dnd-discussion

[turbid vessel]

Most of the non moon druid combat utility comes from popping a concentration spell and then turning into a bird to make it harder to get hit

[tame estuary]

spider is awesome when you want to be a spider

[uncut zenith]

Non-Moon Druid’s Wild Shape is better used in my experience for utility/recon, otherwise for their subclass features

[forest agate]

Oh lmao I keep reading about brown bear I thought the idea is to be a statmonster and dish out all dmg in 1 turn

Why wouldn’t you use giant spider over spider?

[humble cairn]

Yeah, you can make your Moon Druid that way if you want, but the class is much more versatile than just rawrsmash.

[woven flint]

Non-Moon Druids definetly shouldn't be looking at wildshape uses

[tame estuary]

I'm a different kind of believer for wild shape, I'm a believer that you choose one specific animal and you can only turn into that

[forest agate]

Right I see

[humble cairn]

Because giant spider can't fit in tiny tiny spaces?

[forest agate]

Lmao you right

[woven flint]

A normal spider is inconspicuous.
A giant spider is very noticeable

[forest agate]

So spider>rat too because climbing

[humble cairn]

Spider, rat, cat ... all great shapes for going unnoticed.

[forest agate]

Okay

[woven flint]

Spider is your best low level climbing option
They don't need to make checks and can climb on ceilings

[turbid vessel]

To reiterate kai: it's not a great practice to use offensive ability as the metric for everything

[uncut zenith]

D&D isn’t a “combat only” system. It has extensive rules for combat, but combat is only one of the three pillars of the game.

[minor cargo]

Campaign idea:
12 druids, each only wild shaping into the Chinese zodiac + cat.
Patron is a dragon.

[wispy vector]

The ₛₘₐₗₗ enemy spider.

[woven flint]

Spiders were my Drow Druids go-to wildshape option for scouting

And he didn't even remember that he was a Drow so the irony is lost on him lmao

[turbid vessel]

You're reminding me that I still wanna run a Threadbare one shot. Maybe I'll do Chinese zodiac stuffed animals

[humble cairn]

So Spider is Tiny, but it doesn't have the " can fit into 1 inch space without squeezing" feature, but most DMs would allow it to like .. walk through keyholes and such, right?

[forest agate]

Yeah I just want to take context that I’m specifically talking about public one shots

[woven flint]

I mean, I'd say so personally
Or at least under doors with cracks at the bottom

[silk hare]

could u explain?

[hot gate]

It's say that's an excellent use of it, yeah. I've seen that a couple of times.

[fair summit]

Tiny doesn't have specified size, it's just the smallest category, so if the DM chooses for the spider to be that small, then yeah it could fit through a keyhole or similar

[still plover]

Regular house spider? Sure. Tarantula? Not so sure.

[humble cairn]

Like .. cats are also considered Tiny, but dang if I'm not going to make my spider form cat sized.

[woven flint]

Drow, Dark Elves, have a Goddess named Lolth. She's known as the spider queen. He didn't know he was a drow because he was transformed into a beast man by a malevolent entity in his lifetime and had his memories sealed away.
The irony was his magnetism to becoming a spider without even knowing

[hollow stone]

Plasmoids are more maneuverable than spiders lol

[turbid vessel]

Yet another example of how a lot of the times, narrative comes first. Spider and cat are both tiny sized. Would you as a GM allow a spider and a cat to get into the same spaces?

[silk hare]

I see, not that deep into the drow lore, thx!

[hot gate]

I think the sizing rules actually make an exception for tiny creatures.

[humble cairn]

Druids can also be some good thieves. Spiderform into a room, put pocket sized object in pocket, then shift back to spider, object is now merged into your form and you can take it out through the keyhole.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, Tiny is kind of the “opposite” of Gargantuan iirc. In that Gargantuan is anything bigger than Huge, and Tiny is anything smaller than Small.

[woven flint]

When one of the party members (Goblin Bard) was braiding his hair (he allowed it because he was bored) the Goblin fella saw a spider tattoo on his neck and asked him about it.. he just shrugged and thought maybe he liked spiders in his past life lol

[warm shore]

If a changeling with 22 strength uses their ability to turn into a fairy, could they still wield a greatsword?

[uncut zenith]

Size categories tend to correlate more with the space a creature commands and less with their physical size anyways. That’s why creatures like playable Centaurs are Medium sized

[woven flint]

2024 rules don't care about size and weapons anymore for small creatures

[tame estuary]

which is a shame honestly

[bronze wave]

the superior vers

[warm shore]

😭 so you telling me there’s fairies with human sized greatswords out here?

[tame estuary]

the part that's a little bit annoying is that creatures have to belong with size categories

[woven flint]

Probably could be
Logistically most would probably have weapons fitted to their size flavor-wise

[humble cairn]

D&D, not a reality simulator.

[woven flint]

Your greatsword as a human could be drastically different from a fairies greatsword lol

But yes, real life physics aren't often a factor in this game

[uncut zenith]

Fairies would also still be punished for using Greatswords due to the Heavy feature anyways

[woven flint]

In 2014 rules
I don't think they care in 2024

[tame estuary]

you just need to have 13 STR

[humble cairn]

Not for Size, not in 2024.

[halcyon bison]

horray for greatsword halflings :D

[dense nacelle]

Greatsword pixies

[warm shore]

Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s hilarious

[tame estuary]

fun concept, hoverboard sword fairy

[halcyon bison]

Maybe I should play a greatsword pixie that sounds fun actually

[humble cairn]

Here is the Monster list filtered for Beasts between CR 0 and CR 1, legal for a level 3 Moon Druid if you ignore any of the ones with a flying speed: https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters?filter-type=0&filter-type=2&filter-search=&filter-cr-min=1&filter-cr-max=5&filter-armor-class-min=&filter-armor-class-max=&filter-average-hp-min=&filter-average-hp-max=&filter-is-legendary=&filter-is-mythic=&filter-has-lair=&filter-partnered-content=f

[humble cairn]

Ooh, like they fly around on a hovering surfboard which is also their greatsword?

So they attack by doing like .. skateboard tricks?

I .. kinda like it.

[tame estuary]

I had early version of my character (lily, ironically) be a witch with a flying sword

[knotty spoke]

Making a one shot is gonna be funny as hell even though I still haven't learn dnd much

[humble cairn]

Very wuxia/xianxia coded.

[tame estuary]

you're making one? really?

[knotty spoke]

Yeh

It's a comedic fantasy one

[tame estuary]

no no, like a flying broom but with a flying sword

I'll send you the art

[knotty spoke]

Instead of a car crash, it's gonna be a horse crash

[humble cairn]

Yeah, xianxia characters ride around on their flying swords.

[knotty spoke]

Sounds stupid but that's the point

Do npcs and monsters have stats like a player's character?

[bronze wave]

more or less

[tame estuary]

please just bother giving them to enemies the players will fight

saves you a lot of headache, especially if everyone of your friends are new

[cerulean monolith]

Technically, but if the players never interface with them, you don’t need to have them defined

[bronze wave]

tho I would, it makes things so much better and Ive seen players catch on

Ive caught on to dms clearly not knowing a statblock or it not making sense

[knotty spoke]

I'm just laughing my butt off this one boss inspired by our friend in class lmao

18 strength, 1 intelligence

Lmao

[turbid vessel]

That's a very large ooze right there 👍

[clear bobcat]

Okay so, how does one start playing dnd.

I mean do i have to make a Character First or something

Or do i Just wing it and join random session

[vale kettle]

oh wait

[true cypress]

yes, you can start with playing around with the character builder. but you will want to fond a group. Check at the local gameshop, or on the beyond forums for the LFG/LFP area

[vale kettle]

Join a table first then during session 0 talk about what character you want to play

[clear bobcat]

Bcs i am, as New as one can be to this

[livid owl]

It's good to familiarize yourself with the basics first, I think there's resources in #dnd-newcomers

The rules and such

Yeah check the pinned messages in #dnd-newcomers

[tame kelp]

Can Arcana check detect a faint magical stuff?

It's like you smell the magic

It's like you see the magic

[humble cairn]

RAW no, but I've seen DMs rule that it can kinda do it.

[tame kelp]

Oh?

As far as I know, Arcana only for recall lore about magic

[humble cairn]

Reasonably I think you can use the Skill to recognize the tools and paraphernalia of casters.

[tender fossil]

Probably tell who made it looking for things like Maker's Marks

[umbral girder]

Only in 4e not in 5e

[small heath]

DMs: what is your logic when you're trying to justify if it's worth attempting to TPK a party? What factors do you consider and what is your mental approach to it?

[umbral girder]

I don’t look to cause a TPK. Usually that’s just how High difficulty encounters swing sometimes

[swift wren]

Depending on the situation, if there is a threat that could take out the party and would be there in the story - it simply is. Despite some shenanigans going right into the afterlife and generally playing with higher lethality than a lot of tables, I roll everything in the open and if its a TPK, then its a TPK. Would never force that on a party tho unless spoken too first, there are better games for that than DnD

[umbral girder]

Also yeah some places the players may discover isn’t worth entering as they are now

Like the Temple of Tiamat having 5 Adult dragons outside will be a deterrent they should poke at.

[tawdry sentinel]

Could they reasonably have done something about it and is it narratively satisfying.

You don't want people dying in random encounters with 4 skeletons in a corridor.

[rough basalt]

I don't like tpks but if it's where the dice fall and it makes sense I won't pull any shenanigans without some strings attached.
I don't really set out to try and tpk.

[fair plinth]

I dont think you should ever truly try to tpk your party but it does happen sometimes

[rough basalt]

Like I told my wednesday group in s0.
There's no "oh random wandering cleric stumbles by and starts casting revivify"

But you could all end up in the Underworld and try to reverse Dantes inferno

Probably one of my favorite ways to handle a tpk if the players are on board.

[river vector]

Funny, I actually have a fraud wandering cleric that is the vampire BBEG in disguise

[forest agate]

tysm

[river vector]

Can't cast a whiff of holy magic, just pretends to do so

[rough basalt]

It's kinda funny how you can change and evolve as a dm

[fair plinth]

Just wondering if they are carrying around a holy symbol wouldnt they be very uncomfortable/actively damaged/obviously a vampire?

[rough basalt]

Two years ago I couldn't imagine trying homebrew sandbox or sandbox alone but now I got two of them going.

[snow zephyr]

I remember back when I thought that restrictions were bad, but it wasn't until I started putting in carefully considered limits that I really started getting a consistent group

[river vector]

Vampires RAW are not affected by holy symbols I'm pretty sure but I homebrewed it so that they are, so "Cleric" is not carrying any holy symbols

[rough basalt]

Yeah my first game I tried to be the "everything is allowed" type dm
Big mistake

Tho now I'm an "everything I own is allowed" but my 2 current campaign have species restrictions due to world lore.

[snow zephyr]

I also started requiring drow to be DM approval and it saved me a lot of headaches

[tender fossil]

When I start a new campaign I usually cut the playable races down to four or five. Makes for a much easier world design

[rough basalt]

There's one species I've added to my world post-games simply cause I forgot about them

[vale kettle]

I mean if they all die in combat they die in combat, it's not that deep

[snow zephyr]

I give my group every last tool to survive and thrive, it's entirely on them if they forget to use them or ignore them

[rough basalt]

Good ole aasimar. I've played one and forgot about them.

[river vector]

"Holy Cleric" of the light goddess actually being my vampire BBEG is just so funny to me

[rough basalt]

So I added them into my world under lore of they're appearing again, but currently they kinda hide from the world.

[river vector]

"Here, have this healing potion"

[snow zephyr]

Because every encounter can end up a tpk if you're running your monsters at their appropriate level of intelligence

[tender fossil]

Or the players don't understand they can run away

[vale kettle]

I dont understand the mentality of hoarding an item to the point of wher you will die not using it, even if it could have saved your characters life

[river vector]

So far my party has just been facing dumb undead and people trying to capture them. Soon they will face a vampire spawn that is attacking the starting village, and a spawn definitely would not hold back, right?

[tender fossil]

Because it might be more important in the next encounter. That's always the mindset

[snow zephyr]

Vampires usually prefer strike and fade tactics iirc

[rough basalt]

That and sometimes people just forget they have items.

[snow zephyr]

Making more vampires or thralls

[vale kettle]

Yeah at that point of they perish there is nothing much to say

[river vector]

This one is commander of a bunch of undead, one of BBEGs lieutenants. Leading an army to attack the town.

[tender fossil]

or The Vampire goes behind the party and resets all the traps

[snow zephyr]

Are they supposed to be incompetent or fairly dangerous?

Or just super deadly?

[river vector]

Fairly dangerous. I don't know if the party can handle a single vampire spawn at third level with five characters.

[tender fossil]

If you played Strahd intelligently, most of the time he'd be unbeatable

[burnt gull]

Depends on party composition and knowledge.

[snow zephyr]

Start with the undead in the town unaccompanied while the spawn goes in and makes thralls alongside a small zombie and skeleton strike force

[river vector]

Fighter, Monk, Artificer, Warlock, Wizard

All are new players, and so am I

[snow zephyr]

Wait til the party has killed about 70% of the horde to introduce the handful of zombies and skeletons before the spawn and the thralls arrive

[jolly agate]

Bloody love artificer

[river vector]

Thralls would be... Commoners?

[snow zephyr]

Whatever humanoid block you want

[river vector]

Perhaps I can guilt the party into not killing the thralls

Use them as meat shields

[snow zephyr]

That's what thralls are for

Make it clear that they're under some kind of hypnosis and remind them about non-lethal attacks at the start of the session

[river vector]

And if the spawn kicks their ass, I can always have the sun come up

Though I doubt a vampire spawn would attack near sunrise...

[snow zephyr]

Yep. "You've been fighting all night and you see the spawn look at the sky with frightful apprehension as it bolts into a nearby barn"

The dawn has arrived

[burnt gull]

Most likely, not they would need silver or radiant damage from a cleric, paladin, or druid in most cases, unless the artificer has some tricks up their sleeve like vampire repellent.

[river vector]

Vampire repellant is funny to me

I have the BBEG in disguise as a holy cleric

[snow zephyr]

The spellcasters should make up for any resistances

[river vector]

He is the head honcho vampire

Could have him sell holy water so they trust him lmao

[fossil shuttle]

Hey, so y'all know how warlocks can get their hands on a few class-specific spells like Vicious Mockery and Sorcerous Burst? Well anyways, my infernal tiefling fiendish warlock now knows Ceremony

[river vector]

But also they could be like "Why do you have so much holy water, almost like you knew the attack was coming..."

[severe rampart]

Depends on how well they are prepared

[river vector]

They should be questioning why the cleric never enters the church

[river vector]

I will foreshadow the attack

But not who the commander will be

[snow zephyr]

An old blind man smelled something rancid from a group that traveled through the town a few nights ago or something

[austere raven]

Does anybody know if there are more official D&D Foundry modules in the works? Phandelver and Annihilation are great, but there's a whole lot of material out there waiting.

[visual bear]

Would this be a cool concept for a character so a sorcerer has a pact with a patron which would also have him be a warlock too but does not get the benefits of a warlock until later and that would be when me as the player would muilticlass into warlock

[still plover]

Could be. The patron wouldn't confer any mechanical benefits until the third warlock level came in, though.

What do you see as the benefits to this build?

[visual bear]

Having a pact but not getting the benefits is more like a story thing for my character. He wants to get stronger and decided a pact would be best and his patron is giving him stuff to do as what usually happens in a pact as a test so the patron can see my characters strength of his own power first before being given the powers of a warlock.

[still plover]

Right, cool, but:

Multiclassing is about what the numbers on your sheet do. It's not a story decision or something that would be cool for your character's personal journey, it's all about the rules involved and how they'll affect you going forward.

[safe raptor]

Anyone know a cool Chanel divinty idea for a mimic knight themed paladin subclass

[still plover]

With the right DM anyone could have a patron and count them as the source of their powers and secret techniques as they advance. Even a fighter!

[still plover]

What's a mimic knight?

Also, just realised these chats would both be perfect for #character-discussion.

[serene jolt]

Also flavor is free. With permission from the DM, you can always mechanically be a sorcerer but have a patron like a warlock.

[true monolith]

You can orient yourself at items which are mimic inspired like the "Mawling Maul". Deal extra piercing dmg as fangs emerge from your gear and people who attack you take some acid dmg (the maul gives the acid dmg to you if you fail to attack someone since the mimic-weapon is drooling, but its a good source of inspiration for a subclass design arround mimics)

[umbral girder]

That’s a question for the Foundry people not here.

[rough basalt]

better off asking in the foundry server itself

[austere raven]

Okay, just didn't know if something had been announced or not.

[rough basalt]

They probably are

[austere raven]

I'll ask at their Discord

[rough basalt]

Foundry isnt wotc so they wouldnt really announce that stuff here

[austere raven]

AFAIK they have a contract though

[rough basalt]

ye but they only announce wotc stuff here i believe

[umbral girder]

That still not on the DnD guys

[rough basalt]

their contract is probably just "hey we can make automations for this right?" "yeah just pay us a bit of the money made"

[austere raven]

No worries, I've asked over there.

[small heath]

Question: as a druid, if I cast moonbeam and I wild shape, am I still able to concentrate on moonbeam?

[harsh hinge]

Yep!

[woven flint]

Yes

[small heath]

Bet. Thanks.

[vagrant pagoda]

What DnD animals do you guys think could actually exist in the real world and nobody would bat an eye

[obtuse stratus]

Dire wolves, mammoths, sabretooth tigers, a few of the dinosuars

[bronze wave]

A brown bear

[vagrant pagoda]

I should have been more specific

[slim cloak]

Yk. I wonder.
If I toss a coin in the air and then cast Eldritch blast, would it hyper accelerate the coin turning it into a projectile?

[vagrant pagoda]

…That have never already existed in the world…

[bronze wave]

it would prob just ruin the coin

[slim cloak]

damn…

[lavish flame]

a coin is probably just gonna get obliterated by an EB

[lavish flame]

Axebeaks tbh. They're basically just cassowaries with a weird bill

[woven flint]

Majority of animals that exist in D&D exist in real life lol

[slim cloak]

So I wouldn’t be able to do what’s essentially just a +ULTRARICOCHET?

[woven flint]

Nope, because D&D alas doesn't work like that

[vagrant pagoda]

Thank you mr obvious

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah was gonna say this. They definitely could.

The Almiraj’s could too.

[woven flint]

That's Captain Obvious to you, Citizen! 🫡
/joking

[slim cloak]

Unless the DM allows it, as is with everything that’s not stated in the HBs.

Or anywhere else

[obtuse stratus]

Some of the Chimeric ones, some giant versions of extant animals, some fantastical versions of normal animals, jaculi

[woven flint]

You're telling me..
That Polar Bears are real?!

And Reef Sharks?
And Giant Squid!?
And-

[obtuse stratus]

Moorbounder

[woven flint]

Stench Kow's are just real life cows ..
They're both just as stinky

[hidden spindle]

Don't they have Dancing Lights?

[woven flint]

Don'tcha know?
Cows love Rave parties

[obtuse stratus]

Seahorse, although what a weird concept for an animal

[hidden spindle]

Must be the methane gas burning

[woven flint]

I know right?
And the Platypus?!

Those couldn't possibly ever exist!

[obtuse stratus]

No idea who comes up with this nonsense

Next you'll be telling me about some kind of pipe fish

[woven flint]

And then they'll say Polar Bears are real...

[obtuse stratus]

As if a giant MAMMAL could survive in the arctic, especially with transparent hair, lol

[woven flint]

Right?
Lol
Nonsense
And NARWHALS?! psh..

[obtuse stratus]

See, there they go again trying to lie about fantastical creatures. Everyone knows those are unicorn horns, like duh

Or Sperm Whales. What kind of people even come up with that junk

Titanotheres

Whirlwyrms

[royal oyster]

what are we talking about

[obtuse stratus]

dnd animals that people wouldn't bat an eyelash about existing

[knotty vine]

Most beast in dnd are things that existed here

[obtuse stratus]

I hit the end of the list of beasts so for the original prompt I think that's it (5e, not 5.5, can't be bothered with all that)

[knotty vine]

I mean when stuff like owlbears exist

I don’t think any of our irl animals can surprise them

Mainly cause they all exist already

[obtuse stratus]

Seriously, though, I'd believe an owlbear over a polar bear. How would it even get to the arctic? Swim? Pfft

[knotty vine]

How did that cave bear get in cave?

[obtuse stratus]

Same way homo habilis did, in the gullet of an axebeak

[knotty vine]

Also dnd has stuff like mimics beholders mind flayers

as well as player adventures

[obtuse stratus]

But seriously, the animals (Beasts) are almost all believable creatures that could exist in the real world, even with the arbitrary "things that haven't existed in the real world already"

[knotty vine]

You do know dinosaurs fall under beast as well right?

[obtuse stratus]

When you compare the beasts from 5e to Pipefish, seahorses, stuff in the deep sea, etc all the beasts are believable

[knotty vine]

I mean there’s a magic monkey

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah, so the topic started with "What DnD animals do you guys think could actually exist in the real world and nobody would bat an eye" and then me saying a few dinosuars and the OP added the arbitrary cutoff of "ones that don't already or haven't previously existed

[hollow stone]

i prefer the probably false concept that DND has happened for millions of years and things evolved like that

[knotty vine]

Oh mimics easy

[obtuse stratus]

I'm gunna avoid going beyond Beasts because I'll be here for a fortnight

[hollow stone]

if owlbears existed i would want to domesticate one

owls have funny looking heads and bears have large, soft bodies, it is ideal for pet

[knotty vine]

Most if beast already existed in our world already

[obtuse stratus]

Those are the only ones I consider animals, lol

[knotty vine]

I think your forgetting they also lay eggs and are one of the most notorious low level killing machines in dnd

[knotty vine]

Cause they ARE animals

[hollow stone]

big platypus :D

[knotty vine]

Beast is another word for animals

Granted we don’t have stuff like giants spiders and such so

[hollow stone]

it would almost certainly murder me so i wouldn't (like a regular bear) but i would really really want to

[knotty vine]

It’s paw is the size of your entire torso

[hollow stone]

then perhaps a loyal steed

if it didn't have the domesticability of a hippopotamus

[vital drift]

If I will be on a trip, what is bare minimum I need as a GM to bring with me to play with my friends?

[knotty vine]

I think the main issue is just how aggressive they are by default

[hollow stone]

like a hippopotamus? or are they actual predatory animals?

[obtuse stratus]

lol, some of them are fake, but those are the ones I think no one would bat an eye at. Now you start throwing ropers out there and I'd assume someone is eating toxic fungus in the caves and came out eith wild stories

[knotty vine]

Literally most beast in dnd are based off of irl animals

[obtuse stratus]

Yes, I was looking for the rest of them that aren't

[hollow stone]

some of them are literally just irl animals, like the Owl and the Bear

[knotty vine]

Pather rat cat spider raven

[hollow stone]

pather?

[obtuse stratus]

It's a roper that lives on paths

[knotty vine]

Panther

[obtuse stratus]

It's 2026, how do you not know about pathers?

[hollow stone]

i don't outside

[obtuse stratus]

Protip- avoid paths

[hollow stone]

i live with my tiny son who is descendant of desert felines

[knotty vine]

I don’t think a roper is a beast

Large Monstrosity, Neutral Evil

[obtuse stratus]

It isn't, I was suggesting it to somewhat point at the ridiculousness of most non-beasts

[knotty vine]

I feel like the most dnd creature you could get in our life life without it causing panic is a Tressym

[obtuse stratus]

But I have accomplished my goal of listing some beasts (animals) that no one would bat an eye at if they existed in the real world, which have never existed in the real world

[knotty vine]

And that’s just a winged cat

[severe rampart]

About to land on enemies using a catapult named "The Gnome Flinger"

[obtuse stratus]

Outside of beasts, I think the unicorn would just be a normal breed of horse, with a horn

[knotty vine]

What about the yeti

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah outside of beasts sure thing

[knotty vine]

Unicorns are celestials

What about goblins

[obtuse stratus]

Therefore it is outside of beasts amd beleivable

[meager fractal]

they should be fey imo

[obtuse stratus]

Nah, I'd bat an eyelash at gobos even if they were normal every day dudes

[knotty vine]

Fey are more evil and unicorns are better you know…

No clue where you saw divine horse and said “fey”

[obtuse stratus]

They do have a link historically to the untouched verdant glades and forests, which are the lands in which fey walk

Questing Beasts exist, too

[knotty vine]

But there also know as incorruptible servants of good-aligned deities

While fey tend to be more chaotic or evil

[obtuse stratus]

I don't recall that in real mythology, do tell

[knotty vine]

It’s not myth it’s dnd lore

While they go hand and hand dnd changes a lot

Like demons and devils being two different types of creature

[uncut zenith]

DnD lore is often loosely based on real-world mythology, but they’re not the exact same

[empty thicket]

waiting someday to see a wild magic sorc summon one for 1 minute and be aware of the whole scene

[obtuse stratus]

I'm just giving some support to why someone may consider unicorns fey like

[knotty vine]

There’s more evidence against them being fey then there is

Unicorns are strongly tied to divinity, acting as sacred creatures of high-level gods rather than whimsical or dangerous spirits of the Feywild.

There’s even that trope in media where you have to be “pure” to even ride a unicorn

[obtuse stratus]

Sigh, this conversation will go nowhere

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, they fit well as celestials. They’re an embodiment of “pure goodness”.

[knotty vine]

Feys ain’t know for being good…

[obtuse stratus]

I will agree that you disagree with the notion that someone would consider unicorns feylike

[knotty vine]

I don’t see but if they love it then I love it for them

[uncut zenith]

I think unicorns make sense as celestials who are often associated with fey without being fey themselves

[knotty vine]

That could definitely work

Besides I think there evil sister the Kelpie is much for Fey like

[empty thicket]

It is toooo hard to kill an unicorn?

[knotty vine]

Not.. really..?

[obtuse stratus]

I will also agree that since WotC purchased Dungeons and Dragons they have definitely made Unicorns very celestial in their descriptions. I cannot say for certainty what TSR has done with them and do not recall Piazo's Unicorns

[lavish flame]

nah not really

[knotty vine]

Why would you through

[tulip sky]

is this the best chat for asking about character creation when it comes to like, narrative ideas and not mechanics?

[lavish flame]

they're pretty easy to kill all things considered

[empty thicket]

its always good to know if something is hard to kill or not.

[knotty vine]

I wish Kelpies were more used

[hollow stone]

food

[knotty vine]

Evil

[obtuse stratus]

Ooo, what if you killed a unicorn and in return were hunted by a Nightmare

[empty thicket]

and im kinda comparing them with my own idea of unicorn from some other countries folklore
Where hunting one is literally almost a deathwish sentence

and one need a LOOOOOOT of prep time for htat

[obtuse stratus]

I believe you need a virgin and maybe a lulliby to pull that off

[knotty vine]

Does no here know what a kelpie is?

[uncut zenith]

I do

[knotty vine]

Hormse

[empty thicket]

yeah, some sort of monster horse that drown people

[uncut zenith]

I’d call them a fey, if not a fiend

[knotty vine]

I nerve called them a fiend

[obtuse stratus]

I remember selkies from Secret of Roan Innish, I think kelpies are similar, or are they the horses?

[knotty vine]

They are appear as beautiful horse near water banks and if someone touches them they get stuck

Then the horse rushes underwater to drown said person

[obtuse stratus]

Definitely not Nochlevee, I think those are the droen you horses... or the murder centuars

[knotty vine]

For some reason there plants in 5e

[rotund thunder]

It feels like, at least in this server, people never specify if they are running a 5e or 5.5e game

there might be a lot more 5.5e games I'd be interested in but I'd never know

[empty thicket]

i remember seeing an animation about it, pretty creepy but i think it give me the proper idea of them

[obtuse stratus]

Ohh, so it is one of the drown you horses

[knotty vine]

They usually use 2014 or 2024 is why

[empty thicket]

yeah, those are hte most common
Few people play older editions for many reasons.

[rotund thunder]

That too, but I've also very rarely seen 2024. People just say they're running "5e" and don't specify I guess

[knotty vine]

I just assume it’s 2024 until told otherwise

[rotund thunder]

Which is fine! But personally I really enjoy the newer rules updates and wish there were more folks running those games I suppose

[tulip sky]

is 5.5e just the 2024 rules?

[rotund thunder]

Yeah, it's technically only dndbeyond terminology right now but 5.5e is much easier to type and say to me

[obtuse stratus]

Eh, not gunna bother, 5e is dead to me aside from solo play and 5.5e sounds like too much effort when I have perfectly good Old School Essentials

[lavish flame]

nah its just the terminology going forward

[rotund thunder]

and much easier to distinguish given that much of the 2024 rules were and still are released after 2024

[lavish flame]

its on the official Wizards D&D site now too

[uncut zenith]

2024 uses the same number of characters as 5.5E btw

[hollow estuary]

The cloak of displacement is a pretty good counter to rogues and a annoyance to barbarians.

Rogues it's obvious you can't attack with sneak attack if the attack is at disadvantage or even if you use steady aim if it's at regular roll.

And for barbarians they can't brutal strike.

[tulip sky]

I feel like a good mix of the two is worth engaging in, some of the changes seem goofy, but 2024 doesn't make "melee weapon attacks" and "attacks with a melee weapon" different things and I appreciate that lol

[knotty vine]

The only thing I don’t like about 2024 is it feels too much like a wargame now

[uncut zenith]

I can’t agree with that. If anything it feels like less of a wargame to me now

[valid geyser]

not if you just say 5.5, also syllables when pronouncing. But all that matters is if we know what were all talking about

[knotty vine]

Lots of flavor has been thrown aside in the sake of simplicity

[true monolith]

More combattactics with weapon mastery alone. Love it tho, adds individuality

[rotund thunder]

Like, I can't just know that artificer has the dreadnought option (spelled dreadnaught for some reason in the subclass) to essentially have hulkbuster armor, or that fighter has effectively legendary resistances with the way indomitable works now, weapon masteries for many classes, and so much more and go back to the old version of the game where warlocks don't get their expanded spell lists prepared, most sorcerer subclasses don't get more spells, and so many other odd things

Meanwhile every online post I see is about some minor issue with the 2024 stuff that will then have at least 12 comments patting themselves on the back for refusing to even take a look at the new rules

[knotty vine]

En spelled weapons gotta be the funniest thing ever

Just put divine smite on my hammer thanks

[rotund thunder]

it is very funny yes

[tulip sky]

I feel like most DMs will have to do a little work to bring certain classes up to performance with others no matter what version is being played unless they are really RAW oriented

[true monolith]

I totally understand how some people say its more wargame-ish than the previous edition. Now you just gotta decide for yourself whether you like that or not

[knotty vine]

Did you know that an Eldritch knight can technically cast more then one spell a turn

[rotund thunder]

Yes, the "one spellslot cast per turn" thing has lots of weird and fun interactions, though is that what you're referring to with that?

[knotty vine]

Improved war magic

When you take the Attack action on your turn, you can replace two of the attacks with a casting of one of your level 1 or level 2 Wizard spells that has a casting time of an action.

[tulip sky]

good lord, catch me vortex warping someone into the path of my axe lol

god I love vortex warp

[severe rampart]

The Gnome Flinger has not betrayed me, hurray!

[knotty vine]

I abused one of my dms boss monsters cause I was bored

[royal oyster]

whats this event

[knotty vine]

I managed to do 4 spells in one turn was it

[rotund thunder]

After seeing so many advertisements and eventually caving to joining a 2014 game that is really quality, I have been reminded how few choices I have. 2024 also lacks a lot of choice and has plenty of issues, but at least my clerics can pick if they want heavy armor or potential spellcasting

[knotty vine]

I’m so evil

[rotund thunder]

Like, an order cleric being given melee and heavy armor is so odd after going back to 2014 because half their features encourage heavy use of spellcasting as much as possible

[tulip sky]

damn, that sounds like a very cool "you get away with it, this time" type of interaction lol

[obtuse stratus]

Wait, what are they doing with Priests in 2024?

[rotund thunder]

Clerics actually didn't get changed very much, but instead of the heavy armor vs spellcasting options being tied to subclasses, you can make those choices on the class. For example, you can pick between adding a wisdom bonus to religion and arcana and getting a bonus cantrip, or getting heavy armor and martial weapon proficiency

[knotty vine]

I think I did something like 8d6+10 4d8+ 12d6

[rotund thunder]

Whereas in 2014, every cleric subclass got either heavy armor and a weapon damage bonus later, or a different bonus instead of armor and the potent spellcasting feature after

[tulip sky]

good lord

[obtuse stratus]

Ohh, okay that sounds fine. I thought they were like 5th level casters or something from the original wording

[knotty vine]

I really didn’t like that guy

[lavish flame]

Clerics have a new class feature that lets them choose to get Heavy Armor prof and Martial Weapons prof OR an extra Cantrip and some skill bonuses

[rotund thunder]

Tiny changes like that are something I really miss when I end up as a player in 2014 games

[tulip sky]

I'm a very big fan of holding off on some super powerful goofy strat that I know will get a "it works this time, but won't again in the future" for the right narrative moment

[rotund thunder]

and I would literally never touch a 2014 fighter, barbarian, rogue, or monk knowing that a stronger, cooler, more fun to play version of the game exists for those classes now

[knotty vine]

Or just be a fighter that can attack 10 times

[severe rampart]

I rolled a natural 1 and a natural 2 in initiative 😭

[obtuse stratus]

Played in a 3.5e game once. The DM didn't screen out 3.0 content, started us at level 13. We leveled up and one party member was Pun-pun

[rotund thunder]

I was also reminded when making a 2014 character how weird the 2014 sorcerer is in hindsight, since for years Tasha's left it with only 2 subclasses that actually give you spells like other spellcaster subclasses

[crimson gulch]

I rolled a 19 for initiative for my flame skulls last night and they dropped 4 fireballs on my party at once

[severe rampart]

oh I'm gonna use a flameskull in my Curse of Strahd

[obtuse stratus]

CoS? Because yeah that is what happens

[tulip sky]

My brain feels like soup trying to remember all of the dnd rules, I've been running cyberpunk red and a homemade system for the last few years. Did that many attacks come from 4 attacks as a fighter, bonus action attack, action surge?

[crimson gulch]

Nope a custom campaigns

[knotty vine]

It’s pretty much just mini wizard if over look subclasses and uh my mind is melting

[obtuse stratus]

Well... flameskulls do be like that. I think they were one of those "the CR is a lie" creatures in 5e

[knotty vine]

Flame skulls are wild in terms of cr ngl

One of the stronger cr 5s

Even if you destroy it you gotta make sure it stays down with a dispel curse or remove curse

[obtuse stratus]

I think they work better as an unliving trap than a creature. Because they are just brutal, so you need to bypass them

[knotty vine]

Or holy water

[crimson gulch]

If they lost initiative it would have been nothing, my party was level 7

[obtuse stratus]

I feel like this is just: Rocks fall, you die. Failing initiative shouldn't be a tpk

[severe rampart]

oh no, I'm planning to use a flameskull against a level 3 party (not just a flameskull)

[crimson gulch]

It could have been, the dice decide who lives and die in my games

[obtuse stratus]

Sounds more brutal than even OSR

[crimson gulch]

I don't pull punches, open rolls, hard encounters, few rests

[knotty vine]

Great way to kill a level 3 party

[crimson gulch]

People tell me my games feel like osr, it's just RAW 5e

[buoyant oar]

Swingy Character Death is sort of baked into the system. It's better now than ever before. But wide scale aversion to death is a relatively new things.

[obtuse stratus]

At least there you're supposed to telegraph, and generally let the party think their way out of a situation. Unless they missed all that before Init was rolled and blundered hard

[severe rampart]

... Might have to nerf the flameskull

[crimson gulch]

They herd fire on the other side of the door and kicked it open

And my goodness did they get fire

[knotty vine]

It literally has magic missile at 2nd level in its back pocket as well as you know fire ball

Then there’s the flame ray attack

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah, rocks fall and you die, but with a save (initiative)

[knotty vine]

And it can also fly

[severe rampart]

not to mention one of my players is vulnerable to fire damage

[knotty vine]

The thing could very easily kill someone

[tulip sky]

yeesh

[crimson gulch]

This was the final encounter of last night's session, after barly surviving a crush trap, a dragon, a spider ambush, a slime drop and blinding mist

[obtuse stratus]

4 can absolutely kill everyone

[knotty vine]

Now how in the hell did that one

He’s cooked

[severe rampart]

oh nothing, it's just a... Curse of Strahd...

[knotty vine]

Especially since they put on a timer

[tulip sky]

better learn to get real sneaky lol

[crimson gulch]

Half the players were knocked out from the flameskulls ans everyone else had more fingers than hp and they made it by the skin of their teeth

[knotty vine]

They better have some holy water on hand lmao

[buoyant oar]

Pretty much every module has at least one encounter where I want a piece of what the dev team was puffing.

[obtuse stratus]

How did your players survive 4 fireballs?

[severe rampart]

||The Spectre in Curse of Strahd, Death House||

[buoyant oar]

Like the intro dungeon in Descent into Avernus.

[knotty vine]

The dead 3 assassins are the most cracked cr 5 monster in dnd

[crimson gulch]

One pc had fire resistance, one was a rogue with evasion and one was a druid with chunky hp

[buoyant oar]

You know the dungeon set in the city that while its name is on the cover bears 0% relevancy to the plot

[dusty ferry]

assassin rogue + shadow monk?

[knotty vine]

Like the aura of murder ability is generally so busted

[obtuse stratus]

Ah, okay, not so much rocks fall then, you just gauged them to be able to survive

Nevermind, good DMing

[knotty vine]

Who made aura of murder dawg

Like there’s this one encounter called the “dead three revenge squad” and it’s clearly an encounter your suppose to run away from cause how bonkers the enemy’s are

[buoyant oar]

Descent into Avernus has the bones to be the best narrative in 5e but then it felt like the Marketing Department got a hold of it.

[knotty vine]

One of the SPELL casters can literally give you disadvantage on any saving throw if your just standing with in 10ft of her

She comes auto equipped with hold person btw

[crimson gulch]

No I was certain they would die, it was up to the dice

[buoyant oar]

It's a very odd encounter for love levels.

[knotty vine]

It’s a level 5 encounter

[crimson gulch]

I run a lot of games like that, I have killed 20 player charicters this year

[obtuse stratus]

Okay, back to Brutal DMing 🤣

[buoyant oar]

I am aware. Level 5 is pretty low in a game that goes to 20

[crimson gulch]

And people love it, running games is My full time job

[obtuse stratus]

Love it in B/X, hate it in WotC D&D

[knotty vine]

Hostile creatures within 5 feet of the user gain vulnerability to piercing damage.

These guys had 1d4+5 damage which could quickly become doubled obviously

So 6 damage become 12

[flint ledge]

Wait this year? We're like 3 months in

[knotty vine]

They could also turn invisible as a bonus action

[crimson gulch]

Correct, I'm running 7 campaigns

And one shots a couple times a month

[knotty vine]

Genuinely such a busted creature

[flint ledge]

I guess that makes more sense

[knotty vine]

They also had muti attack

[flint ledge]

I've only had one player character death this year

[buoyant oar]

Not too bad for 90 days in. My body count is 9 for my two campaigns and West March

[knotty vine]

I had to stop running DIA because too many players kept dying to the revenge squad

[swift wren]

Lost one character, and I think in the groups I gm we had four death and one apocalypse at the end of the campaign :D

[flint ledge]

Am I being too lax or smth

[swift wren]

DIA?

[knotty vine]

Decent into Avernus

[swift wren]

Is everyone having fun? Then no

[buoyant oar]

The Fall of Elturel on the DMsGUILD is just a much better opener to that module in literally every way possible

[knotty vine]

I’m not even sure if your suppose to win the fight imo

[obtuse stratus]

No, what they are talking about is a brutal style of game, I'd probably exit the game if I needed to make 2 new characters in a 5e game. In B/X I'd be fine with it. Different strokes and all that.

[buoyant oar]

I think you are suppose to run away from the revenge squad thing is.

That is the definition of bad design.

[swift wren]

oh yeah, our record was Mörk Borg with 14 character deaths in a session, including one character thrice

[flint ledge]

I am running for one group who asked for a harder campaign

[buoyant oar]

If the mantra on skill rolls is "If its impossible, don't let them roll for it."

Then the mantra on combat is "If its impossible don't let them fight it."

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah I haven't read Mork Borg but I'm pretty sure it's OSR. Who cares about dying in an OSR game, thats part of the charm

[swift wren]

Dont just kill, but use proper encumbarance, permanent injuries and similar. Heart, Knave and others are a great inspiration for that

[flint ledge]

Currently I've just increased health for now on enemies, buuuut I am thinking of giving each creature they encounter a small special ability

[buoyant oar]

Tbh tracking food, water, encumbrance, coin weight, downtime, leads to a much more fulfilled experience for all classes than Dark Souls DnD

[undone rain]

How i feel playing lawful good every campaign

[obtuse stratus]

Permanent injuries do tend to create a death spiral, though. Generally better to kill the character than keep playing it

[swift wren]

Making them spongier is generally not the best idea

[swift wren]

Reason I mentioned heart. A lost arm is bad, but an arm which hurts everytime ghosts is close helps at the same time. There are a lot of games that do the death spiral right and "fun"

[obtuse stratus]

Agreed, just extends fights into attrition. Slower healing makes the game hard for sure (aka you're using spells for healing not using the long rest full heal)

[swift wren]

Also, a harder campaign can be anything from deep, soot-dark grimdark to high fantasy - whatever they are looking for is fine of course

[obtuse stratus]

If they want a harder game discuss with them what you want to do as a group to make it harder. Slower healing, more fights, higher DCs, stronger enemies, etc

[buoyant oar]

There are many tools in the books themselves that make the game harder for most campaigns. They are part of the core rules. Most DMs and players just ignore them.

Like Multiple encounters a day is the big one. Stop letting your team nova everything.

[blissful ibex]

stop running 1~2 encounters and run 3~6 >:3

[crimson gulch]

Long adventuring days are essential for sure

[buoyant oar]

If your party has a lot of money. Track living expenses. That is what the Lifestyle is for.

If your character wants to have the noble lifestyle that is fine.

That is 10 GP a day

[blissful ibex]

also the gritty realism rest rules + sanctuary LR
Short rests are 8 hours
Long rests are 7 days and can only be taken in a safe area like a town/village/etc.

[buoyant oar]

At the end of session award 10 downtime days. And your poor noble has spent 100 GP by merely existing.

[obtuse stratus]

Oh I asked this on Necrotic Gnome's server, does anyone else turn your treasure into gems and jewelry? Just walk around with bling as part of your character's personality.

[severe rampart]

Sleep isstill amazing in 2024

[flint ledge]

What would you suggest?

[obtuse stratus]

Talk to your players.

Then gather ideas and do a kind of session 1/2 where you come up with what to do going forward to make the game harder

[flint ledge]

Honestly permanent injuries are okay if you change the table chances a little bit imo

[lavish flame]

my party does this for "gems weigh less but are valued greatly" reasons

[obtuse stratus]

Got to love a 1 coin weight being worth 200gp

[lavish flame]

a single diamond is much lighter than 5000gp, so storing that money as a diamond is smart for sparing your carry capacity

[buoyant oar]

That is another way to make the game harder. Just because your cleric has money and just because they can cast revivfy does not mean they can get diamonds

[valid geyser]

yeah i like having costly material components not just be "deduct that gold cost from your inventory" so i can as a GM decide to make those components rarer or not

[obtuse stratus]

Got to love having a shadow quartz with the icon of your god set into a piece of silver on the back of your had chained to your fingers and wrists, then having gemstones inlaid into the rings and bracelet, intricate engraving added and swapping links with gold or platinum on the chains. When you run out of ideas work on the massive set of chains hanging from the character's neck, becoming more and more gemstone laden as they adventure until you're a walking bank. It's also like begging for thieves to target you

Honestly I really like the notion of having spellcasting materials on you instead of just running around with an infinite sack of them

[woven flint]

Me when I need a Ruby to cast a spell and some random npc with a ruby ring walks by (I annihilate them in their entirety) /joking

[obtuse stratus]

Suddenly that bat filled cave is REALLY attractive

[woven flint]

Disgusting!!!

[obtuse stratus]

It stops being disgusting when everything is on fire

[woven flint]

the Bat Guano isn't consumed by fireball 😔

[obtuse stratus]

It has no value, you can easily say it is

[swift wren]

Too many questions regarding the game, is it low or high fantasy or similar. But general, timers are great (6 rounds before the demon transforms), alternative goals during fights (repair the bridge/coach, stay in zone, conquer zone) and generally clearly telegraphed and strong attacks of opponents (minotaur will charge person furthest away at end of turn for 3d8 damage)

[flint ledge]

I wonder how they store it in their components bag

[serene jolt]

Thoughts on using Fog Cloud (or similar) as a Moon Druid then shifting into something with blind sight?

[obtuse stratus]

Just a ball of guano, they break off a bit at a time. Never shake a wizard's left hand

[woven flint]

Just cast faerie fire and give your whole team advantage

[serene jolt]

But giving dis on yourself is nice too.

[woven flint]

What?

[serene jolt]

Fog Cloud impedes vision

[woven flint]

I'm aware

[serene jolt]

They have dis on attack rolls on you if you sit in it.

Then if you have blind sight, you're unaffected

[woven flint]

Ah, I thought you were saying giving yourself disadvantage was nice. Lmao

[serene jolt]

🤣 Sorry weird wording

[blissful ibex]

FC is better used defensively unless the entire team has ways to see in there

[woven flint]

I mean, yeah, but giving disadvantage to your teammates and impeding vision for them as well isn't so nice

[serene jolt]

True true. Maybe if the enemies are separated a bit

[woven flint]

Also, most animals that have Blindsight aren't particularly good a combat
(Looks at bats for example)

[blissful ibex]

not really; it's still a flat roll ; if the enemies are blind ,you have advantage on attacks so the advantage and disadvantage cancel out

the main issue is if you have casters trying to use LoS spells

[serene jolt]

There's a third party book that has a beast that is pretty dang good. Called a Moledog.

It has multi-attack with lots of damage, blind sight, and it can burrow which is cool.

[blissful ibex]

or classes that dependon advantage like rogues; though they still get to do stuff assuming you have a martial standing next to the target

[woven flint]

Personally? I'd just impede enemies in other ways like plant growth or something

[blissful ibex]

or you just WIld Companion for the bat familiar and use your BA to get 60 ft of blindsight c:

[blissful ibex]

it's useful verses casters or enemies with sight based abilities (which is surprisingly a lot of them)

[serene jolt]

I chose the creature because it's a CR 1 medium. The blind sight and burrowing was just a bonus.

[blissful ibex]

also disrupts pack tactics IIRC

[woven flint]

That'd bring weird problems then
Like attacking while looking through another creatures sight, it'd probably have some weird ruling

[serene jolt]

It also takes a bonus action

[woven flint]

Which druids don't like to waste

[blissful ibex]

nope; you share senses and they count as your own; just centered on the other creature

[flint ledge]

Those are some nice ideas, it's sort of high fantasy, magic and magic items are just much harder to make/ learn

[blissful ibex]

you can see the enemies at that point, and that's the only requirement

[woven flint]

Honestly, I might sound like a jerk for this
But I'd impose disadvantage on people trying to attack through their familiars vision
Distortion of perspective and body

[blissful ibex]

Advantage Canceling: If both combatants are blinded, attack rolls are made flat.

Blinded Condition Confers Advantage/Disadvantage: If only the attacker can see the defender, the attacker makes attacks rolls at advantage against the defender; If only the defender can see the attacker, the attacker makes their attack at disadvantage.

Oppurtunity Attacks Require Vision: Opportunity attacks require that the triggering creature is visible to the creature making the attack.

Blindsight/Truesight negate hidden if not behind full cover: Hiding Provides the Invisible Condition, if a hidden enemy is not behind full cover, they are automatically visible to a creature with either Blindsight or Truesight if they are within the applicable sensory range.

Blindsight: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#Blindsight
Blinded Condition: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#BlindedCondition
Advantage and Disadvantage Cancel out: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#Advantage
Opportunity Attacks require Vision: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#OpportunityAttack
Hiding Confers Invisibility: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#HideAction
If you can see an Invisible Creature, It does not gain advantage for rolls against/by you: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#InvisibleCondition
Fog Cloud Breaks Line of Sight: 2024 Dungeon Master's Guide, Page 45, 'Line of Sight'

here's my vision reference sheet

[woven flint]

My point still stands, it's something I'd personally do as a dm lol

I mean, let's be real, unless it's sitting like.. right on your head, that perspective swap would be kinda strange

I do like the idea though

[blissful ibex]

more so you want it flying overhead like at least ~25 feet up

[vagrant pagoda]

So funny going back and watching people argue insistently that 5.5e shouldnt be called 5.5e.

[blissful ibex]

otherwise it's at risk of eating AoEs

[woven flint]

I think of the character was naturally blind (which I really kinda wouldn't want at my table because there's no fine rules for playing characters without normal vision, at least to my knowledge and theres no way im just giving out blindsight 😭) I think if they used the familiar to see in combat, I wouldn't impose disadvantage.. I dunno if that sounds strange or not

Though, maybe I could use percise senses from Pathfinder

That'd be a bit of a problem for spellcasters in 5e though because most spells require sight

Maybe blindsight would just be the best bet

[tender fossil]

We call 5ther edition. It's the fifthist of all editions

[woven flint]

I just call them '14 and '24 because I just like it lol

[vagrant pagoda]

I dont really care what you call it! But I remember calling it 5.5e just in casual conversation here to talk about it and getting people going: "Um, actually, it's not 5.5, it's just an update. Dont call it 5.5"

[serene jolt]

Wait so if you're invisible (and they don't have blind sight or anything), do you trigger op attacks?

[valid geyser]

i dont think anything says they don't

[blissful ibex]

5e14 and 5.5e24

[serene jolt]

The text block that was just posted above

[hexed girder]

i just call it 5F 🤣

[blissful ibex]

no, they need ot be able to see you
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#OpportunityAttack

You can make an Opportunity Attack when a creature that you can see leaves your reach using its action, its Bonus Action, its Reaction, or one of its speeds. To make the Opportunity Attack, take a Reaction to make one melee attack with a weapon or an Unarmed Strike against the provoking creature. The attack occurs right before the creature leaves your reach. See also “Playing the Game” (“Combat”).

[quartz shuttle]

Good day

[serene jolt]

That's dope. Noted.

Is this a 2024 rule or is it also in 2014?

[valid geyser]

ok yeah opp attacks are sight dependant nevermind

[quartz shuttle]

I've joined for a very specific purpose, but I still hope to get along with everyone

[humble cairn]

It's both.

[vagrant pagoda]

Also known as 5EE.

[serene jolt]

Noted! I'll make sure to correct people when I'm using invisibility as my Archfey lol

[woven flint]

My Cleric has had true sight since level 4
(Got really lucky and rolled a robe of eyes for loot because dm let us roll)

It's really fitting too because he's a Knowledge Cleric

[blissful ibex]

I got a Harmonious Robe of Eyes from an AL module recently

[burnt valley]

realism moment

[woven flint]

That's how I found out that the private detective in Waterdeep, Victor .... ||Is actually a Rakshasa||

Very fearful moment, I was sweating.

[serene jolt]

On this topic, where does it say that?

There's a 'share senses' ability but it's a bonus action and lasts until the start/end of your next turn.

[burnt valley]

just realized the Guardian property gives you like a +2 to initiative instead of +1 i've heard about

[blissful ibex]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2618877-find-familiar

Additionally, as a Bonus Action, you can see through the familiar’s eyes and hear what it hears until the start of your next turn, gaining the benefits of any special senses it has.

[serene jolt]

Yes. That is a bonus action.

[blissful ibex]

yes, it's a BA

[serene jolt]

Until the start of your next turn. You said it was free.

[blissful ibex]

Nowhere did I say it was free

[serene jolt]

Here

[burnt valley]

so...what if i stack Guardian Half-Plate+1, Guardian Shield+2, Guardian Arcane Grimoire +2, Guardian Amulet of the Devout+2 and Guardian Fate Dealer's Deck +2....

[serene jolt]

Oh you were responding to someone else. Mb. I thought you were saying nope to my comment. Lol.

[burnt valley]

this is a +10 bonus to initiative lmaoo!!

[woven flint]

Do you guys know how much of a curse having truesight in a crowded city like Waterdeep is? 😭

You see things for certain.

[blissful ibex]

#dnd-discussion message here's the specific message even where I explicitly called it out as being a BA

[serene jolt]

If you have access to that many magic items, especially some of which require attunement, then so be it, take +10 init. 🤣 Kudos for the dedication.

[valid geyser]

yes if you have free access to every magic item you ever want youd get strong bonuses

[woven flint]

On the bright side, I can also see the Poltergeist that lives in our Tavern (he was the former owner) he makes sure everyone is doing well

[serene jolt]

With just one weapon of warning, you can also give yourself and your allies within 30ft of you adv on init as well.

[blissful ibex]

Depends on your DM; some interperate every instance of Guardian as being the same effect, which doesn't stack while others will allow it to

[burnt valley]

Only 3 requires attunement, the rest doesn't so it works, awesome sauce

[tender fossil]

If you want to really make it a curse, there was one guy from baldur's gate 2 that had essentially planer sight. His vision extended into the astral and ethereal planes and he couldn't turn it off

[burnt valley]

Its for AL, so its bound to happen

[serene jolt]

If a person wants to dedicate that hardcore to having more init, I'd allow it. They used all (or most if they're an Artificer) their attunement slots for just extra init. XD

[blissful ibex]

ye, just bring it up with the DM before the game and ask so you know if you need to swap attunements or not then

[burnt valley]

Ahh I see, I wonder if RAW it does, imma ask my friends from the other side

[blissful ibex]

in AL explciitly they advise to ask the DM prior to the game/mustering if possible to get a table ruling becuase it's one of those grey areas in RAW

[burnt valley]

fair enough for online but my local table's recent DM is very accepting of bs so yippee!!!11111!!!!

[burnt valley]

Ahh darn I see

[blissful ibex]

could always see about trading for a weapon of warning as those give advantage on initiative rolls to all allies in 30 feet of you while you have it on you and are attuned to it c:

also wakes you up if you're in one of those rare modules that actually interrupts your LRs

[brittle vessel]

Que paso

[burnt valley]

Ohh yeaah, I could try getting that, I really need to clutter up magic item junk in my AL inventory theres so many things I dont want nor need on my character rn

[blissful ibex]

I have a literal spreadsheet attached to the digital version of my play log XD

I just stuff all the vaulted magic items and consumables and crap in there >:3

[undone rain]

When it comes to oneshots, do you usually start at a high level or nah

[blissful ibex]

depends on the oneshot; could be any level

could be 5 could be 17

[undone rain]

Dang alr

[burnt valley]

do you has Amulet of the Devout+2 in the vault? 🥹 👉 👈

[dapper cloud]

My default one shot level is 4. They have their core kit and a feat but don’t have extra attack or level 3 spells.

[severe rampart]

My entire party tried attacking two unconscious enemies, all of us missed 😭

[blissful ibex]

nope XD

[burnt valley]

noooooooooo

[blissful ibex]

that'd be nice lol

[blissful ibex]

to be fair, could easily service award that; it's only a rare; would just need to play 10 hours of streamed sessions (bonus in that it also gives you a level up for any character, not just the one you claim it on, and 20 DT)

or otherwise run one of the tier 2 golden vault adventures or look up which modules give it and beg your dm to run one q_q

[burnt valley]

dammit, i should finish writing my hardcore T2 module so i could run it myself after playtesting

[blissful ibex]

there's a thing you can do where you can opt not to get service awards for DMing a module and get the rewards for it on one of your characters as if they'd been a player in the group

[obtuse stratus]

Ungh, I hate how in Lost Mines of Phandelver one of the first experiences early parties got was "oh you don't have darkvision, well you get flooded" It just starts off the whole "Humans are a tax on the party"

[burnt valley]

Ahh I see

[blissful ibex]

Gain Rewards as if You Had Been a Player: You can opt to gain the same rewards as if you were a player at a table that you Dungeon Mastered. The rewards must be assigned to one character of the same tier who has never played the adventure.* They then cannot earn rewards from that adventure again, through play or service awards (in this or a future reporting period). This award can be claimed 10 times and costs the hours you Dungeon Mastered the adventure and stacked hours (like from streaming and running new players through the adventure).

off page 3 of the most recent Service Award Document

[blissful ibex]

Which is why you bring a Light Source q_q

even if you have darkvision; bring a light source

[obtuse stratus]

To get flooded by the goblins?

[twin raft]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1467248093304197182/1481075737070010388/concac.gif

[blissful ibex]

Hooded lantern, flip it down and book it

[twin raft]

Yo gurt

[still plover]

You have guys going in the dark without a light or darkvision? They're not prepared adventurers. Bet they don't even have rope.

[obtuse stratus]

It does say "any light" and without darkvision you really can't see up there

[obtuse stratus]

No, no, I'm saying having a human in the party is a tax on the whole party, because having a lightsource at all, immediately means the goblins flood the caves

[blissful ibex]

if you're level 3, have someone prep the darkvision spell
otherwise tie a rope to them and drag them along XD

[obtuse stratus]

At this point a party has 75xp

[blissful ibex]

more loot

[blissful ibex]

I don't know what that means; I play milestone

[obtuse stratus]

Level 2 is 300 xp, even then the milestone would be at the end of this section of the adventure

[blissful ibex]

so what you're saying is, if you don't bring a light source, you miss out on XP

[obtuse stratus]

No, what I'm saying is: If you have someone without darkvision the whole party gets flooded out of the cave because they are carrying a light source

As an introduction to Dungeons and Dragons

With the first 5e starter box

[blissful ibex]

which sets up a lovely puzzle of, "How do we drag the human through the cave without a light when we go back in?"

[cobalt schooner]

Just lead the human by the hand 🙂

[final turtle]

Backpack human 😋 🤣

[proper forum]

How true is the stereotype of druids spending 90% of their time in wild shape

[still plover]

Nah.

[proper forum]

And the party is just like 4 human-ish people and a bear

Druids can't talk while in wild shape can they?

[obtuse stratus]

Never suspicious at alll. Bears on unicycles, every last one of them

[final turtle]

No they cant

[proper forum]

It probably wouldn't be that weird since most parties consist of fairly weird species, with at least one being an anthropomorphic animal

[blissful ibex]

I'm pretty sure the last Time I used it on my druid was close to 30 sessions ago
and I didn't even need to use it for what I used it for; i mainly did it because it was a valid option for the thing and I literally hadn't used it up to that point

[obtuse stratus]

Plus a Saiyan and an Autobot

[blissful ibex]

in 5e no, in 5.5e yes

[proper forum]

Glad to know, now the druid class is slightly more appealing to me. Just slightly. They're still my least favorite class.

[blissful ibex]

they're my favorite, and it's by a lot XD

[proper forum]

No offense to any druid mains I don't hate any of the classes. This one just doesn't appeal to me as much.

[obtuse stratus]

I'm that way with Bards... actually Bards, Warlocks and Druids are the bottom of my list XD

[proper forum]

See guys we can have different opinions and still get along

[rotund thunder]

After reading some of those nerdy optimization guides, I'm realizing that 2024 artificer can actually do some crazy cool things. Just as a fun little example, I learned, converting spell slots into charges could let you turn a level 1 spell slot into an extra charge for an item like the helm of teleportation, letting you cast teleport more times a day with only a level 1 slot

Which seems pretty crazy to me

[proper forum]

I never thought I would play s druid or a ranger. Druids because of the stereotype of constantly being in wild shape because I don't want to play as an animal. And Rangers because to me they feel weak and kinda useless. I'm probably wrong, but from what I've seen the best they can do is cast pass without trace.

[knotty vine]

yo does anybody here play dnd?

[rotund thunder]

Yeah, I have at least 2 games a week currently

[proper forum]

Artificer is another one I'm never gonna play because I don't wanna be kooky goofy inventor

[proper forum]

👁👁

[obtuse stratus]

Nope, I think that's pretty legit. You are powering the item with a whole spell, the item doesn't understand the power it's just charged to 20% or whatever, then it uses that 20% to power a teleport because it's designed to only use 20%. Sure it's upscaling a slot, but it's a really niche upscale.

[knotty vine]

welll?

[obtuse stratus]

With other people? Usually not

[proper forum]

Gurl... look at what server we're in.

[rotund thunder]

Fair enough, but it is neat that you can essentialy give up spell slots to power items that use charges to do far more powerful things with charges

[obtuse stratus]

Neat is a very good descriptive word. Play an artificer, lol

[knotty vine]

alright now what

[river vector]

Haha soon, very soon I shall trick my party with my vampire BBEG pretending to be a "holy cleric". I can hardly wait

[proper forum]

To answer your question, yes

[obtuse stratus]

Hopefully they make him a holey cleric

[rotund thunder]

Artificer flavor has never appealed to me all that much, but I really enjoy the mechanics and I do think it fits most worlds better than people realize

I've seen way too many people insist that artificers just don't fit their worlds cause they're too futuristic or steampunk

[river vector]

He stole the parties souls already, maybe he will steal their hearts as well

[proper forum]

Buddy... I'm sorry to ruin it for your but your players will probably see it coming. The "religious figure turns out to be evil" trope has been done a million times already.

[rotund thunder]

I am doing the same twist but she's like, an actually good person

[obtuse stratus]

So in like 3.5 there was a pretty cool set of artificer stuff you could do, and it was pretty great. Still would pick a wizard because who wouldn't, but I thought it was cool.

[river vector]

My players know not of any tropes. And this would be a wandering cleric that follows them.

[obtuse stratus]

I hope you got the heart part right and I get the hole part right

[rotund thunder]

in the 2024 stuff with the ranged martial weapon stuff I've become more interested in artillerist as well, flavoring it kinda like a guns blazing pistol/musket blaster who fires spells from their firearm

[proper forum]

If you slowly ease them in from the start and don't drop any hints (like none at all) they won't know

[river vector]

Lol they are supposed to figure it out eventually

Vampire will say he is scared of water when they get to a river

Family drowned or something

[obtuse stratus]

I hope not. You need some foreshadowing otherwise it's just out of left field. Wait is this Curse of Strahd or super Grimdark?

[proper forum]

Don't ask me, ask the person who is actually running the campaign

[wispy vector]

You can also just be the guy with a chainsaw and full auto crossbow :P

[rotund thunder]

What I would give for players who don't know any tropes. Some of my players know my major inspirations and it's hard to avoid ripping things off directly

[obtuse stratus]

I was responding to you with the former, hopefully the OP is present enough to also read it 😉

[river vector]

This is not curse of strahd, this is my homebrew campaign I made

[proper forum]

I'm sorry but when I hear "artificer" I can only think of a goofy cartoon scientist with big glasses. Literally.

[humble cairn]

I feel pretty useful on my Beast Master, in many different capacities. I suggest you try it out for yourself rather than rely on hearsay.

[obtuse stratus]

Then that's just out of left field... unless it's super grimdark give them some minor hints

Oh, you already said scared of water, that's enough

[obtuse stratus]

I imagine a gnome with a big cigar and bouncing around like a ferret

[river vector]

I do plan on having the vampire never actually enter the church (standing outside it)

[obtuse stratus]

stand outside the gate (it's all consecrated ground) if they don't get it it's their fault

[proper forum]

I'm not relying on hearsay, I've had a ranger on 2 out of 3 campaigns I've been in. They're mainly there for utility and out of combat, but they are easily surpassed by other classes. Bards are better at roleplay and manipulation and clerics are better at healing and giving buffs. They also don't deal that much damage compared to other classes. In a party with multiple people each one is meant to fill a specific role, and someone who can do a little bit of everything but not that great isn't that good in that context.

[wispy vector]

Then just start calling them differently and/or use a bit of flavor :D
Mechromancer, cyborg, rune smith...
Or just refer to the subclasses, I mean artillerist sounds kinda badass for dnd imo.

[humble cairn]

And yet, I don't feel that way on my Ranger. I have been pretty crucial fairly often.

I have great Utility and I consistently make great contributions in combat as well.

[obtuse stratus]

Post WotC I feel like ranger is a waste, cool concept, that level of the game kind of atrophied

[proper forum]

In videogame terms how would you describe your ranger? Buffer? Healer? Damage dealer?

I said damage dealer instead of DPS because it rhymes

[humble cairn]

I'm an Expert with a spell list that has most often been used to Control enemies.

[humble cairn]

And DPS doesn't make sense in D&D terms anyway.

[obtuse stratus]

DPR

[undone rain]

I forget that WOTC is owned by hasbro. Same company that made my little pony lol

[humble cairn]

D&D roles: Damage, Utility, Control, and Support.

[brave niche]

Hey folks, is there an appropriate channel in here for a group of players looking for a DM possibly in the long term. Even beginner DMs as we are a beginner group to all learn together 🙂

[obtuse stratus]

Same company that sends Pinkertons to your house if you get some cardboard legally

[proper forum]

I'm assuming you specifically built them to be a debuffer then

[undone rain]

Genuinley insane

[humble cairn]

Not specifically, no. I am a Wisdom maxed Beast Master. All my attacks are Wisdom based, and so are my companions, and my Spell Attacks and DCs are also Wisdom based.

But Control is an extremely useful choice for my Concentration, so that's what often happens.

[serene jolt]

#looking-for-dm

[obtuse stratus]

Eh, liked them better when there was an entire section of the game based on wilderness exploration

[humble cairn]

Shillelagh is great in '24, the scaling damage is nice. Magic Stone isn't quite as good, but it's a nice ranged option that benefits from Extra Attack, still Wisdom.

[valid geyser]

should barbarians have a limited amount of rages? I'm just curious on the opinion, since in my head it seems like barbarians have it rough in games with a lot of fights per day

[drifting zodiac]

Hi I am back

[humble cairn]

I had two attack at level 3, 3 at level 5, 4 at level 7. More and more with the spell slots on my Summons. All Wisdom based.

[proper forum]

Maybe my damage dealer brain can't understand how to play anything else... Even though my other 2 characters have been a tank and a support.

[serene jolt]

Yes. In 5.5e, it lasts 10 minutes, they can BA extend it, and get 1 charge back on a short rest.

[humble cairn]

I can supply an answer to just about any problem the party faces, and often have. Last combat I was more of a healer than I had ever been, picking up two partymates form 0 hp in one turn.

[serene jolt]

So as long as the Barbarian is being smart with their rage, they'll be fine. Giving them unlimited rage is broken imo.

[humble cairn]

Do I heal all the time? No, but when I needed to I was able to provide.

[proper forum]

Paladin game plan: Sit at the front, take damage, Smite, heal if necessary. Boom. Very easy.

[humble cairn]

Healing Word from Druid Initiate and Cure Wounds, since Healing Word didn't take a spell slot.

[valid geyser]

broken seems, a bit of a strong word for it

[serene jolt]

But most martials get some resources back on short rests.

[proper forum]

Yeah I think Ranger might be too complicated of a class for me

[humble cairn]

I am constantly using all of my Action economy every round of combat.

[serene jolt]

Ranger is easy to play, hard to master. I agree.

[blissful ibex]

ranger is basicallyt cast HM and attack

[serene jolt]

They're a very good damage dealer though.

[humble cairn]

One session I used my free object interaction to pass a net to my companion, then I threw one net myself, followed by a Magic Stone, used my bonus to command the companion to throw the net. Then I walked my max distance and help up my hand, the companion used their second attack to grapple me (I voluntarily failed) and dragged me even further so we were out of line of sight from the spells of the lich.

[proper forum]

More like hard to play, hard to master because you have like 10 different jobs like what do you even do

[humble cairn]

No, it's really really not.

[blissful ibex]

not according to WotC /j

[serene jolt]

I dunno, anyone can pick up and play a ranger.

But mastering it takes some time and skill.

[valid geyser]

i think if anything would have to be balanced, maybe some sort of timer like, if your rage ends you have to wait another minute to do it again
but even still, i don't think thatd solve the issue of barbarians being too weak to monsters that can incapacitate you

[blissful ibex]

but yeah, it's not a complicated class

[serene jolt]

But that's most classes tbf.

[worthy maple]

Is it bad that I accidentally created a character that can have up to 40 ac at level 3?

[blissful ibex]

how?

[proper forum]

Show me your ways

[worthy maple]

I started with a tortle barbarian and went ham from there

[valid geyser]

tortle AC and unarmored defense would not stack

[dapper cloud]

Did it involve magic items?

[serene jolt]

Ranger is just a little more niche for some people I've noticed.

[worthy maple]

yes.

[dapper cloud]

Then it won’t happen.

[proper forum]

I'll name mine Donatello 😈

[worthy maple]

wait they don't?
I thought the tortle ac was base ac

[river vector]

Raphael is a better name

[valid geyser]

its base AC but unarmored defenses calc is 10+con+dex, not base AC+con+dex

[humble cairn]

Depends on what subclass and how well you use your action economy. When you have a Primal Companion that turns your Bonus Action into a whole other Action and Bonus, it can get a bit finicky. #dnd-discussion message

[serene jolt]

Kinda like how mage armor wouldn't stack with it

[worthy maple]

ah well eithr way, I can still get quight high ac

just about a few lower than I hoped

[valid geyser]

ddont get me wrong, tortle barbarians are pretty good because its essentially free half plate, and you can put less points into dex

[dapper cloud]

Having a dozen magic items makes you stronger, yes.

[worthy maple]

I Only actually accounted for one-

[dapper cloud]

Which one?

[serene jolt]

A lot of tortle classes are pretty good. Wizard or sorcerer? DW about mage armor. XD

[valid geyser]

its just usually when someone comes up with some god tier AC build, it has some issue, or assumption on equipment you probably wouldnt have like plate armor at level 3

[serene jolt]

My cleric with plate armor at level 3

[worthy maple]

either ring or cloak of protection (Wear the cloak like a scarf)

[dapper cloud]

Aren’t those just a flat +1?

[serene jolt]

Depends on the DM whether people will be able to get plate by level 3 xD

[worthy maple]

+1 to ac & saves

[valid geyser]

more often players get plate when their DM gives it out

[worthy maple]

I was hinging more on the path of the beast feature

[valid geyser]

i dont think ive seen people buy palte armor with money

[valid geyser]

oh yeah that infinite AC hypothetical.

[serene jolt]

Yeah we went to a super dangerous temple and came across some gold and magic items. I was saving for a bit and could get it.

[final turtle]

Yeah cuz it too expensive

[worthy maple]

yep

also it makes sense really because tortle

[serene jolt]

But I saved every silver piece because I really wanted plate xD

[valid geyser]

yeah just good luck getting any DM to rule that the beast barb AC stays

[worthy maple]

the dm I usually play for's rule is that if we can make a convincing argument about the nuance in the book we can get it

[potent vector]

I mean, Tortle + Haste + Bladesinger equals 27 AC and still the availability to attack by level 5

Haste isn't a good spell, but it's cool

[valid geyser]

maybe for a little bit your DM will let that work, but eventually theyre gonna just say "hey for the sake of the game you cant have infinite AC the beast barb tail now works like defensive duelist it ends on your turn"

[serene jolt]

In what world is haste not good?

I think haste is frickin awesome

[dapper cloud]

Haste is only not good compared to how obscene it was in earlier editions.

[obtuse stratus]

Upside down world where haste is slow and slow is haste and create water is fireball

[potent vector]

It's okay, but you need to make sure you kill everything before it's over, or that Incapacitated Condition is in no way worth whatever value you got from it

Hence just not good

[serene jolt]

But slow is also good. At least I find it to be helpful when a creature attacks 6 times in a row.

[valid geyser]

the incapacition can be rough, especially if youre casting it on yourself, but usually its worthwhile

[sly crest]

hey, if giant elk are celestial, can you make a pack with them?

[serene jolt]

Yeah that's fair. But even so, while you're hasted, it's amazing. But I think the incap lasts a round, right?

That's not a horrible downside then. Rough but not the end of the world compared to the hasted actions.

[potent vector]

Yeah, but just as Combats only last 2-3 rounds, think of it as -30% of the combat where you can fight

[valid geyser]

but usually its assumed you make pacts with creatures above CR 2

[sly crest]

"you receive: divine powers. I receive: carrots on demand."

[valid geyser]

it's like making an undead warlock's patron a single ghoul

[serene jolt]

If you get really, really unlucky and lose it after only one round, then I can understand it being 'bad'.

[sly crest]

no worries, it was the setup for a joke

[valid geyser]

but you know, an animal lord would work for that, theyre celestials right?

[valid geyser]

true, i did get a chuckle out of the concept

[serene jolt]

It's like taking one round as a prep round. But also while potentially taking more damage xD

[potent vector]

Not bad, just swingy, which in 5e/5.5e, means not good

[valid geyser]

it's bad if you lose concentration, which you can play around

[serene jolt]

But I mainly haste another person then get out of the way.

[valid geyser]

usually it means dont cast it on yourself, try not to be a target, maybe take war caster

[serene jolt]

Like if I haste, I'm usually the backliner 🤣

[valid geyser]

enspelled weapon of haste is also a good solution if you got the time and money for that

[potent vector]

Oh yeah, if the magic item crafting optional rule is used, absolutely

[woven flint]

I arise!!!

[jolly cipher]

Hi

[woven flint]

Howdy

[jolly cipher]

Hru

[woven flint]

Living, existing, virtual insanity

[jolly cipher]

Kewl

[woven flint]

Hell yeah

[jolly cipher]

I got dnd tomorrow

Made my first cosplay for this campaign

[woven flint]

That's pretty neat

[prime pewter]

I find it INCREDIBLY funny that my warlock with six ints patron is Juiblex. King (of nothing) I am so sorry, but you chose the wrong guy for the job

The upside is that my warlock loves to destroy stuff, making him very in line with Juiblex (minus the complex plans)

[woven flint]

Ghaunadaur is the cooler slime Deity

[prime pewter]

In urban fantasy settings, cults to lords of oozes should run slime video content farms

[woven flint]

Lmao

[warm forge]

Hey guys, I’m creating a dungeon for a two person party, this is my first time doing it, and I’m a bit nervous, any tips?

[livid owl]

#dm-world-building might have people who can help?

[craggy summit]

Try researching 5 room dungeons, they're very neat Actually!

[warm forge]

Ooo okay!

[serene jolt]

With my sorcerer, we're starting at level 5 and cuz mine is a late joiner to the party, I get 2 uncommons of choice. Should I grab a dagger/light crossbow enspelled with shield and just not prep shield? At least until I get higher level.

It'll save me spell slots 😅

[serene jolt]

Nvm, great idea but DM disallowed it xD

[rough basalt]

Well enspelled weapons have school restrictions

[serene jolt]

I just looked up what good spells to use on a enspelled. But that's okay, I grabbed the Feywild Shard. I'm a Wild Magic Sorcerer. This is gonna be fun.

[woven flint]

Only shields, staves and armor can have abjuration spells

[hearty spindle]

hey all i get to play in a level 20 tarrasqe hunt one shot what would be some supper fun level 20 builds i could play i tend to love druids and rangers but open to all

[rough basalt]

Druid.
Shapechange into ancient white dragon

[cerulean monolith]

#character-discussion or #optimization can probably help you

[serene jolt]

Totally valid. I didn't know that! Either way, he doesn't want me having potentially 6 charges of shield for free a day. Which I understand.

[undone rain]

2 more days and its dnd time agaaaain woohoo

Been a long week so im really excited

[marble lion]

very good

[burnt valley]

or starts spamming saving throw attacks

[river vector]

Am I crazy for thinking this DM is not being fair to the players? rest is copy and paste. Basically comic relief cow prayed to the traveller to teleport the party away from danger, then he was directed by the traveller to attack the hall of justice for shits and giggles, the cow got roasted and eaten. Then the cow got revived as an evil demon cow by cultists of baphomet. No more comic relief. Now the cow has to feed five souls to baphomet every session. Also the paladins of tyr hunted down and captured the party for actions the DM forced a player to do lmao.

[burnt valley]

Obviously duh

The player did not agree to this

[river vector]

Player is acting like it is normal

[rough basalt]

not crazy

[river vector]

Like wut? You alter someone's character by that amount?

[small heath]

What D&D instrument would most closely resemble a guitar?

Would it be a Lyre?

[lavish flame]

I think its the Lyre, yeah

although, there is almost literally nothing stopping you from just having a guitar

[hollow estuary]

Scimitars are powerful weapons

[atomic moat]

Guitars in history go back to the 15th century, and the closest they have in the Forgotten Realms is apparently the Yarting
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Yarting

[stiff rock]

I'd be more inclined to say a lute

[undone rain]

Could play a lute otherwise

Ay same thought lol

[small heath]

I'm tryna build a character (not a bard) that's very musically gifted

[undone rain]

Im definetly gonna play a goblin who uses stilts to fit in their 6'0 tall armor, could technically play a hobgoblin but wheres the fun in that

[remote wadi]

Starting to realize that druid might be a character i just do not enjoy

Goes for playing with or as

[undone rain]

How come

[remote wadi]

Wild Shape feels like it is quite complex to work with

I also had quite a few bad experiences with them doing the wizard equivalent of taking forever on their turn "thinking" only to cast fireball

Only this time, it has like a fifth of the impact

[undone rain]

Hm fair enough, good points ngl

[remote wadi]

Also, if it's 2014, Ranger exists and Sharpshooter becomes a huge deal

Easily my least favorite class. Only ahead of Barbarian (i don't hate barbs, I just hate how counterintuitive their kit is)

[undone rain]

Funny enough, barbs my 2nd fav

[remote wadi]

Barb is an amazing class to roleplay

But like... it puzzles me so much

D12 for a hit die and Str as a primary stat... but no Heavy armor

Not to mention Barb falls off so hard after tier 1

[undone rain]

True, monks make sense since they dont focus on strength, barbs do

[remote wadi]

Monks don't have conflicting stats like Barbs do

[flint totem]

good evening folk

[craggy summit]

They have a massive health pool and gain resistance to bludgeon, pierce and slash when raging. So they don't really need heavy armor per say

And plus, they're meant to be a primal "too angry to die" class that wears pelts for armor as opposed to a mighty heavily armored knight

[undone rain]

Evenin

[remote wadi]

But what is the point to that when Medium Armor requires at least some Dex investment?

Having an extra HP on average vs a Fighter or Pally is not worth the lower AC and needing to stretch many stats thin

Even offensively or utility wise, it doesn't make sense

They're too angry to die, and yet it's Fighter getting Second Wind?

They're supposed to be a menace with weapon damage, yet Fighter just fights circles around Barb with Extra attack and Action Surge

[flint totem]

I have a question folk, considering the player handbook from 2024, do you consider the cleric better or worse than in 5e 2014?

[remote wadi]

That's what I'm saying. What they want to accomplish with Barb is so confusing and overlapping

[obtuse stratus]

A barbarian is a lightly armored tough guy. While one can optimize to their heart's content, people have always enjoyed playing that class since its introduction into the game. It has a place in the game and is fine.

[remote wadi]

It's a cool character concept, but it held up by duct tape and a dream

[undone rain]

You definetly raise some good questions

[craggy summit]

I'd say better. Some of the subclasses features are better, healing word and cure wounds are IMMENSELY better and they also got that new ability that can heal or damage enemies. Only downside is they get their subclass at level 3 now

[flint totem]

Oh that's no really a problem to me, i usually start my campaign with my friend with PC already at level 3, and i like to have some better features, thank you, i might aswell buy it

[remote wadi]

Right, but this isn't even ultra optimized gameplay like Ranger with CBE and Sharpshooter. This is just what the classes have as their base. You don't need a college degree to know that if you need damage, 4 d8s will almost always beat 2 d8s + 2

[icy aspen]

Does anyone know a discord account by the name of am11bo

[craggy summit]

Then there's really no downsides that I can think of, besides spiritual weapon needing concentration now 😅

[icy aspen]

I’m trying to find this person on discord after losing them

[remote wadi]

Barbarians are still usable, but it's honestly tiring to keep pointing out that just because a class is playable doesn't mean that it's just as equal as the other classes

[fierce sparrow]

Ok hello everyone

[fickle heart]

If you think that's rough, imagine how tiring it is to explain broad applications of game design when people are insistent on focusing on small parts

[fierce sparrow]

Multiclass with rogue its fun enough

[echo meteor]

do wizards in-lore create their own spells or customize existing one? Are the spells in the wizard spell-list like a "standardized/completed" versions of a spell?
Like Manshoon's Clone Mishap where his version of the "Clone" spell is differfent then the one in the spell list...(which would make the mishap itself impossible_

or Mordenkanien/Tasha's spells and various named spells

[obtuse stratus]

Wizards most certainly used to create spells in older editions and unless 2024 removed it they can right now. Now if only I could get a DM to approve the Nybor line for me

[hot marlin]

Yes to all

[azure jasper]

I'm very happy, my character was disoriented in a hall of illusions
But because spell effects can't stack so the more potent one or most recent one is the one that takes a fact
My character casted Minor Illusion around himself to create a bubble of real stuff and regain his senses

[obtuse stratus]

cast^ irregular verb that oddly has the same past and present tense

[azure jasper]

I hate verbs in English

[keen peak]

i mean depends on how you want to make it lore wise, really
if you want to go into experimental designs and pull out whatever you seem to brew, that sounds awesome
if youd rather study the existing source material, thats natural and fine too for most people

[keen peak]

real

[fierce sparrow]

I know people hate on english but the history of language as a whole is very interesting

[obtuse stratus]

same XD

[sullen kite]

i'm in a homebrewed campaign

i just dealt 174 damage in one turn as a level 5 wizard

[fierce sparrow]

Broken?

[keen peak]

waow

[sullen kite]

because i got an item that is the equivalent of picking up a machine gun in an action video game and then dropping it

[azure jasper]

I dance, you dance, he dances
why?
Is he dancing more than me!?
645 people dance
and he DANCES!?
How much is this guy dancing!?

[keen peak]

is that damage on a crit or not since that can change this

[sullen kite]

it was a crit

[keen peak]

i danced
i was dancing

[fierce sparrow]

Hexadin eat your heart out

[keen peak]

okay that makes a touch more sense lol

[obtuse stratus]

I love how I agree with you on this stuff even as a native English speaker. So much of this language is just exposure and probably makes sense in some weird linguistic article if you squint and maybe use some hallucinagens, but really it's a mash up of complete nonsense on a germanic backbone that was considered peasant language

[azure jasper]

Pretty sure English is three languages and a trenchcoat pretending to be one /j

[obtuse stratus]

Surprise! It's actually like 8 with those 3 just being more obvious

[fierce sparrow]

Thats the story

Its the language of choice for commerce or it was and kinda still is we will see for how much longer though

[glossy wasp]

@lilac plume dude what did I do

[echo meteor]

how the heck did this guy
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Bowgentle
singlehandedly defeat red/black dragons, and wizard kings.. but then die to fall damage?

the lore makes no sense

[obtuse stratus]

Its only real competition at the moment is software.

[remote wadi]

Meaning?

[echo meteor]

also, why the heck do wizards even choose to become liches when theres the "clone" spell that can bypass death entirely

[fierce sparrow]

I guess but I do wonder what how the english language will evolve I guess probably not for the better

[hot marlin]

You'll find that it's not the lore that makes no sense but your attempt at applying the mechanics to the lore

[echo meteor]

what u mean?

[hot marlin]

In truth, a D&D character is made of the same flesh as you and I. Inside the fiction, they die if they have a heart attack, they die if a single arrow pierces their forehead. Like any human being a single punch might kill them.

The ability to cast meteor swarm changes nothing. The wizard who can do that will still die if a dagger pierces their heart, and their skin is not harder than any other man's

[echo meteor]

a wizard that can defeat red/black dragons and wizard kings... dont know featherfall?

[obtuse stratus]

Why would you NOT want to be a lich? They have cookies.

[hot marlin]

Clearly, that one wizard did not prepare it that day

[remote wadi]

Beware the cookies in a world where men are Cookie Monsters. Or something like that

[echo meteor]

because you can only have 1 phylactery... whereas you can have as many "clones" as you want spread across the forgotten realm

[hot marlin]

Have you considered the possibility that you might do both?

[obtuse stratus]

Nah you set up clones THEN become a lich

[echo meteor]

can a lich use "clone"?

[hot marlin]

Yes.

[fierce sparrow]

You know why don't liches use that spell more often

[echo meteor]

your soul cant leave the phylactery.... once you become a lich. its like a homing beacon for your soul

[obtuse stratus]

If it is destroyed and so is your body you go to a clone

[echo meteor]

is that actually a thing?

[fickle heart]

Without explaining it super in-depth (because it can get long), stuff is almost always made with expectations, and when people go against expectations, they may find that something works less for them.

[echo meteor]

you can just choose to not become a lich by destroying your own phylactery?

[hot marlin]

This is a mistake. Disproven by the simple fact that the lore is full of liches using astral projection

[hot marlin]

No. A lich perfectly well survives the destruction of their anchor

[obtuse stratus]

And then you're just Jon Numnutz a wizard for hire, totally normal guy with 15 clones on the backburner

[echo meteor]

yeah, but when a lich dies, the soul goes to the phlyactery and gets reborn

same thing for clone.. except a clone is flesh and blood

[fierce sparrow]

Speaking of clones I was going to the clone thing with my rogue and maybe take over the world