dnd-discussion

[lavish flame]

cuz like a Beholder somewhat uniquely counters a wizard in a way that a Death Knight might not

[mighty wharf]

I ended up using my phantom steed/broom of flying to outrange all the big stupids, cast suggestion on the Young Green Dragon which I had resistance to poison from (as well as a high con save)

It was a stupidly big arena, because it was a lot of big creatures and my DM used a big arena too (his strategy was to space them out to make my AOE spells less effective)

[lavish flame]

did the green dragon swim at all?

[mighty wharf]

I was specifically testing a Beholder to see how I'd do without magic, seeing if I could do enough damage to kill it before it got through my Artificer HP and AC

[lavish flame]

i like making the aquatic dragons grab and drag ppl underwater/acid/lava

[mighty wharf]

He flew, but I assumed a 100ft ceiling for the arena, and only had him go up to 80ft for size constraints. If there was no ceiling, he could have just flown away for 8 hours for the duration of Suggestion, but this was an arena setting I was assuming it'd be constructed to keep that in mind.

If there was no cieling I would have just told it to go away and not return which is something you can do RAW with Suggestion and it'd have been the same result, except I think I took the harder route actually.

Wait the dragon shouldn't even run... the suggestion was to "let me cast a protective spell through my familiar on you" which means it'd have to stay within touch range because that's the only spells I can cast through it

[cunning venture]

hey, so im planning on running a solo campaign just by myself, does anyone know where i can find some free premade campaigns just meant for solo?

[mighty wharf]

I never even thought about that until now.

[lavish flame]

I'd browse Reddit, maybe r/DMAcademy idk. Occasionally you see free adventures pop up on various D&D subreddits

[cunning venture]

like offical campaigns made by dnd themselves

[mighty wharf]

Oooooh, no legendary resistance, technically humanoid, and exhaustion immunity. I know exactly what I am going to do to this guy.

[keen jewel]

Is Explorer’s Guide to Wildermont official 5e expanded?

[mighty wharf]

+10 to charisma and magic resistance will make it difficult though...

Did I ever mention I have a scroll of Magic Jar?

Oh yeah, time for lichdom.

[lavish flame]

ooh, alright. To my knowledge, I think only Dragon of Icespire Peak is written with 1 player in mind. Even then, it suggests adding Sidekicks to the game so you have other people. Thats honestly why I suggested Reddit

[lavish flame]

not Humanoid at all, they're Undead

[lavish flame]

yeah, its official 5e content, despite how DDB has labelled it

You can verify this via trademark and copyright information in the book, WOTC owns that sucker, not Critical Role or Darrington Press

[mellow ether]

@quiet mist didn’t wanna ask in character discussion but is there a server for those adventurer guilds thingy?

[keen jewel]

Man, in a very fun westmarch and the owner thinks it isn’t official but I rather not overstep my bounds just to convince him, we use DDB and that labeling is messing stuff up, can’t blame him for thinking this way

[fluid igloo]

What prevents an evil-aligned god's cleric from using their power for good? For example, Talos is a murderhobo, right, but why can't his cleric raze bandit hideouts or like invade Nine Hells or something? Using tempest to kill bad guys while not touching normal people?

[toxic geyser]

Is poison spray a decent spell for cantrip? I played with 2024

[quiet mist]

I mean, there probably are adventure league servers, but they also are in game stores if you want to do in person sessions. I feel like asking around the #adventurers-league channel would probably help you find something.

[keen jewel]

Top 3 most resisted damage types

[mighty wharf]

Technically, they're undead humanoid.

[toxic geyser]

Yea, but im very confused, i still have tons of cantrip slot left idk what cantrip tht i need to choose lol

[mellow ether]

I didn’t even see it 0.0 I’m stupid I’ve looked for game stores but my work isn’t good with the timings lol thank you

[lavish flame]

I don't see why they don't (I would even say it definitively does happen), but I kinda think the "camera" just doesn't focus on it. An adventuring group and their enemies are what the camera mostly sees, so the enemies of their enemies don't get much spotlight.

[lavish flame]

no, what? Technically they are Undead, they have no other creature type

[keen jewel]

Consider blade ward, it’s very good and you may be able to get away casting it before a battle starts if your DM allows it. Making it even better.

[mighty wharf]

I mean, 90% of the time, they are literally undead of a humanoid race, and not even in the spectral way.

[keen jewel]

It’s 1d4 extra ac for every attack roll made against you @toxic geyser

However it requires concetration

[mighty wharf]

I think you have the wrong reply

[toxic geyser]

Oh yea, its almost like a free mind silver haha

[keen jewel]

Holy shit

[lavish flame]

This changes nothing about how Death Knights function

They're an Undead, they've lost the Humanoid type

[keen jewel]

I meant to type to docter midnite, sorry it’s 3 am and I’m sleepy

[lavish flame]

follow this logic thread to its conclusion, 90% of Celestials and Fiends are also Humanoids

[toxic geyser]

Ouh but its not a reaction spell

[keen jewel]

Nah, you just cast it and it lasts a minute of concentration.

[mighty wharf]

Ok fair. I can still magic jar him, thanks to my DMs funny homerules lol.

[keen jewel]

That’s 10 combat rounds and your DM may allow you to use it before a battle starts

[mighty wharf]

He allows spell versions from 2014 and 2024. I don't think he realizes the implications of this.

[toxic geyser]

How about Tasha's hideous laughter i found the spell is pretty funny 🤣

I need to change my sleep spell to something else

[keen jewel]

You can have Blade Ward casted if you have a feeling you’re about to enter combat. You can also tell DM you are casting it every single minute because it has no resource usage.

[keen jewel]

Very powerfull spell, S tier.

[toxic geyser]

Wait what, didn't it need one spell slot

[mighty wharf]

Such as taking the war crime that is Suggestion [2024], Nystuls Magic Aura [2024], and Magic Jar [2014]

[keen jewel]

Edited the message, blade ward

Idk how your sessions are run but if you have a resourcless spell with a duration, while you’re wandering about, speaking or rping, you can just say you’re always using blade ward. @toxic geyser

[mighty wharf]

That's so cheesy lol

[keen jewel]

Yes but it’s a cantrip, it’s not like your using a level 1-3 spell

[toxic geyser]

How do u send files on here, is there a specific channel to do tht

[keen jewel]

You can dm me if you’d like

[toxic geyser]

Aight thanks mate

[fluid igloo]

I would guess my description fits Chaotic Neutral, that is listed on Church of Talos page. Like dude decided to follow Talos to wreck things on the wrong side of society simply because he feels like it (or for background reasons like vengeance to drows who raided his village). It's just Church members are mostly evil aligned. It's almost like it attracts only psychopaths. I wonder if such a character would be seen as a renegade of sorts or it would be completely fine in the hierarchy to even gain ranks and build influence. After all, it doesn't seem like Church is very organized, from the description it gives an impression of random disconnected enclaves

[mighty wharf]

Wait... oh my god... Silvery Barbs isn't inflicting disadvantage it's rerolling a D20 and using the lower roll

[vale kettle]

Yep its a really good spell

[mighty wharf]

At least that's how it is in 2014 which is what my DM is going by. Oh my god. It's super disadvantage.

🐟

[vale kettle]

There isint a silvery barbs for 5.5 yet due to the spell being from strixhaven which was released for 2014 ver

But the spells can be used in both versions no issue

[toxic geyser]

What about lucky did they change the requirement too?

[vale kettle]

Lucky + silvery barbs = you never roll a nat 1 and the enemy wont roll a nat 20

[toxic geyser]

Thats what im thinking about, i also want to use chronugry too on top of tht

I wanna see my dm reaction lol

[mighty wharf]

That's what I'm doing. Trying to find the odds of possessing a death knight. The +10 to charisma makes it very hard.

If I was level 15 it'd be as easy as saying "Convergent Future"

But we're trying to be cheeky and do it at level 8.

[vale kettle]

Probably annoyed depending on the dm they might even ban that combo

[mighty wharf]

57% chance even with Silvery Barbs... hmm.

[vale kettle]

Cause its really unfun

[toxic geyser]

Ive asked about it, he said sure why not 😂

[vale kettle]

Well there ya go

[mighty wharf]

Bro doesn't know what he's signing up for lol

[toxic geyser]

Wait till he knows i also pick shadar kai for my race

[vale kettle]

They might not mind as well

[mighty wharf]

They don't have exhaustion immunity out the gate: that's only the monster statblock.

[toxic geyser]

Wut

[vale kettle]

I believe they picking it for the resistance for all damage types rather then exhaustion immunity

[toxic geyser]

Yea, free misty step + resistance to all damage is pretty insane

[vale kettle]

Strongest race in the game frfr

[toxic geyser]

Idt this is going to age well

Bless you dm

[mighty wharf]

So here is how the Death knight experiment went: 78 fire/necrotic damage in one attack, instant death.

[vale kettle]

The orb?

[mighty wharf]

Yep.

[vale kettle]

Thought so

[mighty wharf]

WAITAMINUTE, I CAN LIVE

I have... AN IDEA

I have a spell scroll of control flames

[vale kettle]

That a really high roll for the orb ngl

[vale kettle]

What will that do?

[mighty wharf]

It was around 36 for each damage type

[mighty wharf]

I can extinguish the flames as a reaction iirc

[vale kettle]

Flames of what?

[mighty wharf]

The hellfire orb

[vale kettle]

… its once per day

[mighty wharf]

This is a simulation, I can roll it back and make sure I have control flames on my list

[vale kettle]

Idk if that scroll can effect hellfire orb

But i guess its dm to rule of cool it

[mighty wharf]

It's nonmagical flames... 💀

I am cooked.

I HAVE ABSORB ELEMENTS

[toxic geyser]

Is blindness/deafness a decent spell?

[vale kettle]

Absorb elements can help

[mighty wharf]

I LIIIIIIIVE

[vale kettle]

But only the fire damage

[mighty wharf]

Nevermind it still does 60 damage. 💀

[vale kettle]

How???

It should be 56

[mighty wharf]

It was like 36 fire damage or something

Let me just reroll that anyways

[vale kettle]

Reroll what?

[mighty wharf]

The hellfire orb, I lost the numbers of fire and necrotic

[vale kettle]

What level is your pc?

[mighty wharf]

So I got: 32 fire, 31 necrotic, for 63 total damage, minus 16 for the fire resistance, for 47 damage

[mighty wharf]

Aha, 8

[vale kettle]

Why are you fighting a death knight solo?

[mighty wharf]

Because I'm bored 🐒

[vale kettle]

You are not winning that unless you have flying speed

[toxic geyser]

Quick question war caster vs resilient cons which ones better

[vale kettle]

War caster

Like war caster is insanely strong

[mighty wharf]

So funny story: I have a broom of flying.

[vale kettle]

Then use it

[mighty wharf]

Hellfire orb has 120ft range.

I have to survive it either way.

[vale kettle]

Hope it rolls low and good luck

[vale kettle]

You can use war casters reaction on your allies to apply buff spells etc etc

[toxic geyser]

Thats one thing but ppl said resilient is better for the future like lvl 13 and up

[vale kettle]

Advantage on concentration checks is better overall then getting proficiency

[vale kettle]

They straight up lying to you

[toxic geyser]

I knew it i should stop watching yt

[mighty wharf]

Oh my god, it went through the death knight got possessed

[toxic geyser]

I kept failing on cons save, even tho with +3 modifier

[mighty wharf]

I succeeded the scroll usage and made the knight fail the charisma save

That's hilarious

[vale kettle]

What?

[worn crow]

+3 isn't a whole lot to be honest

[mighty wharf]

So the plan was to Suggestion [2024]>Nystuls [2024]>Magic Jar to possess the Death Knight

Since my DM allows a mix of 2014 and 2024 spells

[coral olive]

Whats pb points guys

[vale kettle]

Magic jar affects humanoids

Death knight is an undead

[mighty wharf]

That's what the Nystuls+Suggestion is for. Suggestion to make them willing, nystuls to change the type to behave as humanoid for magic using the mask option. As of 2024, it does that.

[toxic geyser]

Am i need counterspell although i already have dispel magic

[coral olive]

what is pb in dnd

it says pb points

what does it mean

[toxic geyser]

Proficiency bonus

[mighty wharf]

What is the context

[mighty wharf]

Now this is assuming that after I cast nystuls, the charm would end since "be willing to the next spell I cast" would be fulfilling the request thus ending the spell, meaning I have to survive at least one hellfire orb while maintaining my distance with my broom of flying. Even failing the dexterity save, I can use absorb elements to tank quite a lot of damage.

Then, theoretically I can either use Mind Sliver to subtract 1d4 from the Magic Jar saving throw and kite the death knight with my broom of flying, or just go straight for the magic jar and brute force it with super disadvantage using Silvery Barbs.

[vale kettle]

Wouldn’t the magic jar effect in it self be considered “harmful” no?

Cause its getting possessed

[toxic geyser]

I'm thinking to swap blade war to mind silver

[vale kettle]

Wait how does Nystul's Magic Aura even help you here?

It only applies for detection magic

[toxic geyser]

I cant use polymorph with it at the same time sadly

[mighty wharf]

You're thinking of the False Aura option. I'm talking about the Mask option. There is no such specification for Mask.

"Mask (Creature): Choose a creature type other than the target's actual type. Spells and other magical effects treat the target as if it were a creature of the chosen type."

[vale kettle]

Mask. You change the way the target appears to spells and magical effects that detect creature types, such as a paladin’s Divine Sense or the trigger of a symbol spell. You choose a creature type and other spells and magical effects treat the target as if it were a creature of that type or of that alignment.

No im not thinking of that

I was referring to Mask

Not false aura

Ahh i see 2024 version changed it

Wth now its absolutely ridiculous

[mighty wharf]

As of 2024, the description for Suggestion specifically says anything that would "not obviously deal damage to the target or it's allies"

[vale kettle]

Actually L changes

[mighty wharf]

And the suggestion was Nystuls, not magic jar anyways. Nystuls neither does damage nor is harmful and suggestion would end after casting nystuls.

[soft hare]

Are threats and blackmail included in charisma?

[mighty wharf]

It even says RAW you can tell an enemy to "leave and never return"

There's an equally broken spell combo with the new suggestion that's arguably even crazier than nystuls.

Feign Death. I have no idea why this spell is allowed to exist. It can theoretically work with 2014 Suggestion, but 2024 suggestion breaks it

If not that, Gaseous Form. Suggestion needs to be banned from every table from now on really.

Or idk. Give your boss monsters Legendary Resistance like a proper DM.

[vale kettle]

Death knight is not a boss monster tho

[mighty wharf]

Dont rely on Voltron to make an encounter.

[vale kettle]

What is voltron??

[mighty wharf]

Ig he is CR17, but if you wanted to use him as a boss monster for like lower levels

[mighty wharf]

It's MTG terminology, building a strategy relying entirely on one creature (often the commander) to win games.

As you'd imagine, they completely lose to any removal/control, making the strategy basically unplayable.

Just like what happens in DnD if you make a boss monster without any LR.

[vale kettle]

Only spell casters can do this btw. And there are people that believe that there is no caster/martial divide

Insane

[mighty wharf]

Yeah no, martials are kinda pathetic by comparison. They struggle with flying enemies alone. Jumping has heavy restrictions, and throwing javelins... can you even do multi attacks with those???

What is a monk doing with javelins lol

[vale kettle]

Ah yes lemme make myself immune to all spells that affect humanoids btw

[mighty wharf]

As of 2024, Warforged is now a construct.

[vale kettle]

No concentration

[mighty wharf]

Not a humanoid.

So I basically already have that covered

[vast saddle]

I'm so grateful my DM isn't Stingray

[mighty wharf]

2 banshees? Not a problem.

[vale kettle]

Lemme put that dragon in the jar btw

[vast saddle]

8d12 Psychic Damage sounds too much

[mighty wharf]

There are ways to burn through enemies legendary resistance btw.

Spamming level 1 turn skip spells like Command

"Hold" your turn to be after your party but before the enemy, cast Tasha's Hideous Laughter, basically skip the enemies turn.

Technically a homerule

[wind dawn]

Good morning

[mighty wharf]

Or just. Spam Suggestion. You have tons of level 2+ slots and are about to become whatever it is you're burning through lol, you will win the next encounter easily.

Unlike Tashas or command they HAVE to use the legendary resistance against Suggestion.

You're a wizard you have like infinite spell slots.

[mighty wharf]

Oh my god why did you say that? I just checked the time and it's 3AM 💀

[vale kettle]

Go to sleep

[mighty wharf]

I can't sleep

[hoary salmon]

Hi ! could someone please explain to me how the weapon mastery works in the fighter class? No matter how much I read and reread, I don’t understand what this skill does.

[glass granite]

Each weapon has a specific mastery that gives them an extra effect. Weapon mastery lets you use this extra effect on weapons of your choice

[reef tundra]

Every weapon in the game has a special Weapon Mastery Property, which does a specific thing that often activates on hit. Certain classes and feats allow you to pick a few weapons to be able to use the special property of

[glass granite]

Ooo new pfp

[reef tundra]

It's my new character named Abbey

[hoary salmon]

Where I can see these extra effects ? On the player's Book ?

[glass granite]

Like which weapon has which mastery?

[hoary salmon]

Yeah

[reef tundra]

They are listed in the player's handbook, yes

[glass granite]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment?srsltid=AfmBOoojpMFJUmfOPyfJnlDc570l2juLo8iEQ3ike8U3oe3D2EcX08_u

This should be it

[hoary salmon]

Thank guys

[glass granite]

Under equipment in the PHB too

[reef tundra]

No problem. Have fun!

[glass granite]

Feel free to ask more questions if ya need to. Have a splendid day

[agile hemlock]

I've got an idea for a character

A Cleric who is a relic-bearer, basically someone entrusted by a church to hold onto a symbol of the faith or a sacred item belonging to some hero

And he doesn't yet realize that the sword he holds, that being the relic, belonged to him in a previous life

In a distant time, in the distant past, he defended the world... but does his faith give him the strength to do it again?

[vale kettle]

Very “chosen by fate” feel

[agile hemlock]

I like Clerics more now because I've played a lot of SWTOR, specifically as a Jedi Knight

Although that'd be more Paladin

Or even a Monk I'd say

[mighty wharf]

Definitely Paladin. And sword is kind of a bad idea. You have to think about equipment upgrades.

[reef tundra]

It gives main character energy, and some people may find issue with it, but if it works for your table and the other players and DM are fine with it, then it works

[mighty wharf]

A sigil or brand would be a different story though. Almost like Conan.

[vale kettle]

Why sword bad?

[mighty wharf]

Because your character wouldn't think anything of the sword. You're restricted by starting equipment, and a starting sword will quickly be replaced by an actual magic weapon.

[vernal crescent]

I'm new to d&d even though I know about fantasy so much does anyone wanna play?

[vale kettle]

It can have plot value where it can change into a magical weapon later through multiple quests

[mighty wharf]

Why would you hold onto a sword unless you have sentimental value for it? Even if you have sentimental value, you'd probably just hold onto it in a bag of holding where it collects dust and has very little plot relevance.

[reef tundra]

Although you can get around that by saying the sword can absorb the magic properties of another weapon

So mechanically you're receiving the new weapon but flavour and plot wise, it's the same sword

[vale kettle]

Cause some players dont just play for “power”

[mighty wharf]

You could, yes, but then why would it be transformative and not additive if it's absorbing the properties?

[limber trail]

That’s why I really like the Taldorei Reborn dormant/awakened/exalted system. It’s for magic items which over the course of the adventure will gain more power and properties

[reef tundra]

Ah, you're right. Then let's say it can only have one other weapon's properties at a time

[vale kettle]

Either way i see a sentimental important relic from a backstory that can progress with your character as very cool

[reef tundra]

Said it before and I'll say it again, I love those

[mighty wharf]

Even a casual player would not hold onto a nonmagical sword from starting equipment the entire duration of the characters lifespan...

[reef tundra]

You haven't seen my players then

[limber trail]

My players now have one each. They’re so sick

We’ve got magic swords, cloaks, for one player an entire arm

[mighty wharf]

Or, just explain it by having it be upgraded and reforged with the previous sword as material.

[reef tundra]

Yeah! And they feel so personal too! Like the weapon is levelling up alongside you!

[vale kettle]

Ive seen players that literally did crimes for a regular weapon that only had sentimental value

[reef tundra]

I prefer the magic

[limber trail]

Mhm. Especially because I hand make them for my players

[mighty wharf]

Magic can be part of the forging process. It's the swords ability to be reforged into new swords that makes it unique.

[vale kettle]

I seen a player have their starting axe that they given a name to “stolen” and they spent 4-6 sessions trying to get it back

[mighty wharf]

And you can tie it's holy symbolness, basically the equivalent of the paladins spellcasting modifier, as the property being inherited by the resulted reforged sword. That would make it flavored to be additive, but within the bounds of mechanics.

[reef tundra]

My oath of vengeance paladin is too addicted to collecting weapons from her marks. My inventory is too full at this point :(

-# It's almost as if it's full of weapons

[limber trail]

Sometimes you need to become a walking arsenal

I think I want a new gun for my monk

[reef tundra]

Actually that's very true. If I ever get disarmed I have a bunch of backups

[vale kettle]

Ask a dm if you could acquire an item that creates a demi plane to specifically store weapons

Much like bag of holding but it can be cooler

[mighty wharf]

Eventually, you get to ask your party "If all of the parts of a sword are replaced by parts from other swords, is it still the same sword it was?" and the answer is yes, because this sword is a divine sword that lets you smite people and is basically a blessed weapon. The magic of the sword is transferred. Reincarnated, just as the player is. Fits thematically.

[reef tundra]

Now that is an excellent idea. I'll ask my DM now!

[reef tundra]

Gunfu for life

[limber trail]

Sheath of holding. It’s a sheath which contains any number of weapons, and whenever you draw a weapon from it, it always happens to be just the right one.

[mighty wharf]

Plus, with the process of additive forging, there is always a piece of the metal left behind.

[reef tundra]

Now that is very true. And badass

[limber trail]

I will never not embrace gun fu

[mighty wharf]

You can even give the sword the name "Theseus" as a homage to the philosphical question. Or the character. Your choice.

[reef tundra]

Honestly perfect naming

[agile hemlock]

That's cool and all, but I'm gonna do my own thing

[deep ingot]

Is anyone able to teach my d&d i forgot how to play it

[reef tundra]

The people in #dnd-newcomers are better at teaching

[crystal star]

... i've got a paid table coming up thats aimed at newer players who're looking to learn. dm if youre interested 💖

[mighty wharf]

I smell advertising 🗿

[crystal star]

hey, I just want players, like anyone else. it doesnt hurt to ask

[fair summit]

Doesn't hurt, but you need to do it in the right place
We have #find-a-game for game posts, and you can just DM them, but soliciting for games outside the LFG channels is against the server rules, as a heads up

[crystal star]

oh, i didnt realise. though, wouldn't jumping straight into their dm's without permission them be worse? or, would it?

I genuinely don't know it might be fine

[fair summit]

Well that's the risk. Advertising a paid game in DMs can be seen as rude for a good reason, but doing the same on a server isn't any better, not to mention you're breaking the rules, so it's not like it's a worse option 🤷

[crystal star]

hmm alright, fair enough

[mighty wharf]

There's actually a specific channel to advertise for your group, even if it's a paid game

Check out #find-a-game for details.

It goes over how to find players for a paid game.

[vale kettle]

I dont think they need to pay to relearn the game

[toxic geyser]

how to drive your dms into insanity

[vale kettle]

Be uninterested in anything that happens and don’t pay attention

100% will drive a dm to the point where they remove you

[toxic geyser]

not the one like tht

[crystal star]

the worst experience i've ever had was one playing showing up week after week absolutely stone faced providing nothing to the group and leaving each day having done nothing

I could not fathom how they were having any fun at all

[hot reef]

Why
Just leave

[fair robin]

start a goat cheese selling empire

[toxic geyser]

i meant, like making you character as powerful can be

[vale kettle]

But being a background character… is a style of play… very questionable

[hot reef]

Depends on allowed/unallowed content

[vale kettle]

But still a play style

[vale kettle]

I hate this so much

[toxic geyser]

thats the spirit

[crystal star]

kind of a foolish endeavour since the DM can just make things stronger but sure.

[glass granite]

Go to #optimization , though I’d just like to point out that unless the DM and other players have fun with this things will go south

[hot reef]

#optimization is the channel for that, but you can find resources online as well
Some may rely on rulings that your DM may disagree with, or use content they don’t allow

[oak grotto]

Same. However I don't say this light-heartedly.

[vale kettle]

Making the character purely to annoy the dm, players deserve (i dont think i can say that here)

Boiled

[toxic geyser]

he doesnt want to ban anything ive kepe telling him to ban some races, subclass, spells and etc. he just nod and said nope yall play like yall wanna be

[hot reef]

Based on the way they’re asking the question, they likely don’t have much experience optimizing in 5e and won’t be able to be incredibly overpowered very easily
The only concern is overshadowing new players

[crystal star]

so you're trying to punish your DM for trying to let the players have all they fun they want

[glass granite]

That doesn’t change anything I just said. If it causes dissatisfaction at the table, that ain’t good

[crystal star]

you're afraid someone is going to abuse the freedom he grants and therefore you're going to... abuse the freedom he grants

[glass granite]

Not to mention, I don’t think any race and most (if not all) subclasses, and spells. Are worth banning

[toxic geyser]

id like the word of using more than abusing

[crystal star]

dude what are you doing

like step back and look at this. what are you doing. what is your actual goal here. what do you think the outcome will be

you're trying to annoy your DM. to what end? what do you gain from this? if your reasoning is that he's not keeping you on a short enough leash? do you have no self control?

seems like you're either gonna ruin a perfectly good table, or get yourself kicked from a perfectly good table

[fair robin]

true

[mighty wharf]

Your goal shouldn't be to annoy the DM. If you want to play a powerful character, that's fine but make sure you don't detract from the other's experience when doing so.

For example: don't microwave the BBEG on turn 1 round 1 after minmaxxing initiative

[ripe nimbus]

I think "drive my dm insane" was likely purely tongue in cheek

[crystal star]

i thought so too, but those lil bits he said after that...

[reef tundra]

What on earth happened when I left for ten minutes

[ripe nimbus]

The way to drive your DM insane is to be on your phone for 90% of the game, snap to attention when they call your name, and ask "oh sorry what's happening?"

[mighty wharf]

Now, if it's a really strong big stupid monster the DM throws at you intending to punish you and/or run away from, basically not fight... oh yeah, by all means microwave that guy.

[vale kettle]

Someone asked “how to drive a dm insane with a character build”

[reef tundra]

Sigh optimisers /lhj

[vale kettle]

Not even optimizers

Its just annoying ahh players

[reef tundra]

True. Optimisers have respect for the DM

[glass granite]

I like optimisation. It helps my game not crash when I use my PC.

-# I think that pun was horribly phrased

[reef tundra]

-# No it worked. I had to take a moment to sigh irl

[glass granite]

-# victory!

[vale kettle]

Like theres a difference of
How do i optimise my build to do x or x and
How do i optimise purely to spite and make sure the dm doesn’t enjoy the game they spent multiple hours preparing for me and the rest of the party :D

Have some responsibility as a player 🗿

[crystal star]

we probably dont need to keep rehashing this for any longer

[ripe nimbus]

blehhh if optimization is fun for a player well, that's fine

[crystal star]

they've already skedaddled from this convo anyway

[ripe nimbus]

but it's the least interesting part of the game to me

[mighty wharf]

I'm beginning to realize my wizard kinda fits that description unintentionally if I'm not careful. I've been having to downplay them in order to not ruin the experience at the table, only popping off when my DM challenges me.

[vale kettle]

Yeah but you did not intend to ruin the dms experience

They were asking to fully intend to do that

[mighty wharf]

I DID ask my DM permission to play this character. I told him, "broken spell combos, bypassing concentration, silvery barbs, suggestion, control wizard"

Told him the subclass and everything.

[crystal star]

that is what water dispenser inferred

[lethal panther]

Ok, I have the option to take either the Tome of Advanced Fighting which I can use to make my d8 weapon attacks a d10 or Tome of Leadership which I can eventually use to make my charisma 22, (I'm a Hexblade Warlock) which one should I pick?

[mighty wharf]

Do you have a character sheet I can look at

Because there are a lot of factors that are involved

How much of an increase is the charisma?

Is it like from 20 to 22 or what?

[lethal panther]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters/155860557

[vale kettle]

Charisma buff is better overall

Affecting spell attack, Dc saves skills and for hex blade weapon attack and damage

[mighty wharf]

This is private

[vale kettle]

Better than turning a d8 into a d10

[lethal panther]

Ah one sec

[mighty wharf]

How many attacks does a Hexblade warlock usually make?

Melee attacks I mean

[vale kettle]

They get extra attack

[mighty wharf]

Because that d10 can add up is what I'm thinking

[vale kettle]

I believe

[vale kettle]

Not as much as 22 charisma

[lethal panther]

I have 3 attacks because I'm 12 levels in Warlock

[mighty wharf]

And if it's only like +1 charisma mod or so that's not a huge difference imo.

[vale kettle]

Ur tripping

[mighty wharf]

Well, I guess when you start stacking advantage and disadvantage it can be

[mighty wharf]

Base, it's a 5% difference.

[vale kettle]

It affects everything on warlock

Dcs spells weapon attacks wepaon damage and charisma saves and charisma ability chrvks

[lethal panther]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters/155860557

[vale kettle]

Its not even a question

Get that +2 charisma

[lethal panther]

You're right, plus I have a Time Dragon so I might be able to use whichever tome more than once

[mighty wharf]

Wait charisma affects your weapon damage as a hexblade???

[short brook]

yeah

[silk hare]

well it doesnt HAVE to

you just get to choose to use it instead

and u should have a higher CHA score, so its just an upgrade

thats also a reason some multiclass builds go into hexblade for a 1 lvl dip, + EB + some invocations depending on if you are playing 5E or 5.5.E

[mighty wharf]

Yeah it looks like it's a +2 bonus too so definitely worth it.

[short brook]

Definitely the +2

[mighty wharf]

That's 2 asi's worth

[silk hare]

your main thing as a warlock usually is eldritch blast too

[short brook]

A d10 literally would give you a chance to get what the +2 gives you always

[silk hare]

e.g. agonizing/ repelling blast

flat out bonuses are always better than a chance to get sth a little higher

unless you have other things boosting your chance too

[severe rampart]

I technically did and didn't kill a PC today

[short brook]

What

[severe rampart]

Dice was cocked, should've been a nat 1 in Death Saving Throw

[short brook]

oh boy

Nat 1 on deaths saves are crazy

[crystal star]

me getting out the level to explain that the nat 1 death save is actually cocked

[cinder timber]

hello everyone

[reef tundra]

Schrödinger’s PC

[severe rampart]

Would've been a fitting death

[fair summit]

About to run a decisive session today
Party is at level 1, and we'll see if they'll decide to do a stupid and get into a very dangerous fight not yet intended (:

[short brook]

good luck 👍

[fair summit]

Oh they're the ones who are gonna need it

[lucid reef]

Good morning how r u

[silk hare]

what kind of fight

[fair summit]

Creepy and powerful, but non-hostile undead creature tending to a dungeon they're in, and the party has also completely forgotten they have a magic item that hides them form undead
Relevant to the plot, but I fear the party might mistake them for a zombie or something (something they've dealt with so far), so I'll need to figure out if I wanna prep for the consequences lol

[silk hare]

well what kind of undead? and how many?

[fair summit]

One, it's a boss for later 😏

[silk hare]

revenant?

[fair summit]

Nah, homebrew similar to a revenant, but focused on magic instead, and rather than revenge against their killer, bears a grudge toward a specific theme

[silk hare]

mhhh I see

I mean you could have it have a bunch of zombies working under it, 1 of them makes a mistake and he just desintegrates them

serves to set the scene of "well we might not want to mess with this individual"

[fair summit]

Eh I'm fairly confident I can deal with things appropriately even if the party decides to actually attack. Like said the undead knows spells, so Im probably just gonna have it scare the party with a powerful spell attack, then dimension door away to a nearby source of what its nature as a "grudge" would draw it towards more than the party of randoms 😏

[tidal bough]

Tru tru, it does feel like plot armor slightly tho

[lucid reef]

Fireball?? Jk

[silk hare]

btw how strong of a caster are we talking?

whats the max lvl spell it has

[fair summit]

well in fairness it IS still at level 1, and I did warn my players that the very start might be a bit railroady to get the story going 😛

[tidal bough]

Especially if its supposed to be a boss monster that likely wont be in any danger

[severe rampart]

Self Destructed: Fireball at the end of the session I just ran

[fair summit]

By the way I do wanna be clear I'm not here looking advice, I'm fairly confident in what I've got planned, and was just mentioning it as something fun I'll be looking forward to today lol

[silk hare]

yeah yeah, but what lvl spellcaster are they?

bc imo revenants are appropriate for like a party of 5 lvl 3 if its the only target

depending on party composition ofc

[fair summit]

Well I haven't given it a specific spellcasting level, just few 1st level spells, a special spell attack that's not actually a specific spell, and access to dimension door it can use 3 times a day (with the "lore" intention being getting itself towards the source of its grudge)

And the party is intended to level up before facing it, and they get to do so with full resources, at a place with extra targets for the undead (a weding, which also happens to be the theme of the grudge for that specific undead 😏)

[vagrant notch]

Hi newcomers here, is this the general chat?

[cursive thorn]

It is

[vagrant notch]

Alr

Anyone know a substitute for dnd beyond? A free one maybe

[fair summit]

I mean D&D Beyond is already free
If you mean getting paid content for free, that's piracy, and not something that you really should tlak about on the official server 😛

One option though is if a player / DM in your campaign has a subscription, they are able to share their content to you without you having to pay yourself

[vagrant notch]

Ah sorry idk for that, i just want to know is there any other substitute 🙈

[vale kettle]

Bro no

[fair summit]

Well, few VTTs to mention

• Roll20
• Foundry
• Owlbear Rodeo

[vale kettle]

What is the avrage damage increase from a d8 to a d10???

Its 1

[vagrant notch]

Aight thanks mate

[lucid reef]

Where did you come from

[vale kettle]

So how is it better

[vale kettle]

?

[short brook]

I didn't say it was lol

[lucid reef]

I didn't see you typing

[vale kettle]

Its public chat

[short brook]

I just said the possibility of rolling max gives the chance to get what +2 would always give

[vale kettle]

Yeah but its not how you value damage increases of a die

That d10 will bring value even if they rolled max always

[rocky tusk]

Hello, I be new

[short brook]

ok.

[lucid reef]

Welcome

[vale kettle]

You value the damage increase of dice by the avrage

Not by max

And a +1 to an ability modifier is better and consistent then an increase from a d8 to a d10

[short brook]

Wow

[severe rampart]

My players surprised me today by immediately heading to a boss fight

[rocky tusk]

I bear the curse of forever dm

[lucid reef]

Smart knowledge from @vale kettle

[severe rampart]

Now I have to figure out how this politically changes things in Vallaki 😔

[short brook]

Tbh, thats how things go lol

[severe rampart]

No one died, thankfully

[lucid reef]

What setting are you in

[severe rampart]

Curse of Strahd

[short brook]

In our campaign we did the same thing, I think it has to do with urgency the players feel

[severe rampart]

Pseudo-died

One of them should have died, but the dice was cocked (it was a nat 1 on a death saving throw)

[lucid reef]

Thank god for the cocked dice though

[severe rampart]

It would've been a pretty thematic death

Fire Goliath, dying inside of a burning house

that is where I fireballed, by the way

[vagrant notch]

By the way, how do you deal with an selfish DM?
In our last session, one of our friends wanted to try playing as well. The problem was, we were already in the middle of a really really long fight like 3–4 hours. By the end of the session, he still hadn’t even been introduced, even though he was really excited to play DnD. Bro i seen his face, he looks tremendously sad
So today, I tried to make some advices for the dm not just for combat, but also to improve the overall quality of life and the general of battlefield and city environment. I already told the DM to just pick what’s necessary, not everything you dont need to implement all of it.
But he immediately said “no,” without even reading it.
I mean, I spent like 30 minutes making that sheet just so the same problem wouldn’t happen again in the future. I’d be totally fine if he read it, understood it, and then said no we can’t apply it bro the enemies doesn't work like that, that’s okay. But he didn’t even read it and already rejected it.
Man, at least respect the time I put into it.

[short brook]

thats crazy work

[lucid reef]

#dm-discussion

[vagrant notch]

Aight man sorry

[lucid reef]

No, don't be sorry. I just feel like they could help you out there

[rocky tusk]

How does it work here, like are there active games going on

[severe rampart]

You can find games in the LFG channels #find-a-game

[short brook]

No, this is just a discord to discuss dnd

[severe rampart]

We don't host games here

[lucid reef]

People are always looking

[rocky tusk]

Thanks, if I'm hosting one do I just post an ad?

[lucid reef]

In #find-a-game it tells you how to do it

Especially if your DM

[rocky tusk]

It says no non dnd. My campaign is halo 100DOS using a custom rule book. Is that okay?

[lucid reef]

It has to be within the setting of d&d

Any edition

[glass granite]

No, it can be a homebrew setting

[glass granite]

That’s another TTRPG system right?

If so, unfortunately you prolly can’t post there

[lucid reef]

I might have misunderstood I apologize

[rocky tusk]

Yes, tho reading the rule book it plays pretty similarly to dnd

[glass granite]

While it might be similar, it ain’t dnd if I’m understanding correctly

[lucid reef]

Yeah

[glass granite]

As we’re in the official server, I doubt it’d be allowed

[rocky tusk]

Alright, is there a different place here i can look for players

Or a different sever you know of

[glass granite]

There should be a general TTRPG server if you look for one, or maybe reddit…
Sorry I’m not all too knowledgeable here

[cinder timber]

suh nugget

[fair summit]

There's #non-dnd-topics which is the only place here for non-D&D systems, but even then I'm pretty sure you can't just lookg for gorups there 🤔

[glass granite]

Wahzzup

[cinder timber]

how ya been?

[crystal star]

talk to him, if he cant improve then get a new one

[glass granite]

I’m alive

[eager marsh]

We can fix that. Where the honey mustard dip

[stiff rock]

what class/subclass would a lawyer be?

[limber trail]

Artificer

Not a clue what subclass but I fully believe they would be artificers

not for any mechanical reason at all, simply vibes

[stiff rock]

i'm leaning towards an eloquence bard, but i assume they're closer to debators than lawyers?

[limber trail]

(most if not all artificer players I've seen are rules lawyers)

[zealous jasper]

I was thinking of playing a Monk/Barbarian, but I don't know if there is a Worse combo 😄

[limber trail]

it's not a great one

[reef tundra]

Warlock pact of the fiend /j

[halcyon forum]

wizard/barb

[severe rampart]

My party performed the social aspects of the game so horribly this session that it's amazing

[reef tundra]

I’ve done it before but only for a level 20 oneshot. It’s not optimal but I still had great fun with it

[zealous jasper]

@halcyon forum True !

[halcyon forum]

Fiend warlock for sure

[reef tundra]

Good to see someone else thinks the same

[vagrant notch]

Does mind silver stackable with blade ward

[limber trail]

based on sheer stereotype alone I cannot believe that any self respecting lawyer would ever enter a warlock pact

[stiff rock]

devil's in the details

[severe rampart]

First, "accidentally" breaking and entering, then tried to seduce a shopkeep to lower prices on their item, not knowing his wife was right there next to him

[reef tundra]

No you’re right, a devil would never willingly serve another devil /j

[stiff rock]

but yeah, fiend warlock or artificer seem likely

[halcyon forum]

I feel like "lawyer sells out" is pretty common

[limber trail]

oh sure but they sell out for profit

Warlocks make a losing deal nine times out of ten

[halcyon forum]

execpt of course, all devils serve other devils (aside from the one guy at the top)

[severe rampart]

my PCs have committed 13 crimes this session

[limber trail]

they pulled up to a new city last session and within 15 minutes had commited fraud

[halcyon forum]

thats why lawyers would be prone to make those pacts. they believe their education makes them the exception to the rule

[severe rampart]

This is all within 6 hours: Attempted Breaking and Entering, Breaking and Entering, Murder, Coercion, Assassination, Arson, Inciting Violence, Theft, Burglary, Manslaughter, Destruction of Property, Harassment, War Crime

[reef tundra]

Ah ah I said willingly. Every devil wants to be at the top

[limber trail]

My party are definitely planning breaking and entering, theft, burglary, and probably war crimes

identify theft most likely

[severe rampart]

Knome, have you run Curse of Strahd?

[limber trail]

oh no

[halcyon forum]

sure they do, but they also like the hierarchy too much and think climbing the ladder is how things should be done

[limber trail]

oh no those poor poor players

I can't say I have but there cannot be anyone who it is wise to do any of those to

[severe rampart]

Ah, bummer, was hoping to discuss with someone about how politics will shift in Vallaki because of the assassination of ||Lady Fiona Wachter||

[limber trail]

Oh now that's just mean

political shifts because of assassinations are my wheelhouse

[reef tundra]

Now that’s true. Maybe I should have worded my original joke better

[limber trail]

That's actively the plot of my campaign atm

[severe rampart]

They pulled up, within the first 6 hours of being in a town, killed the political enemy of the ||burgomaster||

[limber trail]

Oh my god

[severe rampart]

I didn't think they would actually fight a boss immediately

[limber trail]

My party didn't do the killing but they are in a very small group of surviving witnesses who saw the assassination of two members of a council which governs a nation in my setting.

[stiff rock]

mine are wanted dead in 4 of the 5 major kingdoms in my campaign. they're only not wanted in the 5th because they've not been there yet

[limber trail]

I really should play curse of strahd one of these days

[severe rampart]

it's a great module

[stiff rock]

i've heard it's tough to DM

[limber trail]

I played two sessions of it a few years back but the group fell apart pretty quick

[severe rampart]

I'm a new DM, running it just fine

[stiff rock]

oh damn, all i've heard is that it's really prep heavy

[limber trail]

I won't run it because I have a rule of only DMing one game a week and I write that game myself

[severe rampart]

You just gotta sit down and bite off more than you can chew, and chew

[limber trail]

If I were to run a module it'd be that one most likely

[severe rampart]

Not really? I just wait for the weekends most of the time, I usually finish prep like 1-3 hours after a session

I pseudo-killed a PC

if only that dice wasn't cocked, that nat 1 in Death Saving Throw

[stiff rock]

guess i was wrong then. i always assumed it was such a good campaign for players because of how tough it was on dms

[severe rampart]

It is just good, Strahd is a bit... eh, but there are alternative endings to it, which are mostly third party

[limber trail]

I've heard it's tough to DM but it's definitely tough within the scope of what a module is. It's not gonna be some gargantuan tasks that takes days of prep weekly

I'm sure it's by no means harder than running, for example, homebrew

[stiff rock]

i don't know if anyone else has seen the guy online who 3d printed like the whole of castle ravenloft and it's like half the height of a person

[severe rampart]

It was so fun to see my players fail nearly every social aspect-

[stiff rock]

sounds it lol

[severe rampart]

Oh yeah, their actions this session impacted the campaign HARD

[reef tundra]

Everyone has differing opinions things, it may be a good campaign it might not be. I find it best to disregard all other opinion I see online and make an opinion myself

For years I heard everyone discuss how bad Vecna - Eve of Ruin is, but then I got it, and ran it, and holy hell it was a blast

[limber trail]

I do want to run a vecna-based campaign at some point

might be my next campaign, I've got an idea for how to do it

don't think it'd be eve of ruin itself though

[reef tundra]

Yeah, it’s very much a big finale feeling campaign. Best to start with something smaller, something more classic

[restive blade]

Question, how do you know if a book is worth buying or not if you can’t read what the subclasses do? Is there a place where you can read what the subclasses do before you buy it? Or do you just have to go “this sounds cool.” Only to realize that the subclass is not great?

[reef tundra]

I’m running a Vecna-ish campaign right now, and it’s pretty good while not feeling like a big finale to something

[limber trail]

I would run it as a full blown 1-20 most likely

[silk hare]

tbh asking here is always an option, but iirc theres no official resource that would tell you

[limber trail]

or a 3-20

[silk hare]

bc if it did, there would be no point in buying the books

[reef tundra]

Sometimes you just gotta take the leap

[silk hare]

btw can I ask u sth in dms? @restive blade

[restive blade]

Me?

Sure.

[vagrant notch]

In yall pov, is chronurgy wizard a better version of divination wizard

I know its a critical role

[eager marsh]

no?

[livid dune]

does anyone have a pdf of the playerhandbock 5e in german?

i know pretty randome but im just wondering

[eager marsh]

it's main feature is functionally just a silvery barbs free cast

they also do totally different things beyond that first feature

[idle oar]

No but you can access the free SRD in German here: https://media.wizards.com/2023/downloads/dnd/SRD_CC_v5.1_DE.pdf
(that's the System Reference Document/free rules)

[vagrant notch]

Thanks man

[livid dune]

thank you a lot :)))

[idle oar]

Oh and you can find the SRD 5.2.1 (2024) here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/srd (German version is there as well)

[vagrant notch]

What about ray of frost and frostbite? Im still keeping frosbite mainly just for the disadvantage point

[eager marsh]

What about them? both are cold damage cantrips. if you're asking which is better thats a tad subjective

[livid dune]

oh wow nice, thanks!!!

[vagrant notch]

Aside of the damage

[eager marsh]

still subjective

reducing movement from far away enemies keeps them out of melee longer for example

[vagrant notch]

If im not wrong eay of frost dealt -10 feet of speed and frostbite a disadvantage on their next turn?

[cobalt escarp]

yes

[eager marsh]

yes. ray is an attack roll. frostbite is a con save

[vagrant notch]

Yea, from both which one that are you gonna choose than the others

[silk hare]

depends on the build Im going for and party composition

[cobalt escarp]

for a melee build, frostbite. for ranged ray of frost

[silk hare]

also if I want to min-max, probably neither

[eager marsh]

personally? frostbite if i wanna try and mitigate enemy impact on my meat shields- i mean allies. ray of frost is more likely to land tho

con saves are the statistically highest average save for monsters

[vagrant notch]

Alr

[vagrant notch]

Even for 16?

[cobalt escarp]

if one creature gets hit with multiple ray of frost, can they have their speed reduced to 0?

[vagrant notch]

Idk

[glass granite]

I don’t believe the effects stack but I could be wrong

[eager marsh]

level 16? yes?

[vagrant notch]

Dc 16

[eager marsh]

the effect wont stack

[eager marsh]

that doesnt matter. monster's have their con saves higher on average than other stats

[silk hare]

most of dnd combat boils down to math and probability, and if their highest safe is CON, even if your DC is 20+, statistically theyll save the most using CON

so everything that relies on another safe would be a better choice

[vagrant notch]

Hey i got an idea, what about if i change the boss using polymorph and they failed on cons check or wis check idk i forgot, i turn it into a turtle if i use disintegrate spell will the spell gonna erase the boss from existence

[silk hare]

tbh not sure, but I dont think it would work, as the effects of "polymorph" only work up until the target hits 0 HP

[eager marsh]

yes but they usually have legendary resistances for that

[vagrant notch]

After they ran out of it, is it possible

[silk hare]

also, assuming that you didnt do enough damage with disintegrate to kill the "real creature too", I personally wouldnt allow it, as only the secondary form was reduced to 0HP- which only lasts until it reaches said point, after which it is replaced with the original

but that might be a good question for #dnd-rules if you want the RAW ruling

[vagrant notch]

Okkk, thanks mate

[eager marsh]

Sure but usually they're already just near dead by that point and just going straight to disintegrate is more useful

[limber trail]

Polymorph gives temp HP. If you hit them with a disintegrate, you'd need the disintegrate to get rid of all of the temp hit points and then all of their hit points

[vale kettle]

Oh they changed how polymorph works as well?

I assume its to prevent the polymorph + power word kill thing?

[limber trail]

Likely so (along with a number of other things)

although to be honest with 9th level spells there are better ways you can guarantee a kill

[vale kettle]

Or learn shape change 🗿

[empty mural]

I’m thinking of writing a campaign. It is kind of like Curse of Strahd, but he isn’t a vampire (obviously). And a big feature of the game is that every time you do something to weaken him, he will retaliate in some way, and players will learn they have to hide somewhere if they piss him off until they find a sword meant to kill him.

So, would you play this?

[umbral girder]

Cannot be effected by multiple instants of the same effect

[dawn wigeon]

Haven’t played since before the new ED came out, how viable are rangers now?

[umbral girder]

It’s why you can’t do a potion of growth + enlarge spell because they both do the Enlarge spell for example

[umbral girder]

Still works pretty well

Anyway if you want to drop someone’s speed you could probably do it with an Eldritch knight

Ray of Frost, Slasher Feat, with the Slow mastery for a -30ft of speed

[vagrant notch]

I got 2 reminder from dyno, Idk what happened

[vale kettle]

Isn’t it effects of the same name dont stack?

[vagrant notch]

I only sent dnd love emoji

[severe rampart]

if you check the rules, #rules you will understand why

[cursive fjord]

So if the Poisoner Feat let's you ignore Resistance for Poision specifically, does anything like that exist for Acid Damage?

[umbral girder]

Not to my knowledge

[vale kettle]

Elementalist no?

[cursive fjord]

I dont think there is either but thought I would ask

[umbral girder]

Maybe elemental adept but besides that nothing else

[cursive fjord]

Im not versed in 2024 feats

[umbral girder]

Yeah elemental adept lets you choose acid

[cursive fjord]

Yep it's covered

[umbral girder]

Never heard of this

[cursive fjord]

Am kinda sad it's not a half feat 🙁

[umbral girder]

The 2024 version is

Notably it’s only for spells

So if you got a magic item or something else for acid it won’t help

[cursive fjord]

Hmm now to decide for my character

It's a spell on the weapon so it falls under it thankfully

Is Poisoner for spells only? I don't think so

[umbral girder]

Nope

Helps against the 5 ish monsters that resist poison

And not for the 119ish guys Immune to poison

Using the MM25 for that

[cursive fjord]

Alright i think I know what I'm taking for my level 4 feat now

[limber trail]

It’s not very good

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah elemental adept stops you from rolling low too on damage rolls

[limber trail]

I would not recommend poisoner

[vale kettle]

Elementalist adept i mean

[umbral girder]

I’d recommend Poisoner if you expect to fight a lot of Dwarves

[cursive fjord]

I got mini poisoner baked into my character already

[umbral girder]

Of course the amount of guys who are not immune to poison in the MM25 is a 3:1 ratio.

But bypassing resistance is on its own not much

Heh it’s mostly dwarves when I checked DnD beyond who got poison resistance

[robust kite]

Anyone got any tips on like getting more in character? Like for example if the characther's personality is like outgoing and friendly-

[rough basalt]

Poison will always be hilarious

Majority of monsters in the 25 MM don't resist/immune but they're almost never used

[umbral girder]

76% of the MM25 is not immune or resistant in fact

[severe rampart]

the 1d12 damage is pretty nice at low levels

(assuming you don't have access to Eldritch Blast)

[rough basalt]

Yep, but most dms only use one of three categories of enemies
Undead, Construct, Fiend

[silk hare]

think of a backstory, bonds, ideals, flaws of the character

[severe rampart]

No humanoid?

[rough basalt]

Goblins are the exception of enemies dms will use that aren't immune.

Tho they're Fey

[severe rampart]

Cultists, Warlocks, etc. are fun to throw at the party

[halcyon forum]

this is hyperbole, but there is some truth to the idea that certain monsters are way more common to face than others, just because of their status in pop culture alone, and it makes sense to evaluate features base on that knowledge

[silk hare]

since when are goblins distinctly fey?

[rough basalt]

Its also cause there's little moral conundrums with undead, constructs or fiends

[vale kettle]

Pretty sure in the 2024 update

[silk hare]

ah, well that explains it

[stoic haven]

Mornin

[rough basalt]

You dont gotta worry about needing an rp way out of a situation when the creature has bestial level thought and isnt a living being

[stoic haven]

Goblins canonically have almost always been Fey, only recently have they had the creature type changed to Fey

[umbral girder]

Yeah goblins being fey foolery has been decades

[silk hare]

hm interesting, I thought they were simply "beasts"/creatures native to the material plane

[rough basalt]

It's just easier to justify indiscriminate murder of Undead, Constructs and Fiends too

[umbral girder]

Nah that’s kobolds

Goblins, likes elves, have their origins in different planes

[rough basalt]

Goblins are an exception on that list for a lot of players cause they think Goblins are a lot of things they aren't.

[umbral girder]

Difference being Goblins still hangout in both planes more than elves

I think dragon stuff and monstrosities and beasts are the most material plane dudes in the MM

[reef tundra]

Goblin lore makes me sad :(
But damn it's gripping

A campaign bout facing Maglubyet and freeing goblinkind would be awesome

[umbral girder]

Dude beyond the power of stats and spells vs guys with spells and stats

A fair fight

[reef tundra]

Could be an aspect of Maglubyet, and the mere gesture of defeating an aspect of their tyrannical ruler could inspire the goblins to rise up and free themselves

I am a very big fan of campaigns about defeating the influence of gods
-# Almost as if the biggest villain in my setting is named the God Defier

[short brook]

CR C4 having that be orcs was awesome

[umbral girder]

Surprise spoilers in here

[reef tundra]

I am very glad I cannot understand what that's saying

[short brook]

thats not even a spoiler lol

[umbral girder]

Some people watch these campaigns in order fun fact

[short brook]

I guess? They're not even connected in any way, it's like a synopsis

[reef tundra]

I have not seen c4

[short brook]

This was knowledge before the campaign even dropped, it wouldn't be spoilers

[umbral girder]

Which most people wouldn't have

[short brook]

ok, they used that as a grab for marketing. I don't see how that's bad to mention?

[glad ferry]

Would it be bad to place a cursed item at some point in the campaign that if the olayers find it and bond with it they cant crit meaning they'd use a d19?

[umbral girder]

Why a d19?

Just have a Nat 20 just do nothing

Just like how adamantine armor does it

[glad ferry]

Never gotten that kind of armor

[vagrant notch]

I wanna try a warlock, my friends said they're pretty boring, is it true cuz everytime i see that class they only do one thing and thats casting eldrich blast

[grizzled jewel]

Do looking for players get deleted after awhile?

[umbral girder]

After a week usually

[grizzled jewel]

Ah ok

[umbral girder]

I think?

[short brook]

Eldritch Blast is just a cool spell

[grizzled jewel]

So I would have to make a new post

[short brook]

But Warlocks are the most customizable class in the game

[umbral girder]

Sure. So you get a small amount of max spell slots that come back on a short rest and there are a handful of invocations that let you cast spells without using any spell slots.

[short brook]

And have a hook built in, being the patron

[vagrant notch]

Does the infinite spells combo still can be use, if im not wrong taking sorcerer as a multiclass

[umbral girder]

You still need to short rest

[short brook]

Some of the spells they get for invocations get the at will thing

[umbral girder]

Oddly enough the way I play Warlock is very akin to 2000s era video games

A lot of horizontal progression build stuff

[glad ferry]

Thats because the hex/eldritch blast does damage. And its a cantrip like fireball for them

[cobalt owl]

Seems about right

[short brook]

Warlocks are short rest merchants

Eldritch Blast is a warlock only cantrip, that does force damage, and scales beautifully at later levels

[glad ferry]

And just so you know. Theres very few things that have resistance to force damage

If you reach a point eldritch blast can also push enemies back 5 ft or something like that

[umbral girder]

Unless they get a lucky roll on magic items of course

[vagrant notch]

So eldritch blast is just scorching ray in a nutshell

[umbral girder]

As a cantrip notably

Also you can stack different effects with invocations too

[short brook]

Yes, also the flavor is very wide since it's pure energy

[vagrant notch]

Yea, ur right idt spamming it for the whole 15 consecutive round would be fun tho

[short brook]

Thats because warlocks get like 2 spells

[grizzled jewel]

I havent played D&D in over a year I really want to play a long campaign

[umbral girder]

I love the update 2024 did for warlocks

[short brook]

you could also go melee

[glad ferry]

I wouldn't know that one. Im not familiar with most spells yet. Im just slowly getting into spell users. My primary is a barbarian and rogue. Slowly going into paladin, wizard, and cleric

[short brook]

I haven't read them, so i'm not sure what changed

[umbral girder]

Being able to actually have your subclass spells auto prepared unlike 2014 is so much better

[vagrant notch]

Do they get arcane recovery?

[short brook]

Oh that makes a lot of sense

No but they get their spells back on a short rest

[umbral girder]

They get it every short rest

All their slots specifically

[glad ferry]

Warlocks are the one with hexblade yes?

[short brook]

Yes

[vagrant notch]

Lmao

[umbral girder]

They can also spend 1 minute to get half their slots back too

[short brook]

They're the fighters of spell casting lol

[umbral girder]

Also they can get a bunch of spells no longer needing spell slots to use as well

[vagrant notch]

Hol up

[glad ferry]

Why do you think some people mutlivlass warlock just for the spell slots recovery

[rapid mason]

hi guys im new to dnd i made a character thats a bard that just enjoys using vicious mockery is that a good one?

[sleek zealot]

👋

[short brook]

Warlocks are just goated im afraid

[vagrant notch]

Ouhhhh i can combine them with the high elf

[umbral girder]

But yeah 2014 did not give spells to warlocks as part of their subclass

[short brook]

Weird.

[umbral girder]

It instead added those spells to their spell list.

[short brook]

I always thought that was a thing tbh

[umbral girder]

So you could learn it, but didn't get them

[past edge]

Anyone wanna hear an idea for a character I had?

[short brook]

That's so silly actually

[umbral girder]

Yeah its the only class to have that too. Every 2014 warlock subclass made sure to word it that way.

[short brook]

Spit

[vagrant notch]

So by u mean they're dumb?haha

[umbral girder]

Like Druid, Ranger, Paladin, and Cleric subclasses made sure to say you both learned and prepared their spells. Warlock only had it added to their spell lists.

[glad ferry]

I love barbarians. I just dont like the singing bards. Don't mind dancer and a few of the other classes

[short brook]

Oh right best thing about warlock is their 3-4 spells are always upcasted

I completely forgot about that

[umbral girder]

Yeah warlocks always have their spells at their highest possible slot until 5th level slots are unlocked

[limber trail]

That’s good but it also does come at a detriment because it inherently makes their spells that dont upcast well, a lot less enticing to take in the long run

[glad ferry]

Warlocks are the goat lol. Their eldritch blast when upgraded and combined with hex which can be moved as a bonus action when that enemy dies

[severe rampart]

Building a Bard Boss is fun

[short brook]

True, that does limit them a little

[umbral girder]

Also in the 2024 rules the mystic arcanum spells don't trigger the "1 spell slot a turn" rule

[short brook]

They don't count because they're free technically right?

[umbral girder]

They don't use spell slots is why for Mystic Arcanum is why

Same with their "Cast this spell at will" invocations too

[past edge]

As a kid, a hag attempted to harvest their soul. But someone protected them from this, but the hag was able to place a curse on him that operates very similarly to Leprosy. Whenever his will to live falters, his condition would worsen slightly, shortening his lifespan. He was bandaged up constantly as a child, avoided regularly, and many times his condition worsened over the course of his childhood. As an adult, he wears a full set of armor and doesn't speak very often, only taking his helmet off when he believes he is alone. He tries to be as resolute as possible, to avoid dying early due to the curse.

[woven flint]

I've got a love/hate relationship with Warlock

[glad ferry]

Is eldritch blast a spell one that let's you use it as a reaction? I know theres very few spells that can do this

[woven flint]

No

[umbral girder]

Nope

[severe rampart]

Unless War Caster, no

[short brook]

I like it, makes a cool mystery and a stalwart character is always cool.

[cursive fjord]

I know the rule exist, but where do I find that I cant cast a spell while using a two handed weapon?

[umbral girder]

That isn't a rule?

[cursive fjord]

I'm wanting to use a Glaive but still be able to cast

[past edge]

The visual appearance of this character would be so emaciated that one might mistake him for an undead

[umbral girder]

I think its more the material component rule needs you to be holding the material component

[glad ferry]

I love warcaster. My dsncer bard has speedy, actor, and warcastrr as feats

[short brook]

That's cool, I assumed he's still bandaged underneath also?

[cursive fjord]

Gotcha... I wonder the best way around that and is it only Warcaster?

[lyric viper]

In SAC you can cast spell while holding a two handed weapon because you can remove a hand to cast

[severe rampart]

So hear me out (Don't read if you're a part of my CoS campaign)
||Going to be using a PC statblock for this Bard Boss, as this is the vampire spawn version of their dead party member||

[umbral girder]

War Caster does not do that

[lyric viper]

You only need two hands on the weapon to wield it for an attack

[umbral girder]

War Caster gets past the somatic compnent which is not an issue for two handed builds

Its Sword and Shield builds that need War Caster

[past edge]

In some places where it is necessary, but not all over his body like before. The bandages were partially to cover himself up, which the armor now serves to do. Though it's probably very uncomfortable to wear

[umbral girder]

Two handed weapons are fine

[short brook]

I don't know if the previous stat sheet translates well into a boss tbh

[severe rampart]

Your hands are not glued to the handle of the weapon, you can very well just... hold a two handed weapon with one hand, cast a spell real quick, and put your hand back on it

[cursive fjord]

Hope you don't mine me replying, for example if I have a BA that cast that gives the weapon a coat that does more damage, i can attack as an action with the glaive afterwards correct

[umbral girder]

Two handed property even says "You can use 1 hand to hold the weapon"

[woven flint]

Or, alternatively..
||Give the Vampire Spawn Bard spells and have them support a bunch of other Spawn||

[umbral girder]

Its attacking that requires two hands

[lavish flame]

yup! in fact, thats most of what a Paladin does

[severe rampart]

That'll be hard, the party will only be ||Level 5 at that point||, risking a TPK

[cursive fjord]

Wait duh, why didn't I think of that

[umbral girder]

Because the material component for paladin spells is a weapon

[short brook]

The armor+bandages obfuscate the silhouette, I thinks its a very neat idea

[crimson gulch]

Risking a tpk should be frequent

[glad ferry]

Plus warcaster gives you advantage on concentration spell checks when your attacked. Thkugh i dont think it should use a spell users constitution modifier

[severe rampart]

I nearly killed a PC today, too bad the Nat 1 on the Death Saving Throw was cocked

[woven flint]

Then have it support lesser undead, I suppose

[short brook]

Kinda like the one king with leprosy and the mask

[severe rampart]

Felt so good getting 4/5 PCs in a Fireball

[past edge]

I think he would believe his life has no value unless he is using it to protect others, which is why he has a tendency to be very self sacrificing. Finding that value within himself would prevent his condition from worsening, but he could die all the same from the risks he imposes upon himself

[short brook]

Thats evil.

[umbral girder]

I did something similar

4 Hell fire Orbs and 2 Destructive waves on the entire praty.

[severe rampart]

Skeleton Backup Dancers

[short brook]

I love that character trait, I used it once or twice 😅

[woven flint]

I dunno why people are like
"It feels GOOD to kill player characters"
To me, it sounds like you have no joy in life.
I'd still kill my players, but I'd mourn the loss of their characters with them.

[short brook]

Lowkey, yeah thats a little evil lol

[glad ferry]

What level is the party echo?

[severe rampart]

I didn't say it felt good to kill players, said it felt good get 4/5 players in the fireball, which is just satisfying (none of them died)

[crimson gulch]

I morn with them too, but thats the risk they take going on an adventure

[umbral girder]

Btw no hellfire orbs next session Tokii.

[crimson gulch]

Knowing that death could happen is how we truly get to live

[woven flint]

Finally

[short brook]

I bet it's satisfaction, but goddamn does it feel horrible to have that sudden realization before the moment comes

[umbral girder]

Cant promise no Destructive waves tho or any Spider Vortexes

[severe rampart]

I also feel good when I get most enemies in a fireball as a PC

[short brook]

Aw man we're in a line 🫩

[past edge]

Last game I was in, the dm one-shot killed two players two sessions in a row. Not downed. Killed.

[woven flint]

I know, I'm just talking in general

[severe rampart]

Currently Level 4, most likely going to level up to 5 in 3-4 sessions perhaps

I'm planning to have them be Level 5 at the fight

[short brook]

You could just not use lightning bolt, thanks

[woven flint]

Too many dms act like they relish killing PCs
Isn't the point to get attached to your players characters then feel the pain they do when you pull the trigger?

[silk hare]

What did they use

[severe rampart]

Indeed, they make it seem like it's the DM vs The Players

[fossil hollow]

you can take a lightning bolt at level 4

[cursive fjord]

Hmm do I play a Doctor who uses a Syth as a weapon?

[silk hare]

(takes notes)

[umbral girder]

I tanked a 5th level fireball at level 3 once

[past edge]

Super overleveled enemies. Their standard abilities killed us lmao

[crimson gulch]

If they aren't attached then killing is meaning less

[woven flint]

Exactly!

[past edge]

One was a minotaur, one was a pirate captain

[limber trail]

I tanked two regular fireballs at level 2 once. I’m still mad.

[severe rampart]

let them grow attached first... and then kill them at the right time?

[fossil hollow]

yea

[severe rampart]

Absorb Elements and what did you use

[silk hare]

Yup

[umbral girder]

I only handeled it because of a good dex save, temp hp from armorer subclass, and absorb elements

[fossil hollow]

ehehehehehehehehehe

[limber trail]

Was a monk unfortunately

[severe rampart]

Ooh nice

[rough basalt]

Nah kill in session 1

[silk hare]

Hella low roll then huh

[short brook]

Dying is a fun prospect, because it means there are consequences/risks but I don't relish the idea of the character actually permanently dying. That sounnds silly

[silk hare]

Almost did that, retconned an enemy bc it was too broken xD

[limber trail]

I don’t even remember how I survived it

[fossil hollow]

artanza i think

[limber trail]

I don’t think I used relentless endurance either (I forgor)

[severe rampart]

You know, this is the first time my PCs have genuinely shocked me, they performed poorly in the social aspects (not an insult, it was very fun for the whole table), and managed to commit 13 crimes in 6 hours

[woven flint]

My Paladin died in session 2 of Nealens Eve of Ruin campaign, but it was still emotionally impactful because he basically sacrificed himself to save the rest of the party lol

[limber trail]

He got me back im just not sure how it wasn’t an instant down

[crimson gulch]

Epic

[rough basalt]

I haven't permanently killed a PC in too long so my health has taken a downturn.

I need to run a Tomb of Horrors for the cure.

[severe rampart]

They just... rushed right in and immediately went to a boss fight

[short brook]

At what level does a party have to be against a fully decked out level 20 pc

[rough basalt]

They shouldn't be fighting a PC.

[woven flint]

You've made threats against Orizontas' life!

[severe rampart]

That PC 100% would have died there, if not for the cocked dice, inside of a burning house

[umbral girder]

Quick I need to get your warlock next /hj

[short brook]

Hypothetical

[rough basalt]

Orizontas is unstoppable.

[umbral girder]

Ideally never

[woven flint]

He truly is the wall

[rough basalt]

Hypothetically never.

[short brook]

Thanks

[limber trail]

They fight monsters, not PCs. A level 20 character is roughly converted to CR 12, which can be taken out by a level 7ish party. But again, that’s a CR 12 creature. Do not use character sheets for your monsters, it’ll go poorly

[severe rampart]

God I hate CR

[rough basalt]

There's a reason the devs abandoned using PC sheets for monsters very early in 5es life cycle.

[limber trail]

Use one of the many CR 12 humanoids that represent the equivalent of high level characters

[feral fulcrum]

Thou Shalt Not do PC versus PC-Alike combat

[woven flint]

I too hate Critical Role /hj

[feral fulcrum]

It never goes well

[crimson gulch]

Oooh me too I just got tales from the yawning portal

[glad ferry]

Use the encounter calculator to see what pairs well with it. Theres also some very odd enemies with low cr thar are actually effective

[woven flint]

Combine Tomb of Horror and Tales of the Yawning Portal

Tales of The Tomb of Horror

[fossil hollow]

was there a bot posting a sus link or something

[limber trail]

Tales of the yawning horror

[lavish flame]

Wildemount has a place thats like "This place is haunted and spooky" and I've just moved the Tomb of Horrors into there in my sandbox

[short brook]

i'm not asking because i'm going to run it, i'm just curious at level does a normal 4-5ish person party have a decent encounter against a legendary adventurer

[glad ferry]

Just like there's high cr that works really only at lower levels

[severe rampart]

Would I want the "Lesser of the Two Evils" that the party chose to side with to betray them, or to be afraid of them after they killed/assassinated the greater of two evils...

[feral fulcrum]

CR is completely useles on it's own, you do have actually factor in their abilities and the PC's.

[woven flint]

Tales of the Portal Tomb

[umbral girder]

Isn't the Tomb of Horrors in that module?

[fossil hollow]

like the dullahan

[rough basalt]

Ye it's the last adventure in it.

[limber trail]

Hither Tither staff say whaaaaaaat

[glad ferry]

Lady bombs, black pudding

[fossil hollow]

you got two charges left on that thing, right?

[slate delta]

How do I create a looking for players post? First time DM here

[limber trail]

I’m not telling you

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[woven flint]

My 3 dms are in this chat right now!

Hey, when are you guys gonna kill a PC of mine? (Sora and Ti)
Nealens already killed one!

[crimson gulch]

That's the book it's printed in tho

[umbral girder]

"I bring a cake."
Rolls deception

[fossil hollow]

i can look

[limber trail]

(Yes)

[rough basalt]

Idk

[limber trail]

Metagaming smh

[fossil hollow]

good, resource consumption is going well.. and yall are only about halfway

[umbral girder]

Sora did kill my character then he didn't kill my character last session I was with him

[rough basalt]

Technically you killed your character

[limber trail]

I’m basically full on my resources

[umbral girder]

hear me out.
5 more cards.

[limber trail]

It’s just magic items and luck points

[woven flint]

Artanza is suffering.

[fossil hollow]

for now

[limber trail]

I’ve got all of my focus points

I don’t believe I’ve ever run out of focus points

[woven flint]

I blame you because most of my used spellslots are from you npcing him smh that one sessionb

[severe rampart]

My party threw a wrench into my train of thought and now I have 100 ideas of how things will go because they just killed a politically important person... and all of them feel right

[fossil hollow]

short rest recharge is a hell of a drug

[limber trail]

I don’t even short rest often

[umbral girder]

Tokii is basically full of his warlock features

[limber trail]

I just use them efficiently

[rough basalt]

One Shot next Friday I'll knock a player off their flying mount so they fall to their death so I can get a quick medicine

[fossil hollow]

gotta spread out the hits yeah

[limber trail]

I’ve been actively using resources more this level

And still haven’t had huge issues yet

[glad ferry]

Pc characters die unfortunantly. And theres a chance revivify and even resurrection at a temple dont work. I have backup characters always ready

[umbral girder]

You do tend to not spread hits.

[severe rampart]

Proud to say none of my characters have ever died

[fossil hollow]

ive been doing more of that recently 😭

they usuall just focus fire the big one 🙃

but no matter, i got next time

[glad ferry]

Ive had one almost die twice now. Only one that died was my first time ever using them

[rough basalt]

I've only ever died to very unbalanced forced encounters and bad homebrew.

[umbral girder]

Time to fix that in Menzobarrenzan /jk

[severe rampart]

fought an Adult Gem Dragon at level 5, lived to tell the tale

[limber trail]

Awesome

[glad ferry]

If you can investigate and figure out their personality before some dragons you can take offerings to

[rough basalt]

Like the level 8 Paladin and level 8 Artificer against 30 int devourers

[umbral girder]

That is a choice

[rough basalt]

Cause "you guys have fireball and revivify"

[limber trail]

Yeah that’s bad encounter design

[severe rampart]

Insane

[umbral girder]

Yeah it should be 28 intellect devourers /jk

[fossil hollow]

what the hell is revivify doing when they eat your damn mind and move in

[limber trail]

That’s just not fun

[short brook]

I remember stopping a dragon from a razing a town as a sole pc, it was still the coolest thing i've ever done. Felt like superman (was playing a barb)

[rough basalt]

She never read any of rules my guess

[umbral girder]

I need to do a campaign with a Mind Flayer as the BBEG

[glad ferry]

The problem I have with 2 that are in our party is their solution is always to kill them, or simply do nothing to help

[woven flint]

Alternatively

Elder Brain Dragon BBEG

[umbral girder]

Nah

Elder brain stuff is feeling way too oversaturated for me

I'd like just a Mind Flayer on his own being a problem

[woven flint]

I yearn to fight an Elder Brain 😔

[umbral girder]

Maybe an arcanist to show it is seperate from the rest of it's colony

[rough basalt]

Good thing about Arcanist

The three attack multiattack that stuns and kills instantly on 0hp