dnd-discussion

[barren badger]

Are you familiar with the OGL?

[barren pagoda]

No sorry

[barren badger]

It’s okay!

[rough basalt]

The OGL is what property of dnd you can use commercially without legal issues as long as its properly credited

A lot of current tabletop systems are built off dnds ogl

[barren badger]

It’s basically an agreement from WOTC that allows third party creators to use SOME parts of the DND rules to publish content.

[barren pagoda]

Wait so anyone can stream their DND games online using homebrew stuff without any restrictions on TM or license?

[barren badger]

I think so?

[barren pagoda]

I see

[little stream]

About this, if it's just playing offline. No problem right?

[rough basalt]

As long as you're not trying to publish products commercially that use trademarked content

[fossil hollow]

as long as you arent reselling official content not in the srd as your own product, youre fine

[barren pagoda]

If you don’t mind, what’s OGL fully?

[fossil hollow]

using named npcs and such tho in live plays, your fine

[barren badger]

Open gaming license

[fossil hollow]

if wizards cracked down on everyone who streamed their games using their modules or content, they woulnt get very far

[rough basalt]

There was a big problem a few years ago where WotC tried to take over the industry by changing it so everyone whose ever used it to make content needed to pay retroactively and from now on, but that naturally was a trainwreck that didnt pan out.

[fossil hollow]

theyre not games workshop

[barren pagoda]

So can me and my friends do a BG3 continuation table story (since there’s not much post game story, it’d be homebrew right?) and stream without issue?

[fossil hollow]

yeah

[fossil hollow]

people have streamed their groups playing through official modules without any issue

[rough basalt]

Theres a crapload of liveplays, and even if wotc tried it wouldnt end well

Critical Role is part of 5es rise to stardom after all

[barren badger]

It’s also like, free advertising for WOTC

[fossil hollow]

legends of avantris being one, they i think are playing witchlight

[barren pagoda]

That’s actually pretty lit ngl, I thought you had to be in deal with dnd to stream dnd. Wait, I guess I can’t take the stream money? XD

[fossil hollow]

not sure how far in they got

[fossil hollow]

uhhh, i think you can still take revenue from those streams yes. im not a lawyer tho

[barren badger]

I see their shorts a lot

[severe rampart]

Welp. I got snow white'd.

[rough basalt]

Streaming doesn't really fall under the OGL inherently as well

[severe rampart]

Harengon kissed my Yuan Ti back to life

[fossil hollow]

taken in by 7 dwarves? released by a huntsma- oh

[barren badger]

You lost your slipper?

[rough basalt]

It falls under the Wizards of the Coast fan creation policy first

[barren badger]

Ahhh

[odd valley]

them goblins of a particular variety, huh

[cerulean monolith]

The basic premise is that the OGL dictates of the published content, what can be used and in what manner. As long as you don’t share any content from outside of the SRD (so, like, don’t have pop-ups listing Artificer features or whatever) and you aren’t profiting off of an especially derivative work, you’re fine.

[fossil hollow]

i would have thought that was the aurora effect

[severe rampart]

Oh well, yeah, I am a sleeping beauty, queen. /j

[barren badger]

I think this conversation specifically started with discussion of the publication of homebrew right?

[barren pagoda]

It’s chill xD

I just wanna share ideas with people someday and maybe have a game on it. The lore is too magnificent to me

[rough basalt]

But basically, streamings fine, but if you're gonna publish a book on your homebrew setting, you can't use wizards copywritten IPs

[peak pecan]

Your stepmother decided to kill your for arcane reasons?

[rough basalt]

Like Goblins, and other common fantasy creatures are go nuts territory

But Mind Flayers notably are a no no

[barren pagoda]

Yeah I was curious how people actually get to share their own addition to lore/spell/subclass stuff to be official like the exandria. I didn’t know it was a rare one time thing

I thought with how big and fast dnd lore is, it’s because people are constantly adding to it

[fossil hollow]

yee, theres a reason why vox machina calls the gods by different titles and they dont fight a beholder

[rough basalt]

I think Beholders are also no nos, but there's some leeway if its only a "beholder like" as in goes by a different name

[barren badger]

I think the wildemount book was actually published WITH WOTC, right?

[fossil hollow]

tbf, its 50 years worth of people adding to it

[rough basalt]

Like Shadowdark, an OSR system mixing 1st edition and 5e somewhat has a Beholder thats the cover art monster for the corebook

But it has a distinct more grittier design with a magic sigil instead of eyes on its main head

[barren pagoda]

Yeah that’s why I thought homebrew was getting added as things got popular and hence there must be some where ppl post for things to take off

[rough basalt]

And its called the Ten Eyed Oracle

[barren badger]

But if you look at third party modules, like odyssey of the dragon lords.

That is an ENTIRE dnd adventure that uses content from the OGL, but creates its own thing and its own world.

[rough basalt]

So its legally distinct enough

[fossil hollow]

then mcdm with their.... eye tyrants

[barren badger]

Oh are they the Flee, Mortals publishers?

[fossil hollow]

and their... voiceless talkers

[rough basalt]

CR's beholder fight being just referred to as his name K'varn

[fossil hollow]

i read that as kevin lmao

[rough basalt]

Ye the people who saved 5e Monster design

By using the best monster design dnd ever made

4e fixes this

[barren badger]

They do have owlbears though

I love their monster design so much

[rough basalt]

Cause Flee Mortals is basically an OGL legal import to 5e of the 4e Monster Manual with added goodies

[barren badger]

I’ve tried using their little minions and they work, but they never feel great though

[fossil hollow]

wait yeah, they have owlbears

[rough basalt]

Villain actions notably

[barren badger]

That explains why we have roles in flee mortals…

[rough basalt]

Yep, WotC peaked with monster design in the edition known as 4peak

[barren badger]

Really wish we had roles in 5e.

I think combining the correct monsters together has a massive impact on the effectiveness of encounters

[rough basalt]

Unfortunately for the 5e MM their design intentions were
1: Guys, we can't hurt the players!
2: DM's should be able to tell exactly how we want monsters to be run so their CR works correctly without us telling them.

[barren badger]

Okay friends, I need to go not be on discord. It’s nearly midnight here

[fossil hollow]

copy paste the dragon statblocks and make them spam the same things

[rough basalt]

5.5es MM design intentions
1: The only good pc is a dead pc
2: Monsters should be able to handle themselves

[peak pecan]

#1 must always remain true for future editions

[odd valley]

notably, they are also the epithets given to the gods in the exandria book iirc

[rough basalt]

Flee Mortals success probably had an impact on 5.5e bringing 4peak into the "edition that combines all editions"

[fossil hollow]

i remember using an elemental cultist for the first time and im like:
"WHAT?! 6d6 + X damage type for each of three attacks in a single multiattack???"

[rough basalt]

Ye the special cultists are terrifying

[fossil hollow]

"damn i crit the ranger's beast pretty bad with 12d6 + X"

[rough basalt]

I'll throw them with the regular cr 1/8s to throw players off-guard

They'll one shot all with an aoe then death cultist nearly one shots the paladin or something

[odd valley]

hmm

[ornate rapids]

with attacks like that the mortals will certainly be fleeing

[fossil hollow]

fiend cultists getting 6th level fireball 1/day

[odd valley]

sounds like a must have

[odd valley]

zamn!

[rough basalt]

Flee Mortals is an excellent book, that I have not gotten

[fossil hollow]

or was it 2/day

[odd valley]

that’s pretty good!

[rough basalt]

I think its 1/day

[peak pecan]

Even the new Bandit stats are pretty good

[rough basalt]

I love the new bandit captain

[barren badger]

I’m going to be using it on Tuesday. I’m so excited.

[fossil hollow]

i wanna use a crime lord and deceiver so bad

[rough basalt]

I remember my players cracking up when one pulled out a pistol and shot the fighter

[rough basalt]

I'm gonna be using them soon

[barren badger]

Plus 5th level scorching ray at will

[rough basalt]

Humanoid enemies are about to be extremely prominent in my monday game

[little stream]

Always love the complex a magic system is, a gun would always be funny to see

[peak pecan]

The Crime Lord is pretty exciting, the deceiver has me ready to run an intrigue or heist adventure

[fossil hollow]

i remember my paladin being gunned down by two captains at level 2

[past blaze]

But you could possibly make a legally distinct version. Imagine an alien octopus that leaps onto and devours the head of a host before replacing its head, and it mutates the body. That's different to a tadpole inducing ceremorphosis and you could do different things with it as well, imagine a two-headed species with one head being aberrant and retaining its other head. That'd be way different to the Ettin Ceremorph we have in D&D's IP.

Like how half life's headcrabs and dead space's divider heads can both "leap onto head and make host body be zombie" in some technical manner of speaking, but are very distinct from one another, and way different to Illithid Tadpoles and Ceremorphosis.

[odd valley]

ok wait, in flee mortals or the new monster manual

[rough basalt]

MM

[odd valley]

i assume the latter correct

[fossil hollow]

mm

[barren badger]

I just want to kill one of my clerics. I have two. And that’s too many.

[rough basalt]

I have an evil mercenary company ||that has their sights on the party||

[fossil hollow]

my funny clric slayer moment is throwing a cleric into the air with an air elemental

[rough basalt]

Tho they only have 1 target left on the main continent cause mind flayers killed the rest of them

Tokiis dragonborn

[little stream]

In any space, a healer always have a spot for me. Pls dont...

[fossil hollow]

orizontas?

[rough basalt]

Yep, he's the last one

[fossil hollow]

i keep hearing about him, he seems to go through hell

[rough basalt]

Yep, he'll be going through even more by the end of the campaign

Probably literally at some point

[peak pecan]

Planning to use a zombie Hill Giant and some Giant Ticks to kill my training wheels DMPC once and for all

That or gargoyles

[rough basalt]

I'm trying to get my monday games pace going a tad faster

my goal is to finish it or be close to finishing it by new years.

[odd valley]

for my action, i cast the ninth level spell: scheduling conflicts!

[rough basalt]

As a reaction, I cast "I'm usually the one who cancels cause I'm sick, otherwise my players almost always make it"

[peak pecan]

Should I kill her or have her walk off into the sunset, Xenk Yendar style?

[odd valley]

forgot to twinspell it onto timoth

[odd valley]

depends

[rough basalt]

Xenk style is hilarious, but killing might be more impactful

[odd valley]

you trying to instill fear into your players or instill awe into them

[past blaze]

also I'm not gonna lie, Dead Space is currently an obsession for me, it's so invasive
At least I successfully resist any urge to make it in D&D. Sometimes you just have to burn a bridge.

But still even in prior years I've always been interested in zombies in D&D, and the few different takes and adaptations of it. Husk Zombies from wildemount being from a curse, and turning slain victims rapidly, whereas the only other method I've seen was plague burst zombies (the basic slow ones) turning anyone who died to the poison burst after like a minute.

[peak pecan]

I already killed her and traumatized them by accident starting out the campaign

[odd valley]

i’ve got a nifty little trait that lets me cast numerous spell slots in one turn, so i counterspell your reaction! (i walk off into the sunset as explosions go off and a giant pa blares “keyzthefirst has officially won dnd!”)

[ornate rapids]

if you ever change your mind about putting zombies in space in D&D you should research Atropus

[rough basalt]

I had an idea awhile back where I wanted to run Dead Space as a Spelljammer game

[past blaze]

technically that could work but the issue is Dead Space's story I think just doesn't work in the kind of setting that D&D rules represent.

[rough basalt]

Too bad, its gonna happen (not)

[barren pagoda]

Is Artificer an official dnd class in 2024 5e? Or is it more for specific settings? I feel a lot of classes and magic needs to be remade if artificers are a thing, especially the gun type
They’re not quite magic fantasy ish

[rough basalt]

DnD has had guns for a very long time

[barren badger]

Yoink. Stealing this. (I’ve never played the game, but lore videos have been in my YouTube feed)

[ornate rapids]

Artificer is an official class in both 5e and 5.5e

the 5.5e one is much better, except for the level 20 nerf

[barren badger]

There are dnd monsters with pistols!
There are guns in the forgotten realms

[barren pagoda]

Doesnt that make a lot of sword/shield/melee combat be rendered weak?

[rough basalt]

In Greyhawk

[rough basalt]

No, cause they're expensive

[glass granite]

Guns in dnd are surprisingly weak

Assuming you stick with pistols and muskets

[peak pecan]

No

[ornate rapids]

some cantrips are better than guns
unless it's like an antimatter sniper rifle or something

[rough basalt]

They're Renaissance era firearms so very loud and hit hard as they can for balance but very expensive.

[peak pecan]

The same way bows don’t trivialize swordplay

[ornate rapids]

5.5e artificer also doesn't come with firearms proficiency baked into the class like it did in 5e
so it can exist in a world without guns

[barren pagoda]

Wait, how? Irl gun powder and guns came and slowly sword and shield went out of use. How would a fighter with no magic even hold against a pistol person?

[rough basalt]

CR's setting has guns that basically went rampant cause of one of the PCs

[rough basalt]

Because its a fantasy game

[odd valley]

now crossbows and crossbow expert… is a different story

[glass granite]

Because in dnd, guns do, like, at most 1d12 (muskets)

[ornate rapids]

player characters are kind of superhuman

[glass granite]

That too.

[ornate rapids]

a commoner would die to a gun in dnd but that's because a commoner has 6 hit points

[rough basalt]

And it took awhile before guns really replaced everything else

[barren pagoda]

Ahh I see, thanks

[barren pagoda]

Oh damn

[ornate rapids]

player characters and monsters alike can sneeze at commoners and they keel over

[rough basalt]

Like it took 400 to 500 years for Guns to render melee weapons obsolete

[blazing holly]

Blackpowder weapons coexisted with swords and armor for about 400 years in our world

[rough basalt]

FR has had them for around 150 or so years

[past blaze]

Maybe Dead Space 2 with a big city suddenly having a creeping rise of insanity suddenly tip over into an outbreak of violent insanity plus any dead biomass starts reanimating as morphed versions of recombinated parts - But also, beware of scale.
A D&D party is also going to be able to just go anywhere. Technically do anything.
At least for a videogame the environmental design can funnel a player along the path forward with justification from the imposed limitations, I just don't think it'd work without far too much effort for a TTRPG setpiece.
The scale of any dead space story kinda goes way beyond a "monster of the week", even at its smallest scale, due to how intense the 'monster' is.
It's the sheer concept of Necromorphs, as a premise, that in my view can't fit cleanly into D&D unless the entire campaign focuses on it, but that comes at a lot of other expenses in the grand scheme.

[ornate rapids]

there are 'futuristic' weapons but those are specifically for...well futuristic campaigns
those are the only guns that do any serious damage

[blazing holly]

darn, too slow

[glass granite]

Damn near anything in dnd can kill a commoner

[rough basalt]

And 100 of those were a timeskip to ignore a very colossally dumb Forgotten Realms Guide

[past blaze]

fall 10 feet
50% chance to die instantly
yep sounds about right

[rough basalt]

One of the worst books to ever be printed in the history of dnd by the company that owns it

[odd valley]

scag

[rough basalt]

Nah 4e Forgotten Realms Guide

[past blaze]

maybe in another 50 years D&D's setting will advance to make it a gun game

[ornate rapids]

it's a shame the subclasses in SCAG are so weak because they have cool themes

[glass granite]

Getting burned by coals (1d10) also is somehow instantly deadly

[rough basalt]

The guy in charge of WotC at the time basically did to Forgotten Realms what Paramount did to Halo

[glass granite]

Improvised damage table

[rough basalt]

Except he made it canon too

[flint ledge]

I mean to be fair you could Die If you fell down the wrong way

[past blaze]

ah yes the pastime people sometimes do because it's so cool that it's possible, walking on hot coals
3/5 chance to die instantly

[rough basalt]

Guns in dnd are for one thing

Fun

Cause when you have an enemy pull out a Musket on your flying wizard and shoot them down its hilarious

[flint ledge]

I personally think flintlocks and muskets can be so much fun

[past blaze]

however a 40 foot fall becomes 100% fatal under all circumstances, for a commoner's 4 HP.
People IRL can manage to survive falls way further than that, and people IRL can end up dying just from falling from a standing position.

Turns out the abstraction can't be a good simulator for everything

[rough basalt]

Yep, a lot of my settings soldiers use the regular Renaissance firearms

[ornate rapids]

a couple of partnered sources have the humble Blunderbuss

[flint ledge]

Inevitably not every rule can be accurate

[rough basalt]

Rn the country that made black powder firearms are making the first prototype of a Gatling Gun (The crankgun)

But its gonna be treated as a Siege Weapon and only used if i ever run a game there

[past blaze]

This is quite the common theme about a lot of debates over D&D's rules

[blazing holly]

handgonnes are where it's at

all smoke and thunder, very little accuracy

[rough basalt]

Also a Blunderbuss is making its rounds on the seas

since you can just take anything and shove it down the barrel and fire

[uneven harness]

in 5.5e what subclasses are there that allow you to cast the 'summon' spell without concentration?
draconic sorcerer
fey wanderer ranger
Great old one warlock
I don't think there is anymore right?

[limber trail]

My setting uses Hunting Rifles and Revolvers rather than the original renaissance-inspired weapons. They’re slowly being distributed but still very rare and unstable

[rough basalt]

Tho i do have a homebrew domain of dread where theres Bloodborne weapons

Specifically limited to 3 major npcs who you need to gain the trust of to access

I wish i could further my work on these settings

Mind fog DC is too high to pass.

[peak pecan]

Think Noble Genies Paladin and Clockwork Sorcerer

[tardy cloak]

Anybody has idea how to take control over a zodar?
Like why should he grant me those wishes

[uneven harness]

neither don't sadly

i'm looking to try and summon max i think only those 3 subclasses do that

[peak pecan]

I think the only time it uses its Wish is if it’s in mortal peril

It gets one, and when it uses it, it dies

[tardy cloak]

Yeah, and we cant force him to do it or make him do it emotionally.
How should we convince him doing that

[uneven harness]

if this isn't spelljammer

then not sure, and feels a bit megagamey if it is

[peak pecan]

You have to make it seem like you’re going to kill him; it literally is the only context in which he’ll act to defend itself

[uneven harness]

yeah, like in spelljammer, the whole thing its programmed to stop corruption and kill its empire if it ever was to happen, and it uses wish spell to heal the party after fighting it

[peak pecan]

It feels very metagamey; good luck with your Zodar dilemma

[ornate copper]

That’s actually kinda sick lore ngl like a built in failsafe that’d rather destroy everything than let corruption spread

[sinful crater]

Your party about to start emotional manipulation tactics just for one wish spell

[neat marsh]

I’ve seen it done for less

[sinful crater]

Which class is your favourite one?

[neat marsh]

Monk

[sinful crater]

Oh great which monk subclass do you think is the most fun to roleplay

And I ma curious why do monks always feel weak in the early game but broken later

[neat marsh]

I prefer open hand just because it’s fun deciding where the enemy gets to stand. My most recent one is a shadow monk though that’s surprisingly fun.

[sinful crater]

I have not tried shadow monk yet though what makes it so fun for you?

[neat marsh]

Recent one is shadow monk/ undead warlock. It’s a whole vibe. Sort of ambush predator with jump scare moments.

[sinful crater]

Wizard is my favourite one I always play but now If I play, I have decided to choose the elf

[neat marsh]

I always played wizard when I first started D&D but then 3e ruined it for me. Too OP.

[sinful crater]

You played in a campaign

[neat marsh]

Yes

[sinful crater]

Oh great how long is the season?

[sinful crater]

by the way what changed in 3e that ruined Wizard for you I mean was it just the balance or did the playstyle stop feeling fun too?

[neat marsh]

The mechanics in 3e was very broken, but even worse for the wizard. It just felt too powerful to be fun in a group dynamic.

What do you mean by season?

[sinful crater]

I mean how long does it runs its a mini campaign or a long-term campaign

[neat marsh]

Oh long term campaign. The group I play with now, plays four hours a week and we run from 3-20th level. Takes just shy of two years.

[sinful crater]

Oh a long time great so do you all enjoy and what's classes classes other players are playing

[neat marsh]

Current party includes a glamour bard, fighter/artificer, and a war cleric.

[sinful crater]

Thats a pretty fun party mix honestly so have you ever gotten artwork made of the whole group together feels like that lineup would look really cool visually

I also have my party its include barbarian sorcerer druid and rogue whch I played in past

And for surprising my party I made art of whole party together

[blazing holly]

2nd edition ADnD generally had much bigger restrictions on magic use, from the fighter having 4x as many attacks, to needing 8 hrs of rest +10 min/spell level to memorize

and that's before even touching the concentration and 5 foot step stuff

[sinful crater]

In 2e wizards were very limited long rest to prep spells fewer actions harsh restrictions so in 3e they became much more flexible so fighters felt weaker and wizards felt like they could do too much changing both balance and the whole playstyle

[blazing holly]

Casters in 3e basically made non-casters pretty much bystanders

[red steppe]

There's only like one martial build that lets u throw mountains for bazillion damage in 3.5e

[lavish flame]

the big 3 spellcasters in 3.5 could just summon better fighters than a Fighter of their level would be. it was a weird time for sure

[red steppe]

they can do those at 5e too

barlguras

[heavy stag]

Hey everyone!
I'm a DM with a 4 years of experience. I'm curious about DMs who are non-native English speakers but they run their games in English. Could you share any advice? I'm planning to run my games in English but I'm not sure if my level is enough. Were you nervous at first too?

[twilit summit]

Hey, does anybody here knows Faerun well?

[ornate copper]

An open hand is so satisfying honestly, Just bullying enemies around the map never gets

[still plover]

Depends on what you want to know.

[tough lynx]

Balguras, a summon casters get at level 7 does 23 dpr against an ac of 17. Against an ac of 17 a melee fighter at level 7 does (11+30+2.5+15)x.35=20.475 damage. Both are accounting for the accuracy of the attack.

[twilit summit]

Place for county for my noble tiefling

[still plover]

Ask in #dnd-lore if there are any notable tiefling families of standing in FR.

Or just give your family a patch of land, a manor and a village. Like the Ilphelkiir estate.

[twilit summit]

I meant I want to do the second one, just can't find a good place for it

[still plover]

Looking at the map, you mean? Just put a dot down.

[twilit summit]

I mean I don't know where to put the dot down. Maybe you can recommend some places?

[still plover]

You might want to be coastal, or inland. Near a big city, or isolated. How do you feel about mountains? What are your criteria?

[twilit summit]

Something similar to european with French/Italian-lean, that wouldn't look out of place (like it'd be strange if tiefling family was in the middle of elven forest). Also i'd prefer inland, but wouldn't mind a river nearby, and view at mountains would be awesome

[still plover]

Grab the map in one hand and the FR wiki in another, have a look around.

[neat marsh]

Near luskin is pretty open minded country if you don’t mind the occasional bandit. It’s coastal and has mountains nearby.

[twilit summit]

What about greenfields?

[twilit summit]

Now I need to find it on the map

[neat marsh]

Just south of Icewind dale on the sword coast.

[twilit summit]

Dude, that's the first time I opened the map of Faerun

Can you tell me where's it in relation to Baldur's Gate?

Found it. I highly doubt it's anything similar to France/Italy

[humble cairn]

Faerunian culture is fantasy, it can be anything you want it to be though yeah a lot of it is vaguely Euro inspired. Have you looked at Cormyr?

[valid geode]

I still remember my first session, I’m so nostalgic for it im gonna hit up my Dm , which just so happens to be my previous technology teacher , so we can do silly shenanigans

[limber trail]

You can just invent a place and say that it has that culture and environmental makeup.

Faerun is a setting which has a lot in it, sure, but you're not likely to just find what you're looking for lying around. Luckily, you can usually just write something into the setting with no issue.

[undone rain]

It could be almost anything, scifi, wild west, victorian, middle ages

[livid brook]

a level 13 champion fighter with a Haste ring and Action surge gets 5 attacks in one turn?

[undone rain]

Scifi for sure works, just look at the mindflayers and their ship

[livid brook]

or does Two extra attacks reset after action surge

[undone rain]

If im correct, fighters have 3 attacks at level 13, then action surge and you got 3 more so you got 6 and then with haste, 7 attacks in one turn but i dont know if haste stacks with action surge

[tough lynx]

Haste is an additional action, action surge is an additional action they don’t stack

[neat marsh]

You get your full attack action with action surge.

[undone rain]

I figured so

Man that would be insane if it did tho

[tough lynx]

Haste still wouldn’t ever be worth casting imo

[humble cairn]

You can take an Action Surge and the extra action from Haste in the same turn.

[tough lynx]

They do

[humble cairn]

I'm not sure how that response connects to what I said.

[tough lynx]

From my understanding they were asking if haste made action surge give 2 action surge actions

[neat marsh]

No their actual question was if action surge gave one attack or more.

[tough lynx]

Yes that was originally asked

Then someone else said it does stack so it 7 unless action surge and haste stack

I was responding to that

[neat marsh]

Haste and action surge stack for a total of 7 attacks.

[tough lynx]

They don’t stack in the way they were asking about

They were asking, from my perspective, if action surge doubled the actions you had

Which it doesn’t

It gives +1 actions

[neat marsh]

True

[tough lynx]

Haste gives +1 action

[humble cairn]

If we're talking about this question #dnd-discussion message about "stacking" it seems to me that it's asking whether or not you can use Haste and Action Surge in the same turn.

I'm not super clear what way you thought they were asking abotu stacking.

[livid brook]

Wasn't sure is the haste spell gave me back my 3 extra attacks

[tough lynx]

I assumed they meant if the action surge was added with haste again

[humble cairn]

7 attacks. When you use Action Surge you get all of your Extra Attack feature. When you use the Haste attack, you only get one attack.

[livid brook]

Kk

[tough lynx]

Maybe I’ve been playing too much Balatro talking about retriggers and such

I thought they were asking if

Normal action + haste action + action surge normal action + action surge hasted action was a thing

Which it is not

But I’m just tired I guess

[livid brook]

And i could get 8 attacks if I use polearm master for a bonus action or was that changed

[neat marsh]

Yes 8.

[limber trail]

I wouldn't necessarily add entire genres to a game without consulting a GM heavily

But yeah things like italian and french inspired cultures is already a lot of FR

[humble cairn]

Anything that grants you a Bonus Action Attack would still work.

[undone rain]

One of my fav feats

Polearm master is great

[pastel crown]

Hows everyone doing

[buoyant sparrow]

Good but that's not the appropiate channel for that

[neat marsh]

There’s a channel for asking how people are doing?

[rugged burrow]

Unhinged.

[idle oar]

There is #non-dnd-topics for stuff that isn't specifically D&D rleated

Feel free to check id:browse to see all our many channels for specific topics

[pastel crown]

Sorry guys

Im new to the server so

Yeah

[buoyant sparrow]

Don't worry

[pastel crown]

Thanks delta

[idle oar]

No worries! A few greetings here and there is not the end of the world
it's when it spawns a huge back and forth off-topic discussion in channels

[pastel crown]

Ok

[buoyant sparrow]

If you have any questions regardind dnd ask in #dnd-newcomers

[barren pagoda]

Is there any spell or ability that gives the Steeped in Bliss effect in DND? Effects are:

1) Seized by great joy, affected entity is more energised and also more mentally compliant. Entity has Advantage on physical Ability Check and Disadvantage on mental Saving Throw.

2) Entity is also vulnerable to ⁠Psychic damage.

This is from Baldur’s Gate 3

[twilit summit]

I meant climate-wise

[neat marsh]

Probably around Baldurs gate is your best bet, but no mountains.

[livid brook]

I wonder if Champion/Psion would work

[twilit summit]

What about greenfields?

[humble cairn]

Psion is not an official class. And if you're new I would recommend staying away from multiclassing entirely.

[livid brook]

Isn't it as official as artificer

[undone rain]

But it is an upcoming one right?

[humble cairn]

No, Artificer has been published officially, Psion has not. Artificer has been officially published twice, actually.

[humble cairn]

Maybe, maybe not.

[undone rain]

Potentially

[humble cairn]

It could go the way of Mystic.

[undone rain]

True true

I wonder if we are getting new subclasses

[humble cairn]

That's all but certain.

[undone rain]

Hope cleric dosent get too many, considering they have so many domains. More ranger and rogue would be nice

[humble cairn]

They're also going to keep updating the older subclasses as well.

[undone rain]

Sweet

[humble cairn]

I wouldn't bet on all of them, but the more popular ones will get updated.

[undone rain]

I do hope rangers get a bit of a buff. Nothing too big but a small one would be nice

[humble cairn]

The class in general? Why? Rangers are great!

Some new spells might be nice, though. I like Alustriel's Mooncloak, but maybe some good lower level ones.

[undone rain]

Yeah some new spells

[livid brook]

Is rangers preferred enemy still locked to one choice

Would be nice if you could change it every long rest

[narrow moss]

Isn't it just Hunter's Mark now?

[still plover]

Yup: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Level1FavoredEnemy

[livid brook]

Oh cool

[spring chasm]

Anyone got Idea for magic flowers? like you squeeze and fire or acid come out

Mostly something you use as weapon

[narrow moss]

Guiding Bolt as a golden rose?

[humble cairn]

You should be able to see for yourself for free: https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/2190882-ranger

[spring chasm]

Thx that would work

[paper portal]

chromatic roses are a thing

[narrow moss]

look up flower meanings too. Might match spells that way.

[timber turtle]

Would and investor vampire be good, they just invest in things and then go to sleep until they can collect on the profits and become the richest person in the world

[shy stirrup]

Or, wake up and find there's been a market crash and they're left with nothing

[narrow moss]

Considering vampires were originally a representation of greed, yeah. That's perfect.

[shy stirrup]

Annnnnd it's gone.

[late kernel]

Kyle! Kyle! They took everything.

[swift copper]

Is there any rules about hiding during combat?

[next solar]

"With the Hide action, you try to conceal yourself. To do so, you must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity (Stealth) check while you're Heavily Obscured or behind Three-Quarters Cover or Total Cover, and you must be out of any enemy's line of sight; if you can see a creature, you can discern whether it can see you.

On a successful check, you have the Invisible condition while hidden. Make note of your check's total, which is the DC for a creature to find you with a Wisdom (Perception) check."

-phb 2024, p.368

[livid brook]

Or, a lawyer vampire

[undone rain]

You ever wonder if they have different drinking ages for different races

Like 14 year old aarakockra can drink but a 80 year old elf cant

[next solar]

now im imagining a bartender with a huge scroll listing each race and drinking ages

[undone rain]

"Listen i know your over 70 but it says right here that your still a teenager i cant serve you"

[blazing holly]

You know, I never thought about that. Mostly because there is no such thing as drinking age in my worlds

[undone rain]

Yeah i figure why but its a fun thought

[blazing holly]

Yes it is! It would make for a great scene. Like the cantina scene in star wars

[crimson gulch]

Nah, elfs age so slow things must effect them less, they are past drinking by 20 and get to Try arcane moon slurry or somrsuch

[undone vine]

hi

[next solar]

hello!

[narrow moss]

Saw a joke about just that with a big book.

[noble turtle]

me when i start to get carried away writing about my character’s home country 🤩🤩🤩 i think its 8 pages and counting

i havent even done the map yet 😭😭😭😭

[last flume]

Tbh Elves physically mature at the same rate as humans but they're super spiritual and their culture makes them be seen as adults by their peers at around 100 years

[hot marlin]

Moreover, why the hell would a traditionally medieval-renaissance-like D&D society even restrict alcohol by age?

That is stupid. We started doing that very recently. For most of history, it was common to see children getting drunk

Which, yes, was bad. But we really didn't care

[radiant marsh]

"It's for the anti-oxidants" we said. We also used to say cigarettes were a health product. I've never seen a DnD campaign that used something like cigarettes though.

[last flume]

Wasn't this becasue alcohol was safer to drink then water because it was cleaner?

[radiant marsh]

I didn't think about that, maybe

[humble cairn]

Less living pathogens at least.

[shy stirrup]

Yes - beer, specifically

Cholera is not fun

[hot marlin]

Uh? The stereotypical wizard smokes a pipe.

[blazing holly]

Yes, but then they also had table beer and small beer, they brewed at least thrice on the same mash, the last of which had very low alcohol content

[radiant marsh]

Idk how I forgot that 🤦‍♂️

[shy stirrup]

Yes, hence the expression "small beer" (low stakes, trivial)

[humble cairn]

I played a Druid and flavored my Moon Sickle as one of those long fancy cigarette holders with a crescent moon motif.

[blazing holly]

and fit for consumption by children

[shy stirrup]

Also yes, in moderation

[lavish flame]

its also somewhat easy to make your own personal alcohol, whereas making your own personal water is either impossible or a very involved activity.

[narrow moss]

alcohol was historically used because we didn't have water treatment tech back then

[shy stirrup]

The Romans were a bit of an exception with their aqueducts, but yes

[minor cargo]

Fermentation as a vehicle for world building.

[narrow moss]

usually in areas without easy access to clean water probs

[shy stirrup]

Yea, all this is grist for the mill

pun intended

[narrow moss]

beer had a huge influence for earth, why not other worlds

[radiant marsh]

Newbie question, just thought about this: does the official 5e rules talk anything about how to disadvantage rolls based on a character being drunk? Or is that up to the DM in the moment usually?

[blazing holly]

there's a reason why almost every culture has used it

[fathom gate]

rolls a d20

[shy stirrup]

People like a certain authenticity with such minor details, even in some grand fantastical campaign

[lavish flame]

up to DM. people commonly substitute the Poisoned Condition for being drunk, but the books never tell you to do that. I personally like Adv on Strength and Charisma checks and Disadv on Dex and Intelligence checks.

[blazing holly]

Oh they still fermented, in fact I believe wine was part of the rations for their Legions

[shy stirrup]

A world can be completely strange to our own, or others, as fantastical as you can imagine it, but it should have its own internal logic, that makes it believeable (as a fantasical land)

[radiant marsh]

Thanks!

[shy stirrup]

In the context of public health and the souce and distrubtion of water

Aqueducts were win

But we're not here to discuss Roman civic engineering, per se

[blazing holly]

most certainly, and they also built similar structures even in their temporary fortifications

[blazing holly]

I suppose you are right, though it is a fascinating subject

[shy stirrup]

There's a wealth of historical detail in our own world, across time, across continents, that can inform your game. It's just waiting there for you to notice it and implement it

[radiant marsh]

The details can really take a good campaign to a great one, for sure

[undone rain]

Maybe its like if an elf bartender served an elf whos under 100 wouldnt serve em but a human would maybe

[hot marlin]

Honestly the whole "bartender checks the age and must account for species" is just a comedic, silly idea that should not be seriously given any thought.

First off, the idea of drinking age laws applying to a medieval or renaissance society is absolutely idiotic.

Second, the idea that those laws, even if they existed, could actually be enforced, is also laughable

Third, I have never met a single bartender in my life who cared. We were getting beers at the bar when we were sixteen or seventeen and nobody would bat an eye

[barren badger]

I think this really depends on country/region

[hot marlin]

That is fair. I heard the US is a bit more serious about this

[peak pecan]

It is

[blazing holly]

The US is big, some places are, others are not

[ornate rapids]

imagine every tavernkeep having to keep a thick book handy listing the drinking ages for various races
an amusing thought

[hot marlin]

And what purpose does it serve? Does the tavernkeeper have any way to check people's ages?

[tame ore]

that could make for a funny bit in a campagin

[hot marlin]

It's a useless waste of paper and ink

When you look at an elf, you have absolutely no way of knowing if they're 21 or 483. So what even is the logic? If it's a joke, it's not funny on its own. It would be funny if it was part of a genuine constant atmosphere of anachronism and comedic subversion. On its own, it's just eye-rolling

If you are playing a campaign that acts like Shrek or Terry Pratchett's Discworld where mixing modern bureaucracy with medieval fantasy is the core premise of the setting then a bartender pulling out a massive binder to check an Aarakocra's ID is funny. The world is built on anachronism. If you are playing a serious, gritty, Lord of the Rings-style campaign, suddenly dropping a modern 21st-century ID-checking joke into the middle of a tavern scene destroys the immersion. It breaks the fourth wall in the hopes of a cheap laugh

[blazing holly]

I agree that it needs more consideration to be amusing, at which point it begs the question whether it is worth the effort

[hot marlin]

In fact putting a joke like that in your serious campaign is not only unfunny, it's actively harmful to the campaign

As a DM. Players can get away with more, but not DMs.

[blazing holly]

It could certainly break the atmosphere, yes

[tame ore]

yeah for sure for the light campaign! thats what I was referencing- if my DM pulled that in a serious campaign it might be funny because of the contrast, but I would absolutely laugh if a DM made the bartender pull a 'and your age is?' 🤨

[halcyon forum]

I mean you could have government mandated ID cards in some settings without everything else getting too modern

actually this could be a great starting place for some interesting and unusual world building

Why the hell has the Kingdom of Cretonia instated these (magic) IDs?

[cursive fjord]

Sweet I just found out my character can jump 120 feet in a single round!

Gotta love 24' ruleset

[empty thicket]

like long or height?

because i can jump the double of that, off a cliff...

Will die doing it yeah, but i can.

[last flume]

you're not limited by your movement speed anymore?

[cursive fjord]

Not with the jump spell

[last flume]

Yeah but that's something different

[cursive fjord]

The new jump spell is crazy

[last flume]

true love it

[cursive fjord]

I got 45 movement and it let's me jump 30 feet for 10 movement

[last flume]

The jump spell makes you jump 30 ft. though instead of adding 30

so you can't jump further then 30 ft. with it, uh, I think

[cursive fjord]

That's not what the spell states.

[last flume]

trade in 10 feet of movement for 30 feet magic jump

[cursive fjord]

Wait it does say ONCE

[last flume]

You touch a willing creature. Once on each of its turns until the spell ends, that creature can jump up to 30 feet by spending 10 feet of movement.

[cursive fjord]

Once on each of its turns until the spell ends, that creature can jump up to 30 feet by spending 10 feet of movement.

[last flume]

So you can't triple jump 30 ft xD

[lavish flame]

Jump is still crazy tho, turning a movement speed of 30 into a (effective) move speed of 50 is nuts

[cursive fjord]

I was using it last session to punch flying creatures

What really interesting is i have compounding things so I can't never really tell how far I can jump

[grizzled lance]

I like the new jump better then the old jump ngl

Much more stright foward and to the point

[hot reef]

Yeah, old jump didn’t mesh well with the jumping rules at all
Although now it and Longstrider do pretty similar things

[ornate rapids]

jump technically gives you an extra 10ft of movement over longstrider
though longstrider would apply to flying, climbing, burrowing, & swimming speeds if you had those
so each has its uses

[hot marlin]

Jump lasts a minute, longstrider lasts an hour. That is also an important distinction

[ornate rapids]

indeed!

Jump is almost certainly for combat or specific parkour moments

unless you can just cast it at-will, as Warlocks can do with an Invocation
or you're a high enough level Wizard to take it as one of your at-will spells

[agile dirge]

Hlloooo. I don't catch it, What's the point of the Ravenloft's discord activity? I mean, it seems cool but there's a reward or something?

[lavish flame]

you can get Ravenloft as part of a giveaway. beyond that, its just fun to participate in community activities

[barren badger]

how do you find the activity?

[lavish flame]

#mist-walkers

[rough basalt]

Welp I'm now back down to 1 game as a player per week

[blazing holly]

I feel your pain

[round vector]

Oh dear

My DM today gave my my character, a melee Fighter 2 with Str 11, Dex 12, Con 11, Int 8, Wis 9, Cha 12

[hushed mason]

Were you expecting to play commoners?

[round vector]

It's convention play, so the expectations were not clear

I can tell you exactly what happened with these stats

This was done old school style where you roll 3d6 in order and then have to take what you get

[hushed mason]

In 3.5, the rules are clear that this would be a reroll.

[rough basalt]

3d6 in line is 3d6 in line

[round vector]

Older school than 3.5

[blazing holly]

Then play him. When he dies, make another one

that's how we played it in my groups back then

[round vector]

I'm leaning towards walking out

[shut lance]

nah play him as someone who is way overconfident in his abilities

[shy stirrup]

Why?

[round vector]

It's clear that what's going on is this is a friend group that moved apart and can only keep a campaign running by playing at cons, so I'm being dumped in the middle of a long running game where everyone else is friends and knows what's going on and I don't, and nobody is interested in explaining

[shut lance]

if someone lifts a gate ' I could do that too, if I wanted to'

[blazing holly]

that's one way of getting a new character yeah

[round vector]

I'm the third wheel they'd rather not have in the game but it's a con and I got to register

[shy stirrup]

Oh, well that's a different reason than 3d6

[round vector]

Oh I play OSR games

[shy stirrup]

Gotcha

[shut lance]

if someone handed me a monk with bad stats i would rename it Wimp Lo @blazing holly

[round vector]

I can handle losing 5 characters in one session and rerolling whenever I die

[shut lance]

'hows my face to fist style?' 'I am bleeding, making me the victor'

[round vector]

I tried to do this in a Werewolf game last night

The problem is werewolves are absurdly powerful and my unhinged behavior actually worked

[shut lance]

I do wierd crap for one shots

[round vector]

I accidentally turned the Werewolf game into homicidal yaoi and I swear I wasn't trying to

[last flume]

yaoi?

like yokai?

[shut lance]

I had a glasswalker werewolf with fire runes on its claws and took capoeira as martial since from brazil.
breakdance fighting with fire as a 10 foot warform

[round vector]

Japanese word for fiction about gay male romance

[rough basalt]

Which ones?

[round vector]

Shadowdark, OSE, DCC, Mork Borg

[rough basalt]

I wanna try the Borg games, they sound fun. Shadowdarks the OSR game i have, and I love it

After running 5.x it feels like a vacation running Shadowdark when i do run it

[shy stirrup]

Earlier systems/OSR are easier to run, that's for sure

As a consequnce of that the OSR community doesn't seem to suffer the same level of DM shortage that 5e does

[rough basalt]

Easy to run/play systems are easier to get people to try I feel

[blazing holly]

Interesting

[rough basalt]

I'd like to try and get some more of my 5e friends to try Shadowdark

since if you can play 5e, you can learn to play it quicker than others

[blazing holly]

I would think they are eaiser to learn, but harder to master. Many more gaps the DM needs to fill

[shy stirrup]

For sure, but the harder to master part applies to the players

DM can kick back and popcorn

[blazing holly]

Only the players ? I recall a whole lot more rule adjudication

[shy stirrup]

Rulings, not Rules, is the mantra of OSR DMing

[blazing holly]

or even rule creation on the fly

[blazing holly]

If that's what you want to call it, sure. But that requires DM skill

[shy stirrup]

Doesn't everything? 🙂

[blazing holly]

Well, a different set of skills from DMing 5e, then, if you prefer

And one that I would argue is harder to master

[round vector]

5E and OSR are for different things

I play both for different reasons

[shy stirrup]

Rulings require good judgement. In abscence of that, you have rules.

And yes, they are different games, despite having the same DNA. OSR is really just remixed Basic D&D

(or AD&D)

[blazing holly]

More Basic than ADnD, no ?

[round vector]

I just got a lecture from the DM about why I'd know AD&D isn't OSR if I knew OSR

[lime plume]

What's the difference between D&D and AD&D?

[shy stirrup]

Typically, OSE for example has two versions, one for each, some lean more towards one or the other, many try to synthesize the two

[blazing holly]

rules complexity, mainly

[round vector]

AD&D is Gygax being super whiny about other people writing D&D rules

[shy stirrup]

Pretty much yea

[round vector]

So he wrote a rule for absolutely everything so that nobody else could write rules

Gygax himself admitted he never even used those rules

[shy stirrup]

If the term crunchiness in the TTRPG space means something to you, AD&D is much crunchier than Basic

[round vector]

3E is simultaneously more and less crunchy than AD&D

[blazing holly]

Eh, there was a demand for more crunch at the time, TSR published a product to try and satisfy that demand, can't really fault them for that

[shy stirrup]

Hordes of people wrote into Dragon Magazine demanding more crunch. Who were they to say no?

[round vector]

I think that a very charitable framing of Gygax's behavior

[blazing holly]

I prefer it to the opposite. Why be uncharitable to the dead ?

[round vector]

Because he thought I had no place in this hobby and was not shy about saying so.

Also I don't know why people just glaze over the whole embezzling money from TSR for drug benders in Hollywood thing.

[lime plume]

Ahhh Dragon magazine. And Dungeon too. How I miss them.

[round vector]

I have the first 250 or 500 issues on CD

I forget exactly how many

I find that the weird stuff people were writing in the 70s makes me feel validated in my own worldbuilding

[feral fulcrum]

Just because they're dead, especially if it's not exactly recent, doesn't mean you should just ignore someone flaws or problematic behaviors out of politeness?

[blazing holly]

I don't think I have in any way adressed Gary Gygax, his flaws or behavior anywhere. Stop strawmanning me, please

[feral fulcrum]

...I was adressing the very post I quoted. "Why be uncharitable to the dead."?

[blazing holly]

I still don't see how that implies what you wrote in your post

[feral fulcrum]

Shrugs

[blazing holly]

My statement was on the behavior of TSR as a company

I possess far too little accurate information on the person Gary Gygax to level any sort of judgement of his character

which again, is pointless, since he's very much dead

[atomic kayak]

Theres no need to be charitable, regardless of if he is dead or not. Its very well on record how bad a person Gygax was

[hot marlin]

It's not like the dead care or can be harmed in any way by uncharitable descriptions of their behaviours.

[lime plume]

I've never played Pathfinder. Very much interested though. I've read the comics.

[twilit sail]

being dead doesnt erase what youve done

i think talking about gygax's beliefs is pertinent to discussing dnd since it affected how he built his game

[blazing holly]

and likewise can they not be hald accountible in the reverse case, so it's just a matter of whether you want to go around feeling angry about something that might or might not be the case

[hot marlin]

OK so I don't understand this sentence

I'm trying, but... Are you sure there isn't a word missing or something?

[blazing holly]

No one was talking about erasing anything. Again, strawman

[hot marlin]

That is not actually a strawman fallacy.

[twilit sail]

i was looking at the context of "why be uncharitable to the dead?"

you asked why, i gave a reason

[last flume]

-# 🫥 can we not

[twilit sail]

i didnt exaggerate anything

[errant crag]

Hello chat. Arguing about Gary Gygax are we?

[twilit sail]

gary gygax killed my family

[hot marlin]

Not my fault this time!

[errant crag]

Gary Gygax smoked cigars and blew the smoke into my face

[mighty pulsar]

Idek who he is 😭

[twilit sail]

he made dnd

[errant crag]

Guy who made D&D

[mighty pulsar]

oh

[errant crag]

The first dungeon master

[mighty pulsar]

Why is he a bad person?

[lime plume]

The father of D&D

[errant crag]

Because he's sexist and probably racist

[hot marlin]

To be precise: He is one of the many people who made D&D.

[blazing holly]

was waiting for that one

[errant crag]

He's also Mordenkainen

[twilit sail]

“Damn right I am a sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men… They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care.”

[hot marlin]

Well, he's dead, so he's neither of those things. In the present tense, he's only rotting.

But he absolutely was racist

[errant crag]

He's probably done rotting by now

[twilit sail]

tru

[errant crag]

Yes probably just a skeleton by now

[hot marlin]

That depends on the coffin

[mighty pulsar]

Oh sexism, bad but not as bad as I thought it was going to be tbh

I’m numb to sexism atp 😭

[twilit sail]

yeah he was born in the 40s

[lime plume]

Rotting flesh. Another reminder why I am being cremated.

[twilit sail]

but then we cant cast revivify on you

[hot marlin]

No. This is the only quotable part of that statement of Gygax. Everything else, in the same paragraph this sentence appeared in, is worse. So bad, in fact, that quoting it in this server may result in a ban.

[noble turtle]

’why do you hate gary gygax???’ ‘because gary gygax killed my grandma okay??’ (he was def sexist and racist and we dont like him)

/ref

[lime plume]

But can we agree we all love his game?

[twilit sail]

dnd first edition
women dont have charisma stats, they have beauty stats
and if their beauty is five or below and they succesfully charm a man, they kill themselves

[errant whale]

No I was dragged into d&d and have no escape

[hot marlin]

Oh, he also spoke positively of ethnic cleansing. Using historical genocide to defend ethnic cleansing in the fiction of D&D.

[halcyon forum]

except he said those things less than 50 years ago?

[jolly canyon]

So he's a time traveler. Crazy

[loud tendon]

lets keep things to D&D please

[twilit sail]

sorry yes

[hot marlin]

I suppose we would be better off moving on.

[lean wigeon]

im kobold

[twilit sail]

i cast polymorph

[lean wigeon]

i eat your character sheet

[twilit sail]

i cast hold person

[noble turtle]

omg

whatever will i do

[empty thicket]

i will use it to start the fire of my stove

[feral fulcrum]

I'm hoping that my group will be returning to regular sessions this Saturday, despite still being down our bard for the week.

[noble fable]

If you think he wasn't that bad, look up 1st edition rules for women in DND

Its a complete circus

[empty thicket]

Winner or looser, dead or alive. In either way they are going to end up in the flames.

[lean wigeon]

i thought we was moving on from this

[feral fulcrum]

Was it Gygax or someone else that was responsible for all the Leather and Whips and spiky bits plastered over every other bit of art in certain older editions of D&D?

[noble fable]

Oops, someone already mentioned part of it

[feral fulcrum]

Or was that just the typical style of the times?

[noble fable]

My bad

[lime plume]

So what's your opinion in playing D&D online? I've been thinking of trying it out. Not sure where to go for it though. My group only meets once a month so I sometimes get a craving to play.

[twilit sail]

i think it heavily depends on your group

like with regular dnd ig

[noble fable]

Heavily dependent on the people you meet. If everyone is as nice as possible, online DND is a dream. But like with every encounter on the internet, you run the full gamut.

Having formed a group with people I met on this server (originally 5 of us), we've had to kick out a mega creep, and one of our players is a no-show like 80% of the time due to IRL obligations eating into most of their time. But the other two players in the group are consistent and super nice

So yeah, you never know what you're gonna get with online groups

[shy stirrup]

These may all be obvious points, but online is easier to find and form tables, but internet randos require careful vetting and a stranger's voice on the line, an avatar, can be less committed than someone putting the effort to show up irl

[mighty pulsar]

What 😭

[twilit sail]

ill send you a video

[twilit sail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSvCP401kK0

[noble fable]

Heavy on this point. It can be a pain to do anything online with how many virtual gameplay services lock what feel like base features behind a paywall

[north vine]

A dude saw me on oneshot really enjoying a fighter, and now, when i asked in the another game has anyone made a martial yet, probably thinks i'm sone martial shill rn, considering from his words 😭

[lime plume]

What are some good sites to try it out for free?

[north vine]

Yeah, yeah, i get it, i turned your fight with small enemies into a bloody massacre all by myself, doesn't mean i, like, only play martials

[noble fable]

The whole "martial/caster divide" is such a dead horse that I'm numb to by now. Imagine having access to a game like DND and liking it, but instead of engaging with it in a way that sparks any joy in your life, you spend every breath you draw to bemoan the fate of martials

[idle oar]

You can find free online games in #looking-for-players and #looking-for-community

Just respond to a game posting in the thread attached to it or by direct messaging the game poster

[rough basalt]

The martial caster divide in 5e is mainly community enforced as well rather than system

[north vine]

B-bu-bu-but-but wizards can wish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rough basalt]

People wont run the rules as intended in ways that favor casters then wonder why their martials arent doing much

[empty thicket]

yep

[noble fable]

Technically, yeah it is community enforced, but the way combat drags out (player option overload) makes running multiple combats feel unfeasible in 5e

[barren badger]

I once played a level 20 one-shot as a fighter and i did FAR more damage than the casters in my group

[empty thicket]

i would say, compare classes in their category better

Martials, hybrids and casters.
Easier to understand, compare and enjoy

[rough basalt]

Thats a player issue not a system issue

[north vine]

I am exaggerating

[noble fable]

The MCD (I'm not typing out the divide) is actually more to do with out of combat gameplay than in-combat gameplay anyway

[rough basalt]

Ye 5.5 did better making more martials better at out of combat

But common ignoring rules also affects that

[barren badger]

Lol, yes. I was just sharing my experience

[empty thicket]

(Fighter with tactical mind got x10 better ngl)

[noble fable]

In what ways did martials get anymore utility? I feel like 5e and 5.5 still have like majority of martial features being purely combat based

[north vine]

Pathfi-

[empty thicket]

Add it a bard inspiration and is like, giga competent

[barren badger]

I love how raging makes barbies better at social encounters

[rough basalt]

Barb can rage out of combat and use rage for skills. Fighter gets second wind for checks. Ranger gets expertise.

[noble fable]

Actually huge

[feral fulcrum]

I would like to RAGE for my Cooking roll.

[north vine]

Ranger got expertise even before

[rough basalt]

Barb also gets rage charges back on SR to support this

[barren badger]

Gordon Ramsey enters the room

[north vine]

In Tasha

[empty thicket]

and other many things too

[barren badger]

I think rangers were already great out of combat

[empty thicket]

Yep

[noble fable]

Average restaurant chef demeanor

[north vine]

Sibling in higher power, you can rage for STEALTH

[barren badger]

Do you all think it's reasonable to run a lower-level planescape adventure?

Or do you all feel like that setting is primarily for higher tiers of play?

[north vine]

Russian series called "the kitchen"(we are very-very-very original)

[lime plume]

I'm playing a Drow Warlock now. But if he gets killed (heaven forbid) I think I'd like to roll an Elven Ranger.

[barren badger]

Legloas smiles upon you

[empty thicket]

how so?

like getting out of some planes and traveling through them?

[feral fulcrum]

lots of extra skills and even built in expertise. They were very much skill monkies with Tasha's.

[barren badger]

The setting is very Big Picture.

Like, i dont know if you could accomplish level 1-3 tasks in the city of Sigil

[north vine]

New ranger, kind of, just IS Tasha's

[lime plume]

Tasha?

[barren badger]

A supplement book for 5E

It added a lot of optional class features to "fix" some classes

[north vine]

Tasha's cauldron of everything

[noble fable]

Tasha's Cauldron of Everything, a rules expansion book (there are a lot of those out there)

[barren badger]

I'm actually really happy with how they incorporated a lot of optional features from tashas

[noble fable]

One of my favorite fixes is when a spell that seems super on theme for a certain class finally gets added to that class's spell list

[barren badger]

if only the Wildfire Druid could cast fireball....

[rough basalt]

New Ranger is just better Tashas yeah

[woven flint]

In their UA they could, but they changed it

Because WOTC hated 2014 druid

[noble fable]

i wouldn't go that far. Locking a lot of base Ranger features to relying on a level 1 concentration spell if certainly a choice of all time

[woven flint]

clearly

[inner silo]

whats the difference between nagas and yuan ti?

[rough basalt]

Just like how Tashas Ranger had everything useful behind Favored Foe which was a worse HM

[north vine]

Yeah. My favorite thing is the every feat having a stat up

[inner silo]

its only 2/3 features related to it

[woven flint]

Naga's are snake creatures that can become people
Yuan-ti are people that became snake-like

[inner silo]

thanks for explaining

[rough basalt]

Also HM you get several free casts of cause you're meant to use them in between other spells

[noble fable]

Yeah, its Ranger's Hex, but Warlock does not get features that only interact with Hex (except GOO subclass, which upgrades it to affect saving throws)

[rough basalt]

Warlock also has several other features that may only use once per day or spam in their invocations

[barren badger]

i think the UA warlock got a subclass that is built around hex

[noble fable]

Is it Hexblade but again?

[barren badger]

no

let me look it up

oh it was hexblade

[noble fable]

Neat. I'm not a fan of gish builds, but I am a fan of Hex because somehow Hex is acceptable to me while HM is not

So Hexblade being the "use Hex" subclass but also the "be gish" subclass didn't jive with me

[noble fable]

Ah

[rough basalt]

Even tho they effectively do the same thing in 99/100 scenarios but Hex does it worse.

[noble fable]

HM doesn't do anything out of combat

[rough basalt]

Unless you're a Goolock what are you using Hex out of combat on

[noble fable]

They have identical in combat effects, but Hex also affects enemy skill checks

Idk how Hex is the worse one to you, but to each his own

[rough basalt]

Enemies rolling skill checks is like the most niche thing.

[noble fable]

It is, but when the two spells are literally identical, save for that one aspect, and Hex has it, not sure how HM is the better spell

[barren badger]

it happens so rarely in my games

[hot marlin]

Yuan-ti are humanoids/monstrosities. They are humans and snakes, to different degrees depending on their caste going from "human with a few scales and sharp fangs" to "a mass of snake bodies ending in a giant snake head", and usually practice worship of a wide variety of ophidian gods.
Nagas are snakes with humanlike facial features, practice magic, and were created artificially long ago.

[rough basalt]

And if they're rolling perception against you, idk how they aren't hearing you cast the spell cause it's a verbal component spell

[noble fable]

Be a GOOlock

Enchantments are all subtle spells now

[rough basalt]

That's a specific Warlock to make it better and even then, it's still nicher

[hot marlin]

Really? I've had a great many sessions where enemies ended up rolling stealth, perception, insight, acrobatics and athletism

[noble fable]

I guess it is a niche effect, but blaster Warlock with EB is definitely not more niche than playing Ranger at all imo

[rough basalt]

So you'd have an enemy ignore someone casting hex on them in a social setting?

[noble fable]

And once EB is a multiple attacks in a single action cantrip, Hex looks like the better spell than HM simply by being attached to EB

[rough basalt]

Necrotic damage

[hot marlin]

What? Absolutely not

I simply expressed surprised that you do not have enemies roll skill checks often

[barren badger]

Yeah, i think EVERY subclass feature from Hexblade Patron (UA4 - 06.05.25) was built around the hex spell

[rough basalt]

I think I've only had an enemy use a skill check like once my Monday campaign

[noble fable]

Yippie... (sarcasm)

[rough basalt]

And if someone had hexed that Dragon without subtle, they would've got breath weaponed to start combat.

[barren badger]

Hexblade’s Curse. You can cast Hex without expending a spell slot a number of times equal to your Charisma modifier (minimum of once), and you regain all expended uses when you finish a Long Rest. When you cast Hex, a spectral weapon resembling your patron orbits the cursed target.

Hexblade’s Maneuvers. Once per turn, when you hit a target cursed by your Hex with an attack roll, you can cause one of these additional effects:

Draining Slash. The target makes a Constitution saving throw against your spell save DC. On a failed save, the target can’t make Opportunity Attacks and its Speed is halved until the start of your next turn.

Harrowing Blade. The target makes a Wisdom saving throw against your spell save DC. On a failed save, the next time the target makes an attack roll against a creature other than you before the start of your next turn, the target takes Necrotic damage equal to your Charisma modifier.

Stymying Mark. The target has Disadvantage on the next saving throw it makes before the start of your next turn.```

Stymying Mark could mayyybe good setup for another player

[rough basalt]

I like the look of that

[noble fable]

Stymying Mark is the best there for sure

[barren badger]

Your patron’s might allows you to drain vitality from those you curse, granting you the following benefits.

Hungering Hex. Whenever the target cursed by your Hex drops to 0 Hit Points, you regain Hit Points equal to 1d8 plus your Charisma modifier.

Inevitable Blade. Once per turn, if you make an attack roll against the target cursed by your Hex and miss, you can deal Necrotic damage to that creature equal to your Charisma modifier (minimum of 1 Necrotic damage).```

level six.... feels worse

[noble fable]

I do also like turning Hex into a non-spell slot consuming spell, because it opens you up to casting with a spell slot during your action

[idle oar]

Gentle reminder to not post paid/copyrighted content in whole - please just cite the relevant portion needed or paraphrase

[barren badger]

it does consume concentration though...

[barren badger]

Is UA material allowed to be posted?

[idle oar]

Oh - yes sorry!

[barren badger]

It's okay, thank you for the reminder regardless!

[noble fable]

Always a downside to Hex and HM, unfortunately. Good thing Warlock doesn't love using their concentration on big spells...

[idle oar]

It's a weird area where it's technically copyrighted but it's being playtested so...

[barren badger]

It is...

[rough basalt]

I think cause Warlock doesn't use conc all that much is why it's tied to Charisma mod per long rest

[barren badger]

it COULD be paid materiel in the future

[glossy otter]

So do we scream heresy or no scream heresy XD

[empty thicket]

hex? yeah

[noble fable]

What, no Warlock loves using their conc

[rough basalt]

Right I moreso meant they're not frequently dropping conc for other conc spells

[idle oar]

We scream "point them at the source documents please" but also some citing of them seems fine to me since it's meant to be publicly playtested.

[noble fable]

They don't have the spell slots to justify one-and-done spells, so they're usually better off casting conc spells to stretch the use out of their slots

[empty thicket]

Hex suffer almost like HM, not scale with level at all

[barren badger]

Your patron’s accursed might flows even more strongly through you, granting the following benefits.

Accursed Critical. Any attack roll you make against the target cursed by your Hex scores a Critical Hit on a roll of a 19 or 20 on the d20.

Infectious Hex. When you use one of your Hexblade’s Maneuvers, you can target one additional creature within 30 feet of the cursed target. The additional target takes 1d6 Necrotic damage.

Resilient Hex. Taking damage can’t break your Concentration on Hex.```

You do get these at 14 though

[noble fable]

Yeah, thankfully the humble EB exists to "scale" Hex

[glossy otter]

Touche. Pardon me, 40k Joke

[barren badger]

it like, does end up being a LOT of additional affects against the creature with afflicted with hex

i do like that they're called Hexblade "Maneuvers"

[empty thicket]

Kinda, sort of
I find it could be better for being an Only 1 class spell. Idk if other subclasses have it too but that

[rough basalt]

Ye they used some of Rangers Favored Foe design with it.

Making Hex unable to break conc later, and free uses without a spell slot

[barren badger]

I dont think ive seen the ability debuff come into play with hex though

[noble fable]

I also like that the UA Hexblade isn't nearly as focused on being a gish as Xanathar's hexblade was

[empty thicket]

the "ability" could be made better but i guess in some missions you can make someone worse at something and win or idk

[rough basalt]

Yeah I've never seen the ability debuff do anything

[glossy otter]

Btw I heard wind about this but I don't know if it's a true statement. Was it true there were rumours for potential collab books?

[barren badger]

Collabs with who?

[rough basalt]

I've seen it used more for people misunderstanding that it affects saving throws (by default)

[glossy otter]

Didn't say, just that it was interested in going a similar route with MTG with Universes Beyond

[empty thicket]

that i wont deny, isnt a bad idea.
Make it be bad or give you disadvantage in X save throw.
Call it STR, dext or many others

[barren badger]

i mean, dnd has kind of been doing that already. Rick and morty, stranger things, etc

[barren badger]

i think that would be a MASSIVE buff

Giving disadvantage in wisdom saves would be kind of crazy

[inner silo]

alrighty, thanks for explaining!

[empty thicket]

Instead of being... just "a skill debuffed"

[noble fable]

Unfortunately, that would eat into the GOOlock upgrade Hex feature and also just be an insanely OP buff for a level 1 spell

[rough basalt]

I think what they mean is just going full CoD/Fortnite.

[empty thicket]

Yep, its kidna the problem i would expect it to have

[glossy otter]

I mean fair, but not on the same level as most collabs have been just exclusive box sets. I think Critical Role and Aquisitions Incorporated are the closest we've seen to collab books outside of MTG

[empty thicket]

But still, "saving throws in skills" feel... too awful

[barren badger]

it wouldnt surprise me. Honestly, i wouldnt really care either. I could just ignore non-in-universe stuff

[rough basalt]

It's also Necrotic damage which is one of the common resist types.

[empty thicket]

maybe make higher cast = more skills idk
Unless the DM make it work in some shanenigans ways, the debuff part is ignored

[barren badger]

Necrotic in curse of strahd is rough

[empty thicket]

and upcast it for... oh look, i cursed you for +24 hours.

[glossy otter]

fair, as much as it's funny in MTG, I don't feel it'd work as well in dnd

[round vector]

It took 3 hours to actually get into a fight and my Fighter was immediately killed without ever making an attack

[noble fable]

I honestly don't think the debuff is that niche, I think its just not being utilized at all

[rough basalt]

Rangers when they can't be resisted by most of the enemies cause they removed non-mag BPS and HM uses force.

[barren badger]

Honestly, universes beyond has made me completely ignore magic

[rough basalt]

I ignore magic cause scalpers make any card game unappealing to get into.

[empty thicket]

Yep, just giga ignored.
But still feel, meh.

[rough basalt]

Except Yugioh since Yu-Gi-Oh just keeps printing cards.

[empty thicket]

Could be better

[inner silo]

what is scalpers?

[rough basalt]

So trying to scalp it just makes them lose money which is funny

[barren badger]

Does hex affect passive perception?

[glossy otter]

I enjoy it from time to time but agreed

[noble fable]

people who buy something then sell it at a massive markup

[rough basalt]

People who buy up all the stock of a limited product then resell it online for a severe markup

[inner silo]

ahh i see

[empty thicket]

people who try to get the "best cards" or "rarest" cards in things like pokemon, yu hi oh, etc. etc etc.

[rough basalt]

Basically they'll camp out stores for Pokémon card delivers

Throw kids out of the aisle so they can get ahold of the cards

[inner silo]

sounds pretty sad tbh

[empty thicket]

Yep.

[glossy otter]

The grognards on the MTG side of things. It's why I'm glad dnd has more of a niche

[empty thicket]

nope

just lets say, skills

[rough basalt]

They're typically Chaotic Evil Alignment. Some are Neutral Evil as a disguise but Chaotic Evil underneath.

[empty thicket]

acrobatics, athleticism, perception, etc. etc.

[topaz eagle]

Gng it's my second time playing as a player and for my friend it's his first time dming.
For some reason nobody got healing spells so we figured out it was a good idea to craft/buy healing pots.
What can we do to get money ? Like can we just buy a random shop and raise the prices ?

[noble fable]

More like lawful evil. Using the rules of commerce to earn a material gain

[rough basalt]

Like the reason the Steam Controller sold out in 30 minutes is cause they had thousands of bots to buy up all the controllers so they could sell them on Ebay

[noble fable]

Its not technically evil, but they operate by a code and are largely predictable

[barren badger]

I dont think dnd really has any collectibles. I know some people try to buy up the LGS exclusive books, but idk if thats really successful or profitiable

[empty thicket]

So, literally unless you curse the medic who use Medicine skill for heal the enemies.

[rough basalt]

Some are Chaotic Evil. You see them in the Pokefights videos.

[glossy otter]

reminds me of the time I panic bought some precons because they were at the MRSP value so I had a chance before they showed up

[empty thicket]

and not magic

[inner silo]

making a hex like trap that gives players disadvantage on stealth could be pretty cool imo

[rough basalt]

When they roll initiative for PvP over Pokémon and Magic cards.

It's pretty funny, but also sad cause actual fans can't get anything anymore

[glossy otter]

I'd just say it's not worth it and disengage

[empty thicket]

tat is the another thing. You can make enemis have it and is something interesting

[rough basalt]

Unless they pay like 60 bucks for a 20 buck pack of cards

[empty thicket]

Make X charcter suffer a curse, making him worse at X skill

[noble fable]

Honestly, healing isn't all that necessary unless you're aiming to play a grueling campaign that tests your resource management

[barren badger]

we should invent some sort of holographic disk that adults could use to play children's card games.

Perhaps if the adults lose, they get sent to another realm

[empty thicket]

that is something you can use like DM, but like player...

[rough basalt]

Be glad that the idea they had of making DnD 5e a Deckbuilder RPG didn't happen.

[empty thicket]

a part of me would had loved it ngl

[rough basalt]

Cause you'd be fighting with hordes of scalpers every Vorpal Weapons card drop.

[topaz eagle]

I'm scared he's not gonna balance the fights sooo

[glossy otter]

I'm glad the books don't get scalped

[empty thicket]

im a lover of things like Slay the spire and all that and would love a DnD online Deck building

[rough basalt]

Probably cause people already won't really pay for new DnD books

Let alone marked up prices

[inner silo]

i feel like making most things have online counterparts could make scalpers feel less bad

[glossy otter]

I just do it because it's been a tradition for over 6 years

[rough basalt]

Scalping certain card games works cause they won't make new ones.

[empty thicket]

yeah, i wont address the scalpers thing because is just people that rot something kinda nice.

[rough basalt]

And the actual buyers are collectors who will grumble and buy or parents of kids that just think these cards are expensive for some reason.

[inner silo]

especially when theyre much cheaper online

[glossy otter]

Another reason I like dnd in certain regards is because for the most part it's a one time purchase. After that you can use the content wherever you please

[inner silo]

they sound like they have sad lives

[barren badger]

There's a tabletop version of StS

[rough basalt]

They are sad people.

[glossy otter]

The only problem I have with dnd beyonds is because the print is always subject to change, and it's technically not yours, you just have a liscense to it

[barren badger]

They actually make decent money doing it. And I hate it for it.

[noble fable]

If you're worried about combat balance, you could always raise the suggestion to your dm that he stick to the CR rating for combat encounters. Its not perfect (its mostly player sided if everyone knows what they're doing), but matching CR to player level is considered in the rules to be the "fairest" way to ensure combat balance

[empty thicket]

i know, but i would like a card system for DnD.
The problem is how to make it properly

[barren badger]

May I ask why? Why not just play a different game instead of trying to force DND into another category?

[inner silo]

thats fair. But it also automatically gets connected to their other tools

[glossy otter]

That is fair. Mind this isn't me blasting Beyond, I enjoy it, just that purchasing books has been 50/50 for me

[inner silo]

thats pretty fair for the evil dm

[rough basalt]

I know there's been some push to illegalize it in the US like they did scalping tickets for events.

[glossy otter]

I think only twice have I really purchased books, once for the book of many things, the second for the 2024 PHB

[glossy otter]

wait, pardon?

[inner silo]

i got 2024 phb and mm

[empty thicket]

1. Can kinda see it work in some ways, would need time and testing
   2/ Oh look, 2 chocolate bars i love melted into one
   3-Deckbuilding games are funny but limited in some senses. The DnD freedom = strategy of building a proper deck make me think its good
   Maybe isnt
   4] If you reach to read this last one you are going to be turned into a plant.

[rough basalt]

In the US scalping tickets is illegal and I believe there's been some talks to illegalize scalping of commercial stuff. But I don't have anything concrete to site for that.

[noble fable]

Yeah, unless you like owning a physical copy (or playing on Beyond without them removing 90% of the content), there's no reason to buy books

[glossy otter]

I'll celebrate when that day comes

[noble fable]

You can look up every rule/feature online and use a character sheet pdf and then just roll dice on a tt sim

[glossy otter]

though I pray it comes to canada

[barren badger]

wait is melted chocolate bars good or bad? Because I think i would throw them away

[empty thicket]

you can melt 2 chocolate bars without problem one with another

Making like some sort of "blend", like white chocolate and black (70% cacao)

marbled better said

and there is fondiuo of chocolate too

And chose your plant bubble.

[barren badger]

I suppose, but sometimes when you try to mix things together, you get something worse than if you tried to make a new candy bar that took the best from each.

Idk, sometimes crossovers do well, but sometimes it just feels like im being sold a worse product that Im supposed to like because it has B R A N D on it

[ocean musk]

New player I'm helping get into the game is a rogue with 8 intelligience that took Magic Initiate Wizard

[empty thicket]

yep, the thing is finding out sooner or later about it

One cant know if something can work unless trying at the end of the day

[noble fable]

Man, that's so tragic. I'm involved in 2 campaigns every week and I'm still trying to find time (and a campaign that's open) to feed my fix

[ocean musk]

BUT its actually WOKE because he just took it to get summon familiar and dancing lights

[barren badger]

im not saying it would necessarily be bad, but its like when people try to play a cyberpunk game in dnd because they love dnd.

Instead of just playing the cyberpunk TTRPG

[hardy solstice]

LUCKY

[rough basalt]

Yeah I could see collabs like that happening.

That way they could prevent other systems from getting new players even more.

[noble fable]

My greed is truly biblical in my urge to play more dnd

[hardy solstice]

Trying to find willing DMs isn't possible in my city

[rough basalt]

Doing collabs with games with official ttrpgs.

[empty thicket]

Yep.
Still is something that i would need 2 "Special" persons to help me out ot make it work.
I can see it in some things and ways. Would need A LOT of time and balancing

[glossy otter]

I remember one person tried to emulate Little Nightmares into dnd, one of the few games I don't think works well in dnd

[rough basalt]

I think a lot of games won't work well in dnd.

[hardy solstice]

I do that for only the roleplay stuff

[rough basalt]

And its why a lot of them are always searching for new players

[noble fable]

How did they do it? Because I feel like majority of games can have their theme incorporated by a creative enough person

[barren badger]

I agree.

And idk if a lot of TTRPG competitors would license their brands to WOTC

[glossy otter]

Tbh I'm still exploring other ttrpgs like Transformers, Fallout and Cyberpunk

[hardy solstice]

Probably not

[rough basalt]

The systems I own are
Daggerheart
Shadowdark
5e
Fallout.

[hardy solstice]

But something is weird

[empty thicket]

I know its possible because i was seeing how deckbuilding games are improving and improving a lot
Aka, slay the spire 2 and Shroom and Gloom.
Can manipulate some stuff, numbers, etc. etc. and would work

[glossy otter]

the only problem is that dnd encompases both roleplay and combat, two things that are very little usuable in a world like little nightmares as most of the time you're running and hiding

[rough basalt]

I have content for PF2e, CoC 7th edition, and Draw Steel as well.

I think theres a limit between "creative enough" and stubborn while they're the same, there's a difference between fully functioning system and absolute Frankenstein that only works with constant repairing.

[empty thicket]

Yep

[hardy solstice]

I only own 5e (2014) and call of Cthulhu 7th I think the version is

[barren badger]

I think the shadowdark creator (Kelsey Dionne) actually started off making modules for dnd

I've played lancer which feels like, significantly different from dnd, Idk if they could go together

[rough basalt]

Lancer actually uses dnd 4e for its combat

[twilit ibex]

I will say, "survival horror" is a genre where the DM comes at the party with a nigh-unbeatable threat, and combat becomes more about escape or puzzle solving. It's very difficult to keep balanced and fun though. Definitely more adept DMing

[glossy otter]

Like Warhammer I could very loosely see working, but then again they have their own RPG system

[empty thicket]

and maybe i wont make whole DnD into a card game, maybe just combats

[barren badger]

(i'm trying to keep dnd involved in the discussion)

[rough basalt]

Horror in DnD is something that relies heavily on the dm

[barren badger]

yaeh, idk if the warhammer making company would license their content to a competitor

[rough basalt]

And on narrative rather than mechanics.

[hardy solstice]

How do I persuade someone to DM a story heavy campaign and enjoy it?

[rough basalt]

You can't persuade someone to enjoy something.

[barren badger]

idk if you can tbh. Thats a lot of work.

[rough basalt]

Story heavy games are a shitload of work.

[hardy solstice]

hypnosis and witchcraft

[barren badger]

why dont YOU dm it?

[rough basalt]

Yeah if you wanna play something, fastest way to do it is dm it.

[hardy solstice]

Hell no I am incapable

[rough basalt]

Then why would you try and make someone else do it

[hardy solstice]

Id rather esit

[barren badger]

how so?

Incapable or unwilling?

[rough basalt]

Unwilling

[hardy solstice]

Incapable

[rough basalt]

DMing is something anyone can try.

[glossy otter]

The more I've done research for stuff like horror in dnd, is it me or is the aftermath far more terrifying than the actual "Scary part"

[peak pecan]

You have ideas, don’t you? Then you can DM!

[twilit ibex]

Mostly a lot of prep work. Basically like writing a choose-your-own-adventure book and having to come to terms with the fact whole swathes of your work will go unseen because of player choices

[hardy solstice]

I tried many times

[rough basalt]

Then you try more

DMing is a skill only developed by doing.

[hardy solstice]

Yeah only of characters

[barren badger]

Play more
Fail more
Fail better

[hardy solstice]

I never wanted to DM anyways

[peak pecan]

Trying and failing does not a failure make.

[rough basalt]

Then shouldn't be trying to convince someone do a lot of work for you, but rather find someone who wants to run said game.

[hardy solstice]

That works too

[barren badger]

i would honestly feel guilty trying to convince someone to DM just so i could be a player

[peak pecan]

Those characters exist somewhere when you imagine them? That’s one step closer to writing stories, and that’s all DMing is.

[livid brook]

Orc or half orc for champion fighter. Can't decide between savage attacks and adrenaline rush

[ocean musk]

The only thing prohibiting me from DMing is just needing more practice with roleplay because I've only really played with mostly new players so i dont have heavy RP experience

[hardy solstice]

But I'm trying to find someone who isn't 30

[twilit ibex]

I didn't want to DM. I was very happy as a player. Then I got a sudden bug about how fun it is to watch players react to situations, and I realized I had left my cocoon and metamorph'd into a DM

[rough basalt]

You don't need to be good at RP to dm

[hardy solstice]

Okay it's a long story that I can't cover when there is all this moving text

[rough basalt]

You just need to be willing to in order to have a game come to life.

[ocean musk]

Yeah and I wouldn't settle for less in a game I ran tbh

[barren badger]

I truly believe that anyone can DM as long as

1. They put in the effort
2. They find a way of DMing that works for them
3. They have the time to DM

[hardy solstice]

I'm still in high school

[noble turtle]

she might be younger than 30 🤔

my query was answered it seems

[twilit ibex]

Being a player is fun though. It's nice to only have to keep track of one character

[peak pecan]

I was similar, in the sense that I heard my friends and YouTubers talk about their games and went “I could do better”. So I got a DM’s Guide, and boom! Here I am

[rough basalt]

I suggest running small games to get better at dming which getting better at rping is apart of.

[hardy solstice]

THANK YOU

[barren badger]

That makes sense. I am over 30 and I would not want to DM for someone in high school.

[barren badger]

I dont completely understand this arguement though....

[idle oar]

Similar age ranges = likely more shared cultural experiences/zeitgeist

[noble turtle]

not what i was getting at— for me its VERY weird to have an adult DMing with players (in high school in this hypothetical) .. thats my personal opinion though

[ocean musk]

Yeah I don't think its that crazy for people wanting to play with people that are like their peers??? What?

[barren badger]

I think someone who is 25 could play with someone who is 30 and it would be fine

[peak pecan]

Also, improved social comfort in being vulnerable, perhaps

[rough basalt]

Yeah, even tho I allow 18+ in my games, I do prefer people in my age range.

[glossy otter]

Agreed

[rough basalt]

That way I don't feel old when I reminisce about original Elder Scrolls Oblivion

[noble turtle]

i wasnt trying to make an argument— i understand how my message couldve been read in a sarcastic tone 😭😭

[hardy solstice]

What?

[twilit ibex]

Honesty I tell people that if they're the type of person who does voices when reading bedtime stories to children, they can DM. Enthusiasm is a lot of the work

[hardy solstice]

GREAT AESTHETIC I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE

[rough basalt]

I won't play with minors at all

[barren badger]

If i knew the person irl, i think it would be fine. But i do not have any interesting in socializing with a child that i met on the internet.

[noble turtle]

then by all means, you do you! we were just stating our opinion