📋︱feedback-discussion

[stable cosmos]

Can we submit a feedback to remove the funplus role from people if they have no purpose?

[mighty gorge]

Who exactly do you know, that have asked to see those banners/offers everytime they login?

Its like asking YT to give more paid advertisements

I mean, its the least important thing for me, I was just making humour out of the annoyance of it.

[timid ridge]

Some things are done by default, not because anybody asked for them. But if we don't like them we can ask for a change. Players who spend regularly probably don't mind. Being able to choose seeing those banners or not (in settings, for example) could solve it for f2p or others who just don't want the pop-ups

[mighty gorge]

I spend regularly? I mind, but like I said, not the most important thing to address.

We just can't make assertions that there is evidence people want them, without actual evidence

[timid ridge]

Yes, there's probably other things to improve first which are more important

[polar osprey]

Oh good time to bring up RR times

The eternal and biggest f$+$+#( Devs do

Stupid pick three times has been absolute disaster for those outside Europe and killed off other TMZ more than stupid times for cc etc I think

I logged to complain about it l, was choosing where and saw an opportunity 😋

[mighty gorge]

This has been raised more times than I care to mention. I understand their intention is that they believe compressed times = better matching because there is a higher density of players, but it simply doesn't work. People can't plan, and you end up with imbalanced matches.

But, again. FP don't want to listen because their way, is the only way.

[polar osprey]

Yeah this is what I just wrote in chat after 'matching'

Home

Schooled

Flat

Earther

Devs

Two legions was great idea but the nerfed it with there stupid time matching.... if can't choose times what is the point of 2 legion

[mighty gorge]

I just registered 30 people for RR, its unusual for us to get that many but I wanted to try a different tactic and pushed people into one legion as our turnout hasn't been great, and people are not listening.

Several of those players asked for 12:00 UTC and some for 18:00 UTC because of their time zone. We got 14:00. I already know that we wont field a full team, but we will be matched against a full team on the other side.

[polar osprey]

Make 4 legions better than this random time bs

I also realise if people didn't try to game the matching a better outcome for many would be achievable

Why isn't RR time the number item for direct feedback every single time????? Like I see Duels has been in there for inconvenient times... I guess because of vip player

Is there any attempt to fix the bug they make for RR times????????

I can't even find any acknowledgement of the train wreck that needs to be fixed, is there one?????

[molten comet]

Which is the bug exactly?

[mighty gorge]

I think its being referred to as a bug, however its by design albeit a very poor one

[polar osprey]

CHOO CHOO ChOOsing RR times is the bug

Choo Choo Train wreck it is

[molten comet]

It's not a bug

[polar osprey]

It's a bug

[vale yoke]

Just a search of "RR" in feedback reporting brought up anytime the event has been mentioned, including any reports involving times.

[polar osprey]

It used to work now it doesnt

It's also a big it hasn't been fixed

[mighty gorge]

I think you need to articulate why you believe its a bug, or rather whats buggy about the design as it is now

[polar osprey]

It's also a bug it's not addressed by devs

[molten comet]

You can submit a feedback if you like about that issue which you reffering to

[polar osprey]

It's also a bug when people try to defend it

[molten comet]

Why do you belive it's a bug?

[mighty gorge]

I don't think anyone is defending it to be fair

I hate it as much as the next person

And I would challenge anyone that thinks the design is a good one

[molten comet]

I also do not like the random matchmaking times but we always had that issue. If you like to submit a feedback and i will also upvote it

[stable cosmos]

1400 is almost the only time...

[vale yoke]

I always get either 14 or 22

[stable cosmos]

Register time for RR with no participants. Once a time is committed, reguster members. Then do matching

[polar osprey]

How many times has this happened though?????

[molten comet]

We getting random times not only 14:00 or 22:00

[polar osprey]

Has it actually ever been acknowledged or addressed?

[stable cosmos]

All my alliance seems tk get is 1400 with the very occasional 1200

[torn rain]

Hi. 2 of us ask for 12UTC; 10 of us for 14UTC; 13 of us for 18UTC. We fight at 12UTC 😁

[molten comet]

Which issue?

I still do not understand why it's a bug

[polar osprey]

Lol good question

[molten comet]

We have 2 Legions and between them we have different timezones. For our Asian- EU people and the other legion for US

everytime we get different times for each legion it's not only 14:00 or 22:00

[polar osprey]

That you cannot get the time you want... And that the times you must choose means many people are never going to be able to turn up rendering the whole matching system pretty useless

[cursive vessel]

They do ask you to pick your times, they don't guarantee you get the time you want though, which makes it not a bug. I have noticed we don't get the times we pick either, which makes me wonder why they ask you to pick times in the first place

[mighty gorge]

This is precisely what I mean. The mechanics of the matching and the premise of the design doesn't work. Its not a bug, its just the algorithm they use is terrible, and what they tried to achieve through fixed times hasn't had the expected outcome.

[stable cosmos]

Its more that the time choosing is basically non functional.

[polar osprey]

Hum sounds like a bug 😬

[molten comet]

It's not a bug , it's the algorythm which needs to be fixed

[stable cosmos]

If 15 people pick a time, i don't think there is any reason that time shouldn't be selected

They're happy to mismatch frequently, if the bulk of a legion votes for a time that SHOULD be the time it gets

[molten comet]

It needs to be tested. If 0 people choose alternativve times and that specific time is not selected we can provide enough evidence to highlight it as a poor algorythm

[stable cosmos]

The only reason to put it elsewhere is because the game wants to match you with someone specific

[polar osprey]

I'm happy to not call it a bug ...but only if someone official explains why it's by 'design'

[mighty gorge]

I get the impression that there is some kind of over-ride, which uses the raid score as the default, ignoring the time. So you could have 30 people pick 14:00 UTC, however if there is no close match through the algorithm, but there is an available close matched alliance at 18:00, it will use that

[polar osprey]

Because none of sound mind would design that

[stable cosmos]

Given the mismatches i think they just give benefit to the stronger team

[molten comet]

I understand your frustration about matchmaking but the algorythm chooses one of the three options

[vale yoke]

Thats how I assumed it was "functioning" as well.

[polar osprey]

Does it? No one can prove it

[stable cosmos]

Strong team wants 1400, weak team wants 1209, strong team counts

[molten comet]

Neither do you

[polar osprey]

I mean prove why it's not a bug, because evidence says it's not working

User experience, in the toulet

[molten comet]

By proving that is a bug , that's how it works..

[stable cosmos]

Given people get times they outright don't select,the algorithm isn't one

[molten comet]

[mighty gorge]

Whether its a bug or not, the problem is still the same. The outcome is still the same, and the player requirements to resolve it are still the same.

[polar osprey]

Has RR matching been explained?

[molten comet]

Exactly , i also do not like that i get random time. I want to fix my schedule and enjoy my Sunday but that's the mechanism

[mighty gorge]

I think we are debating it unnecessarily tbh or rather the "bug or not" part.

[polar osprey]

I've always seen that it secret

So unless they show workings..

[molten comet]

Then we can provide well structured feedback about the algorythm

[polar osprey]

And we can adjust just to get the damn time come out

How we prove it bugged?

[stable cosmos]

Matching is awful, they'll never fix it. But it doesn't change that if you have a 1st choice time the game SHOULD give you that, and in no circumstance should it ever give you a time you didn't pick

Id prefer it was time first. Then registration. Then match. At least that way only people that can play sign up

[polar osprey]

Sorry I gotta log out to screenshot my backpack to prove that something went missing or just in case because .... update 🕊️

[molten comet]

Yes i agree that matching is not great and the requests are not 100% everytime but that is the current setup. If we do not provide structured feedback this wont't change

[stable cosmos]

We have. Feedback on matching is worthless.

[polar osprey]

How may times do we have to feedback?

[stable cosmos]

Matching is exactly as it should be. No change in 4 years.

[molten comet]

If we form general feedbacks and not specific the outcome won't change

[polar osprey]

Gives us the algo for action and we will design the feedback to hit the target for action

[molten comet]

I can't provide anything like that since i am just a mod but i would be glad to help you structure a feedback

[polar osprey]

Thanks Tracker for you efforts

[molten comet]

I totally agree with you , matchmaking is bad

[stable cosmos]

Matching has been a problem forever. People have complained forever. At no point has it ever been fixed and it remains as bad as ever.

Matching is carrot and stick. Sometimes you're a carrot, sometimes you're a stick

[molten comet]

In almost every event

[polar osprey]

We are actually disbanding out alliance, a big reason is rr

[molten comet]

That's a shame..

[stable cosmos]

Most people remember being a carrot. Alliances like FBI are always a stick

[mighty gorge]

I've never been the carrot lol

[stable cosmos]

Been both. Carrot is no fun at all. Stick is fun for about 10 minutes.

[vale yoke]

@polar osprey like this?

OBSERVATION
Raid time selection algorithm regularly choosing unselected times, and the pool of time options is too small to encompass an international group of players.

CONSEQUENCE
Players are frustrated when times are assigned that they did not choose which results in less available players for battle.

SOLUTION
Open up more available time slots for Raid, and reconfigure the algorithm to ignore unselected times.

STATE
any/all

[mighty gorge]

joking. I just burn people without prejudice 😂

[molten comet]

I don't think it's time slots the main issue

[stable cosmos]

I wish they'd actually sort it cos an even match is proper enjoyable. And i think most people feel the same

[vale yoke]

Tbh I'm half awake, that's why I'm asking lol

[molten comet]

Xyz alliances / majority prefers x time then matching differently because of Raid power

It's something like that

From what i understand at least

[polar osprey]

Time slots is the issue, you can't even play....I'd prefer unbalanced match to match at 5am

[stable cosmos]

It just needs to honour the times chosen. It mostly seems to put everyone into the same timeslot ignoring the choices

[molten comet]

I do , we have a very big issue in my alliance since we are people from all over the world

[stable cosmos]

Matching will remain garbage but at least the team is online

[molten comet]

We just split US and Asian/EU into 2 Legions

[stable cosmos]

And then it gives your us team 0900

[vale yoke]

I'll go post that for you if it's in line with your concerns, Prometheus, or you can copy/paste/repost. Either or.

[molten comet]

We still do not get our pref times but it was a small win.. not that the algorithm is fixed but solved some issues

Before disban the alliance maybe you could try 1-2 times this tip? Works in my case

[polar osprey]

Yup got UTC 12 time for states and UTC 18 for Asia.... going great

[vale yoke]

Oh dear

[full pivot]

Instead of having to choose 3 times like we do for rr, we now have to choose 4 times on some events. Which is even worse, feedback works

[vale yoke]

Also agreed. I hate KotH for many reasons, and time selection is one of them.

[full pivot]

But hey, at least funplus can now say people get their chosen times....

[polar osprey]

I have explained to some of our newer Euro members the importance of the 14 or so 'dateline' so to speak but they don't care so much, just complain when people don't show... I think everyone just over it so time to move on

Hey I'm in Pacific ahead of Asia it's great 🤣🤣

[full pivot]

Ye. So great, what game should we go to next?

[vale yoke]

Idk I've been on my Xbox a lot more...

[mighty gorge]

I keep meaning to play more PS5, but I get to my evening time and I just zone out watching YT, then remember to login at reset and do my migo

[vale yoke]

I'm terrible because I'm usually playing two games at the same time.

[mighty gorge]

I'm a little worse than that lol. I think I have 5-6 on the go at the moment

[vale yoke]

No, I mean, literally playing them at the same time. One on my Xbox, and then one on my phone with my computer opened for an alt.

[mighty gorge]

Oh, damn lmao.

[polar osprey]

Hi Liannin sorry I'm just so sick of feedback, thanks for you effort. I might try to write one later, because the issue is not being able to choose a time with certainity AND not having more times to choose from.

[vale yoke]

I 100% understand, luv. It's incredibly frustrating to have to continually bring up these issues when many of them seem like they're obvious (and being willfully ignored). Whatever you choose, it will be the right choice for you and I'll support you. If you end up doing a post yourself, you can count on my vote.

[slim walrus]

Hello,
i know that we have a feedback about the times choosen and the times that are offered. PLease give me a moment, to search it for you.

[vale yoke]

Thanks Oasis. Even if it's an older feedback, it might be something which can be updated or brought back up for attention. Maybe we could get it pushed harder with fresh eyes.

[slim walrus]

#📋︱feedback-reporting message
#📋︱feedback-reporting message
Ok, there are those two feedbacks yet.
Shall i reword it or combine it?

[marble grove]

New slogan? OPTIMIZE SALES?

[woven spire]

We will release few features in between

Spend more to win

DD is good besides they change rules random in tournament and release on purpose overpowered stuff

[marble grove]

You aren't allowed to win unless you spend £20k on a new item during DD

[woven spire]

Its basically dd

[tidal apex]

Any guess what will be coming now? P15 midway doomsday?

[woven spire]

Look the dino released in finals

Huge impact

[woven spire]

My guess qualifications something and finals special hero and that ye

Its just not a competitive tournament that way. Just a marketing in the hope people have low iq

[marble grove]

So anyone still playing after 3+ years

[tidal apex]

Well it works here, people willing to spend enourmous amounts just to win tournaments :p

[loud condor]

I'm just waiting for the game to die

[tidal apex]

Any normal game out there would not release new features during big tournaments/league but before they start or after they are finished. It is only here that they love adding ton of new stuff midway

[loud condor]

The problem is those who are willing to pay big money to win failed to see how bad it is in the long run.

[tidal apex]

SoS is trying really hard to portrait PoW and RR tourney as some sort of esport but it is 95% about who spent more

[loud condor]

Esport is all about equality. Everyone has the same stuff and no one has even a teeny tiny minor advantage against other except their own skill/brain

[woven spire]

Ye but this is esport for rich people

They do not have the skill

Like they say

You can buy all in life

Also being good in games

[loud condor]

It's an e pen for this game

Even a 3 year old can be ranked 1 given unlimited funds in this game.

[woven spire]

Exactly

But some people spending think they really good at it

In fact its the funds

I am not against spending or so. Its totally fine. Just sont overspend and have fun

[distant gull]

Same I prayed for it

[woven spire]

Dont think it takes look the path they took

Every day p2p event. Every 2 1 week big event

[loud condor]

I hope those whales at least donate half of what they spend on this game. To charity.

[distant gull]

Whales and Krakens need at least donate to charity than Using money to pay to play events thats ridiculous

[full pivot]

Funplus are a joke, state of survival is a joke, trying to make it an esports is a joke. They will be laughed out of the scene

They had an interview with the winning team in pow recently didn't they?

What do you even ask them? So how did you find your tactic of spending more compared to your rivals?

[distant gull]

I know POW Summit is 100% jokes, no F2P friendly at all

[full pivot]

Well, we have sheikh clean oil over there, who fleeced his land for his own gain.

Then we have nepo baby, who has rich parents. He spends his days trying to make them poor again.

Mr oligarch dude, who just so happened to be well connected when capitalism hit the old ussr

Oh must not forget miss chaebol. She enjoyed better codes for the first 3 years of the game too. Purely based on where she lived

[distant gull]

If POW summit isnt a joke tournament for P2W, make it equal every stats

Like example if my state is Gen 9

Set like this
Team 1 Limitless Arthur/Essie/Derek
Team 2 Limitless Hank/Tina/Courtney

No Behemoths and No Planes
Thats 100% balance and POW Winner is 100% professional player F2P or either spenders

But if POW Summit S2 is joke again players will quit

[full pivot]

Their model doesn't allow for it. They have to give spenders an advantage. Which throws any attempt at esports out of the window. Still, there should be some form of tactics involved that gives players a chance against whales

And pow summit 2 will be more of the same.

[sleek moth]

Cancel State mergers. Instead open up the pathways to state migration everyday. Allow players to go wherever they want to go.

If states wants to keep people, then at state level, people have to persuade them to stay. Do not control people to stay.

[dense lance]

So when all the powerful players in 5 states join a 6th state, then that 6th state fights a 7th state, how is it state 7's fault?

[cloud venture]

haven't heard back from PTR application.. do i need to do more and something else to access PTR?

[dense lance]

If you're accepted you get an in game mail with the download link, a discord invite, and a personal code

[tardy night]

Just download the app by asking its name.

New ptr you can go in that way since others play on it who aren't in main game

[humble spear]

Yes but in this case he will be not able to clone his live game ACC and it is not working with iOS

[rocky rose]

Not completely true, most players here only threaten to quit but never do. So Dev won’t take threat seriously anymore. You have threatened to quit many times yourself but you are still playing so why would Dev take empty threats seriously? Unless people here actually quit, they won’t take any complains seriously.

[unreal lichen]

I mean plenty have quit silly, revenue was half of what it used to be

[cloud ridge]

Modsss

Could you raise feedback please on march times being displayed wrong, its doing my head in amongst other things in this game

Thank you 😘

[full pivot]

Ptr doesn't exist for sos. And even if it does nothing ever gets tested on it, at least according to the problems and bugs we get on live

[full pivot]

Half of that is true. The devs don't care, because they're actually stupid and seem to not care about losing players. The other half, well bahahahah. Tell that to the accountant at funplus who has half the money to count

[untold stag]

People may not be quitting in terms of not logging into the game at all. However, they are "quitting" by reducing or eliminating their spending.

[cloud venture]

yeah, i still would like to access it 😄

[untold stag]

The problem seems to be that the drop isn't enough yet for F+ to change their tactics, or, they think that the solution is to push even more spending.

[fleet idol]

Anyone else wish they would take away the ability to solo bunkers? to me I think its ridiculous. We just lost 3 bunkers today because a farm alliance decided to solo them.

[sleek moth]

It's not 7's fault, maybe they can try to pull top people from 8 to 12 as well?

[sleek moth]

Definetly will. The revenue you see is during COVID, now COVID crisis is almost over people all returned to their busy lives

[tardy night]

Overload scams

[full pivot]

Yes, whenever I need more players for the state I pull out a couple of whales from my plump bottom

[sleek moth]

Yea that can work

[full pivot]

It can? I smell a business opportunity

[sleek moth]

Yea if they stop doing the state mergers which is dumb. Just open up state relocations for people to move anytime

State merges means you force people to move to the state they dont want or just sleep 61 days to get out.

[full pivot]

Would these relocations be free and unlimited?

[sleek moth]

Dude of course not

[full pivot]

Just clarifying, you did say any time

[sleek moth]

Yes anytime they have the tickets they can move. Dont have to wait for the event

[woven spire]

Shouldnt be free but there should be alliance relocate aswell

[sleek moth]

Yea but it will be much more complicated. Allowing people to move anytime individually can also be done so everyone can move together

[woven spire]

True but the thing is with alliance

Spenders can put some more money in

F2p will take forever

[sleek moth]

Well all the alliance mates move, but not the alliance though

Wouldn't be fair because it will be too huge an impact

[woven spire]

Depends what the price is

And how it would work

Some games have it

If i make 7 figures a year. I wouldnt mind paying for people i like to go with me

Since iknow they make maybe 5

[full pivot]

So in the middle of svs, or even when you see your opponent is strong before prep starts, you can move to the opposing state?

Oh crap, we're losing. Let's transfer

[sleek moth]

of course that can work too

[sleek moth]

Maybe set a cool down before someone can move again?

[full pivot]

Like how long to prevent moving to the opposing state during svs prep?

[woven spire]

Haha imagine

[full pivot]

I'm curious, because I'm sure funplus have thought about it. It's a money generator, selling tickets for state transfers. There are way too many things that can be abused with limitless state transfers

[woven spire]

I am dead

[sleek moth]

I dont get your point here

[woven spire]

Just cooldown set

Believe rok has that

[sleek moth]

Set a cool down and they cant keep moving as they please

Maybe a 21 days cool down is nice

[woven spire]

To short

[sleek moth]

Then how long? 30?

[woven spire]

90

Like now

But can do whenever

[sleek moth]

too long people might as well just sleep for 61 days

[woven spire]

Outside during events

Ye but sleep your account is dead and no choice

Like now it also takes 90+ days

[sleek moth]

Since when is there a 90 days cool down for moving states now?

[woven spire]

The event is every 90 days

• 1 week prepare

[sleek moth]

Oh really? I didnt realize it

[woven spire]

Yes

[sleek moth]

I thought it comes random

[woven spire]

Nooe everytime 1 week after.migo

[sleek moth]

Yea then thats okay

90 days cool down

[full pivot]

We just went in one big giant circle back to how it is now

I'm getting off discord for the day

[sleek moth]

Why is there going back?

Opening up relocation all the time but have a cool down of 90 days seems good.

[thorny plume]

Tiny question about battle reports, where on new battle reports can you see Tempest gear skills? Or more then one behemoth? Or who doesnt have proper Tempest gear? Or even most important... The hero skills breakdown ?

This new one is so terrible, its dumbed down and broken. It seems like it was simplified so much it probably suits the people in the movie idiocrazy

But hey has some fancy graphics..

[dense lance]

right under the pie chart, hit the 🔎

[thorny plume]

Why arent people raging over this ? Have others found what I cant find? Because now essensielt information is missing or it can be that im blind and cant find it, not excluding that

[dense lance]

bottom tab

[thorny plume]

Ill try

Nope

All I had there was

Stuff like that

Wheres the hero skill damage and heal shown, now i cant find

Stuff like this would be nice to find, stuff we actually need

[unreal lichen]

Dumbest thing anyone had ever said

[thorny plume]

I dont know about anyone else, but I use that to determine how to upgrade heroes. Removing information like this seems deliberate as people will upgrade their heroes wrongly and unnecessarly expensive

[still tapir]

I think this is one of the things MKR and cat are pushing for. The battle report that is

I could swear I upvoted it yesterday 😅

[topaz mountain]

Others feel the same and there has been feedback posted about this. Please vote for the top 10 one here, this is how they get pushed through. #1193638064388571187 message

[thorny plume]

Its insane they remove information that vital

Upvoted it, but its like they removed that on purpose. Want players to fumble in the dark.

It earns them more money

Thing is we cant trust their skill description as its so often wrong, can only trust the result and now they even removed that. Dont they want players beeing informed or naking decisions around development of their account based on actual information

I remember someone once said MoRE TaCTiCs, where is that person now because they surely arent doing things in a manner where it requires players to use a brain rather then a visa card

[sleek moth]

That is not dumb, that is for the better dude. You need to think your options better, dumb

[thorny plume]

Actually it is dumb

[sleek moth]

It's not.

[thorny plume]

If anything they need to restrict so players cant join during SVs etc

[sleek moth]

Allowing the state relocation to be opened all the time is not wrong and a valid opinion. I hope they just implement and override you guys who thinks otherwise.

[thorny plume]

Try big picture and see, want some rich aluminium mogul porting from state to state burning anything and everything because thats how you get that

[sleek moth]

You obviously didnt see what we discussed above. I said have a cool down after moving

[thorny plume]

It takes a while to kill everything so a cooldown is needed 🙂

If I was rich rich, thats what I would do

So im guessing others are atleast equally douche

[sleek moth]

And a cool down doesnt make it dumb now

[mighty gorge]

Even with a cooldown, it can still be abused. There is nothing to prevent mass/arranged movement to one state, then people move back.

[sleek moth]

Just open it, so anyone can move if they are ready and not under any cool down

[sleek moth]

Well that is what some people are asking for, alliance move together

[thorny plume]

Yea, no that opinion is rejected. Think what you want but that isnt a smart thing 👌

[sleek moth]

And I agree. Because if I am very good with my alliance but just hate the state, we would wanna all move together

[mighty gorge]

Not the context I mean.

I was referring to the movement of several people from different states for one purpose and them move back to their old state

[topaz mountain]

I’d like to think they’re trying to make it easier visually for people like me who can spend some time looking at a report and still need help interpreting it. I admit I’m not great at figuring this stuff out like some here are. I agree it still needs that vital information so people can still explain it to people like me. Hopefully it will be improved. 🤞

[mighty gorge]

the CD is still in play, but the goal they had is still attained e.g. for SvS

[sleek moth]

Yes, but if they have a 90 days cool down as we discussed above, then they can't move at whim

3 months is 3 SVS

and probably make it more expensive for whales?

[mighty gorge]

fair enough 90d, but isn't than then not 'free movement' ?

so its kind of against what you're advocating ?

[sleek moth]

Better than waiting only for the event to pop up before you can move.

At least it's a step closer to "free movement".

[thorny plume]

Hope they fix it, Id guess its a important tool for content creators. Im also gonna have to halt upgrading my heroes till I know. Shooting in the dark isnt particularly good if your somehow forced to stay "ontop" (actually far from top), but say stay valuable for as little money as possible by making informed decisions

[distant gull]

3000% off thats around $3000 if not 3000% off

And each fragments is $150 💀

[distant gull]

Indeed not a competitive one 😔

[sleek moth]

Yup, they just give you a deep discount and claim it's 3000% value. But actually they are just worth the 100%. Cheating if you ask me

[velvet storm]

Hi there, i see a player did answer your question right away. Yes you will receive a message with a link when you are approved to join the PTR server. Fingers crossed you get it 🌸

[distant gull]

Is it possible to make 2 PTR accounts but same character?

[velvet storm]

Hi let me check the specifics for you

[velvet storm]

No unfortunately this is not possible

[humble spear]

<@&628563208164081690> let me know what was wrong with my report!

[vale yoke]

I get messages from mods about stuff like that too. I think he needs your ticket number

[humble spear]

Do not bother me with template msgs

I don’t care

[steel musk]

his name is evil what expect from him lol

[humble spear]

There is a lot of reports w/o tickets

This one is ok?

[silk heath]

They will have been contacted by a mod.

[peak apex]

Sup rewen

[vale yoke]

You're 178?! How did I not know this?!

Ugh we were neighbors for sooooo long...

[steel musk]

your fault because reported bug

[humble spear]

Hi Jemma, wanted to report that svs has been removed from calendar and events board. Looking for reason, it is bug or sos forgot to inform us abt that

[steel musk]

I think they send to everyone

[humble spear]

But mine got removed

[peak apex]

Are you in a state due to be merged?

[humble spear]

Nope

Only transfer will be there

[mighty gorge]

I'm not either, same for me, but I also had the state transfer banner and now thats gone too. Not that I care, I'm just telling you to make your life more complete, and annoy you

[peak apex]

All those with a envelope reaction means a mod has Dm just like you received, unfortunately ticket numbers are a requirement - we can report issues that are facing many (I haven’t checked that channel yet just finished work) but devs need at least a ticket number to look into it, hopefully someone else has made a report and you can just upvote to let us know you affected too

[humble spear]

Once again. This report is there from the morning. It is ok?

[peak apex]

Ok, lemme check see if I can find a report with a ticket number and make sure it’s been raised, I do understand it can be frustrating when mods dm but we dm cause we need that info to help push for yall

[humble spear]

So I wrote there few numbers my report will be ok or what? What CS do with reports? TBH nothing

[peak apex]

All envelopes mean a mod has Dm, once one mod has it other mods won’t touch so yall don’t get a bajillion dms to yell at us for

[humble spear]

Was not help from him

[steel musk]

I have too many dms about tos rules

[vale yoke]

Shrimp, regarding SvS, our events still show that Capital Clash will occur, but yes, State Warfare (beta) has been removed. The store is still there with the active refresh timer, and the event still shows in MIGO 🤣 can't use any token for it though, so I hope it's just a visual thing and they haven't cancelled svs

[peak apex]

I had a Quick Look (apologies I’m not feeling too well, dizzy spell) and can’t see a report - I do need a ticket number to be able to forward for yall

[steel musk]

It happened before.. then they bring event page back

[peak apex]

I’ll send it forward for sure but 99% of the time if they aren’t aware or can’t locate the issue they need a ticket number to check

[peak apex]

[mighty gorge]

any excuse!

[steel musk]

or it's because my state they finally decided to try super alliance so devs removed svs

[vale yoke]

I know. Four years of visual bugs where this or similar happens. But sometimes they have pulled events without warning, or there's been issues where they don't start on time

[peak apex]

I would say vertigo but I’m not sure that works on short people

[humble spear]

There is a ticket🤷🏻‍♂️

[vale yoke]

Have you eaten today?

[peak apex]

Superstar, can you dm me ticket number I’ll fire it off then

[mighty gorge]

reaching for the tea bags from the top shelf can do that too 😂

[vale yoke]

On that note, I'm off lunch so back to work. Have fun yall

[mighty gorge]

wait...no, the vinegar!

[peak apex]

Yea, I have blood sugar issues, it’s just a wild day

[peak apex]

Leave the vinegar outta this

[steel musk]

I think they will fix it tomorrow.. they won't remove it for transfer event..
last transfer we had svs also

[distant gull]

😦 I love that Ryo cosplay half sized avatar, If my PTR synced again

[steel musk]

It's p2p also.. they need some time to give half states bad matchmaking and auto lose

just to try make weak states spend on prep the only way for them to win in somthing

before getting kicked on saturday

they removed MM for this reason.. not because lag only.. Koth is worse than MM when it's about lag.. many alliances didn't like MM because bad matchmaking..

bad matchmaking just make players quit..

not as devs think. so they started try fix it but looks they can't with all futures they already added

i doubt if skip hero gens to gen 16 will fix anything

actully devs don't listen.. when players asked about improve rewards, devs reduction rewards and made it less..
when players asked about make state group on events have less states.. they did that but they set limit on points if didn't reach 5k points you won't get angelica frags, for example

I am surprised how some still write feedback even when devs don't care. 🤔🤦‍♂️

they like waste time lol

[full pivot]

They've done exactly the opposite of what we wanted. Slow down hah, have a monthly big spending event

[steel musk]

they always doing opposite of what we want

[full pivot]

Looking forward to the post post post Chinese new year event in March some time, in between the post post valentines event and the Pre Easter event

And Christmas post x 10 event in July

[candid crag]

State merge and State transfer will kill this game slowly.. this game will going downsizing every year..
this two option is not a solution.

Dev should fix the game rule & rewards to gain more active players.

[steel musk]

game already dead.. doesn't matter

[full pivot]

Actually agree with this. That's the solution, but it's funplus. At this point I think they're actually just really really stupid because their decisions hurt the players and their revenue. Or they don't care

[steel musk]

state transfer it's way to make whales move and make big alliance...
they move to be joiners

whale but joiner

because game now need joiners maxed everything... Behemoth / formation system / aircraft / helicopter / tanks...

P13

tempest arms

[candid crag]

Dev create event rule that Since from the beginning will make any players quit. for example : RR rule only 30 players per legion. Its mean only 60 players from 100 players can register.. the others 40 players dont have a chance to play RR Event.
Technically This event game rule already already kill 40% members in every alliance. 40% from every alliance in every state.

[steel musk]

their target not gain more active players.. it's about how make everyone spend And make who spend, spend more

as you see there many p2p events this month... without free attemps..
and reduction rewards

to try make more players spend

and they updated morale to 700.. to make who maxed it, spend more on morale

[steel musk]

which alliance have 100 players doing RR?
barely could fill 2 legion

most them don't doing events and just doing dailys and chat

[candid crag]

Dev create migo task for RR and KOTH but only 60 players per alliance can register for it. The others 40 players from 100 members in every alliance will plan to quit this game sooner or later.

[steel musk]

i don't think those 40 care about Migo

when you do svs or cc you get all them ?

i bet barely could see 50 around

[steel musk]

this

no one of them care about events..

and barely log in

maybe for 30 min or 1 hour as max

[winter canyon]

That's about how much I play

Much less than the time I used to spend on this game

[full pivot]

I spend more time here moaning about how crap the game is than playing the crap game

[steel musk]

me too

[winter canyon]

Right after the gen skip, they are planning to release gen 17

Just great...

[candid crag]

If people dont care about event and doing task in this game its not his fault.. its dev fault since the beginning create event game rule that make people can’t participate for it.

[winter canyon]

They really won't give players more than 2-3 months to develop 12 HEROES🤦🏼‍♀️

[unreal lichen]

So seems like people might appreciate more time between hero generation releases?

[winter canyon]

Absolutely

In 2-3 months, I got 3 limitless heroes to blue brain😅

The 9 others aren't even upgraded at all

[steel musk]

their fault give alliances bad matchmaking...on RR / svs /etc etc
make big gap btw f2p and whales

changed game and made it depends on joiners also when rally.. so you need maxed joiners ( whales)

too many dumb futures we got which made people quit

and there more to count

[unreal lichen]

Looks like there's feedback on the moral cap raise. #📋︱feedback-reporting message

[patent olive]

For abbreviation of MM worse, devs added Mystery Mania 💀

Looks like F2P no chance to survive single attack in future, that would be risk in future SvS too

[steel musk]

I don't care about morale...
because it's up to spenders

It's dumb spend on somthing when it's won't work if your enemy have more than you.. so just skip it.. they dumb so it's players fault.. not devs

[winter canyon]

One of the worst features ever

[unreal lichen]

Wrote a little feedback about that. #📋︱feedback-reporting message

[steel musk]

like 699 morale vs 700 morale..
700 only will have morale buff.. who has 699 will get nothing

[unreal lichen]

Yeah it's a really odd mechanic.

Mechanism?

Thing.

Not a fan myself.

[winter canyon]

The 699 will crush anyone under 200 tho

[unreal lichen]

Wouldn't they crush anyone 698 and lower too?

[steel musk]

could reduction it by tempest arms so it will be useless

and it's cheaper

[steel musk]

yes but who have above 600 tho 😅

[unreal lichen]

Blue whales.

[steel musk]

also morale don't help much as players think

[candid crag]

RR matchmaking is from raid point . from total all members who register for it. Smart Players can manage /manipulate the Raid point in every RR legion to match it with weaker opponents. For example they make a balance raid point in legion 1 and legion 2.

[steel musk]

how many players from your alliance doing svs / cc on saturday

[unreal lichen]

One has to stack the other stats like damage from morale right?

[candid crag]

All 100 active players

[steel musk]

i think it was 15%

[winter canyon]

The new battle report completely messed up the stats

[steel musk]

hope they make RR 3 legion instead 2 only then

[unreal lichen]

Matchmaking remains an enigma wrapped in a mystery with some pepper spray. Here's some recent feedback with an idea to improve it:

#📋︱feedback-reporting message

[winter canyon]

Behemoth damage and behemoth damage reduction are two different stats... they put that together lol

[steel musk]

but i saw some lost even when they have better morale..

so it doesn't help much.. better skip it
All you need is joiners have maxed Behemoth then no one could beat you

and good stats

[unreal lichen]

Seems like it's a bonus stat for those with nothing else to really improve on

Suboptimal for most.

[steel musk]

yes it's for them

[unreal lichen]

Most of the feedback so far on the new reports hasn't been as pointed as to mention that specifically. Perhaps you could suggest it over in #📋︱feedback-reporting?

[unreal lichen]

If you build it they might spend

mysterious voice

[steel musk]

Dior have better morale but lost MM final

even for maxed players.. morale is useless when joiners weaker than enemy joiners

[steel musk]

I guess his morale was above 400

could find it on YouTube

so if they made morale 1k or 2k.. it won't matter

it's like spend on nothing and endless

[full pivot]

Feedback works?

[steel musk]

i said before they will keep add sets at collection skin.. before they improve morale to 700

2023

and at this channel

[full pivot]

Ye, it's very predictable. If there is a fork in the road funplus always chooses the one marked greedy, incompetent route

Vip 13 soon too. Some people have been getting mails about it

[steel musk]

they won't because some will get vip 13 free

[full pivot]

And knowing funplus you won't be able to use the tokens you have in your bag, no no no. It will be a new currency to milk the players some more

[steel musk]

some already have enough points to get vip 13 lol

[full pivot]

Nostalgic moments. Remember in the good old days when people used this channel for feedback because they naively thought funplus would listen

[steel musk]

they doing opposite what we want.. so we can try ask add more p2p events lol

[unreal lichen]

That's a "be careful what you wish for" situation if I've ever seen one

[full pivot]

I already have. There's no place for proper feedback now, they never listen. Just troll the f out of them

You can submit all the feedback you want for the inconsequential little things. The underlying problem is funplus and their greed, incompetency and stupidity

We could try submitting feedback to change those things.

Oi funplus stop being so greedy, incompetent and stupid. Regards, the players

[unreal lichen]

Thanks for being mod job security

😊

For anyone new to the channel though feedback is taken seriously by our team and is a way to submit your ideas. We actively encourage and support everyone in doing so!

[full pivot]

Oh about new players. The new states die quicker than a mayfly, and they only live for 24 hours

[steel musk]

I know you mods do.. but problem is devs.. they don't listen

[full pivot]

Let me rephrase that for you:

For anyone new to the channel though feedback is taken seriously by our team and is a way to submit your ideas. We actively encourage and support everyone in doing so!

Unfortunately funplus are greedy, incompetent and stupid and whilst we as a mod team may take your feedback seriously, funplus don't

You're typing... Please don't lie, please don't lie, please don't lie

[unreal lichen]

Never really asked a dev how they feel about it

[steel musk]

Your name summarizes everything.. Devs broke the game

[unreal lichen]

🤷🏼‍♂️

[full pivot]

Or I'll lose my crap again

[unreal lichen]

Just here to do my part. Can't speak on behalf of anyone else

[full pivot]

Metaphorically you're only the messengers, the mail people. You don't need to speak on behalf of the devs because we as players have brains and can see what is happening

They are utterly useless and greedy

But thank you for delivering our mail to people who don't give a crap

[unreal lichen]

At least we're not told to return to sender!

[full pivot]

It's better if you did. At least it's more honest, instead of throwing it in the trash. Feedback is junkmail to the devs

[unreal lichen]

I'd be curious to see the community reaction if we had a dev response to a popular feedback as to why they thought it was trash.

I'd probably ask for the day off to be honest

[full pivot]

Hello, camp cafe and the invites. How long has it been since they promised a question and answer session? A year? And it's still not happened. They don't care

[steel musk]

I do that but without asking...
I break tos rules so i get timed out 24 hours..

[full pivot]

If we do get one it will be a bunch of paid shills who stream on the funplus channel.

[unreal lichen]

Predates me for sure.

[steel musk]

day off from complaint lol

[unreal lichen]

Can't endorse that but hey you do you

[worldly sable]

I deleted tempest and my score went up

tf

[winter canyon]

Make new ones and put them back on

[worldly sable]

It might be like that gem bug where it just keeps adding more and more score

because the devs are stupid

[fiery basin]

Did it still happen after you restarted the game?

[worldly sable]

yes

I definitely didn't improve anything at all after recycling, so it makes no sense why my score went up lol

[fiery basin]

That is strange. So you also did not upgrade any other feature? In this case it sounds like a bug

[worldly sable]

Can't say I'm shocked, but yeah lol

[digital glacier]

Duel bets are Wednesday
Duel is Thursday
RR / KOH finalization ends 23:59:59 Thursday

.....
If you're kicked from an alliance on Thursday, that is registered for duel fights.
You can't rejoin an alliance until 0:00:00 UTC Friday
You don't get to play RR / KOH
You also lose alliance ranked Dino rewards.

Players should be locked in until 0utc.

Week 10 of the world event, players should be allowed to quit the alliance, but not allowed to be kicked out of the alliance.

(I always thought this was going to be an issue)
My 700m bp alt got kicked from the alliance because my alt outranked their 320m bp alt in duel. They wanted their alt to get the better rewards, so what do they do. They kicked my alt that plays and does more in 1 week then their alt does in a month.

The greed off some people.
What they don't realize is, my main can burn both of them. And I will be doing just that.

I understand why there is a cooldown for joining different alliances, but, you should be able to rejoin the same alliance.
This not being allowed is just dumb.

But then again. That's sos motto.
Can't do it if it makes sense

[winter canyon]

I thought you said you burned 1 hit with 10 million troops?🤔

And now you're suddenly strong enough to burn others

[digital glacier]

Being attacked by super strong players, vs, burning an average player, are 2 very very very different things here 🤣

Not all r4s/5s are whales ya know 🤣

[ember mantle]

I can try to write this up as feedback if you like?

Okay I wrote it up if you would like to check it that would be awesome and thank you for sharing your thoughts and ideas!

[sleek moth]

There is a big dilemma in your newest feedback

[fiery basin]

I would suggest opening a ticket for this matter so the bug can reach CS 🤗 Feel free to also share the bug report here if you want to #🐞︱bug-reporting , if you need help let me know

[ember mantle]

Let's assume I didnt understand something and let it get checked first please

[sleek moth]

Alliances** should not be allowed to kick players** in week 10, and no cool down should apply when returning to the same alliance you left or were kicked from.

If alliance cannot kick players, why should cooldown apply to those being kicked?

[ember mantle]

thats where the word or comes in, ideally the alliances wouldnt be able to kick but or in this case or if they can then no cool down should apply to them

[sleek moth]

But you cannot kick players, how would that even apply in the first place?

Sorry the wordings is not clear

[ember mantle]

In the scenario given the player was kicked to keep his settlement from getting better rewards, so if he could return and get them versus just being out of rewards would be better

[sleek moth]

Seems you don't understand still

You just suggested Alliance cannot kick players, then you said in the scenario player was kicked?

Maybe make it clearer and split it into 2 different pointers for the suggestions rather than lumping it together.

[ember mantle]

You can make more than 1 suggestion as an alternative

However I changed it

[sleek moth]

If developers are not already reading much feedbacks, putting in a lousy feedback isnt gonna help

Sorry I still dont understand. Maybe I am missing something

Alliances should not be allowed to kick players in week 10, and no cool down should apply when returning to the same alliance.

Then how would the implementing this make a difference?

[ember mantle]

Vinn, you do understand I am writing up someone elses feedback right?

[sleek moth]

Yes, but I am trying to help because doesn't make a lot of sense.

If you can't kick a player, why would a player even need return to an alliance?

[ember mantle]

#📋︱feedback-discussion message

[sleek moth]

Sorry but I think your wordings is different from what he said

He said an alliance should not be able to kick a player, but a player can on his own accord leave the alliance during the event.

He said "Week 10 of the world event, players should be allowed to quit the alliance, but not allowed to be kicked out of the alliance."

[ember mantle]

Thats in there

[sleek moth]

Sorry your suggested solution is:

Alliances should not be allowed to kick players in week 10, and no cool down should apply when returning to the same alliance".

How is that the same?

Your sentence seems to suggest that if a player has been kicked, there shouldn't be any cooldown when returning to it.

[ember mantle]

Vinn coming to you in dm

[sleek moth]

Hey, can I clarify if you mean:

1. No kicking of members during the event
2. If members leave on their own accord, there is a cool down to join back.

[steel musk]

Devs don't listen to feedback so what's matter

[digital glacier]

Sorry I had trap

[velvet storm]

Trap is at least still great

[stable cosmos]

They even changed it to update the rewards successfully a while back

Although I'm sure most leads have maxed out that research it was still a good change

[winter canyon]

Many players aren't maxed though

[vale yoke]

Wait.

Am I tripping?

[digital glacier]

No

[vale yoke]

Mufasa, you had a whole thing typed here right?

[digital glacier]

Yes.

Please hold. 🤣

[vale yoke]

Okay, phew!

Holding

[ember mantle]

I freaked out a little myself was about to copy paste it and woosh gone

[vale yoke]

I was like, "oh not again! Who put party favors in my Body Armor?!"

[sleek moth]

How about cancel Alliance Duel instead?

[vale yoke]

Now I'm waiting because mufasa made several good points.

[sleek moth]

it's a lousy event, not even thought out by dev at all

[mighty gorge]

👋

[thorn axle]

Alliance duels makes me a great farmer

[vale yoke]

E-I-E-I-O?

[winter canyon]

Alliance duel is awesome

[thorn axle]

🤣🤣

[winter canyon]

Free rss and no one loses troops

[olive sluice]

we should call mufasa by the chosen server name: "sos screwing players since 2019". I think it's worth writing so many letters. 😄

[ember mantle]

I managed to do ad this week, I have come to the conclussion my whole entire alliance must do it wrong though

[thorn axle]

Speaking of duels I helped about 8/9 people get their 3 mil badge yesterday

[vale yoke]

But I am le tired

[ember mantle]

Could do SSPS

[olive sluice]

Duel is nice when you are one of the strongest players in your alliance.
It doesn't matter how strong you are compared to whales, just how strong to your teammates, because that decides your matched opponents.

[fossil lark]

Allianz Duell is not that bad. It could perhaps do with a few improvements here and there. Like the towers forests, for example. Nothing against 2-3 rows of towers, but some alliances are just crazy. It's a miracle that a rally makes it to the finish within an hour. But in principle I like Alliance Duel

[digital glacier]

If. 1. AAA is registered for duel. And 2. It is Thursday the day of duel.

A.
If i leave on my own free will.
I have to wait until 0 utc to rejoin ANY alliance. This needs to be changed.

• I understand why there is a cooldown. It's too prevent players (especially whales) , from alliance hoping to help other alliances win duel.
  It should be like throwdown in the sense of:
  Thursday 0 utc, you are in AAA. if you join a different alliance, you will be unable to participate in the duel. (this will allow the player to join BBB to register for RR, but not play duel in BBB)

B.
Honestly, you should not be allowed to be kicked on the day of duel. Because it interferes with so much. The player who does the kicking, tends to react before thinking. The kicked player loses Annihilation awaits alliance rewards and if they have not attacked it, the lose up to 5 rallies, damage bonuses, and lots of points. They also lose RR/KOH registration (which is vital for world event) and they also are placed on a 48 hour rejoining the alliance cooldown for trap.

• players should not be allowed to be kicked. Simple.
  C.
  The final week of the world event (currently 10, but could change in the future) , kicking players should not be allowed at any given point. The player can leave on their own free will if they wish, but they should not able to be kicked.

• Players should know, with all the discussion of duel, etc etc. Come week 2 of duel they should realize..... Duel is only 1 hour.
  You only lose rss if it's +/-3hq levels.
  You can SHIELD or random port also helps, or sit in duel safe zone 🤣. Not hard.
  Also... Its only rss......
  Its not that special 🤣

[ember mantle]

Copy and pasting to feedback

[digital glacier]

No cooldown, but throwdown style participation.
No kicking the day of duel.
No kicking last week of migo.

Plenty of reasons why for the changes to be made. And the current issues worth their current design of the event.

When the entire alliance got the same rewards, people wouldn't kick people to get better rewards, because there weren't any.
They may have kicked alts or very weak players for better players and their friends. But from within the alliance itself, rank 11 wouldn't kick rank 10 because rank 10 gets something rank 11 don't.

But now, that's the case. And I see it being a game wide issue. Ranks 6 vs 5.
Rank 11 vs 10
Rank 21 vs 20
Rank 51 vs 50...

It's my alt. That's cool, it's my alt and not my main, but still, my alt lose pic frame too.
Heck. 1 merit point in an alliance by itself in a rank 200 alliance gets a dang picture frame 🤣
My alt don't even get that now 😑

[ember mantle]

Excellent points, I wasnt aware that the top 5 in alliance merits got special rewards until today, I have been missing ad because I dont really care for it and the times it is played in. Should have paid better attention

[digital glacier]

Good thing your not.
MOD.The Elegantly Observant
🤣

You would fail that name

[digital glacier]

@vale yoke

[vale yoke]

Reading it now, luv

[mighty gorge]

You know, I thought I was bad for writing war and peace, but you write war, peace, math, logic algorithms, and scientific hypothesis.

[digital glacier]

Duel is the one event where f2p can test their strength on other f2p settlements 😋 without worrying about losing troops.
..... Unless you fight your own state and you send marches out, and they arrive after duel ends 🙈
Which also, that's an issue. And that's why

• DUEL NEEDS TO BE IN A MAP LIKE AN MM / HEIST MAP OR SOMETHING.

[mighty gorge]

My brain can't take that this late lol

[digital glacier]

😋

My words may not be politically correct. Or polite. But that's not my specialty. 🤣

[ember mantle]

I submitted both things to feedback, you guys go vote

[digital glacier]

Just making sure you seen and didn't miss, in case you left or something. Life happens ya know.

[ember mantle]

I will submit this as well.

[vale yoke]

I got home from work not long ago so I still had get out of Malicious Compliance Mode.

I literally can't find a single fault in anything you've said, Mufasa. This all checks out. And thank you for bringing up about the rewards players are losing out in, because that's honestly huge for a lot of people.

[sleek moth]

Whales or even big players shouldn't even be allowed to hop from alliances. They should be prevented to leave alliance during Alliance Duel. If they left an alliance in the 7 days preceding that, they can only join the duel in that alliance they left.

[still blade]

We can always count on great feedback from you guys. I just want to thank you guys for always working together and coming up with great stuff. It's so good to see

[digital glacier]

Vinn youre so far off in left field it's not even funny.

It's sad.

[vale yoke]

We rely on these items to help us grow. If people aren't getting them because of issues with Alliance Duels, yet players do like Alliance Duel, then the devs need to adjust Alliance Duel to meet the needs of their base.
My alliance doesn't do Duels, as they don't really hold anything of interest for us and aren't on a ideal day (we all work/have families/school/different schedules).

[mighty gorge]

Its OK, yesterdays was that all players that have been governor should have restrictions placed on them from doing anything

[vale yoke]

So I was not aware of all of the issues Mufasa brought up, quite literally, until he said something. That's why I'm grateful for the feedback. Going to vote it now.

[digital glacier]

What I'm saying is.
Thursday 0 utc - 23:59:59 is duel day
If a whale hops to 20000 alliances, they can't play in 20000 alliances they can only play duel in the alliance they were in on Thursday 0utc. Simple.

[sleek moth]

It's not far off. My suggestions works off based on what you just said.

[sleek moth]

And that is what I just said dude...👀

[vale yoke]

It is

[sleek moth]

Just because it was phrased differently, you said it was far off, seriously

[digital glacier]

You're preventing them from hopping all together.

What if Johnny the whale wants to play RR with his friend June in a different alliance.
What you said, prevents this possibility.

[vale yoke]

I think it was just a misunderstanding. But yeah, I interpreted you as saying that people couldn't hop around a bunch of alliances hoping to do duels, they'd have to be limited to their initial alliance duel.

[sleek moth]

And what if they hop from top alliance to 13th alliance just to screw the 16th allliance for example? That is fair to you?

[stable cosmos]

Duels really does need its own map. I'd like it to be fast and hectic. 30 second rallies. Sped up marches.

[digital glacier]

The 7 day thing. That's just crazy.
So, 7 days is a week, does that mean I'm only ever allowed to play duel in the alliance I was in day 1 of world event?
Im confused by your sentence there 🤣

[digital glacier]

Yes. But 1 minute rallies that's what $$$ migo research is for 🤣

[vale yoke]

It wouldn't even have to be an overly large map, either

[stable cosmos]

Needs nothing in it but the buildings either.

[charred swift]

I didn’t like duels at first but I think it is a good event now. Only trouble is the times are in the middle of the working day

[vale yoke]

Exactly, Bob

[sleek moth]

I am saying if they have been in A alliance and left A in the past 7 days, they can only return to join the duel in A. They cann't join duel in Alliance B, C,D or wherever they are if they have not joined the alliance for at least 7 days.

[ember mantle]

I can put feedback in for better or increased hours if you like

[stable cosmos]

It is poorly designed still, but theres something there. Mostly cos it plays the game

[digital glacier]

That's based on the vote time.
Tokens. Wonder if the bet.
Manage the betting better 🙈

[stable cosmos]

Pow and koth suck cos they don't play sos. They play some offshoot

[charred swift]

It’s the same for all alliances so leave it for now

[vale yoke]

I feel bad for anyone who bid on my alliance. One of my state's alliances did and I had to explain that we don't do duels and apologize for the inconvenience. I felt so terribly about it.

[ember mantle]

Okay

[charred swift]

Not sure we have ever chosen an alliance, we have been chosen. I’m not sure how it all works as when I tried to choose there was no one available

[sleek moth]

BTW if you do not allow them to kick 1 day before alliance duel, they will just kick you 2 days, 3 days before alliance duel starts, simple.

[digital glacier]

So. If I play duel in AAA week 1.
And i join a new alliance after duel
Your suggestion excludes me from playing in BBB for week 2.
🤣
I can't play duel in BBB until week 3.

Please stop talking. That's by far the worst feedback I've heard this week.

[vale yoke]

Hey now, maybe it can be tweaked a bit for a compromise. Like... 4 days?

[digital glacier]

But, at least you'll have a chance to join somewhere else that week to earn merits..

[vale yoke]

Tbf I have no idea what's even going on, so I'll just be quiet now.

[sleek moth]

You should stop talking too, you have no rights to ask someone to talk, cause who the big shot you think you are?

Yours sounds more idiotic, almost brainless and lousily thought out feedback that only cares about yourself because you were kicked.

You feedback is ALL ABOUT YOURSELF because yea you were kicked. It's basically a selfish feedback for yourself.

So serve you right for being kicked.

[vale yoke]

What about if it's the alliance you're in at the beginning of each state week?

[digital glacier]

If I'm kicked 23:59:59 I have no alliance on Thursday 0 utc the day of the duel.
I can join anywhere and play duel 😋
Which follows the throwdown exclusion I mentioned.
I wasn't in AAA Thursday 0 utc, so I'm not limited to playing duel in AAA 😋

[sleek moth]

You probably got kicked because you never listen to someone else, only yourself.

[vale yoke]

🤐

[sleek moth]

You should be muted forever, you have no rights to ask anyone to stop talking.

[charred swift]

🍿

[sleek moth]

If you don't accept their feedback, then respond in a civil and persuasive manner, not ask them to stop talking.

[winter canyon]

What the f***?

[sleek moth]

They should not be allowed to join alliance duel elsewhere if they have been in A alliance for most of the time. I do not care if they wanna do Alliance duel elsewhere, because that seems to be just a feedback just for the purpose of bullying others.

[vale yoke]

I respectfully disagree

[digital glacier]

I've said many of these comment before actually. But you wouldn't know this because you're new here to this server 🤣 so unless you're some discord alt account who went on a complete mood swing. Or whatever.. Lol. Anyhow. I'm done with you.
**None of my feedback ** is to sole help my personal. It's a side effect of it yes. But the actual feedback is actually to help tens of thousands of players who dedicate week after week to duel, only to be shafted by a greedy selfish player.

[sleek moth]

Then continue to have people putting tower walls then. Because that is in response to bullies

[sleek moth]

and that the greedy selfish player is you. 🤣

[digital glacier]

If AAA merge in week 8 with BBB.
You're saying those players can't play duel in BBB because those players spent 6 weeks in AAA. 🤣

Bad feedback.

[winter canyon]

Why do you want to ruin trap

It's one of the only good events left

[sleek moth]

Then include the pairing system. Why you allowing someone strong to fight a weak opponent?

[digital glacier]

@vale yoke I blocked um. I can't take much more of "it"

[sleek moth]

So yea your feedback is good, but not good when guys from the top alliance joins a 12,13,14,15 alliance just to bully someone in the 16,17,18,19,20 for example.

[ember mantle]

Please lets remember that everyone has a right to their opinions and to voice them, and lets all be kind in how we discuss them

[sleek moth]

Yea you the it, blocked me then, loser. 🤣

[vale yoke]

We'll use me as an example, Vinn. I'm... I think I'm a p8, 900m-ish bp, nothing special. If I leave my alliance to help a friend do duels to improve their standing in the event and help them grow, I should not be punished for being a helpful person.
Many players in this game would like the option to help their friends, and would - I'd like to think - not abuse the ability to be rewarded for simple decency.
The outliers do not define the majority of us.
So a check system to avoid abuse would be nice, but I don't think people should be disallowed as you have explained.

[digital glacier]

Omfg. You commented and I replied to you instead of vinn on accident 🙈🙈🙈

[sleek moth]

Well people aren't kind here. Only their feedbacks can count but when people refute it they go all personal.

[ember mantle]

I am asking everyone to be kind and to respect every ones ideas and thoughts

[sleek moth]

Some people are just sore losers. Can't win discussions, and they go loser mode.

[vale yoke]

I hope you can see where I'm coming from, Vinn.

[sleek moth]

It's okay, put all your loser feedback all you want. It's up to the developers to take into consideration. And continue to have the tower defense. Selfish feedbacks changes nothing.

[winter canyon]

It?😂

[sleek moth]

When feedback never considers small players in a lower rank alliance, you fail at your feedback.

[vale yoke]

My alliance is rank 13

I'm a p8 and their R5

[sleek moth]

it refering to itself.

[unreal lichen]

People arguing about others feedback and devs don't care about any of them lol

[digital glacier]

I don't know if vinn perfers he she it they them x Y G z lmnop Q 🤣

Just trying to be politically correct here.

[sleek moth]

Sure and you want whales from top alliance to join a 12th alliance just to screw you? it's feedback just means that. No consideration for smaller alliance.

[digital glacier]

They do care about our feedback actually. 😁
Just not in the same aspect people think 🤣

[vale yoke]

If I wanna help a friend in a lower rank alliance with their duels after doing one in my own, I should have that option and not be disallowed for the entirety of the event.
I do see the potential for abuse and think there could be something to help mitigate it, but most of the people I have met in this game are good, solid people who would act respectfully (unless pushed).

[sleek moth]

That is what some players are doing now. Top few guys join from top alliance to a small alliance to screw other smaller ones.

[vale yoke]

And that's another reason my alliance simply does not do duels at all.

[winter canyon]

[vale yoke]

Because the potential for abuse has always been there

[slim walrus]

Zumi? I am sure we have a feedback that I worded about devs should listen more. Let me look for it

[sleek moth]

And you think that guy's feedback was fair?

[unreal lichen]

Because they say they care? Hmm ok

[digital glacier]

One or 100, or 1 million. . That's abuse though 🤣regardless. Helping them the following week should not be an issue. But 2 duels in 1 day 🙈 no. That's wrong.

[sleek moth]

Exactly and hence I have been debating against such feedbacks. Feedbacks that only works well for top players.

[ember mantle]

In my state we do mega alliances for svs so I do occasionally do ad in a visiting situation. However the following weeks I am back in my own alliance

[sleek moth]

But some losers wants to win all the time, so let them win then.

[ember mantle]

Lets not name call please

[slim walrus]

#📋︱feedback-reporting message

Here is the feedback

[olive sluice]

when there are ways to abuse a system, there will be players who do it. Rule 11 in game design.

[sleek moth]

He started with the name call first, called me dumb rightaway when his feedback obviously isn't watertight. His feedback is clear, only for himself because he was kicked out the previous day by the alt alliance.

[ember mantle]

I am asking all involved to stop now

[sleek moth]

There simply is no consideration for smaller alliances.

[slim walrus]

Unfortunately you are absolutely right!

[vale yoke]

No matter how much they change it, or "fix" it, there is always a way for someone bigger to munch on someone smaller.
Constructing feedback to improve the event and help create less capabilities for abuse is not always going to include things we like or agree with, but debate is a necessary part of finding a compromise.
Would you be willing to compromise on your idea about exclusion from the whole event if someone leaves their main alliance after their duel? If so, how?

[ember mantle]

That doesnt have nearly enough upvotes in my opinion

[slim walrus]

I agree that’s why I hope all in here right now will vote on it

[sleek moth]

Maybe make a fair system then. Top players cannot join any smaller alliance for the purpose of alliance duel. Game should realie if they have been in Alliance A the whole time or majority of time and suddenly joined B, they cannot play for B for at least a while.

[mighty gorge]

Thats a little more specific, but mine in the top 10 relates to the same issues

[charred swift]

As a result of this discussion there are a lot of people who didn’t know you could swap alliances for duel and tonight have learned a new way to abuse the system

[vale yoke]

If not, Vinn, then I hope we can still just agree to disagree on this and move forward

[sleek moth]

Sorry can you repeat your suggestion again and see if I agree?

[vale yoke]

Here

[digital glacier]

No. Absolutely not.
I been in sos 4 years. Have the login streak to prove it.
I've predicted many many things sos has done. And I've seen their habitual scam tactics and lots of stuff after 4 years. I don't know their exact methodology but it's like a "I know" what's gonna happen way of thinking.

We loved rr.
They changed it with talents and splash water. We hated it. They haven't changed it back.

We loved the crowbars events and little things like that, haven't seen that event for more than a year.

Bloodsport. Changed. Hate.
AH loved the strategy, so many complained and hated the changed when they release version 2.
Its only been made worse since then.

SOS methodology essentially.
We loved. They Chang. We hate they Don't change.

[slim walrus]

We all have different opinion. And that’s good

[vale yoke]

Dang it Mufasa. Stealing my thundah

[olive sluice]

So the key is to find bullet proof rules. Discussions can help a lot, since different minds have different views on a problem. But people must discuss solution focused, not taking anything personal or assuming things.

[sleek moth]

That's no compromise. That is exatly what I want. If they left the alliance, they cant join duel in another alliance except the one they just left.

[charred swift]

I prefer RR with talents and splash water, so everyone has different opinions

[sleek moth]

Yea RR is fine now. Maybe more talent points might be more fun.

[digital glacier]

70% of vinn feedback result in me losing duel if a Change alliances between duel weeks. 🤣 That's just bad feedback 🤣 I'm sorry, but it is. That helps noone 🤣

[slim walrus]

I love survival royal.

[ember mantle]

Unfortunately, most happy or content people will not say they are happy when they are, but most do when they dont like something

[sleek moth]

Yea again because it's just you, you and yourself. Not about the community or other players at all.

[digital glacier]

Changed to 40 people 🤣

[slim walrus]

And I still love it

[ember mantle]

I love it, it's just with less rewards

[charred swift]

Talent points allow people to ‘specialise’ but they still need to somehow stop the strongest just burning the weakest. There is no skill in that

[digital glacier]

Coming soon to a state near you, changes event to 100+ and more whales
Decreases rewards again.
Triples the price of items in store.
Increase event time by 10 minutes 🤣

[sleek moth]

You can't even max out all of red talents with just 16 points lols

[olive sluice]

there is a skill to reduce the burning, but it's way too weak..

[vale yoke]

Well, I disagree, but hopefully you can kinda see where I'm coming from just as someone who isn't the "whale" type of person. I get your point of view as well, as someone who has been chomped on quite a bit in the last four years.
Still friends?

[charred swift]

I use a mix of talents

[digital glacier]

Or decreases it by 10 minutes so either you die in 60 seconds from a whale. Or the mist. The choice is yours 🤣

[mighty gorge]

I'm happy and content, at not being happy and content, so I can happily complain about um, er...content?

[sleek moth]

Sorry if you disagree then what your suggestion is? I am slightly confused where your direction is.

Do you want whales to join a smaller alliance to bully someone from another smaller alliance? Because that is what it is now.

[ember mantle]

How about we limit it to 1 ad a week, after all we dont get 2 or more rr or koth

[vale yoke]

I want people to be able to leave to help their friends, but with some checks in place to help prevent abuse or targeted harassment as such

[charred swift]

Burning joiners out of rallies by forcing them to relocate seems to happen a lot. Not saying we don’t do it but it takes a lot of the skill away

[vale yoke]

Idk what those checks would be, but if you had ideas, I'm all ears.

[sleek moth]

Pay US$5 to subscribe to no-ads login for 7 days.

[unreal lichen]

Yes I'm playing this game since November 2019 when a fake ad brought me here lol I keep playing just because I'm used to like most of the people who are still playing that long and I've seen so many complaints that Devs never listen but replying with more and more upgrades

[ember mantle]

I would rather watch the ads

[olive sluice]

yep. it's really bad. and the same happens during SvS too.

[sleek moth]

Sure what check in do you suggest? That is easily possible for whales or big players to join a smaller alliance to target small alliance. How do you prevent that?

[digital glacier]

State 20s? 🤔

[ember mantle]

Purely for debate puposes, would you want ppl to be able to leave their alliance and help in rr too?

[sleek moth]

NO for sure.

[ember mantle]

I know my alliance needs to Alliance Duels assistance because I am pretty sure we do it wrong for as often as we take a loss

[thorn axle]

May I add to the rr debate too 👀

[digital glacier]

Vinn doesn't like change, that's all there is to it 🤣

[sleek moth]

Big players should be prevent to leave as well for alliance duel. And if they are locked in in a specific alliance, calculate their power again so they cannot duel with a smaller alliance not of equal power.

[ember mantle]

Tagging you in!

[vale yoke]

They're currently locked in their alliance until Sunday-Monday reset, correct? For Raid? Personally, I don't see any issues with Raid locks as they are. Am I missing something, and if so, educate me please?

[sleek moth]

They not locked in for duel.

[sullen cape]

keep complaining until they delete AD and return old horde 😂

[sleek moth]

If you meet a whale or huge player trying to bully you out, you can do whatever and still lose.

[tardy night]

Let people leave alliances after matches are made and join in to matches in new teams by being in alliance.

[sleek moth]

That is welcoming to hear

[ember mantle]

All we get are whales and huge players

[sleek moth]

Thats why a pairing system for duel is needed too. It should be a fair fight, at least something like RR.

[digital glacier]

Not necessarily.
100 low spenders / f2p
Earns high amount of points, but ranks low in solo migo rank events.
But this compensates the whale alliance that has 80 actives etc.

So, you're earning migo points at a similar rate (or higher) than your whale counterparts, thus you are easy targets.

Potentially.
Also, you could lose because weak players send solo hits on towers held by the enemy 🤣

[vale yoke]

I'm curious what OG-YG has to say about Raid.

[mighty gorge]

[vale yoke]

That's right. Keeeeeeep typing.

[thorn axle]

In a perfect world let’s say the matching was actually decent for Said A alliance, if a big joined from B alliance to help A alliance win their RR, the opponent of A would be very disadvantaged as they have already matched, RR lock in is understandable, in terms of AD there is no match making, it’s whoever declares on you from migo with the most tokens or if you declare on someone with higher, I wouldn’t mind a big leaving to help a smaller alliance just for AD but would be unfair if they played 2 AD’s in the day = more chances of merits which could be unfair for others

[sleek moth]

And how is that fair? Might as well just declare the smaller alliance lose the alliance duel rightaway and grant the rewards to the alliance that decalres the war.

[steel musk]

AD is good as it's
only thing need change is remove towers. 20 min march walking it's alot

[thorn axle]

For the betterment of the state, as a rank 1 alliance I can’t really declare an alliance that’s rank 8 but if another alliance in my state got matched with them and I could help, I would

[ember mantle]

I dont think anything is fair honestly, even with matching all too often we are matched up in a way that one or even two in the case of koth has an unfair advantage

[sleek moth]

If an unfair fight is what some people are advocating then more people won't participate and won't do migo points anymore. So you have no more players at the end except those who are really strong.

[sleek moth]

Yes and revamp it. Either prevent strong players to join to help for whatever reasons or pair and lock these players up from moving to another alliance like RR.

So if they wanna declare war, they only have options amongst those of equivalent power.

[thorn axle]

Funny thing, in my last koth the matching was so unfair that the other 2 alliances actually teamed up against my alliance, they settled on not attack each other and attacked only us, we still managed to win by like 4k points 😅

[sleek moth]

That is because your alliance has very strong players.

[sullen cape]

What I mean just look at the rewards of AD , last migo the rewards was better some glory to help F2P to buy something, and now only top X , can get the set and no more skins for rank alliance .

[ember mantle]

Our last koth was horribly out matched for green and blue, the whole board was pretty much red

[thorn axle]

Yes but it also makes it boring for us in some ways, we enjoy a good fight, so when they teamed against us we actually liked it, it was more challenging

[olive sluice]

KotH legion 1 has no matching.

[sleek moth]

Yea everything done now is only for huge or whale spenders to win now. Small players cannot enjoy the game. Sooner or later only 20 players in each state remains.

[stable cosmos]

Can't just add trap cooldown logic? You're on cooldown for 24/48 hours whatever it is for duels and Can't participate? Just like trap? People should be able to alliance hop except when locked in as an event member like RL

[sleek moth]

Thats at least a step forward.

[digital glacier]

In a perfect world.
selection of player would change the matching after the player changed alliances from B to A to play with A in rr.
.... Or did you forget you're talking about a perfect world here?.....

[sleek moth]

So if they are locked in, they are pairing with someone of an equivalent level and power then.

[ember mantle]

No they would be pairing with who ever they won the bid against

[digital glacier]

Strategy. Discuss with other alliance to double team the 3rd common enemy 🤣
My enemies enemy is my friend. That's strategy 🤣

[stable cosmos]

Being blocked from stuff is rage inducing. If i want to jump alliance let me. If i can't play duels because of that, my problem, not someone elses. By the same token if i leave my alliance prior to duels to play in something smaller and beat the cooldown, also valid as I've missed out on trap and i can't double duel. And i see being able to play 2-3 duels through alliance hopping worse than the fact you might help someone win.

Also, if you lose your accumulated duels merits swapping has very little benefit...

[thorn axle]

In my head when I wrote that the alliances were already matched 😂

[digital glacier]

Not locked in for RR KOH anymore. Only bunkers.

[thorn axle]

Definitely a great strategy for them, in the end we lost both gardenia and the other big building, only had centre, if they teamed up a little earlier we might have just lost

[steel musk]

Did devs start listen to feedback?

[stable cosmos]

Helping a small alliance smash another small alliance if my duel merits go byebyes and i miss out on those prizes i think I'd be less happy than just a little contentment for bullying someone. Not that i can bully anyone

[digital glacier]

Then the player who hops, can't play cause they're not selected🤣

[stable cosmos]

Well thats something. Is it just RL now?

[sleek moth]

Don't forget with alliance duel you can raid someone's resources.

So people might be in for the resources and just to bully because they can.

[thorn axle]

Ima pretend I’m still in the perfect world my brain isn’t braining anymore 🤣

[stable cosmos]

They can do that big or small. If someone is a bully they're a bully

[olive sluice]

btw, how much of the resources do you get back after Duel?

[vale yoke]

Ayup

[digital glacier]

Yeah. Probably. Unless they added the event code to the "able to hop to make svs alliance" to the list of exclusions.

[stable cosmos]

None. Rss are gone

[thorn axle]

I feel like y’all calling me a bully now

I zeroed someone that had 40 bil rss

[vale yoke]

[olive sluice]

cause you are, young padawan

[thorn axle]

In my defence

[olive sluice]

ouch

[thorn axle]

That person shouldn’t leave 40b unprotected

[winter canyon]

Small players wouldn't try to bully anyone

[olive sluice]

bully speech 🤣

[thorn axle]

😭

[stable cosmos]

Yeah but big bullies will bully smaller players regardless of alliance strength

[winter canyon]

My best defense was 1 survived hit with 6 million troops

[digital glacier]

Shield. Or get kicked. And to save rss while being screwed on rr/ KOH & Dino rewards.
And if the devs every screw up the code for troops revive.... Troops go bye bye also 🙈

[thorn axle]

Also in my defence I only took like 5bil, after the troops were gone I sent coords in ac for my smaller members to get

[olive sluice]

they just need to stop getting rss during Duel. It makes no sense to the event

[stable cosmos]

Big bully vs rank 1 alliance or rank 10. No different, find someone weaker and hit them

[winter canyon]

Then it's just impossible to come back after you burn

[thorn axle]

First duels will forever be traumatising haha

Troops all gone

[stable cosmos]

Shielded. Knew it would suck

Specifically hopped on during it just in case my shield was turned off too

[steel musk]

svs next week.. burn everyone

[thorn axle]

Every svs I used to zero myself zeroing other… but over the months the missing 10% really started to show so now I stop 😂

[stable cosmos]

Didn't help that they messed it up so bad the attacking alliance could go round hitting OTHER alliances gathers and occupies

[sullen cape]

And that’s how i won 300 glory 😂

[charred swift]

Remove settlement hits in duel and revamp how points are earned. It’s crazy that you get nothing for occupying a tower unless someone attacks you

[steel musk]

some have wrong heros on garrison.. could zero them so easy.

[stable cosmos]

Settlement hits are ok imo, but it needs a separate map so if you get hit its more by choice

[sleek moth]

Yea that is a very good suggestion.

That would make the point on alliance duel more worthwhile and remove the bullying part.

[winter canyon]

Do heroes on garrison really matter?🙈
Nothing can keep you safe at this point

[thorn axle]

Yes! When alliances don’t want to fight sitting in a tower for no reason giving no merits, very silly, I think it should be like svs/cc, occupation should give merits too

[digital glacier]

I heal. 🤣

[thorn axle]

I hate healing

Even cc I end up with 1mil enlistment

[stable cosmos]

Healing needs work too

[sleek moth]

Nope it shouldn't esp when you have unfair matchups.

[steel musk]

at least not everyone could burn you 😅

[real gazelle]

cc I had 3 mil in my enlistment

[winter canyon]

Burn from solo hits or burn from solo hits... no difference lol

[charred swift]

Do people still play CC 🤣

[stable cosmos]

Duty is broken too 🤷‍♂️

[thorn axle]

Unfair matchups are not the players fault, not their fault that we can only match with people in our migo, and when no one is of similar strength it really takes the fun out of fighting

[digital glacier]

Yes, that leaves me with 1 more feedback about duel....
If your enemy doesn't fight.
You should get 1 merit point. At least just 1.....
I got an alt. It's ranked 51-100 alliance rank.its played every duel week. It has 0 merits 🤣

[sleek moth]

Not in my state...and thats why the others also dont help in SVS.

[thorn axle]

I love cc, my state all of a sudden gets so lively when we are hitting each other’s towers 🤣

[sleek moth]

Which is why maybe at least the bare minimum is making people fight same rank to same rank.

[charred swift]

What state are you?

[steel musk]

some on svs have epic heros on garrison even f2p could burn them..

yes heros don't matter if whale attacked them 🙈

[thorn axle]

585

[digital glacier]

The whopping 8 in that alliance (maybe more played) have 0 merits, but ranked 51-100 🤣 nobody even gets a picture frame 🤣

[thorn axle]

Healthy state overall, sometimes we ask each other if we can hit each other’s towers to make sure we all have hospital room 😂

[stable cosmos]

They never got into a tower or rally to hit/be hit?

[winter canyon]

How many hits can you survive?

[charred swift]

We give one tower for the smaller alliances that they can sit in to get their points in a rota system

[worn pewter]

Found the bs in the devs lies yet again

[steel musk]

from whale? will get burn from 1st attack 😂

[worn pewter]

The 50k is not possible, just had it run the full hour and it glitched a second after with it showing someone had teamed up and nonstop data out of sync error messages to the point of crashing my game

[thorn axle]

What state are you cr, asking for a friend

[winter canyon]

If you can't survive 1 hit, heroes on the wall do not matter at all. It's the difference between burning 1 hit and burning 1 hit

Which is no difference

[worn pewter]

Impossible to get screen shots, locked my entire phone up

Devs are lying to us yet again

[winter canyon]

Maybe you can wound a few thousand more of the enemy, but does that mean anything

[sullen cape]

When will they return MM ?

[thorn axle]

Hey deku, you couldn’t get screenshots?

Oh man too far from my state haha

[olive sluice]

I survive a super whale hit with my best heroes at home. I burn instantly when it's the 3rd+ march.

[worn pewter]

Nope, I said that

But it happened

[real gazelle]

Hey chief, let me see if I can get you an answer . What state are you in?

[steel musk]

I don't mean against whale..

if you use your best heros not everyone could burn you...
if you use gen 3, anyone could burn you even if F2P.. i mean that

[charred swift]

Does upgrading the barricade make any difference to defence?

[olive sluice]

Maxed players can be zeroed when their best marches are out with a few rallies. Seen that in RR.

[worn pewter]

Want to see my wife’s screen shots?

[sullen cape]

S565

[worn pewter]

This shows 9 seconds remaining

Then a at 00:00 it matched someone for a “team up”

Then this over and over

This is an algorithm to ensure nobody gets the 50k. Team ups are not happening from other players with zero seconds remaining, that is coding with developer made bot accounts

[winter canyon]

It will matter if you can survive well enough with a troop number like 2 million

You can put best heroes on the wall and have 6 million troops and survive a hit, but after that you just can't play svs anymore

[sleek moth]

Kinda expected. Why would dev gave you 50k bioscaps for merely USD3

[winter canyon]

You can't heal in time and the next hit or two will be the end

[worn pewter]

Because that is false advertisement and another law suit for them👀

They have it advertised as 50k biocaps if not teamed up within the hour but clearly have it coded to automatically team someone with nobody when it hits the hour mark

[winter canyon]

There has been over 8K teamsup tho

On each bundle

[worn pewter]

You’re not understanding the point

[real gazelle]

Hey chief , so I went looking for the answer and unfortunately there is no news yet on when or if MM is coming back. Keep a look out here: #⭐︱game_information for any game updates

[sleek moth]

Yup kinda expected because I keep seeing those with nobody teamed up gets teamed up at the last minute

[sullen cape]

Hm ok thanks

[sleek moth]

Because a normal player would want to get the 50k biocaps too, so I would start a new team hopefully no one joins.

[worn pewter]

It’s complete bs

[worn pewter]

A normal player would

[sleek moth]

And thats why never buy those, just complete cheat.

[worn pewter]

$3 for 50k biocaps!? That cost $100 in any other way

[sleek moth]

exactly and you will know that never happens for greedy dev

[real gazelle]

Hey chief , upgrading the barricade only gives settlement attack stat and increases barricade durability, doesn’t help for defence

[worn pewter]

This is illegal

You can’t have advertised things that impossible to obtain

And I do mean impossible, not unlikely

[winter canyon]

It gives you 100% troop attack

[thorn axle]

Deku if you like, you can send in a ticket to cs? After we can do a bug report with the ticket number they give you

[sleek moth]

Well advertising something to be wroth USD1000 just to mark it down to USD50 then says the pack is 2000% worth is illegal too

[worn pewter]

Tracking, that is 1,2, and 4 for their law suits

[sleek moth]

That is total cheating imo

[steel musk]

50k cost 100$?!
I have 600k anyone wanna buy? I will sell for half cost lol

[winter canyon]

At 4000 stat it's about 3% extra damage per turn

[sleek moth]

yes 50k indeed cost USD100.

You get 2.5k biocaps for every USD5 pack so 50k biocaps is worth USD100 packs

[worn pewter]

Go look at any pack

[sleek moth]

4000% attack and defense? How about lethality and health?

[steel musk]

I got feedback to post.. Devs should add option to let us sell bios..

[winter canyon]

Barricade doesn't offer that

[worn pewter]

I have feedback, stop robbing us

[sleek moth]

You can buy resources with biocaps and then let people take you for resources.

[sleek moth]

What is the 4000 stats you refer to then?

[worn pewter]

Don’t need rss 😂

[winter canyon]

Infantry attack, hunter attack, rider attack

[worn pewter]

Fk these devs though

🫡

[sleek moth]

That's what I was asking....Is it 4000% for attack and defense? How about lethality and health?

[worn pewter]

Cheating bastards

[sleek moth]

What is the stats for those to get the 3% from barricade each turn as you mentioned

[sleek moth]

best is just stop spending.

[worn pewter]

Well aware

[sleek moth]

If their revenue hit rock bottom, maybe they will decide to check this channel

[winter canyon]

If you go from 4000 to 4100 attack, that's about 3% increase

[sleek moth]

How about other stats?

If I increase 4000 to 4100 defense, does the barricade offer same increase too?

What if have low lethality and health, would it impact the 3%?

[winter canyon]

Damage per turn = troop count x attack x lethality

[sleek moth]

Also what barricade level you referring to? Is it only applicable only to P13 barricade?

[winter canyon]

Plasma barricade

It gives 15 troop attack per level

[sleek moth]

You said it gives 3% extra damage per turn, which P level barricade would I get it?

So if P1 barricade gets 3% extra dmg per turn, P13 gets extra 39%?

[winter canyon]

How much extra damage per turn depends on your stats

[sleek moth]

Yea so someone with low stats, the barricade makes no difference then

[winter canyon]

It would make a bigger difference for lower stats actually

If you have 1000 attack and get another 100 from barricade, that's a 10% damage boost

[sleek moth]

But if someone with 3500% stats hits you, the 10% increases means nothing

Also the main difference is on lethality and health stats now.

[stable cosmos]

What should make a difference is you're behind a fortified wall with a big gun on the roof and if its a solo you're up against 300k or less troops. I know theres no realism here but still. If you just wander up to a castle without seige tools and assault it you generally get smashed

Most seiges historically took months if the walls were good

[sleek moth]

5m troops and you still get smashed

[winter canyon]

That's why barricade does so little

[stable cosmos]

5million troops don't fight... your march plus maybe 100k more fight. Everything else dies of sad

[sleek moth]

It's meant when the state just unlocked plasma level, because the gap is much smaller so people can grow and wouldn't get zeroed iut

[sleek moth]

That is seriously speechless, that what for training so much troops

Used to make a difference with troops count

[winter canyon]

Troop count matters in many events

[sleek moth]

How about reinforced troops? Do all the 1m reinforced troops fight?

[stable cosmos]

Quoting this again.

[winter canyon]

Just seems to be so useless in the HQ for some reason🤷🏼‍♀️

[stable cosmos]

Seems to do the battle "fairly" but calculate the wounded based on totals which is just terrible code. I take more damage from a settlement hit than i do when a whale knocks me off a gas tank

[winter canyon]

Who knows how it works anymore

[digital glacier]

His math is wrong btw, (the mechanics of this once existed) unsure if it still does.

[stable cosmos]

It must be part right. The troop losses aren't logical without some bs happening

And as i say, i take less wounded from a tank or mine hit than i do in my settlement, so its being stupid somewhere

[digital glacier]

You're comparing pvp vs NPC though.

For mining wounded.

You take 0 wounded in trap. And Dino. So yeah 🤣

His math is close but rounded To make the numbers look pretty, let's just say that.

[winter canyon]

I don't even understand the formula even though I've seen it so many times

[digital glacier]

Which is bad when trying to portray am example.
Its like if 1k + 1k = 2k
1250 +1250 = 3k.

Attacker has 6 infantry 2 riders 2 hunters

Defender has 6m 2m 2m

That's
10m vs 10

Square root symbol of lowest 10m or 10.
So square root symbol of 10
That's the square root (minimum ( 6m + 2m + 2m vs 6 + 2 + 2) section

[winter canyon]

So it picks the lowest and takes the square root...

[digital glacier]

Square root of attacking troops....
So square root of 6 infantry × square root of (10 troops in total) = most amount of troops defender can use in battle for infantry Even if they have 10m.they only use 10. according to this formula 7.7 so probably 8.
4.4 for riders and 4.4 for hunters
So. 15 or 17 in total depending on rounding off course

[stable cosmos]

No, pvp still. If someone hits me in ah, or off a crystal gather

[digital glacier]

Different events have different wound rate. Same event have different wound rate at different times in the event 🤣

Not all is different.

But some are.

[stable cosmos]

Oh good,no consistency...

[winter canyon]

What's the point having 10M troops?

If that formula is being used... you have 10 troops fighting 10 troops. When your 10 troops lose you burn and lose 30% of all troops in your settlement

😞

[stable cosmos]

10 million troops normally last longer for non settlement hit gameplay

2 evenly matched people fighting over a building, the one with more troops can go longer

[winter canyon]

There is no way to figure out what's actually happening behind... if that formula is being used or not

[olive sluice]

no, it's NOT 10 troops fighting 10.
The first square root is over the "attacking troops of a type" , infantry for example. Look at the second post there for a realistic example

But then there are so many "features" in the game like shielding and reviving troops, and the dozens of factors from equipment, it's MUCH more complicated. And most of it in favour of the attacker.

[digital glacier]

I fixed my F up. While you were typing @olive sluice 🙈

[digital glacier]

Please revisit @winter canyon

[mighty gorge]

Didn't we have this same conversation several times now about the troop losses

[digital glacier]

So it be attacker 10 vs defender 15 or 17.
6-2-2 vs 8-4-4 or 8-5-5?
So. Yeah. That's how that goes.

Yeah, repeats old history.
Its all sos ever is 🤣

The higher the troops from the attacker. The more it scales exponentially.

[olive sluice]

the cuddly pets are similar to a separate army, so they can kill a lot too on their own.. you can see this when attacking with 1 troop and your behemoths, you still win against not too many other troops

[winter canyon]

But you say they aren't using this formula anymore?

[stable cosmos]

We have, but there is always someone who hasn't had it that thinks having loads of troops matters in an hq hit.

It should, it doesn't

[digital glacier]

If defender has unlimited troops.
The attacker has
60k 20k 20k this now makes defender a defense max of
77.45k 44.72k 44.72k

But if defender has 40k 30k 30k
Then it will be
The same thing
Except.
Defender uses all his troops because they are below the max limit on the values

[winter canyon]

No... why would svs be canceled?

[vale yoke]

If you hate this as much as I do, please go upvote the feedback in the Top Ten room regarding these and other paywalled events. Thanks in advance 🙏

Wouldn't surprise me if it was a visual bug due to the end of MIGO. It's still on the MIGO task list, and the store is still open, plus Capital still shows the timer, so I assume SvS is still on

[stable cosmos]

Only capital clash showing for me. Probably a standard bug for them. Matching will likely start as normal