dnd-discussion

[marble lion]

The amount of times i see charm spells cast on characters that could bring down hell on the party is too high

[raw grove]

He says druids need to be serious and that my character be a wizard. Despite her her training in a druid circle.
I keep explaining to him that she learned to be serious. Between when. She was little to adulthood.

[stoic haven]

Pfffffft

[echo meteor]

i guess that’s what “alter self” is for ^^

[marble lion]

I thought your character isnt a goofball anymore

[stoic haven]

Classes dont need to be anything with personality

[pearl hedge]

it seems your DM has a personal vendetta against your character

[raw grove]

She's not

[sly crest]

yes, because every druid is born with a frown on their little newborn face s/

[blissful ibex]

yeeaaah, I'd drop that table so fast XD

[stoic haven]

I have a boyish Druid named Tolin. Complete child with his personality and naive views

[pearl hedge]

also apparently druids aren't serious anymore?

[marble lion]

I fully respect not wanting any goofballs in a game you run. Comedy isnt everyones cup, but childhood personality from the backstory? What?

[potent vector]

Thankfully they changed this in 2024e

[blissful ibex]

I have a chaos gremlin of a true netural druidlock

[pearl hedge]

halfling?

[blissful ibex]

it's fine

[sly crest]

They have a serious duty and take nature seriously. A druid is perfectly suited for a serious character.

[marble lion]

That is so weird

[stoic haven]

Elf

[pearl hedge]

yeah i'm pretty sure any class/character can be played seriously. this dm has no idea what he's talking about

[marble lion]

"No your character cant have been goofy as a child"

Thats like every second child

[pearl hedge]

"you cannot have had childlike wonder in your life"

[worn lagoon]

Absolutely goofy. Several canon druids are extremely unserious.

[raw grove]

So it's not my writing that's the problem the dm is just being difficult?

[sly crest]

yes

[stoic haven]

Bro, we are playing an imaginary game about fantasy and math, we are not serious

[pearl hedge]

yes your writing is great it's the DM who's in the wrong

[marble lion]

Nah i want serious

[blissful ibex]

your dm should not be a dm if they're pulling out arbitrary house rules like that
especially after session 0

[marble lion]

Its fine to not want goofy rp
Just preference

[stoic haven]

Also, btw, Tolin is my favorite character I've ever played

[pearl hedge]

yeah with fire breathing dragons and spells where you can talk to the dead.. i don't think you need to take D&D this seriously

[marble lion]

I really just dont get his issue. Your character is serious now

Why would having been goofy matter

[echo meteor]

anyone can be a DM… tbh maybe the group they found is just not for them

[pearl hedge]

yeah but when you put down a player just because they were goofy in their backstory as a child thats where i draw the line

[marble lion]

No exactly yeah

[pearl hedge]

that's absolutely insane

[blissful ibex]

just because you can be a DM doesn't mean you should though

[mighty wharf]

I'm sorry why does a banshee have resistance to fire... it's an undead, I thought they were supposed to be weak to fire

[marble lion]

If anything this backstory plays into my preference because its about them killing their inner clown to become a hero. I like that

[mighty wharf]

Wait banshees are ghosts arent they?

[pearl hedge]

that's actually a very solid character arc

[mighty wharf]

That's so annoying. What am I supposed to do to a ghost that can just 0 me if I fail a save? 💀

[stoic haven]

Yea, I feel like this should also either be a character arc in either losing it or having to regain a sense of hope or happiness in the world

[marble lion]

Its fine as just backstory

[echo meteor]

well, depends on what the group thinks, how willing they are willing to change, etc… it feels more of an “out of d&d, rule 0 talk”

[marble lion]

"I used to be really goofy but my training honed me into an instrument of nature"

[raw grove]

Given that campaign was a 1shot yes I'm leaving that table thank you for the advice everyone.

[marble lion]

Thats really cool

[sly crest]

good stuff!

[stoic haven]

Oh it is fine, just a good character arc to show dynamic character growth

And active in the campaign (very against having most of the cool stuff happen in the backstory, as thats not the focus of the campaign)

[blissful ibex]

Except "All druids need to be dreadfully serious their entire lives, including when they were small children before they became druids." is such a wild take it goes beyond anything remotely reasonable

[marble lion]

I wish i could post gifs to represent my semihumorous statement that i will not have any character arc in my games that leads to becoming goofier

[pearl hedge]

im glad you're leaving that table. may you roll a nat 20 on your next group

[minor cargo]

Sorry for delay.

Yes if we're playing 2014, since that's RAW. https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2308-friends
No if we're playing 2024, since RAW it just knows it was charmed (plus the extra context/reasoning I put above). https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2618924-friends

[mighty wharf]

I'm a level 5 wizard 😭

[gusty hamlet]

👀

[pearl hedge]

the DM sounds very very insecure

[sly crest]

"Welcome to the Salty Spittoon, how tough are ya?"

[marble lion]

I think maybe the dm had something happen involving goofy stuff

Got allergic to goofy characters

[pearl hedge]

i don't know the reference sorry

[marble lion]

Found the goofygoober

[sly crest]

spongebob

[blissful ibex]

it's not even a goofy character is the thing, it's a formerly goofy character XD

[pearl hedge]

ohhh i wasn't allowed to watch as a child

[blissful ibex]

dude has issues

[marble lion]

I know but theyre so allergic that the mere vision of it scared them

[marble lion]

You should watch a few now

[sly crest]

I never watched, but it's a pretty common meme

[blissful ibex]

god forbid children be the slightest bit whimsical and grow up to be fairly serious sorts >.>

[pearl hedge]

i'm okay but thanks

[marble lion]

10min episodes if youre feeling bored

[echo meteor]

you really can’t make someone believe or do anything. some ppl believe crazy stuff. if a group of likeminded individuals decide to play a game of d&d under rules that they believe is correct and have fun with it… that’s fine.

if someone “normal” comes in and finds that its crazy, they can choose to stay or leave xD but yeah, it’s just rule 0 talk

[gusty hamlet]

Am i making wrong mouve trying to learn Dnd? I m new to this,never played it before and seams a bit complicated. Any advices for noobs?

[sly crest]

I'm new too

[raw grove]

14 but she 26 now when she meets the party the idea a person can't change in 12 years is unreasonable .

[barren panther]

I don't think anyone in the D&D server will tell you you're wrong for learning D&D haha, welcome

[echo meteor]

it is pretty crazy from what i can tell though

[blissful ibex]

But like, this level of restriction is something you put in the LFP, it's not something you leave until you have people sat at a game table even as a session 0 thing

[gusty hamlet]

Tnx

[echo meteor]

i’m honestly not surprised these kind of stuff happen

[blissful ibex]

throwback to that one post where someone had like a 10 page document of restrictions that basically said all neutral characters are basicalley evil and that healing word was a bard only spell and cure wounds was a cleric only spell and a dozen other insane takes XD

[barren panther]

it's a little complicated at first, but like most things, you'll get better with time. It's a lot of fun

[echo meteor]

they can genuinely believe that they are playing d&d the “correct” way and no amount of talking can actually convince them

[marble lion]

Uh that neutral take is a can of worms though

[blissful ibex]

yep

[stoic haven]

Seen this way too much

[marble lion]

Like i can see the logic behind it but also see some nuance missed

[stoic haven]

I want a link to that post

[rough basalt]

There's very few incorrect ways to play dnd.
And they're all the ways I don't play dnd. /j

[marble lion]

And then the complexity of how each person views neutral

[blissful ibex]

gimme a sec, I'll fish it up
https://www.reddit.com/r/dndhorrorstories/comments/1nue8mf

[pearl hedge]

@gusty hamlet no problem! i'm sort of new with some campaigns and oneshots played, but we're always eager and glad to help!!

[gusty hamlet]

I have a couple of ideas for oc but I'm not sure if it will work exactly as I thought due to game rules and etc.

[rough basalt]

I think if the DM has changed the game to make some players useless and others MCs then I say that's when you can say it's the wrong way to play

[sly crest]

A lot of times I consider neutral to be "more focused on their own goals than on anything on the good/evil spectrum" or "more loyal to a faction than an alignment"

[barren panther]

have you checked out the rules yet? There's resources in #dnd-newcomers for that if you haven't

[gusty hamlet]

I m watching the dnd yt guide

[marble lion]

Absence of morality is evil
Is a very common stance on people

[blissful ibex]

it's utterly derranged XD, it just keeps going, and going

[sly crest]

ye

[marble lion]

Tolerating evil etc

[rough basalt]

That reddit is just deranged in general

A lot of its fake stories for clicks.

[marble lion]

Ofc that has a ton of nuance even if you did agree with it

[barren panther]

#dnd-philosophy-discussion

[marble lion]

But i have definitely seen some neutral characters that were horrible people

[rough basalt]

Like the most infamous DnD horror story imo was a story made by the problem players to depict their DM as a bad guy

[marble lion]

Maybe they picked the wrong alignment though

[inland steppe]

Rather, I think the implication is you do not tilt towards one direction than the other. You neither are interested in bringing harm to other people nor in advocating for other people and in good causes

[rough basalt]

It was called the "44 rules" and it was cause the DM was bullied into having a nervous breakdown by the group and they kept harrassing him to come back.

[blissful ibex]

fair, but that one especially is just the exact sort of thing I'd expect from that type of, DM; it's also way too specific, way too long, and way too cobbled together with just enough editing to be anything other then genuine

[rough basalt]

You'd be surprised.

[sly crest]

Just what I was going to say!

[stoic haven]

oh gods, I'm looking at it

[rough basalt]

The 44 rules was so specific and edited that it was clearly something wrong with it.
Then people investigated and found out the players were bullies bragging about destroying his books and stuff on reddit.

[barren panther]

I remember a moment a year or two ago when all the tubers were talking about it

[marble lion]

Right but it depends on how you run it
Do you walk past a man burning to death because you dont care? Evil
Do you run away and let him burn because youre not risking your own life? Neutral/good maybe even

[sly crest]

makes me want to make my own humorous set of rules.

[rough basalt]

Yeah that poor DM was a victim of some of the worst players imaginable

And some of the YTers actually read their comments and found out the truth

[blissful ibex]

like, a couple of them are actually somewhat sane takes or just lifted from other game systems, but some of them are just waaaaaaaaay out there

like cantrips becoming unavailable on a nat 1 is a shadowdark thing IIRC
and death saves only resetting on LR is a completely reasonable take for a more gritty/dark setting

[stoic haven]

druids cant heal is crazy

[marble lion]

Nature doesnt heal. It devours. It rebirths

[barren panther]

I'm curious why that came to be

[marble lion]

Druids should grow new life from old, not restore it

Its me. I made that post /j

[sly crest]

Nature isn't always nice

[blissful ibex]

also I kind of like the 'no free spells' on wizard level up shitck, so long as you give plenty of access to spell scrolls/books and perhaps reduce the money/time needed to scribe

[inland steppe]

Hmm I would say that true neutrally on the D&D alignment chart would require a high level of impartiality. You are not easily swayed by rhetoric and motives- such as destruction in the name of accumulated harm or promoting the general welfare. You don’t feel the need to give out charity though you have never thought of slighting someone in order to purposefully inflict harm on them. You care about the self and what you find to be most important rather than in institutions or pure passion. A true neutral character could find hardset morality and allegiences to be arbitrary and unimportant reasons to motivate oneself

[marble lion]

I agree with that yup

But if you then go and let a man burn to death in front of you cuz why care?
Thats not neutral to me

As long as youre part of a species that has feelings etc

[inland steppe]

Yes that’s probably a high level of a lack of empathy and a bit of callousness

[marble lion]

Or characters that go for money only

"Dont ask questions. Just get paid" is NOT neutral

Thats neutral evil imo
Because you are ignoring morals for own gain

[rough basalt]

That'd be just neutral evil

[marble lion]

But if you are a getpaid sort that does care when something immediate happens around them, thats neutral

Ren really did put it nicely up there

[rough basalt]

Ye like "I'll kill bandits and stuff but I'm not gonna kill a village of goblins cause they're goblins."

[marble lion]

Uh.... thats lawful good

[blissful ibex]

it's arguably lawful neutral up to a point

[marble lion]

Up to a point is emphasised for me

[rough basalt]

That's why alignment sucks imo

[marble lion]

Eh its fine

Its a rough draft and works fine like that

[inland steppe]

Yes, I’m playing a neutral evil character for an underdark campaign and his morality is based by the principle that self preservation and gain is the best way by which to live life. He cares not for inflicting evil simply to be evil, or that harm should be codified into certain rules to be justified- he simply wants to keep himself powerful and maimes, manipulates, and kills people to meet that end. Anything more chaotic or dogmatic than that is unnecessary

[marble lion]

In the end ill still ask for details on a chars morality

[rough basalt]

Our resident alignment debater isn't here but he'd probably say something like "but it'd be lawful good to slaughter that goblin village cause they're there illegally"

[barren panther]

OOF!?

[worldly flare]

Huh

[inland steppe]

I think it’s good for NPCs and fine as a baseline…. but it’s restrictive and too simplistic

[marble lion]

I just said that

Killing goblins is never wrong

Hold on gimme a minute
Ill go and grab the thingy
"/s"

[rough basalt]

It just can't account for complexity

[naive cedar]

Alignment debates suck too

[rough basalt]

Even in worlds like Dragonlance where it's Good Vs Evil it gets muddy

[marble lion]

Once its muddy the fun begins

[rough basalt]

Cause there's Gem Dragons that play both sides, the occasional Chromatic/Metallic that works on the good/evil side

And Bahamut doing a completely horrifically evil act in Dragonlance.
The fiendish forbidden style of role-playing
LARPing. /j

[inland steppe]

Alignment is only good in a sense that you understand how societies&races that are listed as ‘Neutral Evil’, or ‘Chaotic good’ intrinsically view the treatment of other people. For example, the drow codify their society into a hierarchy full of scheming and plotting for self serving purposes and slavery, therefore they are neutral evil. Eladrin share the Fey cultural traits of embracing the mystical and mercurial elements of their Feywild home post Arvandor, so they are chaotic neutral

[echo meteor]

druids get pretty awesome spells…

Wind Wall is an AWESOME level 3 spell

[inland steppe]

Basically, I only like to think of DND alignment as how each alignment (individual and society) should interact with its members and the world at large

[rough basalt]

I usually just ignore it

[blissful ibex]

Their early levels are stacked, but it peters off a bit later on :x

[rough basalt]

In my world I mostly ignore inherent natures

[inland steppe]

yeah humanoid species should be able to be whatever morality we can be in real life. Only they can belong to societies which value different things

[rough basalt]

There's an adult copper dragon for example who kidnaps people off the road to keep them around as people to talk to in the region that my Monday game players are in.

[stoic haven]

Conjure animals

But yea, kinda tapers off

[rough basalt]

And he makes a hobby of bullying a Green Dragon that resides in a swamp near his lair.

[fallen latch]

Thoughts on an adventure where one of the party members comes down with a terrible affliction after clearing a dungeon with some odd looking corpses inside that will cause them death, and there is legend of a cure but in order to procure it they must venture into the past, causing a time paradox in which the party members slowly realize that their struggle to save their friend is ultimately what kills them in the end so they must either doom themselves to a never ending cycle of pain and torment or allow for the party member to die an agonizingly slow rotting death

(No I dont claim this if this is not an original story or if its in a book it popped into my brain)

[echo meteor]

hmm 5th level spells are pretty awesome... like, if the wizard gets "Teleportation Circle" the party, minus the wizard can teleport to a town and go shopping/resupply at any time at the cost of 100gp per round trip

and most big cities have teleportation circles that are setup

[mighty wharf]

Ok. I did the banshee test again. I succeeded the saves on both the wail and the horrifying visage, I did no rerolls, my creature type is a construct so wail shouldn't even work. She failed on 6 attacks: shield was used for 2 (AC 24) and for 1 I used shield+lucky (she rolled kinda stupid). Other than the defensive measures, the only attacks I made were with Mindsliver (2d6). It was very close, I had 2 HP and she made that last attack on 1. I'm not a DM, but all assumptions I made (like +4 to hit being both added damage and an attack roll bonus) were in favor of the banshee.

Tank wizard is real.

[echo meteor]

in the middle of an adventure, if you want to go shopping, resupply, etc...the wizard can cast a teleportation circle for the party... and then the party can just notify the wizard to open a portal for them to come back with a sending stone

[marble lion]

I prefer dnd games with the option of winning

I also prefer dnd games that arent about 1 person

If you alter those 2 points i love it

Whole party sick
And
They can fix it somehow

[mighty wharf]

That sounds miserable.

[echo meteor]

ehh i think its fine... just sounds like ALOT of work

[blissful ibex]

Or just have said Wizar'ds familiar on you so they can tap into its senses periodically

[echo meteor]

Pretty sure the max communication range for familiar is like 300ft

[marble lion]

Its a lot of effort yes

[blissful ibex]

comm range is like 100 but the sensory tap is seperate from that poriton

https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2618877-find-familiar

[echo meteor]

Telepathic Connection. While your familiar is within 100 feet of you, you can communicate with it telepathically. Additionally, as a Bonus Action, you can see through the familiar’s eyes and hear what it hears until the start of your next turn, gaining the benefits of any special senses it has.

[blissful ibex]

Telepathic Connection. While your familiar is within 100 feet of you, you can communicate with it telepathically. Additionally, as a Bonus Action, you can see through the familiar’s eyes and hear what it hears until the start of your next turn, gaining the benefits of any special senses it has.
emphasis mine

[echo meteor]

oh its SEPERATE

i thought they were connected

thats soo weird

you cant communicate with it. but you can see through its senses

[blissful ibex]

it's incredibly niche and you can't communicate with it but you can stil lsee through it at least

[echo meteor]

i think sending stone is still better because otherwise, your wizard would need to either sit there watching the familiar the entire trip... unable to give commands

vs you just get a sending message to "open a town portal"

[blissful ibex]

also lets you use flying familiars to scout, you just instruct it to make a big circle and return while passively scanning the ground below or something

[echo meteor]

true

[blissful ibex]

gets you a general idea of things at least

[blissful ibex]

I mean, they just have to check in like every fifteen minutes or something

[echo meteor]

lol sounds like a pain but doable 😛

[blissful ibex]

workable for games where it's hard to find magic items

I try to plan on not having them and then being plesantly surprised when I do

some DMs/modules can be a bit stingy at times

[echo meteor]

ehh i think as long as they have the gold, and have access to a major city where can aquire it, its fine

[bronze wave]

man dnd scheduling will kill me, went from 3 sessions in a week to none wonderful

[echo meteor]

bro... preparing for a D&D session is a PAIN unleess you ran the campaign before

and already know all the parts by heart

[bronze wave]

i have, running one rn

[mighty wharf]

So my DM said I could have 3 spell scrolls since we started the campaign at level 5... I'm a Wizard... should I copy one of a higher level into my spellbook if I have the slots for it? I feel like it'd be kinda mean...

[blissful ibex]

grab phantom steed and leomunds tiny hut <3

[echo meteor]

no, the spell scrolls are "free spells"

[mighty wharf]

I was thinking "feign death"

[blissful ibex]

two of the best ritual spells in the game

[echo meteor]

what level spell scrolsl are they?

[mighty wharf]

He didn't say... I should probably assume up to the level I can cast. Which I could cast a level 3 spell, I just don't know any

[blissful ibex]

otherwise, you generally want a stock of niche utility spells of the sort that don't come up enough to warrant preparing, but that you really need access to

[echo meteor]

featherfall spell scrolls are GREAT

[mighty wharf]

Don't you need to make an ability check then since they're not spells known?

[echo meteor]

if its ANY spell scroll just get 3 WISH spell scroll

😛

you can cast it as long as you make the 16 intelligence dc i think

[blissful ibex]

they're still on the wizard spell list, no? That's all the scrolls care about, otherwise you stright up can't even read them

[mighty wharf]

I don't want to derail the campaign lol

[mighty wharf]

Is that what that means?

[echo meteor]

3 WISH spells, it can cast ANY spells under level 9

[mighty wharf]

Let me read the scroll again.

[blissful ibex]

need to roll arcana for that though

[echo meteor]

its still worthit

[blissful ibex]

also 100% not what the DM meant and will be denied by them XD

[echo meteor]

we dont know that -_- 😛

[blissful ibex]

stuff like Warding Wind, Remove Curse, etc.

[echo meteor]

huh... if a wizard has expertise in arcana

then they can ideally use level 9 spellscroll with ease

[mighty wharf]

I have +7 to arcana

[echo meteor]

Level 2: Scholar
While studying magic, you also specialized in another field of study. Choose one of the following skills in which you have proficiency: Arcana, History, Investigation, Medicine, Nature, or Religion. You have Expertise in the chosen skill.

you just start with expertise in arcana from level 2 XD

[mighty wharf]

Uh what

[echo meteor]

so if you can, you can just get 3 wish scrolls XD

though im pretty sure thats not what he meant by "3 scrolls"

but he didnt really specify 😛

[mighty wharf]

I could learn a level 3 spell with 60% chance of success

[echo meteor]

Scrolls. You can use any Spell Scroll, using Intelligence as your spellcasting ability for the spell. If the spell is a cantrip or a level 1 spell, you can cast it reliably. If the scroll contains a higher-level spell, you must first succeed on an Intelligence (Arcana) check (DC 10 plus the spell’s level). On a successful check, you cast the spell from the scroll. On a failed check, the scroll disintegrates.

[echo meteor]

i mean.. if you NEED to pick up level 3 scrolls u might want to just pick up dispel magic

[blissful ibex]

Grab 1 Dispel Magic, 1 Remove Curse, and maybe 1 Warding Wind if the levels are capped at 3

[mighty wharf]

But that's boring...

[echo meteor]

wat u mean?

you can cast cool spells with your slots

[mighty wharf]

Dispel Magic is just such a commonly taken spell.

[echo meteor]

its not.. i rarely prepare it unless i have a scroll

[mighty wharf]

I can pick it up later

[blissful ibex]

that's why you put it on a scroll
frees up the preperation for fun things

[fast latch]

You’re a Wizard that can copy scrolls into your Spellbook, so this is an important choice

[echo meteor]

I ALWAYS prepare Sleet Storm for a level 3 spell

[unborn geyser]

How the hell does everyone find games

[echo meteor]

trust me, Sleet Storm is like the BEST level 3 spell

followed by fireball i guess

[unborn geyser]

I just found one and the dm turned out to be a sex weirdo

[fast latch]

Ask your DM if you can have scrolls above 3rd level

[mighty wharf]

Yeah I'm gonna be picking up sleet storm.

[mighty wharf]

3rd level is already pushing it I think, and I don't think he's expecting me to copy them into my spellbook

[echo meteor]

you dont WANT to though, just having a level 3 dispel magic scroll just in case you need it is good enough

[unborn geyser]

How the hell am I so consistently rejected from DnD

[mighty wharf]

I kinda want to pull a prank on him. He's super vague all the time and doesn't really answer my questions with specificity.

[fast latch]

He’s not expecting a Wizard to copy scrolls, when that’s like the main thing they’re known for besides being busted?

[echo meteor]

I think you are at a stage where you need to pick up the DM mantle and host games yourself

[unborn geyser]

I don’t have the patience or focus to do that

[echo meteor]

you can copy spells from the second wizard

[mighty wharf]

He doesn't really think about things too much I don't think.

[echo meteor]

lol you can have two wizards that share spells with eachother 😛

[fast latch]

Teaching him a lesson about how Wizards can copy spells would be fun And useful

[echo meteor]

well, he was vague about spell scrolls.. so just grab 3 wish spells

and make sure you have expertise in arcana by level 2

that'll show him.. 100%

[hoary totem]

Life cleric isn't a full healer. Your healing becomes so good you barely need to dedicate any resources to it

[fast latch]

That’s going too far

Just taking and copying the scrolls should be good enough

[mighty wharf]

That's taking it too far, and I wouldn't succeed on those anyways.

[echo meteor]

you get +7 in arcana... cause expertise, it shiouldnt be difficult

[echo meteor]

u usually dont want to copy scrolls though.. they are "free slots"

for spells that you normally dont want to prepare,

[fast latch]

It’s better to use this opportunity for learning some new spells

[loud tendon]

if you don't have a lot of rituals in your spellbook yet, getting 3 spellscrolls with rituals you can copy into your book means you learn 3 useful rituals forever. 🙂

[echo meteor]

it’s always fun to have multiple wizards in the party to copy spells from as well

xD

[blissful ibex]

Wizard book club do be a fun setup XD

[mighty wharf]

Tbf he did surprise charm me when my teammate monk triggered a trap I was like 60ft away from

[empty thicket]

weekly group of wizards that have reunions, talk about spells and do nerd things like comparing, sharing and all that their spells like they were some kind of pokemon cards or stuff like that

[blissful ibex]

was it like a ray or what that it tags you from 60 feet awat

[fast latch]

What Jayn said

[echo meteor]

i think ive only ever really played wizards in d&d. i find martial classes a bit boring 😭

[mighty wharf]

I think it was just part of the encounter.

[echo meteor]

and wizards have the best selection of spells

[hoary totem]

idk the fantasy of "be really smart" always appealed to me more than "be really strong"

[echo meteor]

you also have more options in combat

my favorite level 2 spells are “vortex warp” and “misty step”

[hoary totem]

I personally love synaptic static

[scenic zinc]

Wizards have the smallest mechanical kit outside combat, which makes them the least interesting class for me.

[hoary totem]

Not a lvl2 but still, brain blast

[hoary totem]

Charm effects:
Illusions:

[mighty wharf]

Is it problematic that I love suggestion?

[echo meteor]

what do you mean!?!
charm person, knock, disguise self?

[scenic zinc]

Boring.

[tiny karma]

hi

[scenic zinc]

And that's the same mechanical kit. Spells.

[echo meteor]

find familiar, knock, identify?

[echo meteor]

yes, spells are the point of wizards

[scenic zinc]

No matter how many spells, that's the same thing you're listing.

[hoary totem]

play a bladesinger bruh

[echo meteor]

no matter your problem, you have a spell that can solve it

[hoary totem]

out of spells but not out of swords

[scenic zinc]

Which is boring to me.

[blissful ibex]

you're basically saying you don't like wizard then; switch to another class

[echo meteor]

who needs high charisma if you have charm person? 🤣

[blissful ibex]

try a bard or a cleric or something

[scenic zinc]

I literally already said that they're the least interesting to me.

[echo meteor]

im jking 😛

[blissful ibex]

then play something else?

[scenic zinc]

Which is a valid opinion to have. Didn't realize I had to be on the 'i love wizards' train.

[fast latch]

I thought Fighter had the least out of combat things

[scenic zinc]

In '14 this is true.

[atomic kayak]

Wizard is indeed boring

[echo meteor]

i find wizards to have most options across all facets of play idk what to say

[atomic kayak]

Still never actually played a 5e wizard because of it. Literally anything else is so much more interesting

[fast latch]

What did Fighter get in ‘24 to make it good out of combat?

[echo meteor]

how though?

[atomic kayak]

Its just spells. Thats boring.

Most of the subclasses are just as boring.

[echo meteor]

spells that do rainbow of different things

[scenic zinc]

The biggest thing are the changes to second wind.

[echo meteor]

they don’t all have the same effect

[hoary totem]

and the most spells in the game

[echo meteor]

yooo!!

[atomic kayak]

and?

[hoary totem]

scribe wiz and thief rogue is an amazing combo

[hoary totem]

scribe crafts scrolls, thief uses them in combat

[atomic kayak]

Its still boring.

I can play any other caster and have rainbows of spells and still be more interesting as a class

[scenic zinc]

Gimme skill proficiencies or other bespoke actions I can do.

[echo meteor]

they don’t have as many spells as wizards, wtf u mean?

[atomic kayak]

Thematically and mechanically mind you

[scenic zinc]

Spells? Meh.

[hoary totem]

idk i'm a nerd and if i can't be a nerd in my rpg what's the point of the rpg

[scenic zinc]

So many classes have spells and other things.

[fast latch]

Like Bard

[mighty wharf]

I guess I did say "scribed" scrolls when I asked my DM for spell scrolls... my original intent was to use them as free spell slots and a way to get around the "1 spell per turn" clause from 2024 ruling but we're not going by that.

[atomic kayak]

The meaningful difference is negligible.

Especially when so many people who rate wizard so high ignore all of the actually more interesting spells wizard gets

[scenic zinc]

Wizards just have spells.

[hoary totem]

Bladesingers:

[scenic zinc]

Again, out of combat.

[mighty wharf]

So I think it has to be spells I'd reasonably scribe myself.

[fast latch]

Honestly good point

[atomic kayak]

Bladesinger is more interesting.

When you actually play it as a bladesinger.

[echo meteor]

they have more spells and the things you can do with the spells are more varied

[atomic kayak]

Which is to say: Melee with weapons

[empty thicket]

yep, the biggest variety in fact

[hoary totem]

Literally the 234914679142691214 rituals wizards get:

[atomic kayak]

The actual functional difference they get with spell options is not meaningfully different than basically every other full caster

[echo meteor]

what?? you melee with blade singer!?! i just sit back and shoot the enemy with my crossbow

[atomic kayak]

Not helping your case

[echo meteor]

then for my cantrip/multiattack, firebolt

[scenic zinc]

Cool - now I hope you get to learn them.

Just because you get a bigger possible list you can theoretically access doesn't mean you'll actually get to use them.

Be realistic and don't white room.

[atomic kayak]

^^

[echo meteor]

why can’t you use your spells?

[atomic kayak]

Everyone who ranks wizard so highly always say "wizards get so many spells" and then only ever talk about the same 10 spells every time

[hoary totem]

it's called bladesinger bruh not crossbowsinger

[echo meteor]

you don’t need to be in melee range though.. u can shoot with crossbow

and use multi attack

[hoary totem]

yes but I don't like limiting myself, if i want swords i use swords and if i want to use crossbows i use crossbows. how else can I use that chonky AC?

[scenic zinc]

Just because it's on your spell list doesn't mean you actually:

A) ever learned it
B) prepared it
C) have the appropriate resources (time or materials)

[atomic kayak]

Thats boring to do on the subclass that is designed to be played as a melee sword user

[echo meteor]

you can use bonus action blade song at any time

[atomic kayak]

You are pretty much spelling out all the reasons wizard is boring

[hoary totem]

not every class is for everyone which doesn't mean it's bad but doesn't mean you HAVE to like every class either!!

[scenic zinc]

And again, I did very specifically start my commentary by specifying "out of combat". So I don't know why combat keeps coming up.

[empty thicket]

i like to think Wizard is the "Fighter" of the caster classes

[urban nebula]

Feed me the names of popular dark-wizards, necromancers, death gods, etc from games, media, movies, comics, etc.

I need a few aliases for a villain

[hoary totem]

charms:
illusions:
rituals:

[fast latch]

I like Wizard even if it just does casting

[atomic kayak]

It is funny though, because regardless of combat or not, wizard is still just as boring

[scenic zinc]

#dnd-discussion message

[mighty wharf]

Casting spells is fun

[echo meteor]

idk? they have really good battlefield control…

they can teleport the barbarian on top of the monster backline with vortex warp

and teleport out of any situation by using dimensional door or misty step

[hoary totem]

Rituals don't need to be prepped to be casted

[mighty wharf]

Shadow Wizard Money Gang, we love casting spells

[atomic kayak]

Note that whether or not it is "good" is irrelevant. Its boring. Both thematically and mechanically.

[fast latch]

Acerak
Vecna
Skeletor
Dr. Doom

[mighty wharf]

Magic is fun.

[brittle beacon]

Wizard and cleric are my least favorite classes

[hoary totem]

^^

[atomic kayak]

If your argument for "its not boring because its good" it doesn't mean anything to me

[echo meteor]

they can cut the battlefield in half with wall of fire

[scenic zinc]

I mean, I like playing wizard as a support caster in combat. That's where I think they're most interesting.

[hoary totem]

Username checks out

[mighty wharf]

That's what I'm doing!

I web on my enemies

[echo meteor]

same!
vortex warp is king

[echo meteor]

have u tried vortex warp??

2nd slot it does soo much

[mighty wharf]

So my party really loves to be aggressive...

[hoary totem]

I like how spells can be reflavoured easily while using the same effects. I'm going to reflavour web as a timeslow field

[hoary totem]

Valid (fireballs!!)

[echo meteor]

then you throw your party on top of monsters xD

[mighty wharf]

I think taking them out of combat with a readied vortex warp would annoy them.

[echo meteor]

no, you toss them INTO combat

[scenic zinc]

Maybe once, as a joke.

[mighty wharf]

Yeah but they need to learn to use their movement too

[urban nebula]

@fast latch Skeletor could actually be fun. Ty

My current list is:
Mannimarco
Vecna
Quan-chi
Shinnok
Molag-bal
Miraak

And now... maybe even skeletor... im conaider8ng using Voldemort... but idk

Anyone know a good name to add to this from darksouls or elden ring, obe of ny players is a big fan

Gravelord Nito is awful though. Nito (sounds like neato) just doesn't have the right sounds to it

[echo meteor]

they can’t run 90ft, you can teleport them 90ft onto big baddies faces

[mighty wharf]

That's upcasting to 5th level isn't it? I'm level 5

[echo meteor]

no, that’s the base spell

[scenic zinc]

I agree so very much.

Which is why the wizard class is one of the least interesting for me to play regardless of how mechanically powerful it can be.

[echo meteor]

2nd-level Conjuration

Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 90 feet
Components: V, S
Duration: Instantaneous

You magically twist space around another creature you can see within range. The target must succeed on a Constitution saving throw (the target can choose to fail), or the target is teleported to an unoccupied space of your choice that you can see within range. The chosen space must be on a surface or in a liquid that can support the target without the target having to squeeze.

At Higher Levels. When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 3rd level or higher, the range of the spell increases by 30 feet for each slot level above 2nd.

[empty thicket]

Skeletor ( he man show)
The ancestor (Darkest dungeon)
Horus (wh40k chaos primarc)
Nurgle, Khorne, Slanesh and Tzeentch (WH40k chaos gods)
The thing from the stars (Darkest dungeon most gruesome and a hard enemy)
Grogoroth (god from Fear & hunger)
Akhlan (protagonist from Grimme, he is the villain of the story)

[echo meteor]

its literally the best level 2 spell u can grab

[mighty wharf]

Oh my god it is

[echo meteor]

alongside misty step

[urban nebula]

One of my players is big 40k fan. These are great options. Thank you

[scenic zinc]

Please read what you just posted here: #dnd-discussion message

'Unoccupied space'.

You can't drop your friends onto the enemy.

[atomic kayak]

My thought is basically always "why be a wizard when I could be a sorcerer, get all the same relevant spells, and be more interesting everywhere else"

[empty thicket]

hope you all have fun, if not, i can find more in my mental bag

[echo meteor]

so 5 ft next to them

[echo meteor]

they dont?

[fast latch]

Why be a Wizard when you could be a Druid, get healing spells, and be able to TRANSFORM INTO MONKE

[hoary totem]

ritual spell list:

Sorcs lack plenty of the out of combat stuff that wizards get

[urban nebula]

@empty thicket of the 40k gods, which is the most necromancer or deathy.

I know nurgle is more like disease and rot if I remember correctly

[empty thicket]

Welp, in theory a wizard upgrade a kind of spells and i know its a many times said thing, it have variety and lots of spellslots.
While wizard is variety, sorcerer would be adaptability of the spells for the situations.

[scenic zinc]

A sorcerer is a wizard with pizzazz.

[echo meteor]

who needs to HEAL when you have health potions 😛

[hoary totem]

And a lacking spell list.

[atomic kayak]

they do lol

[agile osprey]

I have a question about the Goose Mother Hydra, the Lullaby of Honks puts enemies in a magical slumber. Does this mean this is a magical attack?

[atomic kayak]

notably, does not matter to what I sad

[echo meteor]

sorcerer's spell list is MUCH smaller

[hoary totem]

A life cleric isn't a dedicated healer, they're just so good at healing that they barely need to dedicate anything to healing.

[scenic zinc]

They have a much more varied bag of mechanics that are interesting and have utility both in and out of combat.

[stoic haven]

Character just died 2 sessions after his debut

[empty thicket]

The closest to that is nurgle, he literally infect bodies with diseases and you are a half dead//alive warrior.
but in general all of them use alive things.
Khorne is the War and blood good so if you want to settle a chaotic chapter its your best option

[scenic zinc]

You aren't going to be getting every wizard spell.

[mighty wharf]

Can enemies make an opportunity attack if a PC warps away?

[atomic kayak]

see the phrase "relevant spells"

Combined with my previous statement of

Everyone who ranks wizard so highly always say "wizards get so many spells" and then only ever talk about the same 10 spells every time

Which is even more boring

[fast latch]

And Sorcerers only learn like 15 spells as opposed to Wizard’s almost all of them

[echo meteor]

nope

[stoic haven]

Level 11 '14 astral monk

[atomic kayak]

"almost all of them"

sure, if the DM feeds you infinite spells

[scenic zinc]

Acting like wizards have so many more spells is pretending like you'll actually be able to learn them all.

[echo meteor]

you can even ready the vortex warp spell so that you teleport them RIGHT BEFORE THEIR TURN STARTS

[empty thicket]

yeah, because sorc must adapt the spells that he have instead of finding one that fit the situations

[urban nebula]

@empty thicket thank you for the help

[stoic haven]

Time to roll a new character, what should it be this time

[empty thicket]

be free to ask buddy, i enjoy helping all i can

[scenic zinc]

Again, don't white room.

[echo meteor]

wtf is a white room?

[fast latch]

But Cleric has the second best Spell List

Healing Word, Spiritual Weapon, Spirit Guardians, all the resurrection spells except Reincarnate

[empty thicket]

options?

[echo meteor]

well wat level r u talking about? techinically, wizards gets access to every spell below 9th level through wish 😛

[blissful ibex]

they lose out on a ton of utility spells though

[fast latch]

What roles does your party lack?

[agile osprey]

I have a question about the Goose Mother Hydra, the Lullaby of Honks puts enemies in a magical slumber. Does this mean this is a magical attack?

[stoic haven]

We have a cleric, a barbarian, a Wizard, and a Bard

Everyone else is fine still

[atomic kayak]

Not an attack no

[hoary totem]

ignoring the circumstances, just looking at the stuff in a vacuum. which we aren't, beause you're going to be able to get at least some of the spells. and if your dm is good they'll give you chances to copy spells

[empty thicket]

Pretty supported team, a DPS like Fighter, Ranger or some special key damage like rogue would be good

[scenic zinc]

It's a reference to a perfectly controlled environment.

[echo meteor]

truee.. and you can also have multipe wizards that share spells

[fast latch]

Then if Wizard has the best spell list, what class has the second best?

[scenic zinc]

Cleric.

[atomic kayak]

You somewhat objectively are looking at it in terms of a perfectly controlled environment. Because yall have repeatedly brought up them getting "all the spells"

[echo meteor]

dunno, thats up for debate

[stoic haven]

Our totem pole barbarian and bard dipped out of combat immediately, so I had to be frontline

[urban nebula]

@stoic haven be a pirate

[scenic zinc]

Especially because they don't need to "learn" their spells.

[blissful ibex]

depends on the context; the 'best' spell list in a combat heavy game looks entirely different from one that's mainly Social Pillar or Exploration

[stoic haven]

Thats what my monk was TvT

[urban nebula]

Oh no

[stoic haven]

My Monk was a sea captain

[echo meteor]

theres alot of social spells a wizard can learn too:P

[blissful ibex]

yes, but the question was non-wizard

[fast latch]

You have everything covered, so you can play whatever you want

[empty thicket]

Cleric get access to really good spells, not only defensive but offensive and utility
Guiding bolt is like in my top 5 best lvl 1 spells
Prayer of healing is a situational key spell that in some situations can give a refresh to the party really good
etc. etc.

[urban nebula]

What about a chef?
Chefs are fun and provide a ton of roleplay openings

[scenic zinc]

Primarily useful when you decide to ignore spellcasting components though.

[echo meteor]

what u mean?

[hoary totem]

they've ignored charms, illusions, rituals like twice already...

[blissful ibex]

probably bard because they can take wizard/cleric/druid spells and have a halfway decent kit themselves

[atomic kayak]

Spell components make casting spells during social situations bad or impossible very very often

[scenic zinc]

Because a lot of social improvement spells are going to be seen cast - which means the people around you saw a spell cast. They might even know the spell that you cast.

[echo meteor]

casting "charm person" during a social situation is bad?

[scenic zinc]

This, in a nutshell.

[mighty wharf]

Yes

[atomic kayak]

ye old "I'm going to start casting [insert spell here] (often Guidance) in the middle of a conversation and expect zero consequences to randomly starting to cast a spell in front of people"

[echo meteor]

y?

[fast latch]

Oh yeah, Bard has Magical Secrets

[urban nebula]

@echo meteor Yeah usually

[empty thicket]

if failed the other person can notice it and be angry at you for trying such thing

[atomic kayak]

lol

Once had players try to cast charm person during a negotiation with bandits

[mighty wharf]

They'll know you casted it. That means there will be consequences.

[atomic kayak]

was a great way to immediately start combat! (which nobody wanted to do)

[fast latch]

It has Verbal and Somatic Components, so people will Definitely Notice

[blissful ibex]

which is why you cast it from 100' back through your familiar who is sitting on the party face's shoulder

[hoary totem]

Guidance lasts 1 minute and applies to the next check. You can cast it before talking

[urban nebula]

They know they were charmed when the spell ends and they can see you casting a spell.

Most people wont take kindly to having spells cast on them against their will, esspecially ones that manipulate them

[echo meteor]

you can do it when your in an enemy keep trying to negotiate a prisoner..
or you can use "Alter Self" 😛

[echo meteor]

alter self or disguise self

[scenic zinc]

Sure.

Hope that you get to actually talk before 1 minute elapses.

[urban nebula]

@echo meteor They will still see you casting the charm spell

[empty thicket]

still, the fail would mean problems. but yeah, can you can

[atomic kayak]

A) talking about the 2014 version, which people always tried to do retroactively
B) you don't know how long the conversation is going to take, which is very often longer than 1 minute

[urban nebula]

And hear you for that matter

[fast latch]

This is why Subtle Spell Charm Person is good

[echo meteor]

eyyy, if you succed, it wont matter 😛
they are charmed and is your friend now 😛

[scenic zinc]

And in '24, you need to choose the skill you're casting it for. Hope the dm doesn't ask for a flat ability check that doesn't include a skill.

Friendly. Not friend.

[echo meteor]

no its literally friend

[atomic kayak]

And this is where a lot of another white room nightmare comes in

the "my character would know how to use their abilities effectively (a statement that is far from the inherent truth)" and then claiming to do something that is not only unrealistic behavior but also behavior with zero versimilitude

[urban nebula]

subtle spell is really the only avenue for success here.

Rulebook says V components are (in so many words) said loud and proud. So others will know you've casted a spell on someone

[potent mountain]

Guys i might get into a campaign!!!!!!!

[fast latch]

Unless it’s specifically Fast Friends, that makes them think you’re a genuine friend

[mighty wharf]

I think the problem with learned spellcasters is that you need utility and combat spells and you have a limited amount of spells known to take for them.

[atomic kayak]

Neither version of Charm Person makes them your friend, it makes them friendly.

[potent mountain]

Nevermind 😔

[empty thicket]

being a fighter and scream "fireball" pointing out to the enemies to scare them is funny

[fast latch]

Congratulations! You thinking of a character?

[atomic kayak]

And as always: Charmed is not mind control

[fast latch]

Awwww that sucks

[echo meteor]

oh, they changed the wording from "Friend" to "Friendly"

[potent mountain]

Well.... good news I want to play a bard... I know that much

[echo meteor]

in 2024. rip, its not as strong

[atomic kayak]

No, the 2014 version was also friendly

[fast latch]

With the exception of Dominate Person/Monster

[echo meteor]

in 2014, Charm Person would make them into your friend 😭

[urban nebula]

@potent mountain pirate bard who plays a hurdy-gurdy and drinks a ton of grog?

[fast latch]

Cool, I love Bards

What subclass?

[atomic kayak]

As said, no, it did not.

"regards you as a friendly acquaintance"

[echo meteor]

so a friend

[potent mountain]

College of lore i say

[scenic zinc]

It said 'friendly acquaintance'

[echo meteor]

isnt that a friend?

[atomic kayak]

friendly is a social attitude in both 2014 and 2024

[scenic zinc]

No.

[urban nebula]

Oof

[fast latch]

I have an NPC that’s a Lore Bard

[scenic zinc]

Think of a friendly co-worker.

[potent mountain]

I was thinking a haunted one bard who was a survivor of a vampire attack that killed all his friends
-# No this isnt Sammie from Sinners, what are you talking about??? Totally not Sammie from sinners

[mighty wharf]

That's a good way to do exposition

[hoary totem]

Why are we arguing about if wizards are boring? They are for some players and aren't for others, that doesn't make it bad

[atomic kayak]

Also notably. Just because it makes them a friendly aquaintance to the caster does not mean their attitude towards the rest of the party changes at all

[fast latch]

Like someone you say hi to regularly and would high five, but not feel comfortable hugging

[echo meteor]

do you hug your friends?

[fast latch]

I wish

All of them are online

[potent mountain]

One must imagine sisyphus happy

[atomic kayak]

Friendly/Indifferent/Hostile is not something new in 2024, its from 2014

[empty thicket]

true, lets not forget that there is like 12 or 13 classes with each one a subclass
There is options and if you dont like one, move on and use another

[mighty wharf]

I'm just curious as to what happens when the party falls from somewhere and none of them have feather fall. Just instant death for all of them? lol

[scenic zinc]

I said they're not interesting for me.

I think a few people took that to mean I think they're not allowed to enjoy them... which isn't what I said at all.

[mighty wharf]

Goes to show DnD is not just roleplay but a game as well.

[empty thicket]

and add races, feats, etc. etc. There is a good variety.
Each thing is good, one more than another but all work

[potent mountain]

"The struggle itself towards finding a campaign is enough to fill a man's weekend schedule. One must imagine DND Sisyphus happy."

[atomic kayak]

depends on a lot of things. How high namely

[mighty wharf]

High enough to kill

[atomic kayak]

Its not unreasonable for characters to survive a high fall, especially at higher levels. Doubly so if the damage rolled is low (especially since there is a cap to the damage)

[scenic zinc]

Bludgeoning damage, usually.

[atomic kayak]

thats nebulous even in the most neutral scenario

[inland steppe]

If all players get knocked down to 0 hit points then the DM would probably do some sort of roleplay intervention

[empty thicket]

They fell on some water? they can make a dext save to soft the fall? they react and use either another spell or way to evade the death?
If its full health then its a long fall, there is spikes in the ground?
Etc. etc. etc.

[hoary totem]

See if they have any replacements. Maybe someone has web or another spell that could work?

[scenic zinc]

RAW that's 20d6 maximum, which is very survivable.

[atomic kayak]

hence why it depends on how high and the damage rolled bare minimum

[empty thicket]

They manage to grab the barbarian zealot to soft the fall and 3/4 survive while the barb die and get resurrected

[mighty wharf]

Oh ok

[lime drum]

any d&d style games on Android

[hoary totem]

It depends. Is there a safe place nearby where they could rest off the damage? Is there a cleric, paladin, divine sorc, celestial warlock, etc in the party to heal them?

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, like much of the stuff in the 2014 DMG, it was just woefully disorganized. Such that people forget it even existed cuz it was a rule buried among a bunch of other obscure rules in a weird corner of the book.

[scenic zinc]

-# potions exist and people should use them

[vivid owl]

Im actually done for, my DM convinced the entire party on a plot point and im the only one that actually figured it out and now the entire party is convinced im crazy OOC and IC

[echo meteor]

TRUE! people uptalk "healing" that clerics have SOO MUCH but then you can just "buy" healing potions

[empty thicket]

a Paladin//cleric can use if its given the chance healing prayer and give a good help to the whole team

[mighty wharf]

Does everyone have the disengage action by default?

[uncut zenith]

Yes

[scenic zinc]

Healing spells are better in '24. I'd argue that wasn't necessary. People just needed to include ways to get potions easier.

[blissful ibex]

It's almost always better to just focus on damage and heal after the fight anyway; in combat heals are for emergencies or healing word to get a downed player up

[echo meteor]

Be a goblin wizard! You can disengage as bonus action

[empty thicket]

yes, some classes can use it in some way "free"
Like rogue and Monk

[crystal nest]

Booyagh for goblins!

[atomic kayak]

side symptom of "people hand out approximately 5 magic items by the time the party reaches level 5 and think thats a normal and expected amount"

[scenic zinc]

That's not free. That's as a bonus action. It still utilizes action economy.

[empty thicket]

And fighter or barbarian dont
Barbarian dont disengage for free, he must charge forward without worrying about anything, only if there is enough blood pumping in its heart to fuel his anger until reaching the enemy
And
Fighter dont disengage, he must stand his ground and fight. No one must cross his range without being obliterated or dominated by it.

[mighty wharf]

I don't think that'll be necessary. I have 19AC and shield at level 5.

[hoary totem]

It depends on the party and the DM. If your party has someone who can easily heal, you don't need as many potions. If you don't, the DM should give the partt more chances to buy potions

[empty thicket]

That is why i place " in "FREE", isnt a whole action.

[scenic zinc]

Or make them.

[scenic zinc]

'Free' implies no use of action economy though.

[echo meteor]

19 AC isn't much. alot of monsters have +11 attack
you can also Booming Blade, Disengae, and have them try to approach you and take damage while doing so

OR you can cast invisibility AND take the hide action on the SAME TURN

[empty thicket]

Okey buddy, we got it.

[hoary totem]

Cast minor illusion and make fake cover

[atomic kayak]

19AC is quite a lot of AC

Its a very solid amount to have, especially for the average character

[scenic zinc]

Huh.

A lot?

Where'd you get that from?

[empty thicket]

For common fights, yes
For boss fights not so much

[echo meteor]

idk.. alot of monsters get +11 attack though

[atomic kayak]

Outside of heavy armor + shield users, 19 permanent AC is higher than most characters will ever get

[scenic zinc]

A vast majority don't.

[fast latch]

That’d be +5 Str plus a +6 Prof Bonus

[mighty wharf]

I can get up to 24

[fast latch]

That’s pretty rare

[atomic kayak]

yes, but also no. And also not really how monster usage works.

You can be at level 10 and facing CR 2 monsters or CR 17 monsters. There are massive gaps with their bonuses.

[fast latch]

Are you a Bladesinger?

[mighty wharf]

No, ArtiChron

[inland steppe]

19 AC is high for a level 5 character

[scenic zinc]

And if you're fighting the monsters that have that high of a to-hit bonus, you should be more concerned about your saving throws than your ac

Because at that point you're in tier 3

[echo meteor]

also high AC doens't make you invincible 😭
alot of spells make you roll dex saves or wisdom saves

[fast latch]

I’ve always wanted to play a Goblin Bladesinger who got his knowledge by stealing an Elf’s Spellbook with a guide to Bladesinging inside

[echo meteor]

Toll the Dead hurts 😭

[mighty wharf]

Yeah I got charmed in the first session 💀

[echo meteor]

you dont want to dump your wisdom

getting charmed SUCKS

[mental sundial]

I love dnd

[mighty wharf]

I have a wisdom of 10, with a saving throw of +3

[fast latch]

Cool

You only have one level in Artificer or are you planning to get a subclass?

[mental sundial]

What are you

[mighty wharf]

One level in artificer

[mental sundial]

Im a barbarian

Im a 20 level barbarian

[echo meteor]

a bladesinger wizard is STILL squishy af... especially from stuff that requires saving throws...

i just sit back and shoot crossbow + firebolt multi-attack

and ONLY use bladesong defensively 😛

just play it like a slightly tankier wizard

[empty thicket]

yeah, if not they can get grappled, charmed, etc. etc.

[echo meteor]

that has some extra martial capabiliites

[mental sundial]

Yay dnd

[fast latch]

Wizards are Proficient in Wis saves, they’re kind of hard to Charm

[mighty wharf]

I asked my DM if I could change Warcaster to Lucky. I can use lucky rolls for concentration saves. We're primarily going by 2014 rules, with some exceptions.

[mental sundial]

I have a dm

[echo meteor]

r u a human? O.o

[mighty wharf]

Warforged is a construct.

That's one of the exceptions we're using.

[echo meteor]

i usually go Fae Touched 😛

[sleek cloud]

Starting artificer for con saves and then wizard the rest eh

[echo meteor]

1 FREE misty step AND Command

[mental sundial]

Nat. 20

[mighty wharf]

For the extra HP and access to scale mail as well. Not to mention you get free spell slots essentially at the cost of 1 level slower wizard progression.

[echo meteor]

I usually grab "Command or Silvery Barbs" for fae touched

[small heath]

Ah yes

[mental sundial]

what

[small heath]

We love Silvery Barbs

[hoary totem]

is fey touched or telekinetic better and when should i take res con

when should i take alert

[loud tendon]

please don't spam/post nonsense

[echo meteor]

with fae touched, you can get 18 intelligence at level 4... AND a free "Silvery Barbs/Command" AND "Misty Step"

[sleek cloud]

what class shiny

[echo meteor]

and if you havnet played baldur's gate 3...
you can Command Drop and make the enemy drop their weapons

which is devastating against any enemy that uses weapons 😛

[small heath]

tmw when I want Commander Zelor's or whatever his name is sword in the first 3 minutes of the game

[hoary totem]

chron wiz

[fast latch]

Fey Touched gives you a teleport

[hoary totem]

tbh both fey touched and telekinetic give an asi

[echo meteor]

it gives u alot

[inland steppe]

Yes but it’s other features are generally more useful- though you can do what you want

[echo meteor]

"FREE" misty step is nice... ESPECIALLY being able to use Misty Step AND cast another spell

because you arent using a spell slot if you use fae touched misty step

[hoary totem]

how many feats should i take ? at lvl 4 should i take a feat or asi

[echo meteor]

i take fae touched level 4 and ASI level 8 to make my int 20

[inland steppe]

a feat I’d say- preferably a half feat that increases your main stat

[potent mountain]

Best nat 20 you guys have ever rolled?

[inland steppe]

Personally, I usually take ASI on the second opportunity

[mental sundial]

Wait

[echo meteor]

yoo thats wat i said 😛

[mental sundial]

What the heck are you talking about

[potent mountain]

Backflip onto a table

I shattered the table to splinters.

[small heath]

feat optimizations

[echo meteor]

I think "Cause Fear" is a great level 1 spell for wizard though

unless your fighting undead or something

[naive cedar]

Whats everyone’s favourite level one spell?

[echo meteor]

GREASE

[mighty wharf]

Yeah but I'd rather take silvery barbs as a spell known so I can cast it more than once a day, and lucky as a feat because you get advantage on 3 rolls every rest, you just cant use it on enemy saving throws or their ability checks.

[naive cedar]

Mine are command and magic missile

[echo meteor]

You can cast the silvery barbs you get from fae touched with ur spell slot

[hoary totem]

i already have lucky as a vhuman

[echo meteor]

you also get it for free from ur feat

[hoary totem]

magic missile! pew pew

[mighty wharf]

Not the race trait, the 2014 Feature

[echo meteor]

well. its a tie between Grease and Fog Cloud

Fog Cloud solves soo many problems 😭

[fast latch]

Can’t remember off the top of my head, but the best I ever witnessed was a 23 on a DC 20 Animal Handling check I set to tame a Mimic

[mighty wharf]

My favorite level 1 spell is grease until the enemy is immune to prone.

[echo meteor]

Need to sneak away? FOG CLOUD
Reposition? FOG CLOUD
Fighting Medusas? FOG CLOUD

best level 1 spell XD

[mighty wharf]

Medusa can just move from fog cloud

[fast latch]

THUNDERWAAAAAAAAVE

[naive cedar]

Need to attack a goblin, a rat, or a red dragon? Magic missile hits every time!

[echo meteor]

then how are the medusas gonna kill you? if your sitting in the fog cloud?

[fast latch]

I have great memories of spamming it with my first Bard

[undone rain]

Magic missile, its a classic

[mighty wharf]

Oh you're sitting in the fog cloud, ok.

[cedar spade]

What is good uncommon magical item for a divination wizard level 5 ?

[naive cedar]

I also love guiding bolt

[severe rampart]

Find Familiar

[naive cedar]

Oh that’s a good one. I love my lil buddies

[mighty wharf]

Spell scroll

[echo meteor]

Find Familiar is only good in Combat if the DM handwaves the component cost

and dont try to kill it

[fast latch]

Arcane Grimoire

[severe rampart]

No, I have to buy the components, unfortunately, I am broke

[echo meteor]

Find Familiar costs 10gp per pop

[severe rampart]

That's why I'm not letting anyone kill it

[echo meteor]

yeah, you can somtimes use it to scout, but you have to keep in mind that if it dies, you ahve to spend another 10gp to get it back

but many DMs just handwave this cost

[mental sundial]

Ghess what

[echo meteor]

so YMMV

[severe rampart]

Finee, barring find familiar, I'd say Dissonant Whispers

[mental sundial]

I got at my last dnd session 1000 coinfs because i killed a dragon what echo

[fast latch]

Cool

[echo meteor]

OHH another good use i've found for Fog Cloud is this stupid Dwarf Warlock NPC that we were fighting cast Darkness + Devil's Sight...
So I just cast Fog Cloud so NO ONE can see

[mental sundial]

Thanks

[severe rampart]

Right well my child sorcerer is level 3,I'm not sure he can kill... Anything right now

[inland steppe]

I’m a career warlock so I tend to not use level 1 spells a bunch

[mental sundial]

Ah

What is the awesomely awesome role for a d 20

[echo meteor]

lol Fog Cloud breaks encounters quite a bit 😛

[mental sundial]

Lol

[inland steppe]

I do like to cast unseen servant doing a bunch of s**t for me though for roleplay

[mighty wharf]

27

[empty thicket]

yep, a lot.
Fog cloud is a double edge knife

[mental sundial]

@mighty wharf yes sir

@mighty wharf thats is a win

[mighty wharf]

I'm a she

[potent mountain]

Roll 20 or dnd beyond?

[echo meteor]

Depends on how you run it... if you run it how youre SUPPOSED to run it.. every attack becomes a straight roll

[mental sundial]

@mighty wharf apologies

[cedar spade]

Anything else for this?

[echo meteor]

and Rogues can attack THEN hide in the fog cloud on the same turn

[empty thicket]

how so?

[mental sundial]

Any one play any other games

[echo meteor]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/phb-2024/playing-the-game#Cover

Unseen Attackers and Targets

When you make an attack roll against a target you can’t see, you have Disadvantage on the roll. This is true whether you’re guessing the target’s location or targeting a creature you can hear but not see. If the target isn’t in the location you targeted, you miss.

When a creature can’t see you, you have Advantage on attack rolls against it.

If you are hidden when you make an attack roll, you give away your location when the attack hits or misses.

[mighty wharf]

Does blindness stop opportunity attacks

[mental sundial]

Yes

[echo meteor]

yes.

Making an Opportunity Attack. You can make an Opportunity Attack when a creature that you can see leaves your reach. To make the attack, take a Reaction to make one melee attack with a weapon or an Unarmed Strike against that creature. The attack occurs right before it leaves your reach.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/phb-2024/playing-the-game#Cover

[severe rampart]

Well, discussion is swiftly turning into #dnd-rules

[mental sundial]

Echo lol

[empty thicket]

so for a class like rogue and monk that they can disengage in the same turn its peak

[mental sundial]

Who else here is a barbarian

[echo meteor]

they can "HIDE" in the same turn

you dont need to disengage in the fog cloud

because you dont take opportunity attacks while in the fog cloud

[severe rampart]

Wait-what? so Fog Cloud + Rogue is just endless advantage?

[echo meteor]

no, its a straight roll if they are ALSO in the fog cloud...
unless you are shooting someone outside of the cloud by peeking out of it.

[mental sundial]

@echo meteor Nice profil3 pic

I haye this timed text thing the server pit on

[echo meteor]

OR you can just get sneak attacks by attacking someone that is adjacent to your allies regardless of advantage

[mental sundial]

@echo meteor I would sn3ak attack roll then add my bonused then i would turn to the wizard to help make sire and the theif to loot the rest if there is m9re anyone agree that would be a great game plan in a situation like so

[echo meteor]

a spell scroll or a health potion

https://www.dndbeyond.com/magic-items/4804-winged-boots?srsltid=AfmBOoqnWImexkFxwHJDWGBAh1MSFbrowisFt8cq3KpM8w7CgPi3-tYO
winged boots is also nice

just make sure to prepare "feather fall" just in case

[barren panther]

Immovable rod

[small heath]

Ish'tik

[undone rain]

Lae'zel that you?

[echo meteor]

fly + feather fall is a classic combo thoo

you NEVER really want to cast fly if you don’t have featherfall 😭

[small heath]

Bro explain to me how I try to romance wyll intentionally and end up getting Halsin 😭

[undone rain]

I dont even think i can explain that my friend how the hells

[naive cedar]

me trying to romance Shadowheart and getting gale

[small heath]

💀

Its so sad. I guess im naturally drawn to big buff druids?

[naive cedar]

I’m just naturally drawn to wizards with third son aura

[small heath]

Lmao

Is that Gale's cat as your pfp?

[undone rain]

The trick is, romance em at the party

Always at the party

[small heath]

Anyways sorcerers and rangers are cool

[naive cedar]

She’s not a cat! She’s a tressym!

[undone rain]

But gale calls her a cat when revealing his secret

[naive cedar]

Only he’s allowed to call her a cat

[undone rain]

Therefore i can call it a cat

Well my names gale now and i call it a cat

[naive cedar]

tosses fireball

[undone rain]

Counterspell

[small heath]

Silvery barbs

[naive cedar]

tosses fireball again idk

[undone rain]

But i like Gales Tressym. Especially in his origin run

[small heath]

Staff of Magi with 8 depleted charges 🙂

[naive cedar]

I am also a tressym

[undone rain]

Their bond is adorable

[small heath]

My kobold sorcerer in this campaign that just ended almost fell in love with a tiefling artificer

10/10 NPC character development

Didn't work out because no uppies smh

[river vector]

I almost had my party get murked by a killer, great thing I had people help me balance the killer, now when they face them it should be a non curbstomp

[undone rain]

Im having such a hard time picking what i want to play for next campaign. I like everything

[river vector]

What was I thinking with three damage riders?

[echo meteor]

i wish there was a "ring of absorb elements" 🙁

[small heath]

Every new campaign I join i try to do a different class

So far my favorite and most experience is sorcerer

[river vector]

play changeling, impersonate everything

[undone rain]

I want to do it too, i dont want to play paladin again

[undone rain]

I do have a changeling ranger

[small heath]

I want to try this gnoll barbarian I built but have no campaigns to do it with

[echo meteor]

changelings are always fun, you can always cast "charm person" without worry

[small heath]

I have a lizardfolk ranger in this grim hallow campaign im in

[undone rain]

But i also have a kenku rogue named bowstring flick

[echo meteor]

i saw kenku stats.. and the restrictions on what you can say during roleplay made me annoyed

[river vector]

aren't kenku a meme race?

[small heath]

I lowkey thought about playing one because I love niche races

[undone rain]

Their cool on paper, but at the same time rp wise

[small heath]

Has anyone tried the gnoll yet? They recently made them a playable species.

[echo meteor]

I went goblin, and never looked back XD

"nimble escape" feels soo good

[river vector]

goblins are just small little goobers

[undone rain]

Perhaps i should play an aarakockra instead

[small heath]

Goblins vs kobolds

[mighty wharf]

You really like movement, huh?

[undone rain]

Ughhh theres too many races and classes to pick

[small heath]

Human hexblade warlock @undone rain

[lusty tendon]

guys im gonna make a totally unique character of a warlock/paladin

[river vector]

have you heard about the reborn race? playable undead

[echo meteor]

Nimble Escape. The goblin can take the Disengage or Hide action as a bonus action on each of its turns.

[undone rain]

Yeh

[river vector]

I'm going to make a human fighter

[undone rain]

John Dungeon

[echo meteor]

well in the offical book...

Nimble Escape. You can take the Disengage or Hide action as a bonus action on each of your turns.

[lusty tendon]

varient or basic

[echo meteor]

such a great ability

[steady gust]

one thing about online games I thought about is if the players have a right to fight the monsters in the world and take their items or if the monster is guilty of a crime should their items go to their next of kin or would it be theft to take the items from their corpse or treasure box?
in self defense of a monster attacking you should their items go to you or to the monsters heir?

[river vector]

I was joking, but if I had to it would be variant

[small heath]

Steal

[echo meteor]

movement is king though.. i always grab feather fall, misty step, vortex warp, fly, dimensional door

[small heath]

Always steal. Who needs to be lawful good. We're not main character protagonist energy.

[echo meteor]

being able to be anywhere is nice

[lusty tendon]

nah john dungeon is always basic human

[small heath]

If I see a shiny sword im taking a shiny sword

Its not owned if they're dead

[mighty wharf]

I took Warforged for a lot of reasons, mainly because I didn't want to take care of myself as a human (lol) and I could pick up sentries rest, extra con, free AC, and be a construct creature type.

[river vector]

variant tiefling has wings right? @undone rain

[mighty wharf]

I argued I could cast spells in my sleep with Sentries Rest and my DM rolled with it

[undone rain]

I think so

[river vector]

yep they do

[empty thicket]

i will take one because i have a character idea i want to do someday

[river vector]

that could be cool. Be this devil like creature flying all over the place

[undone rain]

Hmm perhaps

I do like fellas with wings

[river vector]

dnd dhamphir is cool, I might play that just for the hunger aspect

Heh. "Play" who am I kidding? I have to DM for months lol

[undone rain]

Perhaps a fallen Aasimar

[solid lynx]

Hi all! Can anyone recommend a website to create digital maps for combat and such? Free and able to run on a laptop. Thank uuiu🫂

[novel bobcat]

okay, am i on some kind of community DM blacklist for people not to invite to your camapign or something? I have PM'd 5 people posting for looking for players and none have replied to me

[sacred cloak]

hii is there any website to find non-ai art

[lone coral]

check the pins and messages in #dnd-maps

[solid lynx]

Those are great but im looking for combat ones. Those seem to focus on towns and the world.
Theres this one website that i cant remember, but it was really nice for combat, measured distances and such

[lone coral]

Are you looking for a virtual table top (vtt) like Roll20?

[indigo osprey]

what is lfg or lfp?

[lone coral]

They have maps, some are free but most are pay for them

[lone coral]

looking for game (lfg) or looking for players (lfp)

[indigo osprey]

and the difference is?

Looking for players means they are the dm?

[lone coral]

not much. though there are some looking for post (text based games)

yes

[indigo osprey]

and if im not the talkative type?

im new and i also speak other language, therefore if i speak english out loud im a weirdo hahaha

[river fulcrum]

who here plays dnd

[lone coral]

no one seems to mind. played with international players before

[indigo osprey]

lovely

[oak grotto]

DnD has never been my thing.

[river fulcrum]

who here breaths

[indigo osprey]

I just find it interesting

though never got to play

[empty thicket]

we dont judge, we might ask sometimes to repeat something it wasnt understood. If not you can always write stuff and just roleplay X moments.
A thing i would recommend is if in the table there is people that speak any other language, call it spanish, french, etc. etc.
Flavor some language like it and when there is a creature that speak it you can use it
Example: I know spanish and english, but we speak commonly in english. But if i could i would make orkish be spanish and roleplay with that

[oak grotto]

I used to do it. But I kinda gave up on it on 2020.

[river fulcrum]

same twin

[indigo osprey]

I do not know many peopla that talks in spanish that also plays dnd

Many close to none

[empty thicket]

i know, but its something i expect and im good with that, i will someday find a spanish speaking group and dont have to "force" my voice

[oak grotto]

Just be warned that the mods don't like it when people speak other languages here.

[indigo osprey]

player, and i was not talking about today or tomorrow, someday

And i work and study on week days, that is why is only weekends i can try

[idle oar]

Hey folks it’s off topic to solicit/organize games outside the Looking For Game channels. Please read #find-a-game carefully to learn how to use our LFG channels.

[empty thicket]

will considerate it someday being a DM and make stuff, until then, any favorite spell?

[indigo osprey]

Invisibility or mist step i guess was called

basic, but useful

Yours?

[empty thicket]

Guiding bolt or Ravenous void, a good lvl 1 spell and a really... i dont have any word to explain it but the idea of a literally Black hole in an arena massage a neuron i like

[indigo osprey]

Just the feeling of dissapearing and attacking with sneak attacks does the same to me hahaha

[timber junco]

How often do yall tend to get items during campaigns? Curious if I should nudge my DM or not about it. I think we’ve had 4 items given out across 6 players and we are all level 6.

I know it’s all dm/campaign dependent. But am just looking to see what yalls experience has been! Thanks y’all.

[feral fulcrum]

My DM hands them out pretty frequently, and also lets us craft them in a reasonable timeframe, but it's a pretty high magic homebrew setting, so they're not exactly rare for anyone, enemies included.

[sharp forge]

Guys this is driving me crazy but do you know why I can’t see the option in the subclass tab for paladin at level 3 to use oath breaker and I’m also useing the 2014 stuff

So do you guys know what’s wrong

[feral fulcrum]

I presume you're talking about D&D beyond?

[sharp forge]

Yeah

[oak grotto]

Have your purchased any content? Or do you have access to any of the books' content?

If not you already have your answer.

[sharp forge]

Google said it comes with the 2014 dm hands book guide

[oak grotto]

Did you buy that book?

[glass granite]

Do you own the 2014 DMG on dnd beyond?

[sharp forge]

Wait there’s different versions of 2014 stuff I thought it came with the free stuff

[glass granite]

Oh no

There are a lot of books

[oak grotto]

There is, yes. But there is no new version of Oathbreaker.

[feral fulcrum]

There's the Free rules, which contain the absolute minimum needed to play. Then there's al lthe content from the books, which you, naturally, need to buy, to have access to. Because WOTC is running a business here.

And they're not nearly as generous as Paizo

[oak grotto]

Oathbreaker players are still using the old Oathbreaker.

[sharp forge]

Ugh 😩

I had a good combo also

[feral fulcrum]

Shrugs

[sharp forge]

Was thinking of doing a paladin oath breaker with Druid class also

[oak grotto]

Maybe your DnD group will have access to some content and they'll be willing to share it.

[sharp forge]

I don’t have one

It’s cause I’m to young for some many I’m 15

[oak grotto]

Multiclassing is usually not advised for newbies. So proceed at your own risk.

[oak grotto]

But I assume you intend to find a group.

[sharp forge]

Been trying for almost like 1/4 of a year or so or like when ever I have free time

[feral fulcrum]

I would advise that unless you're just doing it for funsies, to not make a charecter, because Making a charecter and showing up to a game runs into the issue of "Okay but I've banned content from this book, that book, and this book, and also these guys don't exist in this setting."

The proverbial cart goes behind the proverbial horse, not in front of it.

[oak grotto]

Looking for the ideal DnD group can take some time. Patience is key.

[rough basalt]

Being underage does make it harder unfortunately, but that's just how it is.

[worn crow]

Best thing to do is to stalk the #find-a-game listings, there's so many that get posted

[sharp forge]

Bro I’ve used so much patience just to find a group with mature topics that let me join that also have semi balance or do and combat

[worn crow]

Wrong channel linked oops #looking-for-players

[feral fulcrum]

Such is finding games online. There's no magic solution to make it easy or quick I'm afraid.

[oak grotto]

Welp, I tried to help.

[sharp forge]

Yeah I understand and thanks for the help it’s just frustrating

But do you think that would be good combo Druid to sommon pets animals and use oath breaker apart of it perks and that I can integrate into my background

Ect things

[crimson gulch]

yeah its hard to find a great free game for sure

[worn crow]

They use veeery different stats, so I'm not sure if pally and druid would be a good match

Checking in multiple areas helps too, all my games have been free and they've been, for the most part, amazing

[sharp forge]

Also I’ve wanted to try a campaign recently I heard it’s full of vampires and we’re wolfs and though I could make a character arc with one of those if I use a specific class so yeah

[indigo blaze]

Hello everyone! I'm new

[oak grotto]

If you need any help getting introduced to DnD you best head towards #dnd-newcomers.

[indigo blaze]

gotcha. thanks

[elder scroll]

What is up, my adventuras?

[knotty vine]

wheres the dragons

[undone rain]

In some cave idk

So whats the deal with the rune knight. What are their abilities and such

[rough basalt]

They use magic runes to enhance themselves and stuff

[undone rain]

Eh think ill just stick with the eldritch knight

[rough basalt]

Its kinda the Giant themed subclass

[humble cairn]

They are giant themed, they get big and hit hard.

So if you want to be Large and in charge.

[rough basalt]

Ye a level 18 Rune Knight is the only martial that can grapple Gargantuan creatures without magic or consumable aid I believe.

[undone rain]

Hmm

Cool concept

[empty thicket]

hope far from my position, i dont think im capable of take even the weakest of them. I will someday but not yet

[undone rain]

Think ill go eldritch knight goliath instead. I want some arcane magic

[rough basalt]

I mean a level 1 party can kill one of the weakest Dragons in open combat.

[tall forge]

I mean

What are we classifying as a dragon here

Bc if you wanna be technical

My level 1 guy can kill the weakest dragon alone, no party needed

[feral fulcrum]

Technically speaking, the weakest Dragon is a 1/8 CR Kobold Warrior

Because WOTC is...certainly something with random typing.

The actually weakest, actual dragon, is a Psuedodragon, at cr 1/4. ANd you're still likely to fail again the sting attack and be instantly out of the fight.

[reef copper]

I assume they probably mean wyrmling white dragon

[umbral girder]

Well Wyrmling white dragon isn’t the weakest true dragon

That title goes to the Deep Dragon Wyrmling

[knotty vine]

i hope kobolds become dragons in the reprint

[lavish flame]

Kobolds are Dragons in 2024

[knotty vine]

i mean the PC race

[echo meteor]

sooo, i've started sprinkling in random boxes of health potion throughout the dungeon

if i thoguht players are struggling xD

[marble lion]

Health potions just when we needed them?
Yeah and pickles can fly

[feral fulcrum]

Animate Objects and they can

[echo meteor]

more like "oh no, why are we getting health potions?"

before the big boss/difficult encounter

[marble lion]

A pickle is no mere objects. It is a question

[lavish flame]

this is what Skyrim does before it promptly kicks you in the teeth

[marble lion]

I dont think skyrim does that actually

The loot is quite spread out

I would be surprised if i missed this after so many hours

Its quite obvious in many games but skyrim never has that "pre boss" room

[lavish flame]

apologies for trying to joke in this server. I forget where I am

[marble lion]

Well

I wish you success next time

[fair summit]

If I suddenly did this, I just know my players would be paranoid about a potion crate mimic, especially after the gunpowder barrel incident lol

And they'd be 100% in the right to expect that of me 😏

[torn lion]

Hey peeps, what channel do I need to be if I want help “saving” my build. It’s kinda a weird build that I would like to optimize a bit. Anyone who can help me that knows a thing or two about rogues/sorcerers and muticlassing them

[gaunt spindle]

#character-discussion is fine i believe
not sure tho

[dark basin]

If you want to optimize #optimization.

[burnt valley]

That's quite a terrible multiclass with barely any synergy, you may want to ask your DM if you could fully rebuild it

[undone rain]

Its best to multiclass 2 who prioritize the same stats i think

Like a paladin and bard or warlock. Or smth else idk i havent really multiclassed

[burnt valley]

Sorlockadin is an option

[undone rain]

Or that lol

Large amount of charisma focused spell casters

Bard+Paladin+Warlock+Sorcerer

How would that name combine. If at all even

[hidden spindle]

Sopabawa~ (Super Power~)

[undone rain]

Lmaoooo

You truly become a superpower using that lol

[torn lion]

My problem is that I have a rogue with a 17 in charisma and a 12 in intelligence

Check #optimization for my full breakdown of my character

[digital hamlet]

do anyone know if there is an item that sets you're wisdom score to an specific ammount like for example The headband of Intellect does for intilegience

[pliant sapphire]

Doesn't exist iirc. Only exist for STR and INT

and CON