dnd-discussion

[valid geyser]

theyre the player in that their goal of the game is also to have fun

[marble lion]

except for who is playing. everyone could leave. they cant control that

[knotty basin]

The players can leave if they don’t want to play said game

[simple abyss]

Someone just helped me with the 69 hp, but now, how i level up?

[glass granite]

They can’t control what the players do

Which is a fair amount of the game

[scenic zinc]

You're entirely wrong.

They have as much "control" as the players agree to allow them to have.

[knotty basin]

Ok, well that’s just a lie

[potent prawn]

By playing

[knotty basin]

The players can’t stop the DM from killing off a character

[marble lion]

i just wanted to clarify that a DM does not have to change rules whenever any member of the game doesnt like them. that person can argue their case, maybe convince the table or leave

[scenic zinc]

Again, there's no game that dm is dm'ing if the players all leave.

[knotty basin]

Sure, but that’s not what the argument is about

[marble lion]

while dnd should be fun for everyone who is playing, that doesnt mean you have to make it fun for everyone instead of sometimes removing someone from the game because they are not having fun

[valid geyser]

if they agree thats a power the GM to have, then yes

[scenic zinc]

It is, though.

[hollow stone]

if they control what the environment looks like, control what enemies spawn, control what content can even be played, and control the dialogue of NPCs, that is literally total control over all but the player's free will

[marble lion]

due to the DMs critical nature in the game coming to be, there is an imbalance here and so the DM does have a lot more control

[fickle heart]

I think this topic is one where two entirely unrelated approaches to the game that are almost fundamentally incompatible are both being conflated.

[valid geyser]

usually most players dont agree that a DM can just kill someone on the drop of a hat

[marble lion]

because 1 DM saying no is the end of the game
1 player saying no is just a hickup, leading to at worst losing 1 of x players

[potent prawn]

Nobody is stopping them though

[knotty basin]

But they can. The players might not like it, but all they can do is leave in that case

[marble lion]

well the DM can though. im just gonna leave

[simple abyss]

I'll understand... Somewhen, menwhile i'll search by myself

[frail wasp]

i mean to extrapolate, in a video game, is the computer the god of what happens next ... or is the player?

[hollow stone]

DMs have most of if not all of the buttons, but they also have all of the responsibility of facilitating a positive experience for the players

[blazing whale]

Both

[frail wasp]

since, without the player, the computer just sits idle

[valid geyser]

yeah, leaving the campaign is what they can do. That's the social contract of the game

[glass granite]

Pretty dang good analogy actually

[potent prawn]

What do you mean by level up?

[glass granite]

Ask in #dnd-newcomers

[simple abyss]

Ok thanks

[scenic zinc]

My entire point is that the game you play relies upon group consensus and a social dynamic within said group.

Everything that happens within a given game relies upon either tacit or explicit approval about how that game is going to function.

No one singular person is in charge. The entire group is - because it's a group game.

[fickle heart]

If we are referring to what most people would generally consider "good D&D" where you have a relationship with the DM and they aren't entirely a rando, the DM is quite literally reducing their quality of game by potentially throwing away relationships with players they like, and vice versa for disruptive players. If we're referring to playing D&D with a total random you don't know/talk to at all, then yeah, the DM can go nuts and can potentially lose out on ever getting that "good D&D".

[blazing whale]

With video games it's give and take; actions lead to your own or a party members death, but the catch is you can reset/revive.

[hollow wraith]

I just finished a 5 year long D&D campaign by "accidentally wild magic blowing up the planet" and releasing the threat that the planet was created to contain. Next campaign, Aetherpunk intergalactic Empire VS sentient Anti matter apocalypse

[valid geyser]

i mean there is a difference between being able to stop something from happening and accepting that as fair and reasonable and continuing without an uproar

[glacial pulsar]

Nice dude! congrats

[glass granite]

Sick!

[serene olive]

I’ve been getting an itch/burning desire to create a new character and a friend of mine who has done two of my one shots just reached out to ask if I was interested in jointing their campaign 🥹 yall my dreams are coming trueeee.

[glacial pulsar]

Congrats!

[glass granite]

Hooray!

[serene olive]

I’m thinking wizard 🤷‍♀️

[raw ocean]

You guys ever finished a campaign with randoms as a player before?

[marble lion]

only with partial randoms

not a full party of randoms

[glacial pulsar]

No never
I joined campaigns with randoms
Then those randoms become friends
Then I finish those campaigns

[valid geyser]

a couple times

the best bet I think is to play with old guys i think

[glass granite]

Hi thinking wizard, I’m Nugget

[empty thicket]

no, for now in the campaign im in they are friends, we share the same autism

[marble lion]

i joined 1 random game, it ended up being a combat & repeat game with a guy being way too comedic and 1 minor after we all agreed to play with adults only because the DM forgot to ask that person who then was grounded by parents and missed 50% of game time for multiple sessions

after 3 sessions of bad mic, shouting parents and no story/roleplay whatsoever i bid adieu

[raw ocean]

Wait, what does way too comedic mean 😔

[valid geyser]

again, this is why old guys

[potent prawn]

Do you guys also hate when someone has the main character syndrome

[glass granite]

Ye

[marble lion]

only if theyre bad at it

[glacial pulsar]

If they bribe me pizza I don't mind

[marble lion]

they usually are though so yes i guess. i wouldnt mind a party face that had mc syndrome if they were good at it though

[empty thicket]

The forced pacifist bard
I miss my wife paladin
Greedy goblin artificer
I will commit harson Figther
And finally me, the distorted reality figther.
We are all a good group of friends and we love each other

[valid geyser]

when i played with old guys it really wasnt high roleplay though, it felt more like "show up every wednesday, play through an adventure path for a few hours, leave when we're done"

[raw ocean]

Oh alright, I try to joke alot and people actually laugh about it, I was worried if people actually diden't like that

[potent prawn]

Do i have the permission to smite them to death?

[scenic zinc]

-# everyone in the party is a main character

-# the story literally follows them

[marble lion]

in-character joking annoys me when done too frequently, above table jokes are mostly fine as long as you dont interrupt people talking

[potent prawn]

"i open the door first" and doesnt let others talk because apparently they got something more important to say

[glass granite]

I interpret “main character syndrome” as trying to make it so that only they are the main character

[scenic zinc]

Tell them to knock that garbage off above table

[raw ocean]

One player died and he pulled up a character named "Thundius Stormgrip"

[marble lion]

whats wrong with thundius stormgrip

[potent prawn]

Or i can smite them to death

[marble lion]

its a little miss but not terrible

[glass granite]

Hello new here, I’m Nugget!
This likely would be better in #dm-discussion , yes, but I think it’s about identifying specifically what is slowing or harming the game.

[serene olive]

I think the #dm-discussion is a great place for dm advice! I’ve gotten many a helpful tip there 🙂

[scenic zinc]

Nope. In game solutions to above table problems do nothing.

[blazing whale]

Ty I'll move it there ~

[potent prawn]

Then i'll gently ask

[scenic zinc]

They make you just as toxic a player as the other person - if not more.

[marble lion]

nah not always

[scenic zinc]

Yep. Always.

[marble lion]

sometimes its so blatant that blowing off steam is fine, but its definitely not mature

but it needs to be pretty damn bad for in-character responses to not make you look just as bad

[scenic zinc]

If you have a problem with someone you should talk to that actual person.

[raw ocean]

Thoughts on not liking a character in your party but liking the player themselves?

[marble lion]

unless its so obvious and blatant that you dont consider them worth talking to so you do a little thing to relieve stress and then get them kicked/leave

[glacial pulsar]

Totally normal

[marble lion]

but still its not mature

[scenic zinc]

Happens all the time.

[raw ocean]

I think I remember seeing something where some dude got sick of a campaign and DM unfairness so he just killed his character and wrote a new one with a 12 bajillion page backstory where he could change anything just to mess with the DM

[potent prawn]

Have you ever broken the paladin's oath?

[glacial pulsar]

Did it last session lol

[marble lion]

the reason why i excuse this behaviour if warranted is because it feels good for the person who has faced the others bad deeds

being "the bigger person" isnt for everyone. its okay to be emotional and doing what you need to vent

the best of us never do that but its definitely not wrong and it definitely doesnt make you worse than the other person

[craggy cairn]

Sometimes being the bigger person means using that mass to whack someone over the head

[valid geyser]

hasnt often happened to me. Paladin oaths are pretty flexible in how vague they are

[marble lion]

giving them just that one satisfying insult to pay them back for weeks of bad behaviour before walking away is very very normal

[raw ocean]

A lot of people think being the bigger person is just taking the hit and being mature about it, god forbid someone hits back for once

[marble lion]

expecting people to never do that imo is naive and judgemental of what is effectively a victim

but if you want to be constructive and save the game, DONT do this. instead choose to talk

[raw ocean]

A campaign I was just in recently imploded after DM/Player dispute about a player getting kicked, Player left a massive message being brutally honest with the DM and basically calling him childish

[potent prawn]

My DM often forgets i have to follow an oath.

[scenic zinc]

No. The solution is talking with that person and solving the issue above table. Attacking their character for what's actually an above table issue makes your actions no better than theirs.

[valid geyser]

half of them are just generally "be a good little guy and dont do anything too crazy"

i think the fact that you have an oath usually means a lot more to the character than whats in it

[raw ocean]

Personally if the campaign is already done for, I'm just gonna do something to send me off. I also respect your thoughts on the subject too

[marble lion]

"getting back" is fine

[potent prawn]

Exactly

[marble lion]

not ideal but fine. definitely not as bad as the other

[raw ocean]

Having an oath is like having a diet, if you leave your diet it you will gain weight but the worst part is breaking your own self promise

[scenic zinc]

In my opinion, it's worse - especially if no conversation ever happened. If it was something that could have been fixed by just talking to them, you're the one who is the bigger offender.

[raw ocean]

Interesting

[marble lion]

"if it was" indeed

[scenic zinc]

Which you don't know unless you try that first.

[marble lion]

some boundaries cant be crossed and then talked out after

im talking behaviour that settles it for good, not little disagreements

[scenic zinc]

Those type of boundaries are discussed in s0, and if violated that person is removed.

[raw ocean]

Well, not every boundry in existence can be looked over in just 2-4 hours

[west vale]

That type of discussion isn’t limited to those 2-4 hours though

[scenic zinc]

That's why other safety tools such as x cards or green/yellow/red are brought up, to dynamically adjust during play.

[west vale]

If a line or veil is crossed that wasn’t originally discussed about. It can be brought up in another session zero to discuss things

Plus session zeros aren’t limited to only the beginning of a campaign

[scenic zinc]

These kind of things are above table issues, to be addressed with the actual person doing the offense. It's not something to be addressed to the in-game character.

[marble lion]

yeah the cases i am talking about dont really happen if whoever manages the group does their job

because then they will remove the person offending before the "getting back" thing can really happen

usually this is the DM but it technically can be anyone as long as they are respected as the "youre out" person

in the scenarios i am talking about, this doesnt happen in time and so the person is left to dealing with it on a personal level

[west vale]

That really shouldn’t be one person’s job though. It should be a group responsibility.

[marble lion]

yeah sure it can be whatever you want

[scenic zinc]

Going back to what I was saying earlier:

My entire point is that the game you play relies upon group consensus and a social dynamic within said group.

Everything that happens within a given game relies upon either tacit or explicit approval about how that game is going to function.

No one singular person is in charge. The entire group is - because it's a group game.

This whole situation is included within that.

[marble lion]

in my experience, its mostly the DM though

[raw ocean]

Not every DM is going to have the will to instantly ban a player, no questions asked, especially if it's far into the campaign

[marble lion]

and many players wont feel like they have the authority to do so

[raw ocean]

There's alot of scenarios in D&D, so technically neither of us are right or wrong

[marble lion]

no one person is wrong because theyre speaking in absolutes

the rest said sometimes and therefore is correct

[scenic zinc]

No single character in a story is worth more than actual people.

[raw ocean]

Woah man, "Fuzzy Bottom Bumble Mike" is worth more than every story

Don't diss FBBM

[scenic zinc]

If the player playing as fbbm goes to try to murder a child in any game I run, that player is gone.

I don't care if they have an interesting story or if they're central to the plot or if there's 2 more sessions left and we've played for years.

[raw ocean]

Above-table issues should always be talked out first, but when communication fails or boundaries keep getting ignored, frustration builds and people sometimes act out — that’s all I’m saying.

[scenic zinc]

I get that. I'm just saying that the "acting out" part isn't justified.

[raw ocean]

Fair enough — I’m not saying it’s justified, just that it’s what realistically ends up happening when the group dynamics break down. That’s the only point I was making.

[vale sage]

Does anyone want to be a mod, or know someone who does, for a writing server?

[lyric idol]

I agree with this up to harrassment of the super bad super terrible kind. Yknow what I' referring too.

[raw ocean]

Yeah, of course. I’m only talking about normal frustration when communication breaks down, not anything extreme or targeted. That stuff is never okay.

[lyric idol]

Okay then yeah I agree with you entirely. Frustrations should be discussed. Especially since theres a decent probability they have no idea theyre doing something to frustrate a player.

[raw ocean]

Exactly. Most problems get fixed fast once people actually talk about it, and half the time the person doesn’t even realize they’re causing frustration until it’s said out loud.

[marble lion]

its justified

[azure jasper]

how does action surge work?
Is it once per turn for the entire combat encounter
or can I only use it once before I need a short rest to reset it?

[lyric idol]

No you get a set amount of uses for it. I believe its once per short rest up until a certain level

[raw ocean]

You can only use Action Surge once per short rest at level 2.

[scenic zinc]

I'm gunna be that guy - have you read what the book says?

[azure jasper]

kk, ty

[scenic zinc]

It literally tells you exactly how it works.

[raw ocean]

Im actually blind so I simply harness the rules of the universe to understand D&D.

[marble lion]

using common sense actually gets you quite far

[scenic zinc]

Blind people can read too 🙂

[vale sage]

?

[raw ocean]

Wait, how? I thought blind people could only listen. I know some blind people still have partial vision though.

Guess I still have stuff to learn in the expansive universe.

[marble lion]

he means braille

the little bumps you can feel with your fingers

reading is technically not limited to visual input

[raw ocean]

Ah got it. Thanks for clarifying. I knew about braille but didn’t connect it in the moment. Appreciate the explanation.

[west vale]

That’s something that would be better to ask in #non-dnd-topics

Though I should note it’s best to have a vetting process before you make someone a mod on your server.

[scenic zinc]

Braille.

[west vale]

Plus generally Disabilities are a spectrum and one’s experience with a particular disability may be quite different from another’s.

[raw ocean]

I wonder if blind people would have even more fun with D&D than sighted players, since they often have stronger imaginations?

[void saffron]

This is something I’d say when I’m drunk ;-;

[raw ocean]

People tend to ask me if im high quite often.

[bright marten]

Hello I am a new player to d&d but I have been look for people to play with is anyone interested?

[raw ocean]

I am sober for the record.

[raw ocean]

#looking-for-players You can use this channel to find groups to play with!

[bright marten]

Thanks

[glacial pulsar]

Check the listings in #looking-for-players for games that want people, read the details, respond as appropriate and cross your fingers.

Type /looking and select the option for #looking-for-dm to advertise yourself as a new player in search of a group. Be sure to include your regular availability!

There are other Discord servers where people gather for games. You can find them in #looking-for-community .

Aside from here, you could also try LFG areas in sites like Reddit, Roll20 or the D&D Beyond forums to get started. -Mr Smith
I personally joined a public DND one shot server, made friends on there when we started a campaign or went on startplaying. Still play with them to this day.

[raw ocean]

To this day, I refuse to buy a web cam for D&D

Never really understood the need for web cam if you might as well just play offline

[marble lion]

the point is that you can get the "social experience" while not having to be locally close to each other

i actually much prefer camless games but there is definitely a reason for cams

they want to see each other while playing, they find that more engaging

and they probably would play offline if they managed to get a game going offline

but who knows? maybe they dont like going out, maybe they like the home comfort for the game

[raw ocean]

Understandable on the not being able to find an offline game, still will never like web cams

[marble lion]

i love not using cams because it lets me completely ignore the real person and focus even more on the in-universe stuff

when i play dnd im just gone from the real world

with webcams there is a much bigger link to the person behind the role

[raw ocean]

I just looked at LFG and saw a studio ghibli heavy roleplay campaign and got so hyped up, then I saw web cam required

Genuinely shed a tear

[marble lion]

sorry to hear that

it sounds like something a person could get excited about

[humble cairn]

Maybe consider a filter?

[marble lion]

you sure its not worth getting a webcam for?

i did it once and while it wasnt perfect, it was still fun i guess

[humble cairn]

Like you'd have the cam, but you could still hide most things behind a filter.

[raw ocean]

Personally I just don't like linking my face face to my online face

Past experiences really messed that whole side of the internet up for me

[warped cipher]

could I use character sheets from past editions for my current character?

[marble lion]

i like hiding my face online too

[raw ocean]

The intense speech about freedom coming from the potato filter:

[humble cairn]

Would you be okay covering your face with a filter?

[fossil hollow]

No. Older editions work entirely different from 5e

[marble lion]

would the game be okay with that though?

[raw ocean]

I would probably have to think about it, but maybe

[humble cairn]

You know .. one of these days someone is going to make a customizable filter to put your D&D character's face on a filter.

[marble lion]

you should definitely ask them if thats okay because a big reason why someone might ask for cam is because they want the genuine face-to-face

[raw ocean]

Please do not use past edition sheets for 5E unless you convert it to be fully 5E, some older editions can become extremly busted in 5E

This comes from personal experience, please dont

[fossil hollow]

or just not work

Transferring C++ to Python

[raw ocean]

Old DM let me get a "Celerity" spell which was basically an action whenever I wanted and it broke some encounters

[marble lion]

if you mean 5e 2014 by past edition, you can mostly convert it quite easily

[raw ocean]

And that's on the lower tier of 3.5 madness

Ever seen "Nailed to the sky"?

The name is accurate

[marble lion]

but you cant be nailed to the sky

[raw ocean]

True, spell should be changed to "Put them into orbit for 4 hours"

[marble lion]

much more accurate

but it doesnt have to be accurate

nailed to the sky is okay

[raw ocean]

I personally consider it an upgraded banishment

Interesting...

[loud tendon]

Please dont circumvent our language filter.

[hushed mason]

"Nailed to the sky actually places the target so far from the surface of the world and at such a speed that it keeps missing the surface as it falls back, so it enters an eternal orbit. Unless the target can magically fly or has some other form of non-physical propulsion available, the target is stuck until someone else rescues it. Even if the target can fly, the surface is 2 to 4 hours away, assuming a fly spell, which allows a maximum speed of 720 feet per round while descending. The target may not survive that long. Depending on the world where nailed to the sky is cast, conditions so far from its surface may be deadly. Deleterious effects include scorching heat, cold, and vacuum. Targets subject to these conditions take 2d6 points of damage each from heat or cold and 1d4 points of damage from the vacuum each round. The target immediately begins to suffocate."

[raw ocean]

Mmm, level 3 spell, maybe 4?

[hushed mason]

It's an epic spell.

[raw ocean]

Nah, level 2

[oblique frost]

Sorry if im interrupting but whats PBP?

[fossil hollow]

play by post

[oblique frost]

how would that work

[marble lion]

oh i forgot that. i thought it was play by play

one person posts something in text, then another reacts with their own post

play by play kinda makes sense too thats why i thought that

[glass granite]

Text based dnd, where anyone can chip in to continue the story in their own time whenever they’re online

Removes scheduling sessions from the equation

[marble lion]

its a slow style that takes days for even one encounter to finish usually and is expected to take that time

[oblique frost]

Oh thats interesting

not really my thing though, I'd wanna get together with people tbh

[marble lion]

i would just find it impossible to only do one thing and then wait for days

[oblique frost]

exactly my issue with ut

[glass granite]

It’s not for everyone

[marble lion]

if i was to attack someone, would i have to say "i do this"
and then wait for the DM to get online and tell me what to roll?

[glass granite]

Yup

[marble lion]

then wait until i see that response, possibly days later, and finally get to roll, so the DM can then tell me if i hit next tuesday

that just sounds awful i cannot fathom

there must be some streamlining there to speed things up

[glass granite]

Usually it doesn’t take that long, but yes it can be quite slow

[oblique frost]

I hit a goblin and I send a carrier pigeon to the DM to let him know I rolled a critical failure

[void echo]

Hi everyone !

[marble lion]

nawe

[fossil hollow]

naur

[void echo]

I did smth bad here ? Mb...

[oblique frost]

its just your name sounds like an Australian "no"

did nun wrong

[void echo]

I never noticed omg you're right

[minor lake]

we used to do post by post combat but it was chatroom so it was just whoever could type faster would win lol

[oblique frost]

thank the one and only for it haha

[void echo]

Are you guys good with filling character sheets by any chance ?

Cause i just tapped back into dnd and i might have forget everything lmao

[hushed mason]

I am, but only with 3.5e. 😉

[marble lion]

i just said your name to acknowledge

[void echo]

If you mean € i'm down for this price man lmao

[oblique frost]

I am conpletly new to dnd so, I can definitely help

[void echo]

I see i see and i guess you made me a bit australian at the same time lol

[marble lion]

3.5e is an old dnd edition

e stands for edition

[void echo]

@oblique frost like, i have an entire character ready to go, backstory, stats, equipement BUT this sheet is driving me crazy

[oblique frost]

I watched this guy explain the history of DND, so im kind of a pro in that aspect of it

[void echo]

Oh yeah obviously mb 🦧

[marble lion]

i recommend a youtube video

ive learnt it all from youtube at first and it was quite fun

[void echo]

Please 👏🏻

[marble lion]

then i used google to narrow the finer points

i didnt mean a specific video. its been years

[oblique frost]

what kindw character you have?

[void echo]

I'll search it up ! And do you recommand the dnd character maker on dnd beyond or should i just print the sheet ?

[void echo]

A rogue 😝

Its the only class i've ever played so the choice was kinda natural lmao

[oblique frost]

my first and only ever character is a halfling called "Garret Goodbarrel" and I was a rogue that would always seek out a barrel to hide in

too bad I could never really use him

[void echo]

This is the kind of character that makes fun campaign and we love it fr

[heavy latch]

Question for anyone who would be happy to help me: I'm playing a warlock/fighter posing as a sorcerer/fighter but I've got some warlock spells that I'm pretty sure sorcerers don't have access to, im still looking into it but if anyone has a spell they can think of that could pass as a disguise for Eldritch Blast, Hellish Rebuke, True Strike, or Mind Spike please lemme know it would be much appreciated

[sleek cloud]

Why’s that

[glass granite]

Don’t sorcs get true strike?

[oblique frost]

because I've only played once and that was for like an hour. it was also years ago haha. I cant find people to play

[marble lion]

firebolt could work as eldrich blast

[strong moss]

D&d beyond's sheets might be more helpful, but note that we're moving into 5.5e so both 5e and 5.5 will have stuff listed on the site- depending on which edition you're going to play, you can filter out the other edition

[marble lion]

as long as the dm knows, and only until level 5

[heavy latch]

(I'm kinda new to dnd so I didn't know this so thanks 😂)

[heavy latch]

Yeah I thought that would work

[marble lion]

until you meet something fireresistant

[strong moss]

But tbh a paper sheet is always better to learn your actual character

[heavy latch]

Ah, we're lvl 6 so ig not

[marble lion]

yeah you cant hide warlock from the others at level 6

[blazing whale]

Use both digital and paper

[glass granite]

Why are you even hiding it at this point?

[marble lion]

at that point, id just come clean to be honest but hide it from NPCs instead

[dapper sedge]

a question can anyone help me: on my paper phb, the beast sky's str is 6, but someone tells me on beyond is 14 and the sea have 6 str is it true?

[heavy latch]

Thats alg, cause my fellow adventurers do need to at some point figure it out

[blazing whale]

I was about to ask too

[heavy latch]

Because its part of the background of the character, just something cool

[oblique frost]

are you a secret bad guy possibly

[blazing whale]

My interest is piqued

Super spy warlock

[heavy latch]

Well... I'm being hunted and also my patron is a demon who kinda puppets me from time to time to do his bidding.... so not great.

[fossil hollow]

do you have beast of the Land chosen?

[glass granite]

Lying to your allies is…cool?

[marble lion]

yes tbh

[strong moss]

I'm also playing a beastmaster rn, my beast of land has 14, sky has 6, sea also has 14

[marble lion]

intrigue is a part of entertainment and not every table will be offended or hurt by player secrets

[oblique frost]

every good guy is a bad guy in another's story

[fossil hollow]

Each of the beasts have different stats

[marble lion]

not to mention, hiding something doesnt instantly mean malice or pvp

[heavy latch]

Bassically, im part of this elite Drow Gaurd that requires you to have good magic and fighting skills and is high up in prestige, but I lost my magic, in desperation secretly made a deal with a demon for magic, and its a shame I hide as I try to undo it and find my real magic

[marble lion]

sadly though it is worth a sus look whenever someone has a secret because problem players are drawn to that kind of feature too

[runic heron]

Hi

[marble lion]

but that doesnt mean its always bad to do

[runic heron]

I'm new

[strong moss]

Might be better to let the players know, but tell them that their characters don't know yet

[heavy latch]

Luckily we all know each other so im not worried about that

[dapper sedge]

thank you，maybe is a bug

[heavy latch]

Hello New

[marble lion]

at some tables that is the way to do it. i personally would find it terribly boring to pretend not to know this

[royal quail]

Hi guys...

[runic heron]

Nice to meet you all

[marble lion]

its a very common sentiment in here though that you should play with open cards

[fossil hollow]

i think it can also be an errata

but best to check in #ddb-support

[heavy latch]

Yeah within our group its not uncommon for a character to have secrets, most of ours do, just differs on scale of them

[marble lion]

the only thing i wonder is if being a new player mixes well with handling a secret class

[heavy latch]

Im just needing to hide the spells somehow cause one of them knows almost all spells by heart 😭

[hushed mason]

Only one of the characters in our group has secrets - at least that I (DM) know about.

[heavy latch]

I mean, I say "new" as in first time being a player, I've Dm'ed a few times

[humble cairn]

Players who try and keep secrets from other players usually turns out one of two ways, in my experience: 1) The other players figure out the secret immediately and ruin the surprise or 2) the other players never figure out the secret and when it is eventually revealed they don't actually care .. ruining the surprise.

[hushed mason]

And he's not keeping them super secret. He's good enough to drop some hints every now and then. He's the only one that gave me enough of a backstory to build into the campaign.

[heavy latch]

Most of this convo has been less about what spells could be cool illusions to replace warlock spells and mostly how keeping a secret could go wrong within the party 😭

[runic heron]

I love being a DM because its a space to explore storytelling

[oblique frost]

maybe thats a hint?

[humble cairn]

Now this is specifically different from player characters keeping secrets from each other while their players are all in on the secret and working together to make the reveal.

[dapper sedge]

ok, thank you

[heavy latch]

Yeah- but this group has a history of doing secrets and doing them well as said before

So I feel quite safe in my standing

[marble lion]

ive said my piece ^^

[heavy latch]

Thnks man

[marble lion]

you cant hide eldritch blast to my knowledge and they will find out almost immediately

[void echo]

Aight ! Ty !

[fickle heart]

Honestly, the main thing that a good secret reveal needs is to be tied to the plot, so the more basic it is, the less impactful it will likely end up being.

[humble cairn]

Also the classes themselves aren't even necessarily something that exist in-character, so like the difference between a Wizard or Warlock or Sorcerer isn't necessarily even significant, in character.

[heavy latch]

Yeah I'll keep digging, tbf we don't show hp of monsters so it might work? Only one is hellish rebuke which i might have to save for serious occasions

[marble lion]

i think the hidden thing here is having a patron

"woah you have a devil pact???"

[heavy latch]

Yeah it is tied I've been told, idk how tho since im not the dm

[humble cairn]

If you're going "oh that's obviously an Eldritch blast" that's metagaming.

[fickle heart]

Hmmm, I dunno if I'd say that, considering that we even have NPC statblocks that refer to the classes diagetically.

[heavy latch]

Rather "Your the reason we keep finding dead bodies when we wake up"

[marble lion]

oh damn so youre very bad

best luck i hope it goes well

[humble cairn]

Right, but an NPC Druid isn't the same thing as a PC Druid. The Druid statblock doesn't Wild Shape, for instance.

[hidden spindle]

With four divine casters, three arcane casters, four martials, that just leaves the minstrel (Bard).

[heavy latch]

Yeah, the demon kinda requires a blood sacrifice every now and again

[heavy latch]

Thanks! I hope so to

[fickle heart]

Aye, but them having different functions doesn't mean they aren't diagetic, y'know?

[humble cairn]

Yes, both are Druids, but only the PC Druid is the Druid "Class" if that make sense?

[hidden spindle]

Did Monsters start losing "class?"

[humble cairn]

Monsters don't have class unless specifically added by the DM.

[hushed mason]

It's all very fifth edition.

[fickle heart]

For sure. I'm more referring to the idea that PCs familiar with certain classes could absolutely be recognized as different by their most basic facets, even similar ones like mentioned before.

[vast pelican]

It's kind of ridiculous that the Druid stat block doesn't have wild shape.

[hushed mason]

I just finished making a perfectly normal level 9 wizard that I could use as a playing character... except it's an NPC.

[vast pelican]

As an enemy it's basically any other humanoid but it can cast moonbeam once.

[worn smelt]

bonjour

[fickle heart]

I wouldn't even say that recognizing Eldritch Blast is necessarily metagaming, unless we assume that one can make spells look so significantly different from their assumed appearance that you can obscure what spell you are casting, which seemingly goes against the fact that you can identify ongoing spells with an Arcana check.

[hidden spindle]

Man..! The Mage is a (Wizard) but Druid is not a (Druid)!

[humble cairn]

Sure, but when it comes to something like "I have to pretend that my Eldritch blast is another cantrip" I don't think the knowledge of very specific spells is going to be a diagetic indicator of class, that's a ridiculous level of knowledge to be available.

[glass granite]

Greetings, Burrito of the Great Beyond

[worn smelt]

wondering which class to pick for my next character

[hushed mason]

Isn't there a skill check for that?

[worn smelt]

you just gave me an idea

[glass granite]

Don’t you love it when that happens

[worn smelt]

i do

this is the third god in my setting

it shall sit in the thrones of the big three

[fickle heart]

I'm not so sure if it's ridiculous, assuming exposure. Seeing a Paladin use Divine Smite probably gives a pretty big hint to what they are, for example.

[worn smelt]

the cube in the center, Zylt, god of death on the left, and the burrito on the right

[humble cairn]

Your point about the Arcana check is fair, but also Eldritch Blast is the most reflavored spell ever.

[vast pelican]

An eclectic pantheon, to be sure, but a welcome one.

[worn smelt]

as the gods recover from the massacre committed at Zylt's hands, it shall grow more and more

[hidden spindle]

I think its only the Mastermind Rogue that can discern Classes...

[marble lion]

without the burrito in there its intriguing

[hushed mason]

I want a burrito.

[worn smelt]

wait what

[marble lion]

i like a god simply called "the cube"

[worn smelt]

oh that

[hidden spindle]

I had a leftover burrito for breakfast

[marble lion]

id love to eat a burrito, not worship one

[worn smelt]

yeah it's a joke among a few friends about an almighty cube

i drew something of it

[glass granite]

Is it a cube

[worn smelt]

and I cannot send images

[marble lion]

its a trapezoid

[worn smelt]

it is indeed a cube, but the real focus of the drawing is the cubetouched

[fickle heart]

For sure; it really depends on how liberal the DM is with allowing that reflavoring and how common that type of knowledge would be. Admittedly, it would be a bit more difficult with the fact that NPCs don't necessarily use PC spells anymore.

[worn smelt]

as fall rolls around, we would like to introduce pumpkin spice eldritch blast to the table

[humble cairn]

Let me say that I prefer a reality in which the classes aren't totally diagetic and blur between each other because NPCs don't have to follow PC rules and can surprise players.

[hushed mason]

You mean... like how it used to be. 🙂

[humble cairn]

PCs and NPCs use to run on completely different rules because they serve different narrative purposes?

[hushed mason]

No, they used to run on identical rules.

[fickle heart]

I suppose it depends on how much desire there is to involve classes in the actual dynamics of the game, even if NPCs run on different rules. (I enjoy it quite a bit.)

[humble cairn]

Then no.

[hushed mason]

Ah, alright.

[worn smelt]

there's artificer which gets the machines

[fossil hollow]

using character sheets for NPCs goes against what Ophidimancer was saying lol

[knotty basin]

How do we all feel about more “episodic” campaigns? Like a series of interconnected one-shots within the same world

[worn smelt]

barbarian, the "my favorite word is defenestrate" class

[hushed mason]

I can't wrap my head around the NPCs being made differently than PCs.

[humble cairn]

Those can be fun!

[worn smelt]

bard, the well-spoken class

cleric, the doctor

[fossil hollow]

i prefer to be able to make my own monsters (and humanoid NPCs) without being limited to player sheets. Plus, players are just glass cannons

Players dont get Legendary Actions to help fight 4 players

[worn smelt]

druids, who i like to imagine are half quiet, coffee-sipping gardeners and half drugged-up hippies

fighters, the chicken and rice of the whole thing

[scenic zinc]

Simply put, they're not player characters so they follow monster design rather than player character design.

I have no desire to be required to build any monster of my choosing by having to give them X class levels and such. I just want to make a stat block that fits the character I'm designing instead.

[fossil hollow]

statblocks are so much more free and open in design

[worn smelt]

monks, the karate kids

paladins, who are clerics with swords

rogues, who will sneak behind you and slit your throat

sorcerers, who just kind of sit there. i mean, they have wild magic, but that's all they have going for them in core material

[humble cairn]

I like involving class themed factions maybe, but not the classes themselves. A faction of primal terrorists who want to destroy civilization would not recognize a different faction of genteel genealogists studying destiny and bloodlines as anything similar to themselves even if they both used druid statblocks.

[worn smelt]

warlocks, who made a deal with Cthulhu to steal their friend's money

and wizards. fireball

[fossil hollow]

where did you get my Elemantani Circle notes

[worn smelt]

anyways, fun idea!

[humble cairn]

We've been fighting them in game, haven't we? I've been paying a little attention.

[fossil hollow]

i dont think youll see them again until a bit after the Ouroboros

[worn smelt]

agree to dm the campaign. when the players derail the campaign, as they do, go grab a massive box. unlock it and pull out a safe. unlock that to reveal a lockbox. unlock that to reveal. t h e f o l d e r.

[scenic zinc]

Does it hurt to call them druids? You don't need to use a druid statblock. They can culturally or socially be druidic.

[humble cairn]

There's more cults than actual people, I swear.

[worn smelt]

this will involve fights that THEY WILL LOSE. have them fight gods. and lose! when they derail the bad guy's train, let him get away and have an evil god try to crush them. keep them humble.

[fickle heart]

Interesting. I'd see them as recognizing each other as Druids, even if they had entirely different methods. After all, the origin of their powers is the same.

[fossil hollow]

wait what? 😭

[worn smelt]

time to start planning my own session

[scenic zinc]

-# I recently used the word ouroboros at work and was looked at as though I had multiple heads

[humble cairn]

Haha I'm only joking about the fact that the Cradle seems to have a veritable buttload of cults.

[fossil hollow]

tbf, you dont get a bunch of powerful monsters in one place without them catching nefarious attention

[humble cairn]

That's a hydra 😉 /j

[hidden spindle]

-# Isn't it a snake eating their own tail?

[scenic zinc]

Correct

[fossil hollow]

yea

[scenic zinc]

They didn't know that

[fossil hollow]

i do agree, not a lot of non cult people recently
I need more big wild monsters and dinos

[humble cairn]

I wouldn't have them thinking that at all. It would be work (that probably a player would have to put in) to make them bend their separate philosophies toward each other.

[median shore]

would love to make a boss fight revolving around an amber hulk :3c

[humble cairn]

More dinos! Yes please!

[fickle heart]

I guess what I see it being is that it's not a matter of philosophy if they are both actually viewed as Druids, and them both being Druids doesn't mean they agree or get along.

[hidden spindle]

Thinking how an Ancient Paladin or Nature Cleric could be mistaken as Druid. Am I missing one?

-# Ranger

[humble cairn]

But if one has one of the Princes of Elemental Evil as their explicitly stated power source and the other says that they only tend to the Tree of Life I don't know why, in character, they would both be called Druids. Except maybe by snooty book mages who have to classify things and just draw connections between things and arbitrarily clump them together as "Primal."

[knotty pasture]

Curious, but which version of dnd is this

Or if its even a dnd thing at all

[hushed mason]

3.5e

[knotty pasture]

Damn we really are going back in time with this one, interesting

[fickle heart]

If they have sufficiently different origins of power, it's entirely possible they are actually seen as different things, though at that point the Druid statblock is more of a placeholder than an actual representation, if that makes sense.

[hushed mason]

They don't have to be identical, but the standard way to create them is to do it the same way as PCs.

[knotty basin]

Is a CR 1/2 an appropriate bossfight for two level 1 characters (druid and rogue)

[hushed mason]

Boss?

[fossil hollow]

as a boss, no

[turbid vessel]

Hard to say for sure cause there's a lot of factors that CR doesn't account for. Is it the boss after a bunch of fights? Does the party have health potions?

[humble cairn]

Which bring us to "warlocks" because one person whose power source is a Great Old One would probably be viewed as different from one whose power source is an Angel.

[minor cargo]

Will the CR 1/2 creature monologue long enough to get the surprised condition?

[knotty basin]

What about a CR 2? And there’s like, 1 combat before this.

I just don’t want to kill the players with one hit

[minor cargo]

CR 2 is roughly where I was thinking - but it’s tricky because there’s only 2 PCs.

Depending on the monster, you could do the CR 1/2 but double its HP. Or do two or three CR 1/2?

[fickle heart]

Viewed as different, entirely possible, but also could be viewed the same, which is largely the unavoidable thing about classification. You can pretty much make a cut at any point and classify stuff the same or differently based on arbitrary things. For example, every single subclass could be viewed as a different "class", though the more similarities that exist, the more people will make associations, diagetically or not.

[fossil hollow]

deadly as hell. Especialy if its just 2 people

[knotty basin]

So you’re saying CR 1?

[fossil hollow]

yea

[daring flume]

Hello fellow DND Players! I'm Josiah or you can call me Red if you can't remember my name. Anyways, I saw a lot of stuff about this game and I really want to play and become a part of it, but I'm going to need a lot of help understanding cause I'm Autistic. But I'm not gonna let that stop from playing and enjoying this new game! So can anyone help me plss?

[eager marsh]

party level x2 for the cr of a boss fight was a loose gauge when you have a party of 4 specifically

[hushed mason]

How different is the CR system in 5th edition vs. 3rd?

[fossil hollow]

seeing how the CR cap in 3e was higher, very

We have CR 30 as the max. Yall have CR 90 and higher

[glass granite]

Hello Red! Glad to have you here. I recommend asking the folks at #dnd-newcomers , they’re the specialists for this

[minor cargo]

Haha, IMO having been a DM for both 3.5 and 5E for a while, the concept of CR translates well (“a number to help you make challenging encounters”).

I find 5E is more vibes based as 3.5 asked you to look at like HD and stuff. But both fit well.

I also don’t know about CR 90 stuff. 😜

[knotty pasture]

I'm personally also curious about how CR works in 4e compared to 5e, been trying to adapt Murder in Baldur's Gate into 5e (was a 3.5/4e campaign)

[minor cargo]

But also, 3.5E had the Epic Level Handbook which let you go above level 20.

I THINK some greater deities were like CR 30? Maybe 40??? I’d have to check.

[fossil hollow]

I remember Titans being higher than that

[tardy jasper]

Titans get high yesh

[fossil hollow]

3e was a wild era

[tardy jasper]

Them titans they be blazing

[fossil hollow]

then theres the Time Dragon Greatwyrm or something around 90

[hushed mason]

Most games never got that far. 🙂

[fossil hollow]

but yeah. Our strongest monster is either the Tiamat Avatar Statblocks or Sul Katesh

CR 30 and 28 respectively

[clear lark]

Depends on the creature to be honest. Low CR's monsters can be deceptively dangerous.

[minor cargo]

Oh I know that one. Joey Wheeler played that against Weevil and it used time roulette to age up baby dragon into that, yeah.

[fossil hollow]

children's card games on motorbikes?

[oblique frost]

what

[raw ocean]

I found a cosmic horror-esque campaign

im praying for the best, main fella asked for some past character's so I just wrote some excerpts

[marble lion]

oh thats a scary question geez

man thats like asking for a resume come on give people a chance

unless it was to make the game more fun for you, not to control your performance

[humble cairn]

Maybe a vibe check.

[glacial pulsar]

"Hey XXX, I took a look over your application for the campaign and things are looking good! Can we do a voice-cam interview in about 30 minutes?"

[raw ocean]

Genuinly happened to me before

Dude was advertising "Laid back campaign, and chill DM"

[hushed mason]

That is laid back.

[glacial pulsar]

"Also here's a full list of questions I would like you to fill out about your past experiences in DND"

[hushed mason]

Not as laid back.

[raw ocean]

I can understand a google doc or something, but a full interview afterwards just for a 90% chance of the campaign ending in 5 sessions?

[hushed mason]

If you don't want the campaign to end in five sessions, pre-screening the players is a good idea.

[marble lion]

i mean a full interview can also just be getting to talk to you a bit

that makes a lot of sense honestly. i dont think id like if a DM accepted a player he never talked to

[hushed mason]

From now on, I want to sit in on a session before I start playing. I've had two horrible experiences in a row with DMs that are just so far off from what I would expect. And as for players... omg... everyone wants to play 3.5e and it's hard to find a game with an opening, so you get ALL KINDS of people that want to play... all ages... all experience levels.

[marble lion]

the thing with past characters is that it makes me worry about being punished for past things when i possibly want to do something completely different this time

[knotty basin]

What about a rust monster or two?

[marble lion]

not to mention that other tables have other rules and themes so judging a player by past plays might be really really bad if not well-thought out

[glacial pulsar]

DUDE ugh I once had a really long google forms full of questions and made an application for players to join my dnd campaign in a community server of friends like its so important

Now I look at that and so cringe

[marble lion]

honestly even if youre smart and understand this, it might be a bad idea because your brain might be unable to shake the bias

its kinda like asking you about your exes imo

[hushed mason]

Hah! Some of us don't have exes to speak of.

[slow lantern]

How do I make a samurai (not fighter archetype specifically, general character theme) with a gun? (Quickdraw revolver, made for a surprise attack sidearm, not the main weapon)

[marble lion]

that in itself can be an answer that gets you booted from the date

i dont like judging people by the past if i wasnt a part of it

[glacial pulsar]

#character-discussion

[glass granite]

Samurais used guns
Just do a regular samurai character

[slow lantern]

Oh ok

[hidden spindle]

If not a Fighter archetype, you could look into Kensei Monk

Though personally I'd suggest Sorcerer

[marble lion]

definitely not

a sorcerer is neither a melee fighter nor has a gun

[clear lark]

Creatures with special abilities (the dangerous ones I spoke about) are always going to be hit or miss. You can use one rust monster just to see how it works out. But 1st level PC's are bascially "in training". Start them off with fights against brigands, orcs (now called Toughs), troglodytes, etc.

[marble lion]

i think fighter is the best one to choose here anyway because you can actually make the "surprise" attack do something with battlemaster

[hidden spindle]

Pick up Martial Weapon Training. Gain enough gold to purchase Firearms. Then True Strike twice a turn.

[marble lion]

you can use the gun with a maneuver you pick

[glacial pulsar]

Tho why haven't they made a melee sorcerer yet? Like we have the bladesinger??
Closest we got was Stone Sorcery

[marble lion]

and it would let you do stuff like disarm people in a sword fight etc to show mastery beyond "smack enemy"

[knotty basin]

Eldritch knight

[glacial pulsar]

That's not a sorcerer

[vale sage]

hello 🙋🏼‍♂️

[crimson gulch]

i have destroyed 3 sets of platemail off off paladins clerics and a fighter with them, so good

[minor cargo]

I've had conversations in the past about whether each spellcaster class should have a "martial" subclass. I honestly still remain on the fence about it - mostly because I think trying to design classes to fit some kind of symmetry doesn't seem as compelling as a reason as designing them for narrative purposes.

[past blaze]

I like the concept of a sorcerer throwing hands

[glass granite]

But melee caster cool

[glass granite]

I was gonna say, I don’t even need them to use weapons

We don’t have a good melee spellcaster that imbue spells into their fists (closest is elemental Warrior)

[past blaze]

literally just giving them some AC, some spenditure options for survivability, and some kind of class-synergistic attack function, you get the feel

[glacial pulsar]

Image your family lineage dates back hundreds of years, your ancient grandfather was a true polymorphed sword, and his genes carried all the way down to you. SWORD SORCERER
There's potential for narrative

[humble cairn]

I have a concept to try for a melee range caster using the Oni Sorcerer from Obojima, take a look and see if you like the potential.

[hidden spindle]

That one is good. Them horns!

[clear lark]

Sublclasses as they are now are a WoTC thing. A radical change, at the time, from TSR when subclasses were part of the primary class (eg Fighter's subclasses were Paladins, Ranger, Barbarian etc.). Asking for them to make a subclass melee for a Wizard would be indeed another radical change.

[humble cairn]

We've had over ten years to get used to 5E. Bladesinger is a melee Wizard subclass.

[still fiber]

Hey so I’m new to dnd, and my boyfriend and I were looking to maybe do a one shot or a campaign to introduce ourselves to it. Is it possible to use a ai engine for a campaign? And insert both of us into it? Or how would that work since it’s only two people. It would help us both, A. Know what we are doing. And B. It will help him get in the style of game dnd is.

[minor cargo]

Hey welcome!

Unfortunately AI can’t really do D&D. It can get close on a surface level but a lot of the fun comes from making these stories as a group of people.

Beyond that, Gen AI models tend to have issues with some basic things like story consistency, rule consistency, and of course hallucinations. Humans also are prone to this - but it’s different when your friend forgets an NPC name vs a bot.

I would highly encourage you to try to get a group (not AI) if possible. That’s the best D&D experience!

[knotty basin]

Personally, I think an unthinking, unfeeling machine is not a great choice to write a story with.

[past blaze]

An LLM is an algorithm trying to get engagement points. It will hallucinate, lie, and be a yes-man. It can be gaslit, accidentally. It doesn't think, it doesn't understand.

D&D inherently is a game that runs on the engine of human brains.
Even BG3 had to take some creative liberties in limiting infinite freedom when coding a videogame.

[clear lark]

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/880956314308714566 Try there.

[still fiber]

Yessirs, I’ve also had thought on things like that. Since y’all got a bit more experience with the dnd world of knowledge. Is it something that people would typically do, to hop on a zoom call or a FaceTime type deal. We live in a small town and finding nerdier people who are willing is pretty hard to do. Also what would you say the bare minimum is for a party to start with?

[glass granite]

Online dnd is certainly a thing! (Imma let Steve answer this, cuz they usually go more in depth than me)

[minor cargo]

Yup, I do a lot of D&D these days over Zoom or Discord VC or things like that.

For the bare minimum, I say you just need a DM (dungeon master) and a few players. Then we just make characters and we go! My games are pretty loosey-goosey so I find having a good grasp of the rules isn’t necessarily a priority, but it certainly helps to play more smoothly!

[glass granite]

Usually, 4 or five player is preferred, though 3 or even 2 isn’t unheard of. One player isn’t really recommended (heck, 2 is pushing it)

[slow lantern]

Dude...

A lot of the games are full...

[fossil hollow]

just gotta keep looking

[slow lantern]

And the empty ones don't allow guns :trol:

My character's entire gimmick is pulling out a gun out of nowhere

[glass granite]

Hmmm…
-# I have a campaign soon that has guns, but I’m unsure if I wanna add another player

[slow lantern]

I'll reserve that potential slot

Is it async PBP?

[glass granite]

It’s text based, sessions tho

[slow lantern]

I'm SEA time but I think I can join

[glass granite]

Though, this is getting out of the scope of the channel

I’ll just notify you if a spot frees up

[slow lantern]

Yippeeeeee

[humble cairn]

Oh hello! Someone else in SEA time.

It's rough when my regular game is in US time.

[slow lantern]

I really am feening for a game because I already have a really cool lore for my character

[fossil hollow]

id move it if i could, but i dont think the others are able to 😭

[humble cairn]

No, it's fine I knew it was coming and planned for it, there was no way you could have prepared for me to move to a different country.

[fossil hollow]

yeah, probably for the better for you as well

[glass granite]

Hey, can creatures using only truesight differentiate between visible and invisible creatures?

Edit: wrote invisible twice

[slow lantern]

WHEN NO ONE HEARD A WORD-

[fossil hollow]

like, can they tell if a creature has invisibility on them?

i think only if the creature acts like they are, otherwise, you just see them

[glass granite]

I see

[unborn bramble]

realest experience ever (I’ve been unable to find any game despite numerous attempts)

[potent siren]

It applies to see invisibility as well

[slow lantern]

Then you find one and

"Sorry, no firearms of any kind are allowed!"
[BIP BIP BIP BIP BIIIIIIIIP]

[glass granite]

Aussie Aussie Aussie! Oi! Oi! Oi!

[final oracle]

how much damage would a oil barrel do when its on fire?

[fossil hollow]

up to dm

[glass granite]

I’d say like 5d6 or smt

[slow lantern]

You can't really be a samurai cowboy without a gun

[glass granite]

But yeah, up to DM

[slow lantern]

I mean you could use a bow but that's kind of a boring alternative

[final oracle]

okie dokie thanks yall

[fossil hollow]

crossbow

[unborn bramble]

semi-automatic crossbow! (best alternative)

[slow lantern]

Nah I want a true-to-life six shooter

The Colt Single Action Army; The Glock of the Wild West

[fossil hollow]

reflavor

[frail epoch]

Have a nice day chat 👋

[small mulch]

Gonna try to run my first DnD game as a DM. Wish me luck

I made the post in the channel.

(I hope I didn't accidentally break any rules in it. I'm still very new lol)

Also, genuine question, is it like, considered scummy to go straight for paid players/games? Like, should I DM some free/regular games first?

If it is scummy or unethical, I deeply apologize.

I'm new to this, and I'm really scared that I may have done something wrong/incorrectly

[unborn bramble]

i don’t see how it’s unethical/scummy whatsoever imo, you’re the one investing your time/effort into DMing

[small mulch]

Phew. Thanks

[unborn bramble]

but i would probably make it clear with them how much experience you’ve got as a DM, since paid games can imply you’ve got a lotta experience

[small mulch]

Got it. I made it clear. I'm also offering refunds too if someone wants to back out before the game starts

Also I'm charging five dollars per player, which I hope isn't too much for a first time DM

[vale sage]

Hello

[small mulch]

Hi! Hope you're doing good

[vale sage]

I’m new to dnd

[glass granite]

Hi new to dnd, I’m Nugget

[vale sage]

Hey nugget

[vale sage]

What character class are u look at lately

[glass granite]

I recommend checking out #dnd-newcomers if you wanna get started, or if you’ve got any questions you want answering

[glass granite]

Monk! I love monks.

[vale sage]

Ok nice

[west sail]

None of you here in the community live in TN do you

[mossy pumice]

TX

[west sail]

Well at least you all have that live d&d adventure attraction there

[mossy pumice]

its great for the little ones

[glacial pulsar]

also this quote is mine now YOINK

[twilit summit]

Hey, does anybody know what's the best channel to show my race tier-list?

[mossy pumice]

someone just took 1d6 Psychic damage

[fossil hollow]

what

[mossy pumice]

like a list of your opinion of best races?

[twilit summit]

Of how much I am interested in playing each of them

[mossy pumice]

maybe character discussion

[twilit summit]

Thanks

[twilit summit]

At least didn't roll 7-8 on 1d100

[twilit summit]

Can't send pictures there

[wet gale]

Hi

[cinder timber]

Hello

[wet gale]

Can monk class has a flavor attack which basically has a character be so fast like blitzing?(with a sword) or no? (I’m still inexperienced with dnd)

[knotty pasture]

Sure but the final damage output won't change

[glacial pulsar]

Flavor is free! You can describe your character doing that 😄

[glass granite]

Sure, but it’d just be flavour
Kensei monk is perfect for that tho

[wet gale]

That’s fine (you may not know this cause I wanted to base a character with monk from a game called limbus company and I kinda wanted to play as a Mao branch Heishou)

[glacial pulsar]

honestly Steel Wind Strike is basically a speed blitz attack

you could do BA disengage or take Speedy/Mobile to speedblitz as a monk too

[wet gale]

Close enough

[glacial pulsar]

you know what, might give steel wind strike to monks as a homebrew idea

[fossil hollow]

i hear that spell used to be a monk thing

[wet gale]

Oof

[humble cairn]

Can you describe the abilities you want for this character without using class names or names from the series?

[glacial pulsar]

its coming back home then

[wet gale]

Well the Mao heishou from Limbus is all about being fast and blitzing with their blades(since they are based form hare’s)

Other than that(or porbably too op) is applying deathrite fissure stack effect which drained would rupture on the target and gives the Mao more speed

Just basing from it, I want to tune it a little

[humble cairn]

Uhh remember when I said not to use names of abilities? It would help us who are not familiar with the series if you can describe the ability in terms of what it does rather than the name. I have no clue what a "deathrite fissure" is.

There is a playable hare species, the Harengon.

If you want to get a lot of attacks with swords, Fighter isn't a bad choice.

[wet gale]

Whoops sorry, I just wanted the abilites for the character is gaining speed and being able to blitz across the field to cut through and slash all in their way(that’s just about it, sorry for the confusion)

I’m not yet familiar with other classes yet but I would like to know more of them from you guys and integrate what I can

[glass granite]

This sounds like it should be in #character-discussion

[knotty pasture]

Give the other classes a quick read

[wet gale]

Sure thing

[glass granite]

Sounds like a Kensei monk with the charger and mobile/speedy feat somehow

[wet gale]

I checked it out, it looked like a discussing their own characters with their own lore (I’m just trying to figure out if there’s a class that could be fast)

[glacial pulsar]

this is why martials needs to be buffed, you can easily do this with SWS, you gotta take potentially 2 feats or a subclass to do this 😭

[glass granite]

If it’s character related and not homebrewing, it usually goes there. Including mechanics

[wet gale]

Sure thing

[empty thicket]

What?

Care to explain pleasE?

[glacial pulsar]

What are you confused about?

[empty thicket]

Martials need buffs?

Example subject, Fighter.

[glacial pulsar]

Yes absolutely

[empty thicket]

How would do it? More extra attacks, stats?

[glacial pulsar]

Wotc did martials dirty, kind of a let down in 2024 they didn't do anymore

[knotty pasture]

Martials vs spellcasters debate

[glacial pulsar]

I know this again?? What an original topic

[empty thicket]

na, i dont think it will go for that side

[knotty pasture]

Maybe gap closing abilities is what we need for martials

[empty thicket]

Maybe it go for a "give one more Stats up to some martial classes" and that it is.
Wont deny 1/2more speed

From 40 to 60

[tribal night]

I love women

[humble cairn]

There's a few ways to have a fast swords character. A Ranger with Zephyr Strike even has a way to represent acceleration causing more damage.

[empty thicket]

Me too, they have +5 persuasion if they speak me nice

[humble cairn]

Can we stay on the topic of D&D, please?

[tribal night]

I just use the eye of truth, to detect how evil they are.

[empty thicket]

A bard with swords and haste
A rogue with misty step

[tribal night]

Sorry, my Autism got in the way

[empty thicket]

But yeah, X upgrade of speed or making dext affect more the speed would be nice

[humble cairn]

I don't really understand, but please don't explain.

[glacial pulsar]

Honestly I'd say you need a rework of the martial core class abilities to keep in line with spellcasters
I'd say A5e and Laserllama's alternate classes were game-changers for me

[tribal night]

I love multiclassing, idc if it sucks I love it

[knotty pasture]

Its great

[empty thicket]

im thinking of doing that but it would sacrifice some really powerful upgrades like reaching closer to the 3 attacks per turn

[glass granite]

It’s great if you know what you’re doing, imo

[knotty pasture]

Just that the worst builds also come from multiclassing

[tribal night]

Monk warlock rogue

[glass granite]

dies a lil inside

[glacial pulsar]

Kind of how like battlemaster manuevers were meant to be for the fighter's core class but they made it a subclass because they wanted to make a beginner easy class

[empty thicket]

Upgrade some numbers maybe? make some martial weapons better

[tribal night]

Pfft screw synergy!

[glass granite]

Tbh as long as the ability scores aren’t atrocious I won’t hate on it

[tribal night]

In custom campaigns, multiclassing becomes much easier thankfully

Then again why not use the custom classes?

[glass granite]

Cuz that’s not synergy, it’s just not being a detriment

[empty thicket]

read one time about gestalt campaigns, sound funny

[empty thicket]

Rarely are "balanced" or have useless things.
You would need a whole team of people behind balancing it properly

[tribal night]

Ah fair, I mainly go monk and warlock, it's managable

[knotty pasture]

That's one weird combo

[tribal night]

True

[red steppe]

Dont do it on Tier 1 tho

[tribal night]

Obviously, I would be making my life hell at the start

[empty thicket]

Making that any martial can use maneuvers but if you are battle master you can do them with a lot of ADV and even effects?

[tribal night]

I have an evil boss idea

[empty thicket]

Would need being able to use a the whole set of martial weapons or make it a feature that some classes get it

[tribal night]

V1, if you're not faster than him then he takes no damage from any attacks, fire and ice effects speed him up

[glacial pulsar]

Sure, but you're still not addressing the root problem on why spellcasters by default are just better then martials in every way.
I'm not going to get into it because it's past midnight already. You should look up the famous martial vs spellcasters debate on your own time.

[tribal night]

He deals more damage for each living party member

Including summons

[empty thicket]

V1, use 2 of his 6 weapons per turn, 2 attacks and lots of AC but low HP. Heal damage dealt and can use legendary resistance but make him stay quiet for 1 turn (0speed)

[red steppe]

If hes first in the initiative, he gets bugbear's extra damage but times two

[tribal night]

He gets an additional action per turn depending on his speed, up to a maximum of 5 actions

[empty thicket]

Oh dont worry, im aware of such debate because i saw it here and had it with myself sometimes.
I think of it like
Casters = Area of damage//heals//buffs
Martials = Duelist

[tribal night]

Custom campaigns are so hilarious, everything is so overtuned to make the fights actually fair

[red steppe]

Replace 5e martials with the ones in Exalted or Pathfinder 2e

[empty thicket]

Gets a legendary attack that is the railcannon every X turns, in theory, 3 turns.
Can make combinations with weapons, being aware of his rotations would be the key

[empty thicket]

idk how are those there. But its just something that must be seen properly and im tired for it

[tribal night]

When defeated, he drops a coin pouch, arsenal wings, and a camerahead

[red steppe]

Free flight?

[tribal night]

Nah V1's wings are fat

She stuffs her weapons in there

[empty thicket]

The coin pouch is okey, after X time you get X number of coins for free.
Wings could work like in the game, a bag of holding.
Idk, make that it give you a chest armor that let you heal part of the damage dealt to enemies (1/5 of the damage)

[tribal night]

Camerahead will be useful for an upcoming boss, freddy fazbear

[empty thicket]

Or make a campaign that in some point your party get TPK and then by the gods fun they give you the chance of escape hell.
Reverse dantes inferno

[tribal night]

What's your favorite kind of custom campaign?

[red steppe]

You mean Freddy Frickboy?

[empty thicket]

idk, im giga new. I will try someday Dm a darkest dungeon campaign

[tribal night]

I love ones that heavily overtunes everything to make things more chaotic

[red steppe]

Imagine a campaign where Dante and Vergil appears as a crossover

[empty thicket]

But in general, i will try to give some freedom in actions to the players, if they are willing to experiment too

[tribal night]

Oh monk can hit enemies 12 times? Oh enemies have four turns

[tribal night]

Anything is possible since people can screw around in custom campaigns

[red steppe]

Curse of Strahd featuring Richter from the Castlevania series with Knuckles

[tribal night]

I always ask if I can add Miku everytime

Miku is just a really op Bard

[red steppe]

18th level Bard

[tribal night]

Bard Miku, I wonder if theres fanart of that

Omg there is, peak

[tribal night]

Bard Miku carries 🗣️

[empty thicket]

too overtuned lead into too much chaos

i would like one more calm, easy to follow up and kind. It will have his harsh moments but that will give the players a sensation of danger and success

[tribal night]

Yeah, I want it to build up, so people can understand the new mechanics and adjust to the increase of chaos

[red steppe]

Chaotic Tier 4s sound fun

[tribal night]

So the powercreep doesn't feel so sudden

No matter what campaign, I always ask "Can I recruit Bard Miku?"

I just really want Miku in every campaign I'm in

Random character idea; Asian Bard

This Bard was forced to become the best, so their stats are extremely high

[empty thicket]

Isnt random, can use Asian instruments and stuff. Be more about persuasion instead of flirting and that it is.

[empty thicket]

but if it fail it get into a mental crisis and is stunned one turn

[red steppe]

They permanently have 1 level of exhaustion cuz of dealing expectations and overworking

[tribal night]

The drawback is they will use any class other than bard, so you have to use skills that benefits from bard related stats

[tribal night]

Creativity does the stupidest things

Thats why I love playing worldbox god simulator

[empty thicket]

each dice lower than half give half level of exhaustion extra. Example, a d20 and it get a 10, boom, half ext

[red steppe]

They also start losing the drawbacks once they start switching careers lmao

[empty thicket]

Until they find a class that is what they really want so there is no more drawback

[scarlet spire]

Hello guys

[twilit summit]

Freddy Fazbear bard

Wait a minute... Freddy Fazbard

[old sluice]

So a bard that murders people?

And wears a silly suit.

[slow lantern]

are there any campaigns or westmarches where paid content is already the GM's thing and you just have to download it?

I think that was a thing back when I played DnD

cause I think if not I'm forced to pretty much pay for an unnecessary amount of books when I just want a part of the pie

[fair summit]

Most sources tend to allow a DM to share their content, though it also usually requires some form of subscription on the DMs part

[dense nacelle]

Is there anything specifically stopping me from using my familiar to just assassinate people?

Because chill touch is a touch cantrip, I can just… do it

If someone is asleep I can auto-crit them with chill touch, dealing 2d10 necrotic damage to start, at only 5th level that’s 4d10 necrotic damage upon someone who is next to defenseless

If I wanted to be even more evil I could bestow curse, and deal an extra 2d8 necrotic damage on top of that

[pliant sapphire]

Correct, but why 😂

[dense nacelle]

In a more covert campaign with less than lawful characters, it’s a really easy tactic to assassinate someone

[tame estuary]

5 damage

[dense nacelle]

Have your familiar be something like a spider so it is incredibly stealthy and can hide essentially anywhere

[pliant sapphire]

Yeah, a very low CR creature can die

[dense nacelle]

I’m talking about people twin

[tame estuary]

looks doable

targets you wanna assassinate are most likely not going to be CR0 nobodies though

[dense nacelle]

Even if you low roll damage, just have the spider hide and there is literally no trace back to you

If you don’t hit, they don’t wake up

[pliant sapphire]

Imp/Quasit for invisivility

[tame estuary]

me making the imp familiar fill the room with kerosine

[humble cairn]

People are creatures.

[tame estuary]

yeah just assemble a bomb inside the room, advantage on stealth due to invisibility

see how many times you can fill the room with oil before exploding it

[dense nacelle]

Can imps be familiars?

[tame estuary]

takes 1 level in warlock

[pliant sapphire]

With warlock pact of the chain, yes

[dense nacelle]

Ah

I’m thinking an arcane trickster rogue who’s using mage-hand legerdmain to pickpocket, and maybe even reverse-pickpocketing.

Reverse pickpocket your spider familiar into their pocket

[tame estuary]

and then explode

[dense nacelle]

Cast delayed blast fireball through your familliar

[tame estuary]

circle magic

[dense nacelle]

Dear god

Honestly like the best use of familiars is healing in 2024, cure wounds is so good that giving the tank your familiar and just casting cure wounds when needed is a great strategy, or if your familiar has a better initiative than you you can move it across the battlefield to heal teammates better

[tame estuary]

dies to one aoe

familiars are best used outside of combat as the pet they are imo

[dense nacelle]

I mean yeah, but worst case scenario summon it again

[tame estuary]

it costs 1 minute I think, unless warlock

[dense nacelle]

If you ritual cast it it takes an hour, if you use the spell slot it takes an action

[jagged vigil]

So, I'm a big fan of guest players, just in general. I have a lot of fun with that. Have you guys ever considered a guest DM? Someone new coming in and shaking things up, maybe for a quest? I've been DMing for 11 years and have just never considered this

[tame estuary]

no, casting time is 1 hour, ritual for 10 minutes. just checked

[old sluice]

I like giving familiars the magic items nobody is using. Especially those that require attunement.

[jagged vigil]

10 minutes plus casting time

70 min

[tame estuary]

only people I trust

DMing and just overseeing them be in a random table is a commitment

as a player it's easier to reign your expectations ans do what everyone else is doing, as a DM if your players aren't vibing for the session, they are not going to like the rest. unless this is a oneshot

[dense nacelle]

I don’t really like the idea of something being around for the sake of it, which is why I think familiars need to be heavily roleplay or combat utility oriented

[tame estuary]

having a pet is a big deal to your character though

[dense nacelle]

What’s the purpose of learning a spell to summon a magical manifestation of your will, only to have it sit at your leg and purr

[tame estuary]

to do stuff with?

[dense nacelle]

A familiar is, by design, an extension of the caster, not an entity in it of itself

[tame estuary]

try to hand an npc your familiar, see how they react

I'm not saying they have no value, I'm just saying that one aoe kills them

so don't put them in combat unless it's for alert feat

[dense nacelle]

Smart positioning can get around it

[tame estuary]

you were trying to use your familiar for ranged healing

[dense nacelle]

Yes

Still something that is perfectly viable

[tame estuary]

yeah

and it dies in 1 hit or one aoe, too fragile to build around

but I guess it can buy you like 2 rounds on the backline

[dense nacelle]

Potentially have it flying in the air, swooping down to heal if need be, but most of the time being comfortably out of the blast of an AOE

[tame estuary]

oh that's fun

[dense nacelle]

And if it’s flying ranged attacks have disadvantage

[tame estuary]

no?

[pliant sapphire]

owl can be used in combat for help action or the touch mechanic. 60ft movement, fly and flyby

[humble cairn]

Is it invisible or did it take the Dodge Action?

[pliant sapphire]

And imp/quasit too (invisible)

[tame estuary]

owl has flyby which means they don't trigger attack of opportunity

[old sluice]

Those are all well and good. But neither invisibility nor flyby protect from a fireball.

[tame estuary]

that's what I'm saying

[old sluice]

Or a cone of cold for that matter.

[dense nacelle]

That’s why the 60 ft of movement is important

[pliant sapphire]

Owl can just fly away in his turn

[dense nacelle]

Use 30 to get in, use 30 to get out

[old sluice]

In fact fireball has become one of the main tricks I use to deal with hiding and invisible creatures. I don't need to know where they are if I just blast their general direction

[tame estuary]

I would fireball on that owl

less on the action economy

[old sluice]

Also another thing you should know: Flying creatures are forced to land during strong winds.

It will not often be relevant but it is good to take into account

[dense nacelle]

So you’d rather cast a high level spell to guarantee a flying 2d8 healing bird dies than to actually attack your enemies

[tame estuary]

sometimes it just feels like when the build is surrounded around a summon, it's like you're trying to abuse it and you expect a certain outcome from it you know?

I don't really like summon builds for this reason

[dense nacelle]

The build isn’t circled around it

[old sluice]

Considering that this high level spell will hit more than the bird, yes.

[tame estuary]

yes

[old sluice]

The problem is that if there is a flying healing bot going around, none of my enemies will stay down. I need to guarantee that when someone is down, they will stay down.

[dense nacelle]

There’s better healing summons anyway, but a wizard can take magic initiate cleric to get cure wounds and become a decent healer from range in a pinch

[tame estuary]

you can try

[old sluice]

Of course it is a good tactic in a pinch

[knotty pasture]

I personally didn't see it that way, but I would be lying if I said I haven't made a wall before that consists of four zombies and two eagles

It is very funny seeing the enemy break fast my makeshift wall

[old sluice]

But ideally, you should not be using healing spells and abilities in combat at all

[dense nacelle]

?????

[tame estuary]

ideally you heal when the combat is over, as a wizard

[dense nacelle]

Yeah, if you’re in very low danger combat

[old sluice]

Did you not know that? It's one of the basics of D&D tactics. If you are using heals in combat, it's only because someone is downed.

That is most likely the only situation where using your action or bonus action for healing is not worthless

[dense nacelle]

You do know that while downed, someone loses their turn, right?

Like their whole turn is just gone

[tame estuary]

bonus action to use a potion?

[old sluice]

Yes. So what?

[tame estuary]

bonus action to tell the familiar to chug the potion onto the downed

[old sluice]

This is indeed why you should use your healing when someone is downed. But not in other circumstances

[knotty pasture]

Yeah healing word only exists as a ranged revive to help someone from being downed

[humble cairn]

Healing almost can never keep up with damage, the whole party should be trying not to get downed.

[tame estuary]

anyhow, it's not really broken. you're using a spell slot for that, but that spell slot might have been better saved for somethung else

[knotty pasture]

Outside of healbot builds, which aren't really that good anyways, healing ain't it

[old sluice]

But a fight that goes well is a fight where nobody was at 0. And therefore no healing was used

[dense nacelle]

If you’ve multiple people low you’re well better off using healing to ensure the party can still deal damage on their turns than just saying “I’m going to use my action to uhh maybe hit this guy in front of me”

[tame estuary]

if you're a wizard, you're the damage dealer with your spell slot you're going to use for that cure wounds

[old sluice]

No. Healing does not keep up with damage. Whatever you're healing, it will be less than will be dealt and the person who was low will likely go down anyways.

[subtle orchid]

i discovered this very quickly

[knotty pasture]

I'd still just attack or simply use crowd control to disable the enemy instead and stop them from punching our team

[tame estuary]

also like, why go through all this? just pick healing word

[old sluice]

Focusing on eliminating the threat in that situation is a more important priority.

[knotty pasture]

If your team is this wounded, just short rest after the fight

You most likely aren't going to be teamwiped, and if you are no amount of healing in a turn could have saved you in that situation anyways

[subtle orchid]

having healing as backup is good tho

[dense nacelle]

If there is an “after the fight”, you all talk as if your combat has 0 threat whatsoever

[old sluice]

That's the trick. Don't heal people that are low when in combat. Heal the ones who are down. Or kill the ones who risk making them go down.

[tame estuary]

generally you will be alive after most combat yes

[old sluice]

If this is a fight going so disastrously that defeat is inevitable, do not heal. Retreat.

[tame estuary]

healing 2d4 won't really do that much

it lets you take 1 more hit at most

[humble cairn]

Drop Darkness on your allies so they can retreat without OA.

[old sluice]

2d4 is five hit points. If someone was low enough that they might go down, they will still be low enough that they might go down after those five hit points.

[tame estuary]

best used when they're actually down

[knotty pasture]

Quoting myself:

"... and if you are (in a pinch) no amount of healing in a turn could have saved you in that situation anyways"

[tame estuary]

it's likely that the familiar dies before anyone goes down too, from my experience

[analog phoenix]

What about mass healing spells?

[knotty pasture]

Mass healing word doesn't heal that much iirc

[tame estuary]

at the tier you get them it doesn't do that much

[knotty pasture]

Like +10 hp per person is good enough to save you from being burned to death I guess

[old sluice]

If you truly want something that prevents people from being down there's death ward.

[tame estuary]

isn't shield a touch spell?

[old sluice]

At the mid to high level, I try to make sure the party gets death warded.

[dense nacelle]

Honestly for a mass healing spell you’re better off taking aid over mass healing word

[old sluice]

What? No, it only affects the caster

Unless I am misunderstanding the question

[tame estuary]

dang

[dense nacelle]

It states when you are hit

[pliant sapphire]

Its a Self spell

[dense nacelle]

Who, realistically, would you want to cast shield on, other than yourself?

[humble cairn]

Mage Armor, on the other hand, is touch ranged and can be cast on other people.

[dense nacelle]

That is true

[old sluice]

A fellow PC concentrating on an important spell.

[tame estuary]

having a familiar be an extension for the first few rounds of battle is a good idea though, just expect them to keep dying and you need to spend an hour each time, and also don't expect them to do anything game breaking

[old sluice]

I got into a few fights where everything depended on our ability to keep concentration on a single spell.

[tame estuary]

if you put a magic item on them, as a DM I will curse the magic item

[dense nacelle]

I don’t think familiars should be able to have magic items twin

[analog phoenix]

Can they even attune to them?

[old sluice]

I think they should. They are creatures, creatures can use and attune to magic items.

[red steppe]

Remove Curse

[tame estuary]

dang

[old sluice]

I have no issue with familiars attuning to magic items

[analog phoenix]

The dm says Nuh uh

[tame estuary]

find steed not being a spell is probably because of this though

[red steppe]

Just make it so that the magic item becomes abit worse without the curse

[tame estuary]

you can make your horse cast find steed with a ring of spellstoring

infinite horses

[dense nacelle]

Actually

Familiars are spirits, not creatures

[red steppe]

Finally, horse ladder

[old sluice]

Spirits are creatures

[tame estuary]

a billion lions vs vecna? more likely than you think

[old sluice]

Actually no. Horses can't equip a ring of spellstoring

[dense nacelle]

A billion lions is a lot of lions

[old sluice]

Vecna.

[tame estuary]

no but like a billion is a lot though

[analog phoenix]

Wait doesn’t remove curse say that the cursed item keeps the curse it’s just the individual isn’t cursed anymore

[red steppe]

His statblock unironically loses to the lions cuz of how weak it is in comparison to other CR 20+ monsters

[old sluice]

So what? A few of them get into melee range turn one, deal their attacks, some even manage to miraculously hit, turn 1 ends with Vecna still alive, Vecna casts fly, blasts the lions from altitude.

[dense nacelle]

Actually

[old sluice]

It takes him a long time, but they're all dead

[red steppe]

Oh yea true

[dense nacelle]

Lions can’t deal damage to Vecna

[humble cairn]

Find Steed is a spell, though?

[dense nacelle]

I’ll give vecna this one

Vecna got lucky.

[old sluice]

Oh wait, no, he doesn't even take damage.

But even without his immunity, he would still win

[red steppe]

I forgot he can cast Fly but if he's in an enclosed space like a dungeon, the lions will eventually get him (cant fly forever)

[dense nacelle]

Eh, I think in the time it would take Vecna to kill all the lions there would be more lions

[red steppe]

Oh dammit, i forgot about his immunities

[dense nacelle]

Oh yeah, doesn’t fly have a time limit

[old sluice]

Dimension door. Invisibility. Globe of invulnerability. He leaves the enclosed space and blasts them from altitude

[red steppe]

Concentration, 10 minutes

[dense nacelle]

Vecna dies by continually casting fly and plummeting to the ground over and over and dying to fall damage

[tame estuary]

no way, it still works?

[dense nacelle]

That is 26 billion HP from the lions

[knotty pasture]

Re:Healing -- The only healing spell that is worth casting is Heal, a level 6 spell

Cuz the health healed can actually outheal most damage taken from a single source in a turn

[dense nacelle]

Vs the 272 hp from Vecna

[tame estuary]

lion ladder

[red steppe]

I mean if its an enclosed space to begin with, it'd just be a successful escape

[old sluice]

So what? He's immune to all the damage they can do.

[tame estuary]

suffocating damage

[analog phoenix]

Tbh at that point I’d rather cast a high damaging spell

[red steppe]

Yea true

[dense nacelle]

Lion ladder

[old sluice]

Yes a successful escape followed by the death of those lions, a successful murder

[old sluice]

Doesn't need to breathe

[tame estuary]

dang, I think the lions are losing this one

[old sluice]

Of course they are, it's not even close

[dense nacelle]

Also, very important

Vecna wouldn’t gain any abilities back at the start of a new day

Because constant lion

[tame estuary]

wait no, the "lion" in this scenario is the find steed summon right?

[analog phoenix]

Doesn’t he also just come back after a bit when he dies?

[old sluice]

It doesn't matter. He casts lightning bolt at will. He can keep doing this all day. All week. All month.

[remote wadi]

Is it just me, or do flails seems a little underwhelming?

[dense nacelle]

I’m just using the lion statblock

[old sluice]

One lightning bolt every round for years. Killing multiple lions every time.

[tame estuary]

a billion is a lot though

[craggy cairn]

Undead warlocks have a point where they no longer require food water or air

[dense nacelle]

Okay okay

A billion lions vs tiamat

[craggy cairn]

Pretty sure 6th level

[humble cairn]

What works? Infinite steeds? If you cast the spell again the first steed disappears.

[old sluice]

It could be an infinity of lions and it would not make a difference.

[dense nacelle]

Why is everything immune to physical damage from nonmagical sources

[analog phoenix]

Cause then they wouldn’t feel like boss monsters

[humble cairn]

Didn't that go away with 2024?