dnd-discussion

[reef tundra]

Hmmm, could be a good warlock subclass

[feral finch]

I have watched a few dnd games though and it looked very cool

[reef tundra]

I just chose the name based off of the new arch hag in my setting, the Hag of the Astral Night

[inner silo]

Btw, i finally did my first session 0 with my friends and we agreed to have our first game in two weeks

[reef tundra]

It is my favourite game, it is so fun with the right group

[reef tundra]

Hooray!

[inner silo]

Arch hags are cool (yes i watch pointy hat)

[feral finch]

In the session I watched my friends encountered a group of orcs

[inner silo]

Thanks! Now i just need to make Lost Mines of Phandelver a rp leaning campaign

It's going to be fun

[glass granite]

Maybe you’ll do some monster slayin’ of your own

[feral finch]

They then got beaten up until they were 1 hp

[inner silo]

The players or the orcs?

[marble lion]

The players

[reef tundra]

Hehe same

[inner silo]

I see. Well, big W for the orcs!

[inner silo]

What cr are Arch Hags?

[reef tundra]

21, as powerful as a Lich

But my arch hag of the astral night pushes it to 24

[marble lion]

Damn that old hag

[inner silo]

Dam. Ig they're a bit too strong to add to LMoP

[marble lion]

Yes

[jovial badger]

hi

[inner silo]

Scary

[reef tundra]

Or I can just use the regular arch hah stat block for him (yes, boy hag)

[untold hatch]

Hi chat!

[inner silo]

Hello

[reef tundra]

Very much so

[marble lion]

Unless you add one that doesnt fight the party

The only problem there is that some parties might attack her due to moral compulsion

[jovial badger]

hewwo

[inner silo]

Ig i have a chef warlock in my party, might suggest them the arch hag patron

[marble lion]

If you made it clear theyd die and could come back later in a sequel oneshot or something

[reef tundra]

I had a friendly arch hag in a campaign, the players didn’t attack but that’s because I conveyed that she was on their side

[marble lion]

Or keep the hag status secret til its too late to fight her

There are definitely ways of doing this

[reef tundra]

Agreed

[inner silo]

Making a friendly lich next

[marble lion]

Hags are pretty complex creatures so keeping them out of combat shouldnt be too hard

[gaunt roost]

hag on their side

as if that was ever the case

[marble lion]

Just keep in mind theyre absolutely horribly evil in official fr stuff

Homebrew may change that

[gaunt roost]

I see you there, hagvocate, trying to claim that those Poor, unfortunate souls made just deals with no fine print

[inner silo]

Yeah, they eat souls, bad liches

[marble lion]

I meant hags

[glass granite]

Nom?

[night glen]

hello

[reef tundra]

To be fair she was on her own side, she was just benefitting from a deal she made with one side

[inner silo]

Ah. What bad do they do?

[marble lion]

Liches are fine

[reef tundra]

They are…. Pure evil

[glass granite]

Gooood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup

[marble lion]

They crave suffering

They hunger for suffering the more vicious and cruel the better its really bad

Hags may be one of the most evil things in fr

[inner silo]

Hag masochist when

[reef tundra]

Agreed

[gaunt roost]

hags dont eat souls as far as I know, but they certainly love causing misery in their deals.

You want your hubby back? Have this fresh zombie. You want to have a child? This one is just 2 years old! A fresh one? Certainly. You are now mpreg with something. You want to be happy? No worries, lobotomy is not a new concept in this realm!

[marble lion]

Hag masochist is possible i guess but theyd still pursue others suffering. Maybe theyd torture people mentally by forcing them to torture the hagself

Depths of depravity here

[jovial badger]

😄

[night glen]

i have one question, i dont really understand story like if u got this books do u need to make story from this book or how is it working?

[marble lion]

1 hag turns into loved one of target
2 hag forces target to torture hag in that form, not revealing their true nature
3 profit

[inner silo]

Are archfey also evil?

[gaunt roost]

I mean, technically speaking all hags are somewhat masochistic. They, as all fae, cant really die under normal circumstances. So they fully expect to be murdered for their actions sooner or later, its part of the fun for them. Sometimes inconvenient, but never permanent

[marble lion]

Fey are weird

[reef tundra]

If you got a campaign book about a specific story, then you run the story provided in the campaign book, but you can just get the core rulebooks to know the rules and run your own story

[marble lion]

Fey are definitely dangerous but i think in general archfeys are somewhat good?

I think of them as
1 dont cross them
2 make deals very carefully

[gaunt roost]

Seelie ones arent, Unseelie definetly are, all will screw you over for a prank though. Think like they have no empathy and understanding of the human condition, evne the best among them. Then realize that its probably fun to take someones feet and replace them with ice cream cones and see them hobble about

[marble lion]

Theyre just quirky

[night glen]

but if for example in book says there are smth then dm can do a new story and say that there is nothing or how?

[inner silo]

I see

[marble lion]

Maybe theyre like toddlers who dont get morality yet

[feral finch]

It was the players that got beaten up

[inner silo]

What about an archfeywild myconid?

[gaunt roost]

A fey would totally replace your "boring" parts with more "fun" ones without thinking about body horror. THey take names because they cannot name things themselves and are fascinated by the power those carry (in most mythologies anyways)

[inner silo]

Do you think human morality could be explained to a fey?

[gaunt roost]

explained? Yes, of course. Understood, no, thats not how their minds work

[glass granite]

Explained? Yes.
OK ZAPPY THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY
Edit: too much caps apologies

[inner silo]

Lmao

[feral finch]

My friends were so weak that they got beaten by 4 orcs

[gaunt roost]

Guess I... stole your line. Dont worry, Im not in your head

[glass granite]

Double checks internally

[inner silo]

Aren't 4 orcs like a cr 3 encounter?

[marble lion]

Zappy is a fey. Zappy will torment you now

[gaunt roost]

tbf most people get beaten up when 4 other people gang up on them

[marble lion]

4 orcs is a strong fight if youre low level

[inner silo]

I feel like if fey lived between us we wouldn't even know tbh

[gaunt roost]

I know for certain they would be on the internet

[feral finch]

Idk even know lol

I’m bad at the game

[inner silo]

Yes, they

[burnt valley]

4 orcs at lvl 2 party is wild

[glass granite]

Hi bad at the game I’m Nugget

[inner silo]

It's fr a tough fight unless you have a ranger

[inner silo]

You've been waiting, haven't you

[glass granite]

Mayhaps

[inner silo]

I'm waiting for my game rn and realised i forgot my mini

[reef tundra]

I’ll be honest I can’t understand what you’re saying

[inner silo]

The book has a certain story in it but the dm can change it as they want as long as it doesn't cross any player boundaries

[hot gate]

You can look at the book as a framework. You can use it as long as it's useful to you and make changes when it's necessary for your story.

[marble lion]

Books are written for you. If you want to stray from them, do it

[inner silo]

After all what is a book if not a tool for the dm to use

[storm crow]

How would you incorporate a pseudo vampiric curse into a PC without them outright being a vampire/dhampir?

[marble lion]

Make my own i guess

[storm crow]

Keyword here is “curse”

[gaunt roost]

Lets see, I dont see new orcs in MM24 so I am going by the MM14 which is also the lowest CR Orc in the book, those guys deal 1d12+3 damage. Thats a max of 15 damage at level 2, where wiz/sor will usually max out at about 14-16 HP. Add in like 2 bad rolls on the PC side and a crit on the orc side for up to 27 damage (Barb would usually have around 25 HP) and you can certainly see how easily those orcs can take down a party of level 2 if they use their aggressive charge in

[night glen]

ok ty

[feral finch]

How do I make my own character

[inner silo]

They just get kinda uncomfortable when sniffing garlic and when out in the sun and they're a little better at climbing walls, talking with bats and dramatically billowing their cloaks and their fangs are a bit longer

[vital swallow]

Hey guys I’m new to D&D entirely

[storm crow]

I was wondering if I should take darkvision from custom lineage but I felt it’d be out of place

[marble lion]

Id probably go all out with the sun thing if the campaign allows for that

[burnt valley]

hell on earth if its an enclosed space

[vital swallow]

Is D&D beyond a good app to purchase?

[marble lion]

Its meant to be a curse. Make it hurt

[inner silo]

Fr

[storm crow]

out of place as in, a clear optimization tactic I do not wish to employ at this time (I’m playing a Human, 2024)

[inner silo]

And make them a shadow monk

[hot gate]

It's a great convenience. Though it's important to note that you're purchasing a license to access content and may thus at some point lose said access.

[storm crow]

I had an idea of them perhaps turning into something like a vampire during a full moon or blood moon but that idea doesn’t stick very well in my head

[glass granite]

Hallo! Check out #dnd-newcomers if you need any help with the rules

[vital swallow]

Yeah I just found it thanks

[burnt valley]

isn't that werewolf's schtick?

[gaunt roost]

simply speaking, even without crits or bad rolls, if the orcs play smart and attack one guy at a time, they will likely outdamage the party easily (average 9,5 per hit, 2-3 hits bringing down any party, meaning 1 dead guy per turn, meanwhile party needs to deal 15 per orc, vicious mockery deals 2,5, firebolt 5,5 and weapon attack 7,5, also 3 people for 1 orc on average). Its basically a coin toss and heavily dependant on init and range if going full frontal in your face

[storm crow]

Yeah exactly why it didn’t stick lime scout tf2

[inner silo]

I picked up rimes binding ice right before the last game. Guess who we were fighting

[burnt valley]

Ice trolls

[storm crow]

Sorry I didn’t mean to call you by your full name there

[inner silo]

Fire elementals

[burnt valley]

No worries lol

[inner silo]

This session it'll likely be spider riding dwarves though and my pc has arachnophobia so that's fun

[storm crow]

Ohhh

[gaunt roost]

I support traumatizing your PCs, its fun~

[storm crow]

Phobias are a great idea

What would be a good phobia for a doctor?

[gaunt roost]

I once had a warforged with a severe rust monster phobia. Couldnt be around anything crab related due to it. Once they explained it as "Imagine a thing that just wants to eat your insides!" the other party members felt less bad for them. Turns out having a phobia of your natural predator only gets you sympathy if they dont realize that its pretty normal

[marble lion]

Id say its way scarier in that case

Imagine a predator that slowly dissolves you

[gaunt roost]

Blood. If pathologist, living patients (they complain all the time). For a normal doc, literally anything vermin related. Nurses and hospitals are AFRAID of bedbugs and lice

[marble lion]

Humanoids dont have to deal with that. Only insects

I was gonna say rats

[storm crow]

A doctor with a fear of blood would be a bad doctor 😭

[gaunt roost]

they will eat a sandwich next to an ebola patient but if you come in with bedbug bites they will call out sick while in the next room

[storm crow]

Fear of vermin sounds pretty good though

[gaunt roost]

"BLOOD BELONGS ON THE INSIDE" they scream, as they stitch their patient up to make the bleeding stop

[storm crow]

I want to give my character a phobia for both roleplay and mechanical purposes

[marble lion]

If they witnessed a plague outbreak and lost patients in droves, maybe some family too, it would explain the phobia

[storm crow]

Does it make my character weaker and put a handicap on him? Yeah, but I’m playing in a party of new players and I’m experienced so

[marble lion]

And even explain their job choice if it happened precareer

[storm crow]

well the character’s lore was that his entire hometown/village fell to a mysterious plague/illness

I think having a fear of vermin because of that could make sense

[marble lion]

Then there you go, phobia of something suspected to be the cause

[storm crow]

His whole goal is to find the cure

Could also explain why he has specifically an owl as a familiar too lol since they hunt vermin

imma go with that actually

Though I’m unsure if that will be a fear of rodents or a fear of insects because both count as vermin

And I think having both rodents and insects as fears would be too broad

[gaunt roost]

Important! And a common misconception. Weaknesses and phobias and dislikes do not make a character weaker. That thinking usually leads to "I need to do everything" mentality. Having flaws actually makes your character stronger as you get a stronger, more rounded roleplay, and you or other people have to plan around your phobia, meaning people put more thought and planning into things. As long as you dont let yourself be completly stopped by hypotheticals, it can be great fun and efficient ("USE BURNING HANDS ON ME, I DONT CARE, BURN THEM ALL OFF OF MEEE")

[storm crow]

Well that was another reason

[gaunt roost]

I mean, rodents carry fleas and ticks

[vital swallow]

I just made my first character

[storm crow]

When I say weaker I meant in the way that no other character in the group has that mechanical shortcoming

But I think it’s fun to have something like that, it does add depth to the character and also make them more fun to play

[gaunt roost]

technically you are afraid of insects, but rodents can be insect carriers. Like germaphobes are afraid of pidgeons not because they are afraid of birds, but because of the potential diseases the bird carries (important: Pidgeons arent flying rats or disease carriers at all. 99.9% of the time a pidgeon facediving into your food will not have any actual sickness that can infect you. Most disheveld or sick looking pidgeons are that way because of malnutrition due to not having access to proper nutriments. They might have ticks though if they dont have enough friends)

[storm crow]

I might go with musophobia

I think that’s how you spell it? Idk it’s a fear of mice and rats

The disadvantage here would probably just be the frightened condition in sight, and roleplay wise he would not like to be around rats or mice

For a man who is so composed it’s funny to see him start trying to stab at rodents with his cane sword whenever one comes into sight

[glass granite]

Eldritch horrors? Easy work. Dragons? Pfft, wouldn’t bat an eye. Asmodeus himself? He’ll stare him down.

But one Mousey boi? Activate procedure Ragnarok, Protocol Z-Omega-BrokenArrow

[gaunt roost]

"I didnt know you HAD fireball" "I dont" "Then how did you-" "Molotov." "Do you mean alchemists fire?" "I do not, no." "And the target..." "Will never show its miserably whiskers ever again"

[storm crow]

Another option I considered

Phasmophobia

[tender pier]

Question, can molotov cocktails exist in fantasy worlds?

[storm crow]

Probably

It’s just very concentrated alcohol and a cloth, surprisingly easy to make

[gaunt roost]

Technically you can make molotovs with so many very easy to aquire things, but the most expensive component would probably be the glass bottle? Rags are easy to get (and you get people collecting them for a living), alcohol is a plenty in any part of the planet that has access to excess crops/Fruits. Glassblowing however is somewhat expensive. I guess you could use clay pots?

[storm crow]

I think Phasmophobia could still work for the character

If I consider his background/lifestyle

[glass granite]

Yes, I have them in my campaign

[storm crow]

He’s a plain old doctor, while he delves in magic and has good knowledge of it, there’s some things he has limited understanding of. Most likely, the divine would be one of them, and so would the afterlife, so the idea of ghosts would most likely scare him

Zero healing magic mind you, it’s all healer’s kits and potions around here

[blissful dragon]

i have a question for people do you think the xenomorphs from alien would be a monsterousity type, or aberration type?

[storm crow]

Monstrosity I believe?

[gaunt roost]

Monstrosity, they are creations of gene-engineering and weapon of war, not actually twisted by horrors beyond the veil

[blissful dragon]

monstorusity makes sense if the lore is they bio weapons though i think in some aliens media they are a natural creature from a death world

[stark arch]

i wonder when the dm says you have 1 day downtime would that be equel to exactly as 24 hours?? or more like having a day off from work. the moment you are off its ur free time til he next work day is planed day after tomorow ?

[blissful dragon]

one day is general 24 hours though you need to remember some of that is 8 hours of rest at least and what everr travel time you need to get places

[rough basalt]

Iirc 1 day of downtime work is 8 hours usually

Rest is spent screwing around then sleeping

[stark arch]

im skiping the long rest and get a short rest instead to recover my spell slot

[rough basalt]

You'll get an exhaustion point cause you didn't sleep

[stark arch]

that be fine for me

[blissful dragon]

you can ask the dm if you can spend more than the standard 8 hours on that day on a task

are you a book of moon warlock?

[stark arch]

no im a wizard and i need my time to prep my undead horde lol

[limber trail]

Your party might not share that optimism

[stark arch]

and i need to learn spells to

[burnt valley]

Just rest cast whatever spell you want to cast

[stark arch]

wel the party has there own downtime as wel? so i dont see the issue

[limber trail]

Oh it’s downtime I see

I mean either way, exhaustion is rough

[stark arch]

21 hours of needing to learn spells. 1 hour shopping. 2 hours staying at the local graveyard. 30 min acitivys 1 hour short rest another 30 min acititys

[limber trail]

Do you have 21 hours of spell learning planned out

[stark arch]

so im tryng to cramp as mutchas posible in 24 hours if we only get 1 day down time

walk on water lv3 150gp 6hr * Leomund's Tiny Hut lv3 150gp 6hr * Phantom Steed lv3 150gp 6hr * vampiric touch lv 3 150 gp 6hr / 75gp 3hr *

21 hours

the thing is first he says we get 7 days down time, now he says he throw a d10 to decide the down time so im planing to as mutch as posible in 24 hours if we only get 1 day down time

[nocturne sorrel]

Well I can't sleep.So I decided to join the discussion, entering with questions

How do you set your stats on your character Sheet? I know you roll your dice to help get the numbers, right?

[stark arch]

dm rolls them for us.

[nocturne sorrel]

Oh?

[stark arch]

as player we can decide where we put the scores

[nocturne sorrel]

Oh

Total noob question

?

[stark arch]

this downtime stuff gets my austistic brain working

[oak shoal]

Does glyph of warding sleep work as a get off me spell if you have fey ancestry?

[oak shoal]

4d6 and drop the lowest number

[nocturne sorrel]

Are rune traps a spell in D&D

So would this question be better in discussion or in world-Building?

How does one go about writing a campaign, like writing out the quest, putting side characters where

[glass granite]

#dm-discussion most likely

[nocturne sorrel]

Ah

[oak shoal]

Don't make side character that give out important details. Make important side roles instead in case the party doesn't like the person

[nocturne sorrel]

Side roles?

[glass granite]

Supporting

[nocturne sorrel]

Like characters that aren't the players, but join the players?

[oak shoal]

Yeah kinda

Temporary allies that are there for the sole purpose of giving important plot moving information

[nocturne sorrel]

I always wanted to (Try) write a campaign, where the players keep running into a character
"Scruffy the trapper"

[oak shoal]

I've got a plan for a recurring bad guy for my party once they beat the current bbeg

Remember even in death a bbeg can haunt the players

[nocturne sorrel]

My character always speaks in the third person, my time is still there and always tries to sell the players Something fur related, and finishes every sentence with "mm-hmm"

Example: " Can Scruffy interest you in this owlbear skin coat? One of scruffy's thumbs is the one of the buttons, mm-hmm"

What exactly is bbeg?

[reef tundra]

“Big bad evil guy”

[nocturne sorrel]

Ah

[reef tundra]

Just another way to say a villain

[nocturne sorrel]

Then why not just say villain?

[reef tundra]

🤷‍♀️

[nocturne sorrel]

Is that rude?

[reef tundra]

No

I rarely say it myself

Also because I pride myself on my villains being very morally grey

[nocturne sorrel]

I always like twisted villains, the kind of villains that represent that line that we're too afraid to cross

Examples: Dementus, Butch Cavendish, El Indio, Vaas,

[prime geyser]

Hi!

[reef tundra]

They sound interesting, shame I don’t know any of them

[glass granite]

Howdy!

[reef tundra]

-# Waiting for your chance?

[glass granite]

Nahhh

[reef tundra]

-.-

[glass granite]

How are ya?

[prime geyser]

I’m good! I’ve been recently trying to get into d&d

[glass granite]

Hi good, I’m Nugget!

To learn the game you should read up on the first few chapters of the free basic rules on #learn-to-play , and feel free to ask any questions you might have in #dnd-newcomers !

[nocturne sorrel]

Dementus is a mentally unstable post-apocalyptic bikerlord,

Butch cavendish is a cannibalistic mercenary gunslinger

Vaas, a sadistic gun runner,

[reef tundra]

They sound very cool

But I like the villains we can agree with, the villains we can see within ourselves

[glass granite]

I like both!

[reef tundra]

Variety is the spice of life, after all

[glass granite]

Tis it is

[nocturne sorrel]

I do like those types of villains as well

[limber trail]

There’s a few ways people do this. I would talk to your DM and get some guidance

[nocturne sorrel]

I like the types of villains that became the way they are, not because they wanted to, but because they had to

[glass granite]

?tag new abilities

[cosmic roost]

Abilities

All creatures have six abilities that measure physical and mental characteristics: Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma.

Each ability has a score from 1 to 20, which represents the magnitude of an ability. Each ability also has a modifier from -5 to +5, derived from its score. Add the modifier when you make a D20 Test with the corresponding ability or when a rule asks you to do so.

Determine your ability scores by using one of the following three methods. Your DM might prefer you to use a particular one.

• Standard Array. Use the following six scores for your abilities: 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8.
• Random Generation. Roll four d6s and record the total of the highest three dice. Do this five more times, so you have six numbers.
• Point Cost. You have 27 points to spend on your ability scores. The cost of each score is shown on the Ability Score Point Costs table. For example, a score of 14 costs 7 of your 27 points.

After assigning your ability scores, adjust them according to your background. Finally, determine your ability modifiers using the Ability Scores and Modifiers table. Write the modifier next to each of your scores.

[glass granite]

These are the main three stat generation methods

[limber trail]

I also saw someone mention their DMs roll stats for them - this isn’t the norm and usually DMs will have you roll stats, although it’s usually publicly done in view of at least the DM

[tender pier]

Wait we got bot commands here??

I didn't know the server had this

[glass granite]

Yes

Us folks in #dnd-newcomers use them a fair bit

[tender pier]

Well damn, let me get the command list for Dyno

If I had known that sooner...

[idle oar]

?tags new

[cosmic roost]

Category: new (30)

wizard, warlock, sorcerer, skills, sheet, roleplaying, rogue, ranger, proficiency, pbp, paladin, online, monk, levelup, hp, fighter, druid, dm, dice, demo, dc, d20, complexity, cleric, class, bg3, bard, barbarian, ac, abilities

Use ?tag [category] [name] to show a tag

[idle oar]

?tags ddb

[cosmic roost]

Category: ddb (8)

support, preorderbilling, missing, entitlements, contentsharing, claimexpired, claim, charity

Use ?tag [category] [name] to show a tag

[glass granite]

I’ve literally screenshotted this

It’s a lifesaver when dealing with newbies

Especially if I’m busy and need to get as much info as quickly as possible

[sleek coyote]

Is there a spear magic item where ur works like kratos drapnir where u can call it back and tp to ur hand after being trow?

[stuck shuttle]

There's a few thrown weapons that can return after being thrown. Most recently the '24 Artificer has the Returning Weapon magic item which can be a Javelin or Spear

[sleek coyote]

Is there a returning weopon magic item for fighter?

[stuck shuttle]

Magic items are normally class-agnostic. The Artificer simply can craft the magic item specifically and give it to you, otherwise you can craft it using the regular magic item crafting rules or purchase it if your DM has a vendor sell it

If you're a Fighter the easiest way would be to pick the Eldritch Knight subclass, since they can return their bonded weapon to their hand with a bonus action

[devout token]

hi, sorry this is such a big ask, but does anyone have a spare character sheet i can copy for a lvl 3 support? i'm usually dm-ing but have joined a group where i'm a player,annd domn't really have the time to properly put in the effort to make a character of my own

sorry again, any help would be appriciated

[sleek coyote]

Damn ic 🤔 thxs for info

[thin basin]

hey guys

i'm all new to the whole D&D world, sooooooo

[dusky venture]

Interesting

[humble cairn]

Welcome! Check out #learn-to-play and if you have beginner questions, the #dnd-newcomers channel is very helpful.

[thin basin]

arigatone

[rough basalt]

Still pondering what to do with my Friday time slot.

[reef tundra]

New campaign! New campaign!

[rough basalt]

That's one of the deliberations

Or rather all of them just a different flavor

Dunno if I wanna play, DM, or other system

[rough basalt]

Like part of me wants to play, but I also have several dm ideas.

[reef tundra]

Hmmmm, I say, play for a while

Give yourself a good break, even if you don’t need it

Meanwhile develop your DM ideas

[rough basalt]

Well my current dm ideas are two sort of political games and one deadly exploration one.

And one more lighthearted exploration one

But you're right, I should play instead

Tho by the time I'd find a game as a player I probably won't wanna play anymore

[tulip lava]

So this is looking unlikelier by the minute...

"2025
STICKERS
Jazz up maps with props, landscaping, and more

ANIMATED MAPS
Support for MP4 and WEBM maps with ambient animations

3D DICE
Roll 3D dice in Maps

REVEALS
Allow DMs to reveal custom art and handouts to players

CAMPAIGN CONSOLE
Create and manage your campaigns directly in Maps

RULES ASSISTANT
Ask rules questions and receive instant answers"

[rough basalt]

Huh?

[tulip lava]

These are announced features for Beyond Maps. We have 3 weeks left in the year and four of them don't look like they'll arrive on time

[rough basalt]

Ah.
Yeah.

Probably not

[fiery nimbus]

I honestly have no idea how does one make political game work in DnD

[rough basalt]

well idk if its the right term

[fiery nimbus]

is it something like Kingsmaker?

[umbral girder]

Menzobarrenzan sounding campaign

[cinder furnace]

Hey I’m new to Dnd and I’ve played as a player in the school club how do I Dm and make campaigns and stuff

I have the dragons of storm wreck isle starter set

A computer and some paper and dice and a pencil

[umbral girder]

Read the rules pamphlet once, then try and run the adventure 1-2 adventures at a time

If the players do something the book doesn’t account for, make something up!

[cinder furnace]

Which one is the rule pamphlet and how do I do the other stuff cause in the box it has two books dragons of storm aisle, which I think is like the story and all the monsters and then it says the starter set rulebook which is like a separate book

[fiery nimbus]

if you have a particular imagination, you can also make the players up

[umbral girder]

Oh is it a physical or digital copy of the adventure?

[fiery nimbus]

Than you make the plot up, the obstacles than the... whats that?... yes ... Ive been informed its called writing a book

[cinder furnace]

I went to target and just saw Dungeons & Dragons starter set dragons of storm wreck isle and bought it

[fiery nimbus]

so you are aiming for running in person?

[umbral girder]

Ah then inside is a small Rule Book and a small Adventure book!

[cinder furnace]

I guess but also maybe on a call

[umbral girder]

The rule book explains the mechanics of the game while the Adventure book has the story, monsters, and maps!

[cinder furnace]

Thanks

So I just read then make up a random story using stuff inside the book

[umbral girder]

Don’t expect to run all of it in 1 session to! It can take a good 5-6 hours.

[fiery nimbus]

Running DnD through the online play without any Virtual table top tool or a Map is rather rough

[cinder furnace]

Ok

[cinder furnace]

But is this what I do

[shy stirrup]

Use the Three Faction Rule

[fiery nimbus]

no, you follow the story from the book, if the players stray from the story you try to bring them back on track

[umbral girder]

You can but you don’t want to stray too far from the book’s story

[cinder furnace]

Ok so it has a story and they do stuff and I try to bring them back to track of the story if they go off road

[umbral girder]

Might get harder to control how it works the further you deviate

[cinder furnace]

Ok well thank you

[fiery nimbus]

nah, once it get that far you simply talk to them, explain that you are running a campaign from the book that is quite limited in what it can do

[umbral girder]

Take cover, might get caught in the crossfire like I did

[loud tendon]

It should be taken care of now.. please continue 🙂

[minor cargo]

I'm really excited for Monday's combat.
I found some homebrew Chuul variants and one has a 10ft antimagic field permanently. Our casters have pretty much been dominating fights the last couple of sessions so this will be a really cool moment, I think, where the martial characters really get to shine.

[marble lion]

the book gives you hooks, cues to expose the players to. only a chaos gremlin party will actually derail games tbh because you, the DM, control what they see of the world

[fiery nimbus]

im sorry, whats a Chuul. After reading Stormlight archives all i can think about are those huge crustaceans used like cattle

[marble lion]

for them to actually properly derail the game, they need to consciously choose to seek out specifically nothing

its actually quite hard to derail the game without actually wanting to

at that point, its not wrong to tell the players "hey lets play the campaign, with the sidequests and stuff instead of trying to break out on purpose"

[minor cargo]

No, no. That's about right.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/5194944-chuul

It's like a lobster, bug, tentacle thing.

[marble lion]

because remember if you, the DM, dont tell them about a thing, that thing doesnt exist to the players. thats how dnd works. you are the world

[fiery nimbus]

well yes, if they derail the campaign so badly, at this point just ask them if they want to play something else because clearly its not working out

[marble lion]

yup

if they ignore the rumours and quests and conflicts you tell them about, which are their entire world due to DND nature
and then specifically try to find something else
you are within your right to tell them "hey youre leaving the game i have prepared, why? please stop"

[fiery nimbus]

This thing is nasty, how do you rule Anti-Magic field? no spell effect can pass or only no spell can be cast from within?

[marble lion]

silence stops casting of verbal components
anti magic should stop both cast and effect i feel

[minor cargo]

I'll be running it as close to RAW as possible: https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2618860-antimagic-field

So no, spells won't be able to pass through.

No one can cast spells, take Magic actions, or create other magical effects inside the aura, and those things can’t target or otherwise affect anything inside it. Magical properties of magic items don’t work inside the aura or on anything inside it. [...] Areas of effect created by spells or other magic can’t extend into the aura, and no one can teleport into or out of it or use planar travel there. Portals close temporarily while in the aura.

[fiery nimbus]

i meant more from the perspective of cantrips, for example would fire bolt just fizzle out before hitting the target?

[marble lion]

thats what im saying. yes

[fiery nimbus]

oh yea that will do it

[marble lion]

silence is the one that only stops the casting itself

[fiery nimbus]

silence also stops all thunder damage so there is that

[marble lion]

that is a unique thing

[fiery nimbus]

not really, it makes perfect sense for a spell eliminating sound to eliminate sound based damage
if you take that logic to anti-magic field, it would make perfect sense for it to eliminate all magic hitting it

[marble lion]

im not arguing at all

it makes perfect sense but it is a specific mechanic

[fiery nimbus]

I am, im argument starved

[marble lion]

your pfp is a chat emoji wearing an army helmet. born to type

[minor cargo]

Sometimes I feel like this server should be on an argument diet.

[fiery nimbus]

DnD without argument?
hey jimmy give me DnD with nothin on it.

[reef tundra]

Chuuls are funny creatures

[fiery nimbus]

like i said, i did read stormlight archive and now i can no longer imagine them differentially than what they are there

[umbral girder]

I had a tpk with a Chuul once

It did have a Grell helping it out

[fiery nimbus]

yea they are monsters for CR4

[burnt valley]

Are chuuls edible?

[fiery nimbus]

The closest ive ever been to TPK was 2 bullettes

[fiery nimbus]

Everything is ediable

[burnt valley]

On what Tier was it?

[fiery nimbus]

CR4, so tier 1 i think

I do like coming up with monster dishes and describing their taste

[umbral girder]

It was a level 5 party of 4

[fiery nimbus]

whats the most unbalanced encounter you ever played?

[burnt valley]

Bruh

[fiery nimbus]

Mine was 5 level 5 characters against 11 Redcaps because DM forgot to read the damn statblock

[burnt valley]

It was just 1 Chuul and 1 Grell right?

[umbral girder]

Like they were very much stronger than the Chuul (this was 2014)

[umbral girder]

Yep!

[fiery nimbus]

old Chuuls had around 17 more HP and 2 more damage per hit

[marble lion]

4 red dragon wyrmlings, we were level 5, 3 players in a tunnel with lava spurting at us from 4 origin points, dealing 20 damage each time unless reduced to 10

we all died. ill never forgive my dm for putting that in our way

[burnt valley]

This is wild

[umbral girder]

Yep but with a lot more saving throws

[marble lion]

i still want to revive that party. they deserved better

[umbral girder]

How so? It’s a level 5 party.

[fiery nimbus]

reminds me of that one wierd oneshot i played that was supposed to end with everyone dying
so 2 level 6 characters against 16 Kobolds, Dragonborn Veteran and Adult Red Dragon

[burnt valley]

Never heard of it happening that early before

[umbral girder]

Tbh it’s more like a level 4 encounter

Kinda went wrong when the cleric and paladin got paralyzed

[reef tundra]

Two level 2 characters VS a mummy lord, an oni, a wight and a Minotaur skeleton

The players survived and defeated all but the mummy lord

[fiery nimbus]

T1 tables really do be like that
oh let me use that sea hag, whats the worst that can happen followed by you losing the entire table to the first saving throw

[reef tundra]

They killed the Minotaur, sent the wight to the surface, used the oni as a shield, and fled from the mummy lord

[umbral girder]

Rules wise it was A Lich, a Nightwalker, two Balors, a Goristro, 3 Demiliches, and 4 skeletons

Level 20 party in 2024.

[burnt valley]

Ah unlucky

[fiery nimbus]

proud of them

[reef tundra]

Same

[umbral girder]

Yeah the two people without Con save proficient who also can cure the poison

[burnt valley]

How'd they use the Oni as a shield?

[fiery nimbus]

i would rule it as total cover

[reef tundra]

They were all falling together, and I allowed them to make an opposed strength check to see who uses the other as a shield for the fall damage

Absolutely not RAW but it was fun

[fiery nimbus]

sometimes rule of cool is more important

[reef tundra]

Agreed

[fiery nimbus]

i still remember the moment my DM did let me use my Control Weather to fight against the storm caused by an NPC

up to this day its my favourite dnd moment

[burnt valley]

Oh thats pretty cool

Wish I'd get a moment like that someday

[fiery nimbus]

you will, if you are reckless enough

[near belfry]

Hello friends

[fiery nimbus]

Hmm, whats the best way to give someone advantage on a charisma saving throw?

preferably without concentration

[burnt valley]

emboldening bond?

[umbral girder]

What’s emboldening bond?

[fiery nimbus]

Clerics feature

[fiery nimbus]

a bust, im not cleric -_-

[burnt valley]

Peace Cleric's feature

[burnt valley]

Darn

[fiery nimbus]

im a warlock, i need to give adventage to my fiend summon for it to break free from my control

[reef tundra]

Ty

[burnt valley]

Ah i dont know then

[balmy yew]

Guys quick question. Where can i search on this server for a party. Im new to both dnd and the server and can t find the tab or channel. Please help me:)

[umbral girder]

#find-a-game has it!

[balmy yew]

thanks

[weak swallow]

help action

[fiery nimbus]

doesn't work on saves

[umbral girder]

Help action doesn’t help with saving throws

[weak swallow]

aw well I'm outta ideas

[fiery nimbus]

I want my Demons to save

it will be a hilarious surprise tool for later

[low walrus]

so i got a question for the dms here. i need your opinion on something

[shy stirrup]

You might wish to ask it in #dm-discussion

[low walrus]

thank you

[woven flint]

Being a Kalashtar (New)
Being a Gnome, Yuan-Ti or Vedalken lol

[limber oriole]

I mean you could just give the advantage?

[woven flint]

I'm certain there's some items, but those are the only things I can think of and its specieswise

[woven flint]

They can't, they're not the dm lol

[fiery nimbus]

I don't think they can grant someone an advantage, i don't remember that being an option for them

[sleek cloud]

Elminsters elusion can give yourself advantage against spells and magical effects but no access for warlocks

[woven flint]

The best way to give advantage on a save is Silvery Barbs, but I'm unsure if they have anyone who can cast it

[woven flint]

Yeah, I misread initially

But, as said, Silvery Barbs is the best source of giving advantage for anything, but, I'm not sure if warlocks get it

[fiery nimbus]

I want to grant it to my fiendish summon

make it easier for it to break out of my spell

[snow agate]

You can just stop concentrating

[sleek cloud]

Would have to take magic initiate to get silvery barbs for warlock

[fiery nimbus]

that will unsummon it

[sleek cloud]

Is this a pact of the chain familiar or is this an actual spell that summoned the fiend

[snow agate]

I don’t understand the point of an uncontrolled summon if you’re still concentrating on it tbh

[fiery nimbus]

Summon Greater Demon

[burnt valley]

Doesn't it have a few rounds til it unsummons if its Summon Greater Demon?

[fiery nimbus]

If it breaks free on its own, you no longer need to concentrate on it

meaning you are free to summon another

[rough basalt]

Easy peasy

[fiery nimbus]

Only if the Demon is out of control

[burnt valley]

Ah darn

[fiery nimbus]

hence losing control on purpose is quite appealing

you are turning 1v1 into 2v1 into 2v1v1

surely you can see the value in that

[knotty basin]

What if the demons don’t obey you?

[snow agate]

I guess it works but I don’t think it’s enough value to be valuable

[sleek cloud]

Why would you want to lose control of a demon that will actively try to kill you if it succeeds the save

[halcyon forum]

the demon will attack whoever is closest

if you are careful with positioning, it will still attack your enemies

[knotty basin]

Yeah, until they all die

[unreal garnet]

yo guys

[halcyon forum]

it despawns in a few rounds

[knotty basin]

And then it goes after you

[sleek cloud]

Fair point

[unreal garnet]

what do i put in the background and personality

its a sorcerer with shadwo magc

[burnt valley]

Just flee

[halcyon forum]

background is a feature like species or class. it gives you a feat, some proficiencies, gold or equipment and ability score increases. you can pick one of the premade backgrounds published or ask your DM about a custom one

personality is something you come up with on your own

[fiery nimbus]

I don't know how others will look at this
but usually i put in the background what fits the best
but i leave out the personality box up until the session 2 when i know what i can menage

Also if you are writing your backstory, please write it in paragraphs, or if you really want a novela worth of a backstory
give your DM this novela alongside cliffnotes

[snow agate]

This is very true. If it’s beyond two pages please have a summary of things you actually want me to remember

[mellow venture]

ive been working on this the witcher rpg system
but i cant decide if ill add classes or not
anyone ideas?

[fossil hollow]

#non-dnd-topics

[mellow venture]

thanks

[gleaming lodge]

For those who watch it, who's excited for the finale of Heart of Elynthi next week?

[umbral girder]

Oh cool, I’ll have to catch up to Heart of Elynthi it seems

[sacred pilot]

´nother dumb question - do we know which one is larger? Faerun or Flanaess?

[umbral girder]

Faerun by a lot to my knowledge

Of course they are on different planets so hard to compare

[brisk bramble]

People who play DND are just different

Y'all are so smart genuinely

[violet basin]

wait till you meet the MTG + DND players

[brisk bramble]

You know that saying where someone says their heart is in an iron cage or something like that,it's like that for my mind too and it won't let me play DND

[violet basin]

?

Sir, are you aware you are on a D&D Discord, talking about D&D?

[lunar bough]

Does anyone know where the stupid trope about the gorgon stare being reflected back at themselves originates from? Because the entire point of the mirror shield in the myth of Perseus was to have a way to see Medusa so the gaze wouldn't turn him to stone. Mirrors don't reflect the gorgon stare. So how did we get from that to Gorgons killing themselves with mirrors?

[brisk bramble]

And I find it very fascinating

I have dnd dice but idk what to do with them

[violet basin]

no idea, probably hollywood

[brisk bramble]

They are very beautiful though

[violet basin]

Find a group, play D&D

[valid geyser]

i mean its not that big of a leap in logic that if their gaze turns someone to stone, seeing themselves might also turn them to stone

[atomic kayak]

you've basically described exactly how and why the trope came about

[brisk bramble]

Idk how anything works ._.

[lunar bough]

It actually is. That's kind of the entire point of the mirror shield. A way to see medusa sneaking up and strike back without being turned to stone.

[violet basin]

Why not read up on it?

[brisk bramble]

I assume it's just roll the dice and check for perception then BOOM I cast fireball

[lunar bough]

From the source myth we see the stare is not reflected

[violet basin]

So, you want to play dnd, but you dont want to read the rules, or maybe watch some videos on how to play/people playing?

[brisk bramble]

Got no time,jokes aside,when you are not a rich person games are not something you can indulge in often lmao

[violet basin]

cool story

[brisk bramble]

It's basically intricate storytelling is it not

[violet basin]

i know people with nothing and two jobs that still play dnd because they find it to be fun

[brisk bramble]

I love storytelling,I used to write my own storys

[valid geyser]

i think just from like, a storytelling perspective without even trying to stick to mythological accuracy it seems like a more fitting way to kill medusa because of dramatic irony

[lunar bough]

It doesn't magically make sense when you have the original greek myth showing it doesn't work that way

[violet basin]

What media shows medusa being turned to stone by her reflection?

[brisk bramble]

Really,wow you really got lucky to know such cool people

[valid geyser]

and myths have the ability to be told in multiple ways. I'm sure it just came from an alternate retelling

[violet basin]

And you're making excuses* not to play.

[lavish flame]

Isn't that how Perseus defeated the original Medusa?

[brisk bramble]

Idk what I'm saying

[valid geyser]

beheaded

[lavish flame]

ah

[violet basin]

No, he shined the inside of his shield to turn it into a mirror, to see medusa sneaking up on him, then decapitated her with a backswing

[lunar bough]

No. He used it to see her WITHOUT being turned to stone. The entire point of the mirror shield is that the stare CAN'T be reflected.

That's how he killed Medusa

[violet basin]

What other media exists that shows a Medusa/Gorgon like creature being defeated by a reflected gaze?

[brisk bramble]

If you can't look at Medusa's face then how did he pick up the head

Surly the snakes didn't die instantly

[scenic zinc]

-# there's multiple different tellings of the tale

[violet basin]

wait for it to bleed out, use your mirror shield to reach behind and pick it up.... stuff it in a bag
not workcet science.

[sleek cloud]

Anyways, abjurer wizards, what’s the opinion these days on em

[lunar bough]

Pretty much all of them are like that now. It seems like everyone forgot the gaze doesn't reflect.

[brisk bramble]

Good thinking

[scenic zinc]

And saying which one is definitively 'the original' is pretty impossible

[brisk bramble]

Then that means the basalisk is just built different, unless that's also been botched by modern media too

[violet basin]

Googling it, there's various variations of the greek myth that do and dont contain her own gaze reflected and turning herself to stone

[scenic zinc]

No longer breaking the game with armor of Shadows

[violet basin]

Rather, it isnt her GAZE that does it, it's how ugly her visage is (despite hollywood and classical art beautifing her.)

[minor cargo]

I think when it comes to myths and retelling of them, it’s important to do so within the context of the audience.

So for Perseus, my understanding is that it’s a story about how the gods can provide gifts (like Hades’ Helm of Darkness or the blade that could kill the Gorgons). But also how it’s his own ingenuity and cunning that makes him a hero.

In D&D, we aren’t really telling stories about that sort of things. It’s more of a power fantasy, where we can (with enough planning and cunning of our own) take from the land and grow even stronger and stronger. So it makes sense that the Medusa would have a glaring weakness that players could enjoy exploiting.

[lunar bough]

How old though? I'm willing to bet this is a more modern contrivance.

[violet basin]

duno, search engines and results i look into contradict all over these days

[scenic zinc]

#dnd-discussion message

[lunar bough]

Like I say, I'm just curious about where this stupid trope originates

[violet basin]

probably a long time ago

[scenic zinc]

It originates from people retelling stories.

[violet basin]

if i recall correctly, both movie adaptations of the story had the mirror shield trick and waiting for Medusa to sneak up behind the character

[valid geyser]

i just think that it's probably a more recent interpretation to probably not have beaheading as a factor and give dramatic irony

[scenic zinc]

It's not a real thing, and someone told a story with that "difference" in it.

It's certainly not an original idea.

[violet basin]

The bigger question is, if the Gorgon sisters can turn each other to stone?

[scenic zinc]

These myths are based on a tradition of oral storytelling being done over millennia.

[valid geyser]

pretty sure not. The petrification only effected mortals and medusa was the only mortal gorgon

[violet basin]

"Family
According to Hesiod and Apollodorus, the Gorgons were daughters of the primordial sea-god Phorcys and the sea-monster Ceto, and the sisters of three other daughters of Phorcys and Ceto, the Graeae.[9] However, according to Hyginus, they were daughters of "the Gorgon", an offspring of Typhon and Echidna, and Ceto,[10] while Euripides, in his tragedy Ion, has "the Gorgon" being the offspring of Gaia, spawned by Gaia to be an ally for her children the Giants in their war against the Olympian gods.[11] Medusa had two offspring by Poseidon, the winged-horse Pegasus and the warrior Chrysaor.[12]"

Greek Mythology

NONE OF IT MAKES SENSE.
NONE OF IT IS COHERENT.
NONE OF IT.

[lunar bough]

If I was to apply a suspension of disbelief, I feel like I should point out the sheer evolutionary disaster of an entire race of creatures that would go extinct the moment they went out to gather water or saw anything shiny. It would make zero sense for a creature like this to be vulnerable to their own power. They would have gone extinct before Perseus ever got to Medusa.

[violet basin]

drugs, so much drugs:
Stheno and Euryale were immortal, whereas Medusa was mortal.[22] According to Apollodorus' version of their story, Perseus was ordered by Polydectes (his enemy) to bring back the head of Medusa. So, guided by Hermes and Athena, he sought out the sisters of the Gorgons, the Graeae, who had only one eye and one tooth, which they shared. Perseus managed to steal their eye and tooth, and refused to return them, unless they would show him the way to the nymphs, which they did. Perseus got from the nymphs winged sandals, which allowed him to fly, and the cap of Hades, which made him invisible. He also received an adamantine sickle (harpē) from Hermes. Perseus then flew to Oceanus, where he found the Gorgons asleep. When Perseus managed to behead Medusa by looking at her reflection in his bronze shield, Pegasus and Chrysaor sprang from Medusa's neck, and Stheno and Euryale chased after him, but were unable to see him because he was wearing Hades' cap of invisibility. When Perseus brought back the Gorgon head, as ordered, he showed the head to Polydectes, who was turned to stone. Perseus returned the things he had acquired from the nymphs and Hermes, but gave the Gorgon head to Athena.[23]

[scenic zinc]

It's not supposed to make sense.

[glad arch]

@slow wharf curious, how did you get at will misty step?

[violet basin]

$5 on homebrew or that one high level wizard feature

[slow wharf]

honestly I wonder if there was some mistake, forge made that happen. I am sorcerer shadow and warlock of the great old one

[violet basin]

somethings not right there

unless its the shadow step thing

[slow wharf]

I also feel smth's weird

[scenic zinc]

One of the more popular versions of Medusa is a tale of a beautiful woman who was turned into a monster by a god for being victimized by a different god.

It's not supposed to make sense.

[glad arch]

I dont believe either of those (or any feature in general) gives that

[lunar bough]

Except that's a boring answer. And not the point of a suspension of disbelief. We're here to debate the nature of fictional creatures, not dismiss it as fiction and move on.

[valid geyser]

oh wait i figured out the medusa thing

[woven flint]

Hello, friends

[valid geyser]

it's because of basilisks

[glad arch]

At will misty step at level 2 is really strong if youd have that

[slow wharf]

yeah im rly confused

[valid geyser]

basilisks die when they see themselves in the mirror, and i assume that got assumed into gorgons as well

[slow wharf]

I wonder if there was some mistake

[ashen schooner]

hi guys, random question but do cloak and ring of protection's bonus to saving throws stack? or is it just the armor that stacks

[violet basin]

yes

[scenic zinc]

You're thinking too hard about it, honestly. Your inability to suspend your disbelief is because you're actively searching for an explanation.

[glad arch]

Where/from who did you get the idea youd be able to get it?

[slow wharf]

I didnt, forge gave that to me

[ashen schooner]

ty. i think dndbeyond only shows the bonus to saving throws to the cloak and not the ring so it confused me

[violet basin]

This falls under the "Same Name" stacking rule, a Ring of Protection and a Cloak of Protection are different items, and different names with the same effect can stack.

[lunar bough]

My friend, you have our roles reversed. I am the one suspending disbelief to debate about the nature of fictional creatures. You are the one saying it's fiction and doesn't matter.

[glad arch]

Forge?

[slow wharf]

that automated dnd thing

[violet basin]

So not DNDBeyond?

[glad arch]

Not familiar with it, but definitally double check that

[minor cargo]

Another popular retelling of the Mesusa story is through a feminists lens. That is, her ability to turn men to stone is a gift meant to protect her - rather than a curse or a weapon. There are several small indie writers who have taken this idea and run with it.

Indeed, in Uncaged Vol 1, this idea is taken again in a new direct with Serpent's Tooth by Monica Evans and Tim Christopher. Here, the Medusa is cursed with unearthly beauty by her drunken uncle in hopes she'll marry rich and he'll reap the benefits. The curse goes awry and with her newfound powers, the players stumble across her and her new smuggling ring.

So all this to say, yeah, I would double down that the audience and the context they have matters a lot when it comes to retelling and/or interpreting myths.

[scenic zinc]

You're the one saying "it makes no sense, so I can't believe it" though. I'm saying "it doesn't have to make sense in order to believe it"

[violet basin]

nothing makese sense, dont believe anything!

[scenic zinc]

In fact... that's the very nature of belief.

[cursive thorn]

Nothing is true, everything is permitted

[lunar bough]

You realize that by sitting here and treating fictional creatures as real creatures for the sake of this discussion that I am already suspending my disbelief, right?

We all know they're not literally real.

[scenic zinc]

And yet you're requiring a sensible reason for their anatomy

[violet basin]

but dragons are real

[valid geyser]

i think theres ways around the idea of a creature that cant gaze at its own reflection

you can give something consistency even if it has an unrealistic weakness

[lunar bough]

If by dragon, you mean an archeic word for literally any large reptile, then yes

[violet basin]

darn, he saw through my clever trap

[scenic zinc]

For example, most dragons in dnd can be hurt by the element that matches the one they breathe out. Yes, they have resistance, but full immunity? Most of them don't have that.

[vestal crow]

can sorcerous burst break stuff ? what kind of effect does it have. for example if i use thunder damage on a wall will it just create a hole or break some part of it

[scenic zinc]

Unless a spell says it has an effect, it doesn't have that effect.

Apply this logic to all spells.

[valid geyser]

theres rules for hitting and breaking objects, and the cantrip does allow itself to target objects

[lunar bough]

Being consistent with mythical zoology is not a bad thing

And I'm hardly the first person to have an interest in mythical beasts and monsters

[scenic zinc]

I disagree. I think it's silly to try to look for a "scientific" answer to mystical things.

Doing so actively removes the magic from the situation.

[lunar bough]

Not at all

Magic isn't this nebulous thing. Even in D&D. It has clearly defined rules and works in specific ways.

[valid geyser]

obligatory middle ground here. It's good to do at times, just don't spend all of your energy on it

[scenic zinc]

Definitively not true.

[umbral girder]

Magic is considered magic because it’s not understood last I checked

[violet basin]

Any suffieiencly advanced form of technology is magic

[lunar bough]

A fire ball is always going to be a fire ball.

[scenic zinc]

Examples: Wild magic, the weave when not under control, etc

[valid geyser]

like, for the games I run. I don't need to worry about all of the logistics of how a monster lives and effects its living space, but if it contributes to a cool story or a fun game I'll try to do so

[valid geyser]

i mean that's kind of an explanation for its existence

[umbral girder]

Unless you are a sorcerer, or in another plane, or if an area is effected by a plane or another creature or spell etc

[minor cargo]

I'll disagree on this, but softly and for a different reason.

I think this type of consistency should be done, but never at the cost of "fun". It's kind of a cop-out but by framing it this way, it leaves the conversation open to groups who probably would love to see things like, I dunno, skeletons of mythical mosnters including where some of the magic organs are housed. It also is inclusive to groups who never bat an eye at the fact that a Medusa can turn herself to stone by looking at a shiny surface.

[scenic zinc]

I'm saying those are quick and easy examples that magic isn't always the same and doesn't always follow "the rules"

[valid geyser]

i think because d&d is a game it wants to have rules for how its stuff works, but that's not saying that there can't be things that can go without definition

[lunar bough]

Even sorcerers work under specific rules unless you're a wild magic one. Other planes have different magical laws and mechanics. Magic can interfere with other magic. Yeah. That's pretty consistent.

[umbral girder]

Also which ever magical god is in control, or what world you are in too

[scenic zinc]

That's literally not consistent.

[violet basin]

Am I looking at balance poorly, or is the Wulven race from Grimhollow rather overpowered ?

[scenic zinc]

No species is "overpowered"

Some are slightly better. None are overpowered.

[lunar bough]

With the exception of wild magic, the default Sorcs are literally magical nepo babies inheriting the traits of their ancestor whether that be a divine being, a dragon or something else.

[violet basin]

some are a whole lot better than others...

[valid geyser]

i think it's a type of consistency to say the points where something breaks that consistency

[umbral girder]

Notably only 1 subclass in 2014 even says Sorcerers get it from blood lines

2024 even removes that too

Even in 2014 the Draconic bloodline one even lists the many ways you got it from not a bloodline too

[lunar bough]

Sounds pretty consistent to me. You're in their realm. Their physical and magical laws applies.

[crimson gulch]

3rd party things are usually far far far less consistent and there's huge swings In power

[scenic zinc]

This is just an overdone trope, I agree

[violet basin]

well, my dm said i can use it, so here, we goooooo

[valid geyser]

seeing grim hollow wulven, yeah they get a lot of stuff

[scenic zinc]

gh stuff is strong because it's meant for a gh game, and that setting is extremely unforgiving

[valid geyser]

also it seems the nature of grim hollow is that species get kind of an a la carte list of features you can pick and choose, with eight traits total, extra bonuses if you spent two traits on the same thing

[valid geyser]

i guess im seeing that itd be very strong for a species in a non grim hollow game which im assuming

[violet basin]

let me go read grim hollow...

[scenic zinc]

Yes. Using gh content outside of the gh setting will have that character be generally stronger.

But they still won't be "overpowered".

That's not a real thing in an actual game, so long as the dm bothers to do their job.

[valid geyser]

i suppose, I'm kind of assuming a little hyperbole with the term overpowered just meaning "a good deal stronger than most other options" since very little in this game is overpowered with the meaning of game breaking power

[scenic zinc]

Perhaps I'm just being too particular with verbiage then. If "strong" or "stronger" was the intent of the wording rather than what overpowered is usually meant and utilized for, then sure.

[lunar bough]

So I have a question about high level games. How do you go about fixing it so it's not a train wreck of the player characters being too strong?

[violet basin]

stronger enemies
more enemies

[valid geyser]

ture i just assume a lot of hyperbole in these discussions

[crimson gulch]

longer encounter days, more combats, spellcasters can only cast their best spells once a day so if you only run one encounter your not going to challange anyone

[lunar bough]

So the BBEG had like 3 stacks of legendary resist and the players were actively trying not to kill it for story reasons

[scenic zinc]

It's all about resource drain. Whether at high level or low level. Bleed their resources and don't allow for them to abuse long rests.

[umbral girder]

6-8 encounters a day, majority is medium/moderate difficulty with the boss fight being a high difficulty

DnD’s challenge is attrition after all

[scenic zinc]

A party should never go into the bbeg end battle with full resources, for example.

[lunar bough]

I'm furiously taking notes. Keep it coming.

[valid geyser]

if you really wanna be mean, you should know that at the highest levels, saving throws you're not proficient in often mean you have little to no chance of success on them (or if theres a paladin that everyone is huddling in ten feet of/a cleric who'd rather concentrate on bless than their highest level cleric spells)

[fickle heart]

To be fair, when it comes to balance, it's important to not fall for the Oberoni and/or Survivorship fallacies, because otherwise it's easy to discount legitimate issues people have with content.

[lunar bough]

Like I say, I gave this thing three stacks of legendary resist and it wasn't enough

[scenic zinc]

*from the dm perspective, that is. Obviously, the players will want to. But the dm shouldn't make that reality an easily achievable one.

[fickle heart]

This applies to the Reverse Survivorship fallacy too, of course.

[rough basalt]

I need to Google what these are

[valid geyser]

also just single monster encounters mean theyre really easy a lot of the time

[lunar bough]

My new group wants to roleplay, but they also essentially want dark souls bosses to punish them and I'm trying to figure this out

[scenic zinc]

Oberoni, iirc, is "just because you can fix it at the table doesn't mean it isn't actually broken"

[minor cargo]

In my experience, once you're around level 20, you can still use CR to baseline how you build encounters, but then you'll need to tweak and modify as needed - since a party of level 20s will have a lot of options (and also you won't necessarily know what gaps they have just by looking).

In short, though, I find there are always some things that remain relevant. For example, Flameskulls are only CR 4, but they get fireball. Even a group of level 20s will feel the sting of 6 fireballs in a row - especially if they aren't expecting it.

I'll also throw out that in D&D, "defeat all enemies" should just be one of many combat win conditions. So even at level 20, combat can feel exciting and novel just by switching up what and how they're fighting for.

[topaz grove]

first session of my new campaign i'm dming is today! i absolutely cannot wait

[valid geyser]

tier 4 is kind of where its hard to have a fair fight

[fickle heart]

TL;DRs:

• Oberoni Fallacy: Something having a problem isn't actually a problem because the DM can fix it. The statement contradicts itself because it mentions a lack of a problem and then mentions fixing the problem.
• Survivorship Bias/Fallacy: If all of the examples/data used is that of people who succeeded/got a good result, something can seem fine when it's not.
• Reverse-Survivorship Bias/Fallacy: If all of the examples/data used is that of people who didn't succeed/got a bad result, something can be seen as not fine when it is.

[valid geyser]

just like, throw a billion cloud giants at them and stunlock them to death if you want a hard ight

[scenic zinc]

The idea that all fights are supposed to be fair is an odd one, in my opinion.

[valid geyser]

(dont take this as an actual suggestion)

[rough basalt]

True, if they don't wanna get incapped then don't get hit

[lunar bough]

Talk about hating fun lol

[crimson gulch]

i realy dont like that oberoni one

[scenic zinc]

not everyone has fun the same way ¯_(ツ)_/¯

That might be fun for some people

[umbral girder]

Also remember, monsters can use magic items too

[valid geyser]

yeah the concept of a fair fight is hard, since it is the DM's job to lose and provide players with an adequate challenge at the time. You are less making a fight where its an equal change of either side winning and more making a battle where the enemies go down fighting in a satisfying manner

[lunar bough]

Yeah. They're called masochists lol.

[fickle heart]

It's necessary because not calling it out can really harm newer/low-skilled DMs that don't have the capability to do it, thus causing people to blame the DM instead of the content.

[scenic zinc]

What that's getting at is more a criticism of existing systems and their designers, calling on them to do better.

[fickle heart]

If a system sets up a DM to fail and people blame the DM because the DM didn't fix said broken system, the blame is being incorrectly assigned.

[rough basalt]

I do a lot of unfair fights

[crimson gulch]

and really i am a firm beliver that it is up to execution and dm skill so like, getting more skills solves problems and makes you more sucessful so calling that out as a falacy just seems incorrect

[lunar bough]

Thanks for the advice. I think I can improve this next game.

[valid geyser]

and from my experience there is this inherent swinginess to a lot of uber strong 5e fights where stuff like getting higher or lower on initiative can mean a lot to what happens, alongside stuff like lucky crits (probably moreso since initiative is usually in the enemy's favor)

[rough basalt]

Like even my fights that are fair by CR are unfair

Cause CR doesn't account for me rolling as well as I do.

[scenic zinc]

Do you not think that that's a bit unfair for newer dm's? Shouldn't system designers try to do better and provide more clear systems?

[fickle heart]

You're absolutely right for the first bit, but the purpose is that relying on that for any good result reflects a flaw in the system, because that good result could reasonably be achieved with less skill required from the DM.

[rough basalt]

I hit 90% of the time and roll above average to max consistently

[valid geyser]

you can run a deadly combat twide and have vastly different results from a handful of rolls. Also i think it depends on number of monsters too, where single monster fights are just extra variable because they make less rolls than a horde

[fickle heart]

The Oberoni fallacy is not meant to be anti-DM, it's meant to be pro-DM.

[crimson gulch]

no, because we are in a better place than ever before with the new DMG and i belive it is a good system that is usable as sis

[scenic zinc]

Just because it's better than it was doesn't mean it cannot or should not become better.

[rough basalt]

Ultimately you can't account for every party when it comes to the DMs tools

[crimson gulch]

thats just life, people that preform better, get better results, thats not a logical falacy

[fickle heart]

The fallacious part of the logic is specifically:

Something having a problem isn't actually a problem because the DM can fix it. The statement contradicts itself because it mentions a lack of a problem and then mentions fixing the problem.

[rough basalt]

Cause people will ignore crucial rules, play incompetent PCs, DMs will give out too many magic items or too few

[scenic zinc]

It's a refusal to accept that any system is perfect and a call on the designers to improve their systems.

[lunar bough]

Does anyone else use gemstone dice? I'm trying to find an amethyst D100.

[cinder timber]

how do you give the right amount?

[crimson gulch]

nah, i Accept things are they are, and use them as directed and this works well

[valid geyser]

yeah i also think for encounters, 2024's monster manual at least to me made it a little harder to judge stuff like a specific monster's power. The floor for stuff like damage got bumped way up and this time there isn't a clear baseline like 2014 had.
Like I remember comparing like, CR 11 monsters from 2024 with the 2014 DMG guidelines. DMG suggested average 60-80 Damage/round, while the 2024 monsters often had like 110 average damage

[crimson gulch]

the falacy i think is someone offloading their own problems onto the system

[cinder timber]

is there a magic item/session?

[fickle heart]

It may work well for you, absolutely, but that's where the Survivorship bias comes into play.

[scenic zinc]

Then why bother ever using '24? Why not just stay on '14?

[valid geyser]

i mean theres suggestions in both DMGs on how many items should be given out over the course of a game

[fickle heart]

The Oberoni fallacy would posit that 5.24 wasn't needed because the DM can just do all of that themselves.

[crimson gulch]

i use all teh books

[rough basalt]

2024 has a magic item tracker that works decently well imo

[cinder timber]

ok, i will use that

[fickle heart]

I think you are probably fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of it, tbh.

[scenic zinc]

You using '24 is you acknowledging that what they had wasn't perfect.

[rough basalt]

Of course you can always give too few or too much and the game still runs well, you just as the DM have to account for it

[cinder timber]

also, where do I find costs for stuff? I suck with dnd economy

[crimson gulch]

a bad workman blames his tools

[valid geyser]

also the DMGs

[rough basalt]

PHB and DMG

[valid geyser]

magic items kinda arent expected to be bought, so the prices are more general

[fickle heart]

But you'll likely never see a good workman with bad tools.

[cinder timber]

Ok, I appreciate it

[scenic zinc]

Then why use any system, with this argument? You're not making sense at this point.

[cinder timber]

i meant for general goods

[valid geyser]

okay yeah, PHB

[cinder timber]

also, I changed the currency to make it 1g=10s=10cu. should I use the default system minus electrum?

[minor cargo]

Can I maybe try an example?

So in my home game 2014 Assassin was seen as underpowered and the player was unhappy (and the party noticed the power disparity and how many features weren’t relevant).

So I changed Assassin (avoiding details) - and the player was happy and the group was happy.

The Oberoni fallacy says that because I could “fix” Assassin, 2014 Assassin wasn’t a problem.

In reality, in a lot of groups, 2014 Assassin is pretty underwhelming.

[shy stirrup]

Despite its heritage as a real world ancient currency, plenty of DMs just pretend electrum doesn't exist and use gp/sp/cp, I do it this way

[fickle heart]

Using a bit of an absurd extrapolation, the Oberoni fallacy used in real life infrastructure would be something like "We don't need to maintain roads, people just need to drive better. By the way, when you drive past this area, you need to make sure that you lower your speed or you'll drive off the road with the turn."

[valid geyser]

i mean i think there's a difference between "problem for me" and "problem for others"

[scenic zinc]

If the people who made your power drill gave you one whose battery only lasts for 10 minutes, and you end up having to use it manually, your refusal to accept that that tool is perfect simply because you can still use it to screw things together manually doesn't make you a bad workman.

[cinder timber]

but is 10 too small?
1g=50s=2500cu? ? should I do this or something else?

[marsh charm]

i got a question, dunno if this should be asked here.
Does action surge and thirsting blade work together?

[scenic zinc]

I use electrum as a currency for my criminal factions that is only usable with other criminals

[shy stirrup]

That's kind a nice way to use it, as a niche currency

[valid geyser]

nothing says it wouldn't. If you meant to say extra attack and thirsting blade, I'm pretty sure not

[marsh charm]

action surge gives extra attack no?

[rough basalt]

Action surge gives you another action

[valid geyser]

no, it lets you make a second action.

[rough basalt]

Which you can use to use the attack action again

[valid geyser]

extra attack is being able to make two attacks with one attack action

[fickle heart]

Aye, a dramatic example of the Oberoni fallacy would posit that nothing needed to change at all, and thus 5.24 is entirely unnecessary. Being in support of 5.24 is largely being against the Oberoni fallacy, in essence.

Heck, one could even use the logic process from the Oberoni fallacy to shut down criticism of DMing skill, such that there is no such thing as a bad DM at all.

[scenic zinc]

It gives another action, which can be the attack action, so yes (kind of)

[marsh charm]

So if for example I use my 1st action to attack and my thirsting blade makes that attack 2 attacks,
Can I then use my 2nd action to attack again and make that 4 attack?

[valid geyser]

yes that's how action surge works

[marsh charm]

Alright

[valid geyser]

considering fighters also get extra attack, this is intentional

[marsh charm]

Thristing blade gives extra attack so Extra attack works with action surge so 4 attacks a turn is possible

[scenic zinc]

And to preempt, thirsting blade and extra attack don't stack. This was implied in '14 and is explicit in '24

[valid geyser]

yes. That's how action surge works, i feel i should remind you that action surge is a limited use ability, and it's not always active

[marsh charm]

yes that is true

[valid geyser]

and a level 20 fighter does get 4 attacks by default, 8 with action surge. So it is more than possible

[marsh charm]

im running a warlock hexblade and trying to think if i should go pure hexblade or multiclass into something

[ashen schooner]

sorry guys, another question, artificers have this thing where they can store spells in items but it says the spell must require an action to cast. does that mean i cant store a spell that uses a bonus action or reaction to cast

[scenic zinc]

Correct

[halcyon forum]

yep

[scenic zinc]

But you can just make spell scrolls of those spells

[ashen schooner]

mm true

[valid geyser]

hexblade is very easy to multiclass with and gain benefits. Almost any charisma class has a use from going a level in it, but if you started warlock than I'd say paladin or fighter are the best bets

[ashen schooner]

i swear some of our messages just vanished

[marsh charm]

yeah I think so too

[rough basalt]

I removed mine so it wouldn't be confusing.

[scenic zinc]

Best not to comment on mod actions.

[ashen schooner]

oh oop 💀

[valid geyser]

even non charisma classes and non weapon users have benefits from it, since hexblade's curse applies to spells and armor is always good. I've seen wizard builds that grab it and cast magic missile at high levels for some strong damage bonuses

[marsh charm]

im running the classic dark sight + darkness build

but Im thinking that would work with the fighter 2 for action surge

[loud tendon]

you should have received a message from dyno explaining exactly this.. That word is not permitted and normally is block automatically because it is ableist and offensive

[clear lark]

Just because monsters can use magic weapons doesn't mean they should. And it should be rare and only given to the leader Of a group of monsters or the Boss. Monsters already have advantages over layer characters with their own natural weaponry size and strength or magical abilities

[marsh charm]

hows that word ableist? genuine question

[ashen schooner]

ohhhhhhh i forget it has that other definition. damn

[valid geyser]

it has offensive connotations to disabled people

[marsh charm]

Am I missing something? first time i hear that

ohh really? never heard of that before. Not english btw

[ashen schooner]

ive never used it in the offensive way so i apologize for that slipping my mind. i think ive only heard it used that way in like. unironically the bible

[loud tendon]

you can easily google it.. there is a sadly long history if that word being used in a derogatory fashion against disabled folks..
but this is all off topic - lets please return to D&D

[clear lark]

There are lots of words used today are Insults that weren't technically Insults decades ago

[scenic zinc]

Formatring your message to bypass word filters is also highly discouraged.

[ashen schooner]

oh yeah im not gonna do that again but i was genuinely confused by why it was removed and the dm from Dyno explaining didnt show up until like a few minutes after i sent it

[scenic zinc]

It was/is the medical term.

[snow agate]

yeah you have to just say "bad" or "dumb" or "shit" or "terrible" or "crap" or "ewww" because those are ok here

[ashen schooner]

i get the negative connotations around the word so ill refrain from using it now

anyways ty for answering my question ill think of another fun spell to store in my friend's weapon

[valid geyser]

yeah i figure a lot of ppl arent aware so it's good to make sure people are
either way probably should get back to d&d tralk

[ashen schooner]

maybe web? hmmm idk lol

[cinder timber]

I say "slow" when referring to myself

[burnt valley]

is minor conjuration just a fancier prestidigitation if DM says no to both consumables and poisons?

[valid geyser]

are you using old or new artificer? the new one gets access to third level spells

[ashen schooner]

WHHATTTTT

im using old 😧

[valid geyser]

i mean it dpeends on how much you use/have nonmagical equipment

[ashen schooner]

damn if i had 3rd level spells i could store so much fun stuff

[burnt valley]

we pretty much have it most of the time in AL

[valid geyser]

yeah the new artificer's subclasses are almost completely ranked by how useful their third level spells are. Armorer getting lightning bolt and hypnotic pattern, artillerist getting 11 fireballs a day, it's surprisingly game changing

[snow agate]

there is practically no useage because most of the time youll just have the mundane tools you need at any point

[burnt valley]

mega pain

[valid geyser]

anyways I've been thinking about mythological monsters that are kind of boring in d&d, either due to just being unlike the mythology or being a very large group of creatures reduced to a single thing

like, formoians are pretty damn boring in d&d, as compared to irish mythology fomorians, who have a lot of cool interpretations as kinda like sea raiding demons and giants

[snow agate]

is there anything you want regarding it or are you just thinking

[valid geyser]

also deva are similar, where they are just a single kind of angel in d&d as compared to the entire group of holy beings in mythology

[valid geyser]

kinda, I'm just thinking I'd like them as their own monstrous faction in a game I'd run

i also think it's kind of because of the common mythological wars that have specific groups of good and bad guys. Angels vs devils, Olympians vs titans. Both of those examples are on sides of those for different myths

[snow agate]

if you're making a homebrew setting and plot you might as well go and make homebrew monsters 🙂

[valid geyser]

true, true.

[stray atlas]

been wondering, is there a known reason why mind flayers are so good at psionics?

[snow agate]

because they flay minds which is psionic

[valid geyser]

i dont know if it's a cause, but eating brains probably has something to do with it

[ashen schooner]

i guess in a way the angelic ranks are like devas, solars, planetars instead but i do wish there were more

[snow agate]

you can poach ranks from the older systems at least

[valid geyser]

yeah d&d's good planar beings are a lot less fleshed out than the bad ones, which i do get why, you fight them a good bit less

[snow agate]

true, tho i think it also adds the side effect of "man why do we always see demons and devils and undead but there's never like a single holy creature you run into"

[valid geyser]

i know the meta reason for why psionic powers exists is because someone in one of the earliest games just kind of asked while fighting a monster "would there be a chance i develop psychic powers", but idk if that happened before or after midn flayers were made

[valid geyser]

i think thats a factor, but i kinda blame it more on the fact that you're more often to play good guys fighting bad guys than the other way around

[ashen schooner]

wait so real tho. i truly dont remember the last time ive fought a celestial

[snow agate]

i dont even mean fight, i just mean see

[ashen schooner]

honestly i think the only times i have seen them are in noncombat scenarios in like. horrifying battery situations

[crimson gulch]

i sick a lot of celestials on my parties, i did a one shot where the angles were basicly doing armageddon.

[ashen schooner]

being used to power terrible machinery and whatnot

[ashen schooner]

thats sick

[whole parcel]

I Need Help, im trying to run a campain and i want to give my players full access to everything (even homebrew) but since i know that homebrew stuff can be unbalanced i added the rule of no clases and races and a max of 1 magic item at the star of the campain
The players are starting at lvl 3
I am also a new dm but i have run a oneshot before with the same group.
Any recommendations?

[valid geyser]

i usually am not big on the "angels are actually pretty evil" trope, but I'd like to use them as unwilling combatants, probably from the effect of some controlling magic

[snow agate]

yeah and i think its a part of the issue with not having low CR "divine" creatures. you get things like imps, shadows, wights, cambions, hags, there's a bunch of fiends throughout the entire CR spectrum. but you wont find yourself running into a CR 1-7 holy creature or servant of a deity, outside of just priests

[ashen schooner]

the way my dm's have done homebrew stuff is they dont let the players come in with their own homebrew. instead as the campaign goes on, you actively participate and discuss with them cool things they can homebrew and they can 'earn' the homebrew stuff by whatever relevant actions as the campaign goes on

[valid geyser]

i mean did they seem like the people who'd really be trying to get a leg up on you?

[snow agate]

"you can suggest homebrew but i have to review it and approve it"

[whole parcel]

nono they are new players and we are all very friendly, also the are trying to enjoy playing together so i think they won't try to

[whole parcel]

i did tell them that they have to consult with me

[snow agate]

ok then ur fine

[valid geyser]

i think it can be a hurtful mindset to be super paranoid about overpowered players, so I'd say try not to worry about it too hard right now

[ashen schooner]

for example one of my friends had like this dark shadowy fantasy that they wanted that shadow sorcerer wasnt fully fleshing out. so in the story, the dm built encounters and environments that encouraged my friend to do cool roleplay stuff and after they triggered something (i think they jumped into a well of dark energy) the dm gave them a homebrew item that they were working together on the concept for in the background

[snow agate]

you dont need to overcomplicate the rule of what they get access to, just tell them the character creation standards and then veto anything that seems obscene

[valid geyser]

it's probably better to make adjustments as you go if needed

[snow agate]

this is fairly common

and a good way to handle it *

[whole parcel]

oh thanks

nice to know cuz im fairly new

[ashen schooner]

ig the tradeoff of doing it this way is the players dont get their homebrew stuff immediately but in return, when they do get their homebrew stuff it's done in a way that's integrated into the actual story and they have a chance to roleplay as they play

[ashen schooner]

tell us how it goes! being a new dm is always spooky but it can be so rewarding

[whole parcel]

Thx I am gonna updt on the matter

[ashen schooner]

ive only dm'd a few times but i do remember crafting homebrew items personalized to my players (with their constant input ofc) was some of the most fun i had dm'ing

[tiny lily]

Hey guys

[ashen schooner]

hello waterboy from dispatch

[tiny lily]

Yeah sad thing is my dm haven't been online for a while

[sacred pilot]

Is Infinite Staircase also made for the 24 rules or was that one still 14?

[crimson gulch]

it was made before the new core books, but it works great with the new rules

[sacred pilot]

So, basically Tasha then?

[crimson gulch]

truth be told i have found every single book to be perfectly backwards compatable, i have ran so many games mixing all of 5es books togeather

[spice cliff]

What're people's opinions on Spelljammer's Astral Elf, specifically the Starlight Step ability?

[crimson gulch]

not quite as good as the shadar kai one, but better than just the high elf misty step

[stark arch]

Absorb Elements must have spell prepared as spellscroll ?

[rough basalt]

I think the only issue I've found is Shepard Druid

[crimson gulch]

its really hard to use reaction spell scrolls, RAW]

[spice cliff]

What? High Elf gets a Cantrip from the Wizard Spell List, not Misty Step.

[rough basalt]

Since some of it relies on how summon spells used to work

[crimson gulch]

high elf magic, they get misty step at level 5

[rough basalt]

2024 High Elf gets Misty Step at level 5

[spice cliff]

That explains it. I'm sticking to '14.

[stark arch]

would be wiser to have deffence lvl 1 spells as spell scrolls and get higher lvl slot spells prepared ?

like keeping stack of shield. absorb elements as scrolls to keep my deffence up

[crimson gulch]

if you are not allready holding a scroll, if its not your turn, you dont actualy have the ability to draw it and then read it as a reaction, especialy if your hands are ful

[stark arch]

only thing i carry in my hand is my spellbook

[rough basalt]

Scrolls for mage armor would be alright if you got the time and money

Frees up a slot for Shield and AS

[stark arch]

i rather burn a spell slot for mage armor since i use it every 8 hours

durning down time i like to burn distort valua lvl 1spell slots

[spice cliff]

If there was a 1st Level teleport Spell, how far would it take you?

[lavish flame]

Like 5 feet for "no Attack of Opportunity" reasons

although, folks with Reach would still gobble you up

[marsh charm]

My friend is getting into the game for the first time. He wants a spellcaster with AoE and the ability to buff/support. Is there an easy class like that that youd reccomend?

[glass granite]

Sounds like a cleric

[lavish flame]

Cleric is probably the ideal

[marsh charm]

What domain?

[lavish flame]

Any of them really, maybe Light or Tempest

[glass granite]

That depends on what he finds cool

I was thinking those two yeah

[stark arch]

15 feet? misty step lvl 2 gives 30 feet

[lavish flame]

Cleric as a base class does solid AoE and they are a super good support

Ur subclass is up to u

[marsh charm]

Our party rn is a shifter barb, dwarf fiend warlock, elf hexblade, aasimar druid

[valid geyser]

I kind of just imagine it as like, a "get out of opportunity attacks" tool, but i think its low level would make it hard to balance between something kinda useless or way too good for the low level

[spice cliff]

AoE is Blaster Caster and Support is... Support, so the options are Cleric, Druid, Paladin, Sorcerer, and Wizard. The latter 2 can be quite complex, so I wouldn't recommend those, but Cleric and Paladin can be quite tanky.

[snow agate]

a light cleric does this extremely well

[marsh charm]

Great ill look more into it

[lavish flame]

you have 2 Warlocks?

[spice cliff]

Good place to start
https://rpgbot.net/dnd5/players/party-composition/

[crimson gulch]

thats like, all the spellcasters

[marsh charm]

Yeah we didnt talk about it b4

[glass granite]

Maybe consider Forge?

[marsh charm]

But its hexblade n fiend so they work different ig?

[glass granite]

They’re the tankiest

And still a cleric, so they have AOE (#spiritguardians) and a ton of support

[snow agate]

i mainly suggested light because their channel divinity is a very powerful aoe (since it doesnt hurt allies and recharges on a short rest) and they also get classics like fireball and wall of fire

[marsh charm]

Forge is cleric?

[snow agate]

so you can do things like drop a concentration spell (a buff or an aoe) and then just explode the room

[glass granite]

Forge domain ye

[snow agate]

and if you have single target enemies youre still fine because cleric gets good single target spells

[marsh charm]

thought it would be artificer

[tacit field]

which type of warlock would be best for holding enemies, incapacitating monsters, creating walls, et cetera ?

[surreal marsh]

anyone know of any good dnd games besides the infinity engine ones and bg3?

[meager fractal]

Solasta and Solasta 2

[surreal ginkgo]

hello

[sleek cloud]

I enjoyed the pillars of eternity games, also neverwinter nights 2

[meager fractal]

Is web a good spell?

[glass granite]

It’s nice

[shy stirrup]

I'd say Web is more than good, it's *very * good, excellent low level CC, if positioned well, can almost end fights before they begin, especially if you also have a way to knock monsters back in, if they struggle their way out

[umbral girder]

Pretty useful

[old sluice]

Baldur's Gate 1, Baldur's Gate 2, Neverwinter Nights 1, Neverwinter Nights 2, Planescape Torment.

Icewind Dale.

Icewind Dale is probably the weakest of the bunch though

[surreal marsh]

i said besides the infinity engine ones doe

[surreal marsh]

never say that to me again

[old sluice]

Oh yeah my bad

[old sluice]

It's not bad! But compared to Planescape Torment and Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 it just...

It's like how a good football player in their high school can't really compare to the NFL

[surreal marsh]

yeah iwd definitely traded away the story and worldbuilding to be a leaner action experience

i actually love it but i wouldnt recommend it as a first dnd game tbh

[old sluice]

Anyways outside of that list I think we can safely say that all other D&D games are either pretty bad, not really D&D, or have aged too much

Although... Do the two Owlcat pathfinder games count? They're excellent and kinda D&D

[cinder timber]

Is the blood magic spell from crooked moon balanced?

[lavish flame]

Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 1 and 2 are both pretty solid beat-em-ups. Dark Alliance (the most recent one) is pretty cheeks, I wouldn't play thay.

[teal badger]

Can anyone give a rundown of the pros and cons of taking tough or tavern brawler on a 2024 monk?

[lyric idol]

Nothing wrong with taking tavern brawler on monk.

[snow agate]

if its a 2024 monk, get grappler instead of tavern brawler, it does what you want but better

level 1 tough and level 4 grappler goes hard

[lyric idol]

Oooh yeah I forgot grappler in 2024 is tuff

[teal badger]

Yeah i know, just want my options weighed

[lyric idol]

Especially if you take the elemental monk subclass. Start grappling people from 10 ft away

[old sluice]

Tough Pros: More HPs is always good.
Tough Cons: It's still a feat for relatively few HP in the lower levels
Tavern Brawler Pros: Reroll the damage die and pushing people is good
Tavern Brawler cons: The damage increase is useless, the reroll is situational, the push is not only situational but just straight up worse than what you would get with Open Hands

[snow agate]

yeah an open-hand monk with grappler is a melee monster

[teal badger]

Im going with a hb subclass that will beef up my movement options heavily, potentially plan on taking the weapon mastery feat to gain topple

Quarterstaff

[lyric idol]

Instead of weapon mastery def just go grappler.

[raw sonnet]

Pro tip - do not try to eat suspicious moving mushrooms you found in the dungeon. I tried and they almost suffocatedd my character

[snow agate]

pro tip: always eat suspicious mushrooms, its worth the fun

[tribal fox]

Been playing the old PC game Eye of the Beholder lately and it’s a lot of fun and makes me want to make one big massive dungeon LOL

[old sluice]

Pro tip: Cook your food

[fossil hollow]

pro tip: i dont like mushrooms

[raw sonnet]

I am talking about suspicious MOVING mushrooms

[snow agate]

youll never get mario powers

[fossil hollow]

good

[teal badger]

I would think about it, but im also playing a small race, the grapple movement wont be as useful,i think?

[woven flint]

Pro Tip:

Gronkle

[raw sonnet]

do you think tarasque tastes good?

[fossil hollow]

like dinosaur

[raw sonnet]

do you think dinasours taste good?

[fossil hollow]

yeah? Ever had KFC?

[raw sonnet]

that's chicken, not dinasours

[lyric idol]

Yes it would. Small race doesnt tend to affect grapple.

[fossil hollow]

chickens are dinos

or at least, the closest to dinos we got

[halcyon cairn]

close enough !!

[raw sonnet]

chickens are descendants of dinasours, not dinasours

[lyric idol]

Also I now have the image of a halfing holding an orc in a choke hold and I love it.

[fossil hollow]

close enough

[raw sonnet]

not enough

[fossil hollow]

dino enough in my book. Everything tastes like chicken anyway

[glass granite]

Nom

[fossil hollow]

although why do i smell cooked salmon

[halcyon cairn]

chickens certainly have the audacity of a dinosaur, its close enough :D

[raw sonnet]

not everything. Lead ddoesn't taste like chicken. Trust me, I have checked

[glass granite]

Positive?

[snow agate]

being small means that you can only drag enemies up to medium size, since the limit is one size category higher

[fossil hollow]

check again

[old sluice]

According to accounts from explorers, human meat tastes more like pork

[lyric idol]

Dont need to drag em. Just grapple em and keep em there.

[raw sonnet]

I've been checking for the past 10 years of my life

[fossil hollow]

10 more years

[snow agate]

sorry i was responding to the specific thing that was stated. it also applies to grappling

[old sluice]

(They didn't kill anyone, they ate human meat as part of funerary rites that it would have been impolite to refuse participating in)

[lyric idol]

Nah you're good I was just being snarky.

[raw sonnet]

Now I want to create a character who's only goal is to kill and eat tiamat, tarasque or some other CR 25+ creature

[fossil hollow]

Had a lizardfolk fight a tarrasque. Never asked what it tasted like when he bit it

[old sluice]

Considering that Tiamat has a green dragon head, I would be very careful in cooking her

[lyric idol]

Monster slayer Ranger

[hearty bay]

When I first asked about artificer, I hadn't figured that eberron and faerun were completely separate (since I don't know much about the world) and I have been wondering: is artificer a class that is suited for the regular DND world?

[snow agate]

had an idea for a CE barbarian who thinks that eating stronger creatures makes you more powerful

[teal badger]

Ah true, i just also wont get the grapple movement halving be removed if a creature is medium size

[fossil hollow]

wouldnt the black dragon head also be worrying? Or do you think its zesty

[raw sonnet]

Who said he was going to cook it?

[raw sonnet]

hell no. I hate rangers

[fossil hollow]

Artificers already exist in Forgotten Realms. Rock gnomes are the perfect example

[old sluice]

Good question. I think you would need to drain the acid.

[hearty bay]

Dungeon meshi

[snow agate]

its more like dark souls or demon logic tbh but yes

[fossil hollow]

i wonder if black dragon has a lemony taste

[old sluice]

Cooking Tiamat might actually be harder than cooking Fugu

[lyric idol]

Who do you think made magic items enmass in the first place?

[fossil hollow]

wizards

[hearty bay]

I'd guess wizards

[fossil hollow]

Most magic items are wizard, dwarven, giant, dragon, or god made in FR