dnd-discussion

[rough basalt]

State of my two campaigns
Monday: Currently with a group of half giants heading to the nearest town to bury some soldiers of another faction in the country cause they don't believe their bodies will be recovered otherwise.
Wednesday: Caught an enchanter blood mage woman behind the intro quest, but she had an ominous thing to say on the matter.

[feral fulcrum]

Ominous Vague Bullcrap is Ominious Vague Bullcrap.

[rough basalt]

True.

I feel my creativity block kinda subsiding now thankfully

[knotty vine]

Just drink red bull and you'll be able to type away

[karmic heath]

Dwarf or Elf

[umbral girder]

Halfling

[rough basalt]

Never had it and prob never will

[umbral girder]

Based

[knotty vine]

I dont drink it either

[rough basalt]

Might run the adventure in FR book that has a Blob of Annihilation in it

I wanna use ole blobby

[knotty vine]

Bad for the kidneys

I do ponder, can I commit such script within this very place?

[still plover]

Dwarf. We need more dwarves.

[stray sage]

how useful is the sleep spell?

[still plover]

Super! But mostly at low levels, I understand.

[fair summit]

Against low health targets, a great spell. No-save instant knock out for 1 minute
Though yeah at higher levels the enemies are gonna have lot more health to work with, so you either need to get bunch of targets low, or a single target away from all other lower health creatures to only target them, so pretty situational spell

[still plover]

It's possibly better in 2024 rules as it hits a Wisdom save rather than HP, but has no upcasting available in return.

[scenic zinc]

It's significantly improved in '24

[still plover]

I always felt it was an odd one.

[scenic zinc]

Especially since it is now actually viable for much longer

[scenic zinc]

If other things in the game acted like it, it wouldn't have been as confusing of a spell. But to my knowledge nothing does.

[stray sage]

color spray

[scenic zinc]

Fair enough. Still kind of an outlier.

Looks like they also changed that one in '24

[cedar bane]

I love making super bad ms paint sketches of things

great for making a good image of locations

[umbral girder]

Ms paint boss fight time

[cedar bane]

painter boss fight

[scenic zinc]

This would be a great joke clair obscure reference

[cedar bane]

the ms paintress

[errant crag]

Thinking about a first level wizard spell to take with magic initiate

[wintry spindle]

what class are they?

[lavish flame]

Identify is pretty goated

[fossil hollow]

find familiar, shield, magic missile, detect magic, identify

[errant crag]

Cleric

[fossil hollow]

oh im also a fan of wardaway

[errant crag]

I'm a knowledge cleric so get identify and detect magic from domain

Shield might be the way to go

[umbral girder]

Unseen servant

Because nobody would see it coming

[wintry spindle]

i like Spellfire Flare

[errant crag]

I was considering taking that and find familiar with Ritual Caster (making the character at 4th level)

My spell list is very thicc

[wintry spindle]

find familiar works well with knowledge cleric

because of touch spells

[errant crag]

I'm gonna have a Bat familiar for 60ft of Blindsight

[wintry spindle]

and you can lay on hands on a distance

[errant crag]

I'm thinking he has like a mummified bat hanging from the thing he's using to tie his beard, and when he uses Find Familiar the ghostly spirit of the bat emerges from the mummifies bat in his beard

[wintry spindle]

you can cure wounds through your familiar

[errant crag]

I'm bringing Cure Wounds specifically for that

I think i'll take Shield thanks yall

[still plover]

Mage armour?

[errant crag]

I'm a Cleric I'll have 18 AC normally anyways

With my 14 dex and scale mail from my starting gold

Using a shield and dagger when I'm not spellcasting

He's using a Dagger because he's an evil cleric

[wintry spindle]

weird question why does that mean he has to use a dagger?

[errant crag]

He doesn't have to

But I'm choosing to because its cheap, I'm tracking carry weight, and have more dex than strength

[lavish flame]

cultists use daggers, thats just the iconic cultist weapon

[errant crag]

That too

Ritual blade etc

[hot marlin]

Daggers are cheap and easily concealed. You gotta give daggers some love

[errant crag]

1d4 weapon respecters rise up

[wintry spindle]

daggers got a good buf with the new nick weapon mastery

[errant crag]

My Dwarf Zealot Barbarian used dual light hammers and was a real powerhouse in the party

But he also had 20 strength and boots of striding and springing so

I should have had him use a light hammer and club to get Slow in there

[still plover]

Woah, back up. The ritual blade is for rituals.

[errant crag]

So true

He does have 5.5e Chill Touch from Magic Initiate for melee

[empty thicket]

Daggers are okey, the only problem i have with them is their giga low damage

1d4 feel bad even if you are able to do 1 more attack per action

[wintry spindle]

scimitars are pretty good alternative

[tame kelp]

I love Vortex Warp

[vestal mesa]

yo quck question

quick

[fossil hollow]

better to ask than ask to ask

[vestal mesa]

dual wielder at lvl 4 can i attack 3 times?

[atomic kayak]

Only if you have a Nick weapon

[fossil hollow]

as i said yesterday, yeah

[tame kelp]

Strixhaven's spells are really OP or Broken

[fossil hollow]

no

that wither spell sucks

[vestal mesa]

someone else was sayin no

[fossil hollow]

the only notable spell was just silvery barbs

[tame kelp]

How about Silvery Barb?

I keep warning my dm "Are you sure you want me to able to use Silvery Barb"

[fossil hollow]

everything else was fairly forgettable

[fossil hollow]

thats one spell.

[tame kelp]

and he said "yes."

Strixhaven is kind of Hogward-ahh campaign?

I'm not sure.

[cursive fox]

Silvery Barbs is hardly problematic. The worst it can do is slow down an encounter.

[fossil hollow]

its mtg's harry potter cash grab yes

yes, spend more spell slots

[vestal mesa]

ok if i can do 3 attacks with dual wielder and i have two weapon fighter does that mean all the extra attacks get the ability modifier added to them or only the one usin the nick

[wintry spindle]

only thing I don't like about silvery barbs is it creates this weird culture at the table where you don't announce if something was a crit or not

[still plover]

Ugh. Honestly, the lag it introduces is the major pain point for me, and I make DM rolls in the open.

[wintry spindle]

slows down a lot

[still plover]

Need some kind of inoffensive signal a player can raise if they want to SB a roll. I'm not taking a moment every time a die hits the table to ask if anyone wants to jump on it.

[wintry spindle]

when a co player picked silvery barbs the dm stopped saying it was a crit but had to wait to check if the player anted to SB

it's like yugioh "do you wanna counter" all the time

[still plover]

Or the time we did five player Magic and all brought out Blue decks, for fun!

[fiery nimbus]

I can't wait to hear something like
"WOTC partnered with your mother to bring your childhood photos to life as playable Magic the Gathering cards"

[vestal mesa]

ok if i can do 3 attacks with dual wielder and i have two weapon fighter does that mean all the extra attacks get the ability modifier added to them or only the one usin the nick anyone know?

[fossil hollow]

what does dual wielder say

[vestal mesa]

DW = You don’t add your ability modifier to the extra attack’s damage unless that modifier is negative.

TWF = When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of that attack if you aren’t already adding it to the damage.

[fiery nimbus]

Enhanced Dual Wielding. When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a weapon that has the Light property, you can make **one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn **with a different weapon, which must be a Melee weapon that lacks the Two-Handed property. You don’t add your ability modifier to the extra attack’s damage unless that modifier is negative.

[fiery nimbus]

TWF?

[fossil hollow]

two weapon fighting

[rough basalt]

ye its hogwarts

[fiery nimbus]

When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of that attack if you aren’t already adding it to the damage.

Looks like in the end you will be adding the damage @fiery nimbus

I just pinged myself

[rough basalt]

Naturally the college that uses Silvery Barbs is strixhavens version of Slytherin

[vestal mesa]

so the scimitar using the using the nick would get the ability mod added but the DW extra attack doesnt?

[knotty vine]

I will never respect whips

[rough basalt]

The evil spell would come from the jerk house

[fiery nimbus]

how the TWF says, if you don't add it already, add it

[fossil hollow]

it does. also #dnd-rules for future reference

[vestal mesa]

it does get added to all of them

[vestal mesa]

i will post there from now on

[fiery nimbus]

correct

unless you intend to throw this weapon

[vestal mesa]

i was yeah

lol

[fiery nimbus]

in this case we rule it as improvised weapon and it doesn't get the properties

[vestal mesa]

yeah dual wielder says Melee weapon i thought the dagger was melee but if your throwin it its a improvised weapon

[fossil hollow]

dagger can be thrown...

you just cant throw weapons in general with dw

[empty thicket]

yep, in the books there is tables that show you their properties
Some weapons have the throw prop and show their range and all that

daggers, javelins, spears, trident, etc.

[vestal mesa]

yeah daggers can be thrown but if they are thrown they are no longer a melee weapon ?

[empty thicket]

they are being used in a melee attack or in a range attack there?

[fossil hollow]

thrown attacks are a ranged attack made with a melee weapon

[vestal mesa]

DW says melee weapons

[fossil hollow]

the inverse to better explain is if you hit a guy with a gun, does that turn it into a melee weapon?

no, its just a melee attack with a ranged weapon

[empty thicket]

Example: hitting with the stock of a gun

[vestal mesa]

yeah so if i throw a dagger at a guy doesnt that mean its a ranged attack with a melee weapon then

[fossil hollow]

thats what i said yes

[empty thicket]

yeah

[vestal mesa]

so DW would work

Enhanced Dual Wielding. When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a weapon that has the Light property, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn with a different weapon, which must be a Melee weapon that lacks the Two-Handed property. You don’t add your ability modifier to the extra attack’s damage unless that modifier is negative

must be with a melee weapon

doesnt say a melee attack

[fossil hollow]

oh yeah, in that case you can throw

[vestal mesa]

haHAHA

[fossil hollow]

also, again #dnd-rules

[vestal mesa]

soz caps

yeah i get ya peace

[empty thicket]

he wanted to throw many daggers at the same time?

[rough basalt]

I like how some of the one page adventures in AiF give bastions as a reward

Mostly glad they're keeping them as a mainstay so far

[empty thicket]

AiF? what is that?

[rough basalt]

Adventures in Faerun

shouldve said fr guide

[fiery nimbus]

i was talking about Scimitar he was talking about

[rough basalt]

I also like how renown is being used more

[weak forge]

Heyyo, I'm someone interested in getting into d&d just that i have 0 ball knowledge of anything, can anyone walk me through 🙏
I have seen contents but 0 idea of how to play nor how things work

[silk hare]

I mean yeah, what exactly do u want to know

also check #dnd-newcomers

[weak forge]

Tbh just the important stuffs, how things work and stuff

[silk hare]

I mean start by reading the free basic rules, dnd for the most part is just a lot of reading and rules

[wintry spindle]

guys dnd pc idea: Farmboy human turned adventurer fighter

John Dungeon

[empty thicket]

mmmm.... which weapons he would mostly prefer?

[wintry spindle]

Hmmm

big sword?

[empty thicket]

i expect for being a farmboy some axe//trident would be

[wintry spindle]

I think he would think "all good adventurers use swords"

[woven flint]

My farm boy uses a Flail

[void crown]

hello

[ornate skiff]

John Dungeon is a crazy farmboy fighter is a classic tho, just accidentally becoming a legend by surviving everything

[ornate skiff]

hello

[wintry spindle]

baiscally Duncan the Tall

[ornate skiff]

Lol

[empty thicket]

"you see, at first i defended my cattles agaisnt some wolfs, boars and then someday an owlbear. It seems that killing one is pretty hard and all that so when i tried to sell its meat and feathers the adventurer guild came straight to me and asked me lots of stuff ya"

[severe rampart]

10 in every stat

[wintry spindle]

probably would dumb stat int

[empty thicket]

"So after explaining i killed it with my wood axe they were froze in place and offered me lots of gold, magic items and even one offered me some lands too for expand my farm, just signing some document about some sort of marriage or some weird stuff like that. Eventually i ended up doing adventures because it seems im giga good fighting monsters"

[void crown]

how you doing

[rigid flame]

hey guys if i use pact blade with conjunction of the spell hungering blade does that mean i get major temp hp????
its a sick loophole

[empty thicket]

wisdom was for animal handling isnt it?

[wintry spindle]

ye

[ornate skiff]

That’s actually a really good accidental hero setup. Farm life to straight-up owlbear problems is wild, and the guild just going, you’re coming with us, while he’s like, what did I do? is too funny. John Dungeon definitely feels like the kind of guy who’d become important just by existing and surviving things he shouldn’t

[wintry spindle]

wasnt the main guy in demonslayer a farm boy?

[empty thicket]

be welcome to use it like an origin story ngl

[ornate skiff]

Doing great, Hbu

[static anvil]

yo if i preorder ravenloft the horrors within on dndbeyond, i gotta buy it from a different site, so how do i get the digital part of the bundle?

[severe rampart]

Im unfamiliar, though, temp hp doesn't stack so I doubt it'd work

[empty thicket]

nope, it was a coal maker.
His parents were the people that make coal and sell it through the villages, things happened and etc. etc. etc.

[wintry spindle]

but they made charcoal?

[fossil hollow]

the wizards site is official

and its only if youre not in the us

[static anvil]

okay thank u<3 i HATE buying stuff online

[rigid flame]

if we use all the pact blade invocations thats like 30-40 necrotic damage per turn

[static anvil]

i indeed am not

[empty thicket]

yeah, there is ways to make charcoal and they made some to sell.
He was out selling some when the night that things changed, a neighbor told him to sleep at his place because was too late and the story start from there

[fossil hollow]

yeah, if you want the book on ddb, digital is the way to go. for the physical book, you can try hitting up local game stores when the early release is available

[severe rampart]

What level? Because that's not really that much

[static anvil]

nah im preordering it so i can get the cool cards and dm screen and dice and other stuff

[severe rampart]

Also I'm unfamiliar with the hungering blade spell, as I do not own the book

[fossil hollow]

fair nough. i think you get those if you only preorder digital

[empty thicket]

necrotic wasnt like radiant but just evil? same going if its too resisted or not

[static anvil]

so if i buy it on wizards ill have it on dnd beyond? sorry for the dumb questions, im not very good with this stuff </3

[ornate skiff]

That actually works really well as an origin, ngl farm life, why is the guild here? is such a smooth escalation, and I love that he’s not even trying. It just keeps happening to him. Also, I’m curious, how would you run the guild here? Like, are they recruiting him or just watching like this guy is a problem but useful?

[rigid flame]

level six add the hexblade subclass to that and the darkness spell with elven accuracy so you are bound to crit every turn that may rack it up to 50dmg with 50 tmp hp everyturn

[rough basalt]

Looking forward to the Ravenloft book.

[stuck shuttle]

Best to discuss it in #third-party since Crooked Moon isn’t official. I’m curious about what features you’re using to amp the necrotic damage

[rigid flame]

add the great weapon mastery to that should rampup even more

[severe rampart]

What does the hungering blade spell say?

[rigid flame]

say gain temp hp equal to the damage dealt does specify the spell damge or the weapon damage

[rigid flame]

wanted to ask here to make sure if its an actual loophole i found or im being stupid

[severe rampart]

That sounds unbalanced

And yeah what Star said

[rigid flame]

pact of blade

[rigid flame]

you can basically make your basic weapon damge be either nec,psy or radiant

[silk hare]

sry what are we using here ?

[stuck shuttle]

It seems like it’d be good for lower levels. I expect it to fall off when it starts eating into your limited pact magic slots

A 3rd party unofficial spell

[silk hare]

ah, I see

[rigid flame]

could be paired with shadow of moil and shield to make sure attacks never hit you

[silk hare]

I mean for a third party "exploit", thats really tame and theres plenty of workarounds

[empty thicket]

At first they wanted to just ask what happened and where he found the owlbear body, he would say he slayed it with his axe and at first they wouldnt trust him so someone strong of the guild would Strongly handshake his hand, finding out he is really really strong.
Realizing that he Fr took down an owlbear with an wood axe alone, getting amazed and after some intern talk offer him to work for them and use that strength for something bigger, help people.
Wont see him like a danger because people around would talk good about him and they would kinda know him, like one provider of farm stuff

[rigid flame]

lmao fair

i just though its a very cool tactic

[severe rampart]

Shadows and Banshees, yum

[silk hare]

I mean IF (and thats a big IF) your dm even allows that spell

[silk hare]

exactly lol, or anything with life drain

[severe rampart]

And necrotic resistance/immunity

[stuck shuttle]

The combo is still fairly resource heavy. Granted you get your pact magic slots back faster but still

[silk hare]

personally, if you sent me a spell that just deals damage and gives you temp HP for how much damage you dealth, that would be an instant nope

[silk hare]

I mean if u coffeelocke it maaaaaaybe

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah ok fair fair lol

[silk hare]

but even then theres better stuff to do

[empty thicket]

After some tests, firm some papers and other things, he would became an adventurer because
A) Good paid
B) ITs funny and he is enjoying a more epic life (Enjoying the adrenaline)
c) Can change the peace of his life and even see new places

[rigid flame]

the spells usually give you about 4-8 temp health not counting the pact blade exploit

[silk hare]

whats the exact wording?

[severe rampart]

Honestly I feel like farmboy would be an adventurer because he has a hero's heart

[rigid flame]

You imbue a weapon you are holding, or your Unarmed Strikes, with ravenous negative energy. For the duration, when you hit a creature with an attack using the empowered weapon or Unarmed Strike for the first time on a turn, the target takes Necrotic damage equal to your spellcasting ability modifier, and you gain a number of Temporary Hit Points equal to the Necrotic damage dealt.

[silk hare]

• theres plenty of ways to deal a lot of damage with melee attacks
• if you can buff teammates, martials easily dish out 20+ per attack after certain lvls

[severe rampart]

He wants to protect the people around him, though he's not strong, his heart is in the right place

[silk hare]

whats the duration

and target?

[empty thicket]

Imagine visiting his farm and see him carry a whole cow on his soulder with not so much problem, because the cowy friend got sleepy under the sun

[rigid flame]

1 min

target is self

[empty thicket]

yeah, something like that but unaware of how strong he is

[silk hare]

tbh thats kinda vague, imo RAI this means you only get temp HP = to your spAM

[severe rampart]

16 strength, 15 con, 10 in everything else, John Dungeon

[woven flint]

A bit in Wisdom as well because Farmers are "wise"

[silk hare]

even IF you make your normal weapon attacks necrotic, those would then also be 2 seperate instances of necrotic damage being dealt, therefore overriding any ridiculous amount of tHP you would have gained anway

[empty thicket]

can even make him crack some jokes from time to time and then do like Spiderman and someday give the other party POV of him.
That his presence sometimes feel dangerous

[rigid flame]

oo good point

[empty thicket]

asked before if animal handling was wis, it is so yeah

[severe rampart]

Heavy Armor is flavored as him having a bucket on his head, with pots and pans taped to his body

[silk hare]

bc it forces you to gain temp HP, and any temp HP gain overrides any previous one

[severe rampart]

His main weapon is a flavored Great Weapon (Shovel)

[empty thicket]

na, too dummy but could be said he is a barbarian too instead of fighter

[rigid flame]

a good 1v1 exploit maybe?

[empty thicket]

any of both of them could work

[silk hare]

• the order would then be: 1: weapon attack and 2: THEN the spAM

[silk hare]

not really, you literally get infinite false life casts at lvl 1 in 2024 if u want (on a warlock)

so its not even remotely worth it

[rigid flame]

hmmm fair fair

[empty thicket]

oh, it is only at lvl 1? damn... thought it scaled that

[severe rampart]

Everyone in the party I DM has an AC of 16 or above, I love throwing saving throws at them

The day has come though, next session they'll be fighting a mini boss that doesn't attack with saving throws, wish me luck

[empty thicket]

with the whole warlock things, welp, something new to learn

[ornate skiff]

That guild reaction is actually perfect like you did that with a wood axe? is such a clean reveal and yeah I like that they’re more impressed confused than anything, especially since he’s just the chill farm guy the handshake moment is still hilarious btw peak oh this guy is different energy lowkey John Dungeon already feels like the kind of regional legend people just casually talk about anyway I’d actually be down to hear it or just send it to me in the DMs if you end up working on it later

[severe rampart]

And they automatically get the highest roll

[silk hare]

do they now? interesting

but either way, the "exploit" is heavily up to interpretation/misuse of rules

[severe rampart]

Yeah, I know because I have a Hexblade Warlock with Fiendish Vigor

[empty thicket]

some tavernkeeper would ask him if he could help him with the barrels.
They saw him carry 120l barrels of wine//beer like nothing in each shoulder

[knotty vine]

sailing a boat in dnd is hard
requires a crew of twenty to sail, and half or more of the crew must have proficiency with water vehicles.

[empty thicket]

its a mini boss, let them enjoy their power trip once

[silk hare]

I see, I mostly know about the general class stuff of certain classes (like warlock) that I like better in 2024, e.g. invocations being given earlier + the "pacts" being invocations, didnt know about the max HP stuff tho

[empty thicket]

then 400 baboons

[severe rampart]

This is why I say that no one runs D&D 100% RAW

[knotty vine]

that makes sense lmao

[severe rampart]

Oh no, two hits from him and they're statistically going down

[knotty vine]

thats at least like 10 people that need prof in water vehicles

[severe rampart]

And he has Battlemaster Maneuvers with Multiattack

[knotty vine]

So does battle master what makes him so special

[severe rampart]

His weapon has an extra damage die

[empty thicket]

like they said in Pirates of the caribbean , "you only need from 4 to 8 to run a ship"

[knotty vine]

You still gotta find 4-8 people

That wanna be on a ship

[timber turtle]

whats a cantrip on warlock that curses enemies without dealing damage to them

[severe rampart]

You can, just don't run it RAW

[knotty vine]

none

[timber turtle]

Im trying to play a warlock that cant do damage to enemies

[knotty vine]

BAD idea

[severe rampart]

So... just debuffs?

[silk hare]

Unless u grossly misinterprwt guidance as a curse tho those who dont believe in any gods lmao

[timber turtle]

yes

[severe rampart]

Pick up Pact of the Chain, have your familiar do the damage for you

[silk hare]

Why do u wanna torture yourself like that?

[silk hare]

I mean that's still damaging, same way secondary spell effects are

[empty thicket]

welp, there would be some crews available in some ports.
experienced would cost more money but less problems in the sea so

[knotty vine]

That works but not doing damage in dnd is like trying to force yourself to be vegen in a party full of only meat eaters

[silk hare]

Bad analogy, bc the second one can work quite easily

[woven flint]

It's forcing your party to pick up slack on your behalf

[knotty vine]

What tokii said

[silk hare]

No damage in dnd in a non story only campaign is...

Yeah what he said

[knotty vine]

Warlock being one of the more damaging classes too..

[timber turtle]

damage spells feel more boring to me

[silk hare]

I mean they dont HAVE to be, they are one of the most customizable classes imo

[severe rampart]

Warlocks don't have to use spells

[woven flint]

Yeah, but like.. thats kinda warlocks entire point

[silk hare]

Okay? So in combat you constantly run away, let your party probably die ans then what?

[severe rampart]

You can be a martial warlock

[knotty vine]

You dont have to but warlocks are all about burning the brightest

Aka max casting any spell that throw out

[silk hare]

True that, but theres also plenty of features and spells u can use for rp purposes

[severe rampart]

My advice is just to pick up pact of the chain if you want your character to not get blood on their hands + it doesn't use damaging spells

[silk hare]

Especially bc they get them back more easily

[knotty vine]

But actively choosing not to hurt people is even worse

[timber turtle]

I just need a cantrip thats a debuff or a buff and Im fine

[knotty vine]

when combat is a core pillar of dnd

[silk hare]

But yeah also @timber turtle

What is your goal with this?

[silk hare]

Guidance ig, but you'd need Magic initiate for that i think

[knotty vine]

does warlock even have any cantrips that buff?

[silk hare]

Not on its own iirc

[severe rampart]

True Strike? but that's still damaging

[silk hare]

But via pact/feats

[fossil hollow]

Cantrips? No

[timber turtle]

just to have fun

[knotty vine]

I mean friends is there

[umbral girder]

For Warlocks of all classes

[knotty vine]

not really a buff tho

[severe rampart]

Friends is arguably worse than Dancing Lights

[silk hare]

Yeah, but the whole "is don't want to do damage" thing:

No direct damage? No damage EVER? Even if its secondary ?

[knotty vine]

It is but I still use it

[fossil hollow]

I like it for "Hey, whats up doc" moments

[silk hare]

Ha right, I forgot that one exists

[knotty vine]

No hitting enemies run ahh build 😭

[severe rampart]

Lmao I read that in Bugs Bunny's voice

[timber turtle]

I could use a damage spell if it had a major enough debuff on it

[fossil hollow]

Friends is peak toon force

[severe rampart]

Honestly, could be really cool, but D&D doesn't really have a lot of buffing and debuffing spells, especially at low levels

[knotty vine]

Mind sliver

[silk hare]

Okay? I still don't necessarily get the requirement bc that's a bit of an arbitrary metric but u do u

[severe rampart]

Mind Sliver, Vicious Mockery, though warlocks don't get that

[knotty vine]

but cantrips dont usually have "big" debffs

[silk hare]

Or rather, all the spells that do that do so as a secondary effect

[knotty vine]

since you can just spam them

[silk hare]

Sry, most*

[knotty vine]

being able to spam a huge debuff without any cost would be unbalanced

[silk hare]

Tbh, I really like hunger of hadar, even though it's not that good

[knotty vine]

wdym hunger is amazing

[severe rampart]

It might seem like a funny idea "oh haha, I haven't killed anything and it's been like 3 sessions"

But over time you'll feel left out when the party gets cool moments like "how do you want to do this", meanwhile, outside of roleplay you haven't really contributed much to combat

[knotty vine]

Blinded

[silk hare]

Im so sad that only bards/warlocks and a sorcerer subclass get it :/

[woven flint]

Hunger Of Hadar is good, though...

[severe rampart]

Bards get Hunger?

[silk hare]

Well magical secrets

Its not a GOOD pick over other spells

[woven flint]

They don't in 2024 anymore.

[severe rampart]

Ah, yeah I wouldn't waste my few magical secrets on hunger

[knotty vine]

Not anymore

[severe rampart]

Thanks Tokii

[knotty vine]

secrets is stuck to druid clerics and warlocks

[timber turtle]

I kind of imagine other people would like it because theyre doing more damage because im reducing ac or other things on the enemies

[silk hare]

Ah see thats where the "5e" in my name comes in lmao

[severe rampart]

Kinda like Magic Initiate

[knotty vine]

being able to blind someone is very strong through

[woven flint]

...?

[knotty vine]

And you can still see inside the darkness

[woven flint]

Both are 5e.

[silk hare]

Yeah theres very little spells that reduce ac

[knotty vine]

2014* they could take any spell

[severe rampart]

Yeah see, nothing really does that directly, and you'd do more damage overall if you attacked outright.

[severe rampart]

If you REALLY want to do this, don't play a warlock.

[silk hare]

Go for druid or sth

[knotty vine]

Bard is the better buff/debuff

[severe rampart]

Or a Cleric

[silk hare]

Or cleric, they get more of the buffs

[severe rampart]

Druid, Bard, Cleric

[knotty vine]

Id say bard cause inso

[silk hare]

Fair

[severe rampart]

At least you can cast Bless and give your party a bonus to attack rolls and saving throws

[knotty vine]

Clerics dont get much to do with there bonus action

[severe rampart]

Depends on subclads

[silk hare]

I mean, just pick up the telekinetoc feat and shove some enemies

[knotty vine]

even then thats like 1 or maybe 2ish features

Bards are full of bonus actions

[silk hare]

True that

[knotty vine]

Cleric is very main action heavy

[severe rampart]

Sanctuary is nice

[severe rampart]

WoTC, I need more bonus actions.

[knotty vine]

If only sanctuary worked like it did in bg3

[severe rampart]

Give me more Bardic Inspiration features...

[silk hare]

What's the difference ?

[knotty vine]

Pretty much just got rid of the wisdom saving throw entirely

[silk hare]

Huh interesting

[knotty vine]

Just cant attack that creature unless its a AOE

[severe rampart]

For a first level spell??

[silk hare]

I mean tbh that would enable a LOT of broken stuff in normal dnd

[ornate skiff]

He’s not even trying, it’s just everyone else slowly realising how strong he is. He already feels like a regional legend at this point

[knotty vine]

I mean you cant do any aggressive actions either or the spell just ends

[silk hare]

Well yeah, but theres plenty of things that, on a technicality, are not aggressive

[knotty vine]

If the warded creature makes an attack, casts a spell that affects an enemy, or deals damage to another creature, this spell ends.

[silk hare]

Yeah but dnd also e.g. has a lot of items that dont fall under any of these categories

[knotty vine]

like?

[silk hare]

Ball bearings to name just 1

Sth that doesn't cost a lot/is starting gear

[knotty vine]

fair point

[silk hare]

But could break encounters at early games if I just get the "no attack" button

[plucky nebula]

holy shit 5.5e completely killed twilight sanctuary lmfao

[silk hare]

How so?

[knotty vine]

It buffed it?

since clerics get two channels at level 3?

granted the main reason twlight cleric was so good was case you got it at level 3

[plucky nebula]

30ft emanation to 15ft and 1d6 + cleric level into 1d6 + wis mod

[silk hare]

I mean yeah and?

[knotty vine]

when was twlight cleric even changed?

[silk hare]

The good stuff later on mainly comes from flight/spirit guardians, so its a small nerf in the long run

[knotty vine]

It really was

[silk hare]

Plus 15ft radius is still very much crazy

[knotty vine]

twlight cleric strength mainly came from all of there abilites coming online from level 1

[silk hare]

The temp HP was a nice bonus, but theres enough easy ways around it

[knotty vine]

but since every one get 1-2 feats strating level and subclasses at level 3 its not as good any more

[eager marsh]

I’d argue the channel is still fairly strong for a minimal cost feature

[silk hare]

Strong for early lvls, which it still is, but later on it didn't matter

[woven flint]

Nope
Cleric is still incredibly strong lol

[eager marsh]

Early levels are where more gameplay time happens so saying it’s weaker late game doesn’t excuse the early power

[knotty vine]

that too cleric over all is still stupid amounts of strong

[woven flint]

Twilight is stronger because it's still Cleric

[eager marsh]

New divine intervention is dumb and it’s funny

[silk hare]

Oh? What was changed ?

[eager marsh]

The life cleric on my Thursday games loves the mid combat prayer of healing short rest

[knotty vine]

you can cast any 5th level spellor lower as an action without componets

[silk hare]

Lmao no way

[woven flint]

Yeah, once per long rest a free 5th or lower level spell from 10th level is mad

[timber turtle]

Do you have to be in a love triangle with two monster boys to be this class?

[eager marsh]

Prayer of healing being almost always the best choice

[silk hare]

What?

[eager marsh]

The other great spell is instant cast Hallow

[woven flint]

It's a Twilight Reference

[knotty vine]

Hallow for 2x damage is great

[silk hare]

Ohhh, flew right over my head whoops

[timber turtle]

he doesnt know

[eager marsh]

Our party has 2 monks and a fighter so the mid battle short rest gives all the martials back most of their everything it’s great

[knotty vine]

me watching as the figher gets both his action surges back with an action

[eager marsh]

If we had a warlock it would have been funnier

[severe rampart]

My party has a fighter, monk, and warlock, I'm generous as hell with short rests which is probably the only reason they survive some encounters I throw at them

[knotty vine]

The fact that we have not 1 but TWO spells that can give you a short rest is still amazing to me

and prayer of healing can be obtained by anybody btw

[eager marsh]

Catnap is bad comparatively but you can technically stack them

[knotty vine]

true

[eager marsh]

Prayer of healing is lv2 cleric not anyone can get it

[knotty vine]

yeah huh

if your dm allows dragon marks mark of healing

[woven flint]

Paladins

[eager marsh]

I….dont count that as ‘anyone can get it’ since baseline those are wvberon exclusive without direct dm permission

[eager marsh]

Oh yea

[knotty vine]

Most dms let me take mark of healing as a wizard

[eager marsh]

Lucky. I want a dragon mark of healing Necromancer still

[woven flint]

Don't forget our lovely pallys 😎

[knotty vine]

Potent dragon mark is so peak

[eager marsh]

Broken*

[knotty vine]

Just getting all the spells added to your list just like that

[severe rampart]

A campaign of mine turned into a biweekly game... Time to find a sixth campaign...

[woven flint]

Mark of Healing is fun

My current character has Mark of Sentinel, but he's not a caster, so he only gains the non-caster benefits

[eager marsh]

I just hope the updated Necromancer subclass is good. I didn’t get around to putting in a feedback report but I really didn’t like the level 14 UA feature

[knotty vine]

and a free casting of any of the spells

on the list

[eager marsh]

Make it seven

[knotty vine]

I can cast greater res without using a spell slot

[severe rampart]

... I will not be baited into this. I shan't.

I mean, I could probably fit in a seventh game...

[eager marsh]

More D&D is always good

If all your games are biweekly and you have time each weekday you can hypothetically have 14 campaigns going

[knotty vine]

Nah trying to join a dnd game for every day of the week is a sure fire way to burnout ville

[severe rampart]

I would die before turning the game I DM into a biweekly game

I need my weekly D&D with THAT specific group

[eager marsh]

Same.

I need more campaigns with people that actually roleplay

[severe rampart]

The people that respect my calls, like roleplaying, doesn't mind if their character dies

[eager marsh]

My only in person game is largely people that are hands off for roleplay comparatively which is also my most consistent game each week

[woven flint]

Session 0 of Icewindale is done
😎
We're doing it with 2024 Characters and monster statblocks

[knotty vine]

2024 wild magic sorcerer with a shard of the feywild gotta be the most fun thing ever

[glad thunder]

what is mage hand press

[eager marsh]

I wanna do it so bad

[knotty vine]

3rd party

[glad thunder]

i cast punch

[severe rampart]

So what does the entire party look like

[eager marsh]

Wild magic sorcerer with details shard on a human with the lucky feat and the spell silvery barbs. Everything is gambling

[knotty vine]

LEts go gambling!

[woven flint]

We've got
Triton Paladin (Me)
Goliath Barbarian
Dwarf Cleric
Human Druid
Yuan-Ti Artificer
We're starting off at level 1 ofc

[eager marsh]

Every rng spell possible

[glad thunder]

im looking at the barbnarian subclass from mage hand press and its so funny

[woven flint]

I'm the only one immune to extreme cold because of natural cold resistance lol

[knotty vine]

you can pretty much force two rolls of your wild magic table if you use tides of choas and use a meta magic point as well as a sorcerery point

[severe rampart]

Patron God? (Please be Poseidon)

[knotty vine]

People still paly the triton race?

[woven flint]

No.
He doesn't have a Deity

[severe rampart]

Smite with the power of Tridents

[knotty vine]

I though they went bye bye in the great wars of 1200

[woven flint]

Not for people in the Icewindale Group:
||My character was reincarnated as a Triton as per his character secret, he was not born as one.||

[fossil hollow]

bruh

[knotty vine]

A little too late

[severe rampart]

Wow, very interesting, now when I think Triton I think Merman, which I could be wrong so I'mma go see what the Triton species looks like

[knotty vine]

through I do have a question abou that spell

[fiery nimbus]

Triton is basically an aquaman

[severe rampart]

Nope, they have legs

[knotty vine]

Why does it only like

[woven flint]

Triton aren't necessarily Merfolk.
They have humanoid bodies

[knotty vine]

why is only those set amount of races

[fiery nimbus]

Aquaman has legs too?

[knotty vine]

Why not more

[woven flint]

Because those are the base ones that everyone has access to.

[knotty vine]

Why cant I come back as like a warforged or goblin

[severe rampart]

Yeah sorry, didn't see your Aquaman message

[woven flint]

And the books only typically count for basic things

[knotty vine]

i guess that makes sense

[woven flint]

You can homebrew the spell to allow everything if you wanted

[knotty vine]

Oh wait nvm

It says "the dm can choose another playable speices"\

Roll 1d10 and consult the table below to determine the body’s species, or the DM chooses another playable species.

So those are only really examples of what you can come back as

So in theory I could start as a human and turn into an centaur

[woven flint]

Yeap, I suppose so, then

[knotty vine]

can someone explain this to me
The reincarnated creature makes any choices that a species’ description offers

[hollow wing]

We're working on book 2. If we could get it on DNDBeyond I'd be ecstatic. Spread the word!

[knotty vine]

Its the dinosuar person himself! its John dinosaur 🤯

[flint ledge]

Even more dinosaurs?!?

[severe rampart]

Yippee

[hollow wing]

I mean I've got to be someplace XD

[woven flint]

He's real

[severe rampart]

I should make my party fight a dinosaur...

[reef tundra]

Holy hell, hi! I'm Amity, I got your book for my birthday

[woven flint]

the Doctor is real

[severe rampart]

A skeletal dinosaur!

[severe rampart]

Exterminate, Exterminate!

[woven flint]

Not THAT Doctor!

[hollow wing]

Hope you enjoyed it 🙂

[fossil hollow]

Funny enough, i think Doctor Who had a dino episode

[woven flint]

You're a Dino Epsiode, Ti

[hollow wing]

Basically get the word out, get people buying it and let wizards know you want more dinos and other weird extinct nonsense 🙂

[reef tundra]

Oh I did! I've loved dinosaurs forever, and combining them and dnd was amazing!

[fossil hollow]

Lemme channel my dino autism real quick

[reef tundra]

Also the optional rules for each dino are peak

[hollow wing]

It's had a few. Only one I've seen is the Matt Smith one

[fossil hollow]

I only know through the MtG cards lol

[hollow wing]

Thank you so much! It was one of the most fun parts of putting it together. So many weird in jokes

[severe rampart]

I love me some Dungeons and Dinosaurs

[strong wave]

Would a barbarian be a waste in a murder mystery game

[severe rampart]

Following the advice of someone I just add 20 hp to the dinosaur and bludgeoning vulnerability and I got me a skeletal t. Rex for my party to fight

[woven flint]

Not at all

[severe rampart]

It really depends

It's pretty good roleplay material

[woven flint]

You can also strong-man

[reef tundra]

Bringing up Big Al made my inner child so happy

[knotty vine]

raging barbarian solving a murder mystery

Just think about for a second

[hollow wing]

I've never had as much fun as I had dming a session where my players got very confused as to why I was suddenly narrating everything going on in a really british narrator voice XD

[hollow wing]

Just finished writing a skeletal t. rex a few weeks back. Synergy!

[hollow wing]

I mean what if Hercule Poirot solved the mystery by throwing the killer through a wall

I'd watch that

[knotty vine]

Just wanna say I love the magical dino's from your book amazing work

[severe rampart]

Hurray!

[strong wave]

Hercule Poirot played by Dwayne the rock johnson

[hollow wing]

Thanks so much. It's been a treat doing them.

[sick comet]

I had an idea just now for an Astral Self Monk, where, instead of them getting a stand-type thing when activating their Astral Self, it's instead flavored as them taking off their weighted clothes. The damage from the initial activation would be flavored as the shockwave from the clothes smashing into the ground. The visage's abilities could be flavored as taking off the weight allowing the Monk to think more easily. The body and awakened Astral Self can easily be flavored as the character just being really strong.

[chrome horizon]

Hii! Does anyone have recommendation for songs that wound fit a battle the players can't win (it's no tpk don't worry, but I want a sad melancholic almsot regretful vibe?) :D
Lyrical is fine as long as it isn't copyright :D

[woven flint]

Sif the Great Grey Wolf from Dark Souls
Artorias the Abysswalker/Knight Artorias, also from Dark Souls

Yes, I know suggesting Souls music is a cliche but yeah

[chrome horizon]

Thank you so much :D

Cliches are cliches for a reason!!

[steady chasm]

I would love that because I suck at homebrewing sub classes and absolutely adore y'alls path of the tyrannosaur subclass

[meager fractal]

...PATH OF THE T-REX? They have a T-Rex?

[reef tundra]

"We have a t-rex!"

[onyx haven]

I wish that they went forward with that Dino druid subclass

[strong viper]

Hi

Guys i have some ideas for a campaign

Ngl its kinda buns but anyone want to hear it?

[normal canyon]

#dm-discussion maybe

[odd valley]

for book 2, are you guys planning on making any more subclasses?

[stiff rock]

#dm-discussion or #dm-world-building , depending on if it's something you need help developing or just an idea to share. but yeah i'd love to hear it

[strong viper]

Thanks

Ill send a "short" summary of the story in a bit.

[hollow wing]

Thanks so much. Wait till people see the ancient beast warlock

[hollow wing]

We've got 4 new classes. An education Bard, a tyrannosaur grapple Barbarian, a classification based wizard and a warlock whose patron is animalistic. Ties into one set of rules were including themed round skull island and kaiju

[severe rampart]

Bard subclass!!

Lmao it's so hilarious to me

"College of Education"

"I have forged a pact with an ancient creature." "I follow the ancient ways of great beasts."
"Hi, I'm David and I'm a math teacher."

[cedar bane]

dont underestimate the man who has to do calculus

[odd valley]

i assume if it’s in the style of ancient dinosaurs, the education bard would specialize in paleontology

[junior jasper]

Hello.

[junior jasper]

I require the ability to play this subclass for my next bard. Show me the way of the math teacher.

[noble wave]

Harnessing the power of math rocks

[empty thicket]

was thinking now, there is any feature//racial feature//etc. like this?
"When you take a short rest you can get the benefits of a long rest"
Recharge once per long rest.

[errant crag]

Not that I know of

There are races that can long rest in only 4 hours

[velvet locust]

I need some inspo for making a character bro

I wanna write a character but there’s just too much I wanna do and make and all that

[empty thicket]

favorite game/movie/book?

[silk hare]

I mean u want plain ideas, or do u want help to narrow it down?

[empty thicket]

yeah, know those but i mean, im talking with friends about "original" ideas and one that came in my mind was that one
Sorta inspiring from "Healing prayer".
Simple but good itself

[silk hare]

also no, bc that would be kinda busted

I mean theres a bunch of things for short rests

at least not in the capacity you described (to my knowledge)

[hot reef]

It’s fine to pick a basic race with a grounded/normal problem
-human fighter, brother died to bandits

[empty thicket]

would be limited to a racial feature or some sort of very rare item

[silk hare]

I mean the "limited to racial feature" just means its way stronger than a lot of other races

[still plover]

Randomly select three classes. Discard one. Pick one to be the class. Make it be like the last. No multiclassing.

#character-discussion

[silk hare]

being able to just fire off all spells available to you, short rest and get them back is a bit op

[empty thicket]

i mean it like isnt a Feat that anyone can take or something like that
If not take it like a monk feature

[empty thicket]

that was another thing i had in my mind, would be in a race that is mostly used in martial for its stats.
So if you pick it being a caster, you wont get a whole good thing, just a part of it.
Like someone playing an orc caster lets say.
Yeah, you can do it but there is other more "optimal" options

[velvet locust]

The second one I guess

[silk hare]

ight give us your options then

[errant crag]

I think you'd be better off going with Catnap as a racial spell when they reach 5th level

[velvet locust]

Im not sure if I should do something more grounded like a human or an elf or a tiefling, or do something that’s a wildcard like warforged or something

[silk hare]

I mean sure? but limiting it like that simply bc "otherwise its just unbalanced" is a bad approach in of itself imo

[silk hare]

I mean, I personally think of mechanical stuff I want and then go off off there

[velvet locust]

Yeah I guess I’ll just make both and see which one I’d like to play mechanically

[empty thicket]

catnap? what would be that?

[velvet locust]

Also a reborn would be cool but like I don’t want it to seem like I’m trying to minmax 😭

[silk hare]

lets u shortrest essentially

[silk hare]

I mean the question is if your dm even allows them first of all

[velvet locust]

Im pretty sure

Eh I don’t think it’s worth to ask I’ll just do a warforged

[silk hare]

I mean those technically are eberron, so questionable if they allow it

same way reborn are from a specific setting

[atomic kayak]

(Reborn arent actually)

[silk hare]

arent they from ravenloft?

or rather vrgr

[atomic kayak]

They showed up in the ravenloft book but the concepts they cover are from a lot of settings (intentionally so), but also the nature of the ravenloft setting already dips into various settings.

Warforged (by name and lore, among other things) are heavily eberron specific

[silk hare]

fair enough Ig

[velvet locust]

The warforged i can make, I haven’t asked about the reborn

[silk hare]

but yeah, personally I wouldnt consider them as a "base race" still

[velvet locust]

But now that I think about it I don’t really know how a warforged can exist in the lore

Ill see where making a random character takes me

And get back to yall

[lavish carbon]

Is It difficult to find groups?
I was so excited and even made a character on Dnd beyond and roll 20 but it seems difficult to find a group and get to play my first ever Dnd campaign TT

[velvet locust]

#find-a-game is so useful

[fossil hollow]

It can be described like finding a date

[velvet locust]

Wait wrong channel

[velvet locust]

#looking-for-players is useful

[glad arch]

Damn i won the wrong lottery then

[lavish carbon]

I know but to get a spot, u have to compete with more experienced players

[umbral girder]

Yep.

That’s why I became a DM, much easier to play some dnd

[lavish carbon]

Also my timezone gets alot more responses, I am from Asia so it's really competitive

[lavish carbon]

I am too dumb to be a DM

[umbral girder]

It’s not that hard tbh

[lavish carbon]

If you are a DM, than lemme know if you have any spots in the future pls

[umbral girder]

Nah

[empty thicket]

at least you can get something kinda normal from europe time zones.
I play with europeans and i have to be 7am awake while for them is like 1 or 2 pm

[lavish carbon]

European time zones work for me aswell but they are too contested

[rough basalt]

Getting started on DMing is a lot easier than most people think

A lot of it is just mentality

[fossil hollow]

just gotta keep looking is unfortunately the best answer we can give you

[rough basalt]

Yeah, the ratio between players and active dms looking for games is very wide

[empty thicket]

But at least you can work with them and find easier, keep searching and you will find

[rough basalt]

Like my theory is Player to DM ratio in general is 1:50 to 1:100 range

[lavish carbon]

Thanks buddy

[rough basalt]

And not all dms are recruiting or even running games.

[lavish carbon]

Yeah seems like it

[empty thicket]

and a dm can be either 1 week searching a party or 3 months too, depend of a lot of things

if they dont have an already made group from past campaigns

[rough basalt]

Yep and games have a high chance of dying within a short time too

DnD "Players" aka the "I love dnd and want in groups but Id never actually play dnd"
Mismatched playstyles/expectations.

[empty thicket]

that its another thing too, some Dms prefer to play with some past players who ended their campaigns or contact some unfortunate players that had to left for who knows which reasons

or with players that already know between each other, etc. etc.

[rough basalt]

Only two surefire ways online I'm aware of to get groups in a reasonable time.
Become the DM.
Paid games.

[empty thicket]

or be giga lucky

[rough basalt]

For traditional games anyway, there's many westmarches, communitys that run one shots ect.

[empty thicket]

or be friend with a DM and with him and other players adapt

[rough basalt]

Eh

Just cause your friends a dm won't mean they're a dm you wanna play with.

[empty thicket]

true, but its something

[rough basalt]

Many friendships have ended at the table cause of how tabletop brings certain aspects of people out

It is something tho

[velvet locust]

I mean not necessarily

Im pretty new and I got into one easily enough

You just gotta know what ur looking for

[empty thicket]

yep, its something that happen but at the same time could be something that one must realize.
You can try to make your friend who mostly play shooters play some chill farm game
But you must be open that he doesnt like it too or act in some ways.

[rough basalt]

Experience can matter unfortunately

Not always, sometimes DM's don't wanna teach new players , I'd say the latter is more common tho.

[empty thicket]

yep, while others dm's are more open to do teaching // starter sessions for new players

and slowly mold them for their campaigns

[rough basalt]

It's not like raiding in an MMO where half the posts are gonna be "must have clear" and other stuff

But rather for example sometimes if a dm just wants to run a one shot but doesn't have enough free time for a long one shot they may want experienced players who can keep the session moving.

[woven flint]

I've got my Triton Paladins former party in the game as NPCs because I rolled om the Xanathars character life table lol

We've got

Maeelle Swiftbloom, a Halfling Druid (who was Riv's closest friend before he went missing)
And
Fang of Snake, a Tabaxi Fighter (who hates Riv because he thinks he abandoned them)

[reef tundra]

I do not mind teaching new players, but if I am going to teach, they are going to have to learn. While I do my best to be patient, as some people learn faster than others, sometimes I do not want the Sisyphean feeling of teaching someone the same thing over and over and over and over

Once I had a player who was in my campaign for over 6 months now, and then in one of the last sessions I had with them they said “what’s a bonus action?”. Mind you, they are a battle master fighter with Rally, Second Wind, Lunge Attack, all sorts that take a bonus action

[proven adder]

Not DND related at all but like

How do I watch the avatar aang leaked movie 🥺

[reef tundra]

#non-dnd-topics

[proven adder]

Did not know that existed awesome

[umbral girder]

Also piracy is not a topic allowed here

[regal finch]

i need your help dnd fanatics, im trying to make a new character with a very specific concept in mind (im not even 100% sure its possible in 5e/5.5e), is there any way for a character to manipulate their own flesh outside of the standard shapeshifting rules (with the exception of true polymorph)

im trying to make a character similar to the shapeshifters from the atom eve invincible special that grabbed debris and damaged terrain from the battlefield with their body and morphed them into weapons on their body (like turning their arm into a giant club with flesh holding onto a bunch of different rocks and debris and stuff), im just not sure how id do that 😭

[still plover]

And, uh, probably piracy, and no.

[regal finch]

omg amity twin

[proven adder]

Oh that counts as piracy

Oh yeahhhhhhhhhhh

Good to know

[reef tundra]

While here is good, #character-discussion might be able to go more into detail

[regal finch]

ah okay, tyvm! ^^

[reef tundra]

Amity for the win 💪

[reef tundra]

Wait… Amities for the win!

[regal finch]

i was mostly asking for specific spells/races/class features that could accomplish something similar but yeah fair

[regal finch]

TRUEEEEEE

[woven flint]

Honestly, first time I've ever actually had important npcs from my characters life in detail lmao

Besides my Warlocks sister (but she's deceased and can't really show up as an npc)

[umbral girder]

takes notes

[rugged hawk]

Of course she can, that's the whole point of necromancers

[rough basalt]

True

[rugged hawk]

Ah, the tragedy of being ambushed by undead, only it turns out to be the sweet little sister turned into a ghoul trying to eat her sibling's flesh, then they have to fight to the death and end up slaughtering each other. Truly a tale for the bards.

[rough basalt]

I wonder which one shot from the FR book i should run next

[umbral girder]

The Curse on Humble Hill

[rough basalt]

Are you watching me?

[umbral girder]

Ignore the fog on the windows

[rough basalt]

I had the book open and was literally reading curse on humble hill lol

[rugged hawk]

Okay, but plot twist, what if Humbling on Cursed Hill

[rough basalt]

Yeah I'm doing curse on humble hill

this one sounds fun

[umbral girder]

Your welcome

[woven flint]

Then he'd crash out and kill every matron mother in Menzobarranzan /half-joking

He's already almost one-rounded a Matron Mother by himself

[woven flint]

I'm coming for you.

[umbral girder]

We know that.

[tough sandal]

Came out of my shell a little more at the LGS. Asked people if there was interest in TTRPGs.
The sound of progress for finding a local group.

[meager fractal]

Can beholders become ghosts or liches?

[hollow wing]

More accurate than you might think

[halcyon reef]

how good is witch bolt ?

for a lvl 1 pc ?

[fossil hollow]

No recorded instances of such have been shown, but they are at least able to be turned into Zombies

[hollow wing]

Spoiling nothing 🤣

[silk hare]

I mean good in respect to what?

also what class

[halcyon reef]

Warlock

[reef tundra]

Free 1d12 of damage as a bonus action every turn, pretty solid to me

[halcyon reef]

Building a lvl 1 warlock

And thought it was nice

[reef tundra]

It's even better at low levels

[silk hare]

tbh I prefer to just load up on reaction spells/ spells that "buff" myself on low lvl warlocks

unless its hexblade

but yeah witchbolt is a decent choice

[rough basalt]

Yeah new Witchbolt is very good.

Especially for warlocks imo

Since it's a spell you get value out of regardless of whether you hit or not.

[odd valley]

old witchbolt was terrible

[orchid torrent]

do you guys have any "DIY miniatures /landscape" discord

[olive scroll]

Today i used a paladin for the first time pretty much the first thing that happened was a crit with longsword + divine smite

[elder tree]

totally not thinking of throwing a Cr20 creature at the party today

[orchid torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/@d20crafts

[elder tree]

theres like 7 of them they will be "fine"

[orchid torrent]

watch this man work make me want to craft

[feral fulcrum]

There are better damage dealers at high levels. But it's quite nice at lower levels. It's also not really free, you do need to maintain concentration.

[reef tundra]

True. And the spell can easily be broken

[elder tree]

Time to throw an ancient white dragon at my party bois

[onyx haven]

As long as you're able to maintain a distance of under 60ft, witch bolt holds pretty well

[lavish carbon]

Have fun, and here I am yet to start my first ever campaign

[reef tundra]

Helps when I can send my barbarian friend like a rabbit bulldog after the target and restrain them

[elder tree]

they aren't prepared for a full power ancient white dragon, but i have perfect narative reasons for it to be weaker

[reef tundra]

I am not joking I did that once and it was very fun

[reef tundra]

Hell yeah. Show no mercy

[woven flint]

I get to punch people with my Pugilist Tonight 😎

[rough basalt]

I get to read tabletop rules

[elder tree]

its gonna be notably weaker than it woul d normally be so probably they wont die right

[onyx haven]

Just an ancient white dragon? I didn't know you were being so merciful. Bring in the White Great Wyrm!

[elder tree]

they are 8th level maybe later

[lavish carbon]

Shirley

[woven flint]

I wonder how many sessions it's gonna be before he kills his first person in character
(He's being doing Nonlethal combat so far)

[elder tree]

Mainly lowering its damage/to hits (Breath nerfed by its throat being ripped open, Rend by its teeth/claws being dull and broken, lower AC due to damaged scales)

Context: ||Beaten up by bad guy (Former party member) possessed by demon and the demons using the authority of the dragon to lead a siege on a town the party is occupying)||

[hollow stone]

is your pugilist a subscriber to a policy like batman's?

[silk hare]

worst case, it was a mass hallucination

[elder tree]

They've got the damage output and if the Druid appears hes got a nice homebrew feature that will help

itl be a tougher battle than usual but they should have it

[rugged hawk]

Okay, Drizzt, settle down, we don't need extra scimmies getting Lolth into a frenzy. /jk

[elder tree]

honestly tempted to increase the hp because I know their output

[strong wave]

"I think we're gonna have to kill this guy"

"Darn"

[woven flint]

No, he just hasn't killed anyone because the party hasn't told him to.. and nobody did when he was part of the Sentinel Marshals either.

He's Warforged.

[elder tree]

Yea im gonna up the hp a lil

[silk hare]

make the dragon an unkillable object with an alternative wincon

[rugged hawk]

The HP is 'YES, until I feel like they deserve to win' Or until they die, whichever comes first.

[reef tundra]

Where do y’all find pugilist? I looked at a few places and the only one I found that had the actual abilities lacked the core aspects like hit dice

[elder tree]

Thats how I usually do it tbh because their damage output is rediculous

[woven flint]

Nonlethal is his default for dealing with criminals and beasts

[woven flint]

It's a third party book is all I know

[hollow stone]

i know i've got a character in a Westmarch kind of game, an Oath of Vengeance Paladin, for whom i plan to get as many manacles as possible so i can arrest every humanoid enemy i may come across

[woven flint]

The only one of my characters whom is nonlethal specifically towards humanoids is my Celestial Warlock..
Though.. that might change soon.

[elder tree]

im just gonna give it the max HP and go from there

[hollow stone]

"My oath is to bring justice, and unfortunately for you, death is an amnesty from that, so you're coming with me."

[elder tree]

Session starts in 10 but we always start late for some reason so wish them luck bois

[strong wave]

Oath of justice more like

[woven flint]

My Battlemaster Fighter is also willing to Spare people, but he's not completely nonlethal towards them

[strong wave]

I'm surprised that's not a thing already

[rough basalt]

Its cause Oath of Devotion fits that bill by default

[woven flint]

Looks at Oath of Devotion or Oath of Crown

[rugged hawk]

Don't give it HP, just let them hit it til they either die or earn a victory through sheer effort

[hollow stone]

Oath of Vengeance better fit my needs tho, since they get Hold Person which would thus enable me to inflict the Restrained Condition to deploy the Manacles

[rugged hawk]

I mean, if they're Held, they can't move their arms. You can't, either.

[elder tree]

gonna mention what one of the party is rq: they are a bladesinger fairy that refuses any help whatsoever from humans because fairy reasons (Including healing / etc)

[woven flint]

Eh, Oath of Vengeance can be twisted for more personal reasons

Oath of a Devotion is the DEFACTO good boy Paladin.

My Oath of Vengeance Paladin isn't a good person

But he's also not a bad person

[hollow stone]

oh, yea, easily, Oath of Vengeance is the most morally grey paladin i know of, it just happened to have the most tools for restraining suspects

[reef tundra]

Laughs in oath of Devotion villain I ran

[strong wave]

He's just an angry person

[woven flint]

I wouldn't say he's angry, really

Though, at the same time...

[odd valley]

oathbreaker watching in the corner

[reef tundra]

-# She scared me

[hollow stone]

Oathbreaker is actually evil iirc, they straight up forsake their oath specifically to seek out evil powers

[reef tundra]

I find that oathbreakers are either pure evil darkness lords, or misunderstood edgy sad good boys

[woven flint]

Oathbreakers are the Defacto Evil Paladin, yes!

Though, for some reason people think that all Paladins that break their Oaths are Oathbreaker Paladins..
Which is false.

[reef tundra]

And I love both

[woven flint]

Oathbreakers are NOT misunderstood.
They're doing what they do for the sake of power.

There's no misunderstanding doing evil for the sake of evil

[hollow stone]

i think the problem is that someone who breaks an oath, accordant to the vaguely existing rules of words, is an oath breaker, and they just happened to call the evil ones Oathbreaker Paladins instead of Blasphemous Paladins

[empty thicket]

OathB is just someone searching power and stuff like that, a megalomaniac if you want to mark it like something

[woven flint]

We should've called Oathbreakers Blashphmer Paladins /gen

Blasphemy Paladins

[reef tundra]

No no I’m listing the oathbreaker paladin archetypes I’ve seen at the table. If I had a nickel for every player I’ve played with that saw the oathbreaker knight in BG3 and decided to make a paladin with an evil oath who broke it for the sake of good and now live condemned for their choices, I’d have three nickels.

They were all definitely lore breaking

[empty thicket]

yeah, this one would work like it

[hollow stone]

me personally i think calling them Oath of Blasphemy Paladins or something involving the very literal definition of Blasphemy (an action that goes directly against the principles of the faith) would have been cooler and less vague

[reef tundra]

But the players we having too much fun for me to point it out too much 🥺

[woven flint]

From now on, I'm calling Oathbreakers "Blasphemous Paladins"

[empty thicket]

same, we are planting the new term of them

[hollow stone]

i'm down for the psyop, yea

convince a bunch of people that's what they were called before a rework that never happened and make a bunch of people try to seem like they have elite ball knowledge by calling them "Blasphemous Paladins" instead of Oathbreakers

[reef tundra]

Aha and now my Oathbroken Knight fighter subclass can rise and be the only subclass with the word “oathbr” and the letter K in its name!

[woven flint]

Alternatively
Death Knights.. or Grey Knights (as I believe Oathbreakers were canonically called at some point?)

[odd valley]

oath of blasphemy paladins

[reef tundra]

And the letter E

[empty thicket]

na, it would mean they would follow a path in that oath

[woven flint]

Blasphemy isn't an oath, but a rejection of Oaths.

[empty thicket]

an oathbreaker dont follow anything

[odd valley]

in a way it’s a creed too

[hollow stone]

also, Oath of Blasphemy is inherently oxymoronic, since that'd be an oath to violate itself, or just Oath Of Offending As Many People With Your Actions As Possible

[cloud bison]

does 5.5 have nonlethal rules?

[woven flint]

Nonlethal is a thing, yes

[hollow stone]

this is, ofc, not even being evil, just being unlikeable

[woven flint]

Though, ONLY with Melee attacks

Melee Spell attacks count too)

[cloud bison]

where is the rule for this?

[strong wave]

You just say you choose to do no lethal damage and it is

[cloud bison]

yeah, what book is it in

[strong wave]

My mind

No

[ripe nimbus]

when you reduce an enemy to 0 with a melee attack you can choose to knock them out instead of killing them

it’s in the PHB chapter 1

[strong wave]

That's what I just said

I'm not lying

[ripe nimbus]

there’s no such thing as “nonlethal damage” as like a special category of damage, it’s a choice you make only when you reduce them to 0.

[woven flint]

Me doing enough damage to reduce my enemies to Atoms with a melee attack but instead i declare nonlethal

[strong wave]

Batman vs burglar with cancer bills

[hollow stone]

are you able to force Non Lethal on spells that add to damage? i.e. if i hit someone for non lethal, would the Force from HM and Radiant from Divine Favor be able to not just murder that guy?

[strong wave]

In my defense in previous editions I'm pretty sure you had to declare if an attack was lethal or non lethal before it was rolled

[strong wave]

I tried that in baldurs gate 3 with a non lethal hells rebuke and killed 3 people by accident

[woven flint]

You can't nonlethal spells
That aren't Melee Attacks

[feral fulcrum]

Weekly Reminder that Baldurs Gate 3 is not 100% rules accurate.

[frail wasp]

same

[cloud bison]

melee attacks section only has the following:
A melee attack allows you to attack a target within your reach. A melee attack typically uses a handheld weapon or an Unarmed Strike. Many monsters make melee attacks with claws, teeth, or other body parts. A few spells also involve melee attacks.

Reach
A creature has a 5-foot reach and can thus attack targets within 5 feet when making a melee attack. Certain creatures have melee attacks with a reach greater than 5 feet, as noted in their descriptions.

Opportunity Attacks
Combatants watch for enemies to drop their guard. If you move heedlessly past your foes, you put yourself in danger by provoking an Opportunity Attack.

Avoiding Opportunity Attacks. You can avoid provoking an Opportunity Attack by taking the Disengage action. You also don’t provoke an Opportunity Attack when you teleport or when you are moved without using your movement, action, Bonus Action, or Reaction. For example, you don’t provoke an Opportunity Attack if an explosion hurls you out of a foe’s reach or if you fall past an enemy.

Making an Opportunity Attack. You can make an Opportunity Attack when a creature that you can see leaves your reach. To make the attack, take a Reaction to make one melee attack with a weapon or an Unarmed Strike against that creature. The attack occurs right before it leaves your reach.

i dont see anything about nonlethal

[woven flint]

Maybe you shouldn't just blatantly accuse people of lying if that's not their intention, just saying

[ripe nimbus]

it’s under the “Dropping to 0 HP” section

not the melee attacks section

[woven flint]

Not really, but go off lol

[hollow stone]

i mean, it remains the question, as the cause of its application remains a melee attack, but the contrare exists that it isn't the melee attack itself

[ripe nimbus]

p. 28 if you need a page reference

[hollow stone]

this is not how trust works btw, people are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around lmao

[frail wasp]

I'd let someone with hunters mark still nonlethal enemies

[hollow stone]

yea, i'm running a three weapon + shield Thri Kreen Paladin, so the plan is to pop Divine Favor and Hunter's Mark to burst down HP to secure an arrest, but i don't want to accidentally vaporize people lol

[cloud bison]

I rescind my previous statement

[reef tundra]

Also people can just remember rules but not remember what book it’s from

[ripe nimbus]

i’d allow it

[reef tundra]

I remember a lot of Tasha and Xanathar rules but often forget they’re from it

[ripe nimbus]

but i don’t think the rules are clear on it

[woven flint]

Kill. /joking

[cloud bison]

ah thanks, 29. I guess its called knocking out a creature now

[woven flint]

My Vengeance Paladin is gonna be in a ROTFM campaign
He's not doing nonlethal at all
This is SURVIVAL and if you threaten his life, he's putting you in the ground lol

[ripe nimbus]

the only rpg i know of where there are three core rulebooks…

[feral fulcrum]

ROTFM? Return of the flying mothra?

[ripe nimbus]

rime of the frostmaiden

[feral fulcrum]

Ah

[ripe nimbus]

you caaaan i guesss

[hollow stone]

Rise Of The Flaming Mouther

[ripe nimbus]

the existence of the srd helps

[hollow stone]

it's like a jibbering mouther but the teeth are molotovs

[ripe nimbus]

I mean, all the exploration pillar rules are in the DMG

it’s not (just) an advice book

[feral fulcrum]

The Star Wars TTRPG by Fantasy Flight Games has three core rulebooks (Which are all mostly the same, but with slighty different rules for certain things.)

[frail wasp]

Star wars FFG has three different eras, each one has a core book

its not the same thing >_>

[hollow stone]

afaik, DND is also the only TTRPG i know of with free rules

[feral fulcrum]

It's close enough for government work 😛

[ripe nimbus]

i didn’t have the 5.0e dmg

[woven flint]

Can't wait to die 🔥

[ripe nimbus]

im not entirely sure what your point is

[frail wasp]

many TTRPGs have srds where the rules are free (minus the setting)

[feral fulcrum]

Pathfinder's right over there, with free rules, and litteraly all the races, items, etc.

[woven flint]

Chadfinder

[ripe nimbus]

you can’t assume that people playing your RPG have previous editions of that RPG already. you can’t assume people playing 5.0e have copies of the 4e or 3e DMG.

[hollow stone]

oh, huh

[frail wasp]

Blades in the dark, dungeon world, daggerheart, stars without number ...

[ripe nimbus]

and when we’re talking about whether something has core rules for the game, “well, you don’t need this one because there’s previous revisions of the same book that contain those rules” is kind of, not really a counterpoint? like, yes, but you still need some version of the DMG to run that

[feral fulcrum]

The only thing Pathfinder (2E) restricts from free use, is basically the fluff content/adventures in the books themselves

[ripe nimbus]

so the DMG is a core rulebook. if you don’t have it you are playing without all the rules

[feral fulcrum]

All the mechanical content is A-okay, you just have to spend for all the pretty art and fluff text explaining their vast setting and the like, Plus adventures.

[hollow stone]

The Great Big Book Of How To Play The Game

[reef tundra]

I don’t mind buying three books

And I bet I could have run the game fine with only the player’s handbook. It was essentially what I was doing for years

[ripe nimbus]

i mean i did it. but most rpgs im used to just one book, which i can get a $20 pdf of, having all the rules

[frail wasp]

Ideally the basic rules are all you need to play a base level game of dnd

And the books just ... give you more

[feral fulcrum]

I wonder when WOTC will get over their crippling fear of losing a single penny, and get with the times of PDF's.

[hollow stone]

yea, my only mind books when it's more than one is if the essential rules of the game release at different times, at which point i'm gonna start thrashing around and screaming like a motion activated halloween decoration lmao

[reef tundra]

Also I ran the game fine without spending a penny on it for years as well before I got the PHB

[ripe nimbus]

ideally, yes, the basic rules would give you the travel rules.

[frail wasp]

basic travel rules, sure, but deluxe travel rules I think its fair to ask for moneys

[reef tundra]

But anyway, I find this debate unproductive. I take my leave

[hollow stone]

we were debating?

i thought this was a casual conversation :(

[ripe nimbus]

i mean stuff as simple as “how to forage” and “what happens if the party gets lost”

that’s basic rules material that could come up in any campaign. there’s a reason travel activities, which are part of the basic game loop of travel, include foraging and navigating and such

you simply cannot run the basic travel game loop without the DMG.

that’s a problem! it’s on the same level of if the SRD didn’t tell you what happens when you get knocked to 0 HP.

[hollow stone]

tbh i don't even know the travel rules myself

[strong wave]

Are thri kreen mantis people

[woven flint]

Yes, they're also aliens

[strong wave]

What kind of alien

[woven flint]

... the Alien type of Alien

[still plover]

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Thri-kreen

[woven flint]

At least in Spelljammer

[hollow stone]

desert ones

[feral fulcrum]

The kind of Alien you find in space.

Ponders Are Neogi basically Daleks, but Space Spiders?

[ripe nimbus]

dmg (gah!) ch 2, “running exploration”
also includes things like “how much time things take in dungeon crawling” and “how far away you can see or hear things/things can see or hear you from” and “weather”

which is all p much needed if you care abt exploration much at all

[strong wave]

I'm gonna be real I didn't know DND even had space

[umbral girder]

Thri-Kreen hangout in the deserts too I think

[hollow stone]

yea sometimes there's space and a book called Spelljammer

[umbral girder]

Like not just Space dudes

[reef tundra]

It has so many strange versions of space :(

[hollow stone]

sometimes there's also The Far Realms that feel like somebody tried to write an eldritch without getting weird about how reality works when time doesn't exist

they say there's no time and no gravity and would ya look at that? beholders still have things that have happened to them and have yet to happen to them and are also exempt from gravity when they spawn into the material plane

[lavish flame]

Yeah, when u go up high enough u enter Fantasy In Space. Its actually its own setting, called Spelljammer.

[feral fulcrum]

Which has had a few forms over the years

[hollow stone]

it irks me: in a space beyond time but not space, there is no was and there isn't a will be, and motion as we understand it becomes completely impossible, as for a motion to occur an object has to have been in one location in the past to arrive at a different location at any other point in time, but without time, there's only the place, not the idea that it was there or wasn't anywhere else, nor could it ever arrive at a different location, because there is not time that can be used to traverse the space

[feral fulcrum]

The latest one kinda sucks and doesn't exist

[woven flint]

People also tend to forget that OUR world also exists within D&D lore!

[hollow stone]

i hear those Avantris people are manufacturing a new one to exist

[elder tree]

currently waiting on people playing slay the spire because they started a run less than 10 minutes before session

[feral fulcrum]

Sounds like they need a stern talking to about respecting other players time

And if they can't do that, Get the boot of +1 kicking.

[lavish flame]

this is kinda disrespectful of the alotted time for D&D, no?

[reef tundra]

If I were their dungeon master I would feel disrespected

I’d immediately be writing them down on the potentially kicking list

[hollow stone]

i mean it definitely depends on the duration of the spire game, right?

i've never played the videogame but if it's like, 4 minutes, that isn't so bad, right?

[reef tundra]

If they start something knowing it can bleed into session time without caring, I still find it disrespectful

[fossil hollow]

Slay the Spire... im fairly sure each run goes for a bit of time

[reef tundra]

Same

[lavish flame]

To my knowledge, you're looking at minimum 30 minute runs

[reef tundra]

Holy hell that is longer than I thought

[hollow stone]

yea that's a few inches more than just rude tbh

[elder tree]

guess todays sessions just gonna be half the party

most of the party is in the vc

one's recovering from a thing so makes sense they are busy and one literally just sad "Im good not in the mood" when I asked when they were gonna join the roll20

[reef tundra]

I think “not in the mood” is a little valid, but I’d definitely have said it differently to make it not sound like it’s some kind of convenience or thing to sometimes play when you’re in the mood

[elder tree]

Hes "not in the mood" because hes playing minecraft.

[fallow warren]

Hi, can I ask a gaming-related question here or are there other channels for that?

[hollow stone]

is the game dnd?

[fossil hollow]

what do you mean by gaming

[fallow warren]

Yes

[feral fulcrum]

If it's not D&D related it goes in #non-dnd-topics

[hollow stone]

then it's better fit you ask here than a server that isn't here

[fallow warren]

I just recently started thinking about the maximum possible AC

[fossil hollow]

#optimization

[umbral girder]

Ah then #optimization is the channel for this

[fallow warren]

Thanks guys, sorry for interrupting your conversation.

[fossil hollow]

no worries, its a public server. Convos live and die every minute

[reef tundra]

Now I’m thinking of my old paladin super tank

[hollow stone]

and you speak more on this?

[reef tundra]

Just an old team combo my party did

Already had 21 AC as a paladin, but during a fight with a powerful devil, the wizard cast haste on me, cleric cast shield of faith, and then some third thing happened that I can’t fully remember Bc it was a homebrew item, and suddenly my AC was 27

[elder tree]

wish half the party luck w/ the dragon bois

[reef tundra]

I believe jt was 27, somewhere around that range.

All I remember is standing as the one wall between the devil and my party, and holy hell did I take that job seriously

[reef tundra]

I wish you luck!

-# And I wish you better players

[elder tree]

is roll 20 having a stroke for anyone else

[fossil hollow]

#third-party

[lavish flame]

I play on Roll20 every week, the answer to this question is always gonna be yes

[elder tree]

yea but ive never see it roll everything 100 times lol

[hollow stone]

if you somehow get your hands on +3 Plate and Shield, and a few particular magic items "Of Protection" and the Shield Spell, you can likely get about 30+, right?

[glass granite]

Oh definitely

[rough basalt]

Ye

[reef tundra]

I never did get my hands on a +3 shield :(