dnd-discussion

[grizzled lance]

Two-Weapon Fighting (PHB). When you engage in two-weapon fighting, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of the second attack.

[tidal bough]

You can attack with a nonlight weapon but you do not add the modifier

[humble cairn]

Oh you're talking about the damage mod, I'm taking about allowing an attack.

[grizzled lance]

No where does it say light

[tidal bough]

Oh yes exactly

[frail mural]

But then the second weapon woudn't get the bonus from the other feat

[humble cairn]

What other Feat?

[frail mural]

And that's what im going for

[frail mural]

Two weapon fighting style

[grizzled lance]

Of course they changed it

[exotic sinew]

What websites work well for online dnd on a tablet (eg dnd beyond,roll20) and if i join a campaign do I have to own the digital source book if I want to make a character not using the extremely limited free version?? Pls help

[humble cairn]

TWF Style allows adding the bonus to any attack that triggers from the Light weapon attack, which the Dual wielder attack does.

[grizzled lance]

So what’s the point of using dual wielder 😭

If your only gonna use ligjt weapons

[tidal bough]

Extra attack

[humble cairn]

You get a whole other attack on top of Nick.

[tidal bough]

Why would you pass on an extra attack?

[grizzled lance]

Doesn’t benefit from the fighting style so kinda worthless

[frail mural]

Wait... you might be cooking

[humble cairn]

If you combine Nick and Dual Wielder you get two attack above whatever standard you already have.

[grizzled lance]

Your better off just using two short swords

[frail mural]

But we need nick to use the third attack

Im using nick, two weapon fighting and dual wielder

[grizzled lance]

Or two schimitars

[tidal bough]

Hmm, I mean not really, not really by far, if your character is making 6 attacks at level 5 when everyone else is making 2 or at most 3, the damage output is significantly higher

[humble cairn]

**TWF **- "When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of that attack if you aren’t already adding it to the damage."
Dual Wielder - "When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a weapon that has the Light property, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn with a different weapon"
Dual wielder is triggered by the Light property, therefore the bonus from TWF applies.

[tidal bough]

6 is your max

4 would be your baseline

[serene jolt]

It's honestly better using two separate light weapons because Nick doesn't stack (that I'm aware of) but if you use a nick weapon then a vex, you get adv on your next attack. (Just 1 example)

[grizzled lance]

I mean instead duel wielder just seems useless overall

Since the fighting style only applies to light weapons

[tidal bough]

So an extra attack is useless?

[exotic sinew]

Are you saying that if you use Nick and don't have the Dual wielder feat you cannot also make a attack as a Bonus Action even if both of your weapons are light

[humble cairn]

You get a whole other attack? And yes it does benefit from the TWF style.

[tidal bough]

Read nick

[grizzled lance]

It doesn’t it says “light” weapons

[frail mural]

So scimiar and shortsword?

[humble cairn]

You cannot. Look at nick where it says "you can still only do this once a turn."

[serene jolt]

Dual wielder is pretty much useless now. You can already attack with a light weapon as a BA.

[grizzled lance]

That’s what I mean

[humble cairn]

What, specifically, doesn't say light weapons?

[frail mural]

Is the way to go? Bcs i do three attacks and get an adv on the fourth?

[tidal bough]

Nick allows you to do it again

[serene jolt]

You can normally do that though

[tidal bough]

You cannot

[humble cairn]

If you stack it with Nick, it's a whole other attack.

[grizzled lance]

Source: Player's Handbook

Prerequisite: Fighting Style Feature

When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of that attack if you aren't already adding it to the damage.

[humble cairn]

Yeah, the Dual Wielder attack benefits from this.

#dnd-discussion message

[tidal bough]

Please read what things do before having and opinion on things

[grizzled lance]

I mean using any other weapon other then light in your off hand

[exotic sinew]

Nick (Mastery). When you make the extra attack of the Light property, you can make it as part of the Attack action instead of as a Bonus Action. You can make this extra attack only once per turn.

You still have a Bonus Action though, you can use the Nick property once per turn. So even with extra attack only one attack can utilise nick, but it doesn't say you cannot also make a Bonus Action attack

[grizzled lance]

So if I were to attack with a rapier the rapier wouldn’t apply anything

[humble cairn]

That is a slight benefit and requires some juggling unless you're throwing your weapons, but it's still a slight benefit. The much bigger benefit is having a whole other attack that you woulnd't otherwise have.

[frail mural]

Rapiers aren't light, the bonus would still apply but you'd lose an extra attack

At least that's what i have interpreted

[serene jolt]

Every reference online says that if you make an attack with a light weapon, you can use a bonus action to make another attack with a light weapon.

[grizzled lance]

That’s a tiny benefit when it’s either 1d6+2-3-4-5 or 1d8

[tidal bough]

The bonus action attack is using the two weapon fighting which can only be made once per turn

[humble cairn]

It would if you had the TWF style because the TWF style applies to any attack triggered by the Light weapon property, doesn't have to be a light weapon itself.

[serene jolt]

I'm trying to find what y'all are saying but I'm not finding it.

[grizzled lance]

The loop holes you find would make a tiger in circus jealous

[humble cairn]

Yes, and if you Nick that, you make it as part off the Attack Action, but then cannot do it again as part of your Bonus. That's where DW comes in, giving you another BA attack.

[frail mural]

Ok now im just more confused

[humble cairn]

It's not a loophole, it's right there and very obvious.

[tidal bough]

Nick allows you to not use the bonus action and make the attack as part of the original action.

This frees up the bonus action to be used on dual Wielder attack as you cannot make more than one two weapon fighting attack per turn.

[grizzled lance]

I was saying that the dual wielding feat is worthless cause it doesn’t work with two weapon

[humble cairn]

Here are direct quotes: #dnd-discussion message

[frail mural]

It... it does?

[humble cairn]

It very much does.

[serene jolt]

I don't care about nick, that's not what I'm talking about xD

I was trying to figure out the point of dual wielder feat

[grizzled lance]

So you can apply the mod to any anything in your off with the dual wielding feat yes?

[humble cairn]

Without Nick, Dual Wielder is much less impactful.

[tidal bough]

This is the worst take I've heard today

[humble cairn]

If it doesn't already apply it, yes.

[frail mural]

Frees up a bonus action

[tidal bough]

It adds an additional attack

[grizzled lance]

Oh then I guess it is good

[frail mural]

And lets you quick draw

[serene jolt]

you can already do that

[grizzled lance]

Dual uses your bonus action

[humble cairn]

No, that's Nick. DW grants another bonus action.

[serene jolt]

You can attack with a dagger (without nick involved) and attack with another dagger as a bonus action.

[tidal bough]

But you cant attack again without it after making the usual attack

[serene jolt]

Unless there's a rule I'm not aware of. I cannot find it anywhere.

[tidal bough]

You cannot, please read what it says on nick

[humble cairn]

Yes, with Dual Wielder and NOT Nick the benefit is that second attack can be with a Rapier.

[serene jolt]

I'm not talking about nick!

[frail mural]

No sorry, reading it again you're right mb

[humble cairn]

Yes you can, it's the Light propery by default.

OMG everyone is getting in everyone else's way in this conversation!

[serene jolt]

So if you attack with a light weapon (ie a dagger), with dual wielder you can attack with like a longsword or something?

[tidal bough]

Mbmb im talking about being able to make another attack after that with the nick property

[grizzled lance]

Apparently

[serene jolt]

With dual wielder

[humble cairn]

If you don't know the rules back and forth, stop telling other people things.

[serene jolt]

Then that sounds somewhat worth it but not really.

[tidal bough]

Yes but you can make this as part of a bonus action after making a nick attack on top of your your normal attack

[humble cairn]

Much better in conjunction with Nick.

[grizzled lance]

All this to be out down by the humble fire ball spell

[serene jolt]

But you cannot have 3 weapons at once. Doesn't nick only work with light weapons?

[humble cairn]

DW by itself is so-so, but combined with Nick and the TWF it's pretty great.

[serene jolt]

And I believe it has to use another weapon, not the same dagger, right?

[tidal bough]

Basically lemme lay it out.

Without dual Wielder

Atk-nick atk- free action

With dual Wielder

Atk - nick atk - dual Wielder atk

[serene jolt]

So you can nick with the same weapon?

[tidal bough]

Free bonus action*

[frail mural]

Assuming my first weapon is a scimitar with nick, If my second weapon is a shortsword can i apply vex, giving me advantage on my third/fourth attack???

[humble cairn]

1. using the weapon sheathing rules you can juggle weapons and use three melee weapons
2. If you throw your daggers, your hand is free to draw a rapier.

[serene jolt]

That sounds complicated

[grizzled lance]

So the max damage you can get out is 4d6 or 6d6+1-2-3-4-5 assuming you don’t crit

And that’s if all attacks hit

[tidal bough]

It is but isnt, wotc just made it overcomplicated

[grizzled lance]

All that work for 4d6 sound annoying

[serene jolt]

Well it depends

[humble cairn]

I blame people trying to explain it badly more than WOTC.

[serene jolt]

If you have a longsword for your dual wielder feat, it'll be slightly more.

[grizzled lance]

3d6 + 1d8

[frail mural]

@tidal bough oh master of the book, i beg of thee, lend me thy knowledge

[humble cairn]

For most martials, a fighting style and mastery is already comig by default so the only actual "work" here is choosing the Dual Wielder Feat.

[serene jolt]

Plus if you have the fighting style, doesn't it add your modifier on all those rolls?

[exotic sinew]

I am using a short sword and a scimitar both are light

Light. When you take the Attack action on your turn and. attack with a Light weapon, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn. That extra attack must be made with a different Light weapon, and you don't add your ability modifier to the extra attack's damage unless that modifier is negative. For example, you can attack with a Shortsword in one hand and a Dagger in the other using the Attack action and a Bonus Action, but you don't add your Strength or Dexterity modifier to the damage roll of the Bonus Action unless that modifier is negative.

Nick (Mastery). When you make the extra attack of the Light property, you can make it as part of the Attack action instead of as a Bonus Action. You can make this extra attack only once per turn.

But at level 1, I attack with Shortsword in have vex and Nick so I get to attack my Nick weapon on the same attack action with advantage. Now I technically still have Bonus Action so please explain to me where it says I cannot make a Bonus Action attack it only says I can use Nick once per turn meaning with extra attack only one of the 2 attacks can use Nick

[tidal bough]

Depends on your build, let's push this over to something like ranger.

3d6 base at lvl 1
+3d6 from ranger

6d6+mod possible damage at lvl 1

[grizzled lance]

Only 3 martials get fighting styles

[serene jolt]

So it could potentially be 1d6+5 + 1d6+5 + 1d8+5. Which is a better average.

[grizzled lance]

Fireeeeeee ballllllll 8d6

[serene jolt]

That's a resource

[humble cairn]

Fighter, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue?

[grizzled lance]

Still

[serene jolt]

We are talking about resource-less damage like cantrips

[tidal bough]

Id assume so if youre using your dual Wielder for the short

[grizzled lance]

Rogue doesn’t get a fighting style

[tidal bough]

Fireball is still 4 levels above

[humble cairn]

Oh right, Mastery but not FS.

[grizzled lance]

Fire ball is 3rd level

[humble cairn]

Still 3 out of what, 5? That's still most.

[tidal bough]

Which requires you to be lvl 5 minimum to cast as a basic spell, which incase we're struggling with math is 4 lvls higher than lvl 1

[grizzled lance]

At level 1 that’s only 4 attacks

[serene jolt]

Also it takes resources while the fighter, ranger, or paladin is just smacking away consistently.

[tidal bough]

3*

[frail mural]

Why do i get two more attacks instead of 1 if i use action surge? Nick can only be applied once per turn so i could only have 5 max attacks no?

[humble cairn]

Anyway increasing your number of attacks stacks nicely with things that add damage to attacks like Hunter's Mark and Paladin's Divine Strikes.

[grizzled lance]

Right

[serene jolt]

And fire is one of the most resisted elements out there.

[exotic sinew]

@tidal bough bruh don't ignore lol

[tidal bough]

Action surge gives you an action which allows for you to take the attack action again and at lvl 5 this means you get an extra attack from that

[grizzled lance]

Only 15% of the monster manual is resistant to fire

[tidal bough]

Sorry only so many messages I can reply to at once ill read now

[grizzled lance]

Even so you could just use lighting version of fire ball

[humble cairn]

I played a Paladin who only used Nick Mastery withotu TWF or Dual Wielder and I still benefited nicely from the extra attack it gave me, because of the extra radiant damage on every hit.

[grizzled lance]

Or you know elemental adapt

[grizzled lance]

Don’t paladins only smite on bonus actions now?

[humble cairn]

All while wielding a shield as well. Ahh Thrown Weapons paladin, so fun.

[humble cairn]

Wasn't even talking about Smite, they get extra radiant damage on every hit at level 11.

[grizzled lance]

At least casting wise

[serene jolt]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fPQJU048yEMy7XS-9cjqSyi7Q1CHOVZH4eQ26WVjuS0/edit?usp=sharing

[frail mural]

Yes but if base is 4, action surge gives you a +1, equating 5, where did you see you got one extra attack?

[grizzled lance]

Elemental adept also that’s 2014

[serene jolt]

Even 2024, it's top 4 resisted

[grizzled lance]

Poison still being the worst damage/ condition will never not be funky

[serene jolt]

Elemental Adept can get you past the resisted but not the immune.

[frail mural]

Fireball has aoe damage, take that into account

[vast saddle]

Is it normal for a character with a horrible past to lose their aura near a comical character?

[tidal bough]

Here:

Nick. When you make the extra attack of the Light property, you can make it as part of the Attack action instead of as a Bonus Action. You can make this extra attack only once per turn.

[grizzled lance]

Lightning bolt

[serene jolt]

I only know these stats because my Artificer is a pyromaniac so I had to get past a lot of barriers.

[grizzled lance]

Elemental adept is right there

[serene jolt]

I have it

Elemental Adept doesn't get you past immunities.

[grizzled lance]

And even then in 2014 only 10% of monsters were immune to fire

Out of 500+ monsters

[serene jolt]

And if a DM is really annoyed with your fireballs, they can and will throw you a few encounters here and there where you aren't as useful with a fireball.

[grizzled lance]

Again lightning bolt

[tidal bough]

Just clarifying this is assuming you are lvl 5.

Here is the atk order

Action atk - nick atk - bonus action dual wield atk - extra atk - action surge (refresh action atk) - extra atk

[serene jolt]

Okay and that's another spell. Another resource

[grizzled lance]

Sorcerer adept transmutation

[serene jolt]

We aren't saying spellcasters are less useful than martials. This just gives martials a good source of damage.

[vast saddle]

I see. I guess gameplay is way more important than the roleplay here

[grizzled lance]

I never said that either

[serene jolt]

We ALL already know spellcasters are the most broken

[frail mural]

Action surge at level 5 gives you two attacks?

[grizzled lance]

It gives you an entire action

[serene jolt]

So saying a fighter can get fireball to get past this barrier is kind of short minded

[tidal bough]

In reference ill highlight the main parts

Beginning at 5th level, you can attack twice, instead of once, whenever you take the Attack action on your turn.

The number of attacks increases to three when you reach 11th level in this class and to four when you reach 20th level in this class

[humble cairn]

This would be a total of 6 attacks.

[tidal bough]

That is correct

[exotic sinew]

So for someone using 2 Light weapons is the Dual wielder feat even worth taking at level 4?

Cause the way I read it seems like it's for if you are using a Light and non light weapon

[frail mural]

OHHHH

[grizzled lance]

Dnd hate’s anybody using melee 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[frail mural]

I thought they were two separate actions, ty a lot

[grizzled lance]

Have you seen the updated lich

[humble cairn]

It is if you also have Nick, much less worth it without Nick.

[frail mural]

If i take riposte i can attack back as a reaction, giving me 7 attacks

[humble cairn]

So the question is, do you have Nick Mastery?

[tidal bough]

Yes, its good regardless but it will tend to be better for those who are using light weapons, its an extra attack regardless but test it on your character before implementing it

[exotic sinew]

My ranger kit comes with shortsword and scimitar and that is where my Mastery is on as well

[tidal bough]

HE IS UNDERSTANDING

[humble cairn]

Ok so if you have Nick, the Dual Wielder Feat will give you yet another attack that you would not have without it. And, crucially, if you are a Hunter's Mark user, that extra attack with trigger HM as well.

[grizzled lance]

I mean if your dm allows it there’s a pistol that has the light property

That could make you a danger

[exotic sinew]

So at level 4 I could make 3 attack at level 1 i can make 2?

[tidal bough]

This also works but it has the loading property which means you can only attack with it once per turn so its something to keep in mind

Unless you have the gunner feat ofc

[humble cairn]

If you pick up Dual Wielder at level 4 yes.

[grizzled lance]

It actually had reloading so gunner doesn’t effect the weapon

[tidal bough]

Ohh you mean the automatic one

[exotic sinew]

Wording is confusing 😕 I feel like no matter how many times I have it explained I go back re read and go hmm me is confused again lol 😆

[tidal bough]

The base pistol is loading but the automatic has reload

[grizzled lance]

It’s also not possible to use ranged spells within 5th without disadvantage anymore

[frail mural]

Wait so if i riposte

Riposte. When a creature misses you with a melee
attack roll, you can take a Reaction and expend one
Superiority Die to make a melee attack roll with a
weapon or an Unarmed Strike against the creature.
If you hit, add the Superiority Die to the attack's
damage.

And attack with my scimitar first, do i get to do a second attack?

[grizzled lance]

Riposte is using a reaction which isn’t on your turn so it doesn’t count

[frail mural]

(Scimitar has nick)

[frail mural]

Ah that's a shame

[exotic sinew]

I changed back to the new to dnd logo cause I am very much a dweeb

[tidal bough]

I would normally say this as well but im not entirely sure as it does specify "You can make this extra attack only once per turn."

Nvm found it, its a no

[frail mural]

Alr

[tidal bough]

Two weapon fighting specifies it has to be on your turn

[grizzled lance]

Yeah

[exotic sinew]

Also I thought nick was like you use that weapon to make the nick attack not I attack with a weapon that has nick and use a weapon that doesn't have nick for the nick attack

[frail mural]

So i can do 7 max attacks in a "turn" counting the reaction

That feels a little bit overpowered

Just a little

[tidal bough]

Correct, but dont use it on the first combat, istg i always see the fighter run in and use it on some throwaway goons of the boss and then get thrashed when the boss appears because they have no resources

[exotic sinew]

Is that with action surge ??

[grizzled lance]

You have to roll 7 dice and not all of the attack are gonna land

[frail mural]

Yeah

[frail mural]

Some of them have advantage, considering ivuse a scimitar and shortsword

[grizzled lance]

Still not 100% gonna land

[tidal bough]

Side note you can also proc it by moving back 5ft to provoke aoo

[frail mural]

How much certainty do you need dawg.... i think its fair to say 7 attacks will most likely hit, specially considering i have a +7 to hit

(+3 prof +4 dex)

[frail mural]

Ohhhh good one

[grizzled lance]

Let’s say an enemy has a 17 in ac you have to roll a 10 to hit which is a 50/50

[tidal bough]

A 50/50 rolled 7 times is better than a 50/50 rolled 5 times

[grizzled lance]

And again one of your “attacks means an enemy has to hit you within melee range”

[tidal bough]

Still 6 times

[grizzled lance]

So if an enemy were to have like a spear you can’t use your reaction attck

[tidal bough]

Thats fine

[frail mural]

I can still parry and reduce damage

[tidal bough]

6 times is still 4 more attacks than the barbarian is making

[grizzled lance]

6 times is alright but you also expand your action surge

[tidal bough]

Oh well, thats for big burst dmg

[frail mural]

Do opportunity attack also count as in "my turn?"

[tidal bough]

On a basic turn its going to be attacking 4 times

[grizzled lance]

Yeah but a barbarian can use a 2d6+2

[tidal bough]

Yes

[grizzled lance]

No they don’t

They use your reaction which can happen outside of your turn

[tidal bough]

Wait sorry, when are they happening

[frail mural]

Wait so if i trigger one in my turn, does that mean that now i can do two attacks in a reaction?

[tidal bough]

They can count if youre the one provoking by moving back during your turn

[grizzled lance]

No

[tidal bough]

I dont believe so

[frail mural]

Shame

[grizzled lance]

You only get 1 reaction a round

Which can be used for either an opportunity attack or the other two things

[frail mural]

Im saying, if i force move and an enemy does an opportunity attack on me

[tidal bough]

It doesnt explicitly state that you take the attack action

[frail mural]

Bcs if they opportunity attack me that's in my turn no?

While im moving

[grizzled lance]

Forced movement doesn’t prove opportunity attacks

[fair summit]

You could get two per round. Triggering first reaction before your turb, then getting your reaction back at the start of your turn on the same round and triggering it before the next round

[tidal bough]

This is also true

[grizzled lance]

Thats.. not two that’s just waiting your turn lol

[frail mural]

Okay im wording that poorly, forget the force, if i move, and the enemy attacks me as a reaction, and missing, causing me to react tovhis reaction

[tidal bough]

If its in the same round it technically is 2 in one round

[grizzled lance]

enemies don’t have to attack you if you move out of range

[grim fjord]

Well duh captain obvious

[tidal bough]

Hes specifying if

Or she

[frail mural]

They don't have, but if my dm is clueless and attacks me as an opportunity attack

[grizzled lance]

That won’t happen in the same round through..?

[frail mural]

Does riposte triggers a second attack?

[grizzled lance]

No

[frail mural]

In that case since its my turn

[fair summit]

Round is not the same as a turn

[frail mural]

The feat specifies it needs to be in my turn so...

[grizzled lance]

Yeah you get a reaction per round

[tidal bough]

Technically speaking there are circumstances where their statement would be true, such as being first in init

[tidal bough]

Per turn not round

[grizzled lance]

I guess if your somehow last and the enemy moves away then you can do your reaction and then you would get another

[remote wadi]

Huge shame poison is so weak in DnD

[tidal bough]

Big tru

[grizzled lance]

Do you know how broken the game would be if you got a reaction once per turn bruh

[tidal bough]

Per the creatures turn not every turn, apologies for the lack of specification

[grizzled lance]

Ohhh

[blissful ibex]

it's fine; just don't use it on fiends or undead and you have a decent chance of it working

[tidal bough]

I thought it was implied but it would definitely be broken if that were the case

[grizzled lance]

Still the timing to get two reactions out is very niche

[remote wadi]

I was also referring to the Poisoner feat

To be honest, it should have came with Corrosive. Or should have came with it

[grizzled lance]

I still don’t like that posion the damage and the condition are one and the same

[tidal bough]

The main issue is approximately like 5-15 monsters have resistance to poison and about 30% of monsters have immunity to it, with alot of them having immunity to the poisoned condition

Especially boss monsters

[blissful ibex]

well it's poison (the damage) vs poisoned (the condition)

[grizzled lance]

In 2014 only 4 monsters were resistant to posion

Using only the monster manual

[tidal bough]

Yeah i dont think its too many in 2024 but theres lots of immune ones

[blissful ibex]

This number doesn't mean anything though because depending on your setting/campaign; you might only see one or two of them
it's a white room statistic that ignores the context of actually playing the game

[tidal bough]

It doesnt help that most of the poisons require a con save or something

[grizzled lance]

It’s actually a lot less compared cause Monster manual only 500+ monsters 30% were immune in 2024 it’s been cut down to 20% but that’s still a big number

[tidal bough]

True but it does mean at random your dm could pick a creature at random and theres a decent chance theyre immune to it

[remote wadi]

2 ways Poisoner could have easily been fixed is

1. Making Corrosive apply on Poisoner to bypass immunities
2. Make the decrease apply to all 4 states: immune > Resistant > normal > vulnerable

[grizzled lance]

It’s also really annoying because I think the poisoned condition should have been named something else

[tidal bough]

Weakened

Or weakness

[blissful ibex]

Except most DMs don't pick enemies at random; you have to set up encounters in a somewhat cohesive way and make sure you're not running a beyond dealdy encounter unless that's the intention

or you're using a premade module which will generally have a few themes

[frail mural]

Anyhow, not counting the uhm... opportunity attack, assuming if i get o-attacked i can't do a riposte with two attacks that's still a 4 attacks baseline, max of 5 attacks for 4 turns and one turn with potentially 7 attacks that's still massive at lvl 5

[tidal bough]

True but it means the creatures theyre picking from assuming no homebrew are likely to still have immunity regardless

There will be a theme but its still a high chance for it to be there

[frail mural]

Thx for the clarification Teeto, rabbit, the blond pfp guy and the rest of the people involved

[blissful ibex]

If there are no fiends, undead, or oozes in your campaign, that drastically cuts down the number of poison/poisoned immune statblocks available

[tidal bough]

Because that creature fits jt

[grizzled lance]

The higher the level the higher thee chance to be immune to poison

[vast saddle]

May I ask a question? Where is the best place to talk everything happens on my table?

[tidal bough]

And if there are it drastically increases it, youre using chance to deny chance which is illogical to do

[blissful ibex]

I'm at the end of a run of DH and I think there was maybe 1 poison immune statblock that we ran into the entire run

[grizzled lance]

I can’t think of a campaign that doesn’t have at least a few of those aspects

[vast saddle]

All I see right now is the mechanic talking

[frail mural]

#tales-from-the-table probably

[tidal bough]

Depends there is #tales-from-the-table

[blissful ibex]

Which is why you dont take it if you know you're running a module that's 90% undead?

[grizzled lance]

Curse of strahd

[blissful ibex]

A lot of the early game doesn't have much; especially if you're mainly dealing with goblins, humanoids, beastts, etc.

[grizzled lance]

Your effects are meaningless

[blissful ibex]

hell, we got a good chunk of the way through CoS and only ran into undead a handful of times

[grizzled lance]

I’m pretty sure vampires are the only undead not immune to posion

They still have blood

[tidal bough]

So we're changing the goal pist from "its not likely and its dependant on your dm to choose it" to "the theme of the campaign makes it less likely" to "the player shouldn't choose it if its an issue for the campaign".

Or... wotc could do a better job and just make it a viable playstyle in atleast a decent amount of the game like literally every other damage type

[blissful ibex]

oh you brought it up specifically, but yeah; we diddn't really have that issue

[blissful ibex]

yes, because that's how building a character to fit the world and setting works XD

[grizzled lance]

Me who wants to play a spider person

[tidal bough]

Poison is well known to be one of the worst damage types and what most of us are saying is that it should be more viable

[blissful ibex]

if you pick poison damage in a module that is showing you nothing but undead, that's a player issue

[tidal bough]

SEE, THIS WOULD BE SO GOOD

[grizzled lance]

I’m saying the condition should be changed

Even if it’s not immune to the damage there’s an even higher chance that’s its immune to the condition

[tidal bough]

Its a wotc issue if theyre adding a damage type that is ineffective without a way to make it useful

[blissful ibex]

reflavor Dhampir

[grizzled lance]

Dhampiers have resistance to necrotic and why exactly should I have that?

[tidal bough]

Alternatively you can push it off to dms as an issue for them to make it more viable but that realistically shouldn't be a dm problem to fix something that doesnt work in the original game

[blissful ibex]

the way to make it useful is to use it in settings and against enemies that aren'y blanket protected; outside of a few creature types, it's actually not all that common

[blissful ibex]

they have spiderclimb
it's not perfect but it's mechanically closer to what you're wanting to do

yes, but you need to find an item for it at that point; this lets you do it on the species level which was what you were asking about in the first place

[tidal bough]

Anyways ive said my piece, poison should be better, or atleast gave a way to work better, also willow if I were to say anything, reflavored centaur for something like a drider or a thrikreen could be good as well

[grizzled lance]

An uncommon item isn’t a huge ask at level 3

Also spiders have webs the ability to not be effected by said weapons etc etc

[blissful ibex]

it is at some of the tables I've played at

[grizzled lance]

More then just “look at this funny vampire race”

[stiff gull]

Hellloo

[grizzled lance]

I’m also not a huge fan of the “new” dhampier cause it looks like a human and I hate humans

VH or otherwise

[blissful ibex]

issue is we don't really have anything closer within the official options

[grizzled lance]

Thri kreen

[stiff gull]

"I hate humans" says the microwave

[blissful ibex]

spiders =/= insects

[grizzled lance]

Close enough

[blissful ibex]

and necrotic is a no go but telepathy is okay?

[stiff gull]

I'm a spider

[grizzled lance]

Yea

It’s also the only race with multiple arms

[blissful ibex]

plus, the looks don't matter if you're reflavoring a statblock; it could look like whatever you want it to look like; that's the whole point of relfavoring

[grizzled lance]

you can’t really recreate having multiple arms as a dhampier unless your using the dhampier 2014

They also have carapace

[undone rain]

Their not insects?

[blissful ibex]

Arachnids are not Insects, no

[timid anvil]

They are their own thing despite visual similiarities

[stark maple]

there more so grass hopper looking

[undone rain]

Well screw me i guess. I always thought those fellas were considered insects.

[stark maple]

i also remember reading somewhere in thri kreen lore that its not common but whenever they decided to eat other humanoids they prefer elves

[warm raptor]

thats why the fear of spiders is called Arachnophobia

[blissful ibex]

we learn something new every day c:

[undone rain]

Well i thought arachnid was just some sub race or smth

[blissful ibex]

they're basically dry aged to be fair

[undone rain]

The more you know

[stark maple]

i guess

[last yacht]

Hey y'all. Just wanted to be sure I understood this. With the 2024 wild magic sorcerer, do you roll on the wild magic table after every spell? The wording of tides of chaos is a bit confusing.

[stark maple]

wild magic has always been strange

[last yacht]

Is it okay for me to post the exact wording?

[marble lion]

I think its still very reasonable to casually include spiders in the insect group for many topics

[blissful ibex]

It says you can roll once per turn after each cast, which would imply it's optional

Your spellcasting can unleash surges of untamed magic. Once per turn, you can roll 1d20 immediately after you cast a Sorcerer spell with a spell slot.

[marble lion]

But they are definitely not actually

[warm raptor]

Yeah, when people say they’re scared of insects it usually includes spiders

[marble lion]

Or making a spider thri keen

[undone rain]

Ill just call em a bug or smth

[last yacht]

Okay. I was just being sure that you can roll on the wild magic table after each spell

[stark maple]

ah the days old wild magic where the dm had to roll instead

[marble lion]

I got news

[undone rain]

Or just spider, people usually dont say "oh look an arachnid"

[marble lion]

I will keep saying insect just like i call tomatos veg

[stark maple]

usually whenever i walk into a bar with my spiderfolk they say "ahh look a monster"

hint hint thri kreens are considered

[undone rain]

Monsters yeah

[undone rain]

Look i rolled an 8 to INT im not the smartest lol

[stark maple]

i still think that whenever new races are gonna be released that the new kobolds are gonna be the first dragon player race

for 5e i mean

[undone rain]

Im still confused as to how dragonborns are not related to dragons

[blissful ibex]

very happy to see not literally everything be humanoid

[stark maple]

reason being is cause they were made as slaves for dragon gods in lore

[blissful ibex]

They were created by Bahumut seperate from dragons, but are not themselves decended from dragons like the kobolds are

[undone rain]

Ohh that is darker then i expected

[stark maple]

yeah

[tropic plank]

A little like dogs and wolves
In a way

[stark maple]

they also just happen to look like dragons they arent exactly dragons themselves unlike there kobolds

[marble lion]

Spiders have 8 legs!

[undone rain]

Way to confuse things

[severe rampart]

Careful, it's gonna get you when you least expect it (Rolled a Nat 0 one time)

[blissful ibex]

they also had a counterpart made by Tiamat, the dragonspawn, and those were descended from dragons iirc

[undone rain]

How in the hell

[severe rampart]

Rolled a Nat 1,then my modifier was -1 so it was a Nat 0

[undone rain]

Ooof

[buoyant oar]

It's also setting dependent. Like most sexy species, depending on what setting you're in will determine what kind of origin your species has

[stark maple]

also dnd 2024 has been much more open to more making more non humanoids evidence being warforged changed to construts and Kalashtar being changed to the first official aberration

[severe rampart]

It was just in roleplay but it was funny as hell, I was playing a child character of a noble family and another party member revealed the symbol of their family, thinking I'd recognize it😭

[blissful ibex]

Rolled a nat 1 once for a 10 after modifiers, then rerolled it with inspiration for a total of like 8 or soemthing

[undone rain]

One of our dms usually makes it so dragonborns are related to the dragons to make em live longer

[severe rampart]

I was tempted to use my heroic inspiration to reroll it I was so embarrassed

[stark maple]

im pretty sure there are dragon born made by tiamat as well right?

[undone rain]

"Havent seen that symbol before in my life that shits alien to me"

[buoyant oar]

Which is funny because there is a species that is related to dragons that look like dragons that aren't Dragonborn

[severe rampart]

Their family symbol was a white circle for crying out loud

[stark maple]

dnd has half dragons you know

but the thing is half dragons dont have to be humanoid so you can have a half dragon sheep

[buoyant oar]

Half dragons are entirely responsible for this art craze of giving all Dragonborn tales where they never had them before. Because people didn't read horde of the Dragon Queen when they looked at the art of the draconic characters and thought they were just Dragonborn

[undone rain]

Ok i gotta ask how the hell does that work

[stark maple]

also its another reason why you wont find any half dragon born

[blissful ibex]

the dragonspawn except those are dragons

[stark maple]

when a dragon lays with anything expept for another dragon which is more common then you think

its because dragon born can only make other dragon born sadly

[stark maple]

so whats up with the chomatic dragon born

[undone rain]

Guess those bard memes werent over exaggerating

Concerning to say the least

[marble lion]

Thats unrelated

Colour says nothing with dragonborn

[stark maple]

tiamat made all of chomatic (evil) dragon kind did she not?

[fast latch]

What class would be the best dancer?

[blissful ibex]

dragons can inherently shapechange into humanoids and beasts

[stark maple]

bard or fighter duh

[undone rain]

Bard 100%

[marble lion]

Dragonborn are not

[severe rampart]

Dragons are overrated, go ahead and roll for persuasion on that fiend

[stoic warren]

Warlocks

Idk why but just warlocks

[marble lion]

Dragonborn are from a seperate world, and dont have the chromatic thing

[severe rampart]

Bard, I think sort of obviously?

[undone rain]

That makes me feel less concerned

[fast latch]

I understand Bard, but Fighter?

[buoyant oar]

Even better you can have half dragons that look almost entirely human. Like Elminster's Child

[stark maple]

looks at fizban's

[uncut zenith]

I’d say Bard (which specifically has a Dance subclass now) or Monk

[undone rain]

Roll persuasion on that troll

[severe rampart]

Wizard could also be up there, at least the bladesingers

[stark maple]

are you messing with me

[marble lion]

Fighter for physical stuff
Bard for spellcasting

[stark maple]

isnt there a bard called collage of dance

[marble lion]

Dragonborn had no tails back then, came from abeir not toril, were made by gods there that are seperate

[fair plinth]

Barbarians

[humble cairn]

"Nat" usually means what's on the die without modifiers.

[fast latch]

Rogue has massive Dex and Reliable Talent, I think a Rogue would dance great

[stark maple]

so tiamat didnt make dragon born

[blissful ibex]

it's why you run into them in human/dwarf/elf/etc. form sometimes
and why you should be terrified of yellow canaries

[severe rampart]

Then a dirty 0

[humble cairn]

Like rolling a 19 with a +1 modifier is not a Nat 20, Nat 20 is only when the die shows 20.

[marble lion]

I dont know if tiamat ever made dragonborn

[stark maple]

i still wanna know where the weird (gym) dragons came from

[humble cairn]

Right

[severe rampart]

"Nat" Sounds cleaner than "Dirty"... pun unintended

[stark maple]

same thing with the dragon turtle where did that thing come from

[undone rain]

Well glad to hear that atleast. Legit thought they did it in base form now that would be concerning

[blissful ibex]

Dance Bard, Bladesinger Wizard, Oath of Nobile Genies Paldin, Basically any Monk

[severe rampart]

Urizt come back here

[stark maple]

Fizban didnt make the dragon turtle and when he asked tiamat if she did she said i didnt either

[humble cairn]

College of Dance Bards innately get Advantage on rolls pertaining to dancing.

[stark maple]

so who made the damn thing

[severe rampart]

That sounds so... useless

[marble lion]

Eh you know

[humble cairn]

It's definitely a ribbon ability. The subclass itself is great.

[stark maple]

not word for word but thats a qutoe from the book of fizbans

[blissful ibex]

it's the only way to do it for perfomance (dance) checks because there's no associated tool >.>

[severe rampart]

Right okay time to play a ballerina in my next campaign

[marble lion]

So if you flavour a dex save as dancing, you get adv

Bad DM if no

[undone rain]

Break it down for the enemy

[severe rampart]

I moonwalk to dodge the enemy

[blissful ibex]

it's specifically for performance/cha checks made to dance

Dance Virtuoso. You have Advantage on any Charisma (Performance) check you make that involves you dancing.

[marble lion]

Oh shame

[severe rampart]

Rule of cool then

[humble cairn]

No, that's now how it works.

[marble lion]

Well at least you can roll an adv performance every time you dex save

[severe rampart]

Tap dance so good for the enemy they spare you

[plain lynx]

auhhh does anybody have tips for finding GMT+0 (within 1-2 hours works too ofc) games?? i feel like i've looked everywhere and i can't find anything

[marble lion]

Just to look cooler while getting no bonus to the save

[stark maple]

When you are subjected to an effect that allows you to make a Dexterity saving throw to take only half damage, you instead take no damage if you succeed on the saving throw and only half damage if you fail. If any creatures within 5 feet of you are making the same Dexterity saving throw, you can share this benefit with them for that save
"quick everyone follow my move to avoid the fire ball"

see how it says any creatures

[marble lion]

I saw a few whenever i checked, far less though so its a bit tricky to find one you actually like

[blissful ibex]

try r/lfg on reddit; see lots of games around that range on there

[severe rampart]

My brother, I'm in GMT+8 and have had no luck, I think it's best to just accept it and compromise once a week, that or you'll have to be okay with being around 5-6 hours ahead

[severe rampart]

Personally I am 14 hours ahead of... all of my DMs

[worn lagoon]

Yea

[serene jolt]

Not entirely. It's just a roleplay ability for the most part but you can have advantage on all performance checks as long as you're dancing. You can sing while dancing, you can play while dancing.

It's a great way to do roleplay checks (pertaining to performance) or even distracting some guards so your party can sneak in behind them.

[stark maple]

ive managed to get into a server that runs on tuesday friday and sunday

[plain lynx]

i've got college man, can't stay up crazy late

[stark maple]

and i can play Saturday

[serene jolt]

It's not like the adv on checks related to dancing is the only thing dancing bard gets. It's just a bonus 🤣

[severe rampart]

Weekends?

[marble lion]

College is literally the most famous time for staying up late

[blissful ibex]

good spread there; mine are all grouped up on saturday, sunday, monday at the moment q_q

[plain lynx]

UK college, not university...

[humble cairn]

I moved to the other side of the globe, so my usual 3pm Sunday games became 3am Monday games.

[severe rampart]

Went from West to East hell yeah

[serene jolt]

I can also argue it can give you advantage on intimidation as well if you roleplayed it out.

[severe rampart]

Dance so hard your enemies are scared

[stark maple]

dances harder

[marble lion]

Honestly still the same answer

[plain lynx]

i've looked & all i can find is ptp games, 18+ games, or generally anything else i'm not interested in playin

[serene jolt]

You can dance... Intimidatingly. 🤣

[stark maple]

regular show ass ability

[severe rampart]

"yeah Benson, go to the moon"

[blissful ibex]

the entire party is just one big Grease or The Outsiders reference

[serene jolt]

You might even be able to get adv on acrobatics if you dance your way out of it 🤣

There are so many ways you can work this ability into a game.

[stark maple]

the femme urge to break into a commoners house leave a bag of money and do nothing else

[severe rampart]

Unless you have an uncool DM

[serene jolt]

Well yeah, but if I had an uncool dm, I would either leave the table or bring in boring PCs.

I wouldn't give my dancing bard, Archfey Warlock, Artificer, etc to a boring dm.

[stark maple]

i do choatic evil actions sometimes but im choatic good i swear

[blissful ibex]

love abilities like that
Was playing GOOlock for a bit and loved their Psychic Spells feature but needed to swap to Fathomless as it fit the character better and let het drop 2 warlock levels

[severe rampart]

Goo?

[blissful ibex]

Great Old One Patron Warlock is commonly shortened to GOOlock

[severe rampart]

Gooplock, fantastic naming

[serene jolt]

I totally understand that. My warlock actually started as a Celestial but I did so many charms, enchantments, illusions, and such that I decided to switch to Archfey (2024). I 100% do not regret that choice at all. Archfey is hilariously fun if you're creative.

[marble lion]

I call it old warlock or great warlock to be confusing

[serene jolt]

That and her celestial patron was a Dusk Unicorn so switching to Archfey didn't change anything.

[severe rampart]

Why are warlocks the most nicknamed DnD class?
Sorlock, Bardlock, Goolock, are there any more locks?

[marble lion]

Pick any lock you like

[serene jolt]

Because warlock is a great dip.

[blissful ibex]

Fathomless is fun though; she gets a swim speed and water breathing and the spell list is actually kinda nice for the levels of it she gets

[severe rampart]

... ba dun tiss

[serene jolt]

Like for a loooot of builds.

[blissful ibex]

Create/Destroy water can actually be incredibly useful and Gust of Wind counters like 10 different spells and a bunch of enviornmental gazards

[severe rampart]

I would know, playing a bardlock and sorlock right now

[stark maple]

ive never been a fan of warlocks

[serene jolt]

Oh yeah no, I do not recommend Archfey to someone who has a DM who is boring. You need one to play into your illusions sometimes to enjoy it.

[severe rampart]

It's very fun when you can make the deity yourself

My first warlock was a primordial snake patron warlock, so I themed the build around... snakes, Yeah I know, not great for optimization but I had fun with it

[serene jolt]

I used to think warlocks were overrated and wack. Until I tried one. I'm unfortunately hooked.

[blissful ibex]

Same, The patron I have written would work for Archfey, Goolock, or Fathomless easily enough

[serene jolt]

Smart. My patron only works for Celestial and Archfey viably.

She still thinks she's a cleric though. No one has corrected her yet but she also doesn't use Eldritch blast so maybe no one ever will.

[stark maple]

if god wanted you to leave he would not have created me

[blissful ibex]

Same but mine thinks she's a druid

[severe rampart]

... That's a great Bard line, I'm taking that

[serene jolt]

It's hilarious because she's a warlock that acts like a bard but thinks she's a cleric.

Absolutely crazy.

[severe rampart]

How can one act like a Bard yet think they're a cleric?

Bards are the unholiest DnD class

[blissful ibex]

I mean she is because she's multiclassed; but having a cool book made of lichen, vines, moss, and shadows is totally a druid thing, right?

[serene jolt]

She's not the type to "seduce everyone", that's just a stereotype.

She's the kind of bard that really likes creatives. She loves art, music, etc. And she's very charismatic and charming.

[normal junco]

i mean, a god could have cleric followers, be a contract patron to a warlock, and have a paladin swear and oath to them. its not mutually exclusive. its not far fetched to have someone think they are a cleric of someone but instead actually have entered into a contract with them.

[serene jolt]

Well it would have to be a lesser deity in order to be a contract patron. I looked into this before.

[normal junco]

sometimes gods slum it

[serene jolt]

Either way, her "deity" as she refers to, is a Dusk unicorn. Not at all in the power level of a god.

[blissful ibex]

Can also add in druids then because Eldath is a lesser deity

[serene jolt]

I only know this because I was putting together a warlock who has Selune as his patron. I found out the only way to do that is through a powerful follower of Selune because gods are extremely unlikely to create a pact unless they are lesser. Selune is not a lesser goddess.

I didn't end up doing it because unfortunately he died before I was able to multiclass xD

[normal junco]

you have a point. being a god kinda means they likely don't specifically need to hire some mortal to run around to do a specific thing that the god or their followers couldn't do.

[knotty pasture]

I'd say Selune and Shar may be one of the few exceptions

[serene jolt]

Any greater God or Goddess would be a bit of an exception.

[knotty pasture]

Shar's the kind of person who would choose a former Selunite to be a Sharran cuz that means getting back at Selune where it hurts

[serene jolt]

Lessers are absolutely free game.

Anywho I'm going back to work

[knotty pasture]

Exceptions as in they're more willing than other greater god/goddess because of their rivalry

[undone rain]

Hm technically shadowheart in a way

[normal junco]

Ilmater: "I don't know, I just thought it might be neat to try out this whole Warlock patron thing. You know, see where it goes. I have plenty of Clerics, followers, and all that."

[undone rain]

I love ilmater hes based

[blissful ibex]

Ilmater warlock except the only spell is self targeted Inflict Wounds

[normal junco]

ha

[blissful ibex]

at least until you get Life Transference at level 5

[ancient dew]

I need to play an ilmater cleric at some point 🙏🏻

[normal junco]

Cyric: "Wait... this contract is binding? I actually have to give these Warlocks something as a patron? Who's idea was this?"
Asmodeus: "I specifically told you this was not a good idea. Contracts are a really big responsibility."
Cyric: "But you pretty much always lie. So I thought... I mean... There's like three hundred of them now..."
Asmodeus: facepalms "Just... allow them Eldritch Blast and that should keep them busy for a few weeks."

the spiritual weapon of my Ilmater Cleric was Ilmater's symbol. a pair of bound hands. so basically i'd be hitting people with a glowing hadoken.

[blissful ibex]

Cyric warlocks all being just completely mundane stage magicians and conmen

he can't be bothered to do actual magic so he just makes them think they're doing illusion and ecnhantment spells

[severe rampart]

A few weeks? that'll keep them busy for the rest of their life

[violet cave]

what subclass would Cyric even be as a patron

[knotty pasture]

Archfey

[normal junco]

likely not the one he said he'd be.

[undone rain]

So what is a oneshot exactly. Just a one time campaign?

[normal junco]

its something that is self contained. you bring in new characters, and don't expect to use those characters again. normally a one-shot can be done in one or two sittings, maybe a couple more. a self contained adventure instead of something sprawling a long time.

[undone rain]

Hm cool alr thanks

[normal junco]

Kobold Press has like hundreds of smaller one-shots as part of their Warlock's Lair series. some spanning a couple of hours, others expecting to span like 6 to 10 hours so multiple sittings.

they potentially could be thrown into a world, but they're meant to sit on their own. i've bought a few, entertaining.

[pearl hedge]

hello all!! excited since my campaign starts today

[fast latch]

Good for you! What’s it about?

[stark maple]

i have access to 132 of dnd beyonds books

life is good

[severe rampart]

Oh my lord, your poor bank account

[stark maple]

im looking at the old boons and oml they are laughable

like combat is how it is now but you cant use it again until a short rest

[noble pine]

What levels are list mines of panhandler

[molten pumice]

It's like a 1-5 campaign

[lavish flame]

1-5

[noble pine]

Thank you, what ability does wizards use for catnip sorry for misspelled someone ask me

[fossil hollow]

Cantrips? Same as their other spells

[humble cairn]

Can I introduce you to the Basic Rules? They're free to read online and answer a lot of these questions: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024

[noble pine]

Thank you

[undone rain]

Just that cantrips can be used whenever. No need for spellslots

[cobalt schooner]

unless the cantrip specificaly states otherwise (wizards can take spells from other classes spell list with some abilities) then its inteligence.

[burnt valley]

myowwers how do i add custom eldritch invocations in ddb?

lance of lethargy is not pickable for some reason so imma just add it as a "custom"

[harsh hollow]

Doing anything with invocations that isn't just adding existing ones to a warlock specifically is often a headache.

[fossil hollow]

I dont think there is

[tight beacon]

hello

[harsh hollow]

They added a couple 3rd party subclasses not too long ago that can use Invocations that aren't Warlocks and you can't even actually add them to the sheet because for whatever reason they seem to be hard coded to work one specific way.

[tight beacon]

im going as a monk golith to a campain what subclass do you think i should pick

[steady mantle]

Not sure if this is the right channel, but I got a question as a new DM running a oneshot - about balancing

I am running Wild Sheep Chase for 4 players tomorrow. The players are lvl 3 and they have a rare item each and a free feat. Do you think I still need to make the mobs in this oneshot easier as the oneshot is for higher levels usually? Or does the item and feat way up for that?

4 players, lvl 3, each with a rare item and free feat.

Oneshot is meant for lvl 4-5 I believe

Do I need to adjust?

[harsh hollow]

#dm-discussion might be better suited to help you out.

[steady mantle]

Thank you!

[finite crane]

hello, can I ask about rules in dnd here?

[fossil hollow]

#dnd-rules

[finite crane]

thanks!

[lavish flame]

yeah, u can ask both here and in #dnd-rules (if its particularly niche, you might need #dnd-rules )

[finite crane]

Asking there, thanks a lot ^^

[lavish ledge]

heyyy random question type thingie... would anyone have any idea on foods my character can make mid-session? hes a chef and I want to have the ongoing bit of him cooking up monster parts he finds

[wanton sorrel]

monster burgers? monster steaks? monster prime ribs? monster pasta? monster soup?

[fossil hollow]

Ask your DM

[pearl hedge]

underwater-type campaign, think waterworld-ish

[fast latch]

Oh that’s sick

Lots of 3d combat, with the ability to move up and down underwater?

[harsh hollow]

There's actually a subclass of the 3rd party Monster Hunter class based around eating monster parts and getting boosts from it, if you ever feel like exploring that idea again later.

[pearl hedge]

well we all have a swim speed and can breathe underwater-- i have a sea elf swashbuckler rogue

[fast latch]

Stew is good

Or barbecue

[burnt valley]

Medium rare tarrasque steak with pepper gravy that has a bit of owlbear fat and magical herb butter

[fast latch]

What monster is he eating right now?

[fast latch]

According to Eating The Dungeon (An amazing website full of monster recipes), Owlbear fat is gross and disgusting

[burnt valley]

its canon?

[fast latch]

No but I trust the guy writing it

I’m in his server actually

[burnt valley]

ic

[undone rain]

Siiiiick

[harsh hollow]

The natural inclination for an underwater campaign is to take things like sea elves and tritons but there's also a fair bit of room for undead because a few of the playable ones don't need to breathe.

(Old Dhampir and Reborn for example.)

[fossil hollow]

-# stares in lizardfolk 👁️

[harsh hollow]

They can just hold their breath though, the undead straight up don't need to breathe at all. x3

[serene jolt]

Look into Delicious in Dungeon. It's a super good show and might give you ideas!

[harsh hollow]

I don't think Warforged or Autognomes need to either but you might need to waterproof them first.

[serene jolt]

Water Genasi, Air Genasi, Locathath (fish person), and simic hybrid!

[harsh hollow]

I'm surprised Plasmoids need to breathe honestly, jellyfish ooze would be awesome.

[serene jolt]

Also there's a Giff, the Veldalken is fine, Tortle, Grung is okay (frog people), and Plasmoids do need to breathe but they can hold their breath for a while.

So it depends on the definition of underwater. Like if it's waterworld vibes, then creatures that can hold their breath for an hour works.

[harsh hollow]

Ah, I didn't see the Waterworld part and just assumed a fully underwater campaign.

[burnt valley]

Custom Lineage

[jovial kindle]

Where could I find a campaign that allows multiclassing?

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[halcyon forum]

I think multiclassing is allowed in most games, though sometimes DMs dont allow it if its your first time to make things simpler for newcomers

[jovial kindle]

For sure!

[steady bloom]

in my dnd campaign i do outside of school theres an npc which is with my party called bastion and i think none of us trust him

[fossil hollow]

what

[glossy otter]

context?

[umbral girder]

huh?

[glossy otter]

whatever ti is saying what to lol, I thought this was a conga line of no context

[umbral girder]

That is what I am asking as well. Yes.

[fossil hollow]

can you explain a bit more please

[hexed slate]

I had a player recommended me some proposed 5.5e ranger changes, and they seem decent. Thinking of implementing them but want to get other thoughts:

Lv1 Favoured Foe

Now when HM is cast with this feature has the option of being cast without requiring concentration, and with the ability to retarget whenever you make an attack, but with an only one minute duration.

Lv2 Deft Explorer also has the benefits of lv6 roving

Lv6 new feature that makes Hunter's mark spells you cast apply to the attacks of all allies within 30ft when you cast the spell.

Lv10 Tireless now needs a bonus action for the temp hp and has unlimited uses

Lv13 now allows wis mod extra targets for hunter's mark whenever it is cast, and increases damage to 2d6.

Lv17 also now increases damage to 3d6 and works with lv6.

Lv20 now increases damage to 4d6 and once per long rest when you hit a marked target, you reduced it to 0hp instead of dealing damage.

[fossil hollow]

#homebrew

[hexed slate]

Good point

Forgot about that channel

[undone rain]

Is eldritch knight any good?

[halcyon forum]

yes

[naive cedar]

all gish classes are goated

[fast latch]

It’s good

[hexed slate]

It's ok. Good for a fighter subclass.

[undone rain]

They do seem pretty good. Some light spellcasting and can still be a frontliner

[real epoch]

Yess

[glossy otter]

Ngl I'm conflicted for a passion project campaign I want to do later down the road. It's going to be another horror campaign but idk if I want to go Spelljammer, Drakkenheim or have it set in Lamordia

[glossy otter]

I suppose in the attempts to jumpstart this chat, I shall bring a hot take: We need more horror in dnd

[brave pebble]

i just ran a horror one shot with a false hydra, it was pretty fun

all the players were new

[glossy otter]

I heard a few tales with a false hydra, though with a new party? damn

[brave pebble]

obviously i made sure that it was still fun and not too hard

it isnt that hard to run imo

[glossy otter]

Ye, thats fair

[brave pebble]

but i agree, horror one shots are super cool to run

[trail wave]

rip, my dm tried to run a one shot in a "locked in a haunted house" scenario, we're on our third session. 😭

[hidden drift]

oof

[hazy spire]

He enters the server with a smirk, but there's someting off about that smirk.

he doesn't seem all put together. You watch in disgust.

((is there a chatroom where you can just randomly roleplay))

I don't want to break rools otherwise

[hidden drift]

What happened?

[brave pebble]

son 😭 😭

[hazy spire]

papa?

[violet basin]

who just joins a server like that

[fossil hollow]

Not the place to RP

[brave pebble]

im crine

[hazy spire]

oh damn. ok. what do you think about this though holds up lantern

[violet basin]

Cringe Meter broke.

[hazy spire]

do you think the moth will react

damn 🙁 ok ok

[fossil hollow]

There is a better light outside. Its called the Sun. I have no need for other lights

[stark maple]

i just found out that the giant fly statblock is a magic item which is why it cant attack its purely a mount
Ebony Fly (Rare). This ebony statuette is carved in the likeness of a horsefly. It can become a giant fly for up to 12 hours and can be ridden as a mount. Once it has been used, it can’t be used again until 2 days have passed.

[hazy spire]

fineeee. is there a chatroom in this server for just random chaos?

[violet basin]

There's also a better light inside, it's called my computer monitor.

[fossil hollow]

No

[hazy spire]

damn ok. I'll try the next one and come back here respectful. Valentine's day is hard yk

[stark maple]

does that mean you can still summon it with the find familier spell?

[hidden drift]

Im so confused

[fossil hollow]

you can, but your DM might not allow it

[stark maple]

strange

[pearl ruin]

My DM for a new campaign just started it off by saying “you are in a tavern when you are ambushed and shot twice by muskets” before I even said something or made I decision my character had died.

[violet basin]

i like your DM already

[violet sparrow]

why?

Did they elaborate

[pearl ruin]

I do not know. All I know is that they are new and play with a lot of homebrew

[burnt valley]

So they aren't playing dnd

[glad arch]

So what happened after

[violet sparrow]

I mean maybe they were doing a resurrection plot but still. I would discuss that at session 0 personally

[pearl ruin]

Yes it was essentially just we got ambushed and then they started shooting us

[glad arch]

Did it tie in to the plot at all or just new character

[pearl ruin]

Nope. Just died, when I said that I wasn’t going to play if I just died they said that they would let me live but by that point I was kind of just done

[burnt valley]

Cast find greater table

[north hawk]

New DM's are tough to play with. On one hand they have to learn to dm somehow, but on the other hand I don't want to play with new DM's lol.

[burnt valley]

Its a DM on a power trip

[pearl ruin]

The DM said they had a lot of experience but I don’t think they were playing real d&d as they didn’t follow almost any rules and even had a homebrew leveling system

[fossil hollow]

yikes

[north hawk]

Yeah that doesn't sound like a good game.

[glad arch]

Theres new dm mistakes and bad dm mistakes

[burnt valley]

They will love a wargame or ADND

[glad arch]

This isnt a whoopsie i didnt know that rule. This is just being pointlessly mean

[proper forum]

My first dm killed the entire party over the course of like 2 months. I was the only one who survived. And I was the healbot cleric.

[brave pebble]

i think it has more to do with new dms thinking is them vs players when in reality dnd is about telling a story together

[pearl ruin]

It ended with me teaching the dm to play which was pretty weird because he proceeded to tell me the entire plot that we had not played and how he planned to do everything and asked if it was ok, which the actual plot was but he still spoiled it

[glad arch]

Theres situations where you might want your players dead, e.g. one of those fight trough hell to get back to life plots. Even those you shouldnt kill your players for but id atleast understand it. If you just die without any input or dice rolls and its not even narritvly relevant whats the point

[brave pebble]

thats bad dming, if youre going for a plot like the one you mentioned you need to let your players know beforehand imo

[pearl ruin]

I know, I hadn’t said anything, if he wanted a plot where we run from something that would be fine but why am I taking 2d12 off rip?

He is better now and is learning but he still has some interesting decisions

[violet sparrow]

Exactly, session 0 exists for a reason

[glad arch]

I usually hear those kind of plot hooks after a tpk, instead of killing your party so it can happen

[brave pebble]

i guess that works too, but ive never had a tpk

[violet sparrow]

And i personally will only run a come back from hell plot if the entire table agrees on after a tpk or most of the party dying

[undone rain]

Ok so im trynna make a fighter in dnd as an eldritch knight with the noble background and i want him to be a noble that was stripped from his title by his family and he wishes to reclaim it. Only thing is i need to find a reason as to why he was stripped of it

[glad arch]

#character-discussion

[violet sparrow]

#character-discussion , maybe they didn't see him as worthy?

[brave pebble]

i personally dislike those kinds of plots but if i were ever to run one id let them know beforehand

[pearl ruin]

Yeah, later he made us fight a 450 ho boss at level 3 because he said agonizing blast is to good

[undone rain]

Mayhaps

[violet sparrow]

Yeah that's just

[brave pebble]

find a new dm bro 😭

[glad arch]

Man i would not stay long at this guys games 😂

[violet sparrow]

Yikes

[glad arch]

450hp at lvl 3 thats an entire session just fighting the one guy

[undone rain]

Gawdamn

You think thats enough hp?

[brave pebble]

how many ppl were playing?

[undone rain]

After killing that yall better level up like 4 times from that alone

[violet sparrow]

Agonizing blast will add like+3 or +4 damage at level 3. Its good but not enough to justify fighting a 450 hp enemy at level 3

Hell nothing is

[slow jewel]

Just played my first dnd session, my character is now in the possession of a bag of holding full of some magical badger-creating liquid

[pearl ruin]

Just me and another friend were playing

[glad arch]

I dont think anything with 450hp is justifiable even for full optimiser parties lmao

[pearl ruin]

And he was dm

[glad arch]

2 players 1 dm?

[pearl ruin]

Yes

[violet sparrow]

That sounds super cool, how'd you get your hands on the bag of holding?

[brave pebble]

whenever i want players to fight monsters with a ton of hp, i make the monster flee whenever it hits a certain ho treshold and next time they encounter it the hp is carried over

[brave pebble]

rip

[fossil hollow]

damn, the monster never took a long rest?

[pearl ruin]

Very small party

[undone rain]

Especially not for level 3

[pearl ruin]

To his credit he did realize the fight was to hard and implemented a mechanic where we could damage it by smashing pillars

[slow jewel]

We were gambling and a bunch of npcs bet magical items so that's how i got the empty bag of holding

The badger-creating liquid was a side quest and putting it in the bag was the best idea i had at the moment

[violet sparrow]

Reasonable. I am writing a kraken summoning plot. If i ever run this campaign. I am NOT having them fight the entire kraken. Maybe the tentacles and that's if the kraken is actually summoned. I will give them a bunch of chances to stop that

[pearl ruin]

Doing 1d20 each

[burnt valley]

Its fishable if they're a melee specialist

[crystal nest]

I am curious about the "badger-creating liquid"

[violet sparrow]

winning a magical item by gambling is actually fantastic

[pearl ruin]

I like the concept as well

[brave pebble]

i like to run big siege monsters as if they were elder dragons in old monster hunter games. instead of killing it you can repel it and encounter it another time

[hazy spire]

he came up to you, looking you dead in the eye, and he knew you were his only hope.

"please, I don't think I can go on much longer."

[glad arch]

See now that kind of stuff is interesting dm'ing

It just shouldnt be the cop out of his shitty initial decision

[violet sparrow]

A battlefield you can interact with is always great

[hazy spire]

fr, what chat can we continue innn

he looked up at the small creature, limping, and hoping for one last chance at life.

[pearl ruin]

Yeah but it did help a little

[hazy spire]

Who wants the buddy cop roleplay

[pearl ruin]

At least a little bit clever to justify his initial decision with the boss

[hazy spire]

because starsky and hutch, is in the chamber

All tasks at hand have been accomplished,.

[fossil hollow]

dude

[inner silo]

Hi guys! Are the mastermind/inquisitive rogue subclasses good?

[burnt valley]

I cast Banishment then maintain concentration for the full duration to send you back to the HH server

[hazy spire]

idk how far I trust a f(r)iend

[violet sparrow]

I remember my first campaign, we were fighting a dude in a tavern. There was this little bonfire close. The artificer threw me some oil which i put on my sword. So i could light up my sword with flames for like one attack

[glad arch]

You get shot by a musket twice and now died /j

[fossil hollow]

Again, not the place to RP. There is not an RP channel in here. Youre better off finding a dedicated RP server

[hazy spire]

NOOOOOooooooo 🙁

[burnt valley]

No, they are still Commoners

[hazy spire]

can I roll a d20

before I'm banish'ed

[violet sparrow]

Definitely not RAW but very fun

[inner silo]

Damn

[burnt valley]

I gave you a 1 cuz im a Divination Wizard now pls stop

[hazy spire]

ok ok ok sorri

I get it, I'm chopp'ed, go hard. continue

[glad arch]

Coming off a bit mean here but this generally isnt the server to roleplay on. Im sure if you look around a bit online you could find a more suitable enviroment to continue in

[hazy spire]

I understan

[glad arch]

Every server serves its purpose and roleplay is just not one of the services here

[hazy spire]

I went into other threads papa. I get it

but I still wanna support this server!'

[slow jewel]

We don't know how it came to be but there was an npc screaming, so we came to help, and there were a ton of confused badgers in the room, they were on the table trying to get away from them and asking us to do something about those, the npc was saying they came from the cauldron, so we tried to put one back in, but a new badger appeared, so i was like let's dump the liquid into my new shiny bag of holding and figure out what to do with it later

[hazy spire]

I understand immediately!

HELP ME CHAT, WE"RE GONNA STAND ON THE LID OF THIS CAULDRON

[crystal nest]

Does the DM mind if I steal this idea?

[inner silo]

What are the best detective/spy subclasses?

[violet sparrow]

This is amazing

[hazy spire]

@crystal nest roll for sleight of hand lmao

[slow jewel]

Let me ask them rq

[burnt valley]

Bard lul

[violet sparrow]

You have an infinite supply of badgers.

[hazy spire]

this is really funny

[glad arch]

Bag of badgers

[reef copper]

Mastermind rogue, whisper bard comes to my mind

[hazy spire]

20g bag of badgers

[inner silo]

Oki

[slow jewel]

They said you can :]

[inner silo]

Thanks!

[slow jewel]

I do.
I'm not sure what to do with this power yet

[glad arch]

Become the badger lord

[crystal nest]

Thank you!

[glad arch]

Let an enemy drink some of the badger liquid

[long swift]

can anyone get me the encounter difficulty table pls?

[violet sparrow]

An Army. Of Badgers.

Conquer.

[long swift]

i saw it yesterday but cant find again

[fossil hollow]

dancing badgers?

[violet sparrow]

possibly.

Make money first from dancing badger shoes?

[slow jewel]

that has some body horror potential i love that

[inner silo]

Can help action be used on yourself?

[slow jewel]

yes

[violet sparrow]

Then from that money get badger sized armor and weapons

Then you have one step left

Conquer

[fossil hollow]

no

[inner silo]

Oki

[hazy spire]

I will help you

[severe rampart]

Probably not I reckon

[hazy spire]

roll twice baby. This stumbling fool will help

[inner silo]

That would've made mastermind rogue lowkey op

[burnt valley]

Use an arbitrary amount of badgers to focus fire one target

[severe rampart]

Too bad you can't help yourself... ba dun tiss

[hazy spire]

you used 30% of your badgers and god is looking at you

[burnt valley]

One of them will inevitably crit

[glad arch]

And then still do like 5 damage lol

Actually badgers dont even get crit damage lmao, they deal a flat 1 damage

[violet sparrow]

One badger doesn't do much. But many badgers...

[burnt valley]

Mind you that this is potentially 1500+ doing the same attack

It can snowball fast to triple or quadruple digits

[glad arch]

You can fit max 32 badgers around a small/medium enemy

This isnt the great tactic yall think it is

[long swift]

wtf. some sources say a cr 17 is deadly for a party of 6 level 15 while others say itd have to be 2/3 total party level (which then would be 60)

[hazy spire]

what do you do with the 33rd badger

he's BARKING loudly and your hiding from the villainous Knights

[violet sparrow]

Can you stack multiple badgers in an armor suit to make a knight out or badgers

[glad arch]

Put it further away to replace badger #16 when it dies

[hazy spire]

LMFAO

[inner silo]

My level 4/5 party fought a couple of cr10 enemies and we destroyed them

[burnt valley]

They have no AOEs, it will get ran over

[fossil hollow]

CR and encounter difficulty is a baseline for difficulty. As the stronger the party are, the more effective monsters they can take on a day. You dont need one big combat to be difficult, you can have multiple fights leading up to it

[glad arch]

Fair enough, just will take a while lol

[burnt valley]

Yes

[hazy spire]

oh my god can we have a tiny role play chat this is so peak

[burnt valley]

Wrong, CR is an inaccurate metric for encounter difficulties

[hazy spire]

/roll 1d20

[glad arch]

You could try #server-feedback but im like 99% sure this topic has been discussed and denied before

Bit of discord searching will probably find you the reason they didnt do it as well

[fossil hollow]

its not inaccurate, its misused

[atomic kayak]

(I am also unsure as to how any sources are saying that a single CR 17 monster is deadly for 6 level 15s. That follows none of the math)

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, thats like, a Moderate fight

[hazy spire]

@glad arch thank

[burnt valley]

Fish in mind a Tier 2 Lvl 8 party can deal with a Balor or two

[atomic kayak]

No, its an easy fight

[hazy spire]

its such a long wait but I will

[fossil hollow]

Oh yeah, thats a Trivial fight in 2024

[inner silo]

Does the ranger class have to be a nature guy?

[atomic kayak]

no

[fossil hollow]

i reccomend using Kobold Fight Club for a more accurate reading reccomended by the official rules

[fossil hollow]

you can easily be a merc or bounty hunter

[glad arch]

No class has to be anything. Your cleric doesnt have to be a goddy guy. Just needs slightly more tought as to why they got divine powers

[burnt valley]

Here's to challenge a mid op Lvl 15 party: 4 Star Spawn hulks and 2 lesser star spawn emissaries

[inner silo]

Alrighty, thanks!

[fossil hollow]

i ran that against level 10, they demolished them before they can do anything

[burnt valley]

No flavor is free

[fossil hollow]

no psychic damage either to trigger, so

[inner silo]

Send 10 maruts at them

[burnt valley]

They didn't psychic orb the hulks?

[fossil hollow]

No? They got fireball

[atomic kayak]

anyway. CR is based on a few factors on an overview level. Vs any average random party for one thing (ie: not assuming anything about any of the characters other than level. No builds, optimization, classes, etc). A single monster for another. And 4 PCs.

[burnt valley]

I mean the star spawn emissaries

[fossil hollow]

cant even take a turn. I actually had two mind flayers

[long swift]

basically im planning on either a hard encounter followed by a deadly boss or 2 medium encounters followed by a hard boss and idk what cr to do them (also they will level up after each boss and so will the other bosses)

[glad arch]

Marut my beloved

[fossil hollow]

I reccomend checking out the 2024 DMG or Kobold Fight Club to get a first read on each encounter's difficulty

[glad arch]

Gotta love doing a flat 60 damage

[inner silo]

Best punisher for murder hobos

[fossil hollow]

its almost like a party can and will optimize initiative and surprise too

[burnt valley]

Its a party of full casters?

[atomic kayak]

And the #1 reason a lot of people think it doesn't "work" is because a lot of people assume that a monster of CR = party level is meant to be a "difficult" encounter for the party.

By design, an encounter of CR = party level is meant to be on the easiest end of difficulty for the party. Which is exactly what it does.

Aka like 90% of the most common "issues" with CR are from misalignment of expectations with the stated goals of CR.

[long swift]

danke. is it 5e or 5.5(or does it even matter)?

[fossil hollow]

At the time, it was:
cleric, EK, wizard oh and warlock and sorc

[burnt valley]

Yeah that explains it

[fossil hollow]

it can do both 2014 and 2024

just go to settings

[atomic kayak]

iirc the encounter math is largely the same between 2014 and 2024 books, its just the categorization of encounter difficulties has changed?

oh that reminds me

[fossil hollow]

theyre level 15 now, with some artifacts and last ended off going up against Sammaster's both forms

[fossil hollow]

the numbers got bumped a bit iirc, since they no longer do the multiplier for multiple enemies

[atomic kayak]

CR also very intentionally does not account for any actual aspects of the encounter. Whether that be things like battlefield or goals of the party or how specific abilities from the monster might interact with one of those.

Stuff like "the enemies all start in a spot with cover from the party" is something that does affect the final "math" of the encounter but is not a part of any calculations because that sort of thing is incredibly nebulous and can change in practically every scenario.

[fossil hollow]

aye, encounter building is less of an exact science and is a baseline. Making encounters for your party is an art

[atomic kayak]

aka tldr: CR is (by design and by statement) the baseline for an encounter. Not the be all end all

[lost flicker]

could Storm Giants hypothetically be a good stand in for the concept of a Laestrygonian

man-eating giants descended from Laestrygon, child of Gaia and Poseidon

[brave pebble]

imo a good encounter is hard because of its circumstances, not the monsters themselves

[bronze wave]

I think its a mix of both

[atomic kayak]

Theres a lot of things that can make an encounter good

[bronze wave]

A boss monster should still be able to be a challenge, if every single monster needs smth to help it stand a chance, eh that monster is pretty weak imo

The boss monster should still be the star of the show it’s the boss

[atomic kayak]

As a general rule of thumb for myself, I don't do solo monsters unless they are at least PC Level x 1.5

[lost flicker]

when you sculpt something you often take a big lump of material- clay for this example, and carve it down as you see fit, but it'd be needless for you to take like.. a 3ft^2 of clay if you're making a figure meant to fit on a shelf, using CR and XP budgets isn't creating the figure, it's just giving an estimate on how much clay to use

[atomic kayak]

(Provided I want it to not be a cleanly easy encounter)

[brave pebble]

yeah, i obviously run some normal encounters too, but most of the time the fun part is being in fights that arent just dps races

[bronze wave]

I think it’s both, legendary actions and monster effects are fun to have

I made a fun one based off the gyrmforge recently from bg3

[lost flicker]

I've started scaling homebrew monsters with legendary actions (boss monsters) for their DPR to be as though they didn't have those legendary actions- helps with the action economy i've found, makes encounters feel like you're fighting multiple creatures

[brave pebble]

whenever i find a mosnter too simple i add extra ways to win or fail. when monster are more complex i dont

just my preference

[burnt valley]

4 Cloud Giants auto win if they win initiative

[bronze wave]

Add in a bit of stuff from a boss from E33

[lost flicker]

nah

[bronze wave]

Granted the party is on Fl1 and this boss is in fl10 and there’s a mini boss between them so it’s a whike

[brave pebble]

my players auto lose if they piss me off

[atomic kayak]

BG3 does a good job in a lot of regards about demonstrating good encounter design (even accounting for the mechanics changes between it and the tabletop)

Perhaps more importantly, it does a good job of showing off varied encounter design (environment, number of monsters [showing off fights with large numbers is one of my favorite things it does], etc). And how levels of rest can very dramatically affect different fights. The average party generally can go into all of them on relatively equal footing.

Ik some people will argue about optimization and stuff with them and how none are "actually challenging" but theres a whole load of factors that make that sort of argument not very valid ("you don't know what is coming in the tabletop" being chief among them)

[marble lion]

fights with large numbers in bg3 is one of the reasons i dont replay it

everytime i have to watch 15 goblins take their useless charge turn one by one with waiting animation for decision making etc, i die a little inside

the big fights feel like you did something wrong and its not intended to go this way tbh

[naive cedar]

I like strategy games so I personally enjoyed BG3s fights a lot

[tawdry sentinel]

The second to last bit right at the end with the airstrikes and unlimited spawning enemies was a right slog.

[lavish flame]

reallllll

[naive cedar]

I think the one fight that actively annoyed me was ||the one with Isobel. Her AI is Bethesda tier||

[wooden cedar]

Hey guys, I'm currently getting into the whole devils and demons lore and I have a few questions

Now this might be a difficult question to answer, but in general, which creatures are considered more "powerful" and intelligent?

[feral fulcrum]

Intelligence varies wildly, and more of a person-to-person basis, rather then being more Species based. But you could probably just go by their statblocks to see which Fiends trend to being more smart/cunning

[bronze wave]

Doesn’t matter I’d say, both can be very smart and competent. Inverse can also be true

I’d make it fit the setting

[wooden cedar]

Say I'm making a tiefling of noble origins, who's family is all about conquest (exactly like noxus from league of legends) would it make more sense for them to be devils (infernal) or demons (abyssal)?

[worldly flare]

#dnd-lore is probs a better place for this

[wooden cedar]

Ah okay, thanks

[feral fulcrum]

Don't quote me on it, but I think the vast majority, if not all, Tieflings are Devil related, rather then Abyssal.

[naive cedar]

Nah there’s abyssal tieflings

I believe devil related ones are the most common though

[wooden cedar]

Yeah I do think so as well, but I'm stuck on what I should choose for my character

I love the whole devil and asmodeus stuff, but I want to know more about the other two

And how exactly they differ, especially as different realms

So the abyssal or cthonic realms, as compared to the nine hells

[potent vector]

Abyss was made by Aberrant power being thrown into the churning Inner Planes, by a mad God spiked with it by the gods of the Far Realm (trying to get him to corrupt the Astral Plane iirc?)

Demons are the corrupted celestials who set up a nine layer defense to keep it bottled up (AKA, the Nine Hells)

[wooden cedar]

So demons created the nine hells?

[potent vector]

Celestials. Who eventually were corrupted by the influence of the Abyss

And became Devils

Demons are from the Abyss

[wooden cedar]

so celestials created the nine hells to bottle up the power of the abyss?

I just want to make sure I'm understanding this all correctly

[bronze wave]

Def a dnd lore question

[lavish flame]

The Nine Hells and the Abyss are two seperate planes, they only interact via fighting in a war against each other (The Blood War)

[potent vector]

Originally more of a vault

Thankfully they still hate each other

[wooden cedar]

So, from a geographic point of view, could we say the abyss is below the nine hells, or the nine hells surround it?

[lavish flame]

they have no geographic relevance to one another

[fossil hollow]

Depends on which cosmology you rely on, but there is no hard geography for the lower plane's locations

[potent vector]

Ack, Planear stuff, not entirely sure lol. Above is prob safe bet, but it is an entire dimension lol, so not exactly?

[fossil hollow]

the cosmologies are just mortal representations of the multiverse

[potent vector]

Yeah, they just kinda. Line up?

[fossil hollow]

In the great wheel, the Hells and Abyss are on opposite ends of the lower planes, since theyre the planes of Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil repesctively

[potent vector]

Ack. Gotta stack 150 trays. Before I go, just wanna say it's funny how it's basically a proxy war between Celestials and Aberrants from the far realm.

[fast latch]

Good luck, DaHo

[feral fulcrum]

It's honestly more of an Eternal Turf War more then anything.

[wooden cedar]

So, say a royal family (either devils or demons) have a kingdom that is very big on conquest, is such a kingdom more likely to be located in the nine hells or abyss?

[fossil hollow]

depends on the setting

[hot marlin]

Equally likely.

[fossil hollow]

Gods of Conquest exist too

[wooden cedar]

Ooh, gods of conquest?

[fossil hollow]

and they dont all live in the Abyss or Hells. Ares lives in Olympia

[cold marlin]

Hi! I'm new to D&D only played three games so far spread out over the last three-ish years. but I was wondering if anyone knows of any D&D groups here on Discord to join that are easy for beginners and LGBTQ+ friendly? I can't handle the overstim of doing D&D nights at my local irl game store because of the overlap of the multitude of groups in the same area but i really want to get back into D&D and have something fun to look forward to.

[fossil hollow]

I dont remember where Tempus and Red Knight reside

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[naive cedar]

theres also cthonic tieflings

descendents of yugolaths

[fossil hollow]

im saying that a nation dedicated to conquest can have ties to any or no extraplanars

[wooden cedar]

yeah, those are the most mysterious to me since I know the least about them

[cold marlin]

thank you!

[hot marlin]

What is conquest? Is it conquistador style conquest where you basically destroy civilisation, inflict every kind of atrocity on the population, ask to meet the leaders for a peace meeting then murder everyone in that meeting, and spread diseases to deliberately destroy the civilian population?

[wooden cedar]

Ah okay, so I assume I now have to choose based on aesthetics

[fossil hollow]

Or dogma