dnd-discussion

[cobalt escarp]

you shouldnt be banned for that then, the other girl is being too sensetive.

[woven flint]

But, also, things should've been handled a little more delicately
The person could've approached you after session and said

"Hey, my cousin is Deaf and you playing a Deaf character makes me a little uncomfortable because , etc"

[true whale]

I rephrased that because I said that in a way that suggests deaf people don’t have goals to begin with :/

[stable kiln]

thats like trying to play a blind character and someone getting upset because "you're not blind" Yeah...i know, Im larping

[loud tendon]

I would definitely not say " you are good" here.. there is a failing on 3 sides. The DM for not establishing possible triggers for his players and handling the reaction a bit better. The player for creating a character with a disability as a gimic then basically forcing the rest of the group to comply with it.. (rolling to intimidate your group members to get what your character wants is a little shitty).
The reacting player for coming in hot with her concerns.. granted we are getting one sides take "irrationally mad" when they could have been trying to say something or been worse.

[fossil shuttle]

Giving "I have black friends and this is offensive"

[true whale]

It reminds me of that one comedian

[jolly canyon]

I'm with Calamity Jayn here

[fossil shuttle]

... Which one?

[tired rune]

I was newly 12 and my mom just got me a bunch of the books and I was extremely excited for my first session and that happened and it made me throw out the books and I haven't played in 6 years

[loud tendon]

we don't know that girl's relationship with her cousin, perhaps people teased or took advantage of them and she has seen how it hurts them. Not everything is cool because "it's roleplay". it should still be done with tact

[cobalt escarp]

imo if youre not part of a minority, you dont speak on their behalf (except for odvious stuff)

[kind torrent]

I don't think making a character with a disability is wrong, it doesn't have to be that deep. I think if the other girl was offended, she should've talked to this person in private and solved it calmly

You can't read other people's minds

[woven flint]

But also this Is completely true as well

[loud tendon]

I didn't say it was entirely wrong. I said all 3 components could have done things better.

When people make these character narrative choices, they have to take into account how it might be perceived by others.

[lyric viper]

Making a character with a disability is perfectly fine, but if not your own experience can be easy to accidently misportray or turn into a gimmic.
Folk can bring up their concerns for such.

[glossy otter]

Imo if I may say on the subject, if it's done tastefully I think it can also be a good researching point to help understand the disability and see it from their standpoint

[tired rune]

I myself am hard of hearing that's why I know ASL I just wanted my struggles with that language to be in my character

[lyric viper]

Communication is a key skill at a table, and discussing these issues is something to learn.

[glossy otter]

So if anything, it could also be a compliment from a perspective

[stable kiln]

can't make a gambling character if you dont gave a gambling addiction

[kind torrent]

I can see that angle. I do think though that since this is a roleplaying game, you should be able to roleplay a deaf character for example. The offended party should be the one to step forward and calmly address it imo

[lyric viper]

This sounds like an unfortunate issue that could have been resolved a lot better.

[woven flint]

Jokes on you, I'm a Chronic Gambler

I gamble my happiness everytime I wake up 😎 /silly

[stable kiln]

how it be sometimes

[jolly canyon]

Agreed.

[kind torrent]

I think that if you go crazy and aggressive instead of being calm while addressing an issue, it's impossible to resolve the issues you have

So I understand the ban

[glossy otter]

I feel this ironically goes into playing characters who aren't of the sort as yourself. It can work if done well, otherwise it could go horribly

[woven flint]

Anyway, I can't believe Ao promoted me to Over Deity! I was just the Lord of Goofy!

[umbral girder]

Counter spell

[woven flint]

Counterspells your counterspell, MORTAL!

[glossy otter]

Overcounterspell, nobody rules over me XD

[umbral girder]

Counterspell

[frosty garnet]

banning was excessive, and this certainly could've been handled much, much better, and while I do not think it is intrinsically ableist nor makes anyone a bad person, I can see how creating a disabled character whose goal is to un-disable themselves might be offensive or make someone uncomfortable if they have lived most of their life knowing a person with that disability

[stable kiln]

Who needs spells when you have a boomerang

[woven flint]

Oh, no, you're my second in command!

[tired rune]

Nobody knew she had any sort of triggers and I couldn't explain she immediately got up threw dice at me and told the owner of the comic shop that we were playing in and he kicked me out and I've always been a anxious person and she was I think 20 and I was 12 it was scary and I just started crying

[glossy otter]

like the hells I am, I'm my own dude in this lol

[woven flint]

You get to torture whoever you want....

[cobalt escarp]

sokka, that you /ref

[frosty garnet]

20, and 12?! ok thats insane

[stable kiln]

sounds like hell, if a 20 year old adult can't communicate then thats a them problem

[glossy otter]

I mean fair, it really is a tricky scenario I suppose

[stable kiln]

Water tribe

[glossy otter]

I already get to. Trying to find new victims- I mean new players for one campaign

[inner silo]

Ngl water druid is really fun

[jolly canyon]

20 and 12 changes the dynamic in my mind. That's wild

[woven flint]

My favorite of the Elements is Surprise

[frosty garnet]

it really really does for me too ngl

[lyric viper]

There is definitely space within an RP game to explore experiences adjacent or different to one's own. And with your own friend group there is usually more grace and space to sometimes get things wrong and hopefully learn from it. Still always worth exploring why you want to try out an idea and how. If someone has an issue, that should be discussed and explored too, with that same grace. This can go for different genders, orientations, neurodivergency, traumas, physical ability and so on.

[frosty garnet]

thaaats a lot of missing context

[woven flint]

That's... diabolical

To the hells with that woman! Pronto!

[jolly canyon]

Idc if a 12 yr old is dropping insults and slurs. I'm not gonna go crazy on them. I'm going to try and tell them that behavior isn't ok and give them a chance to do better. Why is an adult freaking out on a child. Children are supposed to be immature.

[stable kiln]

again, if you're a grown adult that knows they have problems, they should've said something...you are 20...you're grown...say something

[glossy otter]

we ask that as scalpers exist

[frosty garnet]

importantly, Alpha girly didnt drop insults nor slurs

[lyric viper]

Did this happen recently or in the past? Is there a way to communicate with the owner and the group to resolve this?

[jolly canyon]

Exactly. They were only RPing a deaf character while ALSO being hard of hearing themselves. Those aren't the same thing of course but it does give more leverage to their desire to play a deaf character

[hot marlin]

As granny Incubus used to say "Children are idiots. This is why humans can make multiple ones, just to multiply their chances of one being less idiotic than its siblings"

[inner silo]

Is the battlerager barb actually only usable on dwarves?

[stable kiln]

i mean..they were 12

[lavish flame]

how does one intimidate people into understanding a language

[frosty garnet]

there was this one time i read about a Bear pc intimidating people into understanding him

[inner silo]

By teaching them that language in a very intimidating way

[woven flint]

Pure willpower

[cobalt escarp]

officaly, yes

[inner silo]

Dam

Is it the only spicies restricted subclass?

[glossy otter]

In what context are we talking?

[jolly agate]

Coolest barbarian subclass?

[woven flint]

I'll speak to you in a language you understand...

These HANDS!!!!!

[umbral girder]

As of now yes. Bladesinger used to be Elf exclusive

[inner silo]

Interesting

[lyric viper]

I can honestly say since my own time playing from the age of 12 I have 100% messed up at times. I'm glad the majority of the groups I was with were good enough to communicate with me maturely when that happened

[inner silo]

Hopefully battleragers will get the same treatment

[lavish flame]

someone earlier mentioned having a character only communicate in a Sign-based language that the other PCs couldn't understand. they said they "intimidated them into understanding" which I just don't understand how that would be doable

[umbral girder]

The reason is in the Forgotten Realms Battle Ragers are actually a Dwarf only thing in lore.

[jolly canyon]

Yea that's weird but the intimidator in question is 12 so now it makes sense that it makes no sense lol

[cobalt escarp]

yoh could just homebrew

[frosty garnet]

i remember when i was like 15 or something playing my very first ttrpg game of curse of strahd hoooooh boy i did something i deeply deeply regret

[woven flint]

As a Barbarian enjoyer who never uses armor
I think they should just make Battlerager the Grappling Barbarian subclass if they ever brought it back as an updated thing

[lyric viper]

Yeah I think that was one element that seems far fetched and not quite appropriate. Pushing others into trying to communicate and pay attention, maybe, but not 'I understand a language I don't know because the persons scares me'

[kind torrent]

Maybe intimidated them into like

Pretending to understand so they don't get a beating

[lyric viper]

I like to think back on these moments randomly at night and make pained noises, decades on

[frosty garnet]

ME TOO

[jolly canyon]

Yea I wouldn't expect and adult to try something like that. But a 12 yr old I would expect them to try something wild. As a dm I'd just say sorry but that isn't a thing in dnd. The players can role-play that they are scared of you if they want but that's it.

[frosty garnet]

yeah!

but like especially if its someones first campaign

sadly, not everyone is much into helping new players or younger players. i dont think alpha girly is in the wrong, its kinda just a stroke of bad luck

[stable kiln]

i wonder what they even said for the intimidation

[woven flint]

If you try to wear armor on

Barbarians, Wizards or Sorcerers..

You're not invited to my birthday party!

[stable kiln]

thats why i go barebarian, free bird

[umbral girder]

Adamantine Armor is very good on Barbarians to say “nuh uh” to Crits

[glossy otter]

what if you're a battlerager barbarian

[woven flint]

You sicken me

[jolly canyon]

Yea I can't really fault a 12 yr old too much for making some mistakes here and there. Lack of good leaders and adults around them to teach a better scenario.

[glossy otter]

I mean hey, it's designed to be an armor wearing barbarian XD

[woven flint]

And the most Mid of Barbarian subclases

[stable kiln]

if you cant get 18+ ac while having a barbarian wearing nothing you're doing it wrong

[craggy summit]

Mid is generous

It's a cool concept but poorly executed

[cobalt escarp]

very generous

[glad arch]

Maybe it would be worth considering if for spiked armor counted as unarmored

[glossy otter]

they need to revive it. If bladesinger can be revived, so can battlerager

[tired rune]

Plus I checked with the DM beforehand and it was my first time ever playing And it put me off of it for like 6 years and when I came in I have visible hearing aids but I can speak and when I did asl to the DM she got up insulted me cussed at me and then threw dice in my face. As hard as possible I would have made a different character and sent him off on a jet plane or something if she had just asked me to

[jolly canyon]

What the

That's just assault

[umbral girder]

Which is a tad more frequent for Barbarians

[craggy summit]

there's a couple other changes they need to make to make it better. the spikes should do more damage than a dagger

[glossy otter]

I'm suprised they didn't get kicked out for throwing dice

[lyric viper]

Yeah, at that point that is an assault. 6 years on means can't really resolve that issue, but that was entirely, absolutely uncalled for and inappropriate.

[stable kiln]

i do have a question. did you tell anyone else what happened?

[glossy otter]

ngl the more I hear of this person, they sound like a dnd karen

[tired rune]

Her dad owned the shop so she was always in the right

[woven flint]

Monks fundementally just don't work with armor is why.

[jolly canyon]

Not calling you a liar at all! Just so crazy that a 20 yr old freaked out and assaulted a child for RPing in dnd. Crazy story actually and I'm sorry you had to go through that during development years especially

[lyric viper]

It's one thing to be upset at something- it is another to resort to physical and/or verbal abuse- being upset does not excuse this and it's terrible you had that happen to you.

[cobalt escarp]

not really racism, more like species specific jobs

[woven flint]

You literally CANNOT do an armored monk lol (without losing majority of your class features)

[glossy otter]

ah, so a nepo baby karen, yeesh I'm sorry to hear for you

[stable kiln]

also trying to figure out why tell people this now even if they told other people after 6 years, did something retrigger it?

[lavish flame]

...

[tired rune]

Not really like I said never really been somebody for social interactions back then and I grew up thinking it was alright for women to hit dudes because my grandma I feel I should clarify. I'm a guy and alpha girly is just a joke name

[woven flint]

It's still a thing
But typically people will take a feat or dip fighter to wear armor for Wizards and Sorcs

[stable kiln]

okay, well, im sorry for that interaction, should have still told a trusted adult.

[glossy otter]

Ye, nobody deserves to be hit regardless of gender or anything

[stable kiln]

better than holding onto it for 6 years

[jolly canyon]

I'm no therapist. I wanna not delve deep into that here. Valid question but I won't bother thinking about it at this moment.

[tired rune]

I know that now and I'm not really holding on to it. I just wanted to share the story with people who actually play the game

[lyric viper]

Little aside from D&D, but in case it needs to be said and reassured, gender is not an excuse and men can be victims of abuse from women too.

[tired rune]

And it's not something that still affects me but I thought it was funny to share

[jolly canyon]

funny is a word for sure. But you're here in this discord so I assume you're still into dnd so I'm glad that experience didn't chase you away from the hobby

[lyric viper]

And on D&D- as you can hopefully see from reactions here, that was not an acceptable thing that happened and a normal occurance in the hobby.
Sadly there can be horror stories, but they 'horror' people for a reason. They are not normal or acceptable.

[viral kraken]

i think the most violent thing that happened at the local game store is nerf related here thankfully

[glossy otter]

wait, is your pfp a reference to what I think it is? (I ask because this does tie into a dnd thing lol)

[tired rune]

Trying to get back into it. I got a beginner set at a thrift store. Brand new for three bucks when I was in Texas last week and we played it in the hotel. I was staying in and we were all really messed up so my friend spent 4 hours talking to some goblin and I have no idea at what point it started or what point it ended. All I know is I no longer half the book or half the dice and I'm pretty sure we flushed it down the toilet

[jolly canyon]

My most bad experience is my wife getting mad at me cause I told her she needs to roll to kick a door open so I ruined her aura rp moment

[viral kraken]

if you are asking me, ya it's Life is Strange

[glossy otter]

Aaaay, just got finished Reunion (I wont spoil it) but it is kinda funny seeing all of the actual dnd references in it

[tired rune]

Have you tried rage and bloom. I think that's better than the first life is strange game

[viral kraken]

so far, only the first one, but my friend really wants to see me play through them all

[tired rune]

I would say skip true colors

[lyric viper]

I've unfortunately got some horror stories in my pocket from being a younger online player, but hopefully can help reduce this being normalised and the frequency of when they occur. Be safe online folk, don't put up with red flags that threaten your safety, report, block, move on to better groups.

[tired rune]

Definitely two is a great game one of the only games that made me cry And Rage and bloom are really good And then you should play the altars and The walking Dead game

[lyric viper]

Also psst, we have #non-dnd-topics for other game talk 😉

[glossy otter]

I only made the one comment because of said dnd references lol. Even poked fun at the panic that went around in the 80's

[viral kraken]

lol it's devil worship i say!

[woven flint]

I'm gonna share a funny accidental Aura Farm one of my characters had:

My Warforged Pugilist was fighting some gnolls because they attacked another Warforged
He swung twice at one, missed
And then on his third attack he ONESHOT it because he got a lucky max damage roll..
He was level 2

[tired rune]

I told my ex my story and she said yea they all worship the devil and then laughed I'm not sure if she was joking

[cobalt escarp]

my dad was alive during this and when i talked to him about it he thought most dnd players were your stereotypical emo kid

[viral kraken]

so when i think of warforged pugilist, i think of Big O and those crazy punching pistons, what does your warforged look like?

[tall forge]

I love devil worship

Asmoedeus gives a lot of boons

[cobalt escarp]

im more of a mammon guy

[stable kiln]

i have a one shot idea but idk where to share that idea at lmao

[woven flint]

He's a Standard Juggernaut model, big, brolic, beefy
About 7 feet tall .. hard to squeeze past in hallways type of deal lol

[glossy otter]

I'm personally more demogorgon, the guy really gives you options

[tall forge]

Woah, im evil but capitalism? Thats too far

[loud tendon]

maybe #dm-world-building ?

[tall forge]

Eh, he really grew a big head after becoming mainstream

[tired rune]

Add em back too blitz

[glossy otter]

I still prefer big baboon

[jolly canyon]

I made a warforge npc and I hope my team finds it and invites it to the crew but I won't tell them where it is since I don't wanna be in the dmpc type scenario. Just my lingering desire to be a player in a campaign

[tall forge]

More like big baby… oon

[glossy otter]

Readies staff What was that? XD jkjk

[thorn wedge]

Dm pcs are the worst

[glossy otter]

agreed, can't stand them

[lavish flame]

real

[jolly canyon]

Exactly why I won't do it. I know I'll end up DMPCing and I don't wanna be that type of dm

[thorn wedge]

One of the few evils that are even worse than joke characters

[rough basalt]

DMPCs are pretty easy to avoid

[cobalt escarp]

as long as they aren't op and only stay for a few sessions, i think its fine

[stable kiln]

its why i kill my npcs randomly

[rough basalt]

If NPCs are in the party just scale encounters to the npcs and the party

[stable kiln]

cant be a dmpc if they explode

[rough basalt]

Makes combat potentially sloggy but if you get the npcs killed, theyre not around too long.

[jolly canyon]

Yee agreed. My npcs do not get saving throws baring few exceptions.

[bronze canopy]

I don’t mind a dmpc, but I always make mine weaker than the party by at least a level or 2 so they’re not as useful. Or other debuffs like having no hands

[rough basalt]

It's also part of why I run XP games cause NPCs get their cut of the profits too which means having the extra firepower means less experience to make you stronger which makes sense to me.

[thorn wedge]

Ye not all npcs that the dm uses with the party are dmpcs, it’s more when the dm starts to straddle the line of being a player while dm’ing. Usually when they start doing silly stuff like that, they also do other silly stuff like using the rules (that they made) to make their guy cool or impressive or allowing them to show up the party or what have you.

[lavish flame]

ooh smart

[tired rune]

Is there anybody good at story telling who I can have beef with in the Ollie's group chat?

[rough basalt]

Cause if you're just mobbing a troll to death with 12 armed soldiers you're not exactly getting a life or death fight with a troll thatll grow you as a warrior, you're jumping its ass and beating it to a pulp

Never seen it

[tall forge]

I can have beef with random people

[jolly canyon]

Yea I'm learning as a I go and I don't want my attachment to this character taking away any spotlight from my players so I will not introduce him to the party. My friends are new players and don't understand why a dmpc can be bad and just want me to play with them. I said I am playing with yall. I'm every npc amd enemy

[tall forge]

But idk who ollie is

[cobalt escarp]

i will gladly have beef with a random person in a group chat

[lavish flame]

I always give my NPCs that stick with a party some great flaw. Maybe the priest hireling is a total coward or the warrior hireling is always throwing themselves into danger or whatever.

[tired rune]

You know the box store the one with the old guy as the mascot

[tall forge]

No you wont

[tired rune]

I don't know if it's just an Ohio thing

[tall forge]

The hobby shop?

[cobalt escarp]

yes i will

[tired rune]

I don't think so

[thorn wedge]

It’s kinda like a dollar tree

[rough basalt]

I have an Ollie's near me and it's like a department store kinda

[tall forge]

I only know Ollies Hobby shop

[rough basalt]

There's a hobby section, home decoration sections, construction sections

Nothing specific but good general stuff.

[thorn wedge]

I’d say it’s like a ross but mostly not with clothes actually.

[rough basalt]

It's where I've gotten my most recent books and comics.

[thorn wedge]

They’re like overstock goods and whatnot

[plucky elk]

I've just come to the realisation that my DM may have been hinting that I'm going to become a deity at some point. Because I'm a cleric, and my god has been killed and the npc who told me then said that I'm now getting my powers from within myself.

Though this could also just be that I'm an Aasimar and that's what is fuelling it.

Would be pretty cool if I did become a deity

[rough basalt]

Unfortunate

But I just don't really allow XP grinding.

Oh I've never had people randomly attack for XP

Every group I've had often takes a "fire if fired upon" approach to my random encounters.

[loud tendon]

since we don't allow naming/shaming or flaming, I'm also going to say no beefing about random workers at shops. It's not D&D and not appropriate for this space - you can take it to a facebook rant and rave

[tall forge]

Just… dont let it happen

[rough basalt]

Unless it's obvious they're in danger.

[tall forge]

Like, for me randomly burning down a village? No xp

[thorn wedge]

Milestone is just narratively cooler than xp imo. If people start recruiting massive groups of goons I just have some above table talk about what kind of game we’re trying to run.

[tall forge]

There was no encounter

[cobalt escarp]

lucky, my group has a "fire before fired upon" approach

[rough basalt]

You know what is worth XP tho? The Knights coming to take down the mass murderers who burnt down a village for fun.

[tall forge]

Absolutely! Those knights also have magic items to loot!

[rough basalt]

Just good luck fighting them.

[tall forge]

Unless they kill the mass murderers

Which, theres 12 of them with health pots and magic items….

[lavish flame]

yeah tbh most of my players follow this mindset

I use Milestone XP, so they don't get XP for random encounters, just larger accomplishments. They usually only fight if they need to.

[rough basalt]

It's probably just the kind of game I curate. I tend to avoid just brainless brawling.

[cobalt escarp]

i was running dragon of icespire peak and they actually asked if they could kill all the gnomes they saw

[uncut zenith]

Yeah I don’t run my campaigns in a way that allows the party to just “XP farm”

[rough basalt]

Like rn my Monday group has several goals and along the way to those goals and completing them will be a lot of XP

Which will hopefully lead them to around 13-15

[uncut zenith]

At my tables, XP is given (whether individually, milestone, story-based, etc.) when the party does something significant to the campaign. Just killing creatures for the sake of getting XP is a no-go.

[tall forge]

I just do milestone

[cobalt escarp]

thats fair, its easier to keep track of

[uncut zenith]

I mostly do story-based advancement

[tall forge]

I wanna control the level ups a bit more so i dont have to worry about giving too much xp too fast

[rough basalt]

My Monday groups current goals are
Main goal: Rescue a PC from Donjon jail in the Underworld
Side Goals: Complete trials of deities to become Champions for 3 of them, which sort of weave into the main goal.

[jolly canyon]

Donjon jail lol classic

[rough basalt]

Tho it's player ain't in the game anymore so basically it's an NPC now

[jolly canyon]

mine now the dm

[rough basalt]

Yep, no reason to throw it out

[uncut zenith]

I don’t typically run past PCs as NPCs unless the player gives me explicit permission to do so

[cobalt escarp]

i run my personal PCs as NPCs sometimes

[jolly canyon]

In the starter kit I ran I just acted like th pc who dropped out was never there. It didn't have narrative importance so it was fine. It would be a bit different if a pc dropped out now though so we'll see if that ever happens.

[jovial shadow]

In what manner?

[rough basalt]

The PC was only around for like 1 session, but pretty much became a good long term goal so I felt like it was good to keep it involved.

Not even 1 session

It was like end of the 1st session when they drew from the deck and got donjon'd

[cobalt escarp]

like my favorite PC is a goblin from a circus so anytime something circus related happens, he's there

[jolly canyon]

Oh yea I forgot you said you gave that session 1

I teased the deck last session so now I know they are thinking about it

[rough basalt]

Yep they ran into the Old Man who has a 1d4 chance of having the Deck of Many Things (it was 1)

[jolly canyon]

That's so funny

Getting donjon session one just makes me laugh thinking about it

[rough basalt]

Funny enough it probably saved that PC from death

[jolly canyon]

Especially since it was random

The odds

[rough basalt]

Cause the wizard had 8 con and no defensive spells

[jolly canyon]

Did that make them leave or was it merely coincidence 🤔

That's the pc who isn't there now right?

[rough basalt]

No they stuck around.

[jolly canyon]

Oh OK ok. Mixing up pcs in my mind then

[rough basalt]

But I removed the player and someone else cause their incompetent PCs kept getting on my nerves as well as others.

Incompetent being intentionally built to not be good at what they're supposed to do.

Like a cleric with 11 wisdom and no starting gear

[jolly canyon]

My looking at my cleric with 13 wis and 18 str

[viral kraken]

dang, playing bad characters is my signature move as a player

[jolly canyon]

In my defense I will be bumping that wis and I'm going war cleric

I'm not in a campaign but I am ina westmarch. I guess they are the same but not really? But one more mission and I get lvl 3 I think

[rough basalt]

I run games that can end up being pretty difficult so when the party is being balanced for 4 but they only effectively have 2 PCs, it makes things unfair for the 2 effective ones.

[open raven]

Sorry people 😐
How can I play if I found a game

[jolly canyon]

That's fair especially if you set the expectation ahead of time

[rough basalt]

Cause it's not like I can balance the encounters to 2 PCs, the other 2 PCs may be borderline useless but they're still extra targets on the field.

[jolly canyon]

There are no games here so if someone invited you I'd check your dms for an invite to a discord

[open raven]

I mean in the actual game

[jolly canyon]

Are you asking how to play dnd in general? There should be a bot command which links rules and such but idk them. Can anyone help?

[cobalt escarp]

worships their god by working out

[viral kraken]

might try #dnd-newcomers if you need to know how to play generally

[jolly canyon]

He's a Goliath so it made sense to me 😭 😭

[rough basalt]

I mean there's definitely ways to make low stats work

Hardcore games show that

[jolly canyon]

I do not intend to stay a bad cleric tho. All feats I get from now on will be used to make me a better cleric

Asi, wisdom half feats, the works

[cobalt escarp]

maybe just be a melee focused cleric, like war cleric or somethin

[jolly canyon]

Yuh I'm going war at lvl 3. Was my intention although it turns out there is alot more melee focused pcs in the westmarch community I'm in than anticipated.

[cobalt escarp]

id think that at that point you might as well be a paladin and make the strength more useful but war cleric works

[jolly canyon]

It'll be alright I think. Always a chance the players I'm paired up with have few melee ones. Even if lower chance

[lavish flame]

We've got like 5 of them now, which is y'alls favorite Starter Set?

I've ran Lost Mine of Phandelver and I'm currently running Dragon of Icespire Peak. How is Stormwreck Isle, Heroes of the Borderlands, and that Stranger Things one?

[crimson gulch]

The heros of the borderlands is the best starter kit for 5e 100% no contest

[lavish flame]

How does that one go? I'm familiar with the whole Wilderness/Caves of Chaos/Keep on the Borderlands setup, but whats the actual adventure like?

What makes it stronger than the other Starter Sets, yknow?

[crimson gulch]

Because there's so much less plot and it's more single servings of things

It's a worse campaign than lost mines

But a better starter set as a result

Because it's easy to digest and very straightforward

[jolly canyon]

I've ran it and I love it for beginners but I can't compare it only official module ive played. I guess it feels like a big dungeon???

[crimson gulch]

And the materials in the box are top notch for getting started for in person play

Much more so than the others

[lavish flame]

Afaik it is basically a series of dungeons you explore, some of which are conjoined, but they're all near one another. Very AD&D (wonder why lmao)

[rough basalt]

It's a mystery

[crimson gulch]

its very close to the old school caves of chaos

but the orc cave is gone now its memphits in there if i recall

[lavish flame]

yeah cuz 5.5e doesn't have unique Orc statblocks, it has Toughs, a kind of strong Humanoid. I guess they figured itd be weird for... regular people to be hanging out with ogres and bugbears and stuff

Its arguably weirder that Ogres and Bugbears are living with Elementals but whatevs

[rugged hawk]

Tie it into the Temple of Elemental Evil and/or Princes of the Apocalypse

[tender fossil]

It is a very simplified version of the original module. They cut out a lot of the nuance

[jolly canyon]

Yea no orc cause I remember I had to replace bugbears with "orcs" to have a LoTR flavoured dungeon. All flavor I didn't change anything.

[tender fossil]

You don't have the prisoners to rescue, you don't get approached by the traitor, the caves aren't being organized to be a threat against the keep

[rugged hawk]

Awww, they're not?

[ripe nimbus]

they shoulda kept the orcs in and given them a reason to be there. sometimes dungeons just have bandits or stowaways or something

[fast latch]

Question, how do you play characters with a mental score of -2 or lower?

[rugged hawk]

Dumb, obviously

[tender fossil]

Instead of two orc caves you get a nothic and Mephits

[odd valley]

if it’s intelligence, anytime you’re in a library just pretend to read a book (it’ll be upside down tho)

[lavish flame]

they're really bad at trivia

[crimson gulch]

anyway you like, but those arcana rolls are going to be tough.
i had a monk in a campaign i ran with 4 charisma and 6 int.
she was singularly focued and dedicated to protecting her freinds and breaking dragons in half

[jolly canyon]

Let's spoiler tag these incase new players end up playing in a HotB game. It's becoming popular for new sessions.

[lavish flame]

most of the Intelligence skills are about knowledge recollection, maybe they just have a bad memory

[jolly canyon]

Saying what's not there is fine but I'd spoiler what is there. Impo

[tender fossil]

Sadly, there's not much of a mechanical bonus in 5E outside of a wizard. And half the fighter sub classes

[crimson gulch]

Arcana nature and religon checks are huge in my games

[lavish flame]

same

[flint ledge]

One of my players has a -2 to Charisma checks, they recently did a speech and instead of saying something inspiring they absolutely purposely botched it

[lavish flame]

People here often talk about not rolling Intelligence skills often. This blows my mind, its so far away from my experience

My players are always wondering about the mystical world their characters operate in

[crimson gulch]

me too, theres a lot of folks out there that dont play the whole game

[tender fossil]

We roll intelligence all the time it's just most people let the high intelligence characters default to the tasks

[crimson gulch]

people actions in the games drive who is rolling checks, when your im the moment sometimes its the barbarian rolling arcana

[lavish flame]

Fair. Often times, my party is collectively discussing what they know, so I make it a group check.

I get a lot of mileage out of group checks actually

Idk if they're even like... an official rule anywhere. It happened in an adventure my older brother ran when I was like 13 and it blew my mind so I stole it

[crimson gulch]

i try to minimize group checks

[rough basalt]

I think the skills I see the least use are Acrobatics, and Survival. Tho survival will be needed tonight

[odd valley]

i’ve ran both lmop and i’m also currently running doip and i prefer doip in my honest opinion

[rough basalt]

Cause they're out of food.

[ripe nimbus]

intelligence: slow, of course. but remember that "comically dumb" is usually not realistic (it can still be fun if it's your bag). they probably realize they're not the smartest tool in the shed and leave the harder mental stuff to their smarter friends. they talk broadly like normal people, but maybe with a bit simpler diction, without too many rare words. unlikely to know a lot of trivia or history, but they aren't missing a bunch of common knowledge.

[lavish flame]

I think my least rolled skills are Animal Handling and Medicine

[rugged hawk]

Ignorance-powered subclass when? D&D reality is literally held together by BELIEF. If the barbarian doesn't know they can't shatter magic with a swing of their axe.... they might just be able to do it

[ripe nimbus]

wisdom: scatterbrained and impulsive.

[lavish flame]

I think I also prefer DoIP.

[jolly canyon]

Me as heck

[lavish flame]

Having the freedom to choose where you want to adventure, what skrts of rewards interest you, and what kind of deeds you want to be known for is really nice. I like the Quests in DoIP, and if they did the same setup in future books I'd really enjoy that.

[severe rampart]

What is DoIP?

[lavish flame]

Dragon of Icespire Peak

[odd valley]

dragon of icespire peak

[severe rampart]

Got it

[ripe nimbus]

charisma: options here. they could be kind of a boor. or they could be shy, reserved, easily spoken over, a shrinking violet. they might be awkward. there's lots of different ways to flavor it.

[tender fossil]

I've always done very attractive until they open their mouth.

[severe rampart]

I like very awkward and timid

[ripe nimbus]

i think "awkward and timid" is probably the closest to the platonic ideal of a low charisma score in my mind

[fast latch]

Very cool in-character play

[ripe nimbus]

not necessarily unlikeable just. really unimpressive.

but the stats are flavor-wise very, very broad

[lavish flame]

Lost Mine is cool, obviously the opening encounters can destroy a party, but I still enjoyed the adventure. The story is kinda incomprehensible, very little of what you're doing moment-to-moment is related to the overall goal. Of the 2 I've run, I think I prefer Icespire Peak

[ripe nimbus]

lost mine has video game main quest "okay i know i need to do this fetch quest but i, uh, forgot why" syndrome

i like it still

[tribal night]

The power of a Minotaur and Lamia, strength of a bull, dexterity of a snake

[fast latch]

I have a Good aligned Mind Flayer NPC with low Charisma

He’s a surgeon who eats the brains of dead patients because it’s the only way he can ethically source his meals

[tribal night]

And it turns out to just be an ordinary guy.

Yeah he didn't get either genes, he's just a regular.

[lavish flame]

Yeah its like "find the Lost Mine" is the main quest but for some reason you gotta go kill some Orcs that raided a caravan. I dunno

[ripe nimbus]

my player ended up marrying into the tribe instead

disguise plan gone wrong, iirc.

i forget what it was

[ripe nimbus]

it's easy to avoid the need for Survival checks with planning but when planning goes south...

plus sometimes you just need to cross through a forest without marked trails to get to a quest and navigation checks are called for

[crimson gulch]

survival checks usualy ocme into play with tracking monsters and identifying tracks and footprints

[ripe nimbus]

i've never had a tracking roll come up yet

navigation or foraging, yes, tracking is still something my players have yet to go out of their way to do

or that i've given them reason to do, i guess. it's DM-dependent, I suppose

[lavish flame]

I like making certain locations especially difficult to navigate through, so they need a Survival check to be able to move a hex in them. Thus far its mostly been mountains and dense forests

[ripe nimbus]

i mean that's RAW

[warped topaz]

playing in a campaign set in skyrim (never played an elder scrolls game) and have decided to search for the hand and eye of vecna

(eye of magnus and hand of mannimarco)

[ripe nimbus]

RAW you need a navigation check whenever you aren't following a clearly visible landmark and aren't on a road

[lavish flame]

ye, i use the RAW rules. a lot of adventuring happens in like grasslands with roads, so navigation is easy (DC 5 or something). I think Forests are DC 15

[ripe nimbus]

oh yeah

if your players never step off road then they don't even need navigation checks

[lavish flame]

in grasslands i dont bother with the roll tbh, DC 5 means you Just Do It

[ripe nimbus]

and if they only step off road in grasslands it's still really easy

yeah

[tawdry sentinel]

One of them things you kinda need to set up.

There's something nasty in the woods.

Obviously they need to find it for the plot and it's really anti climactic if they don't.

But if you have the 3 clues and a survival roll between each one, and if the roll is bad there's a "random" encounter before they get the clue, or someone leads you in the wrong direction so you're getting there at night or it starts raining or w/ever.

Then the quantum monster turns up anyway but they're in worse state.

[ripe nimbus]

hmm if they fail the tracking roll i just think they're not meeting the monster

[lavish flame]

I'm running in Wildemount (and specifically in the Marrow Valley rn) which is like... 99% grassland with roads running between settlements. I like to put notable locations in mountains and forests where I can for this reason

[ripe nimbus]

i run sandboxes sandboxy enough that there's no real plot-essential events

[lavish flame]

swamps too! love a good swamp

[ripe nimbus]

i mean that's pretty realistic to medieval europe, in fairness

actual medieval europe would make for a really boring d&d setting though

[buoyant oar]

Super easy to get lost in a wide open grassland. If there is miles and miles of terrain between land marks. It's easy to veer off course

[ripe nimbus]

maybe irl but RAW it's really hard to

[woven flint]

Make a DC 30 survival check

[lavish flame]

admittedly I don't feel that D&D grasslands are like real-life plains. I kinda feel they're a bit more fantastical, so landmarks are still relatively easy to come by.

[buoyant oar]

And as far as medieval Europe the forests of Europe were much much much denser medieval times than they are today.

[ripe nimbus]

only in the early middle ages

in the late middle ages forest cover was similar to today, if not a bit less (there's been significant reforestation over the past century in Europe)

and western europe was pretty well-settled; there'd usually be only an hour or two between villages

[woven flint]

Nobodies making the Survival check >:(((

[ripe nimbus]

my irl wisdom (survival) modifier is negative. i fail the check.

[woven flint]

You get Dysentery

[tawdry sentinel]

I dunno, if they've decided they're rocking up in small town, and it's beset by some fey critter that spirits travellers away. And the mini-adventure ends without ever seeing that critter because they rolled bad at survival. True to life but a bit bleh for a game to play.

[ripe nimbus]

hey that's a con save

[woven flint]

Okay, do a con save

[ripe nimbus]

just how the cookies crumble

[buoyant oar]

Take the world map of The Witcher 3 Velen a a good example

There is only a short distance between villages but people get lost all of the time and it's not a safe place.

[ripe nimbus]

like there's enough adventure that if you miss out on one line of adventure that it's not a problem i think

in games where there's a single definite plot, though, sure. or one shots or something

but in a sandbox with enough content, it's okay if sometimes you fail quests early on!

[buoyant oar]

When I run sandbox games there is an over arching plot. But how they solve it within the world space is up to them. I'll pick a country in the Realms like Rashemen. And turn them loose in the wild country.

[kind torrent]

So I'm thinking of playing a Blood Hunter for a campaign

Any race y'all would recommend?

[buoyant oar]

Human

[lavish flame]

I'm pretty similar

I come up with a villain and their scheme and maybe some minor villains along the way (usually stolen from modules/adventures) and just let the players go

[woven flint]

Odd one Githyanki

[fast latch]

Bugbear, for the extra reach

You’ll be a lot safer

[ripe nimbus]

also if players fail one way of addressing a problem there's usually three more ways they can think of in their back pocket

[woven flint]

I can see a Githyanki being a Bloodhunter tbh

[lavish flame]

Plasmoid

[near karma]

Variant Human or Custom Lineage

[fast latch]

Can you be a blood hunter without blood?

[woven flint]

Man, you folks give all the boring options /silly

[near karma]

The extra feat is very important for any weapon user

[lavish flame]

yeah

[woven flint]

Yes.
Notably, its life essence not particuarly blood.

[worn lagoon]

the extra feat is extremely strong, and actually convinced me to write a human character for once, so you could say i got baited

my only non-draconic dnd character, first and maybe not last

[woven flint]

I've yet to see anyone play a Githzerai or Githyanki

[worn lagoon]

the perks are good, but they're... ugly

[lavish flame]

Ooh actually fun idea:
Tiefling or Fire Genasi whose Bloodhunter self-damage is flavored as their blood boiling

[woven flint]

at least firsthand

[near karma]

I've played a Githzerai Shepherd Druid so I didn't have to take a level of Sorcerer for shield

[kind torrent]

what is that even

[worn lagoon]

free medium armor would go extremely hard on any caster that wants it

[woven flint]

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Githyanki

[kind torrent]

They're stinky and ugly tho

[lavish flame]

Space Pirates

[severe rampart]

The urge to run oneshots is overtaking my body once more

[kind torrent]

Huh, looks cool

[woven flint]

Githyanki were a species of people that were enslaved bt the Ilithids/Mindflayers and freed themselves after a revolution
They absolutely HATE other aberrations and seem to want to hunt them to extinction

[kind torrent]

I'm tryna play a guy that's just chillin' tryina read his books and open a library maybe, unfortunately got blood hunter powers, doesn't like bleeding or fighting but uses em if need be

[woven flint]

Githyank and Githzerai are the same species, just different sides with different lives

[worn lagoon]

lae'zel did wonders for githyanki pr but it wasnt enough

[woven flint]

Githzerai are their opposites in nature,
They prefer philosphy

[kind torrent]

Oo they look cool

[woven flint]

"Since their hard-won victory against the mind flayers, followed by their dissent and defeat at the hands of the githyanki, the githzerai became ascetics and philosophers, pursuing self-knowledge in the face of adversity."

They're fun, but they're also the reserved type as they value self-perservation and are often skeptical of outsiders

[prime basin]

Do they kill outsiders like githyanki?

[woven flint]

Nope! they're not as hostile

Githzerai aren't MURDEROUS but they're definetly not just friendly right offgate either

[prime basin]

Based on what i've seen in bg3, i'd have different words

[woven flint]

Githzerai and Githyanki are two different types of individuals

The ones you see more in BG3 are Githyanki

[prime basin]

I know

[fast latch]

If you want a pretty Blood Hunter race, I recommend Sea Elf

You get to breathe underwater

[woven flint]

Which isn't going to be useful in every campaign...

[fast latch]

Sounds like a cool concept

[prime basin]

You never know

[woven flint]

I just know that its incredibly, sadly uncommon.

Just be an Air Genasi, you can hold your breath indefinitely lol

Or be a Triton, they're just sea elves but cooler and not related to elves

Also their ability to speak to Sea Critters is just... BETTER than Sea Elves

Triton:
Emissary of the Sea. You can communicate simple ideas to any Beast, Elemental, or Monstrosity that has a swimming speed. It can understand your words, though you have no special ability to understand it in return.

Sea Elf:
Friend of the Sea. Aquatic animals have an extraordinary affinity with your people. You can communicate simple ideas to any Beast that has a swimming speed. It can understand your words, though you have no special ability to understand it in return.

[tawdry inlet]

Guys, could you recommend me where I can find some good info explaining Feywild and overall D&D multiversum, cosmology and theistics?

Like, ya know, stuff about gods, realms and so on

[prime basin]

Triton are cooler but weaker

[lavish flame]

the Dungeon Master's Guide (both 5e and 5.5) has a chapter on Cosmology, which'll tell you about the various planes of existence

[woven flint]

The forgotten realms wiki is actually a pretty decent source

[glass granite]

#dnd-lore too maybe

[woven flint]

I've looked at them both
They're about the same.

[tawdry inlet]

Thanks guys

[glass granite]

Hol up Tokii did you get promoted?

[bold badge]

Anyone know how to join a dnd?

[rugged hawk]

Or y'know, just be a weredolphin

[glass granite]

Check out #find-a-game

[woven flint]

the only REAL difference is Fey Ancestry and Trance for Elves.
And Spellcasting for Triton

Triton also get innate spellcasting and while Fog Cloud is their only notable option, its still pretty damn good

Fog Cloud notably Blocks Truesight And Devilsight along with a few other things

[lavish flame]

the stuff in #find-a-game is designed to get people into online games. If you don't already know how the game works, i'd check out #learn-to-play as well

[prime basin]

Triton get to cast meh spells with their trait and get to talk to monstrosity and elemental creatures too, sea elves have fey ancestry, trance, and keen senses

[bold badge]

Thank you

[prime basin]

Mechanically, they share some things but triton generally have the less useful things

[woven flint]

I just noted all of that, yes.

[woven flint]

And?

[prime basin]

it makes the sea elves objectively better (mechanically)

[lavish flame]

I've always thought Sea Elves were weird

[woven flint]

that seems like an opinion rather than an objective to me

[lavish flame]

I suppose it could be reasonable that there'd be a kind of Elf that was amphibious, but it just feels like a stretch to me idk

[rugged hawk]

Sea elves have gills, reminder. Good luck surface adventuring

[prime basin]

They can breathe air and water?

[woven flint]

Sea Elves can breathe in air and water

[rugged hawk]

I thought they could only do so for a while at a time

[lavish flame]

Nah, surface adventuring is tough for Grung and Locathah and thats it

And those are like... dubiously official

[woven flint]

Nope, they have surface settlements and sea settlements (Sea Elves)

[karmic echo]

yall ever played an evil aligned character in a non evil party?

i play one in my dragon heist game and im low key proud on what i accomplished, in terms of not screwing up the adventure

[lavish flame]

I haven't but that isn't to say it cannot be done. See: Dragonlance's Raistlin

[karmic echo]

the key is to make an evil fella that also like, works in regular normal society

[hidden spindle]

That sounds like fun

Relatable

[karmic echo]

in my case my guy is a smuggler that is incredibly selfish and greedy, but he lives in waterdeep for years and knows how to like not get killed by guards by doing crime at random

i think he is redeemable but i would like to do drama with the party before

cause i think the redemption has more impact if he like, actually did do some pretty awful stuff

[woven flint]

Yes.

He was a Chaotic Evil individual too.
However, he was not completely unreasonable
His goals just lead towards lawlessness and the suffering of others (at least thats what people outside of his viewpoint would see it as)

He was a Chaotic Evil Druid that thought society should be brought down to the levels that they put beasts at

[severe rampart]

I have

[karmic echo]

in the end i ended up going pretty deep on how he became the way he is actually

[severe rampart]

Changeling Criminal in a group of new adventurers

[woven flint]

Being a criminal doesn't make you evil inherently, you know?

[severe rampart]

In this case it did

[karmic echo]

yeah he is the type that would throw people over the bus if it would benefit him greatly enough

though he is getting quite attached to the party (in like a low key kinda tsundere way)

[severe rampart]

"Fine! it's not like I like being in this party anyway! hmph!"

[woven flint]

I find most of my Evil characters to be either Lawful Evil or Neutral Evil (although they don't strictly adhear to those all the time)

[karmic echo]

oh im neutral evil too

[severe rampart]

NE or bust

[karmic echo]

works well in society, but no moral code to follow, just whathever puts us on top

i ended up going a bit deep in his mindset too actually

[woven flint]

Lawful Evil is typically organized crime.
Not Evil that really adheres to the law

[karmic echo]

cause after growing up poor and disenfranchised in a pretty violent neighbourhood he views money and power over others as the only way to make him safe

[severe rampart]

yeah, I like Neutral Evil

[woven flint]

Maybe they adhere to SOME but no rules matter more than their own

Real chads are unaligned

[karmic echo]

also he's a warlock so when he got the chance to grab power for himself he took it no questions asked

(his patron is himself from an universe where he became a lich, that wants to create more lich versions of himself in other universes)

[severe rampart]

I feel like when dealing with liches you gotta ask some questions

[karmic echo]

its kinda like, the potential "bad end" for him in a way

[karmic echo]

hey he is me, and im the coolest, how can this ever go wrong

[tribal night]

You guys got a Umamusume dnd build

[rugged hawk]

So you're saying they'd make a good material for the local glue factory?

[tribal night]

Nooo!

[karmic echo]

monk that maxes out movespeed

[tribal night]

Horse monk lmao

Will I use my hooves or something?

That sounds sick

[karmic echo]

umas have hands

and feet

[tribal night]

Oh right I can just ask for custom race uma

[karmic echo]

no like they have regular ass hands and feet, they just have horse ears and tails

and no human ears which is always super funny

[hidden spindle]

Not exactly. What kind of features do they have?

[tribal night]

Oh ok, then it's just an enhanced human

[tribal night]

I dunno, I just wanna be a cutie horse girl

[karmic echo]

yeah no the girls in umamusume are just humans that run really fast and have horse ears

[hidden spindle]

I'm sure you can be a cutie horse girl.

Tiefling probably can definitely lean into that

[karmic echo]

and only girl umas exist for some reason

[tribal night]

I'll have to be stay gold since it's only logical

[karmic echo]

oh also real horses don't exist but the world is basically also real life

[tribal night]

She is canonically a otherworldly traveller, having her in a DnD campaign isn't too wild

[karmic echo]

which makes knights riding horse girls into battle canon

[opaque tusk]

Shifter

[tribal night]

Yoo I can carry my teammates

[tribal night]

I could run druid, so I can be the real stay gold horse and also the anime girl stay gold lmao

Then again, carrying my teammates sound more hilarious

The man's desire to play as a cute and smol girl with the most absurd strength build

[karmic echo]

you know what's crazy

centaurs still can't carry medium people

[tribal night]

WHA

[karmic echo]

they are considered medium for some reason

not large, like an actual horse

[tribal night]

I wanna carry my teammates... 🥀

[karmic echo]

make sure they are small then

[opaque tusk]

Beg your DM

[tribal night]

But but, leonard from elden ring can carry Radahn! (I know he used gravity magic but still)

[tribal night]

Oh yeah that's true

[opaque tusk]

They'll crack eventually

[tribal night]

Wait I can just learn gravity magic if I wanna carry bigger people

[tribal night]

The DM wants the best for their players so yeah

Unless it's too absurd

DnD custom character campaigns can have the funniest combinations sometimes

"Dawg what is this lineup?"
Stay Gold - Wizard
Minos Prime - Monk
Hatsune Miku - Bard
Sans - Sorcerer
Kratos - All of the above

Kratos would just be a barbarian monk tho

[serene jolt]

"Equine Build. You count as one size larger when determining your carrying capacity and the weight you can push or drag."

[karmic echo]

that is not applicable to being a mount

[serene jolt]

You can carry your teammates. You grapple, and can move normally if you are carrying another medium.

I bet they didn't make them an actual 'large' because it becomes pretty discouraging when you're trying to go through a dungeon and you have to sit outside.

So mechanically, you can carry your teammates.

While it would probably be also dm dependent, most DMs would say 'sure whatever' atp.

[rough basalt]

PF2e allows large PCs and the way it handles that for tight Dungeons is hilarious.

[hidden spindle]

You can grapple them and carry them but you can't let them ride unless they're Small

[karmic echo]

yeah they have an action to squeeze

[rough basalt]

Basically large PCs have to keep squeezing through which takes a minute per 5ft

[karmic echo]

also works for monsters and doors, its to prevent cheese with dungeon doors and such

[rough basalt]

Or have someone cast Shrink on them

The real answer is to just Kool-aid man through walls

[silent sleet]

can you use quickened spell on spells that take like , 10 min to cast? and if so how much does it reduce the casting time?

[short brook]

Kratos would be a straight barbarian, no way in hell he's multiclassed in monk

If anything, in the newer games he's barb/fighter since he wears armor more often than not

[hidden spindle]

No. Needs to be an action yo cast

[primal wolf]

Barbarian wears medium armor

[odd valley]

hm, i wonder how a musashi miyamoto style fighter build would work

[steel moth]

actual musashi, fate musashi or baki musashi

[odd valley]

like actual musashi, or maybe vagabond musashi

i haven’t read fate or baki so idk what he looks like in those stories

[steel moth]

musashi would pretend to dual wield but actually uses PAM with an oar

[odd valley]

vagabond musashi would actually dual wield

except he doesn’t dual wield for the entirety of the story

[stoic raptor]

Miyamoto musashi's philosophy would just pick whatever is the S tier/most OP class.

[short brook]

The armor Kratos wears is almost certainly not medium lol

[serene jolt]

Spell wise, do y'all think I should take Summon Beast or Summon Fey? (5.5e)

[woven flint]

Summon Fey

[serene jolt]

I'm thinking of slapping a summon on my Wildshape druid for funsies

[hidden spindle]

Both.

Summon Beast if you run out of 3rd level Spell Slots

[woven flint]

Summon Fey just does better damage overall tbh

[serene jolt]

I... Cannot do this. 🤣

I'll do Summon Fey and if I'm low/out of 3rd level spell slots, I'll just use another concentration spell.

[short brook]

That's true.

[serene jolt]

Also considering the GH Summon Plant cuz it looks cool

[woven flint]

If I reach level 10 with him
Imma take a bunch of Druid spells with my Moon Bard >:]

Again

IF... he has 12 AC atm lol

[hollow estuary]

Unfortunately for Musashi that class would be monk.

(Japanese Buddhist warrior monks (sōhei) and samurai were frequently bitter rivals between the 11th and 16th centuries)

[livid owl]

Surprised there are no official plant races in dnd

[hollow estuary]

If you wanna play as something other then a humanoid a kalashtar, warforged or autognome might be for you

[livid owl]

HAH autognome was like my second DND character believe me I know

[paper portal]

monk is not the strongest class what

[paper portal]

autognomes are so peak, they have rly cool synergy with steel defender

[livid owl]

Yessss I love Autognomes

[hollow estuary]

Not in 2014 rules.

That would be paladin

[paper portal]

not in 2024 either

its wizard in both tbh

[hollow estuary]

Okay yeah fair

Wizard is just cracked

[paper portal]

spell list the class is just so busted

[hollow estuary]

Was talking martials or half casters

Cause like wizard is like above ranking 😂

[paper portal]

out of those id still probably call artificer the best in 2024 tbh, paladin is close though

[woven flint]

To make something strong, the player behind it must be strong minded 🧐

[paper portal]

truth nuke

thats why my brain can bench press 100 kg

[hollow estuary]

Real

[kind torrent]

Unless the DM makes you start at lvl 1

Then you're cooked

[hollow estuary]

Hit them with the dual scimitar 3 attacks per round barbarian build 👍 🔥

[stable kiln]

howdy

[paper portal]

thats why you can start with a level in cleric :3 but yeah straight wizard can struggle a bit in early t1

[hollow estuary]

Or artificer

[kind torrent]

Hit em with the 1d4

Question for y'all

[paper portal]

true im used to 2014, arti is stronger in 24 and does kinda fit the vibe better imo

[kind torrent]

Which Blood Curse is aight for a Blood Hunter?

[hollow estuary]

Hit them with the nat 1 on death save

[kind torrent]

Gotta love it

[hollow estuary]

Marked or Eyeless

[kind torrent]

Aight I chose Marked

[hollow estuary]

Lowkey I haven't rolled a death save in so long

[faint bridge]

#looking-for-dm

[hollow estuary]

Artificer wizard is the most broken multiclass in the game.

1 level in it gives you armor and shields + healing and guidance and also doesn't make you lose out on any spell slots due to how multiclassing works

[paper portal]

yep lol

[short brook]

I wonder when we'll get another class

[kind torrent]

P hard to think of a new class atp

[short brook]

Officially at least

That's sad to hear

[paper portal]

never cus they stopped releasing books for the good edition /silly

[short brook]

I haven't played on older editions, everybody always talking about the glory days

I definitely want to when I get the chance

[hollow estuary]

What is the name of the dungeon in tomb of horrors 🤔 🙏

[crimson gulch]

It's the tomb of horrors

[short brook]

lol

[paper portal]

i was talking about 5e tbh i havent played old editions either

[hollow estuary]

Real

[crimson gulch]

Tomb of anhilliation has the tomb of the 9 gods

[severe rampart]

What's a fun oneshot to run

[crimson gulch]

All my one shots are custom, I just come up with a problem and a victim to point at the problem and be like help

[hollow estuary]

Can we send acererak back to oerth please?

[severe rampart]

Yeah problem is the oneshots I make typically become two or three shots

[crimson gulch]

Plan less

[severe rampart]

Improvise more?

[hollow estuary]

When I run a one shot but end up drinking 5 shots and summon the vodka dragon to tpk my party.

(joking)

[crimson gulch]

Yes

[severe rampart]

hmmm

[hollow estuary]

Improvising is pretty good ye

[severe rampart]

if I improvise too much I feel it'll make it a bit nonsensical

[idle oar]

Check out Sly Flourishe's Lazy DM guides - they have some free stuff online but also you can buy their PDFs for a fairly reasonable cost.

It has some good tips on how to improve your DM prep time and lean into the improvisation while still having reasonable guides for directing the campaign.

[severe rampart]

thanks! gonna check it out

[idle oar]

Here's a link to a really good base overview document: https://slyflourish.com/lazy_gm_resource_document.html

[hollow estuary]

aint their a advertising channel?

[merry sigil]

is there any way to stop addiction of dnd?

I'm super addicted

[hollow estuary]

Roll a wisdom save and pray.

[merry sigil]

😂 alr

17

[hollow estuary]

based.

[idle oar]

There is (#dnd-advertisements) but I'm also providing a useful resource in answering someone's question.

[rough basalt]

One shots don't really need to make too much sense

[hollow estuary]

Well, your a mod you probably know what your doing.

whatever you say boss.

[idle oar]

A problem for the D&D party to resolve in 3 hours...

[hollow estuary]

Replayable dungeons would be cool.

[rough basalt]

Problem, and a place

[hollow estuary]

Like when you enter a room you roll for whats in it and its layout and stuff. with like set ending rooms nad checkpoints

[round mountain]

Get the mcguffin from the SMBNNG (Small moderately bad not nice guy)

[severe rampart]

The oneshot that I've designed a month ago, never really resolved it

Party is captured from different parts of the world through conquest of a powerful kingdom who thinks of themselves as higher beings, the party then find themselves in this arena, being forced to fight abominations and other captured creatures for their lives, or until they die from exhaustion

[idle oar]

That would be a random encounter + a random dungeon room table - and very doable.

[woven flint]

Wait a minute
Marinie pfp spotted

[round mountain]

Hi

[woven flint]

Henlo

[round mountain]

Hemlo

Mareanie cute

[hollow estuary]

It would be hilarious if their was like a fantasy terrorist faction whos entire main goal is to bring creatures of mass destruction to major cities.

Like giving a kraken directions to waterdeep.

[round mountain]

I like this premise

[hollow estuary]

or like with scrolls of titan summoning

call em like "The Doombringers" or smth

[umbral girder]

Well krakens are very intelligent sapient beings. I don’t think they’d like to be given orders.

[hot marlin]

Considering how smart krakens are, I don't think they need someone to give them directions to Waterdeep

[rough basalt]

Yeah they're some of the smartest beings around that aren't gods.

[halcyon forum]

Yeah I think a kraken would most likely know where Waterdeep is, and stay away from it on purpose

[rough basalt]

Yeah that's what I was about to say

They'd know it'd be a death sentence to attack waterdeep

[halcyon forum]

good way to die is to threaten that city full of archmages

[hot marlin]

And even if a particularly powerful kraken had the ability to attack Waterdeep, why?

What's there to gain?

[rough basalt]

Tromokratis if you pull him out of Theros might but he'd get whooped too.

[halcyon forum]

now, a tarrasque or some really big elemental, that could work

[umbral girder]

Sick Mythal to play with.

[halcyon forum]

they would lose too, but they are not smart enough to stay away

[hot marlin]

It's a dragonward, it's not exactly useful

[rough basalt]

Elemental Cataclysm and a Tarrasque.

[sudden hollow]

Hey what 5e fighter subclass works best for unarmed? Rn the best I can find is rune knight.. but only giants might workes with unarmed strikes, the rest require weapons

[rough basalt]

Add a Colossus too

[short brook]

Battlemaster, no?

[umbral girder]

You mean the other monster that rivals their strength in the world?

[halcyon forum]

Champion, Battlemaster should have enough maneuvers

[sudden hollow]

Champion buffs weapon attacks😭

[short brook]

Battle master can use maneuvers with unarmed

[hot marlin]

I mean yes, but that's no reason to attack Waterdeep, that's just a reason to make yourself a lair in Waterdeep

It's not something you can "play with"

[umbral girder]

No room. Undermountain blocking that.

[sudden hollow]

I jave never looked at battle master the maneuvers always confused me but ill look into it

[hot marlin]

It just makes Waterdeep a good temporary hideout when you're warring with a dragon

[umbral girder]

Yeah who’d need a hide out for world shaping demigods who can fly and swim?

[woven flint]

Yeah, that's a problem to me because Krakens are actually intelligent creatures lol

[hot marlin]

Yeah, of course you can use it to hide. But that is no reason to attack the city

Quite the opposite, in fact

[rough basalt]

If a Kraken is willingly attacking Waterdeep you have a huge problem and it's not the Kraken.

It's whatever gave it a reason to do so

[woven flint]

They have 22 int apparently, so if a Kraken is attacking Waterdeep someone probably convinced it

Then again, they are.. Chaotic Evil

[last marlin]

You probably want Satyr or something else with an innate unarmed attack for your race. First thought for me is battlemaster though yeah. Would Psi Warrior work? I haven't read it over in a good while

[sudden hollow]

No it boosts weapons too

[short brook]

Fighters get unarmed fighting, 1d6 i believe

[halcyon forum]

I think if a kraken wanted something in waterdeep, or sought its destruction, it would raise a cult and warlocks first

[rough basalt]

If they're in the mood for chaos they'll just destroy a couple ships

[umbral girder]

Waterdeep can’t even stop a crazy wizard owning a death dungeon under its city.

[sudden hollow]

Yes as a fighting style. The issue is subclasses are super weapon focused. So you basically never use your subclass

And its a 1d when you are truly unarmed

[halcyon forum]

its fine to have a death dungeon, as long as the city is not threatend by its existence

[sudden hollow]

1d8*

[short brook]

2024 right?

or 14?

[sudden hollow]

14

[last marlin]

I think I'd take a race with unarmed strike abilities and then a more useful fighting style

[sudden hollow]

He is a grappler and grappling sucks in 5.5e

[rough basalt]

What

[last marlin]

Is your table open to HB

[sudden hollow]

No

And we need to stick as close to core as possible

[rough basalt]

I see that take a lot but it never fails to make me feel like I'm having an out of body experience.

[short brook]

hmmm yeah battle masters maneuvers i think in 14 don't specify on unarmed attacks so maybe not, we should probably move this to #character-discussion

[idle oar]

Don’t forget we have specific channels for character build discussion - see #character-discussion and #optimization

[last marlin]

Puh

[idle oar]

Please use them

[last marlin]

Yea I'd say character discussion

[halcyon forum]

people really liked the expertise and advantage on grapples. I dont blame them

[rough basalt]

I think it being actually good for martials is better

Rather than something a Bard can do better than you at

[halcyon forum]

I dont get that take, everyone could get expertise for cheap

[idle oar]

What’s one of your favorite not-typically-taken-by-others feats?

[halcyon forum]

and the barb was still a better grappler than a bard afterwards, thanks to adv and STR bonus

[rough basalt]

And every martial can get good value out of grapple and the new grappler feat that's better value.

[halcyon forum]

except grapples are like coin flips now

[rough basalt]

Coin flips that give a stronger condition

[halcyon forum]

so its only better value if you land it

[rough basalt]

And can burn through LRs

For free.

[umbral girder]

Charger is a fun feat.

[halcyon forum]

Id rather have the higher chance to land the weaker condition

like, I prefer mind whip over hold person

[rough basalt]

I just don't see the value of all that investment just to make someone have 0 speed

[umbral girder]

Ah yes a significantly lower level spell with a different saving throw stat. Good comparison.

[halcyon forum]

you still can do a lot with AoE damage like spirit guardians and spike growth in 5.0

[rough basalt]

Like why is the dm not just killing the grappling bard.

[halcyon forum]

yeah grappling bards suck

grappling fighters and barbs is where its at

with rogue levels

[rough basalt]

Yeah so a lot of investment to basically do nothing.

[short brook]

I'm not sure if it's been taken a lot but Brawny is my favorite

[halcyon forum]

abusing aoe spells is not nothing, its the best use for grapple in 5.5 too

[rough basalt]

Tho ig in '14 monsters were useless and helpless until later on.

[rough basalt]

Yeah and grapple can also be used to make someone forced to attack you in 5.5 cause the condition is better

[halcyon forum]

grapples cant force anyone to attack

[short brook]

Can't a monk literally just nab somebody

with grappler

[rough basalt]

'24 grappled gives disadvantage on attacks against anyone but the grappler

So effectively they aren't much of a threat to anyone.

[halcyon forum]

thats not forcing, and breaking the grapple is easier

[rough basalt]

Also Monks being able to use dex for grappling

[halcyon forum]

24 grapple condition is slightly better than 14, but its much less likely to happen

or to stick

[short brook]

if i'm being honest, grapple being a contested check is infinitely more fun than the save

[rough basalt]

I've seen it happen and stick a lot

And the best part? The martial can just do it. He doesn't need all those levels and expertise

[halcyon forum]

a Monk with expertise and 8 STR probably still has a better chance to land a grapple in 14 than a 24 monk just using their DEX for the save

you literally only need 1 level in rogue or a half feat

the investment is minimal

[rough basalt]

Ye but that grappled person can still nuke your ally.
It's a team game.

[lean wigeon]

finally playing in a 5e game again after like
many years i think

[short brook]

Thats awesome

[prime basin]

its been 2 and a half years for me and I still haven't gotten a game in yet...good luck to your game!

[halcyon forum]

a grappled person in 5.0 can do about the same as one in 5.5 in most cases. slightly worse at melee attacks if your ally is even in reach

[rough basalt]

It's all attack rolls

[halcyon forum]

ranged attack rolls have disadvantage anyway, in both scenarios

[lean wigeon]

ime making friends in smaller ttrpg communities makes it significantly easier to find games

at least half of the games i've been in have mostly been a result of me knowing someone in some discord server

[rough basalt]

No they don't

[halcyon forum]

enemy in 5 ft

[rough basalt]

There's nothing about that

That's only for melee monsters cause naturally they're 5ft always

[lean wigeon]

or on r/lfgmisc

[halcyon forum]

the grappler is next to the grappled monster, so all ranged attacks have disadvantage

[rough basalt]

Sounds like a houserule

[halcyon forum]

its RAW lmao

[rough basalt]

Not seeing it

All I'm seeing is DMs saying they'd houserule it that way on older posts for grapple just being a movement speed debuff cause they wanted to make it better.

[halcyon forum]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/playing-the-game#RangedAttacksinCloseCombat

[rough basalt]

Why would your Wizard be in close combat?

[halcyon forum]

because he is grappled by your grappler?

[rough basalt]

I'm talking your ally wizard why are you holding your own ally in an aoe?

[halcyon forum]

I was always talking about monsters attacking your allies

what where you talking about?

you said, 5.5 grapple stopped monsters from nuking others

[rough basalt]

I thought you were holding your own Wizard in the aoe.

[halcyon forum]

why?

I didnt even say the word wizard

[rough basalt]

Cause you could?

[ebon apex]

Heya I was wondering, can paladins take oathes and gain the benefits of that oath without being directly connected to a god?

[halcyon forum]

but this discussion was always about what the grappled condition does to enemies???

[rough basalt]

I thought it was you grapple your ally cause they ask you to help out more rather than just bear hug one enemy in the corner.

[jolly canyon]

Absolutely. Can have an oath to a cause or theme or personal belief.

[halcyon forum]

could you please stop making these scenarios up?

[rough basalt]

Yeah. I got wrong somewhere but I didn't wanna admit it.
But 5es grapple is at most a 3/10 and I'm glad it got changed.

[ebon apex]

Alright so an oath taken directly to spite a god/gods can still work (With the possible negative side effects of spiting the gods)

[jolly canyon]

Yup!

[ebon apex]

Amazing, thank you kindly for the help!

[halcyon forum]

like, first of all you can grapple at least two enemies at a time, second the main things grapple does are unchanged.

• 0 speed
• can be dragged around into AoEs
• disadv on all ranged attacks

these are all true for 5.0e grapple and 5.5e grapple

5.5 adds a few extras, like the disadvantage on melee vs the grappler's allies but its not a big difference in effect.

the big change is your chance to succeed on a grapple

[rough basalt]

Well the other big change is martials can burn LRs without using resources

Which makes them able to be better team players

[halcyon forum]

I would say that maybe burning LRs (if the monster is not too big) is worse than just succeeding on the grapple

[rough basalt]

How so? If it doesn't have LRs your casters can use the encounter ending spell

[halcyon forum]

dont forget a monster with LRs is very likely to have at least one exceptional stat in STR or DEX

well with the auto success on the 5.0e grapple, I can just drag the monster around and do damage or stop it from moving around, flying away etc

[rough basalt]

But you had to optimize into what's supposed to be a general option for melees to achieve a moderate result in some cases.

[halcyon forum]

its fine if you like 5.5e grapple more btw, I see the appeal, but I hope maybe you can see why people might prefer the older version?

[rough basalt]

I don't

[halcyon forum]

I guess then it cant be helped. kinda wild you cant see the obvious benefits as I explained them multiple times.

and really, i dont think a half feat or one level dip is "optimizing"

[rough basalt]

I go off of my experiences which is the only times I saw 2014 grapple be used and good is when the DM buffed it.

Indirectly, I believe.

[halcyon forum]

okay well I saw plenty of examples of it being used RAW and being very useful

we cant just go of our limited experiences

[rugged hawk]

That's literally how existence works

[halcyon forum]

well science was invented because thats better

[rugged hawk]

Science was never 'invented'. Magic took on a religion-friendly name, is all.

[halcyon forum]

????

[idle oar]

Sure but this isn't science - it's a game. And there's a lot of subjectivity when it comes to having fun, games, and playing games.

[halcyon forum]

what does science have to do with magic

[rough basalt]

Cause humans used to believe that science was magic

[paper portal]

hi optimization mentioned whats happening

[halcyon forum]

I am saying that basing one's opinion of the effectiveness of something only one your own experiences will lead to biased and faulty results

[rugged hawk]

Science == magic. That's literally the whole basis of wizards

[idle oar]

Anyway let's get back to D&D but ultimately what may be good in one context may not be good in another context.

[rough basalt]

I like '24 grapple cause it doesn't require investment to be good and it's feat makes it better rather than worse.

[paper portal]

any sufficently advanced science will appear to be magic or however that quote goes

[rough basalt]

Yep

[prime basin]

humans believe that stuff they can't explain can be something like magic

[halcyon forum]

discussion of 5.0e grapple vs 5.5e grapple

[paper portal]

i like 5e more cus everything is better in 5e /silly

[halcyon forum]

that is technology, not science

[rough basalt]

The first electric lights were magic to people cause nobody could understand how a simple flick of the finger could light a torch that didn't need replaced or replenished within a day or two

[rugged hawk]

Ultimately, science and magic are the same thing: an attempt to understand the fundamental forces / energies and manipulate / exploit them.

[errant whale]

is 5e 2014 and 5.5e 2024?

[idle oar]

Yeah there was a recent renaming due to WoTC deciding to align with what the community was calling it

[rugged hawk]

Now if only WotC decided to align with 4e lore being the WoW expac no one asked for

[jolly canyon]

Sup Tac. I'm Taz. Nice to meet you!

[rugged hawk]

4e lore was basically DnD's version of the corpo-pushed Panda expac every freakin game had to have and no one asked for after Kung Fu Panda hit the screens

[scenic zinc]

I will hear no slander of pandaria. That was a great expansion.

[rough basalt]

At the end of the day it is subjective. Personally I'll never see the appeal of old grapple

[rough basalt]

it is a good expansion

[rugged hawk]

it is an expansion

[rough basalt]

it finally made the game playable by adding the true end all be all of species /j

[paper portal]

what even is the difference

[rough basalt]

2024 Grapple is better at being a generalized tool for all strength martials and monk, as well as has a good specialize feat, 2014 requires more investment and avoiding its specialized feat to be good to great on a few melees, with some outliers being better than the average martial at it.
Basically I just think that a base tool is best as a generally good tool with some good value specializing rather than a Monk needing to go Strength, and a rogue multiclass to be better at grappling than a rogue with its specialized feat not helping much at all, arguably hurting you actually

[fossil hollow]

Dunno about all melees (stares at DEX melee builds)

[rough basalt]

ye corrected myself

Basically lets strength martials have a nice free option to ruin someones day with some counterplay to make it fair.

[eager marsh]

laughing in monk

[fossil hollow]

Also works real well for keeping monsters close if they didnt Disengage (since you can grapple as an OA)

[fossil hollow]

Too lazy to mention monk, its assumed

[crimson gulch]

If you have a free hand

[fossil hollow]

that too

[umbral girder]

The temptation to throw another 3 Death Knight Aspirants at my party

[fossil hollow]

do it

[umbral girder]

This time Horizon doesn’t have a 7th level slot

[fossil hollow]

Oh, its Eve of Ruin, dont do it

[umbral girder]

That’s true the Drow raiding party is hard enough.

[random sphinx]

Dude my fricken club sponsor bought dry erase books that are maps

They're so awesome

[umbral girder]

Level 16 party, it’s probably fine /jk

[tough sandal]

Today, I intend to put my players against themselves.
I preemptively called the session Clair de Lune.
I am being as obvious as I possibly can be. I am going insane. :D

Subtle foreshadowing at its maximum!!

[warm blaze]

How do I make like a charachter sheet

[tame saffron]

Like creating the template yourself or creating a character?

[woven flint]

Me when my Fighter misses 3 pur of his 4 attacks with action surge 😔

[tame saffron]

Oof

Thats rough

[severe rampart]

just simulated the battle between my Players and the encounter I was planning, yeah, 10/10 very deadly

In the simulation I rolled numerous natural 20s so no casualties there

[tame saffron]

What level?

[severe rampart]

5 level 3 players

[tame saffron]

Oh dang thats almost like my group. I have 8 level 4 players.

[paper portal]

reminds me i was gonna count up the encounters in the second part of PotA that im gonna make ppl play :3

[tame saffron]

Combat is... very slow...

[severe rampart]

the encounter ended in
1 hp, 4 hp, 3 hp, 4 hp, downed

[severe rampart]

5 players is the sweet spot

[tame saffron]

Yeah, i work as a dm though so i cant really say no to new players who want to learn.

[umbral girder]

Great sword user sounds.

[severe rampart]

Could you true strike greatsword if you can't use greatswords properly

[fossil hollow]

Still need two hands and proficiency to TS

[warm blaze]

I have a design, some art and basic details figured out, I just need (at least from what I've heard) like a little chart that has like statistics/a moveset on it? idk I'm new 😭

[severe rampart]

Well, a chicken just crossed into my room, better time than any to start that oneshot I wanted to do

[cobalt escarp]

this should be moved to #dnd-newcomers

[paper portal]

was reading through princes of the apocalypse and it turns out this is actually the best dnd module

(one enemy in one of the encounters has a trident of fish command)

[swift drift]

Hi, new to the server 👋🏻

[cobalt escarp]

hellos

[paper portal]

welcome new member

[rugged hawk]

Princes of the Apocalypse is great, aye. I've actually combined it with Ghosts of Saltmarsh as a lead-in to it, since GoS is right on the ocean and a prime target for Water Element related evil

[severe rampart]

It's Aquaman

[meager fractal]

DM tonight killed two PCs and reduced two more (including my Rouge) to single digit health. Scary, high level session tonight.

[rugged hawk]

Time to melt some traitorous dice

[crimson gulch]

Nice, I killed 1 and downed 3 last night

[paper portal]

trident of fish command allows you to command bears :3

[prime pewter]

Yall! Should my stars druid be aasimar or tiefling? I'm leaning towards aasimar

[tame saffron]

So im prepping an orc camp encounter/raid. My players have decided to help an ancient blue dragon, and they need to eradicate these orcs. Im thinking of having 3 orcs and 3 goblins at the entrance, inside the entrance 2 bugbears, and 4 orcs along with a dire wolf.

And thats all ive got so far. Besides loot thats already covered. They can choose to go loud or silent.

[severe rampart]

Bears are my favorite types of fish

[umbral girder]

You’d lose your PB bonus but yeah you can.

[crimson gulch]

I need someone to explain this one to me

[prime pewter]

Bears like fish

(I think)

[paper portal]

trident of fish command affects anything with a swim speed which includes most bears

[umbral girder]

Wait no

[prime pewter]

Ohh nvm

[umbral girder]

True strike requires proficiency in the weapon now

[paper portal]

therefore bears are fish

[severe rampart]

it does??

[fossil hollow]

Draconians are fish

[halcyon forum]

everything is fish, because fish as a term is badly defined

[prime pewter]

I originally drew em as a Tiefling, but it's an easy fix (their horns are similar to a halo)

[prime basin]

Sea dragon is really just a fish

[umbral girder]

Yeah 2024 specifies a weapon you are proficient in

[rugged hawk]

Actually, that'd affect Eyes of the Deep as well. Controllable beholders!

[meager fractal]

I'd say aasimar. It just fits

[umbral girder]

You can still cast True strike on a two handed weapon also

Because moving the material component instead of your hands counts for Somatic components per the PHB (both)

[paper portal]

bears are fish both irl and dnd, its just a fact of reality that bears are fish

[halcyon forum]

humans are fish too

[paper portal]

not in dnd

[halcyon forum]

true

[severe rampart]

I hate that, hiccups

It's great you can gaslight yourself to stop hiccuping

[paper portal]

no hiccups is cus we're descended from fish

but we are also just fish

[severe rampart]

yes that's my point

[cobalt escarp]

according to california, bees are also fish

[halcyon forum]

not the bees!

[stable kiln]

im tryna think of my one-shot and my brain is slowly melting with how to do it

[paper portal]

fish dont actually have a taxonomical definition its just kinda anything we call a fish is a fish

[severe rampart]

true dat

[paper portal]

same as vegetables

[severe rampart]

thank you fish

[cobalt escarp]

fish is a social construct

[halcyon forum]

fish is the ultimate "when you see one you know it" kind of thing

[stable kiln]

fish

[severe rampart]

Thats a pretty cool fish

[paper portal]

pretty much lol but that means technically bears can be fish

[severe rampart]

but bears don't have gills

[paper portal]

who says fish need gills

[severe rampart]

me :)

[cobalt escarp]

neither do bees

are you a fish?????

[halcyon forum]

are gills a defining feature of fish?

[paper portal]

i am

[severe rampart]

"Humans are fish"

[paper portal]

there are fish without gills,

[cobalt escarp]

right

[cerulean monolith]

California defines fish as an invertebrate iirc

[halcyon forum]

and amphibia with gills

[severe rampart]

"Behold a fish!" holds up spider

[rugged hawk]

Imagine taking California's judgement on anything when everything is supposedly a source of cancer

[cobalt escarp]

plato or someone like that refrence

[severe rampart]

Diogenes