beta-discussion

[tiny umbra]

They all happen in the past, thats why theyre ancestor spirits
Stepping on people's graves and poking at their bones, wondering if theyll tell us a different story this time

[foggy marsh]

PFT SORRY DRAGON
i dont think it does- at the beginning of enchantment you see the current state of the arc

[rain delta]

On a side note, is it true that valley’s citadel used to have light purple blue lighting instead of the orange lighting we have now? ;O just saw the trailer on the App Store :O

[oak berry]

purple valley

[slim kayak]

yup, valley was purple pre-launch. im sure there are videos of it on youtube somewhere

[rain delta]

Oof I wish they’d bring that back, it’s gorgeous 😍😍😍

[hazy kraken]

Hey guys can you please remind me how much the items where for days of misfit because I accidentally deleted the beta testing version and a friend is asking

[little hound]

Is it safe to say that the countdown on Live version is correct?

[grave jetty]

Is it safe to say that the countdown on Live version is correct?
@little hound Barring some kind of catastrophe, yes.

[tiny umbra]

Doc, well since the live update is here uh yeah i guess it is correct

[hazy kraken]

Hey guys can you please remind me how much the items where for days of misfit because I accidentally deleted the beta testing version and a friend is asking

[little hound]

Well then

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[grave jetty]

Hey guys can you please remind me how much the items where for days of misfit because I accidentally deleted the beta testing version and a friend is asking
@hazy kraken They're not listed for sale anymore, so we can't check. I think Nastymold's YouTube video on the subject displayed them, but keep in mind this is all subject to change.

[tender oasis]

9.99 for the witch hat and 14.99 for spider cape

[high girder]

An image of prices were just sent in #beta-screenshots-videos

[rain delta]

@tiny umbra yea fair enough, but I still love the blue buildings in valley in the oob region, one day I hope they expand it so we get to see valley in bits of blue again XD

[tiny umbra]

It would sooo cool if they added blues around the edge of the realm

[rain delta]

Yasssss ahhh the snow on the buildings in valley is so beautiful, I’m waiting for a season expansion in valley :’D one day one dayyy

[umbral crow]

Fluffy worm make me little bit scared

[tiny umbra]

We need a vault season before another valley season, but ive always pictured a new season starting at an opening over the canyon(i think i can call it that) in citadel, about as subtle as the sanctuary entrance. Maybe it could lead to a morning/dusk version of the citadel

[rain delta]

Found a video from Tara on it... I’ll dream :’> https://youtu.be/YMUWxAVj9K4

[grave jetty]

We have a release date for Days of Mischief too, according to the patch notes: October 22. So about a week and a half before Halloween, then (probably?) going for a couple days after. Makes sense to me.

[high girder]

Wait if there was a live update does that mean itll be awhile before halloween event is live edit: OH THE ANSWER WAS ABOVE AW JEEZ

[fathom river]

Shookt with the live update

[tiny umbra]

Does that mean the toilet krill is in live ? Currently ?
Since it was there before the official halloween event

[rain delta]

Where are you guys finding these patch notes?

[high girder]

App store on sky

[remote oriole]

Fireboi is still shy right?

[slim kayak]

i wish i could check but i don't have a tgc cape...

[tiny umbra]

endenover, check news lmao

[remote oriole]

WAIT HES HERE? Time to haul cape to the cave of prophecies

[rain delta]

Ohhhh 😂😂 they just updated that when I typed that didn’t they... hahaha

[grave jetty]

Aw man, I was hoping they'd give us Toilet Krill early like they did in Beta. No such luck. 🚽 ☹️

[rain delta]

Annnddddd the update finally rolled out to iOS :D I am sooo excited ahhhhh

[fathom river]

We have time to save up for the witch hat and cape haha

[tiny umbra]

"Removed damage received when hitting walls at high speed" OH IT WAS A FEATURE
....
I'm putting this in feedback loosing light in valley was FUN

[rain delta]

It really was XD it made it more realistic haha I’ll add it in feedback too

[high girder]

So days of mischief start date is final? I did so many commissions in a few days for no reason

[surreal night]

Season update on live so, season start Monday???

[slim kayak]

unless something happens where they need to delay it, then yes, it'll happen on the 22nd

[rain delta]

But wow, it took almost no time to download on live :o in beta it took forever

[serene fern]

oh dam they did rush to release it on the timer no wonder why so many beta updates recently

[surreal night]

Haven't even got anubis mask in beta, but update includes new season so no delays baby

[slim kayak]

the season in beta usually doesn't end when the season starts in live still gotta test

[warm ether]

Where is the cave?

[spark lance]

Isle of dawn, in the clouds near the temple

[sullen oasis]

Live update Le shooked

[surreal night]

Excited it won't be delayed ❤️🥴

[warm ether]

Where in Isle of Dawn?

[remote oriole]

Appreciation post for the devs! Y’all are hecking amazing!!! Hopefully you guys get to rest after the season released

[empty river]

appreciation for all testers too! thank you guys for all the bug reports and feedback (and the art and memes!!!!)

[spark lance]

Omg yes big shoutout to the devs cuz this season it doesn’t seem easy to do

[ripe anvil]

General chat blowin up big time yo lol

[slim kayak]

looks like a strange bug snuck into live who left a gate in isle?

[empty river]

the devs cos its not season time yet

[serene fern]

just me and some strangers crying by the gate

[grave jetty]

The time and constallation barriers CAN be bypassed via the underground lake OOB, but there'a a third barrier: the entrance is simply not there. The tunnel just comes to an abrupt dead-end a little ways in.

[stark sundial]

wait the gate is appearing to everyone?

[slim kayak]

i mean, they aren't supposed to be able to go the the cave so

[empty river]

yea like in sanctuary, the area is not even active yet, no oob can get you into the area

[rain delta]

Hahaha tgc knew people would oob to get in XD it’s still fun though, I tried to see if I could get in with a table ;-; no luck

[grave jetty]

i mean, they aren't supposed to be able to go the the cave so
@slim kayak Yeah, I'm just curious to see what countermeasures TGC put in place.

[stark sundial]

I mean there's kinda like a gate when u spawn in isle after the portal in the back... at least for me

[empty river]

regardless, we're talking about something thats not in beta...in the beta channel 👻

[serene fern]

I wonder how many testers are going to quit when prophecy fully arrive in live... Well we all saw it coming Still hope to see most of you in beta channel tho

[slim kayak]

I've been here for almost a year now, you can't get rid of me that easily

[empty river]

aeras is a beta relic 🦖 sjsjs iM SORRY

[rain delta]

I’ll still be here :) well if I end up making the next beta cycle :’D

[serene fern]

fossil

[rain delta]

I feel like the more I play this game, the better it’s gotten >< I can’t describe itttt, I just love sky so much

[empty river]

Its ok, im from belonging beta my skykids cape is turning to dust

[serene fern]

I want to live in sky ||not beta tho, i might get glitched out of this universe||

[stark sundial]

in beta you live alternate futures so the devs just choose the safest one to the live version

[slim kayak]

Giccix, you're also a fossil

[slim path]

whoa prophecy is coming to live on monday? so excited!

[slow sky]

Earth quest stuck on jumping on moving blocks to go across 😔

[ripe anvil]

gets his measurements ready for fire hakama pants

[rain delta]

I realized that I did the earth trial so many times skipping those rotating blocks became much easier now

[oblique kite]

Hello. So uh I went to check the update for the new season then suddenly I saw that the live version is not compatible on my device anymore :( Im so confused bcoz the beta works fine for me. :( Does it mean I wont be able to play next season on sky? :((

[late mountain]

The season is coming to live

Make sure you all continue to bug test in beta too Great job everyone and a huge thank you to the TGC team!

[copper bison]

@oblique kite there's troubleshooting steps in #android-questions's pins, try those out.

(It's a Google problem, having it rn XD)

[surreal night]

Quick question could you potentially relive all 4 spirits at the same time

Hear me out of 4 people start the relive spirit quests at the same time and you run into their spirit reliving etc could you relive all 4

[oblique kite]

I will. Thanks!!! 😭 I felt so sad when I saw that. I thought I need to leave my sky friends 😭

[rain delta]

That’s what happened for me when I first tried, I ended up landing on two different paths cause two people activated the other two spirits and I activated the water... at the end, my game got confused and I didn’t relive any of them....

[copper bison]

as for me, i didn't even get the update on live and beta is on mandatory update and broken google

[rain delta]

I think it happened cause the middle section (the lecture hall) shares all three spirits... + fire boi

[surreal night]

Then maybe it cancels it out

[valid terrace]

I cannot wait to just

very reluctantly try on the UG mask solely for the purpose of making a joke about myself regarding it

[pure tapir]

Hi! Does anyone know what came with these two last updates? I don’t see a list in the beta updates channel

I did my candles and notice anything changed

[oblique kite]

Are the trials going to be released all at once in live like in beta or is it gonna be like every 2 weeks or smth??

[spark lance]

BETA: I take it the glowing bug is a known issue by now? LIVE: Anybody seen that gate in Isle? The blinking red dot is back

[serene fern]

the pillars in golden wasteland social bonefire from last last update?

[late mountain]

Fire spirit was released along with many bug fixes I belive are the main points.

[oblique kite]

I hope the next season after prophecy is like sanctuary :( i really love the last season.

[analog wren]

Anyone can explain me this part of patch note?

“A rock from Isle of Dawn has gone on vacation to Sanctuary Islands and decided to move there permanently in order to fulfill its lifelong dream of observing jellyfish in their natural habitat”

[dapper ginkgo]

Yeah I was a little confused about that too. There are many rocks—
It could be the rock blocking our way to the cave and opened up the clouds?

[bold wolf]

Just seeing a commonly misspelled word so want to give a tip: spelling lesson of the day! It is spelled "trials," not "trails"! Trial means a challenging event. Trails are the walks or hikes you take in a park or forest. Here's to clearer communication!

(or if you prefer to take a hike through a trial, then you can say trails...)

[dapper ginkgo]

I’ve never noticed anyone spelling it as ‘trails’...
then again English is weird and it could very be spelled that way according to how it’s pronounced. So I understand how they would get it like that. English is such a strange language. Not even we native speakers can speak it right!

[obsidian jacinth]

maybe they're talking about how there was a rock that was covering the entrance to the cave of prophecies but they decided to go on a vacation to the Sanctuary Islands and thats how the entrance to the cave was opened or revealed?

[sullen oasis]

So the season won't be delayed in Live? Le shooked

[dapper ginkgo]

There is usually a two week break in between seasons. So I’m not that surprised.

[bold wolf]

I've noticed "trails" many times now, but I also know the brain has a way of tricking you to think that you saw another word and yes, that's why we native speakers continue to learn!

Also would be funny if the events became "Trail of Water" or "Trail of Fire"...

[serene fern]

I always spelt it wrong until prophecy came and beat me and teach me how to english

[obsidian jacinth]

the fire spirit is my favorite because its CHONKY (he's adorable)

[toxic oasis]

Hey guys. Don’t you think that the img in the portal to prophecy should be changed? Because as it is now it shows the “hill” or “rock formation” of Isle and I think it should show a preview of the entrance of the cave... right? 🤔

[serene fern]

I feel like it is a portal to another mystery dimension so I feel ok with it not having cave preview

[edgy bolt]

invisible friends in sanc bug is in live now

[stark sundial]

it looks like the floor is lava won't be happening in live

[safe ridge]

People are already breaking in to the Cave of Prophecy.

[toxic oasis]

People are already breaking in to the Cave of Prophecy.
@safe ridge Yep but there’s no portal 😅😂

[analog wren]

lol. so many strange answers, never mind...

[oak berry]

cant people just wait 2 days? its shorter than the sanctuary wait good grief

[serene fern]

I miss the rock in isle even tho i never and never will know them

[runic path]

Ohh the hitting damage get cancelled. I can't be out of flame at home

[hollow cloak]

The law of humanity dictates that if you say there is new content and put it behind a barrier, the human must find a way around it

[ripe anvil]

@oak berry How long was the wait between announcement and release for Sanctuary?

[late mountain]

I miss the rock in isle even tho i never and never will know them
@serene fern go visit them in sanctuary if you want to meet them.

[serene fern]

can't see moth flame out in valley now, valley elders can finally close their eyes

[mild quartz]

i want to ask about that at the Trial of Fire when i hold my hand with my friend we will be Invincible
is it a bug ?
(sorry for my bad english)

[terse flame]

I always spelt it wrong until prophecy came and beat me and teach me how to english
@serene fern HEHEHEHEHEH I HAVE AUTO CORRECT

[late mountain]

i want to ask about that at the Trial of Fire when i hold my hand with my friend we will be Invincible
is it a bug ?
(sorry for my bad english)
@mild quartz if the wisps don’t burn you out then yes it’s a bug. If it’s only for just wandering around in the dark that you don’t die then no I think that’s intentional.

[mild quartz]

the wisps will burn me out

[feral wind]

Just went to the Sanctuary holding 3 others, one went to another dimension, the other two was invisible, patch not working

[grave jetty]

Just went to the Sanctuary holding 3 others, one went to another dimension, the other two was invisible, patch not working
@feral wind Havibg similar trouble.

[still cosmos]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber tusk]

wHAT that new system sounds perfect for me!!

[spark lance]

[lilac oak]

We have to pay for TS now? ._.

[outer junco]

fun-

[timber rock]

I thought the whole point of a TS was that you could get cosmetics WITHOUT paying

[woeful harbor]

Mixed feelings intensify

[sturdy temple]

the new system means that people who cant afford adventure passes will never be able to get the cosmetics. its harsh

[sullen relic]

hmm, i'm not really liking that AP lock on the travelling spirit at all myself

[limber tusk]

maybe they should make it so the AP makes it cheaper..?

[spark lance]

Finally

[brittle siren]

I really hate it that we have to pay for the ts now 😔

[foggy marsh]

oh my god
that means that people who cant preorder(like me) cant buy the items in-between seasons
i only get the pass once the season starts...

[half cypress]

Welp, I'll go get the popcorn ready.

[lilac oak]

I counted on TS becuase I'm (along with the rest of my family) dirt poor

[heavy hearth]

Wait what? So you couldn't get some cosmetics without AP on ts?

[zinc prawn]

ooh this is spicy

[sturdy temple]

and i thought the point of travelling spirits were to give people a chance to get the cosmetics if they missed out

[radiant drum]

Remember to read the changes thoroughly, test it in-game, think about it over a day or two so the feedback you submit isn't a gut reaction

And as always, let's try to keep discussion constructive here!

[limber tusk]

i feel like they should make it so AP makes the prices in candles cheaper, so it’s not needed for people who can’t get it remember tho guys, #beta-feedback

[scenic grove]

I'm not sure how to feel about it, so I'll wait until I actually test this feature first before I form an opinion on it.

[wooden canyon]

as someone who also cant afford buying AP, i though ts where great because they didnt require me to pay, but still made me grind.
But i think adding AP requirements could preserve the value of theses items as well, so currently i dont know how to feel about it

[young mulch]

2 weeks is more than enough time to grind imo? one week is grind everyday but 2 weeks i feel like is long enough that the grinding feeling isnt as strong?

[mental otter]

wait okay so traveling spirits' cosmetics require adventure passes now? did i understand the update ping correctly?

[burnt bronze]

the new system would probably save a lot of time though, and old seasonal items did cost money, whereas on TS they're technically free. Money and time :/ theres never a solution. But we'll have to wait to test it out, i guess.

[potent hemlock]

What will we do when the season is over? There will not be APs.

[half cypress]

I believe it is too soon to form a sound opinion on the concept. Mirian has a good point.

[sullen relic]

to be fair, i'm not entirely sure how we can test the new AP-requirement on the travelling spirits in a sense in beta, since all of us in beta have access to free APs for testing purposes -- if the candle prices haven't been adjusted at this point, i'm imagining that it's very much "what you see right now is what you get"

[native sky]

It'd be nice if the pass discounted it. So a regular TS's stuff would be 100 total for example, without the pass. It has 2 splits (the branch going left/right, I'm bad at descriptions) which cost 25 candles each and the rest of the nodes are 50.

With the pass, the branch split would be something like, I don't know, 15 each and the main branch would still be 50.

[inland hornet]

Um is anyone else mad about the updates coming to traveling spirits???? PLEASE correct me if im wrong but- as i understand it you will be forced to buy every single season pass to unlock items from traveling spirits?!?! So most people in sky will not be able to unlock items from traveling spirits ... because most of the people that play sky are children with no money for season passes

[rustic hearth]

Aight let this chat go chaos..

[woeful harbor]

What does it mean by "Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction"

[timber rock]

I think what they could do instead is allowing for a benefit if you buy the AP like a discount or the thing being free instead of screwing everyone over with the new system

[crude turret]

Yes, we would make a lot of misunderstandings now
For example from what I understood having to buy a pass for seasonal items is something but having to buy from ts would force people to buy the pass just for the ts if they don't like the season, and it would certainly cause chaos changing something like that so abruptly

[whole zealot]

i agree with discounts but completely locking it behind the pass is a bit

[limber tusk]

wait no this makes perfect sense, cause the cosmetics that cost old players money will now be more fair, cause they didn’t know TS would be a thing, this makes things so much more fair imho

[hard depot]

everyone needs to keep an open mind about this, they know what they're doing and once it comes out and we test it we can form a stronger opinion on it and give feedback

[humble raft]

sorry i don't understand the update even after reading it multiple times, is it possible if anyone can simplify the explanation? sorry

[foggy marsh]

I think they should discount the price of the AP items and not jsut lock them completely

[spark lance]

I think they should make one item thats cheaper free and make the more expensive one IAP. ex: the lightseekers cape, they can make all the emotes upgrading free and the mask and make the cape IAP but thats just what I think to make it more fair with people who cant afford and people who can

[grave jetty]

If they're goinf to make APs de facto mandatory even between seasons, then they need to make gifting passes possible between seasons too.

[sturdy temple]

for now it is hard to test as beta players have access to the AP at any moment and the TS only come every 2 weeks

[heavy hearth]

I think what they could do instead is allowing for a benefit if you buy the AP like a discount or the thing being free instead of screwing everyone over with the new system
@timber rock

This should be on beta feedback and suggestions. It's a very good suggestion

[spark lance]

Honestly I prefer grinding candles more than to buy seasonal pass. I mean, there is a reason why I didn't get that item in the first place, I couldn't afford a seasonal pass as I don't have a personal financial income. I look forward to ts because I /can/ get it with just a bit of hardwork and no real money spent. :/

[zinc prawn]

discounts sound pretty good, i feel like people who are too young or just unable to purchase any passes will find this update quite devastating

[tiny island]

i dont vibe with the new ts system...

[rustic hearth]

Season of Gratitude, Lightseeker and Belonging will require an Adventure Pass restriction, @woeful harbor. Its like, you can only get the free stuffs from its node. For example the fireboi. You can get its mask but not the pants since pants requires you an adventure pass.

[real mica]

I hope it is not that because I can't buy a pass even if it is sold for 1 dollar

[stark sundial]

I hope they let people give to their friends the extra ap between seasons if not I'll be really disappointed at tgc

[tranquil robin]

hmm dont like this 😕

[oblique rune]

What are we talking about ?

[limber tusk]

guys remember, #beta-feedback ! and this is our job, to let TGC know how we feel, personally i like it

[wooden canyon]

to preserve the value of the ts items, i may suggest that the regular prices increase slightly for those without AP, and those with AP could keep the current price.
Again i have not fully tested the feature so my opinion may change though

[timber rock]

I just think it’s really not fair for players who CANT EVER afford an AP

[sullen relic]

this is just an early guess at this point, but i feel like the proposed AP-locked TS system will have players complaining about the randomized TS draw even more if the arriving spirits aren't ones they like, because it becomes a bit of a blind gamble since it's like "you don't know what you're paying for that will be coming"

[inland hornet]

I just don't understand how TGC can keep pushing purchases on it's players. Not only is it $60* to get the halloween cosmetics, but they didn't even follow through on their promise to send out the pins from the Sky Shop in september.

*USD

[half cypress]

The point was lost in the chaos. Those who survived had long since forgotten.

[scenic grove]

Yep. Discounts would be a lot better. That way everyone has an opportunity to get TS cosmetics, but you have the benefit of getting a discount if you have an AP. Players who can't get it can still grind for cosmetics. Discounts sound a lot better.

[mental otter]

agreed with suki, not all of us has ways to get money to buy passes, so they'll definitely be disappointed once they find out they can't buy cosmetics from traveling spirits

[stone flax]

There is a lot of good feedback here, it should definitely go into #beta-feedback

I know personally i never had problems getting candles for TS because if u grind every day u can get more than enough candles. Its a free game so its either grind or spend money. I dont like being essentially forced to spend money

[amber hornet]

The new TS system scares me.

[tiny island]

what significant portion of the sky community asked for this tho is the question
personally i just find this unfair, a good amount of people arent able to afford and look forward to the ts,..

[limber tusk]

they’re trying their best guys, please don’t be harsh, i think i like this system and it sounds like a good mid way deal

[whole zealot]

peple complain abt grinding but like it's entirely possible to get enough within the span of 2 weeks

[cloud yacht]

dude i cant buy adv. passes bc even if i could afford them, i dont have the medium, i know this is just for testing for now but not really into it

[elder hatch]

i think this is absolutely fair. people who got the AP-locked items when it was the respective AP season had to pay for the AP-locked stuff and non-payers could get the free things. this is just the same thing happening but they are bringing back old seasons

[outer junco]

I don't mind the new ts system, but I cant help but feel bad for those who cant afford or just cant get IAP.

[jaunty cradle]

this is a very interesting potential update to the TS system, I don't grind for TS unless it has something i really really want, so i'm kind of partial to this. i think its interesting in concept

[grave jetty]

they’re trying their best guys, please don’t be harsh, i think i like this system and it sounds like a good mid way deal
@limber tusk I see nothing midway about this.

[wild wing]

my beta is updating rn, and the updates channel is confusing me. is the fire prophet there yet?

[zinc prawn]

personally i dont find a problem with the new system but it probably isnt good news for others so i hope something fairer happens? eh

[timber rock]

While I’ve been privileged enough to have friends that could gift me an AP or commissions for AP, a lot of people wouldn’t be able to afford it. I thought the whole point of the TS was that newer players could be able to get cosmetics fair and square.

The idea of a new implementation to this system is another frustrating paywall

[sly shore]

So if I’m reading it right, hypothetically, for a person to get whatever they want from a spirit of a previous season, they should be in possession of a current or preordered AP. Is this right?

edit to add: Thanks for the reaction confirmation. 😁

[crude turret]

What I don't get is how this would help the grinding part that in my vision, it's the only problem here

[native sky]

The general channel has, from what I've seen, talked about the agonizing process of collecting 100+ candles in 2 weeks on numerous occasions.

Most notably, the confetti spirit being an agonizing grind to complete since it totaled something like 165 candles, I forgot the number.

[inland hornet]

This update officially makes sky a pay to play game imo

[analog wren]

Gonna try again:
Anyone know what they mean with this text in patch note?

“A rock from Isle of Dawn has gone on vacation to Sanctuary Islands and decided to move there permanently in order to fulfill its lifelong dream of observing jellyfish in their natural habitat”

[burnt bronze]

though in talking fairness, you can still enjoy sky without collecting all the cosmetics, which is one reason I really like this game... though I definitely understand the pain of really liking a cosmetic and not being able to get it because of not having the financial means.

[limber tusk]

@grave jetty think about if you didn’t know the cosmetics would be given out again for free, when you spent money on it tho

[rustic hearth]

I hope this new TS system will atleast gets an update tho. I dont like this. Bcoz, the young players who likes to collect cosmetics will suffer to that pre-order stuffs. (Tho I always give them a giftpass when season starts)

[spark lance]

Not getting the ultimate gift alone was already a BIG OOF for me, I've always wanted a Mr. Hoot hair. But now I couldn't even get a pair of pants with bits of hardwork? Beside, as far as I know, if we get other person to preorder the pack pass for us, they couldn't give it to us until the season start. Then how are we going to be able to get the item?

[whole zealot]

This update officially makes sky a pay to play game imo
@inland hornet not necessarily- you can complete endgame, it's just our cosmetics LOL (but dont get me wrong i want them too)

[tranquil robin]

if i couldnt get the adventure pass then how could i still get it now 😕 im only 15 i cant just go Buy it like ...
cant work, only get $ on my birthday : (
(if this goes to Live)

[lusty light]

You can’t say the update made the game pay to play because this is only in beta and you do not need these items

[sullen relic]

@crude turret presumably, it'd help the grinding part by making the AP-locked sections of the TS "free to claim" once you've unlocked the main nodes -- at least, that's my guess (i.e. the pass-locked sections of the tree shouldn't cost additional candles, if i'm guessing correctly)

[heavy hearth]

Slowmode will get higher 👀

[woeful harbor]

My completionist heart is hurting

[grave jetty]

You can’t say the update made the game pay to play because this is only in beta and you do not need these items
@lusty light It's coming to live if nothing is done. That's the point of resisting it in Beta: to prevent that from happening.

[timber rock]

I know TGC is just testing out the system now but I really hope that because of everyone’s protesting they’ll reconsider all of this

[amber hornet]

You "do need" if you want a outfit or a cosmetic that you missed in a season.

[molten turret]

i think that there should be an option to still buy with candles OR redeem with AP, so if you can't buy you can still grind but if you have AP you can just redeem and move on

[crude turret]

That's a good idea

[native sky]

A discount.

[tiny island]

i really hope they change their mind on this, this just seems to take away from the original intent of ts in the first place

[limber tusk]

@amber hornet that’s a want, not a need 👀

[lusty light]

The point of beta is testing. There’s things that have been beta only for almost a year now

[forest flower]

^ that, i dont think i'll play all too much sky anymore if the ts stuff was locked behind le money :')

[whole zealot]

that's a great midway thing and it also keeps people actually playing as well a lot

[lusty light]

Send in your feedback

[woeful harbor]

We don't "need" a single cosmetic in this game, especially when you immediately follow up with you "want" the cosmetic

[lusty light]

But don’t act like the game is ruined already when nothing has happened

[timber rock]

It should be more equitable to everyone and that kind of thinking and consideration starts HERE, in beta.

[grave jetty]

@grave jetty think about if you didn’t know the cosmetics would be given out again for free, when you spent money on it tho
@limber tusk So what?

[radiant drum]

The point of beta is for TGC to gather feedback from all the beta community on changes that could possibly make it into live or not. Beta is here as a possibility they would like to learn more about what the players think about this change, instead of just implementing it as they could easily do

[slender moth]

maybe instead of straight up REQUIRING to pay money for the items, they could be heavily discounted for AP owners. this just screws over FTP players even more

[foggy marsh]

i hope they reconsider- they never reconsidered the prices of the days of mischief items despite everyone's protests
the days arent in live yet i know but it seems unlikely to change

[zinc prawn]

the prices of an IAP is a different story compared to this topic

[limber tusk]

@grave jetty it’s unfair to past players that spent money, then new players don’t need to spend anything

[whole zealot]

i think generally what people want here is discount rather than paywall. and i agree also who said they didnt spend anything it's a lot of time that goes into CR

[lusty light]

Days of mischief won’t go live until the 22nd we have no idea what the prices will be

[forest flower]

its too bad that most of the things to look forward to (to me at least) were the new cosmetics and emotes,,, and if theyre locked behind money. sighh

[sullen relic]

definitely keep this in mind for when the next travelling spirit arrives in beta so we can send in some more informed feedback, although i feel as if we already have an idea of what it'd feel like since we can see some pass-locked items on the current TS

[grave jetty]

@grave jetty it’s unfair to past players that spent money, then new players don’t need to spend anything
@limber tusk It is not. You got your early access.

[radiant drum]

Just keep in mind that feedback is private for a reason, and the loudest voices you hear might not be everyone or the majority- and even if it is, TGC is the developer of the game and will ultimately make decisions they think it's right for the game. Submit your honest feedback considering your views and how it affects you after testing and thinking about a big change like this one

[limber tusk]

@grave jetty ?

[zinc prawn]

Yall send in those feedbacks , discussing them here isnt enough for a change, go go

[past abyss]

it’s unfair to past players that spent money, then new players don’t need to spend anything
@limber tusk
Well, they'd still have to put in effort and time to grind for candles, and that's no easy feat.

[hearty island]

so what about the ultimate gifts?

[whole zealot]

umm i dont think anything is happening to ult

[grave jetty]

@grave jetty ?
@limber tusk You knew how the TS system worked. You paid anyway. For what? For earlier access to these items, and for the ultimate gifta.

[woeful harbor]

Would this not potentially cause issues with traveling spirits that arrive before pre-order is available

[lusty light]

Please keep in mind that not everyone grinds for traveling spirits! A lot of people do spend a lot of money to get the candles for the spirits

[sullen relic]

they haven't announced anything about ultimate gifts just yet, lemm, so we shouldn't get confused about those yet

[timber rock]

my brain just wants to say “will anyone please think of players who can’t spend on anything” lol

[forest flower]

i agree grinding for candles takes quite a bit of time for me at least

[native sky]

Make the ultimate gifts (if they ever do that) require the pass but the rest of the stuff is discounted if a pass is owned. Otherwise, grind them candles.

[foggy marsh]

i think that if they ever make ultimate gifts purchasable then those should require adventure pass but not regular items...

[whole zealot]

either way if you spend money on buying candles or grind for the candles you can be screwed over by this potential thing

[grave jetty]

Please keep in mind that not everyone grinds for traveling spirits! A lot of people do spend a lot of money to get the candles for the spirits
@lusty light Exactly. So people still pay for what they want. No need to lock them into a de facto subscription

[limber tusk]

honestly grinding makes me burnt out.. i’m so happy this is in place, i need to juggle school, sleep, home life etc. grinding affects a lot of people’s mental health, so i really like this

[grand swift]

Did they made the difficulty of the fire trial less harder?, cuz last time i played 3 updates ago it's impossible

[lusty light]

Yeah, send in your feedback on it in #beta-feedback so the devs can see how you feel

[forest flower]

by the way,,, the suggested age to play is 9,, and they cant really, pay for this stuff unless yknow parents willing to spend

[timber rock]

ik that it’s very hard to balance out the wants and requests of all players but if this change was implemented in live imho it screws over a lot of FTP players

[sullen relic]

herozz, they adjusted the fire trial's difficulty to make it easier for solo players at some point -- i can't say which update it was since we got quite a few back-to-back over the last few days

[pine remnant]

Time = Money
the amount of time i’ve spent personally grinding for TSes is worth like 20 APs by now, although i don’t mind this new system. sometimes i’m made upset by older players who don’t like that others are getting a chance at cosmetics when we’re arguably putting in more effort

[summer pumice]

I feel like if this change were to be implemented, players who purchase the group season pass should be able to gift the passes during off-season. That way, it doesn’t leave those who’re expecting a pass for the season left out.

[scenic grove]

honestly grinding makes me burnt out.. i’m so happy this is in place, i need to juggle school, sleep, home life etc. grinding affects a lot of people’s mental health, so i really like this

I also like it, but I think players who can't purchase a AP can still grind for TS cosmetics.

[wind roost]

I agree with the idea of bringing back ultimate gifts. It really wasn't that fair for people who couldn't join earlier but knew about the game, like Android players. Using an AP to receive them seem like an okay idea. However I don't want anyone feeling left out because they don't have an AP

[native sky]

I only want the ultimate gifts for the umbrella (android gang)

[timber rock]

it’s a matter of making it equitable for everybody involved because not every player is PTP and also there are people willing to fork over the money to pay for an AP. but this kind of decision just assumes everybody has the means and permission to pay for one

[orchid nexus]

Remember to speak for yourself, not what you imagine "everyone" to be. For my part, I think having free players makes the game vibrant and diverse. Giving free players incentive to stay in the game long term has always felt like a good thing to me.

[grave jetty]

honestly grinding makes me burnt out.. i’m so happy this is in place, i need to juggle school, sleep, home life etc. grinding affects a lot of people’s mental health, so i really like this
@limber tusk I understand only too well about grinding affecting people's mental health. That's why you took the paid option. Nothing wrong with that. The problem is demanding everyone else do the same.

[woeful harbor]

Paying for AP in hopes to get a cosmetic you want from a ts in an entirely randomized system would probably leave a lot of people disappointed, although granted they do get to 100% the current season for the AP they bought

[past abyss]

For the new TS system, will owning a pass give you access and the cosmetics or do you still need (either same or lower) amount of candles to get cosmetics? Because the latter would absolutely kill me.

[grave jetty]

Paying for AP in hopes to get a cosmetic you want from a ts in an entirely randomized system would probably leave a lot of people disappointed, although granted they do get to 100% the current season for the AP they bought
@woeful harbor You know what, you just put that in a really good perapective here: it means people are paying for a chance at what they want. There's a word for that: this is gacha.

[rustic hearth]

If this goes live. Then, I hope they would allow is to give a giftpass to friends while we're on off-season. (Already sent this to feedback, just want some opinion to others)

[serene fern]

there is my ghost ping 💦

[tiny island]

this is the most and longest duration i've seen "several people are typing" in the feedback channel lol

[amber hornet]

Reminder that it's just Beta, and it might change.

[elder hatch]

i feel like the new system is logically the fairest solution to both payers and non-payers. the only reason there is an outrage is because of TGC's benevolence in implementing the candle-paying system before this for free players. that being said it would suck for non-payers

[stone flax]

I agree with the idea of bringing back ultimate gifts. It really wasn't that fair for people who couldn't join earlier but knew about the game, like Android players. Using an AP to receive them seem like an okay idea. However I don't want anyone feeling left out because they don't have an AP

Agreed. Though i feel AP isnt entirely necessary. Suggestions have been floating around about the ult gifts requiring you to complete all the TS of that season before having to purchase the ult gift for money.

Regarding the new system though, I fear a lot of free players will feel shut out from the rest of the players that can purchase AP.
i know me and my friends dont mind grinding 2h a day for candles even if its tiring and boring. It seems a little unrefined to me. If you require an AP, season pass gifting should be available in off season.

[orchid nexus]

That's a good point mentaroon, and something I don't like much: paying for something that is TBD turns it into a gamble, and I personally don't like gambling.

[forest flower]

gatchas can also be free to pay as well, like cookie run and etc

[woeful harbor]

The big thing about this system is that if a person pays for the AP only wanting to get TS cosmetics out of it, then it's essentially the same as a lootbox system which a lot of regions take issue with

[oblique rune]

I feel like this subject of change is both sided for me. In a way I can see why they would do this because it's fair to players who bought the AP, BUT, they had full access to every cosmetic in that season, so what would be the use of trying to get the items they already have on a ts?

[sullen relic]

hmm, quick heads up: the current TS might not be the best one for judging how the AP-locked TS system would feel, because you apparently still need to pay candles and hearts for the "AP-locked" items on the current one (same prices as in the live version) -- might need to wait for the next one to see and compare if the prices on the AP-locked items are lower or free, since current TS likely hasn't implemented what the beta patch notes are talking about

[half cypress]

Please keep in mind that not everyone grinds for traveling spirits! A lot of people do spend a lot of money to get the candles for the spirits
@lusty light I know a few people who do, and seeing this new concept makes me feel hopeful (potentially) for them!

The fact of the matter is that TGC is trying to find a way to fix an ongoing issue with the "grind." Anyone making assumptions and "jumping the gun" on the idea must keep this in mind. Please stay positive, fellow sky kids.

[whole zealot]

The big thing about this system is that if a person pays for the AP only wanting to get TS cosmetics out of it, then it's essentially the same as a lootbox system which a lot of regions take issue with
@woeful harbor I don't think it's essentially the same but it is very iffy to be honest

[lunar crown]

Wait, so now even TS isn't free anymore?

[timber rock]

It’s basically a lootbox but with a lot more fanciful decoration around it.

[lusty light]

This is just testing

[amber hornet]

@lunar crown, it's a test for a new TS system, it might change.

[lusty light]

Who knows if this will go live

[orchid nexus]

it's not quite a lootbox tho: it's more like adding a lootbox to the Adventure Pass. I wouldn't ignore the current season and only hope for the right lootbox

[frozen onyx]

i think it would be nice if there was the option to either buy the AP-required items with candles or with money, yknow, at least people can choose

[lusty light]

Everyone please remember beta is strictly testing it is not early access not everything that is beta tested goes live

[woeful harbor]

That's true, I made that realization after saying it and got lazy and didn't want to edit

[lunar crown]

Ok but in beta, we now need AP for TS items??

[sullen relic]

i see your point alexdolly, though i think a valid counterstance is that it still feels like a lootbox for anyone who feels pressured into buying an AP for one TS that they like if the current season isn't to their liking

[past abyss]

Well we all technically have the pass already. Shouldn't be a problem in beta.

[amber hornet]

@lunar crown, it's just a test, we don't know if it's going live.

[lusty light]

For the ones that originally required a pass @lunar crown, send your feedback in #beta-feedback

[spark lance]

Bad idea, Mrs. TGC. The Sky community will not accept this idea in traveling spirits.

[whole zealot]

But consider that they're testing For Live.

[timber rock]

tbh my worries about this going live are not assuaged

[grave jetty]

Everyone please remember beta is strictly testing it is not early access not everything that is beta tested goes live
@lusty light Yes. That's why we're giving feedback now: instantaneous, overwhelmingly negative feedback.

[molten turret]

not all the feedback is negative, this vocal group is

[lusty light]

The devs aren’t going to read the debates happening here, put your feedback in the proper channels

[oblique rune]

Hence to why we are trying to change things to make it better for live !

[lunar crown]

I don't think you guys are understanding my question. I know this is a test, because beta is literally for testing. I just don't understand what Ktjn said about using AP for TS cosmetics.

[summer pumice]

We’ll have to see how this pans out in beta before we all jump to conclusions too

[spark lance]

so if we pre order the pass we can get lvl2 and 4 from ts for free? or still cost heart

[timber rock]

I’m just saying for a game that emphasizes customization theyre kinda screwing over everyone’s customization abilities loool

[orchid nexus]

@spark lance If you don't accept it, that's your choice. Send detailed personal feedback to the feedback channel, and be sure to talk about your own reasons, not "The Sky Community" because we all have our own voices.

[whole zealot]

I've put my own feedback already so I'm just watching it lol. But in Beta everyone is given the pass so ??

[stone flax]

I feel this all just feels awful for free players because they're used to getting cosmetics that required AP for free. I feel it would be much better if non payers could still get it but for ppl who hold an AP its just simply free or heavily discounted but

[forest flower]

maybe there could be a compromise for both that works for both types of players like, why not both that still gives the choice whether to pay or not

[lusty light]

I only said that because even though we have it plastered everywhere that beta isn’t early access many people still assume that things in beta will go live guaranteed

Even though there are a lot of things that have been scrapped in beta.

[potent hemlock]

@lunar crown they are (maybe) going to make it so that certain TS cosmetics will require an AP from the current season to be able to purchase them.

[sullen relic]

@lunar crown i think you can see bits of how it's going to function on the current TS: notice that some of the items on the side branches have an AP icon, which seems to imply that at least some of the side branching items on a TS is going to require an AP to access now (whether or not they'll be free to claim if you have an AP, we might need to wait until next week to confirm since the current one might not have the system fully implemented properly)

[whole zealot]

The compromise I really liked was the discount one tbh. I thought it was a nice midway point for me, as an F2P player, as well as P2P.

[half cypress]

I don't think you guys are understanding my question. I know this is a test, because beta is literally for testing. I just don't understand what Ktjn said about using AP for TS cosmetics.
@lunar crown Basically, the adventure pass items of the previous seasonal spirits will only be available to players who have an adventure pass. The free items from the previous seasonal spirits will not require it.

[timber rock]

Being equitable to all parties is probably the best way TGC can go forward but that’s just my opinion and idk if the fandom agrees lol

[grave jetty]

I only said that because even though we have it plastered everywhere that beta isn’t early access many people still assume that things in beta will go live guaranteed
@lusty light And why wouldn't they? It makes very little sense to put something in Beta that is not intended to go live at some point, in some form.

[lunar crown]

I see, thank you guys

[rain delta]

Uh,mm what is this thing about AP for ts cosmetics 😱😱😱I thought that was a bug in beta, I don’t see it in live

[lusty light]

It’s testing, beta is strictly for testing, yes you put things in there to see if it will go live or not but that doesn’t mean it WILL

[gaunt wedge]

@grave jetty because it's a lot of testing! they'll want to get community feedback before implementing something in the live version of the game

[frozen onyx]

beta updated just now lol

[woeful harbor]

It's not often I see "Several people are typing..." in #beta-feedback

[lusty light]

there are so many things that have gotten scrapped over the 2 years of beta testing sky

[oblique rune]

Because most things shown in beta are just ideas! Which is why we as the beta players need to give feedback so they know what the community like and don't like, that way they don't put it in live or do.

[sullen relic]

it's not in live yet, edenover -- they're announcing their intention to beta test this system to see how it goes

[tiny umbra]

I hope it’s just the emotes behind the pass, hearts are harder to grind for than candles and the reason for the ts is to get old cosmetics, putting cosmetics behind a paywall would discourage people from even trying if in case the one they want is AP locked

[rustic hearth]

Bad idea, Mrs. TGC. The Sky community will not accept this idea in traveling spirits.
@spark lance dont include the entirety of Sky community to your opinion. Some may want this, and some dont. But never ever, include the word "The Sky Community".

[orchid nexus]

And not everything that goes live, stays live. TGC have heard a huge volume of feedback on the current TS system, so before refusing to consider the proposed system, consider the personal and valid reasons that are driving them to try new designs.

[whole zealot]

~~I love the emotes though 🥺 ~~

[rain delta]

Rip rip rip bad idea really bad idea ughhh noooo... was this really officially confirmed... hang on let me check the notes

[lusty light]

Just a few months ago you were able to access all seasonal spirits in orbit and it got removed days later

[grave jetty]

@grave jetty because it's a lot of testing! they'll want to get community feedback before implementing something in the live version of the game
@gaunt wedge And they are getting it.

[lusty light]

Beta is just a mess of testing and bugs

[frozen onyx]

theyre going to test it, but that doesnt always mean itll go live

[vapid briar]

The goal of putting this in beta right now is to get it to you all very, very early in the process so that the team can incorporate feedback sooner. There are no plans to bring this to Live at this time.

[gaunt wedge]

@gaunt wedge And they are getting it.
@grave jetty yes, that's the whole point though? ;;
even if the majority of the beta players don't like it, it's not like TGC can change it in a few minutes.

[half cypress]

@lusty light And why wouldn't they? It makes very little sense to put something in Beta that is not intended to go live at some point, in some form.
@grave jetty The key take away is the "in some form" part. Almost all beta builds of games have features that do not become implemented. We can think of it as a sort of playground to test things out before determining whether or not it would work well.

[runic path]

I might like this kind of ts system. Once it lower the everyday grinds. I can accept it.even ts comes randomly.

[orchid nexus]

Another important note about testing: gut reactions to text in discord are not quite the same as trying it out in the game

[spark lance]

I wanted to understand the reason for so many attacks that I suffer every time I use this channel to express my opinion. It's very frustrating, this is persecution 😔

[rain delta]

Ktjin, if this can be used for example, to allow people who don’t have the pass, to alternatively get it with regular candles, then I’m good

[honest folio]

I'm a bit confused on the new TS system being tested: are you able to buy items that were AP exclusive ONLY if you have the current AP? Does it still cost candles for AP owners?

[lusty light]

Put that in #beta-feedback !

[sullen relic]

ktjn, is the current travelling spirit that's here not considered as part of the newly proposed system? just so we know whether we can consider it as something to base our feedback on

read the update note more clearly, apparently it is

[orchid nexus]

@spark lance These have not been attacks, but requests for you to speak your opinion as only yours not as THE opinion of the community.

[wind roost]

I'm sure they weren't attacking you. It was just the "Sky Community" part. We respect your opinion but I don't think it was correct to say it as if everyone disagreed with the update. Don't worry though.

[lusty light]

Like please please please use the feedback channels so the devs can actually read what you guys are thinking

[heavy hearth]

@spark lance sometimes, you need discretion on sharing your opinion:)

[lunar crown]

@honest folio I think it's AP exclusive, but it might also cost candles for AP owners

[zenith wasp]

Oh such a good idea to implement the current AP in the TS system! Props to TGC

[grave jetty]

Another important note about testing: gut reactions to text in discord are not quite the same as trying it out in the game
@orchid nexus Who here has never played a gacha game before? We've done all the "trying out" of this concept that we need.

[lusty light]

Huh? Sky isn’t a gacha game...

[orchid nexus]

"we" have not "all" had the same experiences

[rain delta]

@lusty light I’m trying to discuss here first about it, what do you guys think? To have the pass be an option to get those items, but also ensure that the alternative of using candles works as well, in case you don’t have the pass!

[wind roost]

Sky isn't a Gacha game at all. The TS is randomized but that isn't what a gacha game is.

[grave jetty]

Huh? Sky isn’t a gacha game...
@lusty light It is when people have to pay for a chance at getting randomly-chosen cosmetics.

[spark lance]

i havent been on my phone for days

[prisma swallow]

Is it worth reporting that rocket and spiral both work in the trials (except fire) and defeat their purpose altogether?

[lusty light]

That’s not what a gacha is at all

[sullen relic]

freel free to report that as feedback, nyx -- i don't think they'd be considered bugs, in the sense that rocket/spiral are maneuvers off of the friendship tree, and the friendship tree itself is allowed by design in the trials right now?

[wind roost]

Who knows if they can just get it while the TS is up? Sure it may be randomly chosen cosmetics, but it's up to the person if they want to spend. That isn't gacha.

[oblique rune]

The way I see it is that yes, it sucks not being able to get the pass, many opinions on here are based upon that and I can agree. At the same time, as someone who has had a pass before , I can see why people might like this. Everyone has different opinions especially based on experiences.

[late mountain]

Ooh okay, interested to see how this new idea will go with the season pass for ts. I hope this means they might be considering what to do with ultimate gifts too but one step at a time

[grave jetty]

That’s not what a gacha is at all
@lusty light That's literally what a gacha is.

[zenith wasp]

Cosmetics that were originally released behind a paywall...

[honest folio]

I like the idea of easing the grind for AP owners, but I also don't mind going through the grind of farming candles if I don't want or can't get the current AP, if I still want all the TS's items

[spark lance]

oo i play a lot of gacha games and i can guarantee sky is so far from a gacha game
(honkai impact 3rd intensifies)

[orchid nexus]

Some types of games work well in one package and poorly in another. Even if you think you have a good analogy for the proposed new system, consider that it might be worth trying, and then giving feedback on it. TGC has proven to me to be a group of thoughtful people who care about the welfare of their players.

[grave jetty]

oo i play a lot of gacha games and i can guarantee sky is so far from a gacha game
@spark lance It is now. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent that from changing.

[prisma swallow]

Winged moderator

[lusty light]

A gacha is when you pay currency to get a random item at a low chance, not only can you see what item you’re paying for you have 100% guarantee to get the item when you buy it

[spark lance]

@spark lance It is now. The whole point of this exercise is to prevent that from changing.
@grave jetty have you even played a gacha game before?

[forest flower]

hey,, if the cosmetics and emotes were behind a paywall wouldnt candle runs kinda have less of a purpose, obviously there is still the original constellations but those dont cost nearly as much as the ts

[rain delta]

Hmmmm okay let me go and get the spirit and see what this really means... I’m still confused what behind the belonging AP pass lock even means

[wind roost]

Sky isn't going to become a Gacha game. You're not going to have a small percentage to obtain the item with the AP, it's guaranteed. Like Seraph said, you also can see the item. You're using the term "gacha" wrong.

[fathom river]

Oooh. New ts system.

[grave jetty]

@grave jetty have you even played a gacha game before?
@spark lance Of course I have. Who hasn't?

[sullen oasis]

I don't get the beta update I am too stupid to understand about the TS can someone briefly explain?

[honest folio]

My friend is a HUGE WHALE of gatcha games. According to him, Sky is VERY generous.

[orchid nexus]

@forest flower Maybe... that's one of the design factors: how much to reduce "grind" and does that affect core mechanics and enjoyable parts of the community

[tiny umbra]

Slight rant even though I just read ktjn’s message:
The whole purpose of the traveling spirits was seen as a way to provide a free system to get old seasonal stuff so if you’re real broke you can still get stuff from the spirits or if you missed out you can also get stuff, I understand the intention behind the idea cause I’m currently really burned out from ts grinding in live and I’d like some easing up on that, but I’m starting to see favoritism to people with the money, the ultimates and the occasional iaps aren’t completely essential items or pay to plays so it’s fine if they cost money, but there are items in the ts that are essential to some players, namely instruments and the like , some of us can’t afford the AP, some of us can’t afford even afford on e cent cause we’re young and don’t have that freedom. This is still a kids game, I know the whole thing was just announced and i promise I’m holding off on my opinion until it gets tested for real but man am I worried

[hasty topaz]

Please allowed giving AP before season start with the new TS change.😫 😫 😫

[wanton canopy]

Hmmm not sure if I like the seasonal thing, it is making it more and more hard to get cool/seasonal cosmetics without having to pay money. I think grinding is better, it offers an option to those who can't buy an adventure pass for past or current seasons

[spark lance]

that'll definitely take out the grind and the money in your wallet ❤️

[late mountain]

is confused about all the gacha talk. Uh, if I understand correctly people are saying it’s similar, but like, shouldn’t we just be providing feedback on what they have proposed or talking about it in a sky related context? I’ve no clue what a gacha is but I understand what sky is considering for testing entirely.

Or am I just confused and this all makes complete sense?

[lunar crown]

I completely agree with you, @tiny umbra. But you might want to report this in #beta-feedback. Anyone else who has feedback should also go to this channel instead.

[oblique rune]

To be honest, now that I think about it, if they do this, it could give a lot of people time to work on constellations and less on getting past season cosmetics. I haven't finished any constellations yet cause I'm always saving up for TS. I feel like this could help quite a lot of people.

[bold dome]

or..an option to buy it for candles and one for the ap..so both sides get it

[eager fulcrum]

i’m confused, this new system will require some items in ts to have the current adventure pass???? if this is true.. this is heartbreaking. i hope it doesn’t go to live because one of the main reasons i like travelling spirits is the opportunity to get items we missed out on. i cannot afford adventure passes

[spark lance]

maybe keep the best of two worlds and have AP owners have reductions in the cosmetics prices?

[vast tendon]

Instead of grinding candles for the TS we gotta grind at our irl jobs too smh

[forest flower]

thats true as well,, this is tough to balance

[simple coyote]

Anyways. As KTJN said, this is in beta for testing and feedback gathering. It has NO plans of going to Live, so chile.

[wind roost]

This is beta. They're not going to officially implement it without seeing other peoples' opinions.

[sullen oasis]

Wait can someone explain the new TS system please? I don't get it

[hexed flame]

ohh ok

[grave jetty]

A gacha is when you pay currency to get a random item at a low chance, not only can you see what item you’re paying for you have 100% guarantee to get the item when you buy it
@lusty light That's only true if the whole schedule of traveling spirits is laid out and announced well in advance. Is that something TGC is willing to do?

[wanton canopy]

The seasonal passes are already getting more expensive since the beginning so just adding another factor of having to pay is a bit sad, I didn't like the ts as an older player but now I see why they were needed. And now the purpose is being skued, maybe I'm just being dramatic

[orchid nexus]

@tiny umbra keep an eye on those feelings while testing. I personally don't have quite enough info to know how it would affect my ability to play or pay. I do think the large number of free players is really important to keep in the game, but I don't know how these changes would affect new player retention...

[fervent patrol]

Yeah, I don’t get it. Is the AP thing about TS a bug...?

[tribal grove]

Yea I don’t think this update is good

[young quest]

[upper wraith]

so basically, ppl miss a season and get the travelling spirit. they missed that season, so they didnt paid anything, but now they can buy with candles. thats the whole purpose of a ts
now we.... get to pay? like really

[rain delta]

I feel like if they make the items AP pass Locke, then I would want the TS spirits to come once every week then

[safe ridge]

So that is why the TS in beta has the Prophecy Logo.

[steel vale]

maybe we could buy the ult gifts but i dont think it is wise to make teh whole ts pricey

[whole zealot]

grinding is what keeps a lot of people in sky. And making friends of course but grinding too.

[orchid nexus]

@grave jetty I think you've made yourself clear. But I also think you're ignoring the core value of the adventure pass in favor of making the gacha analogy.

[sullen oasis]

I am confusion

[fervent patrol]

Huh? Some TS items are... AP REQUIRED?! I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BUG?!?!

[small swift]

Hmm idk, I'll have to see how this plays out before I can say anything. Right now, I'm not sure how to feel about this...

[tranquil robin]

as someone who only really plays to do candle runs for the next Traveling Spirit and Eden i'd really not like to see this in live .. kinda throws out the motivation to play 😕 😬

[grave jetty]

so basically, ppl miss a season and get the travelling spirit. they missed that season, so they didnt paid anything, but now they can buy with candles. thats the whole purpose of a ts
now we.... get to pay? like really
@upper wraith They're pretty much replacing "fast and paid, or slow and free" with "fast and paid, or slow and paid".

[wind roost]

It's an idea... Like everyone said: it's not going to come to live until TGC sees feedback. Try leaving feedback instead of assuming it'll come right to live.

[soft loom]

so basically, ppl miss a season and get the travelling spirit. they missed that season, so they didnt paid anything, but now they can buy with candles. thats the whole purpose of a ts
now we.... get to pay? like really
@upper wraith i understand this pov but also it’s to keep the value of these items. since they were AP items to begin with

[past abyss]

I think it's probably going to end up looking like a normal season's spirit cosmetic tree, where the "middle" lane is for everyone while the left branches are for AP holders.

[novel aspen]

This doesn’t pass the vibe check

[random edge]

Just a note Windy and anyone else who thinks this way, this isn’t just a kids game. People of all ages play in both live and beta. Im in a group with ages from 18-70. Everyone can enjoy this game.

[verbal nacelle]

However, let’s remember, that people also payed for the seasons before, I mean, idk if anyone would feel scammed if something you paid for is free for someone else, just if they wait a bit more

[near acorn]

What about ppl waiting for gifted AP from their friends in between seasons?

[fervent patrol]

YOU KNOW WHAT?! IMMA GONNA RIOT-

[analog wren]

Huh? Some TS items are... AP REQUIRED?! I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BUG?!?!
@fervent patrol a bug in the TGC team maybe

[spark lance]

I like how the chat went chaos when this Happened

[rain delta]

Here’s my thoughts on it so far: if they are AP paid, then I’d want 1) the traveling spirits at a faster frequency
2) I want there to be an option to use candles for non pass holders

[wanton canopy]

Wasn't part of the purpose of ts to bring back cosmetics from seasons people couldn't afford? Like if I couldn't pay for the pass then why would I want to now, I like the option of being able to not have to pay to get everything in the game, and the payment parts being less work and more of a boost

[woeful harbor]

It's odd that an argument is that kids can't pay while kids also can't really grind for candles 3 hours a day either

[orchid nexus]

Remember all: we're not settling this debate here. It's good to have a range of reactions, so share freely, but respect the fact we don't all have the same feelings to share

[prisma swallow]

I just got an update for the live version and the patch notes say 'new season'. But afaik the new season isn't gonna come out on the 5th right?

[ivory wedge]

WHAT IS HAPPENING EXPLAIN PLEASEN

[forest flower]

its too bad if this system is in place then many kids who play the game wont be able to get these things

[grave jetty]

However, let’s remember, that people also payed for the seasons before, I mean, idk if anyone would feel scammed if something you paid for is free for someone else, just if they wait a bit more
@verbal nacelle The TS system has been well-understood for months. Who cares if some toxics are miffed that there's a slow path that robs then of the ability to flex?

[hearty island]

mm ppl wit aps ddnt rly have to grind, Because all u had to do was do the quests n find the candles.. but for the without a ap u have to take ab 2 hrs of ur time to collect up to that price

[sullen oasis]

Remember all: we're not settling this debate here. It's good to have a range of reactions, so share freely, but respect the fact we don't all have the same feelings to share
While I am here so confuse and being on the neutral side

[zinc prawn]

Instead of protesting it here, you can share your feedback kindly to the #beta-feedback channel, tgc will read every response , you will be heard.

[mental otter]

what alex said. some of us don't like this new system, some of us sees how it can benefit others. overall, we just need to respect each other's opinions and prevent causing heated arguments

[lusty light]

Random does not equal gacha

[radiant drum]

@prisma swallow probably best to take live questions to #questions-and-help, this channel is a bit

[steel vale]

remember this is beta not live

[spark lance]

ranting here wont solve the issue, it is best if everyone post their opinions in beta feedback

I love the smell of chaos in the morning

[humble bolt]

Wait and what about those who can't afford the AP or pre order it?
That was the point of the ts

[wind roost]

Consider the people who spent money on cosmetics. Sure, it may seem like a bad idea to pay but it's NOT in live yet and feedback is much better than flaming the idea constantly.

[lunar crown]

Well, everyone can afford the AP in beta so that's not an issue for now, @humble bolt

[fervent patrol]

I’m definitely not gonna get TS items now. My parents don’t like buying stuff online, and paying for a game is the LAST THING they would do-

[rain delta]

Okay I don’t get this though, even if it is AP locked, why are the items still costing currency? Like level 2 for proving performer is 4 hearts

[verbal nacelle]

@verbal nacelle The TS system has been well-understood for months. Who cares if some toxics are miffed that there's a slow path that robs then of the ability to flex?
@grave jetty I apologize I didn’t mean to be rude or anything,, I was trying to understand the POV from the sky management

[forest flower]

i cant afford it ahah

[proud beacon]

What's the news on TS?
I don't understand the Ping

[honest folio]

Man, I'm trying to think what would be the most ideal TS system that would satisfy new players, old players, f2p players, p2w players, kids, adults, and be profitable for TGC at the same time, and it's hard. It makes sense to go all out and test even controversial changes.

The beauty of Sky is that it's enjoyable for everyone of all ages, but that makes it so much more complicated to identify a "target audience" to adjust the features for

[hallow wind]

I guess I was not the only one confused 😂

[analog wren]

The question is: Who feedback that is hard to grind candles for the TS?

[grizzled vapor]

wait what forcing us to spend $$ on to get TS stuff now okay...then...

[full imp]

so if this does go in live, we’ll need to preorder seasonal pass to get the ts cosmetics? or can we just buy the pass when the season is already occuring? :0

[spark lance]

[safe ridge]

why, I thought the whole point of traveling spirits was to be able to unlock items without having to buy a pass-

[rain delta]

Honestly I’m still confused....

[frank raptor]

Same, my parents would never let me spend any money on games, so if this new system were to be implemented in live I...

[fleet heart]

What’s the news on TS?
I don’t understand the Ping
@proud beacon me neither 😭😭😭

[orchid nexus]

Another way to play beta that has been helpful for some: write down these feelings now but don't share... play the new system with an earnest effort to understand the rationale, but an eye on your own potentially changing feelings... then write down your experiences, being careful to note the changes of opinion, or how changes in the game affect your behavior in the game. This kind of feedback can be very persuasive.

[fervent patrol]

All I did in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived was suggest there was some way for players to preview the TS cosmetics...

[atomic root]

What's the news on TS?
I don't understand the Ping
@proud beacon you have to get an adventure pass in order to buy some things from the TS

[tight bloom]

This new TS system honestly make me want to play less and less. After completing seasonal stuff, the only thing i'm looking forward to is TS. And now that it is locked behind AP, what's the point anymore?

[sullen oasis]

Same> @proud beacon me neither 😭😭😭
@fleet heart

[spark lance]

@proud beacon me neither 😭😭😭
@fleet heart in a nutshell pass for some stuff

[proud beacon]

I read about some TS don't require AP
Someone please explain 😭

[grizzled vapor]

so if this does go in live, we’ll need to preorder seasonal pass to get the ts cosmetics? or can we just buy the pass when the season is already occuring? :0
@full imp it said u need to preorder first otherwise u can't get those

[distant skiff]

There was one purpose of playing the game and it was candle running . I think there will be nothing do do now lol

[steel vale]

its in beta rn so its gonna be free but if you disagree with the new system please kindly voice your feed back in #beta-feedback as alex said

[manic willow]

Uh well in beta the ts needs seasonal pass it’s kinda not a big deal but i couldn’t afford to buy pass on live cuz i’m still a student... i cannot work and make money

[tired spoke]

If we disagree with the ts thing do we also share in #beta-feedback ? Okie thanks XD

[hexed flame]

it's just the ones behind belonging which is what
lightseekers, and gratitude.

[sly current]

I mean.
I get some items were only obtainable to AP buyers.. but this isn’t a good route to go.
I like the idea of “if you have the pass the items are just discounted” and or maybe even “if you have the pass all the items that were free in the pass are free to obtain, otherwise you pay candles”.
Idk. I’m just brainstorming but this.. isn’t a very well executed item. I personally feel.. off about this
I’ll personally be going to feedback to express that feeling.

[zinc prawn]

I already shared this in the feedback channel but I would appreciate if both types of players, non pass and pass holders to have an option to purchase the TS. It was suggested a few times already but giving a discount to the pass holders while keeping the concept the same to non pass holders (via just grinding normal candles) could also work as a new system. Plus some of us cant candle run daily so it is an advantage in a way.

[runic anchor]

Don’t New plan about traveling spirit require candle?

[atomic root]

Uh well in beta the ts needs seasonal pass it’s kinda not a big deal but i couldn’t afford to buy pass on live cuz i’m still a student... i cannot work and make money
@manic willow same here, and the price for a single AP here is a lot

[warped brook]

So are we have to buy a pass for buying the items of TS?

[cosmic ivy]

I feel the TS thing is an issue mostly because of the amulet - because that’s one of the only things people have In proving they were really in that season, which is important to some people

[frosty oak]

is it possible to find the fire spirit in beta now?

[rain delta]

@orchid nexus im confused about something, so if the items are AP locked, will they be free? I don’t see the current ts items behind the AP lock, being free. I still have to pay for them too except now they’re a\AP locked :(

[wind roost]

Man, I'm trying to think what would be the most ideal TS system that would satisfy new players, old players, f2p players, p2w players, kids, adults, and be profitable for TGC at the same time, and it's hard. It makes sense to go all out and test even controversial changes.

The beauty of Sky is that it's enjoyable for everyone of all ages, but that makes it so much more complicated to identify a "target audience" to adjust the features for

Exactly. It's hard because there's two sides of some Sky people: players playing since the earlier seasons that spent money on cosmetics, and newer people who couldn't get the items because of when they joined. If they make one idea, one side's probably going to disagree. Though there are neutral people, there will always be at least some backlash. It's hard because TGC needs an ideal game which is fit for all types of players but it's conflicting due to different opinions and different POVs

[sullen oasis]

So basically you have to have the current AP to get the Past Cosmetics from TS?

[steel vale]

theres no need to be rude they are trying a diffrent system after complaints of the candle grind

[proud beacon]

What are the seasons that doesn't require AP?

[spark lance]

Ah chaos is my favorite type of coffe

[mortal socket]

I think the idea for TS is a great idea. I means I had to have pass to get the stuff.

[tight bloom]

Sorry to say. But I don't buy the "less candles to grind for TS". I feel it's more like "we need more money for AP because ppl just wait for TS"

[fervent patrol]

I don’t care if I’m not a tester. I’m still gonna riot in #beta-feedback-

[hexed flame]

anything after belonging it seems.

[spark lance]

it's just the ones behind belonging which is what
lightseekers, and gratitude.
@hexed flame wait so if this feature gets implemented you only need to buy the pass to get all the ts has to offer if it’s from those seasons?

[lunar crown]

All seasons require AP to access exclusive cosmetics

[humble bolt]

Or what about those who have the pass get the cosmetics free and those who don't pay the normal candles as usual???

[eager fulcrum]

i think the ts system we have now is the best. you can either get the adventure pass to obtain certain items right when they’re available, or you can wait until they appear as traveling spirits, which takes a while. i think that’s fair

[small swift]

How would this work during off seasons???

[verbal nacelle]

Can we also have in mind that the game could be potentially charged for not making them payments?, (again please don’t hate me) the game promised and as you buy the seasonal pass you are told that the season will not repeat, just by putting TS out there it was an opportunity for the game sky to get charged,,,, however, I do also think that other people who missed it should be able to play it

[flint wigeon]

I purchased every season so I don’t need TS. And I can get ultimate gift. And TGC can continue make good things. It’s Win Win strategy. I mean, why not?

[whole helm]

i think we can change the one appear between seasons to be available to purchase with regular candles, because this will be unfair with players who wait for their slot in 3 pass pack.

[orchid nexus]

@rain delta I don't fully understand your question, but I think I also don't have any more information than you right now. 😄 I'm just here to remind everyone to be nice to each other

[stark sundial]

we don't have any word in if they are gonna allow us to gift extra ap to other users during the time between seasons? I mean it would be something basic to do but with tgc I feel now like I need 100% confirmation from a dev

[wind roost]

I don’t care if I’m not a tester. I’m still gonna riot in #beta-feedback-
@fervent patrol Rioting isn't a nice solution. They aren't going to see that as feedback, express why you disagree with the system and express opinions instead of going full out on the feedback channel

[proud beacon]

anything after belonging it seems.
@hexed flame so belonging doesn't need AP?

[remote sky]

How would this work during off seasons???
@small swift it said that it would need the next seasons pass

[wicked epoch]

I will post a feedback for sure, I don’t want to preorder a pass for me and preorder one for my boyfriend to get TS item with the 2 characters when we dont have a season. Why buy a 3-pass pack if my bf can’t get full TS ? I refuse to pay preorder twice

[atomic root]

Or what about those who have the pass get the cosmetics free and those who don't pay the normal candles as usual???
@humble bolt I agree, I don't wanna candle run everyday for nothing

[hexed flame]

Why don't we all re-read what they just said in #beta-announcements if we're all so confused about this.
It doesn't hurt to read twice you know that right.
slow and steady.

[safe ridge]

Someone teach me how I use #beta-feedback

[mental otter]

from what i understand only traveling spirits from gratitude to belonging need APs to buy the cosmetics, any season after that doesn't need them (pls correct me if i'm wrong)

[zinc prawn]

If this concept will carry on, I do hope they allow gifting passes during off seasons- oh boy do some people rely on me to give them passes, would hate to see them not get any TS because of the inability.

[rain delta]

@humble bolt thats my feeling... AP pass holders get items for free everyone else can pay with candles

[novel aspen]

I admit I have been playing Sky less and less, and one of the things keeping me on has been the travelers.. I don’t see myself being able to afford a new pass every few weeks to be honest. So much for travelers, I imagine all the good stuff would be locked away behind AP like pants

[sly current]

The preorder might become a huge issue in how things are timed tho. Last thing anyone here wants is rushed seasons to fit the timeframe of TS because of a pre-order.

[lunar crown]

@safe ridge Just type feedback in there like you would in this channel

[radiant drum]

Send message in #beta-feedback , bot will eat it up and spit it out in the devs' office

[still cosmos]

Si, if i understood well, se nerf adventure passe to be able to Buy cosmétiques un ts,

[verbal nacelle]

Can we also have in mind that the game could be potentially charged for not making them payments?, (again please don’t hate me) the game promised and as you buy the seasonal pass you are told that the season will not repeat, just by putting TS out there it was an opportunity for the game sky to get charged,,,, however, I do also think that other people who missed it should be able to play it

[prisma swallow]

@safe ridge just put a message there with your feedback

[remote sky]

hoo boy this channels gonna be busy for a few days lol

[fervent patrol]

I wasn’t being serious about rioting... I can still understand how this can be a good or bad thing. It’s just that, as someone said here, it’s one of the last things that keeps players in game. Just making it AP? Lots of people would be left out-

[rustic hearth]

I will post a feedback for sure, I don’t want to preorder a pass for me and preorder one for my boyfriend to get TS item with the 2 characters when we dont have a season. Why buy a 3-pass pack if my bf can’t get full TS ? I refuse to pay preorder twice
@wicked epoch i already sent a feedback tht if this goes live. Then atleast allow us to give a giftpass to a friend while we're on the pre-order period.

[steel vale]

might as well give this chat the 5min cooldown

[spark lance]

SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE TYPING

[stark sundial]

but the office is empty due to the pandemic Mirian ||jk jk ||

[spark lance]

Please keep in mind that voicing your opinion in #beta-feedback is subject to the same rules as the rest of the server. Please refrain from being rude or hostile when submitting.

[onyx inlet]

what about items that were obtainable during seasons without needing the pass?? you’d have to pay for a pass to get those when they come back as ts?

[analog wren]

The fault of this is:

People who feedback TGC saying that os hard do grind candles to the TS.

Thats the problem of a poor feedback like this

[grave jetty]

Or what about those who have the pass get the cosmetics free and those who don't pay the normal candles as usual???
@humble bolt Or perhaps offer a discount for AP-holders, if just making it free is going too far. A 30-candle discount for AP holders (since preordered APs give 30 season candles) might work well.

[radiant drum]

As long as people keep it respectful and not spammy, a lively discussion is fine and encouraged. Share your thoughts, be considerate of one another and their views

[manic willow]

Wait but who complaint about the current system, i think it’s good enough...

[spark lance]

The fault of this is:

People who feedback TGC saying that os hard do grind candles to the TS.

Thats the problem of a poor feedback like this
@analog wren tru tho

[hardy nest]

i have a concern to bring up though,,, i think this might be a problem for the 3 AP bundle for preorders. :(
so if what i understand is correct, the person who preorders the pass is the only one able to access the pass-locked items during off-season?
just something i wanna clear up before i post this off to feedback!

[buoyant geyser]

so many people writing in beta feed back hahah

[prisma swallow]

Wait what is this new system of TS?

[dapper ginkgo]

Okay, but I’ll be honest. I feel bad that they have to read a mountain of feedback on this idea. I have never seen the Several people are typing... message in the feedback channel at all. I feel bad they they have so much to read in such little time.
But I’m sure they were expecting this kind of feedback.

[tiny umbra]

Just a note Windy and anyone else who thinks this way, this isn’t just a kids game. People of all ages play in both live and beta. Im in a group with ages from 18-70. Everyone can enjoy this game.
@random edge I i never said that sky was just a kids name thou, I know where you’re coming from but just because adults play sky enough to make up a considerable amount of it’s player base doesn’t mean that the game should favor those with the money(who are mainly adults), worse case scenario but still a scenario it’ll lead to people guessing age or social status based on what cosmetics you have. Again I wasn’t saying that sky is just a kids game, I’m just saying that it’s labeled and still is at its base a kids game

[cinder crypt]

Wait but who complaint about the current system, i think it’s good enough...
@manic willow Exactly, just buy what you want and skip what you dislike

[wind roost]

Like they said repeatedly: it's in beta. It's not in live yet, they're looking for feedback. It's not guaranteed that it will come to live. The purpose is to test out new systems.

[zinc prawn]

Miyano, not everyone will feel the same about this concept. It is controversial

[radiant drum]

I would say a mountain of feedback is exactly what they want lol

[lunar crown]

Yes, please be nice. TGC is trying their best to provide variety. They're testing this out because they've heard complaints about the grind. It's also only in beta, and currently not going to be implemented in live so don't worry about not being able to pay for an AP in live.

[civic nest]

Wait what is this new system of TS?
@prisma swallow basically some ts items are locked under an ad pass

[warped brook]

I think this update is the preparation for ultimate gift to come back

[wide wasp]

Soo...if you again buy AP you can get the ultimate gift too? Deer mask

[radiant drum]

Can you imagine how sad it would be to change something and no one cares? Players are passionate about this game, and they wanna hear what we think

[cobalt hare]

Putting traveling spirit items behind a paywall is bonk. Makes the game much worse for kids who can't get money to spend on mobile games from their parents. The other people here have hit the nail on the head.

[serene goblet]

[prisma swallow]

Ah well didn't TGC say the point of TS was to get premium items without a pass, but for a really expensive candle + heart price?

[spark lance]

One things for sure if this new stuff goes live I won’t have much reason to get on Sky that often

[devout island]

If the TS adventure pass implemented. What happens when TS arrived at season gap? Do we should buy the pre-order or no?

[spark lance]

Everyone Wish the Questgiver come as TS fufu

[orchid nexus]

I would say a mountain of feedback is exactly what they want lol
@radiant drum yeah, but what about ... a 2 minute slowmode so a winder range of opinions can be shared?

[autumn lance]

@prisma swallow basically some ts items are locked under an ad pass
@civic nest
Wouldn't it be easier to just make those items free for pass holders, and keep it the same candle price for non-pass holders?

[analog wren]

Sad? I dont feel this, only feel my money going bye for nothing. Haha

[spark lance]

Wait but who complaint about the current system, i think it’s good enough...
@manic willow I agree, I believe the current system is good enough especially for those who don’t the funds to continue playing like they used to

[stark sundial]

no slowmode ||jk||

[wanton canopy]

If the ultimate gifts come back, I leave the game. I was already kind of upset about ts but I understand why they were implemented. The ultimate gifts feel special and limited, that's what gives them such a meaning at the end of the season.

[cinder crypt]

I think this update is the preparation for ultimate gift to come back
@warped brook actually, that might be a possibility

[swift edge]

My only worry is that they raise the price of the season pass.....

[hexed flame]

But it's more about beating the grind
because you can easily get burnt out running around doing the same thing daily.

[wide wasp]

If it’s not applying for Rhythm cosmetics

[warped brook]

It make me feel a bit of sad

[sullen oasis]

This is chaos, and I love it

[onyx inlet]

the ultimate gifts weren’t even mentioned??

[prisma swallow]

@wanton canopy but you can't just say it's my mistake for being on Android and completely missing 2-3 seasons 😅

[radiant drum]

Might be a good time for a reminder: especially with so many people submitting feedback right now, the bot might choke a little so if you don't get a confirmation your message was sent please send it again! Even if it ends up sending twice

[dusky jolt]

Oh wait :0
Does anyone remind the dev to add a strong wind wall to not enter the cave too early by glicht in? :0

[spark lance]

This is chaos, and I love it
@sullen oasis join us brother so smell the chaos

[tiny umbra]

I know I just put a rant that completly ignored this fact but keep in mind this change is only for belonging traveling spirits

[sullen relic]

would pinning that reminder be a good idea, mirian? especially if it becomes a recurrent issue for the time being

[austere merlin]

Belonging in beta

[warped brook]

What if I have already got all the items of TS

[proud beacon]

Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction, and will be marked with the Season of Prophecy symbol.

Someone explain this to me😭😭

[zinc prawn]

Ultimate gifts are a different topic and it's best not to bring both topics at the same time since they are very touchy

[wanton canopy]

@prisma swallow I totally understand that, ik there wouldn't be a simple solution but perhaps bringing back certain things Android characters didn't get to experience only for Android

[spark lance]

I still think ultimate gifts are a topic that will make people unhappy no matter what. Do remember that TGC is doing their best to please maybe one million+ people at once.

[woeful harbor]

As long as juggle man comes before this change occurs then I am completely fine with any decision that is made

[soft loom]

i see the dilemma because as someone who’s bought passes before, the special items is what makes you buy the passes in the first place. and when they come back, it’s like why did i even buy the pass with real money when i could’ve just farmed? i understand the dilemma

[frank raptor]

the bot in beta feedback looking at the tsunami of incoming messages rn: 👁️ 👄 👁️

[harsh anvil]

But it's more about beating the grind
because you can easily get burnt out running around doing the same thing daily.
what if they raised the value you get from each wax you collect each day?

[halcyon harness]

So TS will now be Adventure Pass locked?

[spark lance]

Does Ultimate Gifts will come soon?

[willow garnet]

as a veteran player i feel kinda sad and left out? i understand tgc is trying to satisfy new players but veteran players pretty much get nothing at all

[wanton canopy]

^^^ 100% same

[spark lance]

Beta chat be like:SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE TYPING

[lunar crown]

It's hard to balance everything for veterans and new players

[spark lance]

Wing buff is the only thing that i care from the ts tho

[prisma swallow]

Veteran players get random moth proposals

[kindred ingot]

best thing about traveling spirits was not needing to have adventure pass, really hope this won’t get into live some of us are broke tgc

[tiny umbra]

I bug my friend for the pass pretty much for the ults or the pendant, a little reminder of an amazing season

[proud beacon]

Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction, and will be marked with the Season of Prophecy symbol.

Someone explain this to me😭

[tribal grove]

The only reason I often buy ap is cos the ultimate gifts r limited and often really cool but if they bring it back i feel a lot less rewarded

[summer sundial]

Can someone explain to me what's happening with the TS? Im major dumb

[orchid nexus]

There are valid reason to consider changes: grind, value for paid players, value of free players to ecosystem, player retention, probably many other factors TGC are considering. So do your part by giving a fair look at the changes, and a thoughtful response after the shock has worn off.

[spark lance]

Imagine Ultimate Gifts available at the Shop

[halcyon harness]

I’m kinda sad that TS’s will now be adventure pass locked.

[wild knot]

Same

[woeful harbor]

free players are very important to the natural environment, without them trees wouldn't grow and we would all suffocate

[grave jetty]

Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction, and will be marked with the Season of Prophecy symbol.

Someone explain this to me😭
@proud beacon If it was AP-locked in its own season, it's now AP-locked to whatever pass is active at the time.

[radiant drum]

Try to go further than "I like this" or "I don't like this" as well. What do you like or dislike about it? Share your personal experiences!

[manic willow]

If i want to buy the pass, i would have to skip lunch for 3 weeks straight

[wanton canopy]

I remember when all I got was a pass for the winter season from when I had bought the winter piano and one of the hair for 20$. I didn't even get candles or a pass for a friend . Not even the spirit completed up to where the piano was. I was and still am very sad about that

[sullen oasis]

#beta-feedback: Several people are typing

[orchid nexus]

@halcyon harness only in beta for now, and only as part of testing. this is not guaranteed to go live in this or any form

[atomic root]

this is gonna be lit

[analog wren]

Imagine Ultimate Gifts available at the Shop
@spark lance for a high price? Worth it!

[zinc prawn]

Lets not talk about ults at the moment? the discussion is going everywhere i cant keep up

[steel vale]

for vets the grinding for the ts is the motivation they need to keep picking up the game i think but lets see how the new ts system i have my doubts about it too but were in beta so we have to test and give constructive polite critism back to tgc

[wide wasp]

If the AP was required for Rhythm season TS too then there would have been more chaos

[spark lance]

Imagine Ultimate Gifts available at the Shop
@spark lance I do think I’ve seen you say this before, while this is an interesting idea there has been no mention of such a thing happening so I’d say not to try and bait anyone who has strong opinions on the ultimate gifts

[safe ridge]

But how will it work when a season is over and the Traveling Spirits come?

[floral bluff]

you have to preorder to get those

[lunar crown]

You'll need to preorder the next season's pass for TS in between seasons

[dusky jolt]

I think is fair to let the Ultimate Gifts in the shop able to be brought if we unlocked all traveling spirits of that season
Like how the old player get the ultimate gifts-

[wild knot]

I dislike it because im broke lol

[spark lance]

But perhaps

[grave jetty]

But how will it work when a season is over and the Traveling Spirits come?
@safe ridge You have to preorder the next AP.

[novel aspen]

From what I see, pretty much the “best” items from the karate spirit are locked. I understand locking some items to encourage purchases and make the benefit of a season pass even bigger, but locking the best items is just a bit much. What if they lock all gratitude masks, all rhythm pants, all the favorite clothes?
Like, I’d get it if it was a hat or something as an added bonus considering how good the season passes are already, but if they would go down the route of locking everything popular then I really don’t know whether I would even bother with travelers anymore, or even candle farming

[woeful harbor]

I'm still curious about the possibility of a ts arriving before the next AP becomes available for preorder

[orchid nexus]

Anyone remember rainbow hearts from beta? no? too bad you didn't get to riot about those back in the olden days

[tribal grove]

Can I ask if something similar has happened before do you think this has a good chance of making it on live?

[zinc prawn]

APs should be giftable during off seasons please

[wanton canopy]

All I gotta say about all this, wack

[heavy hearth]

Has anyone thought about this yet?
Maybe(I hope so)TGC only plans to keep this on beta because beta players rarely grind for candles but everyone on beta has AP.

[fervent patrol]

Rainbow hearts...?

[onyx inlet]

please stop brining up ultimate gifts those conversations never go well

[mental otter]

i'm curious about the rainbow hearts

[steel vale]

rainbow hearts sound dope

[floral bluff]

guys what do you mean by AP restriction in Season of belonging

[radiant drum]

Don't worry we rioted a lot so others wouldn't have to

[prisma swallow]

Can I ask if something similar has happened before do you think this has a good chance of making it on live?
@tribal grove depends on beta feedback

[stray elk]

The new traveling spirit update, I don't like it all at, the ultimate gifts are exclusive, how much money do you want from us TGC

[devout island]

Really sad if this TS-AP get implemented. Not for me, but my friends. Since they are waiting patiently for TS because they can't afford AP

[halcyon harness]

I dislike the fact that even if the chance is slim, the TS might become AP locked. That nearly takes away a majority of their purpose, to allow players who decided not to get the pass during that time to now get those items for free (albeit costing much candles and hearts) Now it’ll just feel like skipping out on buying something just to buy it later

[vale lagoon]

So was trying to do the Fire trial, and man it is so hard now that me and my friend gave up twice. There is this one area after the 2nd door there is a candle area that is just a V and is a circle.

[still cosmos]

Personaly, i don't Want this un live. In beta, adventure passe are Free, but on live...i don't have this money. IT us really sad for those Who only wanted to get IT Free, but after à long ans garder work. IT is sad ans disapointing from TGC

[sullen oasis]

I am confusion the topics are going everywhere

[woeful harbor]

Who would have the audacity to riot over a beautiful rainbow heart

[hollow jay]

So TS behind season of belonging will be AP restricted? Does it mean Rhythm , Enchantment , and Sanctuary?
So TS from the first 3 seasons would still be free without AP restrictions?
(I secretly like this new system because it's more fair.)

[spark lance]

Imagine the extremely floofy pants (loop dance) emote came as a TS in live, and the pants, level 2 and level 4 emotes require prophecy AP

Non-AP players would go nuts 👀

[proud beacon]

Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction, and will be marked with the Season of Prophecy symbol.

(Does this means Belonging And the seasons before or Only the seasons Before Belonging)🤔

[spark lance]

The new traveling spirit update, I don't like it all at, the ultimate gifts are exclusive, how much money do you want from us TGC
@stray elk over $25

[wanton canopy]

We'll talk about ultimate gifts when they decide to bring them back, coz y'know they're gonna

[half ivy]

Whoever started this, to me it's funny when people are too lazy to grind at a game that really needs grinding, I mean, where do they waste their time? Or what are they playing for without the main purpose of daily grind?

[wind roost]

as a veteran player i feel kinda sad and left out? i understand tgc is trying to satisfy new players but veteran players pretty much get nothing at all

I'm sure TGC might give some veteran people some benefits and etc but I'm sure it would cause so much backlash because it's not fair to some people..? I love the idea of ultimate gifts coming back but it wouldn't be very good to veterans. I do think they deserve some stuff since they spent money on some cosmetics. I agree with giving some new people old cosmetics, however.

[radiant drum]

Long story short, it was a new currency idea that didn't quite turn out as expected in testing and was scrapped. Beta things be like that

[kindred ingot]

I really prefer grinding candles every day to get the next ts than having to pay actual money, since I don’t have any

[spark lance]

Pick a side
broke or I KINDDA LIKE IT

[static sundial]

i dont currently have a steady income and cant afford to pay out of my pockets like that just for ts

[floral bluff]

what do you mean by AP restriction in Season of belonging... i'm confused... so you mean that we don't have to have AP to buy season of belonging TS?????????

[orchid nexus]

Rainbow hearts were an "ultimate" form of currency that could not be obtained directly, could only be gotten once daily and then could not be spent, but had to be gifted.

[rigid zodiac]

But .. If the new TS system is added to live, then I don't think it will be good ... It's just that not everyone can buy a season pass...

[swift edge]

I am a pretty new player and i think that ultimate gifts should never come back.
Also I really hope they don't raise the price of the season pass IF this comes to live cause if Sky becomes a complete pay to win game I will need to leave.
But let's keep calm, test and see what happens

[sullen oasis]

Pick a side
broke or I KINDDA LIKE IT
@spark lance I JUST WANT CHAOS (I am joking don't krill me)

[stray elk]

@stray elk over $25
@spark lance I am raging *** SCREAMING NOISES** *

[mental otter]

some people aren't able to grind candles everyday. they have personal lives to tend to, so not all players are able to get cosmetics from traveling spirits since they don't have enough candles

[woeful harbor]

instead of rainbow heart currency can we just have rainbow hearts again because they're pretty

[radiant drum]

I get shivers just remembering those dark days. I see rainbow hearts in my sleep

[wanton canopy]

Me and other vets are the minority, so I feel like we're kinda gonna be pushed back to accommodate for the overwhelming amount of new peps

[proud beacon]

Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction, and will be marked with the Season of Prophecy symbol.

(Does this means Belonging And the seasons before or Only the seasons Before Belonging)🤔
@proud beacon bruh

[spark lance]

Pick a side
broke or I KINDDA LIKE IT
@spark lance please do not try to create sides as we should all be trying to be courteous and thoughtful of TGC’s decisions

[steel vale]

calm down everyone or the mods might slow the server down to 5min

[spark lance]

Did rainbow hearts make it to live?

[gleaming charm]

The TS was a good thing for the free2play users that also played the seasons and don’t or couldn’t bought the AP. When you go with that strategy F2P never get the items and that’s disappointing. That’s why I think it’s a bad thing 💀

[spark lance]

@spark lance please do not try to create sides as we should all be trying to be courteous and thoughtful of TGC’s decisions
@spark lance read my name

[safe ridge]

So they decided to do this for the return of the Rhythm Spirits. Ingenious.

[fathom mauve]

Ya'll I can promise you that I will NEVER spend any money on the adventure pass.

[halcyon harness]

It’s not half bad if you think about it positively though. It’ll make older items much rarer, make people feel a bit special, which adds to the overall happy feel of this game

[oblique osprey]

We have players without economic access to buy a pass, the only way to obtain the desired cosmetics is with traveling spirits😩

[still cosmos]

Personaly, i don't Want this un live. In beta, adventure passe are Free, but on live...i don't have this money. IT us really sad for those Who only wanted to get IT Free, but after à long ans garder work. IT is sad ans disapointing from TGC

[stark sundial]

DavidPaul we don't know I think it's mentioning just the present ts that was from that season

[fervent patrol]

How did rainbow hearts work...?

[wind roost]

Me and other vets are the minority, so I feel like we're kinda gonna be pushed back to accommodate for the overwhelming amount of new peps
@wanton canopy I'm sure vets will be compensated somehow. I agree with ultimate gifts since it wasn't fair especially for Android players who couldn't play until release. However I do agree with vets getting some stuff to make up for it.

[livid oak]

I think it's okay the new modality of travel spirits but I would like them to change something, that you can give the season passes first to your friends because between seasons they can chase things from the travel spirits and in short they will have a season pass only that will be given away

[grave jetty]

some people aren't able to grind candles everyday. they have personal lives to tend to, so not all players are able to get cosmetics from traveling spirits since they don't have enough candles
@mental otter Yes. And this is the kind of thing that paid options are good for. But it is vitally important that they remain options only.

[spark lance]

I wish the Swings comes back. I really need that those

[sullen oasis]

THIS CHAT IS NYOOOOOMINGGGG

[willow garnet]

idk the whole ts thing in general just seems kinda unfair to veteran players

[tiny umbra]

Brb gonna find the ts in beta so I can take a look at this change myself

[spark lance]

Keel your chill guys. We might get to get cool down if you don't calm down

[vale lagoon]

I just wanted to talk about the trials i guess ill come back tomorrow

[proud beacon]

DavidPaul we don't know I think it's mentioning just the present ts that was from that season
@stark sundial it's just I don't understand this sentence, do you mind paraphrasing it?

[mental otter]

mmmm i don't think sides should be picked here. it's important to see all the possibilities of what this system can bring to old and new players alike. some can benefit from it, some can't.

[safe ridge]

Live and beta chat is

[spark lance]

I wish the Swings comes back. I really need that those
@spark lance those were from the Valentine’s Day event so it could be a possibility they will return like the 2019 Halloween cosmetics. However this is not confirmed or canon, don’t take my word for it

[dusky jolt]

I wish the Swings comes back. I really need that those
@spark lance Valentine Next year
Hope it will come back like the Halloween stuffs this year

[halcyon harness]

What if certain items on the TS were AP locked, but different items than the original Adventure Pass locked items?

[spark lance]

Live users looking at beta chat:whats happening over here

[fathom mauve]

I understand that development costs money, and I don't begrudge anyone that. But I CANNOT spend money on AP every month.

[warped brook]

I need to buy the pass of seasons before or the pass of season at that moment ?

[stoic crow]

is there something happening with tses?

[wanton canopy]

@willow garnet yupp, I was quite sad when they released ts to live. Almost quit

[spark lance]

S l o w m o d e
Please.

[gilded parrot]

[soft loom]

it’s rare that i have to go to #general-sky-discussion for a calm conversation rather than here

[ionic bluff]

This new ts thing is stressing me out. If this becomes the new normal I feel like I’m gonna quit sky

[orchid nexus]

ok, for the sake of argument, what if:
AP + 5 candles OR 50 candles to buy Such-and-such TS item?

[steel mesa]

I was about to go to bed and I heard the ping waht is happeniNG

[floral bluff]

Guys... What do you mean by "AP RESTRICTION ON SEASON OF BELONGING"

[sullen relic]

@willow garnet can you elaborate how so? i would've thought the more intuitive line of thought was that it should seem "fairer" to old players who had to pay for an adventure pass to get some of the pass-locked items when the travelling spirit used to be a seasonal one

[spark lance]

is there something happening with tses?
@stoic crow read #beta-announcements there are a few possible things being tested in beta that are being discussed as of now

[sullen oasis]

How about keep the old TS system

[rain delta]

@orchid nexus i would want AP + 0 candles if AP is being used

[halcyon harness]

What if certain items on the TS were AP locked, but different items than the original Adventure Pass locked items? Like instead of pants being AP locked and Wings being free, the wings are AP locked and the pants are free?

[fathom mauve]

50 CANDLES, PLEASE. Leave it as it is!!

[wanton canopy]

Maybe having a thing where you can use seasonal candles of the current season for ts?

[proud beacon]

Guys... What do you mean by "AP RESTRICTION ON SEASON OF BELONGING"
@floral bluff I was asking the same thing

Only the items that were tied behind the Season of Belonging Adventure Pass will have the AP restriction, and will be marked with the Season of Prophecy symbol.

(Does this means Belonging And the seasons before or Only the seasons Before Belonging?)🤔

[pure tapir]

Really sad if this TS-AP get implemented. Not for me, but my friends. Since they are waiting patiently for TS because they can't afford AP
@devout island
Yes and there are many kids or adults who can’t afford the passes and they already finished all their constellations so the only thing that keep them playing and getting candles is for the TS. With this in live many players will get out. I think TS are till now an incentive for players to stay more

[radiant drum]

A big change was just announced for testing, people will talk about it! It's okay to step away from chat right now if it becomes too much and come back once it's calm, this change will probably be in beta for a considerable amount of time

[mental otter]

live chat is minding their own business while this chat is in a very fiery environment ignorance is bliss

[woeful harbor]

Everyone still talking about the AP but now all I want to know about is the rainbow heart

[kindred ingot]

even if the ts do feel a bit unfair to us veterans I think it’s even more unfair for the newer players or F2P players since they won’t get the chance to even get cosmetics from past seasons

[ionic bluff]

god I wanna cry PLEASE KEEP IT AS CANDLES oh god this is stressful

[spark lance]

if they're going to restrict the items, at least make the pre-orders for friends giftable, since we have to wait fr the new season to begin to gift it anyways

[orchid nexus]

@rain delta we all want free stuff but we don't always get what we want

[novel aspen]

Season passes are already such a big advantage, to make traveler AP items entirely free is a bit much imo

[spark lance]

Is there's problem with Season of Belonging?

[half ivy]

How about 50 + stop being lazy?

[dim lagoon]

Should make an option like people who bought ad pass should pay cheaper candles

People who didnt will pay like previous TS prices

[grave jetty]

ok, for the sake of argument, what if:
AP + 5 candles OR 50 candles to buy Such-and-such TS item?
@orchid nexus I'm not sure I understand completely, but it sounds like you're talking about AP giving a discount rather than being a lock. I'd be okay with that.

[radiant drum]

The elders can hold a storytime session about our days when chat isn't this active

[heavy hearth]

What if certain items on the TS were AP locked, but different items than the original Adventure Pass locked items? Like instead of pants being AP locked and Wings being free, the wings are AP locked and the pants are free?
@halcyon harness
That would be a bit pay to win tbh.

[hybrid wedge]

Out of curiosity, how many people here played the game before traveling spirits began? If you did, how has candle farming/grinding changed for your after TS began compared to before? Because the grind sounds like it's been awfully stressful for a lot of people

[mental otter]

ah yes beta chat being quiet and peaceful, that happened just yesterday

[stark sundial]

@proud beacon is just looks like it's saying "items that were ap locked are gonna be ap locked to the present ap" i think that the mention of the specific season is because the ts was from it but we need more direct words to know if it's just that season or others too

[rapid terrace]

“What if we scare the players with a much worse TS system so they stop complaining about the current one???”
“First of all, promoted”

[steel vale]

mirian tell us a story while several people are typing

[orchid nexus]

@mental otter yesterhour

[willow garnet]

@willow garnet yupp, I was quite sad when they released ts to live. Almost quit
@wanton canopy same it’s kinda frustrating to see a month old player having almost the same collection of cosmetics you’ve grinded a year for

[rain delta]

@orchid nexus my point is that it makes no sense to require an AP pass and candles and hearts... at that point I’d rather just have regular candles + hearts and this AP lock removed. If the point of the AP PASS items is to reduce the burden then it makes more sense to make those 0 candles

[autumn lance]

Ah, remember the days when this chat wasn't active for several days?

[buoyant geyser]

“What if we scare the players with a much worse TS system so they stop complaining about the current one???”
“First of all, promoted”
@rapid terrace i hope this is true

[steel mesa]

tbh the grind really hasn’t been that bad for me I just find a day where I’m not doing anything and candle run the realms

[ionic bluff]

If seasons are gonna be the only reason I’ll continue playing sky than I don’t know if I wanna play anymore ts LEGITIMATELY gave me something to look forward to every week, probably among one of the only things I have to look forward to.

[kindred ingot]

even though grinding can be boring sometimes, farming for traveling spirits is one of the few things that motivates me to keep playing

[serene fern]

wh-what does the new ts update even means? I thought the original purpose of ts is for players who missed it to get the cosmetics Plz someone help me understand I can't English now

[astral hamlet]

so, because grinding for candles is too difficult for some people, all people now have to PAY to get TS goodies.
have I got that right?

[spark lance]

Out of curiosity, how many people here played the game before traveling spirits began? If you did, how has candle farming/grinding changed for your after TS began compared to before? Because the grind sounds like it's been awfully stressful for a lot of people
Not if you dont have a life and act like a bot ignoring anything
cries

Why we dont have a candle pack at Shop

Guys this is beta. We get to test it first and see how it goes. At least wait for next next week's TS before judging in advance??

[hallow tusk]

Before travelling spirits I never did candle runs at all! And now i do sometimes, for travelling spirit cosmetics that I missed, but I don’t think it’s negatively affected my experience personally. although i haven’t played in awhile bc of school ! 🥨

[floral bluff]

@proud beacon is just looks like it's saying "items that were ap locked are gonna be ap locked to the present ap" i think that the mention of the specific season is because the ts was from it but we need more direct words to know if it's just that season or others too
@stark sundial
Sorry but I can't understand..... RIP for non-native english speaker here

[dim lagoon]

1 h 30 min grind thats it whats stressful about that

[oblique osprey]

Everything would become a social-economic status within the game, only those who buy passes will feel special, the experience of the game for the rest of the mortals will not be the same😩 😩

[spark lance]

I just wanted to point out that China server have different schedules. They’ve got rythme spirits’ item without AP . If what was mentioned in the ping became in real live , it would be SO unfair. Sorry for saying that , but it’s fact . Seriously we’re both playing sky , what makes them different.

[steady pond]

imo the system shouldnt be punishing new players for going F2P but instead rewarding veterans whove played for longer...

[wanton canopy]

I've been here since gratitude, I never had to grind but I enjoy joining my friends on their daily grind and seeing their satisfaction when they finally buy from the ts. I do still grind and it doesn't stress me out as much as it probably does for others.

[steel vale]

ok but actually guys chill yourselves the is beta not a legit future for the game

[dusky jolt]

So that’s mean players want to reduce the price of the traveling spirits-
But TCG add the AP marks on it- to maintain the equality with old players who brought the AP before-

[spring yoke]

I think it takes away the purpose of travelling spirits.. as they were meant so people can have a chance to get old cosmetics! Many players that joined recently, Android players or freebie players couldn’t join previous seasons or couldn’t afford a seasonal pass so we wait for travelling spirits. Candle running for travelling spirits is actually one of the main reasons why I play sky everyday and if it costs an adventure pass I’m.. not sure how to feel

[slim kayak]

Remember to make your ideas heard in #beta-feedback , but be kind about it. A dev has to read all of our feedback

[wind roost]

live chat is minding their own business while this chat is in a very fiery environment ignorance is bliss
@mental otter I'm in live I'm done with this channel 🏃‍♀️

[spark lance]

Alot of beta players will probably not like it so tgc is gonna scrap the idea

right?

is that news means....i can buy the rest of the items only if I have the AP? Or can buy it through candles and hearts without the AP? It's so confusing!!!
someone help mee...

[rich island]

grinding for candles daily for pricy ts is already an effort for free players.. and if we need to buy ap+grind for candles that much.. that would be unfair.. a lot of money, time and work needed.. and we have other life outside sky

[orchid nexus]

Why we dont have a candle pack at Shop
@spark lance because everything is free in beta. everyone would buy a million candles, everyone would be rich and nobody would play realistically.

[halcyon harness]

The game would be divided with this system, between decked out payers, and free playing players

[half ivy]

1 h 30 min grind thats it whats stressful about that
@dim lagoon maybe because they already stressed before, lmao

[buoyant geyser]

wow this is chaos tgc already expected this right

[warped kiln]

Hmmm, i think that the change from candles to iap for some ts items is fair for veterans, but i hope its an option to use real money. Since android players didnt get the chance to get previous seasons

[mental otter]

candle grinds can be stressful and can cause players to get burnt out of the game. a 1 hour and 30 minute grind can be spent on other personal matters that is more important than playing a game

[rapid vale]

Honestly the only thing that still makes me play the game is the TS cosmetics. I always pay for the AP but if this new thing is gonna be final. Idk what to do in game anymore

[steel vale]

alex howd you know i would id also attempt to buy a skybot

[plain egret]

sips tea as I watch this chat

[warped brook]

In my opinion, I don’t think adding the AP is a good idea

[spark lance]

tgc wouldnt do this to us right? They cantttttttttt

[wanton canopy]

If you break up your grind throughout the day it's much more manageable I find. When you start getting burnt out take a break

[summer sundial]

Im trying to read but everyone is rapid fire sending huge sentences lmaoo

[radiant drum]

Candles were in the shop in beta once upon a time... It didn't take TGC very long to realize no one was testing the game

[spark lance]

[steel mesa]

not too happy about this change but I’m extra cranky because I’m tired rn maybe I’ll think about this more in the morning

[sullen oasis]

It's nyooooming

I am just lurking

[vale lagoon]

I dont get why people dont like new players getting new items? Everyone is just gray unless you light candles. We run around enjoying the worlds and living the game with friends. Why does it matter that some stranger has the same cape as you? Did they rip it off your back? Do you not own it anymore. If people really are upset about someone sharing an item sounds more like they like the item to show it off and brag rather than just enjoying the game.

[floral bluff]

is that news means....i can buy the rest of the items only if I have the AP? Or can buy it through candles and hearts without the AP? It's so confusing!!!
someone help mee...
@spark lance
어드벤쳐패스 있어야지만 유랑을 살 수 있는 노드가 있다고 하네요~

[spice thunder]

Cmonnnn this is not fair at all the people who got the cosmetics with AP had it for a longer time and instead of working hours and saving for TS they only needed to do small missions. I always get season pass from a friend so does that mean for the TS that comes between seasons I'll need to wait months again for it to return hopefully during season when I will have the pass since u can't share pass before season starts. Nobody I know has made a big deal about this so the new spend money AND candles for TS is absolutely unnecessary

[orchid nexus]

@halcyon harness I think that's an important thing to keep in mind while testing: anyone here who never pays IRL money to play Sky, keep an eye on whether these changes would drive you away.

[frank raptor]

Personally, I found grinding candles to be time consuming and I certainly didn't have enough time to grind everyday with school, etc; however, as much as I joke about how cr is so hard, I would still prefer to spend time rather than currency for ts. Even though cr can get tedious at times, the motivation of receiving a cosmetic as a reward is still very encouraging. The current system give me the option to choose between cr or not for cosmetics I really want/or don't, but with the one being tested in beta I do not have this choice.

[radiant drum]

@floral bluff please keep discussion in English!

[spark lance]

company should have done it in the past travel spirit.

[grave jetty]

candle grinds can be stressful and can cause players to get burnt out of the game. a 1 hour and 30 minute grind can be spent on other personal matters that is more important than playing a game
@mental otter Yes. A 1:30 grind isn't all that bad once, but a 1:30 grind every day (twice a day for beta players) takes its toll fast. This is why paid options are good. They just need to remain options.

[foggy marsh]

honestly if this change happens ill rarely play the game bc ive fknished the vanilla game and theres nothing for me to farm for except ts

[fathom mauve]

Season passes are already such a big advantage, to make traveler AP items entirely free is a bit much imo
@novel aspen

I think we should have to pay candles for them, and they shouldn't be free. But a LOT of people don't have the luxury of spending money on the AP's, and they-we, bc I'm one of them-shouldn't be restricted from enjoying the things they missed because they weren't playing then.

[hollow jay]

To sum up, here's everybody's opinion:
Free to play players: NOOOOO
Adventure pass holders: YESSSSSS

[stark sundial]

omg I got dizzy with this chat... gonna have to return later

[wide wasp]

Unless it’s applying for RHYTHM SEASON I’m

[radiant drum]

Take care Zeryle

[spark lance]

@floral bluff thank you jeje!!!!

[steel vale]

[floral bluff]

oh sorry! was just talking about the new concept of TS

[serene goblet]

I don't really see the point of grinding anymore if they bring these changes upon live

[halcyon harness]

These changes wouldn’t drive me away personally, they’d make me a bit sad due to not being able to get rarer cosmetics

[wanton canopy]

@vale lagoon I don't mind players getting new items and such it's just when I payed for something and it said it was limited, I expected it to be limited

[orchid nexus]

!slowmode 2m because who can read all this????

[vast bay]

Slowmode is now set to 2m in #beta-discussion

[ionic saddle]

there goes beta chat again

[radiant drum]

And anyone that might be leaving until chat is calmer, take care of yourselves first!

[spark lance]

OH

[steel mesa]

2m dang

[serene fern]

If the ts cosmetics are Ap it is so unfair for free-to-play players They can never get the cosmetics even if they were there for the seasons

[warped kiln]

Im just gonna deal with this tomorrow,my head hurts aaaaaaa

[echo iron]

#beta-feedback really do be flooded

[spark lance]

I gotta get ready for work. Hopefully this topic will filter out throughout the day. Have a good one, everybody.

[whole helm]

honestly i like the new system, since im in graduate year and dont have much spare time to candle run everyday tho

[wind roost]

BETA is for ideas it's not guaranteed to come to live, please leave feedbacks instead of flaming the idea in here constantly

[summer sundial]

My eyes....can finally....catch up...

[steel vale]

Reaction time ladies and gents

[signal ingot]

Doesn't this just make the whole idea of traveling spirits null? The whole point of traveling spirits was to bring back spirits right? So people could access stuff they missed or couldn't afford. Plus, people who joined during a season but couldn't afford a pass can't even get the stuff now while they were a veteran.

[mental otter]

@grave jetty i see your point! seeing as how i know some players buy candle packs to be able to buy ts cosmetics, i too think there should also be options, and not be stuck on a paywall

[spark lance]

I dont get why people dont like new players getting new items? Everyone is just gray unless you light candles. We run around enjoying the worlds and living the game with friends. Why does it matter that some stranger has the same cape as you? Did they rip it off your back? Do you not own it anymore. If people really are upset about someone sharing an item sounds more like they like the item to show it off and brag rather than just enjoying the game.
@vale lagoon You’ve just said what is inside of my heart

[rich island]

with the ap system is exists.. will the non ap items in ts would be pricy like before?

[orchid nexus]

The topic will calm. Lots of people have thoughts to share right now!

[ionic bluff]

some people don’t have the money to afford TS like this.

[foggy marsh]

honestly i like the new system, since im in graduate year and dont have much spare time to candle run everyday tho
@whole helm youll still have to candle run you just need the pass to get the pass items now in addition to candles

[spark lance]

several people are typing in #beta-feedback

[radiant drum]

There is no need to leave negative reactions on another member's message if you disagree with them, instead share your own message with your thoughts on why you disagree

[rapid vale]

Idk but the others, personally I don't mind the free players getting these cosmetics ny candles. After all, it's so time consuming to gain candles which is actually kind of reasonable. I mean, who would like to take 2-3 hours of their time grinding?

[halcyon harness]

I think we should all just take the time to test it. I personally don’t like the change but maybe we can improve upon it through testing!

[spark lance]

Tell me I’m not the only one who dislikes the possible new TS system

[toxic spruce]

Wait I feel like we missing the main point the AP was added to relieve the stress of candle run but the actual price wasn’t reduced in the current TS: HOW ON EARTH DOES THIS RELIEVE STRESS OF GRINDING????

[sullen oasis]

everyone having riots and complaints while I am here visibly confuse to what the hell is going on and why is everything hellfire

[steady pond]

^ doesnt update say prices havent been adjusted yet?

[honest folio]

This is an early step in the revamping of the Traveling Spirit System, so candle costs have not been adjusted for the additional requirement of the Adventure Pass. As with everything that we test in Beta, details are subject to change and may be different when the content hits Live.

[radiant drum]

@wanton canopy please read my most recent message in this chat

[spice thunder]

Tell me I’m not the only one who dislikes the possible new TS system
@spark lance
EveryOne dislikes it it's absolutely unnecessary

[spark lance]

Man i love reading essays in the beta chat

are people forgetting android was barely released this year, so a lot of players didn't get access to those cosmetics

[jolly spindle]

I'm in confusion- what is going on

[slim kayak]

Remember that #beta-feedback is the best place to put your thoughts, the devs will be able to read all of it there! But remember to be kind, a human has to read them all

[floral bluff]

honestly i like the new system, since im in graduate year and dont have much spare time to candle run everyday tho
@whole helm
YESSS I really don't have time to go farming

[radiant drum]

Reacting with or similar emotes is not constructive and does not contribute to this discussion at all, and can be rude to others that are sharing their thoughts

[elder hatch]

maybe im reading the chat wrong, but ive been seeing alot of this 'why cant players get the cosmetics just because they missed the season' argument? they still can get the free cosmetics, and even if they were a free-to-play player when the season was active, they wouldnt have been able to get the paid cosmetics either

[fathom mauve]

Doesn't this just make the whole idea of traveling spirits null? The whole point of traveling spirits was to bring back spirits right? So people could access stuff they missed or couldn't afford. Plus, people who joined during a season but couldn't afford a pass can't even get the stuff now while they were a veteran.
@Watermelon#4246

EXACTLY!!

some people don’t have the money to afford TS like this.
@Jarvis#9804

Meeeee

Seriously, if you make it so you have to have the AP and/or candles too, then you have just made it harder to get the items!

[hybrid wedge]

The test of an idea for a new TS system hasn't even started, so it's unfair to make a firm decision on it, and inaccurate to say that "everyone hates it."

[proud beacon]

I think the only ts they should release before this new system is effective is to make spirits who haven't visited yet before Android Release, that would be more fair wouldn't it. It's fair for both iOS and Android, Veterans and Newbies

[vale lagoon]

@vale lagoon I don't mind players getting new items and such it's just when I payed for something and it said it was limited, I expected it to be limited
@wanton canopy
Im fine with old stuff having to be actually bought, Like i want everyone to wear and look how ever they want its just a chill game. Not a limited item achievement game. I dont lose my manta cape if someone else gets it from a month from now. I still have mine, its a cute cape i hope everyone can enjoy.

[spark lance]

Since everybody doesnt like it, then tgc will definitely not release it, it makes sense? Tgc just wants to make things better. its just an idea

[slate heath]

lol it is easy to go beyond the blue barrier, the problem is that there is not a portal to the prophecy cave

[foggy marsh]

this chat is basically people who can spend money for the pass arguing with people who can't

[orchid nexus]

Also remember: we can disagree and still be cool to each other

[rich island]

honestly I don't mind the price of ts before this ap system.. it's reasonable why it's pricy

[astral hamlet]

Personally, I found grinding candles to be time consuming and I certainly didn't have enough time to grind everyday with school, etc; however, as much as I joke about how cr is so hard, I would still prefer to spend time rather than currency for ts. Even though cr can get tedious at times, the motivation of receiving a cosmetic as a reward is still very encouraging. The current system give me the option to choose between cr or not for cosmetics I really want/or don't, but with the one being tested in beta I do not have this choice.
@frank raptor this is great #beta-feedback

[spark lance]

I was literally trying to watch ace attorney anime when i saw the beta updates and seeing this chat
Man i just want to watch anime

I don't see why a game about being social and expressive is restricting access to cosmetics and people are legit going "not their fault you can't afford it". isn't this game for all ages? kids can't always afford to pay for stuff.

[elder nymph]

What is it like testing out beta for the first time?

[north bridge]

With that system, newbie can't get past cosmetics??

[sullen oasis]

Since everybody doesnt like it, then tgc will definitely not release it, it makes sense? Tgc just wants to make things better. its just an idea
@spark lance alot of people didn't like the Earth's prophet cape color but it didn't change at all even tho there was alot of feedback and complaints into it

[mental otter]

exactly that alex. we can have a calm discussion and discuss our disagreements without any fights breaking out

[shy geode]

what’s the new ts system i’m so confused

[radiant drum]

Just try to remember that your views, or the loudest views, are not everyone's views. TGC has access to plenty of feedback of all kinds to make the decisions they do about the game, even when it seems like everyone is shouting negative thoughts

[kindred bluff]

my beta be like:
if i updated. i dont updated bc i did. no i didnt ❤️

[orchid nexus]

@foggy marsh it's not that simple. there are many different opinions here, and polarizing into 2 camps is not constructive

[ionic saddle]

maybe it should be you get the item for free with ap, but you can still pay for it with candles but it doesn’t really help the candle running problem

[serene fern]

ts is already expensive and cost a lot of candles for free-to-play platers now they are going to pay for it too??? I don't see how this can be test in beta since everyone in beta has the pass
ready for the drama

[heavy hearth]

Wait so we're arguing here? Lol I thought people were expressing their opinions about the new update here

[wanton canopy]

Maybe I'm just a grumpy old vet, but then I find no purpose in buying a pass, wouldn't getting it for free the next season make buying from the last pointless?> @wanton canopy

Im fine with old stuff having to be actually bought, Like i want everyone to wear and look how ever they want its just a chill game. Not a limited item achievement game. I dont lose my manta cape if someone else gets it from a month from now. I still have mine, its a cute cape i hope everyone can enjoy.
@vale lagoon

[grave jetty]

Reacting with or similar emotes is not constructive and does not contribute to this discussion at all, and can be rude to others that are sharing their thoughts
@radiant drum The logistics of both giving one's own opinion and reacting to other opinions is kind of hampered by slowmode. And yet, slowmode is still necessary in order to keep the main discussion semi-followable. Reactions are suboptimal, I agree, but they're the only way to keep up.

[oblique osprey]

Sky is the only game in which everyone feels special, it would be a waste if the cosmetics of the traveling spirits are with a pass, and it would be selfish if those who have a pass to buy think that they do not care about the experience of the rest of the players without access to a pass😩 😩 😩

[hybrid wedge]

Again, it's fine to have a reaction to #beta-announcements, but since we haven't tried this test out yet, it's premature to pronounce a judgment about it

[radiant drum]

I understand that, but being constructive and respectful is more important than sharing what you think right at that moment. You can always mention someone to respond to them, when the slowmode is over

[foggy marsh]

i was making a joke lmao

[spice thunder]

I'ma go leave feedback everyone who doesn't agree with the AP TS system please leave feedback too if a lot of people sends feedback TgC will surely change this system

[spark lance]

yikess this would suck for minors like me who aren’t employed/aren’t old enough to get a job because we wouldnt have any way to get money to spend on a pass just for the ts :’)

[primal bridge]

what’s the new ts system i’m so confused
@shy geode
In the live server rn, players can buy items that needed season pass for candles
Now in the beta server, you hv to get the adventure pass to buy certain items

[spark lance]

@spark lance alot of people didn't like the Earth's prophet cape color but it didn't change at all even tho there was alot of feedback and complaints into it
@sullen oasis maybe theyll change it in live? but oki thx for the info

[summer sundial]

Hey how about this! What if the TS isn't locked to AP Holders but they get a significant discount in candle prices? So say mask that costs 55 candles ends up being 35? And then all Free Players are stuck with the original prices? I think this might a better change than the one TGC is proposing. I'd love to hear some feedback.

[swift edge]

maybe it should be you get the item for free with ap, but you can still pay for it with candles but it doesn’t really help the candle running problem
@ionic saddle

I actually like this idea a lot

[spark lance]

Ive seen enough chaos imma watch ace attorney anime

[mental otter]

imo it's good to have an initial opinion on this, test it once it's out on beta, then send back your final feedback regarding this new ts system. that way less thoughts and opinions are cluttered.

[elder nymph]

@grave jetty maybe just reacting with or is good

[pure tapir]

If this changes are to reduce the stress of farming for TS One thing I will suggesting in the beta feedback will be to increase the light we get in every candle and plant (like that event with double value) so we can get the candles we’ll need for TS in less time and effort. I don’t mind if everyone could get everything easier. I’ve been playing since belonging and bought passes in the past.

[orchid nexus]

@grave jetty the point is that we should all remember not to shout down any opinion. We're building a beautiful, colorful tapestry of opinion for TGC to consider, but if it's all blackened with anger, then it's not a pretty picture

[kindred bluff]

what are we arguing about again? im a bit late to the beginning of this chaos

[steady pond]

i agree with the take that AP should give discounts to TS, instead of locking people out of cosmetics entirely

game should not punish F2P players but instead reward veterans in another way, like perhaps the older the season pendant you own, the cheaper the TS prices will be for you ?

[hidden quarry]

confession: i've bought out every single ts that has come, without spending any money. the grind was a bit frustrating but slowly got easier (turned into something therapeutic and rewarding to perfect), and events like double wax really helped with the process, ts and normal constellations included. i recognize that running for candles might not be for everyone, but i feel that its a bit unfair to put items behind paywalls in a system that gave you those items in exchange for patience. ill ruminate a bit more and absorb everyone's opinions before i send my thoughts off to feedback

[spark lance]

Sorry, devs, but it’s just not going to work out for a vast majority of us We love you guys and the amazing universe you’ve built from scratch over six years! But I believe that most of us feels that this undermines the whole purpose of a TS and doesn’t give free players like me a chance to progress. If people are really into an certain item, why not just buy candle packs? Please keep things the way they are, Sky is beautiful just as it is

[ionic bluff]

god this is stressing me out I need to take a break, if this goes through I may just leave sky

[wanton canopy]

I remember the whole big thing with the no more deep calling to see all the players around, still quite sad about it

[sullen relic]

@summer sundial you might want to post that to #beta-feedback, that's definitely an interesting idea for the situation

[shy geode]

@shy geode
In the live server rn, players can buy items that needed season pass for candles
Now in the beta server, you hv to get the adventure pass to buy certain items
@primal bridge wait so if i read that correvtly, you have to get the adventure pass from whatever season the ts is in to get certain items?

[hybrid wedge]

@summer sundial The best people to make that post to is TGC via #beta-feedback, so go ahead and post it there regardless of whatever comments are posted here

[spark lance]

Hey how about this! What if the TS isn't locked to AP Holders but they get a significant discount in candle prices? So say mask that costs 55 candles ends up being 35? And then all Free Players are stuck with the original prices? I think this might a better change than the one TGC is proposing. I'd love to hear some feedback.
@summer sundial "everyone liked that"

[sullen oasis]

Ive seen enough chaos imma watch ace attorney anime
@spark lance I am currently watching that anime too

[south briar]

Uhmm a question where can I put the suggestion for the ts revamp?

I have this Idea that AP players will have a bit cheaper like 5/10% ts prices than those player dont have, in that way I feel it would be more balance???? I dunno...

[slate heath]

well... nobody liked the prices for the lantern and they didn't really care to lower the price, I dont think they will care if people don't like the new system 😆 and btw the candle prices for the TSs were just fine, you just had to spend 2h playing the game for like 6 days and you could afford any TS... it was all about the savings

[red perch]

Wait I feel like we missing the main point the AP was added to relieve the stress of candle run but the actual price wasn’t reduced in the current TS: HOW ON EARTH DOES THIS RELIEVE STRESS OF GRINDING????
@toxic spruce in the way that you can't get it even you have candles because you don't have AP, which is sad to say so

[rain delta]

@whole helm youll still have to candle run you just need the pass to get the pass items now in addition to candles
@foggy marsh

This this is what I hate the most, what’s the point of AP locking them if I STILL need to cr for those items??? This is just plain silly, it’s like double currencies now and it’s worse.

[orchid nexus]

@spark lance You don't need to apologize to mods for not liking it. only apologize to mods if you share your feelings in a way that's destructive or hurtful to others. (mods don't make the game)

[tiny umbra]

I know, dumb of me to ask at this time, and I’ll copy paste the question tomorrow,

but who was it earlier today whose traveling spirit didn’t register the first time they did it? It happened to me just now, had to relive the spirit twice, @remote sky was it? Really sorry for the cold ping

Did you warp home immediately after finishing ? I think that’s why, I did that the first time and it showed as if I didn’t do it at all, the second time I waited until after it showed up in my emote menu to warp back home, the spirit allowed me to buy it from them after that.

[tacit ember]

One of the reasons I love Sky and continue to play it is because a lot of amazing games like this lock all the good stuff behind in-app purchases whereas Sky allows new players and those that are unable to buy a pass for whatever reason to have access to these items. But it’s not easy. The spirit you want might never come as a TS and you have to grind real hard so I think the current system is quite fair. Honestly, if they lock TS items behind an AP as well it’s really discouraging for players that can’t buy the pass.

[rich island]

or just let us get the past ultimate gift too if we need to buy ap for ts

[wide wasp]

[signal ingot]

For people that are complaining that they don't like how new players are able to get cosmetics easily in a short time while veterans had to spend time and money as well, bringing this back to the new traveling spirit system, isn't just getting the ultimate gift do the same thing?? You need a season pass to get it and you also need to spend a lot of time and money to get the ultimate gift as well. Plus getting the ultimate gift can sometimes have a better design and have better functionality. Sorry for this long paragraph but I feel like I need to write this much with the cool down.

Anyways the main point of this was just to say, I personally think this new traveling spirit system is pretty redundant since it's very similar to the whole concept of ultimate gifts anyways when ultimate gifts are usually visually and practically more appealing. I will repeat this in feedback too so but I would really like to have people discuss this statement that I'm making. Thank you and again sorry for making you read this long paragraph

[spring yoke]

I actually enjoy candle running! I can see the wonderful setting sky has and sometimes meet new people. I actually like collect things irl cause it’s something I enjoy and I love to collect cosmetics and emotes in sky as well! Sure it does cost time and effort but when you get to buy everything or something you like all the effort pays off and it feels nice :] maybe the IAP thing could be.. optional? As we could have both the choice of using 50 candles or use 5 with the adventure pass.
But ofc this is just my idea :]

[heavy hearth]

Sorry, mods, but it’s just not going to work out for a vast majority of us We love you guys and the amazing universe you’ve built from scratch over six years! But I believe that most of us feels that this undermines the whole purpose of a TS and doesn’t give free players like me a chance to progress. If people are really into an certain item, why not just buy candle packs? Please keep things the way they are, Sky is beautiful just as it is
@spark lance
Do you mind putting this on feedback? Its one of the best statements that put most if not all of our opinions together.

[elder nymph]

cool so i’m just here watching the beta spoilers, don’t mind me brothers and sisters

[copper bison]

tbh, i kinda liked how tses were. even with the grind, i feel like putting your time into getting those hard earned candles made the item you bought from the ts feel more valuable. as a f2p player and someone who can't afford an ap every single season, i feel kinda sad that they're changing it. I have my heart set on several cosmetics that i missed because i didn't join during those times (and couldn't, was on android and i can't just buy a phone), and even saved up candles for those tses. I do think that the grinding was exhausting, i pretty much burnt myself out with trying to get weasel mask. i don't really know what else to say here, just popping in to put my opinion and see what others think. (should put this in feedback too- )

@kindred bluff we're talking about what was posted in #beta-announcements about the ts system changing.

[spark lance]

honestly i think that more people would complain about this new system than the old one so i don’t see a solid benefit,,

[radiant drum]

Nothing will change in one day, this discussion will become calmer in the following days where all can be heard and share their thoughts to others without feeling it was buried. It can be frustrating right now but there are just a lot of players here and we need to make sure chat stays friendly

[oblique osprey]

Hey how about this! What if the TS isn't locked to AP Holders but they get a significant discount in candle prices? So say mask that costs 55 candles ends up being 35? And then all Free Players are stuck with the original prices? I think this might a better change than the one TGC is proposing. I'd love to hear some feedback.
@summer sundial I love your input

[spice thunder]

I actually enjoy candle running! I can see the wonderful setting sky has and sometimes meet new people. I actually like collect things irl cause it’s something I enjoy and I love to collect cosmetics and emotes in sky as well! Sure it does cost time and effort but when you get to buy everything or something you like all the effort pays off and it feels nice :] maybe the IAP thing could be.. optional? As we could have both the choice of using 50 candles or use 5 with the adventure pass.
But ofc this is just my idea :]
@spring yoke
THIS I think this is genius

[grave jetty]

confession: i've bought out every single ts that has come, without spending any money. the grind was a bit frustrating but slowly got easier (turned into something therapeutic and rewarding to perfect), and events like double wax really helped with the process, ts and normal constellations included. i recognize that running for candles might not be for everyone, but i feel that its a bit unfair to put items behind paywalls in a system that gave you those items in exchange for patience. ill ruminate a bit more and absorb everyone's opinions before i send my thoughts off to feedback
@hidden quarry Exactly. People pay in money, or they pay in time/effort, and it is good that there are multiple ways to pay. The current proposal removes options, rather than adding them, and this is what people are upset about. There are probably better ways to do this that preserve both options.

[shy geode]

ooo no it’s very expensive to have to spend money on a pass just to get a few ts items :( i don’t know about that but since it’s beta anything could change right?

[wanton canopy]

I've got a baddd feeling this update is going through to live. It's not going to affect me as much as I've gotten every season, but ima feel bad for my friends who can't buy the stuff.

[warped kiln]

Everyone who is stressed right now:
Go take a break
Drink some water and maybe take a nap
Usually when you're stressed and/or angry you say things you dont mean and you might hurt someone
Maybe we could debate after a while? Everyone can calm down and express their opinion in a good way

[summer sundial]

Thanks for all the nice responses everyone! I will submit my idea to the feedback channel now!

[spark lance]

@spark lance
Do you mind putting this on feedback? Its one of the best statements that put most if not all of our opinions together.
@heavy hearth off, off, and away it goes! Look out devs, @spark lance’s comin at ‘cha one more time!

[proud beacon]

I knew that TS are decreasing the value and rarity of the cosmetics and I agree with that, but keep that in made that Veterans deserve rare Cosmetics since they're the first to join and also Making it AP exclusive is making it more valuable, It's ok for new players to get cosmetics but isn't it unfair for old players, it's just we need to think both of the sides, People who spend time playing the game and grinding deserve it so If you don't play or grind that much well think about it, it's still fair if you see it the big picture

[spark lance]

if you're complaining about candle grinding, in a game that requires you to candle grind to unlock ultimate constellation gifts... I just wanna know why you're opposed to an actual game mechanic.

[fierce shoal]

What about players who buy the triple pass?
We can’t have the traveling spirit between seasons ?

[frank raptor]

Big appreciation for candle running

[orchid nexus]

choice of using 50 candles or use 5 with the adventure pass.
@spring yoke ok it's your idea if you missed the part where it was my idea earlier... (ok but srsly just kidding, and do send to feedback channel)

[stoic crow]

But isn't this what candle packs are for? If people are looking to get items from the ts by spending money, surely you could just pay for that? I wouldn't want my 100 or so candles that I've been saving for a few months to go to waste just because it's behind a paywall now..

[signal ingot]

I knew that TS are decreasing the value and rarity of the cosmetics and I agree with that, but keep that in made that Veterans deserve rare Cosmetics since they're the first to join and also Making it AP exclusive is making it more valuable, It's ok for new players to get cosmetics but isn't it unfair for old players, it's just we need to think both of the sides, People who spend time playing the game and grinding deserve it so If you don't play or grind that much will think about it, it's still fair if you see it the big picture
@proud beacon Referring to one of the statements I made before, ultimate gifts practically have the same purpose as what you're asking for

[elder nymph]

and yet i though this general chat was kalm

[wanton canopy]

Everyone who is stressed right now:
Go take a break
Drink some water and maybe take a nap
Usually when you're stressed and/or angry you say things you dont mean and you might hurt someone
Maybe we could debate after a while? Everyone can calm down and express their opinion in a good way
@warped kiln just wanted to say thank you, I am going to get water and chill out as I am heated. I shal test the new feature and then come back with feedback after a week or so. Thanks for the reminder

[young elbow]

suddenly all seasonal cosmetics lost their worth

[tiny umbra]

Ooof Just saw the off seasons part, that means free to play players who rely on gift passes can’t get the off season ts

[tacit flame]

I am so late to this because I never got the ping for #beta-announcements despite having the role, but holy smokes this is chaotic

[orchid nexus]

slowmode might be easier to endure with less quoting of large text blocks

[willow garnet]

at this point we need to calm down and look at both sides, veterans and new players

[hybrid wedge]

One of the main values of Sky is inclusion, and players being a community (or the Sky family). I've played a long time, and it makes me sad when new people don't have the chance to enjoy the same old cosmetics as me just because of happenstance. More people having the deer mask doesn't make it less cool to have

[ancient tusk]

at this point we need to calm down and look at both sides, veterans and new players
@willow garnet also f2p veterans

[spring yoke]

Glad that people are getting a bit calmer now :] we gotta remember it’s just an idea and they’re testing! Gotta submit ideas to the feedback channel!

[steel vale]

hallo nagati

[shy geode]

i really hope this doesn’t carry through to live without modifications at the least, it would feel really bad for the people that missed out on past seasons

[steel mesa]

spain without the s

[radiant drum]

Campfire is my best friend, everyone should have one

[orchid nexus]

yes, consider both sides, and the other sides too, and consider that there are sides you aren't imagining as well!

[ionic bluff]

People who treat new players getting seasonal cosmetics badly bc they want to be the only one that has it makes me sad :(((

[signal ingot]

suddenly all seasonal cosmetics lost their worth
@young elbow Please, again referring to an statement I made not too long ago, ultimate gifts have this purpose

[frank raptor]

bread in french

[tardy marsh]

what has happened here?
does anyone need a mediator?
i be happy to help since im bored

[spark lance]

Pain

[fervent patrol]

Yeah, I had an idea that those who have AP could just have those certain items for free, so they don't have to do a lot of time candle running, or if they didn't get enough candles in time.

[mental otter]

lance noo stay in live gen chat, ignorance is bliss

[tribal grove]

Has it been mentioned that ultimate gifts can come back or is this a theory? Sorry I’m a bit lost!

[copper bison]

what has happened here?
@tardy marsh #beta-announcements

[fierce shoal]

Honestly, this change in traveling spirits sounds unfair with all players, but it’s worst with who buy pass for three people

[proud beacon]

TGC needs to get profits since many players are joining and this takes for more management and more spending their own budget, don't think about yourself just now and think about the Creators and Producers they deserve more than us

Btw I don't Have pass

[radiant drum]

Ultimates were mentioned because of the whole AP discussion, there was nothing official shared on it

[rich stream]

Okay...so now we have to buy an Adventure Pass to access traveling spirit rewards?

Who the heck complained about candle grinding? It's the entire point of the game, it's what makes it fun. So now those of us without the income for a pass in general get even less access 😐 I really look forward to TS's because it means that those items I couldn't afford are finally available.

[tiny umbra]

Although I think the same amount of people would get thr pass regardless of this new change or not, if they haven’t gotten the pass before the ts message they arent going to now cause they probably can’t afford it

[spring yoke]

I think the best choice is to make it optional to include Adventure pass when purchasing travelling spirit cosmetics as some people say it’s good and some people say it bad.. hmhm..
starts breakdancing

[spark lance]

If seaosnal gifts are "losing purpose" and worth, doesn't that go for the spells in Arc shop? You can save up for campfires through spells, enough that you can practically "own" your own. Doesn't that lower the ultimate gift price too?

Why is it about the worth anyways? Why can't players just be kind and accept that 1.) Android players were literally restricted from majority of these and 2.) There is no "value" to a video game comsteitc worth being heated over a newbie player candle grinding to get it.

and remember that Sky is a free game with no ads
non-AP players get to experience the same game we AP holders have.

the only difference is cosmetics, but we all get to fly the same sky

[rapid crane]

If now that they are going to modify that in the TS, when the pass for 3 players is purchased, will they now implement the gift that same day or will it wait until that season begins?

[steel mesa]

aight I’m gonna go to bed and see how this chat is doing in the morning 🏃 see all of you guys later

[frank raptor]

I certainly do believe that we should consider the creators and producers, but players' feelings and circumstances are just as important. It takes both producers and players to make a game great and inclusive.

[tulip cove]

Remember we are the testing sky kids that the general public rely on guys! Your feedback is always welcome but remember to be kind. This is a game, but your words can hurt. Everyone deserves to be equal and safe here. ♡ love yourself, love others, and be kind. Remember these sky game workers are just like you! Thanks

[spark lance]

@spark lance well said

[fathom mauve]

are people forgetting android was barely released this year, so a lot of players didn't get access to those cosmetics
@spark lance YES

[ionic bluff]

The problem is, not all of us have access to getting the AP. if I can’t get the AP and I can’t do ts, i don’t see much of a point in playing sky anymore. Somewhat defeats the purpose of ts, which I THOUGHT were supposed to give players who never experienced a certain season, or didn’t have the AP a chance to have AP rewards.

[warped kiln]

@wanton canopy glad i could help

[plain egret]

did seasonal cosmetic really lose their worth though? this game is about sharing an experience with strangers or friends, and i think that experience includes cosmetics. Sky isnt about shining alone but shining together... anyways, just a food for thought.

[ancient tusk]

Although I think the same amount of people would get thr pass regardless of this new change or not, if they haven’t gotten the pass before the ts message they arent going to now cause they probably can’t afford it
@tiny umbra YES people aren't just gunna buy that pass bc the ts requires it.

[eager fulcrum]

i get where y’all are coming from but yall also gotta think about the amount of players who cannot afford an adventure pass, let alone keep buying them for traveling spirits. it feels like a slap in the face

[royal iris]

Hi everyone, usually dont comment a ton but the new idea for the seasonal spirits is awful. i get where you guys are coming from but this will be alienating a ton of young kids and although grinding sucks there are better ways of offsetting price than cash gating young people with no money

[swift edge]

I feel like many people will leave Sky after this change. I mean.... After a new player completes every constellation all that they have are the TS and new seasons and if u take away a free TS then free to play players will just be waiting a next season without having much to do in game so why stay?

I am actually worried about how this change can affect the game if it goes to live cause i have a bunch of friends who left the game saying it was too repetitive and that there wasn't much to do once u get 10 wings or everything in constellations and one of the things that i know that makes people stay in the game is the grind cause people who doesn't have time will ask to be ubered and end up making friends and staying in game, if u take this away i feel like many people will just leave

[fervent patrol]

It says only cosmetics behind Season of Belonging will be AP-locked, meaning that Seasons after Belonging are free?

[elder nymph]

me: wait sky has a advertisement saying they have five stars?!
TGC: always has been
pops up

[tender knoll]

Lmao. Which rock went to vacation to sanctuary??

[wooden kettle]

In all honesty I liked grinding for candles on live for the TSes and imo putting past seasons cosmetics behind a paywall is a really bad idea cos many play the game for fun and are not actually prepared to spend money on it

Personally I feel it's a bad idea, and as Nagati said, more people owning the once rare cosmetics doesn't make it less cool in any way

[elder hatch]

wether or not android was released this year, its the same thing - if it was released earlier in android when the seasons were active, to get the paid cosmetics you needed to have the AP

[wanton canopy]

Trading perhaps? 👁👄👁 that'd probably bring a whole other issue tho

[orchid nexus]

Hey guys! thanks for sharing your thoughts now. and remember to test it, and try it, and write some feedback after you stop being mad or confused about the change too!

[foggy marsh]

even though the main point of the game is socializing, a lot of us also collect cosmetics

[proud beacon]

@spark lance YES
@fathom mauve I mentioned that before they put this new system they have to make to make past spirits visit before Android realease

[warped brook]

Are we need to buy the pass of the season of TS

[stiff dust]

Sometimes I have to admit that I don’t really want the new players to have all the special seasonal cosmetics I have because I still want to feel a little bit more “special” in this game. I know it is selfish, I apologize. But I guess this is what a lot of veteran players feel. Hopefully the new and veteran players can make some compromises together

[radiant drum]

Remember to treat this change as a possibility, not a permanent thing. It is not a "hey look at this thing that's gonna happen" but a "what would you think if we did this?"

[grave jetty]

TGC needs to get profits since many players are joining and this takes for more management and more spending their own budget, don't think about yourself just now and think about the Creators and Producers they deserve more than us

Btw I don't Have pass
@proud beacon Ironically, TGC actually stands to lose money per spending player on this. If I was spending $15 per spirit on candle packs, and now I can spend $10 to get those same cosmetics on 2-3 spirits at a time, TGC misses out to the tune of 50-75%. Nobody wins but the whales.

[exotic gorge]

These will be the stepping stones to bring back the ultimates and I do agree with it because if it was originally behind an AP to get when it originally came it should always be behind and AP wall especially if once you finish get all that season items from TS you can have the opportunity to unlock that ultimate

[rocky plume]

what if someone is a veteran player who have been playing since the BETA beta sky but never have been able to buy anything? what about players like them?

[onyx inlet]

the fact that some of u want to flex so bad that u want to make it as hard as possible for new players to get cosmetics is :/

[red perch]

Apart for the issue TS, i just wanna say, what is wrong with candles grinding, isn't that a big point that we enjoy doing with friends?

[spark lance]

What if we want the TS cosmetics, but not the current seasonal cosmetics that require the AP?

[vale lagoon]

I give props to people who grind and candle run, because I am one of those people that just buy candles when there is a new season and TS

[white horizon]

Im kinda okay with it being pass locked but I would at least want to know what travelling spirits are coming in advance in case if i wanted to buy the ap or not.

[humble raft]

it's been an hour of reading and re-reading the new beta update and i still don't understand it entirely i feel dumb

[spark lance]

Wanting items to yourself is so selfish oops

[tender knoll]

Let’s not forget that some countries do not allow to purchase. I feel sad for them missing out.

[orchid nexus]

@humble raft that's ok not to understand. play it and see how it feels!

[royal iris]

i know as a pre teen and teenager my parents wouldve NEVER let me spend money on a game that often. maybe things have changed but this just feels like cashgating kids that are lower income

[radiant drum]

Lots of people play this game in very different ways, and some might not enjoy the grinding aspect as others do. And that's okay!

[tiny umbra]

There’s always going to be the same old vet moth controversy, tgc is trying their best, that’s why this is in beta instead of springing it on live without feedback

[proud beacon]

what if someone is a veteran player who have been playing since the BETA beta sky but never have been able to buy anything? what about players like them?
@rocky plume players who spent more time playing deserve more so it's fair

[cerulean pumice]

I'm okay with the beta patch..

[dapper ginkgo]

Wow, it’s been over an hour and a half guys. I’m scared.

Why not just make AP holders get it for free while non AP a holders can buy with candles? No one is gonna complain. Everyone wins in the end.

[tropic portal]

i think the problem a lot of people have with grinding is that it does take a while each day, but also you dont even know if at the end of the two weeks itll have been worth the time in the end bc ts are random qvq

[wanton canopy]

I don't want it to be harder for new players, just equally as hard. I'll admit I am being selfish but it just makes all my efforts seem pointless if you can get older stuff easier than when it came out

[ionic bluff]

It’s so rude to new players, just because someone so happened to join sky at a later date does not mean they can’t experience what other people can.

[signal ingot]

TGC needs to get profits since many players are joining and this takes for more management and more spending their own budget, don't think about yourself just now and think about the Creators and Producers they deserve more than us

Btw I don't Have pass
@proud beacon I really do not want to argue with you but considering the prices of the pins, lanterns, and many other limited time cosmetics, they could've profited many times before. I'm technically considered a veteran of this game and I really don't think they'd stoop so low to try and do this just to get profits. If you are a veteran as well, you must also know that the prices of both cosmetics and seasonal passes have both increased and with the addition of new players, more people are buying the passes as well so I highly doubt they need to get more profits from this. I agree that the creators and producers deserve a lot of creating a magnificent game like this but considering the increase of prices over the year and the new additions that also nudged people to spend money, all they're getting is a lot of negative feedback from this

[spark lance]

@rocky plume players who spent more time playing deserve more so it's fair
@proud beacon people are poor, david

[dreamy copper]

To be honest i don't really like the new ap system because it basically defeats the whole point of the ts, which is to get earlier season cosmetics for free. I saw someone earlier that said that AP players should get a discount instead and i agree with that, because that way its somewhat fair to both f2p and non f2p players. About ultimate rewards coming back i don't think they should come back free though, because if they did the AP wouldn't be worth it anymore and nobody would want to buy AP anymore. I think that maybe ultimate rewards should be bought with real money? And just to be fair to the veteran players i think it should be more expensive

[slate heath]

@proud beacon I really do not want to argue with you but considering the prices of the pins, lanterns, and many other limited time cosmetics, they could've profited many times before. I'm technically considered a veteran of this game and I really don't think they'd stoop so low to try and do this just to get profits. If you are a veteran as well, you must also know that the prices of both cosmetics and seasonal passes have both increased and with the addition of new players, more people are buying the passes as well so I highly doubt they need to get more profits from this. I agree that the creators and producers deserve a lot of creating a magnificent game like this but considering the increase of prices over the year and the new additions that also nudged people to spend money but all they're getting is a lot of negative feedback from this
@signal ingot I wanted to say this but I gave up lol

[grave jetty]

Apart for the issue TS, i just wanna say, what is wrong with candles grinding, isn't that a big point that we enjoy doing with friends?
@red perch This is true up and to a point, but not everyone can do that. There really does need to be another option. The trick is making sure that both options continue to exist.