dnd-discussion

[rough basalt]

Thuird

[marble lion]

Would i pay someone to cook me food? Yes
I wouldnt pay someone to sit down and have dinner with me

Dnd is inbetween those 2 imo

[hushed mason]

But there are people that pay someone to accompany them to dinner.

[rough basalt]

Because drawing art takes effort and it's okay to be rewarded for effort

[fossil hollow]

Barbarian, Cleric, and Fighter are the three most common ones for me

[dusk crescent]

I'm not inherently against paid games but you REALLY gotta be able to sell me on it when I could alternatively just get some buddies together for casual D&D and have plenty of fun that way for free

[rough basalt]

That's why paid Tabletop games are a thing

[marble lion]

I implore you to please not forget i never told anyone they shouldnt do it and said it was fine

No

[rough basalt]

One person is putting in regular work and spending money to provide you with something

[marble lion]

Please read my statement again

[rough basalt]

It's not wrong to want paid for that as long as you're open about it.

[marble lion]

I told you why i dont wanna be in paid games

I never said dont do it. That was another guy, who i disagreed with

[dusk crescent]

Making D&D campaigns is a hobby for most people, and people spend money to indulge in their hobbies even if it's not likely they'll make the money back

[rough basalt]

Also it's not like paid games take away the personal aspect.
Urizt has players that have bought him more books as gifts than he's bought himself iirc which is something you do for someone you enjoy being around.

[marble lion]

Being a dm myself, i know how much effort it is
And i could see myself doing paid games

[marble lion]

Which i wouldnt do either
Again, i only shared that i wouldnt wanna do it

[dusk crescent]

I don't do paid games because the moment I start treating things like there's money on the line, my craft is gonna suffer for it

[hushed mason]

That's fair. I don't want to pay for games, either. It's valid, though, to do so.

[marble lion]

Yup

[lavish flame]

I used to do paid DMing, 15USD per player per session, weekly. It was admittedly a pretty solid method of getting money, but for unrelated reasons, it was very unfulfilling. Paid D&D doesn't really get rid of terrible players.

[dusk crescent]

It really doesn't

[rough basalt]

Yeah it only gets rid of some

Paid games also have their own problem player types

[marble lion]

I just saw the menu
This reminds me of it

[acoustic plover]

can you tell me them?

[dusk crescent]

You kinda just get rid of broke people when you do paid games

[rough basalt]

People who believe cause they're a paying customer they can do what they want and you are to obey them.

[dusk crescent]

^^^^^

[rough basalt]

This is a general problem with any service tho, not just paid tabletop

[acoustic plover]

i am never trying that then

[marble lion]

Its a possibility, not a constant guarantee woah there lol

[dusk crescent]

God, the raising of expectations would be absolutely soul crushing

[rough basalt]

It's not always gonna happen, just like all other problem player types

[acoustic plover]

fair, but im equally already tired of the current types, i find the delayed ghost types

[dusk crescent]

I already have confidence issues providing a free experience for my players, imagine if they were paying money in order to play in my games

[rough basalt]

A Paid GM also has more incentive to immediately smite bad players to protect their game.

[dusk crescent]

A regular GM can also just do that if they have the guts for it

[hushed mason]

My guts are improving!

[rough basalt]

Yeah but when money is on the line, it can increase the likelihood of casting the Guts spell

[dusk crescent]

And the issue is that the same line of thinking could wind up applying to a lot of other things as well

[rough basalt]

Not guaranteed tho.
Some paid dms are gutless like a lot of free dms

[acoustic plover]

bro, i hate the members who claim they can make your game, go through the whole process of joining, and then magically leave without any explanation. They like don't even leave the server, they just sit there, and you can SEE them online and do and say nothing

[dusk crescent]

Kinda just sounds like a ticking time bomb

[marble lion]

Weird

[rough basalt]

An incompatible group is basically a ticking time bomb

[marble lion]

Ive never seen ghosting like that

[acoustic plover]

oh it exist, they join, make it for like one day, and magically become busy, never the same reason either

[rough basalt]

Yeah it happens

[lavish flame]

I just ran the game the way I usually do. In my mind, D&D is a game that involves people dying or otherwise having horrible stuff happen to them (acid, fire, the works). Nobody ended up dying, though people got close (Baldur's Gate Descent Into Avernus is tough). One of them permenantly lost a leg, but... they had it coming lol.

I'm always worried about upsetting my players, but it wasn't any more when they were paying. There was upsetting content in the game, but none of it seemed to alienate any players.

[dusk crescent]

they certainly do exist

[marble lion]

Oh well thats different, i thought they just ghost but stay in, not make excuses

[rough basalt]

Ghosting is probably the most common issue.

[acoustic plover]

look, im fine with it in a few cases but like, EVERY time though

[undone rain]

And one of the most annoying issues

[rough basalt]

A lot of people like the idea of dnd more than actually playing it

True.

[marble lion]

Ghosting used to be romantic

[lavish flame]

I think this is unfathomably real

[marble lion]

Stop calling it ghosting
Instead call it being mysterious and somber

[rough basalt]

Ditching is a viable word

[acoustic plover]

i prefer direct communication then a somber approach to being a member

[worn lagoon]

I liked DnD better when my experience with it was my first and favorite campaign and it only went down in each subsequent disaster.

[marble lion]

Sigh noone appreciates the old times

[hushed mason]

I do! I play 3.5 🙂

[rough basalt]

I've had a lot of wastes of time for campaigns but now I just have zero tolerance at least

[lavish flame]

Ask 5 people this, you'll get 6 different answers

[rough basalt]

Moment the DM is having the Bandit hit on the female player midfight I'm out. No more sticking around.

[acoustic plover]

i have learned from my ex that with enough time, you can make a campaign about just about anything, he managed to make bowling and dead by daylight into 5e

[marble lion]

When wordlessly disappearing one day was still appreciated

I dont know the specific date really

[lavish flame]

Old Times might be 2014 5e. Old Times might be Chainmail+Wilderness Survival+ D&D. Old Times might be 3e/3.5

[rough basalt]

I miss the old times, when it was just the 2024 PHB /j

[acoustic plover]

i started with 5e, can't relate, i respect the past though

[rough basalt]

3.5e scares me

[acoustic plover]

valid

[dusk crescent]

I really wanna try 4e at some point

Cause most things I hear about it make it sound up my alley actually

[rough basalt]

Hilariously enough, it's the child we keep taping back into the family photo

[dusk crescent]

nobody seems to hate 4e more than Wotc themselves

[hushed mason]

Scares you how?

Poor 4e. I have the books. Never played.

[rough basalt]

2024 actually used some of 4e for it

The weapon masteries were level 1 at will martial powers for example.

[hushed mason]

I'm very close to finally learning 5e. I want to be a player, and I just can't find a 3.5e game that isn't some kind of twisted homebrew/mutant child of PF1.

[fossil hollow]

posted another listing for a game , cant wait to see who replieds and actually reads lmao

[hushed mason]

A 3.5e game?! 😄

[fossil hollow]

nah

[hushed mason]

Oh, we talked about this already. You didn't want to learn it.

[rough basalt]

4e has been a very influential system for the current day of tabletop games

[dusk crescent]

people looked back and realized 4e was good actually it seems

[livid brook]

what are some other decent spells for ranged attackers? i.e faeri fire/clairvoyance

[dusk crescent]

Like most of the time I bring up homebrew rules with my friends who know 4e on how to improve some parts of 5e, they usually end up telling me my change is basically just something 4e did and was reverted in 5e

[acoustic plover]

seems like a lot to bend my brain to given i only know 5e

[rough basalt]

The new DnD design team said "4e fixes this" when they made 2024.
MCDM said "4e was always peak" and made Draw Steel
Darrington Press said "4e helps this" and made Daggerheart.
Massif Press said "4e builds this" and made Lancer
Paizo said "we made 3.75e so let's make 4.PathfinderE" and Pathfinder 2e

[vapid cave]

is there a reason i cant login with twitch anymore?

[lavish flame]

If you didn't mention it, I would've. LANCER is basically just 4e with mech suits

[dusk crescent]

And Lancer is also something that's been on my "must play" list for a while now

[lavish flame]

I think DDB and Twitch ended some partnership or something. The DDB Twitch Extension was shut down a while back.

[vapid cave]

ok then i need to look how im gonna get back into my account

[marble lion]

Damn id love to join but cant

[lavish flame]

Admittedly, I don't know how a campaign of LANCER would actually play out. I only ever did a one-shot, but it seems like the kinds of stories you are expected to tell in that game are limited.

[hushed mason]

I did say that I was close, but I really don't want to. I like my 3.5.

[rough basalt]

Once I own all the official 5e books, I'll look to the past

[hushed mason]

I'm thinking of re-running the modules I just ran.

[dusk crescent]

You can do a LOT more with mechs for stories than you'd think at first glance

[rough basalt]

Actually I've been looking at AD&D modules for Shadowdark

AD&D modules aren't very hard to convert to that system

It's just a little TLC and dealing with any potential "products of their time" aspects.

[livid brook]

elven accuracy or alert for an ambush archer

[lavish flame]

I mean, one of them just makes you a better archer while the other one makes you a better ambush archer

I'd do Alert for that reason alone, though Elven Accuracy is REALLY good

[worn lagoon]

I wish dragon hide was updated to be the equivalent of 24 drac sorc

[delicate mantle]

Love a new set of dice

[ripe nimbus]

maybe this explains why I don't like any of Draw Steel, Daggerheart, or Pathfinder 2e very much, honestly...

the 2024 rules are fine but they're not that 4e-ish

and ive never looked at lancer

[livid brook]

is there any point in taking alert if im gloom stalker with my initiative being +7

[fossil hollow]

beating the monsters with higher initiative

especially in 2024. But in generaly, you can also just roll low

[limber trail]

getting to swap initiative can be a solid tactical option

[dusk crescent]

Yeah that ability is the main strength of alert in 2024

[mighty wharf]

I have a question about DMs and when they ask for ability checks. Is it fair for a DM to ask for an ability check when casting a spell that doesn't have a saving throw or require it? 2 examples:

1. Casting Suggestion (2024), and then requiring a charisma check on the delivery of the suggestion
2. Requiring an ability check to cast Grease when I've learned it as a spell

Or is that a sign of a bad DM?

[dusk crescent]

If your caster rolled low on initiative you can give them your good roll instead and let them do their thing sooner whether it's buffing the party, nuking some mooks, or CCing a key target

[glass granite]

I wouldn’t call for a skill check in either of those

Especially the Grease one. You cast the spell, that’s it.

[livid brook]

so in my case no then

my species is weird

[mighty wharf]

What if I want to cast Rope Trick, and then attempt to climb the rope, would that reasonably call for an athletics check? I'd be playing a warforged (so probably heavy) and my strength would be 8.

[livid brook]

its an eberron shadow elf which im using for clairvoyance

idea was to get that on the field asap

[glass granite]

I’d use the climbing rules

But depending on the circumstances yeah I might call for a check

[hushed mason]

"sign of a bad DM" is subjective. The DM may know the rules as written but wants to play it differently. You should ask them about it... and then ask for any other house rules.

Rope check + rope = climb check.

It does sound like they're trying to nerf the spells, though.

[dusk crescent]

It's also just best to not have players need to roll checks too often for the more mundane things

[mighty wharf]

Yeah which I'm like, I didn't want to play a spellcaster just to be nerfed and have my spells not do what they say...

I guess I need to have a discussion with my DM

[fossil hollow]

i get spells can be powerful. But what

[mighty wharf]

I don't know for sure yet

[glass granite]

The climbing rules are very dm fiat, so I could see some situations where you’d need a check

[ripe nimbus]

I once played with a DM who said that he was getting rid of spell slots and replacing it with a system where every spell requires a check to cast, and if you fail it can blow up in your face wild-magic-style. for all spellcasters

[fossil hollow]

... oof

[hushed mason]

Yeah. I really dislike most homebrew rules.

[glass granite]

How’d that go?

[ripe nimbus]

actually i dont remember exactly what the consequence for failing was?

it might've just been "you lose the spell" except for fumbles/1s

but still, it was like... im sure this would be an interesting system, in a game designed around it

[dusk crescent]

The thing is that most spells don't need to be nerfed, and spellcasters as a concept absolutely don't need to be nerfed

[fossil hollow]

you just need to manage how many freaking spells they cast in between Long Rests

[dusk crescent]

The whole "martial vs caster" debate comes from martials not getting enough compared to casters, not that casters are too OP for the game as a whole

[livid brook]

which multiclass leans more towards sniper with magical ammunition

[dusk crescent]

Arcane Archer, easy

Their whole thing is magical arrows

[ripe nimbus]

that, and people not doing enough encounters in an adventuring day/not taking the resource management side of the game seriously

[eager marsh]

its almost always just due to the fact that the average adventuring day doesnt last that long and the ideal 2 short rests arent around for martials/warlocks

[ripe nimbus]

it just kind of sucked to bring a cleric to the table and be told "actually half your spells are gonna fail"

[glass granite]

Stars Druid with spell sniper also could work, though it’s multiclass now

[fickle heart]

You'd might be surprised that historically casters had many more restrictions to do what they needed to do, and a lot of people's issues are solved by said restrictions.

[valid geyser]

I do think that some spells that have the capacity to end single encounters might deserve to be nerfed at least a little bit

[mighty wharf]

Yeah this is what I want to avoid.

[ripe nimbus]

the nerf is in the spell slots/day limit

[eager marsh]

How?

[ripe nimbus]

here

[dusk crescent]

Like literally the only spell I think deserves to be hard nerfed is Shield

[eager marsh]

good lord that sounds cancerous

[ripe nimbus]

i do think some spells are too powerful for their level and need to be softly nerfed, like fireball

the thing is he was a great DM in other ways, just had silly spellcasting houserules

[eager marsh]

Fireball was openly admitted to be stronger than it should be by teh devs because 'its iconic'

[fickle heart]

It's also worth mentioning that from a broad standpoint, the game itself is better served by nerfing the strong spells rather than revamping essentially everything else, monsters included.

[livid brook]

god this is hurting my head

[ripe nimbus]

yeah, the issue is that they took the power from previous editions' fireball without the thing that made it more balanced (namely, that it melted metal and destroyed the damn treasure half the time if you were reckless)

[eager marsh]

that was an objectively bad part because that was every aoe spell and it also destroyed the players gear

[dusk crescent]

I mean you can absolutely still make it that way in your campaigns

[granite swan]

how is Troll Amalgam gargantuan

[eager marsh]

3.5 fireball was balanced because the damage dice scaled with caster level to a set cap that all spells of a given level obeyed so it was never above the curve

[fossil hollow]

what do you mean?

[ripe nimbus]

I think it's easier to just have fireball be 6d6. or just accept that your wizard and sorcerer are only casting fireball as long as the fighter is keeping his distance

[fossil hollow]

what about the Troll Amalgam not Gargantuan?

[fickle heart]

If we bump up every martial, for example, we also need to redo encounter math, which means that we essentially didn't actually "buff" martials and instead lowered the ceiling by raising the floor. The same effect can be achieved (much more easily) by just tuning down the problematic things.

[lavish flame]

Its a collection of Large creatures that got fused together. So its Gargantuan

[fossil hollow]

yeah, its a meld of trolls

[eager marsh]

the friendly fire concern aside, fireball isn't even as severe an issue. Hypnotic Pattern well placed can just end the encounter because you take time surrounding and picking off targets 1 by 1

[ripe nimbus]

oh yeah

and then there's "trivialize exploration pillar" spells like goodberry...

[eager marsh]

Gooberry doesnt do that. exploration includes finding food but if thats all you had for it thats on ther DM

The finding food part of exploration is the least involved part even without goodberry

[umbral girder]

Make it less of a bonus or for 1 turn

You also need water

And to get past environmental threats too

[fickle heart]

I always feel like a broken record with this, because I've talked about it at length many times before, but one gets the best results if they approach problems as things that can be (and should be) solved by making decisions. There are certain spells that otherwise trivialize certain lesser-used aspects of the game, so when one wants to engage in those aspects of the game, it's very useful to assess and cull hurdles to that engagement.

Example: Most people are likely to not wear boots to relax at the beach, because wearing boots when trying to get your toes in the sand is actively counterproductive. Approaching D&D in a way that you want to take off your boots so you can sink your toes into the sand is likely to solve many problems.

[eager marsh]

one time in the underdark I had vortex warp and i burned half my spell slots that day yeeting the monk across the pit to collect half of a broken bridge for them to repair on our side before i sent them back to repair the bridge. thats exploration

[ripe nimbus]

of course it doesn't trivialize literally all of exploration. but it does cut out one aspect of exploration that is in fact a key part of it for how i like to play, which is resource management of stuff like food

[eager marsh]

it's ok nobody plays druid/ranger anyways /j

[hushed mason]

It's funny that no one complained this much about Goodberry in 3.5

[umbral girder]

It is also a possible origin feat spell notably

[eager marsh]

3.5 was a whole different vibe and with 5e being so much more simple mechanically there's less to focus on there vs in older editions. also we had far fewer online communities back then so they may very well have complained

[eager marsh]

it would be even less common for that to be taken specifically than to just play those classes

[hushed mason]

I played via mIRC, so... only online. We had forums, back then.

[umbral girder]

3.5e was bloated with a lot more rules so people would want to ignore those.

[eager marsh]

I'm not saying online communities didnt exist but they werent as large or overarching. the intrernet was younger then. the entire environment was different

[hushed mason]

Yes, but Goodberry just wasn't (and isn't) an issue.

I don't even think I've ever even seen it used.

[eager marsh]

I never considered it one. I just find it funny anytime I"ve DM'd or played in games where the spell would genuinely be useful, nobody is playing the class for it

[dusk crescent]

Shillelagh the goat

[timber turtle]

whats the dnd campaign book where you try stop the world from flooding?

[fossil hollow]

Cant really remember one

Flooding as in a flood of water? Noah style?

[ripe nimbus]

i have! players literally never worried about food!

i do think to a certain extent longer-resting rules (like the gritty realism variant rules) can fix it well enough though

[timber turtle]

Yeah

I think it's like underwater naga people doing it

[hidden spindle]

I often think how often (or how little) people think about the exploration pillar are often the ones who hand waive: food, water, travel time, carry capacity...

[fiery perch]

Sup people

[feral fulcrum]

You might be thinking of the Elemental Evils related campaign?

[rich summit]

When a attack says 1d8+3 with a atk bonus of +5 how much damage should that do

[fossil hollow]

Ooooh, Olyhedra?

[cobalt owl]

I have given the players dynamite. Many a shenanigan will follow

[feral fulcrum]

Princes of the Apocalypse. I keep forgetting the name because Elemental Evil was also a book.

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, Elemental Evil of Water makes sense for a flood

[cobalt owl]

I think they can live 10d6 at level 5.

Not by much, but they'll live.

I have perfectly estimated this

I am certain they will be not fine

[fiery perch]

Players in the westmarch I am in tried to make some money by pillaging and plundering and have now ended up in debt.

[worn lagoon]

My players would ask if they need to roll a dex save to swallow an entire stick of dynamite whole

[fiery perch]

Swallowing dynamite will at least be an action if not more

I mean if the dynamite is unlit they would just die of sickness instead of exploding no?

Well what kind is it? chemical or gunpowder

[feral fulcrum]

Dynamite is a very specific thing. It's Nitroglycerin with some binders and stabilizers

[fiery perch]

Either way - once they swallow it I would just give them multiple levels of exhaustion and disable like 70% of their abilities because of how sick they feel and depending on how quickly they find a doctor / what kind of setting it is

[feral fulcrum]

It's used in tiny amount in medicine, but enough would probably give you a heart attack. It's a vasodilator.

[fiery perch]

Both - possibly a cleric more to cast the revive spell

Just hope it doesn't explode - have a doctor remove it from your corpse and then cast raise dead

[past blaze]

What are the odds of rolling a 20 on a d20, four times in a row?

[eager marsh]

1 in 160,000

[stuck shuttle]

(1/20)^4, or 0.000625%

[past blaze]

well that just happened to me and then I got a 1 and a 20 right after

20, 20, 20, 20, 1, 20
I am boggled

[eager marsh]

thats just how rng works. that combination happens eventually

[sick summit]

day 11 of saying friendly building sized cats should be a thing both irl and in D&D

[rough basalt]

I hate having a bunch of ideas for games

[sick summit]

why's that?

[rough basalt]

Decision paralysis

[sick summit]

?

[rough basalt]

I can't decide on a game cause I got too many ideas and it paralyzes my ability to make a decision.

[sick summit]

just ask others

[tame estuary]

didn't you spin a roulette?

actually why not just get the group going first and then ask which one they want to play

[wise mica]

Do all of your game ideas at once and just put all the best stuff in one game while cutting all the less good stuff unless you need filler stuff later on

[severe rampart]

I'm not sure about that one Echo

it can be hard to incorporate all aspects of your ideas into one game with everyone liking it

I think the best thing to do would be to ask them what type of campaign they'd like to play

[wise mica]

If you already have a group yeah just talk to the players and figure out what y'all are gonna enjoy most. If you need to advertise, though? Pick your favorite! Or do all of the ideas! Okay maybe that's not always simple but it's totally a thing!

[wicked sigil]

What do we think about a god of the phlogiston?

Like their portfolio is the phlogiston

[blissful ibex]

I've witnessed a consecutive 1, 1, 1, 20, 20 before
sadly the 1s were the party and the 20s were enemies >.>

[severe rampart]

this is why I love halflings

I'm sure they lived

Also I'm starting to get the appeal of Rogues now

[blissful ibex]

tier 1 AL game, so think fairly heavily optimized frontliners taking shots from fairly normal monsters

[severe rampart]

Currently my ranking of Classes are
Bard
Rogue(Went up)
Warlock(Went down)
Ranger
Artificer

[blissful ibex]

really solid range out of combat while still having a fairly decent scaling in combat

[severe rampart]

these are the five I've played so far, no I do not think Rangers are top 4 best classes.

[humble cairn]

They're fun!

[wise mica]

Paladin > not a paladin.

[severe rampart]

I kited over two bandits with my cunning action and movement, and then attacking them after

[severe rampart]

I'm set up to play a Paladin, and a Sorcerer next

[blissful ibex]

Druid
Warlock (but only as the minor portion of a multiclass)
Bard
Ranger
Monk

[severe rampart]

well Sorcerer 1/Warlock 2, backstory stuff

[humble cairn]

I've also had a lot of fun as a Ranger, but that could be because I have a companion who serves as a mount that I can use for Dash or Disengage as a BA, so it's kind of roguelike.

[severe rampart]

they're a child, and I've gotten to attached to the point I commisioned art of them, and I have the sketch right now

[blissful ibex]

dual wield, light weapon ranger is kinda fun

[severe rampart]

it's fun having a goliath as a party member as a halfling, can always use the hide action using them as cover

[blissful ibex]

also just standing next to them is half cover in general XD

[severe rampart]

Exactly

they 1v1d the mini boss of last session and were pretty much on equal strength, but they won

[blissful ibex]

still find it funny that because creatures can only provide up to half cover; you could be prone behind a Terrasque and still ony receive half cover from it vs someone on the other side

[severe rampart]

I love the luck feat from halflings, I rolled two nat 1s and rerolled to get not only high initiative but also high damage

also I joined the campaign 15 minutes before session 2 started, I used a chilchuck image for a token

just a straight up Chilchuck PNG from Dungeon Meshi

[blissful ibex]

1 in 20 shot of it doing anything every roll but turning fails into sucesses feels really nice

[severe rampart]

I feel so powerful

I can never naturally fail a d20 test

[blissful ibex]

I mean, RAW, crit failure arent really a thing, but it's still nice to get that extra boost

See, I was trying out Healer for a while which lets you reroll 1s on heals but barely ever used it so ended up dropping it for skilled

[timid current]

we talking 3.5?

okay. well I will remind you that we left confirming crits two editions ago. now you know!

[severe rampart]

Dustin, heads up, emojis sent by itself is considered "spam" in the server, wouldn't want you to be warned or anything

[severe rampart]

I've never tried out healer before

[timid current]

I have no idea what's communist about making crits more onerous

oh you're one of those

have a great night

[severe rampart]

better not to engage, anyway, how's everyone this fine afternoon?

[pearl hedge]

man.. never thought we'd have one of these types in the server

i'm good actually but it's night for me

[wraith sigil]

We gotta have DnD immersive VR in the future😤

[pearl hedge]

that is if vr gets less expensive

[wicked sigil]

Hey guys and gals and pals

[wraith sigil]

Its prolly gon be more mainstream

[pearl hedge]

hello!!!

[wicked sigil]

I'm js curious what do you guys think about a god of the phlogiston?

[pearl hedge]

idk if they'll ever make it less expensive.. companies like to make profits

[severe rampart]

yeah, timezones are insane like that

[pearl hedge]

i think we're getting off topic

[pearl hedge]

sorry i don't know this god what's he the god of

[still bolt]

i made a damage calculator in dicecloud that automates damage taken when reduced by a percentage,,, muahahah,,,,

[pearl hedge]

don't get mad at me man

i did nothing wrong

[lone coral]

There is #non-dnd-topics

[wicked sigil]

So there's space in dnd, like regular space, the phlogiston is in between planes of existance
Spheres cover areas that let planes of existance work normally, and in between those, the phlogiston works
Usually untouchable by any god, to the point cleric's and warlock's spells dont work, AO (the god of gods) can probably touch it but most likely not.
I wonder what would happen if a gos controlled the phlogiston, where spelljammer ships went through

[severe rampart]

my brain just exploded from trying to read that

[feral fulcrum]

TLDR There's Magic Fantasy Space inbetween Settings in older D&D editions. Which is initself, kind of it's own setting. Called Spelljammer.

[pure pumice]

I feel like spelljammer'a Thri-kreen could make for a good dual weapon fighter build since their additional arms work where you can hold a light item meaning...

• Two handed weapon in main hands
• Light weapon in secondary hands

[pearl hedge]

i mean in the nicest way that i barely understood half of that, but i sort of understand what you're getting at. and yes i know of Ao

[wicked sigil]

Planes of existance are in spheres
Phlogiston is in between those
No god can see into the phlogiston, probably besides for AO
What if a God's domain was what was usually untouchable by the gods

[feral fulcrum]

It's been redone in 5E and is now different. But also kind of nonexistant. It's a shallow sandbox I feel they didn't put any real effort into. The Spelljammer book in 5e is more of a monster manual with some watered down ship rules that they did better in GHosts of Saltmarsh. Which is just sad.

[pure pumice]

So say thri kreen fighter can use a greatsword and a hand crossbow

[wicked sigil]

The space between planes of existance is called the phlogiston
No god can touch it
What if a God's domain was the phlogiston

[pure pumice]

Everytime I hear Phlogiston i just think of the Phlogistinator

[wicked sigil]

The whaa

[severe rampart]

Dr Doofenshmirtz

[pure pumice]

A tf2 item. A wacky sci fi weapon the Pyro uses

[wicked sigil]

Oh that thing

Its pronounced like that almost

[pearl hedge]

i mean i guess? but then wouldn't it mean he couldn't see out of his domain/no one would know he existed?

[pure pumice]

With the most evil ability possible for the weapon

[pure pumice]

Yeah their both derived from Phlogiston a made up alchemic element to explain how things burned

[wicked sigil]

I feel like AO would know that he existed since he'd have to put the god into power in the first place
And also the tablets are accessible to see their name on there
And they'd have to have followers to be gods
Plus anyone might see the god
So realistically they'd be known

[feral fulcrum]

Ye Olde Alchemy had prominent signs of Ye Old Severe Lead Poisoning.

[pearl hedge]

yeah but the hard part would be knowing where to look no? not to say your idea isn't good

[wicked sigil]

I mean their avatar would probably be gigantic and ethereal

That's what I'm imagining at least

[limber trail]

it could be up to DM's interpretation

[wicked sigil]

My dm is super chill

[limber trail]

gods don't necessarily need an avatar

I could certainly see the concept working

[wicked sigil]

need but it'd probably be the best in the end

[limber trail]

ehhh, it depends what the god wants

[pearl hedge]

i feel like this idea needs tweaking

[wicked sigil]

I lwk wanna be the god, my dm said I could ascend to godhood

[pearl hedge]

it's not a bad idea but it needs some more time in the oven i think

[wicked sigil]

Assuming I amass followers n stuff

[limber trail]

ascending to godhood stories are usually tricky

but if your DM has a plan then sure

[wicked sigil]

My dm said I'd need thousands of followers to just start

[pearl hedge]

what would you specifically be the god of? have you talked to your dm about this

[limber trail]

But bear in mind raxtus, usually a character ascending to godhood would then mean you likely wouldn't get to play them anymore

[wicked sigil]

The phlogiston, but not specifically the domain

[wicked sigil]

The way my dm said it would work is id get access to 3.5e epic casting

[ripe nimbus]

...like, inverse-oxygen phlogiston?

[wicked sigil]

And be upped to level 20, probably with some handicap

[limber trail]

that's a generous DM

[pearl hedge]

yeah seriously

[wicked sigil]

I meant the domain would be the phlogiston but I didn't tell my dm the domain

[ripe nimbus]

like your domain would be reverse oxygen?

[wicked sigil]

Its a casual campaign I play for two hours after school each week

[wicked sigil]

I mean like you could think of it like that, you can't breathe it

[pearl hedge]

how many months of it are you into

[wicked sigil]

(Two hours total not each day)

[ripe nimbus]

i mean the historical theory that combusting objects released an element (phlogiston) during combustion

[wicked sigil]

Like 1 or 2, I'm level 9 right now
They're graduating and don't have any social media so can't play outside of school

[ripe nimbus]

(rather than the modern theory that combustion absorbs oxygen)

[pearl hedge]

damn what'd you start at

[wicked sigil]

2 i think

[pearl hedge]

huh

[ripe nimbus]

i'm not aware of another use for phlogiston, is there a d&d specific use im unaware of

[pearl hedge]

you said 3.5e or 5e?

[pearl hedge]

apparently it's the middle layer of the planes that gods can't see

[limber trail]

this is referring to the space between planes, phologiston, not the element

[wicked sigil]

Playing 5e, referenced the 3.5e epic casting system

[pearl hedge]

right

[wicked sigil]

We play for silly not for serious stakes

We leveled up twice in one day because we killed a level 20 wizard

2 counter spells plus 7 stunning strikes kinda stops any wizard from functioning

Counterspell the meteor swarm, stunning strike him, grapple him and throw I'm into the corner, and keep stunning striking him

(He failed every single saving throw)

[limber trail]

solo enemies are rough for that reason

especially when not built with meticulous care

[wicked sigil]

We also used uhh

What me and my friend call a domain expansion lol

Sleet storm + plant growth

[limber trail]

I'm surprised the wizard didn't have any legendary resistances

[wicked sigil]

He used them all against the stunning strikes

[limber trail]

I assume this is with 2014 rules yeah

[wicked sigil]

Which we then used the other 3 actions from haste and class like milestone thingies

[pearl hedge]

holy

[wicked sigil]

Haste, double strike, 2 monks, and a fighter

[limber trail]

in 2024 it's a lot harder to get something like that off. Counterspell can be legendary resistanced, and stunning strike can only be attempted once a turn

[wicked sigil]

Lord all mighty it wss pure bliss, plus 3 spell casters

[wicked sigil]

We passed a dc19 counter spell dc

[limber trail]

I'm shocked the DM didn't counterspell that counterspell

[wicked sigil]

He did

Theres 2 other casters in the party. And there's one reaction they had.

[limber trail]

ah

[wicked sigil]

Holy that was so fun

[limber trail]

that'd do it

and that kiddos, is why you leave a 60ft range before casting the big spells

[wicked sigil]

It was an enclosed arena in a colloquium, we spent like 4+ hours last session and 3+ that session clearing out like 15 different waves of wyverns, iron constructs, and the likes
We could long rest using a special fountain before we took on the next wave

We did the oblivion arena basically...

[next elk]

guys pls help can i play dnd by sending texts in a discord

[humble cairn]

A "colloquium" sounds like a very interesting thing. Did you perhaps mean "colloseum?"

[fair summit]

Depends entirely on the group, but its an option
Other option is a PBP (Play by post) game, where the game is played as text asynchronously when people are able to

[clever sun]

how would one make a character based on soul of cinder from ds3

[fair summit]

Could ask in #character-discussion
And its gonna help to describe the character youre looking to make

[pearl hedge]

yes! it's called a PBP (play by post). just specify that you want that type of game and some DMs will reach out to you!

[rough basalt]

An Eldritch Knight probably would be the closest

[calm drift]

I'd like to start a campaign podcast, but I want to make sure the party's personalities match. Would it be crazy to put a short quiz on a post to get an idea of how the players will work together?

[rough basalt]

Whatever gets you the right players is what matters imo

[wicked sigil]

I did yeah sorry-

[pearl hedge]

hey sora!!

[next elk]

does it happen in discord?

[pearl hedge]

yes, you just have to specify in #find-a-game / #looking-for-dm that you want to play a PBP

[next elk]

yes yes i want that how do i find dms that do that

alright thank you!!! 🩷

[fair summit]

You can search "PBP" with Discord's search function in #looking-for-players , or make your post with #find-a-game and specifying thats what you're looking for

[next elk]

in which field do i put it in?

[next elk]

but im a player looking for a dm,,,

i see i see

[fair summit]

Yeah? And that channel includes posts by DMs looking for players

[severe rampart]

right but those posts are DMs looking for players

[pearl hedge]

you put it in what type of game you want, that field

[severe rampart]

We just Echoed each other

[next elk]

ohhhh that makes sense

[fair summit]

Kenku behavior 😎

[wicked sigil]

Hey soda, I realized that domains of gods could potentially like be super specific

[next elk]

does PBP mean that timezone doesnt matter?

[fair summit]

Pretty much

[wicked sigil]

I could scrap the phlogiston idea

[next elk]

woaw this is peak!!

[fair summit]

It's less of a specific game time, and more like people posting when they can

[wicked sigil]

And be like the fortune of followers on the material plane

Very specific and gives me power

[fair summit]

Haven't played PBP's myself, as I prefer a mic and the usual DND, so I don't know the specifics of how one works though

[crystal wing]

Someone please talk me out of staying up all night to compose music for a dnd campaign (I'm not nearly skilled enough and it's 1:30 in the morning)

[wicked sigil]

Why are you up

Go sleep bro

[crystal wing]

Sleep is for the weak and the mentally sane

[wicked sigil]

Improve your mental health n sleep

[crystal wing]

I also am an insomniac

[wicked sigil]

Then you better get started on getting to sleep, yawning helps u sleep

[crystal wing]

This is true

[wicked sigil]

Your quality of your songs will improve if you are rested, sloppy songs while you're sleep deprived hurts the product in the end

[crystal wing]

That is very true actually

[wicked sigil]

Go to bed twin

[crystal wing]

Thank you for your service

[wicked sigil]

I too struggle with sleep so np

[winter glacier]

Fr

[pearl hedge]

sleep is for people who haven't made soul contracts

[pearl hedge]

it's more free form, in my campaign we usually talk around a specific time in the day but anyone can post whenever..

[wicked sigil]

Hey soda I'm lwk gonna drop the phlogiston thing and like narrow my domain to like

Idk the fortune of my followers in the sword coast

Since it's so narrow no other god has that domain LMAO

[pearl hedge]

although more than once i have not gotten a response from my DM because they were asleep soo keep that in mind

[pearl hedge]

soo tymora but for your followers? sounds a lot better yea

[wicked sigil]

Yeah, the plan is i get some people to spread the word of my name, ascend to godhood, and give those who helped me ascend like... a lot of good fortune
Then ill work out sum with my dm that lets me like buff my party

[clever sun]

are there any books i should buy when im just starting

[pearl hedge]

definitely the PHB

[wicked sigil]

Dnd is free and always will be so nothing you have to

[pearl hedge]

if you want to you can buy the phb

[clever sun]

does it tell how the game works

[wicked sigil]

Do you want me to try to help explain how it works to u?

[clever sun]

yes please

[wicked sigil]

Dms so,I don't gotta deal with slowmode

[clever sun]

alright

[pearl hedge]

the wiki helps a lot. just search up the dnd5e wiki

[wicked sigil]

Also look in #dnd-newcomers

[burnt valley]

Imagine not having a phylactery smhh

[pearl hedge]

phylactery?

[burnt valley]

Lichdom

[pearl hedge]

ohhh

[severe rampart]

Can a PC turn into a lich?

[wicked sigil]

Yeah but they turn evil

You need a potion of lichdom, which you make yourself iirc

[pearl hedge]

if the dm allows it yes but then they're going to be evil

[burnt valley]

Minsc and Boo has an npc that teaches how to achieve Lichdom

[hushed mason]

There are non-evil liches in lore.

Specifically, the baelnorns.

[modest elk]

Hello new friends, im ricky new to the world of dnd and is interested in joining a game to start my adventure #looking-for-dm

[hushed mason]

Hi Ricky.

[severe rampart]

hello Ricky!, if you have any questions head on over to #dnd-newcomers

[burnt valley]

Phylactery idea: All bone dust is now your phylactery and you spread it across the realms, they all have teleportation link between eachother so it could be fully reformed at will if needed

[severe rampart]

okay Voldemort

[modest elk]

@severe rampart Thank youwill do

[burnt valley]

This solves the problem of it being found and then destroyed and not being able to capture souls due to the insane distance between eachother, making it completely indestructible

[feral fulcrum]

Ponders a Pirate Campaign

[severe rampart]

Do it.

[feral fulcrum]

Is that better on the actual seas, or in Spelljammer? I feel you can be more flexlible in the latter, get more interesting with it.

[severe rampart]

I feel like a Pirate Campaign that's morally grey would be fun

[wicked sigil]

Technically yes, what you're thinking of no

[rough basalt]

Good liches have a different way of becoming liches iirc

[wicked sigil]

Clerics and paladins or anyone else that uses gods as their power can't use their powers there

[wicked sigil]

Elven high magic

[feral fulcrum]

I saw zero mention of that in the book

[hushed mason]

Baelnorns are not liches? Since when?

[wicked sigil]

The gods can't see in the phlogiston

[wicked sigil]

That's actually what I was thinking of
I thought you meant actual like... liches that just never turned evil after becoming liches

[feral fulcrum]

Not a thing in 5E.

[wicked sigil]

Phogiston is between the planes
In space, yeah they can use their powers from gods

But if you travel out through space you reach the phlogiston which is inaccessible to the gods

It connects all of the planes, so using a spelljammer you can travel between planes but it takes awhile

[feral fulcrum]

Again. Phlogistion is not a thing in Fifth edition.

[wicked sigil]

Oh

That's annoying asl

[feral fulcrum]

You've got Wildspace Realms (Solar Systems), and the Astral Sea (The Astral Plane stuff) Between them.

Actually had to crack open my books and tripple check, to make sure I wasn't gaslighting myself

[wicked sigil]

Then idk what to say, do it ig

If the phlogiston still exists you could make it interesting by chasing a spell jammer out of the crystals

Even if it doesn't you can retcon it in, it's a game afterall

[feral fulcrum]

They also got really boring with navigation by going "If you can think of the place, the Spelljammer auto-navigates.

[wicked sigil]

It goes in a direction not to a plane iirc

I could be wrong

[limber trail]

If that’s even true (which it nah well not be) a DM can just ignore that

[feral fulcrum]

In 5e your ship pilots itself (Provided you're in the chair) Straight to whatever destination you're thinking of. Provided you can actually reach it.

Which I think was lazy and kills exploration entirely.

[wicked sigil]

Then retcon it

You dont have to play by the rules, do what you want

[feral fulcrum]

I'm aware I can do that :V I'm complaining because Spelljammer was a wet fart of a book.

More of a Monster Manual then a setting book. They even watered down existing and better ship rules. 🙁

[wicked sigil]

I should make a better spell jammer rules

Idk what weapons they have though lol

[feral fulcrum]

Catapults and Trebuchet's and one ship based Cannon locked to the the Giff ship.

[stark arch]

i just had a tough. when making skeletons with the animate dead spell on a pile of bones do they have there standart equipment with them like the short sword and bow ??

[feral fulcrum]

Because they forgot Cannons existed as a seige weapon already.

[cursive fjord]

Is the Pugilist a new class or a third party class?

[feral fulcrum]

I would presume yes, for the sake of simplicity.

[wicked sigil]

I think the bows get naturally put in they hands

[wicked sigil]

What is a pugilist

[feral fulcrum]

Third Party that wanted "Monk, but different, and balanced poorly, as is typical for Third Party."

[stark arch]

so if i take away there weapons and sell them and repeat this cycle i get free money?

[cursive fjord]

Figured that its iust Street Fighter Monk

[wicked sigil]

Its assumed the weapons disentigrate when they die

[feral fulcrum]

Up until the DM says "Stop that, it's silly." And you realize that their weapons are dirt cheap and you'd make money faster by doing litteraly anything else.

[stark arch]

no where says there weapons are a illision or a phantom ?

[cursive fjord]

Also ask yourself why you want inifite money

[wicked sigil]

Where does it say they get their weapons when they're raised

[stark arch]

25gp for a shortbow is prety good deal

[wicked sigil]

Theyd buy it at a lower price, realistically

[feral fulcrum]

You'd get even more, faster, from simply adventuring. And have more fun doing so too I'd bet.

[dark pewter]

Presumably, they'd be raised without weapons, and then have to be given some

[stark arch]

says in the stat block thats there weapons no where says they need to be equiped first?

[stark arch]

not at my table we get a monthly wage

[wicked sigil]

Then none of this applies to you cuz that's odd

[hazy egret]

Roll20 broke today and i rolled a 0 on a d20

Id send the pic if i could lmao

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah pretty sure the DM that'd do a Monthly Wage system instead of just loot and selling, would probably beat you with a stick for trying to cheese things with 'infinite' corpses.

[stark arch]

doubt it. already abusing the alchemy jug

creating 2 acid potions a day

starting my own shop selling short swords and shortbows

[wicked sigil]

Must be really fun for other players

[cursive fjord]

Lowest ive rolled -2
Higest ive rolled 52

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah but that's pretty much Rules As Written, rather then fuzzy, inteprative, unclear stuff like raising zombies to farm them for magically spawning loot.

[feral fulcrum]

You sure you didn't just mess up the input?

[rough basalt]

A nat 0.
Guess it's time to roll the crit fumbles table twice and combine both results. /j

[severe rampart]

Does your character just instantly combust

[rough basalt]

Potentially.
I've never read such tables cause my experience with crit fumbles has been ridiculous.

[feral fulcrum]

That reminds me, I crit fumbled (Yes I know it's not RAW, but both I and my DM like em) and got eaten by a giant mushroom man.

Well, half eaten.

[rough basalt]

They can be funny sometimes

[feral fulcrum]

Failing grapple checks has never not ended in fun times.

[rough basalt]

I just avoid them cause sometimes they can just be unfair

[severe rampart]

I have never tried to grapple anyone or anything

[feral fulcrum]

And sometimes you get to watch a Dwarf Wrestler snap a Vampire Wizard in Half.

[rough basalt]

"Like oh you rolled a 1 your magic sword breaks"

[severe rampart]

"you rolled a nat 0 you trip on a rock and into their sword"

[rough basalt]

"With a nat 0, the universe opens up and swallows you."

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah, but that's more on the side of bad dming, then on what Crit Fumbles actually should be. They should be enganging, be harmful to you in some manner that makes sense to the things going on right now, and not randomly screw you by going "You explode." Or "Your magic thing suddenly kerplodes into ruin for no particular reason." And they should prefferably, keep the narrative moving.

[rough basalt]

Like "you accidentally burp in the thugs face while trying to convince him to let you into his gangs hideout"

[hazy egret]

I rolled a 0+13

[rough basalt]

The narrative keeps moving cause that thugs gonna be angry

[hazy egret]

I think something broke with the beyond20 exstension

However its spelled

[rough basalt]

Extension

[hazy egret]

Idk its 1:36 am

[cobalt berry]

Hi guys

[glass granite]

Hallo

[potent orbit]

Hai

[pearl hedge]

ah yes BOTW mechanics

what every ttrpg needs.. your spell parchment actually ripped in half.. no fireball for you!

[prime basin]

quick question, on dnd beyond it states that the first time you hit someone with a melee attack with wrathful smite they take 1d6 thunder damage but that they also take 2d6 thunder damage and the thunder rings out a sound within 300 feet (plus the spell save but that isn't important). So does this mean you do 3d6 damage with the smite and if so, why ever use divine smite?

[glass granite]

Is that thunderous or wrathful smite?

[prime basin]

Thunderous

Its also the only of the 1st level smites to have that special condition it seems

[glass granite]

Wrathful smite has a special condition

Also, just for clarity, 2024 or 2014?

And also, I’m not seeing the 1d6 thunder damage (I assume that’s from upcasting?)

[round bay]

What is your favorite build, guys?

[glass granite]

Monk with a level in ranger
I don’t think it’s optimal, but it’s fun as heck

[limber trail]

Wrathful Smite deals 1d6 thunder damage. thunderous smite deals 2d6 thunder damage. They’re different spells, you can’t use both at once, but if you upcast thunderous smite it deals an extra 1d6

[round bay]

Ranger huh...

[glass granite]

Mhm

[round bay]

What does it do that benefits you?

[potent orbit]

Rouge with the assassin subclass

[glass granite]

Weapon mastery, spellcasting, and hunters mark

[limber trail]

Hunter’s Mark can be nice and some builds benefit from weapon mastery

[round bay]

Almost always my to go lol

But now focusing on spellcasting builds

[glass granite]

I like being able to do a ton of attacks, and hunters mark compliments that reasonably well

[round bay]

I see i see, and your to go race(s)?

[glass granite]

Human, I’m boring. I like feats.

[prime basin]

Wrathful smite deals 1d6 necrotic and you can upcast it deal to an additional portion of damage. Thunderous smite deals 2d6 damage on a hit as well as requiring a saving throw for a prone condition but also seems to have a condition where the first time you hit with a melee attack it deals an additional 1d6 damage

[potent orbit]

Is anyone doing a free campain? Would love to join one

[glass granite]

I’m not seeing that last condition

[undone rain]

Ah finally dnd today

[glass granite]

#find-a-game should have the info you need to try and find games via this server.

“Your strike rings with thunder that is audible within 300 feet of you, and the target takes an extra 2d6 Thunder damage from the attack. Additionally, if the target is a creature, it must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be pushed 10 feet away from you and have the Prone condition.”
Is 2024 Thunderous Smite

That 1d6 might be coming from your weapon?

[limber trail]

Yeah thunderous smite just does 2d6 Thunder damage

[prime basin]

I'd send a picture but i can't on this discord. If you use the 2024 rules and inspect the thunderous smite spell it says 1d6 thunder damage (The first time you hit with melee weapon attack during this spells duration)

[round bay]

Tough does go handy

[glass granite]

Tough and Tavern Brawler are my go to

[limber trail]

I am looking at the thunderous smite spell on DnDBeyond. It doesn’t mention this anywhere I can see

[glass granite]

Maybe send it to #ddb-support ?

[prime basin]

i can send you a picture if you don't mind

[limber trail]

Once played a Druid with Cleric and Wizard magic initiates. Was a fun build

[prime basin]

its in the character sheet for me

[limber trail]

As nugget suggested I’d go to #ddb-support with it

[glass granite]

I do like magic initiate wizard on my rogues

[prime basin]

alright, well thanks but I don't think i'll get a response from them

[limber trail]

What spells do you generally give to a rogue?

[glass granite]

It’s also that you can post pictures there and we can also see it

[glass granite]

Booming blade, prestidigitation, mage armour/shield/smt fun

[limber trail]

Interesting

[glass granite]

I just like the synergy between booming blade and BA disengage, plus more damage is nice

[limber trail]

That’s a solid list

[prime basin]

Alright I posted it there if you wanna go look

but we'll see if thats an actual issue or just designed to be like that

[glass granite]

I believe that’s just the weapon damage

[prime basin]

Then why say 2d6 in the description?

[glass granite]

Cuz that’s the smite damage

[severe rampart]

I greet thee Nugget

[prime basin]

Indeed but then why have the spell listed under spells say 1d6 (ill post another picture)

im sure the blue asterisk serves a purpose I just don't know what it is

[severe rampart]

could you effectively use a light crossbow while wielding two rapiers?

[glass granite]

Only got two hands bud

[halcyon forum]

laughs in thri-kreen

[severe rampart]

the question is, do I want to wield two rapiers, or one crossbow

[prime basin]

Laughs in simic hybrid

[halcyon forum]

they cant use their extra appendages for wielding weapons though

[severe rampart]

thri-kreens look awesome wth

[prime basin]

damn I thought they could too

[halcyon forum]

so in 2024 rules, you do not benefit from dual wielding two rapiers anyway, since at least one weapon needs to be light

[prime basin]

oh well, thri-kreen are dope

[halcyon forum]

yeah they are cool

[severe rampart]

oh my god Rapiers aren't light? okay, time to use a scimitar then

[halcyon forum]

so with scimitars, or scimitar+rapier, you might be able to get a hand crossbow in there with some weapon juggling, but it might be a bit complicated to figure out the order of attacks to make it work

and you def need the Crossbow expert feat

[hoary totem]

🅱️ ilvery 🅱️ ar🅱️ s

[glass granite]

I’ve hardly the spell slots yo use that well

[hoary totem]

Fair enough, if you're a martial picking out spells for magic initiate, take spells that last a long time like mage armour

But as a wizard who just wants those sweet, sweet extra spells, why the hell not

[prime basin]

i mean if you're a martial you probably don't want mage armor

[hoary totem]

Sorry for any mistakes, I am not a martial player lol.

[prime basin]

It's fine

usually they go for something like shield if they wanted armor

shield obviously would only last for one turn, but it would be an easy escape if a creature managed to hit your high ac

[limber trail]

If you use regular nonmagical light armour then mage armour is at least 1 AC point better

[prime basin]

This is true, but if your using light armor you're probably also going to have a higher dexterity. The reasons why wizards get mage armor is to make up for their lower dexterity because they usually have a higher con and intelligence. Mage armor may give you more but it cost a spell slot and will eventually become useless in later gameplay. Shield is a get out of trouble quick spell because it makes your AC 5 points higher which means that the enemy will not hit you even if they rolled 4 points higher than your AC

shield will also not become useless at any point of the game

[limber trail]

The Mage Armour discussion stemmed from using Magic Initiate: Wizard to get Mage Armour as a rogue. That’s what I’m basing this off of

[prime basin]

But that is exactly what I was replying to anyway.

Rogues have a higher dexterity because their entire class first and foremost revolves around that stat in particular, much like a barbarians does for strength

[limber trail]

In that example Mage Armour doesn’t cost a spell slot - it’s free and lasts for most of the adventuring day. Mage Armour also scales with Dex so it’s great for them

[prime basin]

True but you only get one and while it does last for a long time it will improve your already decent ac by 1-2 points

[limber trail]

AC is AC, especially for rogues who don’t have a lot of ways to improve it at lower levels. For an origin feat it can be a great pickup

[prime basin]

with shield you guaranteed get to block a single attack from hitting where as mage armor is much riskier and will likely have no impact, especially if you are a ranged rogue

[prime basin]

sure, but shield is simply just better

[limber trail]

Shield isn’t a guaranteed block, it’s a +5 to hit. I’ve played plenty of combats where the +5 isn’t enough to matter and I’ve played with plenty of DMs who don’t reveal attack roll bonuses so shield is a gamble

[round bay]

Can anyone here guide me to the Hexadin build

[limber trail]

Shield is also one round, which is nice, but mage armour could potentially cover 5+ combats the whole time

[glass granite]

If you're a rogue i see no reason why not

[silk hare]

shield is so good most opt builds plan around a class dip or some other way to get it

[glass granite]

Tis just a free +1 AC i can forget about

[prime basin]

Shield is a block because you use it when you can block that attack. The fact that your dms are hiding attack bonuses is crazy because most dms just say the entire attack roll to let their player use shield and not have to risk wasting it

[silk hare]

• in 2024 it doesnt matter as much since you can just take a class to get another origin feat and get both overall

[autumn goblet]

Here is an idea
Its a lot easier to summon a demon with a ritualistic sacrifice because all a demon needs is blood or a soul sacrifice. Doesn't necessarily have to be YOUR blood or soul, you can kidnap someone and use them to summon your demons of the abyss

But when it comes to summoning devils, its a but more complicated, they need a more PERSONAL sacrifice, like actually killing/burning/giving/sacrificing that of which you hold dear. Because a devil, unlike demons, are smart, and doesn't want to get involved with anything that isn't willing to commit to what ever bargain they summoned them for

[glass granite]

More if I don't have access to the best armor

[limber trail]

..what do you mean by this? Can you elaborate on the point more because I don’t quite understand what you’re saying

[prime basin]

Because it doesn't come up as much in later game and you usually have +1 or +2 armor and it makes up for mage armor when you have that

[silk hare]

well in 2014 rules you can take ANY feat, aka warcaster/res con usually for full casters

in 2024 you cant bc they have a prereq of lvl 4 so you can just take magic initiate and still get shield down the line e.g.

[hot reef]

Most DMs say the attack roll to streamline combat, so they don’t have to check the PC’s AC. They don’t do that specifically to give opportunity for Shield spell

[silk hare]

since most builds feature MC that give it to you one way or another

[limber trail]

I’m not really here to talk about the best possible choice, I’m just saying that yeah mage armour is a very valid choice for rogues

[silk hare]

sure but its a secondary effect and also makes sense in a ttrpg

not like the player casts fireball and doesnt tell the dm the damage amount or vice versa

[prime basin]

which is fine, because from the jump i've been saying that shield is better

[glass granite]

True, I mostly play lower levels and it's something I don't have to think much about so I like it

[silk hare]

can be*

"is" is a bit of a strong word imo

shield is indeed objectively the better choice sadly, but yeah mage armor CAN be valid

[prime basin]

which is fine, mage armor might be better for certain people because they haven't really gone into the late early-late game levels where you can easily access better armor to make up for mage armor

[glass granite]

If I do bring a rogue to a higher level campaign I would consider shield, absorb elements, maybe detect magic

[silk hare]

I once made a rogue (very suboptimally but funny), medium armor prof, gave him serpent scale armor so base AC was 19 + shield

[glass granite]

Heck yeah

[prime basin]

I'll probably play a rogue one day, but i'm really hoping they revist inquisitive and make something with it

I love the idea of a noir rogue who is like a mastermind at insight and perceiving things. I loved inquisitive it just couldn't stand up to things like swashbucker, soulknife, arcane trickster, or even mastermind in some peoples opinions

[hot reef]

That’s an invalid comparison
Damage numbers (before resistances) are required to be shared
Exact DCs/ACs/to hit bonuses where the result is success or failure are not required to be shared

[silk hare]

yes, but the dm asking : does a "X" hit, is a valid and often used question, bc that also technically "HAS to be confirmed"

the reaction may take place after as long as you fullfill the requirements, therefore you "wasting it on the offchance" is just bad play, since they should be confirming the hit, especially if you have access to things that may change your AC

[hot reef]

Some DMs will memorize the ACs of the PCs (or know they’re within a range)

[humble cairn]

Why not just play it yourself and see, rather than let others' opinions deny you the fun?

[silk hare]

imo thats still a bit of a metagame and taking away player agency

[silk hare]

tbh play what you want to play, thats whats the most fun :)))

opinion dont matter, unless its your own and if you dont like it just make a new character later

[hot reef]

How so? If anything, knowing the exact attack roll result for the purpose of Shield is metagaming, when the intent of the rules says nothing about them knowing

[fathom gate]

But its also nice asking if a 25 hits the wizard

[hot reef]

But it’s also nice when they cast Shield and it still hits (occasionally)

[burnt valley]

Its funnier when it doesn't hit somehow

[silk hare]

alright to put into perspective,

if I now remember most monsters at a certain lvl and their stats/AC and do stuff around that that would also be a bit of a metagame no`?

also spell slots are a really valuable resource and it just feels really bad if you waste it for nothing, especially if its a common occurence

[prime basin]

Oh its not that I didn't want to play an inquisitve rogue, I just had other things in my eyes at the time. I don't really like rogues as a class because they are pure martial (outside of arcane trickster) and i liked to play gish characters literally everytime (paladin and hexlock enjoyer)

[fathom gate]

Paladins be like: no a 36 doesnt hit

[prime basin]

The only character i've played that couldn't cast spells was my first ever character who was a white dragonborn barbarian (who i promptly stopped playing when I got bored)

[silk hare]

also its a heroic fantasy most of the times, ofc its up to preference but imo it makes sense to not intentionally deny your players useful spells, as long as it doesnt break the game

[fathom gate]

You’re all about to meet your most formidable opponent

[burnt valley]

If DMs do that, study the entire dnd statblock

[fathom gate]

BOBLIN THE GOBLIN! The best breakdancer of the century

[silk hare]

I mean Im usually already good with numbers and memorizing stuff, I think I could at least memorize the ballpark of a LOT of common creatures if I wanted to

and theres plenty of things that let you take advantage of knowing the AC of creatures or mechanics

[hot reef]

I’m not criticizing metagaming, there’s going to always be some inherent to the system
I don’t get how hiding a bit of information from players would be metagaming

Spell slots are a valuable resource, especially in t1, but a monster’s attacks are also a valuable resource

Play the way you want, of course, but hiding the exact attack roll result isn’t crazy

[silk hare]

its not crazy, but a bit annoying imo, again its a game you play with others, just saying: "this happens to you, then this and this bc I know what you can and cant do" is a bit iffy to me

[prime basin]

You laugh but that was a merchant goblin bard in my first dnd campaign

[hot reef]

I’ve done it a couple times, I’ll just say “above 20” and I believe there was one instance where a paladin used Shield and it still hit

-roll
-“oh, that hits”
-“you take x damage”
Is different than
-roll
-“you take x damage”

Not giving the exact attack roll result is pretty common for players to do as well (if they roll higher than they already have for an attack that hit, and they don’t want to do pointless math)

[restive plinth]

D&D pride!

[glass granite]

Oh a fellow Aussie!

[restive plinth]

Hii

[fathom gate]

Your bard was a breakdancer?

[glass granite]

Hallooo

[prime basin]

absolute insanity imo

[glass granite]

I’ve seen some DM’s do something like that. I remember I tried out doing “that hits” but not specifying by how much

[prime basin]

Oh he wasn't my bard he was an npc that would come around with loot. But yes he was a dancer of sorts and had pink hair with sunglasses. I call him a bard because thats what I think of him as closest to but he was really just a loot goblin merchant

[fathom gate]

That is so good. Am i allowed to steal that for my onepiece themed campaign

[round bay]

Hey can someone guide me on how to Multiclass Paladin? Maybe the Hexadin or something

[lyric viper]

#character-discussion could be a good place for that, or if you want the more nitty gritty numbers, #optimization

[round bay]

I see, thank you! I apologize for my mistake

[lyric viper]

No worries, you'd didn't make any mistake, I was just trying to be helpful and guide to the best channels for digging into that!

[undone rain]

We just started a boxing match in dnd as in pvp and i got wrecked lol

[severe rampart]

only unarmed strikes?

[undone rain]

Only unarmed

[severe rampart]

so you couldn't divine smite your unarmed strikes?

[undone rain]

Nah, no magic allowed. Especially when facing a sorcerer

[glass granite]

You lost in a boxing match against a sorcerer?

[severe rampart]

how did you lose that bad

[undone rain]

Yep i rolled HORRIBLY

[severe rampart]

I think you should be removed of your Paladin status

[undone rain]

Im starting to think so too

[severe rampart]

Fought against a sorcerer in a battle of unarmed strikes and lost AS A PALADIN

[undone rain]

The guy has a natural ac of 17 and i rolled awfully

[severe rampart]

Draconic Sorcerer then?

[undone rain]

And i was prone several times so i couldnt reach him

[glass granite]

Ah it was a Draconic sorcerer, that tracks

[undone rain]

Yep

And he rolled high almost everytime

[severe rampart]

are you sure you didn't fight a warlock?

[undone rain]

No hes a sorcerer the guy just rolled high af

[limber trail]

what is the strength differential between the two of you lol

because I would have assumed it would be like, +1 vs +4 in your favour

[glass granite]

Let’s not also forget the damage that sorcerer would’ve been doing. Strength is rarely a strong suit

[undone rain]

Well i rolled my stats and i got awful stats so 16 strength for me and him 18

[limber trail]

oh yeah - that is mainly what I'm thinking about actually.

[undone rain]

I focused more on charisma for magic

[limber trail]

why does the sorcerer have 18 strength what on gods green earth

[undone rain]

Rolled for stats

[glass granite]

I beg your finest pardon

[limber trail]

what did the sorcerer roll to have an 18 strength

[undone rain]

Dont ask

[limber trail]

I feel the need to ask

because that is a concerningly high number

[glass granite]

I feel scared of the answer and will not ask

[limber trail]

That's either a gimmick build or perhaps not the most honest of rolled stats (forgive the assumption if they rolled stats publicly and did just rolled well)

[undone rain]

They just rolled well

[limber trail]

I am curious though like what on earth do they have lol

[undone rain]

I barely rolled well. My highest are 18 charisma, 16 strength and 12 constitution

[remote wadi]

Is it possible to equip both sword and shield in the same turn without the dual wielding feat?

[limber trail]

A shield takes an action to equip, so generally no (although like most equipment it's generally assumed you have it equipped during an adventuring day)

(equipping a weapon is done specifically as a part of the attack action)

[noble pine]

On the beyond app it will only let me pick 1 subclass but can I change that after I print it out

[remote wadi]

Asking because with variant human, I have 2 options for my starting Sorcadin
Longsword and shield with War Caster
Or Greatsword with GWM

[limber trail]

So, for each class you have, you can only have one subclass. You can get a second subclass for a different class by multiclassing (for example, as a level 3 rogue & level 3 druid, you could have two subclasses, but only one rogue and only one druid subclass)

[glass granite]

They likely mean cuz they only have access to one subclass due to only having the free basic rules

[humble cairn]

2014 or 2024?

[remote wadi]

Either is possible, you know my habits if making the character long before the campaign
But 14 is more likely

[noble pine]

I only have the free version of beyond

[limber trail]

Generally speaking when you roll initiative it's almost always assumed you have your combat equipment ready to go

so that's not as much of an issue

the issue is only really if you wanna change between two loadouts on the fly

[glass granite]

They probably mean to want to cast with somatic components I think? Else idk.

[limber trail]

Oh right - once you print the sheet out you can pick any subclass you want, yeah.

[glass granite]

Cuz I’m kinda confused by the question

[limber trail]

which yeah, you will need to have war caster to do

[glass granite]

Does being a paladin with the holy symbol on your shield work?

[limber trail]

it will fulfill material components but not somatic ones iirc

[glass granite]

Will it fulfil somatic components with warcaster?

[limber trail]

well with war caster you can fulfil somatic components while holding a weapon or shield

[noble pine]

Does buying like one of the plan give you much more

[glass granite]

Ah, then yes definitely

[glass granite]

Buying the Players handbook online gives ya three more each

[limber trail]

It doesn't give you any more content or books. The plans let you have more characters, campaigns, and share that content, but it doesn't let you actually access the books. If you buy the PHB, you'll get access to it. However, I'd hold off on that. When you join a game, usuallly the DM will provide some kind of access to the core books you need - it's rare that a DM doesn't.

[noble pine]

I just bought the physical copy of it

[undone rain]

He has claws as well so

[glass granite]

Yeah print it out and copy it in

[undone rain]

And i dont

[limber trail]

there's templates online for blank character sheets you can print

[remote wadi]

Hmmm

Okay, I guess I should change the question

I know for Sharpshooter, the -5 isn't as impactful because of the 2 modifiers + Archery

But what about GWM with a Greatsword?

[noble pine]

Thanks everyone for answering my questions

[limber trail]

either can be substantial. It depends A) on your stats, and B) on your build. If you have advantage and a good strength score, maybe you can justify the -5 pretty consistently. At higher levels it's certainly a pretty easy deal, where you're routinely hitting into the 30s. At lower levels, you'd need to think more carefully about it

You can incredibly easily build around GWM and it can be really strong

But you do need some consideration because it is still a -5

[severe rampart]

I'm becoming too attached to my character, and I haven't even played him

[remote wadi]

Okay, I'm asking this because my character will be a Sorcadin, with the first half likely being a Glory subclass. To say he will hit hard on the physical side will be expected

As for why GWM instead of possibly longsword shield War Caster? He will also be a Wild Magic Sorcerer with a somewhat controlled soft spot for gambling, both in and out of combat

So realistically... both are possible

[glass granite]

At the end of the day it’s what you want

[remote wadi]

What i should also be asking myself is...

Why is a Flail not a reach weapon? The chain could easily be made to have such reach

[glass granite]

We go back to the word “balance”, probably.

[limber trail]

in real life most flails aren't much longer than a sword, and some are even considerably shorter

[glass granite]

Granted they’re usually shorter than spears

And yeah, the longer ones are used in farming

[limber trail]

at longer lengths I imagine they are also quite inaccurate and you struggle to deal full damage with them

(speaking from an irl perspective. From an in-game pov, it's exactly as nugget said: balance)

[glass granite]

The dnd equivalent is also likely the one handed flail

[limber trail]

is there a two handed flail?

[undone rain]

Ye

[glass granite]

Indeed

[undone rain]

They were farming tools

[glass granite]

And some two handed ones were used, granted not all too commonly

[limber trail]

(I am referring more generally to in dnd lol, I do see my error now)

Thought you were implying dnd had two handed flails

[remote wadi]

It's just a little sad, to be honest. They could have given martial weapons some cool perks to them instead of just doing more damage

[glass granite]

Oh no, they’re versatile iirc

[limber trail]

nope, one handed

[glass granite]

Oh really? I must’ve misremembered

[limber trail]

weapon masteries exist in 5.5e and address this pretty well

[glass granite]

They did, it’s called weapon masteries

[remote wadi]

Flails being d6 and reach wouldn't be that bad from what I would understand

[glass granite]

One handed reach weapons are usually 1d4

[remote wadi]

No, I mean like

Giving more tags on weapons instead of the main selling point being damage

[glass granite]

Well dnd rn mostly has tags for:
Use this with two hands!
Use this with one hand!
Use this however!

[remote wadi]

Also, I just checked, and only whips are one handed reach, and even then, they have finesse

[glass granite]

And only whips are single handed reach

Plus, if we’re doing one handed reach, the spear and trident are right there

Balance wise obviously it wouldn’t work, but logically

[limber trail]

I think people don’t realize just how strong reach actually is

[remote wadi]

Trident and spear is thrown, not reach

[glass granite]

Ik

[neon sandal]

Forgot what server I was in and thought we were talking about Minecraft

[glass granite]

lol

Anywho, reach is something usually only given to some polearms, it’s not something to give out easily

Being able to attack without provoking opportunity attacks (not to mention being able to use less movement) while still having the benefits of a shield is very strong

[remote wadi]

I suppose so

But if we were to talk about strength, this is also 2014 we are talking about

Spellcasters. Need I say more?

[glass granite]

Yup

[cobalt berry]

Hi guys

[glass granite]

I don’t think buffing martials by boosting one weapon is the solution

[remote wadi]

For clarity, not boosting one weapon

[glass granite]

Goood morning afternoon evening!

[glass granite]

Even boosting weapons themselves really. That’s not the issue for most tables

[limber trail]

Martials also really aren’t as weak as people are saying in the context of DnD’s intended design, it’s more a product of the way a lot of games are played & DM’d that results in the spellcaster/martial divide

[glass granite]

Most of the divide comes from the difference in utility and burst sheer power

[remote wadi]

Just saying martial weapons could have had a lot more variety with tags, but most of them are Finesse, 2 handed, or heavy

[glass granite]

(And light)

Also I was talking for both 2024 and 2014

[remote wadi]

Light isn't too common for martial weapons in 2014

[glass granite]

Around the same as heavy no?
And finesse too

Forgot heavy is for all polearms so there’s a bit

[remote wadi]

Nope. Only 2 martial light weapons are Scimitar and Shortsword. 2 out of 18

[halcyon forum]

well spear/quarterstaff also count as polearm in 5e

[glass granite]

Hand crossbow?

[glass granite]

True

[remote wadi]

Was not including ranged weapons. But being 3/23 could be worse in that lens

[cobalt berry]

I didn’t even bought the game yet but I just like fantasy, also if I will buy it will be next month, for some reason I have no dnd in my country at all, so yeah I should wait a month or more so just an essential kit arrives

[glass granite]

True a lot of light weapons are also simple

[remote wadi]

I'm just saying, with how many weapons there are in medieval eras, and how many forms of damage there are across 5e as a whole, feels like a waste to have it all be semi playfully brushed off as "Leave our pointy stick meta alone"

[glass granite]

Mauls would like to a word

[remote wadi]

Just an exception to the rule

[glass granite]

Also warhammer and longsword are equal, warhammer is better imo

[remote wadi]

Both of those are pretty good, but polearms are just overall the better ones

[glass granite]

Also flails are 1d8

[glass granite]

They’re good with shields and don’t require a feat to be equal/better

[halcyon forum]

reach is just that good, and PAM doesnt make thing better for other weapons

[glass granite]

That is true

[burnt valley]

Warhammer sounds 40,000 times cooler tbh

[remote wadi]

And all in all, being able to make new realistic weapons are cool, but unfortunately rely a ton on an Arificer, good rolls with a Tinker or Smith tools, and a DM that is chill with it

[halcyon forum]

but I do appreciate that polearms dont have access to all masteries than one might want

[glass granite]

Mostly the DM part.

[halcyon forum]

especially Vex

[glass granite]

Yeah polearms have eh masteries, barring good ol quarterstaff

[remote wadi]

This was more referring to 2014

[glass granite]

I don’t see much reason they’d have one for 2014 and not the updated version

[remote wadi]

Either way, I was half tempted to do Flail and shield until I was unfortunately reminded flails are not reach weapons

[glass granite]

Flail and shield is completely fine

[halcyon forum]

cleave is very DM dependent, graze is good but less so on Barbarians who are classic users of heavy weapons, push is alright

[remote wadi]

It's not the same. 5 feet is too smol

[blissful ibex]

Trident is also topple
don't think it's one of the ones with a carve out for PAM though IIRC

[glass granite]

Yeah it’s not. So technically not a polearm

[halcyon forum]

yeah trident does not get PAM

[glass granite]

I rule that it does at my table cuz I think it’s stupid

[limber trail]

I’ve had a lot of fun using the push mastery as a paladin in a game I played a while back

[glass granite]

I once made a barbarian that could yeet enemies and it was SO fun

I was finally able to bring Arlo back in a one shot

[limber trail]

Love to see it

I’ve got a handful of characters I’d love to bring back for a one shot because they never really got their due

[remote wadi]

Actually, I take it back. Something that could have been good potential for flails

[glass granite]

Charger, crusher, barbarians pushing strike thing, got a free feat to get pushing attack

Was SENDING those pirates overboard

[remote wadi]

Flails should ignore any physical or magical shield defenses

[glass granite]

Yeah nah

It’s a shield for sakes sake, it still can block stuff

[limber trail]

I’ve made a high level fighter who’s built around the entire concept of hitting enemies, pushing them, and charging right into them for potentially up to 2d8+2d10 bludgeoning damage

[humble cairn]

That sounds .. off.

[remote wadi]

The concept of a flail was to still attack around shields

[glass granite]

My barbarian had like 50ft of YEET

[glass granite]

Indeed, but completely ignoring it 100% of the time? The shield still exists!

[limber trail]

People seem to want to give martial weapons more features than they really need. Plus for a stat block I don’t know how that would work. Most stat blocks just list one flat AC, there’s basically never a full breakdown of the components of that AC

[humble cairn]

In general I feel like Weapon Masteries gave some extra tactical use to different weapons and it was enough, I don't prefer the weapon system getting too gritty.

[limber trail]

A flail can just hit good

[glass granite]

Indeed

[remote wadi]

They still have things like being able to evade attacks and natural AC

It won't be a foolproof way of getting around shields, but it could work as a countermeasure against it

[remote wadi]

Then it just becomes a far less spicy maul

[glass granite]

You can use a shield with it

Plus, I’d disagree anywho, flails are cool enough to be plenty spicy

[limber trail]

Deals piercing instead of bludgeoning

Which situationally can matter

[remote wadi]

That would be a Morningstar

[glass granite]

Flails do bludgeoning

[limber trail]

Wait, don’t flails deal piercing? My bad gang

[remote wadi]

Flails are bludgeoning

Morningstars are piercing

[glass granite]

Which is nice for crusher (my fav out of piercer, slasher and crusher)

[remote wadi]

Probably the best one out of the 3 too

[glass granite]

Idk if it’s the best, I just like pushing stuff

[remote wadi]

Piercer is pretty meh as time goes on, and Slasher isn't bad by any means. Just is a lot better to buff everyone's attack rolls for a turn vs nerfing theirs

[remote wadi]

It's probably the best because what is has is pretty good with the competition being pretty mid in response

Pushing something 5 feet away has a genuine use because of OA denial

Vs decreasing speed by 10 feet and rerolling one weapon die a turn

[glass granite]

That pushing also lets ya send people 5ft upward, so you can use other pushing effects to turn your weapon into a golf club

[remote wadi]

Critical effects are also pretty lackluster for the other 2. Aforementioned Slasher's and Piercer getting just one extra weapon die

[glass granite]

(My personal fav use)

[remote wadi]

Lastly, despite the other 2 being Str or Dex... Crusher lets you choose Str or Con

[glass granite]

That’s quite minor imo

[blissful ibex]

creatures fall immediately though, so you can only ever get them 5 ft up in that case

[remote wadi]

It isn't the biggest thing in the world, but a chance to boost Con is still decent

[glass granite]

Sending them 5ft upward and pushing them directly away would work no?

If it’s the same effect

(At least my DM let me send things at a 45 degree angle, bless them)

[limber trail]

If you push them 5ft up then they just immediately fall back down, or they just get pushed 5ft away without much change

[glass granite]

Ah, shame. My DM rules that because it was the same attack I could send things up 5ft to send them directly away at a 45 degree angle and just SEND enemies

[remote wadi]

So yeah. It isn't the worst thing in the world

But I feel like they could have been more creative with martial weapons

[glass granite]

Though, if I was directly beneath them…

[remote wadi]

Anyways, another question for now

Can a spellcasting focus be a weapon?

[glass granite]

I could send them up like 50ft and then 5ft off to the side so they don’t fall on me no?
If that’s how that works

[glass granite]

Sometimes if the feature calls for it

[pliant sapphire]

Depends on the class/subclass/magic item

[remote wadi]

Paladin. Probably a greatsword

[glass granite]

No

[humble cairn]

If you're Swords Bard, a new Bladesinger, an Artificer, or anyone using a Ruby of the War Mage.

[glass granite]

Granted you have a holy symbol so you’re fine

[pliant sapphire]

Pact of the blade, valor/swords bard, Artificer..

[glass granite]

Just have your holy symbol be worn visibly and it’ll act as your focus

[humble cairn]

Oh did new Valor get it, too?

[blissful ibex]

subclasses like Valor Bard give you a feat that says it can be
otherwise you can grab Eldritch Adept for Pact of the Blade as the pact weapon counts as a spellcasting focus

[remote wadi]

So I am relatively undecided for which to do

But the options are either Flail and Shield with War Caster
Or Greatsword with GWM

[jovial badger]

anyone play rogues?

[undone rain]

I will hopefully

[jovial badger]

or specifically dual wielder characters, i have some questions about an interaction

[remote wadi]

I play Gloomstalker Ranger. Close enough?

[fiery perch]

I've read the rulebook, how can I help

[blissful ibex]

Greatsword GWM is a massive increase in DPR, especially if you can use the Graze mastery, but it comes at the cost of 2ac via wearing a shield
if you kill the enemy faster, they have less rounds to hit you

[jovial badger]

(essay warning)

[remote wadi]

This is 2014

[halcyon forum]

sometimes

[dusky juniper]

Anyone here a long time dnd player?

[blissful ibex]

gotta specify

[fiery perch]

Define long time

[dusky juniper]

erm prob 2 years+? idk

[fiery perch]

not me then

[dusky juniper]

maybe 1

[fiery perch]

Maybe me

[blissful ibex]

if you have enough + to hit to burn on GWM, then probs take that, it's kinda gamba though

[dusky juniper]

fire bro, you wanna become my dm?

[slender gyro]

Sadist PC that learns healing spells and necromancy just to keep hitting his enemies? Bonus points for using damage they are resistant to in order to make his fights last longer

[humble cairn]

If you have a question about how two rules work together that's for #dnd-rules, but I'm guessing you're going to ask about Nick and the Dual Wielder Feat?

[fiery perch]

I am already DM'ing in a westmarch, my hands are full in that - if you are looking to join one then hit me a DM

[jovial badger]

so if i have the dual wielder feat and am a level 2 rogue, could i take my 2 masteries in rapier and scimitar. both are finesse (str is my dump stat). could i use my rapier as an action, get vex from that, giving me advantage on my next attack roll, dual wield my scimitar with the nick mastery property, allowing me to dual wield that as part of my action, add sneak attack on it because of advantage from vex?

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[jovial badger]

NAT20 INTELLIGENCE CHECK FROM THIS GUY

[fiery perch]

Insane

[humble cairn]

Calm down a bit with the all caps, please. It messes with some people's assistive tech.

[remote wadi]

How important/frequent is concentration on a Sorcadin?

[jovial badger]

oh sorry. but that was impressive! (impressive in caps)

[blissful ibex]

have to use swortsword, rapier isn't a light weapon

[humble cairn]

Rapier is not a Light weapon, you can't start the chain with that.

[jovial badger]

could i start with scimitar, then rapier?

[dusky juniper]

dm'd

[humble cairn]

Probably more important than on other casters because you're likely up in melee.

[blissful ibex]

I'm probably not the right one to ask, I don't really play either class individually let alone together >.>
It's not a problem though if you go 7 levels in the new paladin UA from the mystical classes UA c:

[humble cairn]

If you have the Dual Wielder Feat you can attack with a Rapier as your Bonus Action, but not as part of your Attack with Light weapons.