dnd-discussion

[turbid sand]

true

i mean u can tame it

[clear goblet]

You can, doesn't mean you will

[fossil shuttle]

Doesn't mean you won't either

[hollow estuary]

Do you want me to start from VERY beginning?

This will require:

Level 11.
Good standing with two factions
5 artifacts (easy to get)
and gathering some dragons (also pretty easy)
500,000 gold (the hard part)
Do you want me to start from renown or do you have it covered.

It takes about 150 days to get 50 renown with one faction

[turbid sand]

" also pretty easy "

alright

[weary palm]

have you tried selling goblins

[hollow estuary]

yeah actually thats part of this

[clear goblet]

That implies that you have enough goblins to sell
Hense why the gold is the hard part

[hollow estuary]

I mentioned you'de have to be evil for this because it involves the sacrifice of 500 innocents, cooperation with two evil factions, and if you wanna speed it up, Horrific levels of slavery.

[clear goblet]

😟

[hollow estuary]

If you have any friends playing with you, give them a content warning, this is going to split the party.]

[paper portal]

hi chat im gonna eat breakfast

[clear goblet]

Hope breakfast goes well (your kitchen is now a wild magic zone for the next hour)

[hollow estuary]

What part of it do you think Youll struggle with.

[turbid sand]

getting the dragons

without orb what can we do

[tawny bramble]

does anyone know any play by post groups

[hollow estuary]

(My notes sound like AI im sorry)

RED — Themberchaud

Location: Gracklstugh, the City of Blades, deep in the Underdark. He's the Wyrmsmith, the duergar's captive forge-dragon who keeps their Great Forge burning. He's adult, fat, paranoid, and the Keepers of the Flame are secretly planning to replace him with a younger wyrm.
Approach: This is actually a recruitment angle. Themberchaud is already suspicious of his handlers. A party that reveals the Keepers' betrayal could leverage his rage into cooperation — or at minimum lure him to the surface. Alternatively, the Cult of the Dragon has historically offered dracolichdom to dragons as a bargaining chip. Themberchaud's paranoia about being replaced makes him uniquely susceptible to promises of immortality.
Complication: Getting an enormous dragon out of the Underdark. You'd need a route through the massive caverns or a gate spell.

[turbid sand]

you can find it at #looking-for-players

[hollow estuary]

The next part involves bowing down to a far greater evil then yourself, don't worry. you will have committed atrocities that will make you ten times as infamous as her by the end of this but for now.

[turbid sand]

this sounds hardcore

[hollow estuary]

Location: Her lair is a buried amphitheater in the Anauroch Desert, specifically in the ruins of Ascore. She's an ancient blue dragon who spent the adventure disguised as a storm giant advisor, destabilizing the Ordning.

First off since your 50 renown with the cult of the dragon, YOUR A WYRMSPEAKER!

Speaker of purple! Cool right?

Iymrith is smart, and oh boy shed be totally in for her will to be spoken in the well of dragons.

shed also give you a free feat (gift of the chromatic dragon)

[turbid sand]

wait fr?

[hollow estuary]

Yeh.

and she can teleport you back to the well so you dont need to walk

where she can then be slaughtered and turned into a dracolich!

2/5 dragons down

or actually you need her alive

[turbid sand]

i mean we neee them to be alive

[hollow estuary]

Okay then, Send a puppet to

GREEN — Claugiyliamatar, "Old Gnawbone"

Location: Kryptgarden Forest, northwest of Waterdeep along the Sword Coast. She's an ancient green who hoards knowledge as much as gold and is known to scry obsessively using a collection of crystal balls.

Approach: Old Gnawbone is arguably the most "reasonable" of the five.

She trades in information and has even been known to work with adventurers when it suits her. The play here is transactional, she'd want something of immense informational value. Offering her access to Thayan ritual secrets, or a guaranteed scrying link to the summoning itself (witnessing a god's arrival would be irresistible to her), could seal it.
Complication: She's the most likely to betray you mid-ritual if she calculates a better outcome. You'd need contingencies.

Iymrith is not gonna be pleased by this but im sure you can manage

Then go to the mere of dead men.

Voaraghamanthar

The twins are territorial and cruel but also unusually cunning for black dragons. Their magical ambitions are the hook. The Cult of the Dragon could offer them arcane knowledge from the Red Wizards, or the ritual itself could be framed as a source of magical power they could siphon. You only technically need one twin for the ritual, but the other would follow, they're inseparable.

The Mere of Dead Men is a nightmare to navigate, full of undead, lizardfolk, and bullywug tribes that serve the twins. And if you offend one twin, you've got two ancient-adjacent dragons hunting you.

[north solstice]

Anyone have a dnd campaign on dnd beyond?

[hollow estuary]

ye. You need content sharing?

[north solstice]

I’m looking for a campaign to join

[turbid sand]

they could betray?

oh my god

[cursive fox]

check in #looking-for-players

[hollow estuary]

Yes. He's an adult black dragon with a secret, he has an identical twin brother, Waervaerendor, and the two operate as one dragon to confuse enemies. Both are also dabbling in magic, which is unusual for blacks.

[turbid sand]

would i even survive when all of the dragons betray?

[hollow estuary]

Yeah. You wont dont worry, Dragons are really easy to kill.

Im sure you know that.

• you wont be alone

[fast latch]

What type of magic, arcane, divine, or primordial?

[last tundra]

did anyone watch legens of vox machina here?

[jolly canyon]

Lil bit but I wanna finish it

[last tundra]

im really curious like what class persival is 😭

[paper portal]

it was a while ago so ive mostly forgotten it tbh

[last tundra]

is he an artificier?

[fast latch]

It’s awesome

[turbid sand]

i mean sure but 🥹

[paper portal]

artificer yeah

[last tundra]

ikr

[hollow estuary]

The Twins do arcane magic, if thats what your asking.

[fast latch]

No magic

He’s a homebrew Fighter

[turbid sand]

what?

[last tundra]

homebrew fighter? oh.. that makes sense 😭

[turbid sand]

hes a gunslinger isnt he?

[paper portal]

oh right gunslinger i forgot lol

[last tundra]

he was my fav character and i got so sad when he died icl

[paper portal]

even though you can do like the same stuff as arti lol

[turbid sand]

but gunslinger got grit

[hollow estuary]

WHITE — Arauthator, "Old White Death"

Location: Oyaviggaton, a massive iceberg fortress in the Sea of Moving Ice, north of the Sword Coast. His lair is carved into the berg itself, and he's served by a tribe of Ice Hunters on the iceberg's surface.

Approach: He's already connected to the Cult of the Dragon through his mate Arveiaturace, and he appeared in the Tyranny of Dragons storyline. Direct cult authority, backed by the assembled Mask of the Dragon Queen, should be enough to compel his participation. Whites respect displays of dominance.

Complication: The Sea of Moving Ice itself is the obstacle. Ships, wind walk, or allied frost giants for transport. His iceberg lair also shifts position constantly.

[paper portal]

so do i irl thats not a flex /silly

[fast latch]

Artificers have spellcasting

Percy can’t spellcast

He’s a Fighter

[turbid sand]

no like, grit points

[paper portal]

i know lol

[last tundra]

wasnt he a warlock in the first season tho? kinda?

that revenge demon thing

he worshiped it unknowingly

[fast latch]

He couldn’t cast Eldritch Blast

Automatically not a Warlock

[jolly canyon]

Fightlockslinger with a mask 😷

[last tundra]

then how u gotta explain that demon thing in D&D terms 😭

[hollow estuary]

What, this is the weakest one actually.

[last tundra]

a curse?

[turbid sand]

i know but, its a lot.. of.. exploring

not including disturbance of some factions

[hollow estuary]

Buy teleports yo 👍

[turbid sand]

we are too broke

[hollow estuary]

anyway the hard parts kinda over.

500,000 GP. Raid Waterdeep's vaults, sack a duergar treasury, or, if the Cult is at full strength, pool existing cult tribute. Dracolich hoards from previously converted dragons are also fair game.

oh by now your already at villain rep with the lords alliance and hunted rep with order of the gauntlet

however your also at hero with cult of the dragon and ally with thay so it balances out

[turbid sand]

i see

[hollow estuary]

Phase 3 — The Sacrifices. 500 mortals. Cult cells across the Sword Coast have been raiding villages for this exact purpose throughout both Tyranny modules. Alternatively, one well-placed raid on a city like Baldur's Gate during a festival solves this in a single night. Dark, but that's the Cult's playbook.

[sullen kite]

i changed my display for a funny gag and changed it back, had an extremely bad onset of chills so bad I could hardly move (I’m extremely sick) and then checked several hours later only for that to happen

funny idea for a character actually revolving something like this

everything they do, whether intentional or unintentional, has a random chance to go horribly wrong for no reason, and I don’t mean like normal checks, I mean talking to another party member at a tavern

[turbid sand]

i aint doing that

[paper portal]

wild magic sorc?

[turbid sand]

thats way too evil

[hollow estuary]

Its how the cult summons tiamat.

You can kill criminals, dosent need to be innocents

[turbid sand]

on where do i find 500 criminals

and keep a count of them until we summon tiamat

[sullen kite]

other character: “yeah so you were saying?”
roll d20, subtract 5
oh my god it’s a one WITHOUT any reduction
me: “uhh uhhh… eee ghb thbs kplbs tb?” in the voice of an alien

that would be my example

on how that would work

would be really funny as a comedy gimmick but would get really annoying

[paper portal]

reminds me of the

dead tired today so I grabbed a coffee from the gas station & the guy greeted me by trying to say "is that everything" but fumbled and said "e ga thebythin" and me trying to say "yeah" or "yup" just went "YIP!" in response. No survivors

[hollow estuary]

Go to thay. their a kingdom.

They have laws, and therefore prisoners

Albiet stupid laws and probably wrongful prisoners, but its better then fire blasting baldurs gate.

[turbid sand]

nah cuz how do i borrow them prisoners

[wet wedge]

?al

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[hollow estuary]

okay so if your a wizard by now you and thay are good enough friends for szass tam to atleast consider making you a initiate red robe.

[wet wedge]

My bad, what channel do I put that in?

[turbid sand]

alright

we goin to chill cuz we are still level 4

[hollow estuary]

Lol.

[turbid sand]

wdym by lol

we need to prepare from level 4

[grizzled lance]

if magic is your power then what are you without it

[pallid oracle]

a meat shield

[severe rampart]

Socrates uttered, setting up the Anti-Magic Zone

[vital crypt]

Guys it turns out attacking trees is never a good idea. Sometimes they fight back

The last tree I hit was a giant oak tree blight.

We are level 1-3

[frail wasp]

mmhmm

[jolly canyon]

Some trees have acid

Acid Trees if you will

[frail wasp]

strong stuff, those ones are

[vital crypt]

Ranger and druid are underrated

I love druids ❤️

I mainly use ranger and cleric though

[jolly canyon]

My favorite class even though I've never played any class

[vital crypt]

?

[jolly canyon]

DM

[vital crypt]

Oh

[prime basin]

Druids are cool, but I can't play them how I'd like to because I don't really like any of their subclasses

Not to say that their subclasses are bad of course, I just can't vibe with the theme or gameplay

So i made my own homebrew subclass

[vital crypt]

Rangers are cool. I somehow have expertise in stealth as a drow lineage elf ranger

Idk how I am so stealthy like what

It is a +8 for stealth checks

[prime basin]

8 is standard for expertise

7 if you are only using standard array or point buy

[paper portal]

depends on level

[delicate owl]

Why would you ever play an Illusionist wizard in 5.24? Cause as far as I can see, it's a pretty damn mediocre subclass lol.

[paper portal]

yeah generally your highest stat is a +3 at level 1 unless you get a lucky roll or play custom lineage

[paper portal]

the level 14 feature mostly

[prime basin]

don't think it does...if you roll a 16 or higher and put a +2 in that stat then you can have an +8 to your stat

[lethal eagle]

I’m trying to put together a game. But i cant access the looking for games area.

[severe rampart]

#find-a-game

[feral knot]

Could someone help me figure out how to make a lfp ad?

[severe rampart]

you gotta use the command

[lethal eagle]

Yeah i cant

[severe rampart]

the command /looking-for-players?

inside that channel?

[feral knot]

For me it says no permission

[severe rampart]

trying clicking the command under "Submitting a Post"

[feral knot]

Grazie

[past edge]

Hey yall, how's it going

[empty mural]

What is everyone’s favorite monsters? As in, what are people’s favorite campaign BBEGs?

[crimson gulch]

Phew, epic session just now at the shop, another player killed

[feral knot]

lich

[past edge]

I typically go with good old fashioned people for my villains. But I know that's an unsatisfying answer, so my second favorite is dragons. The BBEG of my latest campaign was a blue dragon.

[empty mural]

Surprised the answer isn’t drow. I’m good with it though!

[past edge]

They burned down a city because they were irritated that the party kept trifling in their affairs lol

[past edge]

People as in humanoids, including but not limited to drow lol. They also had a big role to play in that campaign

[severe rampart]

what happened

[hollow estuary]

Oh! What happened and what info was given to the players?

[hybrid granite]

Bit bummed Artillerists can quickly craft wands only. I suppose they don't want Artillerists to encroach Battle Smith domain in terms of quickly crafting ranged weapons, but it would've been nice if Artillerists can quickly craft other spellcasting foci too.

[coarse vector]

qucik question :Hey peeps , Im Great at fantasy politics, trade routes, geography but my main issue is naming places that dont sound dumb or/and not too complicated to recall. How do yall do it?

[hollow estuary]

a battlesmith with like a magic morter

[whole karma]

Hello people

[hollow estuary]

two sylables and sounds cool.

Like Mondar, Njin, Norma.

[hybrid granite]

I tend to name towns based on a defining feature or a historic lore attached. Like I had a town called Barrowmire in one campaign because it's in a swampy area and the area it stood had a history of war and mass graves and stuff.

[severe rampart]

What is the place themed around? what would citizens normally call it? what's the history around it?

[crimson gulch]

She got smote by a planetar

[severe rampart]

Woah, high level campaign

[crimson gulch]

She got smote by a planetar, he had devils telling him what to do so it was wild

Yeha were level 19

[coarse vector]

So like Verdelmont for like a grassy/green mountain? type thing

[hybrid granite]

If I want a place to sound exotic though, I think of something that describes the place and scramble it. 🤣 I had an ancient city called Narulnak before, which when you read from right to left says kanluran (which means West in Filipino).

[severe rampart]

Yeah

[coarse vector]

ok, i thought there was more too it or maybe i have impossible standards , thanks

[severe rampart]

I promise the players wont mind if a place sounds a little silly

I think I've heard of a DM who named an underwater city "T'Challa" on the spot, and didn't even think of Black Panther

[coarse vector]

idk what black panther is but i think that means next to be king or something in xhosa

[hybrid granite]

I feel like if it's just for a D&D campaign and you're not gonna stream it for an audience, just for personal use, just sound it out in your head and vocally and if you don't find yourself cringing saying it, it's gonna be fine

[weary palm]

how good is 18 ac

[severe rampart]

Decent, but you'll likely be hit with Save Spells

[hybrid granite]

from level 1 to 4, great. from level 5 onwards, could be better.

[weary palm]

or fire creature

[hollow estuary]

Losing to a planetar at level 19 is insane.

what class were they?

[remote wadi]

Semi related to DnD, but

Why is it that whenever I try to socialize and make great connections with people, I always seem to run into the nuts?

[weary palm]

is there even a way to increase your armor class

[severe rampart]

bad luck?

[remote wadi]

Which class?

[weary palm]

fighter

[coarse vector]

get a shield

[weary palm]

half orc if that matters

[weary palm]

i have one

[remote wadi]

Mostly by getting better armor and equipping a shield

[coarse vector]

what sub class?

[weary palm]

tf is a subclass

[remote wadi]

Wrong guy to ask

[hybrid granite]

depends on class yeah. fighters, if strength type, can get to 20 with a shield. dex types are a bit limited, but shield is always good if you're not dual wielding or using a bow.

[coarse vector]

lol

[severe rampart]

Uh quick question, please don't be offended but have you read the free rules of D&D?

[coarse vector]

what level are you

[weary palm]

aside from looking at some weapon types and classes in the handbook my dm has no

[weary palm]

4

[remote wadi]

So, a subclass is something that characters get that makes them more focused on a certain task.

For example, a Champion Fighter will be able to land critical hits more often and perform better at physical tasks

[weary palm]

interesting

what level do you unlock those

[hollow estuary]

Studded collars. They dont require attunement and give +1 to AC.

Studded Collar
Wondrous Item, Uncommon (+1), Rare (+2), or Very Rare (+3)

This collar comes in a variety of colors and sizes, all with crystalline studs decorating the outside of the collar. A Beast wearing this wondrous item gains a bonus to Armor Class and saving throws while wearing this collar. The bonus is determined by its rarity.

[remote wadi]

Although it does vary for some classes, most unlock them at level 3

[crimson gulch]

Rogue,

There was a planetar a nycanaloth and 2 arcanloths and this was the 4th battle of the day

[weary palm]

what would happen if you had over 20 armor class

[weary palm]

ohh that

yea i chose the thing that gives crits on 19s

[remote wadi]

Nothing really happens, you still become harder to hit. This mostly stems from the fact that it is very much possible to have over 20 for your total roll

[coarse vector]

3 mostly

[weary palm]

i would rather double my chance of obliterating a goblin than funny spell

[hollow estuary]

was their anything they could've done to prevent this? Cause like unless im missing something they shoulden't have suffered a casualty.

• their level 19, can they get er revived?

[remote wadi]

For example, if you're a fighter using a Warhammer with 18 strength at level 5, rolling a 19 results in a 26 total

[remote wadi]

Mmm, you're a little new to DnD I'd imagine?

[weary palm]

yea

this is literally my first campaign

[remote wadi]

I won't spoil too much about mechanics

Be sure to have plenty of fun, work with the party, and don't be afraid to ask questions

[weary palm]

the less than humble bard:

[unkempt atlas]

Oh dude im in my first campaign too! Its so much fun!

[remote wadi]

Yeah. One person just disappears before a planned session and never returns. Another snaps presumably from a lack of sleep and didn't make it easy for me

Latest one joked about how my struggles were probably from me being "weird and non-sociable". Which they did say was a joke, but that wasn't really clear atm (and I am a little bit self conscious about this sort of thing...)

[crimson gulch]

They could have rolled better on their saving throws

[remote wadi]

@weary palm @unkempt atlas Anyways, feel free to ask me or the server for questions in #dnd-newcomers . They'll be happy to help

[crimson gulch]

And yeah they revived her

I run hard games, players die alot because of the flow of combat

This is my 27th pc kill this year

[hollow estuary]

AWESOME!

Lowkey keep brutalizing them

[crimson gulch]

That's what keep them coming back

I don't throw soft balls.

[unkempt atlas]

The DM has almost killed me 8 times

[placid trail]

Hey ya'll I want people's opinion and thoughts on homebrewing a race or class with an unarmored feature or natural defense feature, using one of the following formulas. Either 13 + dex + can use shields but no armor OR 10 + dex + other stat but no armor or shields. Basing it off of the few races and classes that do get a natural armor/unarmored thing. Is it ethical to try to make a homebrewed race or class with either of these? is it too overpowered? Thoughts? Opinions?

[remote wadi]

I didn't overreact, but I wasn't really a big fan of that last one. Trying to make friends that last is already really really hard for me, I don't exactly need people poking at my failed attempts by saying it's all my fault

[hollow estuary]

Im running like a superbuffed version of white plume mountain with like level 10 pcs to start and all of them got like legendary magic items (and +3 stuff) so i can like genuinely rain hell on them constantly.

I plan for them to fight keraptis himself at the end. and oh boy that will be a tough one.

[placid trail]

they're suppose to do that, I had a dm kill my character like 3 times, I made 4 characters before the campaign ended early.

[crimson gulch]

Sweet, my level 9 party is heading there in my calimport game, i killed 3 pcs in that campaign last night

[hidden spindle]

Its not unheard of, like Lizardfolk or Loxodon so it seems rather fair to do

[remote wadi]

Monks already get 10 + Dex + Wis, with Barbs being 10 + Dex + Con and the homebrew Pugilist being 13 + Con

[remote wadi]

Oh hi

[hidden spindle]

Hi~

[remote wadi]

Whatcha up to?

[hollow estuary]

Nice! their currently fighting a starving dwarvish vampire who wields whelm (basically mjolnir without lightning) to stun them and then bite and charm them as he wills.

its getting tough N' Bloody.

[hidden spindle]

Trying to reorganize my living space but got stuck on my phone

[placid trail]

nice'

[woven flint]

Third party
Yes, its homebrew, but it's partnered homebrew

[crimson gulch]

Nice, they made enemys out of a sphinx in the first act of this campaign so hes going to be the guardian of the mountian

[placid trail]

partnered homebrew stuff is kinda in the middle of homebrewed and universally approved sourcebooks lol

like the grim hallow content

[jolly canyon]

I downed 2/3 pcs last night(one couldn't make it) and I started panicking I don't wanna tpk them so soon they clutched up tho

[placid trail]

dang

[remote wadi]

Helping out a few people here. And some other unrelated things if you wanna scroll up chat a bit

[remote wadi]

Close enough imho

[crimson gulch]

it was nearly a TPK last night for me too, i had a monologue prepared and everything

[hollow estuary]

Nice, at the start of the dungeon when they were leaving their stuff in a bank in a town near the mountain, some of the NPC's in town were like warning them dont go there, its cursed or something.

One of them even recalls seeing a pit fiend.

I thought it was cool if the entire town thought the party were fools for even trying to go within a mile of the mountain, I was right. Really good hype up.

[hidden spindle]

Nice nice. Keep up the good work. I better resume cleaning 👋

[crimson gulch]

one of the players that died last night, caught a revivify, the partys only diamond. and then they found the deck of many things and he drew the Donjon

[jolly canyon]

My sphinx of lore sent thrm on a mission. They haven't done it yet but I'm pretty sure it's next up.

[hollow estuary]

Free bro 😭

Death after death

Golden experience requiem kinda stuff

[crimson gulch]

Natural 40 games are Deadly

[hollow estuary]

whats your favorite monster to farm for loot?

[meager fractal]

bulette

[hollow estuary]

I have a really nice level 11 aspect of tiamat farm method. its effectively a entire campaign to set up but once you got it going it gets really going

[hollow estuary]

good one

[crimson gulch]

i dont understand the question

[meager fractal]

i presume it's for a monster hunter type campaign

[hollow estuary]

As a player, do you have any good methods to get loot n' stuff?

[crimson gulch]

im not a player im a dungeon master

the best way to get loot is to go on the adventure that your DM is running

[hollow estuary]

Oh alright this question probably not for you then.

sorry

[crimson gulch]

no worries

caught me off guard is all, my players rarely know what they will find specificly in advance

they are on a journy that they discover as they go

[hollow estuary]

Oh yeah totally, Depending on the setting their is like cool spots that your guarenteed to find a magic item or two at.

Like did you know theirs a oathbow at grandfather tree if your playing a campaign set before 1485 DR?

[meager fractal]

Super tough hide - great for armor
claws are good for tearing through stuff - great for weapons
organs will probably enhance burrowing ability, earth-plane aligned gear and enhance jumping.
Teeth are probably good for daggers and such too.

Dangerous though

[hollow estuary]

Pretty cool

[crimson gulch]

ah, thats a sort of metagame thinking that does not fly at my tables

im running 6 different forgotten realms campaigns and i did not know that, or even where that tree is

[hollow estuary]

north of the Star Mounts and south of the Woods of Turlang.

[crimson gulch]

no idea where that is

[hollow estuary]

High forest, sword coast.

theirs a lot of cool things like that.

[meager fractal]

plus they swallow adventurer's whole and drag them to the depths of the earth, you could probably scavenge some good loot that way too

[crimson gulch]

i have never ran a campaign that has taken my party there

[hollow estuary]

This is a really hard one.

If you go to maelstrom you can (attempt too) kill hekaton and the storm giants there and get the wyrmskull throne and the ruling scepter required to operate it.

(Only before 1483)

though good frikin luck 😂

Like getting there is hard on its own

As Maelstrom is in.. a maelstrom 🤣

[crimson gulch]

oh i have ran SKT, they killed the evil sisters and the blue dragon and put the Serissa on the throne

[hollow estuary]

I haven't bought STK yet

Is it good?

[crimson gulch]

its mid

[meager fractal]

extremely mid

[crimson gulch]

i have ran every 5e campaign book

[hollow estuary]

Yeah I just know what the Wyrmskul throne does.

[remote wadi]

So in simple terms, they're basically out of the game

[crimson gulch]

yes, both players that died last night are introducing new player charicters next session

[silent sleet]

i think i came up with a pretty funny build involving an enspelled item

[crimson gulch]

most of my player charicter deaths in my campaigns are permanent

[remote wadi]

Remind me to play Zealot Barbarian, Wild Magic Sorcerer, Eloquence Bard, or Divination Wizard

[hollow estuary]

Oh yeah zealots are good

[crimson gulch]

why those ones?

[novel summit]

Permanent death makes a game more interesting.

[crimson gulch]

Agreed, a game with no stakes is just not interesting

[hollow estuary]

I agree.

its honestly the reason why I dont farm ysgard all day all night.

Acherons more fun.

[meager fractal]

To run giants you need to think BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG, and well they don't think BIIIIIIIIIG for the Storm King's Thunder and it falls flat.

[remote wadi]

Zealot Barb for 2014 (everything for 2014, but still), Eloquence to not screw up social interactions and unknowingly sign my death warrant, Divination Wizard for portent, and Wild Magic because if I'm living on the edge, might as well enjoy it while I can

[meager fractal]

Makes me sad that they didn't give us a rematch with the giants to go along with Bigby's tbh

[crimson gulch]

if my players ever did stop somewhere to "farm" they would lose the game. Urgency and Stakes are key, i dont just run a sandbox with no consequenses or plot

[hollow estuary]

Your a damn good dm

[remote wadi]

Eye of the beholder, I guess

[crimson gulch]

you can still screw up social interactions as a eloquence bard, Portent is good for sure, Wild magic is so fun

Zelot barb is pretty good too

[hollow estuary]

Really good.

[crimson gulch]

Thank you, i take a lot of pride in running my games well

super happy that i have been able to make it a full time gig

[remote wadi]

There's a difference between making it impossible and safety nets

[remote wadi]

And yeah. Probably one of the few times I'd want to play a Sorcadin

[crimson gulch]

Screwing up a social situation is less about a failed pursuasion check and more about offending folks in my experience

[hollow estuary]

besides ysgard is a whole nother plane, if you giving your players planar travel tools to there then honestly you deserve whatever happends to you.

Also ysgard is stuck in a loop of no-risk endless glorious war, so its pretty much like going into the prison realm, time passes different. there.

[crimson gulch]

oh I am very familiar with the general tearms of the outer plains, i have ran a bunch if planescape

[mystic wigeon]

"Every session is a combat session if you screw up bad enough"

[silent sleet]

if i have a enspelled item with the spell Wall of Force In it and take the spell simulacrum and Wall of Fire , i can give the item, have them attune to it , and that way they can maintain concentration on wall of force while i maintain concentration on wall of fire , trapping enemies in a nearly unbreakable wall , and in an area completely covered by wall of fire , basically a jumbo magic air frier lmao

[crimson gulch]

every session is a combat session in my games, on purpose

[hollow estuary]

Wow! Add me? Your cool!

[hollow estuary]

Yeah, have you seen the new renown system in forgotten realms heros of faerun?

[remote wadi]

Hmmm... how many combat encounters a long rest?

[crimson gulch]

Yes, i havent used it though. I am running a calimport game and a moonshae islands game and a Sword Coast game heavily using a lot of info from the new book though

[crimson gulch]

usualy 6 to 8

[hollow estuary]

I really like it, you can become a wyrmspeaker now, like officially and without homebrew

[remote wadi]

On the higher end, it seems

[crimson gulch]

thats the normal amount from the exp budget, most folks go to easy

[remote wadi]

If 2014 Monk wasn't a bit lackluster, I would gladly play a Mercy Monk

[crimson gulch]

thats if your dm is using that.
the plot of a game is not a system to interact with its a journy

2014 monk is a great class

[remote wadi]

Well, yeah. 3 or 4 is the better end, but there are way too many doing 1-2

[crimson gulch]

agreed, you cant challange a party with so few encounters

[remote wadi]

Never said it was terrible. Just a bit underwhelming vs 2024

[crimson gulch]

my game last night just got off a 3 session dungeon Crawl

had not long resed since the session before

[remote wadi]

Ehhh, that's primarily to stop casters from going nova

[crimson gulch]

the crawl started

exactly, few encounters makes people thing casters are OP

when when you run a game to the proper challange (or more) its the Martials that carry

[hollow estuary]

Purple Dragonspeaker just sounds badass.

i wonder what a deep dragonmask would do 🤔

[remote wadi]

In a similar vein for Rangers being terrible. It's just DMs making ultra crowded parties with few combat encounters and even fewer exploration opportunities

[crimson gulch]

Rangers are amazing

but nothing feels good when the dm is running the game poorly

[remote wadi]

They're just quite a bit dependent on a properly run campaign

[hollow estuary]

Agreed, I hate the statement that rangers are weak. If you think a class is weak, its because you are failing that class.

[crimson gulch]

everything is dependant on the game being ran well

[remote wadi]

As for 2014 Monk, it mostly just comes down to a lot of smaller things being a bit weaker

Marital Arts, SotW and PD, deflect, Sun and Moon, etc

[remote wadi]

Not to the same degree. A Ranger's versatility is far more valuable in a party of 3 than in a party of 6. Spellcasters don't have to worry nearly as much about things like this

[hollow estuary]

why do people think rangers are weak though. I lowkey dont get it.

[crimson gulch]

i could not disagree more

[rough basalt]

I find my journey as a dm pretty funny. I started out homebrewing too much, then tried to be a module official only, now I'm both

[remote wadi]

They're too used to thinking Fighters and Druids are basically direct upgrades. That, and a lot of content on YT hopped on the "Ranger bad" bandwagon for algorithm points

[remote wadi]

On what statement?

[jolly canyon]

I'm module only for now..maybe one day I'll homebrew a setting. But plenty of content I can run with some slight homebrew changes I cam use to make it my own

[hollow estuary]

I have so many multiclass builds that have ranger and ranger is like a critical piece.

Like: The Gloom Stalker / Fighter / Rogue Nuclear OptionGloom Stalker 5 / Battle Master 4 / Assassin 3. On round one of any combat where you aren't surprised, you're outputting damage that makes Paladins cry.

Gloom Stalker's Dread Ambusher gives you an extra attack with an extra 1d8 on the first round. Assassin gives you auto-crits on surprised enemies and advantage on anything that hasn't acted. Battle Master gives you Precision Attack (to guarantee Sharpshooter hits land) and other superiority dice for damage.With Crossbow Expert and Sharpshooter, your first round looks like: Attack, Extra Attack, Dread Ambusher Attack, Crossbow Expert bonus action attack, all at +10 damage from Sharpshooter. Action Surge doubles the Attack actions. Against a surprised target, everything auto-crits. You're looking at 7 attacks round one, all critting, all at +10. That's potentially 100+ damage before the enemy even rolls initiative.

[crimson gulch]

on all of it, i have seen you talk about your experience with the game, and it just does not line up with how i see things go.

[rough basalt]

Rn I was considering getting started on another country in my setting for my guide but I'm writing up an npc that offers "free" resurrections

[hollow estuary]

I will defend all classes in the sense that they are all amazing and are fundemental ways to play the game.

[rough basalt]

As part of something I'm considering adding called "Local Legends" for each region.

[remote wadi]

I am fully aware of this. But at the same time, that sort of damage is overrated. You'll still do perfectly fine taking more Ranger levels and sticking to just 3 Rogue for MC levels

[jolly canyon]

I forget. Is your setting high or low fantasy?

[rough basalt]

High

I think

[prime basin]

Ranger is a very versatile multiclass in 5.5e

[jolly canyon]

My favorite. Although I deff wanna play/run a low fantasy setting one day

[remote wadi]

I only play 5e for Ranger

[fickle heart]

Game theory-wise, that's very true. Versatility intentionally becomes weaker as a higher quantity of specializations are covered, but that lack of quantity is where versatility shines.

[crimson gulch]

Ranger was super good in 2014 as well, with a notable low point beeing the og beast master

[hollow estuary]

Dread Ambusher alone is absurd. Extra attack, extra 1d8, bonus to initiative equal to your Wisdom mod. At level 5 you're swinging three times round one, all with Sharpshooter, while most martials are still at two. Umbral Sight gives you permanent invisibility against anything relying on darkvision, which is most monsters in the game. You can't be seen, so you have advantage on attacks and they have disadvantage on you. For free. Forever.

[crimson gulch]

its so bad when a gloomstalker gets KO in the dark, the party cant see them to heal them

[prime basin]

I'm still thinking about if i want to do a Ranger/Monk/Fighter build, ranger/rogue build, or a ranger/fighter build

[hollow estuary]

Blinded is not a bad condition

you can still shoot at enemies while blinded, just at disadvantage.

"creatures cannot see, automatically fail ability checks requiring sight, have disadvantage on attack rolls, and grant advantage on attacks against them."

so your party can just walk up to you in darkness and heal you

[remote wadi]

Exactly. The larger a party gets, the more incentivized specialization becomes. Nothing wrong with being the jack of all trades, but when so many already do several things pretty well, dedicating yourself to filling in the gaps becomes harder when there's no gaps to fill to begin with

[crimson gulch]

no, all healing spells require sight on the target

[hollow estuary]

Casting Time: Action
Range: Touch
Components: V, S
Duration: Instantaneous

A creature you touch regains a number of Hit Points equal to 2d8 plus your spellcasting ability modifier.

touch

[crimson gulch]

good luck finding them

they are invisable and dying

[hollow estuary]

"The creature’s location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves."

[fickle heart]

TBF, RAW you know the locations of creatures not hiding via sound, so you'd know their space, even if you couldn't see them.

[hollow estuary]

and I checked your page you run RAW

Btw nice page and cool reviews

[remote wadi]

Couldn't a spellcaster see what weapon Ranger is using and cast Locate Object?

[crimson gulch]

ooooh cure wounds dosent require sight

[hollow estuary]

yeah thats just healing word dude.

dw tho we good

[crimson gulch]

it was in the midst of a loud battle the last time that happened

[remote wadi]

And if it's absolutely needed, Paladin could just go to a general area where they last heard Gloomstalker and cast Aura of Vitality

[crimson gulch]

no one even thought to take the search action for them

[fickle heart]

Though admittedly, this isn't a true "problem" in the sense that D&D classes weren't truly designed to not have overlap when there's 6 or 7 of them.

[hollow estuary]

Alright god damn yeah this is a party issue 😂

You can still like shoot and attack invisible creatures, just at disadvantage

[crimson gulch]

i get a lot of folks that dont take cure wounds and just have healing word as well

[remote wadi]

It isn't the biggest thing in the world, but it still is considered an issue nonetheless

My point was that many, if not all the classes have some sort of decency on the DM making choices about what the campaign will be and have. The Ranger just has a lot of minor dependencies that are easy to create

[crimson gulch]

that would work pretty well yeah

[hollow estuary]

" But being invisible doesn't mean enemies don't know where you are. Unless the invisible creature also takes the Hide action, other creatures are still aware of their general location, they can hear footsteps, breathing, movement through the air. "

[crimson gulch]

yep, im aware of all that

[lament shuttle]

Some people might not want to take cure wounds just because it's a touch spell

It's why I'm pretty sure I didn't have my cleric take it

[crimson gulch]

thought with the 2024 rules its less clear with the hide action just granting the invisiable condition

[hollow estuary]

Omfg 😭

Im so sorry let me correct myself if thats right

[fickle heart]

What I mean is that from a game design perspective, it's not a reasonable issue to account for when the problem only arises in contexts that could very reasonably be considered outliers.

[crimson gulch]

the game is resonably designed around a party of 4

6 works fine if the dm is Skilled

8 is pushing it

[remote wadi]

Aura of Vitality would also work very well. Even if they're completely invisible, you can still realistically cover about 7,000 sq ft of space should you keep enemies away and dash on your turns

[hollow estuary]

Well Tbf twilight cleric solves this issue, and makes cure wounds not nessecary.

because they can see through

@crimson gulch

so twilight cleric syncs with gloom really really well.

[crimson gulch]

yeah if light hits them they are visable

[hollow estuary]

Twilights can see through magic darkness.

[remote wadi]

Mmm, good point

[crimson gulch]

so? gloomstalkers dont create magical darkness

[hollow estuary]

sorry I ment to say they have see invis prepared

[crimson gulch]

yeah if they cast that of corse they can see it

its not impossible to work around, but its a hidden drawback to gloomstalker

[remote wadi]

I'd still say the 2 best answers for this come from Paladin

And by best, I mean cost efficient and effective

[hollow estuary]

Monks got SUPERCHARGED in 2024, and their busted now

[dark stone]

Hi guys

[remote wadi]

Locate Object and Lay On Hands can be simple, yet effective

But Aura of Vitality is basically Holy Word that doesn't require line of Sight as well and can keep a Ranger up as well due to both repeated BAs and healing 2d6 per BA

[weary palm]

is eldrich blast a good alternative to a light crossbow

[crimson gulch]

i mean, if your a warlock your not gonna be using a crossbow

[weary palm]

i have no idea what that is

[umbral girder]

The sheer confusions my players had today when the hag turned into a dinosaur.

[crimson gulch]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024

heres the basic rules of the game, there are a lot of things on the go, takeing a peek at the 10 different classes, Barbarian bard cleric Druid fighter Monk Paladin ranger rogue sorcerer warlock and wizard is a great place to start

[whole hound]

uh

i wanna host a game in this server

how do i exactly do that...?

[umbral girder]

Games aren’t played in this server

[crimson gulch]

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1070720656917938227 heres the link

[whole hound]

o

[paper portal]

eldritch blast is better than a light crossbow, assuming you have the invocations for it

[weary palm]

the what

[whole hound]

yeah it wont let me send messages in looking-for-player server

[paper portal]

warlock level 2 feature, eldritch invocations

[crimson gulch]

the link i gave you has instuctions

[remote wadi]

A crossbow is a good alternative to eldritch blast tbh

[crimson gulch]

no one can just post there, theres more steps

[weary palm]

i just robbed some dude that tried killing the party

[paper portal]

ok

[woven flint]

Until level 5

Where they get... two blasts

[paper portal]

yeah ebarb is the best resourceless damage in the game by a fair bit

at least in 2014, its closer in 24 but still best

[woven flint]

Don't need crossbow bolts when I can just fire energy bolts out my fingers

[umbral girder]

Tokii, thoughts on Hags turning into an Ankylosaurs?

[woven flint]

My Warlock never uses Eldritch Blast lol

He's too based for it

[woven flint]

Funny as shit

[paper portal]

mhm sure sweetie :3

[remote wadi]

In the future, try to ask in #dnd-newcomers

Invocations are abilities you can add to Warlocks to improve certain things. For example, a common Invocation is Agonizing Blast, which allows you to add your Charisma spellcasting modifier to Eldritch Blast damage rolls

[umbral girder]

He hits people with his mace. I know because I’m the DM.

[woven flint]

Exactly!
And occasionally sorcerous burst

[weary palm]

i take it you cant get those on wands

[woven flint]

My Celestial Warlock MOGS on undead on the daily

[paper portal]

invocations arent spells, theyre abilities you gain from being a warlock

[remote wadi]

That was a joke I tried to make because he wanted to ask if Eldritch Blast is a good alternative to a crossbow: asking if the best cantrip in the game is a good alternative to a half decent ranged weapon

[remote wadi]

Also, I feel you on that one. All my spellcasters use Lightning Bolt over Fireball for the same reason

[humble cairn]

I love reflavoring EB, though. It can be so many different things.

[lament shuttle]

I've never touched warlock, but eldritch blast is a good option it seems to have picking between light crossbow and the cantrip

[humble cairn]

I've had EB be flung daggers made of moonlight and straight up swordbeams.

[weary palm]

ok

[remote wadi]

Agreed. On my Divination Wizard's shortly lived campaign, in learned EB and reflavored it to be tendrils from a strange element

[humble cairn]

My Fathomless Warlock's EB are her animated hair lancing out to pierce enemies.

[umbral girder]

Time to send 3 more death knights at Tokii next Tuesday

[paper portal]

the few weapons that deal more damage than eb are very much outclassed by it in terms of range and utility

[weary palm]

axe

[humble cairn]

Warlock often is the caster that acts like a martial. Attack attack attack

[umbral girder]

Longbow with Sharpshooter/GWM

[paper portal]

probably why i like them lol

[remote wadi]

Even then, that's also pushing it a little. Light crossbow i think is 1d8 + Dex, EB is 1d10, with Agony making it + Chr

[paper portal]

afaik axe has none of those three things but i might be forgetting smth idk

[humble cairn]

Weapon Masteries do make actual weapons still interesting to use.

[weary palm]

throw the axe

[paper portal]

yeah those were one of the few 2024 features i very much agree with

[umbral girder]

Also some subclass stuff like Brutal strikes and Cunning Strikes to add onto Masteries

[paper portal]

thrown axes still have less range and unless its a handaxe their damage gets decreased by throwing

[remote wadi]

I personally wish that they made weapons more unique still. Some midieval weapons are really cool and have very great uses

[remote wadi]

Damaged is not decreased by throwing a handaxe vs using it as a melee attack. At least, not in 2014

[paper portal]

yes thats what i said

[weary palm]

the humble weapon wrap

[humble cairn]

I mean sure, always could be better, but historical accuracy is not something to be striven for. I feel trying to do that would make it less interesting.

[remote wadi]

Ohhh. Read that wrong

[paper portal]

valid youre not a dnd player if you dont read things wrong tbh

[glass granite]

I do wish versatile was a bit better personally

[remote wadi]

Well, sure. But there could have been a lot of cool ideas

[paper portal]

yeah the versatile dice increase is so small

[humble cairn]

Light Hammers are also really fun to reflavor. I've had them be brass knuckles, iron rings worn around the forearm, olympics style discuses.

[glass granite]

What do you suggest?

[paper portal]

wouldnt be broken if it just doubled the dice right

[umbral girder]

It would

[glass granite]

I assume that’s a joke?

[paper portal]

the biggest versatile weapons are 1d8 unless im tripping, doubling that is better than two handed weapons but just barely

[remote wadi]

Not really much for suggestions. Just know that there were so many wasted potentials

Like how flails were designed to attack around shield, weapons, and some armors

Flails in DnD? Not even a weapon tag

[remote wadi]

At base, yes

[paper portal]

yeah so if versatile made the dice double it would be like

pretty strong

[humble cairn]

I liked my idea that if you two hand a versatile weapon you get Reach.

[remote wadi]

Only 2 more points on average. Actually not the most important thing in the whole wide world

[paper portal]

ooh that is cool

[remote wadi]

Why was that not a feature to begin with?

[vapid pawn]

lol

[glass granite]

That’s actually not too bad an idea

[craggy summit]

This 💯 you're sacrificing 2 AC for 2 damage

[humble cairn]

Adding damage dice is not interesting. Sure mechanically it's stronger, but it's like the most boring thing to add.

[remote wadi]

It's also quite a bit counterintuitive

[glass granite]

Except it still wouldn’t give much of a reason use them over polearms that already have reach no? And also using two hands shortens range irl iirc

[remote wadi]

Like how Barb gets brutal critical, but no ways to buff crit chance

[paper portal]

doubling the dice definitely helps give the two handing more oomph even if it is kinda boring

[remote wadi]

Uhhhh... I don't think 2 hands decreases range

[humble cairn]

I dunno, but Weapon Mastery is already a good change. I don't honestly waste time thinking about the "wasted potential" of it all because you can do that to anything and if you do it to everything you just make yourself bitter about things. Why would I want to do that when I could just enjoy the improvement?

[umbral girder]

Reckless attack

[glass granite]

I mean, you have a pole. The most outstretched point you can reach is with one hand isn’t it?

[paper portal]

yeah this is an actual technique for 2 handed swords

[glass granite]

It’s fairly minor, but it wouldn’t make sense to increase reach

[humble cairn]

It depends on the weapon and the technique, I have some training in staff and there are definitely certain extensions I can do that I couldn't if I had a shield in the other hand.

[humble cairn]

Makes sense to me.

[glass granite]

Interesting

[remote wadi]

Where have i heard this logic before....

[glass granite]

I could just very well be underinformed here, I’m no expert

[remote wadi]

I meant like how some subclasses get crits on 19

[severe rampart]

finally, I got through 11 hours of waiting for my DMing session of Curse of Strahd

[humble cairn]

The long extension attack is held in one hand, but if I had a shield in the other hand, I could not have done the windup or the balancing for that strike.

[glass granite]

Nor am I qualified at all

[humble cairn]

One spear/staff thrust is done with two hands, somewhat like using a pool cue. You "shoot" the shaft through the stabilizing hand.

[remote wadi]

Ehh, I just remember an older meme video about FGC moves where they justified a guy having bogus range on his sword attacks because he held his sword with 2 hands instead of 1

Either way, the sad part of that Barbarian crits are still overshadowed because Divine Smite go brrrr

[severe rampart]

Rolled the mandatory "d20 before session" to see how good or bad it'll be, rolled a 2, wish me luck

[humble cairn]

And another one I know is done while extending the leg behind to balance the weight, and needs the other hand to recover from.

[glass granite]

So what I’m getting is, while the furthest reach is with one hand outstretched, it’s very reasonable to say without using two hands it’s not gonna reach that point effectively?

[humble cairn]

Yes, at least for the techniques I know.

[glass granite]

The more you know

insert effect here

[remote wadi]

I mean, come on. 4d10 with a Pike and Piercer crit or 2d10 + 8d8 radiant on a Pike crit with pally

No contest

[humble cairn]

Barbarians have a level 2 feature that roughly doubles their crit chance.

[remote wadi]

Reckless attack is level 2

And I'm not looking forward to everyone else getting that double

[humble cairn]

So just because a Paladin can capitalize on crits with their smites, it doesn't take away from Barbarians.

[remote wadi]

It doesn't, but I've always had pity on Barbs for having a somewhat counterintuitive kit

[humble cairn]

Barbarians are fun and very aggro, Paladins have so many powerful Support features that are left on the table if you play like a Barbarian.

[glass granite]

Goes from 5% to 9.75%, so ye pretty much double

[humble cairn]

They're different classes, let's try not to compare like that.

I don't see how barbarians are counter intuitive.

[glass granite]

Barbarians they moved away from crits in 2024, which I’m fairly happy about

[remote wadi]

Oh, yeah. And while I was talking to someone else unrelated about how "My bad luck could always be worse", I lost a game of Ludo from a 1/7,776 chance

[glass granite]

I mean, that’s just impressive

[remote wadi]

Little Higher hit die than a fighter, good chunk easier to lose said HP

Also having Unarmored Defense ties to Dex when Str is much more important

[remote wadi]

Have it recorded on my switch, just need to send it to my PC later

[empty thicket]

Str... is a weird stat.
There is few skills that work with that but the main purpose is martial weapons

While Dext is like one of the top 3 no dump stat

[humble cairn]

Barbarians do want to be hit with the correct kind of damage, though. Obviously not getting hit in the first place is best, but second best is negating a ton of that damage with Resistance.

And Barbarians can now use Str for a bunch more skills.

[umbral girder]

Resist the most common damage type in the game

Extra healing on a short rest due to large hit dice

[remote wadi]

The dump stats are still dependent on classes. And even then, difference between "don't dump this" and "get your ASI for this"

[humble cairn]

Have you tried playing a Barbarian?

In actual play they feel pretty good, but I've only played up to level 5.

[remote wadi]

Idk about 2024, but 2014 is non magical only iirc

[umbral girder]

No it’s all in 2014

[humble cairn]

No, 2014 Rage resist doesn't care about magical or not.

[remote wadi]

I stand corrected

[umbral girder]

Have you actually played a barbarian?

[remote wadi]

Not yet, but I plan to. Have a good character idea for it too

[silent pike]

Hmmm as an atillerist, what is the most optimized way to use action to deal dmg beside the canon?

[umbral girder]

Cantrip

[humble cairn]

If you truly want an overclocked optimal answer, ask in #optimization

[umbral girder]

Or an AOE

[silent pike]

I see

[umbral girder]

I’m playing a Barbarian in my Wednesday game it’s pretty good so far. Hits very hard and consistent with actually hitting things

[empty thicket]

yeah, the problems of barbarian are mostly lack of range options and how some spells are problematic for him

but your team should cover those, most of time a barbarian would want to be the soft tank of the team

[humble cairn]

Thrown weapons work better in 2024 for Barbs now, it's nice.

[umbral girder]

Love the mobility I got going on too

[remote wadi]

Ehhh, ranged options are still a stretch for a problem. Giant subclass and Javelins, for starters

[humble cairn]

Light Hammers FTW!

[umbral girder]

Fast movement will be nice but so far the 2024 Wood elf helps cover too

[remote wadi]

I personally want to use the Totem Magic Barbarian

Has so much rokeplay potential for a Northener

[humble cairn]

Oh yeah Wildheart is great! I love that they have some unique Utility spells.

[empty thicket]

yep, javelins help in that kinda, but still i would like to drive it to that "Range combat" with weapons its not so nice

In any way, please considerate while playing barb, overextend isnt a good idea unless you need to make some space for the team

[empty thicket]

Wtf

[remote wadi]

Bwuh

[empty thicket]

wait, i want to do a funny

@loud tendon can i do a funny? mark him with power word kill and you smite him into to the abyss?

Power Word: Kill.

[abstract raptor]

Something is telling me they are a scammer xD

[inner silo]

Can dhampirs come from any species?

[naive niche]

hey can someone give their honest feedback on something

[paper portal]

yep but you only get to do stuff like getting the speed from a race if that happens as part of the campaign

[inner silo]

Oki thanks

[inner silo]

Probably depends on what that something is

[naive niche]

so I’m dming for the first time and uh I’m trying to cook up something and I need like tips and feedback if what I have so far is good

I can dm what I currently have

[inner silo]

There are a lot of dms on this channel, i think they'd be happy to help. https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/540597424692002878

[naive niche]

Okay thanks Cracker

[feral fulcrum]

Pitchforks and Torches tomorrow, bound to be an amusing session.

[rough basalt]

What'd the party do?

[hidden spindle]

They found an ogre in a swamp

[slim lark]

playing in a campaign of LMOP, and ||at the ruins of thundertree, we found a potion of flying, which is very rare. We were able to sell it for ~20,000 gp,|| how does this not break the adventures economy?

[paper portal]

magic items in general tend to be very expensive

[short brook]

Where did you sell it though

[slim lark]

neverwinter to the zhentarim

[short brook]

Those guys can definitely find a buyer

[slim lark]

just seems like a very game breaking amount of money

[short brook]

Some people can be unfathomably rich

[paper portal]

yeah im just saying potions of flying are rare enough that they will just sell for big amounts, go look at how much a rare magic item costs

[slim lark]

im just wondering why they would give a level 4 party something worth so much

because we basically capped out on attunement slots now, fighter has +1 full plate, etc

[halcyon forum]

magic item prices are weird. there is a reason there are a bunch of lists out there where people made their own pricing because the official stuff doesn't make sense

[paper portal]

sounds like your dm might be being pretty generous, iirc +1 armor is meant to be 10k

[slim lark]

im running CoS for a group and theyre at level 7, and they were ecstatic to get 700 gold from the vistani

[paper portal]

theyre not weird so much as just overinflated at least to me

nobody is paying a family fortune for a +3 sword

[halcyon forum]

no, the problem is that not every item of a certain rarity is equally good, and shouldnt be equally valuable

[paper portal]

true there's that

[slim lark]

yeah which is why trading 1 single use potion of flying for a shit ton of passive buffs just seems insane to me

like we literally turned around and bought winged boots

for a fraction of the price

[halcyon forum]

I think a potion of flying is realistically worth around 2-4k gp

[slim lark]

probably, but raw its a very rare magic item so its worth way more

[halcyon forum]

yeah but we arent in #dnd-rules so we can point out better alteratives to RAW

[paper portal]

kinda unrelated but while we're on gripes we have with the game barbarians really should be able to wear heavy armor

theyre the single class that is solely strength based and you rob them of the one benefit of investing in strength

[slim lark]

im actually fine with no heavy armour, i think it makes more sense thematically

[glass granite]

I feel like they should have a subclass that lets them do it

[slim lark]

and they dont need it really

[halcyon forum]

if anyone wants a good list with suggested item prices btw, here is one https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11-45kA6qWTFV_rDYkD49B_EQfF0kPrW2tXwQcNs1jVM

[paper portal]

better than nothing but ideally they should have a class that lets them do it

[halcyon forum]

heavy armor would be a pretty minor buff for barbarians. they just dont get it for flavor reasons

[paper portal]

it allows you to dump dex

[halcyon forum]

why is rarely a good idea

[slim lark]

nobody wants to dump dex

[paper portal]

they already have bonuses to initiative and dex saves

being able to at least put less than 14 if not entirely dump it would be great for their stats

[slim lark]

barbarians still want a good dex mod for saves though

advantage only goes so far

[halcyon forum]

advantage on dex saves in particular becomes less and less valuable as time goes on

[slim lark]

especially if you have bad dex

and wearing heavy armour means they cant add their con to their ac

[paper portal]

well so do barbarians but their terrible scaling is another topic entirely

[halcyon forum]

true enough, though at least they scale a bit better in 5.5

[severe rampart]

had a great session, whoo

[paper portal]

unarmored defense is very rarely better than medium anyways

[slim lark]

depends on your rolls i guess

just roll really high stats

[paper portal]

with stats i generally refer to point buy cus that gives you a consistent basis to work off

[halcyon forum]

imagine rolling for stats

[paper portal]

oh darn i shoulda thought of that

[slim lark]

its more fun

[paper portal]

for you maybe

[halcyon forum]

I only think its fine if everyone rolls together for a stat array

[paper portal]

fun is subjective

[halcyon forum]

It just sucks if you have shitty stats and the other guy got lucky with two 18s

so either the party is OP together or sucks together imo

[slim lark]

yeah thats fair

[paper portal]

id still rather just use point buy tbh but yeah i like that idea

[slim lark]

i rolled really well for my bard, at level 4

13
16
16
16
11
20

so like yeah rolling is sometimes a problem but cmon if its not fun to see a high roll

[paper portal]

kinda weird to put a 16 in int instead of wis but yeah looks like great rolls

[slim lark]

multiclassing into wizard later, and my character is not supposed to be street smart

[tidal skiff]

Rolling stats seems weird unless person plays random character

[slim lark]

my problem with point buy is that it always results in basically the same array

[paper portal]

i think for a oneshot at some point it would be fun to just go all in on the rolling and do 1d20 in order but id rather not have my entire campaign decided by a couple rolls at the start

[rustic ice]

My table likes having stats higher than sa or pb so they prefer rolling with lots of rerolls lol

[paper portal]

you'd be surprised what you can do with it, you do tend to end up with two 8s and a 14 in dex though

[slim lark]

i feel like the standard rolling system is a bit too much

might be interesting to go retro and just do 3d6

[tidal skiff]

Sorta yes although it's stable so you can safely write a character and not have their stat contradict the backstory.

[slim lark]

instead of 4d6 drop 1

[lyric viper]

Funnily the 3d6 down the line wasn't really ever a thing

Wait, no my bad, I keep thinking 1e

It was in Basic I think. But 4d6 actually was AD&Ds

[slim lark]

yeah ig, but imo its easier to have the backstory influenced by the rolls rather than the other way around

[tidal skiff]

Yes, but you have to work with those stats ahead or do random character with backstory cooked up like a stir fry. Most people I played usually write backstory itself first.

[toxic cargo]

anyone else make a whole homebrew subclass for a campaign before finding out the dm plans to end it on lvl 10? lol

[humble cairn]

My preferred method is Standard Array.

[paper portal]

the most important parts of a subclass are at low levels anyways generally

dnd tends to be pretty frontloaded

[severe fox]

scream if you love Point buy

[toxic cargo]

ah

[severe fox]

[oak grotto]

h-

[paper portal]

😱

[toxic cargo]

ya my whole team is multiclassing for it lol

[paper portal]

that might be a sign that its a little too good

[oak grotto]

That sounds boring to be completely honest.

[severe fox]

whats a ltitle too good?

[lyric viper]

I actually really like random rolling a character entirely, including for class, species, background s on. And then making something around that.

I made a character generator for 2014 once, but while it was really useful for NPCs, I felt like it took the fun of 'discovering' a PC away by automating the rolls and doing it all at once. No chance to spark ideas between rolling for a new thing

[toxic cargo]

ig they are in a more minmax mindset than full roleplay

[severe fox]

what are yall muticlassing into?

oh

[toxic cargo]

this for the paragraph above?

[severe fox]

ohhh

is it any good/

[ripe nimbus]

even in basic you could exchange points in one stat to boost your main stat at a 2:1 rate

anyway i like rolling. SA/PB just feels too samey

[left python]

i just bought a book "puncheons and flagons" it looks really cool, its a cocktail recipe book that has drinks that would be served along the sword coast

[ripe nimbus]

I do let players choose standard array if they like but even players whove rolled worse than standard array never take that option

people really like their rolled stats even if they’re not amazing ime

[lyric viper]

Also li'l reminder folk that if you want to really dig into the mechanics and numbers and get some tips on that, we have #optimization . For more general character ideas and discussion of course we got #character-discussion

[severe fox]

my hungry ah could never own any dice /s

[lyric viper]

A while back I think I brought up the '24d6' method that was introduced to me by a friend.

[severe fox]

people thing this is a joke but ive eaten a d6 in the past

[cosmic peak]

Hello im. New here

[left python]

im a little bit of a dice goblin i have 31 sets and 2 d100s

[paper portal]

thats so real lol i love putting random things in my mouth

[lyric viper]

Roll 24d6 dice (getting an average of 4 of each number on the dice) then assign 3 dice from that pool to your stats.

[paper portal]

i know someone who used to eat glass for fun

[severe fox]

they just feel really nice..

[ripe nimbus]

consider: cards numbered A-6 in each suit, draw 4 at a time without replacement and drop lowest

[lyric viper]

Or adjust anywhere between 18 to 24 to shift the balance a bit.

[toxic cargo]

never seen a d100 b4 👀

[paper portal]

tbh i prefer stuff i can bite down on i always end up chewing the lid off soft drinks 💀

[severe fox]

real

[lyric viper]

They're like golfballs.

[ripe nimbus]

my paladin player rolled a 5 and put it in dex

[severe fox]

i kinda starting to see why people enjoy 2024

weapon masteries are really cool

[paper portal]

i still dont lol

[severe fox]

same with sorcerer

[ripe nimbus]

they’re basically the same game…

[lyric viper]

I rolled a 6 and put it in dex for my Wizard-Barbarian.
She.. didn't actually do too badly.

[severe fox]

theres a host of things that are different

like i really love the new sorcerer meta magic

[paper portal]

its the same base rules with some different content kinda

[severe fox]

like hightened is only 2 points instead of 3

[ripe nimbus]

i started playing 2014 with my friends phb back in 2021 and then when i bought the game myself the 2024 versions were out

[left python]

in the dnd group that im a player in im playing a detached intimidating paladin, and i got cursed to speak in only rhymes. he isnt very happy about it

[severe fox]

or them getting advantage on all sorcerer spells for 1 min

thats still bonkers to me

[ripe nimbus]

i haven’t felt thaaat much difference. i miss the printings of the optional rules though bc those were fun.

[paper portal]

no i HATE that mechanic /silly

[ripe nimbus]

(and feats/multiclassing should still be optional grumble grumble)

[severe fox]

i love it makes them feel like they just arent wizard light

[paper portal]

well theyre still optional in the sense that a dm can just not let you

[severe fox]

they feel more like there own class now

cause all sorcerer had that made it diffrent from wizard was meta magic and subclasses in 2014

other then that they were almost 1 to 1

from hp dice down to the spell list only diff being wizard gets a bigger one

[paper portal]

yeah sorcs really are just a worse wizard in 5e lol

still being a worse version of the strongest class isnt to be sneezed at

[hidden spindle]

Sorcerers were always better

[ripe nimbus]

ive always liked sorcerers

mainly cuz i love playing faces

[hidden spindle]

Exactly

[severe fox]

not really in 2014

[hidden spindle]

They're CHA-based

[severe fox]

like meta magics costing more

[paper portal]

main reason i like sorcs is cus i like warlocks and they multiclass well

[hidden spindle]

Automatically better than the Wizard

[paper portal]

???

[ripe nimbus]

and this is why multiclassing was an optional rule

[severe fox]

i dont think casting with cha makes them better

[ripe nimbus]

my players never multiclass anyway it’s fine

[paper portal]

by that logic druid and cleric are the best classes in the game

[ripe nimbus]

i mean.

[severe fox]

cleric maybe druid maybe

[ripe nimbus]

is that wrong

[severe fox]

the more things change the more things stay the same

[paper portal]

theyre good but saying a class is automatically better than another because it uses a stat you like is nonsense

[hidden spindle]

It makes them interact with the other side of D&D with the same stats for combat

[severe fox]

wizard can also invest in Cha if they want?

[ripe nimbus]

what kinda game doesn’t have investigation rolls

[severe fox]

that too

[paper portal]

charisma is also worse than int at least from an optimization perspective but we wont get into that

[ripe nimbus]

i mean not saying int isn’t kind of an underpowered stat

[paper portal]

its cus its a minor save, all three of them are

[severe fox]

int str and cha are minor saves

[hidden spindle]

Oh right. Everything is combat

[severe fox]

dex wis and con are major saves

[ripe nimbus]

weeeell wis is still better for exploration than int and cha are

[severe fox]

the fact that sorcerer is missing Wis saves in gen is also pretty bad if you get hit by something like hold perosn

[ripe nimbus]

survival rolls and perception rolls are nothing to sneeze at

[paper portal]

90% of the game's mechanics are designed for combat, doesnt mean its everything but if we're talking about mechanics that does tend to mean things get dragged in that direction

[ripe nimbus]

“im a changeling sorry”

[severe fox]

hold monster

[ripe nimbus]

high level enough that EVERYONE gets screwed over by a bad save

[severe fox]

yeah but wizard gets prof in wisdom and int saves

[ripe nimbus]

banshee screams

[paper portal]

tbh any class is best off taking resilient in whichever of con or wis theyre missing, both are just such important saves

[ripe nimbus]

con save or die

[severe fox]

its only a 13

and in the new book that got removed

a wizard with a +3 in con has a 50/50

2014 wise

or you could cast slience

i think people often forget that you have to hear the banshee for the ability to get through

[crystal latch]

Always have Wis prof by 12 and Con prof by 4 (Con by 12 if not a fullcaster)

[hidden spindle]

They never should've changed Favored Enemy or Natural Explorer and developed it more than backing off from it. Those travel terrain exist still

[paper portal]

hello haen from dungeons and dragons

[crystal latch]

Hello, bears are fish

[paper portal]

thats true!

[severe fox]

or just deafen yourself

[paper portal]

i think bears are fish irl too which is funny

[ripe nimbus]

i think as it exists it was a badly designed feature, and i really love survival and wilderness exploration

[severe fox]

bears are beast

fish are also beast

crabs also also beast

[crystal latch]

Fish are beasts with an innate swimming speed, per the Trident of Fish Command

[severe fox]

dinosaurs are also also also beast

[paper portal]

well its by virtue of the fact that fish dont actually have any real taxonomical distinction, theyre just kinda an arbitrary category we put things in

nothing can stop me from putting bears in that category too

[severe fox]

giant octupus

[paper portal]

if youre not careful youre gonna be a fish next buddy /silly

[crystal latch]

5.5e removed the word innate from fish so a lion with a cloak of the Manta Ray is also a fish

[lyric viper]

I miss the magical beast category from 3.5

[severe fox]

is a giant croc a fish?

[crystal latch]

I miss a lot of stuff from 3.5

[paper portal]

i too was a magical beast when i was 3.5 years old

[crystal latch]

Yes

[severe fox]

polar bear?

[crystal latch]

Yes

Polar fish

[paper portal]

why dont you play 3.5 then and drag a bunch of the other FoD gays into it

[severe fox]

giant snake?

cave and black bears are also fish

[crystal latch]

Because I'm too busy running two Saga Edition games

[paper portal]

ah valid

maybe i should learn it tho idk

[crystal latch]

Yes

[severe fox]

wings is right bears are fish in dnd

[lyric viper]

Admittedly now when looking back at 3.5 I tend towards PF1e instead.

But def a lot of fun things in 3.5

[severe fox]

so is a giant crab through im content

[hidden spindle]

Yeah but it had so much soul. I feel like it just asked the DM to do their job in something they don't want to. Then they wonder why Exploration is dead

[paper portal]

idk why im getting credit for this but yeah its funny

[severe fox]

ive always had a question about druids wildshape

[crystal latch]

Imagine if 3.5e was also 4e but you also had 2d8 damage longswords

[paper portal]

bold of you to assume i know 4e either

[severe fox]

if i wanted to turn into lets say a giant crab

[paper portal]

im a newgen

[crystal latch]

Ok imagine if melee was actually good in a game where everyone has a gun

[lyric viper]

4e is great if you like combat tactics and a bit more balance between martials/casters.
3.5 is great if you like numbers go up up up up up up

[severe fox]

would i have to see the giant crab in spefic or can i just look at a normal crab and be like "i understand it now"

[lyric viper]

(And also, plenty of customization and micro managaing options for 3.5)

[worn crow]

I want to play in a proper 3.5 game. Haven't had any real luck finding a game for it

[paper portal]

oh yeah have you seen the new thing i found

[severe fox]

this appies to all other beast and there giant counterparts btw

[crystal latch]

Saga Edition generally takes the best of 3.5 and 4e, it was WOTC's attempt at testing some 4e ideas

[paper portal]

that we kinda already knew existed but never acknowledged for some reason

[crystal latch]

Only thing I saw yesterday was Saga Edition liches

And cats

[severe fox]

through it is kinda weird that alot of the giant beast or no longer beast

[lyric viper]

I feel like 'melee' and 'gun' don't quite mix

[severe fox]

like the giant elk is now HUGE instead of large and its also a celestial https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/5195018-giant-elk

[hidden spindle]

Them trying to justify the nerf to Wild Shape's Giant Animal is just wild

[severe fox]

its also cr 2

[lyric viper]

Giant beasts ended up either just beasts or monstrosities once magical beast category was removed. Which.. in some ways I get. What is the world building logic that in a setting were hippogriffs and horses are both naturally occuring beings, how do you decide which one is 'magical'>

[severe fox]

i have

no idea

[lyric viper]

I'd personally declare a platypus a magical beast.

[severe fox]

through i think "beast" are just things that existed in our world

at any given point

[red steppe]

imagine if they copied saga edition but changed the setting to DnD instead

[hidden spindle]

One is edible
The other is clearly not as edible

[severe fox]

giant vultrues are now fiends

which is qutie fitting imo

[lyric viper]

Awww, but Vultures are just.. big puppies

[severe fox]

they.. eat dead rotting things

[lyric viper]

Bald goofballs

[hidden spindle]

Seriously? Giant Vulture Tiefling...

[severe fox]

i hate that you gave me this idea

[lyric viper]

Terrifying and amazing concept

[severe fox]

i thinks its cool that the new tiefs can come from either the abyss or the hells now too through

but i guess in 2014 it was more impiled then our right stated

[lyric viper]

I have also been known to eat dead things. Sometimes also rotting, but that's fermenting.
No but for real, vultures IRL are just big doofuses and nature's clean up crew. They get a bad rep.

[severe fox]

true

[hidden spindle]

I was just thinking if Tieflings horns and tails are non-negotiable

[severe fox]

i mean i think VF tiefs had horns and a tail

[lyric viper]

Be brave, make a bald tiefling with bird feet.

[hidden spindle]

Exactly my thoughts!

[severe fox]

oh wait i was wrong giant vultres are Monstrositys

[hidden spindle]

I was like, maybe the Tiefling in the book was just one way they could be

[severe fox]

i could have sworn a beast was made into a fiend somewhere through

through the giant vul does have a 6 int meaning its a slightly smarter then your average barbarian

im surpised the giant hyena isnt a fiend

[hidden spindle]

That was still fun to contemplate

[lyric viper]

Vrock's are close enough

[severe fox]

true

[lyric viper]

Keep the concept, rock the vrock

[severe fox]

lemme turn into a giant rocktopus from the abyss book

im still unsure of how to feel about the wild shape changes

[ripe nimbus]

well its issue was that instead of providing the ranger with new abilities to interact with the wilderness it said “you can basically skip all challenges in it”

[hidden spindle]

Not exactly a full skip. It has every tool to be better at it

I feel features like it made DMs actually had to DM, which was a big ask to change it

Outlander background feature was a "skip these challenges, you eating good"

[severe fox]

yeah but the issue is not every campgian is gonna be man vs nature

so sometimes those features can be downright worthless

[hidden spindle]

No but places can still be in a terrain enough environment

[severe fox]

i remember this one time i had a ranger leave one of my games because we were playing DiA

i warned them that ranger might not be the best mainly cause they were a beast master

[hidden spindle]

What's a DiA?

[severe fox]

descent into avernus

[hidden spindle]

Ah. Thanks

[severe fox]

like one of the rules for Baldur's gate being no animals no bigger then a peacock are allowed inside the city walls

[ripe nimbus]

Difficult terrain doesn't slow your group's travel.
Your group can't become lost except by magical means.
Even when you are engaged in another activity while traveling (such as foraging, navigating, or tracking), you remain alert to danger.
If you are traveling alone, you can move stealthily at a normal pace.
When you forage, you find twice as much food as you normally would.
While tracking other creatures, you also learn their exact number, their sizes, and how long ago they passed through the area.

the first one is fine (though only has any effect for some terrain types; if you pick grassland you’re shit outta luck).

the second, though, is skipping one of the main risks of wilderness exploration entirely. the third is fine and cool, at least in its own right. but in combo with the feature abt foraging removes concerns abt food almost entirely (the ranger can forage every day basically costlessly)

[severe fox]

the second one is kinda mid

how often do you get lost via non magical means

[ripe nimbus]

reasonably often if your party isn’t on the roads.

or at least there’s always a risk

[severe fox]

theres this wonderful invention called a "map"

[ripe nimbus]

following a map doesn’t mean you can’t get lost, RAW

[hidden spindle]

When you forage, you would find twice as much food. Doesn't mean you'll succeed each time though

[severe fox]

or even better a compus

[ripe nimbus]

only following clearly visible landmarks or being on the roads do

[severe fox]

good berry laughing in the corner

[ripe nimbus]

compasses just give you PB to the navigation check if you’re proficient in them

they are not an autowin button for avoiding getting lost

[hidden spindle]

Good berry probably doesn't take care of thirst

[severe fox]

true man if only we had a spell of some sort

[ripe nimbus]

you don’t really need to since you’re getting abt 12lbs of food each time

[hidden spindle]

I like the tracking part. Feels like Aragon

[severe fox]

like one that could make water or something

[ripe nimbus]

you only need to succeed on average 1/3 of the time, if no one else is foraging, and you’re good

[severe fox]

if only right

[hidden spindle]

There's a Cantrip that can make a cup of water but it evaporates after a min or hour... I can't recall. I wonder if it'll evaporate in my tummy...

[ripe nimbus]

anyway map/compass doesn’t stop you from getting lost RAW, you still have to make navigation checks

[severe fox]

man if only create water existed..

[hidden spindle]

If only...

[severe fox]

if only there was a first level spell that just made 5 gallons of water..

[ripe nimbus]

eh create water only affects one container so you need to bring a huge container along to get that much

[severe fox]

another stark issue with ranger is the lack of identity it has

[severe fox]

a barrel cost 2 gold pieces

and can hold 40 gallons

[ripe nimbus]

and weighs 70lb

[hidden spindle]

Doesn't it weigh a lot by itself

[paper portal]

light work imo /silly

[severe fox]

also you could just create water in your water skin

it says up to 5 gallons not that it has to be 5 gallons

[ripe nimbus]

yeah, so you fill only half of one person’s water needs with it

it really doesn’t trivialize anything the same way goodberry does

[severe fox]

or you could just bring a box or something

[ripe nimbus]

you mentioned the barrel. barrels are heavy!

boxes are too

[wind fern]

Hello

[severe fox]

i bring a box that weights exactly 20 pounds

[paper portal]

yeah goodberry is a pretty great spell especially on a life cleric

[ripe nimbus]

there’s an actual cost/benefit analysis to relying on create or destroy water

it’s a fine spell. goodberry is kinda broken though

[hidden spindle]

Spell Slot tax

[ripe nimbus]

gritty realism resting helps though

[severe fox]

it also depends on what your dm considers a "open container"

[ripe nimbus]

i guess you could waterlog your backpack…

[severe fox]

box weighing 10 pounds

[hidden spindle]

If only there were rules for finding water...

[severe fox]

a big issue for rangers is a lot of dms dont keep track of food and water/travel times

its super dm depenant if you get to use all your cool abilites

[hidden spindle]

And they wonder why Exploration is dead

[ripe nimbus]

if a character wants to dedicate 10-20lb of encumbrance (+up to 80lb from the weight of the water) and a first level spell slot every couple days to water im fine with that

[severe fox]

or you could let the bearbarian carry it

[hidden spindle]

Let the mule carry it

[severe fox]

or that

granted a lot of dms dont keep track of encumbrance either so

[ripe nimbus]

an extra 10-90lb of encumbrance could very well make even my goliath barbarian player encumbered…

well, yes, survival is trivial if you don’t track food, water, encumbrance, time, and completely ignore rules for getting lost and such

an aspect of the game is trivial if you decide to make it so

[severe fox]

that 1200 pounds?

[ripe nimbus]

variant encumbrance bb even with 15 strength and powerful build 150lbs is enough

[severe fox]

most games only include the explore part without the survival part out of 30+ game ive played in first hand only 2 have kept track of food and water

[wind fern]

Hey.. so I'm new here and I'm looking for a party to join? A.. campaign? I'm not picky or anything honestly it's chill I just miss playing

[ripe nimbus]

well i keep track of encumbrance (variant), food, water, and travel time

[severe fox]

im saying that keeping track of those things arent like the standerd

[ripe nimbus]

im not even that hardcore abt it i just actually run the survival rules p by the book

[severe fox]

great but that what your doing isnt the standerd through

[ripe nimbus]

i mean it is literally “the standard” as in RAW

[hidden spindle]

I keep track of those. Ammunition too

[ripe nimbus]

it might not be what most DMs do but that’s not a system issue

[severe fox]

yeah

[ripe nimbus]

that’s a culture issue

[night tree]

Sup guys

[hidden spindle]

Did the math of the size of coins and their weight for 50 coins. They’re tiny

[severe fox]

but they made ranger to reliant on dms to be good

[night tree]

Any ongoing campaign I can join

[severe fox]

thats why its considered turle necked

[severe fox]

#find-a-game

[hidden spindle]

That's exactly what I highlighted; asking the DM to DM was too much of an ask

[severe fox]

not saying ranger is bad im just saying what ive seen