dnd-discussion

[merry tulip]

really?

[humble cairn]

Yes

[lost flicker]

no they're kidding

(yes)

[merry tulip]

thats amazing

[humble cairn]

On top of being able to cast it with a +60ft increased range, no Verbal components, and as a Bonus Action.

[merry tulip]

the perfect world exists

[humble cairn]

Oh it didn't have Verbal components anyway.

[lost flicker]

yeah illusionist wizard makes minor illusion pretty sick

plus the 17th level ability is just

augh

[merry tulip]

i was already thinking about illusionist or evoker

[lost flicker]

evoker is a big one

big damage, players like big numbers, but you don't have nearly as much room for creativity

[merry tulip]

but im leaning to illusionist

yeah

[cinder void]

hey I'm new to DND and making my first char was wondering if any one is willing to help a brother out

[merry tulip]

im was considering illusionist since it would work well with backstory

[still plover]

#character-discussion is always open. Why not pop over and share what you have in mind.

[paper portal]

Are echo knight and wildfire druid the only ways to get unlimited teleports

[hot gate]

Shadow monks and cartographer artificers also have short range teleports.

[pliant sapphire]

Trickery cleric with the duplicity too

[stark arch]

when some one tells you not to min/max wat does that mean ?

[rough basalt]

Min/maxing is extreme optimization

[paper portal]

Well normally I find that the standards of people who use that phrase are much lower than optimizers but yeah

[stark arch]

like making the best of ur character futures ?

[rough basalt]

Basically maximizing your efficiency in one way by minimizing it in others

[still plover]

Like, using point-buy to load 15 in Strength, Constitution and Charisma and 8 in everything else to make the Ultimate Paladin.

[stark arch]

yea but we use standart aray

[still plover]

Then don't worry about it.

[gusty lion]

A dragon is just…
I don’t want to die by a dragon 👁️👅

[still plover]

Rejoice! Your death shall be iconic.

[hot gate]

Means very different things depending on who you ask, so unless you really care about the opinion of the person who said that, I wouldn't think about it much.

[cedar bane]

optimising to the detriment of fun and cooperation

but its a varied term. stands for minimum input, maximum output

[hot marlin]

At this point the term has become meaningless. But you could say that "don't minmax" is short for saying "if you make a character too well-optimized compared to the rest of the group, you may negatively affect the enjoyment of others who will feel their character has become useless in comparison"

If we take it as meaning this, there are a few hidden assumptions that need to be adressed:
The first is that the rest of the group would need to be meaningfully less optimized.
The second is that it is expected that having a party member more powerful negatively affects your enjoyment.
None of those things go without saying

And this is a very generous interpretation of "don't minmax". The non-generous interpretation would be that "don't minmax" means "people who optimize their characters do not roleplay correctly" which is, obviously, utter nonsense.

[cedar bane]

to me its the idea of prioritising winning and optimisation over enjoyment and integrity of the game, to the point of arguing and misinterpreting rules even

of course such as with most buzzwords, its original meaning has been diluted and become more of a general application of a certain playstyle which isnt inherently negative

[errant sonnet]

We have an undead warlock for my Curse Of Strahd game

Super excited to see what my other players are playing

[glossy otter]

oooh, might I ask who the patron is?

[errant sonnet]

They're thinking a lich. The lich approached them the day their parent died offering to let them feel nothing instead, so now they're an aspiring lich

[glossy otter]

oooh la la

[wicked mulch]

D&D Question of the Day (D&D Beyond: Playing the Game):

The DM says a monster is Bloodied. What does that communicate?
A) It’s frightened.
B) It has half its hit points or fewer.
C) It’s immune to healing.

[rough basalt]

B

[limber trail]

B!

[severe rampart]

B

I love when my players deal insane damage to an enemy and I say "not bloodied"

[glossy otter]

B. I believe in older editions it also gained new abilities when bloodied

[uncut zenith]

Yeah in 5.5E I think that only applies to some PCs specifically based on class

[timber turtle]

Would the gods think it's still cannibalism I'd you eat something like a dwarf as a human?

[uncut zenith]

Like if a monster is Bloodied, certain PCs may get additional benefits against it

[uncut zenith]

I’d say so

They may be different “species”, but they’re still people regardless

[severe rampart]

Yes

generally humanoids eating another humanoid is cannibalism, I think

[uncut zenith]

Of course, the rules of the game don’t cover that sort of granular stuff, so ask your DM for their final say

[timber turtle]

Monkeys are humanoids you can still eat those

[severe rampart]

there is no "Monkey" in D&D but Flying Monkeys are considered "Beasts" and not "Humanoid". Also that is a dumb argument.

[hot gate]

They probably meant humanoids as in the creature category. Monkeys are beasts.

Also I'm sure there are evil gods who wouldn't care

[severe rampart]

Also no, you cannot eat monkeys.

[woven flint]

Eating Awakened animals would also technically be cannibalism because they've human-esque intelligence

[timber turtle]

Humanoid mean something that resembles a human and monkeys do resemble us

[severe rampart]

I'd like to stop this conversation because you clearly do not know what you are talking about despite others correcting you.

Furthermore I am becoming more uncomfortable as this topic goes on.

[timber turtle]

The word was literally made to describe fossils of ape bones

[humble cairn]

Suffice to say the idea of cannibalism in a world where there are multiple nonhuman types of people would have to be redefined.

[humble cairn]

Humanoid as a game tag in D&D is obviously different in meaning than in paleontology.

[woven flint]

The point i was literally going to bring up ^ thank you, Ophid lol

Even if its not humanoid, if its sentient and sapient and able to think, act, and speak like a person, eating of other human-like intelligence creatures probably would get you weird looks.

[humble cairn]

We do not live in a world where we regard nonhumans as people. This is different in D&D settings where there are many many species of nonhuman people. So the idea of cannibalism, eating people, would be different. Also this is a fairly uncomfortable subject, so maybe treat it carefully.

[uncut zenith]

I’d argue in the case of D&D, it’s a lot more of a sociological taboo than a biological one

Like it’s taboo because you’re eating fellow sapient creatures, not because you’re eating creatures of the same species

[velvet marten]

Ive been thinking about this for a while. Is there any way to "counter" counterspell? Lets say ur a mage fighting 10 monsters with at will counterspell. Are you just screwed?

Possibly taking away line of sight could work, but if theyre spread out it'll be difficult withour spells

[uncut zenith]

Counterspell can be countered with another counterspell

[velvet marten]

Never heard of that, is it a class ability?

Oh lol

[severe rampart]

Spell

[velvet marten]

Aha

[severe rampart]

But the better Counterspell will Counterspell the counterspell that's counterspelling said spell.

[velvet marten]

Oooo yknow what, if yoy somehow have burrow speed and silent spell, you could do that

[velvet marten]

Lmao

[severe rampart]

Silent Spell? you mean Subtle?

[velvet marten]

Oh right that

[severe rampart]

with Subtle spell you cannot be counterspelled.

[velvet marten]

Oh wait fr

Huh ur right

Guess i just needed to have a conversation about it, this is very good info thanks!

[limber trail]

So you can count but can you spell

[severe rampart]

Yeah, just know Subtle Spell can only be taken by Sorcerers afaik

[severe rampart]

I can only count to four /ref

[limber trail]

5

[velvet marten]

Theres a item called a mind crystal that kets you use it as a non sorcerer i believe

[limber trail]

echo has no idea what that says

[velvet marten]

Tho its only one time use

[severe rampart]

You can also just take "Metamagic Adept"

it's a feat

[velvet marten]

Oh that too

[severe rampart]

yeah I forgot MMA also gives metamagic options

[thorn osprey]

I'll ask here, if anyone can give advice or opinions in general.

If you'll be running a major enemy/boss, do you state any of their passives/resistances? Or do you just let the players find out.

[velvet marten]

Let em find out is my opinion

[severe rampart]

I give my players the option to use their bonus action to "scan" the enemy, make a check, and go from there

[velvet marten]

Yeah unless they take an action to investigate the enemy

[thorn osprey]

Do the players see if the boss has a legendary resistance or not?

[viral kraken]

i usually describe the legendary resistances diegetically, like they have bands of energy around them that burst as they use them

[velvet marten]

Not unless they've fought one before

Also most cr 20+ monsters have legendary resistance

[thorn osprey]

Noted, thanks!

[thorn osprey]

I don't think they'll run into a cr20+ monster, tbh

Maybe one as the final battle, but if it'll end up being that way then I'll look at what could fit the adventure

[velvet marten]

You could also always just add abilities to a monster if you wanna have it have legendary resistance. Ur the dm after all

[woven flint]

Most Legendary Creatures have legendary resistances /silly

A Unicorn is only CR 5
but it has a legendary resistance!

[velvet marten]

Unicorn is pretty awesome, especially cause players could summon it with some spells

[woven flint]

Don't.... put legendary resistances on everything though lol

[uncut zenith]

I think there’s a CR3 giant crocodile that has at least one legendary resistance too

[flint ledge]

Nope, that's an awesome idea

[uncut zenith]

They’re okay to put on any boss/solo monster regardless of tier imo, but not every monster needs legendary resistances

[velvet marten]

Giving your players hell is a dm canon event

[woven flint]

Yes, but also making sure they have a good time is also a canon event

[velvet marten]

That too!

It is a game after all

[thorn osprey]

In the book Bugbear Boss who is CR4 has legendary resistance

[velvet marten]

No body wants to play a game that isnt fun

[viral kraken]

counterpoint dark souls

[woven flint]

A dm isn't supposed to really ONLY be antagonistic towards the players

[velvet marten]

Pffff

[viral kraken]

someone must like getting punched in the gut repeatedly since they keep making those

[thorn osprey]

Also, would it be crazy to "disable" PVP for my party, because I have a trio that would rather kill each other than hit a goblin

[flint ledge]

Level 1 goblin gets legendary resistances

[woven flint]

No.
It wouldn't

[uncut zenith]

The DM shouldn’t be antagonistic towards their players at all, imo. The DM should be the party’s biggest fan and ally, even if part of their job is to present them with challenges to overcome.

[velvet marten]

Goblins are actually dieties in disguise, every one of them weirdly enough

[woven flint]

You see, GENERALLY every table has a no PvP clause
At least fighting wise
You can have Roleplay and ideals pvp, but don't kill eachother unless everyone is okay with consequences

[thorn osprey]

That's what I plan on being, just seeing them struggling to beat a challenging fight or almost losing is just thrilling for them

[thorn osprey]

Thank you 🙏 This is just a worry of mine because I know my friends lol, every game that has friendly fire, we kill each other before anything else can

[limber trail]

I would basically always disallow pvp as a rule. I generally go on the rule of, PvP is not allowed, there is no expectation it will ever be allowed, it should never be allowed save for very specific circumstances (some one-shots may be designed with it in mind)

[velvet marten]

In my game its an unwritten rule, but sometimes there's no other option. As long as your players are reasonable people, they should know when to pvp and when not to. Tho, for new players or so called "unreasonable" ones, it would be good to have have a rule saying no pvp

[woven flint]

Just ask them to be respectful of eachother and the game they agreed to play in

[limber trail]

If something is an unwritten rule, sometimes it's worth making it a written rule

[flint ledge]

While I doubt that, a for a trickster god that seems very in character

[uncut zenith]

The system isn’t designed for PVP, so it’s generally a rule of thumb that most tables won’t allow it. It’s something a table can opt into, not necessarily opt out of.

[thorn osprey]

Been trying, but I've pretty much made it clear with plenty of "if you try to fight each other, I'll simply ignore you and move on" 🤷‍♂️

[velvet marten]

Oh absolutely

[woven flint]

Your players don't sound the most mature, admittedly

[thorn osprey]

You'd be right lol

[severe rampart]

Kick them out then

[thorn osprey]

Nah, they'll learn^^ this is their first time

[severe rampart]

They're making it clear they don't care about you

[pine kestrel]

This seems reasonable

[flint ledge]

Picking a fight with a goblin is all fun and games until the DM says they burn a legendary resistance

[limber trail]

"You guys fight. Anyways, once that's done what do you want to do next?"

[thorn osprey]

We haven't started yet so, if we start and they clearly don't care or barely listen?

Then yeah, all is cancelled

[woven flint]

Even if its their first time, they should generally have respect for
Your time, the other players time and their own time too.

[velvet marten]

"Everyone make a dc 30 charisma saving throw"

[severe rampart]

Hm, today I learnt a new word

[pine kestrel]

Iam really wishing you goodluck

[severe rampart]

aww man XD

[woven flint]

You're not funny.
I type too fast. >_> /joking

[severe rampart]

Your typing hands are far too advanced for this era

[woven flint]

Clearly, the lord of goofy is built different

[thorn osprey]

From last time I spoke to them, they seem to be more understanding, the more I talk to them--the more understanding they get.

As I said, I am willing to go through it and help them get the hang of things. But, if every minute is "I want to hit x" "I try to sneak and steal Y's loot" "I slap Z's weapon off" "I throw X at Z" then, no.

[severe rampart]

Do they not know what a "team game" is?

[thorn osprey]

Well, you see

[woven flint]

Imma be real
Even with my first time playing D&D i didn't try to attack or steal from other players lol

[thorn osprey]

I just have 3 actual goblins for players lol

[woven flint]

I was actually the most morally responsible person in the group

[severe rampart]

True, was too timid to try

[woven flint]

And i was playing with experienced players lol

[flint ledge]

I do allow pvp. Not with the sole reason of haha funny or similar but solely if 2 characters actually have a narrative reason to fight

[thorn osprey]

anyways, that'll be all for this for me

I don't mind going through it with them as they're my close friends.

[woven flint]

Nah, I was playing a kind monk fellow
I wasn't shy either

I kinda snapped right in playing my first time, D&D at its heart, is a role-playing game and i loved doing voices and roleplaying anyway

[thorn osprey]

Another question:

What do you think about a very insane encounter at level 1 to get the adventure rolling? Like, a cr10+ pulling up at the party and making them run into a village or somewhere else.

[severe rampart]

I was playing a Ranger, unfortunately was playing with the type of players Night described

[severe rampart]

What is the theme of the story you're trying to convey?

I would say a simple Undead Shambling Mound is enough

[limber trail]

It can be done but you need to telegraph that it's not a winnable fight.

[woven flint]

Have a Boneclaw show up /half-joking

[limber trail]

I started an adventure something like that

[severe rampart]

Amalgamation of humans into a single entity, using all of their hands to slowly crawl to the party

[thorn osprey]

It'll be a very simple DND story, but with a major that includes the Astral Plane lateeer, like near the end of the game.

I've been debating ot throw one of the beasts from the astral plane, without even telling them that it came from there, as they wouldn't know themselves.

[woven flint]

Boneclaws are menacing as hell

Large skeletal intelligent creatures that are the product of a failed lich transformation, they serve the most evil beings they can find

[severe rampart]

but I reckon for level 1 you can throw in a group of ghouls and get the same effect

you can make any enemy terrifying if you try hard enough

[woven flint]

They can also just teleport through shadows

[wintry spindle]

A lot of stuff comes from there without you knowing

[flint ledge]

You also generally don't want the creature to be too high CR for the inevitable attempting to fight it just to be met by an instant kill attack

[thorn osprey]

Yup! I've seen many of the creatures and they're very interest/fun; And plenty of them look "normal" enough that the party wouldn't go "that doesn't belong here!"

[woven flint]

I had a rather horrific idea for my first campaign when i get to it regarding boneclaws

First night after doing a job for a village, the party goes to sleep in an inn, late at night, one of them hears a light tapping, they open their eyes and see a skeletal figure as tall as the Inn tapping on their window, but it backs away because it doesn't have the right person and it melds into the shadows

Make it all seem like a simple cozy game up until that point lol

[wintry spindle]

"This isnt the rusty barrel?" "No this is the old keg inn!" "My mistake"

[woven flint]

Nah, I'll have it do the ghost girl from Pokémon:
"No, you're not the one."
Then back away and disappear into shadow

[wintry spindle]

"Its hard to haunt people in this town with all these inns"

[severe rampart]

yup, like after a festival with fun mini games

and then have it never return again

[woven flint]

You see, you're going for a comedic effect, I'm going for shit your pants

[woven flint]

Oh, it'll keep returning.
Afterall, it's still looking.

[wintry spindle]

Comedy is a good gateway to horror

But my go to horror is just making the players be suspicous

[woven flint]

Yes, but not every horrific event needs a comedic build up.

Or any build up, really

(Most effective scares do)
But setting the tone as comfy and then that night switching it on is head is also.. pretty effective

Then that player keeps seeing that figure outside their window doing things every night
And you make it real careful so the other characters don't see it

It's funny because boneclaws are large creatures, so you think they'd be easy to spot, but they've got a +7 to stealth! Lol

[glossy otter]

just hangs on the ceiling

[delicate owl]

Well its probably because they can act lile a pile of bones

[umbral girder]

I mean according to Paleontologist a T-Rex was a very stealthy creature too and those guys are BIG

[cerulean monolith]

^ All creatures have had False Appearance traits abstracted into Expertise in Stealth

[umbral girder]

Would hiding in plain sight in a wax museum be a Deception check, Performance check, or Stealth check?

By pretending to be a wax statue of course

[uncut zenith]

I’d say Stealth, but I’d allow the player to make an argument for Deception or Performance too

[humble cairn]

Disguising yourself is a Deception check, after all. I could see either Deception or Stealth. Performance is used to change a room's Attitude.

[uncut zenith]

I’d say Performance is the least likely of the three I’d allow, but I’m open to listening to how my player may justify using it

But I’m also generally open to hearing my players out and why they think another roll might work better

I don’t always agree with them, but they don’t know if they don’t ask

[empty thicket]

Now my brain got into a fantasy of getting against some god and it say "impressive for a mortal" so i could reply "Disappointing for a God."

[glossy otter]

Smites the player for their hubris

[uncut zenith]

BG3 be like

[empty thicket]

Slay the gods for their weakness.

[visual dew]

I have questions regarding multiclassing been playing for a decent bit never seriously but I’m looking into the artificer class and I want to try a multi class of it and warlock with the artificer being the main class

[glossy otter]

ngl that does make me think, asides from Karsus. Have their been any other FR mortals that actually terrified the gods

[empty thicket]

that sound dope

[humble cairn]

What's the purpose of the multiclass. Generally you don't want to multiclass unless you have a specific and mechanical synergy you're going after.

[empty thicket]

but whole "killing gods" is hard so i would go for a "winning above one"

[umbral girder]

There is performance art of people acting like statues

That’s why I thought of it.

[visual dew]

I’m reading on the artificer and saw the artillerist sub class and thought it would be really fun to create a character who’s a artificer who can have the eldrich cannons and Ive always wanted a destructive character so a character that can have the whole aspect of the eldrich cannons in addition to eldrich blast and maybe sum other warlock spells seems dope to me

[uncut zenith]

And I can agree with that. That said, living statue performers aren’t typically hiding.

[lavish flame]

Charisma (Stealth) imo

[umbral girder]

Pretending to be a statue amongst statues feels like it would count

[humble cairn]

Artillerist by themselves basically has the blasting power without needing to multiclass Warlock. And that multiclass uses different ability scores for their spells so you'd be cutting into your effectiveness.

[visual dew]

If it helps in any way battle prowess isn’t really important too much for this campaign it’s more puzzly and brainy

Honestly I just love the spamming of eldrich blast every now and then for the fun of it

[humble cairn]

Ok sure, but what about the blasty type stuff Artillerist can do? In my experience the game is more fun when you're actually good at the things you want to do.

Puzzly and brainy is exactly why you would want to focus on Intelligence and Artificer only. Trying to minor in the Charisma stuff is only going to make you less good in everything.

[rough basalt]

Now for the hardest part of starting a campaign.

[visual dew]

You right

[humble cairn]

Artillerist, especially 2024 Artillerist is all about using your cannon and your actual gun.

Magically enhanced gunfire!

[rough basalt]

The recruitment process. screams of horror

[uncut zenith]

2024 Artillerist even gets proficiencies in actual guns

And they can make an arcane firearm out of one of they wanted to

[still plover]

Filtering out the time wasters, the ones who love the idea but shirk at actually playing, and those who just don't read. Yeah.

[uncut zenith]

I was thinking of playing one in the weird west campaign I joined, but I went with a Battle Master instead cuz I haven’t played a non-caster in years

[rough basalt]

And its gonna be a doozy

Cause it's a horror campaign with the forbidden technique in recruiting process being used.

Actually being transparent about your CWs.

[still plover]

Thought you were going to say class restrictions there.

[rough basalt]

Human fighters only lol

[still plover]

Don't tempt me.

[rough basalt]

Nah I wanna run Strahd in a way I feel would be satisfying at some point so I'm trying to build up my ability to run horror and handle dark games.

[thorn wedge]

I arrive with my half orc barbarian character. The dm is confused, until I try to fight every human npc I see

[glossy otter]

Well, while writing for a dnd campaign, never thought a song from Iggy Pop made for a cult classic would inspire one of my campaigns lol

[dim kernel]

That’s honestly how the best ideas hit
Iggy Pop has that raw, chaotic vibe, perfect fuel for a D&D plot

[halcyon bison]

What about Iggwilv Pop

[glossy otter]

omg lol

[normal canyon]

Hi

[woven flint]

Make a Charisma saving throw.

[candid forge]

Hey guys, does it make sense that, after saving his life, an apprentice mage (like Presto) would join a knight on his adventures while he hones his skills?

[blissful ibex]

ye, classic setup

[normal canyon]

What’s the alignment

[glossy otter]

I mean it really depends on the PC's personality but I'd say yeah

[blissful ibex]

honnestly works with any allignment; even evil ones

motives might be different but it's workable regardless >:3

[normal canyon]

Makes it slightly harder tho

[candid forge]

My dad hates the idea because he thinks a magelet would never be able to learn under a knight.

[glossy otter]

Not really. NE and LE could be compelled or be opportunistic while CE coud just thrive from it

[woven flint]

They absolutely could!

[candid forge]

But the idea is that the magelet is learning on their own

[blissful ibex]

Evil char might plan to have the knight be a patsy/fall guy or use them as a shield to look outwardly law abiding and 'good' while persuing their true intentions during downtime or while away from the party

[glossy otter]

I mean they could probably learn patience, determination, resilience

[woven flint]

Learning magic isn't the only thing valuable to a mage

[buoyant oar]

Alignment is one of the most misunderstood things in DnD.

Its one of those things that makes Planescape great. Planescape is the Danny Divito "I get it" GIF for Alignment

[feral fulcrum]

Money is also valuable.

[blissful ibex]

The knight provides a different set of difficulties for the mage to think on how to solve and in a combat situation provides more space for the mage to expirament with spells as they will act as a bulwark to an extent

[feral fulcrum]

A Wizard is always broke.

[woven flint]

Student Debt THE class

[feral fulcrum]

So much gold spent on adding spells, and buying components.

[blissful ibex]

and twiggy mage + beefy muscle is a classic pairing

[feral fulcrum]

Even more if you're a wizard who crafts things

[blissful ibex]

I get a mini version of the same by bringing Book of Ancient Secrets forward into 5.5e
Tracking down spell scrolls and learniong them is one of my favorite "minigames" within DnD XD

[umbral girder]

Well Eldritch knights are a thing

Knights who use wizard magic

[feral fulcrum]

Introduce them to the concept of Battle Mages (In general, not related to DND), Spellblades, and the like.

[woven flint]

A Knight also doesn't have to be specifically a fighter or class you'd typically associate with the knight fantasy
Its a title, afterall.
Perhaps your knight is a Bladesinger Wizard 🧐

[buoyant oar]

A knight can also teach chivalry, honor, when to choose defense vs offense.

[blissful ibex]

yeahm, there's loads of gish (spellblade) subclasses in dnd

[feral fulcrum]

A sufficiently proficient Wizard is just a less glowy Paladin at the end of the day.

[blissful ibex]

valor bard, bladesinger wizard, arcane trickster, eldritch knight, war cleric, mystic warrior monk (ua), battle smith artificer, etc.

[buoyant oar]

A wizard thinks they should charm person their way through talks with nobility. A knight smacks the wizard up side the head.

[blissful ibex]

also bladelock

any warlock can be a gish

also the whole point of an adventuring group is to cover eachother's weaknesses

[woven flint]

A knight also..
Doesn't specifically have to be a gish either!
It's a title, not a preferred way of combat!

Your knight could be a Sorcerer

[candid forge]

I asked more about the mage and knight thing in #homebrew since I didn't wanna clog this chat with homebrew stuff lol

[buoyant oar]

Sorry knights are only Triple Sorcadinlock pact of the blade with literally the devil, Oath of vengeance and a divine soul sorcerer /j

[woven flint]

"Not every knight needs swords, bows or even armor, you know!"

[buoyant oar]

Considering many knights these days are actors bards are a good one to pull from.

[woven flint]

Valor Bard 🧐

[blissful ibex]

Valor bard is best bard

[woven flint]

I'm indifferent about bard as a whole

[blissful ibex]

Valor bard is fun because you can give it 2 levels of warlock and then do a pact weapon attack and an EBARB eldritch blast in the same attack action at level 8+ c:

[woven flint]

Boooooringggg...
Just get a Lute of Thunderous Thumping

Bonk Bard

[blissful ibex]

I have one put aside for her >:3

I think it has the Guardian property too >:3

[woven flint]

That sounds third party

[blissful ibex]

nope, it's AL so all RAW

Minor properties are just incredibly rarely used by DMs

[umbral girder]

The what property?

[blissful ibex]

Guardian gives +2 to initiative rolls

it's one of the nicer ones

[umbral girder]

Oh you mean the Artifact Properties?

[woven flint]

Eh, I don't care for adventures league, but I remember what you're talking about now!
Its all in magic item crafting for 2024

[blissful ibex]

ye

[umbral girder]

Wait I see it now

[blissful ibex]

they can be applied to standard magic items as well

[umbral girder]

I forgot some of the generic magic item properties gave stat boosts

Yeah I’ve used those a few times

Mainly the one that makes attunement only take 1 minute.

[blissful ibex]

AL allows for the minor propery collumn and the ones that impact mood which I forget the name for to be put on item wawards by module writers

[blissful ibex]

Harmonious

[nimble dew]

Hallooo i wanted to ask how do yall know how to price stuff Cuz i got many many things and i dont even play this Game 😣

[blissful ibex]

you see a lot of Sentinel (glows or otherwise tells you when a creature of a certain creature type is within 120 feet)

also beacon (can light up for 10~20 ft bright and 10~20 ft dim light, toggled with a BA)

[blissful ibex]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#AdventuringGear
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#ArmorTable
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#WeaponsTable
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/magic-items#MagicItemRaritiesandValues (consumable magic items other than scrolls cost half)
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#SpellScrollCosts (scrolls cost twice the number listed here, plus the cost of any consumed material components)
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#ArtisansTools
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#OtherTools
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#MountsandVehicles
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#FoodDrinkandLodging
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#TravelTable
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#HirelingsTable
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#SpellcastingServices

[lavish flame]

I just use the books' price for stuff, as shown above with all them links

[shut lance]

thats what I am worried about in my next campaign- the last one my cleric took levels of togue to get us through traps and sneak easier

This next one we have a ranger, probably a druid, a sorcerer, and my swashbuckler rogue. No front line fighter, and more spellcasters than any before. The last 2 , my characters adapted to fill holes ( My sneaky barbarian/fighter, then cleric/rogue who was a light cleric as we had no blasters ) But I don't want to adapt..just play a social skill monkey

[blissful ibex]

Druid and Ranger can be fronliners

especially moon druid

but any druid in practice

[reef tundra]

Shops have become much easier for me to run ever since I started using the listed prices for items

It’s not worth the effort to make a whole economy with a new currency

[blissful ibex]

if you want variation, just roll a d10 + a percentile and then add +/- 50% to the price based on the roll

[shut lance]

probably going to try to push it, I have done the support and carry. I just want to be a 'star' - the face that defuses situations but if it comes to combat the hit and run stabbings

[blissful ibex]

otherwise, just use the listed numbers
makes everything much easier as stated

[reef tundra]

Now that’s got my attention. I was looking for a way to add price variation

[woven flint]

Anyone can be a Frontliner if you're not a coward

[lavish flame]

Ranger should cover your Tanky bases (assuming they don't hide behind the spellcasters for some reason)

[shut lance]

she has hinted at bring ranged build

[lavish flame]

Also Druid can be a ridiculously good tank

[empty thicket]

True

[reef tundra]

Life is too short. Put the sorcerer and wizard on the front line
-# Not talking about bladesinger

Lack of gish sorcerer subclass saddens me :(

[shut lance]

@woven flint I guess Errol is a dodgy tank?

[blissful ibex]

possibly let them haggle as well if they want to RP it a bit

[empty thicket]

yep, might there be one in some book but that i know, there is none

[vernal owl]

I loved frontlining with my wizard i rolled up for a one shot where i never rolled above average for hit dice while leveling him up

[reef tundra]

Oooh yes! Good idea

[empty thicket]

rare honestly

[reef tundra]

I have seen the subclass content of most official books, so far, none :(

[shut lance]

my warlock in the one shot went front lines
Tasha charmed it (plasmoid) into attacking the party

[woven flint]

My Celestial Warlock is level 18
He has
18 AC
and he's the only Frontliner
And he pulls up and rocks shit anyway

[blissful ibex]

and if they do a big quest for the shopkeeper or for the town/region/kingdom in general, you can give them like a bonus to the roll to check price

[halcyon bison]

i got a 9 ;w;

[woven flint]

You're Banished.

[halcyon bison]

nooooooooo :<

[reef tundra]

Noooo Tokii bring them back

[woven flint]

Hmmm, say please 🧐

[raw crypt]

How- how did we hear them while they were banished

[blissful ibex]

My druidlock has 20 at level 16 in AL c:
also at level 8 in another campaign due to getting a lucky +2 shield c:

[reef tundra]

Please

[woven flint]

It was a slow and painful banishment

[empty thicket]

then fr, weird

[woven flint]

Alright, you're unbanished

[shut lance]

but if ranger is archery build the druid as tank tank and rogue as dodge tank may be what we have

[halcyon bison]

yay :D

thank you Amity

[vernal owl]

Not bad fr thats like 22 with the shield spell

[empty thicket]

but i guess its okey, we have berserk who cant use magic perce so, sorc not being able to use it is okey

[blissful ibex]

Ranger is actually really good at dual wielding

[reef tundra]

I would make my own but there’s no flavour and theming I can think of that doesn’t step on the shoes of my homebrew sorcerer half caster class

[shut lance]

rogue dos have an ac of 17 at level 3

[woven flint]

Warlocks don't get it naturally.

[shut lance]

I think she mentioned gloomstalker? I havent played that one

[vernal owl]

Oh damn i didnt know that

[blissful ibex]

ooh, that's a fun one
very sneaky/assassin vibes
basically as close to rogue as Ranger gets

[woven flint]

Also, using a Warlock spellslot for shield would be kinda meh

I got Eldritch Smites to throw out

[vernal owl]

I like getting hit as the warlock im playing rn (hellish rebuke) so i didnt bother looking for shield

[empty thicket]

the thing i would say is, how you would make it "special"
Warlock get a whole armor upgrade and weapon upgrades with other many stuff
Wizard get a smart Rage
Arti and druid are their own thing too

[shut lance]

@vernal owlI wanted to hit Tasha with hellish rebuke but she charmed me with the kiss

[blissful ibex]

easy to grab off of MI: WIzard though

[reef tundra]

Hmmm… blood

[reef tundra]

Weapons or items made out of your body and blood

[vernal owl]

Fair enough 5th level slot on a shield isnt exactly worth it lol

[empty thicket]

I would say, leave it like it happen with Barbarian

[reef tundra]

Bloody versions of spells, etc

[vernal owl]

Sad

[reef tundra]

Now that’s a good idea, I’ll save that for later

[woven flint]

Hellish rebuke also kinda sucks imho
I'd prefer concentration or more value for the entire party (Eldritch Smite prones)

[blissful ibex]

makes more sense in a multiclass where you've got some level 1 and 2 spell slots outside of your pact slots you can burn

[vernal owl]

Every warlock should hellish rebuke at least once in their lifetime

[woven flint]

Nah, I'd win.

[reef tundra]

You wanted to hit… who…? 👁️ 👁️

[woven flint]

Mine never has
None of mine have

[halcyon bison]

its a little iconic though

[shut lance]

I think this will work then. We have the druid, me, and ranger if crap hits the fan, but try to sneak as a group maybe.. avoid minor combats

[vernal owl]

Tsk tsk tsk

[blissful ibex]

the only thing it really has going for it is that it lets you hit things with your reaction

[shut lance]

Tasha, from Tasha's Madhouse

[vernal owl]

I really love hellish rebuke it's one of my favorite spells lol

[blissful ibex]

Druid and Ranger both have access to Pass Without Trace and no one should be in heavy armor so should be able to get group sneak checks rather nicely

[reef tundra]

I know full well who Tasha is. ⬆️

[reef tundra]

Leave my wife alone >:( /j

[shut lance]

well we have Madhouse Tasha and Tasha's cauldron Tasha

[woven flint]

My favorite spell as a Warlock is uh...

Blade of Disaster.

[shut lance]

Jamjiggle never got a single blow on her

[blissful ibex]

I like Plant Growth, Tidal Wave, Maelstrom, Fog Cloud, Sleet Storm, and Find Familiar c:

[reef tundra]

Yay. I am happy now

[blissful ibex]

also rituals, lots and lots of rituals

[empty thicket]

Blood manipulation, but would need some features for heal yourself so you dont dry yourself.

[woven flint]

My Celestial Warlock bodied a drow matron mother before she could even take a single turn with a Pact Weapon and Blade of Disaster

[halcyon bison]

i like rituals but like what are our characters even doing for 10 straight minutes

just chanting over and over??? for 10 minutes??????

[blissful ibex]

mumbling to them selves, maybe drawing a spell cirlce, makion g arcane gestrues, playing music, reciting poetry

[reef tundra]

I can add lifesteal abilities and HP increase like draconic sorcerer does

[shut lance]

@reef tundra my warlock was.. oddly the one with the most hp. And we had a paladin. But 10d6 fall damage took them down

[vernal owl]

Mine are hellish rebuke, phantasmal force, spirit guardians (i flavor them as snakes chomping down on the enemies), haste and chromatic orb

[shut lance]

at least their imp familiar Bubble ate a few souls

[woven flint]

My Warlock is in a rough place because it's hard for him to fall back and sling spells even though he's got a staff of the magi because he's the only Frontliner in that party and i want to kinda be a barrier lol

[blissful ibex]

I really like 5.5e Conjure Animals because it's just Spirit guardians that you can move seperate from your cahracter
Slashing instead of Necrotic/Radiant and no damage on save but still really nice

[vernal owl]

The thrill of gambling with chromatic orb..

Missing after dumping in my last 3rd level slot in it

[blissful ibex]

That's whn you grab spell sniper

[blissful ibex]

Sorcerous burst is also a fun gambling spell with its exploding dice c:

[woven flint]

No, its not a range issue.

[halcyon bison]

also you can make it a swarm of whatever you want
it could be wolves or birds or 1000 frogs

[empty thicket]

then you have a kinda way to it

[woven flint]

He has plenty of range

[blissful ibex]

Spell sniper deletes the disadvantage for making ranged spell attacks while threatened
the extra range is just a bonus

[vernal owl]

Fair enough! I just love to picture my character jogging around the battlefield trying to get as many guys chomped down by his snake spirits

[shut lance]

has anyone else grabbed spells from the wrong list recently? Jam had Primal savagery rethemed as Melting Touch because it was an ooze

[spice spear]

sup

[woven flint]

Again, that's not the problem.

He's a bladelock anyway lol

[blissful ibex]

is it concentration, or is it AoE placements then?

[woven flint]

The problem is nobody can switch places with my warlock so i can drop back.
Because nobody else is even remotely buikt for the frontlines

[vernal owl]

Hmmm is anyone else in the party capable of frontline? Like maybe theres a ranger or a dex based fighter?

[vernal owl]

Oh nvm

[halcyon bison]

frontline warlock sounds fun at least :3

[blissful ibex]

aah, took that as a "I can't sling spells from the frontline."issue rather than a "I'd like to not be on the frontline for a bit." issue

[blissful ibex]

1 level of fighter into 19 levels of warlock is a really nice way to do that c:

[shut lance]

it does

[woven flint]

We have
Cartographer Artificer, Celestial Warlock, Glamour Bard (who potentially could with charm tanking) and Scion of the Three Rogue who likes her crossbow

But i don't wanna be like
"Hey, bard, stand here so i can sling spells for a bit!"

[blissful ibex]

gets you Con save prof, heavy armor, shields, second wind, martial prof (though Pact of the Blade fixes this), second wind again, action surge (if you go to 2), weapon mastery, and a fighting style

[vernal owl]

Ive been looking online for some fun multiclasses with 2014 trickery cleric but i cant find any ;-;;

[halcyon bison]

this is a good idea

[shut lance]

the issue with frontline @woven flint seems to me something that just asking the other players may solve. They may not know how you feel

[vernal owl]

Might have to cook up some bullshit at home

[woven flint]

Nah, i don't feel bad about it
I just have a bit of a tougher time justifying slinging spells over doing melee lol

Well, not particularly that

[blissful ibex]

It's one of the simpler multiclasses that adds a good deal to a martial Warlock with minimal investment as you're likely to have ~14 dex or so anyway

[halcyon bison]

ive kinda been wanted to do pact of the blade archfey

[blissful ibex]

very fun setup c:

[shut lance]

could take defensive fighting style as well

[halcyon bison]

but the one time i have already played warlock i didn't like it very much :<
having only 2 spell slots stinks

its kinda made me hesitant to play it again

[blissful ibex]

I'm very partial to blindfighting; that 10ft of blindsight is just really useful in all pillars of play

[halcyon bison]

warlock has my favorite flavor! but my least favorite mechanics

[blissful ibex]

it has my favorite mechanics
Druid is my favorite flavor
thus did I stick them together >:3

[woven flint]

My Warlock does have plenty of spells he can cast for free though

Species related (Drow spells)
Fey AND Shadowtouched feats
Arcane Eye invocation
Staff of the Archmagi
So he's not worried about spell slots lol

[shut lance]

when you play a warlock though you face small number of skills, small number of spell slots. They are really geared for cantrips and customization

[shut lance]

thats what I took on my barb/fight

[woven flint]

^ @shut lance

[blissful ibex]

Take the Skilled origin feat on your warlock; bumps you up to 7
could also then go Lessons of the First Ones to take it again to bump to 10 proficiencies if you really want to

[halcyon bison]

my warlock had lots of free spells too she was a hexblood and had fey touched i think

[reef moat]

hello guys how is everyone

how open is this channel?
like about what can I talk here or stuff?

[shut lance]

@blissful ibextrue. Also planned skilled on my rogue at level 4

[blissful ibex]

I run Circle of Preservation Druid (UA) (Wildfire if unavilable) / Fathomless Warlock c:
only free spell I get that isn't a ritual is lesser/greater restoration

But Tentacle of the Deeps and Preserved Land may as well be free spells

[halcyon bison]

i also like great old one

i have too many characters i want to play...

[minor cargo]

Yeah, this is like the "general" channel for D&D. For non-D&D topics, there's also #non-dnd-topics . ✌️

[shut lance]

me as well

[keen hornet]

Having to sass my dnd players for their complete inability to coordinate schedules. Had to say "as much as I enjoy hosting this campaign it's been going for 2 years and I'd prefer it not require another 10 to finish"

[shut lance]

but for one shots I get the chance to play silly characters

next one going to pilot a low intelligence monk based on Wimp-Lo

[blissful ibex]

that's what AL is for >:3
can literally rebuild your character after every session

really good for trying out new spells, classes, subclasses, feats, items, and abilities

in a live game

[woven flint]

That's funny, but also, sorry..
You're fighting the true BBEG

Scheduling

[shut lance]

may try that, AL

[blissful ibex]

?al

[cosmic roost]

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[shut lance]

I didn't like how mt warlock played in mechanics

[keen hornet]

It's a 1 to 20, they're level 10 as t this point. And im like "oh my god can we lock I still have half a book to make you losers go on"

Makes me upset that even when we DO play I can only host for like 3 hours because thats all the one player has the attention span for

[woven flint]

War-Lock the fudge in.

[blissful ibex]

https://www.adventurersleague.info/discord has a list of the more active servers; it's a community run resource website that has the rules and quick references as well
also a lot of LGSs play AL, or you can find it at conventions

There's also a recurring virtual convention that they advertise in the events page on here for paid AL games IIRC

[reef moat]

What options does one have for virtual tabletops for hosting dnd?
I built one and idk I was just annoyed that roll20 had some features locked behind the subscription (the walls blocking vision is premium, and so the dm needs to reveal areas by hand whenever the payers want to move)
anyway so I built something simmilar
can I post a small wall of text with what features are in it and like I have some questions to ask

(note, this is not advertisement if I do this I might just use it personally or probably put it on github for the public, im just looking for some honest feedback)

[blissful ibex]

roll20 is the best IMO, there's alsso dndbeyond and a few others I can't remember the name of off the top of my head

[viral kraken]

owlbear rodeo is great

[rough basalt]

Roll20, Owlbear, Foundry

Those are the three notably good ones

[viral kraken]

and you can self-host owlbear legacy

[reef moat]

I suppose all of them are paid

[rough basalt]

Only Foundry is

[reef moat]

what does qualify a vtt as good? can you give me some key features?

[rough basalt]

Easy to use, and can fit a lot of groups is my criteria

[reef moat]

groups as in different tabletops?

[minor cargo]

I've enjoyed Foundry, and it can get really fancy with sound effects and special/spell effects and junk. This is a one-time fee (versus Roll20 which is subscription).

Owlbear Rodeo gets a lot of praise for being so simple and quick to setup. This one is free, with a paid version to unlock more storage space.

And of course, there's always just using theatre of the mind, but given we're talking about VTTs, probably not worth more than a footnote.

[viral kraken]

self-hostable and open-source

[rough basalt]

Players and tabletops yeah

[humble cairn]

If people double up on control spells, everyone can be ranged.

[rough basalt]

Roll20 has the best support for most tabletop systems i believe

Tho Roll20 itself can be a huge pain, or at least it was

[humble cairn]

No team really needs a melee member at all.

[reef moat]

hmm... thanks for the feedback folks (idk whats a good gender neutral term for plural)

[woven flint]

We're at such a high level that CC is often a very difficulty choice because legendary resistances are rampant

[rough basalt]

ddb maps is also good if you have ddb content

[rough basalt]

I think folks works

[humble cairn]

Double or even triple down on control spells and you can trivialize a bunch of enemies.

[humble cairn]

Teamwork makes the dream work, as we learned in the lich fight.

[woven flint]

We also have
Significantly less party members than in titanic in this party.

[keen hornet]

I used roll20 for a long time and it's god awful compared to Foundry

[reef moat]

right so I built a vtt and heres some features and questions if yall want to answer i'd appreciate

features:
Map & tokens — upload a battle map, add tokens (with images or colored circles), drag them around
Walls & fog of war — draw free-form walls for blocking vision/movement, otherwise reveal/hide areas with fog
Combat tracking — initiative tracker that syncs to all players, shows who's up, HP bars
Dice rolling — quick buttons (d4-d20, advantage/disadvantage), custom formulas, rolls sync to chat
Character sheets — basic sheet system (ability scores, AC, HP, etc.) linked to tokens
Ambient audio — DM can play background music/ambience with volume control for players
Chat — in-game chat with roll-in-line syntax (/r 1d20+5), whispers to individual players
Area of Effect — place circles, cones, lines for spell ranges (just for visualization, not mechanics)
Condition markers — tokenize conditions (prone, poisoned, etc.) on tokens
Monster spawning — pull monsters directly from D&D 5e API (stats, images, everything)
Save/load — snapshot the entire session (map, tokens, fog, everything) and reload later

and the questions
What features are missing that would make this actually useful vs. Roll20/Foundry?
For a self-hosted tool, what's the minimum viable feature set you'd want?
Any pain points with other VTTs that I could avoid?

[cedar bane]

fellas i have written 17 pages of theories in the past 3 days for the campaign im in. time to write more

[valid geyser]

Probably not being d&d specific. Also I’d bet legal issues with the api

[cedar bane]

knome is going to wake up to 13 pages

[woven flint]

That and also we had 3 artifacts.

[humble cairn]

The tactic would have worked without them. It was solid teamwork and tactics.

[cedar bane]

honestly my main thing would be to avoid bloat, most vtts only need the basics and adding too much just makes it hard to use

[reef moat]

Honestly I didnt think of that, I just used the api a bit personally rn but like its open without any key or rate limits, but i guess some people might hog it. Ill read on it tho it surely has some limits tho, thanks for the feedback

[humble cairn]

This is certainly an issue, though.

[viral kraken]

i think that for a self-hosted tool just having basically a whiteboard where different "types" of pictures can be uploaded that behave differently, like "tokens" being movable by players, while "maps" are not for instance, the ability to order how the images are layered, and the ability to have fog of war are all the things you need for a minimum viable self-hosted tabletop. if it has all the features you listed then it would be good to go i feel like

[woven flint]

6 party members and 3 artifacts is much more different than

4 party members that are, yes, higher tier but, only one of them have a legendary atm
And DPR just matters a lot more than CC for them

[reef moat]

thanks

[woven flint]

Because barely any of us can take a hit

[valid geyser]

I might be analyzing this as if it’s an actual product I may or may not have to spend money on. That’s why I mentioned every statblock and all that being on the api might be hard to do legally

[reef moat]

Or I could meet in person 💀 but nah I js had to have friends far af

[delicate owl]

No offense to our wonderful dm, but you're comparing a game where the players are handed a ton of stuff and allowed to do things that really shouldn't be possible in normal gameplay vs a game where there is an actual challenge and proper item distribution and cost in getting said items.

In the game being talked about, we have far more cost to attempting to lock down an enemy by spamming resources that will most likely be resisted. It's just best to support our allies and deal damage rather than attempt hard CC of any kind, unless we're fighting obvious fodder.

[woven flint]

It's better for us to outright destroy the problem tgen to waste our time

"Will it or will it not be crowd controlled?"

[reef moat]

yep yep yep I appreciate a lot the comment idk I thought a little bit of doing it commercially but theres a whole other set of problems that would come with it and idk if im ready for that

[humble cairn]

I'm pretty sure well applied control can make things a lot easier than just trying to out damage everything. Prevent hits, by tying enemies up. Bards, Warlocks, and Artificers to a lesser degree are great at control. Rogues .. have good DC's for nets and stuff?

[valid geyser]

I guess if that draw steel vtt is any good there might be a market for vtts that can only do one system, but I think Mcdm just has an extremely loyal fan base

[rough basalt]

MCDM does foster a pretty loyal fanbase

[viral kraken]

don't rogues get new cc in 5.5e with the trading sneak attack dice for other effects?

[woven flint]

Crowd Control is also less effective when your crowd is almost all legendary monsters

[rough basalt]

They make good content, and Matt Colville is probably been one of the most influential in a good way figures in tabletop content creation.

[jolly canyon]

Is their stuff good? I was considering it. Feel free to tag me in #third-party if that's not a good question to ask here

[humble cairn]

Either way parties still don't need to have a melee member at all.

[rough basalt]

Flee Mortals is probably one of the best third party bestiaries

[reef moat]

yeah someone in my steam family bought tabletop simulator and it was like 40 dollars and idk that seemed a bit very greedy and annoying

anyway i digress. thanks for the feedback. until now I only thought to add add add more features but the key might be in the simplicity of it

[valid geyser]

I think draw steel is a cool game I’d like to check out, but man that vtt seems like it’s only for die hard fans of the game

[jolly canyon]

As a new DM his videos were a God send.

[rough basalt]

I think the nice thing is that Draw Steel works well on other VTTs too

[jolly canyon]

Going on the buy list then woo

[humble cairn]

But no one can just be a stationary turret and nothing else, you have to be aware of your own positioning and have ways to defend yourself.

[severe rampart]

just rolled two natural twos to attack, never playing a martial ever again /j

[viral kraken]

maybe make it plugin extensible, that way you can continue to develop for it if you want to but the addons can be loaded as the user sees fit?

[rough basalt]

Like Draw Steel on Foundry runs pretty good.

And its already gotten a few good free QoL modules

Like there's one for art for the statblocks.

[valid geyser]

I like foundry. I think it’s definitely worth the 50 dollars if you’re playing a game more complex than d&d and want to actively use all the plugins

50 bucks one time for a year long campaign is more cost effective than a subscription

[rough basalt]

Where its a group of artists I believe handdrawing each token for free.

Yeah if you're a PF2e GM for example, you ain't getting a better VTT than Foundry

As Pf2e was the 1st system designed for it alongside 5e so it's got the most support.

[reef moat]

also uhh I have a little question

whats the best way to male my dm as miserable as possible (not quite seriously but I wanna complicate the campaign for him, as a practical joke)

I was thinking of using real world math like in the peasant cannon thing but all around

yall got any other suggestions?

[thorn osprey]

I am not too sure, but I heard that racial increases got removed in the recent player handbook, or am I misunderstanding it

[idle oar]

If you still want to be on friendly terms and still play with the group, don’t do that.

[rough basalt]

ASIs are tied to backgrounds now

[viral kraken]

start attacking walls and floors and whatnot. they probably do not know the item damage rules offhand and also there is probably not a world planned in those directions

[reef moat]

I love it

[thorn osprey]

Is there a place to see all of those?

[cedar bane]

acually? dont do that and actually have fun

now if we are making suggestions

eat everything you find

[rough basalt]

There's the ones in the free rules then rest are in the PHB and 5.5 splatbooks

[cedar bane]

key? thats a snack
monster? new flavour
magic item? more like magic mustard

[thorn osprey]

So they're pay walled

[viral kraken]

head towards crowds and introduce yourself to each person in the crowd and demand they rp each npc

[rough basalt]

This is dnd.

You get free stuff, but rest is paid.

[idle oar]

Like most games some things require payment

[rough basalt]

Tho I think they're reintroducing ways to buy stuff on ddb without the full book.

I keep hearing about something like that

[rough basalt]

Yeah even Pathfinder gets expensive if you actually want the books.

[cedar bane]

just make everything out of cardboard and dont use any rules. easy

[rough basalt]

Like the Tian Xia World Guide for PF2e book is 70 bucks off sale.

[viral kraken]

you can always use the SRD and then build anything missing from there

[rough basalt]

DnD is pay for content
PF is pay for art and convenience.

[idle oar]

I mean you can play D&D just with the free rules and homebrew whatever else you need. Or save up and buy the books you want as needed.

[lean wigeon]

ooh r we shilling pathfinder today

[rough basalt]

That's true. You don't need all the content.

[reef moat]

I already did that, the DM is a big fan of ww2 history and he just took a wiki page or something of all the russian generals in ww2 so every npc I try to talk to will be a russian general 💀
he came prepared

[idle oar]

It can be as free or as expensive as you like

[reef moat]

LOL

[rough basalt]

You only really need the corebooks if you want paid stuff.

[fathom gate]

I put my barbarian in attack position and activate rage, attacking your life points directly

[reef moat]

now im not suggesting anything but I saw a reel or something on that the dnd books were among the most cracked single books or something around that

what are DM fixes for minmaxxing?

[lean wigeon]

session zero

[viral kraken]

i might ask in #dm-discussion but i usually just give more stuff to other players to catch them up powerwise so i can still make encounters for the whole party

[lean wigeon]

minmaxxing is not something that needs fixing anyway, nor is it an invalid way to play 5e

[viral kraken]

oh ya, if you don't want powergaming at your table session 0 is the time to let them know

[mystic crystal]

Let me introduce you to something called meteor swarm. Have fun

[reef moat]

ope sorry.

well yeah but it kinda makes the game hard for everyone,
other players that youre more powerful

and hard for the dm that he needs to balance it somehow

like either make the encounters more puzzle or homebrew a lot around the minmax

[lean wigeon]

best not to have players with conflicts of interest then

[flint ledge]

Just say: "I don't want min maxing at this table"

[thorn osprey]

So by default your characters can go like up to 17, with origin bonuses is it able to go to 19? Or is it the same as the old system, just a different way to disturb the points?

[reef moat]

I responded at 2 people in the same message mb

[viral kraken]

they are only more powerful if the dm does not fix that, and if you as dm don't want to do the work of balancing the power of the rest of the party out, then that is valid, it is just something that you need to communicate to them

[mystic crystal]

He’s gotta have a dump stat. Focus your damage around that. Always add a caster that has spells that attack that weakness if you want the to keep the issue in game

[thorn osprey]

Also heard some people do "reverse AC" enemies, that you need to hit LESS than a certain range

[mystic crystal]

If you want to address the issue with the player, pull em aside and let them know that play style is acceptable with the current game.

99% of the time any issue I’ve ever had at D&D has been solved with a simple conversation

[lean wigeon]

from what im hearing so far, this is an above table issue, not an in-game issue

i just think you can't really have powergamers in the same party as non-powergamers since there is conflict of interest between the two groups

[viral kraken]

i have not had problems with having powergamers and non-powergamers not working out together in 5e (tho earlier in my dming in 3.5 i did)

[stuck shuttle]

Minmaxing isn’t something that needs to be “countered” necessarily. Any build can be challenged, there is always a weakness that can provide opportunities for more tailored encounters.

[reef moat]

I understand. I guess my players just needed to grow up a bit then

[delicate owl]

What even is a minmax in this case? Like that's so vague and not the same as optimization.

[woven flint]

Someone minimizing stats they don't use and maximizing stats they will isn't powergaming.

It's literally just.. making a character lol

[stuck shuttle]

If a player is choosing to dedicate their resources towards a certain build they should be rewarded. If you just start only targeting their weaknesses then you’ve defeated the point of their investment. And I agree, minmaxing is an incredibly large spectrum of build theory

[reef moat]

idk I considered powergaming taking builds off the internet rather than making them up yourself. but I guess with a bit of effort anyone can mixman

[blissful ibex]

Min/Max is maximizing strengths and minimizing weaknesses; not necessarily stats

[reef moat]

MIXMAN LOL
my brain isnt braining
minmaxxx

[cedar bane]

just had another major revelation whilst writing knome is gonna kill me i love torturing this man with my insanity

[woven flint]

That's also true, but also it's not always a bad thing
Your class is gonna have weaknesses regardless

[thorn osprey]

OKAY, so the old stats and new ones remain the same; Just instead of being tied to the race--they're tied to the origins, I thought you get even more stats now lmao

[blissful ibex]

It's a multi layered approach to character building that's done on top of standard optimization

[woven flint]

Knome!
Ah, yes, my Knemesis

[mystic crystal]

Are they good In rp?

[cedar bane]

dw ive been kneeping him busy

[reef moat]

eeeeh.....
"can I seduce the slime"
level of rp

[delicate owl]

Powergaming isnt minmaxing. That's akin to optimization. Taking meme youtube builds off the internet isn't really playing the game imo, it's just doing something silly.

So I'd recommend talking to the player and asking them if they don't mind toning down the cheese, because no one else is doing it. If it's truly ruining the encounters for all others, including yourself.

[turbid vessel]

I find I have the most fun in DND when I lean into those weaknesses. If I'm playing a wizard, I feel pretty wizardlike if I don't take all the defensive spells, maybe just 1 or 2
Though I think it helps that I'm in a group of like-minded people

[woven flint]

Exactly

[mystic crystal]

🫢 ooof sorry bud hit them with a meteor swarm a couple times and move on lol

[reef moat]

idk once I played a campaign with roll stats and my dump stat was 15 and I was a wizard and I ended up as an AC 20 wizard at level 5 💀

[reef moat]

:)))

[mystic crystal]

Yeah but you still have like 8 hit points. So your not much of a threat

[valid geyser]

i remember people in my party thinking I was a minmaxer for just playing a fighter with great weapon master. I guess it's not fully untrue when other members of the party included a bard/rogue multiclass with enough levels to get subclasses in both, as well as a monk that just forgot to put in his subclass features, but someone else in the party liked that I made combats end really quick when it was needed, now more saying "i just know what feats to pick and what to do on my turn"

[viral kraken]

ya when i was a teen playing 3.5 i didn't understand the compelling narrative that weaknesses can create and didn't get why i would want to have weaknesses

[reef moat]

.....
idk who did the math but I had like 35 hp

anyway

[viral kraken]

and as a result my characters were not compelling in the least

[turbid vessel]

In my own perception:

Optimizing is just a concept on its own, not "good or bad." Most players do it at least a little bit
Powergaming is optimizing in a way to fulfill a power fantasy you have, and can be very obstructive depending on the table you're at

[valid geyser]

i guess in a way i build mostly optimized characters, but i also hate multiclassing and ive recently been playing kinda one note martials, so its not hard to get the best output with my builds

[mystic crystal]

Personal opinion, I absolutely refuse to make a character that isn’t good or exceptional in at least one aspect of his build.

If I wanted to be a Joeshmo that isn’t fun to play I’ll be a commoner, if your an adventurer you should be exceptional

[lean wigeon]

are all your characters laios

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, the way I see it, optimizing is doing things like making sure your CHA is your highest score as a Bard, Sorcerer or Warlock. That’s not a harmful thing to do.

[turbid vessel]

I played a blood hunter for a while that was really strong based on how he was built, and had few mechanical weaknesses to compare. So I amped up on the narrative weaknesses, and introduced a character trait that made for some of the most fun Ive ever had in combat; my character is distractible and easy to ragebait

[valid geyser]

now where would you get that idea from kobold

[turbid vessel]

Does being exceptional at being a jack of all trades count under your metric or is that too joeshmo for you

[valid geyser]

but no the fighter im playing is a teenage girl who really wants to be a witch

[vast saddle]

Is Orc Fighter 6 with Polearm Master + Great Weapon Master feats already really powerful? Tbh, I don't worry about my West Marches bookings thanks to the combo

[mystic crystal]

Jack of all trades but master of none. Jack of all trades is a fun concept. The party multi tool

[reef moat]

and uhh the tpk for most people, but irl.... How does one arrange sessions? what happens when someone doesnt come? with the lore i mean
and also what should one do when the players are asking "when session" but when I post a poll like "sunday X o'clock; Y o'clock; etc" no one answers?
do I need other players 😭

[blissful ibex]

Like, something as banal as a wizard taking fireball could technically be 'optimization', people blow the issue Way out of proportion

[turbid vessel]

It's like being athletic. Nothing bad on its own, probably good in most cases. But we've all encountered the people who make athleticism their entire personality and craps on everything else they disagree with. Optimizing is the same way

I've met some insufferable self-proclaimed "optimization experts"

[blissful ibex]

not really, no

[mystic crystal]

HOW DARE YOU TAKE FIREBALL! YOU SON OF A GNOLL

[blissful ibex]

certain people who optimize are like this, not not optimization as a whole

[lean wigeon]

i wonder if draw steel fixes this
like, what if you just force players to have their highest scores be in their main stat, so we don't get Borg the Orc wizard with 8 INT
PbtA playbooks type shit

[blissful ibex]

that's more an issue with the player than that they're optimized

[turbid vessel]

Check my previous message and you'll see that that's the exact point I'm making

[valid geyser]

theres a guy in a party im in who is kinda annoying about being anti optimization. I remember them complaining about paladins sucking and intentionally not using divine smite/using the other smites in a really dumb way where they cast it at the end of their turn and hold the entire concentration

[heavy cloak]

"im having too much fun and whimsy in my game about doing fun and whimsy things"

[mystic crystal]

That’s more detrimental than the guy who has a YouTuber cheese build

[uncut zenith]

Yeah my personal issue with optimization/powergaming isn’t the practice itself, it’s the people who suggest that if you’re not optimizing/powergaming, you’re “playing the game wrong”.

[turbid vessel]

It's the people who view optimization as a 2d line spectrum of 'youre good at it or you're not," treating it like an objective metric when it's just as subjective as it is objective

[craggy summit]

I'd much rather have fun with my character then play an ultra meta optimized build

[heavy cloak]

100% agreeing with this one. believe me the dm has stuff to match the power of optimized characters

[heavy cloak]

you can do both

[uncut zenith]

I’m also of the mindsight that if someone wants to optimize/power game at the table, that should be something everybody at the table agrees to. In my experience, I’ve had players who power game and none of the other players at the table do, and it ends up feeling like main character syndrome.

[craggy summit]

Well trueeee but it's much more fun if you make a character how you want it to be instead of picking a certain race, class, subclass, background etc etc because it's "meta"

[mystic crystal]

As long as you build your character smart there no issue with how you play.

I’ve played with a warlock who dumped charisma and constitution because they didn’t read they didn’t read how warlocks work lol

[turbid vessel]

The moment someone brings up a "meta" in DND I immediately stop listening.

[viral kraken]

ABDC, always be dumping con. it's the optimal way to get to play the most characters per campaign

[heavy cloak]

idk about older rules but in 5e the races dont really matter and (most) subclasses have their strong suits. you can play pretty much anything you would like

[mystic crystal]

There’s a meta in D&D? My Halfling gunslinger gambler would say other wise. Do you know how emasculating to climb on the bar stool like a toddler every time you want an ale?

[turbid vessel]

A Glengarry Glen Ross reference in the year 2026, what a time to be alive

[heavy cloak]

if a party is optimized the dm should just optimize as well

[valid geyser]

there was a point when they made a level 10 fighter with 40 hp and only one attack because they forgot crossbow expert (it was meant to be a tag along NPC they controlled and they built her rather quickly)
I remember feeling really weird when they said that they probably would have an actual panic attack if that character died (in response to a multiattack that definitely wouldve one hit killed that NPC) but that seems like a different topic more on the person themselves that i dont wanna go into here

[mystic crystal]

I just pick the coolest looking monster what ever happens happens

[blissful ibex]

The DM's job it to literally modulate the difficulty of the encounter based on the story /party; so yes XD

[heavy cloak]

exactly and it can aboslutely be towards the weaknesses of the party

[mystic crystal]

Dm: “I cast fireball, I’m gonna need Boblin the goblin to make a dex saving throw”

Everyone blame Tony for this

[blissful ibex]

enemies can be smart too,, and the BBEG might just hire minions that pressure certain weaknesses if they're aware of them

[heavy cloak]

would test the party's creativity and if they can find a unique way to get out of that situation it would be fun

[thorn wedge]

Optimizing past a certain point is kinda pointless, and is generally counterproductive to the game. Best case scenario it vastly limits the amount of possible builds, makes your dm work much harder, and makes some kinds of encounters impossible to run.

A better goal should be to have an enjoyable and interesting build that compliments your character. Bonus points if it’s roughly at the same power level as the rest of the party.

[valid geyser]

yeah as a DM i dont wanna only use monsters with teleportation if the party is just using wall of force all the time

[viral kraken]

i just realized tomorrow's session might be the perfect time to deploy a tarrasque

[mystic crystal]

I support this, update us after the session

[void abyss]

"i've seen enough. 20 tarrasques"

[turbid vessel]

As I say a lot, people in this hobby have a tendency to miss the forest for the trees

[blissful ibex]

I go full tilt optimization into a MAD MC utility/support caster

that way she's basically always at the same Combat Power as the party

[nimble dew]

Thank you!!

[thorn wedge]

I get the appeal of making a strong character or trying to win by being more efficient or smarter than other players. In video games and some other stuff it’s fun. DnD just isn’t really that kind of game.

[mystic crystal]

Guys I’ve spent the last 20 sessions putting my 3 foot gunslinger in situations to get him self killed and I haven’t died yet.

This has done numbers for the image he has of himself and his gambling addiction

[heavy cloak]

thats alot of feet to sling around

[mystic crystal]

It’s one more than usual, I don’t see it as “ALOT” and he’s hurt you would judge him for his differences

[void abyss]

are you playing 2024phb

[mystic crystal]

Yeah with the valdas gunslinger class

[void abyss]

and your character has a gambling addiction

[mystic crystal]

Hell yeah! (High roller subclass)

[silk acorn]

Can someone answer a warlock specific question about eldritch smite? It states 1d8 PLUS another 1d8 per level of the spell slot. But it says at the top to expend a slot. Does this mean a 1st level spell slot gives 2d8?

[void abyss]

what does this mean

[mystic crystal]

I’m confused on your confusion.

[silk acorn]

Google says it is in fact 2d8 base

[void abyss]

idk i can't find anything about any gunslinger subclass, tbh i didn't know gunslinger was a thing until like a couple days ago when my friend said he'd want to play it

[silk acorn]

Neat

[valid geyser]

hypothetically itd be 2d8 but eldritch smite couldnt be used with a 1st level pact slot since you get it at level 5

[mystic crystal]

Oh the gambling addiction isn’t an actual thing. It’s just a self imposed flaw I’ve placed on my self for giggles. The high roller subclass is built around gambling so that’s the one I took for my character

[mystic crystal]

The gunslinger class I’m playing is in “Gunslinger class Valdas spire of secrets” the book by mage hand press.

[silk acorn]

Arent all spell slots pact slots? Im confused

[mystic crystal]

I would imagine it’s 2d8

[valid geyser]

pact slots are warlock specific. Warlocks only get spell slots of the highest level available up to 5th level

eldritch smite specifies pact magic slot. so a wizard with warlock levels couldnt use their wizard spell slots on it

[silk acorn]

so if im only a warlock I can?

Wdym we only get our highest spell slots?

Like you cant use 1st level spells anymore?

[valid geyser]

you can, but you have to upcast them

[halcyon bison]

Eldritch smite is interesting to me because it means warlocks are just better at smiting than paladins in 2024. It doesn’t take a bonus action, progresses faster, works at range, and does a better damage type. Pretty much only downside is they can’t do it as often

[valid geyser]

where a 5th level wizard would have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd slots, a 5th level warlock just has a few 3rd level slots, but they get those slots back at a short rest

[valid geyser]

not really, eldritch smite is not that good

[lavish flame]

Warlocks always cast their levelled apells at the highest level they have available. A level 9 Warlock always casts all of their levelled spells using a 5th level slot, even their 1st and 2nd level spells.

[void abyss]

wait all in is kinda broken

[silk acorn]

Didnt know this.... So spells that cant be upslotted cant be used anymore like shield?

[lavish flame]

You can, all spells can be upcasted

[valid geyser]

you can use them, they just dont have an extra effect for the slot

[halcyon bison]

It doesn’t have to be good, an individual eldritch smite is still superior to an individual paladin smite

The thing is paladins have more smites which makes up for it

[silk acorn]

Im dizzy... extra efect?

[valid geyser]

not really. a 3rd level eldritch smite and 2nd level divine smite are equal in damage. Also just general warlock opportunity cost brings it down

[silk acorn]

i always play bard so this warloclk stuff is new to me

[halcyon bison]

But the eldritch smite has all the other advantages i listed

[valid geyser]

as in the extra damage from upcasting and stuff

[lavish flame]

Some spells get an extra benefit when you use a higher level slot for them. Fireball does more dice of damage when you use a higher slot, Polymorph can target an extra target when you use a higher slot. Shield doesn't get any extra benefits from being cast using a higher slot, but you can still use a higher slot for it.

[valid geyser]

it does. but i realize were arguing about different things.

[silk acorn]

I am aware of upcasting

I'm just lost on how it impacts eldritch smite and why i wouldnt be able to use a 1st level spell slot for it

at 5th level

[halcyon bison]

Sorry for the confusion :<

[cerulean monolith]

Because Warlocks don't have 1st level spell slots from 3rd level onwards

[valid geyser]

it's fine, it just took me a minute to understand you werent arguing for eldritch smite being a better ability, instead it just having a couple of extra things

[silk acorn]

so at 5th level how many spell slots do i get o.o

[severe rampart]

Two pact slots

[silk acorn]

idk how i missed this but thank you

[severe rampart]

Yeah they're always upcasted to max

[halcyon bison]

You can use lower level spells that don’t get extra effective from being upcast with a higher level spell slot, it’s just at a higher cost
So you can totally cast shield with a 5th level spell slot, you just might not want to
In the case of eldritch smite, you don’t have and 1st level spell slots so you can only do it at 5th level (which is better than doing it at 1st level anyways)

[silk acorn]

no wonder yall are always eldritch blastin

I understand now I just missed that spell slots get removed as you level

[mystic crystal]

Which one is that

[valid geyser]

yeah the class encourages you to use your spell slots on long effect stuff unless you know youre gonna get a short rest right after

[severe rampart]

not removed, upgraded

[halcyon bison]

Personally I’m really sad that warlock has so few spell slots :<

[severe rampart]

I'm not

[silk acorn]

Do I ever get more at high level

[severe rampart]

It makes it unique

[jolly canyon]

Can I get a short rest?

[silk acorn]

or is it always 2

[void abyss]

oh nvm i misread, but it's adding your risk die to any ability check or saving throw or attack roll if you don't roll a 1

[valid geyser]

at level 10 or so you get three

[halcyon bison]

But I think full spell progression might be too powerful with invocations on the side

[severe rampart]

Third at 11, fourth at level 17 iirc?

[jolly canyon]

Cleric, can you cast that short rest spell pls

[mystic crystal]

Yeah but you get limited dice and they’re more useful in combat than rp

[halcyon bison]

It is unique, but its unique in a way that makes it so you have less things you can do

[severe rampart]

Not really, no

Invocations.

[void abyss]

i take it back liar's dice is broken and hilarious

[severe rampart]

It's why the invocations are "you can cast x spell for free"

[void abyss]

just lie to the DM for fun

[odd valley]

back in my day, those invocations needed you to use a spell slot

[valid geyser]

yeah a lot of invocations just, were not that good

it was always like "at level 14 you can use a warlock spell slot to cast a third level spell with no upcast benefit once per long rest"

[halcyon bison]

But invocations don’t really solve my problem with it! Especially when some of them are geared specifically towards doing the same thing over and over again (specifically the ones that buff one cantrip)

And a lot of the invocations are very fun but just aren’t enough for me

[severe rampart]

You regain pact slots on a short rest, unless your DM is cruel you'll be fine

[halcyon bison]

It probably didn’t help that most of my DnD experience is at a game store where most adventures are unconnected one shots where its assumed you get a long rest between

[severe rampart]

Also, yeah, Eldritch Blast is getting used over and over because it's the best cantrip

[severe rampart]

Probably, yeah

[valid geyser]

in the end the party should be the one controlling when to short rest. But I do get it if your DM just decides you get one combat a day its not gonna seem as effective

[halcyon bison]

I’m trying a 8 hour short rest 1 week long rest system at the table I’m running
Only been to session 0 so far so it remains to be seen if we like it or not

[severe rampart]

oh god

[mystic crystal]

It’s really fun if the DM calls you out but if they don’t it gets kinda boring

[valid geyser]

that rule is mostly good if your campaign involves a lot of travel, so wilderness encounters actually matter

[void abyss]

that's when you just gotta be like "i got a nat 20" every time bc then it starts making them check, right?

[mystic crystal]

Negative you don’t bluff if you hit. You bluff your damage

[void abyss]

it says attack roll, ability check or saving throw tho so i think it is if you hit?

or is that a rule you have with your DM

[mystic crystal]

That’s risk dice.

Liars dice is specifically a damage roll

[severe rampart]

I'm sorry what are we talking about?

[odd valley]

gunslinger subclass apparently

[severe rampart]

is that third party?

[void abyss]

"LIAR'S DICE
Also at 3rd level, when you make an ability check, attack roll, or saving throw, you can roll the d20 in secret and declare any result you wish. If the GM chooses to call your bluff, reveal the number rolled on the d20. If you were telling the truth, treat the result as if you rolled a 20. If you were telling a lie, roll the d20 again and use the lower of the two rolls. If the GM chooses not to call your bluff, you use the result you declared regardless of what you rolled.
You can choose to roll in secret a number of times equal to 1 + your Charisma modifier (a minimum of once), and you regain all expended uses when you finish a long rest."

it does not specify damage roll

[jolly canyon]

Yee

[mystic crystal]

Level 3: Liar’s Dice [Maneuver]
When you make a damage roll with a Ranged weapon, you can expend one Risk Die as a Bonus Action and declare it to be a hidden roll. Roll the damage in secret and declare any total you wish. The GM has the option to call your bluff, in which case you reveal the damage dice you rolled. This has different consequences based on whether or not you lied.
The GM Calls Your Bluff; You Lied. The damage you deal is halved.
The GM Calls Your Bluff; You Told the Truth. The damage you deal is doubled.
The GM Doesn’t Call Your Bluff. Use the total damage you declared, even if you rolled a different total.

[void abyss]

where do you find this

[mystic crystal]

I’m not seeing that on D&D beyond hmm

[mystic crystal]

In the book I bought

[void abyss]

maybe i'm on an old version

it's from 2021, right?

[mystic crystal]

I dont think so it came out in the Valdas spire of secrets

Not sure when the book dropped

[void abyss]

can i dm you

[mystic crystal]

Yeah go ahead

[jolly canyon]

This is #third-party party but I own the book and I don't think that d20 liars dice exists. I don't see it anywhere. Could be wrong

I only see it for damage

[meager fractal]

like it seems fun on paper but would slow down the game too much one would think

[uncut zenith]

Idk if anybody’s mentioned this but there are two “Gunslingers” in DDB. One of a fighter subclass designed by Critical Role which I believe is free, the other is a full third party class that’s available in Valda’s Spires of Secrets and is not free

[jolly canyon]

Oh I did not know that

Maybe that's what the confusion is ?

[uncut zenith]

So if you’re talking about the full class which isn’t free and you only have access to the CR subclass, you’re looking at two completely different beasts

[remote wadi]

Mage Hand Press

[void abyss]

nah i'm definitely looking at valda's spires of secrets. i think i'm just looking at the outdated version

[mystic crystal]

I’m thinking it’s the original drop but they have updated since

[void abyss]

seems that is the case

[jolly canyon]

Had no idea there was an old version! Good to know just in case

[meager fractal]

It's the high-roller's 3rd level ability

[mystic crystal]

Yeah,

[void abyss]

sorry for the confusion

[jolly canyon]

It happens! This channel doesn't talk #third-party much ever. I'm sure had this conversation happened in that channel it'll have been cleared up easier

[lavish flame]

I really wish it was Proficiency Bonus scaling

[fathom gate]

Infront of you. You see a door

[meager fractal]

I check for traps

[fathom gate]

You are almost confident that there’s no traps

[meager fractal]

i let the barbarian go first

[jolly canyon]

The warlock asks for a short rest before going in

[fathom gate]

The barbarian pulls the handle and it doesn’t open

[meager fractal]

"try pushing" i shout encouragingly

[jolly canyon]

The rogue rolls a 27 sleight of hand roll. He's only lvl 4

[void abyss]

i mage hand open the door from afar

[fathom gate]

He pushes the door and it opens, revealing the one thing you were looking for

The end of this scenario

[mystic crystal]

I cast a 9th level fireball

[void abyss]

son 😭😭😭

[fathom gate]

But…this is a level 3 one shot checks notes frantically

[mystic crystal]

A party with no scheduling conflicts that also rps well?

[severe rampart]

oh hey, I have that

[mystic crystal]

Ummm actually In my back story I was given an unlimited 9th level spell scroll by my father who’s the greatest wizard of all time who married a goddess. Also that’s 906.5 damage.

[fathom gate]

Everyone make a dex save

[void abyss]

.5 😭

[mystic crystal]

That’s a fail my save is 56

[fathom gate]

What did you get on your dex save

[meager fractal]

roll for initiative, but the three in the front give me dexterity saving throws

[mystic crystal]

Ima evocation wizard I sculpted it around my self

[meager fractal]

Smart!

[fathom gate]

The mimic you guys walked into casts counterspell at 17th level

[mystic crystal]

Umm actually DM my backstory says my spells can’t be counter-spelled because my mom is the goddess of magic

[fathom gate]

You’re forgetting something

Im stupid

[mystic crystal]

Did you even read my backstory that said I’m the most handsome, strongest wizard to ever exist and I can’t be killed ever

[fathom gate]

Okay the scenario should probably stop because this is just rp at this point

[void abyss]

the sorcerer casts uses tides of chaos to get advantage, fails the save anyway

[mystic crystal]

That’s it I’m posting this one R/rpghorrorstories

[fathom gate]

You die of 1d4 backstory damage

[mystic crystal]

Mommy help 😭

[fathom gate]

Take 2 damage

[mystic crystal]

What’s sad is we’ve all probably met someone like the wizard I have portrayed

[fathom gate]

Luckily i havent been in enough games to play with someone like that but i wanna play more campaigns with people

[void abyss]

same. i hear a ton of horror stories on like reddit/YT about it but never seen one irl

[fathom gate]

Mostly because i only play dnd games with my close friends

[mystic crystal]

I did an online game one time and someone was basically a god that forgot her memories but had all her power and the dm approved it. Letting her use all the abilities lol

My only argument was “How did she remember she could do that?” LOL

[void abyss]

are we fr who is approving that

dm paid actor

[fathom gate]

I want to get in a game so i can play my dwarf cleric

He casts inflict wounds by pulling out alcohol or salt and rubbing it in the persons wounds

[void abyss]

are you IRL only player

[severe rampart]

Lemon Juice

[fathom gate]

Yes but thats only because im antisocial and too scared to ask in the lfg thing

[fathom gate]

Why didnt i think of that. Thanks echo

[void abyss]

can i dm u

[fathom gate]

Sure

[haughty drum]

Hey guys, I want to start a new dnd based on "Dead Space" but I dont know how to start.
Can you guys help me?

[meager fractal]

I dunno what dead space is

[haughty drum]

the videogame

[shut lance]

Art the clown approved

[mystic crystal]

Buddy had a crush lol

[void abyss]

🫩🫩

that's awesome

[strong wave]

So I got my stats and skills and saving. Throws done now I don't know what to do next I'm making a level 6 champion fighter

How do I know what kind of talents and traits to pick

[stuck shuttle]

Your class table will tell you the features you get at each level. #character-discussion is a great place to ask for help deciding where a feature has multiple options (e.g. fighting style)

[unreal turret]

What are the multiple options?

[stuck shuttle]

It depends on the class. Fighter, for example, will give you a choice of Fighting Style feat and weapon masteries at level 1

[unreal turret]

Oh, OK. So the more level you move up the more options you’ll have.

[stuck shuttle]

Generally yes. As you level up you’ll acquire the features listed on your class table

[cloud bison]

okay when is the hexhaven sourcebook?

[empty thicket]

and armor too if im not wrong

[stuck shuttle]

Fighters already get proficiency in all armor, it’s not a “choice” in the same way you’d select a fighting style

[woven flint]

Its only a choice regarding what armor you wanna wear

[stuck shuttle]

Some classes do get the option of getting more armor proficiencies at level one. Namely cleric and druid

[stoic haven]

The urge to run a star wars themed one shot is growing

[empty thicket]

The modest 37gp in my pocket: "Yeah, your choice chump ;P"

[woven flint]

Medium Armor wearing fighters are strange to me

Either go all in (Heavy)
Or
Take it down a notch (Light)

Or, the Chad route

Don't wear armor

[shut lance]

I had a medium armor wearing cleric (half plate)

[empty thicket]

im using some splint armor, look good and feel good but i was mostly using medium before, a scale shirt

[stoic haven]

So, I've played around in D&D a lot, and I would like to hear yall's thoughts on the gp system and how much an average yearly salary would be for a farmer, a knight (cavalry of the lord of the land), and some other jobs

[woven flint]

Well, yeah, that makes sense for Cleric

But not for Fighter imo

[shut lance]

true true for fighter medium armor is a compromise. Pick a side

[woven flint]

If you want to do a Dex invested fighter, just use light armor and get bang for your buck, same with heavy armor and strength

Smh.

[empty thicket]

If there was more factors for the armors.
Like extra speed or higher STR requirements

[woven flint]

Medium armor can be okay for dex fighters with the Medium Armor Master feat, but why bother wasting a feat on that.

[empty thicket]

figter already get some extas ASI so its okey spending some on stuff like that

the thing is, picking something that work now and later

like if i pick dual wielder would close my options in some ways

[woven flint]

Heavy Armor master is the only armor master feat I'd consider, personally

[primal wolf]

depends on how high your dex is, halfplate with 14 dex is 17AC, studded leather with 18 dex is 16 AC.

[woven flint]

Yeah, but with heavy or light armor you don't NEED to invest a feat

I'm kinda just being silly about it, really lol

[long violet]

Hey I just started dnd as a player any one shots I can participate in

[primal wolf]

plus you want to invest in your damage feats as a fighter

[woven flint]

Wear what armor you want, but I'll be disappointed in you if you wear medium armor /joking

[empty thicket]

or survival, or utility, or other many

[minor cargo]

I would probably put a farmer at modest or poor, which requires 1 gp and 2 sp per day. So about 365 gp per year or 73 gp per year. This tracks generally with how I run my games: if you offer a farmer 100 gp, that's a huge amount of money, but probably not enough for them to risk their lives (though it might be for some).
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/phb-2024/equipment#Services

Knights I would have at comfortable or wealthy: 2 gp and 4 gp a day respectively.

[empty thicket]

better saves of a kind
Higher tolerance to some stuff
etc. etc.

[primal wolf]

usually I'd recommend taking those later on, fighter needs some of their feats just to function first

[empty thicket]

any of the options is good at the end

mostly see what you lack and what your team cant give

or what you can upgrade for your team too

you can take sentinel to stop the feets of the enemies
Tough to take more damage and make your allies take care of themselves more
Any movement related feat for get closer to the enemies and obliterate them

[nimble dew]

Quick question is dnd now more popular in like playing it online? Or sum ppl are still interested in Classic Game?😣

[crimson gulch]

in person is still very popular

i run in person 4 times a week, and online 3

[nimble dew]

Ooo thank you!

[jolly canyon]

Even the people who play mostly online say in person is still better me :(

[minor cargo]

Yup, though I'll say that I think online play has gotten more popular than it has in the past. I don't think it's a stretch to say that online games are more accessible to a lot of people compared to in-person.

[tidal locust]

I am the guy. Hello I'm new

[nimble dew]

Cuz i got so many ,,books” and card and i really dont know if ppl would buy

[jolly canyon]

Ahh trying to sell your old books? Maybe #dnd-advertisements

Not sure if you can do that here but worth a shot

[nimble dew]

Well Dunno yet what to do w them Cuz i got them from a friend who was working w the like whole business yk?

[chilly narwhal]

I assume players are exceptional and their income level is out of whack in comparison to a farmer. A farmer doesn’t pay to stay at an inn every night, they have stocks of food and cook for themselves. I consider players similar to tourists in that they spend way more money per day than locals.

Farmers are not historically paid with salary, so I could not give you an answer beyond "however much they made from their harvest." To actually answer your question, I assume farmers get 5-10 gp per year of crops. I assume they save money and only spend when in need.

Knights tended to have fiefs so I would add that onto the knight salary. They would need enough to maintain their horse, armor, any squires or pages, and lifestyle (including servants). I usually put it at 100-300 gp per year. A knight probably has to travel a few times a year which is why it’s so high. They need to be able to stay at an inn or eat food.

[tidal locust]

Huh.

[nimble dew]

And he just got many stuff and gave them to me + MTG stuff too

[chilly narwhal]

What is confusing?

[tidal locust]

Everything.

[chilly narwhal]

What do you mean? Would you mind being specific, I’d like my answer to be clear so it’ll be helpful if you can be specific.

[tidal locust]

Idk I literally just joined. Don't even have a character I don't know how stuff works

[jolly canyon]

Oh. You interjected onto a conversation. Nothing wrong with that of course. That's why you're confused.

[viral kraken]

have you checked out #learn-to-play or #dnd-newcomers ?

[jolly canyon]

Hermes posted a question and Calico answered

[chilly narwhal]

I am answering a question someone asked on money npcs have. My answer was assuming the asked had read the dmg and player guide. My answer was not player facing so I wouldn’t worry about it at all.

[tidal locust]

Oh mb

[lavish flame]

Online play is really nice, but there is nothing that will replace being in a room with my friends and having a good time.

[jolly canyon]

Np! You're allowed to participate in conversations!

[chilly narwhal]

I recommend looking through the resources listed in the server and googling for resources for anything you don’t understand. I also recommend buying the player’s guide if you can afford it. Don’t worry about interjecting. I love to answer questions!

[woven flint]

You know, it's probably been done ad infinitum
But I really wanna play a Yuan-Ti Enchantment Wizard one day 🧐
I JUST realized how fun the idea would actually be lmao

[minor cargo]

Don't forget the basic rules. They're free - and you can totally play a game (or even a campaign) using just them!

[severe rampart]

The urge to play a monk is now overtaking my body

[woven flint]

do it.

[chilly narwhal]

Totally! DnD doesn’t have to cost anything

[woven flint]

give into the urge, join us MONKLERS

Monk all over the place

[jolly canyon]

The urge to play literally anything consumes me. New player struggles

[nimble dew]

Thank you for answer 🙂‍↕️ i lit know nothing abt all of that lmao, also how is secret liar connected to dnd? Cuz i have some card boxes that say ,,secret liar x dnd honor among thieves „

[severe rampart]

Yup yup... Tabaxi Monk yes yes...

I need to play it

[woven flint]

I've played every class at least once, some a bit more than others, so now I have ideas brewing 🧐

[chilly narwhal]

My favorite class is definitely cleric. I love the diversity of play

[woven flint]

Cleric is my second favorite under Monk
I'm a sucker for punching things as much as I love Cleric lol

[chilly narwhal]

Although I play any class, as I’m often the dm and will take anything lol

[jolly canyon]

I've played a bit of cleric and like 2 sessions of arti. I wanna play Druid soooo bad

[chilly narwhal]

Druids are awesome! I bet you’ll love it

[jolly canyon]

Loved it in BG3 so I'm sure I'll love it in dnd

[chilly narwhal]

I loved bg3. I actually played it with my dad lmao

[severe rampart]

is Mercy Monk fun?

[jolly canyon]

I'm the classic "Hey I like bg3 so I wanted to try dnd" player

[woven flint]

My next Druid might be a Stars or Sea Druid.
That depends on if my Cleric dies or retires... Waterdeep Shenanigans
My idea is a Sahuagin flavored as a Kuo-Toa whomst was a part of the Xanathars Guild

[jolly canyon]

It's why im here lol

[woven flint]

One of my favorite Monk subclasses, but the only way it really plays differently from normal monk is healing capabilities

[chilly narwhal]

Really? That’s amazing! I love how many players were inspired. Have you played DnD before, or just bg3?

Monks are awesome

I love every class except warlock

[woven flint]

Mercy Monk is also more fun if you play a "Turn the other cheek" type of character.
Don't be a Pacifist, but be willing to forgive and forget

[jolly canyon]

Just bg3. I started 3 months ago as the DM for my friend group until I found a westmarch group here using #find-a-game

[chilly narwhal]

Yes!! It’s great for my character who was a very loud and willing to throw down but also very forgiving.

[jolly canyon]

I'm a DM/Player for the westmarch. Different DMs at different times and what not

[fossil shuttle]

Currently giving my warlock Mage Slayer and Crusher

[chilly narwhal]

Do you prefer west march or standard play?

[woven flint]

I had an Orc Mercy Monk
His name was Yurukarth.
He refused to kill people, but he'd kick your ass to try and see eye-to-eye with you, but he'd never kill you, even if others say you deserve it.

[chilly narwhal]

I’ve always liked standard play. I enjoy the chaos of it

[jolly canyon]

As a DM I prefer normal campaign. As a player I can't compare since it's the only way I've played so far.

[chilly narwhal]

Those characters are so fun. The dynamic with the party is always cool.

[chilly narwhal]

Mhm! I love dming normal campaigns

[jolly canyon]

I am hoping to one day be a player in a campaign. For now this westmarch is fun!

[chilly narwhal]

Honestly I hate talking in this server because I always want to try a campaign with the people here lmao

[lavish flame]

Secret lair is the Magic the Gathering thing, right? They've done MTG × D&D crossovers before, as both MTG and D&D are owned by Wizards of the Coast. There's a few D&D books that detail MtG worlds as D&D settings for use in ur game.

[jolly canyon]

When I'm ready I will make another #find-a-game post but this will be likely months from now. Maybe many months

[woven flint]

I have a Warforged Pugilist that doesn't like killing people
Not because it goes against any morality he has, but it goes more against his training as a former member of Eberrons Martial Sentinels, he was a lawbringer at some point in his life lol

[chilly narwhal]

Fr!

[jolly canyon]

What group is Martial Sentinels from????

[woven flint]

House Denith in Eberron

[jolly canyon]

I DM eberron so I'm curious