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”Fallen angels retain their power but lose their connection to the deities from which they were made. Most fallen angels take their banishment personally, rebelling against the powers they served by seeking rulership over a section of the Abyss or a place among other fallen in the hierarchy of the Nine Hells. Zariel, the ruler of the first layer of the Nine Hells, is such a creature. Rather than rebel, some fallen angels resign themselves to an isolated existence on the Material Plane, living in disguise as simple hermits. If they are redeemed, they can become powerful allies dedicated to justice and compassionate service.”
From the MM

iron saffron
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She's not a demon.

dry tusk
iron saffron
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No....
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Zariel#History

Outnumbered by the devils, the army was defeated and the survivors fled in terror and shame. Asmodeus sent a delegation of osyluths to retrieve her unconscious body from underneath a mountain of the dead, whereupon the Lord of the Nine allowed her to recover and congratulated her. Zariel succumbed to the corrupting nature of Hell and Asmodeus made her an archdevil and dubbed her his champion

thorny hound
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Are there any deities, demons, devils, something greater than mere mortal that has affinity for both fire/heat and ice/cold ?

feral lintel
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A lot of gods

thorny hound
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Would you be so kind and name some of them ? I can only think of Tiamat and I dunno if that's even correct

feral lintel
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Fire ice is pretty much any God who deals with weather

vocal mortar
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Talos the Destroyer maybe?

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Should be involved in all kind of earth, wind and fire-related destruction I guess. The wiki takes up Fire as one of his things and says he is the leader of the three gods of Fury that includes Auril (Frostmaiden)

jagged apex
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though on the deity side of things are likely part of sort of broader domains more so, as otherwise they seem too opposite to be something controlled by the same being, if i had to guess such domains would likely be either Destruction, Creation, and Nature

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closest thing i found among the gods was Gond for example but he has the domains of fire and earth, but if the nature idea is true, technically Talos would presumably fit the bill in regards to a god

jagged apex
heavy flame
jagged apex
fervent cosmos
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What is "the mourning" and how,fast/slow did it move that a lightning train could outrun it? Doing a google search didnt actually reveal much beyond a giant flash of light/mist cloud enveloping cyre?

jagged apex
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it's an event from the eberron setting

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there are some things about it, such as the cause/origin of it, are unknown

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presumably the event itself lasted no longer than a day, but that is just an educated guess based mainly on the name of the event

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and by event, incase it is not clear, i mean cataclysm

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presumably it was able to escape the disaster do to the otherworldly nature of the mists which sucked it into the domains of dread

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so speed was not really relevant one could argue

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heck, could probably also argue it did not technically outrun it

jagged apex
fervent cosmos
jagged apex
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in 5e though via the "eberron: rising from the last war" sourcebook seems established a lightning rail train travels at a speed of 30 mph

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and again, looking at things further, seems in the case of some trains of note like the Cyre 1313, it did not technically escape the disaster let alone out run it

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we just know the disaster was according to the wiki's citation quote "a magical holocaust of unknown origins" as they put it, far as i know no further specifics of the disaster itself were given

fervent cosmos
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Yeah, weird that it only took a day, and there was no prewarning of it. According the van's guide cyre 1313 didnt make it and was consumed but the mists swallowed it the same time as the cataclyms? Everybody on board is a ghost in any case (though they dont know it)

iron island
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Just to remind myself (make all the fun you want) the "official" world of DnD is still Faerun right

jagged apex
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well, it is not only magic, but also a holocaust, likely in this definition of the word "destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war." but instead of either of those things, it is magic

jagged apex
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dnd has many settings and editions and some settings were more prominent than others in certain editions

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also faerun is not a world

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it is a continent on the world of toril in the forgotten realms setting

fervent cosmos
jagged apex
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otherwise, to my knowledge at least in 5e the forgotten realms is the default setting for dnd used in most published material

jagged apex
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some people tend to just assume things, for better or worse

fervent cosmos
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One thing i'm not 100% sure on : is a darklord aware they are in ravenloft? Or do they still think they're in their home/place of origin? How does this impact the closing of borders? Are they aware of how the mists close the borders when they will it or is it more of a they dont understand how it works, it just does somehow?

jagged apex
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could vary, i am not too certain myself, if you mean the darklord of the cyrie 1313 specifically, all i know is that in 5e they are someone known as "The Last Passenger", the whole point of which is keeping them secretive, and i doubt they even know what the domains of dread are, and is not like is really relevant to their situation or the purpose the dark powers use them and all the other darklords for

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heck is not like them being aware they are not on their world of origin anymore would help them in anyway

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given they are described as the unwitting darklord, i am inclined is to presume that if i had to guess them not being aware is more likely than the other option

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cuz remember, normally eberron is has a self contained cosmology, meaning it is cut off from the other planes, thus independent, of the typical dnd cosmos, the domains of dread via their mists is one of the few things connecting them, and even then given how rare it is for anyone to ever return from the domains of dread, i see 0 reason for anyone from eberron to even know what that is let alone any sort of details about it

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plus even if they could understand or know any of that, they still would not be able to leave the domain that the train and portion of the disaster is trapped in

fervent cosmos
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Well i just ment in general as v.s. cyre 1313

jagged apex
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in general, far as i know it can vary

fervent cosmos
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Fair enough

spiral igloo
pallid flower
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Eberron leaves The Mourning intentionally vague to let the DM fill in the blanks
There’s also a special type of carriage that goes 60mph

fervent cosmos
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Oh ok, i'm not familiar at all with eberron so that's why i asked, thought maybe there was more lore i was unaware of

spiral igloo
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The Day of Mourning. There is not a soul, living or dead, that can tell what happened. As the war raged, a dead gray mist swept over Cyre, killing everything in its path, or worse. No one knows the exact body count of that day. Cyre was reduced to a nightmarish hellscape.

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What horrifies me about Cyre 1313 is that at least one person on that lightning rail is alive. Maybe more, but a Dragonmark will not work for an undead and a lightning rail will NOT work without the Mark of Passage.

fervent cosmos
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Well it's powered by necrotic power?

spiral igloo
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A lightning rail is powered by a dragonshard and controlled by someone with the Mark of Passage

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So, someone tried that. It went bad. So very, very, VERY bad

fervent cosmos
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Yeah, but it says in vgr that cyrec1313 is powered by necrotic power and controlled by the dark powers,

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Both, but in this instance i think they mean in lore

spiral igloo
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But, no. There is no god relating to eternal life/immortality. Kyuss is the only one who I can think of, but his version of immortality is undead. The Blood of Vol believes a person can become immortal and a divine being, but they have no god.

fervent cosmos
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Wouldnt the god/goddess of life work?

spiral igloo
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No. Every deity of life tends to recopgnize live without death is no life at all.

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That'd be a druid you are looking for

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At their higher levels, druids age 1 year for every decade that pass.

fervent cosmos
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Pelor maybe? I mean he's pretty big in the life domain?

spiral igloo
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Also, you know what, thisi s a hot take, but the Dark Powers suck at what they do. You look at any Dark Lord and you honestly are telling me these are the people that needed to be imprisoned in their own special prison? Seriously? These are the ones? Have you any idea what Iggwilv has done? Or Vecna? Iuz looks at a list of war crimes and sees his to do list

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Tiamat is the Queen of Chromatic Dragons

reef cape
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Nobody is too powerful for the dark powers to capture, but it seems like there are rules. They can't seem to be able/willing to capture actual gods, and it seems that the possibility of capture hinges on a specific decision.

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A person could be immensely evil, but if they don't fulfill a specific condition, cannot be captured

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And last, but not least, the idea that the Dark Powers do it to minimize harm to the multiverse by capturing extremely dangerous people is dubious at best and is just presented as a theory.

spiral igloo
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Vecna was a mortal, then a lich, then a god. They could have caught him any time before god

fervent cosmos
spiral igloo
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Do you have any idea who Vecna or Iggwilv are? They didn't just reach the peak, they set the damn bar

fervent cosmos
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My point

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Igg and venca are always moving the bar higher and higher.... strahd for example plateaud and wasnt going to go any higher

reef cape
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Strahd was always mediocre. Strahd was never going to be a god, he was never going to conquer more lands.

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Vecna, on the other hand, as long as that guy is free, more despair is created, which creates more people for the dark powers to feed on.

spiral igloo
reef cape
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That's a really big "if".

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And again, they have rules. Lots and lots and lots of rules.

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Perhaps they haven't captured Vecna because they don't have the ability to.

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As for Iggwilv, she's basically harmless.

spiral igloo
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The Witch Queen is anything but harmless.

reef cape
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Powerful, yes. Still harmless.

spiral igloo
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Tell that to the Perranlands

reef cape
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She always had standards, and never reached the depths of depravity that others do. And more importantly, she doesn't have those kinds of ambitions anymore.

spiral igloo
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I call bullshit on that.

modest badger
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Remember to be polite to each other even when disagreeing.

spiral igloo
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Not the opinion, more that Wizards of the Coast is trying to focus more on her being Tasha than Iggwilv. Let these people be evil!

reef cape
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And, again, consider the fact that most dark lords are actually rather mundane, all things considered.

modest badger
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Tasha as Iggwilv was certainly terrifying. She gained the title Witch Queen for a reason, wrote the demonomicon, and is an enemy in various AD&D modules.

But she's also an ancient being centuries years old who has immense power and seems happy to reinvent herself. As Crawford once put it 'She's what ever alignment she needs to be'.

reef cape
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Strahd is a petty misogynist who thinks he's entitled to a woman who just one day happened to smile in his general direction. It doesn't get more pathetic.

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The rest are petty politicians, ordinary tyrants... Only a few really have abilities, skills or ambitions that match their egos.

spiral igloo
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Yeah, at the end of the day, Strahd's an incel.

modest badger
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Yep! Many Stranger Things monsters are named after D&D monsters (Demogorgon, Mind Flayer, Vecna) but they bare no resemblance to the D&D version.
The Demogorgons were named simply because that was the figure Eleven was using to represent them when talking about the monsters.
Mind Flayer was a very loose connection on a psychic enemy.
Vecna was a curious one because technically he'd have to be nearly entirely homebrewed by Eddie at that point in the ST Series as Vecna was only a barely mentioned character at that point in 1e. But he fit the theme of scary undead 'mage'.

spiral igloo
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I just don't want to see my villains spayed or neutered. We get the Greyhawk stuff, I want to see Iuz as a god

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Yeah, had fun telling new players Demogorgon from D&D could eat Demogorgon from Stranger Things

reef cape
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I don't see how it affects "your" villains.

fervent cosmos
# spiral igloo Yeah, at the end of the day, Strahd's an incel.

Strahd gets the job done for the dark powers, which is to produce dread and despair that they can feed on, they're only prisoners because of the same reason you keep a dairy cow inside of a fence, so things cant kill it and so it doesnt run away and stop giving you free milk.

modest badger
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Vale of Shadows was also not actually a thing in D&D at that time, but loosely based on the Shadow Plane (which later became the Shadowfell)

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The kids in Stranger Things also don't play strictly by AD&D rules. But the spirit of the game is shown. (Although that point is getting more into #dnd-discussion than lore)

fervent cosmos
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There is also the copyright question, they can only use/be so accurate within the constraints of what is public domain and/or what wotc will let them

modest badger
fervent cosmos
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Subject change: is there a ravenloft plane dedicated to mimics and/or body horror?

spiral igloo
fervent cosmos
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I have 1 player afraid of mimics, and another that is very vain/narcassistic, so want to give them some type of ...desease/body modification that makes them fugly or deformed somehow....

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And mimics

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Was thinking of the frankensteinesc realm (i'm bad at names) but it doesnt really have mimics that i'm aware of?

reef cape
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There are a few fungal monsters you could use.

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Infestation and disease, as a theme, can work very well.

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Though do consider that every disease is cured with a simple spell

fervent cosmos
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Every normal desease, yes, but if it's a curse.... or not even a desease at all but just presents itself as the players darkest fear made manifest... lil harder for a simple spell to remove

reef cape
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Actually, remove curse is also a spell.

fervent cosmos
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In any case i'm noy worried about the players removing the fear

unkempt merlin
jagged apex
jagged apex
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sometimes even if a spell can cure something it is not nessissarily simple especially if it is something that partially a curse or is innate to your being, even a wish spell can not "cure" you from lycanthropy if you are born with it, and a wish spell is largely the most powerful spell mortal casters these days can cast

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granted i could be wrong, but this is the case as i understand it based on lore i have either heard from lore youtubers or read myself

reef cape
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So yes, you are wrong in this instance.

jagged apex
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the classification, at least in some editions, includes disease, all be it supernatural, but is still disease in such cases

reef cape
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This edition it's a curse, not a disease.

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That's the current lore.

jagged apex
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well to be fair, far as i can tell, prior no edition was specified

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and some spells are by no means simple, at least from a lore perspective, the ability to access magic at all can vary from setting to setting

fervent cosmos
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Is there an explaination somewhere how nepenthe became a darklord to a carnival?

jagged apex
light cradle
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So you could spend like a thousand years on the astral plane and it’s like a day to people in the material plane?

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Or reversed?

reef cape
jagged apex
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time in the astral plane is "Flowing (1000 real years = 1 subjective day)"

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real years meaning years on the prime material plane

light cradle
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So if you spend one day on the astral plane 1000 years will have passed on the material plane?

reef cape
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And whoever wrote that part of the wiki misunderstood what the manual of the planes was actually saying anyways.

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To quote the manual of the planes that the wiki uses as a source:
Time: Subjective time flows slowest on the astral plane of all the known major plane of existence. A thousand years pass before the traveler feels the effects of a single day in **terms of aging or wear on physical items**. Spells cast on the astral plane have their normal duration according to the true time of the plane. A potion ingested in the Astral plane is permanent for as long as the individual remains on the Astral— it resumes its normal duration upon entering another plane.Time flows at the same rate in the known planes, but the effects of time slow down in the Astral plane to the point where they almost stop completely. This means that a viewer at one of the color pools does not witness a world frozen in time, but one in which time passes at the same rate as for the viewer.

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Even if we consider the manual of the planes to still be canon, the wiki editors grossly misunderstood those paragraphs.

sharp owl
reef cape
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No humanoid can be immune to lycanthropy. Every non-humanoid is immune to lycanthropy.

slow river
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Is there much writing on how Dragonborns treat religion?

reef cape
slow river
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The normal one. Faerun I think

reef cape
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So, first let's take the player's handbook and we have this:

To any dragonborn, the clan is more important than life itself. Dragonborn owe their devotion and respect to their clan above all else, even the gods.

jagged apex
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faerun is not a setting, it is a specific part of a setting

reef cape
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And then, for actual Forgotten Realms specific lore, we turn to the sword coast's adventurer's guide. There we have:

Because they were forced to worship their draconic masters in times past, dragonborn are generally skeptical about religion, seeing it as a form of servitude

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So, in summary: Dragonborns, as a group, tend to be among the least religious people of the Forgotten Realms. They value independance and submitting to a faith or creed tends to rub them the wrong way. As individuals, they tend to gravitate towards either the draconic deities, or deities of honor and loyalty.

jagged apex
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that is a bit of an oversimplification i feel

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especially since monk enjoyer did not specific a specific edition and while paladins in 5e are not by default religious, they still can be

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the majority of dragonborn are historically described as being agnostic

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also, to my knowledge, the proper plural use of their race is the same as nonplural, simply being "dragonborn"

reef cape
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I cited my sources and simply reiterated what those two sources, taken together, stated.

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The Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide establishes that Dragonborn are generally skeptical on religion, and that the individuals who did turn towards it gravitated towards deities that appealed to their cultural sensibilities in general.

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The player's handbook establishes that dragonborn culture places loyalty to the clan above deities.

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And I don't see how paladins are relevant to this?

slow river
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Oh so they do sometimes worship non dragon deities? Interesting thanks

reef cape
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Sometimes yes. In the Forgotten Realms, some gravitate towards Tyr, Torm, Tempus. Gods of strength, loyalty and honor.

thorny hound
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Who exactly is a Warlock ? Can Warlocks make pacts with greater deities like Silvanus, Talos, Selune etc ?

feral lintel
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Warlocks are seekers of the knowledge that lies hidden in the fabric of the multiverse. Through pacts made with mysterious beings of supernatural power, warlocks unlock magical effects both subtle and spectacular. Drawing on the ancient knowledge of beings such as fey nobles, demons, devils, hags, and alien entities of the Far Realm, warlocks piece together arcane secrets to bolster their own power.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/7-warlock

unkempt merlin
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There are warlocks of deities yes

thorny hound
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How does that happen ?

unkempt merlin
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Same ways it can happen with anything else

thorny hound
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Fair

reef cape
# thorny hound How does that happen ?

Deity is not a category. Tiamat is a dragon, a fiend and a god, Bahamut is a dragon, a celestial and a god. Asmodeus is a fiend and a god. Auril is a fey and a god

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If you have a pact with a deity, you have a pact with whatever that deity is. Celestial, undying/undead, fiend, great old one...

sharp owl
heady lodge
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What's up with Juiblex
Can someone loredump about him real quick

heady lodge
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(Also if you wanna make a deity patron warlock but your DM won't budge on deities = clerics, there is some grey area about whether Primus is a god or just god-like. Enough for some wiggle room with your DM)

slow river
feral lintel
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Bahamut's Avatar is

unkempt merlin
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the gods themselves are not necessarily a creature type, but their avatar may be one

iron saffron
jagged apex
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to my knowledge one of the few deities we have an example of employing both clerics and warlocks is the raven queen, most deities to my knowledge tend to make use of clerics rather than warlocks, but if the raven queen can do so, i see little if any reason another god could not do the same in theory, but far as i know in actual published lore the raven queen is the only such example we technically have

queen spire
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How do I kill a FR god?

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Furthermore, would it be possible to steal divinity from a god?

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Apparently there is only the Dead Three

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That’s the only mortals ascended to godhood

slow river
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@queen spire jergal gave part of his domain to them, they didn't steal anything from him

iron saffron
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Ao has final say to who becomes a god in Realmspace.

queen spire
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I just mean are there any canon ways that people have killed gods?

iron saffron
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Many mortals have become deities in Realmspace. Killing a god is VERY unlikely way to achieve that. Usually the portfolio is granted by a god, such as Jergal who retired and gave his portfolio to three mortals, or Ao grants the portfolio, such as Midnight becoming the new Mystra after the last one was killed by Helm.

slow river
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A god can 'die' in the sense they stop being a god due to losing followers, like mythrien Sarath is at risk of

iron saffron
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Mortals are flies compared to gods.

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Remember that gods are near omnipotent in their home domain and they're surrounded by countless divine/fiendish servants.

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Yes, gods can wane in power if they lose followers (a decrease in the Divine Power and in turn Divine Rank).

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In short, no a mortal can't kill a deity without the help of other gods or a powerful artifact.

queen spire
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So, how does a mortal become a god without being granted it? Because all that is required is to be worshipped right!

iron saffron
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Again, this channel doesn't deal with "how to."

slow river
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There's a different in history and speculation

iron saffron
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I already told you that, at least in Realmspace, Ao controls who becomes (or remains) a deity by casting a powerful spell (above 9th level).

jagged apex
# queen spire I just mean are there any canon ways that people have killed gods?

they were very specific to very special and by no means common situation, there is only one such magical item that potentially would still allow a mortal in the forgotten realms to kill a god, but with the way Ao restructured the way gods work, does not mean you will become a god, but said item has not appeared in published materials since 3e and far as i am aware nobody in universe save for maybe the dead 3 would even know where it is https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Jathiman_Dagger

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but for all we know the effects of the dagger were based around how divinity functioned before the time of troubles, so there is no guarentee if it was discovered it would still be capable of bypassing such potent fundamental protections

slow river
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Gods are very good at Not Being Killed By Non Gods

jagged apex
jagged apex
iron saffron
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Gods did have statblocks back in 1E Deities & Demigods, 2E Legends & Lore, and 3E Deities & Demigods. 4E only had statblocks for Lolth, Bahamut, and Tiamat I believe. 5E has no statblocks for deities but only for their aspects (aka avatars).

jagged apex
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which by their very nature does not harm the god in any meaningful way if killed, an avatar is basically just that, with a limited portion of the deity's own power

queen spire
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What does define divinity in DnD?

jagged apex
iron saffron
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Deities can be killed, but typically by other powers. They aren't permanently killed as their colossal corpses float in the Astral Plane/Sea. Many dead gods have returned decades/centuries later (see the Dead Three).

queen spire
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And how does a deity increase their status?

jagged apex
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this info is usually the same across settings, though if not is typically specified

iron saffron
queen spire
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And overgods like Ao don’t have clerics right?

jagged apex
jagged apex
iron saffron
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A niche portfolio like goddess of waterfalls isn't going to have many followers.

queen spire
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And do the Archfey have clerics and other such divine powers?

distant brook
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Is there a dnd equivalent to Marvel’s grandmaster? All I need is a multiversal gladiator arena commentator.

queen spire
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I don’t understand how Asmodeus is a god and an archdevil at the same time either

slow river
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Archfey are not gods, usually

jagged apex
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lord Ao effectively will exist so long as the forgotten realms exists, and unlike the gods do these days he is not dependent on the worship of mortal beings, much like the lady of pain in sigil, who hates being worshiped and will punish you for it the moment she found out

iron saffron
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A big portfolio doesn't mean the deity needs dedicated followers but worshippers in general. Umberlee is the evil god of the sea but she is paid homage by all sailors, who offer prayers to her so she won't sink their ships during their voyage.

jagged apex
iron saffron
slow river
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Deities of things important to the common man (protection from disease, safe travels, a good harvest) are strong as many many people worship them

queen spire
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What about a lich? I know there’s Vecna

slow river
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Being a god is like wearing a hat. You can be a woman and wear a hat and a man and wear a hat. You're both wearing hats

jagged apex
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most liches tend to literally being trying to follow vecna's footsteps, is kind of famous for one of the proven ways a powerful mortal spellcaster could become a god

jagged apex
iron saffron
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There is vampire god, Kancheisis (2E Monster Mythology).

slow river
queen spire
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Again, what about vampires? If a really powerful vampire, like Strahd, wanted to, could they become a god?

jagged apex
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cuz there are deities and there are powers, the difference largely being a matter of cosmic semantics and formality

iron saffron
jagged apex
queen spire
queen spire
jagged apex
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but as oldman said, 2e had the vampire god Kancheisis

iron saffron
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Again, the lore channel deals with what has already happened not what can be.

feral lintel
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We also dont do what ifs in this channel

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as specified by OldMan many times before

slow river
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Valkyrie what is the question you are trying to find out? Seems like you have a question you want and are beating around the bush

queen spire
iron saffron
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It's like asking a historian "What if the Romans fought the US military?"

queen spire
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I just wanted to know more about how divinity works in general

slow river
jagged apex
iron saffron
queen spire
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And how do the divine rankings work? Because demigod either means the mortal offspring of a god or a very powerful god right?

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A “demipower” in the case of the latter definition

iron saffron
jagged apex
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and if the cosmos, specifically forgotten realms, is not completly off balance, you basically are not getting the green light from big A

iron saffron
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An offspring between a deity and a mortal doesn't mean they're automatically a demigod.

queen spire
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Also uhh, why is there no good god of undeath? I’m unsure on the morality of undeath and necromancy in general

jagged apex
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yeah, read the links to the stuff we are providing you that often answer you question in detail and have cited sources typically you can hunt down for even further context

queen spire
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Is necromancy evil in FR?

iron saffron
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A demigod is a Divine Rank.

jagged apex
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necromancy is neither

feral lintel
queen spire
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I have heard conflicting reports

feral lintel
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and the usage

slow river
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There are some gods who have a mortal and a god parent. They are gods

feral lintel
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Like any other spell, necromancy is a tool

iron saffron
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The necromancy school isn't "evil."

queen spire
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Because older editions did have good liches

jagged apex
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necromancy as a whole is just a school, if you create an evil entity such as a zombie, then yeah that act is evil

slow river
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Older editions aren't this edition

feral lintel
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its also worth noting that all the ressurection spells are usually viewed as good spells, and theyre necromancy

queen spire
jagged apex
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white necromancers mainly use their necromantic magics for the healing of the living

jagged apex
iron saffron
iron saffron
feral lintel
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In eberron, there's a whole thing where they use necromancy to let people serve even after dead. its still debatable there

jagged apex
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but they have not prominently appeared or been mentioned in published materials for some time

queen spire
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In general I don’t get the alignments of certain gods

feral lintel
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What do you mean?

queen spire
jagged apex
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because of who she is as an intelligent being

iron saffron
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Because she's evil.

feral lintel
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The Queen of the Depths was known as a particularly malicious, petty, greedy, and vain deity who controlled the harshness of the sea while reveling in her own power and was not hesitant to drown people if she so pleased.

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That screams evil

queen spire
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Shouldn’t nature gods in general be neutral?

feral lintel
jagged apex
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evil can be not just malicious but also selfishness

queen spire
slow river
iron saffron
feral lintel
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The wiki literally explains it

crude rampart
jagged apex
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she is more than just a nature god

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and a god of something is not nessisarily that thing

feral lintel
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Tempest domain isnt restricted to neutral

jagged apex
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some are, but is by no means the norm

slow river
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Valkyrie id reccomend reading by yourself. You seen to just be asking anythig and getting confused by it

iron saffron
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Aspects of nature can be deemed as "good" (a peaceful grove), "neutral" (a grassy field), or "evil" (a violent storm).

feral lintel
jagged apex
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many domains in 5e are technically made up of what in the past were multiple different domains, but that risks going more into mechanics than lore

queen spire
slow river
queen spire
feral lintel
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*She

jagged apex
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the gods and the outer planes are partially shaped by the thoughts, believes, and philosophies of mortal beings

jagged apex
dim juniper
feral lintel
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Gods are what they represent incarnate or given personalities

queen spire
feral lintel
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they (gods) are personifications of what they represent

jagged apex
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many gods and the way they think are typically beyond what a mortal would think

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as are beings of extra planar origin as a whole

queen spire
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So, I know I know, this channel doesn’t do what ifs, but if gods are gods because of being worshipped

jagged apex
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is why an angel could accidently wipe a city and all the planet if deployed to the prime material plane and as long as the souls go on to their natural afterlife, the angel more or less will have done nothing wrong from their perspective if i am not mistaken

queen spire
jagged apex
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many non gods are worshiped and are not even remotely close to becoming a god

feral lintel
queen spire
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Yes but divine status is defined by worshippers

feral lintel
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Then one god simply gains more powers, while the other gets less, assuming their followers convert or something

slow river
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Valkyrie you seem to think 'divinity' is some special thing when in DND it's just not. it isn't a tangible thing

feral lintel
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Its also worth noting that mortals can and will pray or give their respects, etc to different gods

slow river
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Yeah, like praying to Silvanus and Chauntea for a good harvest

feral lintel
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Or giants reverring all of the Giant gods, regardless if theyre a storm, cloud, or fire giant

queen spire
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I don’t really get why gods don’t have statblocks in 5e

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But yeah not really a lore question

slow river
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You might not worship umberlee but if you're going on a ship you damn well better pray to her so she doesn't kill you

feral lintel
slow river
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YOU. CANNOT. KILL. GODS

feral lintel
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That defeats the purpose of being, well, a god

eager bay
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Gods haven’t had statblocks since… 1e? I think?

queen spire
feral lintel
slow river
feral lintel
slow river
queen spire
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Yeah I don’t get the differences between the Mystras

feral lintel
queen spire
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She’s the most recent Mystra?

feral lintel
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According to the Wiki, yes

slow river
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You can search things up yourself. I'm not being mean but you're asking simple questions that are easily findable.

jagged apex
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not even everything about i god even translates to combat, let alone a statblock

queen spire
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On the subject of gods, and edition differences, don’t the Goblins have a lost god?

jagged apex
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besides that is more a mechanical thing

echo steppe
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Looks like it's all over the place

jagged apex
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they have gods that are alive, and gods that are dead, as their chief deity murdered them

queen spire
slow river
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I don't believe so

queen spire
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Does the concept have some level of existence in lore? Because presumably spell levels are a representation of the spells being taught

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Or given

jagged apex
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that in the forgotten realms is more or less explained with the weave, is kind of a weird iffy area, but there is a degree of ranking in universe where some spells are just by their design and nature more powerful than otehrs

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and the limit in more recent editions is tied to the forgotten realms and the limitations set in place by mystra

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the spell level is at best comparable to the degree of power such a spell requires and how much of reality is effected, the majority of it is more mechanics than lore in their nature

iron saffron
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I suggest you slow down and digest our answers. You seem more interested in asking questions than caring about the answers (and links) we give you.

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Spell levels is a game mechanic method of measuring power of magic.

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Much like in game lore characters don't see each other in class or class levels.

unkempt merlin
queen spire
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I’m also trying to find some info on some characters who have their names in spells, like I can’t seem to find anything on what Agathys is except that it’s a layer of Carceri

iron saffron
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Named spells are usually with the creator's name first, such as Tasha's Hideous Laughter.

queen spire
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I initially assumed AoA was named after a famous warlock

iron saffron
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I recommend checking the Forgotten Realms wiki. It covers almost everything D&D related and will often cite the official published sources.

slow river
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sorry if this is silly, do spells exist in the actual world? like do people know what 'fireball' or 'revivify' is?

feral lintel
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Yes (in FR)

iron saffron
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Define "actual world."

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The average commoner would know magic exist though they may not be exposed to it.

feral lintel
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Or the specifics of a spell

slow river
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like are spells known by their name by the people in the forgotten realms, or is that just shorthand for us?

iron saffron
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A travelling magician in a small remvote farming village may do magic tricks with Prestidigitation and Mage Hand.

feral lintel
iron saffron
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The names are gameplay mechnics / flavour, much like how you may change the look of the spells for flavour.

slow river
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like, does a wizard know theyre casting Leomunds Tiny Hut, or are they just casting a spell that makes an area of safety

iron saffron
slow river
feral lintel
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You also have to remember that many languages exist within each setting

iron saffron
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Fireball may be called "sphere of flames" by one wizard or region. It's flavour.

slow river
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so spellcasters are just doing things, which have an outcome, which we have names for the spells, but in universe its them just doing magic without a universal name for the spell?

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thanks, sorry if i asked it in a weird way

iron saffron
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The spell names is the gameplay mechanic side of things. Your character can call them by whatever name in-game.

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(Besides, names of spells can change by edition to edition)

arctic lion
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Is this appropriate to discuss homebrew lore or is that #homebrew ?

forest rock
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That would be the later

iron saffron
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This channel only deals with official published lore.

pearl karma
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Half-dragon, draconian, dragon born- is there really any difference?

feral lintel
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Half dragons are direct descendants of dragons. Draconians are twisted monstrosities made from Metallic Dragon Eggs. Dragonborn are their own race

jagged apex
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to say they are all the same would be an oversimplification, inaccurate, and to the dragonborn at least, offensive

feral lintel
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Yeap. Dragonborn would hate that

jagged apex
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heck, half-dragons are not even nessisarily even humanoid in shape

feral lintel
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Oh yeah, half dragons can be humanoids, monstrosities, beasts, giants... am i mising something?

jagged apex
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a half dragon is just that, any non draconic creature that is also half dragon, literally the only thing that technically can't become a half-dragon in regards to mortal creatures, is dragons

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and even if you ignore them being from completely different settings, draconians and dragonborn are conceptually opposites

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draconians are born from the eggs of true dragons, warped and twisted into a more humanoid shape by powerful foul magics, and on death explode in elemental energy, and cause of their goddess and way of creation are predisposed toward evil natures which while some may rebel, most do not far as i am aware

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where as the dragonborn, what ever their origin, are either a race of humanoids transformed into a race of draconic humanoids with a very weak link to dragon kind, or simply intelligent draconic humanoids, they do not explode when they die and are not inclined towards evil any more than say humans, elves, dwarves, ect...

queen spire
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I do remember half dragon hobgoblins

jagged apex
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also dragonborn as an actual race of people, of course unlike have dragons, have their own culture

jagged apex
queen spire
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Goblins are weird

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Weren’t there blue psionic goblins?

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I vaguely remember that

feral lintel
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There are psionic goblins

queen spire
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I researched psionic goblins

jagged apex
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where and are

queen spire
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Because I was genuinely interested in the idea

feral lintel
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Blue... i think the ones in Eberron are purple

jagged apex
queen spire
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Since it’s purple

feral lintel
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Yeah, but those ones are the ones that abberations got a hold of

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and warped

jagged apex
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they have not been used in official published material for some time

jagged apex
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and can't seem to find any such ones either

feral lintel
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The warped ones

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daeykr or something

jagged apex
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i think you mean the Dolgrim, which are made by the daelkyr

feral lintel
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Yeah, them

jagged apex
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and they ain't really psionic, unless you count them simply having a dual consciousness

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nor are they purple

feral lintel
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Not purple? Interesting

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Must be mandela effect

jagged apex
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you might have been confusing them with the hobgoblin then warped Dolgaunt

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that or your memory kind of mashed them together

feral lintel
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Oh i think its because of the big art that had them in purple lighting

jagged apex
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and they are also not psionic, though they can drain their victim's vitality via their tentacles

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could be you were also misremembering bits of illithid as they are purple and are tied to the daelkyr in the eberron setting

feral lintel
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Perhaps.

jagged apex
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yeah, in eberron the daelkyr tend to make up the majority if not all of the aberration and other worldly horror like creatures in the eberron setting, stuff that in other settings might be associated with the far realm

unkempt merlin
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not all aberrations are daelkyr

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there is a very small amount of daelkyr

jagged apex
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i stand corrected then

hasty sun
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What types of elves tend to worship the Celestial Gardener?

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Like wood elves, high elves? It says good-aligned elves generally.

eternal zodiac
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Holy crap. Just learned about the Neogi and the various spelljammer ships from this book.

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I’m currently reading Spelljammer: Memory’s Wake

jagged apex
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pretty much most goods elves are fair game

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mainly those who quote "spent their time tending to communal gardens and orchards n elven settlements"

hasty sun
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Alright I was just wondering whether Wood Elves were more likely or some other elven variety

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Making a character who I wanted simple enough to start out with as a worshipper of the Celestial Gardener (I will never remember his name) but Wood Elves both sound like they would be more in-line to worship him and are also explicitly distrustful of non-elves in the PHB

jagged apex
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eh, the first part of the name is easier to remember than the whole thing

jagged apex
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but in published lore the fact is Elebrin is not associated with any specific one kind of elf, elven society revolving around their faiths, at least to my knowledge, tends to lead to it not being uncommon for multiple gods or even the full roster of the Seldarine to be worshiped in their settlements

hasty sun
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My initial idea was that, since the cleric is going to a festival as the plot hook, she would be doing missionary work, but a subrace more prone to xenophobia doesn't sound particularly willing to interact with other races.

jagged apex
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this sounds potentially a bit more #character-discussion territory, the start and end of the lore side of things is the worshipers that make up elebrin's faith in published materials, the rest is more so character-discussion i feel

hasty sun
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Yeah I understand, I might move there if I got nothing else lore-related to ask

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Though I found a potential way to subvert that wood elves don't like other people problem

jagged apex
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actually seems wood elves are not xenophobic, quite the opposite

hasty sun
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Okay checking the PHB, it says Faerun Wood Elves are the recluses

jagged apex
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they are how ever rather reclusive with there settlements which is even noted as being ironic

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recluse =/= xenophobia

hasty sun
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In fact it mentions colloquial terms for them in other... world? regions? I don't know. And it explictly says Faerun wood elves are reclusive and distrusting of non-elves

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Or rather, it only says that Faerun wood elves are distrusting

jagged apex
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reclusive implies solitary and retirement, basically valuing their privacy and isolation, does not mean they are xenophobic

hasty sun
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Well it follows with "distrusting of non-elves"

jagged apex
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i think, like i was until just now when i actually checked, were being misinformed or operating on a misconception

jagged apex
hasty sun
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But I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and say a lot more's come out about the races than the PHB ever thought of

jagged apex
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their nature is explisitly described as being open

hasty sun
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Considering the wiki pages are massive, and the blurbs of info in my PHB can fit between my thumb and pointer finger

jagged apex
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sometimes newer materials leave some things out such as certain details

hasty sun
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What other elven subraces are there? I only have the PHB I tend to reference

jagged apex
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looking at the 5e phb, at least the current version, seems they indeed are stated as being distrustful of non-elves, but even then that is 1 not the same as being xenophobic, and two is more so the norms of their kind, any given individual can deviate from their people's norms, elves, wood elves included, are no exception

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so could be they did not look to the past editions or changed it for the 5e continuity, make of it what you will

feral lintel
hasty sun
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I was just gonna say what was a drowning elf

jagged apex
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either way for a singular elf, your character as an individual are not bound by their own norms

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a drowning elf is just an elf that is dying from being drowned, is not a race, sub or otherwise

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drow is derived from the elven word for "traitor"

feral lintel
hasty sun
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I should probably just accept compromise at this point, the physical attributes and personalities might actually make the character more striking to not look or act like other members of her subrace

jagged apex
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either way, fact is their people even if distrusting of other races, are NOT xenophobic

hasty sun
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I'm sorry I thought the words were synonymous enough

jagged apex
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would be a bit more accurate to say they would be cautious when interacting with other species

feral lintel
jagged apex
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honestly, xenophobic often leans more to it's prejudice part of the definition rather than mere dislike, especially when countries rarely are something that is mentioned or made use of like in dnd and other fantasy things where there are more than just humans making up the dominant intelligent life forms

jagged apex
# feral lintel No, xenophobic is waaay worse

xenophobic would be more accurate when describing a pure blooded orc's view of other races, especially elves in settings like the forgotten realms and others where their respective pantheons or at least creator gods exist

hasty sun
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The only other thing I can notice is that Wood Elves don't care for magic much except for druidic magic, and only because it's what most interacts with nature

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Though I guess clerics and druids can work together if they're both working for a god focused on nature

jagged apex
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like a pure blooded orc that worships gruumsh will murder you just for being an elf, sometimes even making a necklace out of your ears or as sacrifice for relgious things

jagged apex
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like rarely if ever would say clerics of Talos and your typical druids would get along

hasty sun
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Praisin' the holy chainsaw

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S-mart top of the line. Shop Smart. S-mart.

tardy wasp
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Are there any moon or star gods that have been worshiped by Druids in the lore of past editions?

Like, Moon Druid of Selune makes sense to me, and so does Stars Druid of Celestian, but is there any precedence?

devout kayak
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I can’t find much information online who is on the cover sigil and the outlands?

unkempt merlin
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Lady of Pain

unkempt merlin
heavy flame
feral lintel
queen spire
soft palm
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google doesn't seem to quite answer my question in the way I want it to; instead offering "most popular" languages used by players

If I were a regular old NPC human who has spent no time adventuring and rather just been a simple dress-maker and merchant in towns and cities, what would be the most likely languages they would know?

  1. Common
  2. ???
  3. ???

I want to base this on races this character would most likely encounter in her day-to-day life based on her living and occupation and would most likely learn those languages to help selling her wares and communicating with the general community. I haven't set this in stone, but given that the campaign will be Shattered Obelisk, this character is likely from somewhere like Neverwinter if that is important

sharp owl
soft palm
cinder cloud
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However, in 5e most human dialects have been relegated in favor of "common" as a sort of universal language, with the other races having the dialects of their respective species.

unkempt merlin
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SCAG contains a number of the regional languages in 5e lore for the setting (as well as some rules changes for if they are being utilized, but that's not lore)

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Arkaiun: Dambrathan (written in Espruar)
Bedine: Midani
Calishite: Alzhedo
Chondathan: Chondathan
Damaran: Damaran (written in Dethek)
Ffolk: Waelan
Gur: Guran (a patois of Roushoum and Rashemi)
Halruaan: Halruaan (written in Draconic)
Illuskan: Illuskan
Imaskari: Roushoum
Mulan: Chessentan, Mulhorandi, Untheric, or Thayan
Nar: Damaran
Rashemi: Rashemi
Shaaran: Shaaran (written in Dethek)
Shou: Shou
Tethyrian: Chondathan
Tuigan: Tuigan
Turami: Turmic
Ulutiun: Uluik

cinder cloud
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More important is the note below, which reads: "If your Dungeon Master allows this option, then any human from an ethnic group that has its own language is assumed to know that language as well as Common. This ethnic language is treated as a free additional language for such individuals."

iron saffron
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I do that for my campaign — granting the one human PC an additional language based on her human ethnicity.

soft palm
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thanks everyone

frozen comet
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Ngl I just saw this area for lore and I was mind blown because THERE IS LORE??? Alright!! (I love lore about anything.)

feral lintel
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Yes, there's over 50 years of lore

frozen comet
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HUH

feral lintel
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DnD has been around for 50 years

frozen comet
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Even. Better.

unkempt merlin
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Many different settings within, with different lore for em

iron saffron
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There are several official campaign settings, each one with their own set of lore.

jagged apex
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and in some cases, entire editions, cuz sometimes the lore will build on what game before it or will retcon it, or just be completely different, this tends to be most noteable in the case of 4e, least far as i am aware, though that might be because a fresh an intentionally incomplete setting was the main setting for that edition, at least from what i have been told

iron saffron
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4E had a new "default" setting called Points of Light, which had very little detail to its world so it allowed the individual DM to fill in the gaping gaps or include it into their own campaign setting.

4E FR lore changed a lot of things, with the designers wanting to reduce a number of gods (a lot of gods either were killed or merged with greater gods (or were exarchs/avatars), however, 5E retconned most of these changes.

jagged apex
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as i understand it basically everything fans didn't like about 4e was undone and those that were, like the raven queen were rolled over yet given a 5e itteration of their lore

iron saffron
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Yeah, that plus the Feywild and Shadowfell.

jagged apex
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i know there was more, is just my go to example is the raven queen, like the instant my brain tries to think of something that was liked about 4e lore it always goes to the raven queen

tardy wasp
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In the Forgotten Realms, do Upper Plane deities create angels from their own essence, from the souls and spirits of their followers, or both?

I’ve seen each represented online, and I’m wondering which is more accurate for current 5e lore.

iron saffron
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Celestials can be promoted to higher ranked forms, such as a hound archon being promoted to a warden archon.

jagged apex
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is some what similar to how devils can be promoted, but obviously not nearly as evil or backstaby, though that might be somewhat of an oversimplification, seems like a fitting analogy

light cradle
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How long is a bonus action. Like real time what is the time between bonus actions? Also you can’t use a action to do a bonus action thing right?

jagged apex
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that's more a mechanics question i think, in which case you'd want #dnd-rules i believe

light cradle
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Oh sorry I ment to put it there I miss clicked

light cradle
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Is gold more or less rare than on earth in toril

jagged apex
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not sure, but i'd imagine more since last i checked toril is technically larger than earth, and how compact ecosystems tend to be, but i could be wrong

crude dome
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Debatable as you need to wonder if more than 486,877,600 pounds of gold have ever been collectively harvested from the dawn of civilization. Given things... Gold on Toril is probably a lot more common still.

winter compass
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hi guys, im planning to play dnd with my friends, how do u make lore...

feral lintel
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This channel is for official printed lore

winter compass
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oh okay

steady verge
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Can you guys tell me about lycanthropy, how it works, the different types of creatures, etc?

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Writing a campaign involving it

iron saffron
crude dome
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I would seriously avoid using Lycanthropy as per the monster manual for Player Characters. It completely unbalances the game. Though that is the place to start. You have Wereboar, rats, bats, wolves, bears... take your pick.

sharp owl
crude dome
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sorry

woven ermine
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so in one of my games im considering having the party come in contact with a (majorly) in-tact ruin of the Netherese, Uhm I do wish to ask What happened to their people? I already know of Karsus and what he did but what happened to everyone else? did they die when the Flying cities hit the ground? what???

jagged apex
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some did survive, but those that were in the cities that fell, pretty sure far as we know they died for obvious reasons

woven ermine
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ooh mk

jagged apex
woven ermine
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thanks for that link, I'll begin reading into it in a bit

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links*

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those links*

jagged apex
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if any of the videos i'd suggest watching the one by ed greenwood first, after all he created the forgotten realms setting and the video is only a year old so would be most up to date of those three on the topic

dense pendant
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Human forms of Shadar-kai are also spread around different parts of realm. There are also lots of remnants of Netherese structures around Faerun.

woven ermine
jagged apex
jagged apex
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the short version is karsus picked the one god he should not have and cuz of it, born of his hubris, the very empire he tried to hard to protect came crashing down, rather literally, some of those that died even splattering against his bloated petrified body

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kind of also summed up in this quote from the wiki that is cited as being from "The Winds of Netheril"
"In the last moments of life, his stony eyes, still shimmering with the last glint of godly omniscience, caught a glimpse of the cities of Netheril smashing to the ground, killing all. His heart broke—greed for the power of the deities themselves had caused the destruction of his home, his family, his friends, and his people."

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most if not all that did survive from the netherese empire, were basically not there when the folly happened, such was the case with the city of thultanthar

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though pretty sure anyone that were on those cities when they fell, even if the city was intact, if they hit the ground or at least in the case of Nhalloth, the water, died

slow river
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Is it known how much Dragonborns in the Forgotten Realms care about gender?

cinder cloud
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Dragonborn are relatively new and thus have very little lore written about them. This is especially true since they aren't even from Toril, and were only brought over from Abeir during 4th edition. Most of what is known about them would be covered on the wiki: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Dragonborn

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The only reference I could find was this:

Overall, compared with clan ties, family was secondary and private to dragonborn, as reflected by the fact that most dragonborn family names were kept secrets shared with only the closest friends and other family members. The usual family unit was quite small, often composed of only two individuals: a mated pair or a parent and its child. Dragonborn marriages were arranged by the clan leaders along old pact lines. Dragonborn lacked the association of love with marriage that many races had, instead wedding purely for reproductive reasons. Once a dragonborn child reached 3 years old the wedding was typically dissolved, with the parent who was the same sex as the child rearing it for the remainder of its childhood.

iron saffron
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Yeah, since dragonborn were introduced in 4E they were retconned into FR lore.

jagged apex
serene ravine
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So, it is known Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul chose to remain behind on Prime and becoming mortal deities. They took a great gamble, since they can be slain as they are. All other Gods decided not to stay behind and take the risk, and instead left Prime acting instead via proxies and chosen.

My question is, why did the 3 stay behind, and what justifies the risk?

What have they achieved?

If they're mortal deities, quasi-deity or whatever, and there are no others of their ilk, why not just streamroll nations?

iron saffron
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They're quasi-powers, not full demi-gods, so their powers are very weak. They're more interested in getting their divine powers (aka divine rank) back. Besides if they try to "steamroll" nations the other gods, who are more powerful, can use their followers to put a stop to them.

serene ravine
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Didn't the act of staying behind strip them of their divine rank?

feral lintel
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im also fairly sure that if they interfered to much in the Material Plane, Ao would have a word with them

jagged apex
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basically, they were greedy and wanting power, the dead 3 are known for despite long since becoming gods, still thinking very much like mortals with how they use what divine power they do have

serene ravine
jagged apex
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they thought their ability to directly interfere with mortal afairs could offset the loss of divine power

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yes

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quasi-deities still have special protections

serene ravine
serene ravine
iron saffron
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They died and were lucky to be resurrected. Not really a choice...

jagged apex
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yeah, again, they tend to use their power a bit more like mortals, than as gods, often not making full use of their powers cuz of the manner they choose to use them

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plus to be killed for good they still have to be slain in their divine realm, which they can close off to mere mortals if they wish

serene ravine
jagged apex
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they are not trapped

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and even if they were, nowhere far as i know is it ever said or implied they don't have divine realms

iron saffron
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Demi-gods are divine rank 0. Hercules is a demi-god, for example.
Quasi-powers are slightly below that — in the 3.5E Deities & Demigods, valkyries and Norse giants are quasi-powers.

feral lintel
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Diancastra is a Demigod

serene ravine
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So, what would it take for them to restore their divine rank, such as becoming demi-god, which I believe would be the next rank given their circumstances?

Would they need worshippers, zeal, or they need to stop meddling with prime and then go with normal progression?

iron saffron
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Not all offspring of a god and a mortal are demi-gods though.

iron saffron
serene ravine
iron saffron
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3E Deities & Demigods divine ranks:
Rank 0: Quasi-deity/hero deity
Rank 1-5: Demi-god
Rank 6-10: Lesser god
Rank 11-15: Intermediate god
Rank 16-20: Greater god
Rank 21+: Overgod

serene ravine
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Apart from that once in Times of Trouble.

iron saffron
jagged apex
feral lintel
jagged apex
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as per his role as an over deity, he is basically the divine supervisor of the setting he has sway and thus exists in

serene ravine
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If he could manage it as a mortal, he can certainly manage it as Greater Deity no?

jagged apex
jagged apex
serene ravine
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From my understanding, Gods join Pantheons to avoid exactly that sort of situation, but Bhaal ain't got any greater deity above him to protect his ass.

jagged apex
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the gods themselves have rules, plus Cyric last i checked may still be imprisoned from when he murdered mystra

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which caused the spellplague

serene ravine
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Where can I read on God rules?

feral lintel
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Also, if the gods kept doing what youre thinking, Ao would probably have their arse

serene ravine
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Why? In Ao's very laws, it is permitted. I just read the wiki posted.

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A God can slay another and take his portfolio, and the loser fades from the Realm.

jagged apex
iron saffron
jagged apex
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again, Cryic is kind of tied up last we heard of him if i am not mistaken

serene ravine
jagged apex
serene ravine
iron saffron
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Because it's basically a cold war between the gods (and their followers)...

jagged apex
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some settings might be an exception, but none that i am aware of in official published materials

iron saffron
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Remember that there are many other pantheons other than the Faerunian one. Gods don't like someone disrupting the status quo. Having lots of dead followers may weaken them.

jagged apex
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and especially after the time of troubles, most gods are smart enough to wanna risk giving lord Ao a reason to wanna have talk with them, as it likely will not end well for them

serene ravine
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So, in a way, it's basically Vampire the Masquerade Jihad?

iron saffron
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No idea.

serene ravine
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But with Gods instead of Vampires?

jagged apex
serene ravine
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Mhmm, I get the jist. Direct confrontation is too messy, so things are done subtly through influence, politics, manuevering, etc.

iron saffron
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Other continents have their own pantheons as well (or share the same gods but under different names).

jagged apex
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even other nations, like unther i believe was technically in faerun, which is the same continent

serene ravine
iron saffron
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The Forgotten Realms cover mostly the Faerunian pantheon.

serene ravine
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Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul I mean.

iron saffron
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Because they were mortals who lucked out on becoming deities.

serene ravine
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Aren't a good number of Deities former Mortals?

iron saffron
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Yes but they're not jerks about it.

jagged apex
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and unlike other such deities, like kelemvor, have not given up their mortal attatchments and what not to do their jobs better

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the dead 3 are basically the ones from toril that still think about how to use their powers more often than not how a mortal would rather than a god

serene ravine
iron saffron
jagged apex
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and while gods in dnd are as fallible as mortals, the way they think is noticably different

serene ravine
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How so? How do they think different?

iron saffron
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They're deities so their mindset is vastly different than that of mortals, who have a limited lifespan.

feral lintel
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Way different than a mortal at the very least

jagged apex
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just on a basic level of how they view certain concepts, plus the fact that deities in dnd are not confined by linear time

iron saffron
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It's like comparing a human to an ant.

jagged apex
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a true deity can exist in both the past, present, and future, all be it from a specific point in time

iron saffron
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And multiple echoes.

serene ravine
iron saffron
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This is why it's VERY hard to truly kill a deity.

jagged apex
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like Io, the dragon creator god, though dead now, he could have set up things in the future when he was still alive that have yet to come to pass

iron saffron
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They get killed by other gods, not mortals.

serene ravine
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If you got omnisicience then how do the Gods fight?

iron saffron
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They're not omniscience though.

jagged apex
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that and for gods, death is technically more like a divine comma, rather than death as we mortals view it

feral lintel
jagged apex
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no god in dnd is all knowing

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else vecna would not have a job as the god of dark/evil secrets

serene ravine
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Aha, you said they can exist in present, past and future. I thought you implied they know everything.

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They can see what's coming.

feral lintel
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Exist at multiple times does not mean they know everything

jagged apex
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no, those are two entirely different things

iron saffron
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Again, if you want to know more about D&D gods then check out the 1E Deities & Demigods, 2E Legends & Lore, 3E Deities & Demigods, and/or 3E Faiths & Pantheons.

jagged apex
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you can exist from the begining of time, but if you never left the cave you were in, you would not know anything outside of that cave

feral lintel
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Ok, I have to ask, what ifls the point to all these questions? What is the underlying question

iron saffron
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Time flows different in each plane of existence. The Outer Planes, where the gods reside, aren't directly locked to the Material Plane and its timeflow.

jagged apex
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basically gods in dnd are not the same conceptually, at least as a whole, to what we in the realm world tend to think of a god, especially in certain faiths, granted there are similarities, but they have more differences than simularities if you ask me

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the fact they are fallible, ie they can make mistakes, is the most clear and obvious one

serene ravine
jagged apex
serene ravine
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You are not obligated to answer a question if you do not want it. No need to ask "why" am I asking.

jagged apex
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their collective wiki page will at least help you make sure you know the important/broad strokes of their histories as a trio

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for further, would just go from there to each of the dead 3 as individuals, as they don't always work together, sometimes they just do their own things, but are known for working together cuz of their infamous alliance

serene ravine
feral lintel
jagged apex
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most of their plans tend to fall through cuz of their own habits, personalities, or just poor planning

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Bane if i am not mistaken is largely viewed as the most successful of the 3

serene ravine
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His faith is accepted by a very powerful nation as de-facto state faith, so I'd say he's succesful.

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The other two however barely have any cults from what I gathered.

jagged apex
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honestly seems Bhaal is the one who more often than not is taking the L

serene ravine
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Bhaal needs 1000 descendedants to resurrect, meanwhile Bane just makes one and it's good enough.

jagged apex
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given bhaal's cult involves a lot of murder, sometimes even among it's members, not all followings tend to be equal in size or scale

serene ravine
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Then again, I cannot be too harsh on Bhaal because his portfolio is literally murder. It is not exactly something that creates a fertile environment for stability, growth, and mass appeal.

jagged apex
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bane basically got lucky despite putting his eggs in one basket, where as bhaal was a bit more causious and spread his out

jagged apex
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at least that is my understanding

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honestly when you think about it, bhaal and myrkul despite historically being allies, in their roles as gods ride the line between being complete opposites

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since myrkul these days is when it comes to death, unless i am mistaken, specifically a god of "decay, old age, and exhaustion"

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myrkul can sort of be thought a bit more like the grim reaper rather than death itself, at least from my understanding

edgy folio
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Lore wise (and ik it doesn't matter but I want to stay as accurate as possible because it's where I draw a lot of inspo from) but can a devil control a Doppleganger?

iron saffron
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Which type of devil? You will have to look at their statblocks to see what powers they have.

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Also, why would you think that devils have an innate power/magic to control a doppelganger?

jagged apex
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cuz historically dopplegangers are immune to mental based altering or controlling effects

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so if they did, they would have to likely bribe or threaten said doppleganger, or have a previously established deal between the two of them

edgy folio
iron saffron
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Again, look at the monsters' statblock. Devils tend not to have mind control powers. This doesn't really have a lore connection.

crude blaze
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Devils and doppelgangers are also typically completely unrelated monsters

jagged apex
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but can learn such spells in time, but would be pointless, since normally mind altering effects, including mind control would not work on a doppleganger

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only possible exception i can think of possibly existing is the psionic abilities of the illithid

iron saffron
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Also, work with your DM on your character's backstory (which would also be better in #character-discussion )

edgy folio
iron saffron
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Then you can handwave whatever you want in your campaign setting.

serene ravine
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Game-wise, the subject of resurrection is pretty clear-cut; both with the restrictions and conditions. Would you say resurrection is far rarer in-lore than it is in game?

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I am not talking about the DM making homebrew for resurrection to be easy; I mean by the raw itself, resurrection ain't that big of a deal to seasoned adventurers, so I am thinking what sort of impact it has. I mean, I can imagine nobility have a lot of wealth. Is death something like a trifle to the wealthy and powerful?

iron saffron
serene ravine
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The purpose of this question is worldbuilding of the D&D campaign. To delve into the world at large deeper than just the surface. I am interested in the lore, not the mechanics.

iron saffron
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Raise Dead/Resurrectoin magic is suppose to be rare. 5E added diamonds to the material components as a gameplay mechanic to limit the spells being "spammed' whereas past editions didn't have such a mechanic.

serene ravine
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There's any examples of the lore where rulling class would keep clerics of ability on retainer to take advantage of it? Every religion requires money, and obviously whoever cooperates would enjoy donations.

iron saffron
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Which setting?

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The question is very vague.

serene ravine
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Sorry, I thought that was the default setting and everyone assumed it was unless specified otherwise.

iron saffron
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The clergy in Faerun tends to be independent of the state.

unkempt merlin
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Lots of healing services and the like fall under its jurisdiction, including resurrection (which is expensive and difficult)

serene ravine
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Different world I see, but good inspiration, thanks.

unkempt merlin
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Sorry, missed your message about specifying setting

jagged apex
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though most people, at least if you got into dnd via 5e like i did, tend to default to the forgotten realms setting

iron saffron
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Well, this is the lore channel so we deal with ALL official campaign settings thus we make no assumptions which campaign setting is being referred to.

jagged apex
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true, but i am saying that could be why they got the impression the forgotten realms was quote "the default"

modest badger
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The community certainly defaults to FR, but it can help to specify regardless.
Technically FR has never been the official default setting (1e to 3e was Greyhawk, 4e was Nentir Vale, 5e is 'Multiverse') but in practice FR has been the unspoken default from 3.5

jagged apex
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well in 5e, technically we started in forgotten realms and only in the recent years went multiversal, but eh, semantics

modest badger
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Even from the start, while 5e seemed to favour FR, it was stated to be Multiverse.

jagged apex
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fair

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and to be fair, can't blame them, the forgotten realms tends to be such an interesting setting

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and given ed greenwood works on his version that the published versions more or less adapt, daily, always gunna be some new stuff to explore if need be

dense pendant
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After the multiverse it all started actually in Greyhawk, but meh semantics.

serene ravine
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I do not know much about other worlds/settings. Which would be the most grimdark one?

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Gritty, dark, mature, etc.

cinder cloud
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Athas (Dark Sun)

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Or Grimhollow, which is third party

dense pendant
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Greyhawk has less fantasy and more medieval realism. Or Ravenloft (Curse of Strahd)

cinder cloud
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Ravenloft, too

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I wouldn't classify Greyhawk as gritty, dark or mature... it's pretty standard sword and sorcery

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I can't beleive I didn't think of Ravenloft rofl

unkempt merlin
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Dark Sun for sure

jagged apex
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dark sun is literally post apocalyptic, hard to get much grimdarker than that

reef cape
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I would not qualify Dark Sun as grimdark. It has a bit too many hopeful parts. I don't think any D&D setting I'm familiar with is grimdark.

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Maybe Ravenloft, depending on the edition.

iron saffron
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The 1990s was full of grimdark. I would classify Ravenloft and Dark Sun as "grimdark" (as far as D&D is concerned).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimdark

Grimdark is a subgenre of speculative fiction with a tone, style, or setting that is particularly dystopian, amoral, and violent. The term is inspired by the tagline of the tabletop strategy game Warhammer 40,000: "In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war.

flint lintel
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Setting wise for grimdark?
Blackmoor is kind of grimdark. If you wave off some of the sci fi bits.
Ravenloft is more Gothic horror but can easily be turned grim dark.
Grim Hollow which is 3rd party is easily Grim Dark even taking elements that seem similar to warhammer.

Then last imo...
Doomed Forgotten Realms.
This setting has where the bad guys won almost every big adventure.

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But sadly Doomed Forgotten Realms is hardly ever brought up

iron saffron
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Anyway, this is moving out of #dnd-lore territory...

jagged apex
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to be fair, the domains of dread kind of are grimdark and then some since they are all personalized hellscapes

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but far as i know if you are looking for grimdark in the same way as warhammer 40k, i am not aware of such a setting in published materials, especially if you are saying that ravenloft and dark sun don't fit the bill

light cradle
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Are warforged cannon to toril

iron saffron
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No, they're native to Eberron.

light cradle
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What do we know about the plane/planet the orcs came from in forgotten realms?

sharp owl
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We don't know much/anything

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This is the only reference on the FR wiki regarding their origins

light cradle
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Thanks!

serene ravine
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Dark Sun seems very interesting.

chrome birch
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Does anyone know any folklore traditions in the forgotten realms I could use to flesh the world out a bit?

merry atlas
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Is there any 5e books that mentions Eilistraee?

balmy garden
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what happens when you are not aligned to a plane's alignment

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like are you ejected?

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For example being evil in Beastlands (CG/NG)

sharp owl
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It depends on the plane

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Some planes will be outright hostile to you (native flora and fauna attacking you) while other planes will influence and nudge your alignment to better match that of the plane

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And many planes will just not do anything/have any effect

iron saffron
merry atlas
iron saffron
# merry atlas Thanks

Just use the search bar in D&D Beyond and it'll list all the entries in the published 5E books.

woeful dome
sharp owl
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I think it's more there'd be a portal and the other side of that would be sitting atop the span of a massive branch

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Maybe some foliage and the like would be pushing through the portal

iron saffron
woeful dome
woeful dome
iron saffron
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Ydrassil is mentioned in the 1E Manual of the Planes and 2E Planescape campaign setting. Sorry I'm at work so I can't go into detail.

woeful dome
jagged apex
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the worldroot circle by the way is basically a giant organization, kind of like a druid circle, centered around the world tree, it's myth, ect...

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and they are not on all words, at least in 5e, necessarily tree like, such geographical features being called the "root of the world", unless i am misinterpreting the text i am reading in bigby's

woeful dome
crude blaze
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But, much like the Draconic First World cosmology, it seems to be presented as an in-world myth. Whether it’s true or not, hard to tell.

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Annam isn’t around much these days to confirm or deny the truth of the Worldtree Saplings and whether all worlds have them or not, so people (typically giants) either believe it or they don’t.

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Oh I see what you mean about them not necessarily being a literal tree, and being more metaphorical in their description of a “seedling”.

iron saffron
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Again, Ydrassil is only in a handful of books, mostly in 1E Manual of the Planes, 2E Spelljammer, and 3E Expedition to the Demonweb Pits. As far as I know it hasn't been referenced in 4E or 5E, so @woeful dome you'll need to look up those books to answer your original question.

crude blaze
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The cosmology section of the DMG mentions other versions of cosmology and planar travel that have been touched upon in greater detail in the past decade. Like the Infinite Staircase.

iron saffron
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Referenced but not in much detail.

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That's why I suggested to look at the older books.

crude blaze
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Sure, but you mentioned it wasn’t referenced. Sorry for the mixup

iron saffron
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As I had mentioned earlier, 3E Expedition to the Demonweb Pits has a section of the adventure that takes place on Ydrassil but doesn't mention the portals on the other side of the branches.

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My bad then, thanks for correcting me.

crude blaze
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Sorry, in retrospect it’s probably just semantics lol

iron saffron
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Eh it's all good.

crude blaze
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I do love the interaction between the giants’ Worldroot Mythos and the dragons’ First World Mythos

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Idk how they interacted in prior editions, if at all, but I dig it

woeful dome
jagged apex
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and at least from my understanding a good bulk of the power the norse gods in dnd have at least granted by the plane of ysgard, comes from yggdrasil, though this is second hand knowledge i have been told so it might not be entirely accurate so take that with a grain of salt

jagged apex
grand wyvern
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Hey, question. Why are moon druids associated with the moon? I'm trying to flesh out a moon druid circle for a player and I'm not sure what special significants they put on the moon other than the one line "Changeable as the moon" from the DnDbeyond description. Is that really it or am I missing something?

iron saffron
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https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Druid_circle#Circle_of_the_Moon

Favored by those who preferred a more solitary path, the Circle of the Moon was an ancient association of druids devoted to the mastery of the Wild Shape. Gathering only occasionally under the cloak of darkness to discuss news or pass on warnings, Druids of the Moon often went weeks without seeing another druid or even simply another humanoid. Enjoying the flexibility their Wild Shape ability offered them, druids from the Circle of the Moon were prone to employing a wide variety of shapes, as the situation required, or the druid's own whims decided; the same druid might go one day as a great cat and the following as an eagle.

The effort Druids of the Moon put into mastering their Wild Shape ability had many benefits. Even neophyte members of the Circle could shapeshift more quickly than other druids, and with additional training they could employ far more powerful beast forms than those available to other Circles. With experience, more advanced aspects of Wild Shape became available, such as the ability to overcome magical resistance or to transform into an elemental. The most experienced Druids of the Moon could control their shapeshifting ability to such a subtle degree so as to emulate the effects of the alter self spell at will.

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https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Circle_of_the_Moon

The Circle of the Moon comprised druids that were seen as among the fearsome protectors of the wild. They dwelled within the most perilous stretches of wilderness, perfectly comfortable surrounding themselves with only animals and beasts for tendays at a time.

These druids tended to be highly mutable individuals, who preferred to experience nature in multiple ways. Some days they navigated the forest floor as a fearsome beast, on others they soared across the night's sky as a bird of prey.

sterile breach
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Selûne has shapechangers in her portfolio, and the moon bears her name. I could see that being the chain of logic, in addition to what OldMan shared above.

grand wyvern
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Ok that does make more sense. Enough that I can work with it anyway. Now I just gotta figure out how a circle of the moon would train newbies. Thanks all!

jagged apex
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plus lycanthropes in general tend to be associated with the moon, forcing them to change, so there is a lot of history between shapeshifters and moons even if mostly lycanthropic

crude blaze
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I think historically a lot of real world mythology and folklore that associates the moon with “revealing the hidden/enshrouded/covered by the darkness of night”. Which comes back to lycanthropes being forced to change in the light of the full moon.

unkempt merlin
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(Yea a lot of mythology associates the moon with "change" in varying capacities for a variety of different reasons. It's why so much of the lore around shape changers and the like in dnd is associated with the moon)

jagged apex
steady verge
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Is anyone here familiar with The Carnival, the Ravenloft Domain?

iron saffron
steady verge
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The Darklord

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If a vampire were to steal the blade somehow, what would happen?

unkempt merlin
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The Carnival also makes an appearance in 5e (alongside Nepenthe). Detailed in VtGtR and briefly mentioned in Witchlight

As for the other part of your query, why a vampire specifically?

feral lintel
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I'm guessing for their own campaign

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But this channel doesn't do what ifs

woeful dome
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What enemies might a party find in Eltgard, near the tradeway?

feral lintel
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Not really a lore question

iron saffron
woeful dome
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K sorry

agile charm
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I just started DMing a Spelljammer campaign and I made a fictional informational pamphlet about the solar system for the party to find at their first space port: Dragon Rock in the Tears of Selûne.

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Any way I could improve this?

iron saffron
feral lintel
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Can cambions be of any humanoid race?

iron saffron
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In past editions there were more specific half-fiends based on the mortal parent's race.

feral lintel
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Ic ic. I don't remember them saying otherwise, so im just gonna assume other humanoid cambions are a thing

jagged apex
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the line saying they generally are of any humanoid creature that was half-fiend is cited as being from 3e

crude blaze
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Interesting. I'm rereading Glory of the Giants and I just realized Memnor's holy symbol is a black obelisk. I wonder if the intent is for there to be some sort of connection with some other significant black obelisks we've seen dndThink

light cradle
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Do souls have different values to devils? Do they contain different amount of energy or whatever? What makes a soul more or less valuable

reef cape
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Let me find where I put that book...

reef cape
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Can't find where I put it.

light cradle
jagged apex
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is why the yugoloths stand out so much for wanting actual material wealth, you know gold, gems, ect...

jagged apex
light cradle
jagged apex
# light cradle Like freshly dead or freshly created

freshly deceased, given the example AJ Pickett proveds of some night hags that risk a lot basically smuggling people's souls after strangling them back to hades, one of those high risk high reward things, but other night hags think it too risky and thus make use of the souls that arrive in hades naturally

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honestly the video should answer most if not all the questions you may have regarding the soul trade in dnd lore, so should prove useful and worth a watch

light cradle
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Can you send a link

jagged apex
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i already did earlier

jagged apex
light cradle
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Oh duh

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Thanks

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So do dragons just walk around naked all the time?

iron saffron
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In their dragon forms.

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Probably not in their humanoid forms.

light cradle
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Is there a reason they don’t where clothes like “we are so beautiful that wearing if any clothes would be a blasphemy”

iron saffron
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Because they're Large+ sized creatures?

light cradle
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Well they could make their own clothes with magic probably

iron saffron
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This isn't really lore related...

light cradle
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Well knowing why dragons don’t where clothes was the first question. Is there a reason other than practically of getting clothes

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In the lore

jagged apex
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plus any such cloth would be more trouble than it is worth, being so far less protective or durable than their own natural skins, plus dragons take great pride in being dragons, so little reason they would want to emulate the "lesser races" unless nessassary

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dragons and humanoid brains, at least to my knowledge, function differently in a broad sense, their societies are not nessissicarily gunna be like that of a humanoid races, nor their norms, dragons are as much apex predators as they are intelligent beings

iron saffron
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Remember that the original purpose of clothing for humans was protection from the environment. Dragons don't need the functionality of clothes that humans would.

jagged apex
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one could argue they are a sort of ultimate life form, and no dragon would even suggest you being wrong in such an assertion, but do to the dracorage any nation they had, has had little if any time to rebuild, so we don't know much about what a great dragon empire looked like, at least to my knowledge

light cradle
jagged apex
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unless i am mistaken they really only have clothing when taking on humanoid shape, which is more or less a disguise, an illusion, is just so they don't look suspicious, cuz seeing some human walking around without clothing would definitely draw attention even in the realms

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plus some dragons even with such an ability would rather die than take on a "lesser" form

iron saffron
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Song dragons were the rare dragon species that preferred being in humanoid form over their natural dragon form.

jagged apex
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as do some other more notable breeds like silvers, but even they must go out and hunt once in a while in dragon form to get proper nourishment, a normal human meal even in humanoid form is more of a snack or just luxury experience for them rather than a proper meal

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historically, steel dragons are to my knowledge the one kind of true dragon that can live in humanoid form and not have to change back into dragon form for any reason until they are done living out that humanoid life, having very unique abilities suited for such purposes, even being able to sire non-half-dragon offspring or otherwise effectively "shut off" their draconic genetics

light cradle
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Do they burn dragon levels of calories even on human form?

jagged apex
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idk, they are inherently magical creatures, and historically one of the main things is an organ near the heart that infuses their blood with elemental energies and or magic, forget which, before being pumped through the rest of the body

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all i know is most likely dragons still burn the same amount of calories and otherwise expend energy as they would in dragon form, only one i could see thing being an exception is the case of the steel and maybe the song dragons, but if any, definitely the steels historically would presumably use up the same amount of energy as an actual member of the species they are taking the form of

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which is kind of crazy cuz at least from what i am aware in older editions, one of the unique things about them was that unlike the other dragons with shape changing abilities would still have access to their draconic might, retaining things like their strength, constitution, ect...

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so if they wanted to they could be in the form of an old decrepid man for example, and still hit and get hit like a tank or a truck

iron saffron
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Dragons don't need to consume as much food as you think they need to.

light cradle
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Can’t they sleep for years or whatever?

iron saffron
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Yes

jagged apex
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to my knowledge the most detailed lore we ever got on dragon biology, be it individual breeds, the species as a whole, or what ever, is 3e's draconomicon, so if it ain't in there, likely is something ment to be left vauge and up for interpriation

iron saffron
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I'm not home at the moment so I can't check

jagged apex
# light cradle Can’t they sleep for years or whatever?

if i am not mistaken and my memory serves, the kinds known to sleep for the longest periods at a time are white, green, and red dragons, may not be in that order, but to my knowledge those are the 3 breeds noted for sleeping for some of the longest periods at a time, for different reasons, but tend to sleep for years at a time rather than say a day or a tenday

light cradle
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Interesting

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So they don’t sleep for a the whole time they are active?

feral lintel
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Dragons are basically giant cats

jagged apex
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to my knowledge it varies, but some breeds are known to sleep for longer periods of time than others, as i mentioned

jagged apex
feral lintel
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3e even says they loaf

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sour wolf
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Hi everyone! I am making a new character and thinking of making a Wildfire Druid/Order Cleric multiclass. Is there any diety that fits the bill of Order and Fire? It's for a Curse of Strahd game

sharp owl
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You'll want to specify what setting/plane your character is from

jagged apex
# main canopy Red Dragons are among the most active because their priority is going out and gr...

though they also sleep for very long periods of time from what i am aware and most people get the misconception, in universe of a dragon being active a lot mainly cuz it is not the same dragon but rather different reds trying to one up each other, sometimes when the dragon they think those other reds are is actually asleep, plus that does not necessarily mean they themselves are necessarily active the most, the two are different things, remember dragons, especially powerful ones, tend to have minions, such as kobolds, who will do their master's bidding https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Red_dragon#Personality

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and at least according to what is cited on the forgotten realms wiki, as far back as the tsr era draconomicon they were noted as going into long periods of hibernation

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so far as i know, you may be jumping to conclusions that simply because of their avaricious nature and focus on growing their hoard they are the most active, but that is not necessarily true, as this is simply in comparison to other dragons and again, there are a number of ways a dragon could grow their hoard without necessarily having to be active themselves, especially if they have minions such as kobolds

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Are the bugbear deities Hruggek, Grankhul, and Skiggaret all still alive, or is one (or more) of them dead? Been playing a character who worships all three of them and someone mentioned that one of the three gods had died, but I can't seem to find any info on it (and they said they couldn't remember which one or where they had seen it either)

feral lintel
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According to Volos, Hruggek and Grankhul are still around

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Yeah, all three are still around

willow harness
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Ah, so maybe Skiggaret is the one he was thinking of

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Oh, good!

feral lintel
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Skiggaret is described as their boogeyman

willow harness
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I know he's kind of separate from the other two (I think Hruggek and Grankhul are brothers)

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But I think Grankhul and Skiggaret might be roommates, hehe

feral lintel
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Yeap. Those two often fight together. Skiggaret... best not to mention him TowaShh

willow harness
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Thank you for your help!

feral lintel
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Np. I always enjoy FR lore

jagged apex
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none of the three are dead, skiggaret simply has not been used in published materials since 2e is all

jagged apex
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but with Hruggek we got extrememly little, other than he was the chief deity of the bugbear pantheon before Maglubiyet beat the goblinoid pantheons into submission

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by which i mean he gave them 2 choices, serve under him or die

near musk
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in the world of dragonlance is the armour worn by Tiama's human form avatar an actual equipment or it just a part of the avatar's form

iron saffron
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Check her statblock (which the 5E book doesn't include Takhisis' statblock).

near musk
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im only familar with 5e stuff and i think 5e only has stat blocks for her draconic forms avatars

iron saffron
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She is Takhisis in Dragonlance.

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In the 3.5E Deities & Demigods book Tiamat's avatar's statblock doesn't include a humanoid form.

jagged apex
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given she is a god, i presume like other gods it would not actually be equipment, it would literally be a part of their body

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and at least the way she is described in the 5e book appearance wise, it seems to imply much like when a dragon shapechanges, it is just part of their body, it is not something that you could just steal from her, you ain't getting that without her permission as presumably she would actually have to use her divine power to create such a suit of armor for you, cuz the armor her humanoid form is wearing is not actually armor presumably

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else the rest of that seems would go more into mechanics than lore

iron saffron
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In 3.5E Deities & Demigods, some gods' statblocks do take into account armour but it barely helps given they get more AC from their natural, deflection, and divine protection.

jagged apex
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but either way, if you think you are gunna be able to just get that armor off Takhisis, odds are you are not gunna be able to unless she gives it to you, at least based on what i can find, especially with 5e even saying that despite sometimes appearing as a powerful human warrior in gleaming armor, her true form is of course a massive multi headed dragon

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only real difference between the two forms is aesthetics and the avatar's physical size

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the rest again would more so come down potentially to mechanics rather than lore

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also, given the level of magic on krynn compared to other worlds, that information would not even do you any good, cuz player characters technically are most likely to reach levels of power lower than those of say those in worlds like toril that make it to what mechanically would be 20th level, so either way, there would be no point in stating out Takhisis, cuz not only is she more powerful, at least to my knowledge, on krynn than tiamat is on worlds like toril, but also the would be heroes are gunna be even weaker, so there is no realistic chance they'd be able to win in a traditional fight

light cradle
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what is going on in other star systems in forgotten realms? could I reasonably have a planet exist in same universe but not really related?

iron saffron
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Forgotten Realms concentrates on the continent of Faerun on the planet of Toril, which is the third planet (out of nine) of the Realmspace system, which in turn is one of countless systems in the Material Plane.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Realmspace

light cradle
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so there could be similar life bearing worlds to toril

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I mean there is?

iron saffron
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Yes...

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The Greyhawk setting is set on Oerth in Greyspace.
The Dragonlance setting is set on Krynn in Krynnspace.

light cradle
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thanks!

serene crater
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Quick question. I know in normal circumstances mind flayer colonies abhor the arcane. But has there ever been a case of an arcane elder brain before?

jagged apex
muted hedge
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why does magic not work against rakshasas?

feral lintel
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That's more a mechanical question. And only spells of 6th level or lower to not affect them

sharp owl
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They're asking why, in lore, they have that ability

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And I believe there isn't an in-setting explanation given; rakshasa are taken from IRL mythos and as such inherited a lot of traits from that origin

muted hedge
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That's what I was asking thanks

cinder cloud
# muted hedge why does magic not work against rakshasas?

I was actually curious about this. Turns out the original 1st edition Monstrous Manual had them immune to magic of 8th level of below. So the answer is that they were just always like that. The Hindu rakshasa has no such abilities (although they do have the powers to create illusions). Just an issue of D&D tradition, it seems.

light cradle
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Where other planets on the material plane affected by massive events on others? Talking about like the spell plague and time of troubles

iron saffron
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Spellplague and Time of Troubles is limited to Realmspace.

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The Material Plane is "our" universe.

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There are infinite number of planets in it.

light cradle
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Is realmspace all of space in the material plane of just the toiel solar system?

iron saffron
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Dude, I explained this to you yesterday.

light cradle
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Sorry man

iron saffron
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The Material Plane is the universe.

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Reamspace is the "solar system" where Toril is located. The Material Plane has countless number of "solar systems" (aka wildspace systems)

light cradle
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Oh ok

iron saffron
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Toril is the third planet (out of nine) in Realmspace.

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Faerun is one of several continents on Toril. The Forgotten Realms campaign setting is based around Faerun.

light cradle
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Ok so does mystral/mystra not admin all of magic them if her death didn't affect all of the various systems of the material plane?

iron saffron
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What...

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Do you not read what I wrote?

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The gods of Realmspace only affect Realmspace.

light cradle
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Ok I guessed as much

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Thank you for your patience

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And explaining

iron saffron
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Seriously, you need to read the answers we give you. You've asked the same thing number of times.

cinder cloud
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You beat me to it 🙂

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The Wiki should have all the answers to these sorts of basic questions

digital quest
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Is there a dnd heaven?

light cradle
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Ok so does that mean there are infinite gods administrating infinite systems through out the material plane?

digital quest
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I know there’s the nine hells, but idk about a holy equivalent

iron saffron
iron saffron
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Even Toril has many pantheons with gods sharing the same porfolio.

cinder cloud
iron saffron
cinder cloud
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As well as their followers who die and their soul finds their way to the upper planes

light cradle
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Dang thats alot of gods to have. Infinite

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That being said. I think I got it mostly all straight now you won't be hearing form me on all this again.

iron saffron
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The Faerunian pantheon has a lot of gods. Other continents of Toril have their own set of deities as well.

iron saffron
light cradle
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Yeah but this is quicker and easier. And I thought talking about stuff is more fun for everyone.

feral lintel
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Reading the wiki is faster, technically

light cradle
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Yeah but you would probably have to sift through more stuff to find your answer

feral lintel
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Theres control F

iron saffron
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We're not google.

feral lintel
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we're pretty much just parroting the wiki most of the time

cinder cloud
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And good luck if someone isn't watching in here

feral lintel
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except maybe for old man, he probably knows a lot

iron saffron
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I still go to the FR wiki and/or my books to confirm.

shadow haven
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Lore question

A character in our campaign was banished into the Astral plane. In game 6 days have passed in the prime material plane, how much time has passed for them in the Astral plane?

iron saffron
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Six days.

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https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Astral_Plane#Geography

Time in the Astral flowed at the same rate on a Prime Material plane but the effects of time were slowed almost to a stop ― a thousand years in the Astral plane felt like only a day to the traveler. Hence, it was sometimes considered effectively timeless.

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Their body hasn't aged six days but six days still has passed.

shadow haven
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So a character spending 1000 years there will still have 1000 years of time pass on the material plane but they've only "aged" one day?

iron saffron
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Yes.

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This is why creatures like the githyanki who reside in the Astral Plane have to go to the Material Plane to have and raise children.

shadow haven
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That's good to know. I thought they had 6k years in there and went mad glad to know that isn't the case.

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Is there any plane of existence where time flows differently?

feral lintel
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Generally the Feywild

light cradle
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Yeah they can get up to 1 day: 1 year I think

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Is foxes being from earth canonical I read that on the wiki.

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Wild If true

manic apex
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Trying to create an elf villain, what exactly is a drow ?

iron saffron