dnd-discussion

[pliant matrix]

Btw how many sessions does a short campaign take

[blazing sluice]

Depends on the definition of short

4 for some. 30 for others.

[remote wadi]

I think a homebrew rule for this campaign is getting a feat to start off with, then another every third level

[knotty pasture]

I'd only grab Gunner once you actually have a musket for the record

You can make do with stuff like Piercer in the meantime which also buffs musket damage anyways

[pliant matrix]

Me and my friends want to try dnd with our making a huge commitment see we it can be very time consuming, so we were thinking try to have a large part of the campaign over winter break so that’s why I was asking

[remote wadi]

Hence why it will probably be at level 6 or 9. Sharpshooter is already chosen, then Piercer will be for even better damage. After that, things like Gunner, Chromatic, and Lucky will probably be chosen in order of importance

[harsh hinge]

Link a few one-shots together and stop when you like. Instant campaign.

[pliant matrix]

From what ik one shots take like 1-5 sessions usually right?

[harsh hinge]

They're supposed to take one session, but yeah, they usually resolve in a handful.

[remote wadi]

One shots take one session, hence the name

[pliant matrix]

Thanks, also how many people is good for a campaign?

[harsh hinge]

I would say 4-5 players, 1 DM. More or less can get trickier.

[remote wadi]

Usually 4 is good, but yoy can always do fewer and substitute with DMPCs or more people

But yes. Usually, 4 Players and a DM is best to start off

[pliant matrix]

Thanks

[remote wadi]

Almost forgot to ask: what is the Ranger perk that allows you to get an opportunity attack when someone enters your weapon range?

[humble cairn]

That's not a Ranger thing, that's a Feat. I think Sentinel.

I was wrong, it's Polearm Master.

[remote wadi]

I remember there being something for Ranger, though...

I knew Polearm Mastery was one of them, but I could have sworn a projectile equivalent existed

[pliant matrix]

Oh yeah also can someone explain what exactly are skill slots

[remote wadi]

You mean feats? Or something else?

[pliant matrix]

Idk I think they’re connected but I’m not sure

[humble cairn]

A projectile version? Nope, not that I've heard and that would be super powerful.

[humble cairn]

"Skill slots" are not a thing in D&D 5E.

Do you mean "Spell slots?"

[pliant matrix]

Yeee that

[raw ocean]

If a character was cursed with the midas touch, could they use the fabricate spell to just constantly make items out of gold?

[humble cairn]

Here's the chapter of the rules on spells: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/spells

[pliant matrix]

Thanks

[humble cairn]

There is a Ranger spell, Cordon of Arrows, that kinda does this.

[remote wadi]

Think of it like this. Each class has a variety of spells available to them, called Known Spells (Not every magic user can cast every spell. For example, holy spells are usually cast by people who focus around divinity like Clerics and Paladins)

Spell slots are how many you can actually take with you and use, called Prepared Spells

As for how spells replenish, I believe it focuses around Short and Long rest. Not sure about replenishing them, but you need to finish a Long Rest to change which spells you have prepared

[remote wadi]

Is it a Short Rest that refills all your spells?

[meager fractal]

only a warlock

[remote wadi]

For everyone else, a Long Rest?

[meager fractal]

yea

[hollow stone]

yea cause even by level 20 Warlocks only get like 5 spell slots, right?

[remote wadi]

Not just that, they also cast much stronger spells

To trade off for their low slot count, they not only recover them all after a short rest, they also will always cast at the highest possible level

[hollow stone]

yea, Warlocks don't have a lot, but all of their spells are stronger and have decent upcasts, on top of like 4 Invocations that let them cast things for free

[remote wadi]

For example, if 7th level spells are your current maximum, then casting Eldritch Blast will be at the 7th level (if you so choose)

Yeah. If the wizard is your versatile rifle with figurative mags to spare, then warlocks are a sniper rifle that won't hesitate to make every shot count

[hollow stone]

yea they have four spell slots even at level 20, five if you count Magical Cunning, and six if you also count Mystic Arcanum

oh hold on Magical Cunning is actually a lot of math in 2024 hold on

[inner silo]

1 level of fighter goes so far on a ranger

[hollow stone]

you regain expended Pact Magic spell slots but no more than a number equal to half your maximum (round up). Once you use this feature, you can’t do so again until you finish a Long Rest

[remote wadi]

But at that rate, you can have a wizard or Cleric focus on smaller spells for utility while you could load up on high level spells for damage, as you aren't limited by spell slots

[remote wadi]

How so?

[meager fractal]

If you are going for 1 level of fighter you might as well go for 2 levels and grab action surge

[hollow stone]

so like, if any way of casting a Warlock spell is counted you get 7 max (4 + 2MC + 1MA)

[remote wadi]

Don't you eventually get multiple attacks as a Ranger?

[inner silo]

Additional fighting style, more weapon options, con save proficiency and heavy armour in case

[inner silo]

Only 1 extra attack at 5. Also the ranger capstone is not real

[remote wadi]

Capstone?

[crimson gulch]

yes, level 5

[inner silo]

Level 20 ability

[hollow stone]

doesn't everyone only get up to one additional attack?

except Action Surge

[inner silo]

Fighters get more

They get 4

[hollow stone]

wait they get more attacks per action??

[meager fractal]

I thought barbarians got more too

[hollow stone]

they can execute four attacks per action????????

[inner silo]

Yup. Their capstone is literally one

[inner silo]

Very balanced ik

[hollow stone]

that's a lot of dice

[inner silo]

At the same time wizards be stopping time and casting meteor swarm

[meager fractal]

my cat keeps meowing at me and I don't know why

[inner silo]

He's warning you

[humble cairn]

That's not how that spell works.

[atomic kayak]

Cantrips scale with character level

Eldritch blast has zero interaction with spell levels

[remote wadi]

Oh. Sorry, I'm not the most knowledgeable yet

[hollow stone]

yea eldritch blast is a cantrip lmao i didn't even read that message

[inner silo]

@humble cairn what do you think about going 1 level into fighter as shellilaugh ranger to get both defensive and dueling

[humble cairn]

Not a bad dip.

[remote wadi]

Wouldn't you want to get 2 levels for Action Surge?

[stuck shuttle]

Not always

[inner silo]

Alrighty thanks!

[inner silo]

You'd loose epic boon and some spell slots

[hollow stone]

when do Fighters get Second Wind?

[meager fractal]

1st

[hollow stone]

the self heal is also some good util

[hollow stone]

yea just stick with a 1 level dip then

[remote wadi]

How many spells slots? And what's Epic Boon?

[stuck shuttle]

Action surge is only 1 use per short rest, and in 2024 you can’t use it to use the Magic action unfortunately

[inner silo]

Mb, you don't lose a spell slot, only the epic boon feat which is like a feat but way stronger

[hollow stone]

wait actually, could an EK Fighter burn all of their Extra Attacks on cantrips or is it only once per turn?

[inner silo]

Still can do stuff like more attacks, help action, using magic items and stuff

[inner silo]

Once per turn iirc

[stuck shuttle]

It’s still not as impactful as delaying extra attacks and/or higher level spells

[inner silo]

This is kind of tactical mind and action surge or epic boon feat

[stuck shuttle]

If you’re taking a character to 20 a boon will be more widely useful imo since you will definitely be having more and more powerful encounters by then

[inner silo]

Alrighty, then 1 level dip it is

[humble cairn]

Both are wrong. It's once per Attack Action.

[hollow stone]

oh okei

[inner silo]

Is 4d10 per round damage without an attack roll or saving throw good at level 20?

[meager fractal]

most warlocks are shooting four 1d10+5 beams of force a turn at level 20 so ig it depends on how valuable you find not having to attack / force a saving throw.

[inner silo]

Btw this costs a ba to activate and requires concentration but is additional damage from your attacks that you just do to another target

[slender mason]

Magical Guidance seems interesting

Font of Inspiration but later, I guess

[rotund rain]

Hi. New. North Texas. Used to play but haven't in a long time. HOpe you're all well here.

[meager fractal]

Thanks, you too. This game is a blast

[rotund rain]

It sure used to be when I was around 15-18. I'd like to get back into it as an adult after a break. In person games vastly preferable

[inner silo]

How would you fix hunters mark if you could?

Or is this for the homebrew channel

[meager fractal]

I'd change the entire ranger class so it wouldn't need to rely on it

[inner silo]

Thing is good ranger builds don't even really use it

[still plover]

Your best bet is to look locally: hobby shops and game stores, libraries and the like. Facebook groups might help there too.

[inner silo]

So it's more like it's just kinda there as a just in case option that takes up a bit too many character traits

[devout valley]

HI

[inner silo]

Hello

[stoic obsidian]

They already don’t

[devout valley]

Last time I played dnd was almost 5 years ago when I was a kid so I don't remember anything at all

But I remember it being super fun

[inner silo]

If you'd like to recall how to play it Ginny Di has a great play list

[devout valley]

Ginny Di?

[inner silo]

She's a youtuber

[devout valley]

Oh okay awesome thank you

[harsh hinge]

She has a whole playlist for newbies: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsmjZYZs1ps05jkN5u6yJ9j6G_8JLut6Z

[reef tundra]

Ginny Di is the best <3

[inner silo]

It's especially great for role-playing and character personality building advice

[rotund rain]

thanks @still plover , that is what the other agents said as well

i gots matrix jokes ;). but srslsly

[reef tundra]

Another piece of evidence that Mr Smith is Agent Smith

I’m onto you, Smith -.-

[rotund rain]

ask him if he's ever slapped chris rock or neo. that should narrow it down

but seriously, that is good advice, thank you @still plover . I have some lists that were put together for me because am in a metroplex rather than town or city, so the options are uh, diverse

[bitter spindle]

Ironic considering the amount of races in the game lol

[rotund rain]

most of the sites are libraries, comic shops, universities. some bars.

[hollow stone]

what?

[bitter spindle]

That was supposed to send hours ago

Bad cell service

[hollow stone]

lmfao

[still plover]

You can prove nothing.

[reef tundra]

-.-

[rotund rain]

my friend once trolled me with like 1000 bots pretending to be people, Mr Smith.

[still plover]

Rough!

[rotund rain]

sometimes boys like to wrestle

[still plover]

So what kind of game are you looking forward to, Collabro? Dungeon delving, hexcrawl, narrative heavy, something else?

[reef tundra]

Tsk tsk tsk /j

[stoic obsidian]

Am I weird for saying 2024 ranger isn’t bad and they don’t have to use hunters mark all the time

[rotund rain]

probably narrative heavy. i like linguistics, and like stories and art that are created on the shared canvas. so. i like sharing canvas. ttrpg is canvas with the right people. 'crawling' tends to bog down into focus on rules and 'winning' instead of the story. the story is primary for me.

[somber mesa]

I just realized, the Artificer changes prevent the use of Arcane Lock and Continual Flame with Spell Storing Item now

[reef tundra]

Not weird. I am with you there

[idle oar]

No. Rangers were even fine in 2014 but I think people's expectations didn't always align with how they mechanically played.

[reef tundra]

They called me a madwoman. I was there with Ranger from the start

[somber mesa]

I'm so confused how people think TCE Ranger is significantly better than the 2024 Ranger, Favored Foe also used concentration but for worse damage and being unable to swap targets

[idle oar]

My kids love playing rangers - nice bag of skills for exploration, can do melee and range well, and with some nice spell casting tools as well.

[reef tundra]

I also just love being half magic half BONK

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, and 2024 get free cast of hunters mark that get higher over time, and all the other features make you pretty great for combat and roleplay

[still plover]

I don't mind the short-haul crawl, but there is a sense of achievement in seeing your character and their relationships grow over time.

[stoic obsidian]

Honestly ranger 2024 is actually great the more I think about

[reef tundra]

Welcome to the ranger club

[stoic obsidian]

Guess people are just hung up on hunters mark

[rotund rain]

There are only 3 episodes so far, but Mighty Nein is good. critical role.

[somber mesa]

Ranger's capstone requiring the use of concentration was also a problem with TCE Ranger, only 2014 PHB Ranger didn't have that issue

[hearty bay]

I like warlock, because they have a complete magic bonk, with pact weapon

[timid current]

it would be cool if hunter's mark didn't exist. and if hexblade was a martial class like it used to be.

[hearty bay]

I do wonder how to describe psychic damage from being whacked on the knee

[rotund rain]

I don't mind a short crawl either, Smith, but 'crawl' does not always lend to story. So if I am to crawl, I like it to have underlying story elements and make sense in the larger context. We are contextual beings, after all, Smitty.

[timid current]

ranger is fine in 2024 it's just really limited by hunter's mark being it's main thing

[serene garnet]

What race has wings?

[hearty bay]

I'd guess aasimar does. Dragonborn has them for like, 10 minutes per day

[somber mesa]

imagine Hexblade as a Paladin subclass

[still plover]

For sure! There's nothing quite like going out and upsetting a status quo and having to deal with the consequences.

[serene garnet]

So a aasimar paladin would be a arch Angels?

[still plover]

No, but they could pretend.

[serene garnet]

Well yeah

Basically look like one

I have a name for mine

[timid current]

I think the original non-warlock feel suits fighter subclass better

[serene garnet]

Samael

[somber mesa]

I personally think Hexblade's flavor of the patron being this weird shadowy entity could merge well with the Oathbreaker serving dark and evil powers

[still plover]

The accuser, seducer and destroyer, eh? Heavy. Or are you just lifting the name for the sound of it?

[timid current]

I mean hexblade never used to have a patron to begin with

[serene garnet]

Wha

[timid current]

it only became one when they completely changed the flavor

[serene garnet]

I ain't Christian all I know is the angel types and nanes

[still plover]

Always Google your names.

[timid current]

originally hexblades were debuff-focused martials with a little casting

[cursive fjord]

Where csn i go to talk about something amazing my DM let me do?

[hot marlin]

Samael in Hebrew means "God's venom". It has certain villainous connotations

[cursive fjord]

Something as a DM i will be implementing from here on out

[idle oar]

If it's a story from a game we do have #tales-from-the-table

[serene garnet]

Ohhh

[idle oar]

If it's homebrew then #homebrew

[serene garnet]

Yeah cuz that's lucifer

[timid current]

and David in hebrew means "beloved" but most people don't pick names based on a translation or original meaning

[hot marlin]

Might have clicked "answer" to the wrong message here

[hot marlin]

... I do. Am I weird?

You'd tell me if I was weird right?

[hot marlin]

Well, no. Not exactly. There is a complex history to that name and its connotations and history. Can't get into it, it's a religious subject. And a contentious one at that.

[covert iron]

Okay, I guess this goes here. What decides good and evil in D&D? Everyone can't agree on what is good or evil. It's rare for even two people to mostly if not completely agree.

[timid current]

no. I'm only saying that most people don't.

I personally think it's hilarious when someone makes a fire mage named aidan or agni like their parents somehow predicted that they would be fire guys

[hot marlin]

The DM.

[still plover]

Mic drop!

I'm sure the rules have some guidance regarding alignment, if you need an opinion.

[open prawn]

Hello from France.
I don't know if it's the right channel to ask, but is there some informations for a translations to French for Forgotten Realms - Adventures in Faerûn ?

[fossil hollow]

I live

[clear lark]

I'm pretty everyone can agree on what's good or evil on most things, absent those with sociopathical tendencies.

[hearty bay]

pillaging cities: good
harming goblins: evil

[covert iron]

And that's not even bringing up how everyone has differing perspectives on things, or how ending a life is largely regarded as evil, but ending suffering is seen as good, so where would the "quality of your life" line be in regards to if letting your life end so your suffering ends would be good or evil? (Examples being end of life care, DNRs, ect)

[hearty bay]

it honestly depends a lot on the narrative pitch, since a lot of deadly conflicts in the dndverse has both sides being able to reasonably claim that the other side is evil

[hot marlin]

Found the hobgoblin

[covert iron]

If an alien entity that was capable of things you couldn't imagine, or could bring you eternal happiness at the cost of your death, came across you, would it be good or evil for it to end what it perceives as your suffering? Not all of the creatures in D&D are humanoid, let alone human.

[hot marlin]

Yes. For now...

[hot marlin]

Does it ask for people's consent before doing that?

[fossil hollow]

You can certainly try

[hot marlin]

That is the ethical metric

[fossil hollow]

also, hows our favorite- strangled

[hot marlin]

Oh, Ti had an accident I had nothing to do with.

[serene garnet]

I had a idea where the first couple sessions they were a seraphim (just extra wings no extra powers aka flavor)

[hot marlin]

Appears he fell on his kitchen knife six times and accidentally strangled himself with his own belt. Clumsy Ti!

[hearty bay]

for example, at my table, it could be argued that, despite saving 3 cities, we're a criminal group who did wrongdoings in our latest combat

we killed a mercenary in a horrifying fashion when trying to interrogate him, then ended up being attacked by the rest of the group, who was concerned with the dude they sent to spy on us. The mercenaries were working for a pretty evil dude, but were mostly clueless, and doing so for the paycheck, but we knew better than they did and assumed worse. It's pretty tricky to pinpoint who's flat out good or evil, here

[serene garnet]

And then they start slipping up making mistakes and start sinning and then they turn in to a fallen angel and there 🙂

[covert iron]

Would you ask for the consent of someone you believe needs urgent help, but isn't self aware enough to know that? Hospitals put people in 72 hour holds, people sign up others for rehab, but these people don't nessicarily consent to those things. Are those people evil for doing those things?

[fossil hollow]

correction, it was a chain... from a de- screaming

[hot marlin]

You tortured someone. That's evil in my book, but what do you care?

People do not know their own alignment. They can't look at their character sheet

[still plover]

"Game of heroic fantasy roleplaying," he muttered.

[hot marlin]

Technically "heroic" in heroic fantasy does not refer to morality

[torpid ocean]

isn't it funny that dead by daylight is just ravenloft

[hot marlin]

It's heroic in the sense that it is centered on the actions if exceptional individuals.

[hearty bay]

it was a mix of a painful accident + the group being trigger happy and in a tense situation

[covert iron]

Seriously, is someone who seeks help on behalf of a loved one evil?

After all, there was no consent

[hot marlin]

Depends on the help and how it's administered

[torpid ocean]

it can depend on how they seek help in my book

[cinder timber]

Hello

[hot marlin]

If you decide that life is a disease and death the cure, you are "helping" people by committing omnicide to destroy all life in the universe

[torpid ocean]

like for example thanos thought he was helping the universe by snapping half of it away, he had a noble intention but was hellbent on the wrong solution

[covert iron]

Someone too mentally ill to take caree of themselves. Is someone putting them somewhere to try and help them evil?

[hot marlin]

But why think so much about morality? Whether objective morality exists or not changes nothing. People are subjective beings, they are the ones who decide what is good and evil

Everyone decides for themselves what they consider moral. And then they fight for it. That's how it works. The strong get to decide at the end

[still plover]

Are we sure that's not an overgenerous interpretation?

[hot marlin]

I am not a fiend by the way. I don't know if you heard that.

[fossil hollow]

Shooooore

Sorry, just escaped the Chain Devil that walked into my kitchen

[covert iron]

That's kind of my point? An angel killing people so they go to heaven would be what? Good? Evil? No one can say objectively which. After all, they are going to go to heaven.

[hollow stone]

depends. what do you call a mental illness? what do you call taking care of yourself?

[torpid ocean]

sorry WHAT

[fossil hollow]

Angels are extensions of their god's will, theyre not really moral themselves

[torpid ocean]

why did a dadgum chain devil walk into your room

[fossil hollow]

Ask Incubus

[hollow stone]

i say this because there are genuine historical parallels of something being called a "mental illness" that gets people sent somewhere and that somewhere does immense and irreversible harm to their psyche

[hot marlin]

struggles not to bring up degree in literature
Okay SO ! Heroic originally is not a matter of morality. Heracles can kill and pillage, that doesn't change the fact that he is a hero, even when committing horrific actions that are considered immoral by the narrative. He is a hero because he is a son of Zeus imbued with inhuman strength, passion, skill and wit.

A villain is also a hero.

[torpid ocean]

why did you send a chain devil into the one's room

[still plover]

Doesn't have a fly speed?

[hollow stone]

evil CAN be without intention, people can be evil on accident and people can be evil on purpose

[woven flint]

It was me, I was the chain devil
I thought it'd be funny to walk into his Kitchen and scare him

[hot marlin]

No proof. Unsupported allegations. I have no chain devils among my close friends.

[covert iron]

Oh, I'm very aware of that, which is kind of why I lie whenever talking to a mental health "professional" that isn't aware of my history.

[woven flint]

Riiiiight...
Fiend.

[pearl hedge]

i cast... greater polycule

[fossil hollow]

I know you have a shark lawyer. Lemme speak to them

[woven flint]

MOTH
I have the Urge to go full Bonk and play a Berserker Barbarian in Nealens campaign and just do a Morbillion damage

[torpid ocean]

dnd people i need answers, what's the rarest playable race

[fossil hollow]

dew eat, just hope you get good statrolls

[woven flint]

I'm not rolling this time

[fossil hollow]

good, dont make the mistake i did

[torpid ocean]

rarest as in the least frequently covered and less seen

[woven flint]

Why the hell do you think Jabal is dead? Huh?!

[fossil hollow]

cuz you were being a chad to save our arses

[hollow stone]

official or homebrew?

[hot marlin]

If I am the DM? Evil. Violates their bodily autonomy and even worse is a waste of energy since they were eventually going to die. That angel wasted time accelerating the inevitable when he could have been doing productive things.

[torpid ocean]

official

[covert iron]

Like yeah, sure, you, someone who doesn't know anything about me is gonna determine if I'm okay? That's totally not stupid, and of course I'm not lying through my teeth that what happened will never ever happen again just so I don't end up having you make my life hell unintentionally through your stupidity.

[woven flint]

Jabal truly was a Star Man...

[fossil hollow]

With this said, how come you think enchantment isnt the most evil school of magic

[hollow stone]

from what i know Plasmoids, not a lick of lore, just lil slime molds

[still plover]

Congratulations Ti! You have birthed a new creature: star trolls.

These brutes have rocky skin imbued with meteoric metals, their favoured snack. This renders them both fireproof and immune to crits.

I hope you're happy!

[torpid ocean]

yeah I've never ever seen an NPC plasmoid

speaking of NPCs who would you guys argue is the most infamous in-lore dnd character?

[fossil hollow]

I am indeed happy, using this in my star struck red dragon's lair

[fossil hollow]

Volo

[knotty basin]

Tasha

[hot marlin]

Because burning people alive violates their bodily autonomy more than temporarily putting them under control

[woven flint]

Plasmoids are actually...
Amoeba people and not just slimes 🧐

[knotty basin]

Wrong discord?

[hollow stone]

amoeple :D

[knotty basin]

So, effectively slimes

[fossil hollow]

thats something you ask a lawyer, and not random people on a DnD server

[covert iron]

Honestly I was joking lol

I should have put /j, my bad

[woven flint]

I throw a giant snake in your general direction

[torpid ocean]

I would say that people like xanathar, strahd, vecna maybe, bhaal, asmodeus, zariel and a few others are pretty infamous too

[knotty basin]

Yeah but Tasha has her name on one of the most popular books

[woven flint]

It's me

The Rules Lawyer /j

[hollow stone]

D:

[torpid ocean]

xanathar, vecna, strahd and zariel are also on some of the most popular books

being XGTE, vecna eye of ruin, curse of strahd and baldur's gate descent into avernus

[hollow stone]

i really wanna play a plasmoid monk, that seems really fun

[knotty basin]

XGTE is a lot less popular than Tasha’s, though

[fossil hollow]

Yall not mentioning Mordenkainen whose in two three books in 5e? really?

[torpid ocean]

I'm gonna make a custom city and have the ruler be a really fat plasmoid crime boss

[knotty basin]

Was his name on the title

[fossil hollow]

Three times yes

[woven flint]

He's not really an Antagonistic figure though

[torpid ocean]

oh yeah him too

[fossil hollow]

Mordenkainen's:

• Fiendish Folio
• Tome of Foes
• Monsters of the Multiverse

[hot marlin]

Vecna, followed by Orcus, followed by Bhaal.

[torpid ocean]

ehh 50/50, strahd is probably the most infamous dnd character irl

[hollow stone]

i had a build once, Eldritch Adept: Armor of Shadows on a Plasmoid Monk, so you could cast Mage Armor on you and keep a pretty good AC while traversing impossibly small spaces

[knotty basin]

Sort of a… slime boss?

[torpid ocean]

indeed

[fossil hollow]

the question was infamous though, no?

[woven flint]

What about Lolth and Tiamat? Smh
(I'm not vouching, I'm just surprised they weren't brought up)

[hot marlin]

Strahd has a disadvantage: No mainstream appearances outside of the D&D adventures, a few poorly sold (and often poorly-written) novels.

[fossil hollow]

the ones that reek of Twilight?

[torpid ocean]

he's also got van richten's guide to ravenloft

[knotty basin]

Dududoodu duuu du duu doo uu mhm hm mmm hm mhmhmhm

[fossil hollow]

not really. Hes mentioned in his section, but hes not the star

[torpid ocean]

he's literally on the main cover 💔 🙏

[hot marlin]

"She was ripe yet maidenly and gleamed in the moonlight"

[woven flint]

Guys, did you know that Vecna: Eve of Ruin is about the Eve of Ruin?

[covert iron]

So, even though the angel is helping them in a way they aren't aware of, it's evil because they didn't, couldn't or wouldn't consent because they don't want the help either because they don't think they need it or aren't willing to consider that they might need help?

[woven flint]

I threw up a little in my mouth 😔

[torpid ocean]

WHAT

[fossil hollow]

"Snowwy.. i frew up"

[torpid ocean]

I want a ravenloft game so bad icl

[hot marlin]

"Ripe yet maidenly" is how the main character of the novel Vampire in the mists, Jander Sunstar, perceives the teenager that Strahd sends in his room as a late night snack.

[torpid ocean]

have it NOT be an rpg either have it be a hack and slash or soulsborne game

[fossil hollow]

JANDER?!
He deserved to be stuck in those trees then

[woven flint]

Looks at Strahd
Hmmm, he's a vampire..
Let's just make his Novels Twilight.
Looks at the poor sales
Damn, maybe we should've write it like Nosferatu?

[torpid ocean]

in my opinion strahd should be written like dracula from castlevania

[fossil hollow]

nah, the incel does not deserve a redemption

[woven flint]

Think about it
Nosferatu and Strahd both give Incel vibes!

[hot marlin]

To be fair, the novel was trying to do an Interview with the Vampire, with Strahd as the Lestat to Jander's Louis. A corrupting influence who revels in his vampirism while the other hates it.

[fossil hollow]

Castlevanie Drac is just a suffering dad

[torpid ocean]

what's your favorite dnd villain chat

[fossil hollow]

Xanathar or Manshoon now

[woven flint]

Wizards of the Coast

[fossil hollow]

Used to be Orcus

[hot marlin]

Show Castlevania and games have very different Draculas

[torpid ocean]

you aint funny 🥀

be fr cro no cornball answers in here

[hot marlin]

Mmh... I do like Strahd for how... Loathsome and pathetic he ends up being.

[woven flint]

My genuine favorite villain is Baphomet even though I don't think he's got any moduels that feature him as a primary antagonist
I like his Beef (pun intended) with Yenoghu, because all the fight over is the title of Beast King lmao

[fossil hollow]

B-Beef?

[torpid ocean]

I think my favorite dnd villain is probably either vlakkith because she's a bum ass fraud or acererak because he's basically just a ragebaiter

[woven flint]

I like sexy Minotaurs.

[torpid ocean]

WHAT

[hot marlin]

I prefer Pathfinder's Baphomet I admit. Their take on him is magnificient. He was once imprisoned by Asmodeus and stole the prison to turn it into his palace

Few people ever get to humiliate Asmodeus and live

[torpid ocean]

how powerful IS asmodeus?

[woven flint]

Note how you're the only person to bat an eye at this remark

[fossil hollow]

Hes a Greater Deity

[hot marlin]

Immensely. Not necessarily in statblock but he wields greater political power and influence than almost anyone.

[woven flint]

Cr 30, like Tiamat and Baphomets aspects

[torpid ocean]

does he own the other archdevils' souls or did I make that up

[fossil hollow]

tbf, his statblock lets him summon any other archdevil

[woven flint]

Do Devils have souls? 🤔

[hot marlin]

He could be CR 1 and he would still be among the most powerful creatures in the multiverse for that political power

[cinder timber]

Is Asmodeous the most powerful in hell?

[torpid ocean]

extremely corrupted ones but yeah

[torpid ocean]

yeah he's the ruler of all nine hells

[fossil hollow]

Extraplanar have souls; they are the soul. No flesh, their being is the soul

[hot marlin]

No but it is a feudal system where they have sworn fealty to him

[cinder timber]

Hey dumb question, is the hells or the abyss more dangerous?

[woven flint]

That's crazy..

So I want to seduce Baphomet

[torpid ocean]

uhh depends on the layer

[fossil hollow]

Theyre both dangerous... but I'll say the Abyss

[torpid ocean]

is there a sourcebook on the hells?

[woven flint]

The Abyss is basically super hell lmao

[fossil hollow]

Aint that right Incubus? Something something shortcuts?

[woven flint]

Devils are more likely to Hear you Out

Demons are throwing hands on sight

[cinder timber]

Oh, I see. I thought the Abyss is the wild west of hell

[torpid ocean]

devils only hear you out so they can screw you over

[fossil hollow]

... do we have a Wild West Layer? That sounds baller

[torpid ocean]

should I make my own setting chat

[woven flint]

All that plays there is the House Building theme from Red dead redemption

[cinder timber]

It's a dumb comparison, but the abyss just seems like the strong dominate

[woven flint]

Yes.
But they're not as kill on sight.

[fossil hollow]

thats very much how it works yeah, only the Strong survive

In the Hells, its beaucracy incarnate

[hot marlin]

In the Abyss there is no centralized authority. All demons are different, so if you're smart it may be more survivable depending on the layer and how well you can hide

[cinder timber]

Are there rulers of the abyss?

[fossil hollow]

yes

[woven flint]

Demons revel in murder just for the sake of evil, dey messed up in da branes!

[torpid ocean]

chat should I just make my own setting

[fossil hollow]

theres many demon lords, all vying for the title of Demon Prince, which Demogorgon currently holds the title of

[hot marlin]

The Nine Hells are a mix of theocracy, bureaucracy and militaristic feudalism, utterly totalitarian. But perhaps less immediately deadly

[cinder timber]

Just for the love of the game

[woven flint]

Yup, the Demon Lords!
They all hate eachother though.

[still plover]

You can if you like, but the more you write, the less you'll play. Sketch enough to run around in, and find some players.

[cinder timber]

Would a beholder survive in the abyss?

[hot marlin]

I think... I think you can say that the abyss is deadlier but rewards competence and wit more, while the nine hells are less deadly but with no reward.

[fossil hollow]

depends on which layer of the abyss and the beholder

[woven flint]

Probably not, Demons hate everything, even fellow demons

[cinder timber]

I don't know the layers. I'll have to read more.

[meager fractal]

Devils will talk to you maybe and adhere to any contacts you make with them. Demons of the abyss are wild and won't negotiate at all. If you are weaker than them it's just kill kill kill

[torpid ocean]

I could see a pretty powerful beholder MAYBE being able to pull some strings but never past that

fighting a devil in it's own realm is a surefire way to die

[fossil hollow]

*demon

[woven flint]

The Abyss is the Demon realm

The Hells are the Devils realm

[cinder timber]

So do demons go to the hells and devils go to the abyss or not really?

[torpid ocean]

no, devils inhabit the nine hells

[fossil hollow]

The demons often clash with the devils in the first layer of hell, Avernus

[fossil hollow]

they were talking about the Abyss, not the Hells

[torpid ocean]

not often, they're in an eternal conflict known as the blood war

[fossil hollow]

Avernus is a literal battlefield eternally

[torpid ocean]

and this bum ass cambion raphael thought it would be a good place for his palace

hi

[cinder timber]

What would the consequences be if the demons took over hell?

[fossil hollow]

The destruction of the multiverse.

[torpid ocean]

that's not happening

[woven flint]

The end of the Multiverse, probably

[still plover]

End of the world!

[cinder timber]

That's not the question

[fossil hollow]

the Blood War in a deadlock is the only thing thats stopping the Demons and Devils from taking over the entire multiverse

[cinder timber]

Wait really?!

[torpid ocean]

eh fair point but there's very little chance it would ever happen

[fossil hollow]

Yeap.#dnd-discussion message

[woven flint]

Yeah, Demons seek to destroy ALL Life.

[torpid ocean]

I'm interested in making characters :>

[cinder timber]

Still not what I asked

[torpid ocean]

but your question is obsolite because there's no chance of it happening

[fossil hollow]

they can still ask...

[cinder timber]

I saw that, Ti.

[torpid ocean]

no point in questioning something you know isn't going to be a reality

[still plover]

You want #dnd-arts-and-crafts or likely #dnd-advertisements .

[woven flint]

Why are you being so hostile, dude?

[torpid ocean]

am I being that hostile?

[cinder timber]

You are fun at parties.

[fossil hollow]

not everyone knows the lore. Its only reasonable to ask

[woven flint]

Kinda, yeah, lol

[torpid ocean]

sorry man I get caught up with this kind of stuff

[waxen scaffold]

Whats the likelihood of new erratas or variant options for the 2024 classes like it was on TCE?

[cinder timber]

Well. . . I guess the idea i had for my PC won't be happening then lol

[hot marlin]

Not much. Demons would then fight over who gets to exploit it and, instead of the blood war, you'd get a giant demonic war.

No more devil deals, no more pact primeval...

[fossil hollow]

which then spreads

[visual wasp]

Hello

[cinder timber]

Interesting, they would just devolve into civil war

[torpid ocean]

sure!

[woven flint]

Things COULD happen, what happens in something is dependable on the writers that make it
Thats why when you ask
"Who would win this?" The real answer is whoever the writers want lol

[fossil hollow]

the only reason why they arent winning against the devils is because theyre always in a civil war

[woven flint]

Yeah, Demons can't get their shit together, but if they could...

Lordy if they could >~>

[cinder timber]

So demons are straight up stronger than devils

[fossil hollow]

In numbers and perhaps individual strengths, yes

[woven flint]

Devils have high political power
But
Demons gave high physical power
(Devils are still really strong, but the Abyss is quite literally survival of the fittest for a reason)

[cinder timber]

Well u just said they aren't winning cause of disunity. So, if you got the demons to fight as one group, it's ggs for the world.

[fossil hollow]

You asked if the demons are stronger than devils, i answered

[hot marlin]

In theory. And they are numberless. But devils compensate with elite training and equipment.

[fossil hollow]

On an individual and number level, yes the demons are stronger.

[cinder timber]

Interesting, now I understand why my DM said I can't be from the abyss as a lvl 4 character 😂

[torpid ocean]

speaking of the abyss, is lolth the queen of the drow or the goddess of drow

[fossil hollow]

usually a pretty hard ask for most DMs for a character to be from an extradimensional plane that usually isnt the Feywild or Elemental Planes

[woven flint]

Both.

[fossil hollow]

Main goddess of the drow pantheon

[hot marlin]

Well, you could but "ordinary" humans don't survive in the abyss unless they are under the protection of a very powerful demon

[torpid ocean]

ah so she's like what zeus is to greek myth?

[fossil hollow]

kinda? in terms of place in the pantheon

[hot marlin]

Technically both. The goddess and the only centralized authority, therefore making her the figurative queen in all but title. She does not rule directly

[fiery nimbus]

Its a Theocracy

[woven flint]

Yeah! Adding onto Incubus' point, you could maybe have made a pact with a demon!
though chances are, that'd be an insanely difficult feat lmao

[clear lark]

Not likely. It's already established who are the power players in the Abyss.

[torpid ocean]

what other members are on the drow pantheon

[fiery nimbus]

whats the incubus point?

[cinder timber]

My PC has a demon dad somehow

[fossil hollow]

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Seldarine

[fiery nimbus]

Demon or Devil?
or Yuggoloth

[torpid ocean]

wait what setting is vecna in again

[fossil hollow]

Originally from Greyhawk. He's a god in some other settings

[hot marlin]

It is worth noting that the drow gods are still elven gods. Which means they value subtlety and discretion, same as the other gods

[cinder timber]

No, a demon. He is from the Abyss

[fiery nimbus]

Oh, and you call him sometimes?

[cinder timber]

No, he left

[torpid ocean]

how smart can demons be

[fiery nimbus]

oh i didn't mean voluntarily
Summon Greater Demon is quite cool if you are holding the name of his

[hot marlin]

One character in a game I played was revealed to have a half-demon son. A youthful beautiful mistake with a certain demon lord

[woven flint]

Going out to brunch with my Demon Dad (He killed everyone in the damn restaurant)

[cinder timber]

Oh, I didn't know that's a spell

[torpid ocean]

do you have to still pay child support if you're from another plane

[meager fractal]

Quite. The average Marilith for example has an 18 intelligence.

[woven flint]

Ha, nope, that's just for the mortals

[fiery nimbus]

it is quite hillarious, since its one of the 2 summoning spells with failure clause
if you fail the save, demon gets out of control and you can't send him back

[cinder timber]

Oh shoot 😭. That's dangerous

[fiery nimbus]

Summon Greater Demon is for Demons
Infernal Calling is for Devils

[fossil hollow]

#dnd-advertisements

[cinder timber]

Overclock?

[fiery nimbus]

so yea, summon up that dad of yours and make him pay alimony

its a 4th level warlock/wizard spell

naturally upcasting yields more powerful fiend

[cinder timber]

I actually wrote that my demon dad is the cool one lol

[fiery nimbus]

aye summon him up and grab a beer while slaughtering cowards

*Summoning requires a vile of humanoid blood killed no further than 24 hours

But what is this for a cost in the face of family bonding

[weary mist]

So in combat my BBEG just got stabbed through the spine, wth do I do 😭

Cuz I can't paralyze her, she's my BBEG

[meager fractal]

have them come back as undead

[hot marlin]

Demons are in general a lot more diverse than others. For the demon lords, you have Juiblex, who is essentially non-sapient, and then you have Dweirgus who might be among the smartest beings in the multiverse

[weary mist]

She's not dead, just kinda paralyzed

Or she should be any way

[meager fractal]

maybe it was just a clone?

[fiery nimbus]

Let her get away and in the next encounter have her be paralyzed from the legs down but supported with 4 giant spider-like prostetics like Dr. Octo Octavius

[torpid ocean]

I see

[cinder timber]

Family bonding

[hearty bay]

have her minions arrive in a flock to pit-stop a new spine into her body, cars style

in front of the players, even

[weary mist]

Good point

[fiery nimbus]

I wouldn't cure her spine, let the players see the impact they left upon BBEG
just compensate for it with prostetics

[hearty bay]

she could even laugh and say "and they said I've got no spine" to double down on the cheese

her damaged spine, however, gets wrongly discarded and becomes a premium magic drop for the party

[fiery nimbus]

There are so many better options than just curing her and reverting the entire thing
let the players leave some impact

[hot marlin]

Have the BBEG's healer offer the BBEG a choice between standard regeneration spell or a procedure that would leave them in constant pain but with a prosthesis through the spine that would course magic through their body. Then decide what kind of person your BBEG is to decide the answer.

[hearty bay]

I know, I just wanna write a cheesy comeback

[hot marlin]

Make it a plot point. Have the PCs find a discarded laboratory where the healer tried a lesser version of the procedure on some poor victims

[hearty bay]

if I were to work around it, I'd have her summon some sort of boss that'd be her mount, like a gargantuan tarantula or something

or, idk, she hires a special mercenary to enact revenge and the mercenary is bane

[fiery nimbus]

If all fails, rip the soul out of her body and let her come back as a Raveger with full mental capabilities

[hot marlin]

No injury is that severe

[fiery nimbus]

Semi-Immortality in the worst way possible

I just think just having them come back cured the next time they see each others is just kind of... meh

[hot marlin]

Oh! Make the healer obsessed with symbiotic grafting! A procedure that healer has developped where symbiotic organisms are grafted on a person in order to give them greater power. And show the dire consequences of that practice!

[still plover]

... clearly you folks have been busy while I was taking out the trash.

[fiery nimbus]

BOOOOORING

This is using magic to solve a problem in the most boring way possible

[hot marlin]

Dragon organs harvested to be implanted in humans. Demon with amputated limbs kept alive. Angels who have been defeathered and kept in chains to have those wings sawn into someone's skin. Or turned into nails to pierce their muscles and give them angelic strength

[fiery nimbus]

don't think thats how this spell works

[hearty bay]

isn't it better to just use reincarnation, then

[fossil hollow]

True Ressurection can revive any willing creature that died within 200 years

[still plover]

Quit reading my Hellraiser fanfic, you.

[hot marlin]

A dragon's decapitated head replacing someone's arm to breathe fire !

[hearty bay]

it's a much cheaper spell and can cause the consequence of the BBEG being unrecognizable

[fiery nimbus]

Surgically grafting 8 other souls onto her soul so she can bargain with the devil to return her to life

wait thats what happend in TF2 comics...

[hot marlin]

Wait, you were PinheadLover666?

Damn, it's an honour.

[fossil hollow]

damn

[woven flint]

Lawnmower

[hot marlin]

(For the young ones among you: Hellraiser is a horror franchise centered around body horror. The cenobites are a religious order of more or less demons that practice ceremonial mutilation, on themselves and others. Not for the faints of heart, but the first movie is rather beautiful. The rest are generally trash)

[hearty bay]

"that time the druid botched my reincarnation, turning me into a chimera"

[fiery nimbus]

She is paralyzed not dead

[hearty bay]

but she'd die and reincarnate to avoid remaining paralyzed

[fiery nimbus]

i still think she should stay Paralyzed and just compensate with magical items and prostetic

its cooler this way since players left a mark on the enemy

[hearty bay]

She could shave her head and start a school for superhumans

[fossil hollow]

Full Metal Alchemist PTSD

[fiery nimbus]

thats not what isekai means....

[covert iron]

What happens to a elemental when it dies?

[hearty bay]

"that time I tried to reincarnate in another world, but ended up becoming a dragonborn maid instead"

[fiery nimbus]

goes back to elemental plane they came from

[fossil hollow]

usually gets sent back the Elemental Plane they originate from

[fiery nimbus]

again this is not applicable to the situation

also is this a reference to "Lusty Argonian Maid" from Skyrim?

[hearty bay]

deciding to die and reincarnate is still within the scope of what she could do to deal with her predicament

[covert iron]

Like, as the same elemental?

[gray jay]

question, im looking for a one shot game i think its called like a one time game thats starting soon where would i go to find one?

[fossil hollow]

usually yes

[fiery nimbus]

But the "in another world" part is not applicable

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[hearty bay]

this is just memeing with the mentions to isekai

[fiery nimbus]

first mention of isekai was also non applicable

[covert iron]

What outliers are there?

[hearty bay]

hence the memeing

[fossil hollow]

If for some reason they are prohibited from returning back; usually with powerful binding magic

[fiery nimbus]

I guess its pointless to discuss the situation if the interested party just dipped

[hearty bay]

fair

I'd guess her dungeon now would have ramps and elevators, instead of stairs

[fiery nimbus]

Again, Spider Limb Prostetics

Nothing is cooler than 4 Giant Spider Legs sprouting from your back

[cinder timber]

that's horrifying, I like it

[hot marlin]

Important note if you're going for the prosthetics: Make the prosthetic-maker a character.

[fiery nimbus]

I love Giant Spider Legs sprouting from the back

[hearty bay]

I disagree. 8 giant spider limbs goes harder

[cinder timber]

that's a free bond

[fiery nimbus]

Especially if they are used as poisoned Spears on top of that

[hearty bay]

she can even use some as a seat, so her legs don't just flail around

[fiery nimbus]

Nah, let them flail, its even better like that

Giant insect parts on human body are always so cool

[hearty bay]

but having two legs cross to form a seat makes her look more elegant

[gray jay]

is every campaign 18+

[fossil hollow]

no

[fiery nimbus]

Screw Elegance, full on body horror please

[gray jay]

Im new to dnd and every campaign says 18+

[hearty bay]

body horror can be elegant, and having both simultaneously imo makes it more unsettling

[fossil hollow]

this server is only one place to find a game

[fiery nimbus]

People don't like playing with children, makes it safer for everyone involved

[gray jay]

Could you help me find a group to play with it would be my first time play

[gray jay]

Understandable, but i cant ever find a game in dnd

[meager fractal]

It's hard enough to find a good group as an adult. I can't imagine how it is for you youngsters.

[fossil hollow]

This is a guide from another user in this discord for finding a group

[gray jay]

would you know any good oce servers that host games alot?

[meager fractal]

oce?

[fiery nimbus]

Eh, try joining one of the #looking-for-community servers, if you are lucky you will join a West march and they are less picky about their players

[hot marlin]

That's a free boss fight!

I'd design something not unlike a drukhari haemonculi from 40K.

[fossil hollow]

Im just imagining Ahtal-Ka from Monster Hunter. Small(ish) bug monster that pilots a mech

[hot marlin]

In the rogue trader RPG, the haemoniculus Tarvantias the Arch-Machinator has a rather interesting boss battle that involves him having split his soul into five different clone bodies.

That and the hordes of the products of his horrific experiments on the way to serve as the minions

[still plover]

A poor man's Fabulous Bill, if you ask me.

[fossil shuttle]

Ok, so a ballista would be considered a ranged weapon, right?

[hot marlin]

Yes. It certainly would not be a melee weapon

If you're asking what I think you are asking: Yes, a monk can catch a ballista bolt and return it to sender

[gray jay]

yes OCE timezones or around there

[fossil shuttle]

I was gonna say would a rogue be able to use a ballista for sneak attack? It just has to be a light or ranged weapon

[hot marlin]

That too, yes

[fossil shuttle]

Good to know, my party is gonna have to fight an ancient orange dragon at some point soon

[hot marlin]

Orange dragon?

[lean wigeon]

it's a dragon that's orange

[fossil shuttle]

They got rid of them after 3e, but they breath liquid sodium, exploding when it comes into contact with water

They also live in rivers

[lean wigeon]

used to be yellow dragons too

[hot marlin]

So is it what happens when a red dragon and a yellow dragon have a baby ?

[real thunder]

a young red dragon landed infront of our party last session
(BTW do 6 lvl 3 charicters have a chance in that fight or should we keep hiding)

[hot marlin]

I'd recommend hiding.

[still plover]

I don't know, I'm seeing references to it being an object and needing the Ballista Bolt action to fire it, rather than a regular weapon you attack with. #dnd-rules would know.

[hot marlin]

Not only is this a tough fight, tougher than you can handle, it is also an unrewarded fight

[still plover]

Oh yeah, you'll get barbequed for nothing.

[hot marlin]

There is no point in attacking something that, yeah, is probably evil, but mostly has done nothing to you

[idle hare]

Hellooo

[still plover]

Howdy.

[woven flint]

welcome to the server

oh, you've been here lol, you just haven't talked much

[civic notch]

Some of us do that

[hot marlin]

The silent observers of the server.

[woven flint]

Hingler

[idle hare]

Idk if this is the chat to ask but I'm new at dnd, I've never played before and have only watched a few streams, friends of mine want me to make a campaign and I have absolutely no idea what to do, does anyone have any advice? TvT

[hot marlin]

They probably know a lot of embarassing stuff about all of us. But they stay silent and we respect them for that

[civic notch]

Lurking 👀
Scheming 👹

[woven flint]

The Lonkler

[real thunder]

OK cool :3

[woven flint]

The :3

[still plover]

Three short adventures, one common thread. Five Room Dungeon method for each. Start at level 2, level up after each one. Use average damage for monsters to start with while they figure how to play.

[hot marlin]

Start with a Delian Tomb type of deal. Something simple, a few rooms, it's the tomb of a paladin order, and there are goblins in it. A simple tutorial

[idle hare]

Thanks!

[civic notch]

What Smith said, for sure. And there's nothing saying you have to do everything from scratch. Modules are great. Even if you don't run them verbatim, cover-to-cover, they still usually have great stuff to steal

[idle hare]

I honestly do not know what any of that means but I will figure it out! Thank you sm for the help I really appreciate it

[crimson gulch]

The new forgotten realms campaign guide book has an amazing starter dungeon and loads of other good content

[hot marlin]

Google "Delian Tomb". Matthew Colville, perhaps the best D&D youtuber, created that dungeon for a video.

A very simple, level one dungeon, with a few rooms, one trap and ten goblins

[covert iron]

Anyone here watched midwest angelica?

[mystic hornet]

Just putting it out there, I think it'd be fire for the antagonist of a campaign slowly realizing the world is fake and his powers at the final fight are from him breaking the 4th wall.

[hot marlin]

I think this is one of the worst ideas one could ever try to implement.

[mystic hornet]

It would be hard to do correctly but I think it'd be a fun thing if done correctly

[hot marlin]

The fun of TTRPGs comes from the fact that the universe is robust, that your character exists in a world that matters, at least to them, and that is coherent and has verisimilitude.

If you break that, you break everything and you create apathy. It is difficult enough to create engagement, but purposefully destroying the engagement you managed to make is the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot

[gaunt roost]

the problem then comes in the form of the dm needing to disassociate with his own creation. Like, fun story for a movie or TV series, but for a dnd session? How the hell do you portrait a guy that hates you as a person because you guide all their actions while also playing them reasonably, and dont give them unreasonable power because you are now allowed to do whatever? DM has unlimited power, either he hates the guy that has become aware of him (which is himself, oof) and gives him nothing, or he likes him and then the party just dies of pneumonia or whatever offscreen because what stopping dm from metagaming your characters?

[hot marlin]

I cannot emphazise this enough. Yes, perhaps it can be fun if done correctly. But doing it incorrectly destroys the game. And even doing it correctly is less fun than simply not doing it.

[karmic mason]

Random idea

are there whips in DnD, cause it would be sick to have a flying creature with the strategy to bind people and drag them high, dropping them at high ranges.

[gaunt roost]

Just imagine the dm, as the bad guy going "actually its not realistic to be able to survive a fireball, you would be burned on at least 50% of your body and that is lethal" and then tell you your character is dead regardless of saves because 4th wall break

[karmic mason]

DnD is fun because it ISN'T realistic.

[still plover]

Like a roc?

[hot marlin]

No need for a whip, just grapple. It's actually a rather normal tactic for flying creatures. I do it all the time when I run a dragon

[karmic mason]

But for basic creatures that don't want to get close

[still plover]

Oh, missed a bit, my bad.

[gaunt roost]

this particular point was about giving an enemy controlled by the dm the ability to break the 4th wall mechanically. Pointing out logical fallacies is a very common 4th wall break

[karmic mason]

Right.

[gaunt roost]

Also whips do exist, but they slow, nto grapple

[hot marlin]

You can't grapple someone from range, in theory. You would need something custom

[karmic mason]

DnD is fun because no realism, though.

[still plover]

Why not write a three part campaign and find some players to test it?

[still plover]

Roper's got some reach.

[hot marlin]

... I am thinking of the hanging balloon from that Junji Ito story...

[karmic mason]

Yeah I just realized

[mystic hornet]

No I mean't for the story, like in lore that's why he's a threat. It would still be a normal fight

[hot marlin]

(Giant balloons with someone's face on it. They hunt the person whose face they have to hang them.)

[karmic mason]

yup.
one of the best animation adaptations aswell.

[gaunt roost]

I agree. Its not realistic to walk away from falling 200 ft without any major wound because "its an average of 70 damage, I have 110 HP", but it would suck to lose a character of level 12 or whatever due to just. Falling offscreen. Dnd is a battle simulator with narrative focus, so all the damage is abstract anyways, and it makes for a bad story for an epic hero that fights god to die from falling off a roof

[covert iron]

It's D&D relevant I promise. TLDR an angelic/god-like eldritch entity that is able to see the future lands in the U.S. and starts assimilating almost all life in the U.S. NASA labels it AZ-001 partially due to the fact a man who was plagued with visions of the future AZ-001 was giving him, who said the entity was called "Azazel". The U.S. tried to fight it, but ended up just sort of doing as it already knew they would. It ends up defeating the organization in the U.S. made to fight it, absorbed almost all life in north america (not just the U.S. if memory serves me right), and then leaves our solar system at high speed. One of the main things it espoused was that it would give those it absorbed heaven, and even had access to a dimension called the "akashic plane" which connected everything it assimilated. It also kept the knowledge and experiences of all it assimilated. Long story short, I am wondering what seperates that being and D&D celestials. And if aberrations and celestials would be the best two creature types to represent something like that in D&D

[hot marlin]

(Probably an elaborate metaphor for how depression is contagious and can become an epidemic)

[gaunt roost]

you literally said though "his powers in the final fight are from breaking the 4th wall" so how could it be a normal fight?

[covert iron]

Like, would aberrations and celestials fit something like that best, or something else?

[hot marlin]

Seems like an aberration. That kind of eldritch horror is usually reserved for this creature type

[mystic hornet]

Flavor text, it would still use normal game mechanics

[gaunt roost]

Celestials do not absorb life. None of them do. Not a single one is about absorbing anything really, they usually radiate (see radiant damage) energy outwards, dont suck it in like black holes, so yes aberrations are more fitting for something that breaks the laws of nature and the universe

[covert iron]

It left the solar system as a glowing, six eyed biblically accurate angel, made of flesh.

[hot marlin]

Ezekiel-accurate, first off. Regardless, such monsters are usually aberrations.

[karmic mason]

so im doing a character that has a sad backstory, but I'm not having it be revenge that drives him.

[covert iron]

It also chose a guy named similarly to the author of the book of revelations to go to key west Florida to "witness what would pass"

[gaunt roost]

listen, just because something looks like an angel doesnt mean it should be counted like one. Hell, Succubi are beautiful, pale skinned, winged women/men, should they be celestials based on their looks or should they stay demons based on the fact of how they behave and thats what they are?

[hot marlin]

Moreover, the book of revelations was never published on Faerûn. Nor was Ezekiel.

[lyric viper]

Please avoid bringing in real life religions into the topic on this note.

[hot marlin]

The fact that the creature you describe superficially ressembles real life mythological depictions of angels is meaningless. D&D monsters have their creature types attributed by behaviours and origins

If it comes from the upper planes, it's a celestial. That's it. What you describe has the behaviours and abilities of an aberration

[gaunt roost]

It is an age old "twist" of narrative to make angels something horrible and evil and downright absurdly eldritch because "beyond mortal understanding" but thats not how dnd works. Yes, there can be weird morals in devas and solars and whatever, but they still play by alignment rules. A solar wouldnt eat a baby just because you shot it with an eldritch blast

[covert iron]

It knows the future, made glowing apparitions, gave humans warnings, literally gave a human prophetic visions of the next decade of events, which he then managed to make a movie of and release it before the entity even got to earth.

[lyric viper]

You can discuss celestials as they're adapted in D&D and we're aware of their origins in real life mythologies and religions, but let's not dig too deeply into those origins and focus on the D&D interpretations.

In this case Solar, Deva and Planetar are the closest direct inspirations.

[gaunt roost]

That sounds like an illithid. Mindflayers do all these things

[hot marlin]

In D&D, that is textbook aberration behaviour

[gaunt roost]

also mindflayer are aberrations, too

[lyric viper]

Right, Noping this topic. We don't seem to be able to discuss it without risking derailing into religious debate or offense.

[cosmic roost]

https://media-waterdeep.cursecdn.com/attachments/0/828/c2-16.png

[gaunt roost]

this is the kind of celestial I can get behind

[hot marlin]

Modrons are not celestials actually

[gaunt roost]

(wait they are celestials right)

[hot marlin]

No. They are repugnant machine-creatures of the middle planes

[gaunt roost]

darn it, well they should be. Cekestial constructs or whatever

[lyric viper]

They're pure law, rather than lawful good.

Order vs Chaos.

[hot marlin]

A celestial is a thing from the upper planes. Those horrors are from the middle ones.

[gaunt roost]

they are way too cute to not be worshipped is all Im saying

though their newer art is slightly concerning

why is there so much... lips in the newer art

[lyric viper]

Concerning? 👁️ 👄 👁️

[hot marlin]

Do not be fooled by their cuteness! They are horrors beyond the imagination and they should be exterminated to the last.

[reef tundra]

I wish modrons weren’t designed like that :(

[gaunt roost]

why do I feel like Im talking to a wild magic sorcerer

[reef tundra]

I wish I could like Mechanus, everything about it is so cool except for how the modrons look

[covert iron]

I'm a bit bummed ngl. I only got a discord account again to not have to try and get a chat gpt model made to comb through scientific documents and research papers to answer a question about D&D, cause the poor clanker just wasn't built for D&D lore.

[hot marlin]

I will not take this slander. I am simply a concerned citizen alerting others to the horrors of the modron.

[pliant matrix]

Hi I’m new to dnd, I was wondering do wizards start with some spells when a campaign begins and how they get more spells as the campaign goes on?

[covert iron]

?

Sizzler? Like the restaurant?

Ah! Yes.

[stuck shuttle]

If you were wondering about D&D lore you can ask in #dnd-lore . Otherwise you might want to check the celestials’ wiki pages for the setting(s) you’re interested in

[reef tundra]

Yup. Never try the Clanker for dnd stuff

[gaunt roost]

alright, but could you clarify why you have singe marks on your pants and are carrying around 3 potted plants, also where did your friends from yesterday go?

[pliant matrix]

No I typed in wrong and it autocorrected to something random

[covert iron]

I mean the fellows issue is he was built for science.

[reef tundra]

Wizards get spells right at the start and as they level up they get so many more. Like dear god, a lot of spells

[pliant matrix]

Can they get them from scrolls they find along the way too or something?

[hot marlin]

Cooking accident, gardening, holidays in Spain.

[covert iron]

Not to comb through D&D lore. He just wasn't made for it.

[covert iron]

They said no

[reef tundra]

Correct!

[covert iron]

More specifically they directed me here.

[stuck shuttle]

For one sizzlers

For two, I assume you mean sorcerer? The answer is yes Sorcerers start with 4 cantrips and 2 level 1 sorcerer spells from the sorcerer spell list. You get to add more of a level you can cast per their class table.

Check out the Sorcerer class table & Spellcasting feature here:

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Level1SorcererSpellcasting

[pliant matrix]

Ok, also do the spells have to be from the school of mqgic you specialize in like divination e.g.

[gaunt roost]

you start with 6 level 1 spells, and automatically gain 2 spells per level you gain as wizard (but only spell levels you can cast on that level, so no pre-loading level 9 spells at level 2!). You get to add more spells if you find other wizards/spellbooks to learn from and spending gold in form of special magical ink to do so in addition to those automatic ones

[reef tundra]

Nope, but ones you specialise in are cheaper

[pliant matrix]

Thanks

[stuck shuttle]

Ah you meant Wizard lol

Curse me and my slow mobile typing

[covert iron]

This isn't my first time in this server. Ya'll make this place harder to navigate than the Swindon's Magic Roundabout!

[pliant matrix]

Oh yeah also I’m jus asking for a friend but would Vi ,from Aecane specifically not league, be a monk?

[covert iron]

And once I think I've got it, you give me more whiplash than the euthanasia roller coaster ever could. But you guys are still pretty cool.

[gaunt roost]

yes, actually you can put spell scrolls in your spellbook if they are wizard spell

[covert iron]

Depends

[pliant matrix]

Thanks

[covert iron]

Which version of Vi?

[hot marlin]

Fighter also works. Monk is a bit too... Mystical for that character.

[pliant matrix]

The ss1 grown up Vi

[hot marlin]

Monks are very magical in their abilities, they're not just "punch good" types of people

[pliant matrix]

Oh

[stuck shuttle]

I looked up the relevant conversation. It seems you got your questions answered and then got redirected after the conversation left being about what the game says and entered an metaphysical (or just above table) debate on what constitutes good vs evil

[covert iron]

Season 1 grown up Vi? Gloves or no gloves? It matters.

[reef tundra]

I’d say barbarian

[pliant matrix]

Ik but I want to get more answers because she prefers not to play as a monk

[reef tundra]

Although, you’d have to get something to increase unarmed strike damage

[lean wigeon]

fighter

[stuck shuttle]

Oh that was to Xulrif not you modest, you’re good

[pliant matrix]

Errr give me both

[reef tundra]

Maybe a dip in Monk

[covert iron]

I was trying to figure out how good and evil can be determined in D&D when such a thing is too nuanced to be universal

[hot marlin]

The gloves would just be some sort of item, they change nothing to the character

[covert iron]

With gloves, barbarian

[hot marlin]

You have already been told: By the DM.

The DM is the one who determines good and evil, if it matters. And it almost never matters

[covert iron]

More specifically I would suggest looking into something like beast barbarian. You can easily flavor claws as armored gauntlets

[gaunt roost]

Ah! Very simple, remove the nuance because dnd isnt a realistic portrayal of real life and consequences. A good creature wont eat a baby, an evil creature will. Both creatures will kill goblins that attacked a village, either for justice or profit. Hope that helps!

[stuck shuttle]

And then also, D&D settings have creatures, planes & places of objective “good and “evil” as it pertains to alignment and the related mechanical interactions.

[covert iron]

I had meant in regards to a lore based answer. Not the answer I got from this channel.

Now, non gloves is harder

[lyric viper]

D&D gives outlines for out it tries to define it within the setting and game, but each group, setting and game is going to have nuanced takes.
Specific situations will be debated.

More helpful ways to focus on it are asking questions like:

• Is this for a PC or a planar being?
• Is this about setting up a moral dilemma for players?
• Is this about how best to RP something that sticks to what you feel are your characters morals?

[covert iron]

Partially because you have to kind of think what makes non-gloves Vi strong

[pliant matrix]

Muscle

Like goddam that woman is strong

[gaunt roost]

Its collaborative storytelling, so playing morally grey is for neutral characters! And the dm has the final word on what the gods think! Because he plays them. So lathander would not ever classify a vampire as good just because "hes a tortured soul that just tries to cling to life" because that vampire eats people (specifically babies) to survive and thats evil, regardless out outside context

[fossil hollow]

Her family

[lyric viper]

The lore based answer was given- it's just the text on what alignment is defined as in the books.
The further questions of 'Okay but how are we defining that particular word? How does it apply to X?' is for you to play around with in the game.

[pliant matrix]

That too

[tame siren]

hello

[pliant matrix]

Hiii

[hot marlin]

Muscles. Specifically biceps. Triceps too. Good quadriceps. Also abdominals

[tame siren]

someone speaks spanish

[covert iron]

Hmm.. I'd need to take a closer look at the barbarian subclasses again, but I would say that the ancestry barbarian would fit the family aspect

[fossil hollow]

this is an english only server unfortunately

[gaunt roost]

Hello! Also sadly no spanish, no

[lyric viper]

I'm afraid the server is English language only, but there might be people who can speak Spanish in PMs or there might be Spanish speaking games in the LFG channels.

[covert iron]

The spirits or memories of family helping her out. I may be off base here, but in terms of more embodying her strength, berserker would work pretty good. Although for the best of both worlds, do a zealot barbarian

[tame siren]

thank´s

[hot marlin]

I'd simply go with a fighter.

[covert iron]

The spirits and memories of her family helping her hold on, close to or even past death itself

[pliant matrix]

Thaaaaanks

[covert iron]

Just one more punch, one more kick, one more breath to remember those she lost. Yeah, for non gloves Vi, Zealot barbarian would fit best

[fossil hollow]

Could also be a monk honestly

[half quiver]

Hey, if it's okay, I'd appreciate some help with brainstorming potential with a character I've made.

I'm currently a lvl 3 Astral Monk Aarakocra, and while I'm doing pretty good in combat situations so far, I regularly struggle with creative thinking when it comes to problem solving/ or just using shenanigans to meet my goals. I have access to a small arsenal of spells too.

Anyone willing to just roll ideas around?

[hollow estuary]

Hey! is it okay if I post a character build here?

[hot marlin]

Figuratively, perhaps. But in D&D, those things are not normally figurative, they're literal. If she doesn't actually have the spirits of her family helping her through death, she's just a fighter.

[fossil hollow]

#character-discussion

[lyric viper]

#character-discussion can help give some feedback or, if you wanna get extra crunchy, see what folks in #optimization think!

[lean wigeon]

i never really liked the whole "flavor is free" thing

[hollow estuary]

Got it! Like extra crunchy as in complicated?

[gaunt roost]

its a shame I cannot watch arcane. Tried it once, realized only after being very confused about the episode that the streaming site started me out with the last episode. So I was entirely spoiled about the ending, and really disliked some essential characters because I didnt see how they reached that point, which stopped me from enjoying the actual first episode

[covert iron]

Idk, Vi has always been aggressive. She fights with her fists sure, but whenever she does fight you can see the anger, the pain, the rage in her swings. And one of the few things that stops that rage? People who look like powder. The one person Vi truly regrets hurting when she needed her most.

[reef tundra]

My catchphrase

But also like… it is. Flavour is free

[lyric viper]

Crunchy in this case an in crunching those numbers to really get the most optimised version of your idea. However if it's more about the flavour and you're not so interested in really focusing on the numbers, #character-discussion might be better.

[hot marlin]

In truth, Arcane's Vi is nothing special. She's a street fighter with big muscles and good skills in a fight. She has not a shred of supernatural ability. That's a fighter

[gaunt roost]

Thats a very weird take fora level 30 swordmage

I mean, swordmages dont exist, neither does level 30

[reef tundra]

But angy :(

[lean wigeon]

4e

[reef tundra]

No fr jokes aside yes I’d say fighter too

Thinking about it, she does fight more like a fighter than a barbarian

[gaunt roost]

according to WOTC, nobody played 4e, so you playing 4e is in itself just flavour! /j

[covert iron]

She's fought a person with a bionic arm, drugged up super soldiers, and has managed to fight right after getting shot

[reef tundra]

Fighters can do that too

[raw tundra]

How's it going?

[reef tundra]

Second wind, good recovering

[lean wigeon]

for one, people often flavor the flavor out of a class/ancestry or whatever. in an effort to try to flavor something into something else, they ironically destroy flavor by handwaving pre-established setting and narrative truths

otoh, for all the flavor people assign to whatever it is they want their character to do or to be, it does not, in the end, have any mechanical nor narrative effect whatsoever. D&D isn't really that kind of game in the end

[lyric viper]

I feel like when you're adapting a character from another media into D&D, you don't have to stick to the literal too much and can go for the spirit of the character

[fossil hollow]

Which can also be a monk thing as well, Rage isnt the only way to portray a character whose hurting inside

[hot marlin]

Yes. Ordinary D&D fighter

[high mesa]

yeah i kinda hate directly using characters from outside media as pcs unless it's a one shot, like i don't need to see frieren in my games, but you can an old magic loving elf with similar qualities without straight up being that character

[covert iron]

An unarmored, unarmed fighter going toe to toe with a drug fueled villainess with a bionic arm seems... plausible but not very survivable for a low level fighter to do solo, which Vi would have been in the beginning.

[fossil hollow]

I mean, Prosthetic Arms are a common magic item

[hot marlin]

Tell me, how many hit points does that villainess with a bionic arm have? Armor Class? Damage? How many attacks a turn?

[covert iron]

This is more like the arcane propulsion arm from ebberon

[stoic obsidian]

I had fun in a lvl 5 one shot as a wild heart barbarian, even finish off two enemies with my unarmed strikes ( one of them crit)

[covert iron]

Let's say a level 2 fighter going up against a bandit captain alone

[fossil hollow]

eh, flavor is free

[reef tundra]

I was about to say “would a low level barbarian be able to either?” But I know damn well a barbarian could do good

[oak coyote]

hi everybody I am new in the server and new at dnd as well, and i have a question about liches can i ask in this chat to find the answer?

[covert iron]

I mean, even if they lost, they'd do better

[reef tundra]

You may! Although lore questions would be #dnd-lore but here would do fine for other things

[stoic obsidian]

Even without weapons

[split latch]

I am bored

[hot marlin]

Why level 2?

[reef tundra]

Actually I’d give that edge to fighter due to unarmed fighting style

[covert iron]

She was fresh out of prison (aka her background)

[gaunt roost]

The narrative aspect is only as deep as you, the group, make it. Sure, mechanically it doesnt do much. But what for example a World Tree Barbarians connection to the world tree actually is, now that is personal and narrativly important. Yggdrasil doesnt even exist in some settings, so going by base flavor would be doing it injustice. Is the barbarian maybe half-plant himself and its his roots hes sharing? Is he tapping into teh lifeforce of his ancestors, and its not roots but ghosts that show up to visualize his effects? Do you forgo effects altogether and just go "I give you 3d6 temp HP" because you hate fluff and just want the mechanical part out of the way? Thats up to yoru table

[fossil hollow]

background and level dont have to correlate

[hot marlin]

What makes you think that's the background?

[reef tundra]

A barbarian would have to rely on tavern brawler, but it only does a d4 compared to unarmed fighting style’s d6 and d8 with empty hands

[fossil hollow]

Her Background would simply be Criminal

[covert iron]

So level 2 honestly seems fair if not slightly generous, considering she was constantly in solitary

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, but hey knocking heads off of enemies is fun

[hot marlin]

What makes you think a character just out of their background is necessarily low level ?

[fossil hollow]

also, Backstory =/= Background

[reef tundra]

I can agree with that

[stoic obsidian]

I did that today against a goblin with a upper cut

[warped vine]

Yo im sorta new

[covert iron]

How many opportunities to fight do you get locked alone in a cell?🤔

[lean wigeon]

anyone can be angry. that does not make them a barbarian. rage is also not necessarily anger in the context of dnd barbarian. it can be anything from the primal manifestations of their emotions to communing with primal spirits of the natural world. Vi does neither of those. a barbarian would be more like Udyr

[narrow moss]

hello sorta new I'm Silas

[raw tundra]

Hey!

[warped vine]

Really😑

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah

[narrow moss]

lol

[fossil hollow]

Fighting is not the only way to get XP

[gaunt roost]

First off, solitary confiment is for problem prisoners and should be abolished because its just torture. Secondly, what prison DOESNT have fights constantly?!

[reef tundra]

Laughs in milestone /lhj

[warped vine]

My cousin taught me a bit but Im still trying to grasp the concept

[hot marlin]

What makes you think she was always locked alone, considering the show establishes that she trained heavily and kept herself fit and that she was in a fight with another prisoner? What makes you think there is a correlation between how many fights she would have been in and her level?

[narrow moss]

i really do like the idea of milestone lvls

[reef tundra]

Ah don’t worry, it’s a hobby you improve in time

[fossil hollow]

and yeah, shes not always in solitary

[reef tundra]

I find it fits me way better

[fossil hollow]

#homebrew

[lilac olive]

Oh sorry

[narrow moss]

i just don't wanna keep track of yet another number with xp lol

[reef tundra]

Discourages murder hobos, makes for more interesting level ups, makes it easier for me to manage, etc

[narrow moss]

plus milestone feels more significant i guess

[reef tundra]

I agree

[covert iron]

Let's humor the fighter advocates for a second. What subclass would she get?

[narrow moss]

and yeah all of that too

[hot marlin]

I don't get it. Are you arguing in favour of another class or in favour of a higher level?

[reef tundra]

Why are we taking this as a more serious debate?

[narrow moss]

idk

[fossil hollow]

Probably Battlemaster or Champion

[hot marlin]

Also, champion or battlemaster

[reef tundra]

I’d say champion

[narrow moss]

i kinda just got here tbh

[fossil hollow]

First

[covert iron]

I said barbarian. That seems to fit best to me.

[hot marlin]

Damn Ti you're fast sometimes

[reef tundra]

Vi isn’t the most tactical

[fossil hollow]

near 60 wpm

[lilac olive]

ok I posted in homebrew sorry about forgetting about that chat for a moment

[covert iron]

Battle master? Elaborate

[reef tundra]

Fastest type in the west

[oak coyote]

Thank you for the sympathy!^^ well i search about liches to see why are they so popular, and i found out that they can be ""created"" when making a ritual for a demon lord more specifically Orcus, and i was wondering if that is restricted only to him or any ritual to any demon lord

[narrow moss]

my brain read wpm as weapons per minute for a second there

[reef tundra]

Liches are way more than that

[fossil hollow]

Maneuvers are her using certain moves and stances or boxing techniques she was taught

[reef tundra]

Their ritual can be entirely without Orcus or demons

[narrow moss]

lichdom is a whole process

[fossil hollow]

Boxing isnt just punch punch

[covert iron]

Wasn't she only taught as a kid?

[reef tundra]

I can see that actually

[fossil hollow]

street fighting like what Vi does is definitely something you add some techniques to

[high mesa]

if you become a lich do you essentially lose your soul? can you not still be good and be a lich?

[narrow moss]

man idk

[hot marlin]

No, it's in your jar. No, it requires killing and eating the souls of others

[reef tundra]

Lichdom kinda requires mass sacrifice a lot of the time and a huge desire for power. I can’t think of a single good or even neutral character who’d become a Lich

[fossil hollow]

and? Those are the core techniques she got from Vander. Every other maneuver is a result of her adapting and improvising or new techniques she figured out afterwards

[reef tundra]

Experience is a very good teacher

[narrow moss]

it isn't a wholesome process nor is it quick

[covert iron]

Isn't one of battle masters main thing with maneuvers disarming/slowing type things or giving allies things to do outside their turns?

[lilac olive]

Oh sorry

[hot marlin]

It's mostly disarming and other stuff like that

[sleek cloud]

I have returned to the land of the living

[fossil hollow]

Not the only thing.

[reef tundra]

And no lichdom was needed

[narrow moss]

huzzah

[fossil hollow]

Not all Battlemasters will take Commander's Strike. BM is a build a bear subclass

[sleek cloud]

this time

Battlemaster is great

[lean wigeon]

battlemaster was a mistake

[fossil hollow]

should have been base fighter, but thats long gone for that chance, thanks to the 5e testers

[covert iron]

I said one of the main, not the only. Also, has Vi really been seen disarming people often?

[fossil hollow]

there is no "main" maneuver

[reef tundra]

You got some real hot takes. I can respect that

[fossil hollow]

theyre all options

[covert iron]

I mean, I think she usually has flashbacks before or during fights doesn't she?

[sleek cloud]

Riposte my beloved

[glass granite]

Yo just got here, someone trying to make Vi?

[oak coyote]

So its okay to make a lich that their process of lichdom is with another demon lord like Graz'zt or Mephisto for example?

[fossil hollow]

PTSD and flashbacks are not limited to one class

[narrow moss]

idk what a Vi is

but i guess so?

[reef tundra]

The other demon lords don’t excel in undead as much as Orcus

[fossil hollow]

Vi from Arcane/League of Legends. The purple one with gauntlets

[high mesa]

it's the roman numeral for 6

[glass granite]

Your information has been invaluable

[narrow moss]

holy ping batman

[covert iron]

Idk, every time it happens it seems to give her the push needed to get the W. Sounds kinda barbarian rage-esque to me.

[civic notch]

Not having maneuvers baked into the base fighter class is the only real mistake.

[glass granite]

First thought is armorer artificer

[reef tundra]

Agreed

[fossil hollow]

Indomitable, Second Wind

[glass granite]

Second thought is monk

[fossil hollow]

Rally

[reef tundra]

GET THAT OUTA HERE /j

[narrow moss]

lol

[hot marlin]

Have you heard of the fighter class feature second wind?

[covert iron]

Honestly, monk I do see

[reef tundra]

Ain’t nobody talking artificer in front of me /j /silly

[fossil hollow]

already said it :P

[reef tundra]

Can’t beat the Ti-train

[hot marlin]

Damn

[civic notch]

I like Vi more as an unarmed fighter, but that's just me

[fossil hollow]

im like one of those momentum based machines, once i start, i cant be slowed

[glass granite]

Reflavour her gauntlets as light hammers, or heck even as unarmed strikes. She’s fast (at least in the game), punches you to oblivion and last I checked she didn’t wear armor

[lean wigeon]

my gripe with battlemaster is that its existence precludes the idea of maneuvers being a base fighter feature

[glass granite]

Her gauntlets are definitely weapons, but that doesn’t stop monk yeah

[covert iron]

Those typically tied to Rage/PTSD flashbacks of your beloved murdered family you currently are fighting to avenge?

[fossil hollow]

Flavor is free. Rage never is at base either

[reef tundra]

You can certainly flavour them as that

[civic notch]

Yeah I just don't see her doing all that much "monk stuff," if you know what I mean. She's more of a brawler. Throw hands first, think second.

[glass granite]

Hol’up barbarian works no?

[reef tundra]

How the heck do you keep doing this /lhj

[civic notch]

But you can always flavor a monk as a boxer so it's a style choice.

[fossil hollow]

i casted Foresight

[reef tundra]

I can honestly see all of them working

There honestly isn’t a right answer here

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, the arguement im making is that Barb is not the only one that fits, but does fit her better

[high mesa]

anyone here play 2xko just curious

[civic notch]

I can dig it

[glass granite]

Tavern brawler. Also monks in dnd don’t need to be a monk. I don’t think I’ve made more than two actual monk monks, and I love monks.

[narrow moss]

true

[covert iron]

Okay, mb. I misunderstood.

[fossil hollow]

Last monk i made was a goliath who wanted to be the jailer of the titans

[reef tundra]

Metal af

[fossil hollow]

Hekatoncheire coded

[reef tundra]

Last Monk I made was… Aaravos, a nutcase traitor of the ways who learned the power of rage

[civic notch]

By "monk stuff" I more meant the really acrobatic shenanigans. She plants her feet like a boxer, not super mobile.

At least in the show. Idk how she is in the games cuz I wouldn't touch League with a 10 ft pole, hah

[covert iron]

I had thought you guys were arguing the others fit better than barb. I miscommunicated. I see them all fitting reasonably well, just barb seems to fit better.

[narrow moss]

totally valid

[reef tundra]

Good choice, good choice… spare yourself from such a fate

[fossil hollow]

oh i was arguing that fighter fits a bit better, but if you wanna play her as a barb, its a valid choice

[narrow moss]

only fun i had in league was player vs bots usually

[reef tundra]

Ah there’s no problem. That’s what makes this so interesting

[narrow moss]

people are so toxic there.

[glass granite]

I just know that she can rush you down in the game, don’t play it much. Plus, boxers are light on the feet.
-# like a step of the wind. They also have a patient defence. And can make flurries of blows.

[high mesa]

i mean i just play games with text chat off you don't even notice

[narrow moss]

fair

[glass granite]

If i were to play Vi I’d definitely make her a monk tbh

[narrow moss]

monk does sound like a better choice

[reef tundra]

A friend of mine was helping me pick which classes arcane characters would be and I forbid them from saying artificer for Viktor and Jayce

[narrow moss]

lol

[reef tundra]

Even though I knew they were right and artificer would fit them best.

[civic notch]

Yeah probably.
I think it's just me looking at PUNCH GIRL WITH BIG GOOFY ROBOT HANDS and I think a Str/Con character

[reef tundra]

I may be married to two wizards but I will keep up the slander forever

[fossil hollow]

she has taken quite the beating over the years. And is also very ripped

[glass granite]

You definitely can still do barb

I just rlly rlly rlly like monks

[civic notch]

Esp. since the new monk ROCKS

[fossil hollow]

my favorite martials

[civic notch]

-# I kind of wish they'd bring back Warlord

[fossil hollow]

ive been starving for a commander/tactician class

[civic notch]

For real. Doing a battle master with leader maneuvers is like... Warlord Lite. Diet Warlord.
It's just not the same 😿

[lean wigeon]

you will have banneret and you will be happy

[fossil hollow]

Commander's Strike is neat, but gimme moar

[fossil hollow]

im a bit interested in playing it one day

[civic notch]

Also, remember how Ranger was a full martial in 4e? Peppridge Farm remembers.

[gaunt roost]

remember how ranger was one of the better/best (Striker) classes in 4e?

[civic notch]

Absolutely. The ranger in our party was ridonculous.

[meager fractal]

yeah rangers were crazy in 4e

[gaunt roost]

They have phased out leader classes as such, so warlord really cannot come back without some fundamental changes to make them more self-centered

[snow agate]

todays session was fun

[meager fractal]

hon we have warlord at home.
(warlord at home is battlemaster fighter)

[snow agate]

we had a hit squad of maids attack us like it was a call of duty mission