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wet roost
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I think confusion is a reasonable reaction to being presented with conflicting statements without the context to properly make sense of them - which is what the wiki entries do.

jagged apex
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is not really confusing unless you never looked at the 5e cosmology

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or thought that it all was one cohecive continuity, each edition and each form of media is it's own continuity, and 4e ignored a lot of things that made it so far removed from other editions

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just cuz something is not documented on the wiki does not mean it has not happened, they have thousands of pages to update and regulate

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not all of them are gunna be up to date in every detail

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the forgotten realms wiki is a place that more or less consolidates sources, it in it of itself should not be used as a primary source

wet roost
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Yeah but the wikis own the SEO so if they're wrong in some way it will cause a disproportionate amount of confusion.

jagged apex
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SEO?

wet roost
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Search engine optimization - when I google ethereal plane, who is the first source I see?

jagged apex
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that is not really a lore thing, and is more so a thing of the wiki, which is not perfect, but is better than most other similar wikis in avoiding spreading misinformation

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you should always check the lore and information in the edition you are playing as your primary source, the wiki is best used as a secondary or otherwise additional sort, either way this is getting far off from lore

wet roost
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Yes I agree, that is why I asked. I didn't know there was a legal imperative to write in the past tense either.

jagged apex
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in regards to the wiki, is partially for legal reasons from my understanding, is also why they often paraphrase a little and make sure to give the sources cited so one can look up the proper context/info

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but yeah, back to lore, the ethereal plane very much does exist after the second sundering, even if it was destroyed during the spellplague, not everything destroyed in such events nessissarily remains so

feral lintel
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How far away is Phandelver/Phandalin from Baldur's Gate?

jagged apex
feral lintel
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oog, geography. Thanks Scarlet!

jagged apex
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seems it would be a similar if not the same distance as it is from neverwinter to baldur's gate, if that helps at all

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maybe a bit closer

iron saffron
feral lintel
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Oh, didnt realize there was one. Thanks OldMan!

sterile breach
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There's a couple, and they give slightly different distances, but the consensus seems to be over 700 miles.

feral lintel
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Thats a bit of what im getting aye, and usually over the span of a month

hollow raven
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Hi all.

I'm searching for a lizard's folk god of peace.... any suggestion ?

feral lintel
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Not sure if lizardfolk have gods of peace. Doesnt fit their vibe

jagged apex
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if one were to worship a god of peace, they'd be worshiping a god not specific to their race

jagged apex
feral lintel
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Yee, thats what i mostly meant

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Doesnt make sense for a survivalist race have notions, especially FR lizardfolk, have Peace domaon gods

jagged apex
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either way it would be odd for one to worship such a god, especially in settings like forgotten realms and greyhawk, just to clarify, less so a god of peace but more so a god not of their people, given how they see the world as having two kinds of beings, lizardfolk and meat

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personally i feel Eldath would be a thematic fit https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Eldath as the lizardfolk and at least one of their gods have an associated with water, as lizardfolk can swim and to my knowledge a majority live underwater, not like an aquatic race, but more so like in air pocket like caves that they would swim to, else more commonly you use them in swamps and marshes

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like their original god, Essylliss, was in 3e noted as being a god of water death

jagged apex
feral lintel
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Might have been autocorrect.

hollow raven
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Thank's at all of you.

steady verge
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Can someone explain Wild Magic to me in a lore sense?

covert verge
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Is there a flying manta ray creature in DnD? Anything vaguely fitting that description that isn't a Cloaker?

iron saffron
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Lurker Above (the ceiling version of Trapper)

iron saffron
# steady verge Can someone explain Wild Magic to me in a lore sense?

Read the narrative flavor of that sub-class:
Your innate magic comes from the forces of chaos that underlie the order of creation. You might have endured exposure to raw magic, perhaps through a planar portal leading to Limbo, the Elemental Planes, or the Far Realm. Perhaps you were blessed by a fey being or marked by a demon. Or your magic could be a fluke of your birth, with no apparent cause. However it came to be, this magic churns within you, waiting for any outlet.

jagged apex
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granted that is the forgotten realms version, so certain things or at least the term, such as the weave, may not exist in the setting depending on said setting

iron saffron
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Again the subclass description better sums it up

jagged apex
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the important part either way is it is magic that can not be fully controlled

hollow raptor
iron saffron
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They swim not fly though

jagged apex
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the vampiric versions may, not sure off the top of my head and did not see them mentioned on the wiki

jagged apex
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checked, evidently, the vampiric ones do not

obtuse bloom
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are half dragons warm blooded ?

crude blaze
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I don’t think there’s anything out there that suggests whether or not they aren’t

iron saffron
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D&D doesn't really go into science.

modest badger
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According to 4e's Draconomicon (Chromatic) Dragons control their own body-heat anyway, in a supernatural version of endothermic

People assume that dragons are cold-blooded due to their apparently reptilian nature. In truth, a dragon does not depend upon the environment for warmth, but rather maintains a consistent internal temperature. By broad definition, that makes dragons warm-blooded, but true warm-blooded creatures maintain their body temperature by increasing their metabolic rate when the environment grows cold and by slowing their metabolism and shedding heat— through sweating, panting, or similar methods—when the environment warms.
The elemental energy flowing through a dragon’s bloodstream, on the other hand, maintains the wyrm’s proper range of internal temperatures, regardless of external environment.
4e Draconomicon: Chromatic Dragons, p.12 'Metabolism'
So may very well depend on the draconic heritage.
I think 3.5 Draconomicon had something similar... Need to check Fizban's now.

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Yep, 3.5 also agrees dragons are endothermic:

All true dragons are endothermic. Given their elemental nature, they could hardly be otherwise. A dragon’s body temperature depends on its kind and sometimes on its age. Dragons that use fire have the highest body temperatures, and dragons that use cold have the lowest.
3.5 Draconomicon pg 9, Metabolism

iron saffron
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That's dragon biology though. The original question for was for half-dragons

modest badger
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I assumed the assumption here was that Half-dragons may not be endothermic, because Dragons are reptilian coded and so assumed to be exothermic and cold blooded.

So by explaining that dragons are actually endothermic, and with the assumption that the half-dragon's other heritage is also endothermic (most humanoids seem to be at least), then there is a strong chance they will also be endothermic- but that their draconic heritage will still play a large factor in body temperature.

jagged apex
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to my knowledge true dragons can regulate their body temperatures, to a degree, which is why a red dragon can be in such cold enviorments for their lair of choice but not be bothered by the cold

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same but in reverse for white dragons, though does have a limit that keeps them from going and dwelling places that are too warm

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logically a half dragon would likely have either the same temperature to their body and the blood in it, as their non draconic half, else likely depending on the type colder or warmer than if they were not, given that other humanoid draconic creatures with a weaker and lost potent connection to dragon kind, such as dragonborn are noted as having a body temperature that when compared to a human would seem feverish, though for them is perfectly average and healthy

jagged apex
# modest badger According to 4e's Draconomicon (Chromatic) Dragons control their own body-heat a...

fizban's mainly goes into how they are created, not their biology, making clear to show that they are not strictly the result of biological reproduction, quote "Just as dragon reproduction is not necessarily a straightforward biological process, half-dragons come into being through a variety of means. The Half-Dragon Origin table below offers examples.

Dragons create half-dragon progeny for a wide range of reasons. Some dragons create half-dragons to secure reliable minions. Others seed half-dragons around their lairs to make the area more dangerous to interlopers. And on many occasions, half-dragons simply appear spontaneously or are an accidental consequence of a dragon’s magical power and influence." end quote

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the rest of that small part in that chapter goes into a table with several examples/suggestions of how half-dragons may come into being

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is a sub part/column what ever you wanna call it, under reproduction

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so may depend on what the 5e monster manual entry says for them, if 5e gave any new info regarding their biology

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else, we'd have to go off prior editions if any published lore

modest badger
# obtuse bloom are half dragons warm blooded ?

Yeah, just looked through now. I keep thinking of it like the 5e Draconomicon, which is pretty much is, but doesn't have the same focus as earlier ones.
2e Draconomicon doesn't touch upon it. But we do have at least 3.5 and 4e agreeing on dragons being a form of supernaturally endothermic, which I don't believe has been contradicted yet.

So seems to be that it will heavily depend on the half-dragon's heritage, and perhaps even how it came to be. But at the very least their draconic heritage lends to being a strange elemental based endothermy. So case by case, DM fiat. Not sure there is any specific lore on what a half-dragon may inherit regarding this topic. Did that help at all TymonEz?

jagged apex
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more often than not, they likely are gunna be warm blooded, just cuz of the nature of true dragons, so as long as you remember, just cuz they have scales like reptiles, does not make dragons reptiles in dnd, at least not to the degree of biology, dragons are dragons

jagged apex
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though looking at that again, seems in the past editions, that resistance might have been out right immunity

feral lintel
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Also, is there anything about the philosophies and beliefs about the Illmatari besides whats listed in the Personality section?

eager bay
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Who are the Xanathars?

feral lintel
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A line of beholders who took on the name after killing the last Xanathar; its a crime syndicate in Waterdeep

shy nexus
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@feral lintel
The cur of Gehenna is only mentioned in a book in BG3 and was created to fill in the history of the Iron Helm of Heroes (nice to know my wiki article was read and inspired something in the game).
https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Divine_Rapture_of_Ilmater

sharp owl
# eager bay Who are the Xanathars?

There was an original Xanathar, a beholder that took over the Zhentarim crime syndicate
He was eventually killed by another beholder, but this beholder had a classic moment of beholder logic
"If I killed Xanathar and took over his position, other beholders might get the idea that they can kill me and take my position!"
So that beholder took the name Xanathar and pretended that nothing had happened, and all the members of the syndicate went along
Then another beholder came along, killed that "Xanathar" and followed the same logic
And this is how Xanathar became a sort of pseudo-title/identity

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@shy nexus Who are you replying to?

shy nexus
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Ti-Moth.

sharp owl
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ah yeah, cool

jagged apex
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interestingly two of the notable ones retired, one of them doing so peacefully, so is not like all of them have to murder their predecessor to acquire the title

thorny phoenix
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How do relationships of wild elves work, especially those of royal family? King Melandrach of Misty Forest has a wild elf son but also a moon elf/wild elf son. There is no information about their mothers that I could find but as I understand it, they are both considered proper princes. Can someone provide any additional insight to anything related to this?

feral lintel
jagged apex
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not even sure they have royal families

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given their society is described as tribal

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given it is forgotten realms specific content, i'd suggest asking ed greenwood as he would likely know the answer better than anyone and be willing to disclose that info without having to wait to get it into a book or published product

pine plume
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ok one question about tieflings.

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can a tiefling be born from other races? or is it specific to humans.

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like can there be a tiefling from a half orc bloodline?

feral lintel
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As of rn, tieflings are from humans

jagged apex
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historically, other races had their own equivilents in past editions

magic jackal
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Depends on setting.

jagged apex
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some, like the tanarruk in 5e have become more so half-fiends making them more similar to a cambion than a tiefling

magic jackal
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Which setting are you discussing?

iron saffron
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Yes, there are tieflings from non-human stock. In 3E they used other names such as Fey'ri for elf/demon hybrid and Tanarukk for orc/demon hybrid.

jagged apex
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that is for forgotten realms at least, but some of these change depending on the edition, as i mentioned with tanarukk when comparing it in 5e to past editions

iron saffron
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There's also a duegar/fiend hybrid as well (I don't recall the name on top of my head).

grim siren
# eager bay Who are the Xanathars?

An important note about Xanathar. The original Xanathar worked for the Zhentarim, Xanathar was never in control of the Zhentarim. When he arrived in Waterdeep with the mission to topple the Lords so that new ones that were more friendly to Zhent activity could be placed, the original Xanathar went independent.

The leader at the time of the Original Xanathar, was Manshoon who founded the Zhentarim.

Leadership of the Zhentarim passed on to Fzoul Chembryl a Chosen now Exarch of Bane.

As of 5e the leader of the Zhentarim is The Pereghost.

The Original Xanathar died during the Time of Troubles killed by a group of adventurers under the orders of the Lords of Waterdeep. They were aided by a beholder who then took the name Xanathar.

iron saffron
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Yup that's it.

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3.5E had a large variety of planetouched creatures (creatures from the elemental and outer planes crossbred with mortals from the Material Plane).

jagged apex
# pine plume like can there be a tiefling from a half orc bloodline?

historically, in the past that would arguably have been somewhat like a tanarukk, but as of their latest lore in 5e, they are more akin to half-fiends like cambions than they use to be compared to tieflings, but it would by no means be impossible, the only thing orcs in forgotten realms can't reproduce with among humanoids, to my knowledge at least, is elves, mainly cuz both patron gods of their pantheons actively prevent it much like Moradin does with dwarves and breeding with non dwarves

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jagged apex
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the differences for such a tiefling would just be a tiefling with some more orc like features, as orc dna, at least to my knowledge, is so potent that in the realms often people in the silver marches can't even tell the difference between a half orc and a full blooded orc, and thus will kill them on sight because they will just assume they are an orc and all that goes with that assumption, heck is not even uncommon for a bulk of a tribe to be composed of half orcs raised by their orc parents

jagged apex
pine plume
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ah a misread

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Sorry

jagged apex
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the only ones i know of them not being able to is with elves, and again that is cuz of divine intervention times 2

jagged apex
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and that is mainly in forgotten realms, and presumably other settings where the gods Corellon and Grummsh have influence

jagged apex
# pine plume Okie dokie.

one can argue there may be some mechanical differences too, but they would be very minor, beyond the topic of this channel, and or be more so a thing to discuss with your dm

pine plume
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thank you.

tardy sinew
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I’m just stepping back into DnD after 35! years absence. It’s good to see some old stuff here that I know. Lol. I last played when I was in 8th grade. Lots of cool tools now and a level of depth that I couldn’t have ever imagined way back then…and I had a big imagination. Lol.

iron saffron
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Do you have lore questions?

sly scroll
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Anyone want to help me out with some Rituals and Prayers for a cleric of Asmodeus?

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not much is written. Found a lot of history and lore on them but not having a lot of success findinng out anything on any of the actual religious practices of the relgiion. I start my character tonight and wanted to have some "daily prayers/rituals" as well as some that I do at other times but there isn't much written already.

iron saffron
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#dm-discussion would be a better place since you would be creating stuff out of whole cloth than from actual lore.

iron saffron
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This channel only deals with lore that has been officially published and not deal with "what if" or help create new lore.

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Given that Asmodeus is "the Devil" himself, I'm sure that TSR/WotC wanted to avoid details of "satanic worship" given that D&D was heavily criticized during the mid-1980s' "Satanic Panic" which led to heavy self censorship by TSR (all mentions of angels, devils, demons, and daemons were removed until the late 1980s).

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If it's about your character's background then #character-discussion would be a better fit.
If it's on filling in the details of the church of Asmodus then #dm-discussion or #dm-world-building would be a better place.

Again, this channel isn't to help create new lore but try to answer published official lore.

jagged apex
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while is not quite an answer, it would give you and your dm something to go off of, when making your own details

strong monolith
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There's a section about reporting results in Legacy of the Crystal Shard (Adventure p. 19), which begs the question what were the results? I'd love to incorporate these into my Rime campaign.

iron saffron
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Legacy of the Crystal Shard was part of the Encounters program, which was the precursor to Adventure's League. You would probably have to ask WotC about the results since that particular adventure was published back in 2013.

jagged apex
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to my knowledge we don't know the canonical outcome of the adventure cuz of it being that weird in between thing for 4e and 5e proper, and as an adventure we don't know the results of the adventures until their events are refferenced in future ones

jagged apex
iron saffron
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Whatever occured during Legacy of the Crystal Shard happened during 4E and thus before 5E officially started so its changes, if any, were included in the 5E timeline.

jagged apex
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i have never even seen anyone try to summarize the events of the adventure, nor does the wiki page for it shed much light, so i doubt there is a known conclusion, or if there is, is probably something only the people at wizards of the coast know

iron saffron
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2013 was on the tailend of 4E and I stopped playing 4E by then so I know nothing about the Encounters, let alone Legacy of the Crystal Shard.

jagged apex
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honestly to me is iffy if it is 5e or 4e material, as the wiki classifies it under the playtest material for 5e sourcebooks, but honeswtly if you wanted to incorperate it's events the most likely way would likely have to involve you running it for a group and using the outcomes of your table's version, unless there is some sort of published account of how the events played out for the published continuity, which to my knowledge there is none

iron saffron
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So yeah, it's not "offiical" but playtest material. The feedback would be for playtesting the early 5E rules rather than affecting lore.

jagged apex
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which is yet another reason why i doubt there even is a canon set of outcomes for the events for the events of the published continuity

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so any would be conclusion, again if there is any for the published continuity is likely scattered across several characters' own histories and or timelines

strong monolith
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It's just weird to me that the only mention of this in Rime is that Vaelish doesn't succeed. But nothing about Auril's Chosen or Dwarven civil war in there. Though the absence of Dwarves in the mountain could point to that outcome.
Also frustrating that Storm Giants is in Bryn Shander after Rime but not a mention of the two year long winter they just endured.

jagged apex
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not everything happens back to back

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some take place in different places in the timeline than the release of the adventures irl may suggest

thorny helm
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Is there other continents on toril besides faerun?

iron saffron
jagged apex
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faerun is basically just the most utilized and thus fleshed out one

iron saffron
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Kara-Tur, Zakhara, and Maztica had their own campaign setting back in 2E.

jagged apex
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yeah but do to them being products of their time, in some cases based on some less than pleasant assumptions, have not been released in later editions, eventually leading toward faerun becoming far more fleshed out as so much more adventures and editions focused on it

iron saffron
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Anyway, the question has been answered.

jagged apex
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indeed

grim siren
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There are also two additional continents that Ed Greenwood has talked about very briefly in his tweets. Arandron, and Thuin.

drowsy wraith
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What's happening on them?

fierce furnace
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is neverwinter relatively close to the high forest?

fierce furnace
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yeah, I found a map and it didn't have a scale

sharp owl
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This interactive map is useful for measuring distance, although do be warned that it's not 100% accurate to official lore (there are some speculative or incorrect details)

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Travelling by road Neverwinter, going south along the High Road and then east through Triboar and Yartar to the edge of the High Forest where it meets the Dessarin River, it's 460 miles

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That translates to 18 days travel on foot at a normal pace

fierce furnace
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hmm... is there enough forest over there to justify a half-elf of the wood variety?

sharp owl
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That's not really a lore question

fierce furnace
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fair, more geographic, my bad

sharp owl
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Well no, geography still falls under lore

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The reason it's not a lore question is because it's speculative, rather than discussing what has been stated to be the case

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But apparently there is a population of Wood Elves dwelling there, who migrated from Evermeet to the High Forest in 1372 DR

fierce furnace
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It says that the neverwinter wood is home to some wood elves

sharp owl
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Okay?

fierce furnace
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that's 3 days on foot

sharp owl
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That wasn't what you asked though?

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Were you just looking for the nearest wood elf settlement to Neverwinter?

fierce furnace
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yeah

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coulda been clearer

eager bay
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Oh that's an interesting idea. I wonder what they're settlements are like in Neverwinter Wood

mild oar
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Lore-wise what is the most common type of creature type found in dungeons? - I am rolling up a dungeon delving archologist who was trained by a Copper Dragon to explore and loot dungeons for him.

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Thought it would make for a cool Hobogoblin Drakewarden

unkempt merlin
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"Dungeon" is an incredibly broad term, and is often non diagetic. What can show up in a "dungeon" varies wildly for many reasons, and isn't really a lore question as a result.

mild oar
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yeah I guess so I was thinking Monstrosities

unkempt merlin
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Nah, that's just a creature type. Plenty of other creature types exist

mild oar
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that is what I am looking for though ... like what sort of creatures would a copper dragon train an army of hobgoblins to be ready for in a dungeon

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hrm

thorny helm
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How does Lolth feel abt shar and vice versa?

jagged apex
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depending on the type of dungeon, oozes are popular, they clean them for the wizards just by way they normally behave

jagged apex
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though if we were to extrapolate the opinions of some former lolth followers, one could argue they look down on those of the sharan faith, but to my knowledge nothing official is stated regarding them and how they view each other

jagged apex
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though nothing connecting shar and lolth herself as having any sort of interaction or perceptions of one another

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so any opinion of lolth she may have gotten by way of mention from Vhaerun, would no doubt be negative

thorny helm
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Fair enough

jagged apex
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but at best, they are not even on one another's radar, at least seems to be the case from what is known regarding any would be relationship in published material

thorny helm
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They have (semi( common enemies (in a way) but also postitive relatioship w an "enemy". Id put them.more skeptical of eachother if they knwo of eachother

jagged apex
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well remember, with drow, who the most known are heavily shaped by lolth and her own design, so odds are they are not allies at at best may only be occasional allies like other evil deities in lolth's relationship such as Loviatar, Malar, and Ladurguer https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Lolth#Relationships

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they likely do know each of each other, but i doubt shar considers her any sort of threat, given she is a greater deity where as lolth is a lesser deity, so is not like she'd be able to murder her for more power, though shar could if she suddenly decided to, she would just have to land a fatal blow in her (lolth's) realm

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granted lolth would be far from helpless, but in terms of just divine power, shar has more innate divine power than lolth currently it seems, hence their differences in divine status

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plus lolth tends to be hyper focused on the elves and their gods, so is not like she would have reason any time soon to pick a fight with shar

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though if Selune and Eilistraee, as well as Mystra are allies, i could see cases where there goals or interests could align

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cuz Shar and Selune are basically like tiamat and bahamut, one always dedicated in their fight with their other half so to speak

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so i feel their relationship if any would likely be similar to lolth's relationships with Loviatar and Malar, based on what we do know actually being established in published materials

sudden robin
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yo hol up

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how do illithiliches work

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if mindflayers dont have souls how is that supposed to work

unkempt merlin
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Liches do have souls

sudden robin
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i know but

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you do know what an illithilich is right?

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OH

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Im stupid

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i meant to say mindflayers

unkempt merlin
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They also have souls

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Despite insinuations in a recent game

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Whether or not their soul is the same soul as the creature that became them is a different question

sudden robin
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ah ok

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ty

clever path
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They have ‘a Soul equivalent’ but Fearun gods cannot interact with it in the same way as normal souls and that’s why they don’t get to benefit from regular afterlife stuff and why merging to the elder brain is a big deal to them. It’s their closest thing to immortality otherwise

jagged apex
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as for the having souls thing, illithids have souls or not, there are multiple cases where the lore itself in the current edition provides conflicting statements and evidence, making it a bit confusing or unclear

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and this is both in the lore proper and in things like bg3

idle yarrow
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Is there any information regarding the most common language for Inevitables? Something related to Sigil and/or Mechanus?

jagged apex
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the first three cover the inhabitants of the outer planes

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but to my knowledge there has never been a language specific to a plane or to sigil

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closest thing you have to a plane specific language is abyssal i think

iron saffron
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As far as I can recall from 2E Planescape there's no "common" language in the Outer Planes.

jagged apex
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but logically, given there is no split like there is between the lower planes, celestial would be the most common in the sense it allows them to talk to the majority of beings it would likely interact with

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given historically they were made to uphold and enforce fundamental laws to the nature of the cosmos

iron saffron
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Upper Planes would use Celestial.
The lawful side of the Lower Planes would use Infernal while the chaotic spectrum of the Lower Planes would use Abyssal.

(Demodands and the slaadi had their own languages)

jagged apex
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in 5e the inevitable that have appeared have mostly been in their repurposed role, save for maybe the Kolyarut

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who far as i can tell still technically serve their normal role, but have been shown to delegate to maruts that are seemingly repurposed

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though that is sort of speculation, as it has not been clearly established if their 5e incarnations are repurposed or simple serve a different purpose in the 5e continuity than they did in editions past

jagged apex
# idle yarrow Is there any information regarding the most common language for Inevitables? Som...

as for sigil, i looked it up and in 5e this is what it says in regarding a common language in sigil "As people and beings from everywhere find their way to Sigil, every conceivable language comes with them. Common is the most frequently spoken language. The fact that Common-speaking travelers from different worlds can meet in Sigil and understand one another perplexes linguists and suggests that the language originated in Sigil. Creatures native to Sigil are typically fluent in Common and one other language."

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which makes for some interesting implications in my opinion i will say

idle yarrow
jagged apex
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it would not have to choose, at least historically

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it would know both

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and in 5e specifically, a Marut knows all languages, but rarely speaks

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and the Kolyarut know all languages also

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so this seems to establish that in 5e, they basically come with knowledge of every language in the multiverse when they were originally constructed

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so either way, you would not need to choose so is not really a detail that is given reason to be concerned about

idle yarrow
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ok, Thanks for the help

broken prawn
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Is there a recommended place I can look up on ebberon?

unkempt merlin
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Other than the eberron books? There's a wiki for it (albeit not maintained great), Keith bakers blog, and a bunch of novels

broken prawn
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Is there more than just "rising from the last war"?

grim siren
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Exploring Eberron and Chronicles of Eberron are both fantastic 5e resources on DMsGUILD.

unkempt merlin
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^ and there are a plethora of books from previous editions as well

jagged apex
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though just remember are part of kieth baker's own continuity likely and not necessarily wizard of the coast's as the two do differ on various things

unkempt merlin
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(Although IMO the 5e books do a much better job in the general sense)

torpid lodge
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Tbh I do with there were Eberron adventure books

feral lintel
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Rising of the last war technically is

grim siren
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For me, the best way to handle Author vs. WOTC Canon disputes is to take the author's word unless countered by the IP holder, and I mean more specifically than "Canon is what you make it."

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Because you get to still follow the broader game's lore and you get more to fill in the gaps.

jagged apex
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either way, dnd has multiple continuities, is just with some settings you got 2 options for which is the primary continuity

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though this channel you'd obviously prioritize the published one from wizards of the coast

jagged apex
acoustic condor
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Is there lore threads here or just lore discussion cuz I’m pretty new

iron saffron
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There are no threads on this server.

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If you have a question about official D&D lore there's a bunch of us lore nerds who can try to answer.

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This channel doesn't deal with "what if" questions though.

acoustic condor
jagged apex
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as here, for us to try and help, you'd have to ask us something specific in relation to the published continuities

iron saffron
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Taps channel's sign:

Discuss WotC-published game settings, and the events and characters that shaped them. Wherever possible, please indicate which setting you're discussing: [Forgotten Realms]/[FR], [Eberron], [Dragonlance], etc.

warm hawk
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Okay so I'm playing a character who worships Shar but he's good. I'm in a situation where another character is lost emotionally and mentally and he wants to tend to them, how would a Sharran Cleric normaly do so?

iron saffron
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https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Church_of_Shar#Dogma

Shar's followers were directed to "quench the light of the moon" by stealing gifts meant for Selûne and defeating her faithful at every opportunity. They were to never hide from the light and always take action while under the protection of darkness. According to some sects of the faith, she desired that they destroy all the deities of the multiverse, and undo existence itself.

The doctrine of the Sharran church placed no restrictions on crimes committed for personal gain, including but not limited to: theft, smuggling, kidnapping, murder, or underhanded business practices. Quote often though, most of Shar's followers served not for personal enrichment, but promise of her "Dark Reward": immortality by means of transition into undeath.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Church_of_Shar#Tenets

Shar's faithful were taught to transcend fear and loss suffered by members of the weaker faiths. Their most valuable commodity was their secrecy. Information was closely guarded and only revealed when it was absolutely essential, or traded for similarly confidential information. Each member of the church maintained their "Own Secret" with Shar, pertaining to their proof of devotion to her service.

Clergy members followed Shar's 'Thirteen Truths', foundational beliefs that formed the core of their faith. Among these were:

  • Love is a lie. Only hate endures.
  • Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
jagged apex
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one could arguably sum up the ideal mental state of shar's faithful as narcissistic if i am not mistaken in the usage of that word

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either way i doubt the therapy of a sharan would prove helpful outside of their own logic rooted in their faith

jagged apex
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as from what i am aware part of her doctrine is that they must do so willingly, one can't force it upon someone without effectively spitting in the face of shar

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also, from what i am able to find, does not seem we have any examples of good aligned worshipers of shar, at least all the ones considered notable on the forgotten realms wiki were rather evil in one form or another

iron saffron
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Considering Shar is a NE deity and her tenets promote her worshippers to do violent crimes, it's hard to fanthom that a good-aligned person would voluntarily worship her.

Whereas, Umberless is the evil goddess of the sea and everyone pays lip service to her so their ships won't sink or be attacked by a kraken but it doesn't mean they're worshippers of her.

jagged apex
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closest seem seems to be Shadowheart, who is a very special case i'd argue, but is noted as lawful neutral in terms of her alignment

iron saffron
jagged apex
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yeah, fair

hasty narwhal
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Hi! may i ask why DnD Lore and not FR Lore, or Dragonlance lore, or Darksun lore...? there's no DnD lore

jagged apex
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cuz dnd is not one singular thing

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it is an entire multiverse, many different settings, continuities, ect....

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some things overlap, while others do not, but they all are equally part of dnd as we know it

iron saffron
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Because there are several official campaign setting. Not everything in one setting is in another.

jagged apex
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and some like eberron are technically self-contained

iron saffron
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The closest thing to "universal" lore are stuff that pertains to the Inner and Outer Planes as many official campaign settings share the same Inner and Outer Planes.

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However, Planescape is basically the campaign setting for the Outer Planes.

jagged apex
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and some were not always part of the forgotten realms, places like kara-tur and other continents on the world of toril, to my knowledge originally were not a part of it, but were their own settings just like the likes of greyhawk, but were later rolled over into the forgotten realms

jagged apex
iron saffron
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So when someon asks a lore question we often ask, "Which setting?"
Taps channel's sign:

Discuss WotC-published game settings, and the events and characters that shaped them. Wherever possible, please indicate which setting you're discussing: [Forgotten Realms]/[FR], [Eberron], [Dragonlance], etc.

jagged apex
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planescape and spelljammer are like one part setting and one part wider part of the multiverse that dnd uses for it's various settings and stories

iron saffron
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2E Spelljammer was essentially to link official campaign setting together by letting PCs travel between known worlds/crystal spheres.

jagged apex
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basically, instead of a multiplanar metropolis/capital city of the multiverse, it let you set sail through space, or at least dnd's version as it was not space as we know it irl, even back then

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hence why sometimes people will refer to those settings as nontraditional settings or something similar, cuz they are both a setting but also a means by which the dnd multiverse is able to be connected to one another from setting to setting, with the exception of self contained ones such as eberron where it honestly gets a bit messy without making it clear which continuity you are going off of

acoustic condor
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Is their any lore on the warlock pact gods that I should know or would that be metagaming

jagged apex
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to my knowledge warlocks rarely make pacts with gods, usually is some powerful entity that is not technically a deity

acoustic condor
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I meant like the great old one and the archfey

jagged apex
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else i think what you may be thinking of would potentially be meta

acoustic condor
feral lintel
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Thats up for you and your DM to decide on

jagged apex
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most of the general lore is there in the flavor text of the subclass

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anything else would be to the specific entity and thus your dm

acoustic condor
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Is their anywhere I can go to find lore without meta gaming and stuff

sterile breach
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You likely will get the lore through the game you play. You can always ask the DM if you can do research and, if so, what would be acceptable for you to know about ahead of time.

acoustic condor
iron saffron
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Talk to your DM because he may not be using official D&D campaign setting lore.

fringe terrace
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Is there a specific god or deity that goblins worship?

feral lintel
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Mag- something something

magic jackal
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Maglubiyet.

fringe terrace
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Thanks

feral lintel
fringe terrace
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I wanna make sure my goblin shaman I'm making is worshipping the right deity

feral lintel
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Technically, goblins can now worhsip whoever they want; im not sure theyre big fans of maglubiyet anyway

fringe terrace
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Yeah something else might be more fitting

agile patio
urban edge
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Hello! I have several questions if there are any good D&D lore knower available 🙂

feral lintel
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Go shoot
(you can just fire away, no need to ask)

urban edge
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Good! I've decided to play an half-orc in a roleplay server on Conan based on Ravenloft.
Ultimately, I'd like to know if there is any possible desertic/sandy settings where half-orcs could have lived.

feral lintel
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What setting?

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Ravenloft?

urban edge
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Uhhh, english isn't my native language, appologies.

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Well, that too. I have absolutely no idea what Ravenloft is.

feral lintel
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Ravenloft is a setting (world)

urban edge
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But TL:DR I wonder if there's such a thing as half-orcs sand/desert tribes

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That could exists in Ravenloft.

feral lintel
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Gothic theming

urban edge
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If I understood correctly, people in Ravenloft were abducted by an enshroudding mist in several different situations.

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But what about in regular D&D?

feral lintel
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Do you mean the Forgotten Realms?

unkempt merlin
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There are desert settings within the domains of ravenloft

feral lintel
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Oh is there?

unkempt merlin
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Such as Har'akir

urban edge
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Mhm, so in theory a half-orc in Ravenloft could be from a sandy tribe from Har'akir?

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Obviously I'll do the follow-up researches.

unkempt merlin
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It's worth noting that Ravenloft is effectively a bunch of micro settings

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Various domains of dread within the Mists of ravenloft

feral lintel
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I thought it was a smaller area in the Domains of Dread, didnt know that actually

unkempt merlin
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Barovia is another domain of dread. They aren't all just one thing. They are each their own thing.

urban edge
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le nod

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I knew it was a specific setting but I still thought there was actual D&D realm elsewhere.

unkempt merlin
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Ravenloft is a setting yes

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I'm not sure what you mean by realm

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There are many settings. Forgotten Realms, Eberron, Spelljammer, Dragonlance, Mystara, Ravenloft, Exandria, etc

jagged apex
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Ravenloft honestly do the popularity of it is among the domains of dread over the years has made it to where when someone says Ravenloft, it can either be reffering to the setting proper or to any other other domains of dread, is a misnomer that kind of makes it a bit confusing

urban edge
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Mhm, alrighty.

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Thanks deeply!

jagged apex
# urban edge Mhm, so in theory a half-orc in Ravenloft could be from a sandy tribe from Har'a...

yes, but definitely would be a minority since from what i can find the population is 99% human and 1% other in past editions, and in 5e while it does make an appearance as one of the domains detailed for 5e out of the sample of notable domains, i am not seeing anything that makes mention of the composition of it's inhabitants in 5e at least in it's section of Van richton's guide to ravenloft

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not to mention death of natives to the domains of dread sometimes can get a little funky to the point where some people may not even have souls from what i can recall, while others are reincarnated perpetually

urban edge
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Right

jagged apex
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the domain of Har’Akir in 5e is noted as being of the dark fantasy genre and it's hallmarks being noted as "Ancient tombs, desert perils, lost gods, mummies"

urban edge
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Do keep in mind it's for a roleplay serb so they're mostly open minded

jagged apex
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is basically if a section of egypt was repurposed into someone's personal hell, as is the relationship between each domain of dread and the dark lord that rules over it, which is just as much a prisoner and victim as they are lord of the domain, in 5e, the darklord of the domain is Ankhtepot

urban edge
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I struggle to understand how anyone could live in such places tho

jagged apex
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the dark powers largely

urban edge
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If it's just mummies and dark lords. How could humanoids live in there?

jagged apex
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after all, you gotta exist in some capacity for the dark powers to get any use out of you, to my knowledge lord soth escaped cuz they let him go cuz be became desensitized, ie they could not torment him anymore cuz he had been exposed to such situation so long to the point he felt nothing in the face of what was originally more or less his own personal hell, so since they could not feed off his suffering, they had no use for him and thus let him go

jagged apex
urban edge
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I mean I dunno what kind of animals would live them from them to feed on now how they'd grow stuff.

jagged apex
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not to mention remember, magic is a thing in dnd, and the dark lords are not above interfering in one way or another, is why they introduced the idea of dark pacts and deals in the 5e sourcebook for the domains of dread, so really there is a lot of ways people can survive, even if is just so the dark powers can use them to keep the nightmarish hellscape of the darklord going, they are collateral damage at best, but would not be surprised if they were feeding a little bit off their suffering too, but even though it his hard as hell, we know that does not stop people from being able to fight back against the darklord or other threats

urban edge
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I've checked bestiary, couldn't find anything

jagged apex
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not everything is reflected in mechanics

urban edge
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I am confused

jagged apex
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not everything that exists has a statblock or a dedicated one, not to mention there are plenty of examples that detail such life, and even more so with Har’Akir which has all the details needed to make use of it in 5e in the book i mentioned earlier, "Van richton's guide to ravenloft"

urban edge
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Dunno what a statblock is

jagged apex
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also it seems you are thinking of things more so with mechanics over the lore

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yet you checked the bestiary? that does not add up, as it literally has statblocks

urban edge
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What are you on about lol

jagged apex
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that is an article, not the actual section from the book i reffered to

urban edge
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I never claimed that was the case

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Idk where you got your conclusions from but I can reexplain if you're confused aswell, I am trying to know what kind of life an half-orc would had if he'd lived in Harakir.

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I really don't care about stats or whatever lol

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I just want to know what kind of story my character can tell, while being coherent

jagged apex
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plus the place has settlements where people live, not to mention people live irl in places like egypt, so i don't get why you think the bestiary has to do with people being able to survive there

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it is a hard and dark existance, not impossible, there is a clear difference

urban edge
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Obviously but it's a much different settings than IRL

jagged apex
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they still have food, water, crops, ect...

urban edge
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So I guess I can assume they have goats and stuff?

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I am very new to D&D lore I expected it to be more about monsters, especially in ravenloft, rather than "just like IRL crops & goats my dude"

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But if it's the case then good, cheers

jagged apex
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and anything not detailed, they are deliberately leaving vague for you and your dm and other readers to fill in with your own assumptions, head canons, ect...

urban edge
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👌

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That's good

jagged apex
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granted not all these things are necessarily always living among each other, but they are examples of creatures, intelligent or otherwise, that can be found typically in deserts historically speaking in the games history, so no reason they could not also exist in Har’Akir, unless it presents evidence that indicates otherwise

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also is not just mummy lords and the dark lord, hallmarks are most iconic or of note things, not all that is

feral lintel
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Speaking of creatures living in deserts, do blue dragons live mostly in deserts, and is there other locations they may lair in?

jagged apex
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depends on their edition, i recall 4e having the idea that some liked to lair alongside the coasts, presumably where the shores were sandy, else their ideal territory is deserts

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some people tend to sometimes carry that idea from 4e over, even though to my knowledge it is has not been actually reiterated in 5e, but has been a while since i have double checked such a thing, easiest way would be via dnd beyond

feral lintel
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Ah, right. Ok, thanks Scarlet though

jagged apex
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besides not every single minute detail is written down, dnd always allows the room for some freedom for the dm and players, always has

feral lintel
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My favorite part about that is that Elminster goes here for Dr. Pepper

jagged apex
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mine is that he went there and bought some beer and later sold it to a friend of his back on toril

feral lintel
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What beer i wonder lol

hard pagoda
jagged apex
feral lintel
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German Beer eh? Must have been good stuff

glossy summit
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German Beer? whats that?

feral lintel
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Beer from Germany

jagged apex
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and given the portal he has open in his secret hideout on the planet Coliar, to earth is specifically to the year 1894 AD, he always will know how much money he'd need for anything he does purchase, and does not have to bother keeping up with the economy XD

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and honestly, given he and mordenkainen have canonically met Ed greenwood, i would not be surprised if he does not even use his own money, i'd totally buy that he just gets some local currency from Ed, which also leads to the humorous meta thing that supposedly the forgotten realms setting he and wizards of the coast put out is basically just historical recounts from the works of Elminster and his collogues that he basically just adapts into the books we buy, i love it cuz is so freaking meta yet lore friendly, is the best kind of wacky

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that is probably tied for my favorite bit of lore relating to dnd's version of earth

feral lintel
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Truly is

eager bay
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Y’know I just thought of something, how many spacial dimensions does the dnd multiverse have?

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I’m assuming it’s like 5D because of the planes overlapping each other and whatnot

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But idk I just need clarification on how it all works

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Does it even have dimensionality? How does it work?

iron saffron
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The planes don't really overlap each other. They're their own separate universes.

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The Lower Planes are connected by the River Styx.

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The Inner Planes, like the elemental planes, have para-elemental planes inbetween them.

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Each plane has its own set of laws governing movement (the three dimensions) and time.

eager bay
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What about the feywild and shadowfell?

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Are they also separate universes?

iron saffron
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Yes, they're echoes of the Material Plane.

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For the Shadowfell think of the Upside Down world from Stranger Things.

jagged apex
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it's more like radio frequencies when it comes to the planes

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they all exist across the same space, just at different "frequencies" of sorts

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if you don't want a head ache, don't worry about trying to think about dnd's multiverse in a purely scientific sense, dnd's universe and real world science are not truly compatible, there can be some overlap sometimes, but there is just too much that is different for it to be a reasonable way to think of and view it

jagged apex
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if you are trying to define the dnd multiverse purely by our real world science, you are gunna fail and wind up with a head ace, cuz fundamentally it is different from our own reality, in the dnd multiverse for example magic is as much a part of the cosmos and the universe as time or space

eager bay
eager bay
acoustic condor
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My dungeon master said he encourages us to get into the lore ,where should I start learning lore from

unkempt merlin
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Depends on the setting

acoustic condor
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The setting is Alibia if that helps any

iron saffron
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That sounds like a homebrew setting your DM made up.

hot shadow
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either that or drawn from a niche source that google can't lock in

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regardless, i'd recommend asking your DM where you can learn more

iron saffron
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I suggest talking to your DM about their setting.

acoustic condor
hot shadow
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then i reckon that's the lore he's talking about you getting into!

acoustic condor
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For the home brew setting

hot shadow
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if you want more, try asking him! but specific questions might be better, so try taking what you already know and craft some probing questions

acoustic condor
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He said and I quote “I encourage people to learn more about dnd lore cuz it helps you learn how to play”

hot shadow
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that's an... interesting take, to say the least

sterile breach
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That's definitely a continued conversation with your DM—what lore they think will be useful and how. I don't think knowing D&D lore helps to play in general, but it can be helpful in specific situations. But now that's getting beyond the specifics of this channel.

sharp owl
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@acoustic condor This channel (per the channels description) is for discussing the lore of settings published by Wizards of the Coast

serene crater
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quick question in regards to death knights, if they seek to atone, are they able to stay on the material plane long enough to redeem themselves before passing on?

iron saffron
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Why wouldn't they not be on the Material Plane? They're not native to the Lower Planes.

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They're often creations of demon lords (such as Orcus, Pazuzu, or Demogorgon) or gods of death.

serene crater
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No but I wasn't sure if the moment they decide to atone they pass on immediately or are they able to do good before they leave

iron saffron
serene crater
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Ah

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Reading the list of names, some of which surprise me

iron saffron
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He's now St. Kargoth the Betrayer and appears in the final chapter of Dungeon Magazine's adventure path, Savage Tide (which is the campaign I'm DMing).

summer latch
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Is there any lore on the specific attributes of infernal iron? I checked the wiki and basically all I got is that it's mined on the 2nd and 8th layers of the Hells and it needs to be forged in Hellfire

serene crater
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if its used to craft a hellfire weapon, any creatures that die to it will become lemures in the nine hells

jagged apex
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so if wanting to get into the lore, especially for the 5e continuity, i'd start learning about the lore of the forgotten realms if i were you

jagged apex
jagged apex
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also seems there is no older lore on the substance as closest thing i could find in past editions were Baatorian Steel and Baatorian Green Steel, which from what i can tell don't have any connection to infernal iron and thus can't reasonably attribute their unique attributes to it

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other than being metallic and found in the nine hells, there is not really much known it seems about infernal iron outside of the various things it has been used to create

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given it's use in soul coins and the flavor text/description in some continuities like bg3, one could argue it has some sort of affinity with souls, but that is not really clear as is not planely stated and is more speculation based on what we do actually know it to be used for

static trench
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Are there any differences between a chromatic red Dragonborn and a red DB that's outlined in the PHB?

iron saffron
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Dragonborns have dragon ancestry based on the chromatic and metallic dragon types.

unkempt merlin
iron saffron
iron saffron
unkempt merlin
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The question was already answered not in this channel

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And they were asking about dragonborn in both scenarios, not dragons

tardy wasp
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Are there any lycanthrope deities that aren't bound to specific worlds? Like, Selune and Malar both have connections to lycanthropy, but they're both specifically gods of Toril last I've heard. Are there any others who might be found outside the brand-name settings?

unkempt merlin
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All deities are linked to a setting its part of how they work. So by that nature all of them are linked to brand name settings. Do you just mean non forgotten realms settings?

iron saffron
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This channel only deals with "brand name" settings (aka official D&D campaign settings).

iron saffron
final bronze
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Ok I need help. Lathander is part of the forgotten realms pantheon and resides in the neutral outter plane, the house of nature. But where tf is that on the great wheel? I can’t figure that out for the life of me. All I see is limbo and mechanus for neutral planes

iron saffron
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The Forgotten Realms used the World Tree cosmology from 1E to 4E but switched to the Great Wheel cosmology in 5E.

final bronze
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Ah I see thank you

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Also just discovered the world is called Toril if I’m understanding correct

iron saffron
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The Great Wheel cosmology has been the "default" cosmology since 1E (it was part of Greyhawk's). FR had its own but since FR has become the "default" official campaign setting since 3E it made sense for FR to use the Great Wheel as well.

final bronze
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Wait is lathander not a 5e god?

feral lintel
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Hes in 5e, but nit originally from 5e

final bronze
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Ah so where is he in the cosmology if not the house of nature?

iron saffron
feral lintel
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Around Elysium aye

final bronze
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Ah thank you, everything finally makes sense now

feral lintel
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Yee, i thimk they grouped a bunch of gods to certain areas of the Wheel now

final bronze
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This lore stuff is amazing, I feel so much smarter now

iron saffron
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50 years of lore with a dozen plus official campaign settings.

final bronze
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Yeah clearly

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Also

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So the raven queen is in the shadow fell, so like you could just go visit her?

iron saffron
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Well, first you need to get to the Shadowfell, which is no easy feat. Secondly, like all gods she has her own divine realm that she completely controls. You're not going to get in uninvited.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Divine_realm

Deities could shut out people they did not want coming into their realms, but most relegated the job of keeping out others to proxies.

final bronze
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Interesting

iron saffron
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Raven Queen's divine realm
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Raven_Queen#Divine_Realm

One of the Raven Queen's divine realms in the Shadowfell was a castle known as the Fortress of Memories. It was a place of overwhelming sorrow, overflowing with memories taken from mortals and fragments of dead deities, material objects collected by the shadar-kai and brought to her as gifts, and apparitions of creatures and places associated with strongly emotional stories. Swarms of ravens occasionally flew out of the fortress, taking her cryptic messages to the far reaches of the multiverse and acting as the Queen's eyes and ears while away.

feral lintel
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Anything I should know about Orthons? And why do they resemble Predators

iron saffron
jagged apex
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the part that actually does arguably resemble that of the Yautja, the actual species name of the alien from the predator franchise, is the use of equipment and fondness of hunting their prey more or less their typical personality

jagged apex
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not to mention the dangers a living mortal would have to face given their life force being so high compared to the natives would make them in a sense stick out like a sore thumb

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so probably not gunna even "see" her unless she wants you to, regardless if you manage to somehow make it to her divine realm or not

still lion
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What's the lore on fiends in the world of Eberron?, also I'm shocked the Eberron book doesn't have a Mad Max esque type subclass

unkempt merlin
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There's a bit of variance with fiends in Eberron (same as most settinys in terms of variance really) And quite a lot of it. Do you have any specific areas or?

still lion
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Like their origin mostly and what caused the introduction of tieflings, I'm playing one in a eberron game and don't know much about the lore overall

gusty lynx
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Anybody knows the lore of the druids?

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Their social structure especially

sharp owl
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That would depend on the setting and which druids within that setting you're talking about

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The Air Ashari of Tal'Dorei on the worl of Exandria have entirely different cultural norms to the orc druids who guard the planar seals on Eberron

gusty lynx
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Homebrew world, but I wanted the druids to at least be based in official lore, so I guess any works

grim siren
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Look at the Emerald Enclave in the Forgotten Realms. One of the more detailed Druidic factions in DnD.

gusty lynx
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Thank you!

unkempt merlin
# still lion Like their origin mostly and what caused the introduction of tieflings, I'm play...

Tiefling, much like fiends and other things in eberron, have multiple origins.

Some tieflings are the result of pacts with fiends, such as the denizens of the venomous demesne. Others more fall in like with "influenced by fiendish presence/descent of fiends", such as those found in the Demon Wastes. Others still would fall under the category of "planar tieflings", those are usually a result of being born in a Manifest zone for one of the planes, with variations depending on those planes (much like how a balor of fernia is very different than a balor of shavarath, which are then also both different than a balor of an overlord. same with celestials and other outsiders)

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Rising from the Last war gives a similar primer about tieflings, with other books (and Keith's blog) exploring the concepts more in various areas

jagged apex
shrewd bobcat
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Is Nyx an actual deity in D&D, or more a vague concept associated with the night?

unkempt merlin
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Nyx is a Greek deity

iron saffron
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Nyx isn't an Olympian deity in D&D as far as I know. She doesn't appear in Deities & Demigods.

shrewd bobcat
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It’s more involved in Theros

unkempt merlin
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Closest you get in dnd is the realm of the gods in Theros, Nyx. Which is presumably named for the Greek well. Not Goddess but. Deity of the night and dark.

shrewd bobcat
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Aye, I can’t find any lore about it in any sources. That’s why I wondered it it’s more a concept, like it’s the night incarnate or something.
Because there’s only passing inferences to it as even existing

unkempt merlin
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In Theros it's not a god, it's just the name for their realm yea

feral lintel
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Nyx is a Titan iirc.

calm crest
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Nyx is also the term for the material of said realm in Theros, a divine star-stuff.

feral lintel
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Mother of the Day goddess. Even Zeus fears her

sharp owl
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It can thought of as the 'heavens' or the 'firmament'

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Here's a really good resource on it
Nyx

late forge
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What Does Dragon Army mean?

jagged apex
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is a reference to the evil army on krynn that is the main evil force in that setting

iron saffron
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It's specific to the Dragonlance campaign setting.

tardy wasp
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Reading through Tome of Foes elf lore. How did living in the Feywild for countless years turn the primal elves from Fey into Humanoids, but sticking around for countless other years turned many of the eladrin from Humanoids back into Fey?

iron saffron
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They don't have a direction connection to the Feywild any more as their descendants were born in the Material Plane.

jagged apex
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plus divine blood, as the primal elves were born from drops of their god's own blood, tends to dilute over the generations

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which may or may not have been relevant as that version of corellon is depicted as more of a fey god, his fey traits being much more at the forefront

jagged apex
# tardy wasp Reading through Tome of Foes elf lore. How did living in the Feywild for countle...

as for how some may have turned back into fey, typically in dnd if you live on another plane of exisistance long enough, even mirrored ones like the feywilds, you become changed by the energies of that plane as they become infused within you, this is presumably the case for the 5e firbolg you typically see so far looking they way they do, they were firbolg that were of or from those who spent a generation or 2 in the feywilds

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at least to my knowledge

feral lintel
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Whose the minotaur demonlord again?

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Nvm just remembered its Baphomet

nova basin
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Can I ask about Scion of the Outer Planes in the Planar Philosopher background?

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Looks like I can choose a resistance and a cantrip from 5 options if I get it right

iron saffron
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This channel deals with lore only, not gameplay mechanics.

nova basin
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Oh sorry. Which channel should I use? character discussion?

iron saffron
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Yeah.

nova basin
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Thanks!

elfin cradle
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Can someone explain what the background of stormwreck isle is for me? I’m trying to run it for some of my younger cousins and I can’t figure out how to explain it

iron saffron
elfin cradle
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Discord really has a thread for everything

feral lintel
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What is Zuggtmoy's relation to myconids, if any? Not much seems to be appearing from her Wiki

iron saffron
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Nothing as far as I know.

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Myconids have their own patron deity, Psilofyr
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Psilofyr

Melding served as a form of worship for the myconids, but they did possess an actual patron deity. Psilofyr was the wise philosopher god who first taught the myconid kings how to perform alchemy, and guided the selection process for new kings as well as anointing every 20 or so kings his priests. He regularly shared his thoughts with the myconid sovereigns and thus had no need for omens. In times of great peril he would send an avatar to commune with a priest king and thus grant them his powers in order to resolve the current crisis.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Myconid#Religion

Zuggtmoy's influence could drastically change the behavior of myconids due to their fungal nature and trusting ways making them easy to corrupt. By melding with a myconid directly she could infect them with a madness and fervor that spread as others melded. Infected became enraptured by mad songs and dances, and touched by a sense of euphoria unknown to most. Eventually her abyssal presence transformed myconids into twisted monstrosities, resembling giant fungal maggots capable of actual speech and infecting others through special spores

feral lintel
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Gotcha, thanks OldMan

cursive talon
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how does the hexblade patron work?

jagged apex
jagged apex
jagged apex
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i forget, what is the name of that spell that in past editions supposidly was used to create owlbears in certain lore? i could have sworn it was there was a spell for merging two animals to create a new creature such as an owlbear, but i for the life of me can't recall the name of it

pine reef
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Do halfeves sleep or only elves don't need sleep

jagged apex
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yes

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at least in 5e

iron saffron
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They're not full elves so they don't trance but need to sleep.

unique bough
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i just learnt some drow lore and i wish i was the person 5 minutes ago

clever path
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That’s a bit vague there’s plenty of atrocity in there. What did you learn?

jagged apex
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though to be fair there are multiple kinds of drow and not all have been tainted by the sort of orginized chaos that is lolth's design in regards to their society and way of life

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then again, elves in general, have plenty atrocities to their history, at least on toril looks to the sun elves

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the sun elves being the ones that started the crown wars, or at least the first one if not the first few

feral lintel
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Elves always seem to be starting something.

clever path
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That one I really do not remember at all actually

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Weird

unique bough
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do i perm to dm you the full text?

clever path
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I mean I’m at work atm don’t tell my boss

feral lintel
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Speaking of elves, is there any background to the relationship between elves and Firbolgs? Like any specifics?

tardy wasp
jagged apex
jagged apex
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like for the time being things seem to at least suggest it as a possibility

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look to the giff and astral elves, they are pretty solid examples as are the githyanki to an extent

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the astral plane is a realm largely of thought and a connective plane that connects to the various others

unkempt merlin
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There isn't really one language

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Common, Draconic, Celestial, among many others are all relatively common

jagged apex
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yeah that is the main point too really, unlike the upper planes, or the hells, or even the abyss, it does not have it's own language

iron saffron
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There are very few creatures native to the Astral Plane. The ones from the top of my head, such as the astral dreadnaught, don't speak.

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Remembre that the Astral Plane is a transitionary plane

clever path
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The Gith are astral plane natives

unkempt merlin
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Sort of

clever path
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‘Natives’

iron saffron
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They weren't created there.

unkempt merlin
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They primarily live there now but don't originate there yea

clever path
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Hence the quotes

unkempt merlin
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But they also have their own language so

jagged apex
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they have lived in the astral plane so long they effectively have become natives at least enough to where they are cited as natives

clever path
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Yea I mean Gith are the only race that regularly populate the astral plane with a language other than common to my knowledge

unkempt merlin
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For the Astral "literally anything" makes the most sense

jagged apex
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but again, point is there is no language associated with the astral plane itself

unkempt merlin
clever path
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Draconic is used everywhere because it’s the magic language. I’m less familiar with regularly passing celestials in the astral plane

iron saffron
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Astral Plane is used by creatures of the Outer Planes (aka outsiders) to traverse to the Material Plane.

clever path
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I genuinely don’t know who ‘inhabits’ it besides Gith

jagged apex
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and some races like the Giff have something that is referred to as an astral spark in 5e, that supposedly is a lingering connection to their long forgotten god that also grants them their innate mastery of firearms, if memory serves, described as "psychic connection to the Astral Plane"

clever path
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Anyone else is passing through

iron saffron
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It's no different than asking what's the language used in the Ethereal Plane -- there isn't really since it's also a transitionary plane between the Inner Planes and the Material Plane.

jagged apex
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being a realm of thought honestly is reasonable that the inhabitants could have known any given language of an intelligent race that can think, or even out right telepathy, either is reasonable given the nature of the astral

iron saffron
jagged apex
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eh, still i feel is relevant cuz it involves the astra nad do the nature of spelljamming in 5e makes some sense

clever path
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5e also doesn’t like firearms in general

jagged apex
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that is flat out untrue

iron saffron
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Smokepowder has been in FR since 2E...

clever path
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I’m talking about mechanically and from a player friendly viewpoint

jagged apex
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anyways many of the notable inhabitants of the astral plane have not appeared in 5e and are more from past continuities but until said otherwise, theoredically still exists

iron saffron
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Giff had firearms in 2E Spelljammer.

clever path
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I also said 5e so 2e isn’t relevant to what I said

jagged apex
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well this is lore, mechanics have no real importance here

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the only ones that hate firearms in 5e are those that buy into the misconception of dnd being strictly high fantasy ala medieval fantasy, which is inherently flawed

iron saffron
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Anyway... back to lore.

jagged apex
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yes

clever path
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Red Dragons that are in cahoots with the Gith

jagged apex
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astral dragons literally are all about living there

jagged apex
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the red dragons do not nessissarily live on the astral plane with the gith

clever path
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They asked if dragons exist there and they do not if they live there full time

unkempt merlin
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Red dragons are regularly found in the Astral alongside Gith yea

iron saffron
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2E Spelljammer had sun, moon, and stellar dragons (but remember that 2E Spelljammer didn't take place in the Astral Plane).

clever path
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So encountering a red dragon is very possible

unkempt merlin
jagged apex
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i never said it was impossible, just not that you should reasonably expect to find them there

clever path
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You didn’t say that actually

unkempt merlin
clever path
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Pretty much Every Gith city will have red dragon riders yes

unkempt merlin
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They are one of the most likely things you are to encounter in the Astral. In terms of alive things

jagged apex
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well, yeah in gith places with dragon riders, but that is far from the only or even majority of the astral plane

clever path
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And guess who the dominant force in the astral plane is?

jagged apex
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where as astral dragons very much live all over the astral plane last i checked

clever path
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That’s right. Githyanki

jagged apex
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presumably

clever path
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Canonically

jagged apex
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the astral dreadnaughts and the illithid would likely dispute that

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more so the illithid

clever path
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The Mind Flayers more frequently are in the underdark. They go to the astral but they aren’t as populous there

unkempt merlin
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Githyanki are stated to be one of the most common living things to encounter in the astral

jagged apex
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they are described as "a dominating presence"

unkempt merlin
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Mindflayers avoid the Astral when possible because of them

jagged apex
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which is an important distinction from simply being THE dominant presence

unkempt merlin
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Most things in the Astral speak multiple languages anyway

unkempt merlin
jagged apex
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to my knowledge part of the elder brain's form or essence resides in the astral plane

jagged apex
clever path
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I….don’t believe I have heard anything to that effect and sounds very dangerous for the brain

jagged apex
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as he literally used the terms "the doiminant force"

clever path
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Yes I did. No other faction was stated with the same descriptor

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Because most other entities are just using the astral plane as an in between

unkempt merlin
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Astral dreadnought aren't even a "presence". Not in the same capacity as a civilization of people is

clever path
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Rather than being a permanent resident

jagged apex
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does not mean they are the only one, especially they they are deliberatly not reffered to as THE dominant one

unkempt merlin
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Astral dreadnought are more a hazard

clever path
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I feel you’re just overthinking the word choice now

jagged apex
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many of the true natives are doubted and not even known, so just cuz we don't know of others does not mean there are not others, especially when the wording leaves the possibility open

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heck i'd argue the astral elves are a fairly sizable presence in the astral and do not answer to the gith

unkempt merlin
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All viable yea. Alongside Common

clever path
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Until a specific DM decides otherwise, the gith are explicitly the most common thing you are likely to encounter in the astral plane still

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Which was the point of the initial conversation

jagged apex
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plus the githyanki are effectively extra planar pirates/raiders ruled by an evil lich queen, so just likely to encounter more often cuz they are regularly going on raids, be it to loot, conquer, or hunting illithid

clever path
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Which again was the point of the initial conversation

jagged apex
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so at the very least the githyanki are the more active and thus mmore likely to be encountered

unkempt merlin
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Gith, and by extension Red Dragons, are both things that you should expect to encounter in the Astral

jagged apex
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apologies i was not trying to say they should not be expected at all, just only if interacting with gith dragon riders or doing something stupid like storming their city

unkempt merlin
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That's not true though

jagged apex
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but to my knowledge those red dragons are temporary, serving for a time before no longer having to remain in service and another young red dragon takes their place, granted i could be wring

unkempt merlin
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Githyanki regularly patrol the Astral

clever path
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Also the dragons are always there because new dragons are born into the deal

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It’s like saying city guards are temporary cuz they get old and retire

jagged apex
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fair, though to my knowledge not all seem to be allowed to ride red dragons as mounts, only certain githynaki seem to be allowed to

clever path
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Well yes but that doesn’t change the presence

jagged apex
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also, regarding the astral elves, i feel they are valid at least along side githyanki, to partially quote their 5e lore as a people "Astral elves were among the first creatures to dwell in the Silver Void. As other explorers have reached for the stars, astral elves have had to reckon with violent neighbors and strange visitors. Over the eons, astral elves have clashed with numerous invaders, including psurlons, mind flayers, and githyanki. When dealing with others, astral elves customarily cover their faces with ornate visors, becoming faceless extensions of their gods. Their fierce devotion to the pantheon of elven deities is repaid with divine power. " end quote

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so at least to me, they seem a slightly better mesuring stick for an astral native, if you are gunna consider the githyanki valid, simple cuz they have been there longer than the githyanki

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to my knowledge, they are not big on diplomacy, especially if their portrayal in bg3 is still largely consistent with the published lore, after all githyanki consider other races inferior to their own

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granted there are exceptions as there can be with any people, but the majority of githyanki are not likely to talk in what we may consider a civilized way

tropic coral
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Hey guys. I'm looking for a Ferune equivalent to the southern US / Florida as far as geography / environment.

Beaches, coastal villages, maybe some swampland?

Any ideas? Chult I think is a little more South America?

celest field
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Somewhere between Waterdeep and Baldur's Gate.

vocal mortar
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or even further south towards Amn

iron saffron
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The Sword Coast, where Waterdeep and Baldur's Gate, is similar to the Pacific NorthWest.

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Tethyr is probably the closest in terms of climate. Calimshan is a mix of desert and swamps, as its along the northern shores of the Trackless Sea.

grim siren
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There is also Dambrath with the half Drow and the great rethiid swamp between it and Halruaa.

iron saffron
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Right. I was going to have my PCs go near there when I was thinking of converting Valley of the Mage to FR instead of Greyhawk

thorny phoenix
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Are there any confirmed fey crossroads at the south of the Sword Coast?

vocal mortar
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Cloakwood had gates, but what happened to them and if they were fey crossings, not sure.

pine reef
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where does an oathbreaker's power come from?

feral lintel
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Its in the subclas decription

magic jackal
# pine reef where does an oathbreaker's power come from?

An Oathbreaker is a paladin who breaks his or her sacred oaths to pursue some dark ambition or serve an evil power. Whatever light burned in the paladin’s heart has been extinguished. Only darkness remains.
Seems like it's the corruption of the Paladin's original powers.

pine reef
magic jackal
jagged apex
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basically their power is the same as all paladins, is just the nature of it becomes much dareker

magic jackal
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Except it's Fervor/Zeal to something else, like a dark ambition/evil power, rather than to a specific Oath.

pine reef
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so it still requires some sort of zeal for the power to flow, correct?

magic jackal
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It isn't exactly Zeal, I'd call it more like Will.

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Devotion.

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Dedication.

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That kinda thing.

jagged apex
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as at least in 5e, paladins get their power from their conviction to what ever their oath is and their belief in it, normally tapping directly into the same sources of divine magic the gods do, just at a massively more limited capacity

pine reef
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aha, understood. so even an oathbreaker must have a dedication to something, even if it's selfish or corrupted.

jagged apex
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depends, some become purely selfish, others sometimes champion the wills of dark gods and other such entities

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to my understanding their most common dedication is to their own power and gaining as much as they can

feral lintel
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Its mostly game stuff tho, not really actual in game lore

pine reef
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I wish they'd have expanded the lore a bit on it ngl.

pine reef
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I'd wish for some lore behind it that explains how it works.

jagged apex
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check older editions then, they often have more details

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though it may be under a different name

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such as how heavily in toril at least, the Oathbreaker Knight is associated with those who would follow such a path

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and if what lore we have in the game proper is limited and does not contradict, for the time being seems somewhat valid if wanting more lore based info on it

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else largely it still works the same as other paladins in general lore wise, the main difference is their motives and what they believe in

feral lintel
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I think theyre trying to move away from more specific subclass lore for more open ended ness for the players though

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And ensure its still setting neutral

jagged apex
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which is likely why they probably still give some flavor text, which doubles as a little bit of lore to work off of, even if not as much as some might want, but fact is not everything in dnd's lore is heavily detailed, there are always things that have varying amounts of vagueness

feral lintel
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Vagueness usually for the DMs to fill in, aye?

jagged apex
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as said flavor text and the tenets, basically give you the core concept behind it and what makes it what it is

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both dms and players, especially if a player is wanting to make use of something that is otherwise a bit vague

quartz niche
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Okay so dhampir are just undead whose link to death gives them some traits of vampire?

feral lintel
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Dhampyrs, also known as daywalkers and sometimes dhampirs,[1] were living creatures who had inherited some of the tainted blood of vampires.[2]
Not undead, still humanoids

quartz niche
feral lintel
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Poised between the worlds of the living and the dead, dhampirs retain their grip on life yet are endlessly tested by vicious hungers. Their ties to the undead grant dhampirs a taste of a vampire’s deathless prowess in the form of increased speed, darkvision, and a life-draining bite.
Theyre related to vampies, but are not vampires

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And i also pulled out the wiki page for more info

iron saffron
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They're not undead. The playable race are Humanoids

subtle thicket
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Spent a good hour reading on hag lore, it’s pretty interesting

jagged apex
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and in some cases, horrific

subtle thicket
feral lintel
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... Anyway, is there a way for people from Eberron or other planes to go from one plane to another?

fathom wagon
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Blue Veil spell

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Blue? Is that the color?

dusky quail
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The notion that a paladin that serves a darker entity becomes an oathbreaker seems iffy tbh. You can still uphold the tenets of the Oath of Conquest while serving an "evil" entity tbh.

modest badger
# feral lintel ... Anyway, is there a way for people from Eberron or other planes to go from on...

Eberron is meant to be rather closed off and very hard to reach. Dreams of the blue viel could work, but you'd still need something from the other place first which is the challenge.

Keith Baker, the writer of Eberron, does give suggestions for DMs on how to open Eberron up more to other setting travel (like spelljamming) but in general official lore, it's very hard to reach eberron.

In Eberron Rising from the Last War, page 232 'Eberron and the Multiverse' it also touches upon this:

It is theoretically possible to travel between Eberron and other worlds in the multiverse by means of the Deep Ethereal or various spells designed for planar travel, but the cosmology of Eberron is specifically designed to prevent such travel, to keep the world hidden away from the meddling of gods, celestials, and fiends from beyond.

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In your campaign, you might decide that the barrier formed by **the Ring of Siberys is intact, and contact between Eberron and the worlds and planes beyond its cosmology is impossible. This is the default assumption of this book. **On the other hand, you might want to incorporate elements from other realms. Perhaps you want to use a published adventure that involves Tiamat or the forces of the Abyss meddling in the affairs of the world. In such a case, it could be that the protection offered by the Ring of Siberys has begun to fail.

feral lintel
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Ok, thanks Elgate!

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Yeah, i knew Eberron was pretty closed off, but wasnt sure how closed off

jagged apex
unkempt merlin
tawny osprey
sharp owl
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Eberron is a plane that exists within the Deep Ethereal
Referring to Eberron as a plane (same as referring to Toril or Oerth or Krynn as a plane) is saying "This specific pocket of the material plane has it's own name; Eberron"

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Planes can also be planets

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They can also be boundless expanses, or islands floating in mist, or an endless battlefield

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Often to avoid confusion, locations like Eberron, Toril, and Krynn are referred to as worlds

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It's confusing terminology for sure, but that's what you get with a 50 year old game that comes with 50 years of lore

tawny osprey
sharp owl
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Kinda, yeah

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Like I said, confusing

tawny osprey
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"Eberron was a planet somewhere deep in the Ethereal plane with its own unique cosmology."

"Eberron was a part of the Great Wheel cosmology and the overall multiverse, being situated in the Deep Ethereal. However, there it lay at the center of its own material plane and its very own cosmology of other planes that orbited it and had profound effects upon it."

both sections referring to "Eberron: Rising from the Last War"

sharp owl
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There's the world of Eberron, which is the planet (that just describes it shape) of Eberron that exists within the plane of Eberron (the specific pocket of the material plane the world that is a planet exists in)

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Yeah, there are planes connected to Eberron and only Eberron

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They're not really demiplanes because they are full planes themselves, but they're only accessible from Eberron

tawny osprey
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If you say so. I admit I'm happy with my little sword coast and Faerun so I dont have to deal with this cosmology mess that much

sharp owl
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It's also important to note that the various cosmological models (great tree, world tree etc) are just ways of visualising the same metaphysical, non-spaceial thing

torn kraken
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Is there a place, other then the forgotten realms wiki, where i can find lore about the early dragons/Feywilds/early elves and their quarrels in a centralised/chronological order?

clever path
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for Fearun? that's genuinely the place to look

torn kraken
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Ok, thanks

tawny osprey
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I'd say the forgotten realms wiki is your best bet, it has a decently organized collection of information with generally proper references. What else do you need?

jagged apex
# fathom wagon Plane Shift

far as i know plane shift would not work, as it is still part of the prime material plane, only in earlier versions of some cosmologies was it believed that settings had their own material planes, and presumably this may be one reason the spell "Dream of the Blue Veil" would have been created for such a purpose https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Prime_Material_plane#Cosmography , as plane shift specifically says a "different plane of existence" so i doubt you could go from one part of the prime to the other, maybe in those older cosmologies, but even then it seems iffy

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to my knowledge for a while now it has been confirmed or at least assumed even in universe that there is a single prime material plane, the various settings being in different parts of it, with some exceptions perhaps

jagged apex
torn kraken
tawny osprey
tawny osprey
strange rose
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sure thing, I really like the maps he's made showing the early elven kingdoms and how the landmasses of Toril have changed over time

torn kraken
tawny osprey
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to be fair though, it always begs the question how much of this will ever be of relevance for your average advernturer joe, who barely knows lands beyond the reach between neverwinter and deepwater, perhaps. Most people die in this harsh world before they learn about these intricate historical events. Same thing with the complex structure of planets and planes and what not.

but obviously its cool to know if one is curious about it. Or if you are crazy enough to play a homebrewed campaign in these ancient times

strange rose
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the history of the dragons, giants, and elves is all still fairly relevant in the modern Realms

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whether it will be in any given campaign is another story, of course

torn kraken
jagged apex
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though is worth noting the history of elves, giants, and dragons can vary between worlds, biggest example of how different they can be i can think of is their histories in eberron, very different from those of the forgotten realms

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though to my knowledge the earliest interactions between dragons and elves on toril was between the dragons and the dark elves of Ilythiir, prior to that far as i know the elves that did travel to toril were often avoiding dragons entirely and don't know of any interactions or history between them and the giants

strange rose
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yup, but the first reason behind the Fey spurring on elven immigration to Toril was in order to undermine draconic rule, which then culminated 2,000 years after the founding of Ilythiir with the Dracorage mythal

torn kraken
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But i feel like it's a bit weird, as the Elves were used as you mentioned to overthrow draconic rule

jagged apex
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seems like you may misunderstand a few things, druids and fey don't really have any inherent connection, at least not to my knowledge

iron saffron
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Nature =/= feywild

jagged apex
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the fey ancestry thing is more so meaning they are descended from fey, but are not fey themselves

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yeah, just cuz the feywild has nature in abundance, does not mean it and nature go hand in hand in all other cases, you still have nature on it's own in places like the prime material plane

torn kraken
jagged apex
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that is cuz dryads and some other fey beings sometimes have a connection to nature or some aspect of nature itself, independantly

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such as dryads are the manifestations of the souls of sorts for the trees they are bound to

iron saffron
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Again, nature isn't equal to the Feywild/fey, and vice-versa.

jagged apex
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is more so both groups just have a shared interest in protecting nature and or the land

iron saffron
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There are volcanos in the Material Plane and in layers of Hell. It doesn't mean there's a correlation between the two planes because volcanoes exist in both places.

jagged apex
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at least as far as alliances between dryads, druids, and some other fey

torn kraken
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I see both your comments, pointing out the same. Thank you for helping me get things in the right perspective

graceful steppe
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if u had to associate each of the most worshipped gods of the forgotten realms to a western zodiac sign, what would they be

clever path
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Ehhhh. I simply wouldn’t. Not sure there’s a clean 12 of the same caliber of ‘most worshipped’ and Fearun gods don’t really even fit into the astrology nerd zodiac traits very cleanly

graceful steppe
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ah ok i see

sharp owl
graceful steppe
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complicated

languid grail
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In the new book of many things dnd has its own zodiac. Chapter 13

sharp owl
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That's not lore though, it's recommendations and advice for incorporating zodiacs into your game

jagged apex
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and many of them do have relationships of sorts to major faerunian gods such as Selan and Selune, well only Selan has such a connection, at least out of the ones with constellations named after them

grim siren
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Faerun has constellations too. One moment.

jagged apex
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yes, but to my knowledge the majority of those are not related to or associated with any god

iron saffron
jagged apex
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but given the info on Zakharan constellations, it would seem their pantheon out of any existing one would lend themself better to the idea of a zodiac pantheon sort of thing

grim siren
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**Mystra’s Star Circle **(all year). North is marked by an awesome circle of large, bright stars with utter darkness between them, which is known to most folk today as Mystra’s Star Circle (her floating Castle of Night, in childrens’ fairytales, is said to float in the center of the darkness). Due north is marked by the brightest “Brow Star,” called Alagairtha by the Bedine, after a proud Bedine sorceress who is said to have challenged the gods long, long ago, and been imprisoned in the heavens as a punishment: to preserve her breathtaking beauty, but keep her forever from men). Other folk in the Realms call this constellation the Crown of the North, or just the “Cold Crown.” People born under these stars (those who fall in the gaps between the other contellations) are said to be inquisitive, with a strong ability to learn. Those who pursue the academics, arts, and magic are said to be linked to these stars.

jagged apex
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only thing that throws me off about it is it says there are 12 but each time i count the ones listed i only count 11

grim siren
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Amaunator’s Belt (Summer). This line of six yellow-white stars appears high in the sky in the far north during summer. When Amaunator was thought dead, it was said to be the sword belt he failed to buckle in his haste to go to the battle in which he died. People born under these stars are said to be brave but rash.

**The Unicorn (Autumn). **This constellation marks the end of summer. It is made of a number of bright stars and thought to make a horse head with a point for the tip of a unicorn’s horn. It has many different names. The elves call it Correlian and think of it as Correlon Larethian’s mount. Many humans of the North call it Mielikki and see it as a symbol of that goddess. Others name it Eachthighern, the mysterious lord of unicorns and pegasi. Folk born under this constellation are said to possess quiet strength and to be good at sensing people’s emotions and changes in the weather. The Gate (Autumn). Called Esetar by the elves, this constellation is thought by many to be the celestial gate from which Dendar, the Night Serpent, with someday emerge to devour the world. The people of Chult believe Dendar will emerge from beneath mountain in their jungle land and they instead call it the Cage and think of it as a prison in which the gods hurl the most evil souls. It appears as a rectangle formed from lines of dim stars. People born under this constellation are thought to be patient, deep thinkers who are able to have prescient dreams.

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Other gods and associated constellations

Elfmaid’s Tears (Winter). Sehaine Moonbow
The Frostqueen’s Throne (Winter). Auril
The Gate (Autumn). Dendar
Shard of Selûne (Autumn). Selûne

modest badger
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I think one issue here is that we're assuming what Cloter wants and it might not be a fantasy zodiac.
As Davyd said if wanting to specifically find gods associated with the western zodiac, that'd be beyond the scope of this channel's official lore, and more figuring out exactly what elements of those zodiacs you want to focus on and why you need specific gods for them (and that with the numerous gods available in FR, it is no small task to narrow them down to just 12 for this).

But at the same time, please do continue discussing D&D astrology. I've used some of these in my games too. Greyhawk has fan made ones, and Faerun has a few constellations, and spelljammer touches upon them as well (and in fact constellations can even be creatures in old spelljammer, that the entire constellation could animate if something called on it to do so).

Actually.. I need to look into 5e spelljammer now and how stars and constellations are handled, now they aren't simply gems or holes in the crystalsphere's walls.

grim siren
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What I love about the Faerun stars in the style guide is they give you boons or plot hooks for being born under them.

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Nothing mechanical but certainly stuff to help decide character traits.

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People born under Lavarandar’s Lantern (Spring) are said to be compassionate of others, but keep a stalwart demeanor when facing their own problems. Some clerics and people who put others ahead of themselves can be linked to these stars.

jagged apex
# modest badger I think one issue here is that we're assuming what Cloter wants and it might not...

far as i could find or tell, stars are not really touched on in the 5e spelljammer books we currently have, though you could extrapolate from some creature's lore entries, such as the solar dragons, assuming that like in our world we are counting suns as stars, and any creatures with star in their name seems that is mainly cus of their space/cosmic nature in relation to wildspace and the related aspects that make up 5e spelljamming

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so far as i know that is one of those aspects of the current continuity's version of spelljamming we simply got no info on it seems, at least not directly for the time being

unkempt merlin
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Stars themselves work like you would expect a star in a solar system to work. They are at the centers of them

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What that means for the night skies of planets (and effects on constellations) and the like is a different question

iron saffron
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Greyspace is the one exception -- Oerth is in the centre of the system while its sun, Liga, is the third celestial body from Oerth (this is a nod to the old concept of Earth's solar system where the Earth was at the centre and the Sun orbitted the Earth).
https://spelljammer.fandom.com/wiki/Greyspace

unkempt merlin
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Yea i guess it would've been more accurate to say "the stars are within the systems" for that

iron saffron
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BTW, I wasn't being pedantic but rather just added a bit of trivia.

strange rose
feral lintel
upbeat sapphire
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any owlin lore thats too important to miss?

jagged apex
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if there is, it would be an mtg lore thing

grim siren
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Nope All owlin lore is in strixhaven as Strixhaven lore was mostly written for the strixhaven book

jagged apex
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and given it is an adaptation of part of the mtg multiverse, any other lore would likely be found in MTG lore and the like

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as we have 0 indication they exist anywhere in the multiverse of dnd and only exist in the mtg multiverse

thorny phoenix
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What is general knowledge about Tiamat on Oerth (Greyhawk) among people? Do any of her acts still resonate there? What are her latest acts there?

jagged apex
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else far as i know her history on greyhawk is not really documented at least not as much as her history on toril

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where as her page in regards to the forgotten realms has a legit and somewhat lengthy history section

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and if they did take place in relation to one another, the nature of gods in dnd makes it hard to even speculate when these events in her myths and legends in greyhawk would have taken place in her own personal history, not to mention when in relation to things like her actions as Takhisis in the dragonlance setting

timid vale
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What kind of gods are there

iron saffron
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Which setting?

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In Appendix B of the free Basic Rules is a list of sample gods from different pantheons.

jagged apex
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not to mention that question can also be taken a few different ways

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plus some races, to my knowledge, like halflings have gods for pretty much everything though the term god might be a bit loose in those cases

jagged apex
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and in the case of the kuo-toa for example, that is limited and or defined by their twisted form of sanity that they are known for from the experiments illithid did on them, they believe in something enough it manifests a god based on that thought, though not as powerful as a normal god

modest badger
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In general Tiamat is not prominent in Greyhawk.
She and Bahamut did originate in Greyhawk supplements (1975 Greyhawk Supplement for 0D&D, and in the 1e MM), but pretty much all the prominent modules and articles on her were FR focused.

jagged apex
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yeah, toril and krynn seem to be their preferred battled grounds so to speak for their rivalry on the material plane, as they tend to have a lot more influence there than others of the dragon pantheon

eager bay
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Who’s the most powerful mortal in the FR?

iron saffron
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At least in Faerun it would probably be one of Mystra's Chosen, such as Elminster, Alustriel Silverhand, or Laeral Silverhand. There's also the arch lich, Szass Tam.

verbal bone
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And unbeknownst to him, Volothamp Geddarm.

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But not in any way he probably has knowledge of or access to.

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Would you call that powerful? Perhaps not. But great power resides in him nonetheless.

fierce furnace
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How warm is neverwinter? Is the river's heat widespread, or only in a small section of the city? how cold is the normal weather there?

iron saffron
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https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Neverwinter

Others, however, believed the city was named for its unusually warm climate and how its harbor remained ice-free in the winters

The Neverwinter River was heated by fire elementals living under the volcano before flowing through the forest and the city. It carried its supernatural warmth with it, keeping the river and harbor from freezing up in winter and the gardens green year-round. The heat given off by the river created a permanent warm climate in the immediate area

fierce furnace
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I get that part, I'm just wondering how immediate "immediate" is

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trying to come up with a stylish but practical outfit for my neverwinterian (?) PC and got really sidetracked

verbal bone
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I’d say within a few miles of the city. If the gardens are green year round, that doesn’t just mean those by the river.

fierce furnace
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yeah, that's what I was thinking

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seems like my original outfit idea would only really work for within that area then, guess I'll have to give him a coat on his foreign travels

jagged apex
jagged apex
grim siren
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Volo is one of Mystra's Weave Anchors. He has power.

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If he knows how to tap into it, is another question.

jagged apex
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from what i recall much of the benefits of being a weave anchor are just passive benefits, not really something that would allow for a great amount of power

thorny phoenix
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Do eladrins and the Summer Court worship any gods or does Titania play this role?

verbal bone
jagged apex
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assuming you meant the 5e fey eladrin, their patron deity is still Corellon, but otherwise we don't have any other info regarding them and gods to my knowledge

jagged apex
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most of it's benefits are to the weave itself and by extension mystra, and the wording makes it so while they had a tendency to escape death against the odds just makes it more likely by definition, not absolute or a consistant thing one could rely on

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and not to mention even if he did somehow have a power boost from it, he has 0 clue that he even is one, let alone anything about being a weave anchor may or may not allow him to do

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honestly when it comes to most powerful mortal in the forgotten realms, at least in terms of magic, to my understanding Elminster is generally agreed apon as being the greatest mage and most powerful in the realms, especially out of those who have not resort to undeath

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he is kind of like superman or captain America in that regard, his name carries a great deal of weight and respect with it, plus being the favored chosen out of mystra's chosen, at least according to the forgotten realms wiki probably helps lend credit to the idea

tropic drum
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Luskan is greatly weakened and diminished currently, right?

jagged apex
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last time it seems to have appeared or been touched on was in one of R.A. Salvador's novels

tropic drum
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I see.

shrewd bobcat
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Are Satyrs still considered an all Male race?

iron saffron
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I don't think they have since 1E.

jade quest
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Does anyone have any good information on the Beastlands? Specifically the area around Tirumala?

shrewd bobcat
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So I'm just trying to find lore on it stating it as a fact

iron saffron
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Then that's your answer. I don't if 5E has changed that. The FR wiki on satyr reproduction was from 2E.

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Remember that D&D is loosely based on real-world mythology and in Greek mythology satyrs were all male.

shrewd bobcat
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Guess that's enough

modest badger
# shrewd bobcat Are Satyrs still considered an all Male race?

In 5e no. Satyr as a playable race appear in Theros, where they are not gender locked. They also appear in MPMM where they are setting neutral and still not gender locked.
The FR wiki states they are only male as that is the lore that has been stated previously in FR and the wiki editors do not consider MPMM to over ride this lore.

jagged apex
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which is fair, given it is ment to not be any one specific setting, let alone the forgotten realms

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so is likely fair to say that whether or not they are an all male race is more so setting dependent, given MPMM indicates that both genders exists, even if not in equal number of settings, within the entire dnd multiverse, since as Elgate said, it does not depict them as mono gendered

jagged apex
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if you need additional info or context, do remember to check the cited sources as those could provide more than they have documented on the wiki even if it still gets the same general point across

serene crater
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quick question, but aside from Hazlan, is there any other domains of dread that have been technically formed from the forgottem realms?

crude rose
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I just find the concept of the Giff so funny, a space hippo with a gun

iron saffron
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Okay, do you have lore questions about them?

jagged apex
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though if i had to guess there is probably like one or two possibly

jagged apex
serene crater
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ah, alrighty

feral lintel
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Theros depicts them as able to be both male and female (theres a pic of a female satyr headlocking a dude while holding a chalice)

jagged apex
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that, outside of the example you gave, was already mentioned

drowsy wraith
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what do we know about the other continents on Toril?

iron saffron
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Faerun is a continent.
Toril is the planet that Faerun is on.

drowsy wraith
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Thanks

solid lynx
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Do we know who made the ring of Arleosa Starhenge (owner of the Stag-horned dragon in Amphail Faerun setting ) ?
(Sorry for the specificity of the question)

dense pendant
dense pendant
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It is very slim, but every maiden who becomes a Stag Lass ends up with a ring. It seems this ring is ceremonial, but grants them access to a one time favor of the church of Mielikki. The ring of Starhenge however seems to be the original ring of Daerantree. The nymphs are a relation towards Mielikki. It could be the ring was bestowed upon Daerantree from Mielikki. There are even rumours Daerantree was actually Mielikki.
But again, this is just my mind interpreting the info at hand, I have no actual source.

jagged apex
# solid lynx Do we know who made the ring of Arleosa Starhenge (owner of the Stag-horned drag...

faerun is not really a setting, it is the main continent on the world of toril in the forgotten realms setting does not seem to mention itself but the info about saying the name of the creator is cited as being from storm king's thunder, so presumably if anywhere it might be found there, else ed greenwood may know as he is the creator of the forgotten realms setting https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Arleosa_Starhenge#Possessions

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does not seem even to have a name like most magical items would normally have of some sort

near musk
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Why the longest living creature in dnd that not immortal or using stuff like the asteral sea to live longer?

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I’m guessing it’s probably dragon but was curious if anything else beats them

sharp owl
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Are you asking what creatures have the longest natural lifespans that aren't immortal?

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And what do you mean by immortal? Can't be killed? Won't die of old age?

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Dragons arguably don't die of old age, so if that counts as immortal they'd be discounted, otherwise they "win"

near musk
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Like no clone spells or potion of longevity and such

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Yeah immortal as in can’t die by old age

summer latch
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Do the Emerald Enclave and Order of the Gautlet have any special assets or tools that the wield to further their cause? Running a campaign where the Kraken Society has infiltrated the Five Factions but having trouble coming up with what they would get out of EE/OotG outside of knowledge of nature/gods

iron saffron
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https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Emerald_Enclave#Tactics

The Emerald Enclave had a well-established pattern of action when dealing with those violating nature. Firstly, the Enclave issued a simple warning to those deemed guilty. If the warning was ignored, the Emerald Enclave acted swiftly and decisively, stopping the wrongdoers by any means

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Order_of_the_Gauntlet#Tactics

The order was clear on its methods of operation, and would never preemptively attack an opponent. They forewent the approval of local leadership when striking against evil. They struck their foes fast and hard, seeking decisive victories. They would never punish someone who had not committed an evil act nor those who merely expressed immoral thoughts

jagged apex
jagged apex
final gale
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Kobold lore is inspiring, collectivism and unity with emphasis on finding work that's fulfilling, humans should be a little more like kobolds

pale stump
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Lolthian Drow might genuinely be the most terrifying thing in D&D ngl

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like, their culture and practices are just genuinely horrifying, more than any other fantasy race I can remember, but most of it isn't in a useless evil for the sake of evil kinda way, it's all about being terrifically efficient

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and the sheer number of items, spells, etc through the editions they've developed, how almost every common soldier in their forces has magic items that you'd usually find on legendary monsters, as well as how high the concentration of really, really high level folks in their cities whenever I read lore about them, dozens upon dozens of people who in any other place would probably be the legendary heroes and villains of entire regions...

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they might actually be the most successful (by some definitions of success) major race in D&D lore?

iron saffron
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Ever since the drow were introduced in 1E Fiend Folio, almost all enemy drow had magic items. As a gameplay mechanic, this was to even the playing field against the PCs but the gameplay mechanic balance was the handwave that the magic items were only magical in the Underdark due to some mysterious radiation and the magic items would essentially dissolve when taken out of the Underdark to the surface and exposed to sunlight.

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Also, remember that 1E and 2E AD&D levelling is very different from 5E — there was no level cap (although non-human races had level caps), so it wasn't uncommon to see characters with character levels of 20+.

pale stump
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yeah, ik the lore, they managed to find a way to use faerzress to make powerful magic items on a pretty much industrial scale, but that dissolve if exposed to sunlight

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which is still terrifying

iron saffron
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It's a different gameplay balance with the older editions that wouldn't make someone blink at the power levels and magic items of that edition.

pale stump
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of course, these statblocks were never meant to represent the common soldier or anything

iron saffron
pale stump
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but still, the fact that they have MULTIPLE of these in every city...

iron saffron
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Drow cities aren't for the weak.

pale stump
pale stump
clever path
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Here’s a lore question. Was it ever at any point explained why only drow crafted magic items would lose their magic if exposed to too much continuous sunlight but this never seems to be the case for magic items made by any other underdark native race? Like druegar or deep gnomes?

iron saffron
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Remember that the drow were created first and foremost to be antagonist. So it's not surprising they're tough enemies.

pale stump
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as I mentioned earlier, they found a way to use faerzress (the magical radiation that exists through the underdark) to produce high power magic items on a massive scale

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which is why, even in 5e MM, a priestess has +3 armor, a common soldier has +1 weapons and armor, etc

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but that's the drawback

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it dissolves when taken out of the underdark and exposed to the light of the sun

clever path
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For 1 continuous hour* which I think is the constant requirement even across editions if I recall right

pale stump
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I don't think I've ever read anything about duergar and svirfenblin discovering and using the same method

clever path
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Drizzt’s gear took a while to dissolve at first and even his noble house psionics faded over a few days iirc in the books

pale stump
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but the few they do have don't have this weakness

pale stump
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not sure what's the lore reason for it tho

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it's probably explained in the book and I forgot lol

clever path
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Well I do know Drizzt very specifically had extra innate casting for being from a noble house like levitate but I’m pretty sure the generic stuff is still available to him (the darkness spell) but I didn’t read the entire drizzt series

iron saffron
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Drow's innate spellcasting were tiered based on their levels.

clever path
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I just know 3.5 drow race didn’t have levitate and drizzt books were written during 3.5 times so I assumed it was a noble family exclusive

iron saffron
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Drizzt books started back in 1E. He first appeared in The Crystal Shard, which was published in 1988.

jagged apex
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as i recall drizzt was not even ment to be the protagonist, he was initially created as a side kick and things quickly evolved from there with Savlador more or less fleshing out the drow in the realms from near scratch into an actual people closer to what we know today

jagged apex
grim siren
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Yes Wulfgar was the intended protagonist is but Salvatore has stated that that idea ended basically by chapter 2 of Crystal Shard.

jagged apex
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honestly, drizzt is the more interesting character, cuz how basically prior his people were basically just something to be murdered, and pure evil, but he not only disproves that but allowed people to see that just like any other race, the drow are still people

grim siren
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Which while he popularized. Good dark elves were allowed before him within the game.

iron saffron
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Ed Greenwood created Eilistraee to be a counterbalance to her mother.

jagged apex
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true, though i imagine at the time the majority of people acted like they were not a thing cuz there were likely so few known ones prior

iron saffron
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I'm disappointed that R.A. Salvatore avoided acknowledging Eilistraee's existence to keep Drizzt "special"

jagged apex
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honestly, i don't think it would have taken away from drizzt's specialness

iron saffron
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Drizzt: "I'm the only CG drow."
Eilistraee followers: "Um, hello..."

jagged apex
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if anything i imagine knowing of Eilistraee, even if not willing to commit to her faith, could still greatly help him, especially with his mental health i'd imagine, since Eilistraee and by extension her faith have been all about countering lolth's twisted influence and helping those who don't wanna live their life in her messed up example

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like i bet it would do wonders for his mental health to know that he is not alone and that there might be more hope for his people than he might otherwise think

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if i am not mistaken, Eilistraee unlike some other gods, likely would not expect drizzt to devote himself to her, which i think might have been what caused him to stop worshiping Mielikki in the past, going off of pure memory here, so i could very well be wrong

modest badger
# clever path Here’s a lore question. Was it ever at any point explained why only drow crafted...

In 1e sunlight faded them quicker, but the issue was simply being away from the natural radiations of their homeland. in FR this was Faerzress, in GH it was Lacofcite and Teomkite). In 1e these radiations were specifically in the Vault of the Drow and that drow culture, so it's possible even being elsewhere in the underdark could fade them.
1e, Unearthed Arcana:

The 50% magic resistance possessed by NPC dark elves is likewise not a property of player characters, who have abandoned their homeland; it is likely that this power is the result of extended dabbling in the dark arts as well as the effects of their environment. Once having made the decision to embark upon an adventuring career, a drow player character can never regain this magic resistance short of the use of wish spells or similar magics, but can still rise in power and dominate fellow dark elves

1e, G3: Hall of the Fire Giant King (First appearance):

Special note regarding drow cloaks, armor and weapons: All of these items have special properties, although none of them radiate any magic. The items are made under the conditions particular to the strange homeland of the drow, for this place has unknown radiations which impart special properties to these (items). When such items are exposed to direct sunlight a rotting process sets in. This process is absolutely irreversible, and within 2 weeks cloaks will fall to shreds, while armour and weapons become pitted and unusable. If items are not exposed to sunlight they will retain their magical properties for 31-50 days before losing them, and if they are exposed to the radiation of the drow homeland 30 or so days, they will remain potent.

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Vault of the Drow:

The small "star" nodes glow in radiant hues of mauve, lake, violet, puce, lilac, and deep blue. The large "moon" of tumkeoite casts beams of shimmering amethyst which touch the crystalline formations with colors unknown to any other visual experience.
(...)
These growing things all thrive upon** the radiation **of the "stars" and "moon" above, or the fertilizers spread about for them by slaves and servants of the inhabitants of the Vault, the Dark Elves

quartz niche
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Hexblade is a weapon right?

jagged apex
last scaffold
jagged apex
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am assuming you mean he started writing drizzt's story before Eilistraee was introduced into the realms?

last scaffold
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Yes.

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Is what I was told.

jagged apex
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sounds reasonable, not sure if that is the case or not though

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as he more or less explained his writting proccess was very much akin to a discovery writer, so i don't see any reason for him to do something like intentionly ignore the existance of Eilistraee

strange rose
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Drizzt's debut was The Crystal Shard in 1988. Eilistraee was originally in Ed Greenwood's home campaign for I don't know how long, but first published in Drow of the Underdark (1991).

jagged apex
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so yeah, seems this could more than likely be the case and just not has felt her mention was right until fairly recently

reef rose
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I want to get into the forgotten realms more and was wondering if anyone knows a great order/list of essential lore to learn

strange rose
jagged apex
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honestly the only lore i feel is most essential, is the simple stuff that is nearly universal, like how the cosmos, planes, ect.. work and to understand that contrary to what some believe, dnd is NOT strictly medieval fantasy, is a pretty big misconception that can be a bit annoying to some who know that it isn't

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largely the rest you can learn along side your character by playing in published settings and adventures, assuming your dm does not modify it

strange rose
jagged apex
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i know, but most of those basics apply to the forogtten realms these days

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at least to my knowledge

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and i feel the part relating to the misconception especially applies since the forgotten realms is one of the settings that canonically has firearms

strange rose
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to understand a setting, you want to start at the exact opposite end of things than the planes and cosmos. How do regular people live their lives? Which people are the big movers and shakers and what do they want? This is what is most important to understand about a setting.

reef rose
last scaffold
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Gods/factions and organizations/Major cities and regions/Major events/Major characters

strange rose
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Gods do happen to be pretty important in the Realms, though less so in 5e than in prior editions.