dnd-discussion

[keen kestrel]

half the cast of naruto is monks

[reef tundra]

You’re gonna have to compromise

[limber trail]

(I dont hate vampires I've done so much vampire stuff in DnD they're awesome. What I actually hate is tokii.)

[keen kestrel]

also, his stats are pretty nutty if we're being honest

[limber trail]

he'd be a high level monk of some kind

realistically the truth is, if you wanna recreate them, most anime mcs are high level out the gate

[keen kestrel]

both high dex and high str and high con, no int and his wis is fine

[woven flint]

Hell yeah, I'll drink to that, brother

[prime pewter]

Okay it turns out I can make good character names

[woven flint]

I hate this Tokii guy too

[prime pewter]

My Dragonborn Paladin is named Howedoth "The Crocodile", and his dead mentor is named Father William

[short brook]

Do y'all think your PCs have a theme song 🤔

[limber trail]

I know some folks make playlists for their PCs, not heard of a single theme song

[prime pewter]

His dead mentor was very old, and not the strongest physically, but somehow always managed to pull of miracles or feats of strength

[errant crag]

I don't have theme songs for my PCs

[reef tundra]

I always pick one for my PCs

[empty thicket]

kinda, im now thinking which would fit him

[prime pewter]

Anyone who gets the joke can redeem it for one brownie point

[short brook]

sometimes music can get to the core of a character, I wonder if my PC had one what it would be composed of?

[empty thicket]

i think that maybe "ONE OK ROCK - NO SCARED" would fit , he is really resilient and bold so

[woven flint]

I don't typically choose theme songs lol

[limber trail]

i give them to npcs more than anything

[short brook]

Maybe not an already made song, but it's fun to ponder what you think it might be like. I think my character would be like a slow shamisen beat

[empty thicket]

i have in one campaign i am in, a mechanic of glory kill that let us recharge resources.
I doubt my dm let me someday but i would like to do a chain of glory kills//action surges that let me obliterate at least 3 enemies

[umbral girder]

Digital Circus theme

[short brook]

So pain

[silent narwhal]

I m a new DM and I had a question. How do you use a battlegrid? I just bought a cheap one. Do you guys draw on it live before you players or do you prepare it at home? Do you draw quick lines or detailed objects. I saw some YT videos where people showed me how some stairs are usually drawn, or the doors and so on but I feel like it would take a lot of time and my players would be waiting for me. Also pre drawing it at home seems a little weird... When you enter a cave, for example, do you just draw only the part that tha players can see and then keep drawing every time they go inside a new part of the cave? I would really apreciate some tips and trick. Thank you in advance!

[sly leaf]

I've been a player for years and im writing my first campaign if there are any experienced dms that would be willing to chat with me and give me some feedback id really appreciate it!

[woven flint]

#dm-discussion could help

[crimson gulch]

The trick is you draw just enough to give them an idea of the space for combat, and do all of the noncombat exploration theater of the mind

[errant crag]

Trying to get my new players to understand that an enemy having half cover doesn't mean that they shouldn't even try to attack them

My new players keep seeing that an enemy has Half Cover and opting to just not attack them

And I'm sitting here behind the screen like brother they have 11 AC without the cover please just attack them

[crimson gulch]

I prefer to put the number up for situations like that. "Ok they have half cover so that makes it a 15 to hit their ac

[errant crag]

I just don't wanna give them exact info about the stat blocks

[normal canyon]

How long can a level 2 character survive against 10 CR 2s

[errant crag]

But my players don't seem to have caught on that creatures that aren't guys in armor or made of stone or some such usually have fairly low AC

[errant crag]

Depends on a lot of things

If it's in a big flat open well lit field, they're lucky to survive the first round

[normal canyon]

A martial against 10 melee bois

[errant crag]

Depends on if they try to stay and fight

[normal canyon]

All of them fight

[upper lily]

Hey guys I just wanted to throw this out there! I've always really liked Vampire Werewolf hybrids since seeing underworld when I was way too young but I finally found a pretty good build in DND to pull off the fantasy Dhampir Lycan Bloodhuter! Making your main stats Dex, Con, and Wis! I have had some really fun sessions with the build myself!

[errant crag]

I meant the PCs

[lost flicker]

How do y'all feel about rebalancing repelling blast to require a strength save?

[errant crag]

10 CR2s against two second level players is going to be deadly

[errant crag]

Unnecessary imo

[normal canyon]

I survived 3 rounds against them tho in like a medium room

And then I died.

[lost flicker]

Personally I think just being able to use a cantrip and move somebody 10 - 40 feet at higher levels every round is a little hefty, no?

[empty thicket]

i would feel it balanced and ngl

giving STR saves are.. if im not wrong, rare in spells

[errant crag]

Not to me no

[broken imp]

very rare i think, usually just to break free from an spell's effect/condition after u failed the first saving throw

e.g. restrained by web, str to break free

[atomic kayak]

Not that wild at higher levels frankly, especially since gestures are warlocks broadly

Like would the change be fine? Sure. Probably. But its just really not necessary

[empty thicket]

yeah and that is another thing i have with STR
STR have what? 2 skills? yeah, its useful for carry capacity, armors, most weapons but...

Dext is the another martial option and is giga op in lot of senses

[atomic kayak]

Its really not, as much as parts of the community act like it is

[broken imp]

fr, it's used in more saves too

[empty thicket]

Initiative, most spells saves, add AC, some weapons scale good with it

[broken imp]

dodging various things

[empty thicket]

while str....
Carry stuff, some rare saves//rolls//skills and weapons damage...

If you tell me that you could tackle a push attack with pure strength i would see it fitting until some point

[lost flicker]

Ehh I hear what you're saying yeah

[atomic kayak]

The scores are all split into rare/common

(most easily demonstrated by the different saves classes get)

[errant crag]

Also having every blast from Eldritch Blast necessitate a strength save is gonna slow the game down

[broken imp]

higher lv = everything is normal (basically)

[empty thicket]

Paladin proceed to roll 20 dices of different kinds for 1 attack

[broken imp]

yea fr

"oh no i only dealt 269 points of damage"

[empty thicket]

Figther roll another 20 dices from his 4 attakcs + action surge + any extra feature + Battlemaster

i guess the point was made.
But yeah, would be a lil more thing but would be used for both sides too
An enemy can have such features and now the barbarian//Fighter//paladin would be able to just get closer easier if they success the save

Or an enemy can have a high str and success without problem and give a feeling of unstoppable monster

[limber trail]

It does require you to hit all of your attack rolls to move them the full 40ft, and it requires investing an eldritch invocation.

A fighter using a warhammer gets the exact same thing.

[errant crag]

Also pushing isn't inherently OP unless every combat is on precarious walkways above pits of lava

[pseudo pulsar]

i accidentally made remmy the rat into a dnd character. (college of cuisine plagueborn. plagueborns are just rats lol)

[empty thicket]

situational mostly, but i wont see it like a giga bad change

[ruby spire]

i just found out about the coolest game in my area

mork borg meets vampire the masquerade

[ripe nimbus]

how does that work?

[idle oar]

Sounds like an #non-dnd-topics discussion

but sounds fascinating

[lost flicker]

Way of the Four Elements Monk push requires a saving throw and still requires you hit on your attack, sure repelling blast requires an invocation but the WotFE push requires commitment to an entire subclass

Also fighters don't get spells,

[fossil hollow]

stares at EK

Or whatever the non setting PDK name is

[lost flicker]

It's not about every combat it's about requiring that no combats be in an area with an edge to the battlefield, I guess since warlocks are a little squishier it makes sense to wanna push people away for "a little breathing room" as the push weapon mastery says though

[lost flicker]

Blehh

[errant crag]

A combat with a cliff is THE TIME to have push abilities

[lost flicker]

I wanna say "but then it's essentially an auto win for the warlock" but I guess there's something to be said about a character using its strengths

[pseudo pulsar]

yall ever just want to suplex an enemy off a cliff?

[fossil hollow]

Why do you think i go for Giant or World Tree Barb

[pseudo pulsar]

a person of high class i see

[mighty tree]

I recently purchased the 2024 Eberron book and wondered why they've removed the immunity disease from Warforged - the immunity to magical sleep is still there but doesn't show on the character sheet for some reason.

[fossil hollow]

disease is no longer a thing, its Magical Contagions now

[mighty tree]

Alright understood. I assume they don't have immunities to those?

[fossil hollow]

they do not no

[mighty tree]

Thanks for the answer. My last one for now, but, is there anything to note about them now being Constructs?

[fossil hollow]

Theyre immune to spells like Hold Person

[lost flicker]

Hold Monster? I thought that targeted constructs

[mighty tree]

Hold Person?

[fossil hollow]

Typo

[lost flicker]

Oh wait no it's no constructs or undead

[mighty tree]

Okay understood.

[lost flicker]

Ohh damn

[fossil hollow]

Oh theyre weaker against Shatter

[mighty tree]

I assume the magical sleep immunity missing on dndbeyond is just something they haven't solved yet

[fossil hollow]

Disadvantage on the save against Shatter

[mighty tree]

I found a forum post about it being a thing originally

They might have tied it into Constructed Resilience but that's not the part giving sleep immunity anymore

[limber trail]

Yes, but fighters do get weapon mastery with warhammers which have the push mastery that lets you push an enemy 10ft every time you hit them with an attack roll

[lost flicker]

I'm aware, but that doesn't require near any commitment since you can change your mastery around every long rest, and fighters don't get spells

Also someone else already mentioned that we went over this

But no I think it's fine now

It's hefty but I can see where people are coming from in terms of rebalancing it not being necessary

[knotty vine]

PK fire

[knotty vine]

Ok but echo knight

Also theres a subclass all about giving fighter spells

[pseudo pulsar]

yall i need an opinion on this. im making a bunch of plagueborn (basically humanoid rats) for no reason other than i want characters to write about, and because im bored XD

im stuck between 2 subclasses for the bard (From Heliana's Guide to Monster Hunting). College of Cuisine, and college of Fleshweaving. They are both cool and i cant decide

[errant crag]

College of Cuisine

Become ratatouille

[feral fulcrum]

Traumatic Smash Bro's flashbacks

[north dagger]

Anyone’s thoughts on the new ravenloft book?

[pseudo pulsar]

XD

yknow what its unavoidable, i may as well lol

[fossil hollow]

i mean, its not out for another month, so

[north dagger]

Fair but just what’s been unveiled to be included in it?

[fossil hollow]

#1026901431132885064

[crimson gulch]

Can't wait till it comes out

[knotty vine]

My dm made a questionable call out today

For some strange reason me and my broom of flying share a movement speed

Which I dont think is the case at all

[errant crag]

It's description says it has a fly speed of 50ft unless it's holding more than 200 pounds

Unless you and your gear total to be above 200 pounds, then you should be able to fly 50ft while riding it as a mount

[knotty vine]

Not to mention my speed is only 40

so how does that even work

[errant crag]

You're not trying to like, Fly 50ft then get off and walk 40ft are you?

[knotty vine]

does it just lose out on 10ft of movement 😭

[knotty vine]

No im not that stupid but when I did try to do the oppisate he said that was the case

aka walk 20ft and then fly up

[umbral girder]

I got to be in a chase sequence against the head bad guy.

[errant crag]

I kinda wish the Broom of Flying was worded more clearly

[umbral girder]

My Barbarian was very difficult to escape

[errant crag]

But it doesn't really call itself a mount or a vehicle

It doesn't say "while riding the broom you have a fly speed equal to the broom's fly speed"

It's just not a very well defined item I feel.

[knotty vine]

I feel like "riding" means its a mount

[rough basalt]

Ran a bad session. Map was too big, too overstimulated from the day.

[errant crag]

The first part says
"This wooden broom functions like a mundane broom until you stand astride it and take a Magic action to make it hover beneath you, at which time it can be ridden in the air."

[errant crag]

I agree

[umbral girder]

Nah the session was a lot of fun.

[knotty vine]

another thing why is skill empowerment such a bad spell

[rough basalt]

I'm glad you managed to have fun but I really need to lock in

[north dagger]

I’m a little disappointed wizard isn’t getting necromancer in this expansion but I’m definitely looking forward to it regardless

[rough basalt]

I got Dungeon Alchemist now so looking forward to have more maps to use

[wooden bear]

im so new to dnd, im on episode 51 of critical role, and the two questions i havent had solved is what is dc, and how do you roll advantage/disadvantage. thanks for answering whoever does

[rough basalt]

difficulty class

[wooden bear]

ohh

[rough basalt]

and advantage is roll 2 d20s and take the highest, disadvantage is same and take the lowest

[errant crag]

The DC is the number you need to roll above to succeed at what you're trying

[knotty vine]

I just hit the jackpot!

[errant crag]

A DC 20 check means you need to roll above a 20

[wooden bear]

thank you so much

that makes a lot more sense now watching critical role

[umbral girder]

Equal or higher to 20

[rough basalt]

Well rolling the exact number im pretty sure is enough but yeah you want higher

[errant crag]

Right right right

Meets it beats it

[wooden bear]

<3

[rough basalt]

I'm gonna play around with Dungeon Alchemist

The hailstorm and tornado forming took up the last bits of time i had before my session to check it out

Everything aight but dang it felt like I angered the Elemental Evils

[broken imp]

i'm poor 😭

[woven flint]

Hello, lovely friends

[wooden bear]

i only got into dnd this year because of my housemate, hes a huge critical role/dimension 20 fan and i didnt know how much i liked it, so he go me into the campaigns

[rough basalt]

DnD is a lot of fun

And there's so many other systems for other games and types of games you might find interesting too

They're not as popular as dnd but most communities welcome new people, ones that don't are either the minority bad actors or a bad one.

[wooden bear]

since watching the campaign that i am, ive created a character. ive played bg3 before but havent finished it and im so eager to finish it now

again playing with my housemate

[rough basalt]

World of Io is another fun liveplay channel if you ever wanna check out another one

[errant crag]

I feel for whatever DM ends up having you at their table for the first time

[wooden bear]

im glad ive found this community

[rough basalt]

Their campaigns aren't as long as CR ones and theyre just hysterical

[wooden bear]

i know right

ive got the general sense of how to play so at least i wont be completely blind

[errant crag]

You sound like you've had a lot of expectations set up pretty high by Critical Role and BG3 both of which are far from typical D&D

[wooden bear]

not a whole lot, its good to watch and play but its not realistic to normal dnd, i know that

[errant crag]

As long as you go in with that in mind then you're golden

[umbral girder]

“I hate it when women smile at me then disappear” -World of IO Quote I used for today’s session.

[wooden bear]

i just like how my neurodivergent brain cant predict whats going to happen like with normal tv shows

and thats so exciting

[rough basalt]

Yeah thats why i like dnd. I like that stuff can always be different

[umbral girder]

Bad guy having trouble to escape an Elf Barbarian. She uses enchantments and my Barbarian is fast.

[rough basalt]

Man dungeon alchemist is gonna need a lot of room on my ssd

[wooden bear]

im still learning saving throws /checks like athletics/acrobatics

[rough basalt]

pain but good pain

[wooden bear]

etc

[wooden bear]

exactly

[strong wave]

I don't enjoy DND as much as I once did

[errant crag]

What kind of experiences are you looking to have with D&D?

[knotty vine]

Cyberpunk 2020 was fun

[strong wave]

I know it's a personal problem but it makes me sad

[cinder timber]

u play too much?

[strong wave]

I think I'm just too old/in a different point of my life

[wooden bear]

any, i really wanna get into a campaign and learn first hand. thats the best way i learn

[errant crag]

Well D&D games can be extremely different from table to table

[knotty vine]

Very

[wooden bear]

both my housemate and i want to get into a campaign no matter how difficult it is

or different

[cinder timber]

That's fair enough. I have definitely felt that too

[errant crag]

I wouldn't consider my usual style of DMing to be something newer players would be looking for

[wooden bear]

how do you mean

[errant crag]

I run games that aren't as narrative driven and are much more full of difficult combats and dungeon crawls where character death are real threats

[wooden bear]

that seems like a lot of fun to me though, the stress of having to make the right move and hoping you get good rolls, etc

however i do like a good stoey

i guess itll just take some time for me to find someone who balances both well

[jolly canyon]

Westmarch I'm in is very combat focused. Like 80/20 combat to rp and might even be more so

[errant crag]

Some DMs run games that are almost exclusively story and roleplay with very little combat and mechanical weight

[wooden bear]

i think for me personally, having heavy combat and "mechanical weight" as you say would be good as it would allow me to learn how each roll would affect each movement/action

[errant crag]

My low level games are definitely good for new players wanting to learn the mechanical rules of the game and such

[wooden bear]

thats the best way i learn, thrown into the deep end

[jolly canyon]

My campaign that I dm is about 50/50

[cursive fjord]

You know i just though of something. If you have your party and you decide to buy pizza and the dm decides to give you a better magic items that same session, I don't think people would agree that fair

[cinder timber]

fair?

[wooden bear]

the only character ive made is a tiefling wizard rogue and apparently rhats very oxymoronic

[cursive fjord]

But if you tell the dm I'll give you x amount of money for a magic items that just seems wrong

[errant crag]

I do not recommend multiclassing as a new player

[wooden bear]

i am planning to make more characters

[cinder timber]

I am a little confused by your messages

seems unfair either way

[knotty vine]

Forgive me lord for I have sinned

[cursive fjord]

I don't think the first one is unfair at all

[knotty vine]

Give me 400 gold and a blue magic item

[errant crag]

I recommend sticking to mono class characters until you have a really solid grasp of the rules/mechanics and level progression of each class. Multiclassing is a lot of fun but it's something that can very easily ruin a character if it's done without putting a lot of thought and consideration into it.

[cursive fjord]

That will be $7 or 2 McCrispy from McDonald's

[knotty vine]

seriously?

pay to win dnd rocks

[cursive fjord]

You give me food. I'll give you a ring of 3 wishes lol

Bro gotta eat

[knotty vine]

chat is this real

[wooden bear]

i think another one i made was a high elf paladin

[cloud valve]

Hi, i’ve been in this server for a minute but been too nervous to say anything because i don’t know much about DND like the specifics and noticed that like a lot of you guys do and it felt very intimidating and i’d love to learn. i just feel like there’s a lot more to it than i originally thought

[wooden bear]

that is a lot of help to know. thank you

[errant crag]

You should check out #learn-to-play and #dnd-newcomers if you wanna learn more.

[knotty vine]

honestly the best way to play dnd is to worry about whats on your character sheet and the basics

[cursive fjord]

Now i never have actually done that in a game before

[knotty vine]

Im learning to use foundry

[cursive fjord]

Though i would give say the person who bought the pizza a magic consumable item as a thank you

[rough basalt]

I gotta relearn

[cloud valve]

yes ofc!! i just didn’t want to come across as someone who did know much. i’d love to make friends who play, none of my friends are into it

[knotty vine]

bit confusing

[knotty vine]

magic pizza

[wooden bear]

i think i set up a multiclass well though, even if im not going to play them yet. is there a photo channel?

[rough basalt]

Now that i got dungeon alchemist im looking forward to putting it to use

but I need to level up my foundry game again

[errant crag]

What's your level split?

[cursive fjord]

Whats your idea?

[wooden bear]

i dont know, ive got a screenshot but i dont know where to send it

i dont know to both those questions

[knotty vine]

You know the more I looked into it the less dms I find who use muticlass recs

[rough basalt]

I'm not fully satisfied with how I'm running my games atm tbh. I feel like I could be doing a lot better.

[cursive fjord]

So a photo says what 2 classes you would want to be?

[knotty vine]

does paladin give you armor profs?

[errant crag]

Then yeah I wouldn't multiclass for now

[wooden bear]

wizard rogue

[knotty vine]

no you need strength for that

[cursive fjord]

Only if you start Pali

[knotty vine]

FIGHTER

You only need 13 dex or strength

[wooden bear]

im not planning to, i just had fun making the character. again i thjnk i set it up well but i dont know

[cursive fjord]

Your levels in rogue are taking away your top level spell casting

[errant crag]

Cleric is the way to go for armor proficiencies from MC dips since they can take the protector divine order for heavy armor prof at level 1

[wooden bear]

what do you mean

[glass granite]

Believe so yes

[knotty vine]

Yeah but I doubt ill be wearing heavy armor

I wanna be a wild magic sorcerer

[errant crag]

Putting one level into Cleric regardless of your initial class will give you Medium Armor prof and the option to take Heavy Armor prof with divine order

[knotty vine]

But I dont like having a low AC either

[cursive fjord]

Your delaying when you would normally get your stronger spells but multiclassing. Most Full casters HATE multiclassing

[glass granite]

Nothin wrong with armor and sorcerer except speed

[cursive fjord]

Unless it 1-2 levels

[errant crag]

Yeah caster classes don't play well with Multiclassing

[woven flint]

Cowardice.

[knotty vine]

2024 muticlassing is not the best rn

[wooden bear]

ohhh okay

[knotty vine]

Lets go gambling

[woven flint]

Just TAKE the hits

[knotty vine]

NO

Im not taking my armor off

I would wear plate if i had the stregnth!

[woven flint]

My Cleric doesn't wear armor :]

[knotty vine]

Thats you!

I dont like getting hit

[cursive fjord]

Iirc my highest ac i ever got to was 32

[knotty vine]

I think mine was like... only 22?

[cursive fjord]

Around level 12ish

[knotty vine]

only cause I had +1 plate and a +2 shield

[glass granite]

Mine was 27

[knotty vine]

Despite loving armorer artifcter

[glass granite]

Warforged, defence fighting style, full plate, and I casted Shield

[knotty vine]

I never play it

They should have kept it as power armor

[cursive fjord]

+2 plat , +2 shield, defense fighting style Shield of Faith, and Shield spell as backup all with a Steel defender causing Disadvantage

[cursive fjord]

I miss UA warforged 😭

[knotty vine]

Im not a big fan of Warforged UA

getting plate armor at level 1 is kinda crazy

Not to mention it doesnt slow you down what so ever

[woven flint]

Nobody questioned this? 🤔

He's a tortle.. but, I'm surprised nobody was like
"ThAt'S nOt HoW yOu PlAy ClErIc!"

[cursive fjord]

Only issue was PB to AC, I LOVE the feeling of each one having a specialty

[rough basalt]

Hope the sessions I run next week will be better.

[glass granite]

I already knew lol

[knotty vine]

Not every cleric needs to wear armor

[rough basalt]

For when the white dragon uses domain expansion: eternal winter on Tokii

[woven flint]

Well...

[cursive fjord]

1 dip into monk as a cleric and dont buff str and use dex instead

[knotty vine]

Power Armor
Beginning at 3rd level, your metallurgical pursuits have led to you making armor a conduit for your artificer magic. As an action, you can turn a suit of heavy armor you are wearing into power armor, provided you have smith’s tools in hand. You gain the following benefits while wearing the power armor:

[knotty vine]

Play a minotaur and then say holy cow

I had a gimmick character to whenever someone said the word horse my druid would wildshape into a horse

Funny curse

Thank god it didnt use up my wildshapes BUT I couldnt willing it drop it so I just had to wait around as a horse for 2 hours

[woven flint]

I'd definetly say that if you're a full cleric and not wearing armor and aren't playing a species with natural armor...
You're definetly doing.. something

[knotty vine]

shi maybe

But still the only reason old warforged didnt make it out of the play test is because you can just take a dip into fighter and sure you have disadvantage on all stealth check forever but you get 18 ac + prof bonus

[proven nacelle]

im noticing an intresting thing when it comes to the command spell. only one of the suggested options of command states that it cant do anything other then its command, that being halt. nor does it say the command must be the first thing it obeys on its turn. so say you were to use grovel on a flying dragon within the actual written text of both 5.5 and 5.0 versions of the spell theoretically the dm could have the dragon fly down before going prone....

[knotty vine]

Pretty much plate without the big disadvantage of reducing your movement speed

And again it also scales so once you reach level 5 your ac would become 19 and so on

[knotty pebble]

Random question what you guys think the number 1 best skill for a paladin is

[knotty vine]

persuration maybe?

[fossil hollow]

Ironically, Stealth. BUt i like Persuasion/Intimidation

[knotty vine]

stealth for a paldin is wild

[knotty pebble]

Lmfao I can imagine that all the clanking

[knotty vine]

I have a question for Just ti

[knotty vine]

there a reason why almost all medium armor gives disadvanage on stealth checks

I think half plate is the only out lyer

No its breast plate

[fossil hollow]

yes?

[knotty pebble]

But imagine if there was some guy running paladin with stealth and has insane luck, just all nat 20s

[umbral girder]

Especially insane since they usually have disadvantage

[knotty vine]

Wait why does padded armor give disadvantage?

But studded leather doesnt?

that weird

[umbral girder]

Have you worn padded armor?

[knotty pebble]

I can actually answer that one

[knotty vine]

no

[fossil hollow]

i can only imagine the squeaking of leather

[knotty vine]

Ohhhhh

[woven flint]

Makes it pretty damn hard to move carefully

[umbral girder]

Yep.

[knotty vine]

instead of clank clank its squeak squeak

[umbral girder]

Honestly if they wanted to replicated padded armor you'd get so many more debuffs

[knotty vine]

I prefer breast or full plate

[errant crag]

Gambeson when

Where is my Gambeson

Has anybody here ever made a character and actually had them wear Hide Armor

[rough basalt]

No

[umbral girder]

It’s the perfect armor for a Rogue

It’s made of Hide

[tame estuary]

I have a question for DMs

Are players really disposable? Is it really easy to get new ones to replace the people who leaves?

[strong wave]

If a player dies and has no backup character is it a dnd faux pas to leave early

[tame estuary]

Not PC

Something about what urizt once said stick out to me

[strong wave]

The odds are good but the goods are odd

[errant crag]

Are you the player

[strong wave]

Yes

[tame estuary]

Just get new players, not that hard

But for me it's always hard, every single time, am I doing something wrong

[strong wave]

Online or irl

[tame estuary]

Online

[errant crag]

I mean the act of finding new players can be easy but it can be rough to have players leave your game or to need to remove a player from the game

[flint ledge]

Online you could just always look here. From what I hear there's a LOT of people trying to find games compatible with them

[errant crag]

I'd say yeah it's a bit of a faux pas; it shows a bit of a lack of investment in the story and other characters. When my character dies and I don't have a backup ready I start making a new character at the table

[strong wave]

Back in the day I would go to the /tg/ irc channel to find players but now this discord is the only real place I know to recruit

[tame estuary]

I see, you can always find players online

[strong wave]

Okay that's what I thought I just have. Ahard time making characters

[tame estuary]

So it should be easy to let it go right?

[errant crag]

Not always

It can be rough to have a player quit your game or to have things get to the point of needing to remove someone

And trying to replace that player can feel bad

That's a pretty normal way to feel about it

[strong wave]

Pink do you only have pink dice

[errant crag]

No but I do collect pink dice

[tame estuary]

Is both responses normal?

[errant crag]

The local game store cannot keep pink dice on the shelf long enough for anyone else to get them

[tame estuary]

Should you feel sad of letting someone go or should you be indifferent, I don't know what's the right one

Indifference would be rational because you can eaaily replace people online

[strong wave]

Well how do you feel

[tame estuary]

Conflicted

[glass granite]

I’d say conflicted is how you should feel, that’s the most human reaction

[strong wave]

You can't easily replace people you can fill a spot in a game sure but the personality and mannerisms will always be different so even if there's an abundance of players you may have a hard time finding a replacement you vibe with

[prime pewter]

Fun fact! My Dragonborn Paladin is as smart as the average Ogre!

[strong wave]

He got bonked too many times

[tame estuary]

Yeah, nothing I can do about the situation I guess

[prime pewter]

Yknow its bad when grog strongjaw is smarter than your character XD

[strong wave]

Dragonborn paladin drooling in the corner

[flint ledge]

I'm sure you can't wait to be hit by an intelligence saving throw

[strong wave]

Do dragonborn have tails

[prime pewter]

Drooling over the though of feasting on the hearts of the wicked

[feral fulcrum]

Not to my knowledge, no

[umbral girder]

Sure

[flint ledge]

Only some I believe

[umbral girder]

The PHB Dragonborn have tails

In the 5.5e PHB I should note

The example easiest to see is the Monk artwork

[strong wave]

Is that the white dragonborn

[umbral girder]

Yep

Fighting all those werewolves

Although thinking back is it a white Dragonborn or silver?

[prime pewter]

It looks silver

Just checked

[feral fulcrum]

According to the Forgotten Realms Wiki only a rare few are born with tails, and it's apperently seen as a Deformity.

[strong wave]

That's rough

[umbral girder]

Yeah recent content just made Dragonborn with tails more common

BG3 and 5.5e mainly

[flint ledge]

That could probably be outdated for 2014

[umbral girder]

Dragonborn have only been around since 4e so things could be changing

[flint ledge]

Because back then it specifically mentioned no tails in the phb

[umbral girder]

I wonder….

[coarse ravine]

Why? Cant you just customize how you wanta look?

I made a Goliath druid and all the animals had no fur

[umbral girder]

Not as common as I thought looking in the PHB. So far I only see the Monk Dragonborn with a tail

Ah the Valor Bard has a tail, a big one too

[feral fulcrum]

You can flavor anything your dm will allow you to. However, that doesn't magically make your neon pink, five tailed Human with bunny ears and snake tail, canon. As an exaggerated example.

[umbral girder]

Looks at the bright green skinned Human Ranger with horns in Tasha’s

[coarse ravine]

I mean.... with a spell maybe

Alter self could pull this off

[prime pewter]

A Hexblood has breached containment!!

[umbral girder]

This was before Hexblood

[prime pewter]

Darn

[feral fulcrum]

Well, it couldn't, because snake tails count as limbs, and that wonders into the Nonstard Anatomy wording of it IIRC

I'd had to actually double check

Ah, I was misremembering the rules text for Changelings, rather then Alter-Self

But still, that's a temporary thing, rather then a permanent state.

[coarse ravine]

Capstone moon druid my loxodons trunk had hands

Pretty fun

[umbral girder]

Ah the cult of the dragon Dragonborn also has a tail.

The Spellfire initiate Dragonborn also has a tail.

Yeah new content really likes to give Dragonborn tails now

[feral fulcrum]

Probably thinks it looks cooler and didn't care for the old lore

[coarse ravine]

Looked it up sais they didn't have them to differentiate them from half dragons. Making them for sure "Humanoid"

[feral fulcrum]

,,,Or the artists didn't know about it.

I honestly don't know with WOTC because of the whole Lemur thing in MTG

There have been alot of dumb things regarding the art over the years

[umbral girder]

Someone at WOTC also could have went “well that’s silly” and ignored it

Because we got tieflings who have tails and it’s not a problem

[tame estuary]

were tieflings supposed to not have tails?

[feral fulcrum]

Tiefling art is pretty mixed for 5E.

[errant crag]

I've always seen them with tails

[feral fulcrum]

Because like, most of it is of I think, a 'standard' kind of Zariel Tiefling?

[errant crag]

I wanna play as a Dwarf Tiefling

[coarse ravine]

Hm?

[crude echo]

🤔

[coarse ravine]

Whos fhe daddy? And who's the mom?

[errant crag]

Yeah like a Tiefling with Dwarvish heritage

[humble cairn]

Tieflings can be from any humanoid parentage.

[feral fulcrum]

And pretty much ignores all the less oustandinging Red Skinned and Devilish looking ones that exist.

[humble cairn]

Neither parent has to be a fiend.

[errant crag]

Planetouched Dwarf

[umbral girder]

Yeah not even your grandparents

[feral fulcrum]

Tieflings don't even need to involve devilish parents at all.

[humble cairn]

Tieflings can also have any sort of fiendish features now, not just the standard hooves/horns/tails.

[coarse ravine]

Odd

[feral fulcrum]

They're like Aasimar's and Sorcerors, you can touch a magic rock and end up weird

[umbral girder]

Mutated by the lower plane’s magics

[feral fulcrum]

Messing with Fiendish/Celestial/Sorcerous powers is odd and random like that

[tame estuary]

can you wear hats if you're a tiefling?

[feral fulcrum]

You have a head, don't you?

[coarse ravine]

Top hat

[tame estuary]

well it depends on the horns you see

[coarse ravine]

Lots of cool hats. I can easily see a tiefling with a wizard hat

Horns go into the top part

[tame estuary]

sideways bull horns? perfect, upper front devil horns? might need to cut some holes in

[umbral girder]

You could design a hat with horns in mind

[flint ledge]

I'd argue you don't necessarily even need a head to wear a hat

[tame estuary]

bold claim

[feral fulcrum]

You'd find it very hard to wear a hat without a head

[coarse ravine]

Headless hatmen

[errant crag]

I'm thinking Dwarf with devilish facial hair and horns, very classic Tiefling look but on a Dwarvish framework

Dwarf with a Tiefling coat of paint

[coarse ravine]

Dwarf with fiendish eyes would look pretty sick

[umbral girder]

Bearded devil dwarf

[errant crag]

Wonder if my 2024 DM would let me play a 2014 PHB Mountain Dwarf

[humble cairn]

What constitutes devilish facial hair?

[feral fulcrum]

Evil twirly mustache, obviously

[errant crag]

Beard coming to a nice point, evil twirly mustache

[feral fulcrum]

And a Goatee

[errant crag]

Stereotypical devil facial hair

But its on a Dwarf Tiefling

[tame estuary]

the Jafar

[errant crag]

Low-key I've never seen Aladdin

[humble cairn]

Ahh okay.

[errant crag]

Very devilish look for my dwarf Tiefling

[feral fulcrum]

Distinctively recommend the old one with Robin WIlliams over the new one.

[limber adder]

Are there any magical weapons (e.g. swords, axes, etc. but not wands) that don't have mundane counterparts? Preferably uncommon or common. Third party is a-okay.

[umbral girder]

Storm Boomerangs

#third-party is where you want for non-official stuff

[errant crag]

I don't need to be a Bard to attune to a Lute of Thunderous Thumping do I

[umbral girder]

Nope. But you need to be a bard for the charisma usage for attacks

[tame estuary]

actually that movie is also really really bad

[errant crag]

I just want a Club with 2d6 thunder damage low-key

[umbral girder]

It’s Strength for everyone that isn’t bard

[tame estuary]

not the robin william parts of course

[errant crag]

I've seen the new one and thought it was fine

[tame estuary]

everything else is a textbook example of orientalism

[errant crag]

I probably have seen the original when I was younger

[feral fulcrum]

I'm very sad my group's skipping this weekend.

[minor cargo]

Don’t worry. They changed the lyrics in the Arabian Nights song so it’s okay now. ✌️/s

[cloud bison]

what published race has the most cantrips?

[errant crag]

In 5.5e Humans can take two origin feats allowing them to start with 4 Cantrips and 2 first level spells if they take two instances of Magic Initiate

[cloud bison]

ah sorry, i mean what published race has the most cantrips as a feature baseline

are there any with more than one?

[knotty vine]

I was so happy until I found out I have to pay more money to get my monster into foundry TTV

[tame estuary]

don't all the tieflings also get thaumaturgy?

[knotty vine]

I doubt

[flint ledge]

Yeahhh either that or a lot of effort. That's mostly cause the foundry team has to program all the stuff again so it works properly

[knotty vine]

Guess ill pay the 10$ and bite the bullet

[cloud bison]

isnt there a race/class/something that lets you cast enlarge on yourself?

[flint ledge]

Duergar and fairies

Those 2 I believe can

[cloud bison]

duergar is close, cause it only targets you, but isnt there a subclass that only lets you do the enlarge half and not reduce?

[flint ledge]

There's path of the giant barbarian

[paper portal]

and rune knight

[limber trail]

Giant barb doesn’t technically cast the spell

It just gets the effects

[flint ledge]

Sounds like a win to me

[cloud bison]

ah maybe it did in the UA or something

[limber trail]

Well it does make you bigger

But it’s not casting the spell on account of barbarians not being able to cast spells

[errant crag]

Goliaths in 5.5e can also become large

[limber trail]

(I say this to mean, giant barbarian does increase your reach and you become larger, but it’s not actually the enlarge spell and doesn’t provide all the benefits that spell provides)

[cobalt owl]

Bonus action: big

[cobalt owl]

It also means it can't get dispel magic'd

[limber trail]

Also very true

[fiery nimbus]

Is the wording setting them to large or one size bigger?

[little basin]

Is war caster a good feat

[fiery nimbus]

Depends, are you expected to get hit?

[little basin]

Yeah

[glass granite]

It’s usually considered a good feat for spellcasters

[flint ledge]

Yeah imo it's basically a must have for any spell caster wanting to do concentration spells

[little basin]

What is the rule with concentration spells

[fiery nimbus]

Are you using lots of concentration spells?

When picking warcaster I usually think about
-will I get hit?
-do I have spells to sustain

[safe cargo]

I have an idea for a patron for a warlock or maybe a deity for a cleric where you can use the breath weapon of a dragon (being the dragon is their “god” or patron) as like a astral blade that is sent from your sword or axe but for roleplay you can give it a cool name like wyvern slash or something like that

[fiery nimbus]

So a Dragonborn feature....

[safe cargo]

Something like that but any race can use it since it’s like a gift their patron gives them you can even nerf it to like once per long rest they can use that ability

[fiery nimbus]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2619150-dragons-breath?srsltid=AfmBOoqT6HwxPyu9n96Qc6VY38hyDL4Z0MmCi_0gm-nPf17vcGRWPzqp

[safe cargo]

I think we have a miscommunication it’s coming from the weapon itself.

[fiery nimbus]

Oh you mean a breath weapon as a pact of breath or something like that?

[safe cargo]

Kinda like those anime projectile attacks

[past blaze]

Why would it have to be mechanically tied to a weapon?
Just granting that spell alone gives the opportunity to do so

Remember, flavour is free

[safe cargo]

They are using the weapon as a conductor of sorts to channel said attack

[past blaze]

That'd be a very restrictive limitation

[safe cargo]

I mean from what I’ve read (I may be misinterpreting some of it) clerics are kinda restricted to channeling from their deity in terms of magic based attacks?

[past blaze]

Clerics get the Spellcasting feature

Channel Divinity requires a holy symbol

What you're describing is tying a feature to "coming from the weapon itself"

[safe cargo]

Ahh so I did misinterpret it then maybe I might wanna use it as more of a divine smite type deal they get to add like a one d8 for whatever color dragon they are too their smite?

Like for fire or poison or whatever attribute the dragon is

[past blaze]

If you wanna discuss making something anew, #homebrew will be the place to be
whereas here would be more general discussion of existing official content

[safe cargo]

Ohhh I didn’t see that section

[errant crag]

This is definitely a flavor moment though

[fiery nimbus]

You can steal a feature from drakewarden ranger though

[errant crag]

You could easily cast the Dragon Breath spell and just flavor it as this sword made of dragons breath whenever you repeat the cast during the duration.

[fiery nimbus]

Why rediscover a circle if circle is circling

[errant crag]

"My character breathes fire into his hand to form a blade that he uses to slash elemental waves at the enemies!" But mechanically, it's just the Dragon Breath spell.

[safe cargo]

Ahhh that’s a way to flavor it but im heading to homebrew section to stay out of trouble lol

[fiery nimbus]

My sword sets the very air aflame, have at it heathen

[errant crag]

Well re-flavoring isn't homebrew, it's just how you describe the appearance and or visuals of what your character is doing and how it looks in the world

[safe cargo]

I was wanting to add damage based on the dragon type

[errant crag]

But on your sheet, you're just casting Dragon Breath because it's mechanically fitting for what you're describing

[elder elbow]

Dragon type damage?

[errant crag]

Dragon Breath lets you choose from a selection of different elements based on the Dragons

[fiery nimbus]

We have dragon weapons that do just that from the treasury of fizbin

[safe cargo]

Like the slashing damage from a sword plus whatever element the dragon is like 1d8 fire damage or something

[errant crag]

There are magic weapons that do stuff like that I'm sure

[fiery nimbus]

My ranger prided themselves on using a bow made out of dragon wingbone with a string made out of dragons sinew

[safe cargo]

Did he/she slay said dragon to make the bow lol

[errant crag]

Dragon's Wrath Sword

[safe cargo]

Okay so there is a weapon like that already made lol ahaha

[errant crag]

Yeah and it comes in different levels of strength iirc

[fiery nimbus]

Yes

[errant crag]

Based on its rarity

[fiery nimbus]

Yea here is the link
https://www.dndbeyond.com/magic-items/4047217-dragons-wrath-weapon

They are called Dragons wrath weapons

[safe cargo]

Yeah I wanted to make a Dragonborn ranger tha hunted dragons because the lad hated his kin for murdering his dad but i couldn’t find a dm willing to add dragons to a campaign so far

[fiery nimbus]

Good pick, rangers have drake warden subclass that gets a small drake accompanying them that grows in size as you level

[safe cargo]

Yeah the morbid thing is his bow is made out of the remains of his father

[fiery nimbus]

Welcome to the dungeons and dragons, place with suspicious lack of either

[fiery nimbus]

Magical weapon?

[safe cargo]

One dm told me that a young dragon would of been too much for level 10s and yes it was gonna add 1D6 necrotic damage due to it being made of bone of a dead dragon

[fiery nimbus]

This DM doesn't know anything, rested party can punch way above their CR

[hot gate]

A young red dragon is CR 10, so that's not even that much of a challenge for a party of level 10s.

The CR system is a bit wonky that way, but it does make sense once you read up on it more.

[safe cargo]

I told him that and we argued then the next session we faced a wizard and he targeted me first the dm gave him legendary resistance against my arrows and stuff and my character magically “died”

[hot gate]

That doesn't sound very fun

[safe cargo]

Dude had main character energy and when I questioned him my character was killed

[severe rampart]

How exactly did your character die?

[fiery nimbus]

I had DM experiment with cr in one shot, the highest we could have punched at level 5 was young red dragon that couldn't fly

So long you don't get one shot it's pretty doable

[hot gate]

Yeah that sounds about right. Though the "not flying" is a massive qualifier.

[safe cargo]

The wizard used power word kill and when our wizard tried using counterspell the dm said it didn’t work

[severe rampart]

So... he thought you weren't powerful enough to take on a young dragon... but was powerful enough for a wizard with Power Word Kill?

[safe cargo]

Pretty much made our wizard use a spell slot just to be like it failed

[hot gate]

ngl it sounds a bit like that DM is just flying by the seat of their pants

Are they open to feedback? It seems like they need some.

[errant crag]

My level 6 players killed an Adult Green Dragon with a pretty balanced scrap

[fiery nimbus]

It's pretty rough to go after flying enemy without any good grounding at level 5. Flying dragon got no real reason to you know... Stop flying

[safe cargo]

I think he made up the wizard having that spell just to kill off my ranger cause I hurt his ego

[severe rampart]

hope you left that table

[errant crag]

Although I'm not really experienced to know if this is normal or not

[safe cargo]

I did and called him out for his behavior

[hot gate]

Sure, though it's one successful earthbind or topple mastery away from not being able to.

[hot gate]

It's definitely going to be a hard fight, but single enemies like that are pretty swingy.

Meaning you could get wiped out, but might just as well get some lucky hits or failed saves in, completely changing the outcome.

[fiery nimbus]

My first level paladin killed Orog in a single combat

[safe cargo]

Nice I did retire my character in another campaign at a different table

[hot gate]

I hope you have more fun at a different table! If everyone clicks, it's truly a magical experience.

It just takes a while to find likeminded people.

[errant crag]

They were in a jungle so there a whole bunch of various snakes that were also going after the players

[past blaze]

An Orog?

[safe cargo]

Oh yeah and we fought a silver adult dragon difficult fight but nothing too bad

[errant crag]

They were also a party of 6 with a considerable amount of magic items

[fiery nimbus]

Yes, let's not get crazy they were twice my cr

[errant crag]

So them killing an Adult Green Dragon supported by winged venomous snakes and swarms of venomous snakes and some giant lizards is probably reasonable

The funny thing about that fight is I gave them a chest of Antitoxins and Potions of Poison Resistance and not a single potion got drank

Except healing potions that they brought, that is

[past blaze]

But what if they really need them in the future?

[safe cargo]

My bow had necrotic damage due to it being made of my characters dads bones and that’s what helped us also being in a party where your cleric rolls nat 20s on healing spells helps too

[past blaze]

how would they roll a nat "20" on a healing spell?

[safe cargo]

It was a homebrew mechanic our dm did it was fun made the fights more intense

[errant crag]

The other funny thing is the level 6 players almost died to the CR <1 venomous snakes just going through the jungle leading up to the Dragon encounter

[fiery nimbus]

Saving them for next characters

[errant crag]

I had made a dungeon that was just overgrown jungle wilds with small sections of clearing and such

[fiery nimbus]

That implies healing can miss

[past blaze]

Honestly what else can you expect

ah, this shall surely be easy, slight attrition!
near TPK

[fiery nimbus]

I remember when an animated floating jar almost TPKed our party, it downed 3 players

[past blaze]

Right into

Now this should put them on the edge of their seat! True danger!
barely an inconvenience

[errant crag]

There was so much poison damage taken during those two sessions

[past blaze]

they come back to town and they're all green

[hot gate]

Often the way it is, yeah.

Boss encounter! Pcs proceed to crit 10 times.
Random gnoll encounter. One pc dies, the others run away.

[fiery nimbus]

Dice have choose goblin the bomblin as the party nemezis, who are you DM to question the wisdom of the gods

[errant crag]

Almost every character of mine that had died was killed by throwaway nothing encounters

[safe cargo]

Yeah actually our artificer almost died because the cleric rolled a nat 1 so the the dm said “as you go to approach the artificer to heal him you trip on a branch and eat dirt healing spell fails” funniest interaction of that fight

[errant crag]

I have 1 character that died by a BBEG/boss

Every other one was complete bozos

[fiery nimbus]

Oh no

[hollow hawk]

that is cruel!

[safe cargo]

Luckily our cleric had another turn before he went to 0

[hot gate]

I really don't like homebrew nat 1 stuff like that, but if yall had fun, that's all that counts!

[errant crag]

I think it stems from D&D media

Like shows and actual plays and such

Where they run stuff like that for dramatic effect

[hot gate]

BG3 also does it, so that didn't help

[safe cargo]

Like critical role?

[errant crag]

I can't speak on Critical Role I've never watched any of it

I don't know if they do that

[hollow hawk]

I had a dude try to lift another unconscious dude, rolled a 1 and I decided he messed up his back... was amazingly fun (since there was no combat after that point)

[safe cargo]

You’ve never watched Matt Mercer ?

[errant crag]

I've watched things he's acted in

And voice acted in

[safe cargo]

Such a great actor though makes for a great dm

[hollow hawk]

Critical role is both the best and the worst thing to happen to DnD

[fiery nimbus]

Hate? Hate? Hate? Hate, Let me tell you how much I’ve come to HATE critical fumbles since I began to live. There are 387 million miles of printed circuits that fill my complex. If the word “Hate” were engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles. It would not equal one one billionth of the hate I feel for critical fumble homebrew at this micro instant- Hate? HATE? Were I a player, I think, I would die of it. But I am not,

[hot gate]

Deep breaths Cookies!

[safe cargo]

Our cleric was so upset she failed that save

[fiery nimbus]

Whoever invented the critical fumble rules brought scourge upon this blessed lands

[errant crag]

Bro dropped the nanoangstrom

[hot gate]

D&D itself probably did

[fiery nimbus]

How can I breath if I share the air with the inventor of critical fumble

[hot gate]

I'm sure there is a dragon magazine somewhere with them in it

[safe cargo]

I would of thrown him my healing potion but per the rules of dnd I was too far away to throw it

[errant crag]

Do yall let your players throw healing potions to heal people?

[fiery nimbus]

Oh you don't know what happend at the last table I played that had critical fumbles

[hot gate]

I usually don't, because the visual is just so silly.

"let me try to smash this glass vial into your face from a distance"

[safe cargo]

If I dmed I would it would be a cool element

[fiery nimbus]

I guess that's an alternative to healing word

[errant crag]

I let it be a bonus action for my players to use or administer it to someone else (RAW for 5.5e) but I also houserule that they can use an Action to drink the potion and get the full healing instead of rolling

I don't let them throw it

Well they could

But it would be an improvised attack

But I would also not spring that on a player if they said they did that before that had been clarified, I'd tell them about this ruling of course

As funny as that would be

[safe cargo]

Yeah I guess if I remember correctly our cleric tried either healing hands or word but either way she failed and her character ate dirt

[fiery nimbus]

Where is this DM, let me at them let me at them

[past blaze]

The only thing that comes to mind, is just
"Ahh, I feel so refreshed and healed"
the nefarious half of a broken glass bottle sticking out of their head:

[fiery nimbus]

[fiery nimbus]

Shrapnel makes sure potion makes it to the bloodstream

[safe cargo]

That’s the campaign I had fun in and we killed a silver dragon and opened up an adventurers tavern for newcomers (as we retired our characters

[errant crag]

Darn why did you do the Silver Dragon like that

They're usually some of the more heroic good dragons

[safe cargo]

Turns out the mayor of the town that we tried saving was a corrupted silver dragon

[errant crag]

Fair enough

[hot gate]

That's a neat twist

[fiery nimbus]

I still want to gently explain to them why DM mandated critical fumble is such a horrible, abhorrent inhumane, intolerable, inexcusable mistake of a mechanic

[safe cargo]

We only found out because the rogue snuck in trying to gain “intel” more like stealing their stuff and seen the mayors true form

[hot gate]

hides the other ttrpgs that have it built in per default

[safe cargo]

They apologized to the cleric afterwards after seeing how upset she got for failing

[errant crag]

I made a Human Draconic Sorcerer who had joined a Silver Dragon Cult that were heroic liberators but they made her partake in a ritual that made her forget all of her life before joining the cult, specifically to forget the horrible tragedy and the grief fueled vengeance she felt that motivated her towards being a member of this "heroic" faction.

[cobalt owl]

"Nat 1s aren't bad enough"

The DM probably

[safe cargo]

That’s a cool story

[fiery nimbus]

Critical fumble is nice and fun until you fail a perception check and DM docks 2 AC from your armour permanently

[safe cargo]

At least you didn’t eat dirt

[cobalt owl]

Other ttrpgs also have it in consideration when making stuff

[hot gate]

It's usually not the failing that makes people upset, it's more often the DM inventing new bad things that make the character look like a joke.

But good on them for apologizing. It seems like a learning experience!

[safe cargo]

For context the artificer was her husband…

[fiery nimbus]

I had DM break our fighters hand for failing an attack roll making them unable to use two handed weapons

[cobalt owl]

Sounds cringe

[fiery nimbus]

It was

[hot gate]

Well now I'm starting to understand the level of your dislike for crit fumbles.

That's truly unique levels of bad.

[fiery nimbus]

After like 3 sessions I snapped and that was it for the table

[safe cargo]

She got to emotionally invested because of who played the character but still they apologized anyway

[fiery nimbus]

The DM banned healing spells Without telling anyone they did that

[cobalt owl]

Is that not like session 0 stuff

[hot gate]

Oh I thought the DM apologized. Never mind then

[safe cargo]

They did I was adding context

[fiery nimbus]

I am strangulation level touchy when it comes to critical fumbles

[cobalt owl]

PTSD colorized

[safe cargo]

Yeah our dm said the next campaign he does crit fails won’t be in it

[fiery nimbus]

Good, if player wants to fumble on one, let them describe it themselves voluntarily

[safe cargo]

Yeah he felt bad after kinda tugging on the heartstrings of our cleric since her husband played the artificer in the party and seeing how upset she got he doesn’t want to make anyone unhappy playing a game they love

[hot gate]

It's okay to have "lows" in the game, because that accentuates the "highs". The problem with crit fumbles is that it's not a "low" everyone agrees on being part of the game that we all agreed to sit down and play.

[feral fulcrum]

I mean, you can have a group all agree to it.

There have been exactly 0 issues with my DM using Crit Fumbles over 3 years of play.

[fiery nimbus]

Also problem when lows are really low and heights barely spike

[safe cargo]

Yeah it was just a in the moment she was heavily invested in the story and it spilled over and the dm felt bad because he saw how much fun she was having before then after

[hot gate]

There being an imbalance of lows and heights can certainly be a broader problem, yeah. Even beyond fumbles.

[feral fulcrum]

All it requires, is a DM, that recognizing that Crit Fails, shouldn't do anthing too crazy or stupid, and should at all times, be beleivable, and not crippling unless the risk of that makes sense and matches the difficulty/danger of the task.

[hot gate]

It also requires everyone to agree that they should be in at all, optimally as part of a session 0.

[past blaze]

crit fails have no place in D&D because it's already the worst possible outcome it doesn't have to be extra worse

[feral fulcrum]

Run off of 'Fail forward' rather then 'fail and start dying horribly'

[safe cargo]

Well ours implemented a homebrew mechanic where you gotta roll for healing spells and when she rolled a 1 her character ate dirt and the spell failed cause she tripped over a root

[fiery nimbus]

At some point the players just tune out like a beaten dog because what is the point of doing anything if it don't feel good, and it breaks my heart to see it. And I've seen it at that table with critical fumbles on new players

Beaten down unwilling to do anything

[feral fulcrum]

Hard disagree, they can add plenty to the story/flavor of things.

[hot gate]

It can certainly happen to groups that haven't seen an alternative far too easy.

[safe cargo]

I mean I would love to DM a game I just have 0 experience doing so

[limber trail]

Everyone had 0 experience DMing a game their first time

[hot gate]

Start with something small and easy and build up from there! One shots are great for this.

[past blaze]

trips on floor when trying to cast a healing spell
Hard disagree. No tolerance for it.

[fiery nimbus]

Balance is just that important

[feral fulcrum]

Shrugs Sounds like you had a bad DM, Critfails, can be quite enjoyable.

[fiery nimbus]

Everyone has 0 experience doing anything until they do it. I bet you started walking in spite of never doing so before As a baby

[limber trail]

I think critfails in more RP/narrative parts of the game can be fun. In combat, a nat 1 is already a miss. No need to make it harsher.

[fiery nimbus]

There is bad DM and than there is this walking abomination that was this game, begging to be merci killed

[hot gate]

I think the healing spell failing example is especially bad because it turned a guaranteed high into a low.

[flint ledge]

How can a healing spell even fricking fail, you don't roll a d20

[hot gate]

See above

[limber trail]

they added a d20 test

[fiery nimbus]

Homebrew rule

[safe cargo]

That is true but I’ve had good and bad dms I just don’t wanna be a dull dm ya know? Also on Crit fails I laughed at my own when my arrow rebounded off the wall and hit me in the butt

[safe cargo]

It was my dms homebrew rule to add flavor to the game

[limber trail]

Crit fails are hardly the decider of what is and isn't a dull DM. You can be plenty exciting and not use crit fails, you can use crit fails and be a dull DM.

[fiery nimbus]

I loathe critical fumbles

[hot gate]

You'd be surprised how much fun people will have all on their own if you just engage with their ideas and let them try stuff in a fantastical world.

[safe cargo]

Been shot with your own arrow too much?

[limber trail]

(I would even say both of these are more often true, since crit fails often serve to undercut the cool factor of PCs which in my experience does make for a more exciting campaign experience)

[safe cargo]

I do believe in the rule of cool if it’s cool I’ll allow you to try

[fiery nimbus]

No, I was playing caster so the mechanic basically didn't apply to me. I was angry because other players were being beaten down over the head with it while I was standing there and watching

Casters can basically negate critical fumbles in combat for themselves

[feral fulcrum]

I think the worst thing that's happened during a crit fail in my game, is that our Dragonborn Ranger's bowstring snapped during a fight, which barely mattered mechanically because he rarely used the thing, and then led to narrative things afterwards of getting a better, magical bow, and interacting with dragons shape-shifted into human form. And now he has a fancy magic bow..

[safe cargo]

Sounds like a bad dm

[fiery nimbus]

Having a shot for a title of an understatement of the century?

[past blaze]

Oh also let me guess, it didn't happen when the enemies rolled a 1 on their saves

[safe cargo]

A good dm would of tried to make those fumbles fun and engaging not hurt the players to where they wanna quit

[limber trail]

Knowing that the consequences of failure on a nat 1 aren't abysmal is what inspires players to take leaps. If a nat 1 always or even often meant an actively detrimental effect, it'd definitely inspire me to play a lot safer

[fiery nimbus]

It did, just rarely and it barely matters when it happens to the enemy because lasting debuffs don't matter if you just kill them

Player characters live longer than enemies

[hot gate]

Every cliche will eventually run its course. Even just a hint of the "hits on everything" bard trope is enough to make me disengage with a game completely, for example.

Like, people, get new ideas.

[safe cargo]

If a ranger failed his shot with a bow I would of made it sound something along the lines of “ as you go to let the arrow go the string snags your armor and the arrow is throw to the left of your intended target”

[limber trail]

I mean yeah that's just narrating an attack

That's not a crit fumble

[past blaze]

As long as it doesn't magically home in on an ally, that's just flavouring the miss

[safe cargo]

It’s a failed one but yeah

[limber trail]

Crit fumbles is hitting allies, hitting yourself, dropping your weapon, falling prone, losing fingers etc

[hot gate]

That's fine, but all too often it turns into "oh, you hit your ally right next to the target" instead.

[fiery nimbus]

Critical fumble is
"As you are about to release your arrow, it snags on your armour and flies to far to the left... Right into your sourcerers heart killing them instantly. Why would you do it ranger it's all your fault"

[safe cargo]

Hmm or “as you pulled the bow strings to aim your shot the string snags on the fletching of an arrow and the string snaps hitting you in the cheek*

[limber trail]

A string going wide and snagging on the armour is still respecting the characters and the base expectation of competency for an adventurer, that stuff is fine. Where I take issue is when a nat 1 is narrated as something super embarassing, or something that has a mechanical detriment

[fiery nimbus]

That's still a description, if you want to make it into a critical fumble, add damage component

[past blaze]

Well, it does detail the string snapping, which completely denies the use of the bow

[limber trail]

Which yeah that is a problem

[safe cargo]

I still learning how to describe stuff like that

[limber trail]

You don't need to describe every attack. Sometimes you can just say the nat 1 goes wide and leave it at that

And actually if you describe every single attack, it can wildly slow the pace of combat

[past blaze]

I would flavour something like a nat1 on the ranged attack as "As your target continues fighting, altering their stance and engaging in the rhythmic swings and parries of combat, one such swing intercepts your arrow and deflects it from the mark."

[fiery nimbus]

Try describing the result, the string snapped at your cheek... What happend with your character

Did it leave a wound? Does your cheek sting?

[limber trail]

All a nat 1 means is that the attack misses. So just describe the attack missing, no other consequences or details of things that went wrong

[mighty wharf]

For some reason I thought the string was in their mouth, and it snapped hitting their cheek on the inside

[safe cargo]

So what if I added after it snapped leaving a a bruise that has a small cut in the center from where the string made contact?

[fiery nimbus]

Not gonna lie, I don't think that's how bows are held

[limber trail]

sure but again, the string snapping is a problem because it means their presumably main weapon is nonfunctional now

[mighty wharf]

New roleplay intimidation tactic unlocked!

[reef tundra]

Crit fails have a specific audience. Not everyone wants them, but they can be fun sometimes with a specific group

[safe cargo]

True I may have to think on that one it’s easier to describe a melee weapon. Fail then a ranged one

[fiery nimbus]

Than you got both the description of the event and result of it. In case of physicals it's ok to describe it yourself, in case of character psyche try to leave it up to character owner to describe the results

[limber trail]

If you're unsure, then just describe the attack going wide

[mighty wharf]

Tactic: Reverse Mouth Bow Draw

[fiery nimbus]

No

[reef tundra]

What did the crit fails do to you? /gen 😦

[safe cargo]

As the arrow is released from your bow the kobold swings his blade deflecting the arrow into the fighters leg standing diagonally from him” better?

[limber trail]

Yes, but you don't need to describe it hitting your ally

[safe cargo]

Okay the kobold can just deflect the arrow

[mighty wharf]

Do it like the modules of old and say shit like "west west-east, 235ft out"

[past blaze]

Ok, describing a nat1 miss as going wide and hitting an ally only to ping off their armor could be a bit funny to pull out of the blue

[safe cargo]

That would be funny and a “hey watch where your aiming “ moment

[past blaze]

describing the moment of horror before relief as it only pings off instead of embedding into their friend

[safe cargo]

That would be a funny twist

[mighty wharf]

"Your attempt to flirt with the maiden fails despite her finding you amusing, but the 9ft 600lbs orc sitting from across the bar is giving you the eyes."

[past blaze]

That's a nat20

you want someone that can carry your house

[fiery nimbus]

Me personally nothing, but they penalize martials unfairly

[reef tundra]

Very true

Not only do I think that, but I also have personal beef with it because a DM of mine killed my character’s daughter over a crit fail

[flint ledge]

Huhhhh?!?!?

[reef tundra]

Crit failed on a dex save, DM said because of that I took the brunt of the blow and got pinned down by rubble, and then railroaded me into losing my character’s daughter

Any time I would try to say something I want to do to save her the DM would go “this is a description, not gameplay”

[silk hare]

that sounds pretty unfun ngl

[reef tundra]

It was very unfun

The final nail in the coffin for this campaign was a god damn false hydra

[silk hare]

I presume it wasnt well-run?

[inner silo]

Ngl i feel like charm person is a pretty bad spell unless your party is evil

[reef tundra]

Not a single god damn save. When it sings it just happened

The boss fight that we ended on a cliffhanger was awful

[silk hare]

yeah that sounds like a ✨ nice dm✨ for sure!

[reef tundra]

And she’s my best friend 😭
First time I saw the line “not every friend is a dnd friend”

[reef tundra]

It is very morally dubious.

[heavy oxide]

all enchantment spells are morally dubious

and enchantment wizards are a thing

[reef tundra]

Very true

Well actually, except for the buffing ones

[inner silo]

Also quite situational as you can't really use it around people because of spell components and after it ends in only 60 seconds the person knows it was under the spells effect

[reef tundra]

(Wait are there buffing enchantments? I can’t remember)

Enhance ability is an enchantment, right?

[inner silo]

Bless iirc

[heavy oxide]

if i lived in the forgotten realms im staying as far away as possible from enchantment wizards

[reef tundra]

I’m staying far away from wizards completely in FR

They’re all nuts and Mystra is nuts

[inner silo]

Glamour bards and sorcerers focused on enchantment can be scary too

[silk hare]

isnt it 1hour and the only components are V/S no?

[inner silo]

Oh…damn. I thought it was only 1 minute all this time and forgot to check

[reef tundra]

IIRC the duration is 1 hour

[inner silo]

The components still don't let you use it in public very well

[silk hare]

I mean to charm someone, you just "talk" to them

[reef tundra]

I’ve seen it be useful a handful of times

[silk hare]

that can be your somatic component

[untold parcel]

which character sheets would you recommend rn? the official 2024s? For other systems I always loved these, but they are not available for 5e: https://www.dyslexic-charactersheets.com/en/

[inner silo]

You need to say the spell words and make spell gestures

[reef tundra]

And in non-morally dubious ways (to me at least).

[silk hare]

hich are not specified, so it could be pointing at someone saying a weird word and then talking normally

[reef tundra]

I once charmed an armed guard at the door of the villain’s base and had him be our tour guide for a while. Then I just told him to sit down and chill

[inner silo]

Yeah it being 1 hour duration changes everything, i should tell my player who's always trying to use it.

[silk hare]

such has "points HEYAAAAA, my old buddy, my pal"

[reef tundra]

Then we ran off

[inner silo]

I still think if others around are alert they could at least make an insight/arcana check to see if that right there was magic

[silk hare]

sure they might, wouldnt change anything for the person you charmed tho

[still plover]

The official ones are fine. There are alternatives, if you prefer a different layout. Have a search, see what looks good.

[inner silo]

True

I'm just trying to see if now that i know it lasts an hour instead of a minute, would it make it more useful for when my players tried to use it

[silk hare]

I mean maybe, but as with most enchantments, its not only morally dubious, but the wording is also vague

bc what exactly constitutes "harmful"
could be damage, could be compromising their position e.g. as a guard etc

ofc its USUALLY just damage/attacking them

but you COULD rule it that way

[buoyant frost]

How many people here get ideas for DND characters from music?

[inner silo]

Yeah that's actually a good point. Would be interesting to try ruling around this

[reef copper]

I bet a lot

Although i usually do the inverse

[buoyant frost]

If I find a really good song I will make a character with the songs vibe as their insperation but normally I make the character and look for a song that just matches their energy

[humble cairn]

Just so long as they understand that it doesn't give them direct control over the target.

I have used Charm effects to good use in battle before. Probably not what your players are going for, but if you land the Charmed condition on an enemy, you can place yourself in such a way as to block the use of area effects and such.

[silk hare]

or to use them as medium cover hehehehe

[reef copper]

Almost all my spotify playlists are on dnd characters

Have like 20

[buoyant frost]

lol

[reef tundra]

Me. Holy hell music empowers me

[buoyant frost]

Oh?

[reef tundra]

I make playlists for my characters, and I often get ideas for them through song

The entire origin story of the villain of one of my campaigns came from me listening to “Hold Them Down” from epic the musical

[fiery nimbus]

Are you by chance familiar with mercedes lackey?

[reef tundra]

Nope :(

[fiery nimbus]

Do check her, she is a fantasy writer that happen to also write a lot of fantasy songs

[reef tundra]

My interest has piqued

[fiery nimbus]

Check out Colddrake from the shadow stalker album

[reef tundra]

I shall! Ty for the recommendation!

[buoyant frost]

I am looking for some songs for a fiend warlock who made his pact to avoid being powerless again, anyone got recommendations?

[knotty vine]

Ive learned foundry

[severe rampart]

is it fun

[knotty vine]

It really is

so many cool little features and mods

even imported feats and magic items

does anybody know where to get some inside the city bald mans gate maps?

[fiery nimbus]

Try "choices" from "freedom flight and fantasy" album

[severe rampart]

The urge to buy Foundry has never been stronger for me 😭

[lyric idol]

Norse foundry?

[severe fox]

The VTT

[severe rampart]

FoundryVTT

[lyric idol]

Because I too have been craving a tungsten dice set

[severe fox]

Pretty much the best money can buy

[lyric idol]

Ah

[severe rampart]

Except my money can't buy (Different currencies)

[severe fox]

Ouch but makes sense

[severe rampart]

Quite unfortunate, but I shall find a way

[severe fox]

Could alway piggy back off of someone

[severe rampart]

I could never

[mental spoke]

I'm having an issue with the custom background where it won't add my proficiencies, does anyone know how to fix this?

For now I did the override thing on the sheet page

[severe fox]

Thats where my expertise leaves

[mental spoke]

It added the water vehicle proficiency and common language but not the normal skills which is weird

[silk hare]

wym, theres bound to be an exchange course for your currency, so wouldnt the price online just be adjusted for that?

[severe rampart]

That's what I thought, tried it, they didn't accept

[silk hare]

huh thats funny

what kind of currency?

[severe rampart]

hold on, let me recheck server rules

[severe rampart]

Great, it doesn't violate it, but it is the peso

[silk hare]

mh I see, its really crazy that they dont accept that currency tho

[severe rampart]

yeah, problem is I think the payment method (USD) is not translating properly, not sure though

[rough basalt]

It's cause they're not a big company, and avoiding storefronts that can handle it for them that'd get cuts of the pie.

Not really much of a company per se at all.
There's only 8 people that work on it full time.

[severe rampart]

Yeah, which is reasonable, I'm not really complaining about it just a bit sad that I can't buy Foundry 😔

[modest scaffold]

Theres gotta be a way to exchange currencies online for online pirchases or sum no?

[severe rampart]

Check what Sora said

[modest scaffold]

Or if you have a friend he could maybe get it for you and you can pay him back?

[modest scaffold]

I dont men over foundry. I mean in general

[severe rampart]

Let's not continue this conversation as I don't think it's really on topic 😅

[modest scaffold]

Eh it kinda is but sure👍

[rough basalt]

Tho it does say they use stripe to process international payments and I know for a fact people who use euros have it at least

So information might be inconsistent.

[modest scaffold]

You can buy it with euro without issue

[rough basalt]

Yeah just looks like you have to pay 50 USD. So whatever the conversion is.

[modest scaffold]

Maybe some currencies dont have a proper way are locked out?

[rough basalt]

I mean it's on the banks end.

[severe rampart]

Yeah so here that should be 3000 pesos, but the payment, still shows "50 USD" and not my currency

[rough basalt]

I think your bank changes to it to USD, but yeah they don't have regional pricing. It's done by your bank apparently.

[severe rampart]

Yeah, it's fine, I can probably find a way if I try hard enough

[lyric viper]

Let's keep on topic of DND, folk.

[still plover]

#ddb-support might know.

[minor cargo]

Are D&D books priced regionally based on 50 USD? So like if you bought it in, I dunno, Poland, would you pay 180 zł (same as 50 USD)? Or would you pay the price that Polish folks would consider fair for a “big hardcover RPG book”?

[knotty vine]

more or less 60ish

A new game pretty much

[rough basalt]

Hate the morning after a session I didn't run well enough by my standards

[mental spoke]

Okay thx, I posted there

[hollow plume]

How to join a campaign?

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[still plover]

Aside from here, you could also try LFG areas in sites like Reddit, Roll20 or the D&D Beyond forums to get started.

[stray sage]

how useful would you say the ability to create a telepathic network is? As in that the characters can all telepathically communicate with eachother?

[rough basalt]

Very very useful

[stray sage]

can you give some examples as to what that ability could be used for? You dont have to of course

[kind idol]

Hello, quick introduction i am Cody, a new DM and im looking to gather new players to expand my campaign further, I only have 2 players so id be happy to take on 3-4 more players if anyone's interested! (If I did this in the wrong channel forgive me im half awake)

[rough basalt]

PCs can plan amongst each other even in the presence of prying ears

[lean wigeon]

have you played CS or Valorant or whatever and using voice chat for comms

[stray sage]

I play TF2

[rough basalt]

Itd be basically like having voice comms in a game

Nobody can hear you but each other

[errant crag]

There's a spell that does this

Rary's Telepathic Bond

My players used it going through Tomb of Horrors

[undone rain]

Seems like me and a few friends are gonna have a fallout themed campaign

[wicked mulch]

D&D Question of the Day (D&D Beyond: Playing the Game):

TRUE OR FALSE: You can both Search and Help at the same time with one action, because they’re “small.”

[glass granite]

No

[errant crag]

Honestly I kinda don't like Paladin subclasses

[silk hare]

wrong, action is an action

[silk hare]

why?

[errant crag]

I just don't like that the first two subclass features for Paladins are always:
Oath spells
Channel Divinity
Aura

Wish more of them had passive subclass features that aren't always in that framework

Genie Paladin gets their version of unarmored Defense and an extra proficiency which is nice at least

[silk hare]

okay? I mean same goes for eg. warlock, or clerics, or druids

its always eldritch invocations/ divine domain features/ turning into animals and sth else to use your wildshape on?

tbh paladin gets a lot compared to other classes, e.g. fighters

[errant crag]

I'm just expressing a personal preference not making a statement

[silk hare]

oh yeah, I just want to understand the dislike better

not trying to invalidate your opinion or anything, just interested in the reasoning behind the dislike

[errant crag]

I don't like that paladin subclasses are always in the rigid template of
Oath spells
Channel Divinity
Aura

Other classes' subclasses tend to get passive features or other things that aren't tied into an exclusive framework that is present in every single different subclass for the class like paladins do

[glass granite]

There are some subclasses that don’t have an extra Aura, but ye generally I do agree it’s quite rigid

[errant crag]

You might get a subclass with a second use for its channel divinity sometimes

[undone rain]

You what now

(No offense you can dislike what you want)

[errant crag]

Devotion subclass is the most fitting option for what I am looking for I suppose

[undone rain]

Go ahead. Im personally a glory myself

[errant crag]

My last paladins as a glory paladin and that was a lot of fun to roleplay

Guadalupe the Water Genasi Paladin

Now I'm making a Fire Genasi Paladin to make the 3rd of 4th of the set

(the 4th is the Earth Genasi Paladin)

[knotty vine]

why glory

[undone rain]

Why not glory

[knotty vine]

genie

[undone rain]

Nah glory

[knotty vine]

But genie

[errant crag]

Guadalupe had backstory reasons for being glory

My fire Genasi paladin will be Devotion because he's going to be a candle and him lighting his weapon like a candle is represented well by the 5.5e Devotion channel divinity

[knotty vine]

I feel like ive heard that name before

[errant crag]

He'll be a fire Genasi with pale whitish-orange-ish skin with a flame atop his head so he looks like a wax candle

[woven flint]

Guadalupe is what I named my pet Hermit Crab lol

[knotty vine]

Why are we naming creature Guadalupe

Im I missing something

[errant crag]

It's a name

That people in real life have

[undone rain]

Isnt it an island too irl?

[errant crag]

Not too different from naming a character something like Johnathan or William

[undone rain]

But its a regular name. People have states as names so

[errant crag]

There is an island near Mexico called Guadalupe Island

[undone rain]

Sounds like a normal name to me tbh