dnd-discussion

[hollow estuary]

Character idea: Chaotic Neutral Hill giant rogue named Gurp whos really hungry and steals food and shares it with the party.

[woven flint]

Yo, Gurt

[hollow estuary]

yes, hes goated ik ik

[woven flint]

:3

[fossil hollow]

oh god, he's learned more brain rot

[hollow estuary]

When you know theirs about to be a major fight and all the NPCs politely but urgently leave to balance action economy.

[umbral girder]

He learned about 6-7 brain rot /jk

[fossil hollow]

he already knew about that weeeks prior

[woven flint]

I'm evolving

[fossil hollow]

more like regressing 😭
I think that was from almost at the start of the year, that term

[woven flint]

Skibidi...

[glass granite]

Hi evolving, I’m Nugget

[woven flint]

👄
Losing your mind, aren't you?

[glass granite]

Don’t got a mind to lose

[fossil hollow]

i have one braincell trying to escape

[stray atlas]

genuine question

ik the mind flayers as a whole work differently in bg3 than normal dnd but is there any equivalent of partial illithids in dnd?

conceptually they're very interesting to me

[fossil hollow]

no

[stray atlas]

aw

might be decent homebrew material then

[vale sage]

hello

[stray atlas]

ngl I'm not sure why mind flayers are the way they are

a lot of stuff I've learned doesn't make sense from a practical standpoint

[umbral girder]

Aliens. Thats why

They come from a plane of existence that does not follow the DnD plane scape

[stray atlas]

why do they mess with the souls of people that become mind flayers

[umbral girder]

They are actively outside the regular dnd multiverse and all that

[fossil hollow]

because they do

[stray atlas]

why do they have a reproduction cycle that requires living hosts for no real benefit

[mighty sleet]

Anyone have any common/uncommon items that would be good for a bard? We’re starting at level 3 and get two common magic items and one uncommon

[umbral girder]

Cloak of billowing

[fossil hollow]

because thats just how it is for Mind Flayers

[stray atlas]

why do they dislike arcane magic when it can do things psionics can't

[fossil hollow]

im not sure what you want. Thats just how they are

[stray atlas]

@fossil hollow

[umbral girder]

Once again they are aliens from outside the multiverse

[limber trail]

the answer is a big ol question mark. That could potentially be something you can expand on in your games if you so wish

[umbral girder]

We are not suppose to understand them.

[fossil hollow]

Why would abberant, alien creatures make sense from our logic

[idle oar]

They are what they are because that's what the game designers decided to make them as

[stray atlas]

alien or not a long list of things about them don't make sense practically

[idle oar]

You can make them something else

[fossil hollow]

which is fine? Practically speaking, dragons cant fly

[idle oar]

Your mindflayers can be changed to make sense for you and your game

[marble lion]

I think its an interesting thing to bring up

[umbral girder]

It’s not even a case of from a different plane, they are from outside the very multiverse after all.

It’s the point that we don’t know or understand them

[stray atlas]

that doesn't answer my question

[fossil hollow]

"Why does Ctuthulu have tentacles"

[marble lion]

Thats different

[umbral girder]

“Why doesn’t the king in yellow wear a different color?”

[fossil hollow]

Why is he the king in red now

[marble lion]

Dragons flying and cthulhu having tentacles isnt a very faithful comparison

[umbral girder]

No one mentioned dragons

[stray atlas]

they can be from literally anywhere, it doesn't change that parts of their lore do not make sense

[fossil hollow]

i mentioned dragons

[stray atlas]

@umbral girder

[idle oar]

It answers why they are so weird - they are beyond the "standards" and "norms" of the supposed reality of the D&D multiverse.

But again game designers

[stray atlas]

I think y'all aren't reading what I am saying

[marble lion]

Asking why a species so intelligent and seemingly unscrupulous refuses arcane magic to their own detriment is a very reasonable question

[idle oar]

You're asking why they are so weird because you think that weirdness appears impractical

[stray atlas]

they can be as weird as they want but that doesn't explain why an elitist and super intelligent species do so much impractical stuff

[mighty sleet]

It could also be that the hive mind believes arcane magic to be heretical or taboo in some way couldn’t it?

[marble lion]

It could be religion

[idle oar]

We are answering with:

• lore reasons
• game design reasons
• and the game itself finding it fun to have such a weird creature

[umbral girder]

Literally gave all the answers

[fossil hollow]

i dont think youve mentioned what "impractical" stuff they do either

[stray atlas]

.

[fossil hollow]

theyre parasites

[knotty basin]

Do you think they control that?

[mighty sleet]

Plot

[stray atlas]

they're both carnivorous and require the same things they eat to reproduce

[stray atlas]

I mean they have been experimenting but I was talking from an evolutionary standpoint

[fossil hollow]

which is why they get more humanoids for repreduction and food

[knotty basin]

So does every carnivore, when you think about it

[idle oar]

Please avoid single character posts (like just posting with a .) - it's disruptive to chat particularly for folks using text to speech readers for accessibility reasons.

[marble lion]

Hes referring to the comment

[fossil hollow]

asking why a alien creature which doesnt follow our biology rules why they dont work with our biology rules... is a point ig

[stray atlas]

unless someone made them idk how they reasonably could've evolved to be like they are

[idle oar]

Go make them reasonable to your taste then.

Homebrewing things is a wonderful tool

[marble lion]

I think this parasitic way of life is fine

Thats a level of realism that would bother me in a fantasy rpg

Thats like pointing out logic flaws with light sabers

[mighty sleet]

Plus it could require an already living mind to add to the hive mind maybe it can’t just make a new one strong enough to actually contribute

[marble lion]

But i agree its strange that they dont use the arcane without hearing a reason for it

They clearly can too. The taboo must come from somewhere

Maybe its because using arcane makes them independant from psionics which is how they bond their society

So to use arcane stuff is like turning your back on the others or worse to break from the hiveminds control over you

[umbral girder]

It’s also because they just believe Psionics > Magic

As a majority of spells can be replicated with Psionics in lore

5e just hasn’t shown much of it

[hoary mango]

Hiii

[cursive fjord]

So I had an idea for a game but im not sure if it fits the dnd format very well

Ive been thinking of a game where you all play as criptids as your race, but still could be any class you wanted. And based you get more racial features as you level that are similar to the cryptid lore

[knotty basin]

Would need a lot of homebrew

[undone fable]

would it be homebrew if i wanna play undead?

[knotty basin]

Nope, reborn works for this

Or dhampir

[undone fable]

theyre both in ravenloft?

[knotty basin]

I think at least one is?

Technically dhampir are only half-undead

Reborn are revived somehow

[hidden spindle]

They got rules for Sidekicks. Just need to find the right CR Undead & DM

[undone fable]

whats your favorite moment in dnd (player or dm)?

[glass granite]

Probably would have to be having my players survive the beginning of a zombie apocalypse (it was the first time I had the entire party there and invested, and it was peak)

[hidden spindle]

When my one of my players (all new) decided to "Skyrim Sneak" a Dragon. He rolled a 20.

We were level 3.

[dusty citrus]

First time being a dm I’m currently building a campaign anyone got some advice? I have this all spread out on a document a map town descriptions and main story ideas

[scenic zinc]

keep those ideas relatively malleable

[dusty citrus]

Yeah I know there pretty vague

[scenic zinc]

tie your player characters stories into those ideas

[dusty citrus]

I’ve heard story’s of DMs spending weeks plotting it out and players just don’t follow it

[hidden spindle]

Have three to five plot hooks the player's could go for. Have the plot hooks perform simultaneously as the story goes on.

And keep it flexible.

[scenic zinc]

have your players make characters that are of the world that this campaign is in

[dusty citrus]

Oh?

And what do you mean plot hooks

[dusty citrus]

I’m jsut developing a standard world fantasy world

So nothing complicated pretty basic if anything

[idle oar]

Problems and challenges for the PCs to deal with, and specifically the things that would grab your players (and their characters) attention.

[scenic zinc]

take parts of their backstories and make them intertwined with your ideas

[valid geyser]

id say for worldbuilding try and develop the adventure more than the world itself/keep it at a balance
too much i see campaign listings that just talk about the world or stuff like the creation myth without even really saying what the adventure at hand is about

[scenic zinc]

the backstories they give you are literally gifts that they're telling you "this is what I will definitely care about"

[hidden spindle]

For plot hooks, maybe there's a festival going on and there needs prepping. While at the same time, the guards may be on higher alert due to the festival and busier traffic. Its the ball and there's only one night and there's something magical going on in the forest.

After the night is over, maybe some other things had happened when they didn't attend. Something like that.

[dusty citrus]

Ahhh okay

And skittle Yeah no I’m doing a EXTREMLY basic cult based adventure

[scenic zinc]

I promise you, the players and you will feel the difference between a character made for "any fantasy world" vs your fantasy world.

[dusty citrus]

So like they have to make hard choices?

[hidden spindle]

Pretty much.

Their choices should matter and have some weight

[scenic zinc]

PC actions should impact the world and story in some way, big or small.

For good or ill.

[dusty citrus]

Okay so do I just like say oh would recommend the party has x race(s) x class etc?

[scenic zinc]

I would personally recommend doing a session 0 that includes everyone making their characters together.

[dusty citrus]

Yeah I figured I should have the choices change things

[scenic zinc]

That's what I do for my campaigns.

[hidden spindle]

One trick my wife did was have them all be well established friends

[dusty citrus]

What do I do in a session zero like how do I set those up or do in them

[dusty citrus]

That’s cool

[dusty citrus]

Cause I was initially toying with the idea of starting them off as waking up in a begining/end of a boss fight

In a low level dungeon

[humble cairn]

Ask them to make characters together and have shared history together so they know each other before game starts. I even ask them to help build the world.

[silver dock]

session zero is just a lore infodump and a description of the setting your players will be making characters for

[dusty citrus]

Ah okay that makes sense to both of you

[silver dock]

s0 is there to prevent situations like.. a medieval bard in a futuristic game world

[dusty citrus]

Yeah that makes sense

[scenic zinc]

it's also there to make sure, in general, what the expectations are.

[raw ocean]

I did the casino, gave half of my money to the party warlock and he lost all of it

[scenic zinc]

I mean, it's a warlock.

[dusty citrus]

Like leveling? Or stuff they should have?

[raw ocean]

I did get 20 thousand gold, then immediately spent it on a lot of drugs for experiment purposes

[scenic zinc]

I'm talking at a much higher level than that.

[dusty citrus]

Just for the overall campaigns?

[scenic zinc]

I'm talking about lines & veils, ensuring people know what the tone of the game is going to be, etc

[lavish flame]

No, like "is this the kind of fantasy game where you can be killed?" or "what happens when two characters start fighting? PvP? something else?" things like that

[humble cairn]

Like "is this a combat heavy game? Or an exploration or social game? How often do we get together? What happens if one or more people can't make a game, do we just game without them or cancel?"

[idle oar]

More what's appropriate player and player character behavior and what boundaries the group wants to have and enforce (e.g. maybe the group doesn't want the game to touch on certain topics and so making sure everyone is clear on that). And yeah the tone of the game they want to play.

[dusty citrus]

Ah okay I’ve played as a player but my DMs never did a session 0

[dusty citrus]

Makes sense

[scenic zinc]

that's unfortunate, but you have the opportunity to do better

[dusty citrus]

Indeed so

[silver dock]

All in on 17 black.
(Oh shit, warlock you crazy man)

17 black.
Let it ride.

[humble cairn]

Scheduling issues is the ultimate game killer, try to plan ahead for them in Session 0.

[dusty citrus]

Bet on 0

[dusty citrus]

Okay

Thank yall this all helps me a lot

[raw ocean]

Warlock lost it all on black jack

[dusky flower]

Second session of Strahd. I'm playing a Paladin lvl 2 and one of the players told that, the form that i'm roleplaying my character "is good, but too gay".

[livid cargo]

When you cant use any online dnd map making tools so you just use google slides

[silver dock]

????? thats so weird what

i sure hope once my character's identity is revealed people won't be weirded out

or even worse, maybe actively shun me

[livid cargo]

Ive tried like 5 different map making tools but idk how to use any of them, you know what i can use though? Google slides

Honestly im proud of myself for using slides so effectively

[knotty basin]

If they do, just find a new group

[dusky flower]

He said that he think that because, when i'm playing my character, i say that he's kind and hopes to help anyone in his path, with love, kindness, beauty and laugh

[knotty basin]

Time for a new group

[dusky flower]

A new group? Considering I've only had two sessions, would that be a bit rushed?

[humble cairn]

Wow, big red flag.

[umbral girder]

Someone out here waving red flags and danger signs

[silver dock]

"too gay"

your table miiight be homophobic

(or at least that one player)

[west sail]

Any one here looking to do a Christmas/winter themed campaign cause I have some enemy ideas

[valid geyser]

fruitcake elemental

[west sail]

No I have a few boss ideas

[limber trail]

I mean you could try running one!

[snow agate]

snowman elemental i mean cmon

[valid geyser]

i think a monster made of fruitcake is scarier

[hidden spindle]

Nightmare before Christmas~

[west sail]

I have no siblings that live around me or friends around me so I just share my ideas

[snow agate]

you could rip off the SMT jack frost thing where there's a king snow elemental and a bunch of smaller ones

[west sail]

Smt??

[hidden spindle]

And a sack full of grub

[woven flint]

You.
My enemy.

[lavish flame]

i assume Shin Megami Tensei. Beyond that name, i have no clue

[desert ether]

Hiii

[west sail]

I'm not able to use any of my boss or antagonist ideas people

[glass granite]

Gooooood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup

[west sail]

Hi

[desert ether]

I’m new (obv) but was just wanting to clarify - is this for any specific questions on what to do or whatever? 👀 I had some questions I was wondering about

[craggy summit]

This is just the general chat for dnd talk, there's channels for all kinds of questions

[desert ether]

Ooo I see

[craggy summit]

There's #dnd-rules for general rules, which I assume would cover the most bases

Also there's #dnd-newcomers and there's some links there to help you get started

[glass granite]

Mostly i recommend reading the #channel-guide

[tough drift]

I’m planning to start dming for a group of friends and I want to run an eberron campaign should i buy the roll 20 vtt or the physical book.

[fossil hollow]

physical book id say is better since you can use it even if internet cuts out

[silver dock]

i have a lot of interesting ideas for a story about a war between heaven and hell but idk if i should like start writing the story as if i were writing a book

cause i don't plan on serializing it, it's just a cool little world i made up.

[glass granite]

DM a campaign on it

[valid geyser]

are you running on roll20?

[fair summit]

Well the thing about D&D is that it very much isn't a book, so attempting to plan things out with the idea of what the players "should" do is going to result in them derailing the story the first chance they get, or forcing the DM to railroad them to follow a story 😛

For D&D, it's better to have a good setting and idea for an ongoing plot, but with enough space for the players to actually have an effect on it

[silver dock]

noo i already have established characters

[silver dock]

i don't plan on dming a dnd game based on it

[fair summit]

Ah

[silver dock]

i was just getting insight from this server cause uhm uhh well

idk to be honest!

but what do y'all think without the context of dnd

[tough drift]

Not decided yet

[glass granite]

Seems like an interesting idea with a lot of room for ideas, but I don’t know enough about it yet to say

Btw, help on the setting can be done in #dm-world-building , I know some talented folks there

[silver dock]

lemme think about it for a sec and i'll try to describe it (if anyone in chat actually wants that </3)

[snow agate]

it has been done many times and is a classic but you lack a lot of details so currently i am ambivalent

[thorn phoenix]

Are there any sites that have a bunch of 1 shot sessions? I want to do either a Jurassic park 1 shot or a Book of Mormon 1 shot for my birthday and having a hard time finding information

[silver dock]

it's in a modern fantasy world where demons are kinda just people?? but yk with horns and all that jazz

in this world there's an organization hellbent on their complete eradication... on top of heaven already wanting them gone from the mortal realm

[west sail]

If anyone wants to hear my ideas let me know ok

[silver dock]

even if they're kinda just there, minding their own business and going about their lives

[lyric idol]

Is there a tv head demon?

Maybe a radio one too?

[silver dock]

no

actually i asked one of my friends whom i've been dripfeeding the story to as i thought of it if it was a better plot than hazbin and they said yes

[glass granite]

Are these demons inherently evil?

[silver dock]

no, but angels are pompous racist pricks

[glass granite]

Then that begs the question of why they are labeled as demons at all

[thorn phoenix]

Maybe a list of 1 shot sites? Or film/television themed 1 shots?

[silver dock]

because they're demons

[glass granite]

But if they’re not inherently evil, “demon” wouldn’t have a negative connotation

[silver dock]

it doesn't, really

[glass granite]

We associate demons and devils with evil because to us they actually are

But to the people of the world, in which they are not?

There may need a reason. Maybe the forebearer of demons wronged the angels, maybe they used to be evil but found redemption, etc.

[silver dock]

i should write something down for that

[glass granite]

That is my suggestion, yes

[silver dock]

that seems like a very big plot hole that needs filling, brb

[glass granite]

Hope I was able to help

[silver dock]

you were, ty

[untold pulsar]

Hello, Everyone I'm sorta new to the world of D&D. My friends and I started a campaign last year for college and things happened and we couldn't do it this year. I just want a place I can talk and try to learn more, but also just show off my Oc's and their story's as well as get input back on them. You can call me Luna.

[humble cairn]

Welcome! Check out id:customize so you know which channel to put what thing. Also there's way to change you name for the server if you want it to display 'Luna."

Yeah you use the "/nick" command to change your server nickname.

[glass granite]

Goooood morning afternoon evening, Luna. Pleased to make your acquaintance

For the record, you’re now the third Luna I know on this server

[untold pulsar]

Hello, and you as well. Sorry to join and run, but its 11 at night where I am and I just did my college finals so im very tired. Talk to everyone tomorrow. Also if you cannot get me on this page you are more than welcome to personal message me.

[glass granite]

Cya

[untold pulsar]

you to. Also if luna is to hard fo anyone Just call me by my user name to not get anything mixed up.

[fossil hollow]

(I mean, you can change your server nickname)

[silver dock]

-# i don't really like it when other people compare my story to helluverse because it's not even slightly based on that

[devout leaf]

Anyone down for a one shot?

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[knotty basin]

Is intro to stormwreck isle like a oneshot or what

[untold pulsar]

night bye

[chilly basin]

Ok hear me out

What if a rogue and a ranger were forced to partner up, on the journey they have a hate/love relationship

[rough basalt]

I think so

Stormwreck itself is like 3 to 4 sessions tops depending on how much you play

[atomic kayak]

yes dragons of stormwreck isle is designed as a short starter adventure. Definitely doable as a oneshot

[stuck shuttle]

A love hate relationship can work for any 2 characters, PC or NPC. What’s distinctive about them being a Rogue and Ranger, specifically?

[rough basalt]

even less if you got players paying attention that learn pretty easily

[knotty pasture]

Neat idea but are the Rogue and Ranger meant to be PCs or NPCs

The logistics of this sounds like a lot of effort

[crimson gulch]

Discord tells me I have sent over 22000 messages into this server this year

[fossil hollow]

229,549... in the big 2024

and counting

[rough basalt]

most of my messages this year are here, tho dont remember the number

somewhere between 68,000-70,000 i think

[high mesa]

i have 300k 😔

[knotty basin]

No, not the whole thing

Just the free “intro to stormwreck isle”

Never mind, I just checked and it’s 2 combats

[fossil hollow]

The whole thing is already fit for a oneshot... soooo

[knotty basin]

And the first one is probably going to oneshot any martials in the party

Who thought a merrow was a good idea to put in a starter set

[rough basalt]

Based honestly

Smack new players down hard

[fossil hollow]

Icespire literally throws a Manticore against level 1s. Either that or my party was unlucky. We defeated it with dancing lights (cat and lazer pointer)

[rough basalt]

Nah pretty sure that's the intended encounter

[fossil hollow]

it was great. The rogue had time to loot while me (paladin) and wizard took care of it. Fun times.

[knotty basin]

Are there any starter-friendly oneshots for free, and if so where?

[hearty bay]

Artificer feels overwhelming

[fossil hollow]

Peril in something something is a pretty good one

[knotty basin]

Thanks, I’ll go look up peril in something something

[fossil hollow]

I think its pinebrook

Peril in Pinebrook?

[cinder timber]

Would you guys remove a player if you don't like their PC?

[silver dock]

this may be a hot take but i would rather a game not let me reload a save file after completion than put me back to before i defeated the final boss when i went to keep playing afterward

[fossil hollow]

id ask them to replace the PC firt before kicking them

[humble cairn]

Are you the DM? Did you have a Session 0 where you approved this PC? What is the dislike?

[cinder timber]

Okay, sounds like I am doing the nuclear option!

[cinder timber]

Yes, I am the DM

[fossil hollow]

what?

[humble cairn]

It does sound like your first thought was the nuclear option and maybe you should consider something less drastic, yes.

But tbf, we lack context.

[hearty bay]

Is inquisitive somewhat of a weak start for melee artificer, or is it good to go?

[humble cairn]

Inquisitive is not an artificer subclass.

[woven flint]

What

[hearty bay]

I mean the background

Would it work well for a melee (most likely armored) artificer build?

[undone fable]

I love that. I played both and I appreciate that dynamic

[undone fable]

is that a rogue subclass?

[cinder timber]

I liked the theory of the pc not the application of it. If that makes sense.

[humble cairn]

So did you have a Session 0 where you approved this PC but it's not turning out how you anticipated it?

[full hornet]

HI!

[hearty bay]

I kinda know which species and subclass I wanna do for artificer, but I can't quite understand what they'd want for a background

[cinder timber]

Yeah!

[tough drift]

Does the roll 20 vtt eberron bundle include a pdf for eberron rising from the last war?

[umbral girder]

No clue. What does the bundle say?

This isn’t a roll20 server so we can’t say for certain.

[snow agate]

Tbh it sounds like you should just tell them what it is you’re worried about and ask about where their vision lies with it

[umbral girder]

I think Roll20 has a server that can help, or a support team.

[humble cairn]

And what is it about the character you don't like?

[crimson gulch]

Split the atoms

[cinder timber]

I'm just not great with chaotic characters. Im a noob.

[humble cairn]

Can you describe what you dislike about the character, please?

But it does sound like a new Session 0 to discuss things is the solution.

[limber trail]

I think as always, the best option is to not talk to a random group of strangers who have no context. Talk to the player, come to an understanding

The only voices that matter for this conversation are yours and your players. You all know your table.

[latent panther]

Never be afraid to have a 1-on-1 with your DM if you need help or if you wanna change something about your character. Communication is key to a fun game.

Also hi, I'm new here.

[full hornet]

ANDY mentioned

unfortunately watched like 5 videos on that game in the last week

[latent panther]

I'm glad my pfp could make some heads turn lol

Here's an example. I was part of a DnD game where I wanted to plan a blaze of glory style death for a character I was playing because I wanted to play a new one. Keep in mind, I had been playing Character One for six months. I wanted to go from a Blue Dragonborn Barbarian to a Warforged Samurai, and that blaze of glory gave me an in-game and out of game reason to make the swap. I discussed it with the DM to see if she was cool with it and we planned out everything together. Of course we kept it a secret from the rest of the group so it could have more impact, and everyone loved how it went down.

[raw ocean]

DM is letting us make up some combo moves between party members, life is going good

[silver dock]

are combo moves just
Bros. Attacks from the Mario & Luigi series

[fossil hollow]

what

[umbral girder]

Team attacks I get it

[somber mountain]

hey i need help does wild campanion increase cr or size at level 6 druid

[umbral girder]

Wild companion? You mean find familiar?

No it’s just the same last I checked.

[fossil hollow]

it lets you cast Find Familiar using a Wildshape use. Thats it

[somber mountain]

ah okay and thank you

[umbral girder]

Yeah it’s not a Beast Master Companion

[fossil hollow]

getting the urge to run another campaign

[latent panther]

I'm having withdrawals from a lack of playing

[gentle leaf]

anyone else find Astral Projection kinda.. weak as a 9th level Necromancy spell?

[umbral girder]

Nah

[latent panther]

Every time I hear Astral Projection, I keep hearing Grog going, "Your ass what?"

[timber drift]

tcoaal? Haven't seen that in a while

[umbral girder]

Its main benefit is because you can choose to end it early (per the PHB on spell duration ) with no actions required.

So you could mess with someone while Astral projecting and when things get bad you can just end it immediately and just rest where ever in the plane you are

[raw ocean]

If it makes enough sense it shall go, even if it's against RAW

[umbral girder]

Ehh

[raw ocean]

Its my DM's campaign ruling, completely opinion based, nothing to be said.

We are level 17 so it's just something to add some variety to combat.

[umbral girder]

Sounds like a DM issue if they need that to make combat have more variety

[raw ocean]

We have plenty, the DM just suggested it if we wanted to try something new.

All of the players found it interesting so we agreed.

Thank you for your opinion.

[charred saddle]

I play alot of the old “D&D Online” MMO and I gotta say it's the core of how I think about the game as a whole now and the use case of so many things when I then get to the table.

[jovial badger]

hey

[glass granite]

Bales

[jovial badger]

youre always online bro 🥀

[glass granite]

No, I’m Nugget

And I think we just have the same online times

[jovial badger]

gmt+8

[bronze walrus]

after about a year of contemplations and unsuccesfully learning DnD, i have come to a conclusion; i am dum :3

[jovial badger]

real

we've all been there

[bronze walrus]

buuuuut i also figured out how to fix this;

HomebrewMaxxing

cuz it turns out that i understand the powersystem of JJK to a ridicilous UNHEALTHY degree, so im 90% sure i could just translate it into the DnD format

so i wanted to ask if yall got any tips, before i create this abomination?

hol on lemme reread the rules rq, i havent been active in this server in months, so i dont wanna break any rules on accident

[glass granite]

GMT + 10

And also, i really don’t recommend homebrewing the game majorly if you do not understand how the rules works

They also don’t always translate very well

[red steppe]

Nerf binding vow spam pls (I hate Sukuna)

[hot reef]

There are better systems to start with (and systems that are already pretty much there)

[bronze walrus]

tru

we dont want another King of Frauds

[bronze walrus]

thats probably true, but i have studies the system to such a degree that i now have it permamently etched into my brain, to the point im already able to visualize what it could look like if DnDified

but still ty :D

[hot reef]

D&D fits everything.

[bronze walrus]

i think the most complicated part will be barrier & innate techniques

[bronze walrus]

that explains why warhammer 40k dnd exists lol

[red steppe]

"Ah yes, my anti-full casters technique, I haven't used it since the heian era"

[bronze walrus]

dangit, dont got gif perms

[hot gate]

Ah, nobody does. They are deliberately disabled to make the channels more readable.

[knotty pasture]

Flavoring is free and not everything needs to be a replica of JJK in your homebrew system

[bronze walrus]

swag

[final dawn]

Hi

[pearl hedge]

just had an idea for a homebrew spell for clerics and paladins

Stormwind - 1st level spell slot
V, S
Pushes back enemies in a 10 foot cone radius 5 feet dealing 1d6 damage. Upcast increases range and push distance by 5 feet per level, +1d6 damage per upcast.

[silver dock]

it'd be really funny if a dm silently slipped pieces of Exodia, The Forbidden One into a Deck of Many Things

[pearl hedge]

isn't that a yugioh card

[silver dock]

yes but it is a card

[pearl hedge]

ITS NOT D&D RELATED

GO PLAY MTG

[silver dock]

heh, what a buzzkill amirite guys?
-# [deafening cricket noises followed by a guy coughing]

[pearl hedge]

no one is here to save you

[royal creek]

Exodia

[viral rain]

I know its not an updated item, but would you say Bracer of Flying Daggers counts as a Magic Action to use?

And would those daggers count as real daggers with Mastery?

[royal creek]

Sherma is better. Sherma solos Hornet and all the pale beings fr fr

[tough sandal]

Sherma is a Bard/Cleric Multiclass.

[royal creek]

Sherma is love Sherma is life. In Sherma we trust

She’d probably be like… fighter/rouge or smth

[still plover]

Mastery definitely counts. Looking at other items in 24 that have a similar effect I'd lean towards yes, you could use Fast Hands to make it a bonus action but your own DM has to make that call.

Examples I looked at were the Bag of Tricks and Bead of Force.

[stiff jewel]

How come there are items that make strength or Constitution, or Intelligence 19, that aren't even rare items, but no item that does the same for any of the other three? As far as I know anyway

[lyric viper]

Not in 5e, but could borrow from older editions: cloak of charisma, belt of dexterity, periapt of wisdom

I wonder if this is because they based items on Ad&D. I think some were introduced later

[stiff jewel]

Good idea!

[soft hare]

Hey fellas
Can a rogue be a tank?
I mean
A rogue that hauls a ton of gold and valuables with each and every heist and robber they do
Surely he could be a semi tank

[void crown]

me and the dungeon master our first time playing dnd i accidentally tame a dragon i don't know that is even allowed i was doing a kids quest about finding his sheep i go deeper to the forest to see the dragon trying to eat the sheep i give it my food also im dragonborn i said i mean no harm if you become my companion i'll give you food and you don't need to hunt food ever again did i break a rule

[glass granite]

Define “tank”

[glass granite]

Did your DM allow it?

If yes, you didn’t break a rule. If no, you did.

[void crown]

he doesn't know what to do we stop the session there

[glass granite]

That type of stuff is DM’s discretion, so we can’t say definitively if he broke a rule or not

[soft hare]

Big buff guy

[glass granite]

Sure

Heck, rogue barbarians are a thing.

[soft hare]

Yay

[soft hare]

Oooo

First time I've heard of such thing

[glass granite]

Well, really only in 2024

[soft hare]

My bad

I'm not really good with this stuff

[glass granite]

Hi not really good with this stuff, I’m Nugget

And dw, no need to apologise

[glass granite]

But anyway, yes. You can definitely be a rogue and be a big buff guy

[soft hare]

Hehehe

Hi Nugget

[void crown]

can i tame a young dragon using my charisma

[glass granite]

That’s up to the DM

[void crown]

ok

[soft hare]

Does that grant me a bigger health pool compared to a regular rogue?

[glass granite]

With the multiclass yes
Without, You’d have to take the tough feat

[soft hare]

I'll see what I can get

[orchid bluff]

can we play dnd guys

[reef tundra]

#find-a-game is the place to find games to join and play

[jovial badger]

wym

overrated stats:

health
AC
strength

[reef tundra]

You sound like a wizard

[jovial badger]

sorcerer*

[reef tundra]

I’ve killed many of them in my time

[jovial badger]

you fight other players?

i only fight goblins and rats in my campaign

[reef tundra]

I’m a DM

[jovial badger]

oh

whats more fun in your opinion

[reef tundra]

Both have a different kind of fun

[orchid bluff]

will byers

[jovial badger]

idk my dm (math teacher in his 40s) says hes lf a dm for him to play with but hes the forever dm in our group

[reef tundra]

I like both

[idle oar]

Please use the Looking For Game channels to organize/solicit for a D&D game. It's off-topic outside of those channels.
See #find-a-game for more information on how to use those channels.

[jovial badger]

luv u mod

[jovial badger]

whats your fav char youve made to play?

[idle oar]

Dragonborn wild magic sorcerer (with 3 levels of paladin) that made it all the way up to level 20
That was an amazing campaign (great group, great DM, lots of fun).

[jovial badger]

sounds fun! why do you like wild magic?

[idle oar]

I as the player enjoyed the silly randomness of it

The other players in the campaign also enjoyed it.

Silliness like having your gold dragonborn sorc turn blue because of a wild magic surge

[jovial badger]

my fav char i made was an aarakocra monk

[rough basalt]

Mine was a tie between my aasimar sword bard and high elf evoker

[glass granite]

Mine was a human elements monk

[reef tundra]

Changeling paladin of vengeance

[hidden spindle]

Lawful Good, Human Hermit, STR-based Thief Rogue.

[still plover]

Lady Reylana Ilphelkiir De Vor, the travelling arcanist. Go ahead and guess her class.

[snow agate]

do you guys ever look at other peoples backstories and you're like "oh..."

[still plover]

Like, you worry yours isn't as good as theirs? Forget about it. Past is prologue. The play's the thing.

[snow agate]

no, i mean reading it and being like "man i thought people could write"

[still plover]

Oh, right! Well, not everyone is on the same level there. As long as it's coherent and carries the relevant details, it'll do.

[loud tendon]

To some folks having just a few sentences is enough (and as long as player and DM can work off that, it totally is) - you dont always need paragraphs of backstory to play an effective and meaningful character at a table. 🙂

[still plover]

Three Sentence Backstory, my beloved.

[hidden spindle]

I "usually" don't have any back story but an idea that works with my character's background. But I work with my DM to really build into their world.

[loud tendon]

Beginning. Middle. End. Chef's kiss. 😉

[reef tundra]

Sometimes a player sends me a backstory and I just have to take a day or two to process it

[still plover]

I'll come up with the core concepts but leave blanks, then work with a DM to see how that fits with the setting, get the specifics down in consultation.

[hidden spindle]

Yup. It makes easing into their world a lot easier.

[rough basalt]

As long as the backstory clearly isn't AI generated I don't really care too much how simple it is

I don't use backstories that much anyway

[snow agate]

i really wasnt talking about length or complexity i was talking about it not making sense, or having plot holes, or being unengaging

[lavish flame]

I usually start with bullet points as backstory and then flesh those out in paragraphs as need arises

[late kraken]

Hello!

[charred saddle]

Well see if you can actually feed a dragon that would be a tough task in and of itself.

So a dragon will eat more based on the size, and amount of rest they get.

A companion is not “tame” but Let's assume the dragon does not care and food is its goal.

Dragons can consume half their body weight of meat in a day without getting fat.

[rough basalt]

Also the matter that Dragons are as smart as people at the very least

So it wouldn't be taming as much as making a partnership.

[gentle leaf]

So

Magic Jar to become Kenjaku challenge

[late kraken]

But taming can definetly be making a partnership, many people do thtat and succeed. (I now that's their campaign, btut also do take into consideration while that you and the other person say that dragons are large, tough and smart; humans are also that. Dragons can definitely be smarter than humans, but all of this depends on what character you are using/what dragon you are facing.)

But yeah it is good to say that taming a dragon partner or not is pretty hard

a D15 may not do much

[rough basalt]

Well even the dumbest dragon subspecies has the average intelligence of an average person

That'd be whites and you could probably make a deal with one if you're capable of keeping it fed.

As most Whites only care about eating and sleeping

[charred saddle]

50 percent of people are dumber than average too…

[rough basalt]

Im talking DnD commoners

[charred saddle]

Im talking about how averages work

[rough basalt]

Our averages and a DnD world's averages aren't quite the same too much.

[charred saddle]

D6s provide the same random bell curve for distribution

[charred saddle]

10 would likely be a “100” mean in the distribution of a set of stats rolled from 3d6 and would average to that.

If we look at the curve in points beyond the 10 or under the 10, it won't equate in standard deviation brackets. So we have to then assume that 3 minimum role is 0 because you can't be functional to be evaluated and hit 0 by not being collectedin data. And 17 on the other end would be the 1% or less rarity.

It makes sense that the adventurer standard array would make them the best in 100 or more considering there may be a bias of being able to handle the job the class has.

It is not just smarts, but any ability point stat. We just can't map the linear points of d&d to real world without an exponential function for each stat.

[violet basin]

Followed by a resounding, sarcastic, enthusiastic,"Ahem. No."
?

[reef tundra]

Exactly

I still shudder at the memory of some backstories players have wanted

[violet basin]

Lol

[lavish flame]

I once got a player who wanted to join a campaign with a backstory that was almost word for word another character's backstory. They did this without consulting one another or even knowing the other PC's backstory. I sadly had to tell the second player "Change that pls" and they came back with something even cooler.

[violet basin]

I'm proud of myself that none of my backstories have been truly awful.

[hearty bay]

How well do melee artificer builds fare? I've been wondering if they can match/surpass a pact of the blade warlock in melee eficiency

[charred saddle]

That is why I make people roll for stats down the list, we go over the whole life they would have had prior to gaining the first class lv, then we do a personal session 0 to Lv 3 as the backstory to Lv 3 be for the character joins the party. That way they are invested in the world, then the 3 lvs of plot that bring each party member together are much better to get them in to a team.

[hearty bay]

Since I know that, while they might have a lower damage output, they can stack their AC higher without multiclassing

[charred saddle]

Ac on artificer is really good tbh they are good tanks.

As for dmg, that is a n issue for #optimization

[undone fable]

my favorite character i played is human swarmkeeper

[delicate roost]

huh, do sorcerers not get anything at level 9 anymore? im looking at avalible at higher levels and they go from 8 to 12 with nothing in between for features or gains.

[lavish flame]

My fav character thus far has been a Fire Golisth Monk (Ascendant Dragon)

[lavish flame]

they get 5th level spells

[reef tundra]

I see that with quite a few full casters, they can just go several levels without any big features, although gaining higher level spells helps

[lavish flame]

they've never gotten a 9th level class feature

[delicate roost]

i mean that when im looking at the progresion on dnd beyond. tehy get something at level 8 then nothing again until level 12

i guess i meant level 10. the metamagic feature isnt appearing on dnd beyond character creator. which must be a bug or something

[humble cairn]

They get access to 5th level spells, but that's it.

[crimson gulch]

Level 9 5th level spells
Level 10 metamagic option
Level 11 6th level spells

[delicate roost]

Ah. Okay. so if i level up to level 10 it does let me add the metamagic options. However, when you look at the builder it just doesnt have it listed as a future feature or anything. It threw me off.

[sleek cloud]

It states that you gain features at certain levels when you look at the metamagic feature description at level 2

[delicate roost]

Im reading that now. I was just thrown off a little as when building my sorcerer, i clicked the level progrsesion tab down to look at features i would get and it went from level 8 to 12 and was not listing anything in between, making my think something was missing. rather than the feature being displayed, it is nested into the original metamagic tab

[crimson gulch]

The dnd beyond charicter builder does a poor job of teaching you a lot I find

[delicate roost]

I know just enough about 5th edition to be a hazard to myself 😄

[fiery nimbus]

I guess it is not great at teaching but it is also not designed for this

though having a build in tutorial shouldn't be that hard to do, not that they will ever do it

@crimson gulch so dear pro Dm, what would you do if a character with 9 AC played at your table

[delicate roost]

I went from 3rd edition and a touch of 3.5 being the last time i got to play dnd due to life's chaos, then finally got to play again um..like starting a few months ago

[limber oriole]

I’m not Urizt but i’d say probably advise them to get some armour

[marble lion]

Wizard with minus dex?

[crimson gulch]

Run the game and let the dice tell the story, dex dump caster without mage armor?

[fiery nimbus]

aye, dex dump caster without any armor, not that mage armor would help

[scenic gyro]

I’ve got a 10 AC wizard who has survived to level 17 👀

[marble lion]

It would

[crimson gulch]

Mage armor would make it 12

[delicate roost]

Shield gives you a 5 temporarily

[marble lion]

Well id actually say the dm might wanna let them know thats a pretty low ac for someone with d6 hit dice but its their choice in the end

[crimson gulch]

Regardless though, player charicters die all the time in my games, 6 deaths this September, 5 in October, 1 in November and its a new month now

[limber oriole]

I mean just yesterday in a campaign i’m in two PCs died

[reef tundra]

I haven’t outright killed many players, but if you could ask them, they’d tell you I run very deadly games

[fiery nimbus]

and what do you do with the players after their character dies? do you finish the job?

[fiery nimbus]

PLAYERS? oh no

[delicate roost]

I could totally work with a character with that low of an AC. just gotta utilize your meat shields. i mean fellow companions

[fiery nimbus]

I made myself a Warlock with 9 AC and im kind of figuring out how to keep it alive

[reef tundra]

I definitely slaughter NPCs a lot

[marble lion]

Using meatshields only works if the dm allows it to happen

[limber oriole]

That sounds awful

[fiery nimbus]

There is some difference between killing players and player characters

for once the first one is illegal

[scenic gyro]

Mine survives by staying out of the way and using spells that make the front line martials a bigger problem for the monsters to worry about.

[delicate roost]

Keep yourself positioned behind everyone in combat, utilize spells that push back, slow or generally keep things away from you. focus on shutting combat down rather than damage

[reef tundra]

Potato potata

[reef tundra]

I am the law

[fiery nimbus]

as a genie warlock i do have 2 tools to help me

Crusher Feat
Tomb of Levistus and Genie Vessel

[crimson gulch]

Usually we all go home after having a good time

[fiery nimbus]

oh so you let them live, @reef tundra could learn a thing of two from you

[marble lion]

No

Its not a death if they dont die

[reef tundra]

I learn nothing

[marble lion]

Only the players who kept their character up get the antidote at the end of the evening

[fiery nimbus]

You should, we really can't afford that many corpse pick ups every session

[humble cairn]

Extra fun when the poison is hallucinogenic.

[fiery nimbus]

But yea i made myself a warlock with 9 AC and throw away story and will try to keep em alive

[buoyant oar]

I would say that it's fun to kill players but my closet is getting a bit full.

Great for Halloween decor tho.

[fiery nimbus]

Every family have some skeletons in their closet, some even take the saying literally

[delicate roost]

Can confirm skelletons take up a lot of space to store. even just the plastic ones

[rough basalt]

If players cancel too much, it turns into a Jigsaw game

"Play or die. Make your choice."
The guy who joins dnd groups just to not show up to sessions: nooo

[fiery nimbus]

I know a group that has this problem but with the DM instead

Every single player shows up every week
DM doesnt

[eager marsh]

Funny thought. Choosing Nystul’s Magic Aura as your spell mastery lv2 spell and arbitrarily changing the creature and magic type of everything everywhere on a whim to mess with everyone

[rough basalt]

I've had one of those dms before

As a player or DM, dude just would not show up

[cinder timber]

that used to be me ngl

[fiery nimbus]

i prefer Scribe Wizards casting Bludgeoning Fireball

Funny enough, Bludgeoning Fireball is still magical so it does bypass resistances to non magical damage

[marble lion]

Can you really cast bludgeon fireball?

[fiery nimbus]

Yes, what would prevent you from bludgeoning people with a 3rd level spell "fireball"?

[marble lion]

Im not familiar with a feature that lets you

[crimson gulch]

There generally is only resistance to BPS from non magical weapons, not thr damage type itself, in the 2014 rules

[fiery nimbus]

Scribe Wizard can change the damage type of their spells provided they have a different spell that does this type of damage on appropriate spell level

[crimson gulch]

Where's in the 2024 monster manual, ghosts and other things are just resistant to all bludgeoning piercing and slashing

[marble lion]

And it doesnt specify it has to be elemental types?

[fiery nimbus]

So for example if you want a Bludgeoning Fireball you need Erupting Earth

[marble lion]

Fire poison cold lightning uhhh one more

[lavish flame]

acid and kinda thunder

[marble lion]

That sounds cool. I didnt think that worked

[fiery nimbus]

"When you cast a wizard spell with a spell slot, you can temporarily replace its damage type with a type that appears in another spell in your spellbook, which magically alters the spell’s formula for this casting only. The latter spell must be of the same level as the spell slot you expend."

[marble lion]

Wow

[rough basalt]

So long as you got a bludgeoning damage spell

[fiery nimbus]

Correct, in case of Bludgeoning people with fireball, you need Erupting Earth or Tidal Wave

[lavish flame]

Maximillian's Earthen Grasp/Bigby's Hand to the rescue

[fiery nimbus]

I... am not familiar with either of those

[marble lion]

You dont know bigbys hand?

I thought that one was universally known

[lavish flame]

ah, Bigby's Hand does Force nvm

[fiery nimbus]

also one is 2nd level spell and other is 5th level spell so neither of them can switch damage types with fireball

[heavy tulip]

hello

[rough basalt]

Catapult also

[lavish flame]

they make hands. Maximilian's Earthen Grasp makes a hand out of soil to do a lil damage. Bigby's Hand makes a hand that can fly and lift very heavy things

[fiery nimbus]

never seen it, its a 5th level spell so rarely anyone can cast it

[lavish flame]

we're talking about fireball?

[fiery nimbus]

yes Bludgeoning Fireball

as one does

[rough basalt]

Catapult is 1st level which does bludgeoning so there's that

[fiery nimbus]

yes, and Fireball is 3rd level so they can't get bludgeoning from that one

only Erupting Earth or Tidal Wave can supplement the blundgeoning to fireball

[hidden spindle]

If you upcast Fireball, you could use different level Spells

[fiery nimbus]

that is fair enough

[placid sand]

Im new to dnd how does one go about making a character

[reef tundra]

#dnd-newcomers are better at guiding new players

[placid sand]

Thx

[fiery nimbus]

i did use to send people Crap Guide to character sheet, still think its one of the more entertaining ways to interduce someone to DND

[reef tundra]

It’s not a good guide 😭

[crimson gulch]

Joe cat is a jem, I learned so much from those videos

[fiery nimbus]

Its a great guide

[hot gate]

It's all vibes, which can certainly work for some people.

[marble lion]

I watched that stuff when i was new

It had its use

[eager marsh]

Spell Mastery is the at will all wizards get at lv 18 so fireball isnt a choice silly

[fiery nimbus]

not every wizard can bludgeon people with their fireballs

[eager marsh]

No they can't. But I shill scribe enough as is

[hidden spindle]

That was something I learned early in about 2 months of learning 5e about "Necromancer". Every Wizard can learn Animate Dead.

[gentle leaf]

Sure, but the subclass is going to do it better

Especially 5.5e

Which is VASTLY superior to 5e’s

[eager marsh]

Yea anyone can cast animate dead, but not everyone gets the bonuses and enhancements. that's true of every wizard specialist

[rough basalt]

Necromancy as a school can suffer a bit in players hands imo

[young drift]

Let's say i add John Marston from rdr as a boss encounter and play his theme song when my players fight him, will that be a good idea?

[hidden spindle]

Sounds like a good idea

-# Who is John Marston...

[simple cradle]

Main character of Red Dead Redemption.

[rough basalt]

A game franchise about the end of the wild west to put it broadly

Johns the MC of the 1st game and a side character in the 2nd (prequel)

[sleek cloud]

The sequel probably the best single player story I’ve ever played

[rough basalt]

Could probably fit him in an eberron game sort of

[undone fable]

Sequels? whats dat?

[sleek cloud]

My bad, rdr2 is what I mean. But back to dnd

[undone fable]

I wanna play dnd as the party's ranger. unless someone else is a ranger

[hidden spindle]

I never understood why parties feel they could not be the same class as another

[shy stirrup]

The Dungeon Dudes actually have a neat series where they examine, what if the party was all the same class? And go through each of the classes in turn

[limber trail]

I do t think I it’s that they can’t, it’s moreso just to avoid stepping on each others toes.

[still plover]

I'd be game for it. Not as a surprise, this is a pitch and Session Zero chargen activity. Be interesting to see how folk distinguish themselves.

And yes I am enamoured of the notion of a party of warlocks all "simultaneously" laying waste with eldritch blasts, if you were curious.

[undone fable]

1 hexblade warlock, 19 swarmkeeper ranger, human with res:con

or was it piercer

[meager fractal]

Me and my friends did this in BG3 at one point (well it was 3 warlocks and 1 ranger with spike growth) and we had a blast (literally!) shoving people around the map.

[rough basalt]

I probably couldn't

Even just being the same class as one other dude feels weird to me

[limber trail]

Maybe short term but I think the fun about DnD, for me at least, is everyone being unique and getting to stand out so I wouldn’t enjoy it for much longer than a one shot

[rough basalt]

A one shot yeah

[halcyon forum]

ehh its fine unless you step on each others toes in other ways.

played in a group with two artificers for years and we do cover different roles in the party

[limber trail]

One shot you’re right, sorry I’m not thinking correctly Rn

[halcyon forum]

like, if you do the Peacemaker meme "He does everything I do" "But better", then its probably not a lot of long term fun

but you can totally differentiate builds within the same class

[limber trail]

Some classes are better suited to it than others

Funnily enough, I could see warlock being great at that

Which every class can do tbf

[halcyon forum]

like if you have 4 clerics for example, which is probably one of the more "samey" classes, you can still focus one on utility, one on blasting, one on control and one on support and everyone plays differently enough

[knotty pasture]

Bonus points if they worship gods that could be at odds with each other

A Gruumsh Cleric, a Moradin Cleric, a Mystra Cleric, a Shar Cleric

[humble cairn]

Theological debate of the week

[halcyon forum]

everyone agrees to merc the Shar cleric lol

[shy stirrup]

Note, of course, that even if you have 4 PCs all of the same class, you're obviously going to want to specialize as best you can with subclasses, backgrounds, feats, equipment, etc, but if you do that, no reason a same-class party can't work

[knotty pasture]

Shar Cleric offers temporary truce to Grummsh by spreading lies about how Moradin stole their best bottle of ale

[meager fractal]

It's probably in the best interests of everyone. Even the Gruumsh Cleric.

[halcyon forum]

yeah Gruumsh is gross, but Shar is just bad news

[knotty pasture]

Mystra convinces Grummsh that Shar's lying, fails the persuasion check, now Grummsh feels like Mystra's full of crap too

[rough basalt]

Fighter would do well to have everyone be unique as well

Considering the addition of masteries that is

[halcyon forum]

fighter is heavily reliant on subclass to differentiate everyone imo

[meager fractal]

Champion Fighter party

[knotty pasture]

You say that but 5/9 Fighter subclasses have something to do with knighthood

So they may as well be knighty in some way

[rough basalt]

You could argue the same with cleric

[halcyon forum]

thematically, sure but I mean like: magic, utility, mobility, save effects

[rough basalt]

Since cleric at its base has several go tos

[halcyon forum]

Ehh I think cleric can do it with spell selection alone pretty well

but subclass helps

[rough basalt]

Couple clerics run guiding bolt while the other two run guiding bolt but don't tell them

[knotty pasture]

Wdym our team of four Clerics can't all just pack Guidance?!?!

[humble cairn]

An all Wizard party would ... be poor, let's be fair ... but they'd also all kind of converge into similar builds because they would all want to do the smart thing and share spells with each other.

[halcyon forum]

all wizards has a some glaring weaknesses yeah

[knotty pasture]

Four Wizards would just create some kind of hellscape with their aoe and call it a day

[rough basalt]

The cleric base spell list is kinda just too focused on a few certain spells

[knotty pasture]

Packs utility too cuz of stuff like knock and all

[halcyon forum]

some can be patched with feats/species but not all

[rough basalt]

Guiding Bolt, Spirit Guardians

[knotty pasture]

Four Rogues is genuinely tough if its combat focused

[rough basalt]

Hell guiding bolt is as powerful as it is cause Cleric doesn't have many attack options

[knotty pasture]

Who's going to frontline and take the brunt of things and not use Sneak Attack for the sake of everyone?

[halcyon forum]

ehh I dont think that is true for a cleric party. multiple SG are dimishing return so you can get more value with other spells

[rough basalt]

That's the point

[humble cairn]

Everyone can use Steady Aim, though?

[rough basalt]

The other spells aren't really as valuable

[shy stirrup]

Full playlist of the Dungeon Dudes "What if Everyone Plays" series, if interested:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5JaZTCktCnRZtO2y7tgyKNnPNxzVdfTk

[rough basalt]

Which is where Subclass spells come in

[knotty pasture]

It is an optional feature, but Steady Aim... Huh, Steady Aim does give auto Sneak Attacks right?

[halcyon forum]

its not that the other spells are bad though, SG is just oppressively overtuned

[knotty pasture]

I never thought of it that way before even though it makes perfect sense

[humble cairn]

Unless you start out with Disadv.

[rough basalt]

They're not really good either

Like most are fine, but a few just aren't worth the slot

[meager fractal]

there really ought to be a tanky Rogue subclass

[rough basalt]

Like I'd rather the Light cleric just throw fireballs than use Beacon of Hope

[humble cairn]

Swashbuckler is for certain definition of tanky.

You want to 1v1 with enemies in melee and you can make them focus their attention on you rather than your allies.

[meager fractal]

yeah I forgot about Swashbuckler lol

[rough basalt]

Clerics just don't have many attack damage options from 1st to 3rd level so their few ones they do are very powerful

[humble cairn]

I love Swashbuckler! My favorite character was one.

[atomic kayak]

Clerics, Bards, Druids, and Rogues would generally have the best time for solo class parties

[rough basalt]

They got inflict wounds, guiding bolt, spirit weapon and spirit guardians

[knotty pasture]

Swash is a tiny bit MAD but its not too bad

[humble cairn]

I multiclassed to make it SAD.

[halcyon forum]

honestly, outside of 1-2 dedicated blasters, the other clerics can get by with just doing control/support and true strike

[knotty pasture]

Rogue is a hard one if it doesn't have Steady Aim

[rough basalt]

As for control and support it'd be sort of dependent on sub as well

[humble cairn]

Luckily they made Steady aim part of default Rogue in 2024.

[rough basalt]

Control moreso than support

Since clerics few control spells early on aren't that crazy and situational

Command being the exception

Like Blindness is a con save so it'd be campaign dependent on if that spell is useful

Hold Person is only Humanoids

Don't get me wrong, clerics can be different but Subclass will have a say in it

[knotty pasture]

Peace Twilight Light Order sounds positively disgusting in a good way

Order and Twilight can afford to stay in front

[halcyon forum]

Id probably go for something like:

Life, Light, Knowlege and Trickery to cover my bases

[rough basalt]

Yeah that'd probably have the least amount of toestepping

[meager fractal]

Blindness doesn't require concentration. That surprised me the other night

[rough basalt]

But if you're agreeing to all cleric you're gonna acknowledge someone gets to be the dedicated SG

And everyone throwing guiding bolts isn't bad

[halcyon forum]

Life or light seems like a good fit

[rough basalt]

It's like LR warlock

[halcyon forum]

for dedicated SG

[rough basalt]

Instead of EB everyone's throwing GB

The Shambling Mound when 4 level 3 clerics all summon spiritual weapon: "Oh no."

[halcyon forum]

I' probably go easy on the GB. True strike is not that far off in terms of damage

and you rather use the spell slots for stuff like healing word, command, bless etc

[rough basalt]

Well when you have that many clerics, you got slots to spare

Probably best to assign everyone a certain spell to focus on

[meager fractal]

GB?

[rough basalt]

Life does the HWs and Bless's
Light does the Bolts and Aoes
Knowledge does Bolts, and Command.
Trickery does Bolts and PWT

[meager fractal]

Oh guiding bolt

[atomic kayak]

I believe that the all cleric party ive played in was Trickery, Life, Light, and Arcana (mightve been knowledge, was a while ago)

I was the Life cleric

[humble cairn]

I still have Sorcerer, Cleric, and Artificer to try.

[atomic kayak]

All artificer and sorc would also be quite good

[humble cairn]

Cleric hasn't ever really seemed that interesting to me, but I gotta try every class at least once.

[atomic kayak]

< still hasn't played a 5e wizard (nor do I have any plans to)

[rough basalt]

All class thing would also need some structure
Take turns doing skill checks or decide by rolls sort of thing

[atomic kayak]

Its just. So boring I cant will myself to want to

[atomic kayak]

? Wym

[vale sage]

in a fantasy setting what are some near always profitable businesses?
like making funeral services
magic stuff selling
hmm i kinda want to make a list

[hot gate]

Selling stuff to adventurers is probably quite profitable. They tend to have money.

The healing potion business is surely booming.

[rough basalt]

Well when you're all the same thing, you run into the everyone can do the same thing.
And it can be very boring to be left out of parts of the game cause you gotta roll IRL initiative for that skill check

This goes for usual parties too tho

[vale sage]

alchemy would be in the magic stuff selling area

[rough basalt]

When there's more than one Charisma caster for example

Charisma classes is like a ground war to get to do skill checks
Only the loudest survive

[eager marsh]

just be intelligent. that almost never overlaps in D&D groups

[rough basalt]

True

[eager marsh]

This message brought to you by the Shadow Wizard Money Gang

[rough basalt]

Wisdom has a lot of checks that are either done as a group or dms let multiple people roll so it sits in the middle

Like just cause someone is rolling insight doesn't mean your character also wouldn't be suspicious and also roll it.

[eager marsh]

Being Strenth usually doesnt overlap as much either since dexterity is strictly 'better' outside athletics needs

insight is also your gut feeling and proves nothing to anyone

[shy stirrup]

Depends on your definition of "fantasy setting" and how far or close it is to the pre-industrial setting most games of D&D are presumed to use, but simply put take a medieval economy and add magical elements - your alchemists, your magic items shop etc

[rough basalt]

Strength usually suffers from ignoring rules or letting people use Dexterity for everything

[eager marsh]

I had to explain to a player before that insight isnt a lie detector and they still had no proof the other guy was lying

[atomic kayak]

In theory but you can pretty easily make an all class party (with 4 people anyway) where people mostly don't do the same things (especially in regards to skills)

Every class gets enough skill options for there to be little to no overlap

[vale sage]

elder scrolls setting
cyrodil post uh oblivion crisis
I own a mine which is pretty neat and I have magical means to sense certain stuffs
problem is paying so many workers to mine and such
Owning something that's not super high maintenance but makes money sounds nice

[hidden spindle]

That's a good way to put it.

Its similar to that saying, "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove".

[rough basalt]

Sorry, but unfortunately "it was revealed to me in a dream" is all the proof I need

And if the authorities ask? My mom told me it was true.
How are they gonna argue with that?

[eager marsh]

telling you their mom said your mom is a lliar

[rough basalt]

That's when you bring out the forbidden technique

[eager marsh]

yo mama fight

[rough basalt]

Calling upon the most trustworthy witness anyone can call upon

The Ghost that never lies that only the caller can see and hear

[eager marsh]

Trial by Beyblade

[silver dock]

There are two solutions to any problem: Money, and explosions...
💡
I've got an idea!!!

[eager marsh]

explosions can be purchased. There is one solution to any problem

[hidden spindle]

A hospital. Bonus if you've magical means or have a class that can take care of Conditions. (Mercy Monk Massages: Cures Blindness, Deafness, Paralysis, Poison, Stunned, get so good lv17, you can bring the recently deceased back)

Crafting Healing Kits and using their Hit Die in emergencies. Then telling people to Long Rest.

-# A lot more affordable than Potions of Healing

[vale sage]

i do have the ability to magically uh treat wounds and probably could teach the talent to lesser healers if i employed some and docked some of their pay for the training actually

healing services sound like a decent idea
plus that's a good brand and there's no short of injured people around cities and such if adventurers and fighters guilds exist

[eager marsh]

I can promise you it's profitable because the life cleric in my thursday group charges us and he makes bank

[hidden spindle]

What's the going rate?

[eager marsh]

healing spells cost his level in gold. restorations, aids, and deathwards are priced differently, aid by spell slot value

[vale sage]

it is life or death

[eager marsh]

He runs our tabs and has us pay out after each quest when we get paid

[silver dock]

thats actually insane

[eager marsh]

so at lv 12, he charges me 12 gold for a healing word or channel divinity or cure wounds. its highly affordable at our incomes

[silver dock]

-# and funny

[eager marsh]

but the remove curses i think are 100 or 200 i forget

[silver dock]

he should make like an american hospital and add a few degrees of magnitude to those numbers

[vale sage]

the thief has to charge for espionage
the wizard has to charge for above level 2 spell slots cast
the warrior has to charge per great wound tanked
and we need more highways

[eager marsh]

No he's actually affordable and reliable. which makes him better than the us healthcare. we made this joke. He is worth his rates. also he's a cleric of Wuakeen so he also just arbitrarily burns 25% of all his total income away to her

[still plover]

I like to see the faithful following their tenets.

[eager marsh]

It's affordable for our means vs payout on our quests and he losses a bunch of his own money to his deity anyways yea. its good rp. he also handles the party treasure by evaluating things and proce negotiating for us

[lavish flame]

House Jorasco moment

[tranquil temple]

What are your guys favorite dnd books? Campaigns, campaign settings, rulebooks, etc.

[fiery nimbus]

Fizban's Treasury of Dragons my beloved

[tranquil temple]

Why? I don’t think I know too much about it

[viral ore]

storm kings thunder because its the only one ive done

[fiery nimbus]

Dragons, thats like half of DnD and that one improves it quite a lot

[tranquil temple]

Ah, sounds interesting

[fiery nimbus]

also i just like using magical items from it

[spring light]

heh. had to do an impromptu presentation in class today, so i presented that i am a dm for dnd.
one of my class mates came to me afterwards, wanting to play.

i just so happen to always carry a tiny dm kit in my backpack, so i gave them a bunch of starter info and a card for the store i dm at.

[viral ore]

W

[umbral girder]

Plot hooks, magic items, cool new dragons, adventures and PBIF for every type of dragon and dungeons for most dragons too is why

[weak swallow]

so he's less like us healthcare and more like doctors who wanna help you get around your insurance

[rich axle]

Have yall ever been so excited for a campaign to start that you start dreaming about scenarios

[fossil hollow]

yes

[cinder timber]

Sadly yes.

[rich axle]

Why sadly

[wanton frigate]

Which channel can help me find people to play a game with

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[sacred pilot]

Skimming through Heroes and Adventures in/of Faerun - is it just me or is there no section Cormyr?

[crimson gulch]

There is not really no

[shy stirrup]

Cormyr: Land of the Purple Dragon, a DM Guild 3rd party campaign sourcebook, remains the best source I find. Draws together the info scattered in a hundred places into one volume.

[sacred pilot]

Is that also from Ed? I think I have that somewhere. Can´t remember right now

[shy stirrup]

It's by Erik Horváth, tho obviously draws heavily on Ed's writings and various musings

[old sluice]

I want to ask, why do you call him Ed?

[sacred pilot]

Because that´s what I saw people call Ed Greenwood on the internet? I don´t even know the rest of his name

[tiny hill]

I get all my maps and tokens from sketchy websites is that okay

[old sluice]

Makes sense I guess.

[lyric viper]

Ed Greenwood seems pretty chill and often seems to be happy to be referred to by first name, such as 'So Saith Ed' being the name of essentially 'Word of God' authorial comments/ QA with Ed Greenwood stuff.

[inner silo]

Would Lost Mines of Phandelver require a lot of changes to make it lean into roleplay over combat?

[shy stirrup]

No more than any other module, I'd wager

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[rough basalt]

LmoP is a starter module so there's a good bit of low-combat solutions thought of

[shy stirrup]

But Lost Mines does ||start off with combat, and the story hinges on more combat right after, you'll have to decide how to handle that||

[low escarp]

Hello I’m looking for a Phandelver and Below game to play:)

[shy stirrup]

Good thing I know how to use the spoiler tag

[still plover]

This might help: #dnd-newcomers message

[slow wharf]

hello fellow nerds. I decided to multiclass a sorcerer and warlock(later found out its a super common and strong combo) and im a bit confused how restoring spell slots will work as a combo build. will I simply restore all my spell slots each shortrest or is there some special limit or what?

[low escarp]

Thank you, I tried posting in looking for dm, but it takes me forever to scroll up

[slow wharf]

also can I just convert it to sorcerer points willy nilly? like just use spell slots shortrest put into sorcorer points the recovered slots repeat?

[crimson gulch]

roleplay is essential to combat imo, if you want less combat, your not increasing the roleplay, your increasting the social encounters

[slow wharf]

or actually I can just convert shortrest convert no need to spend anything

currently lvl 2 btw

[crimson ice]

its easyy to make a one on one campaign? like just one player and the dm

[still plover]

It can be done. Two tips:

• Shorter is better. Shorter sessions, shorter arcs. A single player will go through things quicker than a party but it'll also cost them more attention and energy.

• Consider giving them a sidekick.

[shy stirrup]

Define easy, otherwise yes, easier in the sense that you're only catering to one PC, and as Mr Smith says, a sidekick is a useful addition (run by you the DM)

[low escarp]

How do I post in looking for DM?

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[still plover]

Type /looking and select the option from the suggestions, then hit Enter.

[woven flint]

Artificer Time

[crimson gulch]

yes, i have ran them for years with my wife

[crimson ice]

ohh alrighttt thanks

[crimson ice]

oh okayy nice, thxx

[crimson ice]

oh thats so cool!

i wanna run one with my father, and would be my first time, so yeah 💔 thats why i asked if its easy but i guess that if i dont try ill never know (i thought that little bit late tho)

[shy stirrup]

The only easy parts is as noted it's just one player, and you can tailor the content to them, otherwise nothing else changes, you still need to present an interesting and fun adventure, just as you would with a table of 5

[crimson ice]

oh yesss

thats my goal :3

[fast birch]

I know nothing about D&D and i want to learn where do i start

[solemn nimbus]

Is there a name for a type of game where there are multiple groups within the same game world, and the actions of one group could affect the things what the second group sees/experiences?

For example
Group 1 plays on a Monday, and during their session they defeat a corrupt mayor of a town before leaving to go elsewhere

Group 2 plays on a Tuesday, and they approach the town, which is now in a state of panic because their leader was just exposed for doing something nefarious and they are trying to establish new leadership.

[sharp raptor]

hold on, this seems like a really fun idea

i might try and see if i can run something like this for the game i'll be running soon

[lavish flame]

Generally we call this "shared world" style of community game a "West Marches" style of game. We even have a section to find them, #looking-for-community

[solemn nimbus]

Thank you. I knew I had heard a name for it somewhere and it was bugging me. Appreciate you. ❤️

[hot reef]

You recover only your warlock spell slots on a short rest, and you can convert them to sorcery points. Sorcery points reset on a long rest. I’d recommend talking to your DM about how many short rests you’re allowed. (There’s a specific build known as Coffeelock that’s often banned where you avoid long resting and accumulate unlimited sorcery points)

[still plover]

The difficulty is the flexible nature of game time.

[pearl hedge]

i just made a homebrew spell last night can i get some feedback?

[cursive thorn]

#homebrew is your best bet

[silver dock]

"it's what my character would do"

[undone fable]

whats coffeelock again?

[meager fractal]

Sorc/Warlock that utilizes loopholes to get infinite spell slots

[woven flint]

I have made

A Moon Druid Lorwyn Changeling

[meager fractal]

all the shapeshifting

[undone fable]

Infinite spell slots!

[woven flint]

Indeed

[empty thicket]

Greatswords are good?

[cursive thorn]

Technically they are great (sorry I had to)

[fiery nimbus]

they are great

[fossil hollow]

oh god

[empty thicket]

My bad for asking 🥀

[fiery nimbus]

nah, you good

not as great as the sword though

[empty thicket]

na, it was for the jokes mostly. Im asking because for using one i should sacrifice my shield and sword playstyle im having for now

[fiery nimbus]

only thing worth sacreficing a shield for, is spellcasting

[empty thicket]

Later in any future session i will test it and see how it work, there is no better defense than killing the enemies before they attack you

[woven flint]

YOU already knew

[fossil hollow]

i thought you said you werent doing it 😭

[woven flint]

I had the demonic urge to

I COULD..
do a Lizardfolk

Ir something else idk

I'm not fully decided

[gentle field]

hi

[fossil hollow]

Dask i feel can afford more friends

[glad arch]

Hello

[gentle field]

how are you

[empty thicket]

i cant cast spells, im a fighter

i got a heavy crossbow and asked my artificer to infuse it with repetitive shoot

[rough basalt]

Now that my Friday's are free I ponder what I should fill it with

I have a lot of tabletop projects on my list

[sharp raptor]

so i've got an idea of a one shot that could turn into a full campaign, idk if my idea would really work though, could i get some input on it?

[karmic mason]

would we consider a sharpened metal violin bow a shortsword or a dagger?

[rough basalt]

Dagger

Tho by raw it'd just be a improvised weapon, unless this is reflavoring.

[loud tendon]

Could explore it over in #dm-discussion perhaps or #dm-world-building depending on what you are working on

[karmic mason]

what if, dagger turned into violin bow.

[glass granite]

Same answer

[hidden spindle]

An object used as an Improvised Weapon that the DM deems its likeness to a weapon can be treated as such weapon. For example a tableleg as a Club, or butterknife as a Dagger.

[karmic mason]

alright, so if i were to make a rogue bard multiclass,i could make that?

[old sluice]

It has nothing to do with your class

[glass granite]

-# You would probably want to reflavour a rapier or dagger

[hidden spindle]

Its possible, just need to ask your DM. but yeah like what Praetor Slimmy said, its doesn't involve your class

[raw sonnet]

Guys how do I post in https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1241960756858060881 ? The instructions just say "use /looking-for dm" but I don't understand how to use this command

[old sluice]

Type it.

[loud tendon]

You can type that command in a y of our chat channels that you can type in. Like this one.

Once you fill out the template it will post to the correct spot

[raw sonnet]

ohhhhh, I thought I had to add the post itself after the command. Thanks

[inner silo]

What do you think about metal dice?

[glass granite]

Fun until you step on you metal d4

[undone fable]

I love metal dice. theyre my favorite

[inner silo]

Is it fine to roll them along with plastic dice for stuff like advantage?

[undone fable]

depends on what i have on hand. I would if i dont have a second metal d20 to roll.

but i do roll d6s that are plastic with metal.

[empty thicket]

Plastic dices = Normal
Metal = Disadvantage rolls
Wood = Advantage

[undone fable]

One time i rolled like 3d8s and like... 8d8 as a level 6 swarmkeeper ranger with a dm given weapon

[lavish flame]

there's no dice police. so long as they're fair dice (as in, they have no weights or spaces within them) you're fine

[inner silo]

I have 3 dice sets rn and i got a gamestore giftcard so I'm considering either getting 4 more plastic dice sets or a metal dice set

[undone fable]

I personally like metal but if you wanna get 4 plastic sets, go for it.

[inner silo]

I think getting metal dice could be quite nice, if they won't damage plastic dice when rolled together

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[empty thicket]

And if you get suddenly attacked by some bad person in your house, think that the metal dice do lots of damage.

[undone fable]

same

[raw sonnet]

Do not play with metal dice on a glass table

[inner silo]

That actually makes sense

[empty thicket]

yeah, like, What you would do if mid session a ninja enter in your house?

[inner silo]

Will keep in mind! Btw can the wool paper stuff work as a tray for them? Felt i think it's called

[glass granite]

Use the d4 as caltrops!

[raw sonnet]

I have no Idea. What I do know, is that a piece of paper is not fine.
"A piece of paper will be enough" - said my friend before rolling an attack and shattering the table with his metal die

[inner silo]

I'd use the attack action using my first attack to throw the metal dice and knock them prone with topple, then with free action I'd draw my sword i always carry with me and use my second attack to attack them with it🤓

[inner silo]

I mean for wood tables btw. Let me look up what that is called

[empty thicket]

na, using my 30 knifes in my kitchen. Dio style

[inner silo]

Za warudo as a bonus action

[empty thicket]

Wizard//Rogue sound epic

[inner silo]

17 wizard 3 rogue?

[loud tendon]

Rolling dice into a lined tray of some kind will always help preserve them. Rolling metal dice against themselves (more than one metal at a time) could result in some rub marks eventually.. Rolling metal dice with semi precious stone dice will chip them.
Rolling with plastic, less likely to have that problem, but I suppose it depends how roughly you roll them.

[inner silo]

Could also go with monk for the way of the astral self

[raw sonnet]

I would hit him with my umbrella. Really hard (my umbrella is like 1 meter long and I usually use it to hit my players when they are trying to flirt with something they shouldn't flirt with)

[graceful anchor]

Oath of vengeance paladin is op

[inner silo]

Alrighty, thanks for explaining!

[loud tendon]

No problem.

Good rule of thumb is that Rolling a die by itself will preserve it much longer but is not always as satisfying as Rolling a bunch of dice at once.

Also, I have too many sets of dice but I love them. Many are metal BTW, but aluminum so a bit lighter than average metal dice

[snow agate]

what sounds like a familiar a dungeon wizard would have? a rat, a cat, or a crow

[glad arch]

Rat

[inner silo]

I'd say it depends on the wizard heavily as eich could fit very well

[empty thicket]

Rat, can crawl through the dungeon
Crow if its an open area
Serpent if you want to show him like more "evil"
A bull would be epic
A frog if its silly

[snow agate]

like a dungeon custodian whos a minion to the dungeon boss
so i think the familiar mainly needs to be big enough to catch/eat pests, which leans bird/cat, tho the rat has an advantage for getting into any crack and being good for spying

[silver pendant]

https://youtube.com/shorts/QRlGW1mAovA?si=z0Um6SSqX1yC2V6n

[glass granite]

Context for the link?

[silver pendant]

nope

[inner silo]

Make it a smaller and scuffy cat imo

[snow agate]

bold move to post contextless links

[silver pendant]

wait MONK BRO!!!!

[glass granite]

It’s kinda against server rules not to

[glass granite]

wait…
MONK BRO!

[snow agate]

maybe like small black cat

[silver pendant]

it has been a minute

[remote wadi]

I'm stuck with a choice to make

Currently am a Ranger with Sharpshooter

Do I go with Fighter multiclass to get more options to attack (especially if I can get the Gunner perk to bypass loading penalties)

Or do I go with a Rogue multiclass and try to focus on Sneak attacks?

[reef tundra]

Multiclassing into fighter as a ranger isn’t much of a good idea

I say a level 1 or 3 dip

[stoic obsidian]

And not really worth it

[reef tundra]

Yeah

[stoic obsidian]

Unless you really want action surge

[reef tundra]

A dip into rogue may be a little worth it, for expertise and sneak attack

[undone fable]

rogue!

[noble basin]

yea but sneak attack scales pretty poorly especially when multiclassing

[reef tundra]

Maybe cunning action, but rangers already get a bit of expertise and later on the ability to hide as a bonus action

[remote wadi]

Apparently, CoS campaign only goes to level 10

[stoic obsidian]

If you going to be a sneaky ranger

[reef tundra]

Yeah, that’s a good point

[remote wadi]

So epic boons are already off the table

[undone fable]

Me, who likes rogues and rangers and dislikes fighters: Rogue-ranger!

[noble basin]

though ill be honest higher level ranger features are usually pretty mid

[remote wadi]

That, and my magic slots won't be the biggest deal

[stoic obsidian]

So all in all multiclass isn’t worth it

[noble basin]

some people do druid which is like fine i guess more spells doesnt hurt and the thematics arent bad

[remote wadi]

Oh, and this is 5e, not 5.5

[undone fable]

rogue-ranger!

[stoic obsidian]

Eh

[remote wadi]

So please keep that in mind for advice

[inner silo]

Rogue ranger with gloomstalker

[remote wadi]

It seems like a good idea, but idk if it would work out as a whole

[stoic obsidian]

I feel you use wildshape as utility if anything on ranger Druid

Than really the spells

[reef tundra]

A Ranger will already take a while to get higher level spell slots, so multiclassing for Spellcasting isn’t what I’d recommend

[inner silo]

Depends on how much darkness your dm puts you in

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah I mean you could just do the optimized gloomstalker build, which does have some Rogue levels. But Rogue isn’t exactly the focus of the build

[remote wadi]

It is curse of strahd or whatever the name is

[stoic obsidian]

Exactly, and frankly ranger doesn’t need a multiclass at all tbh

[inner silo]

That's the one where everything is in the fog and gloomy right?