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[harsh hollow]

I'm surprised people don't use the cleaning thing more, or the thing where you can change the flavor of stuff.

[mighty wharf]

This spell is so cute I'm gonna die

[harsh hollow]

The cantrip of all time.

Also you can have three of its different effects running at once.

[oak grotto]

Prestidigitation? Yeah, 99% of the time I use that for cleaning.

[harsh hollow]

Druidcraft and Thaumaturgy are in a similar category with slightly different little mostly cosmetic effects.

[severe rampart]

I think I'm about to TPK my first party

[jovial ocean]

https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Full_List_of_5e_Classes
2.5k homebrew classes... damn.

the favorite is obvious tho (gambler)

[jolly agate]

Only 8 chapters, dammit. I finished The Mighty nine

Why only 8 chapters? It doesn't make sense. They were probably running out of money and shi

[lavish flame]

The tv show? Nah they've got a second seaspn on the way. They're just doing the 8 episode season thing

[jolly agate]

Kinda edgy show but it's fun to watch

[humble cairn]

Is also fun to watch the source material, but it is a time sink.

[harsh hollow]

Shows like that make for good background listening for work and such though.

That's how I did it with TAZ: Balance at least.

[jolly agate]

The only thing i don't like abt the show is mf Fjord taking too damn long to eat (Well, insert it into his chest) that weird eye thing

If some damn eldrich patron tells you to consume something, you bloody consume it

😭

[harsh hollow]

To be fair I think most average people would hesitate on that. x3

He did a lot of stuff without questioning it nearly enough honestly.

[keen jewel]

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[keen jewel]

Wait where can I use commands

[jolly agate]

Also, what race is he?, I thought he was one of those fish men

but, He couldn't breathe underwater

[real epoch]

nice what type of style they made for you?

yeah its really a great thing

[severe rampart]

a lot of different styles

[polar ember]

Next time I am not letting the DM win🤣

[marble lion]

Halforc

[real epoch]

Nice Well If you don't mind can chat on dm?

[stray sage]

How good of a spell is entangle?

[reef tundra]

The effect itself is very good, being able to restrain targets in quite a large area, but targeting strength makes it quite common to fail as many creatures have high strength and proficiency in strength saves

I still have it because it's very useful for zoning and assisting allies

[inner silo]

Can an artificer fairy work despite fairies being unable to wear medium armour if you grab mage armour?

[reef tundra]

Mage armour can be cast on any creature not wearing armour, so yes, Artificers, sorcerers and wizards can work with fairy

Oh wait warlocks can too

Unelss you are talking about specifically armourer artificer

[inner silo]

I`ll grab magic initiate then, thanks!

[knotty pasture]

Just cuz you have medium armor proficiency doesn't mean you have to run medium armor

[inner silo]

no, just overall

[knotty pasture]

Go light armor to fly

[reef tundra]

In which case, mage armour does not qualify as armour for the armourer abilities

[inner silo]

id have 15 ac then

sorry forgot about not pinging, mb

15 ac with access to shield spell and trying to stay 120 ft away and ability to fly is probably fine right?

[swift wren]

Depending on your GM and campaign @inner silo , if you are in right corners, dungeons and so on 120 f will hardly ever be achived with line of sight.

[inner silo]

true, but our campaign most fights are either outdoors or even if there isnt enought space, i have 2 paladins, a fighter and a melee warlock to back me up

[swift wren]

One entangle, sleep stun and so on will also deal massive damage to you if you are flying high - d6 per 10 f, often for lethal for squishy classes

[inner silo]

also true. But thats just the pay off for essentially melee immunity

ig i could use a shield but then i wouldnt be able to hold a big rifle

[long swift]

how do i build a boss that only protects itself? (the actual enemies are the copies it makes of the players)

i gave it a reaction to ignore dmg. the idea is that if it dies the other enemies vanish but it'd be hard to kill it while the other enemies are still alive

or is that reaction too much?

itll have somewhat low hp as itll divide its hp with the copies

[marble lion]

Maybe give it evasion instead, and use stuff like temporary hit point generation per round depending on how many clones are up

[long swift]

good idea

[cyan narwhal]

Some immunities could help

[marble lion]

Then ofc it can have resistances

High ac as well

[cyan narwhal]

An example that i've seen personally, in the last session i played at there was an intellect devourer that was immune to all physical dmg

[long swift]

the cr will be 17 to 21 depending on when they fight it. ac 17 or more?

[cyan narwhal]

Depends on the party's lvl

[halcyon forum]

AC 17 is pretty low for a CR17 monster. it would need tons of HP to compensate

or other means of effective HP

[long swift]

15 to 19. they can choose the order they want to fight the bosses but every boss gets stronger when another dies

and they level up after each

[long swift]

is 20 too much?

[cyan narwhal]

Yeah CR17 sounds a bit low then

[tender pier]

Hey question, would talking about dnd youtubers be allowed in this channel?

[halcyon forum]

AC 19 would be around average I think

[long swift]

oki

[halcyon forum]

so depends on if you want the boss to be harder to hit on average or easier

[reef tundra]

Here, I have a grid for 2024 monsters that comprised all of the average HP and AC and stuff, and since i can't send the image I'll just look at the AC range for you

[long swift]

ig ill do either 19 or 20 then

[halcyon forum]

I use this https://tomedunn.github.io/the-finished-book/monsters/monster-manual-2024/#tab:monster-baseline-stats

[long swift]

danke

[reef tundra]

Yeah the minimum is 17 and the max is 20

The average being 19, like Omegon said

[inner silo]

which is better, the arcane firearm focus or wand of the warmage?

[native bronze]

What are surprise attacks?

[blissful cosmos]

how do I even play

[halcyon forum]

check out #dnd-newcomers and #learn-to-play

[stiff jewel]

Is there another spell that has a similar effect to Heroism, where it gives temporary hit points each round for a certain length of time? I am sure I saw one.

[blissful cosmos]

where do I play

nvm I found out how

[long swift]

would allowing a cr 10 enemy to use misty step without breaking invisibility be too strong?

[stiff jewel]

Does Misty Step break concentration?

[long swift]

no

at lsast doesn't say anything on the thing

any idea what enemy i can use/create that tempts mortals to give them power?

devils maybe?

(i called them false idols but i might just use something already existing and change a bit to fit better)

[severe rampart]

to give them as in the mortals or the enemy?

[long swift]

the mortals

like, they make deals. create warlocks

[severe rampart]

Probably a fiend then, the fiend doesn't have to be ridiculously strong, they could act as a conduit or teach higher power/secrets

[long swift]

danke

there are too many fiend enemies aaa

and if i choose to create something new idk what abilities to give them. probably charm stuff? but we already have succubi

[severe rampart]

charming doesn't have to be like that

[long swift]

no i mean, 2 enemies that charm feels eh

[severe rampart]

Maybe a vampire then?

[humble cairn]

You do not have to create your Patron.

[long swift]

its not a patron

[long swift]

already have those

[long swift]

i mean it can be. but theyre mostly enemies

[humble cairn]

Can you see why I would think you were still talking about a patron?

You shifted the topic of your conversation without making it clear you were doing so.

[severe rampart]

yeah but if you reject every idea that has already been thought of you're gonna struggle

[humble cairn]

Anyway, if you want to homebrew an NPC you can always ask the folks in #dm-discussion or #homebrew

[long swift]

no i mean, we already have vampires in the game. its supposed to be a different race for each domain

[long swift]

oh danke

[severe rampart]

Cloud Nymphs maybe?

[long swift]

it is more like a fiend. i just dont know which to choose/adapt from because there are too many

[humble cairn]

So what are you trying to do here? Trying to create a species to rule an area?

Do you have a description of the creature you want? Their powers? Their culture?

[long swift]

kind of. theyre in hell and each sin is a boss with a domain, and there is a main species on each domain. only one missing is pride

[severe rampart]

So the species of pride?... make it just humans.

[long swift]

not the powers and thats precisely what im missing. they are like fake angels (aptly called false idols) that go to the mortal world and tempt mortals to make deals with them or pretend to be angels to do so

[humble cairn]

No species, just a singular boss. Pride doesn't acknowledge the need for a culture.

Maybe a whole bunch of cultists of many different species who simply worship Pride.

[visual dew]

Is there any spells similar to chaos bolt where it’s type is different depending on luck I really want to make a character that’s just really random with they’re attacks

[severe rampart]

This too, "I am the big boss, none are worthy to be near my presence"

[long swift]

oh actually i kinda like that. maybe make it so false idols are sinners that became demons

[long swift]

much as i like that i already kinda did it for envy. and the sins dont exactly rule their domains, theyre more like powerful prisoners

[humble cairn]

I would give it beefed up Glamor Bard powers. Bonus Action mass Command: Grovel.

"Kneel before me."

If you try to attack, must make a Charisma save or the attack simply fails from sheer majesty.

[severe rampart]

a Statue-esque then?, then it crumbles to reveal flesh under

[long swift]

ooh interesting

[visual dew]

Like how the type of damage is done is changed with a d8 roll

[swift wren]

Ey, if you need homebrew skills for the seven sins, I made some years ago that worked so fine with my group :D

[long swift]

i also like that. might make some of those too

[humble cairn]

Not me, friend.

[long swift]

thatd be nice, thanks

[severe rampart]

Oh? mind sharing them in #homebrew ?

[long swift]

also does anyone have a song recommendation that fits a vibe of sloth?

only boss song missing

[severe rampart]

background song or lyrics?

[long swift]

itll be background song mostly but id rather the lyrics fit the vibe too

[severe rampart]

maybe soul or classical music then? I'm unsure what you mean

[long swift]

oh that fits actually

any classical music recommendation thats like, sleepy?

[severe rampart]

Nocturne in E-flat major, Op. 9, No. 2 is personally what I like, I found it randomly and just liked the tone (Though it has been turned into a bit of a meme song, unfortunately)

[swift wren]

Son Lux Easy Instrumental; you can slow it and cut the highs to get a spooky, eerie slow song that still has some danger to it?

[tame kelp]

Is it possible to host a campaign with only 2-3 peoples?
usually, dnd is require to have at least 4 players.

[sly crest]

Well, there’s the sloth song from SNL…

[long swift]

danke

[halcyon forum]

yes. with two people (one DM, one PC) you can play a so called "duet". solo dnd (as in one person playing by themselves) becomes a very different kind of game though

[inner silo]

which is more useful, artilerist artificer or beast master ranger

[hidden spindle]

Depends on the situation

[inner silo]

in terms of damage and overall utility in an outdoors campaign

[still plover]

Certainly! Consider shorter sessions, be generous with the use of sidekicks or companions, don't fudge the dice but do consider pulling the punch if someone runs out of death saves. Capture someone, put them in a spot, have them robbed and left for dead.

[halcyon forum]

artillerist is better support and aoe damage, beastmaster is better single target and at longer range potentially, also better at exploration

[sly crest]

Is there much exploration to be done in 5e?

[eager marsh]

yesn't

[inner silo]

Oki, thanks a lot!

[halcyon forum]

in my experience, yes but it can vary from table to table

[eager marsh]

it depends entirely on the adventure itself. Some hardcovers have entire sections dedicated to that. Some have none at all

[halcyon forum]

exploration is also everything you do in a dungeon outside of combat

[sly crest]

In video games I tend to enjoy exploration a lot.

[eager marsh]

technically roleplay is outside of combat and can happen in dungeons without being exploration

[halcyon forum]

right, some dungeons have social encounters too (which I think the ranger has a small edge in too but not by much)

[severe rampart]

Roleplay in combat is also amazing though

[eager marsh]

harder to squeeze in without dragging out turns especially when a turn is 6 seconds

[sly crest]

it sounds like the absolute funnest!

[severe rampart]

a player used themauturgy and recreated baby noises to distract because a specter mentioned their baby

[halcyon forum]

its the little details like describing your character actions instead of just rattling down numbers

[eager marsh]

that's...technically roleplay i just dont typically count that cuz it's usually just aesthetics

[still plover]

So yeah. Some games have it a lot, others it's not such a priority and the exploration is more about the examination of the setting.

Finding out who's who in the court through observation and deductions and such in a more political game, say.

[hidden spindle]

-# I'm biased towards Beast Master Ranger so I had to ask

[sly crest]

good taste

My avatar has one such ranger (albeit from a JRPG)

[severe rampart]

I blame my pokemon addiction

[humble cairn]

I'm playing a Beast Master currently, he's really fun.

[torpid hound]

How do I add my trinket to my character's inventory on Roll20?

[marble lion]

Beast master
Trinket
What a coincidence

[torpid hound]

What does Beast Master have to do with trinkets?

[marble lion]

Critrole reference

[torpid hound]

So how do I do it?

[marble lion]

No idea i dont use roll20

[feral fulcrum]

I would suggest searching on roll20 regarding inventory related things.

[agile vapor]

You could also use something like tabletop tunes. Tavern after dark has a “sleepy” vibe

[marble lion]

The best classical music to get ready for bed to me is Schubert's Träumerei

[torpid hound]

Didn't find anything
I assume I'm supposed to create it myself

What would the stone's origin be?

[stiff rock]

stone?

[torpid hound]

Weightless stone trinket

[stiff rock]

narrative origin or is this a roll20 thing

[torpid hound]

Narrative origin

[stiff rock]

a keepsake given to you by your family, friends, or an old mentor?

or maybe it's a lucky trinket that, in some way, saved your life once and you keep it on you for good luck now

[torpid hound]

But I already decided it
My character got turned into a Dwarf temporarily with a spell to spy on the Dwarves (which also explains why he learned Dwarvish) and encountered a Dwarf Wizard that tried to create stone golems that fly, but failed (as the weightless stones are still affected by gravity). He stole a stone as a "souvenir"

[polar ember]

I kinda want to host a small oneshot before the big game today

Idk though

[stiff rock]

i wouldn't really want to run 2 games back to back, but that's personal preference

[polar ember]

Yea I should honestly finish preparing and MY PCS FINALLY FREAKING GAVE ME THEIR CHARACTER SHEETS HOLY

[tame kelp]

Aura of Vialtaity will always heal?

[harsh hollow]

Not sure if this got answered but he's a half-orc.

[undone rain]

I like to imagine second wind is not just healing yourself but wiping the blood of your face and saying "i didnt hear no bell"

[stiff rock]

"You can use a bonus action to cause one creature in the aura (including you) to regain 2d6 hit points."

you can only heal one creature per turn inside the radius if you spend your bonus action (2014)

[severe rampart]

With or without backstory

[stiff rock]

2024's is the same but without the bonus action cost, it's still only one creature per turn

[tame kelp]

but there's no saying that using action or bonus action in 2014 version

[stiff rock]

i copy-pasted what it says in the phb. it's a bonus action to heal one creature in the aura for 2d6 hp

the casting time is 1 action if that's what you mean

[polar ember]

With backstory, the one whip really incited everyone to write, and the carrot really only incited 2 of them there was a winner and they wanted to try eating chicken oyakodon from the anime Campfire Cooking in Another World with My Absurd Skill🤣

[severe rampart]

every time I watch that it gets my mouth drooling for food, and also nice! hope you have a fun campaign

[tender pier]

Oh I lagged so hard

[polar ember]

Just trying to figure out how to get rockbird💀 also Echo Do I need subscription to make a GM room on owlbear or no?

[severe rampart]

No you do not

it is 100% completely free, even with Dynamic Lighting. Which is why it's the best VTT

[polar ember]

Nice I been using dnd vtt and I hate it

[severe rampart]

Yeah, Owlbear also has a lot of extensions for free that'll help with setting it up such as an initiative tracker, sounds, etc

[small heath]

I'm looking up stuff for a druid and I don't know why people aren't talking about Wild Resurgence enough on different forums and facebook posts. This looks insanely busted.

It's PHB 2024 too

[stiff rock]

yeah druid is really good in 2024 from what i've seen from DMing for one

[small heath]

"Once on each of your turns, if you have no uses of Wild Shape left, you can give yourself one use by expending a spell slot (no action required).

In addition, you can expend one use of Wild Shape (no action required) to give yourself a level 1 spell slot, but you can't do so again until you finish a Long Rest."

So in theory if you're going Circle of the Dragon wildshape or any potent Moon Druid build, you can literally reset your Temp HP for free by expending any spellslot.

So if you're a druid built around combat in your wild shape, you are basically unkillable.

[stiff rock]

yeah it's wild (shape)

[small heath]

And at what, you get 8 spellslots as a lvl 5 druid?

[stiff rock]

i think most classes are broken in their own way

[severe rampart]

But what is the best monoclass

[stiff rock]

i've never been a player past 4th level so i'm the wrong person to ask lol

[crimson gulch]

Comparison is the theif of joy

[severe rampart]

Perhaps you are right, as long as you're having fun and enjoy the class you are playing then I don't see a problem with it

[harsh hollow]

The answer is Mystic, that's why it had to be stopped.

[severe rampart]

also hi Urizt, I TPK'ed my first party

[stiff rock]

was mystic ever actually officially used outside of playtests?

[harsh hollow]

Nope, but there's good reasons for that. It was too much.

[stiff rock]

what was its premise?

[harsh hollow]

It does everything every other class does but better.

The way it was described to me was that every subclass stepped on the toes of every base class in different ways. The document was shown to me but was super dense.

The Psion is basically an attempt to release a down-to-Earth version of it.

[stiff rock]

sounds awful lol

[knotty vine]

mystic is still the most broken class

[knotty vine]

yeah but itll will most likely fall off when enemies start doing more damage examples being like a giant doing 4d10+5

your temp hp is capped while there damage isnt

[small heath]

How does druid even work with temp HP? When that's gone do they get out of wild shape?

[humble cairn]

No, not in 2024.

And their Temp HP doesn't go away when they leave Wild Shape, either.

[harsh hollow]

In 2014 they basically had a backup life in the form of Wildshape but that was a bit too good.

[humble cairn]

But it is nice that a Moon Druid can just take a Bonus Action and fully refresh their [Druid Level x 3] THP.

[knotty vine]

yeah so like thats only 15 at level 5

not much in the grand scheme

through it does used your hit dice instead of there own making them less of a tank and more of a idk

[humble cairn]

What uses whose hit dice?

[knotty vine]

your wild shapes

thats a change that i do understand but i still dont like

[humble cairn]

What is using hit dice?

Wild Shape doesn't use hit dice?

I'm confused,

[knotty vine]

i mean that if the wildshape takes damage you take damage

[humble cairn]

Hit points.

You use your own hit points, yes.

[knotty vine]

Your game statistics are replaced by the Beast’s stat block, but you retain your creature type; Hit Points; Hit Point Dice

[stiff rock]

i guess it specifies that because your hit dice affect your hp maximum

[tame kelp]

Can a player cast Shield with higher spell slot?

since it's 1st level tho

[rough basalt]

Yeah, doesn't do anything extra however

[harsh hollow]

Sometimes upcasting isn't about powering up the spell and is more just "I wanna cast that low-level spell but don't have slots for it anymore."

[agile pulsar]

oh are you guys talking about druids?

[jovial tree]

Character idea: rogue-bard multiclass, underneath their moody cliche black cloak they have a besazzling outfit, and they can put their cloak back on to slip away.

[jovial shadow]

What would be the purpose?

[tame kelp]

running out of 1st level spell slot

[agile pulsar]

i would absolutely waste a spell slot to cast shield at 6th level to flex on someone

[tame kelp]

Can Twinned Spell also work on Cure Wound?

[agile pulsar]

no that sounds too cool

[tame kelp]

what

then it is work

cuz it's not "SELF" range

[agile pulsar]

I don't know for sure exactly, I just doubt it myself slightly

[buoyant oar]

By raw it should work

[agile pulsar]

really? :o

[buoyant oar]

Touch range is specifically not Self Range

[agile pulsar]

I didn't expect that from a system that doesn't let you cast a spell twice if you have multiple actions LOL

[knotty vine]

is still think its kinda crazy that the tarrasque just cant be effected by any ranged spell attack

[spring light]

think of it as more representing a force of nature than a creature.

what's a fireball gonna do to an earthquake?

[knotty vine]

casting 4 spells in one turn is possible

[agile pulsar]

Really?

[knotty vine]

nothing but if its a lightning ball..

[agile pulsar]

I just wanna cast fire bolt twice honestly

[spring light]

very edge case

[agile pulsar]

pew pew

[spring light]

a lightning ball isn't gonna do much to an earthquake

[knotty vine]

tarrqsue are immune to fire not lightning

granted psykick scream is prob your best bet when fighting a scary monster such as a tarraque

[west adder]

What monsters would a level 10 party encounter (possibly realted to sahaguin) that might have the Harm spell handy?

[west adder]

How big is that Fire Ball? looks at the sun

[knotty vine]

black whole sun

my favorite monster has to be the Rakshasa in 2014 and 2024

[marble lion]

but its a tiger devil

[knotty vine]

hes one of the few creatures besides tiamat that has limited spell immunity

[marble lion]

while i get subjective pref, i gotta say rakshasa has always struck me as so over the place themeless somehow

[uncut zenith]

It makes for a compelling long-form villain

[knotty vine]

and in 24 its been buffed to "Greater Magic Resistance"

[marble lion]

i cant warm up to it

[uncut zenith]

Especially if you have multiple Rakshasa working together

[marble lion]

they work well for plots but personally id hate them as a longform villain because it means ill be exposed to a monster i find incredibly boring for longer haha

[round bay]

Hello Everyone! I am confused on Quickened Spell (Sorcerer) can someone help explain it to me?

[knotty vine]

i mean them having disguise self could be really cool

[uncut zenith]

They’re also undetectable with magic

[knotty vine]

that too

[west adder]

They are immune to 6th level and below magic and detections.

[uncut zenith]

So they could be disguised and there’s no magic a PC can cast that will detect them as being disguised or as a fiend

[knotty vine]

in the 24 monster manual its just they pass any save throwing against magic

[uncut zenith]

That’s the 2014 one. They’re fully immune to spell attacks and auto succeed on spell saves in 2024.

[knotty vine]

kinda crazy

surpising a lot of stronger creatures dont have that

[uncut zenith]

But they’re vulnerable to attacks dealt by creatures under the effects of a Bless spell

[knotty vine]

yeah but they have like 200+ something hp

a lot of creatures lost there immunites so they just got more hp in turn

[uncut zenith]

And you’re fighting a CR13 monster. At the level you’re fighting one, you’re likely dishing out a decent amount of damage anyways.

[west adder]

They were busted before why the buff?

[knotty vine]

cause its funny

[uncut zenith]

Because people complained that a lot of the monsters in 2014 were scarier on paper than in practice

[knotty vine]

i mean a big reason was a lot of creautres got there "tankiness" from
Damage Immunities Bludgeoning, Piercing, and Slashing from Nonmagical Attacks this stupid line right there

when an adventuer with a green tier weapon or whos high enough level can now bypass that

for example the rakshasa has 110 hp in 2014

new book lost the immuntites but now they have 221

[marble lion]

then rakshasa arent all bad. if i can make it so they dont look like rakshasa

i forgot they could do that

[limber trail]

Quite famously a power of theirs

[knotty vine]

liches in 2014 has had only 135 hp and 17 ac

you know those big scary guys

[limber trail]

Liches are so weak compared to their 2024 equivalents

[marble lion]

theyre scary because theyre immortal and have tons of minions

and traps because theyre sitting in their dungeon

[knotty vine]

but they cant defend themselves i guess

[marble lion]

that is defending themselves imo

[knotty vine]

i mean if the adventuers bust in and somehow meet the lich face to face

[buoyant oar]

It's also meant to be implied that these boss monsters are not meant to fight alone nor they meant to be fought with party having the full resources

[west adder]

Anyone know of any monsters who possess the Harm spell? I can't seem to find a way to quickly search such a thing.

[blissful ibex]

2024 Monster Manual Mummy Lord does
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creature-stat-blocks#MummyLord

[knotty vine]

there aint a lot of creautres that just have spells youd have to add them to the creature

who would win the rakutesh or vecna

[wispy wing]

General question:
Am am building an ArtiChron as a backup character. How does the spellcasting work for a wizard? The ArtiChron will have a shield in one hand and perhaps a staff in the other. Can these be used as spellcasting foci? Can the spell book reside in the backpack or does that too need to be accessed? I have never played a wizard before...

[knotty vine]

you cant do the somatic componets without a free hand without warcaster

[wispy wing]

He will have the warcawster feat

[knotty vine]

then i dont see an issue the spell book is only there to determine which spells you can have prepared

since they learn and prepare

[wispy wing]

Ok, total wizard noob here 🙂

[west adder]

We had a party member in our level 10 party get outright killed by a Sahuagin type monster with the Harm Spell recently (assuming it was homebrewed with that spell as none of those types have that spell as far as I can search) took them from full hp (83) to 3 maximum HP and same turn multi attacked for over 6 (double their new max hp) and killed them outright no death saves nothing.

[knotty vine]

thats how damage works yeah

[blissful ibex]

in 2024 you can explicitly do the somatic components of a spell that has a material cost if you're using the staff as a spellcasting focus to also cover the material cost regardless if you have warcaster or not

but if it doesn't you'll either need to stow the staff (assuming your DM allows it as a TLOI) and then cast or have Warcaster

[marble lion]

thats not how it works

to kill instantly, you need to take your current xp and your max HP

so 86 in this case

however, due to multiattack, they would still end up on 2 failed death saves from being melee crit while down

so chances are theyd have died anyway unless someone healed them back up

but between this mishandling of deaths and a homebrew spell dealing 80hp damage on a monster that doesnt have stuff like that usually, id be careful tbh

not that dealing 80hp damage in one attack at level 10 is that crazy but its certainly something to look out for, especially if its followed by a multiattack by the same enemy????

[wispy wing]

Ok. We dont use the material component in our campaign so that will not be a problem then.

What if the staff is the spellcasting focus and the staff gets lost. Can the focus shift to the shield then?

[marble lion]

if you have a staff you dont need material components

[blissful ibex]

The issue is somatic

• if a spell has both somatic and material; you can use the staff for it with no free hands without warcaster
• otherwise if it's just somatic and you have no free hands, you need warcaster

if you're actively handwaving material components, you're going to need warcaster if you want to sword and board with a staff

[marble lion]

just because you used the word "problem"
unless its super big rare spells like revive, in which case id recommend maybe rechecking that

[wispy wing]

I dont understand why they made that so complicated. My brain hurts.

I'll get warcaster and just forget the if, then, else 🙂 There will probably be a cost for super rare spells but I'll handle that then.

[blissful ibex]

that's when you get a ruby weave gem or the wish spell c: /hj

[wispy wing]

Thanks for the help. Now I can get back to the fun part of picking the right species/background/skills

[marble lion]

hold on so a spellcasting focus needs a hand to use right? messing with somatics

what about a component pouch? its not in your hand. is the pouch actually better than a focus?

[visual oriole]

hello! I am a new player and this is my first campaign. I have a party of 8 of my irl friends. But I’ve forgotten the name of the campaign and everyone’s asleep (I wanted to look at some lore)

[severe rampart]

guys, how do you pronounce Zarovich? like "Strahd von Zarovich"?

[marble lion]

ch like lich

[severe rampart]

I pronounce Zarovich as "Zarovik", but people apparently pronounce it with the ch sound like "witch?"

[marble lion]

yes

slavic language pronounces ch as witch ch or a chachacha russian laugh, though thats technically spelled differently uh
anyway zarovich is a witch sound

[severe rampart]

Ah, just wanted to know, still gonna pronounce it like "Zarovik"

[marble lion]

why though, thats just wrong

[wispy wing]

8 players 😮 Dang. How long are your sessions?

[severe rampart]

Because I like it that way

do I need any deeper meaning?

[visual oriole]

5-6 hours every 2 weeks at the moment

[marble lion]

to do it? you dont need any reason to do it
to convince me its a good idea? yeah

[severe rampart]

I'm not trying to convince you, it's just easier for me to pronounce that way

[marble lion]

you cant easily pronounce witch or lich?

[severe rampart]

I can, I just can't pronounce Zarovich

[marble lion]

hmm curious

[severe rampart]

I sound like I'm trying to say "Is there a witch"

Might be because I also pronounce "Z" traditionally like "Ze" and not "Za"

[marble lion]

ideally youd change that too

im a fan of embracing faithful pronunciations when it doesnt completely break flow of a word

[severe rampart]

Why would I change it? my players have no problem with it, I have no problem with it

[wispy wing]

Just go with what works for you. My homies are all native English speakers and not a single one can pronounce my character name xD
I use names from old Norse.

[marble lion]

so while i wouldnt ask you to say the R in a rolled way
the a and ch would bother me

yeah no keep it the way you do it. my opinion has no bearing on your game

[severe rampart]

oh yeah, I also roll my R's lol

[marble lion]

its just chatting

wow so youre doing the one thing right that most cant. what is your native language?

[severe rampart]

I am tongue-tied, so I wouldn't know how people normally pronounce things

[marble lion]

my brain is failing to imagine how your zarovich sounds now haha

[severe rampart]

It's Filipino, we have some spanish words so I'd guess that's where I got the rolling R's thing

[marble lion]

i was imagining typical americanising it

that does make sense yeah

[severe rampart]

Hold on gotta save this chat from getting eviscerated by the mods, what's the funniest mispronounciation you guys have heard in DnD?

[marble lion]

with all these changes in places, im starting to like this way

[severe rampart]

Zarovik is very fun to say

[marble lion]

zerovik probably

i used to mispronounce otyugh but tbh thats fair. its a messy name

im not even sure i spelled it right there. its a mess and rarely comes up

i said "oh tyou"

[severe rampart]

yeah that's how I pronounce it Ze - ro - vi - k

[woeful zinc]

Do I use the find a game channel to put in the command to look for a party?

[marble lion]

i know. you won my spot for funniest pronunciation ;)

[visual oriole]

I would say it like “ouht yEugh”

[severe rampart]

Oh hey I won something, huzzah!

[feral fulcrum]

Idly ponders if Swarmkeeper Ranger could do a half-decent Mista from JJBA impression with guns.

[marble lion]

thats what i meant

but its actually "ody yuck"

[visual oriole]

That doesn’t really translate in my head at all when I look at the word 😭

[brisk leaf]

mithril axes worth using or should I sell em?

[feral fulcrum]

Do you generally use axes?

If yes, and you dont' have anything better, keep, if not, sell them.

[marble lion]

i needed to look it up before i believed it but then it made sense

[woven flint]

Howdy, friends!

[brisk leaf]

They dont got any special properties? 🙁

[undone rain]

Howdy dowdy fellow dnd nerd

[woven flint]

I get to play more of my CLANK- ahem, Warforged fellow today 🧐

[feral fulcrum]

Mithril is just half weight. If they're not enchanted, they're just fancy axes that are not very heavy.

[brisk leaf]

🙌thank youu

[feral fulcrum]

If you have any more questions about your items, you should really be asking your DM.

[stiff jewel]

Is there a spell like Heroism that is available to Artificers? I want it or something like it for my artillerist, but it's only available for the Battlesmith.

[feral fulcrum]

Nope.

[fossil hollow]

artis dont really get a way to grab immunity to frighten no

[stiff jewel]

I mainly wanted the HP every round part.

[fossil hollow]

artillerist literally does that already

[feral fulcrum]

The best you can do, is take the Replicate Magic Item for a Potion of Heroism

[fossil hollow]

that gives bless, not heroism, funnily enough

also, im fairly sure you cant replicate potions explicitly

[feral fulcrum]

Ah, that's a tad silly.

[severe rampart]

one day... one day I'll be able to buy the book 💔

[feral fulcrum]

The Potion giving bless, that is.

[woven flint]

You could grab Heroism from the Fey Touched feat, I believe

[stiff jewel]

If I could create a wand of Heroism...

[feral fulcrum]

Rod Of Bravery

[harsh hollow]

I miss being able to snag specific species without having to buy the whole book every day.

I got most of Spelljammer's guys back when you could do that because I liked the species but couldn't justify buying the whole book.

[feral fulcrum]

Al La Carte was very customer friendly, which is why WOTC got rid of it. Gotta get all them nickels and dimes.

[toxic bane]

If yall could choose any 1 CR or lower creature that you can summon once per day for 10 mins, what would it be?

[fossil hollow]

Empyrean Iota

[severe rampart]

very unfortunate yeah, but I think I'm just gonna move character sheets over to paper

[harsh hollow]

What truly sucks is that it doesn't seem like you get a discount now if you've bought parts of a book before and then decide to buy the rest of it.

[fossil hollow]

you have to reach out to customer support to get the discount

[harsh hollow]

Ahh, I see. :O

[swift wren]

Just a highly confused commoner.

[fossil hollow]

did that with several books after the switch, bigby's mordy's, etc

[bright summit]

Hi

[marble lion]

what about pdf files like i do?
paper is ofc alright but not as convenient for digital games

[harsh hollow]

I know of a few people who rigged up an Excell spreadsheet for a character sheet.

[marble lion]

that sounds fun but not very convenient

[harsh hollow]

They can update it and it does a bunch of stat math for them I think.

[dark pewter]

Yeah, the Avrae bot uses a few different GSheets with varying levels of automation

[crimson gulch]

It works great for digital games, roll dice add modifiers and call it put just like at an in person game

[severe rampart]

Ah, that too

[marble lion]

for sharing its not as convenient

for ingame its great dont get me wrong
but sending your dm a copy is a lot easier when its in a file and you dont have to constantly scan it or reprint a fresh one to fill in again

i use paper to run combat numbers in the game because i dont have to share that with the party, but sheets? digital all the way

[crimson gulch]

You don't actually need to constantly share your sheets though to run a game. I just keep notes on my players characters and spot check as needed

[marble lion]

even just sharing it once is enough for me to consider digital better but i like to have each level an update

not least because i have had players lose their sheets before after a longer hiatus

or lose their device access or be elsewhere and forget to move the sheet file over
ofc this wouldnt be a problem for paper

[crimson gulch]

Ah I have rebuilt pc sheets from.scratch before it's no big deal when that happens in my experience

[inner silo]

are flying races op and if yes then how do i make playing as one balanced

[serene jolt]

I'm playing a 2014 war cleric, I'm level 4. My party all have rolled stats so our 'to hit' is very high. And this proved itself when I casted Bless last session and it wasn't doing anything (they never even had to roll bless).

Is there another really good 1st or 2nd level con spell I can focus on to make a difference? I don't think I need bless unless our monster has a high AC, which hasn't happened a lot since we're fighting beasts right now mainly

[crimson gulch]

Flying races aren't op, they die so often when they fall

[crimson gulch]

Bane on the monsters instead

[fossil hollow]

only if you make your encounters easily countered or nullified by flight. And thats just one monster

[serene jolt]

Oooh, ooooh I like that solution.

If they hit us less, we will take less damage. Haha! Love that. I'll take that solution. Until I get to level 5, then Spirit Guardians all the way.

[severe rampart]

2014 Silvery Barbs is good because it's a reaction/bonus action too wasn't it?

[serene jolt]

I'm a cleric

[fossil hollow]

reaction

[serene jolt]

And that's not a con spell

[fossil hollow]

You can grab it via fey touched if your DM allows Strixhaven

[crimson gulch]

Fey touched or magic initiate

[severe rampart]

it was good because if the enemy succeeded your save you could immediately take a reaction and silvery barb them wasn't it?

[serene jolt]

I don't need silvery. I was just thinking of a good cleric concentration spell at level 4.

[severe rampart]

ah, gotcha

[serene jolt]

Is Divine Strikes good for a war cleric at level 4? Since I can attack twice a few rounds.

[fossil hollow]

Are you intending to use cantrips or weapons more is the question

[serene jolt]

Or whatever the spell is called that gives you a 1d4 radiant on your weapon attacks.

I use my weapons more often, I'm a frontliner with the monk.

[fossil hollow]

might as well

Potent isnt going to do anything worth it if youre not using cantrips as primary damage

[serene jolt]

I forget what potent is

[fossil hollow]

Potent Spellcasting/Cantrips or whatever the other option is

[torpid hound]

Who came up with the idea of politically themed campaigns 😭
Your friend group is gonna be torn apart by arguments 😭

[woven flint]

D&D political intrigue campaigns are fun
And often don't have anything to do with real life politics, moreso, politics in the realms

[serene jolt]

That might be a 2024 thing cuz the only feature I get is at level 8, I can add 1d8 radiant to my weapon attacks (or with the optional feature, either weapon attacks or cantrips).

[knotty vine]

It is

[fossil hollow]

oh forgot its no longer add WIS mod to damage of cantrips

[serene jolt]

Yeah so at least with 2014 war cleric, I'm happy using weapon attacks as my primary.

We have two backliners (sorcerer and warlock), and it's just the monk and my cleric at the front lines. I kinda made her for a 'frontline' cleric.

Which I know isn't the most effective cleric ever but I'm not building to be the most optimal in the world. It's a casual campaign.

[torpid hound]

Technically you only need 1 of each dice

[serene jolt]

Uh yeah. That's why a set of dice only has one of each die.

[fossil hollow]

(with percentile being the exception)

[torpid hound]

I've seen players pull out 2 of the same dice

[fossil hollow]

Since when was it a crime to be a dice kobold

[serene jolt]

Sometimes people prefer to roll once and add up all the damage together. Or roll one time for adv/dis.

I do. I have a set for each character I've made, and some other sets that were gifted to me.

So more than one set isn't a bad thing.

[dark pewter]

You'll never catch me rolling a 9th-level fireball with a single d6, that's for sure

[undone rain]

I should get a dice

[fossil hollow]

never catch me rolling a single d6 for fireball period

[jovial shadow]

Unless you just like rolling dice all the time. You probably need to have more than one of each so you're not rolling the same die over and over again for damage and whatever

[crimson gulch]

I have a mug of 20d6 handy for metior swarm

[serene jolt]

I was lazy and didn't want to pull out dice so I rolled 1 die over and over again for upcasted guiding bolt.

[jovial shadow]

I personally don't use physical dice anymore ever since they came up with electronic dice

[serene jolt]

It would have been easier if I had just pulled out my extra dice but it's whatever. 🤣

[severe rampart]

... a mug?

[dark pewter]

It helps that I have like... 48 d6s just from my paper MtG days

[severe rampart]

You guys are making me want to buy physical dice!

[serene jolt]

I prefer the feeling of rolling physical dice. And I know for a fact that the randomizer isn't being buggy since it's... Real.

But I play digital DND too so sometimes I have to play with digital dice. It's not the same feeling.

[fossil hollow]

A mug with the fireball flower from mario on it

[crimson gulch]

A mug that my son painted a mario fire flower on

[fossil hollow]

everytime we see it, we fear for our lives

[severe rampart]

The fire flower of doom and despair

[knotty vine]

I can’t own dice I get too hungry 🥀💔

[fossil hollow]

... now i want gummy dice

[lyric viper]

TBH, I'm surprised a mug would hold that much. I feel like any of my normal mugs would hold maybe.. 10d6 tops.

...I'll be right back.

[dark pewter]

I miss my rock candy dice so badly

[fossil hollow]

did you eat em?

[dark pewter]

I did eat em

[fossil hollow]

the pain

[serene jolt]

Last session, our warlock friendly fired my cleric with Arms of Hadar and I was sad.

[undone rain]

Well i dont really like electronic dice. Feels cooler to have em in my own hand

[serene jolt]

I also don't think she read the spell because it erupts from herself and she placed a 10 foot sphere randomly on the map around where the enemies are. 🤣

[jovial shadow]

I don't care about Cooler, I just like convenience

[lyric viper]

Actually, y'know what, totally wrong, a mug of d6s is a lot.

[crimson gulch]

I got smaller d6 for the mass rolls

[undone rain]

Thats fine, to each their own

[crimson gulch]

I'm even starting to pull back from owlbear rodeo for my online games and just have a camera to broadcast my table with miniatures

[jovial shadow]

While you are rolling that mug of 40D6 And counting manually. My digital dice already counted it for me. LOL

[fossil hollow]

ok. I would rather count it out

[dark pewter]

Digital dice are very convenient, but nothing can ever top the sound of a cascade of dice when casting a powerful spell, at least for me

[lyric viper]

Yeah, So far I'v managed to get 40d6 of various sizes into a mug and it's only half full.

[dark pewter]

I've been playing exclusively online for the last... seven? years, and I do miss rolling my math rocks

[lyric viper]

I've run out of d6s

[crimson gulch]

And have the players miss out on the growing terror as I count higher and higher? No way it's a part of the experience

[lyric viper]

And yet, my dice bag barely can close on the handful of dice it has...

[undone rain]

Dice goblins all of you lol

[fossil hollow]

your dice bag is too small, needs to be replaced

[crimson gulch]

1000% last night when my party was getting mind blasted by a upscale mind flayer I couldent hold all the d8 easily and the look of terror is sublime

[serene jolt]

What's the nicest way to tell a player as a player they are using a spell incorrectly to the rules? Like if they use Arms of Hadar for example and place a sphere on the map (rather than casting from self)?

[fossil hollow]

tell them

[crimson gulch]

As fast as possible and kindly

[serene jolt]

I don't want to discourage them because they're new to DnD and I feel like I'm annoying the table sometimes, but I want to also make sure everyone is well informed.

[crimson gulch]

Being a fair and quick referee of the rules is essential

[serene jolt]

I am a rules lawyer but I obviously don't argue when the DM wants to overrule something. I just fear I'm annoying the players sometimes.

[crimson gulch]

Oh as a player I wouldent correct other players

Thats up to the dm.

[craggy summit]

If you're making an obvious correction to the rules instead of "ermmm actually you can't do this fun thing because you can't" then it's not annoying

[serene jolt]

The DM is also kinda new.

So I'm not expecting them to know everything about the players' spells and rules and stuff.

They're all mainly Pathfinder players that are dipping into 5e.

[dark pewter]

Bring it up to the DM between sessions/play, and they can choose whether to go by RAW or keep the modified spell

[craggy summit]

I don't think people would get annoyed. I'm a pretty experienced player and DM and sometimes my players correct me when I make a mistake and I appreciate when they do

It might be different for everyone but that's just me personally

[crimson gulch]

I shush players often who try to correct rules, because usually I have allready begun to respond and rule on things

[severe rampart]

I am pretty new to DnD as a whole so as a DM I have to either make a quick ruling or look up what the spell actually does, hopefully spending more time as a player will counteract that

[craggy summit]

I've been playing dnd since 2019 and as a DM, I still have to look up certain spells to see if what the player wants to do is possible 😅

[severe rampart]

Also feels bad when a player wants to do a cool thing but unfortunately the spell doesn't really do that-

[marble lion]

Im just really fast at looking it up

[blissful ibex]

yes, needs a free hand to grab the component out of

[craggy summit]

That makes me wonder tho, is it ever worth using a component pouch over an arcane focus? You gotta get the materials for all the spells you wanna use

Needing to find bats just because you wanna cast fireball sounds... tedious

[lavish flame]

The onus of knowing player abilities isn't on the DM. Its the players' job yo know what their stuff does, you've got the rest of the game to figure out.

[marble lion]

Right but in practice, when you have people that work for you, that wont stop you

Im not gonna kick players for not knowing details

Its a bit annoying but not something id ever kick for so i need to deal with it

[serene jolt]

At what level can a party of 4 adventurers think about chasing off an adult Green dragon?

We don't know if it's young or adult, but we know it's green and it isn't above adult. And we have some pretty great magic items, like uncommon-rare tier.

[marble lion]

Think about chasing off?
Not in its lair?

And not to the death

[serene jolt]

I'm not sure if it has made a lair or not but we are trying to get it out of the area. Any means possible.

So it could be to the death but the DM is pretty good about having smart monsters leave before they die

[rough basalt]

I'll kick if they clearly aren't making an effort but just forgetting is normal

[marble lion]

In its lair, it is completely openended because, like humans or vampires, green dragons are schemers and make alliances to use and manipulate

But if its alone, i guess that can be ignored

Id say chasing off can be easier or harder than killing
Depends on how much the dragon wants to stay there

[serene jolt]

What level do you think we should hit before considering taking the quest?

[marble lion]

If you mean being so strong the dragon knows it will die if it stays, thats a pretty solid level

[atomic kayak]

You don't need to find them no. Mechanically a component pouch functions for all of the same spells as any focus item does - so any M component that isn't costly or consumed. The pouch is assumed to have all non-costly/consumed components you might need.

In a lot of scenarios (multiclassing and for free hand purposes) a component pouch is actually superior to a focus

[marble lion]

Do you think your dm will abuse the flying?

If so, high
If not, 8+ probably

If flying isnt a gameover for you

[craggy summit]

Ahhhh okay that's interesting 👀 I always thought that the component pouch starts out empty and you had to find or buy the materials you need

[marble lion]

And dont group up in its breath unless youre poison immune or at least resistant

Dragons are very rough to estimate tbh

It depends so much on the dm, the party resistances and their tactics

[craggy summit]

I had a party that SMOKED an ancient red dragon 😅 but to be fair, they were a pretty big and strong party

[marble lion]

Greens are easy pie if youre poison resistant

My party has a warforged (res)
A paladin (immune and save bonus)
Giant feat (res)
All 3 have great con as well

If i ran a green into them, theyd run it over

But they cant fly so it could cheese them rather easily too

[knotty vine]

Dragons are pretty weak in dnd

I prefer the giants

[rough basalt]

Giants and Dragons are fun

[knotty vine]

Especially the scions

[rough basalt]

Fought Scion of Stronmaus once.
Was a lot of fun.

[knotty vine]

Bro fought the strongest one for what purpose

[rough basalt]

Level 20 one shot cause a girl I used to play with had gotten bigbys and was excited to use one.

[knotty vine]

Bigby’s book is a lot of fun

But the thing is they kinda have count of 1200+ since it’s a two phase fight like the dragons

[rough basalt]

I like 2 phase fights

[knotty vine]

Since you destroy the cradle first then the actual giant appears where it was

[serene jolt]

Noted. Thanks! We're only level 4 right now but I think prepping poison resis potions will be a must when we get to level 8-ish

[knotty vine]

I still think it’s funny when people say “you can just grapple Sul Kentish” when she just has the ability to turn into any of the Scion’s

[torpid hound]

"Isn't that the game where you go down inaudible basement and dress up... cultist and summon a demon through an-"
"OKAY, WHOA"

[knotty vine]

explode

[mighty wharf]

Tasha I got a ring of spell storing 😭

I'm telling everyone now

Idk if I told you yet. I'm actually like so hyped for this ring.

[knotty vine]

are the biggest creautres in dnd the scions?

height wise

[woven flint]

Astral Dreadnoughts are probably way bigger

[knotty vine]

I said height wise the “infinity tail” doesn’t count

[woven flint]

There have also been literal living planets in D&D history with Statblocks

[knotty vine]

It only said that the head and torso are often described as 30-50 feet

[woven flint]

There are definitely things way bigger than Giant Psions

[knotty vine]

Like?

[woven flint]

They're just uh...
Not often ON a planet

[knotty vine]

Do those things have a stat block?

[woven flint]

I mentioned Astral Dreadnoughts, Living Planets, deities can appear bigger than most things if they wanted

[knotty vine]

I said with stat blocks homie or a stated/ defined height

Not “yeah god can appear as bigger then that”

[woven flint]

Astral Dradnaughts gave statblocks
And living planets have statblocks, I just forgot the names of them.
I think
Logia was one of them?

[knotty vine]

That’s gotta be homebrew

[woven flint]

Doesn't have a statblock that I know of, but Neth, the Plane that lives is a living Demiplane.

[woven flint]

It's not.

Allabar, The Opener of Ways was a CR 30 creature that was an entire planet in 4th edition.

[knotty vine]

Ew 4th edition

[woven flint]

You're a joy to talk to.

[elder tree]

time to setup the vtt for todays session basically last minute because it decided to not work til now 😄

[knotty vine]

There’s a reason 4e was so short lived

[wispy wing]

Potion of resistance is mentioned in one of Pack Tactics' videos. Are those craftable with the Herbalism kit?

[knotty vine]

any potion is

just takes time

[woven flint]

There's also Genuis Loci is also a creature that can range from field to Moon sized from 3rd editions Epic Level Monsters.

[knotty vine]

can we stick to 5e

[woven flint]

You asked
"In DnD" as a general question

[dark pewter]

By RAW, an herbalism kit only crafts Potions of Healing. There are other crafting rules for other potions

[knotty vine]

in 5e are there any creatures bigger then the scions in bigbys

[stoic halo]

So if a necromancer resurrected someone that died to a disease would the illness come back to life?

[wispy wing]

Ok digging in DMG.....

[knotty vine]

well nercomancers dont "revive" people

the bring them back from the dead but if you used something like revivfy itll say it if cures the illness or not

[mighty wharf]

Cadavers typically transmit disease more effectively...

If anything, it's a hazard currently

[knotty vine]

undeads are immune to disease in dnd

[craggy summit]

Do they? 🤔 I'd figure that they'd have no disease since there's nothing for the disease to infect and invade and stuff

[wispy wing]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/dmg-2024/treasure#ArcanaProficiency

If I read it correctly I'd need proficency in Arcana and a Herbalism (or Alchemy) kit to craft a potion.

Then this table is the time required and price?

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/dmg-2024/treasure#MagicItemCraftingTimeandCost

[knotty vine]

undeads cant have a disease and if you use a spell that revives them then itll do something diff

[craggy summit]

Ahh right right

[dark pewter]

That sounds about right, yeah. Obviously, consult with your GM on acquiring those materials, but those are the tables to go off of

[knotty vine]

for example This spell neutralizes any poisons and cures normal diseases afflicting the creature when it died. It doesn't, however, remove magical diseases, curses, and the like, if such affects aren't removed prior to casting the spell, they afflict the target on its return to life.

[wispy wing]

Ok then I'll scrap the idea of crafting potions. I chose Calligrapher's supplies to be able to scribe scrolls. That will have to do.

[knotty vine]

but a think like raise dead just kinda imubes the body with life

[rough basalt]

Poor executive handling.
Launch issues.
Too before it's time.

[outer path]

hello

[still plover]

The setup could do numbers with today's VTTs.

[rough basalt]

Yeah majority of 4es issues were not related to the game.

There's a reason why some of the other current popular tabletop games use 4e as a core part of their system or main inspiration.

[knotty vine]

4e could have been much better yes

[rough basalt]

5e24 made masteries which were level 1 powers and added DMs advice on par with the 4e DMG
Pf2e uses 4es combat design

Draw Steel uses 4e as a baseline.

Daggerheart uses the baseline of 4es combat system

[thorn quarry]

Is there a stat block for Dagon or panzuriel?

[rough basalt]

Lancer, a mech tabletop game uses 4es combat system

And the most popular third party monster book? Just a compilation of 4e MMs statblocks adjusted for 5e

[mighty wharf]

My greed never ends, the next magic item I want is a ruby weave gem. So I can cast all sorts of spells from other classes into my spell ring with my leftover spells and be the ultimate toolbox.

[rough basalt]

General Answer: It was never Pathfinder fixes this, it was DnD 4e fixes this

[feral fulcrum]

ANd bad marketing, which I suppose you could lump under the first point.

[rough basalt]

Yep

[fickle heart]

Crime & tragedy, in part.

[undone rain]

Finally dnd tomorrow

First session as an ex oathbreaker

[fickle heart]

Never played 4e myself, but a lot of the criticisms I see of it from people who did play it were "this plays like a videogame and everything is same-y", which is a very valid concern in my eyes.

[halcyon forum]

one could argue that pathfinder fixed 4e in turn

[still plover]

I find that one hilarious seeing how VTTs and grid play have blown up.

[rough basalt]

4e had issues for sure but it did a lot really well which is why a lot of newer systems that have core combat mechanics use it to some degree.

[fickle heart]

It's less about the VTTs and more that you play like an MMO where you have a sort of "rotation".

[rough basalt]

It was also the first dmg I think that acknowledged that you're people playing a game together and gave advice on how to handle players out of game iirc

Similar to '24s social contract section

I just think it's good that dnd '24 looked at Pathfinder 2e and said "you know what? They(4e design team) did cook. It's time for a bit more 4e on the menu"

[still plover]

I'll buy that.

[rough basalt]

4e is a lot of fun if you like mmos which I can get the criticism for.

I think if I played dnd back then I probably would've latched onto 4e like a Doberman latches onto its owner.

[severe rampart]

... uhh is that a criticism or? I am very unfamiliar with the term

[rough basalt]

Dobermans are known as velcro dogs, like they latch onto you like velcro.
Basically always expect to have an 80lb big dog laying against you or on your lap whining or groaning whenever they want attention and that's whenever they're not sleeping.
Basically I would've jumped all over it and wouldn't wanna stop playing it.

Tho I didn't get into dnd till the 2020s, so I latched onto 5e like so.

Even tho I wanna and do try other systems, it's just so easy to run 5e for me nowadays so it's fun and comfy.

[echo meteor]

Yoo, i was looking at stat block on Vecna because i was curious and i gotta say...

Fog Cloud just disables half the things this guy can do

he cant teleport around, counterspell

and alot of his spells require sight

[rough basalt]

His statblocks pretty weak ye

[echo meteor]

arent you suppoed to fight him at level 20?

[rough basalt]

19 or 20

[still plover]

No dispel magic?

[echo meteor]

hmm thats true

[rough basalt]

I'm in an EoR game currently so at some point I'll see how his arena is.

But if he's within counterspell distance you ain't getting fog cloud off.

[echo meteor]

well, its a con-save now i think.. and Metamagic Adept is pretty awesome feat

[rough basalt]

His isn't counterspell counterspell

It is its own ability

[echo meteor]

ya i know

[rough basalt]

Negates all spells 4th and under and he uses the old ability check for higher

[echo meteor]

is Metamagic Adept still takeable in 2024?

you can just circumvent counterspells with suble magic

but yeah, that dispell magic - at will

i guess you can get a bunch of Eversmoking Bottles

you cant dispel magic eversmoking bottles

[knotty vine]

What are y’all talking about

[echo meteor]

and you should be able to buy heaps of them b4 vecna fight

[knotty vine]

Oh venca

[echo meteor]

about how vecna cant counter any of your spells if you cover the arena in fog with eversmoking bottles

[knotty vine]

Can’t he just teleport beside someone and heal

[echo meteor]

not if you cover the arena with eversmokign bottles he cant

cause all the teleport spells require vision, except dimension door, which is twice a day

[knotty vine]

Couldn’t he just cast guat of wind

[inner silo]

Is all Tashas laughter hideous or does she have a special laugh that's hideous that's the spell?

[echo meteor]

he doesnt have that spell

[cedar smelt]

Looks like I have a game scheduled! After 4 months its on again!

[knotty vine]

I don’t think it would be crazy for a ARCHlich wizard to prepare a second level spell

[inner silo]

Doesn't vecna have truesight?

[echo meteor]

well i guess vecna might have "Warding Wind" or "Gust of Wind"

maybe he has been spying on the heroes and know about their plans to cover the arena with eversmoking bottles

so he prepared the spell

[knotty vine]

I mean if he can cast animate dead detect magic dispel magic fly lighting all at will

[echo meteor]

dont you need to prepare the spell though?

[jovial shadow]

Monsters only have the spells that the description says they have. If you want them to have more or have actualy spell caster spells and spell levels, then you will need to increase both their CR and XP.

[still plover]

Personally I'd be amazed if Vecna's capabilities actually matched what it said in the book.

[echo meteor]

true sight doesnt do anything against Fog Cloud

[knotty vine]

It’s not it really isn’t

[fossil hollow]

Outside of Zariel, Sul and Rak Katesh, i dont think 5e does that well in making named characters feel. well, named

[inner silo]

I see

[echo meteor]

oof... eversmokiing bottles it is xD

[knotty vine]

I mean Xanther and Iggwilv

[fossil hollow]

Xanathar uses a normal beholder

and Igg is... Igg

[still plover]

Heresy!

[knotty vine]

He has a few special things !

[fossil hollow]

all of em magic items

[knotty vine]

Ack true

But still Tasha the witch/igg is still lives up to her names sake

[fossil hollow]

I literally just slapped a Ring of Invisibility on him, and a || Ring of Force Resistance and Mind Shielding||

[atomic kayak]

one for each stalk

[fossil hollow]

oop, i need more rings then

Cant just make it all ||Resistance Rings|| though

[knotty vine]

Aren’t a beholders eye stalks sentient

[atomic kayak]

I do actually like doing funny things like that for boss enemies sometimes

Just "oh - that would make sense" things that you might not think about on first pass

[fossil hollow]

I do currently have it where if Xanathar uses ||A legendary resistance, he loses a random eyebeam for 24 hours||

[knotty vine]

There’s also Tiamat and Asmodues if you consider chains of Asmodues official

[echo meteor]

wait, yall fighting a beholder?

throw down Fog Cloud/Eversmoking Bottles!

[fossil hollow]

My waterdeep party is thinking of taking on Xanathar

[echo meteor]

dem eyes wont see anyhting!

[fossil hollow]

AMF would supress the fog

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[echo meteor]

can it suppress magic items?

[knotty vine]

It’s an anti magic field so yes

[fossil hollow]

yes. Its just Anti Magtic Field in a Cone

[echo meteor]

oh yeah that would work

xanathar has that ability? crazy

[fossil hollow]

all beholders do

[echo meteor]

thats a smaller area though, they can just toss the bottles around :/

[fossil hollow]

thats literally their central eye beam

[echo meteor]

its still pretty awesome

[fossil hollow]

sure, thats where indiscriminate destruction and minions come to play

[echo meteor]

i doubt the players would be smart to buy a bunch of eversmoking bbottles though XD

heck, i dont think i've seen wizards ever use Fog Cloud spell EVER even though it trivialized a TON of encounters

[fossil hollow]

Ive seen a wizard spend a BA for unseen servant to put out enemy torches, that paired with their enemies literally being only human did wonders for their ability to curb stomp the Dead Three Cult

[echo meteor]

thats funny

i guess they didnt have any torches in their inventory

or a way to create light]\

[fossil hollow]

No, the cultusts were trying to light their torches everytime, they just got put out everytime

[echo meteor]

LOL thats an awesome trick to fighting humans though

[fossil hollow]

granted, i could have made them all get out torches, but then they wouldnt be able to pull out or switch weapons

or open doors

[echo meteor]

was this 2014?

[fossil hollow]

2024

[echo meteor]

cause you can pull out weapons as part of an attack action now

[fossil hollow]

i dont think monsters get that same thing with multiattack

they can just switch

[echo meteor]

its for any "attack" not necessarily attack action :/

[fossil hollow]

the 2024 rules confused me on it a bit, Multiattack is still Attack action right?

[echo meteor]

oh, monsters couldnt just "switch" weapons b4 either.. like if they had a shield on, they cant use their bow

[echo meteor]

well equip/unequip is part of the attack itself.. not an attack action

so "extra attacks" should also be able to equip/unequip

[fossil hollow]

No, its specifically attack action, otherwise youd be able to switch for BA attacks, which you cannot

[echo meteor]

i thought u could

[fossil hollow]

you cannot

[echo meteor]

oh your right

does extra attack count?

[fossil hollow]

As a martial main, i made it a point to remember that much

Extra Attack is still part of the Attack action

[echo meteor]

but multi attack isnt?

[fossil hollow]

that one i am not sure of. I know how it works player side, but not monster side

[dark pewter]

Extra Attack affects the Attack action by allowing you to attack an additional number of times

Multiattack is not an Attack action, but allows multiple specific attacks to be made

[echo meteor]

yeah, that makes sense how you can swap weapons using nick because it becomes part of the attack action

[fossil hollow]

exactly

[echo meteor]

interesting.. so monsters cant swap wapons and attack like the players

well they can just take the normal "attack [action]" and forego the multi attack though cant htey?

[fossil hollow]

unless their MA says they can, with the in any combination wording imo

[echo meteor]

isnt attack [action] just a generic action that all creatures just have?

[dark pewter]

Monsters are not bound by the same mechanics as players

If a Multiattack says they can use 3+ different weapons, they just can

[fossil hollow]

and the action economy for lighting a torch is what again? TLOI?

[hot reef]

They can also ready Multiattack I believe

[echo meteor]

i meant, can they still take the basic actions?
like Attack [Action], go [Prone], Hide [Action]

[fossil hollow]

yeap

[echo meteor]

so your humans could have lit a torch and took a normal attack action, without mujlti attack

[dark pewter]

Monsters can do what their stat block says + any base game Actions. Anything else is GM fiat

[fossil hollow]

But then they wouldnt have gotten more attacks

since monsters dont have Extra Attack

[echo meteor]

didnt you say they coudlnt do anything but light a torch?

[dark pewter]

That said, this topic is moving more into #dnd-rules territory, and should probably be moved there

[fossil hollow]

they can, there was just a punch of torches being put out every round and doors needing to be opened

[echo meteor]

interesting..

[knotty vine]

Burn down a building

[echo meteor]

sounds like that BG3 encounter early in the game in Overgrown Ruins (Jergal's home) whee you can open the door, fire a shot, then close the door every turn XD

[fossil hollow]

it was BG:DiA

[echo meteor]

ah i was tallking about baldur's gate 3 game,

the trick about putting out torch lights when fighting humans sounds like an awesome idea though

[fossil hollow]

no survivors... so the rest of the cult cant adapt in a later encounter beforehand

[echo meteor]

you make Prestidigitation actually sounds really good

[fossil hollow]

that would have also been a good pick, but it was an action, so the wizard opted for the non-conc, spammable BA option

[echo meteor]

Unseen Servant can only put out 2 torches right?

[idle oar]

But if the party has brought in multiple unseen servants...

[mighty wharf]

That's when you remind them that ritual casting takes 10+ minutes so they don't do it recklessly

[fossil hollow]

I think the only thing i could have done to make it a bit harder was make multiple of em pull out torches, but I think theFist of Bane have a shield, so only one free hand

[idle oar]

I think it would be one action per Unseen Servant to put out a torch.

[mighty wharf]

And if they want to do that, they should really do Tiny Servant instead.

[fossil hollow]

yeah, it would be a BA for one toche

theyre only level 2

3 levels away from Tiny Servant

[mighty wharf]

Level 2... so only first level spell slots...

I'd say Fog Cloud+Faerie Fire if it didn't require concentration for both

You wouldn't be able to see them RAW because of heavy obscurement but it would be my best bet since lighting things up in fog just makes sense and they can't benefit from invisibility so I'd interpret the intent they can't benefit from obscurement either.

[fossil hollow]

Fog cloud would have been detrimental for the mostly martial crew. Blinding the humans with darkness was much better

[echo meteor]

i like the "blowing out the torch" idea more

[fossil hollow]

And FF doesnt mess with their attack rolls

[echo meteor]

its not really detrimental, but its not necessarily advantageous.. blowing out the torhches was better

[fossil hollow]

means everyone is rolling neutral

and cant ever get advantage

[echo meteor]

yep, not detrimental 😛

[fossil hollow]

the detrimental part is no advantage

[mighty wharf]

But no opportunity attacks, they're required to see for that aren't they?

[woven flint]

My favorite cursed spell combo is
CME + SWS

[echo meteor]

yep

[fossil hollow]

same effect with blinding humans with darkness

[serene jolt]

I think they still benefit from obscurement (because it doesn't say otherwise). But since you have advantage on them and normally would get disadvantage from heavily obscured, the roll would be flat instead.

The same could apply with pack tactics, flanking (if flanking rule is allowed), and any other way of getting advantage.

[mighty wharf]

My favorite cursed spell combo is Suggestion [2024] and Feign Death. Stupidly powerful when it works.

[torpid hound]

NPC idea: A Goliath Barbarian that challenges the party to single combat. His weakness is the Sling

[mighty wharf]

And it uses a really niche, borderline useless spell to do it. Suggestion! /j

[serene jolt]

Better yet, a Giant that challenges the party to single combat. 🤣

[torpid hound]

But that's not a Goliath

[fossil hollow]

goliaths are still part giant

[serene jolt]

But wasn't Goliath a giant?

I think Goliath was the name of the giant.

[idle oar]

Related to Giants but not giants

[serene jolt]

Goliath is the name of the giant in question of this reference. Not an actual Goliath species DnD made.

[woven flint]

Goliaths are Giantkin, not Giantfolk

[serene jolt]

I guess both can work but I think it'd be funnier if it was a giant that challenges the party and his name is Goliath.

[woven flint]

Oh, hmmm..

[torpid hound]

Even funnier if it was a Goliath named Goliath

[woven flint]

Are you talking about like...
David and Goliath?

[fossil hollow]

yeah

giant + sling vulnerability

[woven flint]

I don't think Goliath was an ACTUAL giant, just a really big dude

[torpid hound]

Yeah

[mighty wharf]

"So they know you used Suggestion because of the verbal components and the guards are going to seize you now."
"Oh you can't ask this enemy for a freebie in combat because that would 'directly harmful' even if it doesn't do damage"
If I ever have a DM that does this I will crash out and leave the table. RAW it says I could tell them to straight up LEAVE, ending the encounter. Just let me do the cool combo...

[echo meteor]

i do wonder the morality of questioning criminals under “dominate person” to get a confession

though, i guess charm person is enough

[mighty wharf]

Basically treating Suggestion like charm person and Instant Friends or whatever that spell is.

[echo meteor]

you can get false confessions i guess with dominate person

[woven flint]

I mean, both of those are Valid, really

Suggestion isn't like a straight up Jedi Mindtrick

[hot reef]

Zone of Truth

[mighty wharf]

That's my interpretation, that it IS a jedi mindtrick. They don't know they're charmed, they can resist it, and it's got limitations.

[woven flint]

When you cast a spell with Verbal components, it's pretty clear you're saying incantations if you're just doing it out in the open.

Also, it's a low level spell.

[mighty wharf]

One or the other is fine imo but both is what causes me to crash out

[echo meteor]

pretty awesome, though you can’t force them to speak

[mighty wharf]

Because then what is it useful for?

[gusty cedar]

Hola chat 🫃

How are you 🔥

[mighty wharf]

You can't use it in combat, you can't use it in social situations because they hear you casting the spell for 6 seconds, what is the point?

[hot reef]

In a fantasy setting with Zone of Truth, silence within a Zone of Truth could be seen as admission

[echo meteor]

rip

i want my lawyer 😭

[hot reef]

Depends on your setting’s politics

[echo meteor]

lol i guess there’s no laws against self incrimination

[woven flint]

Zone of Truth doesn't compell you to outwardly just tell the truth though, it just prevents you from lying, you could talk AROUND a question, but you can't lie about it

[mighty wharf]

And if you're caught and imprisoned, you don't have your spellbook so how are you casting suggestion to free yourself?

[hot reef]

I like to say that in my world, nobles can refuse to enter a zone of truth

[echo meteor]

you probably prepared it beforehand

[mighty wharf]

Yes but RAW you need your spellbook to cast spells.

You prepare it in your spellbook as a learned caster

[echo meteor]

did they change the rules in 2024?

[serene jolt]

No you need your spellbook to change out prepared spells.

[echo meteor]

i thought you just needed it to prepare it

[serene jolt]

Or add new spells*

[mighty wharf]

Ok. Now the prison has an antimagic field, because of course it would. It's a prison.

[serene jolt]

The only thing you require is the material component or an arcane focus if it has a M component.

[mighty wharf]

So again, Suggestion does not get you out of that situation.

[serene jolt]

Nor does any spell

[woven flint]

The point is to use it CAREFULLY, have your party members cause a distraction, cast it from its max range and then walk up as if nothing happened, you're most likely just saying the verbal components at a normal talking volume unless the dm says otherwise

[serene jolt]

With that logic. XD

[woven flint]

Suggestion is a low level spell
It shouldn't just be a freebie out of every situation lol

[echo meteor]

it’s weird how there’s no obvious “wizard book club” in major cities that has the collection of every spell that wizards can “check out” and/or “copy”

though, i think in a setting like strixhaven, a wizard would have easy access to any spell they desire in the school library

[hot reef]

Pretty sure there are easier ways to prevent spellcasting than a permanent 8th level spell

[serene jolt]

Most DMs that I've ever had when I was trapped in prison or jail or anything usually didnt set an anti-magic field unless they present other opportunities to escape or it's part of their story.

Because a lot of them want you to be creative and find ways around their blockades.

[still plover]

In my Grim Fels game statements in a legal matter were taken under zone of truth with a separate observer from the caster to watch for shenanigans. That was in a big city with a strong legal culture, mind.

[marble lion]

Charmed is meant to be used on a single person, where its fine if they realise afterwards, but wont be intervened in the moment by witnesses

Ofc guards will stop you from charming people if they notice

Youre meant to get ppl alone to use it

[woven flint]

And it's literally in the spells text that you can't just tell a creature to do something that'd put it in harms way

[serene jolt]

But also 'Subtle' is a great way to handle it without being caught easily.

Or any subclass features that allows you to subtly cast charms/spells

[marble lion]

I even except big distractions

[woven flint]

And asking a creature to ALLOW itself to be hit is, indeed, putting it in harms way

[marble lion]

But please dont try to cast it overtly surrounded by witnesses, in a place where magic is known

[mighty wharf]

Yeah. So theoretically, in combat, I should be able to tell a charmed creature to "let me cast a protective spell on you"

[echo meteor]

lol i imagine someone casting zone of truth mid conversation with subtle spell and causing political chaos

[marble lion]

Youre losing a turn to do that so i guess id let it work

[echo meteor]

especially during a speech

[woven flint]

I think intentions also matter, because from what you've told me, what you wanted to do is dubious

[marble lion]

They dont need to start blabbing truth
They would just suddenly stop talking and be confused possibly

[woven flint]

The creature doesn't have a way to know that, but, you, the caster, know you'll be harming it

[serene jolt]

If it's actually a protective spell, then sure. But if it's a spell that will put them in danger, then no.

[mighty wharf]

It's SUGGESTION I'm making them do something they don't want to of COURSE it's dubious, the limitation is not it's "dubious" it's "directly damages the creature"

[echo meteor]

they wouldn’t know that they are in a zone of truth though

[marble lion]

Why would your intent matter?

[woven flint]

I'd be really strict with suggestion rulings, personally

[limber trail]

They would know when they find themselves unable to lie

[marble lion]

Theyd still just not be able to lie

[echo meteor]

depends on how truthful these politicians are 😛

[marble lion]

People think zone of truth is truth serum. Its not. It stops lying

[echo meteor]

if they are, they wouldn’t even notice

[marble lion]

And that is if they fail the safe

[serene jolt]

You can just dance around the truth or stay silent.

You know players would. Why not NPCs?

[marble lion]

I think charming a person to make it do something harmless, but then using that to harm it, is within ability of the spell

[still plover]

A real politician would just talk around the subject until the spell expired.

[marble lion]

100%

[echo meteor]

does it alert them that they are in one? or do they realize when they try to lie and find that they can’t?

[woven flint]

Personally?
I'm an Illusion over Enchantment enjoyer

Illusions are just better 😎

[echo meteor]

i mean, id think a politician would have high charisma though for the save

[serene jolt]

Let me look at the wording of the spell

[still plover]

Illusion plus prep with the DM: fun times.

[marble lion]

If i tell you to please stand next to the explosive barrel, i expect that to work, because its not causing you any harm
You couldnt know that ill blow it up next turn

Youre charmed, you wouldnt expect a hostile action from me

[serene jolt]

"An affected creature is aware of the spell and can thus avoid answering questions to which it would normally respond with a lie. Such creatures can be evasive in its answers as long as it remains within the boundaries of the truth."

[marble lion]

"Let me give you a shave" should work too

[serene jolt]

Yes they are aware they are under the effects of the spell.

[still plover]

If it's got a lit fuse sticking out of the top, that's different.

[echo meteor]

rip 😭

[woven flint]

I think the problem with Enchantment spells is just how much people want to try and abuse them and are likely to try and find loopholes for them.

[marble lion]

Yup thats true

Maneuvering enemies into opportune spots is an obvious and legal use of charming

[echo meteor]

lol “dominate person” is better then xD

[marble lion]

If you forbid that because the caster knows it will be harmful, imo youre abusing your dm power

[limber trail]

yes it's 5th level

[feral fulcrum]

I mean, people who want to abuse spells, will do that Regardless of Schools

[limber trail]

vs 2nd level

[serene jolt]

Well ...
2024 begs to differ. 90% of previously humanoid species are now not humanoid anymore 🤣

[mighty wharf]

"Abuse spells" as if they're not a mechanic meant to be used

[woven flint]

Yeah, but I feel Enchantments are the BIGGEST abuse case.

[marble lion]

People who abuse spells get yo have a chat with me about what exactly they want in the game

[still plover]

-# Spellcasters don't abuse spells, spellcasters abuse people?

[marble lion]

I dont have to nerf enchanters, just kick annoying players

[echo meteor]

spellcasters that don’t want to abuse spells?

[marble lion]

What are you saying

[serene jolt]

Like why the heck are Lizardfolk considered Elementals now? 🤣

[echo meteor]

would you allow wall of force + faithful hound??

[feral fulcrum]

Read Tokii's post explicitly saying 'Abuse' in regards to people trying to get Spells to do what they don't Do in the Text.

[marble lion]

No idea what that is

[woven flint]

Si ^

[echo meteor]

it’s an instant kill death trap

[limber trail]

If someone needs to ask "would you allow this + that" you need to stop watching dnd tiktok and play actual dnd with actual other people

[feral fulcrum]

Because they're vaguely water aligned and therefore Elemental because Raisins.

[limber trail]

do you not enjoy combat in dnd or something

[marble lion]

If it actually consistently works, no

[limber trail]

do you not enjoy playing the game

[knotty vine]

teleports out

[echo meteor]

yaa, which is why u talk about it post game

[echo meteor]

you can teleport out of wall of force!??

[limber trail]

yes did you not know that

[feral fulcrum]

Does wall of force block Teleportation or Sight?

[limber trail]

no

[feral fulcrum]

If No, then yes you can teleport out of it.

[knotty vine]

No