tech-deals-discussion

[fleet marlin]

Mp34 2TB still $113. 👍

[azure pond]

for some scenarios sn770 worth it over mp34

if just gaming def mp34

[azure pond]

Opinions on this? $500 g7 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-odyssey-g7-27-led-curved-qhd-freesync-and-g-sync-compatible-monitor-with-hdr-displayport-hdmi-black/6404863.p?skuId=6404863

[cinder kiln]

m27qx is better

unless you want curved in which case it doesn't really get better than a G7

QLED stonks

[quasi pasture]

[molten halo]

Why are all the new interesting monitors 3billion dollars

[jolly inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-tales-capitalism-scrooge-thats-capitalism-gif-16461232

[thorny knot]

our economy 😂

or prolly bcos they're new

[molten halo]

But the tech in them is usually like years old, and originally only implemented in larger screens

[jolly inlet]

Still waiting on a HDR10 screen that'll fit on my desk

[molten halo]

[stoic crest]

999

holy hell

[molten halo]

Same price as a last gen tv with less features but more hz!

Eh you can pick up a lg c1 4k oled 120 hz open box from Best Buy for $600

[turbid locust]

too big though

[loud sandal]

@high radish I wonder if I can do some DIY to my case to make a 420 fit

[high radish]

just get bigger case lol

[loud sandal]

I have 011 it's pretty big

[high radish]

I think 420mm can fit in it

[high radish]

[loud sandal]

[high radish]

[cloud hornet]

I mean, could maybe fit it in diagonally... Just need to not have a GPU or mobo is all.

[high radish]

[loud sandal]

Hay what am I supposed to power the pc with then

[cloud hornet]

An ATtiny84

https://www.microchip.com/content/dam/mchp/mrt-dam/ic-images/pdip/14-lead-d2x/ATtiny84-D2X-Regular.jpg

[loud sandal]

Bruh what

[azure pond]

Are gen 5 ssds going to be on the market soon? There's been so many sales on ssds, especially high end ones like the sn850x s70, and p41

[grand orbit]

I doubt personally

Or at least ones that are actually faster than gen 4

[high radish]

12gbps ssds wen

[dry sluice]

Heh @azure pond I bought the motherboard you listed in Tech Deals.

The MSI z690 A Pro

[azure pond]

Yes

[dry sluice]

It wouldn't bios flash.

[azure pond]

Did you rename the file?

[dry sluice]

Yep

I did everything

[azure pond]

msi.ROM I believe

[dry sluice]

with 7 drives

[azure pond]

Case sensitive

That's unfortunate, I'm sorry to hear

[dry sluice]

It was MSI.ROM in everything I saw

[azure pond]

When I did it I'm pretty sure it was msi.ROM but I could be remembering wrong

[dry sluice]

I am looking at the manual printout right now.

[azure pond]

I'm assuming cmos battery is in, psu is turned on with everything plugged in?

[dry sluice]

yeah I did all that

I beat my head against a rock for 2 days

[azure pond]

Hm, and do any lights come on when you press the bios flash button?

And I'm assuming you have the USB in the USB slot next to the button

[dry sluice]

Yeah it blinked like 7 times did a quick 8 went blank and stayed solid

Yep

[azure pond]

That sounds like it worked

[dry sluice]

No it should take 5-8 minutes to flash

blinking

[azure pond]

Took me 2 minutes

[dry sluice]

this just stayed solid

This was 10 seconds

[azure pond]

Ah

Weird

Maybe ask in #cpus-mobo-and-memory someone might have an idea

[dry sluice]

yeah if it were 2 or 3 min blinking I would have been thrilled

[azure pond]

Have you tried booting normally btw?

[dry sluice]

I put the entire thing together

it didn't even power on

[azure pond]

Hm

I'm sorry I'm not sure, id def try asking in #cpus-mobo-and-memory though

And im pretty sure you could just RMA the board through msi if it is faulty

[dry sluice]

I will, I do have an RMA out though, I am gonna send it back tomorrow.

[azure pond]

Ah thats good

[dry sluice]

I just saw the post in deals and thought it was funny

[azure pond]

Sorry you had a bad experience with it

I got mine off amazon warehouse for the same price and had no issues

Probably just a faulty board, unfortunately happens sometimes

[dry sluice]

I have a 13th gen chip so I felt I needed to do that first

[azure pond]

Yeah, I'm running a 13600k

[dry sluice]

same

[azure pond]

If you've a K chip, just smthn to check for when you get it working, run a multi core bench and keep an eye on Temps and wattage/voltage

It was feeding my 13600k like 1.48v and 240w iirc

Which is way too much, hitting 100c under a 280mm aio, I set the voltage to 1.32v manually and it fixed it

[dry sluice]

I think it can run at 1.2

[azure pond]

Could, but would likely lose a good bit of performance

[dry sluice]

Heh I have a 280mm AIO too. Cooler Master 280 mirror

[azure pond]

I've the clc 280, got it for $60

[dry sluice]

Got a giant rebate off

[azure pond]

Replaced the fans with p14s

[dry sluice]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144582?Item=N82E16813144582

I feel like God is trying to test me.....

[azure pond]

Do you care about overclocking?

[dry sluice]

Yeah I am gonna try it

I heard that chip can get 5.3 easy

[azure pond]

Then yeah not many great options new

Cheapest decent z690 new is $160

And its worse than the a pro

[dry sluice]

That an asrock?

[azure pond]

Pro rs, yeah

[dry sluice]

I was looking at the Gigabyte Gaming X

it is $199

right now

[azure pond]

Pretty overpriced

At that point https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8ncG3C/gigabyte-z790-ud-ac-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-ud-ac

There's also a $130 b760 thats more than fine with a 13600k, just no ocing

[dry sluice]

Yeah I want options.

Oh that one is DDR5

[azure pond]

Oh mb

[dry sluice]

yeah comparing it to the Gaming X

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-gaming-x-ddr4/p/N82E16813145347?Description=GIGABYTE Z690 Gaming X&cm_re=GIGABYTE_Z690 Gaming X-_-13-145-347-_-Product&quicklink=true

you would have to flash the gaming x of course

[azure pond]

It's just overpriced though, I wouldn't spend more than $150 on most z690s now

[dry sluice]

Yeah I don't need to rush it. I am using my 10700f currently. I have just been finding parts on deals.

I got the Radiator for $20 after rebate, I got a case for my old stuff for $10 on an NZXT price mistake

I got my 13600k for $250

Thought I was gonna hit on that motherboard

[azure pond]

Lemme find my pcpartpicker list

Nvm I've no clue where it is

But I got everything in my pc on sale except the gpu

The gpus from a pre built I bought in the pandemic, and I had to replace most of the parts

I essentially ended up paying $950 for a 3060 ti, it still hurts two years later

[dry sluice]

I have my 3080 from my current system I will use. I found a used 2060 for $130 I am using in my build from my old stuff.

My NZXT case is nice, but I am gonna go with my old tank for my new build.

[azure pond]

What's the case?

A flow variant I hope

Most nzxt cases are ovens, especially the elite variants

[dry sluice]

The NZXT is an oven one, but I am just using it for my old stuff.

with the 2060

[azure pond]

What's the case you're going to use?

Just curious

[dry sluice]

My Corsair Carbide 500r

[azure pond]

Is that with the solid front?

[dry sluice]

No it has airflow everywhere

[azure pond]

Oh nvm, found it

Looks decent enough

Does it support a 280mm though?

[dry sluice]

Yeah it will fit

[azure pond]

Cool

I've a white p360a, I got it for $70 on sale

[azure pond]

Would've been $50 but the rebate was obnoxious asf so I didn't bother with it

[dry sluice]

The fans will fit, I gotta drill 4 new holes though

The screws for the second fan are slightly off

I will mount the radiator underneath

[azure pond]

Cool

[dry sluice]

have it suck air up

I figure 2 smaller fans in the front pulling in, my giant side fan

should be enough there, then have those two pulling up and the back one pushing out

[azure pond]

If I really wanted I could fit 2 more fans in my case but I really don't need to

[dry sluice]

I don't care about having the glass side more than my giant fan pulling in.

[azure pond]

My partner made me a really amazing valentines day card, im going to put it in my pc so I can see it through the glass panel

This will be the first time I care about having a glass side

[dry sluice]

heh

[sick spade]

I know the pain.

[dry sluice]

I wouldn't mind having one and I could actually mod it with a Dremel, but I like my giant fan.

Heh I played the market so bad on video cards

I made money during the crisis

I started with an RX580

I sold the RX580 for about $350. I bought a founders 3080 for $699. I found a FTW3 LHR 3080 for $800. I sold the founders 3080 to a miner for $2100

[sick spade]

👍 Always good to make a 💵 where you can.

[dry sluice]

While others whined I made it happen. 🙂

Sad crypto died before the 4000 series. I would have kept that chain going.

[sick spade]

But damn, $2100 for a 3080?

[dry sluice]

Yeah crazy huh

I couldn't believe it either, but if people were doing it.. Who am I to argue

[sick spade]

fair.

[dry sluice]

I think after the smoke cleared I made $300 $400ish

and a free card

[sick spade]

👍

[dry sluice]

Then I got a 2060 for my old build for $130. During crypto that thing was probably getting $500

[sick spade]

I see

[dry sluice]

Tempted to buy one of these crucial drives that are on sale everywhere

a There is a 1tb, a 2tb and a 4

I can get a 4tb Crucial MX500 for $227.99

[sick spade]

Is that a M.2 or standard SSD?

[dry sluice]

standard

[sick spade]

Either way pretty good.

[dry sluice]

I use a drive switcher so I am kinda not doing NVME anyway

[sick spade]

Got it.

I use almost exclusively NVME drives.

[dry sluice]

If these bastards would let me have a motherboard toggle like everything else I would be glad to do NVME

You can turn off SSD drives now, you can turn off every USB port one by one, you can tune your CPU and memory with a thousand settings, but let you turn off NVME drives... that is a bridge too far....

[sick spade]

I wonder if I should consider a PCIE 5.0 drive for my workstation and video editing/rendering tasks.

[dry sluice]

What is really odd is... Dell. Dell doesn't have a ton of settings, but on their laptops. You can have 2 NVME drives installed and I can turn both off or one of each.

I have 2 1tb ones in mine, it is great.

[light holly]

What use case do you need to turn 1 nvme or the other off in your laptop?

[waxen glacier]

hi does someone know if this : Patriot Signature 8GB 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Laptop Memory Model PSD38G16002S : is compatible with macbook pro mid2012

[jolly inlet]

Yes it should be

[pulsar fable]

War_Pig, you forgot to mention it's RGB

[waxen glacier]

does it change something ?

[pulsar fable]

No, but RGB looks cool, and is thus* usually more expensive

[waxen glacier]

hoo ok lol

[high radish]

ARGB yeah

[trim pier]

Best buy has 300$ 3070 FE's and i'm wondering if it's an upgrade or downgrade from a 6650xt

considering I have a decent bottle neck with my 13600k

[steel wren]

more like a sidegrade

you will effectively waste money on that

oh, no i read wrong

its an upgrade

still not that significant to spend 300usd

[solemn marten]

I'm in the market to buy a new GPU and a CPU I currently have a CPU: Intel i7-6700k | MOBO: ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII HERO LGA1151 | GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5 | Any suggestions to products to upgrade too based on price value. Use case is for gaming I just want to catch up a bit in generations.

[steel wren]

you will need a new mobo for an upgrade as well

how much is your budget?

[solemn marten]

Not sure if you're speaking to me or not @steel wren

[steel wren]

yeah to you 😛 how much are you going to spend on an upgrade?

also which psu and case do you have?

[solemn marten]

NZXT H440 STEEL Mid Tower Case | Budget: To throw a number which can be flexible $800 @steel wren

I have to check on the PSU but knowing I need a new MOBO I feel like that $800 will probably have to go up huh @steel wren

[steel wren]

gimme a min

[solemn marten]

Take your time. Thanks for the help.

[steel wren]

i will do something like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jxzjrD

there is no drive there btw

dunno if you are upgrading your drives as well

heres with 1tb nvme drive https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wxzjrD

50usd more

[solemn marten]

I have SSD and M.2 and NZXT liquid cooling @steel wren

[steel wren]

good for you, you can chop the cooler then and the nvme

[solemn marten]

I never really looked into the different between like i5 and i7 CPU's

[steel wren]

i7s and i9s have more cores

is more workload oriented

gaming usually hits 4 to 6 cores, thats why the i3s and i5s are more than enough for a gaming pc

at least from 10th gen and up

[quasi pasture]

thats pretty vague

[steel wren]

yeah, its a pretty resume

[quasi pasture]

[steel wren]

for a gaming pc an i7 or i9 are overkill

[solemn marten]

So the CPU upgrade is a must or I will be bottlenecked?

[steel wren]

from a 6th gen? yeah, a must

[solemn marten]

Ok so the i5-13400 compared to the i7-6700 the 13400 is what I should be paying attention too more.

[steel wren]

the gap is pretty big between them

[solemn marten]

I think I could shed the Ram also I'm looking up my current now I know it's 16GB but I forgot the speed.

[steel wren]

you can see it in the task manager

[solemn marten]

Currently running 2133 MHz

[steel wren]

well, that could work ofc

it will depend on your budget, if you want to same some, then you can repurpose your old ram as well

[solemn marten]

I got you. I'm just seeing what I can get together to be functional then make more upgrades here and there later.

I just don't want to have a bottleneck that wrecks the build value.

Can you speak on the Mobo situation as to why that is a must upgrade? @steel wren

[brisk sphinx]

A 6th gen intel mobo is incompatible with a 13th gen intel cpu

Different sockets

[solemn marten]

I see. Thanks @brisk sphinx

[steel wren]

6th gen uses an LGA 1151 socket, 13th gen uses an LGA 1700

[solemn marten]

I remember now I've only went from AMD to Intel never upgraded from Intel to higher generations so now I know.

Ok after scratching the Ram, PSU, Cooler do you think the jump from the RX 6650 XT to the 6700 XT is reasonable? @steel wren

[steel wren]

if you can find one below 400, yes ofc

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CCJp99/asrock-challenger-d-oc-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-video-card-rx6700xt-cld-12go this one is at 350

you can use the money saved to upgrade the gpu

[steel wren]

wait! scratching psu? which psu do you have?

you should use at least a 650w b-tier unit to be on the safe side

i went overboard to 750 cause the prices are similar between both

[solemn marten]

I have a 80+ Bronze but it's only 600w but I am pretty sure my cousin has one he can give me that is up there like 750w

[steel wren]

oh, ok

still, you should look for the model on that 750w one to know if you have a good unit or a bomb

bronze, gold, plat... etc are only efficiency ratings not quality ratings

just so you know 🙂

[solemn marten]

Thanks for letting me know I'm going to put in more research on that.

[steel wren]

we use this list for that, A-tier are almost a must for high end pcs, B-tiers are for mid/high gaming pcs, like the one you want https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[solemn marten]

In that phase of seeing what I can put together deciding if I want to go all out or not.

[steel wren]

C-tier are ok units, not great but not terrible either... everything below that is a no no

[dry sluice]

I torrent here and there to try stuff out and it is nice to do that on a drive that I am not doing my taxes and buying stuff on. It is convenient to have another drive for that (it is like having a whole other PC). I dunno why motherboard makers don't let you turn off NVMEs, it is something so simple given they have a thousand other advanced options.

[stoic crest]

it's weird to have such feature

since you could easily bring up boot menu and choose which drive to boot from there

[dry sluice]

Yeah but I don't want one drive seeing another drive in case you get something that wipes out one drive.

[stoic crest]

okay it's more convenient to be able to do that in some rare cases, but really, it's fine

[dry sluice]

It would also be handy in a business setting where you have your backup drive ready to go in case something happens to one, you could just turn on the other do a windows update and away you go.

Say you just had a hardware failure

[light bay]

Hardware fails are uncommon enough that taking out the failed drive wouldn't be a big hassle

Also typically in a hardware failure due to a drive, you need to replace the drive anyways

[dry sluice]

Regardless, it is stupid you can't turn off NVME ports like you can SATA and USB ports.

[light bay]

Iirc on MSI boards you're able to

[dry sluice]

Really? Where? I have looked a lot of bios videos

[light bay]

Idk I've used MSI boards before and feel like I've seen "nvme enable/disable" in bios somewhere

[dry sluice]

There is an NVME section, but no options other than diagnostics or speed selection.

SATA you can flat out hit disable

That is how a DELL laptop works.

The more modern bios it is a little prettier, but same settings

[torpid night]

@dry sluice what’s the issue? I’ve seen these BIOSes a lot, given that I work in IT

ah I see the issue. I would just get an external SSD (unless I’m not understanding correctly)

[frosty gate]

The five worst words any kid in the 90's wanted to hear: "Dude, you're getting a Dell"

[zenith lantern]

I wonder what that guy is up to now

[dry flume]

dell could never

[marsh sphinx]

https://pastebin.com/FCwMg6e6 my first build

[azure pond]

I don't trust that link

[turbid locust]

It's pastebin...

[azure pond]

Was scared it was an ip puller or smthn

Anyways, @marsh sphinx pcpartpicker.com exists and is much simpler

[marsh sphinx]

I did build there, but the prices are all in dollars

and some parts do not exist in my country

[loud sandal]

That's fine you don't have to use pcpartpicker

[marsh sphinx]

if I swap for intel 12th + DDR5 I'll have to sacrifice the GPU, going for a much older GTX 1660 or RX 5600

[azure pond]

Then don't go for ddr5, the 5600 is a great cpu

I would check the pricing on 6600xt, 6650xt, 6700, and 6700xt

If they're cheaper or same price as the 3060, go for that instead

[marsh sphinx]

RX 6600 is cheaper than RTX 3060, but 8GB vs 12GB for QHD and I heard that AMD is worse for editing and content creation

[azure pond]

Ah, yeah if you're doing editing and or content creation probably stick with nvidia

3060 ti sometimes is similarly priced to 3060, depending on country

[marsh sphinx]

it really doesn't seem a good trade off, go for i5-12400, DDR5 and then intel UHD to save on the external GPU (buy one later).

[grand orbit]

You can add custom parts and set custom prices also there's a country selector that has a good few countries

What country is it?

[grand orbit]

It's not

[light holly]

Is 12400 going to be good enough for editing and content creation?

Might drop to ddr4 and grab a 13600 for those e cores and bump on perf.

[marsh sphinx]

checked the pricing and currency conversion. It's more or less like this:
i5-12400 + DDR5 + GTX 1060
i7-12700 + DDR5 + UHD 770
more or less in the same range

[grand orbit]

What country?

[marsh sphinx]

Brazil

[grand orbit]

Also get ddr4

[light holly]

I'd drop the ddr5. Go with ddr4. Instead of a 12700, nab a 13600

[marsh sphinx]

not listed in that site

[stoic crest]

you don't need ddr5 on 12400

[grand orbit]

Are you getting a custom prebuilt or something?

[marsh sphinx]

yes

prebuilt no

[grand orbit]

Can you link some sites that you can buy off and let me know your budget i can have a look

[marsh sphinx]

checking the local stores, I can't buy everything from one because they either don't have all parts or some stores are cheaper for some parts

[grand orbit]

That's fine, if you can link them i can have a look?

[marsh sphinx]

I was using google and google has some misleading scriptions, such as listing DDR3600 and when I click, it's 2400.

The three most famous local stores are pichau.com.br terabyteshop.com.br and kabum.com.br

but RAM and SSD I was going for shopee

[steel wren]

ddr5 is overkill for a 12400... get a cheap ddr4 instead, you will not notice any difference in performance anyway

[marsh sphinx]

yep

I'm settling with Ryzen 5600 and MSI B550M VDH. After a lot of consideration, high end motherboards with X570 or those branded as gamer are going to be a waste. Low end, A520, are going to put a hard limit on expansion.

[grand orbit]

Sorry completely forgot to look but yeah ddr5 isn't needed and if the 5600 and it's motherboard is cheaper go for that

[marsh sphinx]

I'm almost done with my build. RTX 2060 12GB seems fine for QHD, not interested in 144hz display. The thing is, for just a bit more I can go for RTX 3060. Nvidia surely put the RTX 2060 12GB in a strange pricing point.

AMD's RX 6600 seems to be better for games, worse for editing and modelling

[jolly inlet]

3060 pretty much just has newer features and a minor performance boost of 5-10%

2060 12GB is definitely a black sheep

Launched about 9 months after the 3060 and everything

[marsh sphinx]

yep, RTX 2060 12GB is no no

I'm looking at RAM reviews. I really cannot afford Corsair Dominator

[jolly inlet]

Corsair is overpriced garbage anyway

[dry sluice]

Need some z690 presidents day dealz 🙂

Wonder if Newegg will run one

[jolly inlet]

Usually sales are for latest gen stuff unless it launched within the last 3 months.
I'd say decent odds there will be at least one good Z690 on sale.

[dry sluice]

They had this one for $199. Then it went back up. $175 I would have pulled the trigger. https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-aorus-z690-gaming-x-ddr4/p/N82E16813145347?Description=Gigabyte gaming z690&cm_re=Gigabyte_gaming z690-_-13-145-347-_-Product&quicklink=true

Dunno how much to trust a refurbished board. I would be all over this.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144582?Item=N82E16813144582

[stoic crest]

refurb is perfectly fine

it's just returns

[dry sluice]

Not the one I got at w00t.com 🙂

woot rather

[jolly inlet]

Personally I wouldn't go used/refurb on anything with that many tightly packed pins but you can take a video of opening the package and checking the pins before you try to use it. That way you have evidence if pins are bent so exchange/refund would be smoother.

[dry sluice]

The one I had was just stubborn, it didn't look like any pins were messed up and rather clean, it did have some hair on the io plate. It just refused to flash using bios flashback period and when I hooked it all up it refused to power on.

[grand orbit]

Get the cheapest kit for your capacity of 3200mhz cl16 or 3600mhz cl18

Ram brands really don't matter

[marsh sphinx]

I'm thinking about cheaper, slower DDR4 + overclock. Bad idea?

Kingston Predator RAM is 3600 cl17

[stoic crest]

3600cl17 is fine

[azure pond]

3600c17 is just 3600c18, but yes it's fine

[marsh sphinx]

is it?

[stoic crest]

it is

ram comes in many different dies so

there's always something in between

[marsh sphinx]

somebody sent me a link about samsung b-die being the best

[stoic crest]

that's only if you oc

and ocing ram takes a ton of time and effort

it matters next to none once you slap on xmp

getting an actually stable oc on ram is a pain in the butt

cause a bit flip can even not only crash the system, but corrupt the os

[azure pond]

it is, but not worth it on your budget

you would gain more performance with a cheaper ram kit like just a regular 3600c18 kit and spending the extra on your gpu

[marsh sphinx]

Thought about 2666 and overclocking it for ex

[azure pond]

no, go 3200c16 as minimum

[stoic crest]

it's not as easy as it seems

[steel wren]

unnecessary, 3200c16 is cheaper af

and easier to plug and play

same goes for 3600c18

anything in between is a pita

[marsh sphinx]

mmm.... was checking benchmarks and the difference in perf between 3200 e 3600 is very small. The difference becomes more significant at 4000.

[steel wren]

yup

3200c16 and 3600c18 are practically the same

both kits are cheap

if you want a bit more performance, you go either 4000c18 or 3600c16

but those cost a bit more

faster kits than that will give you a bit more performance for a lot more money AKA not worth

[azure pond]

with a 5600, do not go over 3800mhz

[steel wren]

sweet spot for am4 is 3600

exactly 3733, but at 3600 you are set. as bacca said above 3800 is unstable for the infinity clock

[marsh sphinx]

right, checking local stores. Team group is cheaper than Kingston Fury

3600 cl16 or cl18 should make what, 2fps of difference in some games?

[steel wren]

at most

i would get a 3600c18 kit, and call it a day

[marsh sphinx]

Kingston HyperX from China seems to be the best budget. Fury, Renegade, would cost 80% ~ 100% more for the same 16x2

[grand orbit]

If you're getting a non k intel cpu btw get 3200mhz also if it's a big increase in price don't bother with 3600mhz

[marsh sphinx]

Ryzen 5600.

[azure pond]

just 3600c18 then

cheapest kit you can find is fine pretty much

[marsh sphinx]

RTX 3060 12GB all "sold out" in my country. There are just a few left, either a bit pricy or costing a lot more for some reason

[fleet marlin]

Already checked on Ti model pricing?

[marsh sphinx]

yes

[slow sluice]

@quasi abyss the 980 pro isn't really in the same performance class as the sn850x, just FYI

[plucky crescent]

Is a 659 6950xt a worthy upgrade to a 2070S or should I wait longer?

[marsh sphinx]

PSU 550W vs 500W, is there a difference considering that my build is very far from 500W?

[plucky crescent]

probably depends on the manufacturer

some will say 550 because thats the max and some might say 500 to be conservative when it can hit 600

[cloud hornet]

Wattage is only one piece of the thousand piece puzzle of PSU specs. Need to compare specific PSU models to make a choice.

[marsh sphinx]

I'm going for thermaltake Smart 500W

[light holly]

OOF

[light holly]

If it's a Smart BM2 then it's a C-tier which I would try to avoid if you can. If it's a Smart SE or 80+, then I would avoid those at all costs.. unless you want the potential for your pc to catch fire which in turn can lead to burning your house down.

[light holly]

Look for a different PSU and cross reference it with this list to find yourself a B-tier PSU.

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[marsh sphinx]

NZXT C550 Bronze this one. Cheaper than thermaltake smart

[light holly]

still a C-tier. You should be able to find a B-tier around the same price.

a good PSU is just as important as any other component in your PC.

[marsh sphinx]

all A tier are expensive here

[light holly]

look for a b tier.

If c tier is that much cheaper than even b tier, try looking for a c tier on the psu list that's in gold font.

[marsh sphinx]

asus TUF 550b

[light holly]

That'll be a good one. B-tier. Nice.

[marsh sphinx]

jesus... every b tier PSU is out of stock

in here

found the Asus in a store that I never heard of

[light holly]

true, but same could be said for cpu or mobo xD

I guess I could say it's more important to choose a good one because the potential fire risk.

[marsh sphinx]

cooler master gold is the only one I can find

other than asus tuf

[light holly]

That'll be a good one.. depending which model gold, it will be b tier or a tier. Do you have a link?

[trim pier]

just bought myself the 670p

my mp34 and 670p gonna be chilling 😎

[jolly inlet]

You'll almost double your fps in some games. I did a similar move and that's what I got.

2070S to 3080 ti is night and day, and the 6950 XT is slightly better than my Nvidia in raster.

[plucky crescent]

Ye I’ve been mulling about it for a while but the deal made me dive

[marsh sphinx]

I'm going to do this: cut SSD from 1TB to 500GB e the difference is going to invested in a better PSU

[jolly inlet]

What country were you in? I didn't catch that part of the convo if you said

I've got a cheat sheet list on pcpp that'll tell me the cheapest unit of each tier/wattage

[marsh sphinx]

Brazil, all the entrey level PSUs are cheap but if they don't offer protection, high quality, then I can't take the risk

[jolly inlet]

Hmm, scratch that idea pcpp appears useless in south america

[marsh sphinx]

Corsair CV550 seems to be the cheapest it can get

[azure pond]

Cv550 is terrible

Anything C tier or higher is what I'd aim for from the list pinned in #cases-psu-and-cooling

[jolly inlet]

Yeah at this point I'd call a C tier unit ok to use, especially if you really only need 550W

[azure pond]

Cv550 is D tier though

The 650 and 750 are C tier

[marsh sphinx]

seems that I can find CX550 here

[azure pond]

Cx is decent

There's also some cheapish Thermaltake psus that are ok enough

Like bm2 and gx2 I think are the names

[jolly inlet]

Old tho, 2016

[azure pond]

Eh, still a fine platform for their use case

[jolly inlet]

Unless it's cx-m or cx-f then it's newer

[marsh sphinx]

then I'm going for cx550. the thermaltake bm2 and gx2 are more expensive

[jolly inlet]

Yeah it's solid B tier but might not stand up to modern GPU transient loads

Nothing to worry about unless you get a higher power GPU anyway

[loud sandal]

I want that ssd sn850x

[dry flume]

xpg pylon is a great cheap psu

[fleet marlin]

https://www.amazon.com/b/?&node=72731536011

[loud sandal]

[jolly inlet]

@umbral jetty You can shorten links by deleting everything after "?" like this: https://www.walmart.com/ip/seort/21784125

Just FYI

[marsh sphinx]

My PC is going to be Ryzen 5600 and RTX 3060. Do I need 3 fans? because some cheap cases here already have 3 fans

[stoic crest]

not really

but good to have

[marsh sphinx]

so it has been decided. A case without fans because then I can get better fans if needed

[loud sandal]

Why shorten we love links that take up the while screen it's pretty

[marsh sphinx]

RTX 3060 has 235mm. I was considering a case with a limit of 280mm, but I think I'll get one with a longer limit of 330mm just to be safer

[fair moon]

235 in a 280 is plenty

[marsh sphinx]

a smaller case may limit upgrades and cooling

[fair moon]

Unless you're planning for a front mounted radiator I guess

[marsh sphinx]

I think I'll buy the WD blue SSD. Better than the green one and cheaper than Samsung or Kingstons
WD black is more expensive too

[marsh sphinx]

most modern cases miss that DVD bay at the front. Is this a standard now?

[stoic crest]

yes

[quasi pasture]

who wants e-waste
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195606454726

[raw inlet]

I want ewaste motherboard with sas support

[raw inlet]

2011 socket?

[quasi pasture]

CORRECT

OH MY GOD

HE SAID THE THING

fun fact, i bought one of those boards but it arrived damaged because the seller is a fool. at least i got a full refund and got to keep the broken board

[raw inlet]

hehe
I know something abt x79 & 99

[quasi pasture]

like what

[raw inlet]

Well
There's not much to know

[quasi pasture]

thats not true

you can always delve deeper in a platform

[raw inlet]

Xeon CPU and sockets that have same amount of pins as other CPUs but not compatible with some boards

Like socket R1 R2 and R3

If I remember correctly

I always wanted a Xeon system because most CPUs cost nothing but boards are like 90$ on AliExpress

[quasi pasture]

people on that giga-copium

[quasi pasture]

there's always so much more to a platform than basic compatibilities. every platform has its nuances and quirks and use-cases.

[quasi pasture]

you're in italy right? i feel like i remember you saying that

[ebon stratus]

\> is x79 a good mobo?

Yes, the Asus X79 is a good motherboard. It has good features and is suitable for gaming and workstation builds. It supports Intel's latest processor architecture, has plenty of USB ports, and has support for multiple graphics cards. It also has good overclocking potential.

[loud sandal]

That's NOT THE ANSWER I WANTED

[quasi pasture]

"latest architecture" lmao

[jolly inlet]

Must have pulled that straight from the product page

[quasi pasture]

yea lol

it may not be the latest but it is the best

[azure pond]

all i hear is copage

[quasi pasture]

"copage"

[steel wren]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[eager junco]

48” LG C2 is ~760 on eBay with the 20% coupon

[cinder kiln]

Jeeez

[raw inlet]

yep

[marsh sphinx]

is there a huge difference between headphones and speakers regarding P2 x USB x BT ?

[grand orbit]

Ps2 is ancient and never used anymore, Bluetooth does have a delay, usb or 3.5mm is standard for headphones and speakers designed for pc these days

[marsh sphinx]

using tablet as speaker with wifi has a huge delay of 150ms

[stoic crest]

ps2 to usb and then to bt?

if it's new enough standard bt would barely have any discernable latency

[grand orbit]

@azure pond btw that's a x27 non q according to the hp site anyway idk if there's any difference but still looks good

Oh wait

It's 1080p

[azure pond]

Oh mb

That's unfortunate

[steel wren]

guys, im in the market for a good cheap nvme 2tb drive, which one do you recommend?

[grand orbit]

do you have to buy from specific sites?

[steel wren]

only egg

going to buy some more items from there as well 😛

going to make a big package

[fleet marlin]

P5 plus same price on Amazon. The $10off w/ locker pickup might apply still for some people, or at least get 5% later if prime card used.

[grand orbit]

silicon power a60 or solidigm p41 plus

[steel wren]

going to check that out 😄

the a60 is a portable one T_T

[grand orbit]

its nvme

[steel wren]

not on egg it seems 😮

[grand orbit]

https://www.newegg.com/silicon-power-p34a60-2tb/p/N82E16820301429

[steel wren]

-.-!

[grand orbit]

not named properly on wegg

[steel wren]

that explain a lot

yeah the p34 seems fine for me

no need for a gen 4

[grand orbit]

the who

[steel wren]

it will be for games, im fine with my sn550 for the os

[steel wren]

a60 xD

[grand orbit]

yeah but wtf is a p34 lol

ohh

[steel wren]

p34a60

[grand orbit]

they are 2 seperate drives afaik

[steel wren]

now i need to research into controllers

xbox/pc controllers

[quasi pasture]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/725152745661824/?mibextid=dXMIcH

Quite the deal

[brittle lagoon]

It's just the full model name, p34a60 is the a60 you know, like the p34a80 is the a80 you know

[grand orbit]

they have separate stickers and listings though

ah well doesnt matter

[brittle lagoon]

There is no straight up a60

They might've changed the sticker at some point

[grand orbit]

oh odd

[cinder kiln]

Why are ssd manufacturers obsessed with P's and numbers

P34 P41 P41 P44

[steel wren]

maybe casue the controller? the pishon?

[cinder kiln]

Soon be able to count to 50 at this rate

[brittle lagoon]

p34a60 is Silicon Motion 2263xt and 2262en

[grand orbit]

mp lineup too

[pallid geyser]

P3

P5

P2?

[marsh sphinx]

in Shopee I can find RAM and SSD for like 50% less than local stores, I can't belive it. I bought 8GB DDR3L for my laptop for ~9$. Samsung brand. I'm tempted to buy 16 x 2 GB HyperX DDR4 3600 because it's so cheap compared to Fury Beast

[heady jasper]

In the same way that GPUs are obsessed with the letter X. GTX, RTX, RX XT, XTX

[cinder kiln]

PC build with no X pls

[turbid locust]

That's easy, all Intel build

[cinder kiln]

Indood

[turbid locust]

Meanwhile amd, x in basically everything

[grand orbit]

oh truee

[brittle lagoon]

10980xe

[pulsar fable]

Get a 5700x with a 5700xt

[marsh sphinx]

is it a bad idea to buy CPU without cooler at ali express?

[cinder kiln]

5600, b550m vc pro wifi, sp 32gb, mp33 1tb, a750, tuf bronze 750w, oh god the case 💀 g360a

[steel wren]

buying on ali express is a bad idea on itself 😛

[pulsar fable]

Unless it's for the explicit purpose of buying cheap stuff you know is kinda bad (like flash carts) or buying stuff to make a YouTube video/challenge out of

[daring depot]

I've bought peripherals like mice skates and cable wires, but not necessary hardware

[marsh sphinx]

what is this? a lot of sellers in shopee with products such as laptops and RTX 2060 for 99$. WTF?

[azure pond]

Scams

[stoic crest]

^

also i would say buying on ali is safe

but it's a waste of time IF you get scammed

they have good buyer protection

but the wait for the thing to get shipped from china to you can be long

[marsh sphinx]

I waited 3 weeks for a vertical mouse

[pallid geyser]

Wait no longer friend

[high radish]

thanks for super fast prime delivery

[loud sandal]

[tacit current]

looking at the deal i posted

seems to happen often

its usually 109.99 it seems

[loud sandal]

[turbid locust]

What's the difference between that solidgm p41 and the sk hynix one

Oh it's qlc

Yuck

[loud sandal]

well faster speeds

sk hynix is faster

[stoic crest]

p41 is good qlc

especially the plus variant

[light bay]

P41 sk is tlc

They aren't really even in the same class

[stoic crest]

ye ofc

[fleet marlin]

Worded it too funny. Hmm, I would've gotten the 770 maybe if was that price before I ordered 850x, lol. Paid $136 after rewards though.

[grand orbit]

btw if you havent purchased yet get p41 for same price

[covert apex]

I have a friend on a tight budget looking for a pc. I was gonna see if he wanted my old one. How much would you say someone should pay for a used computer of these specs? Still runs amazing. Built a new pc a while back and this one is just sitting here now. (ill add friend discount after the fact LOL)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dYpjrD

[steel wren]

yeah, im going for the solidgim, goin to make the purchase this friday

still waiting on some money for the rest of the things

buying a c920s, a 5-pack of p12s and an xbox eilte 2 controller as well

and ofc the 2tb nvme

[grand orbit]

id say 450$ if in the US maybe

[grand orbit]

eggcelent

[light holly]

@flat junco looks like it sold out at your price?

[flat junco]

Oof that was fast

Amazon warehouse is still $30

[cinder kiln]

I'll doll you in a minute

[shut spoke]

Has anyone used the Wolverine?

It seems clunky

[light holly]

What's more is apparently you can't map the back paddles either. In any sort of app including synapse.

[jade prawn]

Not sure why you need to water cool a mb but damn that's a discount

[stoic crest]

eh nope

it's not a deal at all

z590 is old platform

10-11th gen isn't good anymore for buying new now

don't let the price fool you lol

[jade prawn]

Not interested personally. Just saw the discount and thought maybe someone else would be.

[stoic crest]

even then i wouldn't call it a deal tbh

[pallid geyser]

It also has bad reviews

[echo hull]

So if anyone has any insight to this, it would be helpful, my Acer Nitro 5 laptop here must have had one hell of a Bs update, Its Program Realtek Audio Console is now just severely broke, Audio is warped bad now, Reinstalled the Audio Driver and Uninstalled and reinstalled Realtek Audio Console. Still nothing. I have contacted ACER and well their more useless then a used potato... On top of the audio being warped I need to make sure my headset is plugged in before I start my laptop or I will have zero audio to my headset, if I tried to plug in my headset at any time when my laptop is turned on I get this whole "This app can't open" , only 3 decisions to either Copy to clipboard , visit the store (Which nothing works to fixes this issue) or I can just close. Ontop of this I have fully lost the ability to format my laptop without now a Update program for a Thumb drive which is weird cause I just formatted this laptop like 4 weeks ago and it automatically downloaded windows 10 via internet with zero issues...

[grand orbit]

It's actually a terrible discount considering how useless the platform is

Should be like 150 max these days

[brisk sphinx]

Who would actually buy a Z590 for that much rn?

[stoic crest]

no one

[quasi pasture]

[loud sandal]

I would it looks nice but i dont have 10th gen cpu

[fervent elk]

That amazon deal on the 13600k is phenomenal. I picked mine up at MSRP and it's been fricken amazing

[fleet marlin]

Back to 297.

[shut lava]

The i7-6850K doesn't even have the CPU performance of a Ryzen 5 2600 in many benchmarks, so it would be R5 2600 system prices or lower. Looking at sold prices of R5 2600 and R5 3600 used PCs with a GTX 1080, I'm guessing $600-$700.

[azure pond]

I personally wouldn't spend more than 500 on it

[pallid geyser]

I hate when people get kicked in the tech deals chat cos I check that chat constantly and if it isn’t actually a deal I’m upset

[shut spoke]

I think there was also a deal for the x27 that came with a Hyperx keyboard for around the same price

[shut spoke]

Haha I actually check it too often. Sometimes there aren’t actually any updates and I get sad

[light holly]

Mood

[pallid geyser]

Same dude same

[trim pier]

ong

preach

[sonic shard]

Doing better with a smaller 27inch monitor 🚮

[trim pier]

me sitting here with a 27 inch 1080p with a 13600k ;-;

[grand orbit]

1080 non ti is more in line with the bad 3060 tho (8gb)

[shut lava]

RTX 3060 systems are selling for $650 to $800. So my price estimate for a system with a 5+ year old GPU and CPU that has lower performance than a R5 2600 is still accurate.

[fair moon]

Gotta account for the fact that many of those 3060 PCs being sold have much better CPUs.

I'd say for that system, 550 max but if selling to a friend more like 450

[shut spoke]

Woah

Micro center opening in indiana this summer

[pulsar fable]

This makes me happy

[grand orbit]

I read that as india and was so confused

[marsh sphinx]

The B550M motherboard just arrived and... where are the screws? Are the screws part of the case?

[grand orbit]

Yep

[pallid geyser]

Would there be a legitimate reason to go with the 980 pro over the solidigm p41? Or Hynix?

Cos the price difference is insane

[marsh sphinx]

I think I see what's wrong with shopee. They are selling ultra cheap DDR4 3200 without telling that it's cl22. That's why I'm seeing cheap DDR4 3200 and expensive, same 3200 but different brand.

https://cdn.deepcool.com/public/ProductFile/DEEPCOOL/Cases/CC560/Overview/01.png?fm=webp&q=60

someone is telling me that this front is going to limit the air flow in. I'm going to buy two 140mm fans. What is wrong with the front?

[stoic crest]

big block of plastic in the middle

[marsh sphinx]

https://images.tcdn.com.br/img/img_prod/612435/gabinete_rise_mode_glass_06x_black_sem_fans_949_3_87023e4a7be276b48647d1b19fe6aa59.jpg this has has a solid glass front, but it has a 0.5cm space between it and the case to let the air in.

but it weights 11Kg

[stoic crest]

that's even worse

i would just stick to the first one

[marsh sphinx]

11.4 Kg

that's heavy

the other one is less than half of that

[cinder kiln]

probably from all the glass

[marsh sphinx]

most cases here include fans and are RGB gamer type

[cinder kiln]

where you located?

sg?

ph?

vn?

[marsh sphinx]

brazil

[cinder kiln]

oh ah, yeah sorry I remember now

[cinder kiln]

easily the better of the two, if I remember this comes with 4 fans anyway so you won't need 2 more

[marsh sphinx]

the local store that I'm buying it from is selling it without fans

[cinder kiln]

Lol

[marsh sphinx]

they also sell it with fans, but it's a lot more expensive

[jolly inlet]

So they took the fans out... Charge full price... But you can pay extra to get the fans back

[stoic crest]

non us market be like

[jolly inlet]

[marsh sphinx]

this half a scam. HyperX fury DDR4 3200 very very cheap, like 23$ less than others. But I found it in the description that it's cl22.

[marsh sphinx]

Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200 LPX seems to be the best price.

VulcanZ DDR 3200 cl18 is cheaper but a very small margin.

[azure pond]

If the corsair is cl16, get that over the vulcan

[grand orbit]

Most users won't see the difference between 980 pro and soligm p41 plus outside of download speeds maybe if they have a really good internet connection

For things like every day p41 plus actually has random speeds of the sk hynix p41 platinum

Brand of ram hardly matters at all

[pallid geyser]

Gotcha gotcha, good to know

I need to get pcie 4

Still on 3, rip

[marsh sphinx]

I forgot that I can paint the case if I want to. In that case I can buy any black case as most cases are all black

[grand orbit]

@azure pond there's a possibility that kit could also be rev e btw 👀

[azure pond]

Pog

Even if it were C die with a 1tb ssd for that price, pretty decent

The ssd is probably an mp33 competitor if I had to guess

[grand orbit]

Probably the helix l yeah

Oh trust me it's not c die unless you mean cjr

Can't recall hynix dies for ddr4 but samsung c die can't do below 3600 c18

[azure pond]

Oh no I was just using it as an example

No way c die could do 3600c14 lol

[grand orbit]

Oh yeah deff

[light holly]

Nice 3600c14. Wish I could get my ballistix to run c14 lol

[cinder kiln]

did someone say felix

[marsh sphinx]

Sound Baster Z is so expensive

I'm not buying it

[quasi pasture]

[marsh sphinx]

this is so misleading. Most cases come with 3 or 4 fans, but they say nothing about the connection. The only thing they say is "RGB fan"

[grand orbit]

Sound card these days aren't really needed even if they wanted really good quality they'd just get a usb mixer

[grand orbit]

Most cases will be DC for mid to high end or molex for lower end cases

[light bay]

Wish the nx410 had pwm

Sadly it's molex

[marsh sphinx]

https://media.pichau.com.br/media/catalog/product/cache/2f958555330323e505eba7ce930bdf27/p/c/pch-molex2.jpg buy this?

[stoic crest]

if you're buying fans yourself, that might not be needed

[marsh sphinx]

I think I was being deceived. Is 3 x 120mm frontal fans better than 2 x 140mm? I already spent hours looking for cases with support for 2 x 140mm but they are so rare. Plus, if I buy fans I'm ending up spending more with those than with a case which already includes four 120mm fans.

[grand orbit]

your psu should have a direct molex connection and your motherboard will have some pwm/dc connections on it

so no

[stoic crest]

size doesn't matter with fans

[azure pond]

Either way, for your use case your components will be cooled enough

[stoic crest]

120mm fans does the job for everything already

[azure pond]

3x120mm has more surface area than 2x140, meaning they push more air total

[stoic crest]

^

[grand orbit]

not a huge diff tho

[stoic crest]

360mm of fans vs 280

besides 120 is cheaper

i don't see why case fans should be any bigger than this

[marsh sphinx]

I was thinking on 140mm being larger and spinning slower because of that to move the same quantity of air

[stoic crest]

there's already also lots of fans at 120mm that are silent

so nah, just go with 120

[marsh sphinx]

I think that the crux of the issue is that I wanted a smaller case and 140mm fans at the same time, kinda impossible math.

[marsh sphinx]

Montech X2 comes with 2 140mm fans and one 120mm fan at the back. For the price, it's much much cheaper than other cases.

https://img.terabyteshop.com.br/produto/g/gabinete-gamer-montech-x2-mesh-mid-tower-vidro-temperado-black-atx-sem-fonte-com-3-fans-rgb_123852.jpg

[brittle lagoon]

Let's say each 120mm fan can do 50cfm and each 140mm fan can do 60cfm, 2 140mm fans will definitely do better than 2 120mm fans just in terms of how much air they can push, but 3 120mm fans are just capable of more, which means each of the 3 120mm fan can spin slower relative to the 2 140mm fans, in the same way 2 140mm fans would spin slower than 2 120mm fans, but in the end, it really doesn't matter, if it's loud, just set the fan curve lower.

[marsh sphinx]

Just watched a 5 min video and the conclusion is pretty much that on average, 140mm is better. But when you look for the details, it's not a clear win. Sometimes 120mm is better.

[brittle lagoon]

I mean you can literally just look at surface area

3 120mm fans is more surface area than 2 140mm fans

more fan more airflow

The more it is capable of, the less it needs to work to achieve the same results

maybe 2x140mm fans need to spend at 80% fan speed to match 2x120mm at 100%, but 3x120mm could do it at say 60% speed

[fleet marlin]

If you did want to spend 155-160, sn850x is that price. P41 plus as mentioned is a great "budget" pick though.

[marsh sphinx]

I'm checking the adaptors. If I connect the included fans directly to the PSU, they run at max speed.

[high radish]

Most people buying heatsink versions for PS5 and 160$ for 2TB upgrade to PS5 is good deal

[jolly inlet]

Sure, just make sure to update the firmware before you put it in the PS5 or you run the risk of killing it within 2 weeks

https://www.pcgamer.com/an-error-in-samsungs-980-pro-firmware-is-causing-ssds-to-die-id-check-your-drive-right-now-tbh/

[marsh sphinx]

I'm kinda lost. The case is going to include fans, probably molex connector. Which adapter do I have to get to connect the fans to the motherboard?

[jolly inlet]

Something like this if the fans only have molex https://www.amazon.com/3pin-power-4pin-molex-adapter/dp/B000H25PBK

That should allow speed control by the DC function of the board (assuming the motor isn't complete trash that only runs at 9-12V)

[marsh sphinx]

wait a min. So the fans may not work with speed controls?

assuming that fans with molex connectors aren't meant to be plugged elsewhere

[jolly inlet]

If the fan is molex only and you use the molex connector it'll run full speed all the time.

If you use that adapter to connect to the motherboard you can control the fan speed my changing the input voltage to the motor, but you won't be getting a RPM reading from the fan and you also don't know how low of a voltage the motor will take before it just shuts off.

[marsh sphinx]

I'm better of choosing a case without fans because they never inform the included fans specs

[jolly inlet]

You can usually find out the fan type from reviews

[marsh sphinx]

https://media.pichau.com.br/media/catalog/product/cache/2f958555330323e505eba7ce930bdf27/a/0/a01-bk1.jpg max VGA 320mm. Does not come with any fans, the pic has one RGB just to show it. The cheapest here. The others are either smaller or much more expensive or already include RGB fans

[marsh sphinx]

I believe they are misleading. VGA size 320mm is probably not including the 25mm from the fans at the front.

it doesn't matter, the VGA that I'm buying is 256mm

[marsh sphinx]

I think that some cases are manufactured by the store itself

because they are found in one store only

[quasi pasture]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/275661684242?
dang these have gotten cheap

thats actually a really good deal

[jolly inlet]

Does that say 0 GT/s

Does it have dead memory controller or something lol

[quasi pasture]

people just suck at titles

[marsh sphinx]

aerocool 1000rpm or aerocool 1200rpm to use at the back? both are 120mm

[steel wren]

p12s

[pulsar fable]

p12s

5 pack if you can

[steel wren]

x2

[pulsar fable]

Since it's cheap

[steel wren]

bought 5x2 to fill my 5000x

[pulsar fable]

I only needed 1 5x kit to fill my rig

[steel wren]

sadly i use 3 front, 3 top, 3 side and 1 back

the thing is an effin wind tunnel

[pulsar fable]

I need a case that can slap fans on the side

[jolly inlet]

Those are kinda coming back into style but acrylic is still tacky

Nothing better for GPU temps though. When I build my brother in law's PC I got him one with a giant 240mm fan on the side.

GPUs were shorter then 😅

[fleet marlin]

Vert mount gpu would be great w/ side fans, obviously. I even like the haf xb evo if it wasn't $150ish.

[swift flare]

Guys, where I can find compatible stick ram for asus rog strix b650e-e gaming wifi (AM5)? I want to buy G.Skill Trident 32gb 6000MHz 32CL RGB/NEO RGB.

[jolly inlet]

Non-rgb https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BFG9VTKL
That specific kit of rgb https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb/p/N82E16820374428

[swift flare]

Do you know where i can find compatible list? QVL?

[jolly inlet]

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b650e-e-gaming-wifi-model/helpdesk_qvl_memory/

The exact model doesn't need to be on the list for it to work. It should as long as there's others with the same speed and timings.

[sick spade]

Only $40?

[quasi pasture]

Well yea

[sick spade]

👀

[quasi pasture]

Surplus of those xeons causing the price to go down more

That chip is the same as a 5960X, but also supports rdimms

[jolly inlet]

Can't have anything at all to do with the new sapphire rapids lineup announcement right? People realizing that maybe 6-8 cores aren't enough...

Plus the lowest SKUs being ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE if you don't count platform cost

[quasi pasture]

Could be, but yea, companies have been decommissioning a lot of Haswell/Broadwell-EP based workstations/servers the past few months

[quasi pasture]

Ikr

It's almost tempting for me to buy into the platform, but those board prices...

What do you think of what I posted in #storage-devices

[jolly inlet]

8 channel DDR5 tho

[quasi pasture]

Not like I specifically would benefit from that bandwidth

😔

[jolly inlet]

But think about the hwbot points

[quasi pasture]

I don't think I've ever bought current-gen hardware before

Unless some dinky ddr4 I bought 4 years ago counted

[jolly inlet]

I have. Unfortunately it was AMD FX which lived for way longer than it had any right to.

[quasi pasture]

I never see the value in buying current-gen stuff for my needs

Previous-gen or older has always been perfectly fine or better, and for cheaper

[jolly inlet]

It was only "current gen" when I bought it because AMD was in their gap between FX 9000 and Ryzen, just before Lisa Su took over.

[quasi pasture]

[quasi pasture]

Ah yea

[jolly inlet]

And yet I still trusted them enough to pay as little as possible for a Zen+ processor platform upgrade when Zen 2 came out lol

[quasi pasture]

My desktop has an x370 board

[jolly inlet]

I'll be honest I really bought into the whole "guaranteed upgrades" thing and tbf on X470 that was always true.

My X470 board supported every AM4 processor, just not all at the same time lol

[quasi pasture]

X370 as well, which is cool

5600g on a first gen ryzen board is neat

[jolly inlet]

Eventually yeah but it took a lot longer to update 300 series

And a lot of consumer complaints

And Asrock being Gs and releasing a beta bios that supported 5000 on A320

AMD: It can't be done! It doesn't work!
Asrock: Hold my beer, imma flip their world upside down

[quasi pasture]

Coffeelake on lga1151v1 moment

[jolly inlet]

Pin mod ftw

[quasi pasture]

I could mod my z270 board but I won't be buying any of those chips soon anyway

Even though I'm not using it for anything for a while I'm glad I picked up that IX formula

Was so cheap

[sick spade]

xD

Can't wait for the day we have 100 core CPUs that boost to 6ghz+.

Wow this msg took forever to post.

[quasi pasture]

Discord moment

[jolly inlet]

Discord after a major update esp

[sick spade]

Agreed.

I wonder if people will start making games that take advantage of high core counts in the near future now that CPUs have so many cores.

[jolly inlet]

According to the Steam hardware survey 6 core processors are the most common still followed closely 4 core. Game devs go after the largest market they can, if a game needs more threads than the average person has cores then they get refunds from poor performance.

8 cores is slowly gaining market share at least

[steel wren]

yeah, with today's tech thats impossible on a tiny package

too much heat

come back in maybe a hundred years

[quasi pasture]

Hundred? lol no

Sounds possible in like 3-5 years

[jolly inlet]

We're getting into a realm where things are as small as they literally can be according to physics

Quantum computing is coming soon though

[steel wren]

problem is the amount of heat produced at those frequencies

if somehow engineers find a way to have higher frequency at low temps, then its doable the 100 cores at 6ghz on a small package

[jolly inlet]

We'll never see a processor based on x86 tech that is capable of that speed with that many cores. Not without it being a massive chip the size of a GPU. (not the GPU die, the whole GPU)

[steel wren]

true

[high radish]

maybe in 20 years lol

[jolly inlet]

We're already getting into Angstroms, it doesn't get much smaller without going quantum and totally changing everything

[steel wren]

that will undoubtedly pack more cores, but the frequency tho...

take the 13900ks as an example, to get to 6ghz you need a fridge instead of an aio

eating 300w on that tiny package is no joke for cooling

[jolly inlet]

Meanwhile the FX 6300 can get to 6GHz on air cooling

[steel wren]

ok, im overreacting, but you get the idea

100 cores at 6ghz average on that tiny package oh man..... thats like what? 800w with the current tech?

xD

[jolly inlet]

Yeah that's not happening. Not without two different CPUs NUMA'd together.

[cloud hornet]

R5 5600G has 6 454 cores.

Doesn't do 6GHz tho

[light holly]

If only the numbers in the CPU name denoted the amount of cores it had xD

[quasi pasture]

i have one of those

[jolly inlet]

Not even under LN2, right

WR is 5373, way short of 6GHz

[marsh sphinx]

I'm really out of options. LG 26 UW is the only UW monitor at this size and this price range, under 150$.

[stoic crest]

Ultrawide of that size and low budget is hard to spot anyway honestly

[marsh sphinx]

all other brands make 29 or 34

[grand orbit]

Eh hp X27Q is ips and the same price but i guess if they wanted curved it's okay @pallid geyser just an fyi

[pallid geyser]

Ahh, true true

X27Q only 165hz and this one 170hz though

(Joking)

I think the only problem I have with IPS is the light leakage but not much you can do about it I guess

Wouldn’t mind an OLED but I’d worry about burn in

https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27gr95qe-b only $1000

[marsh sphinx]

so 26 ultrawide has the advantage of having more pixel density than 29. That's a win for me.

are windows keys sold on keyspc safe? It feels suspicious. Windows retail box costs 10x more than a key alone

[grand orbit]

Never heard of the place but you can buy not so legit looking windows keys and just be fine, Microsoft just charges 100$ or so cus they can

Or you can leave it unactivated

[marsh sphinx]

LG 26 UW is cheaper than 29 UW. Is 29 worth the extra cost and lower PPI?

[grand orbit]

Unless you're going 1440p stay as close to 24" as possible

[marsh sphinx]

the smallest QHD display is 27 and it costs a lot more

[marsh sphinx]

I was about to buy LG 26 when I've found that the 29 is more expensive but there are some important differences. The 29 model has PIP, split screen, more candelas and better energy efficiency

[marsh sphinx]

is g-sync exclusive to displayport? My GPU is Nvidia. What do I do? If I buy a monitor without display port do I lose G sync?

[brittle lagoon]

It depends on bandwidth, not the method of connection.
For example, at 1080p144hz, HDMI 1.4b does not have enough bandwidth to support g sync at 1080p144 while DP 1.2 can, but if it was HDMI 2.0, it would have enough bandwidth for 1080p144hz with g sync.

[marsh sphinx]

most monitors these days are hdmi 2

[brittle lagoon]

I was taking common situations on 1080p144 for example

For 1440p144+ you won't get g sync with HDMI 2.0, only HDMI 2.1 has enough bandwidth iirc

[marsh sphinx]

the monitor is 2560 x 1080 x 75hz

[brittle lagoon]

Wacky resolution, who knows what you'll need

[jolly inlet]

Who knows? I knows. That's 12Gb plus a little extra for gsync.

HDMI 1.4 can't do that but 2.0 can

[marsh sphinx]

It's the low cost ultrawide solution. I'm not going to play games above that res anyway

[brittle lagoon]

I mean, rough approximate of 2560*1080*75*24*1.05 is about 5.2gb/s, doable by HDMI 1.4, but who knows what the implementation really needs

Ultra wide might mean weird standards

[jolly inlet]

That's per channel though, 3 channels total

[brittle lagoon]

8 bit per channel, 3 channel makes 24

[jolly inlet]

And I calculated with 16 bit depth so that's why my numbers are different

[brittle lagoon]

I doubt a cheap monitor is going to be 10 bit color

[jolly inlet]

Ah I see what you did now

Yeah true 10 bit is unlikely

[marsh sphinx]

yes

it's 6bits + FRC

I don't work with photo or color precision work

[marsh sphinx]

oh well... I'm going to ask for a refund before the store ships the monitor. Nvidia Freesync does not work with HDMI 2.0

[brittle lagoon]

What

Nvidia doesn't work with freesync

It's g sync compatible

[marsh sphinx]

Nvidia freesync requires displayport

wait a minute. I'm didn't ask for a refund yet. It seems that HDMI 2.0a does support freesync?

it seems that the only monitors that support freesync over hdmi 2.0 are those which also support g-sync

[azure pond]

They really don't matter much anymore

[marsh sphinx]

jesus.... 29WN600, the stores charge 3x more than 29WK600

that's absurd.

[jolly inlet]

Yes as long as it doesn't exceed the bandwidth of 2.0

Modern gsync is literally rebranded and tested (by nvidia) freesync

[marsh sphinx]

I already asked for a refund

before the store shipped it

have to wai 48 hours for the refund

Nvidia does not make it clear if freesync over hdmi 2.0 works or not

[jolly inlet]

It should in most cases like yours where it would only be at 1080p

Higher resolutions and refresh rates get iffy

[mint wedge]

in the MP34 what are the different style configurations for? are they drastically different?

[brittle lagoon]

On Amazon? Iirc it's Amazon being weird and calling different variants different styles for some reason, they put mp33, mp33 pro, mp34, and mp34q on the same listing as different styles iirc

[fleet marlin]

modern = mp33. pro = mp33 pro. movement = mp34 (plus what Mr. 3.0 said

MP34 sure continues to be a decent price, especially vs the mp33 (pro)

[light holly]

I likes my mp34

seems like it's faster than what I actually need for gaming.

[marsh sphinx]

this is weird. LG 29 ultrawide gamer version has usb c and display port, but it costs less than the non gamer version without displayport and usb type c. It does, however, consumes more energy, more watts.

29UM69G vs 29WL500. The UM is the gamer version

[fair moon]

Right now pretty much any nvme drive is faster than needed for games

[steel wren]

are you getting a 1080p (well some wacky res anyway) on 29" ultrawide?

no bro, dont do that

it will look like crap

also 75 hz

[high radish]

buy 49inch 32:9 wqhd

[loud sandal]

[marsh sphinx]

LG UltraGear 27 QHD costs a lot more and I choose Ultrawide because it was more important than 144hz

[sick spade]

Interesting, might I ask why? Just curious.

[flat junco]

I think I got the x27q for $175 a little bit ago

July of last year

[azure pond]

Yeah mine was $175 after tax

[light holly]

Same. Was to good a deal to pass up for sure.

[trim pier]

i think there’s something called inflation yall 💀

anyways it’s still a great price for an IPS at 1440p, 165 hz

[jolly inlet]

Inflation doesn't make it go from $175 to $210 in 2 months

[trim pier]

2???

[trim pier]

This one is in july

plus you could factor in black friday/somewhat christmas sales

but otherwise stuff like GPUs, CPUs, and monitors skyrocketed up a bit after those sales ended

ik CPUs stabilized and dropped in price at the end of January after AM5s came out

[cinder kiln]

I'd take an X27Q over a curved of the same spec and price

Maybe that's just me

Pretty normal price for it tho

Not really a deal anymore

[trim pier]

true but like

most 1440ps i see are usually 300$

and they’re IPS, but those are what I just see

VAs at 1440p are lower ofc but people say VA isn’t good blah blah even though this and that

[steel wren]

va

[shut spoke]

X27s been at that price for months

Shouldn’t even be considered a deal anymore with some of the prices recently

[daring depot]

does the samsung 980 pro have a greater risk of failure at 2tb than a sk hynix p41?

[brittle lagoon]

there's pretty bad firmware issues right now

with proper firmware, not really, with the broken firmware, yes.

[daring depot]

i kinda have trust issues with samsung now

i have 2 micro sd cards that broke from samsung

plus signs of unreliable fridges

[cinder kiln]

also their ssd's are failing

their current gen (not the new gen) ddr5 sucks

990 pro just a meme in general

S23 seems to be not great at all

lol

[daring depot]

ooo actually

[cinder kiln]

samsung has sorta fallen off the perch lately

[daring depot]

the p41 is 170 for 2tb

[cinder kiln]

p41 plat is nice

[daring depot]

shame, i liked samsung

[cinder kiln]

p44 pro if you want equally good

solidigm

I think that's not on a sale tho iirc

I think Samsung still has qled going for it tho

that is nice

ngl

[daring depot]

i wish i had money

spent it all on mice

[cinder kiln]

lol

[light holly]

I too buy mice.. to feed to muh snek

[cloud hornet]

Buy cheapest mouse with a good sensor, shape, and weight and then replace the switches (and sometimes scroll encoder). Then never replace it for 10 years.

So annoying that 99.999% of even the premium mice have bad switches that fail quickly.

[daring depot]

dude

i have 6 logitech mice

3 of which I modified myself

im an addict and I still want a Lamzu

[light holly]

I have high hopes for this Naga Pro V2 optical switches

[daring depot]

i am a maniac

[light holly]

I absolutely love this mouse though.. it was a trip to go from the orochi v2 to this mouse.

[trim pier]

i’m telling you, i used this like 15$ logitech office mouse on my imac throughout my childhood for a good 7 years before replacing it with a razer mouse

my dad still uses it for his laptop at work and changes the batteries out every 5 months practically

[dry sluice]

I wanna get a power supply. Looks like all the prices got jacked up.

Found a 1000 watt for $160, but if you wanna go any higher it is basically a jump to $250

[light holly]

What do you need a psu above 1kw for?

[dry sluice]

In case I wanna get a 4090 in the next 10 years the warranty would work.

or 5090 which will require unknown power

[daring depot]

God a 5000 series rtx

They're gonna reach AMD levels of numbers

[light holly]

I'd just wait until the 5000 series came out before grabbing something.. who knows what you'll need. Might just be having to upgrade again after just upgrading.

[dry sluice]

@daring depot I figure you will need a clothes dryer level plug for the 5090

[light holly]

or you might find that you needn't upgrade at all