dnd-discussion

[blissful ibex]

unless you go deep into SAD optimization while the rest of the party isn't

and even then, you usually just end up incredibly lopsided towards combat and a few choice bits of exploration/social pillars

[lusty oriole]

Okay okay, I was just worried because the last campaigns that I did either didn't like my character or just didn't like how I designed my character out of the genre but maybe thats just a me thing

[empty thicket]

yeah but you need all that ingredients, +250gp metal rod attuned to a plane

[burnt valley]

Myowwers #optimization if you need your character some adjustment power-wise

[lusty oriole]

Thank you :))

[blissful ibex]

250 GP at level 13 is pretty much nothing

Like by tier 2, you're getting a couple hundred per Quest; and tier three you're getting even more

unless your DM is giving you basically nothing, you can easily afford that

you're spending more on a single 3rd level scroll, or a cast of revivify at level 5 and that actually consumes its material

[severe rampart]

Trying to play every class at least once, what should I try? (Multiclassing allowed)

[crimson gulch]

human champion fighter, dex build, two weapon fightning

[blissful ibex]

Start barbarian into Rogue, use a rapier using strength for the modifier

[burnt valley]

Artificer 1/Chronurgy X

[lusty oriole]

Can people make a quick one shot campaign right now? Or like have a small DND campaign so that I can uh- practice myself

[blissful ibex]

oh, Not every class at once, every class at least once XD

[severe rampart]

yep 😭

[burnt valley]

7 Oath of the Watchers Paladin/3 Undead Warlock/Divine Soul Sorcerer X

[severe rampart]

maximum 12 levels for multiclass

[blissful ibex]

Bardlock c:
you want two levels of warlock and six levels of valor bard

[severe rampart]

hey, guess what I'm playing right now ba dum tiss

[blissful ibex]

lets you make an attack with your pact weapon and then also cast Eldritch blast with agonizing blast

[burnt valley]

Ah darn then uhh Artificer 1/Chronurgy X or 8 watchers paladin/3 undead warlock/1 sorcerer

[lusty oriole]

Is a small campaign one shot okay?

[blissful ibex]

Shadow Monk, Shadow monk is fun

[reef copper]

Check the looking for group sections of the discord

[burnt valley]

Yes

[severe rampart]

Why artificer if I may ask?

[burnt valley]

You get proficiency in medium armour and shield

[blissful ibex]

Their level 11 feature is also very nice, especially on artillerist c:

lets put 10 spell-slot free castings of fireball on the bard, rogue, or ranger or w/e c:

[burnt valley]

Arcane abeyance tiny hut lul

[vale kettle]

Hello folks i am writing a setting guide for my players and i am wondering what else i should include there besides
the world
Major cities
deities
Magic system
Cosmology
History
Threats

[umbral girder]

250gp is a level 1 quest reward. Easy to get by level 13.

[severe rampart]

I think that's for #dm-discussion

[blissful ibex]

try #dm-discussion, they'll be able to help more

[vale kettle]

thnaks

[umbral girder]

#dm-world-building will help a lot

[severe rampart]

Hey! you Echoed my words!

[iron herald]

Food

[jolly hound]

So excited for my next character I’m gonna play a shadow monk bugbear

[woven flint]

Hello, friends 🧐

[jolly hound]

Meowdy

[woven flint]

Hello, friend Jake

[jolly hound]

How’re you on this fine day

[woven flint]

Alive 🧐

[jolly hound]

Very glad to hear

[still plover]

Governments and culture.

What I'd really advise is brevity. Write all you like, have it available but a player will really benefit from one or two sentences that evoke the theme you're going for.

If you can fit a primer on a page it'll do a lot to help introduce players to your setting.

[jovial shadow]

Shadow Monks are excellent. Bugbears I don't know about

[vale kettle]

governments and cultures are kind fit in kingdoms so i think i am done with it, and from what i received in dm discussion all i have to do is ... well summarise it in 2 pages

[valid geyser]

monsters of the multiverse bugbears are weirdly strong. Free reach and 2d6 extra damage on enemies that havent been damaged in a combat yet. Just a grab bag of random strong features

[lavish flame]

I've never understood Bugbears tbh

I cannot wrap my mind around "these monsters are notable for their size and also their stealth"

[karmic pendant]

They're probably inspired by the boogeyman or bigfoot

[blissful ibex]

they're thin lanky spooky dudes

[uncut zenith]

Yep. That’s why they’re big, sneaky, and can hide in tight places

Like under a bed

[tranquil mango]

Hey everyone! Could you a quick bit of advice 🤨 I am setting up a campaign for the lost libraries of Lyth. Chanas, and I am currently adding maps to the campaign, I have the upper and lower levels of the library maps added, do I need to add any more?

[woven flint]

I learned about a new Dread Lord today

Draga Salt-Biter
He's a Wereshark priest of Umberlee

He's only in 2nd Edition,
But he's so cool

He also has an immense fear of sharks because in his childhood he was Shark-Baited by pirates ...Hook driven through his Calf and thrown into water with hungry sharks, only pulled away to safety when they got too close
He ended up slaughtering the entire crew way later after securing position as Chaplin on the ship

His Domain is called Saragoss for those interested :>

[livid valve]

Domain expansion...?

[woven flint]

Dread Domain

[livid valve]

He's on par with the king of curses!?

[woven flint]

Dread Domains are miniature planes of existence made by beings known as the Dark Powers

They're domains specifically made to torture the people who they're created for

[livid valve]

No jjk- alright I'm going to repel Eldritch blast you off a mountain

[blissful ibex]

not if I telekinetic shove you off the mountain first

[woven flint]

My savior ❤️

[livid valve]

Jokes on you my kenku has BUILT IN WINGS

Although I don't know if they can actually fly-

[blissful ibex]

so does my druid
and those actually work

[woven flint]

Kenku can't fly :p

[livid valve]

Your telling me a bird WITH FUNCTIONING WINGS can't fly?

[blissful ibex]

ostritches, chickens, and kiwi birds be like

[woven flint]

Their wings don't function

[livid valve]

THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING THEM

[blissful ibex]

Aura points

[cedar wasp]

What are yall guys favourite spells

[blissful ibex]

Favorite leveled Spell: Plant Growth
Favorite Cantrip: Elementalism

[livid valve]

Alright you know what fine I'll Eldritch blast under me to push myself 10 ft back onto the mountain

[lavish flame]

I believe so. That adventure only features 2 maps (though you might consider finding a map for rhe town the party gets hired in)

[jovial shadow]

Indeed. An Assimar can only fly for one minute. Good for one encounter. lol

[lavish flame]

they got cursed

shit happens

[timber nova]

i have an issue i all of a sudden want to make a DnD game but i dont know how please can someone give advice usfull websights or just info for me please

[livid valve]

Oh but an assimar can fly?

[lavish flame]

you're questioning that an angel-kin can fly?

[blissful ibex]

#dm-discussion
VTT: https://roll20.net or https://www.dndbeyond.com
Encounter Difficulty Calculator: https://koboldplus.club/#/encounter-builder or https://donjon.bin.sh/5e/calc/enc_size.html

[livid valve]

If it has wings it should be able to use them

I'm going to send a very nice detailed 4 paragraph to wotc

[cedar wasp]

Penguins have wings

[lavish flame]

kenku got cursed 3 times, they got a super rough deal

[timber nova]

ok thank you @blissful ibex

[tranquil mango]

Thank you! Where would I find map of Shadowdale in the source books? Please and thank you.

[livid valve]

Next thing you'll tell me is fish have gills like a triton

Speaking of triton is there any reason to play one if there's no water around?

[lavish flame]

Chapter 2 of Adventures in Faerun has a map you can try to use (titled Shadowdale Town and Vicinity), but its really zoomed out and doesn't really depict a town, more a local wilderness. I might consider using the town from the back of the Dungeon Master's Guide for Shadowdale.

[woven flint]

Yeah, they get innate Spellcasting and can just.. communicate with certain creatures that have swim speeds

[livid valve]

Whats innate spell casting?

[woven flint]

Spells they get naturally as being a part of that species

[tranquil mango]

Thank you again! You are most gracious and knowledgeable 😀 please feel free to shoot me a message with other suggestions so I can have them as quick access if you’re OK with that

[livid valve]

Oh right gust of wind and water wall or something

[jovial shadow]

Like Elves have innate spell casting

Sprites

Fairies

[tall forge]

I have made my campaign real dark and serious

And must find out how to lighten the mood soon

[blissful ibex]

Whimsy, you need a bit of whimsy

[tall forge]

Currently my players must un-apocalypse the world

After causing the apocalypse

[karmic pendant]

Give the players a funny npc to join them

[tall forge]

Considering it

[blissful ibex]

every grimdark campaign deserves a Jingly John

[lavish flame]

take the Fallout route and litter the apocalypse with humourous NPCs and groups

[tall forge]

Unfortunately gotta hit the vibe of distrust since the apocalypse they caused was the vampire one

[blissful ibex]

IIRC, in an old homebrew 4e campaign my brother played in; one of the players basically invented vampirism in the setting and did a fairly simmilar thing

[tall forge]

My players unleashed an elder god of night who ate the sun and made vampires

A classic

[blissful ibex]

One of them did the vampire thing; my brother's wizard was trying to crash the moon into the planet or freeze the world or something, can't remember

other three~four had similar plans, but am far more vague on those

[livid valve]

Codsworth

[tall forge]

I just made the “talentless wizard turned warlock” player character complete a ritual to summon a god, ignoring all the warning signs

Bc ofc the voices in their head who claim to be part of an ancient civilization are good, its because theyre the chosen one :)

And sure, it looks like that ancient civilization really tried to hide something evil and unknowable that killed them all

But my players arent dumb like them, obviously

[burnt valley]

Shapechange or True Polymorph

[shell crown]

Is durable a good feat?

[burnt valley]

nyet

[timber turtle]

anyone have a good story on getting a legendary item?

[blissful ibex]

or you could circle cast animal shapes for a >2 square mile radius of effect c:

[blissful ibex]

I would if I can find a game to play above like 6th level

[burnt valley]

Atropal nets you 2400 Wraiths per day

[rough basalt]

My Monday party got the deck of many things in the 1st session (to the legendary item question)

[blissful ibex]

just a ~2118x2118x2188 cubic tile sphere of Animal shapes AoE c:

[shell crown]

Durable basically let's you roll hit die anytime instead of only at rests right?

[blissful ibex]

ye as a bonus action IIRC; healer does similar but needs healers kits and an action and can also be used on other people, but you can add a modifier and reroll ones

[shell crown]

Thx

[burnt valley]

not in your control btw

[blissful ibex]

so, don't need it to be if you just need to cause as much chaos as possible c:

[glossy otter]

Say, has anyone ever had the moment where you're just looking up lore, only to then want to a run a campaign around it?

[jovial shadow]

Yeah but you have to wait until you are 17th level

[blissful ibex]

Not if you're playing in a campaign that starts in tier 4

[tall forge]

Unfortunately i am obsessed with homebrew settings 😔

[burnt valley]

I mean tbf, you just win DnD at that point

[glossy otter]

Tbh the more I look into Tarkir, I'm suprised dnd has rarely touched it

[tall forge]

You usually win dnd past level 12

[burnt valley]

Shadowdale with time travel except this time, you stop Midnight from ever becoming M*stra

[glossy otter]

Why is Mystra blocked out

[burnt valley]

Elminster will be like the 2nd BBEG because he will be trying to stop you from doing exactly that

[burnt valley]

Offensive to Wizards

[glossy otter]

If people are offended by her, it gives her power, thus is the nature of the world these days

[jovial shadow]

Depends really. If you are in a campaign that's combat heavy, you can definitely use the advantage on Death saving throws and spending HD to regain hit points. Otherwise no.

[lusty tendon]

what do you guys think is the best class (subclass included) to solo a dnd adventure (starting at lv 1)

personaly id say artificer (battle smith)

[tall forge]

Warlock prob

Is this from level 1?

[lusty tendon]

what subclass do you think is most effective for this?

[lusty tendon]

assuming yeah

[tall forge]

Celestial warlock

Good resource management (short rest gives spell slots, eldritch invocation gives infinite casts, etc)

And healing abilities on a bonus action

Technically a full caster as they get up to 9th level spells

[jovial shadow]

Shadow Monk, with Magic Initiate and Tavern Brawler. But really it all depends on the solo adventure. If you are just fighting one cr 1/4 monster at a time, it can be any class.

[tall forge]

Spellcasters are more optimal bc they, on average, deal much more damage

[craggy summit]

I think battle master fighter and light cleric

BM fighter will have really high AC and damage, as well as the battle maneuvers to really help out in combat

And light cleric might be one of the most loaded subclasses, you got warding flare for disadvantage on attack rolls, the massive channel divinity that's basically a baby fireball, as well as a really good spell list

[tall forge]

Second best class would most likely be a sorcerer (shadow), or wizard (bladesinger)

Survivability is whats important for those

The best class (solo) needs 3 things

High survival, high multi-opponent damage, and utility

Which just kinda means they need to be a a full caster

[jovial shadow]

starting from level 1 is much different than starting from the subclass,which is 3rd level in 2024

[tall forge]

This does depend on 2014 vs 2024, but playing from 1-20 spell caster is still your best bet

To be most optimal, id go a bladesinger human (2014) and take eldritch adept to get infinite casts of false life

Youll have a rough lvl 1, and its pretty smooth sailing from there

[silk hare]

idk false life is meh

also via eldritch adept, better feats you could pick

[tall forge]

Infinite false life will fall off hard but you gotta get past the early health issue of lvl 1

[silk hare]

also if you go human, go either MoP (can also be another race) if allowed or custom lineage for another feat

[silk hare]

worst case they die and make the same character again

[tall forge]

And you can replace the eldritch adept invocation at later levels

[silk hare]

also you have access to shield and decent saves, so its unlikely if you just stay in the back

[tall forge]

So, its still the best starting choice imo if youre playing absolutely safe

[silk hare]

yeah but playing absolutely safe is kind of unnecessary mostly

just staying in ranged and keeping at lesat 1 slot for shield is enough at those low lvls

[tall forge]

Yeah but the moment bad guys get a bow before you can bladesing your AC to the sky

Is what is gonna kill you most lvl 1

[hoary totem]

POV: you just designed a warlock with a good balance of wholesome and edgy and her whole storyline about her found family and moving on from her past, even with her patron getting a character arc about forgiving herself for past sins (long story)

dnd group I planned to join: Undead warlock isn't allowed!

Chronurgy wiz also isn't allowed because it "isn't official," it's technically CR and debated if it's official or not, but now I haven't got a character I can play in that group...

[tall forge]

Ok but chronurgy being banned is very understandable…

[hoary totem]

It's only banned because it's "not technically official" and considered CR in this group. Graviturgist is also banned for the same reason

[tall forge]

Undead is weird to ban id say

[hoary totem]

I even made a pocket watch custom arcane focus for my chronurgy wiz. I was originally also going to make a crystal pendant as a backup (i'd go evoker), but decided against it because I wanted to flesh out the rest of her design. Now my character got banned for her subclass which was nothing to do with balance

[tall forge]

Sucks for sure, but happens

[hoary totem]

Except ravenloft campaigns, undead is allowed in those. It's apparently setting specific

[hoary totem]

... Looks like that backup design is going to get some use.

[feral fulcrum]

It's really not that setting specific, it just appeared in Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft. If you've got powerful undead beings running around, Undead Warlock can be thrown in.

[hoary totem]

They banned magic pocket watches and La Llorona, send help

[feral fulcrum]

La what now?

[hoary totem]

... The patron. They banned undead warlock.

[hoary totem]

AKA my warlock's adoptive mother AKA if you mashed up Ceroba Ketsukane (undertale yellow) and the Pale King (hollow knight) and turned it water/ghost type

[small heath]

Question: what's the usage for the spell Blink?

[stone haven]

ive used it agaisnt hags and phase spiders that enter the etheral plane

[serene jolt]

Does anyone know if roll20 will add "Exploring Eberron"?

[stark maple]

why did no one tell me that a lich can get 16d12+10 in one turn

[hushed mason]

No one tells me anything.

[stark maple]

i threw one at my level 17 party and only 2 of them made it out alive

[lavish flame]

roll20 has been had Exploring Eberron

[stark maple]

btw how big are fairy

[karmic pendant]

Dang do they have any resurrection spells?

[stark maple]

the cleric died in the fight 😭

[karmic pendant]

Do you mean the playable species?

[stark maple]

yeah

i know they are "small"

[karmic pendant]

Physically they are just gnomes with wings

[lavish flame]

The size of Halflings and Gnomes, so Small. Between 2-3 feet tall usually.

[stark maple]

i see i was asking cause i wanted to make a fairy fighter

[glass granite]

2014 or 2024 rules?

[stark maple]

2024

[glass granite]

Noice. 2014 would’ve given you restrictions on heavy weapons

One of the changes I liked

[stark maple]

its only disadvantage or whatever reason

as if a goblin cant use a greatsword

[feral fulcrum]

It was a half-baked hold-over from earlier systems where size actually mattered, and weapon damage was size based.

[stark maple]

ah makes sense

[feral fulcrum]

2014 D&D was rather rushed out and unpolished, which left some rather glaring issues, such as the Invisible Condition being broken RAW.

[stark maple]

i really dont like how hiding gives you the invisbile condition like it makes sense but bro

[feral fulcrum]

Where even if they can see you clear as day with True Sight, didn't matter, Invisible Condition still applied and they had disadvantage to attack you. Because the wording was crap.

[feral fulcrum]

Also a complete aside. If you go Rune Knight, you can be Huge at level five, once per day.~

[stark maple]

i was gonna do echo but that also sounds cool

[north hawk]

In my experience, no one I played with ran it like that because that didn't make sense. If they can see you there is no advantage.

[tawdry sentinel]

Ah, but you can't see the questionable rules wording, because it's invisible.

[stark maple]

are the memories gone are you feeling numb..

[tame saffron]

I need a dm whos been around since first edition.

[feral fulcrum]

Yes, but it was still the RAW interpetation, even if anyone who was sane ignored that glaring oversight.

[stark maple]

hi

[jovial shadow]

Yes?

[feral fulcrum]

You seek the Forbidden Ones.

[undone rain]

If wyll from bg3 was a paladin instead of warlock, what oath would he take

[tame saffron]

May i dm you? What ive discivered the community isnt ready for. And i jeed the experience and understanding of a long time dm for the work to truly reveal itself.

[dawn tree]

Casters being stronger than martials is a common take.
Which level would you say is the power difference starting to take effect? 5? 9? 11?

[dusk crescent]

Probably Devotion?

[stark maple]

vengeance or devotion

[naive cedar]

devotion

[stark maple]

his whole job is being devoted to a flithy devil

[naive cedar]

IMO wyll would be an amazing swords bard

[dusk crescent]

absolutely

I usually multi-class him into one

[stark maple]

agreed

[naive cedar]

i should try that

[dusk crescent]

toss some swashbuckler rogue in there too

[naive cedar]

omg yes

[stark maple]

im going to defey the laws of science

[tame saffron]

@stark maple is it okay if i ask how many years you've been a dm? It does matter. Because not every dm will understand what i created. I need that old school mindset of characters built to survive instead of one shot kills. This class build is best described as an inevitable force.

[stark maple]

6-7 years now

[tame saffron]

Is there anyone present with 20 years experience as a dm?

[stark maple]

in chat i doubt it

[tame saffron]

Damn well ill take a shot in the dark then. May i dm you lady tiamat? I cant really publish it publicly yet. Youll understand if you give me but 20 minutes of your time.

[stark maple]

go ahead

[tawdry sentinel]

There are times when casters can do something interesting to solve an encounter and there are times when a caster just straight up sucks the fun out of it because magic and it's a fine line between the two.

[stark maple]

casters just are stronger then maritals and i think thats how it should be

"hot take magic is strong in this game mostly about magic"

[lyric viper]

You can also pop into #dnd-elder-editions and share your eldritch secrets.

[warm bloom]

if casters are meant to be stronger than martial characters then why do they dump strength

[naive cedar]

Jokes on you; my cleric dumped intelligence

[tame saffron]

Okay miss tiamat, its all sent. Please be very careful when looking through it. But that build. 22/30 times. Solos a tarasque.

[stark maple]

the tarasque the old one at least shouldnt even be cr 30 imo

[tame saffron]

Its the ultimate creation of my 15 years of experience as a player and dm. I hope you see how much time and work went into covering all sides.

[stark maple]

even a sorcerer fairy could possibly beat a tarasque

[lyric viper]

Ah, this is about a build?
Does it do infinitely exploding d1 dice, Charm a diety with a harmonica, so on?

[tame saffron]

This character build can solo all content in the game. And even have a chance, although extremely difficult to pull off, to stand his own against tiamat herself.

[stark maple]

more so its hiding from the creature so they cant attack you rather

[lyric viper]

You know, now I'm curious what the 1e 'cheese builds' were for just being ridiculous..

[stark maple]

the strongest creature i still dont think can be beaten

[tame saffron]

No exploit, no meta items. Take all the gear away? And he still dominates the field with pressure and control with basic gear.

[stark maple]

only thing i dont really agree with is GSB since that book has some crazy stuff

[tame saffron]

Its all rules as written. I didnt have the players handbook on dnd beyond so i was limited to the aource books i had.

[stark maple]

saddle bag is 3rd party is all i was saying

[tame saffron]

I know, but i was telling you i only had a few source books to go off of.

[jovial shadow]

No one is beating a Tarrasque in 2024,and probably not in AD&D 1e either

[stark maple]

Ring of the Assassin Lord

[tame saffron]

I have play tested.

[stark maple]

you can make the tarrasque take double damage for one turn in 24

Via hallow

[tame saffron]

Oh shit really?

[stark maple]

yeah

[tame saffron]

Wow. Okay does damn work?

[warm bloom]

its easy to beat a tarrasque. just jump on it's back and it goes into it's shell, then you can kick it into the bottomless pit conveniently placed as a 2d platformer obstacle

[serene jolt]

The 2024 one that just came out?

Not Eberron: Forge of the Artificer. But Exploring Eberron, the book that has the new Maverick and Forge Adept Artificer subclasses.

[tame saffron]

But yeah tiamat. I spent a long time putting that together. And it does solo most of the game. I havent tested gods. But this is probably the thing that stands the best chance solo at competing for control.

[stark maple]

Vulnerability. Creatures of any types you choose have Vulnerability to one damage type of your choice while in the area.

[serene jolt]

My party beat a Tarrasque using 2024 rules.

[stark maple]

It’s not that strong is why

[serene jolt]

I mean granted all of them except my Dragonborn monk got eaten but they were doing insane damage from inside of it while I was flying really high and just shooting it with a bow (Kensei monk).

[stark maple]

And plus a lot of things were buffed as well

[tame saffron]

Deaddok thats hilarious

[stark maple]

hallow is such a tough spell ng

[buoyant oar]

I know killing a Tarrasque is a goal of a 2e adventure.

[stark maple]

The only thing you have to worry about is the thunderous below

[hot igloo]

Hey. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions about something. Trying to find a good Paladin subclass for a character who didn’t mean to break their oath, genuinely thought their actions were abiding by it. Doesn’t necessarily have to be an oathbreaking subclass, I’m sure my dm wouldn’t mind me re-flavoring something.

For context, my character is a sun-themed Paladin that has a tenet to “be the light” and bring hope to people, basically. But he’s constantly telling a party member a certain person’s death wasn’t their fault. He’s trying to make her feel better, but the constant reminder is only making her feel worse. Since he’s not really providing comfort or hope, I imagine his oath could break. So, suggestions?

[stark maple]

It also has flat resistance to BPS tho

Since magical BPS is no longer a thing

[slate fractal]

One flying character with a bow and enough time

[stark maple]

^^^

[karmic pendant]

I don't think a paladin can break their oath unknowingly

[stark maple]

No they can

[dusk crescent]

Most times I don't miss distinction between non-magic and magic BPS but man does it suck for Barbarians that a lot of magic BPS stuff for enemies got translated into Force damage

[buoyant oar]

A quiver holds 20 arrows.

[stark maple]

I don’t either

[slate fractal]

Tarrasque is quite easy if you can fly and have space above it

[stark maple]

Repeating shot long bow

[slate fractal]

Multiple quivers

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah ammo is not particualrly an issue with how easy it is to get stuff like that.

[woven flint]

It's time.
It'd take a long time for a guy with a bow and only a bow to kill one

[hot igloo]

They absolutely can, in fact, most of the stories I’ve heard that’s usually how it goes. In any case, even it’s not supposed to be that way, that’s the story my dm and I want to tell.

[buoyant oar]

Access to Magic items is dm dependent. And if someone attempted to cheese a Tarrasque by flying and shooting arrows. Everything is getting accounted for. Where are the extra quivers? How much ammo do you have, etc.

[stark maple]

Articfer in the corner

[buoyant oar]

Not a default class so again dm dependent

[stark maple]

Most dms will let you play articfer unless

[slate fractal]

If we take on average 5 damage per round without crit it would take 136 turns

[stark maple]

The new tarr is resistance to Bps Tho

Granted again the hallow spell is right there

Allowing you to double your damage

[slate fractal]

I wouldn't know. I play on em 2014 rules

[woven flint]

I think Vunerability and Resistance would cancel eachother out

[lavish flame]

Exploring Eberron isn't 2024 updated on R20 to my knowledge

[stark maple]

They do but you could just instead give it vulnerability to something like force radiant

[woven flint]

The point is only using a bow though in this situation
Given there IS a bow that can do pure force damage.

[stark maple]

Yea

[woven flint]

That bow also doesn't require actual arrows as it's arrows are made when you fire it

Energy Bows for reference)

[tall forge]

I think a paladin breaking an oath unknowingly is sorta counter to paladin

[serene jolt]

No but DnDBeyond updated it and I was wondering if anyone knew if roll20 plans to do that as well.

[slate fractal]

Aracocra the evil cleric role with Eldritch blast

I forgot the name of the class

[stark maple]

I mean lemme break it down for you how many paladins do you know personally they sat down and read through there oath stuff

[woven flint]

Warlock
Also they're not evil Clerics
Also, not all Warlocks are Evil either

[stark maple]

Ehh the reflective carapace would cancel it out

[lyric viper]

All of my paladin players.

[tall forge]

Know personally? All of them

[slate fractal]

Warlock

[tall forge]

Literally every paladin player ive had

[stark maple]

I meant in general

You know dnd players can’t read

[woven flint]

My Drow Celestial Warlock is a pretty decent guy, though his humor is rather...
Rude.

[slate fractal]

Sorry, phone changed warlock to war lick

[rough basalt]

They can when they want to

[tall forge]

Bc having you become an oathbreaker by knowing your actions have consequences is way more impactful than me accidentally breaking it bc i was tricked or something

[rough basalt]

They just don't want to most of the time

[stark maple]

Being an oath breaker and breaking your oath is two different things homie

[slate fractal]

I don't play casters, I prefer melee

[woven flint]

Not all casters have to be ranged 🧐

[stark maple]

^^

[tall forge]

Squares and rectangles

And doesnt change my point

[lyric viper]

Breaking an oath can be done unintentionally, but I feel like it needs to be knowing or least clearly at fault of the paladin (for not noticing something they should, being naive, being foolish so on).

If something indirect... can they really be blamed for their choice? Is that a breach of their oath?

[rough basalt]

Squares and circles actually

[slate fractal]

Casters are usually squishy
We are not talking about half casters

[tall forge]

Choosing and taking fault of your actions is what i think makes breaking ones oath important

[rough basalt]

Yeah fullcasters can be melee

[stark maple]

No because while breaking your oath means you lose your holy powers while becoming an oath breaker means you get your powers by a different means

[tame saffron]

Totem of the bear. Psychic is the only damage that gets through fully unless enemies bypass resistances.

[rough basalt]

Bards, Clerics, Druids, Bladesinger Wizard

[tall forge]

Accidentally doing it by say, being tricked into it? Id be annoyed

[jovial shadow]

Sounds like it was a one shot and the DM said you were fighting a Tarrasque so you will be X amount of levels and choose your class, spells, weapons etc. Which is quiet different than a Tarrasque showing up as the Boss, which the DM never alluded to.

[woven flint]

I didn't say anything about Half-Casteers.

Spellcasters can easily increase their endurance wether through buffs or healing
That's why the Caster subclasses that do martial things work lol

[stark maple]

That’s in the old rules which very few people
Use now

[tall forge]

Technically you get it by the power of breaking the oath

[stark maple]

That’s up to the dm

[lyric viper]

Oathbreaker feels mor elike owning you have broken your oath. You identify with such. It's a rebellion against it.

You can break your oath without being an oathbreaker.

[hot igloo]

Well like in my paladin’s case, his trying to act by his oath wound up actually acting against it. I think that’d be a very interesting reason to break an oath.

[stark maple]

^^^ you don’t automatically become an oath breaker by breaking your oath is what I’m saying

[woven flint]

Thank you, friend. I was gonna go on a tangent lmao

[slate fractal]

I don't know T.T
I play monk or fighter
I am sticking to my comfort zone

[rough basalt]

Ye an Oathbreaker is like "I broke my oath. And damn! Evil felt good! I want some me more of that!"

[tall forge]

Doesnt have to be evil either

[woven flint]

Yes, they do.

Oathbreakers ARE specifically Evil

[stark maple]

Like if I’m a vengeance Paladin and I kill anybody but the person I sworn vengeance again I don’t automatically become an oath breaker

[rough basalt]

In bg3 sure.

[hot igloo]

Yeah, I think that’s a good way to put it. I do think my character is acting naively. He’s not doing it on purpose, but he still is.

He needs to learn.

[stark maple]

“Evil subclass”
“Death domain cleric”
Oath breaker Paladin

[lean wigeon]

obligatory oathbreaker is a misnomer comment

[tall forge]

Ehh i never really liked the idea of a subclass being inherently evil

[stark maple]

There only explains but still

[woven flint]

It's hard to justify an Oathbreaker being good when Oathbreakers go against Oaths for selfish reasons.

[rough basalt]

An oathbreaker is someone who intentionally breaks their oath in pursuit of dark power for selfish means in the current print of the class.

[woven flint]

^^^

[tall forge]

Oathbreaker who went against his oath to serve an evil lord

[stark maple]

I mean the oath breaker in BG3 is pretty cool

[rough basalt]

That's BG3

In 5e, you'd just break your oath.

[woven flint]

... yeah? Thats still being evil lol

[stark maple]

True

[tall forge]

As in your original oath was to the evil lord

[glass granite]

Like oath of the crown?

[stark maple]

From evil to evil ahh

I’m joking

[tall forge]

You found out the king you swore your savred oath to is evil as all hell, so you decided to break it fully

[woven flint]

Okay, but BREAKING that oath doesn't inherently make you an OATHBREAKER

[lean wigeon]

oathbreaker is a misnomer

[rough basalt]

Doesn't mean you become an Oathbreaker. Just means you broke your current oath.

[hot igloo]

That’s the official Oathbreaking subclass, but any Paladin who acts against their tenets would technically be in breach of their oath. It doesn’t have to be for selfish or evil reasons.

The official Oathbreaking subclass is widely regarded to be a limiting option for players who want to explore different story directions for their character.

[stark maple]

But it does say “you can use these powers for good or evil”

[slate fractal]

I might be to stupid to talk here
Uhh bye

[woven flint]

Oathbreakers pursue POWER over morals and promises

[glass granite]

Cya

[stark maple]

Chou

[rough basalt]

I don't care what it's widely regarded as.

[tall forge]

Yeah but thats flavor text general

[woven flint]

You can break an Oath to something and not become an Oathbreaker

[hot igloo]

He sure is. And he’s not inherently evil.

[tall forge]

No class should dictate your moral compass

[woven flint]

That's the whole point of the subclass!

[stark maple]

stares at 3.5e

[woven flint]

Oathbreaker is
"I wanna be evil and not follow oaths the subclasses"

[hot igloo]

Well there should be some consequences that’s still fun for the player. Not just losing their Paladin levels.

[stark maple]

This reminds of the chromatic dragons argument

[tall forge]

Maybe i like the abilities of oathbreaker, but dont want ti be evil 🤷

[stark maple]

So many oath breakers are evil that’s there very few that aren’t

[glass granite]

At worst imo you’d lose your subclass, and you could always change your oath

[tall forge]

Or maybe i want to have a player not become instantly powerless bc they made a hard choice and broke their oath

[rough basalt]

You only lose your oath abilities not everything

[woven flint]

You know a Paladin can take another oath, right?

[stark maple]

^^^

[rough basalt]

And it can be fixed over a long rest

[tall forge]

Oh really? They lose very little then

[valid geyser]

I mean from the original definition oathbreakers pursued evil. It wasn’t just a paladin who lot their oath, people just misunderstood the bad

[hot igloo]

I do think the official descriptions of every subclass can be ignored. If the subclass abilities fit the character, that’s more important than the flavor text.

[stark maple]

It’s depends on the dm most paladins are just stripped of there “divine power” oath

[tall forge]

Agreed. Classes and subclasses to me are just abilities, and official descriptions are just ideas on how you got those abilities

[stark maple]

Cause that’s were your power comes from

[rough basalt]

Mechanically you just lose your oath abilities but some DMs take it farther and make you useless

[valid geyser]

I kind of think you have to have the burden of proof for saying that all paladins who lose their oath become oathbreakers

[tall forge]

I mean i never made that claim specifically

I was just making a broad statement about oathbreakers should in general be aware that theyre breaking their oath

[jovial shadow]

Got to disagree with you there bub. The entire reason for role playing is to enact how your character's moral compas works. I understand that doesn't go down well now because of the live free dynamics permeating RPG's the past 10 years.

[tall forge]

Both the subclass and the condition

[rough basalt]

Tbh it can be hard to appear like the good guy when your raising someone's grandma as a zombie to fight for you. (This applies to everyone using animate dead)

[fickle heart]

stares even harder at 2e

[stark maple]

He gets it lmao

[tall forge]

Yeah but like…. Why would that be class specific and not character specific?

Why would the morals be attached to the class specifically

[glass granite]

Because oathbreakers embody morals
They focus around the changing and corruption of morals

[stark maple]

Something like that

[stark maple]

Oath breaker is literally called an “evil subclass”

Doesn’t mean you have to be evil but still

[tall forge]

This is my response to that

[woven flint]

I think it's completely sensible for some subclasses to be inherently evil.

[fickle heart]

I think the part that's hard to separate is that a lot of the classes were designed to have alignments attached to them. The friction comes from those classes now having the alignments removed and not making as much narrative or mechanical sense.

[serene jolt]

It was a one shot. But we were only told we can make level 20 characters to fight in the Divine Arena against a bunch of monsters.

[stark maple]

*Yes, Oathbreaker Paladins in Dungeons & Dragons are fundamentally intended to be evil, representing a paladin who has forsaken their sacred oath for dark power, often embracing undeath and fear, with abilities like controlling undead and terrifying foes. While some Dungeon Masters (DMs) allow for non-evil interpretations (like a "fallen" hero), *

[woven flint]

Death Clerics are literally envoys of DEATH.

Grave Clerics are their good counterpart anyway lol

[rough basalt]

Like Conquest Paladin at its baseline is about crushing the weak underfoot and breaking the spirits of those lesser than you.
Doesn't sound very good lol.

[serene jolt]

We only struggled with one monster, which wasn't the Tarrasque.

[stark maple]

your not I-

So while yes oath breaker is suppose to be evil doesn’t have to be

[valid geyser]

I don’t think necessarily that all oathbreakers have to be evil 100%, I just think a lot of what people think about oathbreakers is based off their name being a misnomer

[stark maple]

i just said that

[glass granite]

I agree with this. A DM can run it however they want, though they’re designed or supposed to be evil.

[hot igloo]

Also consider that characters don’t always choose their subclass. Obviously, players do. But look at sorcerers who are born with their abilities. They don’t get to choose whether their a divine soul sorcerer or a shadow sorcerer. All they get to do is choose how they use their magic.

So yeah, no subclass has to be inherently one alignment.

[tall forge]

I believe if youre creative enough, you can choose whatever class-moral pairing you want as long as it makes sense in story

[rough basalt]

The character isn't a thing that exists without the player

[dusk crescent]

It feels really hard to make a proper good or even neutral oathbreaker, it's another story entirely to make an oathbreaker who still works with the overall good guys though

[stark maple]

i prefer anti hero

[fickle heart]

It's not that classes need to have alignments attached, but the classes we have in D&D are almost universally based on their previous iterations that often did have alignments attached, so a better framework for classes that don't lean towards a certain alignment would likely involve recreating classes from the ground up.

[dusk crescent]

same for conquest

[rough basalt]

Ye an Oathbreaker could work with a party who doesn't mind them slaughtering the occasional grandma for an Undead to command.

[stark maple]

thats.. insane

i kinda like it

again its like how certain dragons are born evil but that dont have to be evil

[hot igloo]

They may have been designed that way, but it’s up to the player if they want to play them that way. If they can come up with an interesting story reason their lawful good character would be an oathbreaker paladin, why limit the agency as a player as say they can’t? I don’t think anyone gets to tell another person what their player can and can’t be.

[unreal crescent]

So I went with doing one of the premade campaigns on dnd beyond but all that I see is a description and such where’s the actual campaign

[undone rain]

Dont paladins get profiecency in every weapon or almost atleast?

[stark maple]

yeah im gonna worship vecna while being a good cleric

[dusk crescent]

like your character kinda has to overall be a bad person to actively choose to be an oathbreaker or a conquest paladin but they don't have to actually do evil things to good people

[hot igloo]

Is death inherently evil? Or a natural process to at happens to all living things? Mercy kills? The death of evil tyrants? Death clerics can be good.

[dusk crescent]

It's the kinda character that makes everyone else in the party relieved that they're on their side

[glass granite]

Would that not result in their lawful good paladin becoming evil? Cuz I can’t think of an “interesting story reason” that doesn’t involve them just not becoming evil while also being an oathbreaker if we go by the lore.

[rough basalt]

Cause if their "lawful good" character would do something heinous enough to gain a Dark Entities favor then I doubt they were lawful good to begin with.

[woven flint]

No, Death Clerics are though.

[undone rain]

Many oaths can limit you like the oathbreaker in bg3, he broke his oath for a good thing

[rough basalt]

BG3 is not 5e however.
It's it's own thing

[dusk crescent]

Grave Clerics are about the cycles of death and such while Death Clerics are murder and undeath

[stark maple]

20x kamahama

[hot igloo]

Create your own lore. And you don’t have to think about it, but someone else can.

[stark maple]

oh brother

[hot igloo]

They don’t have to be.

[undone rain]

Well you couldve also been cursed with a greatsword that has a person inside it and makes you commit atrocities and totally didnt happen to me a few sessions ago

[woven flint]

"The Death domain is concerned with the forces that cause death, as well as the negative energy that gives rise to undead creatures. Deities such as Chemosh, Myrkul, and Wee Jas are patrons of necromancers, death knights, liches, mummy lords, and vampires. Gods of the Death domain also embody murder (Anubis, Bhaal, and Pyremius), pain (Iuz or Loviatar), disease or poison (Incabulos, Talona, or Morgion), and the underworld (Hades and Hel)."

Source: Dungeon Master's Guide
Doesn't sound really that good to me.

[rough basalt]

Alignment just falls apart in that situation cause a "lawful good" character wouldn't say, slaughter an innocent family in cold blood because they want to (something that would make someone an Oathbreaker)

[stark maple]

Bhaal Bhaal Bhaal

[hot igloo]

Again, ignore the flavor text. Someone else in the chat and I were just talking about how the flavor text is ignorable. If the abilities fit your character, that’s all that matters.

[fickle heart]

The DM is well within their rights to restrict that, with there being quite a few compelling reasons to do so. At the same time, the point I'm making is that the classes were designed based on the past and as such call upon those themes, which can often have a lot of coding towards certain tendencies. As such, D&D isn't really the game as of yet to really make a lot of sense with total detachment from alignment to class.

[stark maple]

“Ignore everything that makes the subclass unique!”

[woven flint]

Grave Clerics are literally the good version of Death Clerics btw :p

[hot igloo]

That’s literally not what I said.

[stark maple]

thats legit what you said

[hot igloo]

No… it’s really not.

[glass granite]

It’s not

The thematics of a class can be tweaked at a table to make it interesting while still fitting with the mechanics. And the mechanics in of themselves can be interesting.
This just comes down a difference of how much one values the lore in the descriptions.

[hot igloo]

Well. Thanks a few of you for being able to have a civil discussion. I didn’t really get any suggestions to my dilemma, but I’ll figure it out.

[glass granite]

I for one do value them more so in paladins and sorcerers specifically (sorcerers less so), but each table can do what they wish if it works for them

[glass granite]

Wait what was your dilemma?

-# I don’t remember seeing one, don’t think I was here

[stark maple]

i broke the rules

[fickle heart]

The topic of ludonarrative dissonance is a pretty important one here, which happens when the mechanics don't match the story.

[fringe comet]

When using the spell creation,can you desummon the object on command

[woven flint]

I think the flavor of a subclass is absolutely important to an extent

[stark maple]

I guess so

[woven flint]

Though, I will say, I don't think they were saying just disregard the whole thing

But, if Death Clerics or Oathbreakers or whatever in your dms world are defacto evil then ya can't really say otherwise

[glass granite]

I don’t believe so

[glass granite]

This. It’s still something that’s up to the DM, and should be coordinated with the DM.

[rough basalt]

Ye in my world Death Clerics worship the old God of Death who was a very huge jerk, and their main tenant is "a day without making people suffer is a day wasted"

[feral fulcrum]

Edgelords Incorporated

[stark maple]

He’s he’s learning

[brittle sparrow]

I think part of it is that you are supposed to separate "natural death" from "death worshipping" because if they worshipped natural death they would just be edgy druids, but if they do the rest well they are just either like it happening or want to cause it :V

[glass granite]

Actually imma extend this to warlocks and clerics as well

[rough basalt]

Oathbreakers get their power from an old one as well who has a "must attack one defenseless entity" daily requirement or you lose your power.

[brittle sparrow]

Literal puppy kickers?

[rough basalt]

Yep, the Old One pretty much can't do anything evil where he's locked up so he decides to be petty and have his followers do stuff that'll upset people since it likely won't get them hunted down so they can keep doing so.

[woven flint]

The Old One is a Ragebaiter

[rough basalt]

He's the primordial "you guys just don't get dark humor" troll

[brittle sparrow]

incredible

the OG Edgelord

[fickle heart]

An example of ludonarrative dissonance:

Imagine a Paladin that wants their story to be about being loved by the common people and they want to play an Oathbreaker, but the world is very anti-Undead (like many worlds). That situation makes it where their entire kit seems to directly conflict with their stated goal, as their kit is about darkness, harm, and even controlling or creating the dead. If the player wants to use their subclass kit in a situation where they are also trying to earn the approval of the common people, but the common people abhor Undead, there's three primary results:

1. The situation is so grave that they would be letting people die otherwise. They decide to use their abilities in plain view of the people they want approval from and to protect, which makes the people mistrust/hate them because the people now know the Paladin can control the dead.
2. They choose not to use their abilities because using them would earn them scorn. People might die due to this, which means the Paladin has a true moral dilemma, and they are prioritizing their own "approval rating" over the lives of innocents. They have to grapple with them not sacrificing their approval for people's lives, despite that approval being their overall goal.
3. They choose to use their ability to save the people and the people are like "yeah, okay, you controlled Undead and you could use them to kill us, but this is okay, I guess! We have no problems with you." Despite the story impressing upon the players that Undead are universally hated and that people who can control them to fight for them are feared as an extension of that hate, the Paladin's deeds are met with shrugs and pats on the back. It makes one think that the description about the world hating Undead was actually a false statement and that it didn't really have much meaning. In the same sense, the people must not actually hate the Undead, they must just hate being attacked by the Undead.

The third is an example of ludonarrative dissonance, and can be similarly described in a videogame sense when you fight a boss and absolutely demolish it, and then you get a cutscene where your character gets one-tapped effortlessly. The mechanics of the game gave you the impression you were beating the boss, but then the story turns around and says "no, it's too early in the game for you to beat them." The player is left wondering why they even fought the big bad at all instead of getting one-tapped in a cutscene from the get-go.

[tame saffron]

This is literally the logic behind my rogue.

[rough basalt]

The 3rd case being kinda like how in Metal Gear Rising you suplex a giant robot and slash it to pieces then next cutscene get beat to a pulp by some ordinary dude who only has like one cyber replacement.

Least I think that might be a case? I'm trying to grasp what you're saying better sorry.

[fickle heart]

That's also another example, yeah.

[rough basalt]

Yeah it's really goofy, and I can imagine it being rough at the very least in tabletop where the game is deeper.

[fickle heart]

The term "ludonarrative dissonance" was originally used in a post about Bioshock, where the game's themes are about free will and the game locks you into a specific story of playing, thereby taking away your free will.

[rough basalt]

Huh. I never really thought of that.

[woven flint]

Bioshock is great

[rough basalt]

Bioshock is great

[fickle heart]

A similar D&D example could be a campaign focused on deep involvement in preventing a time-based world-ending disaster but the game actually lets the player go anywhere and do whatever for as long as they want, thus entirely devaluing the idea that the disaster was at all time-based.

Tying that back to Oathbreaker, my question really comes down to: "What does this subclass actually offer you aside from its themes?"

My own opinion is "not much, considering that Conquest also has an AOE frighten, has an aura that actually works better with that AOE, and even shares a lot of the impactful spells that don't relate to Undead."

[stark maple]

I came to goo 4 10

[lavish flame]

Reminds me of Bethesda games lol

[mystic gyro]

hey with the new druid does wildshape end when the temp hp is depleted

[delicate owl]

Does it say it does?

[delicate owl]

And thus, Ludonarrative Harmony was also used.

[prime basin]

Man, I hope if they add oathbreaker back to the game they change it a lot

[olive sky]

@rough basalt Undertaker PFP? Peak

[prime basin]

The subclass was so focused on fiends and undead and yet they didn't really have the right tools to actually get fiends and undead allies

[delicate owl]

I hope they make the UA Necromancer better tbh

[rough basalt]

Indeed

[olive sky]

Nice

[hollow hedge]

Playin DnD in two days any roleplayin' tips?

[normal canyon]

E

[lavish flame]

No, your Temp HP is just a buff for the beginning of the wild shape. You use your own HP as well. Your Wild Shape only ends if:

• (1/2 Druid Level) Hours pass
• You become Incapacitated
• You use Wild Shape again
• You die.

[stoic haven]

Anything specific you're looking for? Voices, player objectives?

[prime basin]

Grave Power and Grim Harvest look meh tbh

I think the problem with the necromancy wizard is that they went the way of turning the necromancy wizard into a more combat focused subclass than a summoner one but they didn't really do it well.

There aren't really any benefits to animating dead like there were in the 2014 book up until 14th level and summon undead feels kinda boring to me.

The necromancer should be a subclass that throws a bunch of undead bodies on the battlefield and makes them stronger while also benefiting from the deaths of creatures in some format

[brittle sparrow]

5e in general hates giving players a multitude of initiatives :V

[prime basin]

I think they wanted to solve the game slowing down when so many people are on the field

and the best way to do that IMO is what they did in the MM which is give numbers for creature attacks instead of forcing a player to roll the dice every time for an attack

[dusk crescent]

I do wish there were more saves for things tho

[brittle sparrow]

tbh, I miss static saves from 4e and having your spells requiere an active roll against those defenses

I feel it was a good streamlining while keeping the same amount of die rolls

[livid slate]

Do y'all think sorcerer / Bard works?

[woven flint]

Yeah, it can

[livid slate]

Elaborate?

[woven flint]

Bard first because you'd probably like light armor Proficiency, maybe?

[brittle sparrow]

sure, if you don't mind delaying your higher level spells a tad, its probably good

[delicate owl]

Luckily you won't be delaying your higher level spells slots though

[delicate owl]

I agree. They tried to make it both a decent summoner and combatant, but instead made some hodge podge of being "okay". That and I don't like the find familiar change nor that last feature just letting you blow up undead.

Should have just had some sort of sacrifice your undead to empower your spells or something feature, and the last one could have been some sort of free casts of the animate dead and create undead so they didn't have ot throw away spell slots every day

[brittle sparrow]

oh sure, the slots are fine, the spells know are the delayed ones

they should give up on Necro and just make it a pet class >_>

[feral fulcrum]

Oops all pet classes.

[sour cave]

So is 2024 zealot barb actually attached to a god or other such divine force now?

The book says they receive a boon from a god or pantheon

[feral fulcrum]

They were already fairly tied to the divine in 2014

[mystic gyro]

thats not to bad

still a fair bit removed from the durability they used to enjoy

[feral fulcrum]

One doesn't need to actually be powered directly by a god to get magical or semi-magical powers. One can be empowered purely by Faith itself.

[hard ginkgo]

Hello there, does anybody know what new first party books are coming out this year? Was anything announced?

[sour cave]

I kinda wanted to make a zealot barb that simply worked off hype for powers. Belives in his own hype and kept on getting stronger for believe in himself

[feral fulcrum]

I meam that's litteray how Glory Paladin works.

[sour cave]

MAKE SOME NOOOOISE

[undone rain]

Whats a zealot

[sour cave]

Subclass of barbarian

Dollar store paladin smite and lay on hands

As far as barbarians go it’s pretty good

[feral fulcrum]

"a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals." Ze google exists

[undone rain]

I mean ey if you dont want to be bound by an oath and dodging becoming an oathbreaker like the plauge

[undone rain]

Okay then

[feral fulcrum]

It's not really that hard to follow an oath.

[sour cave]

I’m not good enough at rp to play a good oath breaker

I would make it bad

[undone rain]

It is when your dm gets you a cursed greatsword

[feral fulcrum]

I mean that's also on you for attuning to things willy nilly without investigating them first.

[undone rain]

Its my first campaign give me a break

[sour cave]

If the cursed sword makes you break your oath against your will I don’t think it actually breaks

[undone rain]

Nah not like that it forced me to murder

Without control

[feral fulcrum]

#dm-discussion is where such indepth DMing questions go.

[undone rain]

Might multiclass to a warlock. Need me some range

[pallid oracle]

I tried, noone bit. so just throwing it here if anyone would be down to throw some tips for story building.

[undone rain]

What would the name be for that, palock? Wardin?

[pallid oracle]

ive made some disgusting builds just with 1 or 2 levels of hexblade warlock.

paladins and bards do really well with that multiclass.

[undone rain]

Oh boy

[hollow hedge]

voices. trying to find a good female voice for my character

[harsh hollow]

Under the new 2024 rules RAW a paladin could technically pick Pact of the Blade up with a feat and not need to dip at all.

[pallid oracle]

rn the build im working towards in my game is a college of swords hexblade build. it can max out around 98 damage per turn.

[harsh hollow]

Because the pacts are now just invocations without prerequisites.

It doesn't work that way in Beyond yet but they haven't reprinted Eldritch Adept yet.

[chilly tree]

Hey

[stark maple]

Sylune's Viper is such a funny spell ngl

[eager marsh]

shame it breaks so easily compared to what it does

[stark maple]

i mean yeah if you lose the temp hp then poof

[eager marsh]

yea and thats a pretty low bar in many casaes. as opposed to the spell just...lasting through its concentration

[undone rain]

Sooo can i dual wield in dnd

[harsh hollow]

With how it's worded I think as long as you have temp HP it doesn't have to come from the spell itself.

[severe rampart]

Yeah, multiple ways of how you can go about it

[harsh hollow]

Yes, though doing it well requires specific builds.

[undone rain]

Excellent, i was thinking of rogue using a dagger and rapier

[still plover]

You'll need a couple of weapons with the light property. Rapier has finesse, but isn't light.

[undone rain]

Well what is light

[still plover]

Any weapon with the light property. I'd suggest a shortsword.

You wait here a minute and I'll get you the list.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#Weapons

[undone rain]

Hm alr alr gotcha

[still plover]

Shortsword and scimitar is a fair pairing, I hear. You flavour the shortsword as your duelling blade, lean and stabbing, and the scimitar as an unusually broad-bladed slashing dagger. It can work.

[undone rain]

Ohhh that sounds great ngl. Alr ill think it over thanks so much

[scenic valley]

I just had a good campaign idea

What i run a campaign and i start it of as just a normal campaign do all the basic shit then I kill off all the players in session one to some misterus guy and then everyone comes back as undead creachers suck as ghost/zombie/skeleton and i mess with thare spells by adding like a undead twist to all them and then you make the entire campaign them trying to get thare soles back and I get like a npc or something to say it's in a castle/house then I make them get to that place and thay go inside but then they go out the door thay just came in and thay are now in hell ware thay have to defeat lusifer to get thare soles back

[still plover]

Answered in #dm-discussion , presuming you wanted an opinion.

[scenic valley]

I did bolth

[prime pewter]

Hm, would wizard or druid be more fitting for a witchy build? I was thinking more maleficent vibes, but I'm more asking for direct subclass recommendations.

[woven flint]

Illusionist, Enchanter

[prime pewter]

I think Illusionist will be cool!

[woven flint]

... Weezard

[prime pewter]

Weezard.

[stark maple]

EVO WIZARD

[worldly flare]

WIZARD MENTION?!

[stark maple]

wizard being the strongest class no matter what ttrpg you play fills me with joy

[undone rain]

Im thinkin of playing a semi evil rogue, well when i say evil i mean more like as in neutral. Dosent exactly have the bloodlust of a bhaal spawn but simplys a bounty hunter/just wants money and thats his reason for joining the party

He needs allies to succeed

[glass granite]

What happens if he finds a better job

[stark maple]

i just made a spider women who needed money so she took up boxing

[undone rain]

He canr get a job he has bad credit and is in debt or smth

[prime pewter]

Yea that tracks

All the fire and stuff

[undone rain]

Think ill go with a kenku. Could be useful for stealth

[stark maple]

i like thri kreens

[rapid cradle]

i have a odd question can someone help me make a funtional sukuna build that isnt overly op with a semi self standing story?

[stark maple]

thats asking a lot

[dusk crescent]

"Sukuna build"
"Not overly op"

[rapid cradle]

just a sukuna build would work

[stark maple]

but one think i always do is flavor my inflect wounds to be like dismantle

[dusk crescent]

That's like asking us to uncook a steak dinner lol

[rapid cradle]

lol i just need something playable

[stark maple]

mind if i dm you something

[rapid cradle]

sure

[woven flint]

Ah, yes "help me replicate anime character in D&D"

The answer to everything is bladesinger wizard /joking

[woven flint]

Nice banner btw lol

[limber trail]

the DM equivalent "help me replicate anime in D&D"

[rough basalt]

You ain't getting Sukuna in dnd

[woven flint]

I don't know why so many people want to play anime characters ngl
Not basing, but like... you could make literally anything else and still be incredibly badass

[limber trail]

“I want to be cool, I know X thing is cool, therefore if I play X thing I’ll be cool”

[wispy wing]

Hi guys. Does anybody know the people who made the website TabletopBuilds.com? Will they update the builds to the 2024 ruleset?

[woven flint]

Well, to be fair, I wouldn't wanna be Hokrun
I'd rather be an anime character
Because Hokrun is a bum

[quick mountain]

I’m new to d&d

[undone rain]

Never quite understood why padded armor gives disadvantage on stealth

Its cloth with wool inside

[woven flint]

You'd probably be more clumsy in thick padded armor ig

[wispy wing]

A lot of things dont make sense in dnd as it is trying to balance IRL stuff with game mechanics.

[undone rain]

Not really but i wont complain too much

[wispy wing]

Tokii is right there. Gambesons and similar padded clothing is very stiff.

[woven flint]

Have you ever worn thick padded armor?

Stuffs dense

[undone rain]

Armor? No thick wool yes

Shit makes me an extra 10 kg

I saw a lil video on this infact

Where a guy compared leather to a gambeson. Turns out the leather was louder. But i digress its for balancing

I dont want to seem like a whiny bastard, it is what it is

[quick mountain]

Hi

[prime basin]

Hello

[quick mountain]

I’m new to d&d

[woven flint]

It's not LOUDNESS, it's clumsiness.

Wearing thick padded armor all over your body would probably make your movement a lot more stiff.

[glass granite]

Do you want help getting started?

[undone rain]

I guess fair enough

[quick mountain]

Yeah

[prime basin]

I assumed so, any tips or help you need go to #dnd-newcomers

or you can just talk about stuff here

[undone rain]

Chainmail and plate tho make sense that we all can agree on

Better off wearing pots and pans while sneaking

[quick mountain]

I’m creating a character

[feral fulcrum]

I've got Chainmail that jingle jangles, jingle jangles!~

[fast latch]

Question because bored

If you could gain 20 levels in any class in real life, no Wish allowed, what would you choose?

I believe the best choice is Divination Wizard

Portent is just amazing

[stark maple]

chat is this a good homebrew rule?
Guns or explosives kill in 4 attacks

[limber trail]

that's a great way to have a level 5 fighter one-turn any enemy it can hit even remotely consistently

If you want explosives and firearms to have more oomph, the DMG '24 has a section in chapter 3 which has some buffed up firearms and explosives which pack more of a punch

[stark maple]

my dm wont listen to me and change the rule i might leave ngl

[limber trail]

💀

yeah thats an ill thought out rule

[quick mountain]

So I created a character using gacha life

[stark maple]

huh

[cyan estuary]

People to play d&d with I won't get back into it

[sick summit]

seems like I missed a day but it's alright cuz I'm back to say day 10 of saying (friendly) building sized cats should exist both irl and in D&D

[stark maple]

thats already a thing

[lavish flame]

Nah guns and explosives should just use the stats listed for them in the Dungeon Master's Guide

[sick summit]

what is?

[limber trail]

(the more common rules for guns are the rules listed in the PHB, the DMG firearms are designed for more modern settings)

[stark maple]

gynosphinx

[lavish flame]

yeah but Explosives r also in the DMG so i figured itd be easy to lump together

[harsh hollow]

I know there are modern guns in there but it's still always a little jarring to go through my DnD weapon list and see "Antimatter Rifle",

[lavish flame]

gynosphinxes are not building-sized. Sphinxes are Large or Medium iirc

[sick summit]

that's different

[stark maple]

its a big cat

[sick summit]

It's like a lion with wings, I'm talking about like a normal house cat scaled up to be building sized, no other mutations

[stark maple]

there is one in AI but its the oppisite

[rugged hawk]

Antimagic Rifle when? Rise up, martials!

[stark maple]

Oynx

[lavish flame]

Yeah I think the closest you get is the Sphinxes who are close to lions. There should be more massive animal statblocks, I guess.

[harsh hollow]

One day we'll get that barbarian that just gets to call magic stupid and it doesn't work on them. Trust.

[stark maple]

the biggest "animal" in dnd is Oynx

size is huge

[sick summit]

it's not in the app I use

[lavish flame]

Eberron has Totem Animals who are described as basically terrain for people to climb on and stuff

[rugged hawk]

I mean, you could just use a Sphinx and use the Enlarge stat modifiers on it. Or even twice, to signify it's even bigger than just 'enlarged'

[lavish flame]

Onyx is a housecat from an adventure in which you've been turned VERY tiny. Onyx is Huge because the party is like... ant sized when they meet Onyx

[stark maple]

exactly

[harsh hollow]

It's like when the cat from Cinderella is a boss in Kingdom Hearts because you got shrunk down.

[stark maple]

its still a huge cat

guys whats the MAX size of a medium creature aka me a goliath

[karmic pendant]

Probably around 8 foot tall

[livid valve]

There's no chimera in DND?

[hushed mason]

Sure there is.

Just maybe not fifth edition.

[fair summit]

There's definitely a chimera in 5e

[craggy summit]

There is, I found the statblock for it

[livid valve]

Dm id like to try and seduce the chimera as the bard in the group it's a risk I must do alone

[harsh hollow]

I'd be shocked if the traditional chimera (Goat/snake/lion) isn't in there somewhere.

[livid valve]

(im joking)

[severe rampart]

If there isn't, there's always the manticore

[livid valve]

Hold on I'm curious about something where did this whole joke start with bards sleeping with deadly creatures? How did this come to be

[livid valve]

That's basically the same thing

[severe rampart]

Persuasion

[harsh hollow]

The main version I always hear is seducing the dragon. Presumably because they're seen as seducing their way out of everything.

[severe rampart]

The most associated thing with Persuasion is seduction

[livid valve]

How long has bard been a class for?

[severe rampart]

They don't seem to understand that... there are other ways of persuasion 🥁

[naive cedar]

I assume people would often play bards and have them try to hit on everything

[tame estuary]

that's percussion

[livid valve]

"there are other ways of persuasion

There are other modes of control"

[harsh hollow]

Quite a while, though from what I hear it used to be a presitge class of rogue and I think druid?

[naive cedar]

much like how murderhobos are often rogues

[severe rampart]

No that's a drum

[severe rampart]

Assassin class yeah

[livid valve]

I wonder if that was the first furry to ever exist whoever started the trend

[harsh hollow]

Makes sense if druid is involved. x3

[tame estuary]

is it really a prestige class?

[livid valve]

Was

Idk I just go off of what they say

[harsh hollow]

I don't think they've done prestige classes in a while.

[tame estuary]

they don't have them anymore yes

[harsh hollow]

But from what I've heard Bard was a prestige class involving rogue and druid.

[livid valve]

Wtf is a prestige class

[limber trail]

old edition stuff

[harsh hollow]

Something where you need certain levels in other classes in order to take levels in it.

[livid valve]

I wonder how long older campaigns used to take compare to today

[limber trail]

i imagine much like today, it varied a ton

[tame estuary]

back then it's combat combat combat

[naive cedar]

Bard was a prestige class in ADND 1 that required taking both fighter and rogue levels

[harsh hollow]

I get the impression the further back you go the more deadly and less personal it was.

[livid valve]

Isn't there some group that has had the same campaign running for 27 years?

[severe rampart]

No, percussion are instruments that are often made with animal hide, persuasion is an ordered arrangement of all or part of a set of objects, where the specific order or sequence is crucial.

[naive cedar]

And yeah older campaigns were much more battle and exploration focused

[limber trail]

my assumption is always that it's actually just one group that has run multiple characters/parties

[severe rampart]

Some a bit more yeah

[tame estuary]

my bio rings true everytime I go here

[livid valve]

It was a YouTube video somewhere and it was insane for how long it kept going

[severe rampart]

It was just a joke lol, like that Rigor Mortis/Rick and Morty thing

[livid valve]

It's dnd you thought only mature people existed?

[naive cedar]

Sometimes I remember that there are people on the Internet that were born in the 2010s and I take irl psychic damage

[severe rampart]

you feel it in your age

Like a gut punch

[tame estuary]

percussion is also like, any instrument that you hit, so like drums count, I don't know why you were being weird about it but we should really only talk about dnd here

[severe rampart]

Ah yeah, I forgot not everyone understands the same niche internet references, but yeah! It was just mostly said as a joke, let's get back to DnD

[tame estuary]

anyhow, the meme identiy of bard I think is very much popularized by shrek

it's now a game of chicken and eggs

[harsh hollow]

I think the meme was a thing well before Shrek. x3

[severe rampart]

I reckon even old folk tales and greek myths had some essence of that joke in it

but Shrek did very much popularize it

and now I see those donkey-dragon hybrids whenever I close my eyes

[harsh hollow]

I was trying to figure out who the bard in Shrek was even supposed to be. Puss in Boots is more of a Swashbuckler in my eyes. I don't think Donkey is particularly bard-like.

Are we counting the like five minutes of Robin Hood from the first movie?

[tame estuary]

you're looking for in-universe explanation or statstick?

[lament sapphire]

Farquaad obv 🙄 hahaha

[sick summit]

is that kotone?

[severe rampart]

Farquad would be equal to a commoner

[lament sapphire]

How DARE you!

[severe rampart]

I disagree, Donkey was very bard-like

[tame estuary]

you can't really perfectly translate characters to dnd characters if you're looking at it on a "this is what the class does"

[harsh hollow]

I feel like the whole playing instruments thing is pretty pivotal to the pop culture idea of a bard. Occasionally singing a snippet of a pop-culture song as a joke does not a bard make.

[tame estuary]

I see a lot of people making star lord as a fighter, but he's narratively a bard. the guardians of the galaxy all fit dnd archetypes narratively but not mechanically

[lament sapphire]

Shrek could be a bard? 🤔

[tame estuary]

shrek is barbarian

[severe rampart]

Shrek is a fighter

[tame estuary]

they got layers like ogres

[sick summit]

I feel ignored...

[harsh hollow]

Like I know as a broad idea bards don't have to just play instruments but the subject seemed like we were talking about the pop culture idea of a bard here.

[lament sapphire]

Star lords a thief rogue with a ton of magic items

[tame estuary]

bards are the characters who's role is to get people to do things and to have the connections to smooth talk their way out

[severe rampart]

Yeah... Donkey

[tame estuary]

it's often similar to rocker archetypes

[lament sapphire]

He also seduced a dragon.

[harsh hollow]

I don't think being comic relief automatically makes you a bard.

[tame estuary]

donkey is a talking donkey

[severe rampart]

Yeah, but Donkey has more bard qualities other than that

[tame estuary]

he kinda doesn't, he's just there most of the time

like yeah it's funny for the movie and enjoy him, but take him out of the movies pretty much nothing changes

[harsh hollow]

I hear what you're saying but just can't wrap my head around seeing him that way, certainly not enough to agree that he popularized the modern idea of bards.

[severe rampart]

if Shrek didn't listen to Donkey he wouldn't have gone after Fionna

[harsh hollow]

Comic relief characters of his type have been in movies well before Shrek.

[tame estuary]

donkey is more like the dmpc

[severe rampart]

I don't know about that

I 100% see Donkey as just the comic relief bard

[tame estuary]

actually nah screw this, donkey is a talking donkey and like you can see a lot of things and dnd classes aren't black and white, they have layers to them

[severe rampart]

like onions

then again, Donkey is a magic donkey... so... Sorcerer

Bard/Sorc Multiclass

[harsh hollow]

I get they do but the claim was that he popularized the idea of bards seducing beasts, which I don't think is true.

[naive cedar]

Bardcerer

[tame estuary]

do we even know if he's magic?

he could just can talk like how sonic is just fast

[naive cedar]

the internet thinks literally everything ties back to shrek (only half of everything does)

[harsh hollow]

I think he's just a fairy-tale creature, I think in the Shrek universe you can just be born as a talking animal.

[severe rampart]

Yeah, in the beginning he was shown to be captured because he was a talking donkey, with the other fairy tale creatures, I think that sort of implies?

[harsh hollow]

Because they have the Big Bad Wolf, the Three Little Pigs, etc.

[severe rampart]

we have to get into the SCU (Shrek Cinematic Universe)

[severe rampart]

Yeah, that is true, but we don't know what fairy tale donkey is in

[harsh hollow]

I always assumed he was one of the donkeys from Pinocchio.

[naive cedar]

Tbh I don’t think the movies were thinking that hard aboht what specific type of magical creature Donkey is. he’s just a talking animal because that’s a trope in children’s stories

[severe rampart]

oh. OH I see

[harsh hollow]

And if he is a donkey from Pinocchio that means he's a transformed child. But honestly yeah, he's probably just meant to be generic.

[severe rampart]

yeah, I was about to say, kind of messed up

[hushed mason]

There's a fairytale called Donkey Skin.

[naive cedar]

Oh yeah. It’s uh.

Interesting

[hushed mason]

You know of it?

[naive cedar]

I don’t think there’s any actual donkeys in it though

[naive cedar]

Yeah lol

[hushed mason]

Well, there is a magical donkey of some kind that gets turned into a hide. 🙂

[naive cedar]

That’s not the version I remember reading but idk

In the version I read, the girl just gets the magic hide

[hushed mason]

In this fairytale, a princess requests a series of impossible-to-make dresses because her father wants to marry her.

[naive cedar]

in the version I read she wears the magic hide bc it makes her look ugly

like a reverse Cinderella

[tame estuary]

reverse cinderalla would have a glass dress

[naive cedar]

anyways this is getting off topic….IMO donkey is too annoying to be a bard anyways

[tame estuary]

donkey is more like a commentator

he really does fit the job of talking animal companion

[severe rampart]

which unironically makes him a better bard

[naive cedar]

Donkey is that guy trying to play a “funny” character who can’t stop cracking dumb jokes even when there’s like an elder brain aboht to eat them

[idle oar]

Let's get back to more directly-related D&D topics. I think the donkey topic has run a good course but it's time to move on.

[severe rampart]

right, so, DnD stereotypes, where'd they all come from?

[naive cedar]

A combination of reality, stereotypes from other fantasy things, and Reddit horror stories that may or may not be true

[severe rampart]

for Paladin and Warlocks I get, Paladins need value from their smite, and warlocks have very limited spell slots

[harsh hollow]

I do love that every type of Warlock can bladelock in the newer content, that was a neat change.

Stops the dipping into Hexblade where you know it was for optimising but they'd try to add it to the story somehow.

(Even if a Hexadin trying to justify how this fits in with their oath still is a funny mental image. I think it could be done well.)

[tame estuary]

trying to make multiclassing make sense to the story to is misguided

there's not like an in-universe adventuring guild that's going to ask you what class you are, most mechanics exist to live out your characters

[naive cedar]

Yeah tbh I only multiclass if it fits the character idea I already have

[lavish flame]

I couldn't disagree more tbh. Explaining why you have a new kind of ability is perfectly reasonable and doable in D&D

"Why can you suddenly call for divine help when you were our warrior a month ago?" is an entirely reasonable question for people to ask and similarly reasonable for people to want to answer with some detail

[tame estuary]

I think it traps you into a box of "that's more of a cleric thing than a warlock thing" even though you just wanted to use the sword is now using charisma feature

[spring solar]

Question for everyone here. How many tiles is a 10 foot radius centered on a point? How do all of you guys and gals do it?

[tame estuary]

in person?

[hushed mason]

4 tiles wide, 4 tiles tall.

[spring solar]

For roll 20 in this context.

[hushed mason]

Chop off the corners.

[tame estuary]

use the circle tool, if most of the square is inside the circle, it's there

[spring solar]

Right, but would a 10 foot circle be 10 foot away from the center point? Or 5?

[lavish flame]

On a battlemap, I have each square or hexagon set to be a 5ft square or a 10ft hex. I then choose the center of a square or the corners of a square as the central starting point. If an effect doesn't hit at least half of a target's corners, then it doesn't affect them.

[glass granite]

10ft RADIUS. So 10ft away from the centre
20ft diameter

[tame estuary]

do you know the difference between a radius and a diameter?

[lavish flame]

Unless the feature mentions diameter, the game basically always measures with radius. 10 foot radius means its 20 feet wide

[glass granite]

Misread so edited

[spring solar]

Ask my DM...

[tame estuary]

you can do that yes

[harsh hollow]

I feel the opposite though, if you only care about stats at the sacrifice of story you start losing the roleplaying element of the roleplaying game.

[spring solar]

Apologies for being a smart ass, I just came out of a session where my DM is rules lawyering my spells to be smaller and it's driving me nuts.

[delicate owl]

well, it's not rules lawyering if you've been doing it wrong

[spring solar]

Because by his ruleset, a 5 foot radius spell would be a tile...

[tame estuary]

your characters aren't your classes, they should't be

[glass granite]

Yeah no

[harsh hollow]

I think they should, I feel like some effort should be made to integrate what class the character is with who they are.

[lavish flame]

Thats wack, a 5 foot radius spell hits multiple people if placed well. Its 10 feet in diameter, so its kinda big

[harsh hollow]

Flavor is free and you can get pretty esoteric but it doesn't feel like you should be able to dip Hexblade and then completely ignore that you've taken on a patron to just enjoy the cool sword.

[lavish flame]

Certainly not "only affects 1 tile". Math-wise it can affect up to 5

[glass granite]

It could be their (RAW incorrect) ruling that a tile needs to be completely covered maybe?

[spring solar]

EXACTLY

[glass granite]

Idk tbh, definitely wack

[tame estuary]

ah

so it's if at least half of the square is covered, the entire square is affected

that's in the dmg but I forgot where

[idle oar]

Might have the DM and group re-read the glossary on Area of Effect: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#AreaofEffect

[tame estuary]

I think it's also on the dm screen funnily enough

[spring solar]

Combat with this DM just drives me nuts, and I'm just trying to publicly double check to see if I'm an idiot.

[tame estuary]

has anyone tried arguing back?

[spring solar]

Yes, but this guy is very much a, "my way or the hard way", kinda guy.

Sometimes he's reasonable. Sometimes he's not.

[tame estuary]

yeah maybe don't show up

[hidden spindle]

Ask them the difference between Radius and Diameter

[delicate owl]

The radius is supposed ot be placed on an intersection, so, it'd always hit each sqare around it (That being 4 tiles)

[tame estuary]

there's better use of your time

[glass granite]

Actually did not know that, good to know

[hidden spindle]

Is an 18 inch Pizza:

• A. 18 Inch Radius
• B. 18 Inch Diameter

That and Pizza should solve the problem

[glass granite]

I’d like a pizza rn

[spring solar]

Yeah... I've been considering leaving for months at this point, because it's not uncommon for me to leave the session feeling cruddy. I love the character, and I love the overall story of the game. But combat isn't fun when my tank loses 30 of it's 70 health turn 1, and then multiple of the enemies ALWAYS book it towards me because I'm the spooky spellcaster. Like just this session, 2 guys completely stopped what they were doing, and just went for me. I didn't get hit, but it's not a fun feeling. Especially when all I did was a 6 damage spell...

[hidden spindle]

18 inch Pizza is a little over twice as large as a 12 inch pizza

[tame estuary]

DM who wants to play

[lavish flame]

woah but these are two different schemes. pizza sizes to D&D spell sizes. pizza sizes get named for their diameter

[harsh hollow]

While your success might vary on doing this, it's not like you can't try to transplant the character to another campaign with some tweaks if you're really attached.

[spring solar]

I understand that magic is rare in this setting, and me being a druid/witch makes me a priority target. But why not the NPC they were originally going after who killed 4 minions on turn 1?

[harsh hollow]

I feel like wanting a low-magic setting and then punishing players for choosing casters instead of just telling them no is the worst way to go about that.

[tame estuary]

you can talk to the DM that even if that makes sense, you don't really want that to happen because it's not fun for you

[hidden spindle]

Exactly. Once they understand the difference, then Radius is...?

[spring solar]

I may try... I don't know...

[tame estuary]

I think low magic should make you feel more badass for doing things no one can and every little npc just awes on amazement for what you just did

[idle oar]

Please do try communication before leaving though - even if it's just to politely explain why you'll be leaving the game.

You'll at least look better for it.

[lavish flame]

Yeah don't just ghost, thats bad practice

[spring solar]

Oh don't worry, I won't just ghost.

Everyone is already kinda aware on some level that I've been having a cruddy time. I just don't know how to fix it.

[hidden spindle]

Help them understand geometry~

[harsh hollow]

Honestly even normal DnD is meant to feel like this to a degree, I think just how much stronger an adventurer is supposed to be than an average person gets lost sometimes.

[tame estuary]

exactly

[harsh hollow]

Regular people have like 10hp. You could sneeze and kill someone at higher levels.

[tame estuary]

playing as a DM is entirely different, you're not really supposed to be making challenging encounters, just interesting ones

[spring solar]

RIGHT!? Hell! We're playing with strongholds and followers rules and I just got the ability to turn into a sodding dragon! Not an adult one, but a young one. But I still feel cruddy even though we barely got through one round of combat this session. Because my new companion lost almost half it's health in 1 turn, first combat it's ever been a part of. And also long rests are NOT common. They're not 8 hours, they're 2 weeks.

[hidden spindle]

Stray cat encounters deadly

[harsh hollow]

To a degree the DM is playing too, so I don't think they should never be hard. Just not unwinnable.

[spring solar]

This DM never learned that, he's a very hardcore strategy gamer.

[tame estuary]

the DM is playing a different game

[harsh hollow]

That's true, but it's supposed to be fun for them too.

[tame estuary]

the DM's game is prep and reaction to what the players want to go and how it would make sense to get them to the encounter you prepared

the players ask what's the significance of the tree and the DM has to say that the tree does have significance

[marble lion]

Challenging is a type of interesting. Depends on the table

[spring solar]

When I'm able to get hit for over half my health consistently. EVERY. SINGLE. COMBAT. It stops being fun. Especially in a campaign where recourses are already way more limited.

[harsh hollow]

Well yeah, it sounds like your DM is having some issues.

[spring solar]

2 week long rest...

[harsh hollow]

I'm just saying keep in mind not every DM is like that, and that good DMs need to have fun too.

[tame estuary]

2 week long rest is fine, if the game is built around it, so like 2-3 combat per 2 weeks

[marble lion]

2 week long rest damn

[tame estuary]

and you actually skip the weeks and not play thtough all 14 days

[spring solar]

Right, but it's almost never just 2-3 combats. I would say, playing every other week, we maybe get like 3-4 long rests every irl year.

[harsh hollow]

That's unusual.

[tame estuary]

why?

[marble lion]

Its fine to have more than 2 combats per long rest

[harsh hollow]

A lot of combat features reset on long rests with the idea in mind that they basically happen every day.

[tame estuary]

I mean it's kind of simple, you're not having fun, so either be fine with it or do something about it. and leaving is one of them

[spring solar]

Mhm

[marble lion]

It doesnt actually matter how long the rests take and how much time passes inbetween as long as its scaled

[spring solar]

I guess I'm just venting a bit right now... but I plan to do something about this.

[marble lion]

2-3 combats per long rest is quite normal, though they sound very difficult each

[tame estuary]

yeah a long rest I would say is when your mission is over

it's kind of why you're not really supposed to long rest in a dungeon

[spring solar]

Agreed

[marble lion]

You cant kill ppl in 2 turns every combat and then run that multiple times a day

[tame estuary]

and you're supposed to kill people in 2 turns every combat

[marble lion]

Well

[fossil hollow]

*the average and assumed combat encounter lasts for around 3 rounds

[marble lion]

If you only do one fight a longrest, modern style kinda, then 1 round taking a player to 50% hp isnt bad

[tame estuary]

the third round is more like a bonus

[marble lion]

After all, that one fight needs to deplete the entire days resources

[sharp heron]

kotone

[marble lion]

Otherwise its not challenging

But not multiple times per long rest

Thats a very difficult game imo and not everyones type of fun

[spring solar]

RIGHT!? It's very common for someone to get downed every combat. I say we probably get people downed every 2 out of 3 combats.

[tame estuary]

really hard to balance every PC with all their daily resource against 1 big encounter

remember, the game is 2 parts, dungeons and dragons, don't slouch on the dungeon

make them cast identify on the supiciously smooth rock

[fossil hollow]

but its a ritual spell!

Then make it so they dont have 10 minutes

[noble pine]

Can you create your own campaign with different rules etc

[fossil hollow]

what do you mean

[tame estuary]

oh boy I wonder what these boots do

[fossil hollow]

lmaooo

[prime pewter]

Moon Druid is cool, I think I'm finally done mulling over choices. For a campaign I'm in, I'll be a Hexblood Moon Druid!

[marble lion]

Yes

[noble pine]

What things can you change?

[eager marsh]

everything

[rough basalt]

Anything, but keep in mind, the more you change the less the rulebooks apply to your table.

[marble lion]

And the less people will identify it with DnD

[noble pine]

What are some good things to change?

[rough basalt]

Drastic changes in some departments for example can lead to severe imbalance between players making some players feel useless for example

[marble lion]

None unless you want to

Imo you shouldnt set out with the goal to change it

[crude jasper]

do people play dnd in this discord kinda wanting to get into it

[marble lion]

Your goal should be to make a fun campaign, and then you change as necessary