dnd-discussion

[wanton raft]

Hoping for this one day

[timid ferry]

i play as a barbarian 19 year old princess

i love acting her out

she recently leveled up too so now she can attack twice in battle and her speed increased

[short brook]

Barbarians are my favorite class, everybody else loves spellcasters. I love being a wall of muscle

[river plank]

I’m personally a big fan of fighter. I like being at the frontline and incredibly tough to take down
-# although I have found myself going down more frequently than not because of that too

[timid ferry]

she used to be a fighter but she got reclassed >:3 she’s a zealot barbarian now, and by god is she a tank

[short brook]

same, martials have been my favorite fantasy

[timid ferry]

she was a battle master fighter, then she switched to a zealot barbarian her ac is lik 17 without armor which is crazy

i also got really lucky with her and rolled good stats on almost all modifiers

had to nerf some of them

[short brook]

I love spellcasters too but there's something satisfying about being an imposing force of physical might

[woven flint]

My two favorite Muscle boys I've played were Mavros (Minotaur Giant Barbarain)

And Xarroth Rasquall (Golden Dragonborn Glory Paladin)

[timid ferry]

mavros is SUCH a sick name

[short brook]

Mavros is pretty sick 😭

I go for mouthfeel in my names usually

[timid ferry]

i’m playing as a barbarian right now (ivanka blackforest “ivanka the terrible”) and a college of eloquence bard (prospero cantabile)

[short brook]

Like "oo that sounds good"

My two most recent ones are Evankhell and Merkava

[river plank]

One of my favorite things to do in a 2024 campaign I’m in right now is athletics checks with my champion fighter because it always ends up working more than well enough. I think once someone else rolled a 4 to pry doors open and it didn’t work so immediately after their turn I did the same and got a 20 and it felt wonderful

[timid ferry]

me too, i always wanna name my ocs with things that fit and sound good

[woven flint]

Xarroth dueled a Fellow Glory Paladin to the death in a mighty clash and won, even after striking him down, he told him it was an Honor to battle with him lol

[timid ferry]

oh this is so sick

[short brook]

My most favorite thing i did was the dice telling a story for my Goliath barbarian (my first pc)

I rolled a nat 1 to punch a door down, and I asked if I can try again and rolled a nat 20

[woven flint]

They were both good aligned individuals, but he couldn't let us pass onto another area without proving our Strength and he challenged me in particular to a Duel with our lives on the line, it was great lol

[timid ferry]

i had ivanka fight against someone who was trying to kill a party member and she literally paralyzed him during the fight 🥹 she’s human too

[river plank]

Absolutely wonderful

[short brook]

"My bad, I used the wrong form"

[timid ferry]

this Goliath just seeing this 19 year old girl in a princess dress and armor approaching him menacingly

[woven flint]

Xarroth was originally supposed to be a Paladin that fought with his bare hands

His whole thing was being born part of a noble family, but not wanting to be fed by that silver spoon, so he fought to earn everything including his title of Nobility

[short brook]

That goes incredibly hard

[timid ferry]

oooh he’s humble!!! love that for someone with a noble background

[woven flint]

"A king isn't a king if he can't lift his nation with his bare hands!"

[river plank]

Roll for athletics

[short brook]

Dude I love the down to earth person becomes nobility, one of my favorite tropes

[woven flint]

He was a Golden Dragonborn, he definetly had the cadence of a person born of nobility, but he didn't suffer bullies and class divide easily
He believed that Nobles should work just as hard as their people and real kings treated their people as family

[timid ferry]

sadly my princess is a stuck up brat and is incredibly pompous but she matures throughout the campaign

she lost her brother/servant during the campaign too which sort of forced her to lock in an actually collaborate with the rest of the party 🥲

[short brook]

Most recently, the coolest thing i've done is be a stalwart wall for my party. One of the party members was about to get gored by a minotaur and I stepped in with my reaction rolled a dirty 20 for a strength check and stopped it dead in its tracks. Felt so damn cool

[timid ferry]

god i love rolling high numbers to do cool stuff especially when it means saving someone or the entire party

[short brook]

I love str so much, my beloved stat

[woven flint]

I think you guys would like my old man tortle knowledge cleric
He's not a strenght brusier type of individual by any means, but he's a very forgiving fellow.
He's revived THREE people that the party has killed in combat because he felt that they were undeserving of death.
Costed us quite a few diamonds and a spell scroll of revivify, but he's a firm believer in second chances.
Though he puts the survival of his party first over second chances

But he's adopted so many of our former enemies to live in our Taven/Manor with us because he wanted to protect them from their former bosses instead of forcing them to go back and face them with failure and to give them a second shot at life

[timid ferry]

i love redeemer characters so much oh my goodness

[short brook]

Was their any consequences for their benevolence?

[woven flint]

Nope, a lot of people like him
There have been bad people that have tried to attack our Manor, but the ones Artanza had shown mercy to always stuck by our side

[fossil hollow]

oh god, you technically have another person you adopted

[woven flint]

Cute little fact for him
He uses a shortened quarterstaff as a Walking Cane and affixed his holy symbol as the handle.so its also his spellcasting focus lol

[woven flint]

Another? 👁️ 👁️
Grandpa Artanza would love to adopt more, yes

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, the bandit you revived

assuming he doesnt decide to turn himself in

[woven flint]

Artanza would be willing to pay off his charges

[fossil hollow]

if yer gonna do that, he's gonna just decide to not turn himself in and just get started on his new path lmao

[woven flint]

Epic 😎

Most of my characters are pretty willing to be merciful if the chance is provided, mostly because needlessly killing bums me out lol

Don't get me wrong, sometimes its just how it is and frankly, I can deal with it lol
Artanza is just like... the embodiment of my sympathy, he worked as a librarian and taught little kids how to read before working with the party, of course he's going to try and be merciful whenever he can lol

[rugged hawk]

Those who BEG for mercy.... are TOO WEAK to deserve it!

[exotic abyss]

Hello again fellas

[exotic abyss]

For my character leaving witnesses is simply impractical

[woven flint]

He believes that a LOT of the crime in Waterdeep comes from undereducation or people not being able to achieve their goals and having to resort to crimes

[rugged hawk]

That's not a realistic belief.

[woven flint]

For a tortle character, Artanza is played pretty Straight Man/Non-jokingly

[exotic abyss]

Why not? Adds up to me (granted I don't know forgotten realms lore)

[rugged hawk]

This isn't the right channel to point out why it isn't, but it's not.

[woven flint]

From my understanding
Crime Lords like Xanathar and Manshoon prey on people who are down on their luck

or just have fanatics sometimes

[exotic abyss]

Can we move the convo to the appropriate channel then?

[exotic abyss]

Which is due to them not knowing better

[rugged hawk]

Put simply, those with the most influence, money, and power, meaning those most capable of achieving their goals, are those who commit the worst crimes. For D&D examples, see: Vecna, Bhaal, Vlaakith, etc etc etc

[woven flint]

That doesn't mean that there aren't just pure evil people working for Manshoon and Xanathar of course, but I don't see all of them being pure evil

[exotic abyss]

Yes, but some do crime out of desperation

One doesn't exclude the other

[fossil hollow]

So, #dnd-discussion message

[oak orchid]

I'm new here. Just saying hi 🤘

[exotic abyss]

Hello there mate

[short brook]

Hello friend

[woven flint]

Hello, Teddy

[exotic abyss]

How's it going?

[timid ferry]

hai :3

[short brook]

I'm gonna just make Cu Chulainn eventually, mythic hulk essentially 👍

[exotic abyss]

BTW in y'alls opinion: is animate dead a good spell to use extensively?

Keep a whole bunch of thralls around

[rugged hawk]

This is true. However, small time crime of desperation, unless done on a significant scale by a significant portion of a population, doesn't even begin to approach the harm caused by those who abuse their power. Strahd is a good example. So is Lord Harkon (TES, sacked a thousand people to become a vamp).

[exotic abyss]

True, but in that case it is on a grand scale and the character is trying to combat it the best she can

Plus she's an adventurer, so she's probably stopping big evils too

[near karma]

yes
if you have a bag of holding, you can store some of the skeletons in there

[timid ferry]

the urge to join another campaign but i have midterms and finals…

schooling is such a pain

[hollow pollen]

Hi y'al

[timid ferry]

but I need to get that degree eek

[timid ferry]

hey!!!

[exotic abyss]

"Sir, we need to inspect your bag"

Opens bag, smell of 20 rotting corpses assaults the guards and they lose consciousness

[hollow pollen]

Y'all wanna rate my DND character backstory

[exotic abyss]

Go ahead

[hollow pollen]

Yeva the god of oblivion
Yes the Alton towers ride

Basically a young teenager girl went to towers when she was young and when she went on the ride oblivion for fright nights on Halloween day it was a blood moon the haunted souls of Alton towers were most active anyway as she went on the drop oblivion got struck my lighting that released her harness as she fell down the 180ft drop the spirits of towers ended up brining her back with the powers of oblivion the lord of darkness and she can basically summon rollercoaster train she can also teleport and dose better damage in the dark and can teleport people light ranges and damages

[rugged hawk]

My point is only that it's.... like taking ibuprofen, at best, for a hemmoraging artery

[hollow pollen]

I made this at 2am while I had a no sleep

[exotic abyss]

Your average DnD town or village is probably not vexed by Vecna 24/7

[hollow pollen]

I am a giant rollercoaster fan also have one for thir13een and Rita

[rugged hawk]

I mean, given it's D&D, I wouldn't be surprised if they were?

[past edge]

What about that one guy that Thanos kept torturing every time he had a birthday? Sometimes bad people just do impulsive thing

[exotic abyss]

Again, super campaign dependent. And during downtime why not fight the cause of petty crime?

[exotic abyss]

Off those people

I'm oversimplyfing but in DnD that's a solution

[hollow pollen]

Watcha think?

[past edge]

Can't off Thanos man, the avengers have been trying for ages

[exotic abyss]

They underleveled

[past edge]

You rite

[exotic abyss]

To be fair so is my character... for now

Give it like 20 sessions

Or one wish spell

[exotic abyss]

I'm not familiar with the setting, but if it suits the setting seems decent

[hollow pollen]

Basically it was a haunted Alton towers that got controlled by the ministry of joy that went insane

Another one where phalanx tried to take control of the park and tried to kill the nemesis creature

[fathom gate]

I hate to break it to ya but boblin the goblin solos

[quartz crow]

Dumb question maybe but does the find a game section have a way to seperate/filter out pbp and live games? I feel like since they're two very different gaming styles there should be one right lol

[remote wadi]

So, party member or 2 dissed Mercy Monk

Wonder how long that will last until they are sentenced to 4d6k3

[next ether]

question

where can I find a lfg channel I wanna promote my friends minecraft dnd thingy

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[agile hemlock]

I am reviving an old campaign and setting idea

Minor steampunk-wild west-samurai-european fantasy world that I called Red Dead Arcanum

[stoic haven]

So, been having this conversation with multiple college friends, and want some input. How do y'all like D&D compared to more OSR systems? What are some good things about D&D as a system over some other more OSR systems (can't say popularity)

[past edge]

For no reason other than that I'm too lazy to learn new systems, I prefer dnd lol

I don't think it's better than other systems, I just don't know other systems well enough to make a judgement, and because I'm lazy it will probably stay that way

I hate when my video games get updates and add new things, even if it's something as small as a new title screen lol

[stoic haven]

I believe D&D is better than other systems in specific areas, not an overall better though

[thorn cobalt]

So, how would y'all feel if DnD got hybrid classes similar to pathfinder?

[fossil hollow]

why not just play PF

[halcyon forum]

wdym with hybrid classes? Im only familiar with Pf2e

[karmic pendant]

What exactly are the hybrid classes in pathfinder?

[thorn cobalt]

uhhh, hold on, lemme get the page pulled up. Not sure if it's in 2e or not.

[wind dawn]

Good mornin

[remote wadi]

Hmmm

People are weird sometimes

[thorn cobalt]

Not sure what edition this is but there's hybrid classes for pathfinder and they take niches from the two classes in question and mash em together. Adding some rules and features/feats to make them work better

[rough basalt]

Pathfinder has Archetypes which let you take feats which are usually abilities from other classes

As well as species ect. Iirc

[halcyon forum]

I mean, we got feats that kinda do this, like magic initiate, eldritch adept etc

I wouldnt mind feat chains that build on this a bit

[rough basalt]

Like a Fighter who takes the Avenger archetype can take the feat for Smite Evil or something.

[rough basalt]

I hope the Villainous Paths get printed and become something they expand on for something like this.

[karmic pendant]

It would make for a cool alternative to multiclassing

[halcyon forum]

yeah the villainous paths need a bit of tuning but in principle, I think the concept could be used as an alternative to multiclassing

[rough basalt]

True, I like the idea of feat chains

[halcyon forum]

basically reinventing class archetypes from pf2e btw

[thorn cobalt]

Ikr? Maybe it's just me but multiclassing looks clunky and I've been told that people just prefer to stay to a single class because there's little benefit to it because you don't get the full kit of each class

[rough basalt]

I mean 5.5e so far has been a lot of 4e fixes this

And what did 4e fix? Pf2e

So pathfinder fixes this

[remote wadi]

So, I tried talking it out to the DM about the problem I had. I was kicked from the campaign

[halcyon forum]

as usual

[feral fulcrum]

I'm like 90% sure PF2E came after 4E

[rough basalt]

Ye but pf2e uses a lot of 4es classes and whatnot

[karmic pendant]

Did the dm say why they kicked you?

[rough basalt]

A lot of current popular tabletop games are either based/inspired or partially ripped off 4e or TSR era dnd

[thorn cobalt]

I'd probably need more experience because this idea of mine is coming from someone whose only experience with the game is watching other people play it with their own spins on it so iunno. I need to find a group to play with eventually.

[feral fulcrum]

If I recall correctly Bloodline did want their group to bend over backwards to maximize their Vampire/Gloomstalker playstyle. Correct me if I'm thinking of someone else.

[remote wadi]

I "don't quite fit in with the values and vibes of the party and campaign I run"

Strange way to say I didn't like the Bard spending a solid chunk of combat talking about Demon Hunters and not taking new spells that were 2 weeks overdue

[rough basalt]

MCing is very subjective imo

[remote wadi]

Right person, wrong campaign. That one died out from DM burnout

[thorn cobalt]

MCing? Oh, multiclassing, my bad.

[rough basalt]

Most MCing people do ime is for fun or character reasons.

But it's something you need to be careful of cause you can end up with a "dead" pc with bad MCing

I do like the archetype system over MCing so if Paths become a thing that's kinda like it I'm all for it

[remote wadi]

This time, it was a 2024 Mercy Monk. First real combat session, I went to the enemy backlines to kill goblin archers

After that, it was dashing back to aid the Bard out of self inflicted Frightened condition. Then getting back to the party to finish off ogres

[thorn cobalt]

What's the archetyping system specifically btw?

Like, I have a brief understanding of it but what makes it different from subclasses like in dnd?

[remote wadi]

They didn't like that and insisted I was "being the center of attention"

But I guess deciding to let them do everything for once didn't work either because DM still didn't enjoy it, it seems

[rough basalt]

Pf2e isnt really like class then subclass. It's a lot of feats that give subclass like abilities based on what you can access as a result of your race, class, and other feats you have

An archetype of another class or classes features lets you take stuff from that class so its their version of multiclassing in a sense, but a lot less streamlined

[thorn cobalt]

I think I get it, so it's essentially a bit more freedom without the underpoweredness of multiclassing?

[halcyon forum]

basically, Pf2e has a class feat at every second level, and you can replace these feats with archetypes feats. And every class gets an archtype feat chain

so these new feat chains in UA feel very similiar

[rough basalt]

Sometimes games have a popular houserule where you get one for free at level 1

I did once and found it all overwhelming so i just took one that gave me Find Familar and likely wouldve given me access to different similar summoning spells later

Idk its kind of a spreadsheet system

Tho Paizos version of a ddb character builder does a good job of doing that for you

[thorn cobalt]

Huh... Cool. Is there like a video or site you'd recommend for me to check out this system further or...?

[rough basalt]

Archives of Nethys is where you can find all their content. Paizo gives out all of their content except adventure modules for free

Be ready to read

[thorn cobalt]

I do like the freedom it gives, even if it's a bit overwhelming and for someone who wants to be a combat pragmatist in terms ttrpgs... it sounds fun

[rough basalt]

But lets mark "dnd-discussion turns to pathfinder-discussion" off our bingo cards and move back to dnd. But yeah if you want some really extensive character building and combat with the same flavor of fantasy as dnd check it out.

[thorn cobalt]

Sorry, sorry, my bad. But thank you for the info.

[halcyon forum]

I did send some links in #non-dnd-topics where we could continue

[pine herald]

if i want to ask about like, what dice should a scythe or chainsaw be where should I ask

[karmic pendant]

I would assume a scythe would have a similar dice to a spear

[pine herald]

like, spear but slash?

[karmic pendant]

Yeah

[pine herald]

minus the thrown

what about chainsaw? I think maybe 4d4 but idk

[karmic pendant]

That's a good question

[hidden spindle]

Greatsword

[fathom gate]

Fireball?

[rugged hawk]

Okay, but Negative Energy Burst

[austere root]

late to the convo but it can be very beneficial if you know what you're doing.
You need to carefully weigh what you're getting out of your next levels from your class against those you might get from something else.
Casters generally don't like to multiclass as much as martials because slowing down spell progression is painful, while martials tend to be more frontloaded and appreciate those early skills a lot. (e.g. action surge and fighting styles)

At least that's my observation. Some optimizer could pop in and tell me I'm totally wrong, I'm happy to learn.

[fathom gate]

What about power word plank?

[empty thicket]

Welp, if you considerate that some classes share requirements
Like fighter share STR with Barbarian

[austere root]

Fighter also works with dex

[empty thicket]

and either a fighter could use Rage or a barbarian some fighting style//action//secondwind

[rugged hawk]

Power Word: SCRUNCH

[austere root]

Ranger seems all set after lv9/10 so i'd grab fighter or something else

[fathom gate]

Power word invert

[empty thicket]

yeah, that is why its so good to multiclass

[rugged hawk]

Power Word: PARADOX

[empty thicket]

Anything related to Dext is giga good because Dext is x10 more useful than str

either skills//saves

[fathom gate]

power word AXE

[arctic cove]

Could someone help me get in contact with an old friend on here :p

[rugged hawk]

You brought this on yourself. Power Word: Skele-gone! ☠️

[undone rain]

Definetly a special name you got there

[fathom gate]

Looks like i’m forced to use my secret weapon

power word think of a npc name

[rugged hawk]

Spell fails, more than one word

[undone rain]

Shrooblin fooblin

[rugged hawk]

Also, Power Word: Tongue-tied. Can no longer speak.

[fathom gate]

Guess im forced to use my summon…

BOBLIN THE GOBLIN

[rugged hawk]

Only thing Boblin goblin is all dem NAT 1s

[fathom gate]

Uno reverse

[empty thicket]

its kinda shame you cant just multiclass to Ranger at all, because you would need to spend 2 levels for getting the good stuff

[rugged hawk]

Good, multiclass is heresy

Unless it's me Dual Classing from Fighter 9 to Mage.

[empty thicket]

but its kinda the same with fighter, for teh so powerful action surge

Wait, for extra actions in a turn there is Action Surge, Time stop and? what else?

[hoary totem]

Fpr literally no reason at all in-game, I am coming to hate faerie dragons. Because I just spent two hours trying to make origami and having an unusually hard time with it. The tutorial is labelled "faerie dragon."

[lean wigeon]

all multiclassed PCs will be eaten by a grue

yay :3

[rugged hawk]

It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a Grue!

[lean wigeon]

the world is now a better place

[boreal glacier]

Can a newbie get a invite

[knotty vine]

No

[boreal glacier]

😂

Please I promise to be nice

[knotty vine]

your preaching to the choir

[boreal glacier]

Welp I tried atleast

[knotty vine]

You gotta go to looking for game brochacho

[empty thicket]

good thing i wont multiclass NEVER!!!
I want to at first feel every class itself and then someday in a looong future try them multiclassed

[ivory forge]

Crazy that my name was flagged

[rugged hawk]

promises to be nice
sesh zero: Makes barbarian, begins screaming Blood for the blood god!

[ivory forge]

Oh it was my little emoticon lmao

[knotty vine]

Having pat down every class i gotta say i dont enjoy ranger ranger still

[empty thicket]

i had a lil try to it, 2014. A oneshot
Im going to be honest, i should had took Zephyr strike.
Beside that, didnt had any special "Test" of other classes at all

Only played in a campaign Fighter, someday in a close future might try Warlock.

[grand onyx]

Hiiiii

[knotty vine]

I really wanna like warlock its just

I dont think i can make them work personally

[empty thicket]

how so?

[knotty vine]

Just working with 2 "pact slots" mainly

[thorn cobalt]

See, I just enjoy the idea of a caster martial class that doesn't really sacrifice much. Not looking to be over powered, so much as trying to full an aesthetic or character idea.

[austere root]

Play a bladelock or bladesinger wizard and you're set

[empty thicket]

oh that, yeah.... fortunately with some invocations one can kinda compensate some stuff.
Like mage armor for defense or False life for sustain or some other ones
But i get your point, 2 spells per short rest feel... "low"

[austere root]

It's not so bad if your group actually rests

It's nice throwing hypnotic patterns around all day long

[empty thicket]

True, but still 2 spell slots

until lvl 9

[knotty vine]

Two slots is still two slots

[austere root]

8 hypnotic patterns

[knotty vine]

Most dms will give you 2 short rest

[austere root]

Assuming 2 short rests and a prayer of healing

[empty thicket]

the only thing i would say it kinda saves it

[austere root]

9 with magical cunning

[worn crow]

Most games don't even do a single short rest unless the majority of people are decently injured, from experience

[empty thicket]

At lvl 5 the upcast is powerful with some spells

[knotty vine]

thats true

We only did a short rest last time cause our barbarian was hurt

[austere root]

Well I've been in both tables that do single-encounter days and tables where short rests are taken whenever available

[thorn cobalt]

Fair enough. Maybe it's an ocd thing but I wanna have the stats to match the personality for the character I'm going for but I may just be nit-picky.

[austere root]

Bladelocks use charisma for everything including melee

[empty thicket]

and another thing again, Warlock get a lot of spells that he could cast for free

[austere root]

You don't mourn your third spell slot that much when you can swing your greatsword thrice per action

[thorn cobalt]

Oh, sorry, had to fix the wording.

[knotty vine]

I still love that pact of the blade can be taken by the eldritch adapt feat

[empty thicket]

False life, mage armor, levitate, water breating, jump, Alter self, etc. etc.
Even Find familiar

[austere root]

Or, well, eldritch blast is capable of outdamaging martials that don't have good weapons

[knotty vine]

Eldritch blast is a warlock only thing now in 2024

[austere root]

It kind of always was, it hinges heavily on invocations to stand out

[empty thicket]

completely it is?

[knotty vine]

it did a 1d10 of force damage

that makes it good enough

[empty thicket]

no other subclass get it?

[knotty vine]

nothing

[austere root]

That's just okay

[knotty vine]

unless you muticlass into warlock you cant get it in 2024

[empty thicket]

because i thought at first that Hunters mark was an Ranger only thing until i found out that a Paladin subclass get it too

[austere root]

They made warlock stuff far more warlock exclusive which is silly to me. Warlocks are already really good in 24, no need to lock bards out of warlock spells.

[empty thicket]

1d10 force + Charisma

[knotty vine]

eldritch adapt is right there

Now any class can take pact of the blade tome of chain for free

[austere root]

Okay, does that give my lore bard hadar?

[austere root]

An entire feat is the furthest thing from "free"

[knotty vine]

I mean being able to attack with chirsma is pretty good

[austere root]

It is

[empty thicket]

2014¿? im not finding it in 24

[knotty vine]

It got nerfed like the magic innate feats

[austere root]

But I cannot think of a class that would use charisma melee and wouldn't rather dip warlock since lv1 lock gets a lot more than 1 invoc

[knotty vine]

Most games allow you to use old stuff if it haesnt been made in 2024

[austere root]

Like I guess bard would rush to lv10? But if a campaign ends at lv10 you're already barely going to be able to use it at all

[empty thicket]

being able to attack with your important stat it is, another thing that i feel Bladesinger add and.... i dont like it at all

[austere root]

gishes being multiple attribute dependent sucks because cantrips are right there and arguably much better than weapons

[knotty vine]

Warlock stuff being exlusive is kinda funny ngl

[empty thicket]

Epic, but yeah, Eldritch blast is good and it scale giga good
At lvl 5 being able to do 2d10 + charisma

Welp, in theory Metamagic would be only a sorc thing too

but there a feat that give you some of it

[austere root]

Metamagic adept is so bad

[knotty vine]

But the same could be said about sorcerer as well

How is meta magic adept bad?

[austere root]

1 or 2 uses a day depending on what metamagic is so little out of a rare oppurtunity you will probably get 2 of

I would much rather have a feat that will impact my entire day more

[knotty vine]

on a sorcerer thats pretty strong

[austere root]

It is much better on a sorcerer than it is on anyone else yeah

[knotty vine]

your pretty much doubling the amount of options you have

[austere root]

But say, for a wizard, it's quite disappointingly little

[knotty vine]

Then dont use it for wizard?

[austere root]

Uh, okay?

[knotty vine]

Wizard can pretty much remake all meta magic options besides hightened spell

Or subtle

[austere root]

So the "taste of sorcerer" feat goes on the sorcerer and it's sort of whatever on any other caster

That's a little disappointing

[knotty vine]

Theres a few decent options

[austere root]

I would like the 2 sp to refresh on a short rest or something, then it could impact the caster's life more

[knotty vine]

Transmuted Spell subtle Heightened Spell Extended Spell

Careful if you wanna avoid blowing up your teammates

[feral fulcrum]

If you really want Meta Magic that badly, you're better off just Multi-classing

[knotty vine]

Or that

[austere root]

Transmuted can synergize with Tempest domain at least

[knotty vine]

Or bypassing resistance

[austere root]

You're not bypassing much resistance with 2/day

[worn crow]

I feel like a decent bit of "initiate" feats are kinda better on their full class since it just amplifies the original class

[knotty vine]

a fireball and some elbow grease is all you need

Thats like two thunder balls

[austere root]

Metamagic isn't something casters want that desperately either, so the feat is undertuned just because. Even sorcerers can be better off creating spell slots.

It depends on how long the adventuring days are.

[knotty vine]

Saying a feat is bad because how long the adventuring days are seems disingenuous

[austere root]

That's not what I said at all

[frail wasp]

yeah, if anything, it should depend on how far you have to walk

[knotty vine]

Good one

[austere root]

I said, "metamagic isn't some godly caster-elevating superpower, it's just situationally good, so the feat has no business being this limited"

[knotty vine]

Not everything should be game breakly good

[austere root]

Being able to cast your strongest spells more times per day can be worth more than using metamagic, it depends

[feral fulcrum]

The feat has every reason to be limited because if it's too strong...well great, you've basically Multi-classed without multiclassing

[knotty vine]

Yeah and thats just

through i do wish Transmuted applied to more then just spells

[feral fulcrum]

It'd be like if Fighting INiate just randomly gave you all the profficiencys of All Weapons and All Armor, and Edlritch Adept gave you a Pact and multiple invocations. Obviously just way too busted.

[austere root]

The risk's not that high because metamagic isn't that strong, a third sorcery point isn't making sorcerers obsolete or a wizard/cleric/whatever prioritise this feat

[rugged hawk]

Someone wants to multi just for Metamagic, I say slap 'em with the good ol' multi exp penalty

[knotty vine]

Not the multi exp

[austere root]

No need to kick them when they're (jumping on the ground) down

[knotty vine]

saying "meta magic isnt that strong" sounds like someone has never played with meta magic

[austere root]

I play the hell out of sorcerers, Tasha.

[knotty vine]

Dont get me wrong its not broken by any means but the ability to just change spells just because sounds pretty strong

[frail wasp]

Theory and Practice sometimes differ

[knotty vine]

sorcerers in practce feel stronger then wizard in 2024

maybe thats because i havent seen some of the wacky and wild things wizard can do

[feral fulcrum]

Sorcerors are able to wider things with their general kit, while Wizards Specialize

And Expect Wizards to only get stronger with time as more things get added to their spell lists

as new books are produced

[knotty vine]

Wizard getting stronger with time is just.. so on character

[frail wasp]

the lack of chronurgy sorcerer is indeed distressing

[knotty vine]

But the strongest(ish) that came from 2024 is the viper one

[austere root]

Heightened is the best by far, being able to land a single crippling cc spell is great. The rest I don't have that much good to say about, twinned is like a really discounted upcast sometimes but I usually finished adventuring days with close to 0 in both sp and spell slots.

Quickened I used to pretend to be a rogue.

[feral fulcrum]

I still say that one is actually overhyped

Because Immunity to Poisoned is a free spot on the bingo card

[knotty vine]

Extended giving you advantage on con saves to maintain the spell

[feral fulcrum]

They're continuing the trend of everyone and everything being immune to poison 🙁

[knotty vine]

I chessed strhad via that spell put some respect on its name

[austere root]

This one's good if you're skipping war caster for some reason. I would never, it's too good, and if I'm playing a sorc I'm probably intending to be the CC bot with heightened so I cannot pass up on it.

[feral fulcrum]

That washed up Vampire mook?

[knotty vine]

Not every one wants to take war caster?

Theres also careful

[austere root]

People can do whatever they want, it's none of my business

[knotty vine]

Using fireball at my feat and taking no damage is fun

[austere root]

Careful's usually my 2nd choice at lv4

Heightened-extended until lv4 and then heightened-careful from thereafter

[knotty vine]

I wonder how the balance would be effect if i added two more arms to my thri kreen

[frail wasp]

more arms generally helps with balance

[knotty vine]

These puns will be the death of me

[hidden spindle]

That'd make a Four Kreen & they're the spiders kin

[silk hare]

what would a fey use to insult people not from the feywild/ to mock them in your guys' opinion?

[knotty vine]

Thats what i was going for

I wanted a more spider like thri kreen

[feral fulcrum]

That'd be stepping on the spider- monsters turf

Neogi

(And I hate spiders and Neogi)

They're also stemming all the way from 1E, so, little late to make them randomly more like spiders

[frail wasp]

could give em innate spellcasting, give em an intuitive instinct at manipulating the weave

[knotty vine]

The centaur but spider people (i forgot the name)

[frail wasp]

drider

[feral fulcrum]

Lolth's rejects

[knotty vine]

Yeah them

[empty thicket]

Commoner sound pretty denigrating coming from a Fey, but i didnt encountered any yet so idk

[honest marlin]

Does anyone have a game in which they’re missing a player? I really wanna get into dnd but none of my friends play

I know all the basics and have done like 2 campaigns, I’m beginner but know the rules and pick up quickly so you won’t have to explain much to me, I just really wanna play

[empty thicket]

you can check in #find-a-game if you want and maybe you can find something

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[honest marlin]

Okay, thanks

Sorry

[empty thicket]

for asking? Dont be.

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah it happens every day, you're good.

[woven flint]

Timomamimaimaimo-moth :>

[mighty wharf]

What's the best battle map simulator for DnD?

[rugged hawk]

Neverwinter Nights 1 (or 2), obviously ||/s||

[mighty wharf]

That's not what I mean

I don't mean a game, I mean like an online battle map that I can add like characters and enemies to

[rugged hawk]

That's what I said, yes

[fossil hollow]

cla- warofrged death

[rugged hawk]

Because they're multiplayer, online, and have a Creation Engine to make your own maps and place enemies and players

[woven flint]

If you kill Sentry
I'm bringing in a Barbarian

[mighty wharf]

"Neverwinter Nights is a series of video games developed by BioWare and Obsidian Entertainment, based on the Forgotten Realms campaign setting of the Dungeons & Dragons role-playing game. Aside from also being set around the city Neverwinter, it is unrelated to both the 1991 Neverwinter Nights online game and the 2013 online game called Neverwinter." IT'S A GAME

[woven flint]

or a Monk

[rugged hawk]

Yes, a game with a complete world/map builder, creature creator, DM controls, and supports up to 64 player characters.

[hot marlin]

Mate, Echo was being sarcastic

Ironic more than sarcastic. Cheeky even

Cheeky is the best word.

[rugged hawk]

I was being half sarcastic. The whole reason NWN is still around at all is because it's so completely customizable.

Also still being used for entire online multiplayer DnD campaigns, not just separate battles.

That said, on a more serious note, everyone would need a copy and actually creating maps and creatures takes time, so there's technically better tools if you don't want to run the combat in near real time

[versed pollen]

Why is there no "phasing" through objects in d&d aside from etherealness which is travelling to a different plane entirely not just phasing while on the same plane.

[fossil hollow]

Incorporeal Undead:

[west timber]

I think my favorite thing about the Spellfire Sorcerer is giving Sorcers a Pure Magic subclass option that isn't Wild Magic

[fossil hollow]

Theres also the capstone of the Shadow Sorceror and Phantom Rogue

[mighty wharf]

What are the better tools?

[rugged hawk]

I mean, DnDB's got a decent map, I feel like.

There's others too, obviously, but I don't use anything but NWN and DNDB

[feral fulcrum]

Blink does it as well. And it's because all such travel is done magically, by shifting into the Material plane. There's also Merge with Stone technically.

[karmic junco]

Just did a court session with my players for the first time! It was their favorite one yet haha

[feral fulcrum]

Objection, on the account that everyone in the Trial failed to roleplay it as Ace Attornery.

[crimson gulch]

overruled, none of them were Sam reigal

[mighty wharf]

Blink would be "etherealness" by their definition I think. They're looking for something more like Incorporeal Form I imagine

Gaseous Form is the closest I know of off the top of my head.

[empty thicket]

there is a ranger spell that let you go through stone so... its the closest you will gate

[feral fulcrum]

I think they were referencing Etherealness, which is an actual spell

Rather then...you know, being Ethereal

...Spell or Horizon Walker feature

[mighty wharf]

They explicitly said "without planar travel"

[hot marlin]

It's a strange question you're asking, the more I think about it. "Why is there not X" is a lot harder to answer than "Why is there Y". The simple truth is that it's because nobody added an ability to phase through without shifting to a different plane.

Of course I could say it's a matter of narrative logic, that this is how that universe works and that the logic of "phasing" generally involves transferring matter to another dimension temporarily, but that would not be very meaningful since all it takes for that explanation to crumble is for someone to add a feature that does it

And then we get the same problem with all questions that start with "why". They assume the next part of the question is true when it is not. Incorporeal undead, as mentioned by Ti, gaseous form, as mentioned by Dead Bunny, and polymorphing into a creature with that ability are all here.

As my dear old Grandma used to say "Never ask why, why implies a reason, a logic, a will and a truth. It is an acceptance of the lie that truth exists and that beings have reason. Existence is about murdering reason, truth and will and showing that logic is an illusion"

Granny Incubus could be a bit extreme though

[tall cliff]

I think this is a good question for general discussion. When it comes to pure survival… is a higher AC or more hit points better? I would assume the better AC right?

[normal canyon]

Depends on how combats go

[hot marlin]

A higher AC than what? More hit points than what?

[tall cliff]

Well? I guess I’m looking for where those lines exist?

[normal canyon]

If there’s a bunch of like aoe things and stuff that don’t use attack rolls, then probably more hp is better

[undone bloom]

if you can only have one or the other, prioritize HP

[hot marlin]

In theory, AC only protects you from attacks, while hit points protect you from almost anything.

[empty thicket]

Hp tend to be a general safety
Ac Protect you from a bunch of types of damages, but not all of them

[hot marlin]

But this varies heavily. Over-reliance on HP to the detriment of AC is the reason why many barbarians are often the first to die

[tall cliff]

Let’s say I build a Goliath. I could build one that reaches a 19 armor class pretty quickly. But I could also build one that starts stacking hit points quick too.

[empty thicket]

Ac is good against BPS
Hp against any kind of damage

[normal canyon]

I can make one that reaches 21 AC by level 1.

[tall cliff]

Right. You could get a crazy high AC super quick. Using standard array.

[undone bloom]

you may want #optimization tbh

the optimizers are good at this stuff

[tall cliff]

Well, I’m just looking more for what is better win

[hot marlin]

At the end of the day, you want both. You want your AC to be high and you want your HP to be high. And you want your saving throws to be high.

[undone bloom]

yea that's what optimizing is

[hot marlin]

And there aren't really many situations where you'll have to make a choice. You can, and should, aim for all that

[empty thicket]

Welp, both are good
A paladin get HP and capacity of getting lots of AC for heavy armors
A bladesinger get lots of AC but low HP, making him weak against some type of damage//actions
A barbarian get tons of HP and the rage help to survive

[tall cliff]

Oh I thought that was just when you have a build or are making a character. I’m just learning a bit

[undone bloom]

nw, #optimization is basically "what's the best way to build [x]?"

[hot marlin]

And there is also the matter of the situation!

[undone bloom]

so if you're looking for a high-AC level 1 build, for example, they know whassup

[hot marlin]

Consider: A character with a 100 HP but 12 AC, surrounded by twenty goblins. A character with 23 AC but 30 HP surrounded by twenty goblins. Who is more likely to win?

[tall cliff]

Ah

[undone bloom]

on average, the 12 AC

[stiff rock]

With starting equipment? I'm interested in how

[hot marlin]

OK maybe I made the hit points of the second too low

Here, changed it to 30

[undone bloom]

yea i think to hit 23 AC, a goblin would have to crit, and that's like one- to two-hit range

with 30 HP? probably 23 AC

[empty thicket]

if the goblin weapons only give them a +2 in rolls, then the 23ac is immortal
But if they can get any buff to get that number to at least 23//24 you would die of 2 hits
Still the 23 AC cant do nothing if they surround him and start grappling
The Hp would take more hits but that, WOULD take more hits

[undone bloom]

23 AC is just a 1/20 chance to hit, but that hit deals big damage

[hot marlin]

You get my point. Against a horde of smaller opponents that use attack rolls, higher AC is preferable.

Bad example, I know

[undone bloom]

nah, good example

[empty thicket]

yeah yeah, got it completely

[undone bloom]

but if we go off the baseline of modules, higher HP runs better

[woven flint]

Playing more of my Warforged tonight 🧐

[undone bloom]

what is your Warforged made of, Mr. Fool?

[stiff rock]

war..

[undone bloom]

no that's just what you forge em in

gotta manufacture em first

[woven flint]

He's made of metal.
Specifically Adamantine :>

[empty thicket]

but you get mine too, it depend of a lot more stuff
Isnt only that in DnD
23ac 12hp sound like a bladesinger, aka, would use shield//levitate//etc. to help survival
12ac 100hp sound like a barbarian so it get Rage making him hard to kill for some time
Both get a "temporal buff", both can die

[undone bloom]

a Warforged named Adam N. Tine

[woven flint]

(He's immune to crits because He's got the Juggernaut feat for Warforged from exploring eberron)

His name is Sentry and he's a Dog & Hound Pugilist, his Dog is named Vigil (short for Vigilance)

[undone bloom]

Sentry & Vigil is very good

[woven flint]

Aye, its an Eberron campaign
he was part of a group known as the Sentinel Marshals (basically cross-country lawbringers)

[feral fulcrum]

Huzzah, first combat since I've got it, and immediate crit in the opener to break out Cohort of Chaos

[stiff rock]

i'd love to see a peaceforged one day, just an automaton who has never seen an ounce of violence

[woven flint]

My Warforged doesn't really kill people

He prefers to apprehend

[undone bloom]

i made a Peaceforged once! he was a gambler who gambled everything he owned away, even his body

[stiff rock]

This reminds me that my first time ever playing my newest warlock i got one-shot by a lucky crit from a shapechanger

[stiff rock]

That's a really cool concept!!

[hot marlin]

Yes, of course, plenty of factors at play. Eventually the point I was getting at is that the question itself is flawed

[undone bloom]

he ended up getting Robocop'd and working secretly for the villain corp before we found out there was a second bigger villain

[stiff rock]

Only warforged i've ever played with was a mining bot who rebelled against its owners

[woven flint]

Sentry is one of my two warforged I played
The other one was an Armorer Artificer named Vanguard

[empty thicket]

Indeed, both options are good but depend if the scenario is good for those options

[woven flint]

Sentry and Vanguard are both punchy boys

[hot marlin]

The opposite of my first example is those same two characters, but this time confronted with a wizard that mostly blasts cloud of dagger at them

[undone bloom]

i wanna make a warforged artificer who attune to a bunch of symbiotic items to "feel humanoid"

[stiff rock]

I love the idea of them just being named after whatever purpose they served lol

[stiff rock]

Hand of vecna warforged ❓

[undone bloom]

nah, the ones from Eberron

[fossil hollow]

THose ones you meet in Eberron

[undone bloom]

i will never not build a character who would punch Vecna or die trying

[woven flint]

Yep, Sentry is a Bodyguard and was a former officer
Vangaurd was a frontliner soldier and the first on the frontlines like, always

[undone bloom]

he stole my wife in Eve of Ruin

[stiff rock]

I've never gone near eberron lol, forgive me if i'm confused

[hot marlin]

I am still, like, 60% convinced the writer of Eve of Ruin was actually Vecna

[undone bloom]

i haven't finished playing it yet, but i'm enjoying it so far

[crimson gulch]

Sweet, a heavy metal band just gave me permission to use their album art to promote a dnd campaign

[undone bloom]

though my GM did say he's been making some changes along the way

[stiff rock]

I'm yet to find a group to play through eve of ruin with

[undone bloom]

(apparently, Vecna does not steal your wife in the module)

[crimson gulch]

Eve of ruin was fun

[crimson gulch]

A module book Is a skeleton of a campaign and its up to the dm to animate it

[empty thicket]

a party that is a metal band that must travel around the world doing concerts (Saving towns)

[woven flint]

I truly believe that Vecna is 100% gay for Kas even if they want to kill eachother now

[crimson gulch]

Nah, the sick metal album cover is the bad guy

[undone bloom]

actually, full theft list:
• my wife and left eye
• the cleric's boyfriend
• the pallylock's ability to be the monarch of his family
• the bardlock's siblings
• the druid's entire order/species

[woven flint]

Skill issue

I'd simply beat Vecnas boney ass

[undone bloom]

oh, and also he broke the Sword of Zariel after the pallylock went on a two-month excursion to Avernus to find it (and using it to kill aforementioned boyfriend)

see, i got to run up and punch him REALLY hard, which is why i lost my eye

[empty thicket]

oh....
I wanted the party//band being
Barb = Drums
Bard = singer
Fighter = Guitar
Warlock = bass
Wizard = keyboard

oh true, a bass

[crimson gulch]

Nah its just sick art, it's not actually a musical campaign

[woven flint]

Wizard is the Keyboard player
its the nerdiest instrument of all

[undone bloom]

keyboard is the spellcasting of music

[empty thicket]

Anything from that list is the spellcaster of music, had to play around

[empty thicket]

know, im just rambling a bit

[undone bloom]

i think playing keyboard is genuinely magic. piano is like... ancient incantations

[empty thicket]

i think a lot of instruments could fit in such thing
I heard people play the guitar in such ways that make them sing for themselves

[copper merlin]

Hey, can.. someone give me some tips/pointers on making a proper horror campaign?

[obtuse stratus]

#dm-discussion or #dm-world-building

[copper merlin]

Oh shoot right

[lucid reef]

Where do I talk about Unearthed Arcana stuff

[undone bloom]

#1026901431132885064

[lucid reef]

Thank you

[final goblet]

just discovered one of my fellow players might be transphobic. They said something along the lines of "you can be gay/lesbian/trans or whatever, just dont do it in front of me"

GOD DAMN IT

[worn crow]

Ouuuch

[undone bloom]

does the GM know? that player should be removed immediately

[worn crow]

Yeaaaah that is not someone you want around

[limber trail]

Yeah that’s pretty rough to hear

Something like that is an automatic removal from my games

[severe rampart]

Agreed

[worn crow]

Before we left a game because of that attitude, me and my friend(The DM and two other players were the homo/transphobes) were committed to our characters being as gay as possible just to spite them

[final goblet]

iirc he knows but ill confront the group about it when the session ends

[worn crow]

Though we did stupidly think we'd be able to change their minds, at least a little, but we did leave that game

[undone bloom]

if he knows, then he's either complacent or agrees. probably not a worthwhile table tbh

[final goblet]

until then all I can do is sit in bitter silence until it ends

sucks cause we just got to level 12

[limber trail]

It’s up to you but it might be better to start by just talking privately to the DM as a start.

[final goblet]

the dm has known this player longer than hes known me so I doubt anything will change

[austere root]

If the player and dm/others are friends and any of them is lgbt it might be an inside joke you're unaware of or smth, best to ask

[limber trail]

If nothing will change then I would just leave, a confrontation will just upset you

[final goblet]

no they're both straight from what i know

[austere root]

Oh then they're sus

[obtuse stratus]

I'd talk to the other players

[limber trail]

With online groups, the GM is usually the tone setter. If they endorse this behaviour, your other players probably will too.

[undone bloom]

yeah, if the GM is complacent, then it's best to leave. it's only gonna enable that phobe and make your time worse

[crimson gulch]

thats fantatic news, when someone tells you how bad of a person they are, its easyer to react accordingly, when folks hide it its hard to confront and deal with

[undone bloom]

silver lining i guess

[obtuse stratus]

Hey for all we know the other players go with you, ditch the DM, then you can see if you can find a new DM to continue the game if it's a module

[crimson gulch]

the first line of my table rules is "Foster respect. Be respectful of one another in terms of who we are as people, and who we chose to portray in the game."

and that is ESSENTIAL imo

[final goblet]

If I do talk to them I need to find some way to do it withouut crashing out cause that would just make it worse

[undone bloom]

nah, if you can take the emotional stress, crash out. they deserve to be berated for being bad people

[crimson gulch]

Stand firm and hold your ground, dont say things like, "there may be a problem" state that "this is unacceptable"

[severe rampart]

Yeah, exactly, first rule at my table "Members will not antagonize or berate others regarding race, age, sexuality, gender and pronouns, religion (or lack thereof), or any other physiological or ideological characteristics/beliefs."

[severe rampart]

Easier said than done unfortunately

[obtuse stratus]

Much, alas.

[final goblet]

my dm and the player just said "i dont care if you are trans, just dont make it your personality and shove it in my face"

unsure if thats transphobia or not

[undone bloom]

that is blatant transphobia.

[severe rampart]

That's a form of transphobia

[civic notch]

Guys! What's up? Roleplaying with friends and i have a question. If i use stealth and pass it, then a guard is active looking an throws a perception check, can i use second wind on that or it doesn't count?

[crimson gulch]

that is such a rude and unacceptable thing to say to someone in any situation

[severe rampart]

They're acting like it's something to "hide" or to "keep away" when it ain't

[final goblet]

he tried to compare it to bringing up religion every time we played

[broken imp]

wait what i'm confused

[severe rampart]

Not comparable

[undone bloom]

what a piece of shit

[severe rampart]

The LGBTQIA+ community throughout history have been discriminated against, most religions have not

[final goblet]

and they just unironically used the term virtue signaling so yeah they're HELLA transphobic

and everyone is just ok with it somehow

[severe rampart]

Maybe they're too afraid to speak, talk to your other players.

[undone bloom]

time to leave

[civic notch]

Basically, i used stealth with invisible, i passed the checked my DM gave, entered a house, triggered an alarm, guards entered and my DM told me the guard used perception and surpassed my initial stealth roll, so, can i use second wind on that or it's just the first time?

[obtuse stratus]

Gross. Leave the game and don't give it a second thought

[celest sail]

They’re saying that they don’t care but actually that they care because you have to accommodate their discomfort and prejudice by keeping something that’s perfectly normal away from their personal life because they want nothing to do with it

[undone bloom]

nah, it's current year, and they aren't speaking up against transphobia? forget em

[final goblet]

wtf the dm justt told a story where they had a trans employee that didnt tell the dm that they were trans and everyone gave him weird looks every time he misgendered them

AND WHAT THE F ANOTHER PLAYER JUST STRAIGHT UP ADMITTED THEYRE TRANSPHOBIC

[severe rampart]

It's harder to speak up when everyone around you is treating it like it's normal, I mean, even the person telling us about this is also quiet, maybe the other players are the same?

[undone bloom]

nah, this whole party is a garbage fire, block em and find a better group tbh

[sour cave]

Man, I don’t like the new forgotten realms banneret. Think it’s thematically the coolest fighter subclass but it just doesn’t hit in 5e or 5.5

[obtuse stratus]

Horror story moment, jfc

[undone bloom]

if someone is actively being transphobic, and you're just sitting there, you're complacent. either speak up or leave, but staying is admitting you're comfortable with bigotry

[final goblet]

and the weirder part is THEYRE BOTH IN THE TECH INDUSTRY

[severe rampart]

The person telling us about this is clearly uncomfortable, yet they've still not spoken up, so I don't get what you mean, but I'm pretty sure as soon as the session ends they'd leave

[undone bloom]

why wait out the session? they don't deserve your politeness

[severe rampart]

Fair point

[undone bloom]

i'd also assumed that due to how it escalated, that Easiest had brought it up

[final goblet]

im in post session chat rn and im trying not to crash out

[sour cave]

Just leave?

[severe rampart]

Speak out about how you felt uncomfortable maybe? But if they keep being transphobic then I think it's time to leave

[undone bloom]

tell em they're bigoted pieces of shit, leave, and block em. make them feel bad, deny any closure, and keep yourself away from that dumpster fire

[sour cave]

If it’s making you upset don’t spend more effort interacting and just leave.

Easy and simple method I’ve always done

[final goblet]

yeah I just said "enough.", then gave my DM my character sheet to play as an npc, then blocked them

[severe rampart]

Sorry you had to deal with that

[obtuse stratus]

Shouldn't have given them the sheet. But whatever

[severe rampart]

But No DnD is better than Bad DnD

[obtuse stratus]

Forget them

[final goblet]

thats more people in my life that ive found out are anti LGBT (the other being my aunt)

[obtuse stratus]

Honestly I really hate when I find a community like that, but I've never spent THAT long with them

[undone bloom]

no one should have to deal with that. anyone with bigotry in their beliefs in current year is cringe and stupid

[final goblet]

I know when someones being anti lgbt because for like 3 years I had an addiction to watching right wing "critics" (aka grifters) like critical drinker

[obtuse stratus]

I'm sure you can find a more welcoming and decent community

[vestal crow]

is there any spells a ranger can take to pass through walls ?

[simple otter]

Are Devils Intersex? It's said they have no gender, they simply adopt the concept.

I guess Agender suits them better as a term

[fossil hollow]

They just dont really have them

[simple otter]

I know that Cubis, being shapechangers/shifters (whatever the difference is) are Intersex

Especially as 5E makes a point that they can shift freely between the two kinds

[undone bloom]

they aren't intersex, they're shapeshifters

they just make whatever they need to

[simple otter]

Yeah, intersex capabilities

[obtuse stratus]

Whoa. I must have missed that, explains a lot

[simple otter]

It was in the 2014 description for them, back when Sucubi and Incubi were the same stat block

[undone bloom]

that's not what intersex means

maybe you could label them genderfluid

[obtuse stratus]

I said missed XD I was too busy DMing to reread everything

[simple otter]

What would the fitting term for it be? It's sort of like how Asari in Mass Effect are compatible with any partners

[undone bloom]

shapechanger/shapeshifter

[viral kraken]

is shape changing pants business somehow endosex?

[simple otter]

Looked it up, yeah they wouldn't be Endosex

[viral kraken]

i feel like males and females don't usually have that happen, i think intersex definitionally does fit

[simple otter]

Genderfluidity is for sure a subject among Fiends, especially Cubi, but I was asking regarding their biology. Sorry for the confusion

[fossil hollow]

Concubi can be either male or female, in incubus or succubi form

[simple otter]

Concubi? I haven't heard that term

[obtuse stratus]

shapeless mass of essence hunting predator

[simple otter]

I have heard Cubi used officially in the Neverwinter MMO

[cyan jolt]

Out of interest - Do you think there is a feeling, that something feels a little bit too epic? Coming from a DnD Session and I really have no idea how to feel about it xD

[simple otter]

Essence? Is that a 2024 change, I thought they relied on feeding off corrupted souls.

I guess that does act as a form of essence tho

[obtuse stratus]

Six in one half a dozen

[steady sentinel]

Ngl that sounds like something from Yu-Gi-Oh lol

[viral kraken]

you just made me imagine a new dnd cartoon where it's all about the main character using the heart of the dice

[obtuse stratus]

Yes, went into a 12th level 3.5 game with sime Epic template on all characters. Watched someone become PunPun the normal way. Game was too epic

[simple otter]

MY GRANDPA'S DICE JAIL HAS NO CURSED DICE

[steady sentinel]

Pff that'll be epic ngl.

[vague brook]

[cyan jolt]

We are a party of Level 9 Adventures... and due to a scenario of the DM we were in a big battle and we fought at two different frontlines...

The last boss we fought, after we were pretty roughed up when it comes to features and spellslots was a Lesser Star Spawn Emissary which turned into a Greater Star Spawn Emissary... and somehow we won... for whatever reason.

[simple otter]

BTW, the term does indeed come from the MMO. It's handy if you wanna refer to a group or individual of no specific gender!
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Garbs_of_the_cubi

[obtuse stratus]

Sounds like an adventure capstone

[simple otter]

I don't think the term was used before this, so it's a nifty move by the writers of the game to coin it

[cyan jolt]

Never heard of that term. Care to explain?

[viral kraken]

a capstone is the last piece placed in an arch, so the last part of an adventure

[simple otter]

Ahh, yeah Cubi would be Intersex and Devils are GF

I forgot Devils literally can't make new life (through physical means, anyhow)

[obtuse stratus]

Alright hot hands. Respect.

[cyan jolt]

Oh no xD I think we´re somewhat in uh... the middle? The campaign is supposed to go to lv 20.

[viral kraken]

might be too epic then

[broken imp]

ahhh i just dropped in and this sounds ... interesting?

[viral kraken]

but that could be fun

[obtuse stratus]

Been talking about what they would be as far as gender identity

[simple otter]

Cubi (Incubi, Sucubi, etc) are Shapeshifters/changers, ergo they would be considered Intersex creatures with the official 5e lore stating they can be gender fluid

Devils also are noted for their gender fluidity, since they only view it as a social concept IIRC

[obtuse stratus]

Are... are you just justifying a character or NPC decision this whole time?

[simple otter]

No?

I just wanted to ask about it, I love more LGBT+ rep in Fantasy

[viral kraken]

i think this was just a continuation of an earlier topic

[obtuse stratus]

Oh, cus for a second therr this sounded like the answer should have been way simpler.
Also, I got a whole 5e server full of that :3

[simple otter]

Someone was debating that it wouldn't count, they're just shapechangers/shifters so it's not intersex 🤔

[cyan jolt]

Ah sorry I don´t want to interrupt. Continue with whatever you talked about... Oh god... what is this conversation either way?

[hot marlin]

Normally intersex are people whose sexual characteristics do not fit the expected. In the case of Incubi and Succubi, they are completely expected to be shapeshifters able to switch between those forms.

[simple otter]

Discussing intersex and shapeshifters/changers

[simple otter]

I assumed Inter would also apply in nature to beings that share both characteristics (Such as plants!)

[hot marlin]

Incubi and Succubi are simply not humans. They're not even animals. So the concept of intersexuality does not apply

Plants are not intersex, plants are just plants.

[viral kraken]

i feel like that is a lot of gymnastics to get shape shifting to be a normal male or female sexual indicator

[hot marlin]

I don't quite get that sentence

Like, is there a word missing or something?

[simple otter]

Orchids are a fairly common example, it's even one of the symbols used by Intersex Pride

[hot marlin]

Yes, orchids have been used as a symbol. Regardless, orchids are not intersex.

[viral kraken]

na i'm just streets ahead

[cyan jolt]

Ah understood... not that related...but does a simulacrum has a personality?

[simple otter]

STOP TRYING TO COIN THE PHRASE, IT'S NOT GONNA CATCH ON

[viral kraken]

good show

[obtuse stratus]

I believe so. Usually to kill the person trying to abuse it in my games XD

[simple otter]

Once it has spent enough time away from the host, I assume it would

[broken imp]

i feel like shapeshifters have (i think?) not to be shown to reproduce, so does that change anything?
-# oh god what happened to my english right there

[broken imp]

it would take on the host's, i assume

[obtuse stratus]

These ones DEFINITELY reproduce

[hot marlin]

I can think of a few D&D characters who have a shapeshifter in their family tree

[simple otter]

Some have the capability, I'll grab the extract

[simple otter]

The term used isn't intersex in botany, but it is also a dated term so I won't post that here >_>

[woven flint]

Looks at Changelings and Dopplegangers
What?

[broken imp]

oh so they are capable of it...

[severe rampart]

Changelings?

[simple otter]

Fiendish Offspring. Succubi and incubi can reproduce with one another to spawn more of their kind. Less commonly, a succubus or incubus reproduces with a humanoid. From this unholy union, a cambion child is conceived. Invariably, the fiendish offspring is as wicked as its fiendish parent.

[broken imp]

huh mb i forgot about changlings

[hot marlin]

If you're thinking of the same term I am thinking of, I thought it was only offensive when used to talk about humans and is perfectly fine in a botany or zoology context

[simple otter]

All this to say, sure the Cubi can get cheaper Baator Blast drinks during Pride Month

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah but then you have to assume everyone is on that page so let's skip it

[simple otter]

Boomer Paladin that calls Fiends "Baatezu"

[broken imp]

i feel like if they can change gender what about when they're pregnant? change gender/shapeshift and...?

[simple otter]

demiplan

bag of holding, it goes into a safe astral plane demiplane. let's just say that

Also, it would be changing Sex, not Gender

Easy mistake to make, but gender is expression!

[hot reef]

KB has suggested that if a changeling turns into a nonpregnant form while pregnant, the fetus is lost

[hot marlin]

Yeah honestly I'd probably rule it like that

[viral kraken]

did loki stay a horse the whole time he was pregnant?

[hot marlin]

No big deal. If they want to keep the child, they just don't shapeshift until it's ready to come out. If they don't want to keep the child, they have an easy way of getting rid of it

[hot marlin]

Oh, a good excuse to open and check my Prose Edda

[simple otter]

DM, the Horse Discussion is here

[undone bloom]

easy-to-access magical abortion is so unbelievably based

[obtuse stratus]

Look forward to the answer

[severe rampart]

If I recall correctly, yes

[undone bloom]

god i wish i was a shapechanger

[obtuse stratus]

Same.

[severe rampart]

All fun and games till you forget what you look like

[undone bloom]

that is... horrifying

i think i'm in love with your mind

[simple otter]

given the universe has gods that like to intervene, I am going to yet again say the gods funnel those kids into the astral plane then terf them out into Planescape

[hot reef]

Currently playing a character like that in a WM

[viral kraken]

that was a Clayface arc too i think in some batman run

[obtuse stratus]

Just sitting there, eating dinner when your spouse comes in as the Governor, kisses you in the cheek and asks about dinner

[simple otter]

Okay, now here's a real good topic

Can Kuo Toa influence the Stock Market if they believe hard enough

[hot marlin]

Uh. No answer in the Gylfaginning. Let's try another source that might mention this story

[fossil hollow]

lmao

[obtuse stratus]

Can Orkz?

[undone bloom]

the <burble> is over 50,000

[simple otter]

Would they is the answer

[fossil hollow]

wut do orks need stocks for

[simple otter]

^^^^

[obtuse stratus]

Gunz

[fossil hollow]

all you need is dakka

[obtuse stratus]

For da boyz

[fossil hollow]

and teef

[simple otter]

go outside, find thing, make gun

[hot marlin]

And I know that in the Hyndluljod, there is no answer either, it's mostly a short genealogy mention

[obtuse stratus]

Is there a teef stock?

[broken imp]

mb, i guess the demiplane would work, however will the embryo still grow

[broken imp]

wait wtf just happened

[hot marlin]

So I am sorry to say: We have no source that state whether or not Loki stayed in horse form the whole time or just kept the pregnancy going while shapeshifting in other forms

[simple otter]

Maybe it's like a Torrent Seeding thing, where various changelings/shifters are gonna keep proxy incubating

I mean, what's the diff between shapechanger kids

Can you tell???

"They've got your eyes" not for long they don't

[undone bloom]

it's giving kandra

[simple otter]

The Kuo Toa of Water Deep is the story of a Kuo Toa god realising they can hype up the price of Electrum then short it

[obtuse stratus]

Suddenly ancestory has a lot of really bad reviews

[simple otter]

horror story of a shifter's child replacing your own and you can't tell the difference except your kid suddenly actually enjoys sprouts

[obtuse stratus]

Only thing at all, you just think "huh" then you're cowering in fear while your spouse is getting eaten

[simple otter]

Plus your kid inexpicably has charmed immunity when you wanted to Suggest they dress up in a sailor costume for the talent show

[undone bloom]

that's like the old faerie tales about autistic/ADHD kids

[steady sentinel]

Lmao

[simple otter]

Bruh, not all shifters or changers wanna eat you

[obtuse stratus]

All of them?

[simple otter]

Just put them into theatre

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: Some have theorized that the behaviours attributed to "changeling children" were often just neurodivergent behaviours.

So lots of autistic children may have been deemed changelings.

[simple otter]

Dangit, I wanted those cool abilities, now all I have is hyperfixations

[undone bloom]

i wish autism gave me changeling powers

[hot marlin]

And therefore... Maybe abandoned in the forest. So yeah, this story does not have a happy ending.

[fossil hollow]

wolf time

[obtuse stratus]

I got AuDHD, BPD and BP. I feel you so hard right now

[simple otter]

German Story Happy Ending (the story isn't finished)

[hot marlin]

No, children abandoned in the forest don't become werewolves or feral kids. They just die.

[fossil hollow]

by wolf i mean nom nom nom

[simple otter]

Hansel and Gretel is a cautionary tale of CR scaling. Who tf puts two lvl 1 humans against a hag

[obtuse stratus]

Except for Romulus and Remus

[hot marlin]

Oh yeah, probably.

[fossil hollow]

tbf, they gotta be scouts at the least

[simple otter]

lvl 1 ranger, that's not gonna change their chances 😭

[ocean crest]

Hi

I’m doing my first like actual dnd session rn on call with my friends and my friend who’s a first time dm did like a goblin boss on is and they’re way too strong

I almost got one shot by their bow even though I killed like all the goblins

[simple otter]

This is why the DM doesn't play like a player >_>

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah that happens. Hide more, or run away, or use the environment around you to make rocks fall then it dies

[simple otter]

Otherwise you got the Goblins using Drone Strike tactics

[empty thicket]

it happen

[steady sentinel]

Goblin boss with spell True Strike

[ocean crest]

We’re playing on dnd beyond and she just did like a goblin camp for our first mission and didn’t realize some of the enemies were stronger than we were ready for

[obtuse stratus]

Ran myself with a 4 man party against Goblin Arrows. 100% would have died if I used their Cunning Action

[ocean crest]

I think our party can beat it

[empty thicket]

at least he knows now that checking what an enemy do and know if the party can handle it is important

[broken imp]

lol my player decides that fight a beholder at lv3 is a good idea and really tried (i'm running a really modified version of waterdeep: dragon heist)

[simple otter]

There's a CR Calculator that accounts for your party levels/composition on Beyond!

[broken imp]

and they got TPKed in like 3 turns

[simple otter]

It uses the enemies and then your players to determine the difficulty

[ocean crest]

Oh really where is it

[simple otter]

So Normal, Hard, Easy and so on

I'll check

[broken imp]

DO NOT USE IT IT SUCK but mostly because the cr system is poorly made

[simple otter]

Ah, nevermind @

[undone bloom]

the CR calculator is actually very useful

[simple otter]

@ocean crest apparently it's not good

Okay nevermind, 1 to 1 tie

[fossil hollow]

My players didnt even get to Xanathar's Lair until level 5-6

[undone bloom]

you just have to know what power level your players can handle

[knotty vine]

I’m wondering why there’s a a beholder and level 3 in the same sentence

[hot reef]

That’s what the online calculator is used for. Because the base calculation in the DMG sucks

[final goblet]

hey sorry I just kinda disappeared. Got into a conversation with my parents. I still think I should leave the campaign.

[hot reef]

It’s still not perfect of course

[steady sentinel]

Beholder npc actually be pretty dope

[knotty vine]

Beholders are evil so they will most likely wanna kill you

[simple otter]

@ocean crest https://www.dndbeyond.com/%2Fencounter-builder?srsltid=AfmBOootGQVU0Sn2cl9IZ7iXlSc5sUhiM7ErrN4r60yvrf20XyEv5MFj

[rough basalt]

I'm guessing the level 3 attacked Xanathar

[simple otter]

Depends on the Evil

[fossil hollow]

Unless you're Large Luigi

[broken imp]

they use the tp stone at the early sewage hideout area

[knotty vine]

Ha true

[rough basalt]

Large Luigi is evil

[fossil hollow]

no u r

[steady sentinel]

Lmao

[rough basalt]

He got the people of the rock of bral addicted to good food

[obtuse stratus]

There are much better communities out there, trust me. I'm part of one. Just look around and you'll find something

[rough basalt]

A crime truly vile

[knotty vine]

Beholders are the type to “trust no one” so someone mucking about in there lair is a sure fire way to get murdered

[broken imp]

yea and they, obv, died in like 2 turns

[fossil hollow]

you cant just be salty you arent getting it 😭

[simple otter]

Lawful Evil Beholder: I will kill you if there's a profit to be made and I can get away with it
Neutral Evil Beholder: I will kill you since it furthers my goals
Chaotic Evil Beholder: Lmao, I can kill you so I will

[rough basalt]

You underestimate my delusional power

[knotty vine]

There’s no such thing as a chaotic evil beholder

[fossil hollow]

All of them: Im gonna kill you because im racist

[knotty vine]

This

Beholders are also extremely xenophobic

[simple otter]

Something Something, Put A Beholder In Abyss Long Enough and flip halfway through cooking

[knotty vine]

That would be pretty hard with the anti magic eye it has

[broken imp]

lol, also remember, just for this campaign
Xanathar Beholder: I will kill you because it's fun and WAIT WHAT YOU TOUCHED MY PET FISH I SHALL CAST TO TO HELL FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY AND TORTURE YOU FOREVER FOR THIS HIDEOUS SIN YOU'VE COMMITTED

[simple otter]

True, so you toss it in a layer of the abyss where it won't work

[fossil hollow]

Oh my party had to deal with the fish

[simple otter]

There's infinite layers, there has to be one where it doesn't

[severe rampart]

Did they win

[knotty vine]

Pretty sure that works in every layer of the abyss

[fossil hollow]

They were able to keep it alive

[severe rampart]

cast Revivify on the fish

[simple otter]

You won't know till you try every layer, at which point anything not a Mordon would go insane and Chaotic

[obtuse stratus]

So you're telling me a beholder can not dream up a chaotic evil beholder?

[broken imp]

my party asked if they could eat the fish xD

[knotty vine]

Also you can’t choose which layer of the abyss it goes to last time I checked

[simple otter]

Imagine a Devil having to catalogue every Abyss Layer

[rough basalt]

Good luck cause there's infinite

[knotty vine]

The gaping maw just chilling down there

[rough basalt]

All the noted ones are just the important ones

[simple otter]

An infinite number of lemures are given an infinite number of those recording crystal things

[rough basalt]

Like the Demonweb Pits. Birthplace of Misandry.
Or Grazzts layer of sin.

[knotty vine]

Through the kind of big bad of the abyss only being cr 22 is kinda disappointing

[hot marlin]

Actually it's a misunderstanding of a little quirk of the latin language. Every source says a "lupa" nursed them. Lupa is indeed the feminine form of lupus, wolf. Buuuut... To talk about an actual female wolf, latin writers say "lupus femina". "Lupa" is a polite euphemism for a working woman. So latin audiences, at least the adults, understood perfectly well that it was not an actual wolf, but a lady of the night.

[knotty vine]

I had a kid with that guy

[simple otter]

The birthplace of Misandry, implying there's a birthplace of misogyny

[fossil hollow]

See Tasha's adoptive Demon Lord brother

[knotty vine]

She also had a vampire daughter for whatever reason

[obtuse stratus]

Appreciated.

[simple otter]

You can't choose your family, but you can Banish them

[rough basalt]

Birthplace of Misogyny is probably Nessus

[simple otter]

Asmodeus would never, has to have been a different fiend that was there for that

[rough basalt]

Nah it was him

He grew out of his misogyny tho

[simple otter]

😩

Ukelele apology video

TBH, most of D&D grew out of misogyny

[broken imp]

ah Asmodeus my beloved, my dear party is new to dnd and thought it'd be fun to try to summon him

[rough basalt]

Lolth can't seem to grow out of misandry tho

[simple otter]

"you have reached the Summon Asmodeus magical wayline. You are 20,354 in line. An Erinyes has been sent to help you stay in line till the end, we appreciate your patience but we also appreciate your soul more"

[rough basalt]

She needs to grow up

[simple otter]

It's her brand

[broken imp]

lol fr wait i should totally try this

[simple otter]

Given what we know of Heroes, Asmodeus probably would hook them up with Hellfire Weapons and then plead innocent on the technicality that "Hey, I gave them BETTER weapons like they asked" @broken imp

[ocean crest]

ok we killed it

[broken imp]

xD it's like how they got a ring of invisibility, but only the ring turns invisible

[ocean crest]

I chucked a javelin at it and then my friend finished it off

[final goblet]

If I find someone like that for like a one shot or something, I'm rolling up a plasmoid/changeling to spite them

[simple otter]

"They glow slightly in the dark, they can fight ghosts like they needed, I just didn't tell them it sends the souls to Avernus! And, to be honest, I expect some form of counterbalance to a free weapon"

[knotty vine]

Shoot it with your i cross bow Steve

[simple otter]

I feel that's a Demon thing

Demons give you things that'll get you eventually killed

[obtuse stratus]

Don't give them the time of day.

[knotty vine]

I thought demons just killed out right

[simple otter]

Devils give you things that eventually you're dependant on and you need more even though it's toxically ruining your life

[knotty vine]

Since they wanna destroy everything

[simple otter]

Gotta get a magic circle and the basically bully them iirc

then*

[rough basalt]

Some powerful demons that are more intelligent will do similar things to devils for fun

Since they don't have to honor deals or have to find loopholes like devils do

[knotty vine]

Gnolls are fiends in the new book which makes a lot more sense

[simple otter]

No longer Demons?

[obtuse stratus]

I liked it before the edit.

[knotty vine]

They were humanoids in the 2014 MM

[simple otter]

Ah

I thought they were forced to be demons and shi

[knotty vine]

Kinda but dnd was still scared of making stuff not humanoid

[rough basalt]

They've always been demons in a sense.

[simple otter]

They CE or Typically CE? @knotty vine

[knotty vine]

They more or less have the essence of a demon

[broken imp]

they want ur soul cause it's tasty or smt
/j

[knotty vine]

Demonic Origin. The origin of the gnolls traces back to a time when the demon lord Yeenoghu found his way to the Material Plane and ran amok. Packs of ordinary hyenas followed in his wake, scavenging the demon lord’s kills. Those hyenas were transformed into the first gnolls, parading after Yeenoghu until he was banished back to the Abyss. The gnolls then scattered across the face of the world, a dire reminder of demonic power.

Basic rules 2014

[simple otter]

Calling a Maralith typically CE so I can justify them having football matches VS Erinyes teams during Pelormas

During Lolthmas

[fossil hollow]

Mommy snake demon

[knotty vine]

I love this flavor text
Thirst for Blood. No goodness or compassion resides in the heart of a gnoll. Like a demon, it lacks anything resembling a conscience, and can’t be taught or coerced to put aside its destructive tendencies. The gnolls’ frenzied bloodlust makes them an enemy to all, and when they lack a common foe, they fight among themselves. Even the most savage orcs avoid allying with gnolls.

[simple otter]

spritz with holy water WE DON'T SAY THAT PART

[limber trail]

where where where where

[fossil hollow]

but its the truth

[simple otter]

WE DON'T SAY IT

[severe rampart]

Tell me more

[knotty vine]

He aint wrong

[fossil hollow]

2014 Marilith, the one thing I dont like about the 2024 monster manual

[simple otter]

I know

[knotty vine]

They DIDNT

[fossil hollow]

2024 Marilith is an ugly stone guy

no more mommy snake demon

[knotty vine]

How could they..

[simple otter]

They can still be the 2014 version, but the guys are ugly ones

Just say a Demon Lord prefers that design

[fossil hollow]

Grazzt

the only good thing about him is his company

[knotty vine]

I prefer the 4e tasha rather then the 5e tasha ngl

Art wise at least

[limber trail]

how could they do this to me

[fossil hollow]

you have not read through ||WItchlight then for peak Tasha art||

[limber trail]

I really should read that book. I'm running a game with Tasha in it on Tuesday.

[knotty vine]

I agree with that but again my pfp is the 4e tasha

[broken imp]

oh yea i'm part of that campaign rn

and making our dm kinda mad

[obtuse stratus]

JFC just remove it at that point 🙁

[fossil hollow]

lmao

[knotty vine]

also not to mention witchlight isnt tasha its ||iggwilv||

[fossil hollow]

we stan the 2014 marilith

[fossil hollow]

theres art of her that isnt ||igg||

[simple otter]

No, I don't care if you have canon of Belial being super cool and suave. Belial isMr Incredible in the Insurance Firm and Fierna is that one office worker who invites everyone to the kareoke bar with no paid sick day if they get hungover.

[fossil hollow]

Bel is peak

[knotty vine]

Ehh still not a big fan of it

[simple otter]

Not Bel, Belial

[knotty vine]

Also why did the nerf the Marilith so heaviliy?

[simple otter]

Bel is the misogynist that hates Girlboss Zariel

[simple otter]

2014 maralith is a miniboss

3 attacks, reactions and fast af

[knotty vine]

2014 has 7 attacks

6 swords and 1 auto restrain

[simple otter]

Where's the Descent to Avernus homebrew where you have to participate in the Avernus Elections

[knotty vine]

the sword in 2014 do 2d8+4 compared to 1d10+5

[fossil hollow]

Eh, i can see why though

[obtuse stratus]

BECMI.

[fossil hollow]

Imagine abandoning your best friend with no memories

[knotty vine]

The same DC on the tail was also nerfed down from 19 to 14

[fossil hollow]

all alone in the hells

With nobody to protect her

[knotty vine]

it did it slightly more hp but less ac

[simple otter]

We talking the elephant

the elephant in the hells

[fossil hollow]

Lululemon yes

[simple otter]

"address me"

[fossil hollow]

LMAO

But yeah, how dare she abandon Lululemon

[knotty vine]

Lulu will be fine

[simple otter]

Zariel got amnesia when she got that cueball

She forgor

[knotty vine]

shes a devil slayer after all

[simple otter]

Eh tu, bleh >_<

[knotty vine]

or something

[fossil hollow]

eto, bleh

[obtuse stratus]

Did you mean Et Tu Brute?

[fossil hollow]

god i wish i can send memes

[knotty vine]

The demogorgon has to be one of my favorite monsters in dnd

Not the fiend the giant

[fossil hollow]

Nah, the anime meme of the girl going "Eto... bleh!"

[knotty vine]

"The demogorgon"

[fossil hollow]

Imagine being named Emmanuel and Hebediah

[knotty vine]

Btw Ti what do you think of the new chain feats that might join us in dnd 5.5e

[fossil hollow]

Ive already made 2 feat trees

well, 1 and a half

[simple otter]

But yeah

Zariel "50 50 gender equality will win us the Styx Skirmishes"
Bel "The heads on my belt have more right to rule avernus than her"
Mahadi "We need to build a bigger bazzar, I don't even want to win I just like free advertising"
The Mane the Demons SOMEHOW got into the running "WAAAAAAAAA"
The Party's Bard "Dont you worry about blank, let me worry about blank"

[knotty vine]

I honeslty forgot that Bigby's had chain feats of its own with the giant feats

[simple otter]

Who will you vote into the seat Avernus?

[knotty vine]

Tiamat

[fossil hollow]

Tiamat.

[obtuse stratus]

Bahamut

[fossil hollow]

Im going to be Arkhan's Vice President

[simple otter]

TIAMAT CAN'T, SHE IS 5 DIFFERENT PEOPLE

[knotty vine]

She still lives in Avernus

[simple otter]

Only 1 head can win the seat

[knotty vine]

Tiamat just has 5 heads she isnt 5 people

[simple otter]

You know damn well the Devils would claim that's still an issue

[knotty vine]

Thats like saying the hydra is more then one person

[obtuse stratus]

Head 4: "Tell that to head 3"

[simple otter]

She's 5 different minds about the same issue!