dnd-discussion

[limber trail]

I mean I’ve played before with DMs who I’ve struggled to fully understand. There was one I played with who wouldn’t fully enunciate words, so it was hard to understand exactly what he meant.

What’s helped me immensely is just giving notes to players. I don’t write a recap of events or anything but i have a spelling channel where I post any proper nouns that come up. It just helps everyone.

[ionic hollow]

I'd say if your players behave this way, don't jump to thinking they're the problem, just something to work with, like: having shared HP pools, puzzle‑mechanics, immunities that rotate, and maybe bosses that punish solo play

You want a jelly bean?

[twilit sail]

you should hold exams at the end of every session
whoever gets below 60% is locked away in the basement until the next session

[paper portal]

Care for a jelly baby?

[craggy summit]

I kinda like that idea but with positive reinforcement instead of negative 😅 maybe give the players a potion or gold or a magic item depending on their score

[twilit sail]

like have a quiz npc?

like mr myxlplyx? a fourth breaking interdimensional entity who plays with you?

[ionic hollow]

Oh yeah

[hexed ravine]

hello hello!

[craggy summit]

A mighty quiz wizard who hands players a quiz paper and will give them rewards from his mysterious bag of holding prizes!

[ionic hollow]

Yeah, maybe if they get a certain percentage wrong, they are at disadvantage for the session, or a certain chunk of it. Less bad than locking them away, but makes it a pain to get through a battle.

[twilit sail]

oh i meant locking the player away irl

but that works too

[ionic hollow]

Ahhhh, in that case, that works.

A strat I use

[twilit sail]

players are little disposable toys you keep in your storage chest

[craggy summit]

As a DM, you kinda see your players as lil ants in your puzzle labyrinth sometimes

Or maybe that's just me, idk 🤔

[ionic hollow]

I feel like I need to make a CON save for the horror.

[hexed ravine]

this is so true, that or little rats for your expiriments

[twilit sail]

go on
roll

[ionic hollow]

Nat 1

[hexed ravine]

WHAT

[ionic hollow]

Instant death

[ionic hollow]

Yeah, that happens.

[hexed ravine]

my gif... : (

thats just cruel

[ionic hollow]

It went to a good cause.

Feeding the dragon.

[hexed ravine]

youre so right

the dragon is hungry

[ionic hollow]

[hexed ravine]

[vast saddle]

Is it true that Warforged is banned in many tables?

[hot gate]

Since it's a species from an expanded book (eberron), I suspect it's not uncommon that it's not allowed yeah.

[hot reef]

Indeed, it’s a setting specific race

[twilit sail]

yeah but hear me out they're as cool as uh

they're cool

[turbid vessel]

"they're cool" is a sufficient justification in as many tables as they're banned in, I reckon

Just gotta find the right GM

Or, decide if playing A warforged is your hill to die on. But, whoever said compromise is a good idea?

[hot reef]

I agree they’re cool (as seen in my name)
But a DM reserves the right to run their vision of fantasy

[turbid vessel]

Usually my screening for what's allowed in my fantasy is just asking the player "why"
Cause sometimes you get really thought out and humbling answers that give you a new perspective of fantasy

And sometimes you get people who wanna play a meme campaign

[twilit sail]

autobots roll out

[paper portal]

And sometimes it's the same person

[turbid vessel]

At that point I'd probably say Lancer would get you closer to a transformer style game than DnD

[thorn osprey]

Kinda what I am telling my current artificer who wants to be creative and create "whatever he wants" but I gave him the limit that he'll have to convince me that whatever he is making would actually fit into this world, and he actually can craft it/has materials for it

We'll see if my choice will backfire or not lol

[hot gate]

That's already quite a lot more than I would've recommended

[turbid vessel]

Just to make you a little scared: in real history, gunpowder predates rapiers

[hot gate]

Artificers, like all classes, have specific class features that tell them exactly what they can create, but unlike other classes DMs seem to be frequently convinced that they need to give them more.

[finite meteor]

I really wish I had other days off than Monday and Tuesday, I really doubt anyone would have games on those days

[twilit sail]

start the industrial revolution! build a colonial empire!

[thorn osprey]

I don't need to, but I've been allowing my players to have more fun with their characters during this one adventure so I don't mind having him in his own little sandbox + he did promise me that he'll draw illustrations of his creations! How can I say no?

[turbid vessel]

I had a game for a while on Monday evenings. It's not impossible

[hot gate]

If you trust your players, all my cautioning means nothing as long as yall have fun

[thorn osprey]

I'll be very stingy don't worry

[finite meteor]

Well hopefully I can find one

[turbid vessel]

The magnum opus of my groups "we'll make whatever we want" was stealing a Marut and inscribing a disk to get it to do our bidding for the final fight

Now, the steps it took to GET there? Maybe more than it was worth. But now we can say we stole a Marut

[hot gate]

Worth it for the flex, if nothing else!

[paper portal]

Depending on your timezone you might be able to find a group that does sunday sessions on monday

Perks of +11 lol

[finite meteor]

I’m in CST

[woven flint]

The greatest feats one of my characters has is killing a god then being a good father figure to it when it was reborn

Harengon Wizard Dad 🔥

[turbid vessel]

We spent an hour writing up a contract without any loopholes that would blow up in our face or cause it to go haywire

[twilit sail]

i thought fictional protagonists were obligated to be terrible parents

[woven flint]

Nope, he retired from the party to raise his two kids

Both a Dragons

One from the deck of mamy things

The other
A diety

He even used true polymorph to become a dragon as well

He prefers his Harengon form mostly though, so he often shape changes back to it

[arctic bobcat]

Anyone got a good chameleonfolk race? I dont want a super op one but just a fun one

Also simple enough to convice my dm to let me run it

[paper portal]

thri kreen!

Not exactly chameleons but their abilities pretty much all fit

[unborn bear]

solo leveling rpg
I'm working on a solo leveling campaign and was thinking about what system to use. Currently, my idea is to use the Marvel system with slight modifications. If anyone else has any ideas, please let me know

[twilit sail]

Are u going to aura farm in the middle of combat

[thorn osprey]

At which level would it be optimal to run the party against a Favored Young Dragon of Tiamat?

CR13 for those curious

[unborn bear]

no jinwoo just the hunter system itself my idea with using the marvel system is that I replaced the numbers with the letters S through E the players will go on quest to collect the Mana how I basically wanna do it is I want the game before Jinwoo awakens

That 10 year gap from when the gate opens to Jinwoo's awakening

So clarification the hunter system not Jinwo's system

[hot reef]

Depends on number of PCs

[dense nacelle]

Does abjurer wizards magic defense stack with resistances? So like if a fireball did 40 damage (lowball), you would halve it from succeeding in the saving throw (which you’d have advantage), halve it from fire res, and halve it from spell resistance?

Bringing it down to 5 damage in total

[thorn osprey]

4

[hot reef]

If they’re on full resources, 9 should find it pretty easy

8 would probably struggle if there’s a lot of breath recharging and they don’t position themselves well

[feral fulcrum]

You talking about their 14th level feature?

[dense nacelle]

Yes

[hot reef]

No, resistance doesn’t stack

[thorn osprey]

Have you seen the statblock for Tiamat's chosen? It's a pretty simple fight tbh

[feral fulcrum]

It depends on if Resistance is an actual Keyword or not now I suppose

[hot reef]

No, just basing it off other dragon stat blocks

[feral fulcrum]

But I'd presume that it doesn't stack, since it's Resistance, rather then something like saying Half-Damage, such as Evasion.

[dense nacelle]

If only more monster statblocks casted spells then abjurer would be actually crazy

[polar canopy]

Hiiii

[feral fulcrum]

Eh,that's more of a DM problem then a Monster problem

[polar canopy]

I am a newbie dungeonmaster who live in China,hello everyone!

[hot reef]

It kind of is a MM problem to have PC abilities that interact with spellcasting, then not having many spellcasting monsters

[timber turtle]

Would you rather have a drow

[hot reef]

They had to design the spellthief UA to interact with teammates

[feral fulcrum]

It really isn't. Because not every other squirrel should suddenly be capable of spellcasting just because youv'e got features in the game that do things when people cast spells.

[hot reef]

A lot of monsters have abilities which are certainly magical and spell-like, but not spells, making them not activate these abilities

[timber turtle]

You got to have a squirrel

[polar canopy]

Like mage

[thorn osprey]

I didn't mention this, but it's a young dragon(hence the 13)

but it's main damage abilities deal:
2d6+6(twice)
and
2d10+10 with a +3

and lastly the legendary attack of an AOE breath attack depending on which elemental head the dragon had, each breath costs 2 legendary actions so you can't cast it more than once per turn

the highest damage breath would be 33damage in a 60ft long / 5feet wide line

[feral fulcrum]

Correct, because that's how magic works in D&D, yes. Some things are innately magical, and do not interact in the way of things like Mortal Casters. But then again, you have things like Dragons, which do indeed, cast spells (Breath weapons notably not included here).

[hot reef]

Hmm, yeah if it isn’t a harsh dragon breath then it sounds pretty manageable for 8th level

[hot reef]

Indeed, mainly referring to things like 2024 mage

[empty burrow]

Can I make my female wolf fursona my character?

[feral fulcrum]

Up to your DM, not us

[empty burrow]

damn

[hot reef]

It’s also just as much a problem with the features that interact with enemy spellcasters

[empty burrow]

Is werewolf a race?

[thorn osprey]

I might even consider giving it a little boost in damage or giving the breaths side effects since it feels very empty

[feral fulcrum]

Werewolves are not playable by default, no

[empty burrow]

damn

[feral fulcrum]

There are however Shifters, and once strahd 2, vampire boogalloo drops, Lupines

[hot reef]

No, there’s the 3rd party class Bloodhunter with the subclass Order of the Lycan, and the Shifter race, which is Werecreature-lite

[polar canopy]

Ask dm

If me I would pass as lycanthrope

[dense nacelle]

If I cast dispel magic as an abjurer wizard as my bonus action and fail the skill check, can I then cast dispel magic as my action, since the spell slot for the bonus action wasn’t expended?

[feral fulcrum]

Shifters, RAW though, are basically jsut very hairy, ugly people, with the power to make themselves uglier for...minor benefits. I don't particuraly like their fluff.

[lavish flame]

The best you'll get starting out is something like a Shifter, which is a humanoid species that can assume animal bits. You can still get bitten by a Werewolf and become one, though. You run the risk of losing control of the character if this occurs.

[hot reef]

I think it’s partially just how 3.5e art was
FotA had a different interpretation, which is debatable

[empty burrow]

Is shifter in actual DND

[feral fulcrum]

Yes

[empty burrow]

ok

[dense nacelle]

Shifter is an actual dungeons and dragons race

[lavish flame]

yeah, they're from the Eberron setting and can be found across the many worlds D&D can take place in

[hot reef]

And they’re not really meant to look cute/attractive, so yeah they’re in a strange place in terms of looks

[dense nacelle]

I guess tabaxi exist

[feral fulcrum]

Are they originally from Eberon, or from a different setting?

[dense nacelle]

If you’re playing 2014

[hot reef]

Eberron

[humble cairn]

They don't have to be ugly?

[dense nacelle]

But tabaxi are more cat-like

[lavish flame]

They were an Eberron original

[idle bone]

Omg I love atot 🤤

[lavish flame]

they are also featured in MMM as a semi-Lycanthrope species option

[dense nacelle]

Bumping this because I really wanna know if it’s a funny I could do or a daydream

[jolly canyon]

I really dig the 2024 Shifter. I wanna play one eventually

[hot reef]

‘24 maybe, I don’t think so in ‘14 if it’s still considered casting the spell

[feral fulcrum]

Their written fluff text makes them sound like "Bigfoot, but X animal trait mixed in" Which doesn't scream "Typically atractive." But it's probably just writing fail in 5E. What little art I can find of them isn't all that bad...except for 3E

[empty burrow]

Can shifters have tails and be fully covered in fur? If so, I'll take that

[feral fulcrum]

3E makes them look like a Bugbear had a child with a goat.

[jolly canyon]

FotA art for them is cool impo

[hot reef]

They don’t as described, but you can ask your DM for adjustments

[feral fulcrum]

Fur wise, yes actually.

[empty burrow]

Close enough

[thorn osprey]

Do you think this could be a bit more challenging if I allow the dragon to do dragon breath twice per turn, but thus ridding himself of the legendary resistance for that turn?

[feral fulcrum]

Tails, probably not

[empty burrow]

But I like tails

[jolly canyon]

Flavor wise I'd say yes all day but if they wanted a mechanical benefit then that's a hard sell

[hot reef]

Certainly sounds more challenging, but does up its danger level/TPK chance quite a lot

[empty burrow]

I'm fine with cosmetic (and prefer it for convince)

[thorn osprey]

This is quite the encounter though, a very important moment in the story; That's why I am trying to make it more challenging

[hot reef]

They aren’t (or weren’t) depicted as attractive because they’re meant to be a group that’s discriminated against due to their bestial features

[empty burrow]

I don't care for any racial benefits

[thorn osprey]

And I plan on having the players get a second win con by trying to reach out to the dragon, as it was their former best friend

[hot reef]

It’s a deliberate choice to match the world of Eberron

[jolly canyon]

The lycnthrope war or whatever it was called I can't remember rn

[polar canopy]

Hmmm Tasha custom then??

[hot reef]

Lycanthropic Purge/Silver Crusade

[thick void]

Is it too late to decide to multiclass into Worlock?

My character is a lvl 3 Wild Magic Sorcerer (5E rules) and is well established We all know who I am. Though the DM hasn't gotten into tying our personal stories into the plot of the campaign yet, he has been
hinted that it's going to come soon. He's even said about my character, "I know what I'm going to do with you. I'm still working on the other guys".
I know having a Worlock adds more work for the DM, what with having to work with me build and roll play a patron and all. And I know, if I ask him he'll say yes, even if it means he has to throw away everything he's planned for me. And I don't want him to do that.

Do people who want to multiclass have that plan and announced from the start?

[paper portal]

Generally yeah but it's almost never a bad idea to take warlock levels as a sorc

[empty burrow]

is there a google doc or something with stuff to make a DND character? I can't find any apps that include shifters

[paper portal]

https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/5E_CharacterSheet_Fillable.pdf

[thick void]

Oh, I agree. I'm thinking strictly about the story and work for the DM. On paper, the Sorlock is great.

I'm thinking 5 levels of Sorcerer, to get those lvl 3 spells, then 3 levels of Worlock.

[paper portal]

Sounds good

[humble cairn]

Shifters are not a species that is available for free, so you have to buy access to that for the character creator.

[small sapphire]

Hello, I must ask the specialists, because even AI cant help with it. Is there any way I can homebrew Arcane Trickster with full wizard spell slots and spell level progression? Like No matter what I do, ticked “Level” in “Spell Prepared Type”, or tried to grant the Spellcasting feature at level 1. It just doesnt seem to work and the “Extra magical Arcane trickster” I am making is still just a ⅓ of a wizard.

[rough basalt]

its because its not meant to be a wizard

its meant to be a magical rogue

[hot gate]

I assume you're talking specifically in the context of the DDBeyond homebrew tools? If so, #ddb-support might help.

But it's well possible that this is just something that isn't supported

[rough basalt]

if thats what you're talking about, I think full classes/modifications arent supported by the current homebrew tools

[halcyon reef]

anyone knows a good 6-8H lvl 1-2 scenario ?

[fair goblet]

Death at Sunset from the Dragon Delves anthology

[stray sage]

Which gem dragon would you say is the most shy and timid?

[ornate copper]

Mostly the homebrew tools I’ll check with DDB support thanks

[vast saddle]

I feel sad now

I think my fondness robots have gone too deep

[noble pine]

Are the monster sprite copyrighted?

[vast saddle]

Are you talking about Warforged?

[noble pine]

They look like fairy

[novel ridge]

Hi has anyone here heard of a novel call Wings of Fire?

[vast saddle]

What kind of warforged do you have in mind?

There is no fairy-sized warforged

[noble pine]

It's called a Sprite

[noble pine]

I haven't

[void crown]

the dragonet prophecy?

[vast saddle]

Sprite is a living creature....Warforged...is a machine

[void crown]

sprite is a fey creature from European mythology

[vast saddle]

Do you know the Golden Army from Hellboy 2? That's the finest example of Warforged

[void crown]

what about automata from greek myth?

especially Talos

[atomic kayak]

Warforged aren't "just" machines - they are living beings

[vast saddle]

How? They're handmade by finest spellcasters for the need of war

[atomic kayak]

Thats not how they are made

They are essentially birthed by an eldritch machine

[vast saddle]

Then...how some warforged...emotionless?

[atomic kayak]

They aren't really?

[fair summit]

So are some humans and other creatures🤷

[atomic kayak]

Also exactly: what does being a living being have to do with being "emotionless"

[vast saddle]

Following orders of whoever they follow without question until they question everything

[atomic kayak]

Thats not true though

[fair summit]

I think you're applying some assumptions as to what warforged are like based on robots, that just isn't mentioned anywhere in the books

[atomic kayak]

It sounds like you have an idea of warforged that isn't very founded in what they are. Warforged are from Eberron, they don't have any real lore outside of it. What you are describing isn't accurate to them

[still plover]

I could recommend a species: Vulcan.

[noble pine]

I was asking about Sprite but are warforge copyrighted

[vast saddle]

Have they collaborated with Star Trek? I can only recall LOTR and Rick & Morty

I understand Vulcan. Logic over emotion unless you're mixed-blooded like Spock

[still plover]

-# Indeed, it is like talking with genies at times.

Think I've hit on something. You're ascribing personality traits to an entire type of folk. You don't have to. You can make your personality however you like. A ruthless and pragmatic minded wood elf. A dispassionate and rational halfling.

Even a wildly enthusiastic warforged.

[vast saddle]

But...wrong personality will make me a heel

If it's an open roleplay

And you know what the heel is associated with? Bad guys in wrestling

[novel ridge]

Yes

[void crown]

just been relistening to the entire first series due to the new one that is coming out

[still plover]

Inconsistent characterisation might. Acting against other characters might.

If you're in a group that says all dwarves are Scottish alcoholics, all elves are flighty and arrogant, and all halflings are cheeky gourmands - you're in a bad group.

[limber trail]

I don’t agree with that at all, you are under no obligation to play a species according to stereotype

[last flume]

Warforged have free will, personality and possibly a Soul

also they are made of a mix of organic and inorganic materials like wood and metal

I'd call them Golems or Constructs over the term machine

[crimson gulch]

And even trauma from the war

[stray sage]

Which gem dragon would you say is the most shy and timid?

[dense nacelle]

Is there anything to stop a high-level abjurer wizard from just spamming dispel magic while outside of combat to be safe?

If you fail to dispel anything you don’t expend the spell slot

[eager marsh]

Not really no.

[dense nacelle]

Cool

[eager marsh]

It’s basically the same thing as 2014 abjuration wizard taking the eldritch adept feat for at will Mage armor to always refresh the ward

Just later in level

[keen valve]

Any individual is capable of being shy or timid, you just have to traumatise or raise them in a way that would allow for that to be their instinct.

I think the thought proccess here should less be What is typically shy and timid and more so choosing something and then reasoning out why they're shy and timid.

[dense nacelle]

I’m more-so thinking of it as like, casting it to dispel everything just in case

Chest might be trapped? Cast dispel magic.

Wall might be trapped? Dispel magic.

[still plover]

Any but sapphire and crystal, going by the FR wiki. But a dragon should always have their own personality.

[stray sage]

i suppose it would be better to ask "what species of gem dragon is TYPICALLY the most timid?"

[keen valve]

What about Topaz or maybe Amethyst?

Topaz can be pretty closed iirc, and disinterested in outside interaction, which can lead to a personality that looks far inward enough that it causes a paranoia of those who aren't them. And I'm sure you could reason out an Amethyst coming to the "logical" conclusion that in order to be optimal they have to be isolated and away from anything that could even present itself as a threat.

[spare robin]

deep breaths

[stray sage]

my first thought was emerald because they are so incredibly antisocial. They will make Rube Goldberg machines of death in their lairs just to avoid talking to people.

[keen valve]

"Let's say, hypothetically, I am approached by a group of adventurers. Adventurers either flirt or kill dragons. I am very strong, but am delicate to the idea of conflict. I am also extremely anxious when it comes to emotional exploratio as I am a logical being without capability, no matter how much I blush. Thus, when it comes to adventurers, who may kill or flirt with me, I sould flee." - Amethyst Dragon.

[keen valve]

Antisocial is not shy and timid.

Antisocial is an outward hostility to social interaction, which conflicts with shyness and being timid.

That may be me, maybe you could be hostile to society whilst also lacking conviction and being awkward near others.

I just wouldn't assosciate it with antisocialness.

[torpid hound]

Barbarian be like "yeah dude I'm a tank" when they have 17 AC and all attack rolls have advantage on then

[crimson gulch]

Yeah and they are still really hard to kill with rage and their other abilities

[torpid hound]

Remember, the best way to survive is to not get hit

[crimson gulch]

Sure, but Also keeping yourself from dying by any means nessisary also does that, while crushing your foes

I have killed zero barbarians this year out of 29 pc kills

6 active currently across my games

[limber trail]

Barbarians rule because even in spite of being hit, you just can’t take em down. So much health, so much damage

[glad ferry]

Good morning peoples!

[stone monolith]

Hi!

[reef tundra]

Good morning!

[glad ferry]

Barbarians are my favorite class to

[stone monolith]

I'm new here and to DnD, so a bit clueless

[reef tundra]

In that case welcome! Both to the server and to the hobby!

[vast saddle]

So.....DnD collab with Star Trek....never happens, right?

[reef tundra]

For any questions you have, either here or #dnd-newcomers are ready to answer!

[stone monolith]

Okay, thanks!

[vast saddle]

Instead...we got freaking Rick & Morty

[reef tundra]

Would you be mad if I mentioned their Star Wars dnd game system? /lhj

[woven flint]

Salutations, everyone :>

[vast saddle]

Not at all

[reef tundra]

Salutations, Tokii

[vast saddle]

Still mad about Rick & Morty, tho. I heard it was the worst

[woven flint]

Friend :]

[reef tundra]

I almost called you Goofy for a moment just now. Like the dog

[glad ferry]

Some love it. Me personally no

[woven flint]

I am goofy..
Like the dog

[vast saddle]

Rick and Morty?

[reef tundra]

I’m a cat person. I must put you down

[glad ferry]

Yup yup caleron

[woven flint]

Looks af my pfp

[glad ferry]

Cats ate my favorite. Love my orange tabby

[reef tundra]

You’re goofy disguised as a cat. Impostor

[glad ferry]

Even if he only had 1 brain cell

[woven flint]

I'm a Goofy Tokii

[viral kraken]

gorsh

[woven flint]

Gawrsh!

[glad ferry]

A fun one shot i think would be is make a hat filled with characters from games or shows and people have yo make a character based off of them

[stone monolith]

Oh Gawd

[stone monolith]

Imagine, a character based off of Harvey Spectre

[glad ferry]

Batman villians

[woven flint]

Random, but funny:
I played a Sahuagin (Think fiendish shark people) Artificer during a oneshot, he removed a halfling ladies curse and went to fight and kill the monster that cursed her because the group was hunting it anyway
He and the Halfling lady ended up going on a date and getting together afterwards lol

So..
A Big Shark Fella
And
A pint-sized like.. 2 foot tall halfling woman go on a date

[reef tundra]

One of my characters is constantly compared to the joker :(

[woven flint]

The Jonkler

[reef tundra]

Match made in.... the sea

[glad ferry]

What chaos did your character cause

[unkempt comet]

I come back from the shadows

It has been a whole goddamn year since I've been here

How is everyone :3

[woven flint]

I'm putting you back in the Shadows!

[viral kraken]

doing alright

[unkempt comet]

NOOOO-

[reef tundra]

Not much!
-# Destroyed a police station, swore vengeance against society, actively works to break down the rules of society or break others free from it. Also she killed a shopkeeper because he reminded her of her father

Now that I think about it, the joker allegations might be valid

[stone monolith]

😅

[unkempt comet]

I had a very good idea for a great campaign and I wanted to see the opinions of some of you here

[reef tundra]

She's not even that chaotic, her actions are. Normally she's chill

[reef tundra]

Fire away!

[unkempt comet]

Just 2 words

[stone monolith]

I think that validates the accusations?

[unkempt comet]

Adventure time

[reef tundra]

Sold

[glad ferry]

Sounds like a lot of fun. Chaotic when she wants to ne then

[unkempt comet]

Tyty

[reef tundra]

Perhaps

[unkempt comet]

Bro I wanna make this campaign the most ridiculous mushrooms trippy campaign ever lol

[reef tundra]

The feywild sounds like the perfect place for it

[stone monolith]

Okay, this has me lost a bit, the feywild?

[past blaze]

the plane of the fey

[unkempt comet]

I just kinda wanted to make it as close to Ooo as possible

[reef tundra]

The dimension where all fey creatures originate from, a magical land of beautiful endless magic forests

[woven flint]

:3

[past blaze]

Like how the shadowfell is the plane of gloomy shadowy depression

[unkempt comet]

:3

[woven flint]

We love the Land of Ooo

[harsh hinge]

Maybe you'll wanna keep tabs on when this releases then: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/adventure-time-the-roleplaying-game/description

[unkempt comet]

FLOOP THE PIG-

[glad ferry]

Pc's passed into pixie territory. To get out they have to drink a concoction and then make it out alive or else they'll be killed or die there

[viral kraken]

was a fun game

[unkempt comet]

Oooo

[harsh hinge]

No, not Oooo. Ooo!

[viral kraken]

i take an AoO

[unkempt comet]

Omg this sounds cool af

[unkempt comet]

LOL

[woven flint]

Floop the pig

[unkempt comet]

Now my question is.. should we include dimensional travel

[woven flint]

Yeah

[unkempt comet]

Yk make the enchiridion a findable object

[woven flint]

It's pretty easy to introduce planar travel

[unkempt comet]

Well obviously it should be

[unkempt comet]

Truuue..

We could use a green wizard to connect to the heart like in Fionna and cake

Or maybe something else

Idk

[glad ferry]

I think a tarrasque would be so much fun to use, yet as a player terrible to face

[unkempt comet]

Lots of things to think about

[woven flint]

Green Wizar

[unkempt comet]

Who here would actually be willing to join me?

I don't really have anyone else tbh

[glad ferry]

How do you plan to do it?

[reef tundra]

I'm sure there'd be plenty! Especially lots in #looking-for-dm or you can post an ad in #looking-for-players

[glad ferry]

I'd love to do more dnd if my schedule actually allowed it

[reef tundra]

Same here

[unkempt comet]

Honestly using DND beyond and owlbear for the map

Since this is gonna be an adventure time thing, honestly we would have to make the entire thing homebrew

[limber trail]

I might be in an interesting spot where honestly, I don't think I'd want to play more DnD even if I could

I play the right amount

[glad ferry]

One of my characters honestly has a friend on the enemies side which is also how he gets information while also he has a promise to help the king remove the the stones that are causing issues to the kingdom and trying to get his wizard companion back. He's planning to do a ritual to get them back by taking half of the affliction they have, give fealty to a goddess and if it works go from berserker barnarian to zealot barbarian

[glad ferry]

I just havny been able to play lately because of my schedule

[woven flint]

KNOME

[timber turtle]

why isnt every npc the dm makes a pansexual that would bang you if you did a few thing they liked in bg3? Is my DM stupid?

[limber trail]

togi

[reef tundra]

Not every dungeon master is comfortable with being flirted by and romanced with players

[glad ferry]

What if your character is a werehuman and turns into a human on a full moon

[timber turtle]

so you need a dm thats horned up for you?

[reef tundra]

No you just need a DM who is comfortable with it

[stone monolith]

I mean, I'm new to the game so I don't know much but I'd be interested.

[reef tundra]

But also not every single NPC in that world would be willing to date your character, like real life

Even if you "did a few things they liked"

[twilit sail]

Roll to seduce the dm

[twilit ibex]

I usually leave romance to players. As DM, you're every NPC, every monster, every Warlock patron, and every deity. Asking your DM to also RP a romance is asking a lot.

[glad ferry]

If someone made a character that only goes after married npc

[humble cairn]

I get why this is true, but I think it's very weird that in our society we have an easy time roleplaying violence and a hard time roleplaying romance.

[woven flint]

Me when my main dm is straight 😔

Though, my DM also has gay npc's

[reef tundra]

I take boundaries very seriously when it comes to romance and similar stuff. If the DM or a player is not comfortable with doing romance RP, then the discussion ends there

[glad ferry]

I judg have a hard time talking in general

[twilit ibex]

That's between players and their DM. Personally, I don't play DnD for romance plot lines.

[woven flint]

My Goliath Elements Monk is currently dating one of his reoccurring npcs, a Nightmare Shepherd from the Theos ...

They're gay

[humble cairn]

Oh yeah of course, this is something to be discussed at Session 0 and respected as an iron clad rule.

[woven flint]

A Lawful Good and Chaotic Evil couple lmao

[twilit ibex]

Like...if a player starts pushing romance plot lines on other players and my NPCs, consistently? After being told to stop? They're gone.

[humble cairn]

Yeah and I understand that, but I think the fact that romance plots are seen as weird and uncomfortable, but killing people isn't, is in itself weird and disturbing.

[humble cairn]

Of course!

[reef tundra]

To be fair, one happens a lot more in our regular lives while the other doesn't (or shouldn't)

[glad ferry]

Opposites attract. Just imagine a lawful good paladin or cleric and a lawful evil

[humble cairn]

.. true, but how is that "being fair?"

[twilit ibex]

I don't read that deep into it. I just recognize people use DnD for escapism, and part of escapism is engaging in fantasy battles with dragons. I try not to judge people because they choose to shoot fireballs instead of hugging and kissing.

[reef tundra]

As in, not calling it weird or disturbing

[woven flint]

My Goliaths husband works for Orcus because he's under comtract, but he's trying to find a way to break the comtract for his husband so they can live together more peacefully

[humble cairn]

I'm not judging individual people about this, I'm judging people as a whole, as in society.

[reef tundra]

I have never been killed before, so I do not mind roleplaying a dying NPC, but I have absolutely had certain events happen to me that make me need to take boundaries very seriously when romance roleplaying

[woven flint]

That being said, his husband is indeed a fiend

[reef tundra]

So I do not find it strange

[glad ferry]

Spamming fireball and eldritch blast is a love language

[twilit ibex]

The acceptance of violence and the disdain for adult romance is a societal issue I prefer not to tackle at my table.

[twilit sail]

I think players should take violence more seriously instead of casually murdering and torturing

It is the medieval era right i get that

But sometimes its a little much

[viral kraken]

a lot of players do take violence seriosly i feel like, tho that might just be my tables

[stone monolith]

I think a comedic table is best? I mean, that's what got me interested into getting in DnD

[twilit ibex]

I personally find it odd that so many real world issues keep finding their way to the table.

[humble cairn]

But plenty of people have experienced violence. And for it to be such an accepted norm as a plot device I think says something about society.

[keen valve]

The people of the medieval era were extremely conscious of their behaviours, actually.

[twilit sail]

Wdym? Like the story takes place in ukraine

[glad ferry]

I prefer talking before if possible. Many scenarios have different outcomes. Though it also depends on the character im running to

[humble cairn]

Playing pretend is how humans deal with real world issues.

[keen valve]

The seriousness of a game should always be declared in the inititation of it, and advertisement of it to players.

[twilit sail]

Tru

[keen valve]

I love coming out with the most milk toast average answers.

[viral kraken]

milquetoast

[stone monolith]

That's a word?

[humble cairn]

I'm not saying people must have any specific topic (romance or violence) in their games, I'm just saying that the deep discomfort people have with plots involving other emotions besides anger, killing, and violence is a weird thing about society.

[keen valve]

Yes, it is, not what I meant though.
I was referring to the literal dish.

[twilit ibex]

My players come to my table to escape the sucky parts of life. The greyness of morality, societal issues, etc. I don't judge people for having those things in their game, but I do think it's odd to expect people to reject escapism and take part in philosophical exercises created using DnD mechanics.

[twilit sail]

I read "coming out" and I thought this was going to be an interesting post

But no youre evil and boring

[glad ferry]

I just love the game and making characters to play as

[stone monolith]

Damn okay my diction is outdated

[twilit sail]

I like playing nice boys 🖤

[humble cairn]

That's not what I've been saying at all? I fully like escapism and fantasy, I just don't know why the default norm is fantasy violence rather than fantasy romance or something else.

[twilit sail]

I mean its called dungeons and dragons

Not dates and dragons

[twilit ibex]

...because the game has mechanics about fighting monsters, not kissing.

[humble cairn]

Yes, and that default for the game says something about us as people.

[keen valve]

If you need mechanics to figure out how to kiss, we have a whole new issue.

[twilit ibex]

I think it says that we like swords, spells, and dragons.

[humble cairn]

And violence

[glad ferry]

Romance the bbeg and become theyre lover. Turn on the team!

[stone monolith]

There are mechanics?

[keen valve]

Actually, this is a part of all things that's impossible to escape. As much as we would like to believe we are above certain things dependent on what we take part in, it will almost always reflect something deeper about ourselves.

[viral kraken]

if i had to guess why it is easier for dms to run violence stories instead of romance stories is that a monster who is there to be fought doesn't have to occupy much of the dm's mind, or occupy it for very long, but romance almost by definition means the target will be a persistent part of the story, so much more to think about

[twilit ibex]

I prefer not to read that deep and leave my silly hobby a silly hobby.

[keen valve]

That's fair.

[humble cairn]

You are as free to not think deeply as I am free to think deeply and comment about it here.

[glad ferry]

Look at all the pc you've made. Theres a aspect of you in there as you make it wven if some are more extreme or mundane

[twilit sail]

The bbeg is one of the pcs exs

[keen valve]

Ooh! Drama. I love that.

Make them roll if they try to kiss and make up.

[fossil hollow]

isnt there supposed to e 7 of them

[keen valve]

WOAH 7 exes?!

[humble cairn]

I mean, possibly, but that fact that "kill it and then we don't have to think about it anymore" is fundamentally odd because violence does have lasting impacts on both the victims and the perpetrators. It could just as easily be thought provoking and indepth as romance, but .. we as a society are very cavalier about it.

[glad ferry]

How did the breakup happen?

[twilit sail]

Scott pilgrim

[twilit ibex]

My experience with Jungian psychology, the insight I've gained from years of working with people who had deep-seated issues, I am very aware that some things get deep. I just choose to let blessed simplicity exist.

[fossil hollow]

-# that was indeed what i was referencing

[keen valve]

It saddenns me I never got into tumblr core stuff when I was younger, so that I might understand this.

[twilit sail]

I think typically how id write it out is smthn the pc did to give it that sweet sweet angst of knowing that its partially their fault

[viral kraken]

ya i guess that is why my party have overcome about half of the combat encounters set before them without resorting to violence

but i also have some things that are not moral patients or moral agents for them to beat up on, like liquidmetal assassin robot things

[glad ferry]

The pc is the reason they became a bbeg

[twilit sail]

Exactly

[glad ferry]

Theres some scenarios fighting is the only option, and others you can talk or make deals. Just all depends on personalities and what they do

[twilit ibex]

I try to remember the player who tried to redeem Asmodeus and ended up getting his face ripped off. Conversation can go pretty far, but when you're dealing with an actual crossroads devil, you're probably not going to convince him to swap alignments.

[glad ferry]

Would be spicy lol. Imagine having to explain to the party what they did to cause them to become what the bbeg is now

[humble cairn]

Don't get me wrong, I love to just play a rock'em sock'em adventure game and take down enemies, loot treasure and all that myself. But I also like to think about TTRPGs as an artform in my free time, and what they say and mean to us as humans and part of our very human urge to be creative.

[keen valve]

I always thought literal devils in a setting were kind of boring. The aesthetic is cool, don't get me wrong, but unequivocal baddies just kind of bores me.

[twilit ibex]

To each their own. I enjoy a world where good and evil are tangible forces instead of concepts decided by your point of view.

A lot less complicated

[viral kraken]

i think the main reason i don't have romance with the npcs at my table is just because i am aro/ace myself, and i am just not great at trying to shift gears into that mindset on the fly. i will probably keep getting better at it until such point as i can do it on the fly and can run that in my games, but it just doesn't come naturally to me.

[keen valve]

Off-topic. Myb.

[keen valve]

I don't think anyone should be forced to do romance ina game. I've never seen romance in a game myself tbh.

The closest I've ever come is the fact that my one fey-warlock's husband was his patron.

[glad ferry]

Thats why we play dnd. Different scenarios for different issues and fixes. Its what makes it fun overall. Depending on what the pc do and the personalities of them and the other person will decide outcomes. Theres somw you cant reason with. Just as it is in real world

[twilit ibex]

I don't think my preference for traditional fantasy is low brow or lacking in depth. I simply like fantasy worlds with bad guys and good guys.

[viral kraken]

well it's not like i am anti-romance, i just don't live in that headspace enough to be able to roleplay it on demand (yet)

[glad ferry]

Whats always fun is when the bad guys are actually better than the good guys

[keen valve]

You can't really classify anything as lacking in depth, unless they do the absolute bare minimum.
"Kill these guys."
"... why?"
"Just do it."

[glad ferry]

Murder hobos

[north vine]

Another player: i think i gonna make wis/dex barbarian
Me: dex? You do know a lot of barbarian's abilities specifically require you to use strength for your attacks, right?
This player: well, dm told us there will not be a lot of fighting here

[twilit ibex]

Oh, the best villains see themselves as heroes. The closer the BBEG is to the party, the more fun it is.

[keen valve]

Honestly, yeah I get it.

Though you gotta approach the DM with your intent.

Otherwise you're just stunting yourself w/o reason.

[keen valve]

That's fair.

Tbh, the only way I could imagine doing romance is by having an NPC just bluntly going "You are attractive. Do you reciprocate."

[twilit ibex]

I let my players do as they please, romance-wise. I just refuse to play an NPC that a player has fallen in love with. I don't feel like having to flirt with my players on top of all my other responsibilities.

[glad ferry]

No one says you cant romance while others don't. I dont care if others want to. For some romance is as it says. For others its fireball

[viral kraken]

ya seems perfectly reasonable

[keen valve]

You could always off hand an NPC to another player, or split up the work your doing with players.

[twilit ibex]

OR I can leave that boundary where it is.

[keen valve]

I know it's not typical D&D, but it's a method I've learned from other TTRPGs about better managing what you have to do as a GM.

[keen valve]

That too.

I thought I was understanding it as "It's too much responsibility" not "I am uncomfortable with it."

[viral kraken]

hand over the npc to the person romancing them and then the npc suddenly can't stop complimenting the pc

[keen valve]

That's a possibility, which is why you need a player you can trust to take care of things.

TTRPGs are a lot of faith working, yk?

[glad ferry]

Depending on who you hand them off to. Im a scenario based and to the character I dont care about if the other doesn't like it if they do something they woudlnt like

[twilit ibex]

To be clear, in my upcoming campaign I am DMing, the group is my girlfriend's friend circle. While I'm uncomfortable to begin with, I really don't want to pretend flirt with my gf's friends in front of her. Just feels off

[keen valve]

Alright, that's alright.

-# Approved by the milquetoast answers society.

In any case, I am going now, goodbye.

[twilit ibex]

In my opinion, people aren't creatively violent enough.

Sure, you can make a melee attack. Why not roll to jump on the monster's back and stab it in the back of the head?

Get wild.

[glad ferry]

Roll for athletics then attack

[twilit ibex]

Then roll a Nat 1 and bungle headfirst into the monster, doing Bludgeoning damage to yourself and it.

[viral kraken]

i think that a lot of players take solace in the clinical nature of "it loses X hp" over "you slash its flesh brutally, spraying gore across the area". makes it easier to stomach

[twilit ibex]

Oh totally. I have a player who can't stand the description of eye injuries ever since she lost her actual eye in an accident. Totally understand that

[glad ferry]

I like details when neccessary. Final kills on bbeg or big moments. Otherwise it becomes mundane if everything is epic

[viral kraken]

you know, that might be a contributor to what Ophidimancer was talking about too, people may not be really thinking about what they are actually doing in the game world when they are doing violence, instead might be looking at it like numbers in a video game

[viral kraken]

eye violence gets me too, i can't replace those if i lose one! (tho i still have both mine for now)

[glad ferry]

I think through what im doing when making actions and consequences. A good dm will add those into it to make players realize what actions can come with. Especially those that just do stuff thinking it'd all good. Can make you lose important allies. A dm can also change your alignment depending on what you do

[twilit ibex]

I think the video game mindset is very dangerous.

[viral kraken]

i think it is very easy to disabuse people of in dnd tho, just add consequences

[fierce scaffold]

are any of you familiar with the Drakkenheim campaign setting

[twilit ibex]

I've run into people who think the point of the game is "beating the DM, collecting loot, and attaining power for the sake of power." It's generally not the best

[glad ferry]

Its a collaboration of dm and players neither are your enemy nor ally. Its a balance of roles

[viral kraken]

idk how someone would beat a dm, they are literally everything but the party

literally the fabric of reality

i guess that is why dnd is not an adversarial game

[glad ferry]

Plus a dm job is to create a challenge for the players. Personally I dont care if theres chances of pc dying. If it happens it happens

[twilit ibex]

Because the DM is "all of the bad guys," some see the DM as "the bad guy."

[twilit sail]

Pfft beating the dm is easy

There are five of you and one of them

[twilit ibex]

One of you gets on your knees behind the DM, then someone pushes them. Boom, DM defeated

[twilit sail]

I prefer a +1 baseball bat myself

[viral kraken]

that's why i play online, makes it harder for the players to get line of effect to me

[glad ferry]

A + 2 cast iron frying pan

[gentle pilot]

my friend uses a soulknife rogue with +2 throwing damage from fighter dips. Which weapon could he possibly use when he already has the psychic knives?

We are lv 8 now and he still hasnt have any attuned weapon yet

[twilit ibex]

My party's Barbarian has a Lunar frying pan. It fries eggs and does extra damage under moonlight

[glad ferry]

Just get the tavern brawler fewt then you have proficiency in improvised weapons from most evrrybting

[cerulean monolith]

I don’t allow players to insert more ‘things’ they can do into their turn, because it just makes them arbitrarily more powerful, even if it’s reliant on a check. But I do allow use of the Improvise action, even if most of my players are hesitant to make use of it.

In one campaign I was in, the DM introduced a mechanic he called “Fancy Fighting”, which was that we could come up with crazy things for our characters to do based on existing abilities, at no extra cost except that we all understood it was to be used for powerful story beats. It worked because the group knew each other really well and led to some awesome moments, like the monk tackling miniboss through a wooden wall.

[glad ferry]

That's fantastic lol

[glad ferry]

You could always give a bbeg multiple initiatives depending on whst it is

[humble cairn]

Soulknife doesn't benefit very well from magic weapons, so better take defensive or utility items.

Soulknife is also not a Damage subclass it is a Utility subclass.

[twilit ibex]

I played a Champion Fighter and would ask to do things like jump through doorways that another player was blocking, or throw a weapon that wasn't a throwing weapon. The DM let me make basic d20 rolls, no modifiers, to decide it.

It was a grand time, and the whole party found it hilarious

Mostly because I kept succeeding on the rolls

Smacked a giant mosquito off the Battlemaster Fighter Goliath's back by throwing my scimitar at it. How hilarious that would have been if that roll went poorly.

[gentle pilot]

what kinda utility?

[humble cairn]

Utility = out of combat soltions to problems, so I mean that's a braod area. Just don't take telepathy items since you already have that utility.

[torpid hound]

Throwback to when I looked up "DnD Sarenrae" to find out who the goddess Pike from Critical Role worships is
... She's from PathFinder

[gentle pilot]

how can we make soulknife a damage dealer?

[eager marsh]

by playing a soulknife. done

[torpid hound]

That's literally an Athletics check and an Improvised Weapon attack roll WDYM no modifiers

[small heath]

Question: how would a combination of Antimagic Field and Hallow work if both is casted onto an undead entity?

Are they basically in an unescapable 10ft sphere due to Antimagic Field with the Hallow barrier around it?

[eager marsh]

no? Anti-Magic Field is always centered on caster you cant lock it to a point

if the undead casts it, or is the center, AMF moves with them. Hallow has no effect on them

[viral kraken]

what is animating the undead? is it magic?

[small heath]

a creature with a lichdom transformation

[eager marsh]

A Lich for example could cast AMF. they can gleefully walk through Hallow uneffected

[small heath]

I'm trying to conjure up ways to counter it

[viral kraken]

oh nice, is that out now? i am excited to see the finished product!

[eager marsh]

you dont

[small heath]

It's a grim hallow content that I'm a part of

the campaign

[viral kraken]

oh i was thinking of that evil ua

[eager marsh]

if you dont want the lich to walk away try grappling. granted thats generally a bad time. their melee attacks as of 2024 are brutal

[fossil hollow]

especially Paralyzing Touch

PT on you, then follow up with several Eldritch Bursts? Thats a shit ton of Force damage

[small heath]

note this is a lichdom transformtion character, not a lich stat block.

[eager marsh]

if you failed to counterspell the AMF, it's generally going to be very difficult to actually make the AMF end since they have damage resistances

Being a character doesnt matter here for AMF's interaction with Hallow but AMF is concentration if you need it dropped

why do you need to counter another(?) player?

[small heath]

My character is a paranoid cleric who's being surrounded by a bunch of people with a transformation where he's practically the only "undead" and is being forced to work with the group because of a bigger matter at hand and he needs them.

However I am having him taking the Batman approach of contingency plans that he's going to be preparing in case one of them go rogue.

[fossil hollow]

also, probably a better topic for #third-party

[small heath]

I'll continue it there. THanks.

[eager marsh]

short answer is you literally cannot out-contingency a wizard. if you pop Hallow on them, assuming they didnt counterspell you, AMF will let them just leave

them failing the save against your turn undead (if they are undead type) is unironically your most effective weapon to start but wisdom saves are usually high on wizards

[small heath]

the DM allowed for other approached 3rd party content. In this case, they're not a wizard. They're a circle of dragon aasimar druid (Griffin's part 2 has that subclass)

[eager marsh]

then they wont have access to AMF or a way to escape AMF unless they wildshape into a beast (no longer undead type)

[small heath]

We can talk in the third party one if you wanna continue and I can give into more context

[small heath]

My cleric can.

[eager marsh]

You casting AMF isnt helpful if you want to use Hallow tho

it locks you out of your own magic too

[knotty vine]

I wonder if we are gonna get any races outside of thri kreen plasmoid and centaur that kinda break the mold of humanoid

[eager marsh]

Warforged are constructs

[viral kraken]

don't the ones with wings have 6 limbs too?

[fossil hollow]

Arent those not Humanoid

[knotty vine]

I meant size wise

Not size shape wise

[viral kraken]

oh i see

[knotty vine]

Pretty much can a race changling cant copy

[fossil hollow]

? Thrikreen have been medium for a while

[knotty vine]

REread what I meant

[fossil hollow]

.

[fossil hollow]

.

[eager marsh]

they're all medium...?

[knotty vine]

I meant like

[viral kraken]

centaurs aren't large? huh. never had a player play one yet

[knotty vine]

There odd shape

[fossil hollow]

So. The exact reverse of what you are saying

[small heath]

Well... wouldn't 2024 Circle Magic using the Distribute action of it remove this problem?

[knotty vine]

Im gonna start tweaking

[small heath]

Since now other people can concentrate on AMF even if they don't know the spell as long as they have a spell slot.

[eager marsh]

No? The primary caster is still the center point of AMF

[knotty vine]

I meant races that a changeling wouldnt be able to copy

[eager marsh]

Distribute doesnt help you bypass that

[fossil hollow]

yeah. Which is by shape, not by size

[knotty vine]

I said shape not size

[fossil hollow]

.

[cedar bane]

i get what youre saying

[modest marlin]

Guys I have a question. Can you make your own abilities or powers in D&D or do you have to use the abilities that are available in the D&D universe lore?

[fossil hollow]

you might want to reread your own posts

[knotty vine]

I meant shape not size

[fossil hollow]

There are official rules

[fossil hollow]

So again. The reverse of what you said before

[eager marsh]

you did specifically say 'sizewise' at first to be fair

[knotty vine]

Cause I forgot what shape was

[modest marlin]

So I cannot create any unique spell using my own imagination?

[fossil hollow]

you would have to ask your DM to approve and work with you to use it

[eager marsh]

technically you can. That's Homebrew at requires DM permission

[modest marlin]

Oh I see.

[knotty vine]

Hollow purple

[modest marlin]

So it depends on the DM ultimately.

[fossil hollow]

yes

[modest marlin]

That's actually less strict that I thought.

[knotty vine]

Depends on how strict your dm is

[modest marlin]

I actually love those kinds of spells where you summon something like a temple or a statue that looks majestic and grants you powerful magical abilities. A wizard archetype might even be something that lets you learn that.

[knotty vine]

Thats already somewhat a thing

[modest marlin]

That's a thing in the lore?

[cedar bane]

like a totem? theres a couple of aura spells and guardian of faith, but im not sure if theres too many of those

[limber trail]

(To be clear plenty of DMs will still be strict and not allow it, or point you towards the generally higher level spells that do that)

[cedar bane]

the new ua warlock is kind of like that

[modest marlin]

Totem?

[cedar bane]

putting a thing down that being near buffs you

[knotty vine]

The new warlock sucks

[fossil hollow]

thats a take

[limber trail]

There’s some higher level spells like guards and wards, temple of the gods, demiplane, etc but those have longer casting times or aren’t as effective

[modest marlin]

Not totem. Kindoff like a Temple/Statue.

[fossil hollow]

flavor is free

[modest marlin]

Imagine a beautiful Buddhist temple.

[cedar bane]

totem as in just the mechanical name, you would flavour it as whatever

[knotty vine]

Look me in my eyes and tell me that the elemetal warlock is good

[modest marlin]

Oh yes then.

[cedar bane]

yeah a lot of them are more long term

[fossil hollow]

oh. Youre talking about the subclass. #1496929332956889161

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[cedar bane]

oh yeah 2024 warlock in general is great

[knotty vine]

Which are you talking about?

[fossil hollow]

warlock

[modest marlin]

I actually love mixing Asian elements with European elements.

[fossil hollow]

Like you said.

Just warlock

[cedar bane]

they thought you meant warlock in general, like the 5.5 version

[knotty vine]

I was refering to the person who was talking about the UA warlock

[cedar bane]

aka the "new" warlock

[knotty vine]

That can summon a mote

[modest marlin]

How many types of warlocks you can make?

[knotty vine]

That does 1d6 damage

[fossil hollow]

I know about the Elemental Warlock.

[modest marlin]

Combinations

[knotty vine]

Its so really bad

[fossil hollow]

Your mansplaining here. I thought you were talking about warlock in general

[cedar bane]

subclasses? idk at this point

around 9 off the top of my head?

[modest marlin]

By combination I mean the subtypes of warlocks.

[fossil hollow]

Theres several warlock subclasses

[cedar bane]

not including ua

[modest marlin]

Yeah, but how many?

[cedar bane]

fiend, fey, genie, undead, undeath, fathomless, great old one and some more im not remembering

[limber trail]

Celestial and hexblade are the other ones iirc

[fossil hollow]

Fiend, Genie, Undead, Undying, Fathomless, Great Old One, Archfey, Hexblade off the top of my head. So at least 8

Oh yeah, 9 with Celestial

[cedar bane]

yeah those

ua has some in rotation (like the aforementioned primordial) but those are the official

[limber trail]

Those nine are the ones which you can reasonably expect to be allowed to play in a game yeah

[fossil hollow]

also, knome, why do you own paladins

[cedar bane]

god forbid a man has something to his name

[thin silo]

Fav dnd game?

[severe rampart]

Curse of Strahd

[limber trail]

They’re mine

I politely asked

And invented several thousand paladins

[fossil hollow]

tsk tsk, after all that talk about the goblins maybe selling slaves

[cedar bane]

isnt there like only 8 (now 6) on the circle

[limber trail]

Yeah there’s still like

The orders

[limber trail]

I never commented on it

[still plover]

The other thing about warlocks is their invocations. Adds a lot to the possibility space.

[limber trail]

That’s projection

[fossil hollow]

Did you not?

[limber trail]

No that was mostly Artanza

[fossil hollow]

oh ic

[limber trail]

And William to a lesser extent

I mean Hokrun isn’t cool with it but that’s not a fight I fought in session

[modest marlin]

Guys, which set of colors do you use when you design your character?

[cedar bane]

i prefer monochrome colours

[modest marlin]

Oh

[modest marlin]

So only one color in different shades?

[cedar bane]

no like greys/blacks/whites

[modest marlin]

Oh I see

[cedar bane]

dull colours basically

[modest marlin]

Yeah I understand now.

Pale and dull colours

[modest marlin]

Do you want to give your character a gloomy or weary personality?

[still plover]

Depends on the character for me. They present according to their own whims and preferences.

[modest marlin]

Hmm I see.

[cedar bane]

why is it red

[cedar bane]

you mean like colour theory? not particularly, i just like darker colours. it changes though depending on certain stuff

oh it didnt send

[modest marlin]

Oh I see.

That's actually refreshing.

[modest marlin]

I am thinking about making a character. I want to give him a very calm, extremely kind/soft-hearted, humble, introverted, and stoic personality.

[cedar bane]

cool tones then, probably a light blue

[harsh kraken]

That feels blue to me but do whatever you want

[severe rampart]

Honestly, I feel like that's brown, grey and white

[cedar bane]

true

[severe rampart]

You can portray that through any kind of color

You're not bound by the colors you wear

[fossil hollow]

yeah, this aint MTG

[cedar bane]

yeah you dont have to

[modest marlin]

Yeah a mixture of this three colours (for outfit):

1. Cobalt blue
2. Navy Blue
3. Burgundy/dark cool-toned red

And his hair will be dark raven black.

[cedar bane]

but it can be cool as a base

[fossil hollow]

color scheme alone is also just one of the many parts of character design

[severe rampart]

Eh, you can be evil and wear blue, you can be good and wear red lmao

that is true

[cedar bane]

i knew the sky was evil

[fossil hollow]

You mean water, right? stares at Team Aqua

[modest marlin]

Red has many shades. It depends on the shade of red too.

Burgundy or dark cool-toned red suits a calm and gentle character.

[severe rampart]

It doesn't matter what shade you wear lmao

[eager marsh]

Team Magma was correct, Pokemon glabal map is mostly water

[modest marlin]

Scarlet red suits an extroverted character.

[cedar bane]

water is evil too. shoutout the sun though yellow has never done me wrong

[severe rampart]

a deep crimson red can be worn by a good character

[cedar bane]

you arent restricted by colour theory, though you can use it to portray things

its not a definitive

[harsh kraken]

idk if you look at him too closely he blinds you

[severe rampart]

Maybe they're wearing a crimson red to contrast their personality, see?

a soft and gentle one

[fossil hollow]

Archie might be stupid, but Max is a moron

[modest marlin]

Yeah, ofcourse it actually doesn't matter (logically) cause we human beings ultimately give meaning to colours lol. I am just giving my personal opinion.

[hushed temple]

Hi guys im new

[cedar bane]

thats my fault for not having strong enough eyes

[severe rampart]

Too much water. 7.8/10.

[cedar bane]

welcome

[eager marsh]

Archie aint even stupid. The results just went a tad...overboard. But Max doesn't even have a logic to his madness

[cedar bane]

groudon made that review

[severe rampart]

Groudon is the goat, Max is an idiot though

[modest marlin]

You know which colour-combo looks best on a cyberpunky/ speedster type character? Bright cyan hair and lemon yellow outfit.

[fossil hollow]

If Lucy and David had a kid

[eager marsh]

Groudon was correct. Groudon fights that fraud Kyogre to a draw while having every disadvantage mind you

[stone monolith]

Hello!

[cedar bane]

actually its red because i ran into the wall too fast and broke my nose

[severe rampart]

I'm not sure if it's "the best"

[harsh kraken]

red rush moment

[modest marlin]

Hello!

[severe rampart]

there is no definitive "best"

Red is good. Yellow is good. Blue is good.

[modest marlin]

Not objectively best. It's subjective.

[knotty vine]

I am the best

[stone monolith]

Neon sky blue with bright purple?

[cedar bane]

this is an objective truth

[severe rampart]

Maybe say that with the sentence?

[modest marlin]

Bright purple works too 🤔

[knotty vine]

Exactly

[harsh kraken]

agree

[modest marlin]

Mb 😅

[knotty vine]

There a crit roll subclass of monk that gets 2 reactions

I might cry

[modest marlin]

A mixture of olive green and vivid scarlet red suits a pyrokenesis user... Like a flame witch/wizard.

[harsh kraken]

crit roll will always be crit roll

pay them no heed

[hushed temple]

Hiii

[hushed temple]

Hiii

[modest marlin]

I heard nobody plays the monk role. Is it true?

[hushed temple]

How do i start or like join a party?

[severe rampart]

Heresy

[harsh kraken]

in 2014 yes, in 2024, definitely not

[knotty vine]

Once per turn, if you’ve already taken your reaction, you may spend 1 Focus Point to take an additional reaction. You can use only one reaction per triggering effect.

[severe rampart]

2024 Monk is awesome.

[hexed ravine]

#looking-for-players

[modest marlin]

So Monk role got a buff?

[fossil hollow]

false

[knotty vine]

Huge

[harsh kraken]

huge huge buff

[modest marlin]

Oh thank God.

[stone monolith]

You can join the look for players group

[harsh kraken]

well actually lots of little buffs but that was enough

[modest marlin]

I would love to create a wizard+monk archetype character.

[harsh kraken]

wizard monk is rly cool but probably difficult to pull off

[hushed temple]

Ohhh thank uu

[knotty vine]

What slow said

[harsh kraken]

very M.A.D. build

[modest marlin]

Hmm

[knotty vine]

Since you gotta focus on 4 stats

[harsh kraken]

dex, con, int, and wis

[knotty vine]

Granted if you take only buff spells

Then it might be good

[harsh kraken]

the closest i’ve ever done to monk wizard was magic initiate with silvery barbs

[modest marlin]

Which class is out of meta now then?

[knotty vine]

I usually only take ASI

Ranger(still)

Thats about it

[modest marlin]

Oh ranger

Makes sense.

[knotty vine]

Every other class can be really good with the right build

[idle oar]

I will recommend folks take character discussions to #character-discussion or #optimization (depending on focus) as those are more specific to character build discussions.

[modest marlin]

Ranger is kindoff like a mixture of marksman+assassin+mage right? Atleast on base level.

[knotty vine]

One thing I thought that was cool is that wizards of the coast Non-officially Acknowledge Warlock as a weird half caster

[eager marsh]

access to 9th lv magic at the same rate as other full casters
half caster?

[knotty vine]

Yeah weird right

They were pretty much talking about how they wanted the half-caster spell lists to be more exclusive (paladin, warlock, and ranger), which is why stuff like Magic Initiate and Bard's Magical Secrets was changed.

[eager marsh]

i dont consider that admitting warlock is a half caster. they just wanted people to stop stealing Eldritch Blast

[knotty vine]

True

Again I said Non-officially and it could have been a mispoke

Granted full caster/half caster isnt Offical language in dnd to begin with

[eager marsh]

still waiting for the half caster paladin equivalent...duskblade my beloved

[austere reef]

My DM told me someone dies next chapter and it’s either the GF of my friend or our party’s sorcerer.

[knotty vine]

DUSK BLADE

Whats your GF

My moneys on the sorcerer

[stiff rock]

i'm surprised your DM plans ahead for killing people lol

my money is also on the sorcerer

[knotty vine]

Unless hes a dragon sorcerer they are decently hard to kill

[eager marsh]

5e fears the power of Channel Spell

[fossil hollow]

One green and a colorless?

[eager marsh]

Yes

[knotty vine]

Goated south park ref

🐦 🏀 caught that ref

I cant wait to turn into a giant crab

Why is AM in the dnd discord

[warm meadow]

Yeah, this change seems quite logical

[knotty vine]

even tho they some what lied since you can get a few spells from the paladin and ranger list still from dragon mark feats

[rough basalt]

I think the caveat there is that the dragonmark feats are designed for Eberron games

[eager marsh]

and are a locked origin feat

can't take it after lv 1 barring unusual circumstances

[rough basalt]

New Bard can also take a lot of other spells from lists

[knotty vine]

stares at battle smith getting Conjure Barrage

[rough basalt]

since you can switch them out now

[eager marsh]

battle smith is a half caster the same as ranger so its not like old bard stealing half caster exclusives and just being better than the base classes

[knotty vine]

Doubt we will be seeing anymore of that

[rough basalt]

Artificers spell list in general is a mixup of all casters

[warm meadow]

Yeah, that's a fair point. It feels a bit inconsistent

[knotty vine]

Granted it does also get Banishing Smite so

Kinda funny

[eager marsh]

artificer dosnt get conjure barrage any faster than ranger does which is why its fine

[rough basalt]

Artificer is just that way

[rough basalt]

this too

Lore bards getting find greater steed for a flying mount at level 7 while paladins had to use a normal one was the issue

or all bards getting banishing smite at level 10

[knotty vine]

Banishing smite was pretty funny on a valor bard

[eager marsh]

bard stealing Swift Quiver or Holy Weapon and just being a better ranger/paladin than either was a plage of 2014 yes

[knotty vine]

What did holy weapon do again

[tribal geode]

my tiefling rogue bard died because they couldn't rogue enough

[rough basalt]

basically made your attacks into standard smites damage wise

and you could end conc for a blinding explosion for 5d8

[knotty vine]

Got damn

[rough basalt]

I took it on a sword bard and yeah it was dumb

[eager marsh]

Bard stealing greater steed and Tenser's transformation (stacked to the steed) was infamously a legal way for the bard to solo Tyranny of Dragons Tiamat

[rough basalt]

The eberron dragonmarks aren't as egregious imo

Mark of Passage getting find steed at 3 when paladins get it at 5 isnt that bad

[knotty vine]

Tenser's trnasformation is a great spell

[eager marsh]

i wish it was actually good for bladesingers

[rough basalt]

or Mark of Making getting conjure barrage 4 levels before Ranger

[knotty vine]

Blade singers is bleh

But there great

[rough basalt]

that ones on the edge, but not quite as bad as level 10 bard with swift squiver, holy weapon, banishing smite ect.

[knotty vine]

Not qutie the gish I want

[eager marsh]

WotC! Answer my wish! I'll give you my soul for a 5e Duskblade base class!

nothing in 5e is the gish i want. they all feel too weak in one half or the other

[rough basalt]

I wanna play a bard again

[severe rampart]

Do it, listen to the voices

[knotty vine]

I want a sorcerer gish

[rough basalt]

No game to play it in

[knotty vine]

Its not fair that every other caster has a gish but sorcerer

[eager marsh]

Bard's greedy ass has three

[knotty vine]

I know

its stupid but bard has always been as spoiled as wizard and cleric

[half igloo]

Can I put a Blood elemental inside of a bag of holding and feed it until it fills the bags 500 pound limit?

[knotty vine]

wouldnt it suffocate?

[half igloo]

its not an air elemental

[knotty vine]

Still

[eager marsh]

Wotc: Oh we dont want to make subclasses that are too similar across classes that's why we wont make a Draconic Warlock Patron

Also WotC: So here's Celestial Warlock and Celestial Sorcerer. And here's bard having two sword and armor martial subclasses

[knotty vine]

Theres nothing that impiles it doesnt need to breathe

[half igloo]

does it need to breathe?

[knotty vine]

If it doesnt say "doesnt need to breathe" on the stat block then yes

[eager marsh]

everything needs to breathe unless stated otherwise explicitly in their stat block/description

[half igloo]

no exhaustion or incapacitation condition implies it doesnt need to breathe since suffocation gives you exhaustion does it not?

[eager marsh]

thats not how that works actually

[knotty vine]

How is it immune to exhastion

[rough basalt]

I thought no draconic warlock was cause Dragons arent outer plane or unnatural beings

[knotty vine]

Sounds like homebrew

[half igloo]

thats what the stat block says lol

it has a condition immunity to it

its from official dnd 2014 so...

its based on the water elemental stat block

[thin silo]

Wait what ch is Immune to exsaustion

[knotty vine]

Im getting nothing about blood elelmental but yes elementals are immune to exhastion

[half igloo]

blood elemental (basically a water elemental reskin)

[eager marsh]

I dont believe that's a logical argument. Dragon's are a powerful entity able to bestow power. They're famous for it even. And vastly outrank many celestial warlock example patrons even

[half igloo]

its just a water elemental reskin

[undone rain]

Same, even fighter gets a gish subclass

[thin silo]

Ill stick to the water one

[knotty vine]

I guess you could but what stops it from just.. leaving

[half igloo]

my dm just used the water elemental stat block and turned on a filter to turn the token red

[eager marsh]

technically there arent rules for a creature leaving a bag of holding at all. especially if it's closed

[rough basalt]

Maybe they should get their grind up then

[knotty vine]

Yeah thats what I mean

[half igloo]

true but can it escape from the inisde if the only thing holding it back is me opening the bag?

[rough basalt]

Imagine not being a patron

[thin silo]

W H A T did she do to my phone

[knotty vine]

If a fey can give me power a dragon can

[thin silo]

I can't anymore

[knotty vine]

If a UNDEAD can give me power Im pretty damn sure a dragon can

[eager marsh]

If a cr 2 unicorn can give me warlock magic, an ancient dragon damn well can

[rough basalt]

a Fey is an outer plane being, therefore it has the feat available to become a patron

[twilit sail]

Can my patron be the dm

[knotty vine]

undead undying?

[rough basalt]

Dragons didnt optimize their character creation to have patron tag

[twilit sail]

When i sacrifice things for the dm i buy snacks for sessions irl

[eager marsh]

Dragon's are also the namesake of the game and are famously so deeply infused with magic that every part of their body can be a magic item and them dying creates magic infested zones like a dead kreaken (who can also be patrons)

[half igloo]

thats an expensive patron

[eager marsh]

Krakens are also native to the material plane

[knotty vine]

gift of the dragon feats are right there 😭

[rough basalt]

Maybe its cause people don't use dragons in current dnd unless its for aura points

[knotty vine]

Gift of the gem metal and chromo dragon feats

[eager marsh]

My dragonborn monk, with 3 dragon kills marked on his belt says hello

[knotty vine]

From fizbans

[rough basalt]

You got a dm that broke free of the mold

[knotty vine]

my monk who killed 3 anicent dragons

[twilit sail]

Can a level 20 human sorcerer be your patron

[severe rampart]

if they're powerful enough

[knotty vine]

I mean sorcerer king patron was in UA so yeah

[rough basalt]

Sorcerer-Kings aren't people anymore

[eager marsh]

I've killed a red shadow dragon wyrmling, (my fire resistance at lv 1 was why that fight was winnable for the party), an ancient green when we were in the Feywild at higher levels, and i boxed a blue dracolich after that and he didnt even bloody me. on our way to fight the same dracolich soon after they've been super powered up by a nether scroll for months

[knotty vine]

Still

[rough basalt]

They're monsters that used to be people, like Sammaster

[knotty vine]

they are native to our world

[rough basalt]

Thats true

[knotty vine]

and they are strong enough to make a pact with

[eager marsh]

being an ascendant dragon monk adds even more flavor to it

[rough basalt]

But in order to become patron worthy they destroyed a planet

[eager marsh]

Basically there's not a real valid argument against a Dragon Patron Warlock Subclass. WotC are just cowards

[rough basalt]

not just hit level 20

[knotty vine]

I still think its wild that Ghost In The Machine is UA

I mean if they new villian options come out

[rough basalt]

True, I'm just bored

[eager marsh]

hi bored, I'm Ryu

[knotty vine]

And you become a Lich by level 14

[rough basalt]

Hi Ryu, I'm Dad

[eager marsh]

Nice try I dont have a dad

[severe rampart]

Doesn't Bahamut count?

[rough basalt]

12 iirc

[knotty vine]

Are you strong enough to make a pact with at that point

Cause you also count as undead

[rough basalt]

I mean what power are you giving someone

[knotty vine]

The power to cast eldritch blast (undead or undying)

Cause you are undead and undying

[rough basalt]

How? Where's your "bestow warlock powers feature" PC?

[fickle field]

Aye, what's good DND chat?

[eager marsh]

Not a single creature has a feature for that, even the ones named as examples in worlock descriptions

[knotty vine]

Yeah no creature has that feature

[rough basalt]

Ye but they're monsters not PCs

[eager marsh]

irrelevant

[knotty vine]

But you are also a monster in a way

[eager marsh]

stat blocks only do what they say. you cant one way the argument

[knotty vine]

You are a lich now

[rough basalt]

Relevant, PCs abide by different rules.

[fickle field]

So, what are we discussing about?

[knotty vine]

If a lich PC can make someone a warlock

I think they can

[rough basalt]

I think if they intended for that to be allowed, itd be in the features.

[fickle field]

Oooooo, ok. Uhhhhhhhhh, I would say it depends on the power of the Lich in question.

[eager marsh]

Anything making someone a warlock is DM discretion. Even your patron chosen as a player is DM permitted

[uncut zenith]

Smh at no Greatwyrm patron in Fizban’s

[knotty vine]

True

[fickle field]

I like the heart emojis you got in your name.

[knotty vine]

So what stops a undead/lich PC from making somebody a warlock

[uncut zenith]

Thanks

[eager marsh]

I was genuinely disapointed. Drakenwarden was literally just Beast Master premium. It was practically a redundant subclass.

[rough basalt]

It was a ranger sub

It's what it gets for being ranger - old wotc team

[fickle field]

Hey, no problem g.

[knotty vine]

Beast master prem is the best way to talk about Drake warden

[void crown]

i wish at the very least they could have their drake out more instead of it last for an hour idea or something

[severe rampart]

My players just reached level 6 I can finally use spellcasters that have 9th level spells for them to fight

[knotty vine]

Ascendant Dragon monk was really fun

[eager marsh]

there isn't a time limit on the drake what are you talking about?

[severe rampart]

I enjoy draconic subclasses

[eager marsh]

It's extremely fun. I'm very biased

[void crown]

ok i havent played it for a while i could have sworn there was when it was first being tested

[rough basalt]

I haven't played a Monk in a regular game yet

[fickle field]

What was his name?

[knotty vine]

Monk subclass

[undone rain]

I want to try out monk but idk which subclass fits me

[void crown]

i remember because i remade it in a balanced way for the game that would let me just have a drake

[fickle field]

I mean the characters name.

[knotty vine]

Tho it was bought down by how poorly monk was treated in 2014

Tasha kinda made it better

[rough basalt]

Artificer, Barbarian and Monk are the three classes I haven't played in a regular campaign yet

[eager marsh]

My Dragonborn Ascendant Dragon Monk (2024) is currently lv 16. It's been a fun class from start to end. Having Grappler makes it even more entertaining.

[knotty vine]

But base monk was just not it

[uncut zenith]

I know the idea was to design subclasses for classes that didn’t have as many subclasses as others, but yeah. Drakewarden (while good) isn’t different enough from Beast Master to make it feel like a revolutionary new subclass.

[void crown]

yea i found it

the Drakewarden subclass previously had a time limit in its Unearthed Arcana (UA) playtest version, where the drake would vanish after a number of hours equal to the ranger's proficiency bonus.

[rough basalt]

Oh and Ranger

[undone rain]

Yeehaw ranger

[knotty vine]

Even ranger was a bit better then monk in 2014

[fickle field]

Ranger with druid goes hard.

[knotty vine]

What

[fickle field]

I thought we were talking about classes.

[knotty vine]

Why would you use druid and ranger.

[rough basalt]

Ye Ranger, and Barb being kinda eh and having subclasses that didn't appeal to me is why I didn't play them.

[uncut zenith]

The funny thing is, if Drakewarden was designed as a pet subclass for warlocks instead of Ranger I probably would’ve been pretty happy with it

[rough basalt]

Monk being bad was that one's reason.

[undone rain]

Thats fair, i did like the totem one tho for barbs