dnd-discussion

[paper portal]

dnd is as easy as your dm makes it

[severe fox]

totem warrior druid:

[sudden hollow]

2014 is the rules the lol 15 party died to 12 goblins

Lvl*

[tall forge]

Power word kill

[severe fox]

too bad i was wild shape

[hollow lance]

I'm guessing they mean that 2014 has a lot of broken combos but like so does 2024 the combos didn't go away they just changed

[fossil hollow]

Wildshape makes you even more vulnerable to PWK

[tall forge]

Now youre out of wild shape, time to kill you

[severe fox]

i can do it again

[tall forge]

Also iirc you just die

[sudden hollow]

Doesnt disintegrate skip wild shape?

[tall forge]

Like, instantly dead

You become humanoid, but dead

[fossil hollow]

in 2014, if youre wildshaped and get hit by PWK, it looks at the beast's HP, not yours + the beasts

[hollow lance]

two liches, both with power word kill, the other one kills you too

[tall forge]

It doesnt drop you to 0 either

You just die, wild shape doesnt protect you

[severe fox]

oh yeah thats true

[blissful ibex]

which is why Death Ward + Counterspell is rather nice c:

[severe fox]

i turn into a rock

aka an elemental

[fossil hollow]

Sweet, petrification

[tall forge]

Again, dnd is as difficult as the dm makes it

[sudden hollow]

Shape earth

[severe fox]

moon druid 2014 was weird

[sudden hollow]

Or mold earth, whatever the spell is

[tall forge]

If you find it too easy your dm isnt trying to murder you enough

[blissful ibex]

Shape Stone

[sudden hollow]

Thank you

[severe fox]

dont think that works on elementals

[obtuse stratus]

Meabhy, you have been insanely helpful, it boggles the mind, you are an absolutely amazing poster. Farewell, I am leaving the server.

[hollow lance]

earth elementals yeah, the ones can be destroyed with other spells

[severe fox]

uh i dont wanna be that person but how many times are you gonna say that

[hollow lance]

create or destroy water breaks both fire and water elementals

[fossil hollow]

nope

[severe fox]

not how that works lol?

[obtuse stratus]

I believe 2 or 3 more people if they come in tonight

[fossil hollow]

Nothing on the spell or statblock says theyre instantly killed by Create or Destroy Water

[severe fox]

yeah

[sudden hollow]

Doesn't say it cant be alive

[blissful ibex]

I'm fine with it

[tall forge]

Also power word killed still murders elementals

Just so you know

[paper portal]

why are people still trying to recreate the peasant railgun in 2026 bruh

[severe fox]

most elementals have above 100hp

[sudden hollow]

If you destroy the water an elemental is made of.. that should kill it

[tall forge]

Legendary action damage em first

[hollow lance]

doesn't the book straight up specify that "yes peasant railgun works mechanically but obviously not"

[fossil hollow]

Destroy Water. You destroy up to 10 gallons of water in an open container within range.

[severe fox]

water elementals are much more then 10 gallons of water?

[sudden hollow]

Multiple casts

[hollow lance]

upcast, it's a scaling 1st level spell

[fossil hollow]

It does nothing on the water elemental

[paper portal]

it doesnt even work mechanically, nor do any of the stupid mage hand/create or destroy water etc murder hobo things

[sudden hollow]

They do tho

[severe fox]

it still doesnt nothing to a water elemental

[fossil hollow]

Ok, you reduce the water elemental by 10 gallons. What then

[hollow lance]

well create water actually explicitly works for fire elementals

[blissful ibex]

Because they want to be That Guy™ and go all "Um ackshully" and feel all superior and crap|
Only to be shot down by that now explicitly being called out in the literal rulebook as not a thing because they don't actually bother to read the rules and just watch incorrect short form meme videos

[tall forge]

The open container rule stops this

[viral kraken]

how many gallons does create or destroy water make? it looks like each gallon deals 1 cold damage to the fire elemental in 2014 or 1d6 in 2024

[sudden hollow]

Do it again

[fossil hollow]

how many gallons are in a water elemental?

[tall forge]

At least 10

[paper portal]

yep pretty much

[tall forge]

Most likely around 20-30

[severe fox]

its infinite

[sudden hollow]

What size?

[fossil hollow]

nothing in the rules say that water elementals have a limited amount of gallons

[severe fox]

water elementals are large

there from the plane of water and they produce there own water

[sudden hollow]

Its not terribly hard to calculate, be right back

[fossil hollow]

oh boy, Physics in dnd again

[tall forge]

If large, 30-40 prob

[severe fox]

water elementals produce there own water lmao 😭

[paper portal]

dnd explicitly doesnt work on real life phsyics, the peasant railgun does the same amount of damage with 1 person as with 1000

[severe fox]

youd have to keep casting it over and over

[fossil hollow]

anyway, this topic is going nowhere

[tall forge]

I always say hard specific science just doesnt exist in my fantasy games

DNA? Not a thing.

[viral kraken]

looks like it makes 10 gallons of water, does not seem like create or destroy water would make that big of an impact on a fire elemental fwiw

[obtuse stratus]

Meowmeow! You come off as caring of those around you on here and I greatly appreciate the hellos ehen you see me. I'm leaving the server and bid you farewell

[blissful ibex]

a 10x10x10 ft cube fits far more than 30~40 galons

[severe fox]

A Water Elemental in D&D 5e is described in lore as containing roughly 2,000 gallons of water

[fossil hollow]

where did ya get that btw

[paper portal]

bye bye have fun

[severe fox]

good luck trying to destory that

[tall forge]

But they dont fill up the 10x10x10 cube fully

[severe fox]

math and the art from the monster manual

[fossil hollow]

im curious where the 2k gallons come from

that-thats not

[tall forge]

Thats just the area they have control in

[severe fox]

since they massive

[fossil hollow]

thats not how it works

[sudden hollow]

So at max they can be 1000 cubic feet, or about 7480 gallons, at minimum they are 125 cubic feet or approx 935 gallons

[paper portal]

yall really arguing over the volume of an elemental when the RAW answer is that destroy water doesnt explicitly says it deals damage so it doesnt

[severe fox]

as i said good luck trying to destroy all of that

[tall forge]

You guys are heavily overestimating the amount of water a water elemental has

Ignoring the fact that they might create water

[fossil hollow]

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING ESTIMATES in the first place!

[blissful ibex]

Unles either the spell or the creature says it works; it doesn't

[severe fox]

its the size of a boat

a large boat

[paper portal]

yep!

[severe fox]

From a mathematical approximation based on its size, a Large creature like a Water Elemental (about 10 ft × 10 ft × 10 ft) would have a volume of roughly 1,000 cubic feet. If we assume it’s only about one-third full, that’s about 333 cubic feet of water, which converts to roughly 2,491 gallons Reddit. This is close to the 2,000-gallon lore figure, suggesting the “several barrels to a pond” range is a reasonable ballpark.

[fossil hollow]

Its creature made of living water in a game of magic

[severe fox]

that is true

[fossil hollow]

Our laws of physics and biology are immediately null

[tall forge]

1/3 full is a huge overestimation fyi

[paper portal]

yep! you do what the rules say not what you think it would work like irl

[severe fox]

Spirits of the Elemental Plane of Water form shapeless liquids into water elementals, aqueous beings with the might of surging waves. Water elementals are as mutable as liquid, allowing them to crash into foes and seep through narrow cracks. They can crush foes with limb-like geysers, or they might flood over creatures, submerging and drowning foes within their whirling forms. Water elementals often appear near nexuses of elemental power, such as aquatic abysses, magical springs, and whirlpools.

[sudden hollow]

Dnd has its own physics, and they arent hard to figure out. Heck give me a minute and I could tell you torils gravity🤣

[fossil hollow]

or you can ask Ed Greenwood

[severe fox]

2014 monster manual

[paper portal]

technically by dnd physics monsters can walk through walls but we wont get into that

[tall forge]

That just says they’re incredibly versatile in their shape

[severe fox]

that means they can be as small or as big as they want

[sudden hollow]

That.. is theoretically possible irl too

But THAT is a rabbit hole

[tall forge]

If theyre similar to say, an ogre, they wouldnt be more than 100 gallons

[paper portal]

no i mean all the time with no quantum bs

[viral kraken]

i mean bear in mind the specific guidance from the dmg, "Rules Aren't Physics"

[sudden hollow]

Heck I want even counting quantum tunneling

[tall forge]

technically it says nothing about their size, just their ability to change their shape

[severe fox]

i mean yeah any ghost or creature with the ability to go through stuff

[paper portal]

dnd RAW is very broken lol and thats why sometimes its best to just read the rules how you think they were intended

[severe fox]

Large Elemental, Neutral

[fossil hollow]

or as the DMG puts it, Good Faith

[tall forge]

Yeah, as in says nothing about changing their size

[paper portal]

no i mean walls just straight up only affect players lol

[severe fox]

why do you think sage advice exist

[severe fox]

where does it say that?

[sudden hollow]

Size in dnd doesnt make sense anyway, a with can be 9 feet tall but are still medium creatures

A 6ft tall human is still medium

[fossil hollow]

Size are categories

[paper portal]

sac is trying to patch holes in a ship that's already halfway to the seafloor

[tall forge]

Size is just a measure of how much space a creature can control

And fun fact, size is (relatively) pretty accurate!

[severe fox]

8ft is the max of a medium creature

9ft is the smallest large creature

[fossil hollow]

Goliaths at 8-9 ft:

[tall forge]

At least, in regards to medium creatures controlling a 5x5 square foot area

That’s very realistic

[severe fox]

really i could have sworn goliaths were only 8ft

[tall forge]

Prob not on purpose

But nonetheless

[fossil hollow]

farthest from the truth

[severe fox]

its telling me 7-8ft tall

where are you getting the extra foot

Goliath Traits
Creature Type: Humanoid
Size: Medium (about 7-8 feet tall)

???

[fossil hollow]

ah shit, i must have been thinking of old goliath

[lyric viper]

There is not set height for creatures in 5e based on size category

[drowsy walrus]

If a gloomstalker ranger uses ensnaring strike on their attack to capture a underground bandit alive, will the bandit still take damage from the weapon attack?

[lyric viper]

We are all pancakes 🥞

[fossil hollow]

what

[river vector]

I know what I will do to deal with the hunger problem the vampire that I have travelling with the party has. When the party next long rests, they will find a body with strange symbols next to it. These symbols, when translated, are basically saying that the person who killed is offering the body to warlocks patron. So I will have my BBEG frame warlock and cause internal conflict.

[tall forge]

Technically you cannot non lethal ranged attacks

[severe fox]

i meant that the max a medium creature could be before being large was 8ft tall

[severe fox]

thats still such a dumb ruling

[lyric viper]

They could be taller! Not a set ruling for it.

[tall forge]

I mean…. Its a little realistic

[blissful ibex]

they might be getting it from the 5e rulebook which explicitly puts vagule height ranges on the various sizes
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/basic-rules-2014/races#Size

Characters of most races are Medium, a size category including creatures that are roughly 4 to 8 feet tall. Members of a few races are Small (between 2 and 4 feet tall), which means that certain rules of the game affect them differently. The most important of these rules is that Small characters have trouble wielding heavy weapons, as explained in the Equipment section.

[obtuse stratus]

Thanks for modding for me, I'm leaving the server but you were great!

[river vector]

Inspecting the body will allow them to see the attached Truth, I feel.

[tall forge]

Good luck nonlethally shooting someone

[severe fox]

yeah see what i mean

[sudden hollow]

There is actually

[fossil hollow]

wait, centaurs maybe?

[severe fox]

aim for the legs or something?

[sudden hollow]

Every creature has a set height and modifier

[severe fox]

so i was right 8ft is the max now

[fossil hollow]

as of Tasha and beyond, not really

[tall forge]

Medical worker here, thats still lethal

[sudden hollow]

I love tasha

[tall forge]

Incredibly lethal, for the medieval times

[sudden hollow]

Not always

[fossil hollow]

MoTM doesnt have the set height + modifiers like the 2014 PHB or older 5e books

[severe fox]

oh but me magicaling hurting someone with nerotic damage can not be leathal

[tall forge]

Yeah, but you can say that about any part of the body

[sudden hollow]

We are trained to shoot the leg for a cature target

[viral kraken]

getting shot in the head isn't always lethal by that logic

[tall forge]

I mean…. Its is

[lyric viper]

Did '24 introduce set heights for size categories? I might have missed that.

[severe fox]

it did

[sudden hollow]

No it was in 14

[blissful ibex]

5e did; 5.5e did away with them

[tall forge]

Unless you mean melee attacks, which yeah

[sudden hollow]

I was rolling for height long before 24 rules came out

[lyric viper]

5e just had spaces, rather than heights.

[fossil hollow]

It has height ranges, nothing like the early 5e set height + dice roll

[sudden hollow]

Goliaths are 6'2" +2d10 inches

[severe fox]

Dwarf Traits
Creature Type: Humanoid
Size: Medium (about 4-5 feet tall)
Speed: 30 feet

[tall forge]

Theres no “non lethal” place to shoot

[sudden hollow]

Maxing at 7'8"

[lyric viper]

That was per species, rather than a set rule for size categories

[severe fox]

Orc Traits
Creature Type: Humanoid
Size: Medium (about 6-7 feet tall)
Speed: 30 feet

[blissful ibex]

#dnd-discussion message this is the specific info from the 5e (2014) rulebook that provides height ranges based on size classes

[severe fox]

these are in the 2024 players hand book

[lyric viper]

size categories had rules for how much space you controlled. Not set heights.

[severe fox]

each creautre kinda has a set height

[tall forge]

Also, if you mean real life idk who tries shooting for the legs to be non lethal

[fossil hollow]

thats just for the player species

[severe fox]

thats what i was talking about

[fossil hollow]

monsters dont have set heights

[tall forge]

Nonetheless, its realistic that ranged attacks are always lethal, but i think thats boring

[sudden hollow]

Im sorry if you can garuntee an instant kill shot to the leg or foot you are one bad mofo

[severe fox]

thats pretty cool ngl

[tall forge]

Hit a major artery

[viral kraken]

i think some 3.5 splat had some non-lethal ranged options if you need inspiration for 5e

[sudden hollow]

Again

Thats not instant

Or really all that lethal

[severe fox]

dnd doesnt have major arterys

[frail wasp]

you don't need all that leg blood

it's holding ya back

[tall forge]

That is VERY wrong, we just have ways to fix it nowadays

[severe fox]

why cant i non letahl a slime

[fossil hollow]

isnt losing a certain amount of blood no matter where youre losing it lethal?

[tall forge]

If you dont get medical attention within 5 minutes if a serious bullet leg wound, youre dead

[sudden hollow]

Dnd has healing magic that is better than anything we have now and days

[frail wasp]

you're holding the axe backwards?

[undone rain]

Might have a future oathbreaker paladin idea. Was originally an oath of the crown to a king but the king soon died and their heir turned corrupt so the paladin broke away from his service

[sudden hollow]

So no, its not wrong in the slightest

[tall forge]

I just wanna make it clear, leg wounds are lethal irl

[fossil hollow]

Regeneration is 7th level. You have to ask popes for that

[sudden hollow]

And cure wounds is 1st

[severe fox]

you can legit bring a creature back from nothing in dnd

[sudden hollow]

And would fix an arrow to the leg

[fossil hollow]

cure wounds isnt a cure all

[frail wasp]

cure wounds restores HP, not blood

[tall forge]

Debatable on how you rule death

[sudden hollow]

Dnd doesnt have bleed out

[fossil hollow]

Strictly speaking, it just restores HP yeah.

[tall forge]

I rule death as “cannot be fixed without at minimum revivify” for coolness

[severe fox]

true res bypasses most things unless the type of death says otherwise

[frail wasp]

not with that attitude it dont

[sudden hollow]

I made a weapon for that

[tall forge]

That way we have dying speeches and monologues

[fossil hollow]

There are several weapons that block even True Res

[severe fox]

theres already a weapon for that in dnd

[fossil hollow]

Hellfire Weapons off the top of my head

[sudden hollow]

Yeah but I added another

[severe fox]

i just said that already

[sudden hollow]

Greatscythe called original sin

[severe fox]

even then you can just prob wish them back to life

since thats usually the end all unless your dm doesnt allow wish

[sudden hollow]

Even wish cant undo it(with exception of one hyperspecific wish)

[fossil hollow]

wait what

[tall forge]

Especially for npcs, i dont do “oh they dead” the moment they hit 0, i go “you see a wound too great to fix, as they start to bleed out”

More drama

[severe fox]

true res bypasses most things unless the type of death says otherwise

[fossil hollow]

I was giving a specific example...

[severe fox]

for example being killed with that red wizard dagger

[fossil hollow]

that was specifically a weapon

[frail wasp]

from that one movie

[severe fox]

thats just a op weapon

[fickle ocean]

the samurai subclass is down horrendous

[severe fox]

being able to kill someone and make them die permanently

[tall forge]

Me pulling up with my deck of many things, bout to reverse reality

[sudden hollow]

Well its a one of a kind artifact made to be wielded by a literal god so... yeah

[severe fox]

with no way of fixxing

[tall forge]

Oh i got djonned

[snow tartan]

that seems good, seems pretty classic. It'd be interesting to do an oathbreaker who is kinda pushed into this position of being lumped in with the evil ones as oathbreaking is meant to be fundamentally wrong to the gods or somesuch but isn't actually a bad person

[frail wasp]

people dying when they are killed ack

[sudden hollow]

There is one way

[severe fox]

ehh most artifacts are not worth it the only good thing is being able to use them in a anti magic field

[fossil hollow]

stares in Blackrazor and Sword of Zariel

[undone rain]

Exactly, they dont stray to the dark side despite their powers coming from an evil source

[severe fox]

thats a legedary in 2014

[fossil hollow]

Do i really need to put 2024 on my name

[severe fox]

and i was about o bring up the sword of zariel

[sudden hollow]

Lol this weapon is wielded by a skeleton that wears legendary armor in one of my campaigns

[frail wasp]

it's ok, you can say 5.5e now

it's canon

[severe fox]

anti magic the armor then beat him to death

or would it be undeath

[sudden hollow]

Good luck. The armor gives him a base ac of 20 without its magic

Also you'd need a way to fo anti-aging at lvl 5

Anti magic

I hate autocorrect

[snow tartan]

thatd be a neat kinda character thing, they've got all these fancy evil tricks that they really dont want to use but will if theyre pushed into it

[severe fox]

i hate homebrew

[fossil hollow]

Fine, if you want 2014:

• Book of Exalted Deeds
• Sword of Kas
• Sword of Zariel
• Theros artifacts
• Mask of the Dragon Queen
• Mighty Servant
• Wand of Orcus
• Wyrmskull Throne

[undone rain]

Exactly what i was thinkin

[blissful ibex]

I'd take most legendary items over most artifacts

[fossil hollow]

wait, malatok is legendary

[sudden hollow]

Lmao enjoy your one lvl 1-20 campaign then

[viral kraken]

to be fair no matter what setting you play in it is somebody's homebrew

[severe fox]

hmm..

[fossil hollow]

Laughs in Waterdeep modules

[frail wasp]

everything is someone's homebrew

[blissful ibex]

Come play AL then, homebrew is explicitly forbidden c:

[frail wasp]

fireball was once homebrew

[rugged hawk]

DM Handbook is WotC's homebrew

[severe fox]

true!

[undone rain]

Gonna play a high elf for paladin. Need that booming blade

[severe fox]

dont forgot your elven acc

[sudden hollow]

I have never played with homebrew, but I let my players use it

[fossil hollow]

so you have played with homebrew

[sudden hollow]

Levels the playing field a bit

[undone rain]

Elves got alot of goodies

[sudden hollow]

No i died with homebrew

I do not play as a dm

[fossil hollow]

DMing is also playing, just on a different role

[severe fox]

i love 2014 but i hate some of the spells

[frail wasp]

rip

[severe fox]

conjure animals is the bane of my existance

same with pretty much any other conjure spell

[undone rain]

Elves alone get trance, resistance against being charmed and dont get me started on all the subraces

[blissful ibex]

which is why 5.5e did away with multisummon spells and reworked all of them
then made the single summons use standardized stat blocks

[sudden hollow]

Dmed. I HATE AUTOCORRECT

[obtuse stratus]

Hey, it's been a pleasure, and you were always lovely to have around in chat. I'm leaving the server and wished to bid you farewell

[frail wasp]

I homebrewed the perfect conjure spell once

[undone rain]

Thats a shame, ill see you around friend

[meager fractal]

Question for you

What class do you want to love but never enjoy playing?

[severe fox]

conure spells should just be one big creature

[frail wasp]

been riding that peak ever since

[sudden hollow]

I do not see it that way at all

[severe fox]

warlock

i just cant get over having only 2 pact slots

[sudden hollow]

Everything except monk and sorcerer

[fossil hollow]

thats what Short Rests are for

[sudden hollow]

YES. I USED TO MAIN WARLOCK BUT THAT KILLED IT FOR ME

[blissful ibex]

Works really well in a multiclass tbh
I run anywhere from 5 to 11 levels of warlock with the rest being druid XD

[severe fox]

bugging the dm for short rest every combat encounter makes me wanna tweak out

[charred radish]

Yeah

[severe fox]

/hj

[undone rain]

Elves are great ngl i like em. Think my first character was one

[sudden hollow]

Thats a quick way to annoy the party and dm lol

[fossil hollow]

Your casters must be laughing, and your martials dying then

[blissful ibex]

can generally get away with every three or so if you ration things some

[fossil hollow]

What type of DM would get tweaked with people asking for Short Rests?????

[sudden hollow]

Why?

[severe fox]

also i finally understand why grim hollow is so geeked

they have a system wear there mini short rest which take 1 hour reg short rest take 8 hours and long rest take 32 hours

[sudden hollow]

One who doesnt want the party resting for 20 hours of a 24 hpur period

[fossil hollow]

less short rests means your martials and warlocks have effectively less resources to use, and casters with their multiple spell slots and easier access to long rests means theyre swimming in slots

[severe fox]

short rest only take 1 hour

[blissful ibex]

so variant Gritty Realism (8 hour SR/ 1 week LR)

[sudden hollow]

1 hour?!?!?

[severe fox]

yeah

[tough sandal]

You say that, but I'm:

Roleplaying, attacking the main characters, making backstories for backstories for NPCs, adjuticating different rules interactions that would make the game more fun for everyone, communicating with players which homebrew is fair for the table....

I'd keep going but I'm also playing based on the rules set out by the core rulebooks.

[fossil hollow]

... oh my god

[sudden hollow]

I have been giving it to them in half an hour

[blissful ibex]

Standard SR is 1 hour and standard LR is 8 hours

[severe fox]

you can cut it down to like 10 mins if you use cat nap

i loveee cat nap

[tough sandal]

Catnap is an amazing spell.

[blissful ibex]

only once per LR though
also it doesn't work for my girl due to Aspect of the Moon q_q

[viral kraken]

i would rather take an hour rest awake than a 10 minute rest asleep personally in most situations

[severe fox]

how does aspect of the moon work agian?

[sudden hollow]

Crap if I had known that they would have only had half the long rests they did

[tough sandal]

There are also some simple homebrew options shared by the community that cuts down on Short Rest time with a small downside.

[blissful ibex]

You extend the light activity portion of a long rest (2 hours) to encompass the full 8 hours and you are immune to effects that would cause you to sleep

[tough sandal]

Depends on player needs.

[blissful ibex]

Like Explicitly

You no longer need to sleep and can't be forced to sleep by any means.
Though I guess that wording does allow catnap now that I read it again XD

[severe fox]

yeah your not being forced to sleep

[fossil hollow]

allowing Catnap to work isnt you being forced to slee-

[severe fox]

you just fall unconscious willingly

[sudden hollow]

My current dm says we need to work on resource management cause we are begging for rests after every combat

[sudden hollow]

What if you are immune to being unconscious?

[fossil hollow]

thats a valid thing to say

[severe fox]

theres no player way to make that happen?

[sudden hollow]

Warforged cant sleep

At all

[blissful ibex]

yyyeaaaahhh...
Use more concentration spells and cantrips and don't burn your best/highest level spells on random trash mobs

[fossil hollow]

still can be unconscious (at 0 HP)

[severe fox]

but they arent immune to the unconscious condition

[sudden hollow]

I only have 2 spell slots lol. I only have 4 abilities total

Wait 5

[severe fox]

unconscious isnt just sleeping

[undone rain]

Thats just being knocked out

[severe fox]

like being knocked out

[blissful ibex]

use your cantrips
and if you're a half caster; use your martial abilities

[tough sandal]

Unconscious can be forcing someone into nonfunctioning states.

Which isna fancy way of saying "knock out"

[sudden hollow]

Don't have cantrips

[blissful ibex]

then you're a half caster and the second portion applies to you XD

[severe fox]

so like i said theres no player way of becoming immune to the unconscious condition

[sudden hollow]

Most of the party doesmt have damaging cantrips either

[severe fox]

sounds like an undersight on the partys half ngl

[blissful ibex]

you always take at least 1 on a full caster
full stop
half casters don't need to as you can hit things

[severe fox]

yeah

what kinda caster doesnt have at least 1 combat cantrip

[tall forge]

Half casters

[blissful ibex]

The attack action doesn't require a rest

[tough sandal]

The fallback is always a pointy stick or a good blunt object.

[tall forge]

At best

[severe fox]

full caster io mean

[sudden hollow]

It also doesnt do much

[severe fox]

unless your a swords bard

or a sword wizard

[undone rain]

Half casters dont need em tho. I mean i like em having it but its not needed lol

[tall forge]

Nah they should still take a cantrip

[sudden hollow]

I miss like.. 80% of attacks and even when I hit my average damage is 7

[blissful ibex]

A fighter that's at least somewhat competently put together deals more than enough
same with a monk or ranger or paladin or w/e

[viral kraken]

don't half casters usually have damaging cantrips? even pally can take that fighting style to get cantrips

[tall forge]

They can, just usually not worth it

[severe fox]

so/so they dont get them by default

[fossil hollow]

theres only one good one for paladin, and its just:

• Toll the Dead

[sudden hollow]

I do a base damage of 1d8+1

[blissful ibex]

which is excellent because their attacks use attack rolls and that is a save
it also does a good chunk of damage, even if its necrotic

[obtuse stratus]

Alas, I have missed Ophidimancer and Sora. I bid you all farewell.

[sudden hollow]

I have to consume an ability to deal more

[tough sandal]

They only get them at LV1, stuck for the entire campaign as one option.
Their main damaging cantrip is called "Weapon Attack".

[blissful ibex]

Welp, then you poorly built you character for the combat pillar

[fossil hollow]

No damage on success though, and its WIS save, one of big three

[severe fox]

true

[sudden hollow]

I have the wrong weapon rn. I need a rapier so I can deal 1d8+3

[blissful ibex]

Yes, but generally you're going to be able to hit things with your weapons or could bring javalins if you need a thrown option

[severe fox]

i like playing thri kreens as level 1

[blissful ibex]

grab a dagger, 1d4+3 with a +2 higher attack roll is better than 1d8+1

[sudden hollow]

Working on it

[fossil hollow]

right, but the convo was about paladin having conbat cantrip

[undone rain]

Their silly fellas i like em

[severe fox]

13+dex armor is crazy good

[sudden hollow]

Havnt found one yet

[blissful ibex]

They're also half casters so its not as necessary as it is on full casters

[undone rain]

Basically free unarmored defense lol

[tall forge]

It’s crazy good, but rarely does a caster have 20 dex

[blissful ibex]

The next town or village or wandering merchant you run into will very likely sell you one for 2 gold
or take it off a corpse

[tall forge]

So it sorta evens out

[sudden hollow]

Thats the issue... the only merchant we know of is currently under siege

[severe fox]

dont need it? if you just have a +3 in dex thats already 16

[undone rain]

Good for a rogue tho

[tall forge]

True

[severe fox]

grab a shield and thats 18

[blissful ibex]

Presumably you're fighting enemies
after one of your combats; ask your DM if any of the boddies has a dagger

[tall forge]

But have you considered, being a turtle

[severe fox]

shield of faith and thats 20

[sudden hollow]

They didnt

[undone rain]

I have considered being master oogway yes

[viral kraken]

i have contemplated the way of tortle-tude

[sudden hollow]

They had had built in natural weapons and pickaxes

[tall forge]

Cowabunga

[blissful ibex]

Then keep looking; you should have properly kitted yourself out in character creation
Best you can do now is just keep asking and trying to get something usable

[severe fox]

yeah but thri kreens get other things like being able to hold light weapons in there smaller hands

and telepathy never hurts

[sudden hollow]

I was kitted properly.. until I found something better and changed my stats around

[tall forge]

How about instead, pulling your head inside your body 😎

[undone rain]

But the question is can they use those hands as a bonus action attack. Their rules for their hands are strange

[woven flint]

Knowledge Cleric has Telepathy (At level 6) , I've been having a lot of fun with that

[fossil hollow]

why can they not?

[sudden hollow]

My 1d8+1 should, hopefully, be fine... so long as nothing is resistant to non magical damage

[severe fox]

well yeah

[blissful ibex]

fair, just have to wait until you can correct things gear wise then

[undone rain]

Dosent say much about is all

[severe fox]

it says you can use a light weapon in that hand

[blissful ibex]

Love that that is no longer a thing in 5.5e

[fossil hollow]

still dont see why they cant

[sudden hollow]

From what I saw its worse now

[woven flint]

2024 gets rid of Magical and Nonmagic BPS, that's another perk

A lot less creatures have BPS resistance as well

[severe fox]

or wield a weapon that has the light property.

[severe fox]

they got more hp in turn

a lot more hp

[sudden hollow]

Yeah but if I was in 24 id just.. have no way of avoiding the resistance

[fossil hollow]

theres only a handful of monsters that get stright up BPS and theyre all godly creatures or ghosts

[blissful ibex]

something is either immune, resisant, neutral, or vulnerable to any given damage type
things that used to do "magical" damage now generally provide for optional force damage
most monsters have been given a HP bump to compensate

[severe fox]

true strike

[fossil hollow]

theres a Boon for it

[undone rain]

Just wondering if they can attack a 2nd time in one turn with those hands after using their stronger hands as an attack

[sudden hollow]

Idk what a boon is.

[sudden hollow]

I dont get true strike

[fossil hollow]

again, why would they not be able to

[woven flint]

Most martials can just.. swap to different weapons

Not a lot of creatures have resistance to all 3 in 2024 rules

[fossil hollow]

nothing says they cant

[sudden hollow]

Which re leads into me being screwed cause a warhammer is my only weapon

[severe fox]

in 2024 you can use dex or strength or and it makes your weapon do radiant damage

[undone rain]

Just says "they can hold light weapons" nothin more but i guess that would be useful so

[blissful ibex]

also most martial classes get options to change their damage types
or can use magic weapons that do so

[severe fox]

or wield a weapon that has the light property.

[fossil hollow]

keyword there, "wield"

[severe fox]

yeah

[sudden hollow]

Thats nice ig

[fossil hollow]

when will we get our Keyword soup monsters WoTC

[undone rain]

Ah forget it, i think i got it now

[sudden hollow]

But we aren't using those rules so I just gotta pray lol

Otherwise im back to being the living shield for the party again

Except I wont even have the option of casting compelled duel this time cause im out of slots

[undone rain]

Not gonna complain about more attacks so

[fossil hollow]

the arms dont give you more attacks, just lets you use Dual Wielding better

[undone rain]

Thats what i was wondering

[severe fox]

whats the diff between Tasha's Hideous Laughter and normal Hideous laughter

[undone rain]

Im a bit tired so i wasnt clear lol

[sudden hollow]

Another chain devil would be especially heinous, my only magic damage left is resisted . Im garunteed to do half damage if one shows up

Not to mention they have good ac

[viral kraken]

trademark lol

[severe fox]

sounds like you just ill prepreaed your character

[fossil hollow]

one of them is not in the SRD

[severe fox]

srd?

[sudden hollow]

Its just a bad match up. Normally I can deal 40 damage once per combat and restrain the target

[fossil hollow]

System Reference Document

[lyric viper]

System Reference Document- essentially the content that is allowed to be shared for free and used by 3rd party

[severe fox]

ah

[undone rain]

Starting to think elves are wotcs fav race with all the racial traits they got lol

[lyric viper]

So 'Tasha' isn't added, because she's WotC's IP. So just 'Hideous Laughter' is used.

[serene moss]

Helo geis

U gals and lads are awesome1!1!1

[severe fox]

idk being able to get 3 resistances as a tielfing is also cool

[undone rain]

Their 2nd fav race lol

[lyric viper]

A few spells are like that, where they remove the name of the character so the spell can be used without the character's name becoming free to use.

[severe fox]

ohhhhh

[meager fractal]

makes sense

[undone rain]

Races that get spells are so fun

[severe fox]

i like making creautres roll saving throws!!!

[sudden hollow]

Worst part is. Even if i wanted to kill bonk off it doesnt look promising

[severe fox]

sorcerer meta magic adapt turn it into thunder make it a loudball

[sudden hollow]

Barely anything can hit him and ge has so much health that letting him die naturally isnt gonna happen

[undone rain]

Zariel tieflings with their smites too

[sudden hollow]

I hate it, they always pass

[severe fox]

heignted to give them disadvantage

[sudden hollow]

Is that 24?

[severe fox]

its both?

[undone rain]

Tieflings and elves have to be the most played races right?

[fossil hollow]

human is

[undone rain]

Whaaat

[fossil hollow]

followed by those two

[undone rain]

Human? Im sorry but human?

[sudden hollow]

I only ever played sorcerer once, used thinned and distant.. they died 30 min into the session

[fossil hollow]

yes. Vhuman was a thing

[quasi dome]

Level 1 feat baybee

[severe fox]

human fighter is the most playeed

[undone rain]

Ah right the variant

[severe fox]

thinned..?

[undone rain]

Guess those memes were serious

[severe fox]

oh no yeah

human fighter is the most played combo in dnd

[fossil hollow]

its a meme for a reason

[sudden hollow]

Twinned. I fing hate autocorrect. And yeah I lost 3 characters that session

[steady plank]

Would you rather be a Necromancer or be a Wizard?

[sudden hollow]

Shortest lives i ever had.

[tough sandal]

Don't forget champion! :)

[severe fox]

do you just.. not know how to play sorcerer?

[fossil hollow]

Necromancer is a wizard subclass

[sudden hollow]

It was my first time

[tough sandal]

Understandable.

[blissful ibex]

beyond being basic or w/e, It's also just an incredibly reliable setup that you can do quite a lot with even if you're just starting out

[severe fox]

"would you rather be a wizard or a wizard"

[undone rain]

Thought they just did it for shits and giggles lol. But humans and fighters are good starters so

[feral fulcrum]

I wonder how much of that is due to people actually enjoying playing Human, and how much of it is Variant Human being it's usual self.

[severe fox]

i only used variant human for prodigy

[tough sandal]

Variant Human was so popular that 5.5e Human is basically Origin Variant Human.

[severe fox]

free expertise is awesome

[sudden hollow]

Im used to having a character die every session or every other session. I only have one that has survived a level up

He got retired instantly so he could maintain his living state

[severe fox]

are you sure dnd is for you?

player wise i mean

[fossil hollow]

thats an average ToA campaign

[sudden hollow]

Toa?

[severe fox]

meat grinder

[sudden hollow]

Idk i have like...6 campaigns as a player... and 24 as a dm

[feral fulcrum]

Honeslty if they're dying that often in 5E of all systems, the DM's probably just...not good at encounter building. Or it's something like ToA

[severe fox]

yeah 5e is by far the easist dnd system to live in

unless your playing in ToA

[fossil hollow]

Tomb of Annihilation

[tough sandal]

ToA = Tomb of Annihilation.
AKA the campaign designed to be a meat grinder.

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah but ToA is designed to kill you constantly.

It's the Dark Souls of modules

[severe fox]

yeah the dude who made it legit said it was made to kill you

[sudden hollow]

The highest death module i played in was dungeon of the mad mage.. thats the one where 3 dies in one session

[meager fractal]

I wouldn't want to live in a Curse of Strahd module either tbh

[sudden hollow]

Never played it

[rugged hawk]

Okay, ToA is a meat grinder. But hear me out: Tomb Mimic of Annihilation

[severe fox]

CoS would be easy to live in ngl just dont mess with Strahd

[feral fulcrum]

It's the Tomb of Annihilation afterall, not the Tomb of Good Times.

[sudden hollow]

What if you never roll above an 8?

[meager fractal]

Rime of the Frostmaiden also sounds pretty unpleasant

[fossil hollow]

that would reduce its lethality

[severe fox]

thats just being supernaturally unlucky

[sudden hollow]

I have an average roll of 8.6

[rugged hawk]

It really wouldn't. Anyone familiar with ToA would never see the plot twist coming

[severe fox]

im pretty lucky in dnd

[sudden hollow]

On a d20

My damage rolls are also abnormally low

[severe fox]

ive rolled 3 nat 20s back to back once

[sudden hollow]

As a player I should add

[feral fulcrum]

You'd still do pretty fine for the most part.

[severe fox]

1 and 1k btw

[feral fulcrum]

Bonuses get high enough to carry you past dc 15 checks

[fossil hollow]

if youre expecting death at every corner, having it all just be mimics seems. eh

[sudden hollow]

3????? I have rolled 7 in 9 years as a player

And 4 of those were in the past year

[severe fox]

im just that lucky

[fossil hollow]

you need new dice

[severe fox]

i play wild magic

[sudden hollow]

I have 42 sets

[blissful ibex]

as a party we had 2 nat 1s followed by 2 nat 20s rolled by the enemy forces, all back to back XD

[feral fulcrum]

Someone hasn't sent their dice to dice jail.

[severe fox]

dude curses any dice he touches

[undone rain]

You shouldve gotten lottery tickets

[fossil hollow]

more

[sudden hollow]

I burn them they get destroyed after their 12th nat one

[feral fulcrum]

Eh, the odds are not that high for 3 nat 20's in a row.

[severe fox]

ive won a small lottery once it was only like 300$ through

after tax i only got 125$

/hj

[feral fulcrum]

My kingdom for the Star Wars gif.

[sudden hollow]

I have legite rolled 8 nat ones in a session. 9 if you count that one of the rolls was at advantage and rolled 2 nat ones

[fossil hollow]

ok, i do have to ask, how often are your sessions

[sudden hollow]

Me?

[severe fox]

dude really is cursed

[fossil hollow]

yes,

[sudden hollow]

Currently every Sunday in 2 different campaigns

[severe fox]

i have yet to fail a persuasion check

[sudden hollow]

I have yet to pass one. And I have advantage

[novel ice]

I have been thinking of getting back into DnD myself I haven't played in awhile as I got hooked on playing CoC or White Wolf stuff. I have been sort of having an itch for something with a fantasy flavor for awhile now though.

[sudden hollow]

Had*

[blissful ibex]

I'm midling on them, though I usually only have a +3

[sudden hollow]

I have +6...

[blissful ibex]

it do be like that sometimes

[drifting fjord]

In dnd beyond, one of my players seems to have his damage one off (one point too high). For instance, he equips a longsword with a 13 strength, it gives him a damage of 1d8+2, not 1d8+1. Is this a bug?

[fossil hollow]

you need to start fresh with your dice

[fossil hollow]

is it a +1 sword

[sudden hollow]

Thats always for me. I stopped role-playing entirely cause I have never succeeded persuasion or deception

I have only ever passed intimidation

[fossil hollow]

Deception and Persuasion arent the only form of RP

[blissful ibex]

They're Social Pillar Skills; the entire game is RP :3

[sudden hollow]

And thats cause I had +8 and advantage, and roleplayed to lower the dc to 15

[fossil hollow]

You describe how your character fails, succeeds, dies, lives, or acts? Thats RP in of itself

[feral fulcrum]

Roleplaying doesn't even need to include skill checks.

[sudden hollow]

Yeah I just. Don't

[severe fox]

true

that might be why you fail

[sudden hollow]

No i stopped because I kept failing

[severe fox]

you gotta bring the enegry

[sudden hollow]

That got drained a longggg time ago

[severe fox]

then your dice will bring the same

[blissful ibex]

depending on your DM, how you go about doing things might influence the DC of the check

[sudden hollow]

Yeah ik. Im still failing dc as low as 12 regularly

[drifting fjord]

No. All of his weapons are off

[blissful ibex]

on a +6 with advantage?

[rugged hawk]

No no, not a tomb of annihilation full of mimics..... a mimic of the tomb!

[sudden hollow]

Yes

[meager fractal]

Rime of the Frostmaiden but each snowflake is a mimic

[severe fox]

sounds kinda boring

[blissful ibex]

get you someone with guidance and or bardic inspiration

[sudden hollow]

We have a bard now, didnt in the campaign i failed that with. And I did guidance myself

[rugged hawk]

The trick is to wait til they think they finally won...... then......

[severe fox]

btw why is eagle the symbol of charisma?

[sudden hollow]

I rolled a 1 and 2

[severe fox]

ive always been curious about that

[sudden hollow]

I have gone a whole session where out of the 5 d20's i had on hand, none rolled over a 4

[sudden hollow]

Pretty bird

https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters/159808089/8rApt9

This is the character im about to enter a large battle with

Fire rune and giants might are the only meaning full things I have left

[severe fox]

seeing
+1 Armored Bonus(Fighting Style)
+1 Armored Bonus(Fighting Style) hurt sme

[sudden hollow]

Lol dm allowed it

Ruled that a paladin and fighter would have been trained in different defensive styles

[severe fox]

why is your dex so high?

[sudden hollow]

Im a dex based fighter

[severe fox]

...with a warhammer

[meager fractal]

I'm 5 hours into an 8 hour session (we took a break) and I have yet to roll above a five...

[sudden hollow]

There are no words for the level of kinship I feel with you in this moment

[severe fox]

i feel like your working against yourself by going into paladin who uses mainly strenth

[sudden hollow]

The dex decision was made after the character was introduced.

[sudden hollow]

Its solely for smite

[severe fox]

wait how did you even muticlass?

[sudden hollow]

We dont use multiclass requirements

Or cover

Or encumberance

[severe fox]

...???

[sudden hollow]

Or eating

[severe fox]

rogues are useless in your games

[woven flint]

Not using cover is crazy work

[severe fox]

yeah 😭

your telling me i can hit someone through a wall?

[sudden hollow]

Ik my plan originally was to aquire a tower shield, giants might, and provide allies with total cover

[sudden hollow]

3/4 of a wall? Yes

[severe fox]

thats a wall

[sudden hollow]

A full wall would mean you cant see them, and therefore cant target thsm

[severe fox]

wall of force

full cover can still be hit through somehow

[sudden hollow]

We also do potions as a bonus action unless you are giving it to someone else who is fowned

[fossil hollow]

A window

[severe fox]

your games no type of sense

[sudden hollow]

Not a wall. Attack breaks it on the way through

[fossil hollow]

Ok, but so can a wall

[sudden hollow]

That one no, but it will also never pop up

[severe fox]

walls can be broken

[severe fox]

its a 4th level spell wdym>?!

[sudden hollow]

Yeah.. he wont let me break walls down

[severe fox]

you get 4th level spells at level 7

[fossil hollow]

but a window apparently can????

[sudden hollow]

Wall of force is? Of im thinking force cage sorry

[severe fox]

your games make no sense

[sudden hollow]

Besides doesnt wall of force explicitly state attacks font go through it?

[severe fox]

i cant break a wall but a window is fair game

[severe fox]

its a wall

[sudden hollow]

If it behaves like a normally wall then yeah we cant attack through it

[severe fox]

Nothing can physically pass through the wall. It is immune to all damage and can't be dispelled by dispel magic. A disintegrate spell destroys the wall instantly, however. The wall also extends into the Ethereal Plane, blocking ethereal travel through the wall.

but you can see through it

[sudden hollow]

Yeah but its a full wall and is indestructable

[severe fox]

i still think its silly that you cant break a normal all

are all walls in your games indestrurable

[sudden hollow]

Yup

[fossil hollow]

so what. you get hit with the video game [Indestructible Object] when you try to bring a wooden wall down?

[severe fox]

a locked door is your biggest challager

[sudden hollow]

I wanted to break one that was next to a locked door after he said I couldn't break the door

[severe fox]

not a devil

[sudden hollow]

Funny thing

The devil had the key to said door😅

Thats why we fought him to begin with

[severe fox]

just break the door or use knock

[severe rampart]

feels like it ruins immersion if you can't break down a single wooden door

[sudden hollow]

It was iron

[severe fox]

knock spell

[severe rampart]

Ah.

[sudden hollow]

No one has it

[severe fox]

also iron can still be broken

its ac is just 20

[sudden hollow]

Its immoral in this campaign

[severe fox]

thats a dumb campagin

[sudden hollow]

Now that I think about it... we havnt broken anything except a small cave cause the bard cast shatter

[severe fox]

cant even break walls and doors

[sudden hollow]

Oh I cant hit it anyway then 🤣🤣

[severe fox]

what about anything that does double damage to items

[feral fulcrum]

Adamantime weapons

[sudden hollow]

Hasn't come up

[severe fox]

the knock spell..

[feral fulcrum]

Which is pretty much the only thing that does double damage to objects.

[severe fox]

thunder wave i mean

[sudden hollow]

No one has knock

[sudden hollow]

Oh our bard used it once on enemies but thats it

It only effected the enemies

[severe fox]

it effects items too

[sudden hollow]

She hasnt tried but we also havnt had a reason to try

Not that she had enough spell slots for that door anyway

[severe fox]

that party sounds like a headache to deal with

who doesnt at least take knock

[sudden hollow]

... I think all of our casters only have damage spells

We have a sorcerer and a bard

[severe fox]

but there cantrips arent damaging?

no wonder your dropping dead so often

[sudden hollow]

Uhhh the bard has vicious mokery

But she has never used it

[sudden hollow]

I haven't dropped at all this campaign

[severe fox]

i meant as a sorcerer

[sudden hollow]

Wait no, old character did once

[sudden hollow]

The sorcerer hasnt been downed either

[severe fox]

i mean when you played a sorcerer

[sudden hollow]

The bard has gone down...7 timez?

[sudden hollow]

Ohhhh yeah I had damage cantrips then

But um.. I didnt get to cast any

[severe fox]

i have yet to heard a word about healing

[sudden hollow]

Paladin and I have lay hands

[severe fox]

10 hp..

[sudden hollow]

And we stay potion stocked

[severe fox]

per long rest

[river vector]

Vampire BBEG is travelling with the party as a "NPC" will frame warlock for the feedings that he does. (Warlock has been going down a dark path) Should be fun to see if they notice the subtle clues that it isn't warlock (like inspecting the body carefully)

[sudden hollow]

I do 10, the paladin does 50 hp of lay hands

[severe fox]

huh?

[sudden hollow]

Which is enough to pick the sorcerer and bard up from 0

[severe fox]

are there two paladins?

[sudden hollow]

Yes one full, and me, who has 2 paladin levels

[severe fox]

why..

[sudden hollow]

.... high ac😅

[severe fox]

this is the weirdest team ive ever heard

[sudden hollow]

We also have a hexblade warlock

And a druid who never shows up

[severe fox]

theres pletny of ways of getting high ac

like thri kreen cleric

[sudden hollow]

Yeah, but mine did it with no magic items

[severe fox]

i didnt use magic items either..

[sudden hollow]

I also havnt asked if thrikeen is allowed

[severe fox]

does he allow offical content?

[sudden hollow]

He wants us to stay as core as possible.

Im pushing it a lot

[severe fox]

"core as possible but also using pletny of homebrew"???

[sudden hollow]

Homebrew?

I let my players use it. My dms never do lol

[severe fox]

not using cover isnt an optional rule

[sudden hollow]

Ohh

Houserules aren't homebrew

[severe fox]

where did you get that idea..

/s

[sudden hollow]

Aren't *

Stupid autocorrect

So far ebberon is accepted, i cant use gem dragonborn, the grim dark sourcebook is banned so is spelljammer

[severe fox]

grim dark?

[sudden hollow]

I forgot its actually name

Has the um.. dhampir? The playable mini vampire?

[severe fox]

i dont think i could play in a game that bans official stuff ngl

[empty thicket]

yeah, sort of
I call it Temu Vampire

[sudden hollow]

Yeah we have banned spells too

[empty thicket]

silvery barbs¿?

[sudden hollow]

Oh we dont do sunlight sensitivity too

[empty thicket]

Expected

[severe fox]

some spells i understand but once they start banning races that when i would leave

the only race i could understand banning is the og yuan ti

[sudden hollow]

Also the serpent one? That poisons and incapacitates? I dont get why both are easily countered

[empty thicket]

Depend of the setting too, if the world is mostly less dragons you can justify dont having dragonborns at all.
If its a oneshot in X setting too

[sudden hollow]

I can be a dragon born, I can even be the new ones. Just not gem specifically

Tbf. I was totally going emerald dragonborn totem barbarian

[fossil hollow]

bruh

[severe fox]

resistance to all damage

[sudden hollow]

Yup

[severe fox]

i feel like being resistance to all damage but one is good enough mainly cause its super rare damage as well

[sudden hollow]

I didnt tell him that. But I asked about gem dragonborn the day after talking about totem barbarians

[fossil hollow]

sounds like a newbie DM

[empty thicket]

and can always smally nerf some races too.
There was one that is an monstrosity with 4 arms, ac upgrade, fly and many other stuff.
can make it dont being able to show himself in any settlement

[sudden hollow]

Oh boy you arent gonna like this.

Its a paid campaign at a professional setting

[empty thicket]

"i have in fact, 200 years of Dnd"

[fossil hollow]

As a DM of 4 years, that sounds like a skill issue

[sudden hollow]

I politely said the same

[severe fox]

thri-kreen cant fly the 4 arms arent all that powerful only being able to hold light weapos by the ac stuff makes sense

[sudden hollow]

Oh flying races!

Forgot about those

Cant fly till lvl 5

[severe fox]

i understand that but ight

[blissful ibex]

I literally just don't play at tables where plasmoid isn't allowed c:

[severe fox]

i dont play at any tables that ban official content

[sudden hollow]

I miss my plasmoid... that party fed me to a chimera.. it was the first of my 3 characters that died that session

[sudden hollow]

Don't have many options

[severe fox]

thri kreens arent even strictly spell jammers

[sudden hollow]

In fact... I didnt have any

This is the only local dnd group I could find

[severe fox]

you play irl?

[sudden hollow]

Yes

Its a sic set up, even a mini fridge with drinks hidden behind a painting

[severe fox]

i used to

[sudden hollow]

This is my first time playing irl with maps

[severe fox]

dm retired

[sudden hollow]

Only other irl was on computers lol, and I hate beating a dead horse.. but that was the 3 characters in a session and a new one every session cmapaign

[blissful ibex]

Grid, Hexes, or Measures :3

[severe fox]

meaures are better imo

[sudden hollow]

Mix

[severe fox]

i dont like dms that say "diagonal movement aint allowed

[sudden hollow]

Depends on the map, for the most parts grid, but the last 2 sessions were measured

[sudden hollow]

He allows that, says ut doesnt make sense otherwise

[blissful ibex]

yeah, that 's dumb
either run the pathfinder variant diagonal stuff (every other diag tile requires +5 speed) or run hexes/measures

[sudden hollow]

I am actually changing all my maps to hexes

They make the most sense

[knotty pasture]

Tbh if diagonal movement isn't allowed, I'm curious on how aoe is calculated

Would a fireball be a circular aoe or a square aoe (because you can't move diagonally anyways)

[severe fox]

maze has to be one of the strongest spells in 5e ngl

[blissful ibex]

Generally you'd use stencils

[knotty pasture]

So aoe would be expressed in squares I take it

[sudden hollow]

Its 20 a session, every other week. Im in 2 campaigns so its 20 every sunday

5pm to 8pm, sometimes we run late

[blissful ibex]

Polymorph is better and it's a 4th level spell

[knotty pasture]

There's a lot of strong spells per tier in general I agree, dunno if Maze makes it in

[peak yarrow]

ugh i envy your ability to commit to regular games!!! that sounds amazing

[severe fox]

how is polymorph better when maze can just remove someone from combat

[knotty pasture]

Polymorph an ally into a T-Rex at level 8 for the funny

[severe fox]

for 10 mins 20 if you use meta magic

[sudden hollow]

Oh, people who dont show infuriate me. Dnd is literally the highlight of me weak

[vivid pelican]

Is there a way I can make a fighter that just hates magic so much that it just has no effect on him?

[blissful ibex]

so can turning them into a tiny beast and sticking them in a basket or jar or something

[severe fox]

polymorph needs a save maze does not

[sudden hollow]

Even last session where I only hit 4 of my 18 attacks and 2 were half damage

[blissful ibex]

polymorph lasts 6x longer

[severe fox]

yesnt

[peak yarrow]

wow those are awful odds 💀

[sudden hollow]

I also took like.... 70 damage?

[vivid pelican]

So he can hate magic but it can't have no effect on him?

[sudden hollow]

My average roll is 8.9

[severe fox]

i mean thats a pretty high level ability

[sudden hollow]

I miss almost all of my attacks

[vivid pelican]

This is for a level 17 fighter

[severe fox]

your dex save is kinda bad

[sudden hollow]

Hasn't come up😅

[severe fox]

how? its the most common

[sudden hollow]

I haven't been targeted by anything needed a dex save yet

[severe fox]

i mean being immune to magic is just i feel like impossible?

[blissful ibex]

Run Wild Heart barbarian for the near universal resistances or something maybe
or get access to Anti Magic Field somehow

[sudden hollow]

Just 2 cons and a wisdom

[peak yarrow]

same tbh, whenever i DM i roll at least 5 nat 1s per game

[severe fox]

how have you not gotten into an issue with saves if your rolls are so low

[sudden hollow]

Oh as a dm? I have the COMPLETE opposite problem

[sudden hollow]

Cause i rarely need to make them

[severe fox]

cant chain devils grapple you?

[vivid pelican]

This man is 6'5. If the word "hate" was engraved into every PLANCK LENGTH of his human fiber it would only amount to 1/10000000000 of the HATE he feels for magic

[sudden hollow]

No, it has to hit me

[knotty pasture]

Pick Gnome or something, reflavor your racial trait as pure hatred for magic

[south salmon]

Hello folks.

[peak yarrow]

why does he hate magic

[vivid pelican]

His father used to abuse him with magic

[peak yarrow]

hiya

[severe fox]

i mean a normal grapple str vs str or dex

[peak yarrow]

does it apply to healing / divine magic?

[blissful ibex]

Issue is what you're asking for isn't really possible within the confines of the game; universal resistance and advantage on saving throws against spells is likely the best you're going to be able to do

[sudden hollow]

Oh it never tried

[severe fox]

your dm sounds like it doesnt play monsters very well.

[vivid pelican]

His father would use mind control powers to make him harm himself so when the village guards came the father was able to say "he did it to himself!" Because he did technically do it to himself but through mind control

[knotty pasture]

Totem Warrior Gnome Barb to get the full package

Actually wait since its a small race, go something like Yuan-Ti or Satyr instead

[blissful ibex]

Ring of Mind Shielding and a Mantle of Spell Resistance or similar c:

[severe fox]

yuan-ti is a good pick

[vivid pelican]

I love how these people are actually helping me make a magic-proof fighter that the whole reason he is magic proof is because he hates magic so much

[sudden hollow]

Honeslty? No... last session was the first time I actually felt challenged

[severe fox]

cause your working against yourself with a subpair character

[vivid pelican]

I need a game

I just made a bard that can convince monsters to jump off of high places

[sudden hollow]

He will be more optimized as we level up

Most of my characters suck at low level

[severe fox]

i somehow doubt it

[blissful ibex]

Wildheart is the 5.5e rebrand of Totem; also Asamar tends to be the pick IIRC

[peak yarrow]

i love low level play so much

[severe fox]

since you gotta wait till like wait 2 or 3 levels just to attack twice

[knotty pasture]

I don't think Aasimar gets magic resistance do they?

[severe fox]

No

[knotty pasture]

Of the PHB races only Gnome gets it

[vivid pelican]

Y'all didn't have to help me. You guys could've just said no and bullied me for being a "power player" like my old party did

[blissful ibex]

Prefer tier 2 over tier 1
going to be playing some tier 3 starting next week so will see how I like that XD

[severe fox]

its not power building it just isnt possible

[knotty pasture]

Idk this is hardly optimizing lol, just flavoring

[sudden hollow]

Oh i dont care about attacking twice

My fighter subclass only buffs one attack a turn

[knotty pasture]

Flavoring a racial trait is the best way to go about it cuz I don't think any class gets magic resistance, and if they do its usually locked behind later levels

[sudden hollow]

As dumb as it is

[severe fox]

im still wondering how the bard only has damage spells

[peak yarrow]

oh nice good luck! i've never made it beyond tier 1 but i don't think i'd like the other tiers

[vivid pelican]

What about a sentient slime monster that is an artificer that made a mech suit the size of an average human that he can control with his slime juices 🤔

[severe fox]

bards dont even get that many damage spells

[blissful ibex]

eeh, it's fine; Defensive optomization is one of the least impactful for table enjoyment; just generally has the DM target someone else once the monsters realize you're not easily damaged if they're smart at least

[knotty pasture]

No need to homebrew to make a character who hates magic

[severe fox]

still like not immune to magic through nothing is in dnd

[sudden hollow]

Idk she has only cast 3 spells that I can remember. Dispel magic, shatter, and thunder wave

[vivid pelican]

I know. This one isn't

[severe fox]

ooze armorer

[vivid pelican]

Just a slime that made a suit out of brass and metal because he wanted to move around easier

[severe fox]

thats easy

[blissful ibex]

Plasmoid, Armorer Artificer

[severe fox]

yeah

[tranquil temple]

Guys i need a creature to be responsible for a murder mystery, but I don't know where to start. And not a vampire, too obvious.

[severe fox]

thats.. so weird

[knotty pasture]

A Bhaalist in disguise

[vivid pelican]

Can it be like bigger than just a normal human or is that too power play?

[severe fox]

bard has like the best support spells

[blissful ibex]

can be either small or medium
can take Enlarge/Reduce as a spell if you want to be large assuming you pick medium for the base

[severe fox]

how new are you too dnd?

[vivid pelican]

Very

[severe fox]

do you even know what power play is?

[knotty pasture]

You can reflavor someone's height or weight but not to the point where their creature size increases from medium to large

[vivid pelican]

Only did about 3 games

[peak yarrow]

you might just want to create a normal character and get more familiar with the game and rules

[knotty pasture]

Goliaths and Centaurs etc count as medium despite being... quite bulky

[blissful ibex]

Here's the info on learning the game if you'd like it;

Read the information in 'Playing the Game'; Then follow allong with 'Creating A Character' using either the dnd beyond character builder or roll20 to make a practice character before heading over to #character-discussion to have it looked over.

Feel free to ask any questions you still have in #dnd-newcomers or check out the resources in #learn-to-play ; There's a short interactive module you can play to get a feel for the game, or you could seek out gameplay videos online. Once you're ready to play, head over to #find-a-game, one of the many LFG discord servers, r/lfg on reddit, or your friendly local game store. If you'd like a printable character sheet, those can be found here.

[vivid pelican]

Yeah. Wanting to be way too powerful than what the dm allows and pretty much trying to take the spotlight

[severe fox]

power playing is me being a kalatasher barbarian moon druid

[knotty pasture]

Unless you go out of your way to build (#optimization says hi) you'll be fine

Barb Moon Druid is a hell of a pub stomper in newer tables lol

[severe fox]

it def is

[blissful ibex]

Defensive optomization is generally fine; it's when you start trying to do nova rounds or DC stacking control builds that basically end combats in 1 turn that it becomes a massive issue if it outstrips the rest of the party

[severe fox]

i just like being unkillable ngl

[vivid pelican]

I just want my Slime armorer artificer to be able to fist fight a dragon kind of mech

Not win, but at least be able to

[knotty pasture]

Yeah unfortunately 1v1ing a Dragon's impossible but you can at least be tanky and pretend to be iron man

[severe fox]

i dont care about damage

[severe fox]

depends on the level

[peak yarrow]

i am the exact opposite lol, i want to feel the fear of dying. helps me rp and come up with fun ideas

[blissful ibex]

I mean ,you could easily 1v1 a wyrmling
maybe a young dragon at later levels

[knotty pasture]

Within reason ofc, a level 10 Artificer can probably beat up a wrym but no way can a level 20 Artificer 1v1 an adult red dragon

[severe fox]

adult dragons is the cap at 1v1s

[vivid pelican]

Not 1v1ing, I just think it would be cinematic if your entire party was about to die to a wyvern and mr. Jello cube looks at you and says he has one more trick up his sleeve as a giant mech of brass and metal bursts through the castle walls and slurps up Mr. Jello cube as he starts fighting the dragon as a last man stand to let the rest of the party escape

[severe fox]

i almost die all the time but being able to feel invisible is fun

[knotty pasture]

Sure I mean if the DM's playing along with it you can have Mr Jello stall things out with the funny lizard

[severe fox]

even if its for a moment

[peak yarrow]

you might want to play a few more games mate, this sort of situation doesn't really happen in too many games

or perhaps a very narrative focused table might run with it

[severe fox]

im playing a lich in one of my grim hollow games

super fun

[vivid pelican]

My last party did something similar where they had a goblin named Mr. Munchkin man blow open a dungeon wall to let us escape from a giant slime

[peak yarrow]

what's grim hollow?

[severe fox]

3rd party grim dark book

[blissful ibex]

Love my mildly optimised utility/support caster who cares more about the Exploration Pillar of play though still does decent damage in combat and can set things up for the other players with conditions or debuffs that help them out

[peak yarrow]

mannn i haven't played in like two years, i miss d&d

[blissful ibex]

100% not winning any DPR comparisons but knocking an enemy prone after pushing them right next to the party's fighter is just really fun

[vivid pelican]

Also, my old DM watched alot of horror movies so he put us in a lot of horror settings. The party went to crystal lake and a mysterious murderer was picking us off one by one

[severe fox]

i still think dnd murder myserious can only be played at max level 4 unless the dm bans 1 spell

and its super funny

[vivid pelican]

We were level 11

[severe fox]

LOL

did none of you have speak with dead?

[vivid pelican]

I did, I was a necromancer

Sorry

Auto correct

[blissful ibex]

Just because they were killed doesn't mean they got a clear look at the killer

[severe fox]

that means the killer would have to kill a bunch of people without being seen first

[blissful ibex]

maybe they only caught a glimpse

[sudden hollow]

Yup, the sorcerer has only cast mindspike and chaosbolt.. or is it chaos orb? The lvl one spell

[vivid pelican]

I spoke with one of our party mates named "Cookie" but i was stabbed in the back of the head by a pitchfork before I was done

[peak yarrow]

woah this gives me such a fun idea for a low level quest

[severe fox]

which in dnd is pretty hard

unless there a bunch of commoners

detect thoughts is also a good one same with zone of truth

[blissful ibex]

Could have been sniped from afar, could have been a rogue who stabbed them from behind and kiled them outright, could be a blinding poison and all the victim knows is that the killer had a rather odd vocal tic

[vivid pelican]

I was also alot of npcs strangely enough. The dm once made me do a voice for a mayor then a voice for a goblin and so on and so on

I can make a quick list of every npc I ever voiced but it would be 30+

[blissful ibex]

It's good practice c:

[severe fox]

detect posion

[sudden hollow]

May I friend/dm you? Im definitely gonna lose our convo in this chat and im about to make a long drive

[severe fox]

go ahead

its pretty hard to do a murder mystrey past level 3 if the players know what there doing

you could even hurt a creature a lot thats under the effects of zone of truth and if they failed then they cant say anything but the truth