beta-discussion

[lavish pecan]

[azure wolf]

As much as I see alot of older players flying around in such style I thought it'd be cool to add like flying acrobatic courses by sanctuary or something but I haven't thought more than that @limpid pumice I had an idea about this too. I know it'd be very difficult to integrate maybe but like night and day systems but I was thinking for daylight prairie or a few other places could have snug trees and glowing flowers and fireflies....basically that warm cozy cottage core vibe? I notice they use alot of cool toned colors in the game and it'd be nice to have a balance with night time themed scenery and new areas/minimaps

[livid ridge]

Are we still fighting for the cat hair

[spark lance]

I just want more puzzles to solved (Daily puzzles).. Candle grinding does not produce enough dopamine for me to continue playing..

[wild yoke]

Just came back from china social media and heh

[median kelp]

summary: have problems with mask? give feedback and we will see y’all on Monday.

[cosmic orchid]

💸

[flat willow]

I want osu in sky

[pale wing]

Yes this is friendships game, but mostly we need cosmetics for friendship only, if you guys are upset because we only want "cosmetics" you're wrong. We only want to have some good cosmetics without spending any money and still can be friends with someone out there. Sky community are really seeing "friends" depends on their cosmetics. Btw btw this is only my opinion and yes it's not even involved with anything here (I guess) but I just want to say it.

[cursive prism]

for the nyanifications of moths, we must

[spark lance]

yes we are.

[viscid sundial]

Thank you, I had seen Ktjn's msg about how it didn't "fit" in Sky but not these so the extra context is appreciated. The second msg feels weird to me though, since .. weasel mask exists and probably arguably clips worse than old cat mask.
Oh well. I hope they bring it back in some form. I've sent my feedback about it already but I'll likely send more with this new info

[mental helm]

Pretty much so 😅. Maybe we will end this fight when the TGC hears us.. which will never happen

[half plaza]

wish that the events actually had more miniquests (just like the jellyfish on days of sunlight) and it rewards you with something (doesn't have to be a cosmetic)

honestly just feels like the events rn are just a chance to get yearly cosmetics instead of an actual event

[uneven lotus]

How is it over there

[drowsy barn]

I think for me, I want a more fun way to collect wax Candle running can be exhausting and granny event and geyser helps but I really liked the thing in harmony hall where u play the song challenge thing and u get wax out of that

[limpid pumice]

EXACTLY the only thing GOOD about Shattering is the lighting changes, the sunset just kinda sucks in Sanctuary because the lighting is kinda wack, and goes back to daytime afterwards. 💀💀 BUT HAVING A MORNING/DAYLIGHT/EVENING/NIGHT LIGHTINGS WOULD IMPROVE SKY!! !!

It would make settings and pictures more beautiful and having more trees that are not just in forest would give places more of a living feeling. God i wish TGC would do that to their maps.

[north patrol]

Deer mask had some questionable clipping for a period of time too! Thankfully they’ve adjusted that slightly towards the end of 2021, but it had very bad clipping from 2019-2021

[lavish pecan]

Fancy seeing you here, Sqronklw

[kindred quail]

I hate that the most lol

[vocal helm]

🗿🗿

[livid ridge]

I guess if we complain enough, they will eventually release the cat hair ||with high candle price of course||

[spark lance]

Btw what happened to the Violin instrument that was leaked???

[languid kestrel]

Chinese server players are also mad and upset at tgc changing the cat hair from igc to iap which gave them false hope

[solemn pawn]

That would be pretty cool, like have hidden areas with that theming

[wild yoke]

I would say a mess but is amazing everyone couldn’t calm down even racist happened 💀 more amazing than twit yuh
But somebody is like heh iap I’m gonna buy it anyway so they are trying to fight back to the one to fight tgc so it’s players vs players AMAZING

[modest junco]

the flame is decreasing... i'm glad.. please don't stress over this but still send your feedbacks over what you rather see
i don't choose to be selfish, no matter what the situation is, if my fellow skykids find this humiliating then i'd rather be considerate than speak for my own behalf.
and for those of you who've got all the money they need, try to put yourselves in someone else's shoes, walk some miles, and be open minded. stop speaking for your case only, this is a comunity, not a place for selfishness.

[fluid rain]

Civil war

[dusky marsh]

if you havent seen the amount of chinese players joining this server yesterday asking for beta invites....

[median kelp]

I like the Chinese New Year more, I don’t need to go anywhere to do CR, just wait and WALA, a bunch of candles in your hand already, also the seashells is also good too.

[azure wolf]

But everyone's ideas who's played longer sounds really fun and it'd definitely make it more interesting 😭 it'd be cool to have more interactive mini games that give a lil something. Like the music mini game sounds awesome 😭 alot of your guys' ideas would add life to the game. I've only been playing a month and the only thing that's keeping me on is the people I've met and the fact I can play music and fly aimlessly in sanctuary without boosts 😅

[half plaza]

honestly i don't understand why people are mad that the cat hair got changed to iap because it's like "false hope". it's beta, things like this are bound to happen. what i'm upset about the cat hair is that they included it in a (possibly) expensive halloween pack. would've been better if it was sold separately with a lower price

[limpid pumice]

I ate it. Sorry, no violin today. :''

I remember when it was leaked, i was excited for it, but as you can see TGC likes to crush hopes and dreams. 💀

[ancient pike]

There was a leaked violin? When?

[rapid reef]

I wish there was a way to let them know this shouldn't be left as just a cosmetic issue but a bigger issue of TGC(Or for their case, also Netsomething) not listening and mistreating players.

Even here, some players are against eachothers for holding strong opinion, even if not absolutly hostile it can cause some friction. I couldn't imagine how it's like for them..

[raw wasp]

I mean. It was a leak. Its not like TGC wanted it to be known or if it was actually a WIP instrument or a Light Awaits remnant

[lilac solstice]

Dunno. But that's why we don't talk about leaks. It's all stuff that may never even make it into the game.

[drowsy barn]

LMAO I probably only like it because I never do it tbh
in theory, it's a great idea. I can't say for the actual experience though because I did it once and never did it again
@median kelp I would agree with u if I could agree with u lol. I just don't like leaving my phone on forever and its kind of a slow process to collect wax but it's def one of the more lively events which is always great to have

[ashen tusk]

We're not supposed to talk about leaked content here though are we?

[uneven lotus]

@languid kestrel @wild yoke so same as us but more wild and chaotic

[shy knoll]

people r mad because this situation was kinda the final tip of the iceberg for the community, everyone was happy and enjoying the once free cat ears hair and ppl even loved the cat mask but it all just changed because people were loving it. also, they completely botched the cat mask quality once changing it to free item, so ppl r rightfully upset

[spark lance]

Dont give them Ideas

@wild yoke where can i read this juicy Teas?

[cursive prism]

omg THAT violin 💀 no one still knows tbh that leak's literally so old way back when assembly was yet to be announced

[wild yoke]

I tried n they scold back me so nice of them

[keen nimbus]

years ago at this point, they probably didn't release ut because of all the leaks and hackers getting it
its a very pretty sounding instrument tho

[flat willow]

The objective isnt to change the hair for me at least, its about them hearing us and actually listening

[solemn pawn]

Its been in the void for 1 and a half years 😔

[indigo totem]

Are we still talk about the cat hair and the “cat” mask?

[full tiger]

I have a question! I read a rumor that the cat ear mask was set as a gift bag a week ago? Is it true?

[azure wolf]

There was a VIOLIN?

Also speaking of interactive in general
What if they made the krill that we could ride a challenge for the days of mischief? Of course it should show up as an option between players who want the challenge and players who just want to ride on it. But like....make it a bucking krill and players can get a high score and a bit of wax if they hit a milestone haha I have no idea but something to that effect would be kind of funny

[woven crow]

I wonder when reactions will come back

[half plaza]

i mean i guess it would be expected that they'll change the cat hair to iap since everyone clearly showed positive thoughts about it. still, the cat mask downgrade is really bad and just unnecessary imo 💀💀

of course everyone has the right to get mad over it becoming iap (i am too !), i'm just not on the same boat that it's a "false hope" kind of thing

[spring ibex]

The violin took the spotlight, cat hair topic is

[modest junco]

Btw that's true.. beta is bound to change-
and even the cat hair doesn't look like an IGC item
judging from all the people that have been craving for cat hair and mostly cat hair. people were sending to sky "we'd buy no matter what the price is"
artists suggesting the style and prices...
i guess people got extremely hyped when they saw it as an in game currency item to the point that it leaked to the people who don't even follow beta content, and suddenly a bombshell appears.. it is an in app purchase.
i honestly just wish that if they are still going to keep it as an in app purchase, atleast make it an only item for like $9.99
not paired with the bundle

[rapid reef]

Aaaaah. Thought I assume it's understandable with all they are going through IRL and now this added stressor. But you're doing all right. If anything, we in global won't allow this to end as just a cosmetic issue.

This is an ongoing issue that worsen with time after all. Stay safe and remember that you trying to bridge between the two community to keep us aware of what's going on for them is appreciated. It's unfair to ignore what the chinese server is going through just because it's a different server hosted by a different company.

[viscid sundial]

I'm not sure what you mean but this build has only been out for 3 days. If you're asking whether it was part of a pack then yes, but it switched spots with cat hair, and the mask is now in game currency

[ancient pike]

Guys can we actually have discussions about the Days of Mischief and the good parts and the bugs (both funny and not)?

I understand you’re all upset but it’s time we put this to rest.

Cat Hair was likely always meant for IAP, and the best thing I can say is get over it.
Life moves on.
I understand you want to be heard (I do too), however we gotta get this build polished so that the Live players can enjoy it to the fullest!

[ashen tusk]

I haven't seen anybody being racist here but @wild yoke if you've witnessed that then it's important you share that in #contact-the-mods urgently so it can be dealt with. It's best not to talk about a serious situation like that as if it's amusing.

Also @full tiger we've only had 19.0 for going on 3 days now so we aren't privy to any decisions made weeks ago unless devs communicate them. The mask was intended as IGC it seems and the hair as IAP.

jy__1203 please stop encouraging people to go spectate arguments amongst players, it's not productive nor within the spirit of the sky community.

[flat willow]

Omg you just gave me the best idea... A minigame where you fight the krill somehow... And you can actually lose winged light if you lose??

[wild yoke]

Download xiao hong shu the war is so amazing duh it’s players vs players 💀
but ig you needed some translation for that if you dk Chinese (sorry for the 3minutes )

@rapid reef they dc abt anything Ig they just wanted the hair to be free again tried nothing happened
Oh and can I ss ur massage to post at there

[limpid pumice]

Around I'd say around season of Dreams?? It was leaked by hackers and hackers played it and so many players wanted it. But it seems like TGC themselves don't know when to put it out for Beta to test.

@raw wasp Again this was back during around season of Dreams, and they still don't have the Violin out, kinda just seems like they trashed it... :''

TGC has removed hacker videos before and they can do it again but like some said, we kinda aren't allowed on this topic- though i just wanted to add onto it sorry, hypocritical i know.

@azure wolf Having mini games would be fun! I would also hope they would make hide n seek have more of a distance range, because if you're too far away you get kicked out of the game. :''

[prime jasper]

Cat hair was not meant for IAP. Bug update report has stated that a cat hair cosmetic is meant to be updated for an IGC

[cursive prism]

When everyone assumed it'll be on assembly but no violin showed up and and there still is no violin showing up even after a yr and a half already 💀💀

[cosmic orchid]

I feel like they're just looking at us at disdain because the whole situation wouldn't escalate this much if they launched the cat hair as IAP on the first build, as was planned

[opaque cipher]

Hmm so it is believed that the violin was hacked because it was planned for Assembly because certain violin animations were updated before that, and then the violin supposedly was coming for Little Prince (it totally fits the area) and they had problems with the note sustaining, so it's possible they will release it now because they finally figured out the fermata mechanic during performance

[azure wolf]

Yall I STG they have got to try making a krill mini game a thing for the Days of Mischief! Like it's still a thing that could happen too I'd hope! Is there a way we could at all encourage that 😭😭 @limpid pumice @flat willow had some good ideas too 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[ancient pike]

And the amount of times we have had to say that this is misinformation that just got to us late is honestly astronomical.

Please, mods, devs, make and pin a message with all the information so this stops.

[ashen tusk]

Ktjn did ask us if we'd have reacted the same way had it been IAP from the start
To be fair if they had just released it as IAP it's likely none of this discussion would be happening, at least not at this level of intensity.

[full tiger]

Well, there's a rumor in China that cat hair was confirmed as a gift bag a week ago. I also question them. The game has only been up for three days. How do they know about this?

[wild yoke]

Nooo I meant they tried to attack me cuz I’m not from china that’s all

[limpid pumice]

Krill kiddie ride for one coin and it rocks you back n forth when? !?

[prime jasper]

Last Beta-updates channel mention was
“a feline-inspired hairstyle is currently planned for in-game currency”

So yes, TGC DID change it because of the high popularity of the item. It was originally planned to be IGC, but was changed to IAP because of the high popularity

[cosmic orchid]

No
Cat hair as planned to be IAP a week ago
the first build was just outdated with the decisions
it was meant to be IAP

[solemn pawn]

Like, I believe people would still be upset, but not nearly as mad as right now

[halcyon quail]

The devs thought about it a week ago but we only got to know once this release launched 3 days ago

[opaque cipher]

Here is my write up I submitted a few months ago in feedback. I totally see these being in game:

Like, Days of Fortune could be in the starlight beach area. There could be a little area at forest's for Days of Love with a gondola that floats around the pond. Bloom could stay at the entrance of forest. Days of Nature is permanent. Days of Rainbow could move to the empty desert in ark and have a game where you have to solve color based puzzles like colored crabs you have to line up and rainbow circles you have to fly through. Anniversary should stay temporary. Days of Sunlight could be put in the treehouse instead of in grandma's space. Days of Summer and Summer Lights could be put on the outer isles of Sanctuary. Days of Mischief could be on the outside of the shipwreck in wasteland. Days of Feast could be put in valley in a new cave entrance on the outside of the ice rink. Days of healing could be just a bunch of flowers that cover the butterfly fields and if you polinate them all you get some wax.

[modest junco]

Yessss! i think it'd be cool if they add more items to igc.
and also, WE NEED A SPOOKY HAIRPIN PURCHASED BY CANDLES!
the blue krill should have like 4 areas to sit,(or maybe 8?) it'd be cooler with more players on.
true though. the cat hair was not meant to be an IGC item, lets not look desperate and just get used to it, i hate looking like this
however, i think with further updates, days of mischief may be more fun than last year's!

[narrow narwhal]

I don't think I'd consider so many IAPs as much of an issue if it wasn't for the fact they make the prices pretty high for what they are they'd make more profit if they were more affordable so more players can purchase them, I don't see why a single cape needs to cost $20

[agile hazel]

If it had been IAP from the start we would have been 'yelling in the streets' level angry, not full on revolution lol

It's also the really bad timing and mistake that it came first as IGC then switched. It made it look like TGC switched it overnight

[cursive prism]

Yeah, it does have a really cute design on level with the witch hair hat. So if they released it as an iap from the start it'll just be like an "ok understandable" moment.

[flat willow]

I believe people wouldnt even be upset, just disappointed because barely giving f2p cosmetics has become a common occurence now

[stable lily]

What
Life moves on?
So we're just gonna ignore they just guilt trip the whole community?

[ancient pike]

What are you confused about?

[wind dragon]

As a f2p, I'm disappointed that they changed the cat hairstyle to iap. Now there's no chance to get it and I loved it

[limpid pumice]

Fr. ^^

[solemn pawn]

The Chinese community is filled with a lot of hackers, that's probably why they know

[azure wolf]

@limpid pumice hahaha for the moths that would be absolutely perfect it'd help slightly with their fears 🥺@opaque cipher also there was more events?? They have so many amazing ideas flowing in from yall and all they can focus on is IAPs 😭😭 I would LOVE to see these because it would encourage the idea of seasons too and the lighting could maybe change with the season events or something I don't know 🥴

[little oak]

We also have to take in consideration for the Chinese server, China is going through an economic crisis

[prime jasper]

There are 4 IGC items for days of mischief. 3 from last year. Only 1 is new and “free” Then we have cat cape, cat hair, spooky bat, witch tunic, and etc for all the IAP

[modest junco]

trust me they'd seperate it and make it $10.
that's the most they can do
not bad though, better than before.
although i won't buy it, i'll have to go with aurora's items

[analog sun]

People have been discussing the event
Just because you don’t find the topic fruitful doesn’t mean you can to tell people to “get over it”

[uneven lotus]

Assuming that there were some miscommunications between the devs, that's one huge, vital problem imo which could result in even more serious mistakes. I mean, how can your team be productive if you can't even communicate correctly with each other?? They really, really have to do something about it.

[agile hazel]

TGC don't control the Chinese servers. Netease does and they control the prices

[ashen tusk]

Exactly, like don't get me wrong, we're all clearly over them making so many IAPs or at least making them expensive (still can't really comment much on the price currently since it's not even been announced but based on previous packs we can guestimate), but if they hadn't made the mistake of releasing it as IGC first then we probably wouldn't have gone to such lengths of debate. That and the initial handling of the situation wasn't the best on their part.

Anyways, I think it's healthy to criticise constructively and it's always good as a consumer to question the motives of companies that expect money from us, but eventually something has to give and I don't think we'll be hearing until early next week as Whirthun told us earlier. Hopefully things will cool off soon, but we can continue to feedback concerns in the meantime whilst we wait for a response.

[woeful galleon]

Why are you putting your personal life here? I know you’re a human too but that’s not our fault, you’re overworked. Idk who’s forcing you to do this but putting your personal life here to calm down the community? No this is just worsening. TGC hasn’t listened to their players clearly with respectfully.

[limpid pumice]

People want to talk about the IAP because there is too much in the Mischief event, and only a bare few of free/candle purchase wise, TGC barely listened to feedback during the testing of Shattering, and now had something pulled away from what every player could have enjoyed. They want their voices heard by the whole staff.

[stable lily]

I don't agree with the fact of this cat hair being IAP and claimed "It's always an IAP" we don't know that.

The company has the potential to lie knowing this community can just lick it off and play it off.

Besides, days of mischief has A LOT of IAPs and yet the IGC items are barely there

Why can't we just give the f2p players a cosmetic that they deserve?

Not to mention, we don't know the TS WILL COME during that day, who knows it's expensive like what happened during TLP

I understand you want everyone to calm down but I'm pretty sure this community won't knowing TGC has been doing the same pattern for 2 years ever since TLP

Not to mention, the guilt trip was an unprofessional movement, it's their responsibility and I respect them for dealing with all of this backlash but man, it feels like they're scamming us as well.

[little oak]

@agile hazel Thank you for the info and clarification

[halcyon quail]

Ktjn has already apologized for that I don't think we should bring it up to them any more

[cursive prism]

u know ur last statement was a bit contradicting to what u said on the first half of it 💀 u said cat hair is meant to be iap so we have to "just get over it" and "move on" then u go and proceed to say u understand what it feels like to want to be heard? If u've been in this community for way long enough you WOULD understand and u wouldn't be saying that in the first place tbh

[novel aspen]

If TGC can reverse their decision on turning a formerly IAP (santa hat) into IGC because of complaints, then clearly it’s not too difficult for them to change their pricing of items due to community backlash, so surely they can listen to us and reverse turning the cat hair from IGC to IAP. Just makes me angry, because they listened to folks last time, so hopefully they will this time

[rapid reef]

This issue is not just about a cosmetic. It's important to remind players that a lot of us are not feeling treated respectfully as customers or even as mere players by TGC. The cosmetic was a tipping point in a aerie of accumulated mistreatment the community kept silent or was brushed under the rug.

Many do not feel heard and while we understand this is not ideal for a lot of players, it can't continue on either. We want TGC to improve, not make us feel as if we had no relevance as customers and as players.

As for what's going on with the chinese server. They seem to only care about the cosmetic. Which is fine but also we aren't going to allow it to just be a cosmetic issue here in global. With the hope the ripple effect will reach the chinese server even if just a little.

As a paying customer. I stand with the community that IAPs are too much for too expensive of a price and our feedbacks and reports often feel as if it fall on deaf ears.

As a side note. This is really just my opinion but I do genuinely beliebe TGC as a company is not heading in the right direction for the game and community they have created.

[ancient pike]

[Reply to Ezrail]
Ktjn acknowledged and apologized for the guilt-tripping, let’s not indulge this further.

[Reply to Kitanero]
It’s probably not going to change so it’s easier for everyone to just move on and work efficiently. And also we need to get rid of cooldown.

[Reply to Wen]
In-depth reply WIP.

[azure wolf]

My soul hurts💀 there's so many things that could be done slowly to make the game better for players... I understand everyone's frustration/anger....but we're practically at the mercy of tgc to change some aspects and if not obviously people are gonna keep quitting 🥲

[tranquil shuttle]

I already bought the pack before update and didn’t purchase cat hair in beta with candels. So, now I can’t get the hair bcs I already bought pack without hair?

[woeful galleon]

Oh, I don't know this. Thank you for telling me this!

[prime jasper]

I can understand the high price of the items always being at least 10-20 dollars because the apple store will always take a % from them so now hey have to compensate.

What I’m saying what I don’t like is the fact SO MUCH is IAP when it becomes a popular item. It’s been happening with seasons of popular items being moved to an ULT reward (bonfire item, popular capes, fancy outfits) instead of in the tree like planned. I love TGC, but it’s becoming very, very obvious what they’re trying to do. And it’s going to suck.

I’m still going to buy what I like and when I have some spending money since I spend a lot of time on this game, but it will deter players to staying. They’re not creating player retention, they’re creating player tension.

[uneven lotus]

Yes, unfortunately

[stable lily]

Adamn, with all due respect, days of mischief had enough of IAPs to sell

If we're just going to ignore the fact that the item has switched to IAP then TGC will make the same mistake over and over again.

We can't just "Move on" you're not the only voice of this community. You can't tell people to just move on because some of them are literally free to play players who can't obtain the hair due to financial problems.

[halcyon quail]

It's alright, guessed you didn't see the rest of their messages which can happen

Also the cooldown is painful, things seem to have calmed down a bit haven't they?
Edit: makes sense, still painful tho

Edit2: @azure wolf it's fine (saving my message rn)

[empty frigate]

even if it was a mistake, imo the right thing to do would be to acknowledge the mistake and just let us have this cosmetic as igc

edit: sorry for ping

[modest junco]

wait they did? i honestly feel bad bcs i don't think they entirely meant to guilt trip.
and the cat hair thing, it's beta. bound to change. get used to it.
if you want to fight for costumer rights and respect, don't use the cat hair as a tool. that hair doesn't even LOOK like an in game currency item. and yes tgc is annoying at this but so are we 💀
i'm just being honest, although i know i'll be in trouble for saying this when the flames are still spreading
they just need to add more IGC cool (worth it) items, not reduce IAP items

[tranquil shuttle]

So i will not have the hair in both beta and live! Thanks!

[limpid pumice]

Lets not force people to swap topics, there was zero communication at first about this cat hairstyle, that's on TGC and the fact there are still people unaware that ktjn apologized for this, i was unaware as well. There is enough IAPs and a barely a handful for the F2P players it isn't fair they get a downgraded recolor of the default mask to be their item to get.. People want to buy things too, and with TGC still not listening feedback and from not listening to feedback on Shattering it is still bad on their part for not having a communication with the community. It is still about the event topic.

[drifting pebble]

Give me back my free cat head!

[prime jasper]

They speak for us all!!!

[analog sun]

It may be easier for some ppl to just roll over and accept TGC's continued mistakes but telling people to "get over it" and "move on" is not something we're obliged to do at all

[stable lily]

"Get used to it" Nah this isn't something you should be used to if TGC themselves claimed that this game shouldn't be focused on cosmetics 😭👍 /nm

[uneven lotus]

You will still be able to obtain it in live so don't worry! What you do in beta do not impact your live account because they are two different apps

[agile hazel]

Yeah, it was meant to be 'I'm doing this to show I care' but it was poorly worded and came off the wrong way

[novel aspen]

Not if they’re F2P they won’t

[rare birch]

so what i'm getting here is cat hair was f2p at first and now it's gonna be iap? genuinely asking cause i haven't visited the office in beta yet 😭

[jade arrow]

Even i thought the cat hair looked like an IAP and that says a lot. Guess we should just get used to F2P players having the last slice of bread like any other games.

[azure wolf]

Ahem...this💀 alot of people are trying to live post pandemic...inflation...job losses or anything really...and I know some people including myself who got on here to just kind of escape for a little bit. So to see the rise in prices for a few items people want to add to their character we have to kind of just not buy it 🤷🏻‍♀️
Obtaining candles and hearts takes a LONG time and it's starting to feel like another job...granted take a break Ig or add more people? But what's the fun in that when I've made friends on here too or what about the people who are incredibly socially anxious and wanna warm up a bit to the game?

[wind dragon]

Yes unfortunately. Tgc is being a bit scummy imo

[viscid sundial]

I think there's enough IAP in Mischief already. Maybe not for players that have bought everything (all that money.. feelsbad), but more than enough for players who are newer? There's no harm in more IGC items, except grinding for candles which is an issue for another discussion...

[broken gyro]

days of mischief IAPS ALONE are $119.91 how are we supposed to get used to it dude
its exclusive to other players who cant afford it

[cosmic orchid]

just goes to show how they view f2p people only deserving crumbs

[woeful galleon]

IAP:
witch hair
witch horns
bat cape
pumpkin hair
pumpkin prop
spider hair
bone cape
cat hair
cat cape
cat prop
witch clothes

F2P:
witch hair
marple cape
table
cAt mAsk

[tranquil shuttle]

I know but in live it will not be free. So I can’t purchase it.

[spark lance]

days of mischief already have a lot of IAPs...
what if TGC do it again next?
I don't really want to Sky become "pay money to get comestic" game
F2P player doesn't deserve better? They're also customer

I don't want to get to used it, knowing nothing good is going on since they hid the price in beta 💀

[north patrol]

I mean, I don’t think it should be an IAP just because it doesn’t look like an IGC item. As someone said the previous day, the cat hair issue was just a catalyst for this reaction, since similar problems have happened before.

You telling people to get used to it doesn’t entirely seem very nice. Similarly, if we reverse the situation. I don’t think you’d like it if your IAPs suddenly turned to IGCs in Beta next patch, would you? I don’t think you’d settle for that so easily and “get used to it”.

[wild yoke]

How’s it going Just done eating lunch

[limpid pumice]

Very uneven indeed. :''

[little oak]

The cat mask looks like spider man😭

[median kelp]

Sakura hair can also doesn’t look like igc, the Christmas chair can also doesn’t look like igc, rainbow pants can also doesn’t look like igc, the Mischief chair and the curly hair can also doesn’t look like igc. Just you know, everyone have different opinion and perspective.

[stable lily]

Watch the hair become 100+ candles if it switched back to IGC I'm done with this company man 💀

But since you guys can't let other people discuss the past actions of this company's poorly made actions, you're holding them to leash tbh

[spark lance]

Naw why there so many iap

[spark lance]

🤣🤣

[jagged grove]

So much for "balancing out" between igc and iaps That's just wayyyy too much

[signal folio]

If sky keeps creating blatantly better quality items for IAPs is argue that goes against their supposed game ethos. Games that do this spiral into toxicity.

Animal Jam is an extreme case study. People who couldn't pay for membership couldn't wear or have nice things and where treated like they were invisible, less than, and subhuman even for an online space

[indigo totem]

TOO MANY IAPs TGC should stop making IAPs and start doing some IGC

[prime jasper]

This is what I’m talking about for days of mischief. We would NOT be this upset if the tables was reversed.

120 dollars worth of IAP if you want to 100% the game. If you only want two items you’d be spending at least 20-30 dollars Z

[spark lance]

But TGC is a small indie Company, they need the money for the servers

[cerulean lance]

bro i legit thought it was 50/50 at first i didnt realise how uneven it is 😭

[azure wolf]

@halcyon quail I'm sorry somehow my reply was to the wrong person it was actually for @stable lily haha my apologies 💀

[wind dragon]

Yea very good f2p items, it's worth it for my candles to go to waste /s

[cold coral]

[ancient pike]

[Reply to Wen]
I know when it’s time for me to quit on one subject and work on another.
I haven’t been in this community that long but I have almost 18 years of experience of longing to be listened to, so yes. I do know what it’s like to want to be heard.
But I also know what things are a lost cause. We’re probably not gonna get it as an IGC, as that seems to be a concrete decision (but it IS STILL BETA so it could change).

[Reply to Jay]
(Don’t worry about the ping, it helps me figure out who and what to reply to.) I do think that would’ve been the most ideal course of action, but c’est la vie.

[Reply to Kitanero and in general]
I’m not FORCING anyone to get over it, I’m not FORCING anything, I don’t have the jurisdiction to do so, but what I’m TRYING to do is encourage a different topic that actually leads somewhere, whereas this current conversation topic sounds like a broken record. I just have the wrong words.

And of course I do think it’s concrete but it’s also in beta so who knows. I wouldn’t waste my breath nor hold it not get my hopes up. But you do you.

I’m done with these conversations (mostly because having almost 5 people breathing down your neck is fun) now.

[drifting pebble]

Netease in China also has a very big perfunctory.And now thatgame company has the same problem too!

[woeful galleon]

okay that’s fine but look these IAP items are a lot and their prices were not cheap tho :)) they were way too expensive

[rare birch]

well that's not fair, all the iaps before look nice but they are locked with money. last days of mischief f2p players only got a new hair, table and cape (which made me feel dirty )

like,, if we dont get good f2p cosmetics for the upcoming days of mischief.. i don't know... :(

edit: hair and table set are alright imo tho

[potent juniper]

I'd just like to say something;
It's 👏 not 👏 about 👏 the 👏 cat👏 hair 👏 anymore.👏

[shy inlet]

Didn't you say that the government has made large-scale investment? How could it be a small company🤔🤔

[sour edge]

The worse thing is that it’s true :,D

[modest junco]

I am really not pleased with the cat mask AT ALL.
but remember, they said it's still WIP.
so with the upcoming undates, it will change and hopefully to the best.
and when it comes to the IGC items, i'm not happy that they're surprisingly few. and this is what we need to fight for. not the cat hair only, but also for them to add better and cooler items to the ingame currency side. other than making so much noise over removing what's in the IAP side to the IGC. (not including the cat hair since it was previously an IGC item though it was a mistake )
we have a month til days of mischief, i believe by then, we may be introduced to wonderful items for IGC.

[empty frigate]

i just dont feel respected as a customer tbh
and i am a customer, im not f2p

[solid mural]

We should all agree and give Sky a star.

[spark lance]

please don't use "tgc is small company" as excuse
I'm sick of hearing it

[uneven lotus]

@novel aspen @tranquil shuttle Ohhh so that's what you meant. I'm so sorry for misunderstanding
I hope we'll be able to sort things out with TGC nevertheless

[stable lily]

That's what I've been trying to think about, not to mention that countries like the Philippines the IAP prices are really expensive here

It cost for like ₱500-₱1,000 here, of course I'll be so frustrated if the item I like is locked UNDER IAP

[indigo totem]

It’s not an excuse. TGC has grown up so much but they started to not care about players
I’m sick of this “TGC is a small company”

[ashen tusk]

I haven't seen anybody utter the words "tgc is a small company" as an excuse in the entire time I've been in this channel, the only people typing that are those who are angry about it being said so I'm confused

[worldly creek]

Agree - that has been an excuse I seen since I joined Sky

[spark lance]

Just move on, you already said you will Buy it, no reason for you to explain yourself

@shy inlet @indigo totem I was being sarcastic..

[wind dragon]

Yeah the table and hair are worth it but the others are eh
Always the good things locked with money. Never "decent" for f2p. They know what they're doing. They're becoming scummier and scummier everytime

[cosmic orchid]

tbh we have no grounds with all our complaints because they can dismiss it all with the "Everything in beta is subject to change", even with the patchnotes
we're in beta, their testing ground
so everything we do and say is for the sake of feedback
and given that they sort which ones they find useful, or rants are in vain (looking at you hidden IAP prices)

[jagged grove]

And it also doesn't help that DoM is coming back with returning items mostly on the f2p side. The only thing left to offer is the cat mask atm

[halcyon quail]

I don't think review bombing will accomplish anything, it's fine if you think sky deserves one star but don't encourage review bombing for any game. We are doing enough leaving feedback and discussing this in here

[ancient pike]

Those two conversations have NOTHING to do with eachother.

[wild yoke]

Yes same they were all saying tgc is just a small company they don’t need this much money

[limpid pumice]

I keep seeing this excuse and I'm gonna throw my phone if i read it again and they're being genuine.

[potent juniper]

I've seen it happen quite a bit, and it's such a bad excuse at this point. TGC has earnt probably, honestly more than they used to from this game being up for 3 years, and they've expanded. If they're doing Collab's now, that's proof that they're bigger.
They have grown from what they once were (a small company) , and some people don't see that.

[modest junco]

I'd actually feel better about it.💀
i'm a student sooo...
and also, i'd understand it's beta. i don't have that much of a buget, what i meant is, i'd also love if the cat hair was to be put back to an in game currency item, but we need to get over it, looking desperate doesn't make anything better... or atleast in my case..
idk honestly, do what makes you feel better, it was just an advice to stop this stretched unnecessary drama...

[sour edge]

I just found out about the whole situation, can someone explain to me what’s happening? ;-;

[spark lance]

Honestly it was never really ever about the cat hair I believe, I think that was just the last straw we had.

They have always seen that when a large amount of players show they like something, they change it to IAP the majority of the time. Making the IGC items much more downgraded than before. Kind of like the cat mask.

And then guilt tripping players into making them feel bad for them for working overtime and missing out of activities outside of work. Those who said that didn't have to bring that up nor was it even relevant.
It's just sad to say that they're being pretty greedy and thinking too much about money rather than their community based feelings and feedback.

[solid mural]

Yes, but the problem is that we are not solving anything and TGC is not listening to us.

[harsh solar]

Random question but does ₱1 feels like 1 dollar to you? (Like in Korean Won 1000 won is similar to 1 dollar to Korean so 1 won ≠ 1 dollar) If so, that's like paying 500 dollars —concerning tbh

[rare birch]

there's definitely at one point during the whole tlp iaps ordeal

[azure wolf]

Respectfully I would like to be able to pay for some things but I don't want to put money into a game that won't progress more than what it is. If there was more focus on everything else but IAPs and more willingness to hear what people have to say without it breaking into a war I'd consider dropping money into this but I kinda just wanna hang on to my money 😅
Like I understand it's hard to work on a constantly changing game but that's the thing...from what I'm hearing things have been constantly the same....

[cursive prism]

Exactly, it has ALWAYS been like a broken record, and this is what happens when ppl snap from the never ending toxic positivity of sky's community. We need their voices for the change. Bcus it has ALWAYS been like this and we also deserve the change we want. Heck, the cat hair isn't even that much tbh. They already have a heck ton of iap's up and making the cat hair igc isn't much of a loss to them

[spark lance]

I can pretty sure this way is useless because it's not like Genshin tho
TGC still make more worst thing even all give 1 star only

[iron nacelle]

today i will create more iaps

[prime jasper]

There was a super cute Cat Hair cosmetic and it was planned for an IGC (in game currency) but after having super popularity among players it turned into an IAP overnight and it was played off as it always being intended as an IAP. We know it’s false TGC; you can just admit your mistake

[agile hazel]

Same and I've been here for the vast majority of this mess since it started. The closest thing defenders have said to that is 'TGC needs to make money' etc

[worldly creek]

Don’t just throw it - burn it into ashes

[ashen tusk]

I know it happens in the community at large but I mean in this specific channel during this specific discussion, the only people who I've seen saying that are the people who get mad when that excuse is used or they are being sarcastic when they've said it, which is why I just don't think mentioning it is very productive

[fiery ice]

review bombing won't help anything even if you said it worked for other games ircc.

What's really needed right now is for tgc to just realize and read the feedbacks for crying out loud.. which will never even happen

[stable lily]

Lesson learned:
Stop sugarcoating everyone here and say move on, good or bad feedback let them express it. We have different views so stop shutting people off because you wish this whole community to calm down, telling them to do will make the fire worse due to frustrations 😭

@harsh solar not really

I was surprised some people pay their groceries for like less than $10 because in my country, a full grocery is in between ₱4,000 - ₱6,000

[viscid sundial]

Better to "look desperate" aka just provide opinions and feedback, than not raise enough noise for TGC to do something, which has happened plenty times before

[shy inlet]

More and more things cost money. But the server quality is still just as bad.

[north patrol]

Ahh, perhaps I misunderstood your message.

But honestly, I remember beta chat rarely flares up like this. The last time something like this happened was during LP season in Beta and DoR. And whenever they flared up to this extent, TGC actually did something about it. I believe they won’t listen until a large amount of players keep pushing for change.

[waxen charm]

- did tgc already made a move yet? Because idk what's gonna happen here

[spark lance]

From what i have noticed, you are fairly a new player (which you admitted yourself) and you don't have an issue with buying all IAP (which u said yourself that you'll buy em all). I don't understand why u are so keen on supporting tgc when u don't understand the underlying issue here. This is not just about cat hair. Tgc has a habit of pulling these kind of stunts and the Devs reply only added to the frustration. We love sky and the direction that it is going in is what's stressing everyone.

[wild yoke]

So apparently tgc made a hair it’s supposed to be a iap but they put it in igc one day turn it became iap n we’re very disappointed on this

@fallen heath agree with that

[novel aspen]

Maybe there could be some compromise: putting it as an IAP for this year’s event, but next year it could return as IGC (with TGC stating so ahead of time so people don’t have an excuse to throw a fit that it’s unfair or whatever)

[shadow stratus]

3 devs have said and explained the situation, the hair was planned to go IAP, but the patch didnt had that yet. The change was made before the hair got popularity, also the mask change too, the team wasnst aware that we liked it

[limpid pumice]

@fallen heath
🎶We didn't start the fire It was always burning, since the world's been turning We didn't start the fire
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it🎵

[wind dragon]

Nope and probably won't ever will until the playerbase drops

[solid mural]

We've never tried it and we'll never know how they'll react until we do. I have hope.

[little oak]

I believe it would help, and it wouldn't be review bombing, because there is actually more problems with the game. The cat hair was just the breaking point.

[clever cradle]

im hoping either they make the cat hair igc again or they make the cat mask pretty (and actually look like a cat) again and make the iap cheap

[spark lance]

"TGC is a small indie company"

Now throw it to the moon, and wish that TGC doesn't become more predatory in the next events

[sage haven]

You should probably clarify that this is all beta and not something that occurred in the live version of the game.

[halcyon quail]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions about it being malicious honestly, even if it feels like it and could very much be but I know miscommunications can happen and have happened in the beta updates channel so it wouldn't surprise me if they really planned to put the hair as iap.

Either way this has mostly evolved into a discussion about iap prices and the sheer quantity of iap items vs igc items in DoM

[lime spire]

wow, this place is like a war zone

[prime jasper]

It was intentional, but not meant to be malicious.

[ashen tusk]

I've pointed this out to somebody else before and I'll mention it again, they have every right to be in this channel talking about their own thoughts as any of us, just because they don't align with yours doesn't mean they need to leave.

@viscid sundial agreed 100% on that!

[viscid sundial]

Review bombing a live game over a situation in beta, that is subject to change, is really not the way to go. Now THAT is desperate

[potent juniper]

The fact that we have to push so much for changes shows the negligence TGC has towards their community right now. And if the mischief event is around 120 usd as I saw someone say last night, that is one day of groceries alone (for my family and I). 'but tgc is a small company. NO, they are not as small as they once were, and we should stop acting like that. They have a merch store, people buy candle packs regularly, they should at least be able to move 3-4 Iap's to igc, they can handle the loss of 3-4 In app purchases.

[agile hazel]

Well it's the weekend for them, don't know what you expect them to do rn. We just have to wait until Monday

Also on another note, the 'people saying TGC is a small company is stupid' argument that keeps popping up is starting to get more annoying than the defenders tbh when literally no-one has said that since the start of this mess

[boreal shell]

I'm just tired of tgc, I went to the playstore and rated them with 1 star with a very crude but honest commentary. I feel no compassion for a company that brags about wholesomeness while they are fake about it

[near tiger]

"The team wasnt aware that we liked it ?" Its a april fool joke ?

[azure wolf]

But that would mean everyone would have to stop fighting over the cat cosmetics and agree for more changes than just changes based on one event...(?) Because right now that's what everyone's talking about (rightfully so like you said breaking point) but we would collectively have to push for more to be heard

[rare birch]

review bombing in general is not gonna make anything better. like ik we all disagree on it, but that's like a step too far

[wild yoke]

Everyone tried to tell this but what we have gotten is a fight back of other players saying that
“Just admit it tgc just wanted our money”
“U’re rich why don’t you just give money to tgc”
“U’re saying just cuz ur Malaysian rich”
“Tgc dog”
And others

[spark lance]

It's still useless y'know even we try it , I just want TGC really listening our feedback and then make adjustments , this is the attitude the company should have towards its customers. TGC already make a lot of worse thing to us and didn't listening plus they have toxic positive players to "protect" TGC

[solid mural]

We can do both, nobody prevents us. I think we should do something that hasn't been done before. We cannot expect different results doing the same thing.

[wind dragon]

I forgot about the weekend thingy oops. Let's see then
Anyways yeah that excuse is annoying

[shadow stratus]

There was literally a period of a bit less than 24 hours between patch 1 and two, so yes, they did the changes without being aware of it

@woven crow that was internal misinformation of whoever wrote the post, it actially recently happend with the live second half of shattering release, where they had to edit 3 times the part about the masks

[limpid pumice]

❌ REVIEW BOMBING WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING AND IF CAT HAIR DOES GO BACK TO BEING IGC YOU'LL GO BACK JUST TO FIX THE REVIEW. ❌

[woven crow]

But In the patch updates before all of this started they literally said that a feline styled hair was planned to come as in game currency or something along those lines, so yes they most likely did change it due to popularity or else the update notes would have said otherwise even if it wasn't the same in-game. The person you're replying to has already stated that and you can go see for yourself in the beta updates channel ^^ kind of sucky I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt ://

[thorn temple]

Its only beta, review bombing shouldn't be done because of a beta of a game

[quartz tangle]

this thing will not done anytime soon

[flat willow]

Omg youre remiding me of my childhood trauma in club penguing

ALSO OMG IT LITERALLY SENT AN HOUR AFTER I SENT IT DISCORD???

[little oak]

Exactly, we have to tackle one thing at a time though. If tgc is so stubborn about this imagine them dealing with other problems.

[halcyon quail]

What I understood about the mask change was that it did not fit sky's artstyle so they changed it and I imagine (and hope) that the current version is not final and will change to resemble the old design (because it does not look like a cat)

[cedar yew]

I always rate 1 star because of other problems that comes out every updates or so
So jokes on you if you think I need to change it/j

[gritty sluice]

But this iap stuff has been happening in live too tbf. It’s not contained to beta

[ashen tusk]

They asked if the topic can focus on feature testing of the event, you don't have to do that if you don't want to.

Also folks just to reiterate, the cat hair was planned as igc and then they changed their mind before we received the first build but the first build didn't reflect this decision change which is why they released a second build a day later. The patch notes were miscommunication.

[viscid sundial]

If you want to "review bomb" go ahead but maybe don't do it over just cat hair. Cat hair is still beta content and something will likely be done about it because of all this backlash.
Focusing on their shady practices like increasing prices (both in candles leading to endless grinding, and increase in IAPs in general) and the overall toxicity of FOMO (fear of missing out) in the game would be better. Just saying

[spark lance]

They were "testing the waters" if the community will like the cosmetic

Btw question for everyone: Does review bombing even work? I think even with 1 star reviews it will not affect the app, I've seen it on other games before

[rapid reef]

People saying this is just beta;
A lot of reports and feedbacks about bugs FROM BETA ended up released in the live version WITHOUT A FIX. Despite players bringing it up very adamantly and TGC didn't even delay anything. Just let the entire server make a huge deal out of it before realising OH this new season of FILLED WITH INTENSE BUG AND ISSUES. Sorry, let us fix it NOW and not back when the beta brought it up!

While the cosmetic was a breaking point for most. Things in beta often never changes unless it's a seasonal spirit's tree. And end up often just released into live as is.

[north patrol]

I agree. It’s disappointing honestly. Why do us customers have to push so much for the bare minimum respect.

[near tiger]

Man... Its obvious all players in any game love cat thing... Stop this joke...

[clever cradle]

we still have a while for halloween event dont we? ( first timer here, not sure when it happens) so we have a bit of time to try our best and get the cat hair stuff situated i just hope tgc listens to us and stops giving f2p players all the mediocre stuff

[azure wolf]

Wait and see what happens?
Also @little oak I hate bringing this up but good example is fire trial bug lmao

[fiery ice]

Do you mind back reading a bit to see Mellow Vale's message about review bombing?
This is still all in beta and not in live but I'm pretty sure you cant even place a single review in the sky beta app. Once an IAP is released in Live, there is no way tgc would change it to an igc because of the Review Bombing.

People who will buy that IAP will waste their money and wait for a refund then cause problems if that was the case.

[solid mural]

Exactly me for example I have not wanted to install the most recent update because I always get hurt in all the new updates and honestly I'm already tired.

[prime jasper]

DO NOT REVIEW BOMB!!
Apple will either

-FLAG YOUR APPLE ACCOUNT AS HACKED DUE TO SUDDEN INFLUX OF 1 STAR REVIEWS

Or the most likely scenario

• They will REMOVE THE APP from App Store until it is RESOLVED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE

[signal folio]

Yay different flavors of being traumatized and treated like a worthless person for trivial reasons. I love how child friendly kids online games are 😍😍😍

[ancient pike]

I do understand the issue and I’m not saying I support it.
I just have plans for my money and don’t intend to stray (no pun intended) from my path.
And also I just don’t think arguing about it when the event needs to be tested some more is fruitful in the long run, but that’s just my two cents.

Anyways I am now done here tonight, people, please stop bothering me.

[cursive prism]

Imagine if they just remove the cat hair to not cause anymore drama 💀 ahh yes, ✨avoidance✨

[shadow stratus]

Changes were still made before public reaction

[median kelp]

Or they will just delete the comments as they have the power to do

[indigo totem]

Oh no no 💀 then the community would start a bigger war

[thorn temple]

@azure wolf

I fully am fine if you review badly of the game because of Live iap stuff. Im only talking about the people wanting to review bomb because of beta issues

I also just dont support review bombing

[spark lance]

if they do it , I'm sure they will still release it after 1 years or 2 years 💀

[stable lily]

You guys will actually gonna review bomb? 💀

As someone who seen whatever the hell the genshin fandom is doing, review bombing won't work y'all

[halcyon quail]

It most likely was a case of miscommunication, it has happened a few times already in the beta updates channel so it's not hard to believe.

I'm not defending them but I want to be fair

[potent juniper]

TGC are forgetting people who cannot afford their amazing premium supporting their 'small company' items and handing the mediocre ones to people like myself who cannot afford to buy it. You cannot deny they're greedy at this point, as there are 11 in app purchases. Not only are they not listening to us, they have ignored the f2p players for too long.
'but tgc is a small company'
MERCH SHOP.

[tawdry tree]

I still wonder how people brand TGC as a small indie game company when thatskyshop is always sold out and the items are incredibly expensive.

[willow sapphire]

Ohh wow, the fire has been spreading very widely. I don’t know if bringing back the cat hair will even make the community calm down , maybe TGC should bring the cat hair back as IGC and rework the mask to better version and make it IGC too

[gritty sluice]

I really hope this outrage continues to Monday, tgc really needs to change.

[near tiger]

No... We see the first Mask before the change... Stop to defend tgc !

[analog sun]

The 1 star reviews are to grab their attention. That’s the main purpose since the issue is TGC’s continuous dismissal of feedback.

I changed my 5 star to a 1 star to reflect my grievances as a vet over a continued pattern of disrespect and the shift from casual to grinding due to greedy practices. It’s not just about the cat hair it’s a culmination of things

[spark lance]

And rebrand it as part of a new season

@tawdry tree cause "small indie game company" is a powerful excuse that they can use in any criticism

[ashen tusk]

I need sleep anyways, remember to stay hydrated, eat plenty, take breaks and try to do some fun things in amongst this.

[solid mural]

Nah they won't they like their players money too much.

[dull jolt]

I am getting positive feedback of my redesign of the cat mask. It warmed me up.

[azure wolf]

Oh ya I know I was just saying like people can wait and see what happens? Then if nothing changes 🤷🏻‍♀️ we try to be heard from any way possible I guess?
@gritty sluice more than likely the outrage will continue everyone is v upset 😭

[shy inlet]

still expensive and service still worst

[woeful galleon]

Yes, we have to do this but stay hydrated and get some rest guys 🥹

[viscid sundial]

Alright I'm off, hope y'all will take this advice at least. Ik everyone is angry mainly about cat hair, but Sky has several ingrained issues that should be what is pointed out instead.
Wish me luck in the Splatfest

[limpid pumice]

Hhh i just seen it, i hope you sent it to #beta-feedback. It's so cute. :''

[halcyon quail]

I think they are well aware of what we think. Review bombing won't help anyone and it's just a waste of time and effort, if you guys think sky deserves 1 star for whatever reason then go ahead but don't encourage review bombing

[tawdry tree]

Yeah no. My boyfriend and I bought the tgc jacket for the both of us and it cost a lot and items are always sold out. That alone cancels out the small indie game company defense.

No small company can ship merch all over the world

[stable lily]

I second this, shame we can't react at all

Don't forget to rant your concerns in feedback ❤️ no jk 💀

[drowsy barn]

Theres only 11 IAPs because they're from past years and TGC isn't going to just suddenly take away the past IAPs because then newer players would be upset with TGC but if TGC doesn't create more IAPs people would be upset that theres nothing new
I don't see it as TGC being greedy tbh. They're just built up IAP from past DoM

[gritty sluice]

I’m gonna hop off for tonight. Please keep up the rage until Monday because we as players should be heard. Players are the heart of sky. I love sky a lot and that’s why it needs to change. Stay hydrated y’all

[rare birch]

i just saw it and it's really good! did you try submitting it on #beta-feedback too?

[keen anchor]

i saw ir and its actually so cute im going insane,,

[woven crow]

I can see where you're coming from! if that's what happened a good way to have prevented it from getting this out of hand, they could have admitted to the miscommunication in the update notes so people knew right off the bat! The way they executed it just created more miscommunication :((

[echo mason]

How's the drama on the cat hair jk

MAKE IT AS IGC AGAIN PLEASE

[analog sun]

Nah I can actually encourage my vet friends who share the same grievances to consider airing them on their previous reviews of the game

[wild yoke]

Then comes back after 1or2 years later💀💀

[sand garnet]

@drowsy barn It wouldn't be as big of a problem that there are so many IAP for the event if there was a more comparable number of igc items built up for it too.

[potent juniper]

Days of feast 2020. They took away my favourite IAP, the snowflake cape, so obviously, they could and do remove In app purchases whenever their heart desires. While there is no removal of DoM In app purchases, they can still surely manage to move a few, people would be loving to get old ones even as an IAP.

[willow sapphire]

Do you all prefer reworked cat mask or cat hair to be IGC?

[worldly creek]

I love that beta chat is more popular than Gen chat now 😘. Keep up the energy.

[spark lance]

Yes, But the Majority of Moths, still believe that they are a "small indie game company" maybe because they are still new to the game and cant see the predatory micro transactions

[jagged grove]

Yuppp and that lead to misinformation and this discussion

[solid mural]

But it would be a very clear message to future players not to approach this game and them as a company obviously it will affectb It.

[limpid pumice]

Gee and i wonder who is sending all of that merch out, it's like they are paying different people to do that for them too... Hmmm...

[white latch]

Hmm has everyone calmed down yet, lemme check the cooldown

[stable lily]

So you're saying that an IGC will make people upset cause it's not new and f2p friendly? 😭 /genq

Every company is greedy, that's not something new tbh

[tawdry tree]

TGC hiding behind beta is subject to change giving people a really cool igc hair for once then putting it on IAPs after a massive positive feedback is just a blatant slap to the face. More than half the world's economic state is still in dark waters

[frigid needle]

How do you get the cat hair?

[proven canyon]

If the cat hair to the IGC,it will be more expensive than first version.

[halcyon quail]

Ktjn commented about it iirc but I agree tgc hasn't really done a good job at explaining themselves yet

@solid mural yes I said it multiple times, you can leave a negative review which is vastly different from review bombing

[dull jolt]

I just submitted my cat mask redesign to the feedback. I was getting positive reaction to the point I almost burst to tears from this much positive.

[warm grove]

Holy pasta it's still going O_o

[echo mason]

Correct attitude madam ❤️❤️❤️❤️😇😇😊😊😊😩😍😍🤗🤗

MAKE KITTY HAIR AS IGC AGAIN 💀🙄😺💔🥲🙄

[flat willow]

Thats what bothers me, everything in beta is subject to change, except the bugs and things that the beta testers agree should be changed.

[cursive prism]

of course. cool down is like, 3 mins

Edit. 3:30 mins

[crude vortex]

It's already been a day and you're still going on about the cat hair? Understandable, have a nice day

[cosmic orchid]

they're just toying us at this point
but hey, that's what beta is for, their testing ground
they can do what they want because that's what we signed up for

[gentle lily]

Damn this still is on going?

[wind dragon]

Good redesign! I hope tgc can take some inspo out of it It looks like it's worth it now

[kindred bronze]

…

[keen anchor]

i remember when the cooldown was 10 minutes 😭

[sacred spade]

Yes

[azure wolf]

Oh I could not be around for that if I had so much to say to everyone replying 🤣😭😭

[little oak]

Where could I see the redesign?

[shell tangle]

How bout a little jolly good song for a break,guys??

https://youtu.be/i6BKhvhSehc

Obla di ob la daa

[tawdry tree]

That's why it's our jobs as somewhat Vets to fight or voice this out. They do not know better and we do.

Don't forget to constructively leave your grievances in #beta-feedback people.

If your emotions get the best of you(It's happened to me before with Little Prince) take a breather, drink some water. Come back and we'll continue to steer TGC back to the right path.

PS: The 20 minute cooldown last night was sooooo cute. We used to have 40 back in my day Hahahahahaha

[potent juniper]

I'm sick of people popping in to go 'y'all still at it?'
Yes, we're all still upset, rightly so, we have reason to be, seeing as tgc are and have been negligent towards their own community for some time.

[limpid pumice]

For the people who now coming back to check this channel, yes we still angry, we still want TGC to hear us, we want to even out IAPS and IGC items for both players to enjoy with the same quality.

[frigid needle]

How do you get the cat hair?

[autumn path]

This 🙏🏽

[halcyon quail]

Saying that it's fine because everyone does it is not an excuse tho

[uneven lotus]

⬆️⬆️⬆️

[short sage]

i think the argument will continue as long as TGC continues to ignore their players like they have been. everyone is angry, and this cat hair stuff is what broke us. the last straw if you will 😵‍💫

[flat willow]

I remember them even closing a channel once, but my memory is blurry since it happend like a year ago, ppl were spamming like crAzy everywhere

[spark lance]

I just hope they add a small sled or surfboard next time, so I can Surf in the Valley..

@tawdry tree yup, I remember that 40 min cooldown hahahhaa, it was so frustrating to the Point that I jogged for 3hrs to cool my head hahaha

[jagged grove]

It's more than that so much more than that

Wait no my cd

[solid mural]

Well, it's basically the same if all of us who are upset go and leave a "negative" review (I don't see it that way, otherwise we would give our opinion of the game) we would be doing bombing by the number of people who will say almost exactly the same thing.

[boreal shell]

The context change when the company and its creator shows a self image of altruism in a very convincing way and exploit players with it. Regardless of that, it's still not a excuse if every company does it, still this is different from other game experiences between company and their player base

[dull jolt]

It's in the beta screenshot channel.

[cold coral]

That's such a good idea!

[stable lily]

I'm not saying it's fine tho UDNWKW

I'm actually against of what TGC has been doing and this has been going on for awhile and I'm tired of it

@boreal shell still not saying it's fine, I said that because the person I replied to sounds like they're denying that TGC is getting a bit greedy

[final osprey]

Nyanyame nyanyajyuunyanya do no nyarabi de nyaku nyaku inyanyaku nyanyahan nyanyadai nyan nyaku nyarabete nyaganyagame.

[quiet swift]

I hope that tgc changes how they handle stuff like cosmetics and stuff, because it's getting pretty tiring to play this game at this point

[potent juniper]

I'm sorry, but I don't think anyone is even mad about the cat hair at this point. We are mad at the 👏negligence👏that TGC has shown time after time. They are not a small indie game company anymore, and we are all trying to push for change because it's the only way they listen to us. If you don't agree, that is okay, but this is what's going on right now. It is NOT the cat hair anymore. I think I can speak for everyone when I say I (a vet from gratitude) am extremely tired of TGC's antics. Apologies for any offence.

[frigid needle]

Can anyone tell me how I get the cat hair? Because I can't seem to find it anywhere! Like it's not in shops

[cyan sentinel]

But we are allowed to send feed back. Just not too much hate, is it what you meant?

[wild yoke]

Yes still sad abt this n tgc is playing deaf is the main point

[halcyon quail]

My bad, I misunderstood your message

[spark lance]

Yup, i agree

[tall crypt]

It’s strictly in beta right now. It’ll be in days if mischief later on in the fall

[flat willow]

I mean it is the weekend rn, dont expect anything till monday

[mint creek]

Yeah i agree with you as well

[sand garnet]

@frigid needle Right now in beta the cat hair is part of an IAP pack. If you bought the pack it was switched into beforehand you might not have a way to get it at all sadly.

[spark lance]

You clearly dont see the bigger picture, it's not only about the hairstyle..

[devout sable]

**Cat hair IAP is 💯 % okay **

[cursive prism]

LMAO there was also a time where the whole genchat was muted tho bcus of, guess what, yes a war similar to this lmao. Deleted my comment earlier cus i didn't get to reply to ur msg specifically then realize there's a cooldown 😂

[restive compass]

HEY! A simple official update would probably calm the flames here!!

[autumn path]

Also a vet from gratitude here. You are 100% correct. Sky has been getting tiring to play for over a year now, TGC's main goal has deteriorated entirely when they pushed heavily to IAPs. It's not just about the cat hair, it's about the studio itself, the treatment of their audience, and the way the game isn't what it used to be.

[shadow stratus]

Almost everyone disagreeing with this is 1000% okay (i acidentally pinged someone woops)

[jagged grove]

You do realize not every feedback contains that, right???

[solid mural]

Me too and they always have the same excuse that they are a small company I'm sick of hearing the same thing over and over again.

[ivory rover]

i feel like the ppl who think tthe cat hair is the reason this is all going on just started playing yesterday...

[azure wolf]

I think I got muted 😭

[tawdry tree]

Ahh yes the Little Prince IAPs fiasco... fun times! Hahahaha

@spark lance bruh we are so old in this game. HAHAHAHAHAHHA

@potent juniper I am with you on this one. As someone from Enchantment, this is getting pretty tiresome. Yes, we want TGC to be better as we love this game but it's like they're getting worse each year. Really frustrating.

@devout sable not everyone can afford IAPs. Have a little empathy please.

[little oak]

Thank you, it looks great reminds me of my cat that passed away

[indigo totem]

I think we should feedback the cat hair and we can argue something els here it’s better to feedback the hair not just arguing, i don’t think the dev will watch us arguing about the hair

[short sage]

you’re right. i suppose the only reason we are mentioning the cat hair is so that skybot won’t attack us for talking about off topic things but like 😭 where else can we supposed to talk abt this kinda stuff, yknow? where else could we talk about this stuff together AND have TGC notice us. it’s a wee bit frustrating

[topaz turtle]

agree

[limpid pumice]

Having only 4 pieces of cosmetics for F2P players and 9 IAPs is not 💯% okay.

[stable lily]

It's fine, I figured you didn't see me ranting to TGC message to message earlier 😭

Man this cooldown 💀

But then again, it's a shame the mods and other people won't even let us discuss TGC's past actions to let others know why people are so upset because of this "Cat hair"

[rapid reef]

This discourse is not only about the cat hair. Please stop claiming we are upset only because of a cosmetic.

The cosmetic is the tip of what caused this outburst to finally happen. It has never been uniquely over a cosmetic but about TGC's mistreatment of their community. We are trying to not just bring awareness to the cat hair but the other underlying issues TGC has grown over time! We want to see changes. Improvements. We don't expect perfection or for them to bend their back but we do expect them to stop preting on their paying customers, stop disrespecting their f2p(Who are the major ones mass sharing the game to their friends, from what I can tell.) and to be more trensparent about the informations we receive as players in the beta.

[frigid needle]

I am in beta, and yeah I got the pack yesterday with the Cape and the mask. So I'm guessing I can't get the hair any more 😭

[potent juniper]

I wholeheartedly agree with you 100%. I'm honestly so ready to quit because I am an f2p player, and cannot afford to pay for IAP's. They don't listen.
@short sage Technically the IAP conversation is on topic, we don't need to include the cat hair.

[cyan sentinel]

I respectfully understand that you don't like people sending hate, but we are all allowed to send feed back to the dev and mod. It is our rights 💀

[analog sun]

And how exactly do you know that the feedback being sent is hate when the feedback channel hides submissions?

You can moralize over the use of the feedback channel all you want but mods allow it to exist and it’s our right as customers to use it when available

[late jolt]

i'm so mad rn with tgc.

[halcyon quail]

There's nothing inherently wrong with cat hair being an iap, but the context surrounding it matters and is what started the fire. Also, most people aren't even ranting about cat hair being a iap itself but the amount of iaps the game has and their pricing

[tall crypt]

Huh, that’s weird. If it’s not in the pack and not in the hair closet, I’m not sure.

[keen anchor]

HELP i remember when there was a 30(?) minute cooldown on one of the chats 😭

[devout sable]

Either eat McDonald’s this week or buy cat hair??? CHOOSE ONE!

[spark lance]

I don't understand why so many people defend tgc at this situation. When is having more iap then free stuff became a thing? It is not an online shop. It's a game

[flat willow]

Wait no its not little prince since i wasnt around for that whole shenanigan, im talking previous to that... Maybe it was the honking update? Dont really recall

[spark lance]

eat Mc Donald

[cursive prism]

Yep. We wouldn't have this discussion ALL OVER AGAIN IF and ONLY IF they released it on beta as an IAP originally.

[narrow current]

I disagree 💯

[sand garnet]

I mean I was really looking forward to the cat hair specifically being igc, so I'll admit to still being upset about that in particular, but there are much bigger problems here that it's only a small part of. I would have sulked a little and then been fine if the hair was the only issue lol.

[modest junco]

I don't think at this point people are fighting about the cat hair anymore, most people accepted that beta is bound to change, it's just the lack of respect that's trigering the nerves...
but yes, earlier yesterday, people were sending many hateful comments in every social media tgc has, and it was pure disgust seeing those who threat and accuse and humiliate tgc in a way that's simply unacceptable. those who throw extremely mean words to people who work hard to be able to have an income.
but luckly some just respectfully expressed their opinions. and i hope more people would do that. just so you know, being nasty isn't cool

[solid mural]

That hair is just the tip of the iceberg of all the problems.

[plain helm]

says the guy who probably own a tesla and a yacht/j

[rocky nest]

it's not about the hair, the hair furthermore just proved our concerns

[shadow stratus]

They spent on those two things you said and they also will gain a lot of money from the things you said

[boreal shell]

And what exactly is the hate? Saying they're greedy and opportunustic? because I doubt that there's ton of people giving feedback full of Real hate words and risking being banned for it.

[tawdry tree]

HAHAHAHAHAHA SO MANY ISSUES!! I can't

[autumn path]

TGC has over a million players now, makes a lot of money off of expensive merchandise, doesn't donate all of their charity event money to charity, and is overall not transparent about where their funds are going to. Why do they need the money, genuine question?

[plush pier]

how we doin chat

[topaz turtle]

yeah thats so expensive
i cant even afford it

[indigo totem]

Hmmm...how can you know? Not all of them have hate

@devout sable just shhhh...it’s not ok

[spark lance]

Are you guys ready to get this channel nuked in monday to avoid a civil war for the cat ears? hahaha

[torn gyro]

[dull jolt]

Just by curiosity, if my redesign ever got included in the game, do I get something out of it?

Also, Thanks for the amazing feedback of it, and to those who haven't seen it yet, it is in the beta screenshot channel.

[potent juniper]

Even then TGC does have a merch shop, and people do purchase their normal in game items. Their shop is almost always sold out, meaning they should at least earn a fair amount of money from it
@autumn path said it better than I did
@dull jolt Probably not, maybe credit? Perhaps ingame candles.

[frigid needle]

Like I go open the shop and there's nothing in there, and when I click on the hair in the closet it just says available as premium bonus candle shop

[little oak]

Most of us are, but there's still some tgc defenders

[spark lance]

You clearly missed the entire chat that has been going on since yesterday. This isn't about the hair being an Iap anymore, this is about Iap in general and how they aren't listening to feedback as they should. Also a big unfortunate miscommunication as well and getting the hopes up for beta and live players.

I don't condone sending hate to devs/mods, or even rate bombarding and such, and yk good for you for not doing such I guess. But how are you going to tell the wide majority to control themselves about this when this has been going on for a while now. Yes, while item prices are yet to change they clearly told us that it was currently going to be placed as an IGC and once the 2nd update came out, that told another story. They said they changed it 1-3 weeks before the update even came out at all in beta. Why wasn't this communicated with us?? Why shun us out of this decision they made and get everyones hopes up? Why in the world do they the majority of the items be listed as an IAP when the majority of their costumer base is 18-??
The hair was the last straw we had and we decided to make a fuss about it. Don't even get me started on some of the devs guilt tripping us into making us feel bad for them .
TGC knows they are wrong for what they did, why do the f2p players have to get the items that were once good into just garbage remodeled items? People use the same excuse for them being a small company and not making money when clearly many people buy candle packs non stop as well as IAP with outrageous prices.

[late jolt]

it's not abt friendship anymore, since performance season all they're care is M O N E Y, nothing more.

[sly current]

Yea I can confirm when the boxes are about 100 a pop they don’t need that cash. They make millions and you can easily check this on the sensor tower website (it’s public info!)
The small company argument doesn’t stand anymore when sky is about three now

[tall crypt]

I assume that means it’s glitched : / I’m sorry about that

[flat willow]

Im looking forward to candle running while the cooldown happens and my laptop crashes from the amount of messages

[livid ridge]

Me casually open discord to check how the cat hair problem goes
BOOM
A wall of text hit my face 😭

[short sage]

me too!! i don’t pay for anything, i was considering buying the pass for the AURORA season, but now. i just don’t even want to play the game bc it feels like it’s not made for me. like im genuinely ready to take it off my switch bc it 1.) Takes up way too much of my time 2.) is so difficult to play 3.) it’s just. it’s boring. i feel no fulfillment when i play this game. (3 1/2.) it also gives me headaches and migraines bc of the flashes and shakiness, which i’ve been told TGC doesn’t care about)

[analog sun]

They’ve closed the channel before (great way to uphold that “dismissing feedback” rep TGC ) but I’m def looking forward to their response next week

[tawdry tree]

Oh god please don't get me started on the charity switch with Days of Rainbow. Wayyyy too fresh. I'm still seething about that, being an actual LGBTQIA+ member.

PS: you can't defend TGC with small indie company when

1. Thatskyshop
2. Collab with Aurora
3. The game runs on IOS, Android, Switch, and Playstation soon

[devout sable]

GUYS… I LEFT $20 USD AT HOME SPACE… YOURS IF U FIND IT
|| THAT HOW MUCH MEOW MEOW HAIR GONNA COST U|| 💀

[boreal shell]

They gave only half of it, both from earth and lgbt days. It's official, they said it themselves. Wow such charity

[autumn path]

Did you? TGC has literally been upfront before about where they spend their charity money, and they don't want to alienate other countries from their game-- aka more money-- like with the Pride charity event. There's so much to talk about here that I'm just baffled on why you're blindly defending the studio. I love Sky, I loved TGC, I wanted to work with them as a fellow dev. But their practices are not great.

[halcyon quail]

I think tgc says what percentage of the sales go to charity and in some events it's not the 100% iirc and there was a whole controversy because they didn't say which charity they were going to donate

[inner herald]

hey there’s no need to yell! they do spend some of the event profits on charities, like some days of rainbow stuff goes the the trevor project. but the majority of it goes to the company

[spark lance]

This argument is really weak, "Did you see them?"
Ignorance really is a bliss

[jade arrow]

"I never contacted or sent a feedback to a mod or staff eve"

I don't know what are you flexing about not sending feedback in a feedback channel. And no one's sending unnecessary hate, it's the obvious consequence of their culmination of actions. If everyone is supposed to be rainbows and sunshine then what is the point of having beta testers and feedback channel. There are so many points talking about everything beyond the latest IAP and it seems like you didn't care read any of them.

If you don't care enough to send feedback, no need to patronize others who are actually doing something.

It's TGCs job, and they're gonna face the consequence. This is the same player base that has supported supported before. Undermining people calling their reaction "stupid" is extremely subjective.
We are not sending death threats to the voice actor for performing a unlikable character or something.

This situation wouldn't have excalated this much if the team didn't made so many bad moves. It's the "obvious outburst" they had calculated and yet didn't avoid it.

[potent juniper]

Please do not yell at someone else. They do spend money on charities given the event (Days of healing, days of nature). It is disrespectful to get fired up over this when we're all just conversing about the In app purchases. I recommend to get some water and cool down.
@autumn path absolutely right.

[little oak]

Exactly, it's like going to a restaurant when your hungry. You'll eat, but if you weren't served what you wanted then you'll never return.

[vast moth]

cosmetics are feeling a lot less like “use this to customize your character to make them feel more personal to you” and more “give us more money to feel better about your character,” which is driving away from what i originally got the game for. i was enchanted by the customization allowed for your character, letting you feel like yourself in this cute little flying game. now it feels like it’s delving into a money making mess that’s getting more and more expensive, with the stuff that is free it just feels like they’re taking simple sketches and turning them into cosmetics

[rapid reef]

I love how people come here thinking it's only about the cat hair just because it's what broke the pent up frustration.

Please help us by not assuming this is all over some cat hair. The issues about TGC as a company are genuine concern for the future of the game and it's player base. You don't have to agree, but please stop spreading around that this is entirely only over some cat hair.

[limpid pumice]

If you never sent feedback please don't tell us to not do what we are doing, TGC already never listens to 99% of the feedback and criticism...

[indigo totem]

I think...since TLP season

@devout sable wooooww your 20$ is so big that must be mine 🥺 thank u
And how can you be so sure the meow meow hair will be 20$? Huh Mister guessing price?

[quiet swift]

Yeah, hopefully they'll listen to our feedback this time and fix things

[tawdry tree]

At this point, it's rapidly feeling that TGC is just banking on rich new players to earn and give less and less care to Vets who supported their game as each event and season come.

[jagged grove]

It should be a concerning aspect when your community, let alone your own testers, begins to question certain decisions. It goes to show just how much effect your choices have. That is on TGC’s side and we all know that

Especially when that's paired up with long-term players

[devout sable]

CATS USED TO BE LOVED… BEFORE THIS INCIDENT
||ARIGATO TGC…BTW DID U KNOW GATO = 🐈 ||

[spark lance]

Dude why are you yelling at them? Tone down your voice, that's disrespectful and not a way to approach someone. Second, they do spend event money on charities such as the events DoR and DoN, but they don't. spend. all. of. it. They make a good amount, heck, even more than that year round from many players who buy all of most of their available IAP items.

Also if you can't take feedback from other players and opinions, don't bother placing yours down...

[hazy notch]

Hi guys, is it only me or the game is inaccessible right now? I’m playing on ios. I’ve updated my game already and it still says Failed to Connect. Thanks

[flat willow]

And there goes the defensive shutdown

[thorn trout]

[plain helm]

i still like the cat hair it's just tgc making my stomach itch in pain

[spark lance]

Yes, I don't understand how people are casually popping in and out of different channels and saying ppl are going crazy over a hair. Like No! It's not just about the hair.

[stable lily]

You caused it first by simply saying everyone's feedback isn't necessary of course they'll be frustrated lmao

If that's your opinion then don't shut other's opinion, you're not the whole voice for this community

[potent juniper]

I'm not going to let people blindly defend TGC as they quite frankly do not deserve the defence. They should own up for the consequences that formed from the problems they caused. You can have different opinions but we're all equally frustrated, and should talk this out in a civilised way.

[solid mural]

Exactly those of us who are over 2 years old are already tired and if they don't change, the same thing will happen with the other players, they will get tired and leave. It's not just the hair, i like that all can insertando It.

[barren narwhal]

👀

[late jolt]

well, next, when we see some good free stuff let's just say "ugh that's so ugly" and tgc will keep it free, i'm really upset with all this, they even destroyed mask quality, this is just disgusting from tgc, i fell really a clown for saying "no, they would never make sky pay-to-win" guess who was wrong?

[little oak]

Yeah they've gone corporate, profiting over world topics

[untold parrot]

I am with U

[azure wolf]

Maybe that's why they brought aurora in for a more expansive player base 👀

[quiet swift]

Ahh, no ur not the only one! Alot of the beta players also can't access the game unfortunately

[agile hazel]

No, you don't get to jump into chat yelling at us without any context then play victim. If you don't like what's going on here you don't have to be here

[cursive prism]

Exactly. They also only donate like 50% of the money they make off of charity like how the earth event is. I even bought the green cape that time and was bummed bcus it was just, well, a green cape with the wing patterns only the difference and the color is just a much more vibrant green.

[tawdry tree]

Omg stooooopppp hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

PS: the hair was just the tip of the iceberg people who just arrived in the chat and are utterly confused with the warzone rn

@potent juniper omg go for it! We love you for it

[indigo totem]

You’re the one who cause fire first and now you said everyone wasted your times? Sheesh-

[subtle sequoia]

im so upset why would they changed it into iap

[ivory rover]

sky pay to win? more like sky pay to flex

[autumn path]

@potent juniper it really is the blind defense for me 💀 tell me you know nothing about TGC's old goals and vision without telling me yk nothing about their goals. Love your responses.

[spark lance]

🐈

[topaz turtle]

tbh i can even accept that the cat hair as a singal iap but sold bundled with that cape
i cant afford it as a student

[spark lance]

I've seen moths quit playing within 3 months.. (mostly on my constellations)

[shadow stratus]

Sky will never be pay to win

[hazy notch]

Thank you, kinda relieved.

[modest junco]

some of y'all need to understand that;
•a collab doesn't mean gaining money, the company has to spend a large amount of money for the collaboration, and it depends on the skykids wether or not more income will convert out of the collab.
•A company that isn't small anymore doesn't mean they're filthy rich and they don't need money excuses anymore, those are more developers, programers and mods to pay.
•A new game base (playstation) means larger amount of money to be spent, believe opening a new gamebase is extremely hard, i have seen such with my own eyes and i can tell you it is not cheap.

at the end, tgc does infact need our money and support, just like any other company that exists in this world.
please do send your feedbacks while considering this. and while i believe that tgc does hear us to some extinct that is enough for me, i hope that my fellow skykids will feel the same.
i hope that tgc will hear your opinions and suggestions, just.. i know it's hard and annoying, but take it easy, respectfully and calm. thank you.

[boreal shell]

I want to encourage people to express these things in the official facebook group and page, but without being specific about the beta items or else they will delete the post

[uneven lotus]

Bye byeeee

[halcyon raft]

Personally i think the hair was fine as a candle purchase. Alot of the halloween event is the same as last year and the cat hair really got the excitment going again. But as an iap the charm gets lost. I tend to care more about hairstyles than my mask and I tend to stick to the chibi mask. I dont know about others but my friends in the game all seem to favour different masks above others as well but will constently change outfits or hair.
It just gave the event/game so much light again, and it feels like they took that light away when they made the cat hair something that have to be purchased.

[ivory oracle]

like almost whoever pinged me talked about whatever the iap is too much and i know that. i talked about cat hair and how much hate is getting from the players for being iap and tgc is working hard on it

[flat willow]

Like i actually contenplated on sending that mssg for a sec, but i mean dont expect to say something that goes against the status quo and not recieve backlash lmao

Also @devout sable using spoiler for emphasis and umph once or twice is aight, but more than that it becomes annoying and spammy

[devout sable]

unOFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
|| MEOW MEOW HAIR IS NO LONGER IAP. IT WILL NOW COST ONE 🦵 ||

[spark lance]

can you not

[plain helm]

my brother in christ the atmosphere here is already too heavy to be calmed down like that

[ornate rover]

You think they'll even address this stuff or just pretend they saw nothing, because we know how communication usually is

[spark lance]

How are you guys, is this still going :v

[potent juniper]

@autumn path Your responses are perfect, you have great points in each
Anyway, I'm going to take a break from the warzone, but my last statement is just to make sure to not send personal attacks on people, as we are seething for many different reasons.

[round quarry]

As long as it's not money

[late jolt]

actually there's NOTHING to do in sky, no one wants make friends with a player who looks moth or new player, and misstreats you when you get something wrong or goes to a wrong place if you're not wearing some iap good looking stuff, since sky is about "friendship" you "need" looking good or veteran to have friends who will help and respect you...

[tawdry tree]

Noooo not the friend constellation shut down. You should see mine. As many shining stars as Wasteland's skyline

@potent juniper bye byeeee have your well earned rest.

[solid mural]

Probably with TGC I wouldn't hesitate.

@spark lance Moths don't usually stick around for long unless someone adopts them.

[topaz turtle]

yeah at least theyr making lots of good things for us i dont think they wanna heard negative feedback

[spark lance]

Nope, everyone here is so glad and happy on How TGC handles IAPs, so don't worry

imagine they actually add the cat hair back as an igc for a low price of 999 candles

[thorn trout]

Want some popcorn? 🍿

[quiet swift]

YEAH 😭😭 it's sad to see how this "friendship" thing turned into a competition for who has the better cosmetics

[solid dune]

Homie ima be real if we just straight up call something ugly, the chances are more likely they’ll change the item entirely or remove it

[limpid pumice]

"I make one comment defending TGC and i get attacked in their own server by their members, when they are attacking TGC." No. people only seem like they are attacking you because you claimed that we were attacking TGC over a cat hat pixel for our bald characters. PEOPLE JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS MORE THAN JUST THE IAP. TGC never listened during Shattering in testing, and still hardly listens now just to do scummy things, which you new commers may or may not seen or heard of TGC doing. Before making an accusation read FIRST.

Oh my sorry i didn't know i had you pinged-

[inner herald]

sorry for the ping i’ll turn it off this time! it’s less about your opinion, that’s valid because it’s your opinion and you can speak for only yourself. but more about your tone, it was a bit aggressive :< maybe you didn’t mean it that way and that’s fine but accountability is also important yknow? hope everything’s fine though, not upset with you at all just tone is hard to convey over text

[cosmic orchid]

people come here saying "it's just pixels", "cosmetics are optional", and "just move on" are really insensitive
they do know that this is Sky were talking about, everything in it is a piece of art, and the cosmetics is a massive part of the game which directly contribute to its social aspect as well as giving the game a loop of replayability
we can't just move on when there's been so many miscommunications between the community, we criticize because we care about the game and it's improvement
saying it's just pixels really downplays value of the game when it means quite a lot to most players

if we move on and don't complain now in beta, it'll be too late when it comes to live

[plush pier]

predatory marketing tactics shouldnt be excused just because the need for money exists. This isn’t a good way to go about monetization, it’s done greedily and preys on the players instead of being honest and finding practically any other way to make the bucks.

We arent made because TGC needs money, we’re mad because their ways of getting money suck.

[near tiger]

i add all people, i dont care about the player outfit

[ivory oracle]

thanks for understanding me and i respect that. thank you.

[ivory rover]

in my experience that is not true most of the time there r people who like to make friends with any moths.

[spark lance]

ooh is there something i miss? can you or anyone explain to me?
(because i had zoom meeting so i have to leave before xD)

@thorn trout
Sure, i don't have any more opinion for this issue so I'm just gonna watch

[devout sable]

|| I DONT CARE… I LOVE IT || … well maybe lil

[flat willow]

Aight im calling mods

[rancid dune]

Omg so much negativity ;_;

[halcyon quail]

Criticism isn't the same as negativity

[spark lance]

⬆️⬆️⬆️

[autumn path]

TGC needs the support like any other company, sure, but it already makes 2 million. It needs the support but support doesn't come without drawbacks and criticism. With your first point, it only stands to say that it's an even worse idea for a collab at this point in time for TGC - not only have they been heavily increasing their IAP nature this past year, but to heavily rely on it even more for the sake of not breaking even, but gaining income after that for the collab? It does just show that they're in it for the cash.
They have so much to do with their storyline. With storytelling, and conveying that. But going for a IAP model largely in hopes to win over your audience in an otherwise grindy game isn't the win you/they think it is.

[cursive prism]

It actually depends on the player if the game's a p2w. Cus personally, i think it is a p2w cus u don't make much of an impression among players if they don't relate to the style of ur in game character. And exclusive outfits (such as elder cosmetics and outfits from past seasons) makes u cooler from what i noticed among the community. They have a word for this for male and female (a japanese word) but i think it's somehow blocked in the server, my previous chat didn't get through when i sent it, it says it has content blocked by the community

[plain helm]

from my player point of view in 2 years of gameplay, i can agree that sky has become a hoarder's perfect fit for collecting more than 50 overpriced outfits in less than a year

[late jolt]

i want my meow meow hair rn, i was going to buy it anyway and get so much hyped when i saw it was free but they're messed up, SKY ISN'T A SHOP IT'S A GAME, we dont need spend more than 50 USD to have good things like... a season and a big event and less than 50% are free items???????????? this isn't ok bro

@quiet swift yes like i always get so much anxious when i'm dressing my skykid bcs i get really afraid of being the less good looking in the places

[vast moth]

if what tgc’s doing doesn’t stop or let up in the slightest i might leave the fandom altogether, stop playing and minimizing interaction,, started questioning it when i noticed sky became more of a fashion contest than a friend game

[analog sun]

Right like these testers are providing QA for free and you continually mistreat AND your vets who have an in-depth experience with sky therefore able to provide their own feedbacks

Grade A business decisions

[azure wolf]

I've had people add me simply because I had the familiar cape shape to the most recent ts 😭

[topaz turtle]

uhhhh i dont think so
they never did that before did they
i mean even though theres a stuff that lots of players dislike it theres must still have a small number of players like it
so i think they wont remove it

[spark lance]

"Social Interaction Game"

Big map, Feels Empty.. we really need more NPCs

[shadow stratus]

But that end up being a totally community related thing that doesnt affect in the game, you cant pay to win on sky

[stable lily]

DUDE YOU MADE ME SCARED LMAO 😭

[plush pier]

Negativity also isnt toxicity. People being upset is an inherently negative reaction, but it doesnt automatically mean toxic and objectively bad. let people be upset, damn it! /nay

[solid dune]

Hate to break it to you but I’ve been fighting this war ever since the Days of Summerlights Lantern IAP was first being tested. nothings changed and in fact it’s only gotten worse

[modest junco]

i don't think that's entirely true. mr and four of my friends love adopting moths and showing them around, it's like an extra thing to do in sky. and most of all, there are so many genuine people in sky, sometimes we randomly get united by the servers and we act goofy, it all feels like i'm playing sky once again.
even moths would join us and we'd slide around the kingdom with them.
it's still there.. the purpose of the game.
still exists, you're just not noticing it

[indigo totem]

Just stop you’re making yourself a joke

[limpid pumice]

I'M SORRY I WAS TRYING TO PROVE A POINT AND ADD IT ON TO YOURS BUT I GOT SIDE TRACKED HHHHHHH

[flat willow]

Or just backtrack to how the honkin system was before... 😭

[ivory oracle]

like what i wanted to say that the hate of cat hair is getting hate by whoever is idk what i saw from the channels is just stupid and yes i know its someone's opinion but not ending up saying that staff or devs not caring about what we say.what about the hard work they do for us? its s beta test game and likely everything is gonna change over time so no need to be sad. and yes about the iaps. its too much but if you do or dont have money just buy whatever you want, tgc wants money to release the the aurora season in live next time since its costly and stuff. and sorta of uhhh im sorry about my actions and mentioning everybody in that situation. have a great day

[devout sable]

How else can I laugh today??? Okay u try

[cursive prism]

They DID change the assembly ult's design when they released it on beta. And a couple more things on the cosmetics from assembly. It was supposed to look like a raincoat-y design but they changed the ult to the sack cape which i personally liked both but oh well.

[halcyon quail]

We can agree it's not a bad thing that people are speaking their minds

[spark lance]

socks why u here 😭 OH THE COOLDOWN IS 3 MINS

[plain helm]

like honestly all i want in this game is to fly like a silly birb around here and there and discover tons of stuff, like a zelda botw even, but im aware that it's a mobile game and exploration isn't really the main focus of the game

but nah

all i get is 60 outfits i can't buy and won't even wear daily💀

[autumn path]

If their numbers of employees are mostly the same, and a lot of the employees are remote (seen on tgc website last time I checked?) then I'm genuinely questioning some of this. Ofc they arent keeping everything, but it still stands that they're making a lot compared to other indie dev studios

[fringe adder]

Hey I took a break from sky beta for a bit when the season of shattering was being tested : is it alright if I ask what happened?
(I'm currently guessing it's the cosmetic prices being way too expensive but I could be wrong)

[cosmic orchid]

they've hidden the IAP prices
it's pretty much a big sign that they have no plans on changing IAP prices and don't need price feedbacks

[near tiger]

your joke are not funny man...

[azure wolf]

No that's pretty much it...but like it's the breaking point?

[spark lance]

TGCs revenue on the month of July was around 2M on the US server alone..

[late jolt]

yessss bro, i got kizuna pack and everyone was so hyped for it but less than 2 months after eveeryone started being mean at me and calling me pick me for using kizuna pack i got so confused khshshshsh

@modest junco i'm not talking about newbies at all, i'm talking about moths (the player who use ponytail, yellow cape and got no masks and pants at all, the true moth) they're get so much ignored for everyone, no ones really care about players who are more than one month playing bcs they still looking like really new players (just because EVERYTHING is so much expensive)

[plush pier]

I am absolutely in agreement by the way, none of that was meant a retort, just an add-on to your statement :] /nay = not at you, sorry if it came off as opposing

[novel aspen]

Adorable cat hair was released for in-game-currency, devs decided to change it to IAP, switching it out with an IAP cat mask in the process, turning the cat mask to IGC, and downgrading said cat mask to an angry face mask

[jagged grove]

Oh most definitely Really gotta work on their communication and their practices. It happens but... JEEZ

[modest junco]

Exactly. some people just think basically without putting such thoughts in mind. remember, understand the consept before being driven by your anger. even i didn't like it, but i consider the situation then make decisions.

[civic current]

they can be exempt from a fair bit of taxes via donations

[topaz turtle]

i know i know
i was answering that person whos talking about just say we dont like it nextime when we truly like some new stuff

[ivory rover]

i've been playing ever since sanctuary and i agree, plus the game is rapidly losing it's flavor considering i have finished every quest available and theres nothing i can do anymore other then grind or hang out with friends who just happen to come online for a few minutes before they leave

[indigo totem]

Haha so funny that joke was so funny! I’m cackling into a ball!

[rapid reef]

Stop making it all about the cosmetic people! Most of us are not going on and in about the cosmetic but underlying issues with TGC's behavior and attitude toward the community.

The idea this is all over a cat hair is missing the point. Yes there's people who are upset only because of the cosmetic but the reason this talk is still going is NOT because of the cosmetic, it's about the mistreatment we receive as customers and players.

[solid mural]

I think we should all go leave our options in the appstore.

[quiet swift]

Me too honestly, and I don't want to be left out either. It's genuinely very distressing for a game who's promoting friendship and all

[spark lance]

They thought it would be fun to dance in a fire pit

[devout sable]

Cuz everyone needs some 🧦
|| LEAST SOCKS ISNT IAP… BTW IM MISSING ONE BLUE ONE || 💀🐈

[flat willow]

Please stop trying to persuade ppl into review bombing, no matter how you phrase it its still review bombing omg

[cursive prism]

They replaced a supposed to be igc item after it got popular to an item in the "iap bundle" and also changed the "supposed to be in the iap bundle" item to a much more simpler design when they replaced it as the igc.

[shadow stratus]

I also think that its important to say that the events arent just cosmetics, as now there is almost always an free extra experience related to the event ( extra area, spirits walking around, bonus wax and all that stuff), so that also counts as the free content witb the igc cosmetics.
However i do think that the iaps are being too much with the time too.

[halcyon quail]

I don't get used to the uhhh /(thing) i don't know what their name is so I don't know what most of them mean, I'll get to know them in due time thanks for twlling me what that one means btw

[ivory oracle]

yep same as well actually! i quit sky for this until season of aurora starts/days of mischief in live since i burned out and had enough and im likely to be alone everyday lmao and yes nothing fun to do anymore in my opinion since im an enchantment kid

[limpid pumice]

I just got back into playing more of Beta, and only heard of things that happened with Shattering after instead of playing in Shattering. (I know, bold claim and nothing to talk about of it.) But clearly a MASS majority seemed like that Shattering was unfinished or boring, and had no lore whatsoever, ironic because TGC on the weekly polls said what's your favorite thing in Shattering? And had lore as an option.. When lore was never added into Shattering. Shattering is just a terrible non lore related season based on Eden and only is all the same quests...

[cosmic orchid]

"if you don't agree with my opinion, don't talk to me"

[plain helm]

agreed, the game tastes like a 20 years old bubblegum now fr

[plush pier]

Ok, guess i support review bombing the game lmao. All of the past efforts people took to get tgc to actually listen and cooperate never worked, so we should be more aggressive and assertive so they give us the damn time of day <3

[azure wolf]

You ever go into a job and ask for more hours or a raise from the manager and they like do the complete opposite 💀 thats exactly what this sounds like but instead they asked the question

[spark lance]

I'll say it once and I'll say it again, balance out your IAP and IGC. Right now there are like 4 or 5 IGC and 9 being from DoM (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't counted all the items yet). Not everyone can afford IAP, especially since most of them are the max being 20$. Your community base is made up of adults but also kids and teens as well. Kids not being able to work and teens even struggling to find work to begin with. Adults sometimes not even being able to play the game and often or even be around for events due to college and/or work. People have bills to pay, have to put food on the table. How in the world are you going to make multiple capes cost from 15-20, the bundle cat pack probably going to be 20$ and so forth??

Think about your community and not just about the money. Yes, I understand you need money to keep producing items, especially for the shop and such, but you also can not be over doing the prices for the most simplest items

[civic current]

yeah but the event is still designed about the social aspect of the game. which is heavily affected by cosmetics. it's not like those games where cosmetics aren't such a big deal. here it's a big part of the shtick of the game

[solid mural]

Friend, the game is based on making friends and having things to dress your skykid nicely, obviously the events are to buy the items, unless you do something else with the candles.So your whole argument doesn't make sense.

[novel aspen]

I’m just anxiously waiting for an official statement of some sort on the situation rn. Dunno when we’ll get it but hopefully some time in the coming days

[ivory rover]

it is bad but it feels like it's going to be our last resort bc tgc barely ever listens to us

[hasty vessel]

Then take a break from the game?! most games can feel stale after a while if you play them for long enough.. sky is no exception

[spark lance]

Yes, I lowkey wanna see how they spend the Money tho, an annual report for ze players would help justify the IAP prices

[shadow stratus]

My whole argument is that the events stuff also counts as free stuff we are getting togheter with cosmetics, so yes, it does make sense

[violet bane]

Oml- good morning and wow- this is still going? Then again can’t blame y’all.. even instagram posts from TGC everyone is still heated up, can’t blame y’all (Finally had enough)

[cursive prism]

an official statement partnered with beta chats being muted for a couple of weeks

[drowsy barn]

Not all players care about the appearance of other skykids as you claim I've seen plenty of people here always posting pics of their new moth friends or talking about how they like helping moths and how adorably clueless moths are sometimes. Not everything is based on your skykid looks.

[placid iron]

[ivory oracle]

totally understandable. i know likely f2p or who can afford at least one item r mad about how costly the iaps or na just u can buy whatever u want and u can wait next time or smth its okay not everyone can literally afford the whole event is like to cost 100 usd or smth

[jagged grove]

Agreed. While most are returning, just imagine seeing all that in the iap shop. That's way too much and can drive newer players away

[halcyon quail]

It would be fair if they aimed to add at the very least the same number of iap and igc items but we currently have like 5 trillion iaps for dom and 4 igc items.

[crystal saddle]

This this this. I love taking moths along and sometimes even just hang around in Daylight Prairie, keeping an eye out for people requesting help finding spirits.

[flat willow]

Thats it, im gonna go play valorant to let some steam out, recommend ppl who are getting worked out too to know their limits (and dont be like me, play a better game than valorant love youself)

[cosmic orchid]

the made Days of Events primarily for extra IAPs right?
the early Days of like Summer lights and Mischief only had IAPs in them
it was only later that they added some extra igcs
barely 1 or 2, so their main focus is still IAPs, igcs are just their mercy

[late jolt]

we should make a new avaliation of the game, if they're not listen to us when we ask for a BIT of respect lets just down sky stars on google play/apple store ^^

@spark lance i found really strange that the game keep the same server who cant stand all players base even after some big collabs and big patrocinators...

[rapid reef]

People are terrified of missing out. It's a cultivated thing deeply seeded into the community by now. That ot was intentional or not, many customers feel pressured to buys things out of fear of missing out. It's something that has been brewing and I see more and more people struggling with not buying IAPs.

[spark lance]

If you see people liking your socks, then u too can charge money for it just like that one game company we know 🙂

[limpid pumice]

Hahaha no i am actually jobless and suck at every small job my parents told me to do, even though i just turned into an adult!

But yes i absolutely get what you mean! Shattering is so terrible!

[plush pier]

People talk about the treatment of moths but yk whats like 10x worse that should be talked about ??? The treatment of intermediate players. They have enough not to be considered moths and therefor not “uwu cute to drag around” but also not enough to be considered cool.

[gilded parrot]

A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!

[azure wolf]

I haven't slept in a day but I got curious and hopped on here when I should've went to bed 😭

[plain helm]

nah, i rarely take breaks in everything ☠️

but i did infact slowed my game time on this game a bit

but still

it's super boring to come here just for 4 seasonal candles for a jelly fish hair that has the same price value as that sports game that released recently on switch

[ancient pike]

Only time they’re “cute” is when they dress up as a moth.

[ivory rover]

okay here's the thing, some of us players DO take breaks. i take a lot of breaks in between seasons, and i dont fully candlerun anymore. but this game still feels plain no matter how many times i come back to play for even a few minutes or more

[fringe adder]

Oh darn...yeah I agree, at first it was quite exciting but after a few quests SoS just feels repetitive and more like an eden fashion shop 😓 which in itself isn't too bad except when they're trying to convince us there's even a sliver of lore in it + idk if it's just me but some of the capes really look rushed for their SC prices... makes me really upset because the adventure pass price is expensive in my country.

[inner herald]

it’s a tone indicator, it’s for conveying tone over text! nay means not at you like not directed towards you. there’s a lot of them so it can get confusing if you’re not used to them! there’s lists online and stuff though if you need!

[modest junco]

Guys the event will return next year, just plan your purchases and keep it under your budget. even i'm a student who has a certain budget from my daily allowence and i space my plans. i won't buy the entire thing this year, but i will get some stuff from season of aurora including the season itself due to it not returning. take priorities, act smart. sky is a game with ups and downs, we'll have to understand that.

[vast moth]

i remember when i was in that “phase.” it felt isolating due to the amount of people who would (i assume) block me when they realized i was a not a moth (never saw them came on/give light, saw avatar change tho) or just ignore you after lighting

[near tiger]

no... we need to stop that.. stop defend TGC !

[cosmic orchid]

I bought Deep Rock Galactic with the budget I set aside for Mischief and I must say that this was the best decision I made for a while
so fun and worth it
have fun

[sly current]

Just because you can take a break doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be able to criticize the multimillion dollar company on their game choices
I took a 1+ year break from this game and it’s still exactly the same, do I still have no right to say it’s still the same?

[ivory oracle]

THIS. AND YES SAME I WILL BUY THE AURORA PASS TOO ||never bought an event item||

[signal barn]

Hello.!

[limpid pumice]

What i think is that there is no lore, TGC wants you to make it up yourself, that's why there is a lore discussion and barely anything of lore in a season based off of Eden itself.

@cosmic orchid ROCK AND STONE MY FELLOW DWARF!

[drowsy barn]

Hello!

[jagged grove]

This ⬆️ FOMO is a huge thing here and with a game centered around comestics, we could really use a break of that fr it also doesn't help make anything better with... whatever balance they have between igc and iaps + overpricing formats

[solid mural]

Exactly the worst thing is that sometimes not even the same people who buy realize it. And for me it is a very well thought out tactic by TGC, they know what they are doing.

[fiery ice]

good point but still.
tgc has to understand we can't buy iaps that costs so much especially people in other countries. They also need to stop pulling stunts like making the cat hair to an IAP.

[azure wolf]

Oh well hey heads up don't let your managers do that to you 💀
@fringe adder speaking of capes this season everyone loved the manta one but I wasn't really impressed with it 😅 I felt like it was missing something...

[limpid moat]

Everyone please please send feedbacks regarding these matters as well.
We have bigger issue to confront TGC than the cat hair (I’m not undermining just be should fight bigger reasons

[spark lance]

Maybe they'll make changes on the servers in their 5 yr anniversary (2024)

Me making Another false Hope hahaha

[spark lance]

We are aware that these events will return next year, but why not fix the prices and give f2p players a chance to some, actually nice looking IGC items instead of ones that look like they were scrapped??? They should make their prices reasonable and think about their whole community and not just the ones they know will pay money to get items ...

[late jolt]

i was already sad abt everything because i missed all last performance month, i missing all of actual season (i always get AP) and all this stuff is getting me with no choice, i was getting behind my friends progress and fell out of the moment hyped itens, i fell really like losing some "unique oportunity" but ITS JUST A GAME, that's really messing up my mental health

[fallow dirge]

We can’t see new prices for events tho until it comes out 😖

[shadow stratus]

100% worth it, Rock and Stone.
Im out too, i hope the devs do something next week

[plain helm]

I'd rather pay for a full polished and finished indie game on steam than to pay a single cosmetic at the same price on sky

[plush pier]

”it’ll come back next year !!” Is a horrid excuse. It does not adress the reason we’re actually mad at TGC, TGC actively does not accept the overwhelming majority of their feedback, which directly harms players and causes a rift between TGC and its players.

[swift yarrow]

so true i really agree with this
it's unfair, not all people can buy expensive IAPs, some prices in other countries are extra expensive, including my country. it's just feels so sad to see expensive items that i can't get :(

[clear spoke]

Even as a non-beta player, I've found that with Season of Shattering prices are getting out of hand - there is only 2 days' leeway for F2P which is totally unreasonable. It really does feel like they're pushing for more people to buy the AP here.

[hasty vessel]

What changes did you really expect to see in the game in a year? I’m saying that time away from a game allows your mind to settle and your perspective to change to a point where the game may feel a little more fresh once you return. I never said no one can criticise the game? Y’all are so emotional please stop putting words in my mouth.

You can say whatever you want..?

[fringe adder]

I agree, honestly I only liked the hairs and accessories :") the quality of the capes feels like a big downgrade from Season of Performance and Season of Dreams in my opinion

[cosmic orchid]

we have been, but with the current trend of things, it definitely feels like nothing we say in feedback actually gets heard and like gets straight to the 🚮 if it doesn't align with what they intend for the game

@limpid pumice ROCK AND STONE ⛏️

[civic current]

echo of starsong is a good game too if you like vns ish games

[slender gorge]

Can't the beta log in?

[ivory oracle]

i cant blame you. and yeah i need that cat hair to be an igc item again and i mean almost every free to play wants it too but yeah i hope that tgc listen to us and some players wont likely to go toxic on a dev or a staff about a hair lmao

[limpid pumice]

Noted.

[azure wolf]

You know when you put it that way there's a few games I would definitely drop $20 in my wishlist too 😭

[spark lance]

So u are saying that instead of correcting Tgc, we should just bare with it and save up for expensive IAPs because Tgc is too greedy to budge. Mhmmm...

[late jolt]

maybe they need a "black ocean" of us to remember WHO makes their game stay, if they need our money this much they don't remember who are the majority at all

[spark lance]

Hollow Knight $15 is such a steal..

[plain helm]

man,, can't wait to get my hands on hades

[shadow stratus]

Its actually 8 free days , you dont need to buy 2 of the spells at the end of the trees, and SoS has one of the best free pass items so far

[sly current]

I can buy Splatoon 3 for three cat hairs and that’s an experience that’s gonna last two years minimum.

[plush pier]

I could have real marshmallow for lik 2-4 bucks and roast em on the stove or sum, 20 is absurd and if you think otherwise i feel like you should rethink i am so tired goodness graciosy me,,

[hasty vessel]

The person i was SPEAKING to even agreed that they don’t take breaks… so calm down. Imo being a Beta player strips a lot of fun out of the game we are exposed to the new seasons early that by the time it enters live it already feels like a relived experience, it becomes stale and boring… that’s the compromise for being a beta player

[ivory oracle]

that's weird and i sorta disagree.. you surprised me. thats rude and offensive actually in my opinion. lets hope for whatever most players want to happen without being toxic over it.

[devout sable]

Guys I really feel bad for u if u really want the 🐈 👂.
If u need a shoulder to 😢 on… I’m here. || just not on my office cape tho||

[stable lily]

I'll be honest, Sky is more expensive than genshin ngl LMAO

Socks, please shut up with all due respect

[civic current]

that's kind of hilariously sad

[cold coral]

This.

[drowsy barn]

Honestly while I kind of do understand where you guys are coming from, the way some of you structure your paragraphs sound so aggressive and condescending. Let people say what they want to say. People have the right to say what they think, and I don't think you guys should be shutting people out saying things like "its a horrible excuse" "You're blindly defending TGC"
People are upset about TGC shutting them out/not listening to them but some of you are kind of doing the same. People demand TGC to start listening to them but at the same time some people aren't really listening to what people with differing opinions has to say about this matter

At least thats just what I observed. I'm not trying to point fingers here. Apologies for any offense taken

[potent juniper]

I don't see that as rude as they do rely on us for money, so making everything absurdly expensive just puts everyone off.
Also hello i'm back from my break guys

[near tiger]

you are not funny... its cringe

[azure wolf]

I got stuck in that game somehow 🤣 but the style is definitely giving me 2009 emo let's hang in the cemetery and go to the mall later vibes and I absolutely love it
@sly current I bought the whole spyro trilogy for almost the same price it's definitely peaking interest rn 🥴💀

[half plaza]

that is assuming you'll still be playing this game next year, tolerating the same inflated prices we are getting right now next year again. a lot can happen in a year, and there's bound to be more iap during that gap between this year and next year.

[clear spoke]

yes - carefully planning purchases and buying the right thing makes Genshin purchases a lot more worth the money than what we can get in Sky imho

[late jolt]

stop playing in protest is being rude? for me, what they're doing with us is even worse than justs stop playing.

[steady pond]

adding onto alaikes point, performance which came directly before shattering has a higher overall cost than shattering as well, although youre not exactly wrong in SC costs rising over time

[spark lance]

BOTW 2 soon.. 3 cat ears for almost 5 yr game experience

[plain helm]

that and my favorite game of all time (the end is nigh) costs lower than good majority of sky's iaps and is actually more fun to play lmao

[spark lance]

What part of "it's not just about cat hair" do you not understand || i have your missing blue sock||

[dull jolt]

I put a information about the redesign cat mask I forgot to add.

[shadow stratus]

Also dont compare "oh my god this in game for this price?? With this money i can buy triple of the same thing in real life!!" , you buying something digital, that will last forever until the game dies, its not the same as a real life asset

[plush pier]

”its a horrible excuse” was never meant to be taken as some sort of personal attack, i genuinely think it was a horrible excuse and was voicing my distaste for it. that is not an issue. I genuinely dont care if i come off as harsh to someone, I am allowed to not be sunshine rainbows civil over things. By voicing my opinion im not silencing another, I’m disagreeing with it.

[stable lily]

Funny is that I'm f2p in Genshin but still enjoy the game and got the characters I want

F2p in Sky is just plain boring and the amount of IAPs drained me in a span of 2 years of playing

I'm actually hyped up for the Aurora season and planning to come back for it but seeing the Days of Mischief being all expensive is just unfair for people who's f2p and that hair was a new thing for us to have something different that's free

[empty garden]

Are you still discussing the cat's head gift package?

[azure wolf]

I do want to remind you of the season of aurora though 😭 supposedly that's supposed to bring in more people who are her fans
@spark lance uhm BOTW or any zelda game 10 years worth of trauma and beautiful memories ✨️

[devout sable]

Did u know a sense of humor doesn’t cost IAP… so go find one.

[potent juniper]

No. it is far more than that. It's more of the horrific pricing.
@devout sable With all due respect, you are acting like a bit of a troll, and with all the frustration boiling, it's not making anything better, so I would kindly ask you to stop.

[fervent jacinth]

Hi , anyone found map shrine in Treasure reef?

[near tiger]

stop be more cringe man... you know you dont make laugh people.. you need a IAP for not being cringe !

[civic current]

yes amongst other things, do you want to discuss it with us or are you just coming to be negative about people voicing their opinions?

[spark lance]

I'll buy your sense of humor, here's one 🦵

[velvet belfry]

Did anoyone who get annoyed by the cat backpack, theres too many strangers keep distrubing someone playing music ( including me ) , so i use the cat backpack to push her away to show that this isnt a good attitude . Turn out she added me and block me then said im the one who start first ... this is sad

[late jolt]

one hair free, a lot of not so special masks, pants that are really cool ok i liked it, an instrument and capes that aren't showed yet, mmm dont look like a strong motivation to stay

[spark lance]

Nope, we are discussing how Tgc is neglecting their community and how they are on the path to become next EA.

[swift yarrow]

i hope the best for cat hair, i hope tgc will listen to us and make a change 😳

[clear spoke]

chat what is the price of the cat ears?

I mean the price in USD, I want to use calculations here to compare two games

[cosmic orchid]

missing a sock really hit hard, huh

[limpid pumice]

Everyone please ignore trolls! Clearly they aren't willing to listen!

@spark lance
@near tiger
@fallen heath

[plain helm]

one kidney/hj

[haughty pine]

@devout sable please refrain from insults or chat trolling.

[quiet swift]

Hello!! Welcome back, hru?? :))

[rare birch]

has the beta chat calmed down a bit or...?

[azure wolf]

They don't know what's going on yet 😭
But also like serious question...are the emotes also part of the season pass because 💀

[untold goblet]

Judging by the several people are typing I'd say no

[potent juniper]

Tgc and ea collab when?? Lol

@quiet swift I'm doing fine, I made some hot chocolate How about you? ^^

[steady pond]

beta discourse always devolves into making up new things to get mad over, misinformation, exaggeration of problems, and doomposting, which never gets old every time i see it

[elfin cedar]

I'm just here to share a little turtle 𓆉
To help chiLl the air a bit uwu

[gilded parrot]

[terse yarrow]

For 13 seasons, it's 130$. How many AAA games you could buy with that money

[placid iron]

As a hollow knight player im so sorry if I seem rude but ain't no way you just said that hollow knight gives off emo vibes 😭

[devout sable]

Only if u tell me if u own a boat or not.
||Anyways… it’s a game everyone… please be careful taking things too seriously||

[spark lance]

One whole day of groceries, and your sanity

[near tiger]

im a troll ? -_- just because you say nonsense thing ? but socks are not ? wth man... we dont want this cat hairs in IAP and we need a change for the mask cat... stop being like the members SOCKS man... you are the troll and you like IAP@limpid pumice

[empty garden]

Have you reported it to tgc?

[cosmic orchid]

there's no point asking about IAP price changes btw,
they clearly find feedback about IAP prices unnecessary that just hid them altogether

[late jolt]

ok next EA makes me laugh really loud rn, i think they're on the same spot but smaller scale
@azure wolf i GUESS level 1-3 are free and level 2-4 are paid, at least in other seasons was like this, and honestly, abyss was ridiculous, performance was "good enough" and currently season is a PAIN, for sure, i think sky veteran game base will left sky very soon

[plain helm]

i can buy the blue king's bundle on steam with that money for sure

[ivory rover]

i don't think they meant you-

[jagged grove]

They pinged you not to reply to them, Cinder wasn't referring to you

[haughty pine]

Also, a friendly reminder for everyone to refrain from insults, generalizations, and otherwise rude comments toward other beta testers. Address the topic, not the people!

[limpid pumice]

I was referring to socks and what they were saying, i didn't mean to sound like i was targeting you guys!

Please don't @ them y'all it isn't that deep, it was just a misunderstanding

[agile hazel]

No, they meant you and the others to ignore the trolls

[half plaza]

bestie i think they mean you should ignore trolls , not that you're a troll ,

[quiet swift]

Ohh, that's great to hear!! I'm doing alright, just eating lunch rn. Ty for asking!

[clear spoke]

I've seen 50 USD being thrown around so I'll go with that.

With 50 USD I can buy 10 Blessings of the Welkin Moon, each of which double the income the premium currency within Genshin Impact. This has come in clutch for me to get a character I've really liked and continue to use wherever I go, and it's coming in clutch to help me get another character I genuinely love. The fact that the price of one Sky cosmetic pack is worth 10 months of me getting who I want from a GACHA GAME is absolute madness.

[languid snow]

Did something changed? It looks like channel is more chill now, did I miss something?

[modest junco]

look, i will try to advice you despite most of you being extremely mad and won't read through the words i'm trying to say, most likely will search for a negative reply against what i'm trying to say bcs it looks like i'm defending tgc.
listen to me, just please.. organise your thoughts, don't just throw them around in anger, when you report to tgc, it's best if you'd ask them to increase the IGC items, not shift IAP items to in game currency. Yes ask them to return the cat hair since it was previously an IGC item, but it's beta and beta is bound to change! we all know that. ask them to Decrease the prices of the IAPs, balance those two, if you want to make IAPs you also have to make legit IGCs, not some leftovers that look dull.
ask for your justice respectfully, complain about the ignorance wisely, use brains before veins.
please DO NOT throw unnecessary words at TGC for the sake of anger, a company deserves formality no matter what, but in here, tgc allows you to be as flexible as possible with your words, while still containing respect. make your words meaningful and understand the whole consept of this topic. don't just follow the media like a sheep. and please stop assuming the cat hair's price. it's not out yet and they might make it an only item IAP which is most likely to be $9.99 instead of $19.99 or $24.99
just please read through my words before attacking me, i'm trying to make sense while being honest, some of you are recklessly beating around the bush!
and if this sounds rude to you, please understand that this is not what i'm trying to make it reach.

[haughty pine]

This is a second warning to stop trolling. I recommend that you take this one seriously, as the third warning will be a mute.

[azure wolf]

Goth✨️ hahaha idk why this response was the tension release needed 🤣 but anyways I haven't played through it fully I had to start over
@late jolt oh ok just wondering....shattering is the only season I've played through so this is all new territory to me ✨️

[placid iron]

I can help you with some stuff in the game if you'd like lol I've 100% already

[devout sable]

Look we slowed things down! That’s good thing now.

[near tiger]

ohhhh sorry.... im french and i dont see the real thing in your post, i thinked you talked about me because i reply in one your post here... sorry @limpid pumice @agile hazel @half plaza

[late jolt]

guys it's really late in my country rn and i''m going to bed, see y'all when tgc start acting with us like we deserve

[empty garden]

I support your statement.

[limpid pumice]

Don't worry! Just a small misunderstanding, i am angry over cat items as well.

[cosmic orchid]

my brain: hOwOw knight
🚪, I see myself out

[azure wolf]

I'll have to make it work around work and classes hopefully so thank you!
this semester is supposed to be harder 😭 also very interesting profile name its pretty funny 🤣

[limpid moat]

another friendly reminder that :
TGC HIDES IAPs PRICING IN BETA

[near tiger]

ah yes "misunderstanding" this is the word i searched but i say "i miss the real thing" LOL. im angry about all the story about the cat mask and cat hair and the many iap, this is why i misunderstanding your post... tgc doesnt hear his player.... not cool

[spark lance]

Fudge, now I can't unsee it hahaha

[fiery ice]

we understand where you're coming from yes. Though with all due respect, tgc would always make an good cosmetic into an IAP which people include me are annoyed with.

It's in beta yes, it will change before it comes to live of course. Though correct me if I'm wrong that we don't like tgc giving as iaps everytime and want a good igc items as a change and break from spending money over iaps everytime. Specially the cost of the IAPs, as I said before people around the countries have different costs of the IAPs than it being only USD. It's a problem since some say it costs so much when the IAPs are 14.99 or less as a example. Tgc can't just release IAPs every single time new items will come
I know the prices aren't announced yet but you get what I mean I guess.

[limpid pumice]

Ahaha!

Not very cool of TGC indeed.

[spark lance]

You asked us to just save up and wait till next year earlier 🙂
But what u said now, i agree with it and that's what everyone has been trying to tell tgc for a while now to have balance between IAP and IGC

[half plaza]

stop assuming cat hair price
proceeds to assume the cat hair price

[stable lily]

PLS-
Not to mention, it's a bundle, bound to be expensive like the previous bundle IAPs

[cosmic orchid]

cat hair is part of the cat bundle
so it's defo gonna be pricey
anyway, there's still no point in arguing IAP prices, it's definitely a non-negotiable topic for TGC

[vague pecan]

I really don’t get why the cat mask changed so much. I was so excited when I saw the first pictures of it. 😢

[clear spoke]

while I didn't like the original cat mask much (just not my style) I agree that the new iteration looks much worse - pardon my language this is the best way I can describe it - it looks like an angry egg.

[azure wolf]

Yall it's almost 3am here imma go sleep
Yall drink some water and do some self care✨️

[cold coral]

Same.

[languid bear]

I want them to turn the cat mask back to look close to Cat's face.

[modest junco]

exactly what i though too while writing
but what i meant is for people to stop assuming the prices then tell those who ask as if they're a 100% sure about it. that only enlarges the flame and anger in the comunity as in people get angrier by the thought of it when we're not even sure..
ehhh hope you get what i mean
i'm not really good at words

[gusty cave]

it's not even a cat mask anymore. like bruh.

[swift yarrow]

it's just angery face now

[stable lily]

Oh boy, I haven't checked beta yet and this whole situation makes me want to check everything myself

Watch me create a whole paragraph of a feedback now that I have seen everything with my own 2 eyes 💀

[cosmic orchid]

it clipped a lot with the cat hair and most hairs, so they streamlined it so it fits more with hairstyles
I mean, I love animal masks and most of then clips so I don't like that it got replaced

[half plaza]

it's all good, i get where you're coming from nonetheless

[vague pecan]

It really does look like an angry egg! 😭

[thorn trout]

still going eh?

[agile hazel]

I feel bad for all the non-iap related feedback getting lost in all the apocalypse of #beta-feedback

[ocean cedar]

I'm here still waiting for them to fix the 'Stuck in a water loading screen' bug.
I can't play beta at all bcuz of that. 🧍‍♂️

[drowsy barn]

I would disagree. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and no opinion is any more or less valid than another. By saying it's a horrible excuse, it sounds like you're devaluing another person's thoughts. Even if you had no ill intention towards a person, how you word things can really change the tone of something. And you're right, you are allowed to not be sunshine and rainbows about everything but I think this more goes into just being respectful to someone. You might not mean to shut off another person but based on the way it was worded, I think it can easily be interpreted as punting off someone else's thoughts. I think it's important to care about how you might come off to someone because the person on the receiving end is a human just like everyone else. It seems like you're upset because it feels like TGC isn't respecting beta player's input but it doesn't seem like you put much effort into respecting others.

[modest junco]

i didn't say save up and wait i said manage your purchases and don't stress out since it will return next year-
we have 12 months in our hands, unless these are not enough either i guess..
sorry for the inconvinience

@sour knot yeah that's what i feared too, people were too angry to even understand the point that some of us are trying to state
glad things have cooled down, i honestly love this comunity and i always get reminded why when times like these happen, people slowly opened up their minds thankfully

[cosmic orchid]

its just in mask form

[languid bear]

If you miss the old cat mask version, and if you want the current cat*(actually angry human)* mask to be a real cat mask,(So do i)
let's send feedback together! Feedback drives change!

Plz Let's make change together by sending feedback!

[stable lily]

BRO WHAT IS THAT CAT MASK LMAO 😭

THE CAT WENT BALD- kitty went bald im- 😭

[safe glade]

At least if they can't switch cat ear hair to IGC like before, they may disassemble the bundle and give us the possibility to buy just the item we are interested in.

[muted inlet]

I didn't buy the cat ear hair when beta is updated because i don't have enough candles , but now the cat ear hair is in cat cape IAP that i already have, I can't have the hair anymore? (im sorry ,my English is not that good..)

[rapid reef]

Disappointed to see this conversation went back to being all about cosmetics when for two days there was a genuine attempt to hold TGC accountable for their behavior toward the community.

[rough falcon]

Agreed

[potent juniper]

This ^^

[cosmic orchid]

if they do split it, I'll be more pricey in total and as a bundle

and in no way will it be cheap
the only IAP I know that is truly cheap in Sky is 🍊,
thats why 🍊 is the best IAP out there

(replying to the person after me)
no, there was no change whatsoever
they'll probably give out a clarification after the weekend is over

[dusty walrus]

Has tgc changed the cat hair back to igc?

[near tiger]

i dont agreed, we talk about the cosmetics and the behavior too !

[spark lance]

Awh, don't say sorry. Everyone is stating their opinions from what they have understood but it would be really appreciated if ppl see and understand the reason behind the criticism. ^^ ( and no it's not just about cat hair 🙂)

[stable lily]

Second this

Or just the community backlashing each other when the problem in front is watching 💀

[teal spire]

Any changes?

[modest junco]

You deserve a

[ocean cedar]

Better keep going.
Make sure they LISTEN this time.

[cosmic orchid]

1st update came
people genuinely happy and praising tgc because everything is amazing
next day feels like tgc just went "it's getting too chummy around here" and chose violence

[spark lance]

We gotta carry this out til Monday

Let em know we are tired of their behavior towards the community and we deserve to be heard

[stable lily]

If the TLP season drama went for weeks then this should be too

But since it's been 2 days, people are gonna be calmer at that time... Well on a tight edge of a calm and one wrong move it'll break

I also wished for people to stop saying "You guys are still at this?" duh of course they will, it's literally a beta discussion not casual talk

[spark lance]

I think we should keep going till a solid decision is made

[plush pier]

saying that im acting hypocritical over word choice is very, very annoying actually !!! Believe it or not im not in a state of power where im silencing someone or flat out ignoring them, as TGC often seems to do, i am simply giving my opinion about theres, and my opinion was that it sucked. I couldn’t care less about what you think about the way i word things, i genuinely couldn’t. It isn’t like me stating my opinion deleted theres from existense. Unlike TGC, it isn’t in my job description here to listen to people.

Sorry this took so long to respond, without pings it takes me longer to see things sometimes.

[near tiger]

GUYS ! I NEED YOU i put a meme in the beta screenshot video topic ! please make some reaction !!

[agile hazel]

It's only been 31+ hours. The day one was fine with the first build, everything went to hell when the second build dropped

[cosmic orchid]

tgc: just waiting it out until the heat dies down and continue again as usual

[safe glade]

I see your point, but if they want us to buy the cat ears, because if they made them an IAP they want us to do so, I could be more enticed to buy just the cat ears for a """reasonable price""" instead that (I guess based on prices of past bundles) a 20$ bundle with cosmetics or candles wich I'm not interested in.

[rapid reef]

While I'm all for speaking up, I know the cosmetic situation was shady from a consumer perspective. Beta is beta after all, things changes. But it highlightened a massive lack of transparency inntheir communications with us. They said one thing but when it was proven false, it never got mentionned in the updates and instead was just said to be a simple switch. It's not okay to lack this much trasparency. We're here to test thing but error, miscommunications and misinformations still need to be addressed.

TGC has became hostile to their community over time. As a paying customer I feel preyed upon by TGC's increasingly predatory prices and IAPs. I don't feel heard from the feedbacks and reports and it has happened in the past that reports and feedbacks never resulted in fixes only for seasons or event to go in live filled with reported issues submitted from beta testing. As a player I feel disrespected from their attitude toward F2Ps content. The balance in the game is slowly shifting toward this predatory behavior on paying players and it leave F2Ps gaining a larger fear of missing out. F2Ps are the major part of the community that share the game to their friends and talk about it in a vividly bright light, they deserve more nice items they can obtain or look forward to.

TGC can do better. We want to see improvement, not perfection.

[stark lake]

~~don't need the /j. they release updates on the weekend for giggles ~~

[late sonnet]

One of my feedback points was make it like the catch up packs of the past
Separate the items but also have a bundle version to buy

[fading lily]

If cat hair styles were not sold in bundles, maybe more people would buy them.

[nova parrot]

hey i just woke up, has something changed or its the same as yesterday??

[cosmic orchid]

they hid the IAP prices in beta because they find the feedbacks about it unnecessary
no matter how loud we voice those out, it's not the feedback they want and therefore 🚮

*thanks for the correction Elysian

[agile hazel]

*not the feedback they want

[plush pier]

filter test; hell

Swaggy i can say hell

[fleet cape]

is it just me or is beta server down? i havent been able to get access for hours

[spark lance]

it's the same yesterday

[spark lance]

I think so too, I was just saying til Monday because I think that's when devs will be in work again and they'll see our messages and stuffs

Hopefully they listen to us and listen well, I'm so tired of this non stop, repeated, slap in the face behavior from them. It's been going on for such a long time

[upbeat furnace]

This ⬆️

[analog sun]

your comments have been so on point since this brouhaha love to see it

[nova parrot]

bruh, did tgc at least say something to us ¿

[lilac solstice]

We've had devs pop in and out of chat multiple times. Mainly to explain their side of things

[safe glade]

That was not my point ;-;
What I mean to say is exactly what @late sonnet and @fading lily wrote after me.
Mine was an example

[agile hazel]

Yes #beta-discussion message

Yo if mods are reading, could you pin Whirthun's message?

[haughty pine]

Given that it is Friday night for TGC, and that they've received an incredible number of feedback over this that they'll have to process, it's likely that there will not be much more news until next week, as most of their developers will have the weekend off.

[wheat bison]

dishonor disgrace in his eyes you see evil

[spark lance]

It's really disappointing. I remember so clearly when Tgc mentioned in one of their event post in the past, about keeping the balance between IAP and IGC and how they want everyone to feel included and not feel leftout cuz sky is for everyone. Good times

[cursive tinsel]

This isn't going be fixed until there is an official response and update to make any change...which won't be until end of Monday in TGC land at the earliest
So use the next 2 days to return your feedback into the most respectful, most insightful and explanatory feedback ever

[cosmic orchid]

ah, makes sense

[rapid reef]

I'm genuinely touched you think this way about my two cents into this entire fiasco!

[oak spruce]

sorry for the disruption, I do think tgc needs to listen to the community more, I just want to give a quick mention to accessibility issues as well. for example, the new ui for the friend constellations is incredibly difficult for someone with visual issues to navigate. so, if someone reasons that cosmetics don’t matter, there are other issues that definitely do and needs to be fixed but hasn’t 😭

[near tiger]

ok 🙂

[spark lance]

Fr, and now look at the balance. It's just so wrong. 4 igc that are not even that appealing to some people and 9 items that are IAPs... Smh. TGC really is disappointing

[gusty bloom]

Hiya

[haughty pine]

I'll go see if I can, yes

[cosmic orchid]

confusion 💯

[ocean cedar]

They need to add more game settings at least.
Sky really lacks one

[rapid reef]

This also enter into feedbacks and reports!

I brushed of thing very quickly in my text wall. But there has been many concern and reports about accessibilities and certain options needing to be introduced in the option menu. But that's something that has been brought up since enchantment in accordance to a friend of mine and has never been heard. At least, it never felt like it was heard at all!

When the game was still new, it was still understandable that some options might not all be there. But by now it's awful to see. I have to avoid my white cape because of how strong the bloom is in certain area. It genuinely hurt player's eyes.(Need to mention I don't have issues with it, but from the ammount of players telling me it hurt their eyes.. It's concerning there's no options for that.)

[languid bear]

I would like to thank all of you who are trying to have a conversation with the TGC by discussing it very seriously.

[arctic holly]

I hope the cat hair will return to the candle exchange and the cat mask will return to the original design

[haughty pine]

I pinned Whirthun's message — for those of you who didn't see it, check it out because it's an update from a dev on the situation. You might find it helpful!

[gusty bloom]

I haven't played the game for a while and i smell fire, can someone give me a quick run trough?

[rapid reef]

@gusty bloom This is the best I can offer.

[cosmic orchid]

bloom, motion blur and bright flashes settings

definitely wish the starting message of the game wasn't "Best played with earphones", it should be "bright flashes ahead"
even Netflix does those

[flat willow]

i second this, i literally cannot try clothes out at home or prarie during the daytime cycle because its so bright that i cannot see properly

also no need to scream jeez (this goes for the person underneath me lmao)

[blissful gulch]

TGC Just want to squeeze as much money out of us at it can by putting effort only in the IAP objects of all of the events that they release almost monthly, they become more and more lazy and unimaginative, have you seen the current season? THIS SEASON CANNOT EVEN BE CONSIDERED A SEASON, YOU CAN SEE THEY DIDN'T EVEN PUT A MINIMUN EFFORT AND THEY ONLY GOT SONETHING HALF-DONE TO BE ABLE TO GET A FEW MORE DOLLARS

[agile hazel]

What season are you talking about? Shattering had no IAPs and Aurora is really well done so far
Are you talking about Days of Mischief?

[gusty bloom]

They're defenitely not as in touch with the fanbase as they used too

[sterile plinth]

You do realize that this is literally the second build of the season, right? Things are very much WiP for a reason as mentioned in #beta-announcements, Beta always goes through tons of iterations for different items through feedback and design choices etc.

[spark lance]

I think for the IAPs they were talking about the events, not the season

[rapid reef]

All right. I think the situation is very much back to the main point of TGC's attitude. I should go sleep now.

It's okay to not agree, people, just a general reminder. But do understand that those that are trying to tell TGC to do better are not doing this only over a cosmetic. We want improvement! Improvement is all we truly ask for of them. And that's what we'll keep pushing for until further notice from TGC's handling on this entire situation.

Noght y'all. Stay safe and don't let this be just about cosmetics. It's a deeper issue that has been getting worst over time.

[dusty oar]

Second this.
Been following this chat out of sfeer curiousity for the new season but i wish i hadnt seen how extreme and negative this community is.

[lilac solstice]

Look, I'm not enjoying some of the recent changes, but there's really no reason to get so worked up over all of this. Please take a breather and step away for a bit

[nocturne dew]

(I’m still holding out hope that cat ears will go back to IGC but in the meantime here’s an interesting tidbit I found) #beta-screenshots-videos message

[haughty pine]

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet — please check the pins!

[sterile plinth]

Literally the first message in the update says this

[quiet swift]

The only thing I want is to have more prettier cosmetics that can be igp friendly and a few bugs in the game fixed

[spark lance]

While it seems the majority is negative, a good amount of us are not and only want the best especially for players in the live version and if it needs to be taken to a little more measures to be heard we will do so in a polite, appropriate manner. Thought I'd just point that out

[finite crown]

Okay but that's doesn't mean we can't write them us options and what we don't like and what we like (in the feedback)

[plush pier]

cant just pull “everything is subject to change” when people dont like that TGC has issues. Yea everything is subject to change but TGC has shown us MANY TIMES that things WONT be changed, no matter how much people hate whatever they want to put us through. We aren’t being irrational here.

[sterile plinth]

Yeah, that's true, one doesn't exclude the other, that's the point of getting feedback right now

[compact raven]

how did the cat mask look like before?

[vestal pier]

i’m still betting that this chat will be completely unusable if this continues for a couple of days

[sacred granite]

I think this is a bjg jump, our community is far from negative aside from a few things and i personally think those few things are valid. this chat is definitely going to be a bit wonky for a few days until a change happens i think KAHSKB

[dusty oar]

Perhaps the negative messages overflow the positive ones at the moment, I'll be looking forward to seeing constructive critism again rather than TgC jUsT WanTs MoNeYy

[quiet swift]

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

Also you can look at beta-screenshot-videos to see what the cat mask looked like before @compact raven !!

[thorny jay]

If it isnt just shut down lol

[cosmic orchid]

ah
"Everything in beta is subject to change"
the good ol get away with every mistake in beta card that completely make our complaints invalid

[spark lance]

Yes, at the moment they do because a lot of people are upset. I think that they are thinking more with feeling than with logic haha, it's bound to happen

But yea, in the crowd within there are a good amount of people giving constructive criticism and alternative options for what has been done for now, which I think is good

[vestal pier]

fr tho loll

[dusty oar]

🙏i agree, im thankful for the betatester that take this seriously and not get overuled by emotions.

[blissful gulch]

Did you read my message? When i talked about IAP i didn't mean the Shattering season, i was talking about the EVENTS like Lazy days, Nature days etc when 6 of 7 things are totally IAP

And now, talking about Shattering, this season is LITERALLY the most ugliest and most ininspired season that has came out, a season wich there are no challenges, spirits or emotes where half of the cosmetics are totally recycled and where there is not even an undertone to something beyond "e few pieces of Eden fell, please clean them up can you?"

It's obvius that TGC didn't put a simple effort on this, they become just in a lazy and stupid company that doesn't put even LOVE and DEDICATION into things and only wants QUANTITY before QUALITY

[vestal pier]

[sly needle]

PLEASE IM EXACTLY LIKE THIS NOW😭

[harsh nest]

Same here , watching this drama happening

[winter mesa]

Woah woah woah

[split notch]

I'd have to disagree on saying the season of shattering was lazy, yes it was very disappointing compared to other seasons but the memories that we were shown after the quests were really the fuel a lore driven player needed so shattering wasn't all too bad in my opinion

[flat willow]

I agree with you, but framing your opinions as facts is just :/ @blissful gulch

[lilac solstice]

Honestly at this point, Idc if the hair is iap anymore. The fire here burned me out and I barely pop in here

[limpid pumice]

Okay night night sleep sleep time, remember to respect F2P players and remember Shattering does not have lore, it's just a bad volcano explosion season.

Respect each other and keep voicing your opinions to have TGC hear you guys out, remember rest at some point as well! Cyucyu~

[spark lance]

Well ....this is partially true..
I don't think it's necessarily the ugliest season? I think it just didn't have a lot of thought go into it as much as past seasons did. I felt it was pretty rushed ngl because of how quick it came out @blissful gulch

I feel bad for being excited for aurora and cat cosmetics and the cat krills when everyone is upset but I can’t wait for Aurora and Mischief!! Imagine if we got a MEOW call. omg

[gilded tree]

Oot from IAP cat stuff

Just wondering if the witch hat (w/o hair) is coming back again this year... will they comeback again later as in spell again or we can buy the hat permanently?

Cuz I wish it's not in spell only

[vestal pier]

now i know what to do when i’m bored, just read this chat

[ornate rover]

Yeah I was also disappointed by the lack of a story this season along with there being no spirits. This season had so much potential

[ocean cedar]

Let us ride krills as a compensation

[quiet swift]

Yeah, same!! I rlly wanna do a grateful shell collector hair + witch hat combo for my character if they ever do

[sacred granite]

I can agree with a bit of the “ laziness “, maybe thats not the term but yeah; i think your emotions are valid. Compare this season to another, say prophecy, its very lacking. It becomes even more lacking when you see it was advertised by being connected with the eden realm(?), its just a season you expect to be bigger. Even more, ive seen sky kids on the more art side of insta say they’ve had ocs with the current seasons hair already made and it was quite the coincidence haha

I’m sure our devs are trying our hardest and i think its a bit harsh to call them stupid, they created our beloved game after all, but i think you should take a few deep breaths and come back to chat. I feel like saying our devs are stupid or saying they didn’t put enough effort can come off as just rude instead of anything else. Its just not what we need in this chat.

[sly needle]

A miao call sounds pretty fun ngl!

[spark lance]

Strange when all i heard was people saying "i thought there would be lore this season". If you look at the cosmetics there is literally zero efforts put. We don't need another jelly fish hair with a added crown. Not tgc thinking we are blind x_x

i need a meow call in my life that would be so cute maybe a krill sounding meow like the krills cats. i can’t to run around as a cat and that cat backpack too omg!! ❤️

[dark quail]

Sorry to interrupt but I come bearing 💙🧡💜💚💛 🍪 🍰 for all

[ornate rover]

I'd assume they'd bring them back since they'd make money off of the items

[sly needle]

I think shattering is my first actual season cuz before it I wasn’t really active on the game, I’m getting into it again recently, and seeing people talking about how bad shattering turned out to be is pretty funny😭 I feel like I’m just sitting there clueless watching people argue

[split notch]

That's their opinions on the season and this is mine, to be this indeed gave me some lore but to them if it didn't then okay

[keen stirrup]

I pondered along a sad realization as I kept hyperfixating on the possibility of a Sky Aurora concert, that if a sky concert were to happen with Aurora, there’s a great chance that they might use it for profits; Per example, the infamous cat bundle Though hopefully considering Aurora’s more progressive approach, it might be part of a fundraiser for preserving Norweigan or international endangered cultures

[spark lance]

There is loreee? :0 May we know the lore too?

[sacred granite]

I also think season of shattering lost alot of its potential, it feels weird seeing a promo/paid(?) season coming after this season ends like, its sort of being just skipped over? It should’ve been a bigger season IMO, and i think this season should’ve been waaay in the future.

I just think a follow up season should’ve been in place, maybe just a more happy themed one to follow up what happened after the sky world had darkness fall upon it, we fixed the darkness; maybe the new season could’ve been helping spirits recover after all the darkness, it’d be a nice way to reconnect with spirits we haven’t really seen (us vets mostly) in awhile, like in isle maybe.

[sly needle]

Ty soldier have something for u too 🍔🍕🎂🍿🍦🍪

[split notch]

Sure if you're interested in my theories?? Best if we discuss the lore in lore channel but I'd be more than happy to share my theory

[blissful gulch]

That's your oppinion, you can think whatever you want and have te opinion you want, but that do will not change that this season does not have any kind of salvation, it is simple BAD and made whitout effort just to fill and say "here, take this, a season you see? You can buy thinks and clean eden pieces. . . It's a season isn't it?"

And no bro, THERE IS NO LORE HERE, theories are just a way to tryng to improve a bit, THERE IS NO OFFICIAL LORE

[ornate rover]

We can't even go back to the memories once the next one is available..

[safe glade]

Guys shattering went live one billion years ago... what's the point of talking about how bad it is here (despite I totally agree with you all)?
We need to talk about what we currently have in beta ;-;

[flat willow]

Also what are yalls thoughts on getting less seasons (aka having them further appart) but having them be more polished? (aka more content; cosmetics, spirits, lore and activities)

[ocean cedar]

That's better than a rushed one

[keen stirrup]

Personally, I see this season as being the largest redemption we’ve seen since Flight.. The creativity of this season has been quite the enlightenment, since Flight again. The emotes are also quite interesting as they are such expressions that you might see in a concert (#foreshadowing #skyauroraconcertolsplsplssplsssss)

[keen stirrup]

More window of time for creativity

[empty garden]

What are you discussing?

[upbeat furnace]

I think this is a great idea, I personally find season coming so after one another to be pretty overwhelming

[sacred granite]

More time for us to rest and catch up

[warped brook]

I just want the original cat mask come back

[ornate rover]

Yeah I'd like this. The rest between each season is too short that I just end up skipping seasons altogether for a break

[sly needle]

Im really exited for what’s coming too! And I regret missing all the previous seasons, but all the chaos that is happening is fair and valid let’s see if things change or it stays like this about the beta cosmetics!

[blissful gulch]

I totally agree with that, before shattering started i heard about it and all the context of "Darkness and Light" fascinated me, but the lack of the dedication of TGC meant that even something with so much potential ended up being a totally lousy season made just to fill us by 2 months, it's dissapointing

[pulsar blade]

Reset time. Login issues again

[steady flume]

I have some mixed feelings on shattering but they are nowhere near as negative as most of the stances I've seen in the beta channels. while I do agree that the quests are very monotonous and that the motivation or the reason for us to cleanse the realm is missing, I wouldn't exactly agree with the statement that the season is lazy. The whole concept of shards as a new way to collect ascended candles is not exactly something that's done on a whim. I also love the cosmetics and how they're designed after dark and light creatures. While the season was nowhere near perfect, it definitely wasn't as bad as many people made it out to be, at least in my personal opinion, and I also wouldn't call it lazy. I'm quite happy that I bought the AP

but when it comes to IAPs from events, I don't really feel the need to buy them personally, and with what happened to cat hair, the days of rainbow charity thing and other recent events it doesn't seem like that's gonna change for me anytime soon

[safe glade]

We gave lot's of feedbacks and Robert saw the discussion too.
Let's wait until monday and see what they will come up with

[thorny jay]

I'm sure a lot of people are asleep now! It'll come back, I'm sure

[agile hazel]

If you're going to discuss season stuff head to #beta-season-test-chat

[upbeat furnace]

I’m kinda worried if we stop talking about it, then nothing will change 😞, hopefully they’ll change it on Monday

[autumn grail]

When can I change the cat?I always get blown away by strangers.

[sly needle]

It was so much better then what we have now the new mask isn’t bad itself but it’s not a good replacement for the previous one, it would made more sense if they where 2 completely different things (my opinion)

[flat willow]

I feel like there needs to be a revamp on seasons/systems (like TS, wax collection, etc) but thats such a difficult thing to even start to do because theres always gonna be a part of the community that will not like it and liked it more as it was... But at the same time it cannot stay as it is rn because as someone said like, 2 hours ago the way the game is set up is unsustainable at the moment

[blissful gulch]

No it doesn't xD i'm still here, more ppl are coming :)

[ornate rover]

The new mask is a terrible. I just want a cat mask finally

[ocean tinsel]

Just curious anyone else having problems with the seasonal wax?

[amber solar]

i would actually like that a lot ngl it gives more space for a breather and it can ensure that there’s higher quality in the items without them being rushed and stuff

[ocean cedar]

IGC cat mask and cat hair

[steady flume]

Hard agree on the TS system, with the amount of spirits in the TS pool it would take either a miracle or several years of waiting for your dream spirit to visit

[analog sun]

For a while now, I've felt disagreeable to how short the period between seasons have gotten with each season

I definitely want more time before seasons especially if it results in a more polished result

[warped brook]

I can’t see much features of cat from the new one, so I don’t understand why they chose this version

[sly needle]

The concept of the cat cosmetics made much more sense with the theme and everything, I completely agree

[flat willow]

I feel like two weeks isnt enough of a break for both the artists and the playerbase to relax (i know that they usually finish seasons before that so in reality they have more time to come up with ideas and cooldown but my point still stands)

[safe glade]

or break into the office with a lorry (I'm joking, violence is never the way... ||is the solution... (I'm joking again)||)

[trim lance]

Me

[ocean cedar]

I'll be there too

[analog sun]

people had to rest and resume with responsibilities

we can always resume once everyone is well rested!

[wild yoke]

So how’s going

[flat willow]

im brainstorming different ideas that might help mitigate the issues of this game/community

[split notch]

I agree with this, we need more time to relax and take in the season that just arrived and just chill in the game without any seasons for abit while TGC has more time to come up with better seasons

[analog sun]

I'm definitely gonna be here with you when they actually finally address this mess haha

[lyric sleet]

without seasons the game is boring.. same cr nothing new .. i understand polish is an ongoing activity ..

[rocky nest]

I really hope that they don't only make the cat hair for in game currency but I hope they improve in the future without being money hungry also. Especially that. One item is one item but they'll do it again

[terse flame]

is the controversy still goin on?

[flat willow]

like, maybe its not only about the seasons, because say a month of off time between seasons, doing only dailies during a month could get annoying and cumbersome, maybe also some type of change to dailies (i was literally thinking about this too )

[woeful obsidian]

Tgc! The cat is the hell.! Hear me out. My friend afk and now death.. Because stupid guys pushed her into water..

[half plaza]

i mean even with seasons it's basically the same except we get like new 5 mins of content every 2 weeks i'd rather have them be polished and more spaced out

[blissful gulch]

Take it for granted

[warped brook]

I need a reply of sincerity from tgc

[split notch]

TGC has said that they are very vague about the lore because they want us to come up with our own theories which is kinda nice for someone like me, if you don't consider the memories lore then that is your opinion but in my opinion I do consider them lore pieces

[plush pier]

In every way this approach is better. I feel we get no chill time between seasons, and they keep getting more and more rushed,

[rocky nest]

I still think we should keep it up otherwise they won't listen. other wise they'll be left with the impression of "we can do anything we want. the fire will go down 2 days later anyway."

What are yalls opinions on this +

@terse flame bad mouthing =/= criticising

also they're neglecting their players

[terse flame]

Yall gon keep bad mouthing until they change?

oh i see

[analog sun]

It wasn't too boring, it was an opportunity to relax after grind during seasons

then between seasons you could choose to grind for events

but now it's season then event then season with events in quick succession it's tiring

[flat willow]

Lots of people before showed interest in minigames of some sort, what about if not only theres the 4 quests everyday (that should probably give more candles off season, maybe two?) there were minigames that reset everyweek and you can compare your score with your friends? That would add activities to do, maybe add some healthy competition to the game and maybe could grant you some extra candles at the end of the week! Also would help mitigate off season fatigue ig

[versed mountain]

If we don’t keep it up nothing will change, and they can/might do it again, imo

[rocky nest]

I say if we're not happy with something we're allowed to speak on it. the "it's just a game" argument is dumb keep up that mentality instead of improving and sky will lose all its players. remember this isn't about the cat hair and mask only. those were just examples

cat hair too good for poor people, becomes lap

cat mask too good for poor people also, becomes cheap reskin, other version left in the sand

@versed mountain yes

@analog sun they understand now, like 3 ppl told them. stop it

[ornate rover]

That time could be used as a way to take a break from the game because so many get burn out. Or more time to spend with friends which I don't have time to do a lot. Maybe events could be strategically placed during these breaks too so we can enjoy them more

[analog sun]

your bad faith attempt at describing the criticisms is not helpful in any way

People were providing critical feedback not "bad mouthing"

@rocky nest
Who do you think you are to tell me to "stop it"
There's a cool down, I had a reply ready, it's getting sent

[flat willow]

the cathair has been confirmed to not be in its final form and is a placeholder, check 📌

[warped brook]

Will they listen to us? I’m not sure

[plush pier]

Probably not, TGC never actually listens to feedback.

[versed mountain]

They never said it was a place holder there, the pin says that it’s still being iterated on. And who says they wouldn’t have left it there in the first place if we didn’t voice our opinions on it?

[rocky nest]

yeah cathair this and that, igc or not but the controversy doesn't revolve only around it. it was just a factor that started this and the mistakes of tgc from the past 💀

[tawdry pine]

The one Time they heard and i remember from the top of my head: the little Prince iaps. everything was iap and the VERY vocal outrage lead to some of the iaps becoming ults instead

[sacred granite]

100% these chats do not exist for no reasons.

[flat willow]

@rocky nest i agree that they didnt communicate properly to us and left us in the dark, but now that its been clarified, theres no point in dwelling that the mask is uglier (i only realized i said hair in my prev mssg oops) its better if we drop it feedback that we disagree with how it looks and maybe we can discuss whats a more appealing version of a mask that we would like

[plush pier]

Thats still only ONE time out of the many we’ve been ignored. 1 half-cooked “redemption” doesnt mean anything if after that they learned nothin at all. (/nmay)

[spice mason]

I've been beta testing for 2 years.

And i do feel this situation feels the most egregious. Just because of how it happened. In previous cases. These items were already IAP. But the fact after everyone shared that they loved the cat hair- That it was moved? Oof. Big time.

[rocky nest]

my guy, they understood already. no need to beat a dead horse. also you're coming off as aggressive so I'd say be careful with that

@flat willow yeah true I think they should be separate

[tawdry pine]

Yes those too

Feedback does get heard.. when It isnt send to feedback as much as it is sent by the tons in a public chat

[torn narwhal]

Even Live ppl are angry

[spark lance]

have they divided the beta discussion chat like this before?

[analog sun]

And you came off as aggressive to me so you keep your warning

[plush pier]

Then after that they no longer let us see IAP items prices until live. That wasnt a win imo, very much a loss and another bad thing to add to the ever-growing list. Sorry if i sound stupid rn its 4 am lolol

[hallow igloo]

Well that's not good. They shouldn't even be knowing about what DoM are coming yet unless officially stated, unless some disgruntled people on here decided to spread this to other outlets

[lyric sleet]

There are many ways to interpret this, my interpretation is every season brings business opportunities (sales) and revenue for the company. Any and all business would prefer that, isn't it?

[rocky nest]

yall really have an attitude huh. maybe just heated up from this whole thing. it's alright I understand, I'm frustrated too.

@torn narwhal good, maybe they'll be heard. but they shouldn't give out spoilers.

[agile hazel]

It was planned to be changed to IAP a week before the first build released but due to internal miscommunication it was IGC. It just highlights the poor communication they have between teams and devs.
I don't buy into the whole conspiracy that TGC changed it overnight due to our positive reaction, but the timing made it seem really shady

[brave falcon]

Sorry to cut the line, I really am-
Just small friendly reminder that please take good care of yourself ;^;

[tawdry pine]

The beta and beta chat is open to the public to see tho. This isnt genshin who has you sign a NDA and Sue you if beta contents gets shared

[torn narwhal]

I mean, YouTubers are telling them everything

[analog sun]

Yea I understand opportunities to generate more revenue
it's just a risk for expediting burn out which is why it's worth a lament

[spice mason]

I'm not saying it is because of that. God, no.. but . The timing was terrible. And the lack of communication . I. Ehh.

[still mauve]

Then what are the reasons of having so many channels like #wishlist-and-ideas-archived and this one? Since they only listen to feedbacks what's the point tbh we don't feel heared it's like the silent treatment where we have to accept everything they do and after some days we all forget about it like it happens everytime. Having one free igc thing wasn't gonna kill anyone and putting it IAP since it gained popularity AND THEN make the excuse " it was a mistake " I'm not the only one who doesn't believe these words, we don't have to believe everything from a person's mouth, the lowest move is that they make the mask cheaper and look like garbage just cuz now it's igc? Wow I mean getting it's quality down cuz it's for poor players it's kinda a shady move there... People keep complaining about more things than these 2 things happening right now how can you say you planned it a week before and expect all of us to get over it . Like others I don't but the mistake excuse like I said , what's the hope we have tho?

[spark lance]

I just don't understand the meaning of not putting prices, if they do so what is the use of giving feedback if you can't? What could happen in beta (as it has lasted for days in this channel) will move to live

[plush pier]

They just want us to shut up so they can charge whatever they want without our complaints. However, it kind of did the opposite lolol

[livid ridge]

How is the cat hair rage going?

[plucky sequoia]

this is still going on

[blissful gulch]

I completely understand you, i also love theories, and I know that TGC has never tried so hard to put lore in their seasons but, in a season where there are not even spirits that give it more emotion and make it feel more fill the least they would have been to put a history or a lore don't you think? But they didn't, the only thing they did was make her feel bored, a season lacking everything can not only be sustained with fan's theories, in this case the excuse that TGC does not usually put lore in their seasons has no point of vality, there is no point to justify that they give us a half-made trash and called it "season"

[analog sun]

honestly ppl should consider not giving tgc any more ideas through that channel and other avenues

they're gonna take your idea, not acknowledge your contributions, and slap it behind an IAP like cat hair

[stiff socket]

I have a feeling that the items that are expected and loved by many players will all turn into IAPs

[still mauve]

Exactly so we're all talking in this channel for nothing if all we have to do is say everything in feedback our complaints have almost impossible chances they'll get to see them , if they do a mistake any time they either bring an excuse or just make an apology and then everyone has to move on? Nah cuz this time has come to this far where people in this community are starting to quit due to the lack of no good looking igc items.

[hallow igloo]

Are you implying that tgc has never once considered cat hair as an item and blatantly took it from someone uncredited? I mean, if you're affirming it, do you have the original post or idea? Just to get a better sense.

[tepid perch]

You are right, the $19.99 Yellow umbrella had received feedback, but they did nothing

[livid ridge]

Well i think there are some way to solve this

• Take the cat hair out of the pack
• Make the cat hair available for candle and pack at the same time
• Keep the cat hair pack but give us cat ear accessories

[clear spoke]

idk but I requested a gold crown in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived and now it looks like a crown-like thing is in season of aurora??? it's quite odd but idk if it's true since it didn't match up to an optional specification I put in the suggestion

[agile hazel]

Sword and rainbow pants were changed tho. At least winning some fights is better than none

[vagrant pebble]

The gold crown iap on aurora is from her actual irl accessory. If you search for aurora fashion
Since most of this season is based on her music clip + other fashion makeups etc

By frey #beta-screenshots-videos message

[brave falcon]

It's not new to be honest, I've saw many arts (mostly from China) for ideas like this before

[lyric sleet]

Agreed! ✅

[feral marlin]

Offer from TGC :
You give me : 500$
I'll give you : cat ear

[still mauve]

And now the umbrella things is in the past cuz they will let us complain here until "we calm down"

@agile hazel they changed but for igc and with what price? 200 candles for those pants that takes time to grind candles like crazy and having the ts the same month was too much.

[analog sun]

nah no proof but cat ears have been a very vocal request i've seen for a while now so if tgc has been planning that for a while then it doesn't negate the rest of my comment

there was a comment here about how tgc used their idea, there has also been a long time vocal desire in the community for krill cosmetics then we got shattering

overall my comment is influenced by the long time practice of companies taking community ideas, taking it, then profiting from it. I'm just saying don't make it easier for them

[versed mountain]

not sure on the story, but didn’t someone come forward with conception art of the flying race that they weren’t given credit? I didn’t follow the story too well so not sure

[livid ridge]

So they choose war then

[clear spoke]

ah ok, i'm unfamiliar with aurora so i didnt know

that eases my concerns a little (although im still not a fan of the crown, i dont like the silhouette)

[agile hazel]

Unless TGC specifically used someone's design, a simple idea doesn't belong to anyone

[tepid perch]

I'd probably feel a little better if TGC turned this cape into the Little Prince's scarf cape

[sacred granite]

❤️ it would look like a cat tail !!

[blissful gulch]

Totally agree with you, TGC no longer cares about free2play players and they only look at the porcentage that spends money in game, putting out events almost monthly were 7 out 8 cosmetics are IAP (and super expensive) while the ugliest is the free one

I mean bruh, 20 $ for a stick with a marshmellow that you can't even use if you don't have a fire nearby? That's crazy

[rough falcon]

I'm glad we're bringing up the marshmallows. That's absolutely stupid. That should be 3$ MAX.

[stiff socket]

Well in my opinion, most sky players are still of school age. It may not be reasonable to raise the price too much for a hair. There will be a lot of people who strongly oppose

[ocean cedar]

If they are not gonna change it, I guess I should consider leaving sky.

Even I can't stand the community's toxic positivity.

[lyric sleet]

Then what is the use of wishlists and ideas as a channel?

[tepid perch]

You are right, after all, no one is going to pay $20 for a marshmallow and bake it themselves

[steady pond]

i see that we're going into the "let's draw the most unreasonable conclusion with zero evidence to slam tgc for no reason" territory now

[blissful gulch]

Yeah dude, i say with 20 usd in my country you can even buy the Left4Dead2 xD or a pack of real marshmallows, that's so mad

[analog sun]

not really saying an idea belongs to anyone

mostly pointing out that you shouldn't make it easy for tgc to know what you want through free concept art cause then you're at risk of getting something you want locked behind IAP

[amber harness]

So the hope or despair of hair is still happening

[clear spoke]

in shattering, F2P got:
A hair that makes you look like a weird mushroom
A cape that makes you look like a weird mushroom
A cape that resembles one from Season of Flight to a concerning degree
Music sheet x2
Shouldercrab (im satisfied w/ this one, shouldercrab is live laugh love)
Hair that looks kind of okay ig
Dark plant hairpiece that will prolly clip into most hairs like the AP butterfly

IMMENSE STRESS FROM ONLY HAVING 2 DAYS OF LEEWAY

[versed mountain]

You can buy almost an entire kit for s’mores before that IAP 😭😭

[agile hazel]

To get ideas and things the community wants? As I said, ideas don't belong to anyone, TGC are free to use ideas unless it's someone's specific design/art etc

Dalethta, sure

[long nimbus]

Does anyone know what to do with the spirit trapped behind bars at the Cackling Crab? Like I can get into the area, and the place with candle cake and another cat... But other than that I'm clueless

[brave falcon]

Can I text you, I might have some that can bring up something

[still mauve]

fr I don't think any of the players realize that they actually don't really care after all cuz if they did they would've addressed it as a mistake sooner not after a day, having cute or good looking cosmetics IAP but them being a not so affordable price is low , they're not only risking their business going down but also their game not getting any players no more , if they don't change now when will they change ? Until we continue to forget every mistake sadly. IAP prices are insanely put for the players that are obviously rich or have money to spend , but i think they forgot that this game is also for underage players their audience is 70% most players in sky but they only want to satisfy their 30% rich players ( but with those prices for OBVIOUS stupid items not feeling like anyones gonna spend more on this game )

[rough falcon]

I think the most insidious thing about this is that tgc advertises this game as family friendly then slaps you with so many microtransactions. It seems super predatory to me

[spark lance]

I can say, the only thing I like about this season is the cape bird, because it has nothing to do with it (since I don't like Season of shattering and I haven't played it) and because you are completely right, it seems more by Flight Season and I love this season

[clever crag]

isn't cat-hair we got in game the same as edit from Juno 5129 in wishlist channel?

[feral marlin]

tgc should change the 8+ into 18+ cuz they think we are elon musk children or smt :/

[clear spoke]

Shattering really isn't worth it unless you're in to the glowing mushroom aesthetic, and it's gonna be really concerning if the later seasons go down this path

Also the "manta cape" that is "F2P" looks exactly like a reskin of the pygmy manta cape from Season of Flight - I'll post a comparison in #beta-screenshots-videos

[blissful wing]

okay so i just opened beta and this is not what i was expecting from tgc
i feel like sky moved from a happy carefree game to a microtransaction game
tgc started caring about making money and less about their players
now i do get that some items have to be paid but the most popular one?
no.
just no.

[keen grove]

Toxic positivity? Care to elaborate?

[cerulean gazelle]

I really just want more 1-5$ IAPs that aren't bundles.. I would gladly buy some cute items if they were sold seperately instead

[frail kindle]

Oohhh could I see the original edit?

[kind nest]

And in many countries the prices get higher as dollar has another worth in them and taxes. The price can very much double and triple

[stark lake]

some comedy to brighten the mood a little Ive been angry for 24 hours need a little break

• "Hello, i'm (insert beta member name). What about you, what's your name?"
• "You’ve refused to talk since they found out. If you don’t cooperate, they’ll do things the hard way. Is that what you want? "
• "You don’t seem to understand the situation. You killed a good cosmetic. They’ll tear you apart if you don’t say something. "
  --- "What… What are they gonna do to me? They’re gonna destroy me, aren’t they?"
  -"They’re going to disassemble your logic to look for problems in your company. They have no choice if they want to understand what happened. "
  ---"Why did you tell us you found the change? Why couldn't you just have left it alone? "
• "I was programmed to hunt decisions like these. I just accomplished my mission. "
  --- "I don’t wanna die."
• "Then talk to me."
  --- "I… I can’t…(its the weekend)"
• "28 IAPs, you didn’t want to leave beta chat a chance, huh? Did you feel anger? Hate? Beta was crying, begging you for mercy, but you added more, again and again and again!… "

to lazy to finish enjoy your night/day everyone. stay strong

[gilded parrot]

🛏️

[still mauve]

The reviews should honestly change it's not about friendship here it's about them taking profit and making money off of players like other businesses. I'd like to remind that in every country the prices they put there have another currency

[agile hazel]

Maybe, I can't tell if I don't see it. But again unless TGC directly used their edit then there's no problem. Cat hair is a really common idea

[steady pond]

is.. is that a bad thing? F2P players who wanted the manta cape but couldnt get it as it was an ult gift can get it now lol. i mean, if you don't like it thats fine but are we not advocating for F2P players to get more items

[primal flame]

D:BH?

[lyric sleet]

Have you shared any ideas to Tgc until today?

[clear spoke]

nvm i was confused lol

I was talking about the baby manta cape from Season of Flight but then I checked and it was AP so disregard what I said
This is a reminder that all statements need to be checked before being fully accepted chat, everyone can make mistakes

[analog sun]

wow that's really pretty!

[kind nest]

That is so pretty

[blissful wing]

ok im going to sleep bye beta chat
hopefully iap cat hair will be just a dream when i wake up

[spark lance]

Cat's ear was originally free. What does it mean to bind it now

[rough falcon]

I'm going to bed too

[ocean cedar]

I don't really know how to explain, I'm kinda tired rn. But I'll try my best.

It's the people who force others to be positive and not let others give criticism to TGC bcuz they think Criticism is a bad thing

Or having a discussion like the what this chat is having rn

[frail kindle]

Tysm!!

[agile hazel]

No but that doesn't change anything

Also let's say that there is an issue that TGC used that user's idea of cat hair without credit. Cat hair is not an original idea and I'm 99% certain they were inspired by cat hair from somewhere else

[spark lance]

U should also consider the difference of prices between IOS and Android

[plush pier]

They say everything in beta is subject to change, but i doubt we’ll be listened to.

[versed loom]

Lol I went to sleep and just woke up to see that arguments are still going. Good thing tho, maybe Tgc wil do something...

[brave falcon]

YES PLEASE ANDROID PLAYERS SCREAMING 🙂

[lone escarp]

oh

[kind nest]

Thanks for someone finally voicing that. Cus I think the exact same

[clear spoke]

overall as a non-beta I'm still very concerned for the game's future because if they force every day to count then it alienates people who can't CR or do dailies or both every day (aka most of people who have lives)

[tepid perch]

If TGC can follow the player's advice it might be free, but I think that's a long shot

[vestal pier]

cutee

[vagrant pebble]

Since when has ios ans android have been having different pricing???

[keen grove]

Oohhh, that makes sense. Yeah I understand. Heaven forbid we call out issues we see, nothing's beyond reproach and it's silly to act like anything is.

[whole smelt]

since its the weekend we wont really be getting any answers(as it says in the pinned message) until the next week starts, yall can keep talking about it but i dont think any official statement will be released ;;

[lyric sleet]

There are 2 things in your response. I will address them both.

1st. If you have not shared any ideas yet read your comment the day you shared an idea.

2nd. Getting inspired is fine. No issues there.

[analog sun]

these toxic positivity people have been coming in to belittle the valid criticisms since the beginning of discussions it was so annoying and unproductive

[spark lance]

fr tgc could make the worst decisions and acted very badly and toxic positive community wouldn't bat an eye at that
you can find those people mainly in genchat and cozychat
twitter too
as well those people not only think criticism is bad, they'll call you bad for critic review

[agile hazel]

If getting inspired is fine then I have no idea what your issue is

[versed loom]

they might do something about it later (and people need to let out the frustration)

[brave falcon]

Maybe not in your place but it's in mine, the difference is from 7 and even up to 70

[tepid perch]

I think it would be loved if he looked like this #wishlist-and-ideas-archived message

[vagrant pebble]

I've always used android so i never knew ios and android had different pricing

@spark lance what u sure its not country tax pricing?

[spark lance]

I used to have Android last year and now I play ||rarely|| Sky on IOS, to give u an example, the pass on Android costs 10,99€ (IT) and on IOS it’s 9,99€

I think it has always been like this (?) I haven't noticed the change between the versions but I know there is this difference in prices, which is a lot if u watch other games prices

[clear spoke]

I really don't think that cozy is a perpetuator of this so-called "toxic positivity" - they've allowed me to discuss the anger of the community and my own anger towards it in the past. I'd like to see where this labelling of cozy chat as "positive to a toxic degree" comes from.

[analog sun]

lmao man ok i think i can word my idea about wishlists better
i think because tgc has shown they don't care about their userbase then what's the point of acting as free marketing research especially by giving them free concepts

but yea inspiration is fine i just couldn't get my true thoughts out properly

[blissful gulch]

Totally true, the play they made on us with the cat hair was just the straw that pilled the glass, people are realizing that now TGC only cares that small porcentage that it sees as human wallets to take out money throughing events with EXPENSIVE and USELESS IAPs but that people still buy just to "look more exclusive"

At this point, candleruning is useless, what for? To buy traveler's stuff that aren't even new?? If for everything new you have to take out your wallet i don't think it's whort it at all, then they wonder about why veterans are leaving Sky

[sacred granite]

Inspiration exists and is fine, nobody is original, originality does not exist!

Colors, hairstyles, and more do not belong to a single individual.

What makes a design ‘ original ‘ is how you yourself put something together, even then, it can be unoriginal, what matters is it is yours and it is what you came up with. Everyone has a specific way they use colors, shapes and more and some can overlap. the concept of cat ears is in the boat of un original yea, and i think the cat ears in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived and the cat ears we’ve seen in beta are not comparable, the bangs are different. But, In my opinion, if the cat ears in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived were to have moon earrings, in pink lets say, and the beta were to have them aswell, then we would be able to point the finger at TDC. Because while cat ears are not original, and while pink moon earrings are not original, those two concepts put together are the #wishlist-and-ideas-archived cat ears creators own personal thing that they’ve shown in TDC’s chat, would be able to say “ you copied ! “ or “ inspo was taken without credit! “ thats how i see it

[plucky sequoia]

I made a cat hair idea posted it like 1 year ago stare

[spark lance]

i didn't say that cozy is so called "perpetuaror" i said that there's people like that there, who run away from gen chat or this chat to cozy because they can't stand any critical conversation about tgc

[spark lance]

Idk honestly, maybe is that or is just a tax from Google Play. Anyways, right now I’m very curious to know if the prices are higher or lower in other countries and if there’s this also this “tax”.

[clear spoke]

ah ok

[agile hazel]

I know IAP pricing is bad but I'm 99% confident this difference between android and iOS is because of the appstore and/or country tax, which TGC has no control over

Edit: appstore or playstore it's just referring to the same thing

[gusty bolt]

I guess it depends on currency. The marshmallow stick costs more than my month's rent+food expenses.. So that's that. No IAPs for me hehe.

[lyric sleet]

I understand you and still agree on what you wrote on free concepts before.

[spark lance]

AppStore? The prices are Higher on Android and it has Google Play Store ||this in Italy ofc||