dnd-discussion

[marble lion]

i have but it was cool

[remote wadi]

Just saying, there's a reason Frieza from Dragon Ball went from his obsession of becoming immortal to "You know what? Actually, make me taller by 5 centimeters"

[snow agate]

I really don’t think being immortal is that bad, dragons and elves do it and they seem fine

[marble lion]

i feel like pain impacts our psyche differently if immortal

[remote wadi]

That is longevity

[woven flint]

The most outlandish fellow I have is a Centaur Berserker Barbarian who joined the Zhentarim because he hears the roar of an audience in his head when he kills people 🤔

[karmic mason]

That's long life, not immortality

[marble lion]

the big problem with pain in my experience is connected to the fact that im running out of time

[remote wadi]

Not the same as immortality

[rugged hawk]

It's great right up until you're left in a situation you'd rather die of.

[jovial shadow]

Elves wish they were immortal

[marble lion]

and i may die as well

[karmic mason]

Immortality means you can quite literally never die

[marble lion]

ok but would you? eventually it will end

[snow agate]

🙄 forgot what chat I’m in and I can’t say dragons are immortal

[marble lion]

true you cant

[karmic mason]

Being forever serving to a fae family would be horrible

[minor cargo]

(This is a main plot point of Old Guard. It is very, very scary to think about.)

[jovial shadow]

There are various types of immortality. Some you can live forever unless you are killed. Others you are impervious to any kind of harm.

[rugged hawk]

Like what was his name, Kangaxx? Torn into separate pieces scattered across a city but couldn't die? Just left sealed and in endless boredom?

[snow agate]

Ty

[marble lion]

meditate

[woven flint]

Just be an Elf Druid and live for a couple thousands of years

[marble lion]

that is also assuming that you can be dismembered

i just think suffering would hit differently if youre not how we are all

[snow agate]

Feel like it’s a skill issue if you’re 1000 years old and get ripped apart, you had so much time to train

[remote wadi]

If you want another example, Porky from Earthbound 3 was another example. Entered in the "Absolutely Safe Capsule", which was as the name suggests... but didn't have a way to open it back up

[marble lion]

just win

[rugged hawk]

Even if you can't be dismembered, you can be dumped into a molden slag of metal, then cooled until hardened, then chucked down a deep hole. Now you can't move at all, stuck fast until basically forever.

[snow agate]

This is just how cursed swords are made

[marble lion]

what is earthbound?

[remote wadi]

Exactly. Immortality by itself is not great at all. People keep forgetting you would need to pair it up with supernatural resistances or regeneration

[woven flint]

The Futurama brains in the jars kinda freak me out because..
They're still alive..
But they're brains just sitting on shelves in a room

[rugged hawk]

That'd be your existence, yeah. A brain trapped in rock.

[marble lion]

i think floating in nothingness after the heat death would be cool

[snow agate]

Sorry I just thought it was assumed and I didn’t need to add a bunch of qualifiers like I’m arguing with a contract devil

nvm

[remote wadi]

Never played it?
Smaller Nintendo franchise of a kid with psychic powers trying to stop an alien from conquering the world. Summary doesn't do it justice, look into it sometime

[woven flint]

"Yo, Angelo!"
-Some Delinquent with really cool hair

[marble lion]

when googling it i only find "mother" not earthbound

ah earthbound is specifically mother 2, and the english localisation title

[rugged hawk]

Or, you know, you could get teleported into the heart of the sun, or just to somewhere SUUUUPER inconvenient to immortality. Like the Negative Energy Plane.

[marble lion]

suffering builds character

[remote wadi]

That is the same franchise. It's one of those tricky titles that have 2 official names. Similar to one of my favorite movies "Edge of Tomorrow" aka "Live, Die, Repeat"

[rugged hawk]

Sure, it can't KILL you, but you'll definitely wish it could

[snow agate]

This is the hell afterlife but with more hoops

[marble lion]

speak for yourself

i claim my immortality through the pain

[snow agate]

Real heroes know the true way to be immortal is just to die and ascend to the celestial planes because you were a good boy

[marble lion]

i think earthbound is only specifically that one game, not the franchise

[remote wadi]

Ever see the end of "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream"?

[marble lion]

lets go

[marble lion]

id be fine

[snow agate]

• ur dog is there too

[rugged hawk]

Okay, in that case, to the Positive Energy Plane, where, since you can't DIE, you just super-cancer from over-influx of Positive Energy forever, becoming an ever-expanding blob of fleshy bits.

[woven flint]

Ghoul "immortality" from Fallout also sucks

[remote wadi]

Well, yes and no. The franchise is relatively connected with some key characters. But it is very interesting for it's time

[marble lion]

oh ok i dont like that

i dont wanna be ugly for infinity

[woven flint]

"Hey, Smoothskin!"

[snow agate]

Also liches are kinda wack, why would you wanna be some bone guy when you could commit to evil and become a demon, I feel like that’s an upgrade compared to skeleton

[marble lion]

though i dont think ive ever heard of cancer in dnd

[marble lion]

id like being a skeleton

[snow agate]

Most diseases don’t exist in dnd and aren’t listed anywhere

[marble lion]

exactly so im safe

[rugged hawk]

Positive Energy Plane infuses visitors with Positive Energy until they're healed.... then OVERHEALS them until they explode. But if said visitor was IMMORTAL....

[snow agate]

I wouldn’t like being a skeleton I like having fleshy behaviors

[remote wadi]

Well, yes and no. A lot of media does tend to throw in other things alongside immortality, but oftentimes it is only the fact that you cannot die

Such is the problem behind the fallacy of affirming the converse

[rugged hawk]

Counterpoint, never poop again.

[snow agate]

What

[woven flint]

I think I'd rather be a ghost or something over being a bag of bones

[snow agate]

Counterpoint, prestidigitation lets you wipe instantly

[rugged hawk]

Still doesn't solve the whole problem of troublesome organs

[snow agate]

Oh nooooo how terrible I hate drinking and eating and feeling soft pillows oh nooo

You’re immortal go learn some weak healing magic

[marble lion]

i would like being a skeleton because its cool

[snow agate]

It is cool

[marble lion]

a fine trade for your indulgences

[rugged hawk]

Your food is now nutrition cubes that taste like regret, water that's like liquid despair, and a cursed pillow that LOOKS amazing but is always hard as a rock AND WARM ON BOTH SIDES.

[marble lion]

being a ghost would be cool too

[woven flint]

"I was never going to feel the touch of a Man/Woman anyway! It's SKELETON time!"

[snow agate]

Now ur just making up curses

[marble lion]

is that what they mean by turning into a wizard?

are liches just guys who made it to 30?

[remote wadi]

Affirming the consequent aka fallacy of the converse is the common assumption of an antecedent being true because the consequent in a "If X, then Y" is true

An example would be
"If it rains, the street will be wet
The street is wet, therefore, it rained" (someone could have spilled a drink or used a hose)

[snow agate]

I feel like wizards get enough, magic is attractive after all

[marble lion]

yes but youre not a wizard until then

[jovial shadow]

Yeah kind of adjacent to that is the Romantic view of Vampires and werewolves. Their immortality is supposed to be a curse of being evil and suffering from an unquenchable blood lust. Yet now they can relationships, go to church and live like a normal person surviving off of blood banks or grocery store raw meat juices. lol

[marble lion]

its how you get the magic!

[rugged hawk]

Okay, I curse your taste buds to cease functioning.

[marble lion]

echo hates fun

[snow agate]

Echo shall go to the abyss for these hexes

[marble lion]

our fun, specifically
they like cursing us for their own

[jovial shadow]

which is counter to her avatar pic. lol

[remote wadi]

Relatively close, yes. It's why merely being immortal isn't always a good thing

[snow agate]

I think the vampire curse was always overblown. You’re telling me a vampire wouldn’t get a goth harem to get blood from? Cmon, easiest solution ever

[rugged hawk]

Yeah, I mean, imagine if someone cursed you with the experience of all your food burning on the way out. Sure, it wouldn't KILL you, but now you're suffering just for eating. And if you don't eat, you still won't die, you'll just be endlessly starving.

There's all kinds of things that could happen to turn immortality into a fate worse than death real quick.

[remote wadi]

Thus, why some form of torture is one of the most consistent ways to talk someone out of immortality

[snow agate]

It sounds like all the things are curses or being defeated in battle

So really you should spend your immortality becoming a mage or be a dragon

[rugged hawk]

Or just being in the wrong place when a sun goes supernova

[snow agate]

You’re 5000 years old and didn’t learn plane shift? Smh

[jovial shadow]

To be fair though. Whatever immortality is usually shown, the owner is pretty badass. So trying to dismember it or stuff it in molten iron case and dump it in the ocean is no easy task

[remote wadi]

Which only proves the point more. This is only immortality. Great when paired with other things, terrible when it's all you have (left)

[snow agate]

Ok it would be cool to put like fragments of a balor or marilith demon into a bunch of cursed swords and spread them across the globe

[rugged hawk]

Exactly, immortality without power is just infinite suffering.

[snow agate]

And like a cult collects them and boom the boss gets remade

[snow agate]

We already knew that, it’s called being a lemure in hell

[rugged hawk]

They're not immortal, just expendable.

Also very, very squishy.

[snow agate]

Your definition of immortal is strange and changes with the circumstances

[rugged hawk]

A demon / devil isn't immortal, just enduring. They can still be killed, just not by aging.

Though it might take doing it in their home plane to actually stick without them reforming.

[jovial shadow]

Hmm

[remote wadi]

The literal definition is "living forever, never dying or decaying"

[marble lion]

why is decaying specified here

[rugged hawk]

Because even a demilich eventually becomes sentient, malevolent bone dust?

[marble lion]

so dying?

i dont see why decaying is specified

unless this means that a decayed but sentient corpse isnt immortal somehow

if youre still aware, even just as a cloud of sentience, why would that make you not immortal?

[royal oasis]

Half-serious question: Is it true that violating a rule during a session will result in 2 guards from Wizards of the Coast just taking you away and forcing you to sit through a session full of the most problomatic players known to dnd?

[marble lion]

where is that from

[snow agate]

The more I’m reading immortality semantics the more I think I just wanna die, go to heaven, reincarnate, repeat

[marble lion]

ah problematic

[glass granite]

Half serious answer: no, unless you organise it

[snow agate]

Yeah totally of course mhm for sure I was the room

[marble lion]

i dont think you should subject anyone to "the most problematic players"

they get up to some very bad stuff

[rugged hawk]

But that's what the gods want you to think! Don't play into their nonsensical game of soul recycling, just to fuel their power! Embrace the greater knowledge, become the contradiction in their world of conformity!

[snow agate]

It would be interesting to watch a table of the most problematic players and see what happens

[snow agate]

Why would I not want to fuel my gods power? She’s cool

[marble lion]

i mean i dont exactly wanna spell it out here but it would be very bad and i dont think this chats community is really up for watching that

[rugged hawk]

But you're a literal slave sent to the furnace to burn as fuel

[snow agate]

??? Worship a good god, L evildoer

[marble lion]

the talk here tends to be rather sensitive towards certain topics so you definitely dont wanna watch that game

[snow agate]

I’ll be fine

[marble lion]

i wonder if the game would happen at all though

thats the one out you get here tbh. can they make the session happen?

[snow agate]

I want to know if they can

[rugged hawk]

If you're not at least giving your soul to Eldritch Abominations, you're only supporting a stilted, biased cycle made to keep mortals oppressed

[marble lion]

that sounds like heresy to me

[snow agate]

Heretic trying to turn me away from Sarenrae be like

[rugged hawk]

The real heresy is being made to suffer and die just to give a god their 'fix' with my soul

Wall of Faithless can go leap into Pandemonium

[snow agate]

Lay off the forbidden tomes

[rugged hawk]

NO. Now excuse me while I go fire up another round of Cultist Simulator, by Weather Factory on Steam.

[undone fable]

whats up with dnd?

[rugged hawk]

Too many gods, not enough mortal overthrow of the heavens.

Only the GOOs can save us now.

[undone fable]

are warlocks a good class to try?

[rugged hawk]

Always! Take the Road less travelled, see the Colors behind the world, and open the Paths that will let the elder things in!

Or just blow up everything you meet with Eldritch Blast. Same thing, really.

[undone fable]

Im playing in a party with a warlock. I'm the ranger

[jovial shadow]

I think Warlock isn't for beginners? It's sort of an intermediate level class?

[hot reef]

(I believe warlocks are one of the most traveled paths)

[knotty basin]

All the classes are for beginners

[rugged hawk]

I blame that on eldritch tentacles, tbh

[undone fable]

The one shot included the warlock, me the ranger, a druid, an artificer, and a wizard.

[rugged hawk]

Also, am I crazy, or is there just no necro/undead subclasses for Sorc in D&D Beyond?

Also, I'm still angry that subclasses now only get chosen / kick in at level 3.

[glass granite]

I think it was for balance, but I don’t love what it entails for clerics and warlocks

[rugged hawk]

Obligatory WotC balance commentary here

[snow agate]

“Balance this” I say as I buff fighter significantly

[undone fable]

Me: buff the ranger

[sullen ingot]

Warlock has higher complexity/more choices, but all classes can be made to be more complex.

[rugged hawk]

Incorrect, Fighter is Bonk. Only Bonk. Always Bonk. Many Bonks.

[sullen ingot]

You only have to understand the class you choose as a player, so all classes are beginner-friendly in that regard.

[rugged hawk]

12 APR dual-wield goes BRRRR

[sullen ingot]

Yes, making fighter inherently beginner-friendly, but not by design.

I'm not familiar with the acronym APR. Could you define that one?

[rugged hawk]

Attacks per round

[daring pecan]

Made my first character for a campaign today a level 3 Goliath Barbarian primal path of wild magic with 44 hit points and 18 armor class how much is my dm gonna hate me 😭

[sullen ingot]

That sounds fun. I don't see why the DM would have an issue with that. You're a bonk stick with extra steps.

[rugged hawk]

Not at all, one Grease spell and you're doomed

[daring pecan]

Okay I was just worried the hit point and armor class would be an issue

[glass granite]

Oh you rolled HIGH

[daring pecan]

Yeah 3 seventeens and I'm gonna use the unarmored defense bonus

[sullen ingot]

I'm at level 4 in a campaign I'm in, but I'm scared of low hit die rolls, so I took average. I'm at 39 hp

[glass granite]

AC shouldn’t be much of an issue, some classes are able to get 22 by this level

[jovial shadow]

Fighter goes bippidty bop on your noggin'

[sullen ingot]

(Scroll up here or in #dnd-rules if you wish to know about my PC, but that's neither here nor there for talking about your character)

[glass granite]

As Jolteon said though, you’re just a bonk stick with extra steps

[sullen ingot]

It's been a long time since I rolled a fighter in any edition where they were simple.

[daring pecan]

I really want to try a ranger one day I've heard they are extremely useful but really under utilized

[snow agate]

They are thankfully less mindnumbing in 24

[rugged hawk]

Your new life now consists solely of two questions: what terrain is this, what enemy type is this.

[snow agate]

I played a dwarf ranger from 1-10, this is big true

[sullen ingot]

I most recently rolled a fighter in 4e, as far as one that acted like a fighter, and before that was in 3.5 where I took 2 levels of fighter for the bonus feats.

[sullen ingot]

It's a team game. So what if you're "less optimized"

[snow agate]

I was the toughest person in the party and the most versatile and got to determine how we started most fights and got to scout

[daring pecan]

Is it ridiculous to say I want to try every class not every subclass cause that'd be impossible but at least the main classes

[glass granite]

No

[sullen ingot]

Play enough one-shots and you'll be able to make that dream a reality.

[daring pecan]

I will say magic scares me lol

Wizard seems hella complicated

[sullen ingot]

Specifically, one-shots that occur at level 2, becuase then you've tried all the subclasses 🙂

[sullen ingot]

Might I recommend just making it on DNDbeyond? It'll make your sheet way more digestable

[jovial shadow]

I would use Crawford's term, "co-op". In most cases PC's are assembled for their own reasons and goals, not necessarily a borg mind

[snow agate]

Ranger is not suboptimal, you’re a terrific bruiser and terrific recon, you could make a fully functioning party with a ranger, a cleric, and a wizard

[sullen ingot]

"I need a bonus-action. Better click the bonus actions portion of my sheet"

[daring pecan]

DND beyond is a lifesaver

[sullen ingot]

I think we're describing the same thing here.

[sullen ingot]

I'm going to agree to disagree there, as I'm not really here for the optimization. That's something I'd relegate to JRPGs anyway. I'm for a TTRPG, so I don't really feel the need to optimize that hard in the first place

[snow agate]

You think picking a class is optimizing?

[nova trellis]

The best defense is not allowing the enemy to play the game.

[sullen ingot]

Nope, I think the options you pick within that class causes a level of optimization

[keen valve]

Tbf I feel like working around anything statistically in D&D to some extent is optimizing, isn't it? Not that it's bad or anything, just technically what it is.

[snow agate]

I didn’t even list anything within the class but ok

[nova trellis]

Its so easy to only want to go for big damage. Big damage is nice but things that gurantee stun, knockdowns, control, banishment. Now thats the good stuff.

Heck, the fact the enemy targets your familar or echo? Thats the enemy not attacking you or friends. Thats big.

What this also means is that theres plenty of ways to be useful in DnD.

[jovial shadow]

It's the good stuff but after a certain level they are easily saved against

No good saves against bippity bops

[snow agate]

Ah yeah I’ve heard of that monster

[gloomy oyster]

At this point when our party goes into a town I just don't want to talk to anyone, because the DM might introduce the character and force me to save them or get kicked out of another town for like the third time in a row. I just want to buy some gear and leave

[knotty basin]

Has your group tried telling said NPCs to leave?

Or talking to the DM about it?

[snow agate]

Entirely reasonable

[gloomy oyster]

The DM is good but forcing alignment too much is getting to be an issue

Our party is good. But there's sub alignments. Neutral good, chaotic good, lawful good etc

[potent loom]

Ah hello!

[bitter kraken]

How do you get kicked out of a town for not saving someone?

[gloomy oyster]

DM required me to save the NPC or else I would have to retire my character for not being good enough. So I save the NPC. our party got kicked out and now we have bounties on our head as well.

[remote wadi]

Wow. And I thought my dm was bad-

[snow agate]

Imagine being punished for doing what the dm wants you to do

[knotty basin]

I’d just leave at that point

[fickle phoenix]

Railroaded. You're in the dm's magical land, now.

[gloomy oyster]

For the most part I just want to at least talk with my party before I do the things

[bitter kraken]

I'd leave that table ngl

[potent loom]

Does sound unfair.

And I know little from what you explained just now

[snow agate]

I think just say something polite but direct about it like “hey I’m cool with doing heroic stuff but I feel like I’m damned if I do, damned if I don’t, I just want something to go smoothly and be able to sell my gear”

[gloomy oyster]

I only really have the issue now because we changed to a week-long long rest system. And I'm the only full caster

[snow agate]

Oh dear

[gloomy oyster]

And XP

[knotty basin]

So do you sleep for a week or what

[gloomy oyster]

It's basically we have to do a week of downtime inside of a town or city

[knotty basin]

That sounds miserable

[gloomy oyster]

But none of the fighting or criminal ones

[jovial shadow]

"Week long rest system". This sounds like one of the DM's who brags about the stuff he/she can do, and his/her players are "totally cool with it". Why? Usually because they don't want to complain or try to find another DM. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[valid geyser]

Week long rests are good for wilderness campaigns. Means you can’t just sleep off every attack when you’re on a days long trek

You can get a similar effect by only allowing long rests in towns

[remote wadi]

Honestly? Aside from having ideas for homebrew campaigns, the only thing that could push me towards also being a DM are people like this being a thing

[fair plinth]

This sounds like the dm is trying to make the game feel “hardcore” or beacons-of-lightish but this is not how i would do it
I would not play this

[fossil hollow]

I just make Long Rests in unsafe areas count as Short Rests

[jovial shadow]

Nah. Weeklong rests are never good. imo

[valid geyser]

I’ll just say I disagree since it’s good for certain games, not all of course just in situations where you might want to stretch a string of fights over multiple days rather than one

But yeah if a GM is only using it because it’s called “gritty realism” it’s a little misguided

[sullen ingot]

Weeklong rests have been a great restriction in the game I'm playing in, but the table had a pretty extensive session zero where we voted that this is what we wanted.

Note that the weeklong rests were something we all decided together was how we wanted things to work though, so no one got blindsided.

[upper lintel]

The more I research dnd the deeper it gets. There was one professor who has had the same campaign for over 40 years. There vid of him showing it. Its impressive

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, it's like 43 years now, still going

[upper lintel]

Thats awesome .

[jovial shadow]

Yeah definitely one of the OG's of D&D.

[bronze wave]

What is a week long rest

[fossil hollow]

Long Rests take a week to complete

[crimson gulch]

An optional rule called gritty realizizm where it takes a week of rest to get a long rest

[bronze wave]

DAMN

Are short rests still 1 hour?

[upper lintel]

Thats awesome. Dnd is awesome. The lore is what fascinates me the most.

[valid geyser]

8 hours

[still plover]

I could be persuaded to run week long rests if also there were shorter short rests, but I'm a warlock main as a player and have ideas about pacing as a DM.

[upper lintel]

I think baulder gate 3 really has open the door for people who wanna learn and get into dnd . And just learn about it

[fossil hollow]

8 hours

[bronze wave]

Is the rest of the resources rebalanced or no?

[valid geyser]

i think i do like the longer rests for certain games, and I feel like narratively I dislike the 1 hour short rests. Feels a little jarring I think for a 1 hour break in the middle of a dungeon

nah, it doesn't really need to be if you're running it right

[bronze wave]

Being a warlock sounds rough

[valid geyser]

if youre doing something like a wilderness exploration over a couple days, it's not too different if you just replace an hour of time with a day of time

[crimson gulch]

Wizards really do well with arcane recovery

[undone fable]

i have question?

[still plover]

Yeah. Take a breath, wipe your sword, tighten your armour and check your hair: short rest.

[undone fable]

have you played dnd as a player urizt?

[crimson gulch]

Yes

[gloomy oyster]

Not quite but we have to go through the desert slow in between cities. Mostly walking so far but I bought an elephant so at least I'm not on the ground

[undone fable]

are rangers balanced in your opinion?

[valid geyser]

yeah I'd probably prefer 10 minute short rests to 1 hour if anything. Seems like a much more reasonable timeframe

[crimson gulch]

Rangers are amazing, all the classes are

[undone fable]

Whats your favorite class to dm

[bronze wave]

[sullen ingot]

"Balance" is a discussion I typically don't like to have as it's a co-op story/team game. Can you contribute something someone else in the party can't, that doesn't fundamentally break expectations? If yes, it's probably fine

[crimson gulch]

What class the players pick is irrelevant to My enjoyment, but I do want to try a Oops all one class game sometime

[undone fable]

does this include multiclasses?

[sullen ingot]

Oops all Bards, and we're the Beatles?

[valid geyser]

yeah i think if those desert treks had a bandit raid/monster attack nearly every single day, it'd probably be more justified for 1 week long rests so you couldnt just shake off all the damage done so easily

[jovial shadow]

AC/DC

[valid geyser]

but again, i think the "long rests only work in towns" rule is an alternate thats just as good for that purpose IMO

[gloomy oyster]

I think for our week-long long rest party. We have a mercy monk, champion fighter, lore bard, vengeance paladin, wild heart barbarian , and arcane trickster rogue.

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, MC charicters don't impact my fun, just their own

[sullen ingot]

I'll meet you in the middle and go for Iron Maiden?

[crimson gulch]

I am running 9 awesome campaigns filled with awesome players

[jovial shadow]

Can you imagine a Heavy Metal band going back into the D&D era (whatever yours is)? it would be like that movie "Back to the Future", in the guitar scene talent show

[valid geyser]

how would they plug in their amps

[gloomy oyster]

Magic

[bronze wave]

Idk i think you can do a long rest anywhere but you just run risks of doing so.

[sullen ingot]

Can we play Bill and Ted in D&D? Bill and Ted plus the girls, and if we get a 5th player maybe Rufus

[valid geyser]

normally yeah, just the goal of these rules would be to sort of "stretch out" an adventuring day into something like an adventuring week

for those who want a game like that ofc

[bronze wave]

I get that to make it more realistic, Idc for it personally. Seems kinda arbitrary

I just have time gaps occur in travel and down time

[jovial shadow]

I used to love those movies. Keanu Reeves

[valid geyser]

it's not really for realism is what i'm trying to say, just to have travel combat be at the same feeling pace as something like dungeon combat

[crimson gulch]

It's also a callback to how was more so in adnd

[valid geyser]

more or less yeah, having wilderness travel be part of the adventure rather than something you skip over to get to the adventure

[snow agate]

Real

[waxen moss]

How would I play with people

[tidal bough]

My ruling is "if it doesnt add to the fun of the game, dont have it"

[crimson gulch]

Full on hex crawl games with loads of exploration are fine to do with normal 5e rest rules in my experience, I have done several

[jovial shadow]

AD&D was worse. You only healed 1 HP per day and after the 30th day it was 5 HP per day.

But you got your spells back overnight

[craggy summit]

Armor class/difficulty class

[crimson gulch]

Yep, adnd is wild, I'm learning how to run it

[craggy summit]

And their hit song, highway to avernus

[snow agate]

i think what helps this a lot is actually traveling with more people than just your party

your party can easily recover from combat (typically) but if the band of merry men gets injured, your healing resources might stretch thin or you might suffer deaths, so it incentivizes the same behaviors

[undone fable]

would you let me play that minotaur bard idea in one of your games if i joined?

[crimson gulch]

I do sometimes allow the monsters of the multiverse options, but not allways

Depends on the specific campaign

[undone fable]

the Quest of the infinite staircase

[remote wadi]

Ah, yes. Baby's First Shephard's Tone

[jovial shadow]

I swear every time I see "Quest of the Infinite Stair case", I always think of the high level Basic D&D module, "The Endless Stair". If you never heard of it and need inspiration for a mid to high-level adventure, check it out.

[waxen moss]

, how do I look for a free game to play

[remote wadi]

For me, i immediately think of Super Mario 64

And Payday Cloakers

[idle shore]

I just realised that Bladesinger doesn't actually require the use of a melee weapon, as long as you don't use a two handed weapon...

It's Gun Wizard Time 😎

[undone fable]

What subclasses are in SCAG?

[rugged hawk]

Have I gone crazy, or am I just missing something obvious? It seems like BAB isn't listed in each class.

[uncut zenith]

Battlerager Barbarian, Arcana cleric, Shepherd Druid, Sun Soul monk, Inquisitive Swashbuckler and Mastermind Rogue, Bladesinger Wizard, Undying warlock

Might be missing a few

[crimson gulch]

Bab as in base attack bonus, that's not a thing in 5e

Stat plus proficiency is your attack bonus

[rugged hawk]

Okay.... and I assume Proficiency increases over time...?

[crimson gulch]

Yes

[rugged hawk]

Is it the same for everyone?

[short cedar]

Yuh

[crimson gulch]

Yes proficiency goes up based on total charicter level at the same rate for each class

[rugged hawk]

Oh, okay.... so now there's no difference in to hit between a wizard and a fighter if they both have the same level and Strength?

[minor cargo]

No, because of ability score modifiers.
On top of that, the wizard only adds prof bonus if the wizard is proficient in that weapon.

But a 14 str wizard and a 14 str fighter both using a simple melee weapon at level 1, yes, do have the same to hit.

[rugged hawk]

tf you mean, ability score modifiers? If th- oh. So yes.

[crimson gulch]

A fighter likely has alot of other features to increase their weapon attacks . And a wizard has spells but both are effected by the bounded accuracy od 5e

[undone fable]

what about a swarmkeeper ranger/stars druid/life cleric?

[crimson gulch]

And a wizard is not actually proficient with most weapons

So they would just roll based off their strength if they grabbed a Longsword

[undone fable]

i m thinking yes if i do multiclass bc ranger.

would ranger be more dex based by design?

[rugged hawk]

undying
still ages to death and can be killed normally
Clearly not undying. WotC naming fail.

[undone fable]

Urizt, whats your least favorite part about dming?

[crimson gulch]

Table management, that is to say enforcing boundaries and etiquette rules and possibly removing players, it takes a toll when folks don't play nice but is very important

[stuck shuttle]

A Dex ranger is significantly easier to build effectively compared to a Str Ranger, though the latter can still be fun and effective

My last Ranger was a Lance-wielding Drakewarden

[raw ocean]

Could a player survive getting infected by an lycanthrope and a vampire?

[oak shoal]

Drakewarden is one of the few subclasses that yield a more dragon per dungeon average rate then most other subclasses

[stuck shuttle]

Gotta live out my dragoon dreams 😎

[oak shoal]

Therefore it is the 2nd best ranger subclass

Right behind gloomstalker

[stuck shuttle]

Assuming they don't

• get killed by the vampire bite
• fail the werewolf bite saving throw and don't drop to 0 HP
  Then yeah

[raw ocean]

Interesting

[remote wadi]

Huh?

[meager fractal]

What class would make for the best campaign if everyone was the same class?

[stuck shuttle]

To clarify, this is just a narrative way to surviving a bite. There's not really an "infection phase" since they're both not diseases. I guess you could consider the period between failing the saving throw on a werewolf bite and dropping to 0 HP with the curse active an "infection phase" though

[oak shoal]

More dragons per dungeon

[oak shoal]

Fighter

[raw ocean]

Fighter

[oak shoal]

Jynx

[raw ocean]

Jinx, you owe me a health potion

Double Jinx

[somber oasis]

what class y'all think Mrs Rachel would be

[oak shoal]

Bard

[somber oasis]

oh yeah duh

[raw ocean]

Class? Imo she would be considered a deity in my opinion with the amount of followers she has

[oak shoal]

100%

[undone fable]

are there werewolf race

[oak shoal]

No

[raw ocean]

She has 18 million followers

[crimson gulch]

Yes, shifter

[oak shoal]

Oh yeah

[raw ocean]

Dire wolf that has had an awaken spell cast on it?

[undone fable]

who has that many followeres? ginny di?

[raw ocean]

Mrs. Rachel

[somber oasis]

i think its ms rachel actually

[raw ocean]

You right

[undone fable]

is she dnd related?

[raw ocean]

Yes because someone was asking kindly what her class would be, and I said she would be a deity atp because she has many followers

[oak shoal]

What do you guys think is a criminally underrated subclass and why?

[undone fable]

ooooh I know one. this subclass has crowd control, extra damage, and a prepared spell list to augment the class. Plus its very much an awesome subclass for my special weapons homebrew.

[raw ocean]

I still gotta find the best sub-class for being a tank

[craggy summit]

Psi warrior is pretty cool in my opinion and I don't see alot of people talk about it, in my experience

[undone fable]

Mine is swarmkeeper ranger!

I love swarmkeeper so much. It's all the buzz!

[oak shoal]

I see what you did there

[craggy summit]

is it the bees knees?

[undone fable]

yes haha

[minor cargo]

I could easily take a werewolf and a vampire.

[fossil hollow]

Why would they not?

[scenic zinc]

A player character who becomes a vampire or werewolf traditionally becomes an npc.

A player who becomes one of those two things needs to come speak with me personally, as I would love to speak to them about their lived experience with the supernatural.

[fossil hollow]

stares in Deimos

[crimson gulch]

i run lycanthropy RAW, so its essentially charicter death

[scenic zinc]

I'm not entirely certain that text is part of '24. I remember it being in '14. '14 did also have an optional rule that allowed the PC to not become an NPC but still be a werewolf.

I am unsure if such an optional rule existed for vampirism. I don't think so.

[fossil hollow]

The 24 version makes you an NPC under DM's control, and you come back as that statblock with 10 hit points

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, its baked directly into their statblock instead of being a sidebar

[scenic zinc]

So the '14 optional rule is gone?

[uncut zenith]

Correct. There’s no optional rule saying you can play a werewolf or a vampire etc anymore. If a target is cursed and drops to 0, it becomes a werewolf (or whatever other were creature cursed it) under the DM’s control

Which honestly makes them even scarier (thankfully). They don’t have to kill the cursed creature. If the target is cursed (and they’re cursed if they fail a CON save when bitten) and drops to 0, they become a werewolf creature.

[eager marsh]

it also removes the powergamer incentive to intentionally contract lycanthropy

[uncut zenith]

Yep

[crimson gulch]

yeah, if you go to zero hp after failing the save to lycantrhopy thats game over

[humble cairn]

In a fight, right? 😉

[empty thicket]

i would need a blessed weapon or silver weapon, but yeah, i guess i can kill both of them in less of 5 turns

my paladin is a dhampir so i guess i can get some tips from him

[uncut zenith]

Steve, putting fists up at Strahd: “Can you fight?!”

[fossil hollow]

Strahd deserves all the hate, that incel

[scenic zinc]

The incentive was removed by them no longer having the same damage resistances and immunities

[empty thicket]

would like to see a Druid being able to cast that without the drawback

like, would make sense for me in some way

[eager marsh]

Thats just another way it was removed. But also preventing you from getting anything as a free buff is the main reason

[empty thicket]

There is no "Free buffs" for me, i like the risk//Reward things

[minor cargo]

I can fix him.

[scenic zinc]

Not sure how it would be a "free buff"

You have to willingly fight a thing that could probably kill you

[empty thicket]

unless you find one alone and use it for infect all the party

or with just one of the party being infected all of them can turn into a werewolf's party

[fossil hollow]

stares at Deimos the were-shiba

[scenic zinc]

Now you're just making up a contrived situation and pretending like the dm doesn't control what monsters will be present.

[scenic zinc]

Yeah. And? I still almost killed him.

[fossil hollow]

with Force damage yeah

2024 Stone Golems scarryyyyy

[scenic zinc]

Yeah. 'Cause I'm not dumb lol

[empty thicket]

True, but would be funny or epic, depending of how its managed.
I would still be careful and kill them all. I have enough with my bad luck

[fossil hollow]

should have been Wild Heart to help

[empty thicket]

Decapitation still work against werewolfs true?

[fossil hollow]

Why would it not?

Vorpal Blades insta kill it

[empty thicket]

welp, some creatures regenerate or are just too hard to kill

[fossil hollow]

Nothing in the werewolf statblock would suggest so

[uncut zenith]

Called shots aren’t a thing in 5E, aside from a couple of specific situations like the aforementioned vorpal sword

You can’t really choose to just go for the head

[raw ocean]

Unless you use the rule of cool

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, but we can’t account for the rule of cool or any other sort of DM fiat in a server like this

[eager marsh]

i mean that's just reducing them to 0 til they die functionally

[fossil hollow]

at that point though anything goes

I usually save mutilation, decapitation, and etc for "How do you wanna do this?"

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, if I’m gonna fall on the rule of cool, instead of dying when I fail my last death save, I could come back as a powerful celestial instead

[raw ocean]

Well that's not very cool

[fossil hollow]

To me that is

[uncut zenith]

I think it is

[humble cairn]

It's cool for them.

[empty thicket]

For glory kill i mean mostly, homebrew rule in a campaign i am.
Or could just say if i can try that against a prone werewolf try with a roll (high roll) to decapitate it.

[uncut zenith]

Hence my point

[raw ocean]

You die of cancer with your family surrounding you and you come back as a celestial?

[fossil hollow]

which is the point we're trying to make about RoC

[raw ocean]

If the party goes through the effort of hunting, binding the werewolf down, and saving a family of 20 goblins, I will let them decapitate it.

[fossil hollow]

cant rely on it

[empty thicket]

obviously, would be that the werewolf is idk, 1/4hp

[raw ocean]

Rule of cool only applies if it makes sense in context

[fossil hollow]

Yee, and there wasnt much in that context to use it

[humble cairn]

Which is entirely subjective.

[raw ocean]

Cool, so we agree

[empty thicket]

Yup, just out of nowhere decapitate an enemy is just... kinda pointless and boring. That is why i gave the situation and all of it

unless idk, i roll a lot of damage in one turn and the DM want to let me have a moment

[raw ocean]

Exactly like this message

[uncut zenith]

My point is that the rule of cool doesn’t lead to constructive discussion in a server like this. Because per the rule of cool, anybody could potentially do anything. So it’s safer to discuss from the shared base assumption of rules as written.

[fossil hollow]

Again, mentioning RoC is a bit like saying "Not unless you homebrew" (which it is)

[dusky nebula]

im in a session and one of the players got hit twice with one hit causing him to go down and the other causing him to fail 2 death saves, the dm is having us do a 30 second pause before he rolls his death saves for suspense reminding him that any fail will cause him to die. I know this player is not in danger from that because rolls physical dice at his desk on a voice call and he has magically never failed a death save throughout this entire campaign.

this campaign has been running for a year

[uncut zenith]

I’m not saying I don’t like the rule of cool, just that it doesn’t help when discussing things that may or may not be done at someone else’s table.

[raw ocean]

You are right, let's go back to the conversation of what goku's class would be if he was in D&D

[dusky nebula]

easy, monk.

[empty thicket]

Monk

[craggy summit]

I've heard people say sun soul monk

[raw ocean]

I wonder what level he would be considered, beyond level 20 atp

[uncut zenith]

I feel like people wouldn’t enjoy playing Goku (or any shonen anime character for that matter) in D&D

[empty thicket]

Not doubt at all monk, he dont use any weapon properly, armor, the only "magic" he would classify would be the teleport and some "healing"

[scenic zinc]

Dead.

[craggy summit]

Maybe multiclass with a spellcaster for the dbz ki attacks

[uncut zenith]

5E doesn’t mesh with the power fantasy that a lot of anime lovers are looking for imo

[humble cairn]

But that's Sun Soul Monk.

[craggy summit]

oh whoops 😅

[raw ocean]

Goku would be able to fight gods 1 on 1 correct?

[scenic zinc]

No

[humble cairn]

Goku as a PC and Goku as an NPC are different considerations.

[craggy summit]

He has in the anime

[raw ocean]

As an NPC, I think he could win

[uncut zenith]

Like at a glance, he’d probably be a Sun Soul monk, but in practice, it probably wouldn’t feel like how Goku runs in the Dragonball franchise.

[raw ocean]

He has fought beerus which is a god of destruction, but could he run the hands with mystra?

[empty thicket]

okey, going for one more "soft", Goblin slayer is a fighter?

[scenic zinc]

Gods in that universe aren't as powerful as dnd deities lol

[uncut zenith]

Nope

[humble cairn]

As a PC I might make him a 2024 Elements Monk because you still get blasts, but now you also get flight.

[uncut zenith]

True

[fossil hollow]

reflavor the flight to be on a cloud?

[humble cairn]

Does he stop needing the cloud after awhile?

But yes, that's cool flavor.

[raw ocean]

Reflavor giant fly familiar to be the cloud?

[fossil hollow]

he does yeah

thought it would be a neat little image though

[humble cairn]

No, that's unnecessary.

[fossil hollow]

A flying monk is faster than the Giant Fly anyway

[craggy summit]

Tbf tho, Is there anything that's faster than a monk with all it's abilities? 🤔

[fossil hollow]

Phantom Steed

[hidden spindle]

Probably a Thief Rogue.

[raw ocean]

Teleport technically

[empty thicket]

Teleportation would count?

[empty thicket]

mmmmmm...... it use a medium armor most of the time and many kind of weapons

[craggy summit]

Mmmm 50/50 because there's some spells that can go like 1,000+ feet 😅

[scenic zinc]

-# ugh here comes powerscaling conversation

[hidden spindle]

Easy. Fighter dip

[raw ocean]

Thanks for the thoughts azerick

[empty thicket]

yeah, no magic, strong with weapons in general. Sometimes the "second wind" scenes

[hidden spindle]

And mains STR over DEX. Medium Armor range of DEX

[empty thicket]

low charisma but high wisdom. Medium int

[scenic zinc]

Y'all talking about goku still right?

[empty thicket]

nope, goblin slayer and what he would be

[scenic zinc]

Ah

[hidden spindle]

Oh. This for Goblin Slayer.

[raw ocean]

Maybe he would be a monster hunter if we use official third party?

[scenic zinc]

I was gunna say - low dex, low cha, high wis for goku?

That would be very silly

[empty thicket]

no no, goku have 50 of dex, str, etc.

10 int....

[scenic zinc]

I'll assume you mean 20

And his int & wis would be 8

[raw ocean]

Isen't the max player dex in D&D like 30?

[scenic zinc]

Usually only with items.

[empty thicket]

For goku? maybe, depend of which you pick honestly, If you pick like the Piccolo Vs goku in the martial tournament. Where goku fought against Piccolo jr.

yeah, 20, no doubt. After that the thing go wild

[empty thicket]

or buffs from allies too

[scenic zinc]

I'm assuming the intent is to still have it be in the system of 5e.

[raw ocean]

Do PC's get tired while climbing?

Like if they had a climbing speed of 30 feet, and there was a mountain that's 1000 feet tall

[scenic zinc]

It's at the dm's discretion to determine if levels of exhaustion would be appropriate

[chilly narwhal]

Hi

[empty thicket]

anyway, i guess Goblin slayer would be a Fighter, Battle master. Mostly around some of his maneuvers, proficiency with tools when he build his own stuff like bombs and other many things and finally how he learn his enemies

[humble cairn]

There's no rules covering this, but a DM could use the rules for exhaustion theoretically.

[chilly narwhal]

Im kinda new here. How is everyone?

[humble cairn]

5E is, by defaut, considered to be the Heroic Fantasy genre, which means a lot of "realistic" things don't happen because it's not meant to be realistic.

The world is fantastical and the player characters are meant to be heroes.

[chilly narwhal]

Whatcha talkin about?

[humble cairn]

Base assumptions about the genre of 5E D&D.

[raw ocean]

I love it when DM's see their players acting like heroes then throwing crazy stuff at them to "humble" them

Happened to me 4 times in different campaigns, still angered by it

[chilly narwhal]

Idk what that is… sorry.

[knotty pasture]

Did I hear Goblin Slayer, because that guy is clearly a Vengeance Paladin

[empty thicket]

Depend of how your Dm want to make it honestly

[empty thicket]

he did use any spells?

[knotty pasture]

5th edition dungeons and dragons

[humble cairn]

Oh, that "love" there is sarcastic, isn't it.

[knotty pasture]

Idk but his whole schtick/vibe screams Vengeance Paladin

[raw ocean]

Oh how did you know!

[chilly narwhal]

Oh. Well, I’m kinda new to dnd… I have some questions if anyone can help

[balmy mist]

is there anywhere i could join an online dnd group

[raw ocean]

Let us move over to #dnd-newcomers

[humble cairn]

I didn't at first, until I read your next sentence.

[raw ocean]

"Guys I'm literally an emperor, people will respect me!" The shopkeeper looks at you and says that you are but a foolish jester

level 17 character btw

[empty thicket]

That would fit more for guts at some point. The Mf is driven by pure Vengeance

[rigid birch]

hi

[humble cairn]

I lack context. Was this character actually the emperor?

And a shopkeep from that empire didn't recognize them?

[raw ocean]

Married to the empress of dragons, daughter of tiamat

[Not canon daughter, and yes my character was bard]

[knotty pasture]

Is it bad that I was thinking of a certain renegade illithid when you said emperor

[empty thicket]

+2ac for a week, congrats

[humble cairn]

So you were married into royalty, duly announced and recognized publicly?

[raw ocean]

Mhm

And my character is a well known merchant

and his family is well known too

[humble cairn]

And the shopkeep was under the rule of that royalty? Huh .. seems the Dm forgot their own world building.

[raw ocean]

That's why the campaign imploded

[hot reef]

Based on what he’s shown he’s more of a fighter (maybe rogue), plus one level in ranger

[knotty pasture]

Hell of a split

Why Ranger though

And definitely not a Rogue, no Rogue runs around with full armor and a sword

[karmic mason]

... I don't like the way you play bard then

[raw ocean]

It was accidental

[karmic mason]

so wait

your bard accidentally seduced the equivalent of a demigod?

ok that's kinda funny ngl

[raw ocean]

Bit by vampire, needed a vampires help or become thrall, went to vampire, turned out to be vampiric dragon empress, married

[karmic mason]

Better written character than the new reason I'm not playing DnD

(a Mary Sue that is being allowed by the DM with the most unfun unserious backstory ever)

do you want to hear the one part that made me realize "yeah no screw this"?

[remote wadi]

I'm listening

[raw ocean]

Im deaf, could you explain in braille

[karmic mason]

The part about her being the only survivor of a multiverse dying

... that's not how multiverses work in general, especially in DnD

[remote wadi]

So you decided to just drop the campaign?

Not blaming you, just curious what the status is

[karmic mason]

There's also the DM allowing the character to be immortal

[raw ocean]

Unkillable or unaging?

[karmic mason]

That was the real nail in the unused coffin

[remote wadi]

Immortal, so unkillable

[karmic mason]

Both.

[remote wadi]

Oh. Welp...

[raw ocean]

Does he atleast get like a massive nerf whenever he dies?

[karmic mason]

They said both

[karmic mason]

No they just can't die apparently.

[remote wadi]

Name a more infamous duo of a Mary (or Marty) Sue and an enabling DM. I'll wait

[karmic mason]

Immortal characters aren't well written player characters.

This is the best advice ever.

[karmic mason]

Problem players and bards

[raw ocean]

DM and their signifigant other trying D&D for the first time

[remote wadi]

I wasn't being literal, but yeah

Anyways, I prefer characters who realize what they're pursuing is actually not that great in the end

[karmic mason]

If someone makes an immortal character, go the Touhou route if it

In other words, neverending boredom.

[remote wadi]

To give a basic example and remain spoiler free, "Finally acquiring the Holy Grail and realizing it's just an empty cup"

[remote wadi]

Touhou?

[karmic mason]

The funny bullet hell game

There's an immortal character in it but the immortality just leaves her being bored out of her mind, so every hundred years she just does everything differently

[remote wadi]

Ah. Gotcha

[karmic mason]

I.E, 300 years, she befriends everyone. Next 300, she kills everyone that goes near her. Another 300, isolation

Its a good way to make an immortal character well written honestly

[remote wadi]

Part of me does somewhat want to get into one of those campaigns and proceed to pull the most insane stunts imaginable you hear Youtubers talk about

Don't know if you saw this one, but an example is the golden boy paladin and an enabling DM, but proceeded to get blown to pieces because he was in the middle of an explosion from gunpowder barrels he was hoarding

[karmic mason]

You wanna be Kor, the orc who invented rage carpentry basically

[remote wadi]

Took several thousand points of fire damage, but the other person walked out without a scratch because ability for fire damage immunity

[karmic mason]

Enabling dms can be good, but only if it's funny good strats

Or if it leads to a hilarious situation

I.E, the horse eater from a friends campaign (it's as weird as it sounds)

[snow agate]

maybe im built diff but i think i could handle immortality for at least like 5000 years before i get bored

[remote wadi]

Orcs are more my older brother's thing (would not be surprised if goblins were too, given his personality and choices irl)

Also, it's often better if the problem player isn't in cahoots with the DM

[karmic mason]

...or using 2 bags of holding to make a nuclear bomb by practically multiplying infinity by infinity due to a bag of holding being in a bag of holding

...turns out a small city is equal to nearly 15 levels

[humble cairn]

There's actually rules for what happens when you do that and it's not that powerful.

[karmic mason]

Oh

[remote wadi]

Now, my question is how exactly would immortality interact with physical stats like Constitution

[karmic mason]

I mean

Nuclear bomb the tiny village is still a funny story just from stupidity

[karmic mason]

If it's unaging

Nothing.

[humble cairn]

I think you and I have a different sense of "funny."

[karmic mason]

To be fair, that friends group was just playing a one shot for fun

[remote wadi]

But if she's immortal, how would she have a definitive HP stat?

Is she just above death saving throws?

[karmic mason]

Undying meaning no hp number.

They technically could be reduced to a paste, but that paste can very very slowly mold back into a human probably

Or, it could be immortality by infinite revivals

A La JoJo death loop

[lyric idol]

Undying does not mean no HP number 😭

[humble cairn]

It doesn't because the game isn't meant to have unkillable player characters and the rules for character sheets only work for certain assumptions. So you're in deep #homebrew territory.

[remote wadi]

Yeah, looking at this campaign and what my problems were for my campaign, they don't seem that bad now

[empty thicket]

Cant drop under 1 i guess

Unless some special rules disable that

vague example that i might be wrong, vampires Vs blessed weapons

Or Tarrasque with his immortal regeneration that you need a wish to stop it

[dusky nebula]

My dnd party has a player who always rolls his things with physical dice on a vc campaign

I have rarely ever seen him roll below a 15 over the last year but he got downed and hit with 2 failed death saves so i called him out of his rolling method and told him to roll publicly where he immedietly died

[lyric idol]

Tbf I like rolling physical 😭 I also fall under this because I'm playing a wild magic sorcerer and I almost always have advantage 😅

[craggy cairn]

Damn

[dusky nebula]

We have been playing this campaign for over a year and he never failed a death save before today

[hushed mason]

Yikes.

[dusky nebula]

I called him out on his rolling and he died immediately

[fiery swan]

I got a group of friends looking to get into DnD and wondering what is best way to find a game to join and learn

[lyric idol]

Yeah thats a huge yikes.

[hushed mason]

I, as the DM, occasionally roll "real" dice for secret checks, but I can't imagine letting the players roll real dice at home for an online/voice campaign.

[craggy cairn]

Grab a starter set

[dusky nebula]

I, as the player, have officially indirectly caused the first death of the campaign that wasnt me.

I have lost 5 characters in this campaign.

[craggy cairn]

What even is this campaign

[hushed mason]

Read the rules. They're free.

[lyric idol]

Cost INT investment

[fossil hollow]

You signed up for the nerd game, get those ASIs sir

[dusky nebula]

A lot to deal with.

[hushed mason]

I've been running my game for seven months, and I haven't killed a PC yet. Almost did several times (which is ideal), but we haven't had any deaths.

[dusky nebula]

The dm is mostly a drunk and doesnt balance encounters

But atleast i have made myself very difficult to kill

[hushed mason]

Sounds familiar...

[old sluice]

I'm sorry, your DM is drunk?

[dusky nebula]

Periapts of wound closure and remarkable recovery with 23 ac and a cloak of displacement

[dusky nebula]

The majority of the time

[hushed mason]

I tried to play with a DM like that. I politely excused myself mid-way through the second session.

[glacial cliff]

Does anyone know if the warlock can pick the agonizing blast invocation twice? Im trying to put it for both my eldritch blast and word of radiance. (1 level fighter and 12 warlock)

[craggy cairn]

Been in a Curse of Strahd group so far and only my character has managed to “die” (got revived twice, saved from getting his soul taken once by Strahd) and this has happened to nobody else

[craggy cairn]

No

[hushed mason]

Maybe ask in #dnd-rules ?

[dusky nebula]

All 5 of my character deaths were before third level spells so no revivify

[glacial cliff]

oops thank you

[craggy cairn]

Crazy

[hushed mason]

Sorry, wasn't trying to send you away!

I just have no clue what the answer is.

[old sluice]

No, you can't

[glacial cliff]

It says that the invocation can be picked again. So im not sure if its technical thing from dnd beyond or rules

[old sluice]

Anyways, even if you have the spell slots and prepared revivify, you may not have the material components. Those things are pricey

[old sluice]

Oh I'm sorry, 2024 rules? Then yes you can.

[fossil hollow]

DDB is just bugged. Its a known issue

[glacial cliff]

ahhh i see. thank you all

[old sluice]

Wait... It needs to be a warlock cantrip. Is word of radiance a warlock cantrip?

[fossil hollow]

If you get it through Pact of the Tome yes

[plain palm]

Hi is there a server that I would post a campaign idea that I cant figure out what to do with it

[old sluice]

Then it's fine

[old sluice]

#dm-discussion

[plain palm]

Thx

[remote wadi]

Gottem ggs

[fiery swan]

I’m saying I want to find someone else’s game that is for beginners where do we do that at

[hushed mason]

AH! Then you want one of the other channels.... #looking-for-players

[fiery swan]

Thank you

Wasn’t on my channel list for some reason

[wanton forge]

whats shackin bacon my non-gang affiliated buddys

[fiery nimbus]

i don't know what to say to that

this is the first time Ive seen welcoming words that work as a conversation ender

[wanton forge]

lol

im so extremely new to d&d

the only time i did anything with it was dnd club in 5th grade

[fiery nimbus]

Welcome then, you want the list of topics that will start a war? number 7 will shock you

[stable solar]

Id like number 12 please

[wanton forge]

war huh

nukes?

[fiery nimbus]

For some reason the book describes Demiplanes as Extraplanar spaces but it doesn't describe what are Extraplanar spaces in the rules

[stable solar]

Isn't that because there are multiple ongoing theories, and they like keeping it open ended

[fiery nimbus]

in game theories do not matter for the rules

rules are supposed to be clear in what they describe, otherwise they might as well not exist

[wanton forge]

how do you join a guild thingu

[glass granite]

You mean a game, or a server?

[fiery nimbus]

the what?

[wanton forge]

idk bra

a thing with a dungeon master

[glass granite]

A game. Read #find-a-game

[stable solar]

I just realized whenever I roleplay its always arrogant/rude characters and now im concerned that is my like innate personality...

[glass granite]

Sorry to tell ya, but characters are often a reflection or extension of the player /hj

But you’ve been chill enough in conversation tbf

[stable solar]

Yea that seems about right 😭 I just wanna be nice

[fiery nimbus]

No real harm in stepping back and examining yourself

[old sluice]

Seems like a natural language situation. Extraplanar, meaning outside this plane.

[keen valve]

Agreed, you will always have a little bit of you in your character. Intended or not.

[winter thorn]

I have found it, an engine that allows you to make custom swords and weapons; is there a channel I can safe post the link where it won't be taken down?

[remote wadi]

Humans did kind of get the reputation of self inserts

[raw sonnet]

Help voices in my head are trying to convince me to turn wizard from "Wizard with a gun" into a separate dnd class

[winter thorn]

That just sounds like artillerist artificer

[raw sonnet]

Artilerist has turrets, wizard with a gun has a bunch of guns with magical bullets

[winter thorn]

You can even multiclass into wizard to get more spell slots lol

[remote wadi]

It would be funny to do a Lizardfolk Artificier. Could make for some interesting inventions

[winter thorn]

Artilierist has a damage gun and a healing gun. If you want magic effects, arcane archer or rune knight might be the way to go

[raw sonnet]

The voices are telling me to make it into a separate homebrew class

[winter thorn]

I've done it once before, it did get much when I play tested it

[winter thorn]

You do you boo

[remote wadi]

Well, making it based off of a video game character is probably one of the few times were a joke character would be fitting

Especially for a one shot

[raw sonnet]

Like chips in the Corona virus vaccines?

[remote wadi]

What?

No

[raw sonnet]

You know, those insane theories that lizard people created the vaccines and those vaccines don't actually prevent any illnesses and they just contain chips made to control us

[remote wadi]

Like belly armor, helicopter backpacks, and a blunderbuss that shoots giant cannonballs that doubles as a vacuum that can pull people in

[raw sonnet]

Just play inspector gadget at this point

[remote wadi]

I was literally trying to make a King K Rool reference and it still took a sharp turn off the politics cliff...

[humble cairn]

Conspiracy theory moreso.

[raw sonnet]

Crazy anti-vacs theories are not politics

[remote wadi]

Well, you get the point

[humble cairn]

Yeah I had an idea for this, constructs made of bone and sinew.

[novel shuttle]

Hey everyone, i dont talk here often but i need advice asap... Im having a dnd session in a few days, i'll be dming and i will have 7 to 8 players give or take... Any advice?

[humble cairn]

That's 2-3 more players than I would take in a game.

Any way to split them up into two tables?

[novel shuttle]

I thought the same, im not sure what i should do... But we cant do a split. I thought of maybe having a co-dm with me but im not sure how that would go..

[humble cairn]

I feel like that many players and people aren't going to get time devoted to them. Combat rounds wil also take a very long time and people will get bored waiting.

[raw sonnet]

With that amount of players you'll probably get a very little amount of roleplay. You can try making the campaign more focused on combat

[glass granite]

Don’t throw single enemies, they die in one or two turns. Learnt the hard way.

I also DM for 7-8 players

[novel shuttle]

That ik, i planned to up the difficulty, but idk how i could manage so many players alone.. Never done it before. The most i dmed for was 6..

[glass granite]

Oh, and always have a backup plan in combat, usually involving ambushes or reinforcements. Balancing encounters is a nightmare

Having the spotlight on all the players is also rlly difficult, so just try your best but don’t force it to fit else it’ll feel messy

[empty thicket]

unless they are really strong, btw, 7 to 8 players... ouchy

[glass granite]

Even if they are really strong

[empty thicket]

if already a party of 3 to 5 is dangerous, 7 to 8 its criminal for you

[glass granite]

If you make something that strong, they’ll kill multiple players. Maybe even one shot them. Basically, fatality is inconsistent

[empty thicket]

Yep, its hard to adapt only 1 to 3 enemies to 8 players.

[novel shuttle]

Well idk, guess i will throw multiple dragons at em. The campaign i came up with is very dragon themed anyway so.

[empty thicket]

Even at lower levels (3 to 9) its a pain because they have too much resources

and even if they go the fruit salad (1 each class) its just too much

[novel shuttle]

Luckly its a friend group of mine so im sure that helps a lot... But still so many players in never dealt with yet

[empty thicket]

i will find if my dm let me have a pseudodragon like mascot

[novel shuttle]

Idk, i like it when my players come up with their own species or try to adapt other species into dnd from different franchises

[empty thicket]

or familiar better said, would love it

[novel shuttle]

I usually allow it as long as i get to take a look at it beforehand

[glass granite]

That’s…a preference. I have the lil hollow knight in my world, tbf

[empty thicket]

i have some ideas but i know some are too hard to adapt, like one i would try in a future is a Living armor (construct reflavored) that would be an artificer using all the time (consuming 2 of my infusion slots permanently) arcane propulsion armor.

[novel shuttle]

One of my players had a Renamon from digimon, as a bard at some point

[empty thicket]

a dispel magic would stun me and a countermagic make me have 0 speed

but sadly, that need to do some numbers and im not good with those

[keen valve]

Oh fr? I would have expected monk.

[old sluice]

I just realised something.

Dragons that can't breathe water, if they use their breath weapon underwater, stop holding their breath and start drowning

[reef tundra]

Oooh, a good way to take out a wyrmling or young dragon

[hot gate]

Those dragons that are typically encountered near or underwater (green and bronze dragons off the top of my head) are indeed amphibious and thus can breather underwater.

[reef tundra]

I’m still very happy that in 2024 the amphibious trait isn’t the only ability that differentiates some dragons

Stats and element changes not included

[hot gate]

You mean because the older ones have spellcasting included now?

[reef tundra]

Tbh yeah, spells and unique legendary actions were all they needed to make me like the dragon stat blocks far more

[empty thicket]

they have gills¿

[hot gate]

that, or they are just so cool

[empty thicket]

gills mean a weakspot, hope its teh scenario

[hot gate]

I definitely welcome the change yeah. It gives them more flexibility.

[hot gate]

Eh, weakspot targeting isn't a thing anyways.

[reef tundra]

It’s up to the DM’s interpretation. But it would be cool

[empty thicket]

true, but doing some actions into them kinda are, aka, throwing a firebomb inside of it

or a caltrops bomb on it, something i need to see if my dm let me make

[reef tundra]

RAW would like to have a word with you /j

[empty thicket]

mh? what?

[hot gate]

Rules wise that's still not a thing, but yeah if you ask your DM and they allow it, go for it.

[reef tundra]

Rules as Written

[empty thicket]

oh that, yeah, i dont expect it to have a real rule for it, but its into the DM decision of letting me do it or not

[reef tundra]

Amen for DM freedom and expression

[empty thicket]

and most importantly, getting close to the gills from such creature wont be easy

[reef tundra]

(Once a DM of mine let us instakill an archmage by dropping rocks on him)

[reef tundra]

Agreed

[humble cairn]

The ones that are amphibious, though, can do stuff like swim in dark water (fully obscured, but they don't care because of blind sight) and strike at PCs with their reach, with advantage, or breathe from under the water.

[empty thicket]

and for such action i would expect a high dc in something, aka, athletics or just dext and if failed i get punished

[reef tundra]

Or absolutely insane stealth

[shadow vapor]

I feel like we need a Clerics just for the elements, like I've been building clerics recently, and those guys are actually super cool (pun intended), but I feel like they need more elemental diversity maybe make a Clerics whos god is of the the land allowing them to cast spells that shape the earth at a heightened level mold earth for instance. or give a bonus to the DC of ice spells for ice Clerics. maybe these seasonal Clerics are more exclusive to different environments an ice Clerics keeping to snowy tundra's, and praying to the gods of that land to help them find shelter from the storms, ok maybe I'm a bit bias I love me my Ice mages but come on these could all be cool and super lore pacted.

[snow agate]

this is called a land druid

[reef tundra]

Well we have tempest clerics, but I elemental clerics would be cool

[empty thicket]

or a sneaky mage hand moving at one side of the creature and sneaking 2 black powder bombs inside of the gills, there is lots of options

[reef tundra]

But at the time time, I agree with musicrobolution, Druid can work for it. Druids already get their magic from nature and to am extend, a god of nature

[shadow vapor]

I'm pretty sure druids get their powers from the lands, not gods.

[reef tundra]

I feel like a creature would feel someone putting something in their gills

[shadow vapor]

I've never made a druid in my entire life, so I could be wrong.

[empty thicket]

at that moment it would just explode

[empty thicket]

Yep, druids get their powers from nature.

[reef tundra]

Actually both are true

[snow agate]

the thing is WOTC would have to actually write cohesive lore for their deities to expand this since there arent many nature deities, and counting on WOTC to write something is like counting on a cat to listen to you

[reef tundra]

How would they time it to go off as soon as it’s inside the gills?

[icy zephyr]

Hello everyone, I hope you are doing well. I have a question: isn't there a group for French speakers? Because I have only a basic level of English. Anyway, I will try my best to chat and understand you given my level of English.

[shadow vapor]

True

[snow agate]

it does exist in older editions tho so you could probably poach things from there for homebrew inspiration

[empty thicket]

Druids and ranger = Nature
Artificer and Wizard = Knowledge
Sorc = Himself or some outside source (normally heritage)
Paladin and cleric from gods
Warlock from deities or demons
Bards use their charisma to manipulate reality
Idk if i left some caster class outside

[glass granite]

There are, but they’ll likely be hard to find through this server

[snow agate]

the fun thing about playing druids and rangers is you get to make up weird background npcs like talking trees or king trilobites

[glass granite]

Paladins don’t inherently get their power from a god, and warlocks can have patrons that are neither deity nor fiend (namely, genie)

[snow agate]

its called a summary

[glass granite]

Fair point

[empty thicket]

Yes and no, you just need one little justification for it,
"i was always more of the kind of people that play outside instead of reading" kind of stuff

[snow agate]

while you were a nerd reading math books i was talking to giant lobsters

[empty thicket]

" Whether sworn before a god's altar and the witness of a priest, in a sacred glade before nature spirits and fey beings, or in a moment of desperation and grief with the dead as the only witness, a paladin's oath is a powerful bond. "

[glass granite]

They’re commonly followers of deities, but their power comes from conviction, not a blessing of a deity

[reef tundra]

I’d say sorcerers get it from an inside source

[empty thicket]

Tomate tomato
oh btw, the subclasses of classes that dont have spellcasting at first always go for int. Meaning they learn how to do magic, like Wizards

[reef tundra]

Paladins also get their power from their mystical oaths

[reef tundra]

No

[empty thicket]

Tell me one that doesnt

[glass granite]

Don’t 4 element monks?

[reef tundra]

Oh wait you meant Eldritch knight and arcane trickster

[empty thicket]

i have 2 examples, "Arcane trickster" and "Eldritch knight" do

[reef tundra]

I thought you meant 2014 Ranger and paladin who don’t get Spellcasting until level 2

[empty thicket]

That it is, Fish reacting you

[empty thicket]

That is why i said "Subclasses".

[reef tundra]

Yes I noticed after I sent the message

But yes, Eldritch knights and arcane tricksters are wizard coded

[glass granite]

…

[reef tundra]

We don’t talk about four elements monk

[empty thicket]

that use Ki

[reef tundra]

No no no

[empty thicket]

his own stat, with that Ki he cant age.

[glass granite]

Hey it’s the ONE monk subclass i dislike, but if it helps in a convo ill use it

[hearty quarry]

Guys how does this villain idea sound. It’s a cleric he is the head priest in a secret village deep in the jungle everyone sees the cleric as a savior but actually it’s a head leader of a cult that plans to summon an evil god that will destroy all beings that doesn’t join there cult.

[reef tundra]

He’s talking about the modifier used

[glass granite]

Still uses wisdom, even if it’s ki

[reef tundra]

Or she, or they

[glass granite]

Or it

[reef tundra]

Classic

[glass granite]

Noice

[empty thicket]

and cleric too, cleric being part of the Religious pack of classes

[reef tundra]

If a priest is in charge in a place, 90% of the time I don’t trust them

[glass granite]

Ah, but clerics get spellcasting without subclasses

[reef tundra]

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make

[empty thicket]

But Monks have their own thing, KI.

Everything can be solved with KI, no wait, that is a slander to the live action mulan.
Anyway, 100 baboons is too much for a party?

[glass granite]

That is true
Still uses wisdom

[glass granite]

Depends on the party.

100 baboons is a lot to keep track of. How are they gonna feed them all? Having one pet is hard enough.

[reef tundra]

It’s like saying “but spellcasters use spell slots” which is true, but it’s not their Spellcasting ability

[glass badger]

anyone got any ideas for a social focused infiltrator/manipulator?

[reef tundra]

My first thought was slaying them all

[glass granite]

Changeling bard/rogue

[hearty quarry]

Thanks im planning that ima have them do a task to steal am amulet for the cleric before they find out he’s evil and when they bring the amulet back the cleric reveals that he is the main villain all along

[reef tundra]

Rogue

[glass granite]

It’s most people’s first thoughts too, tbf

[pliant sapphire]

You have whispers bard, too

[empty thicket]

A warlock acting like a Cleric that is with a cult behind him? yeah, make it work

[reef tundra]

It’s a nice, easy to handle plot. I’m sure your players will love it

[glass badger]

i was looking at bard eloquence, sorcerer aberrant and rogue mastermind

idk im all over the place with this onee

[glass granite]

Aberrant mind is solid, but it’s not as specialised for infiltration

[empty thicket]

God i forgot the amount of features that Monk have, its a literally wall of text that class

[glass badger]

yeah but the idea of subtle spell casting and telepathy seemed different i guess

[glass granite]

That’s a fair point

Subtle suggestion is very powerful

[pliant sapphire]

Great old one warlock, too

[craggy cairn]

I am partial to gaining the ability to summon an imp as a friend, so Warlock ends up being a favorite

[glass badger]

and for rogue i was torn between mastermind and inquisitive

[glass badger]

thats my second choice fr

[glass granite]

Wait why has no one said Ranger

[empty thicket]

Im scared of making a Wild magic sorc and get the 6 flumphs around me screaming of fear

[glass granite]

Pass without Trace and Stealth Expertise and a decent Dex stat gets you >+20 to stealth rolls

A gloomstalker also can just not be seen with darkvision

[glass badger]

loved gloomstalker ranger in bg3

[glass granite]

Consider soul knife

[reef tundra]

You’re gonna love gloomstalker in 2024 dnd

[glass badger]

im not familiar with soul knife?

[glass granite]

First of all, you have the ultimate concealed weapon

Second, you have telepathy with a range of a mile

[glass badger]

im trying to avoid stealth since i did that alot in my last campaign i was in, trying to see if i can focus more on the identity deception aspect, taking courtier to kinda mix into the noble royalty theme my DM has going

[glass granite]

You can also add your psionic die to ability checks

You also get invisibility

[glass badger]

what would u combo soul knife with?

[glass granite]

Wdym? I’d just go straight soul knife

[glass badger]

oh rlly its that good?

[glass granite]

No multiclass really needed. Maybe a level or two in bard or ranger for more expertise, but you really want Reliable Talent

Which is 7th level

[hot gate]

Here's a spicy take: all straight classes are good

[glass granite]

I agree, except Ranger capstone is horrendous

[glass badger]

u right, i just like multiclassing alot tho

[glass granite]

Other than that, I agree

[glass granite]

Have you tried straight classing?

Or have you only multiclassed? Only asking cuz I see some newbies do it.

[reef tundra]

Okay I can agree with that

[glass badger]

i did once in my first playthrough of dnd, i just did a rogue thief

[hot gate]

Eh, haven't tried it, I suspect the fact that it's extra damage actually makes a big difference.

[glass badger]

but tbh i didnt really know what was going on

[reef tundra]

I see it all the time

[glass granite]

I bet you also think straight artificer sucks, and you should only take it for the first level for con save prof /j

[pliant sapphire]

Its not too much damage increase for a capstone

[reef tundra]

I can agree with that too but I just feel like it isn’t worth of being the capstone

[glass granite]

Maybe, but at least on paper it looks extremely underwhelming

I haven’t had the opportunity to play many classes tbf

[reef tundra]

Hey I don’t think it sucks… I just hate its subclasses

[glass granite]

What’s wrong with my copper golem autognome riding his copper robodog

[glass granite]

Only played monk and bard, if I recall

[pliant sapphire]

Then that PC doesnt exist? 🙁

[glass granite]

I am recalling incorrectly! That one got blown up by a holy hand grenade.

Didn’t stand a chance

[hot gate]

Not by itself, but considering elevated crit chance from the level 17 feature and multiattack, I can see some shenanigans.

[heavy oxide]

but its not a level 20 capstone feature

[quasi dome]

I’ve been updating a lot of my old characters to 2024 and in so many cases I’m dropping multiclassing on them because I was using it to address failures in core class competencies that they’ve fixed

[craggy cairn]

Need to find a holy hand grenade for my Curse of Strahd group..

[glass granite]

Remember: thou shalt count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three.

Basically, don’t blow yourself up.
And preferably not an ally either

[glass granite]

2024 kinda made multiclassing both less needed and in some ways weaker

[heavy oxide]

i really wanna play curse of strahd ive only heard good things about it

[glass granite]

I’ve heard good reviews, except for one review that complained it was too lethal/gave no way out of situations (smt about the death house)

[heavy oxide]

i also dont get whyd you want to play full ranger

[limber trail]

Ah, Death house my beloved

[glass granite]

It’s not bad

Capstone is just kinda weak imo

The rest is relatively fine tho

[limber trail]

I’ve never played death house but it’s so funny to think that there’s this one section that is just hyperlethal

[knotty pasture]

Most campaigns don't get to the point where Full Ranger feels middling I suppose

[heavy oxide]

multiclass i can understand but its just too much of a one trick pony for my liking

[glass granite]

I’d argue that Ranger (at least 2024) is fairly versatile

[knotty pasture]

I dunno is Ranger that much of a one trick pony compared to the likes of Barb

[heavy oxide]

what is the death house

[glass granite]

A part of CoS (Curse of Strahd). Smt about a house that’s really deadly.

Haven’t played it tho, so idk

[heavy oxide]

atleast with barb it fits with what its trying to be with ranger its like they have a vague idea of what they want

[limber trail]

People overexaggerate ranger. Is it worse than some other classes????? …sure
Is it unplayable? Not even remotely

[hot gate]

Hyperbole? In my D&D discord? Say it ain't so!

[heavy oxide]

its very playable and is strong but for me it relies to much on hunters mark for me to play

[zenith wind]

it's more likely then you think

[glass granite]

Ranger can do skill checks, support, stealth, some damage, utility…

[heavy oxide]

unless its 2014 ill play 2014 ranger

[humble cairn]

I had set out to play a monoclass Ranger in full faith, but after awhile even I decided to dip into another class for extra spell slots and a few other things that seemed better to me than the Ranger capstone. I don't really even use Hunter's Mark very much. I think Ranger does just fine without it.

[zenith wind]

imagine a house that is evil

[steel pulsar]

Hi, I’m brand new. Where should I begins..

[zenith wind]

make a character!

[glass granite]

Read up on the first few chapters of the free basic rules on #learn-to-play , and feel free to ask any questions you might have.
Then make a practice character and get it reviewed.
Once you’re ready and got the fundamentals down, you can check out #find-a-game for information on how to find a group online. To make a post, type the appropriate command in any chat channel.

[heavy oxide]

im just saying i wouldnt play ranger i understand why other people would

[steel pulsar]

I just made one on the beyond app!

[humble cairn]

Ranger is like the opposite of a one trick pony?

[steel pulsar]

A Goliath cleric 🙂

[humble cairn]

Surely with Tasha's upgrades?

[glass granite]

They said “is Ranger) not “Ranger is”

[zenith wind]

now check out local game shops or our local discord recruitment for games to play that character. https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/750813601358676008

[heavy oxide]

i love tashas ranger

[steel pulsar]

How do I get my character reviewed?

[heavy oxide]

its just 2024 that i hate

[prime pewter]

Guys the Masque of Red Death is amazing. Read it please (my party is doing a horror campaign and it got me thinking about it)

[glass granite]

Send the link to the character sheet to #character-discussion

[humble cairn]

Uhh, but 2024 Ranger is basically Tasha's Ranger streamlined.

[heavy oxide]

i just like tashas more

[humble cairn]

I played 2014 Ranger and 2024 Ranger and for the most part 2024 Ranger feels good.

[glass granite]

I’m unfamiliar with 2014 Ranger so i can’t give much input here

[prime pewter]

Now that I think about it, it would make a great oneshot

(The story would, I mean)

[knotty pasture]

2014 Ranger is stronger as a whole

2024 is in favor of casters even further + Gloom Stalker getting nerfed

Ranger may feel nicer but they are overall worse in some way

[humble cairn]

How do you figure?

You think all of 2024 favors casters more than 2014 did?

I dunno if I agree with that, but how do you figure?

[knotty pasture]

The martials vs casters gap is wider at least, not really well versed in it but I put my faith in whatever #optimization has concluded

[humble cairn]

Is that the conclusion that channel reached? Weird, I would think it was the opposite.

[craggy cairn]

Beastmaster Ranger with a giant toad, while illegal in RAW (animal companions must be medium sized) sounds absolutely baller

[humble cairn]

You can make your Primal Companion a giant toad if you want.

[humble cairn]

Any conclusion you can link?

[glass granite]

I have a giant crab in my game :D
Also, a toad the size of a medium creature is definitely giant

[craggy cairn]

Giant Frog is considered medium and can use a Swallow attack against anything Small or lower, while a Giant Toad is Large and can do the same for medium and lower

The mini I made for it is right here actually
#dnd-minis message

[knotty pasture]

#optimization message

Bit more on the discussion for tabletop build discord too

[timber turtle]

does a water elemental freze it if you hit it with a frost spell?

[humble cairn]

Ahh thank you for that. After scanning it, it seems to fundamentally be a discussion about damage, which is never what the martial/caster divide was fundamentally about.

[knotty pasture]

It was also because spells kind of just do everything at once

[humble cairn]

The essence of the martial/caster divide, such as it is, is that spellcasting is the biggest toolkit in the entire game, yes.

But that many times also depends on DMs not running Skills very well. See Skills are also a very versatile toolkit, they are just broad tools, in contrast to the usually very specific tools that are spells.

But since the divide is about Utility and not Damage, the gap is actually smaller in 2024, because non caster classes got enhanced for Utility in various ways.

[hot reef]

Didn’t they nerf a few of the standout spells?

[hot gate]

It does not fully freeze, but it gets slower when hit with cold damage.

[tame forge]

Anyone have creative ideas for magic mouth commands for undead?