storage-devices

[quiet gust]

Then why tf on the website there is written non volatile?

[pallid orchid]

non volatile just means it doesnt get erased after power off

nothing else

all ssds use non volatile nand flash

sata and nvme

[quiet gust]

Wait, I'll explain you something in a few minutes

[pallid orchid]

ram is volatile mem

[quiet gust]

Yeah, that's the point,
NVMe are called like this (non voltaile memory express) because of its speeds (that can be similar to ram ones (in my opinion the speed is very different)) but SATA m.2 "should" not be called non-volatile because they're slow

Maybe they call SATA non-volatile because they came after the m.2 NVMe that were very fast
Idk

[minor sun]

Sata is literally non volatile, when you turn off your computer, sata drives don't just wipe themselves

Ram, which is volatile, does.

Volatility doesn't have anything to do with sleep

[pallid orchid]

ok but nvme is the name of a transfer protocol

thats why non volatile memory EXPRESS

also volatility has nothing to do with speed

it literally just tells you if the drive keeps data after it stops being powered

so all ssds are non volatile

sata and nvme

both those are just protocols

nothing more

one is faster, the other is slower

doesnt mean one drive is volatile and the other isnt

a volatile ssd would be worthless for most consumers

[blazing musk]

The first generation of SSDs were volatile. Basically just DRAM with a battery for when it shuts off.

[pallid orchid]

i mean they werent really ssds tho in the strict sense

imo

[red jay]

does anyone know if the 970 evo plus is the best ssd on the market or if there is a better one?

[dense merlin]

if you want the best ssd on the market, youll be spending thousands

theres best and then theres good enough for your use case

p31 is a good option for gen 3

[red jay]

ok thanks

[dense merlin]

sn 850, p31, 970 evo

tho i think i saw smthn about the controller in the 970 evo being changed

so it might not be as good now, im not sure

[dense merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xNCFf7/sk-hynix-gold-p31-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-shgp31-1000gm-2 p31 is actually on sale rn

[sour wadi]

Not even close

It's good, not as good after they made a component change afaik :(

Although you won't see the difference in gaming applications etc

[kind sierra]

They moved it to use the same controller as on the 980 pro

[sour wadi]

980 non pro? Surely that would have made it better? I thought it was a downgrade?

[kind sierra]

Nope, 980 pro. It's a gen 4 controller but a very old gen 4 controller

Some loads are better, some are worse. Unfortunately it's usually real world loads that take the slight hit

[rocky epoch]

And a pricey one

[kind sierra]

Ended up being cheaper for them than the phoenix

[sour wadi]

Makes sense also means it will be sad on pcie 3 :/

[quiet gust]

👀 time to mod the HP thin client

[sour wadi]

Fun how'd you get a thin client?

[quiet gust]

Stole it
My dad brought it from work, they're replacing them... So he took one (or two)
(Maybe he took five of them)

[sour wadi]

Makes sense they usually only sell them commercially

[wispy jungle]

only on evo plus

went from Phoenix to Elpis for a bit, but already went back to Phoenix

all due to a shortage probably, but it was technically an upgrade

[small carbon]

Yea it was just sort of a side grade, and indeed about supply on the controller afaik.

[sour wadi]

Oh it's back to normal now? And i mean it was and wasn't, means that it would have done worse in gen 3 systems right?

[wispy jungle]

I don't see why it would perform worse

especially compared to launch evo plus, as they even upgraded NAND at the time

[sour wadi]

Ah fair enough

[wispy jungle]

in either config it's one of the best PCIe 3 SSDs out there

but P31 is mainly more efficient

[sour wadi]

Gotcha, my ssd knowledge of how it works is more on the basic side

[wispy jungle]

mine isn't Newmaxx levels either, but I can understand a decent part of it

[proper epoch]

Is there very much variation in quality of generic NVMe SSDs?

[sour wadi]

Yes?

[minor sun]

as usual, depends

[proper epoch]

Which are the best brands because I’m really inexperienced when it comes to buying them

Just like a 1TB SSD

[minor sun]

Don't go by brand, just go by model

[proper epoch]

Sorry if I can’t be very specific

[minor sun]

mp33 is cheap and efficient

[proper epoch]

Alright

Alright cool I’m not trying to transfer tons of files just run games as well as possible

[blazing musk]

MP33 is perfect for that. Even the top drives only load games a few seconds faster than it.

[hallow owl]

anybody know how to speed up a m.2 gen 4 nvme

mine says its max speed is 3600mbps

but its running around 1500

and i have it connected to a gen 4 pcie slot

its a wd black sn750

are their better nvme drives?

[snow anchor]

you sure it's an sn750? not an sn850?

[hallow owl]

yep

[snow anchor]

the sn750 isn't gen4 it's gen3

the 850 is gen4

[hallow owl]

it says on the package gen 4

pcie gen 4

[snow anchor]

This your drive?

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn750-nvme-ssd#WDS250G3X0C

[minor sun]

Prob sn750 SE

The one that's called gen 4 but only gets about gen 3 speeds

[minor sun]

How full is it, typically slower as it fills up

[snow anchor]

good call. forgot they have that thing

[hallow owl]

i think i have only used up 60 gb

[hallow owl]

yeah except mine is the se version which has faster read and write i think

what one has the fastest proven speeds

ima need lots of speed

[wispy jungle]

Depends on what you call generic. There's less known companies to consumers like SK Hynix, PNY and Liteon which can have solid stuff, but there's also the literal garbage collection SSDs on AliExpress and alike

Because in those garbage collection SSDs you get constant variation

But even in mainstream SSDs it's not uncommon to have multiple hardware changes over the lifespan, especially right now as there's a global IC shortage

It's better than it was a while back, but still

[wispy jungle]

If you actually utilized the SSD, you'd probably also have a budget higher than looking at an sn750 se 😄

99.99% here won't benefit from anything above a nice pcie 3 drive

[minor sun]

Hey s70 blade had good prices nowadays

[small carbon]

Yea $200 exactly for the 2TB is darn good, actually $190 after the 5% back if applicable

[blazing musk]

The vast majority of people don't need more than a MP33, maybe P31 Gold

The only reason to need more sequential speed is doing workstation tasks like 8k video editing or creating a massive open world in Unreal Engine

[small carbon]

Yea a bunch of the 2TB gen 3 prices just arebt crazy good. I suppose for $90ish budget people arent looking at 2tb lol

[open gazelle]

Or 2 billion years from now, when the first direct storage game comes out

[pallid orchid]

many months ago afaik

[blazing musk]

Not quite. Forspoken is the first game that will support it and it's not launched yet. The devs are bragging about 1 second load times, though. It'll be a few years before more games actually use it, like ray tracing.

[pallid orchid]

I thought some games on gamepass support it?

[blazing musk]

No that's game streaming, it's different

[sour wadi]

xbox gamepass is not streaming btw just like game renting

[blazing musk]

Yeah, some of the games can be streamed though so you can play without downloading

[sour wadi]

oh didnt know that, all the ones i tried where downloaded

[blazing musk]

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-game-pass/cloud-gaming

[quiet gust]

What's the right boot prefer? Pc isn't starting after I installed win 7 sixteen times

Or what do I do to get pc started?

I may have solved the problem

[hallow owl]

i just needed something quick and fast, chill

[green wharf]

Which of these is better? Excluding the price

[blazing musk]

S70 blade is technically better but not anything you'll notice if you're just gaming

[green wharf]

Ok, how bout streaming wise

[blazing musk]

Same deal. Streaming barely touches the drive.

Now if you're recording straight to disk in 4k there may be a slight difference

[green wharf]

Ok thx

[pallid orchid]

Recording not much difference either really

Its a small difference like falcie said

Real difference would be if u were editing working with multiple large 4k recordings

[small carbon]

Although just saw ya know, that S70 (maybe blade model) was recently $200 on either amazon or Bestbuy. --Also no point to the Samsung unless perhaps you're outside the US and can't get a Hynix P31 that's often within $10 of it, or less factoring in discounts/cashback.

[green wharf]

What about the Samsung 980 Pro

Would that be better?

[blazing musk]

It's in the same tier as the S70

Which is the "extremely heavy workstation/HEDT use, or for those that like to burn money" tier

[green wharf]

Ok, what would you recommend for gaming/streaming

[blazing musk]

P31 Gold is one of the best because of its random access IOPS. It even beats some of the gen 4 drives in gaming.

[green wharf]

Ok thx

[reef pebble]

Could anyone point me in the direction of a good tutorial of how to make a ssd into your boot drive?

[blazing musk]

You can just clone your current OS drive using Macrium Reflect, then wipe the old drive to use as storage

[reef pebble]

yeah but i dont know how to do that lmao

[blazing musk]

https://pureinfotech.com/clone-windows-10-hard-drive-ssd-macrium-reflect/

[waxen venture]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08Y1Q2KSZ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 is this good? might be getting an xbox series S.

[signal garden]

i mean, seagate is the official partner for xbox

should be fine depending on the games youre putting on it

[sour wadi]

Seems a bit expensive for 2tb hdd and also Ik there was something about external drives only working for previous gen games although I'm not sure if that was xbox or ps5

[signal garden]

be surprised if it was for xbox considering their support for previous gen stuff

[lethal oriole]

M.2 Gen4 x4 means M.2 PCI-express 4.0 x4? or am I getting it wrong?

[blazing musk]

You are correct

Four lanes on 4.0

[lethal oriole]

Oh, okay. Just want to make sure. I am not too familiar with these different terms.

[blazing musk]

99% of people don't really need to spend more on a gen 4 drive btw

Unless it's for a PS5 or something

[lethal oriole]

Well, I am comparing mobos. I was a bit confused about the slot term.

but you said it not necessary to spend extra on gen4?

[small carbon]

Mobo itself supporting gen 4 pcie isn't really extra cost at all, so yea get 1 that has it. Pcie is generally back compatible so you could of course use a gen 3 ssd. Hynix P31 is a great 1 btw, on sale once in a while.

[blazing musk]

Yeah P31 is best but following within a few loading seconds is the MP33

[small carbon]

I'm even fine w/ my post-nerf sn550.

[real lava]

sata is perfectly fine

jk
nvme drivers are similarly priced

so like there's no point in sata

if the board has m.2 slots that is, which is all modern boards these days

[small carbon]

Pfft, no 4TB nvme for $320. (usually)

[real lava]

true

but if we stick with 500 gigs to 1tb range

they're so close

[blazing musk]

Dang MX500 4TB really is $320

https://tenor.com/view/dont-it-i-need-it-sponge-bob-gif-12698907

[real lava]

that's nice price

[cyan needle]

What makes the ps5 want a gen 4 when a gaming pc only needs a gen 3?

[blazing musk]

They have some games that use a form of direct storage

So the result is things like open world games that don't need loading screens ever because all the assets stream off the drive almost instantly. Like the spider man game.

[cyan needle]

Oh ok. And pc doesn't need to utilize that?

Or that it cant?

Sorry, sometimes these concepts elude me.

[minor sun]

It's wacky tbh

What Sony says is that you need the gen 4 drives to be able to load fast enough for direct storage, but technically, a gen 3 drive should also work fine, Sony just doesn't want to mess with that and just do guaranteed support.

On PC, direct storage is still a thing, and could be used by both gen 3 and gen 4 drives, but there's just not any games actually using it yet, so we can't really tell yet if gen 4 drive will help.

[blazing musk]

There is exactly one game using it and it's in alpha still. Or closed beta. I forget.

And that one game is barely any faster than just using the regular storage API

Oh and apparently Witcher 3 is getting upgraded with it. No idea why it needs it at all.

And interestingly direct storage doesn't work at all for raid volumes

[cyan needle]

Hm ok.

Makes a bit more sense.

[kind sierra]

cdpr has been doing a huge graphics remaster for witcher

If they're working in direct storage for streaming assets that might explain the delay

[kind sierra]

I'd guess that would depend on if it's hardware or software raid

[lethal oriole]

btw, is it even worth getting a HDD anymore these days?

[kind sierra]

If you want cheap bulk storage for games, photos, or backups then yes. Just don't use it to boot your operating system

[opaque kelp]

what the write speed doin

is there a way to make my write speed faster

[reef pebble]

Trying to clone my windows to an ssd using Macrium Reflect and getting error code 0

[lethal oriole]

Ah I see. mmm, I am thinking of that already

I am thinking for using a SSD for booting and important files

and very demanding games

[blazing musk]

What drive? And a lot of SSDs slow down as they fill up

[exotic valley]

HI

Anyone have any good, or bad luck with a TerraMasters NAS drive

Also looking for a 1TB SSD drive to replace my 500GB HDD, and I want to transfer all data to it and use as my C drive. I thought there were some that came with software to clone it, but all I am finding are 3rd party programs for it. ALso, How does it get installed when I had a 3.5" drive, and all I find is 2.5" or smaller?

I am not sure how this works, do I get a notice if someone replies to me?

[upper quiver]

yes

[upper quiver]

how old is the drive? would be best to just get an additional ssd to install windows and programs to

leave the hdd in there with the data for now

what motherboard do you have?

[exotic valley]

Drive is about 8-10 years old. its not full, even though its a 500GB, its not even half full. Want it to speed up the computer. I am also upgrading the video card, and doubling the memory. I just want a few more years out of it. Its a Dell T1500 workstation running windows 10.

T1600 sorry

[upper quiver]

oh

you want a few more years? what are you using this box for?

like damn, you might as well just get a 300 dollar lenovo laptop

[exotic valley]

mainly email and internet use, no gaming, no graphics. run accounting and Tax software

[upper quiver]

huh

yeah honestly you would be better off just getting a new, cheap laptop

way more reliable

way faster than that thing will ever be

idk how much you were planning to drop on memory, gpu, and a new ssd

[exotic valley]

problem is all comes with windows 11. the accounting software wont run on 11, and I will need to spend 500 a year for subscription, and then Office costs a yearly subscription as well. so thought was for say 500, I can get 3 years out of it, as opposed to buying a cheap computer, and paying subscription fees fo rthose 3 years as well, so overall cost is less doing it this way. Thats my thinking.

[upper quiver]

doesnt have to come with 11, you can still find plenty of cheap laptops with 10

also yeah, if its hardware licensing then that sucks

is it not account or key based?

not sure how you're getting out of these huge subscription costs by using old hardware

[exotic valley]

yup sucks, account or key based? theres no USB key if thats what you mean. and the version I have litterally is not compaitble with 11

[upper quiver]

yeah, like USB or license keys

or you login to your account in the software

to show that you own it

[exotic valley]

yeah, no. my current stuff all has license keys, but they wont transfer over

right now I own the softweare, both Office and the accounting software

[upper quiver]

seems hard to believe you couldn't just reactivate the software on the new system, but idk some software is like that

like, if you have physical disks with license keys, shouldnt be a problem

[exotic valley]

yeah, I cant install the old rogram on win11, even with the activation keys. Its not compatible. Also its located in a hutch with a larger monitor that would be in the way if we used a laptop there. would need to be a tower to work where I have it.

i bought 32 gig mem for 100, and a 4gb video card for 100

200-300 for a hard drive and program to copy drive

[upper quiver]

you just want a 500gb ssd to replace the current drive?

you could go with a TB, but i doubt you would use it all

[exotic valley]

well, was going for a TB so it doesnt fill up too soon and slow down, but yeah.

wanting it to last till win10 EOL in 2025

[upper quiver]

https://www.newegg.com/crucial-mx500-1tb/p/N82E16820156174

[upper quiver]

enterprise ltsc 2019 eol is in 2029

but that would require you to reinstall windows haha

[exotic valley]

yeah, just have PRO and all my machines. The one you sent me looks good. how does it go into a 3.5" bay though

[upper quiver]

idk just stick it somewhere in the case

[exotic valley]

the whole purpose is to avoid reinstalling

[upper quiver]

it weights like... 100 grams, you can literally just let it hang there lol

[exotic valley]

are the connectors the same as a regular SATA drive, it kinda looks like it

[upper quiver]

yup

of course, youre going to have to use something like macrium reflect to image the drive from one to the other

[exotic valley]

thats what I am trying to understand. are those any good? I thought at one time there was a SSD drive that came with its own method of cloning the drive.

thats fine, what do es that cost

[upper quiver]

we all just use macrium

is free

and easy to use

[minor sun]

There's also brackets for 2.5in to 3.5in if you're bothered by it

[upper quiver]

also, the clone will require you to use a seperate system to image the drive

[exotic valley]

and flawless? How does it work with system folders locked, and files in use, and etc. How can it just clone everything and have no issues

[upper quiver]

you could also just get a third drive, install windows, and run macrium on that

[upper quiver]

its a bit for bit clone of the drive

the whole thing

so the drive cant be in use while the operation is under way

[exotic valley]

my computer has space for a second drive, so how do you clone it, need to have a system with 2 empty drive spots and cables

[blazing musk]

Windows having "protected" folders is a joke anyway, there's no real protections on the files unless you specifically encrypt it and even then you can copy whole encrypted files and containers

[upper quiver]

three, technically, but it might be easier to get an external usb enclosure for the ssd as well

that way you only need two drives in the system

the original being cloned, and a temp drive to run a temporary windows installation and macrium

[exotic valley]

um, can you send me a link of something that will work.

[upper quiver]

you arent running bitlocker, correct?

[exotic valley]

no

[upper quiver]

cool

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Tool-free-Enclosure-Optimized-EC-UASP/dp/B00OJ3UJ2S

[exotic valley]

so, do the clone of the drive, then put it int hte machine and start it up and it acts like the other drive, no issues, just faster

[upper quiver]

yup

do you have any other drives or computers laying around?

you cant run the cloning software on the drive you are trying to clone, after all

[blazing musk]

If you don't have a third hard drive you could always use clonezilla on USB, but it's a little more complicated

[exotic valley]

yes, I have other computers, and other drives as well

Well, I will go for easy

i dont see how the link you sent will work

[upper quiver]

its for the ssd to go into during the clone process

i suppose if you have 2 additional sata cables you could just plug all three into your desktop

[exotic valley]

I may actually, but I need this just for the SSd

[upper quiver]

need what

[exotic valley]

so on my other computerm I can take the drive I want to clone and make it my second drive, then plug the USB witht he SSD drive in it, then install the program on the c drive, and I am all set

run the program from C and clone D to the USB

[upper quiver]

yup that will work too

much easier

[exotic valley]

Yeah, I can easily do that. Soo, where do I get this free program. I hate all those site that has 20 DOWNLOAD NOW onthe screen never knowing which one to select

Hell, if its that easy, I may buy another SD drive for my other computer, its just as old

[upper quiver]

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree#

few options there, just get Reflect 8 Free

[exotic valley]

soo whats the catch, what are the others for? Is there a time limit its free, or maximum amount of uses

[upper quiver]

just additional features

none you really need

[exotic valley]

so direct disk cloning is what I would be doing

[upper quiver]

yes

you dont need any of that

[exotic valley]

ok, cool. Thanls. So then basically for $300 I upgraded the computer for 3 more years. I thnks thats a fair price

[upper quiver]

assuming something else doesnt quit in the mean time

its fair to say the only questionable aspect of the system at the moment is the PSU

[exotic valley]

Right. well, replaced the HD, Memory, and Video. about the only thing to go is the PSU unless the BOARD goes

ditto

[upper quiver]

i doubt the board or the cpu would die

theyre pretty solid, just keep it clean

[exotic valley]

yup. thank you very very much.

got time for one more?

[upper quiver]

more question?

prolly

[exotic valley]

another subject or similar subject different application

[upper quiver]

shoot

[exotic valley]

replacing my iomega store center 2 which has 2 drives cloned. been having issues with it going off line, and its not the HDD, its the unit itself. I manage to get it back afte playing around but I am afraid it wont last soooooo

im looking to buy another storage device

I have extra HD's, because when 1 failed, I bought 4 of the same one. I have now 2 new left and looking to see if I can buy a shell unit and use these drives

[upper quiver]

checked the SMART data on the drives in use?

[exotic valley]

the HDD i have aare Seagate barracudas LP 500 GB

[small steppe]

SassyFish256#5719 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[upper quiver]

:P

oop

[blazing musk]

smh sassy

[upper quiver]

make sure one of them isnt being fussy

[exotic valley]

eh?

I can, I think I did, not sure. can check quickly. anyway I found one and was wondering if it would work

[upper quiver]

i would assume that NAS would report smart data in some way

what gets stored on this NAS?

[blazing musk]

The interface might call it a "health check" depending on OS

[upper quiver]

is it live data, or mostly just archival?

[blazing musk]

Also if the NAS uses hardware raid it might not be able to read raw smart data

[exotic valley]

its all my live data, that is why my computers HDD dont have a lot on it, because all data is stored ont he NAS. which is raid 1 mirrored, and then also offline backed up everynight

Here is what I am looking at

https://www.newegg.com/terra-master-f2-210/p/14P-006A-00016

could it use 2 500GB HDD

[blazing musk]

That logo looks awfully familiar

[upper quiver]

how are these drives currently configured?

RAID 1 or JBOD

because the current nas will do either

actually

either case may not matter, i think the data on the drives would still be accessible individually

[exotic valley]

not JBOD, Raid 1, where each drive is identical, so 1 drive fails, you have the other drive

Im trying to see if this would accept 2 500GB drives.

[upper quiver]

yeah then you should be able to swap the drives into any nas and it should just work fine

i dont see why it wouldnt

just sata

[exotic valley]

I have them brand new, still sealed, otherwise I have to buy it with drives for another 400 bucks

[upper quiver]

ive never heard of terramaster tho

[blazing musk]

Ok yes TOS 4 (the OS) does have smart health checks and ironwolf health management, it's under storage manager > hard drive

[exotic valley]

Yeah, My thinking too, and yes, also nev heard of them either. their comments dont look so bad

[blazing musk]

It looks a lot like a rebranded cooler master

[upper quiver]

yeah lol

[blazing musk]

Maybe a sub-brand since they don't do a lot of NAS stuff

[exotic valley]

well, is there another brand that I can look at?

[upper quiver]

eh, seems fine to me

did a bit of poking around

[exotic valley]

I cant find anything on the existing NAS on the drives to show that setting.

Ok, well, I can try it and see

thank you BOTH

does newegg good with returns, like if I try it and I cant get it to work?

i really dont want to spend a thousand bucks on a NAS device

[upper quiver]

https://www.newegg.com/synology-ds220j/p/N82E16822108716

theres your alternative

good known brand, but more expensive

honestly, the terramaster doesnt seem bad at all though

so its up to you

[blazing musk]

For entry level stuff I'd say it's fine, until you need more complex stuff like a raid 50 volume

[exotic valley]

not much more expensive. looks very similar actually. even though our files are on it, its used very little.

[upper quiver]

also going forward i would suggest getting drives built for use in a NAS

no more of these barracudas 🤢

[exotic valley]

this one does seem to have some bad reviews.

[upper quiver]

yeah, seems like terramaster has some QC problems

[exotic valley]

soo, even thought he one I had which was a NAS used the barracudas, your saying dont use them

[upper quiver]

use what you've got for now

[solar solstice]

Can someone help me

[exotic valley]

are the barracuddas not good, I thought they were pretty good.

[upper quiver]

but when you go looking for more drives to put in a nas, make sure they are built to be run 24/7 in a nas

barracudas arent designed to run in a nas 24/7

[solar solstice]

My ox started smoking and then turned off

Pc*

[upper quiver]

sounds like something your PSU would do

any liquid cooling?

[solar solstice]

Nope

All air

[exotic valley]

Hey, Thanks GUYS

[upper quiver]

very much sounds like psu then

[upper quiver]

np

how old is this build?

like a year?

less?

[solar solstice]

Less

Several months

[upper quiver]

sounds about right

[blazing musk]

wtf even is that psu

[upper quiver]

the time bomb in the bottom left corner of your build went off

they usually go somewhere between 6-12 months

pull the psu and all the psu cables out

get new psu

[solar solstice]

850 watt player x steampunk

[upper quiver]

https://www.gamestop.com/pc-gaming/pc-components/power-supplies/products/corsair-cv-series-cv650-650-watt-bronze-certified-power-supply/224588.html

lol

buy that

[exotic valley]

Hey SASSY, did you say use the Reflect 8 free COmmercial or non commercial?

[upper quiver]

non

[blazing musk]

non commercial means home use usually

[exotic valley]

👍

[upper quiver]

only difference is licensing, just stick with the options under Home

[exotic valley]

right, ty

[upper quiver]

lol

get what i linked

[blazing musk]

Ok so here's what I found on that PSU: The 750W gets a B tier rating but above 80% load the efficiency falls off a cliff, suggesting that the platform they used can't handle high loads. That doesn't bode well for the 850W model.
The fan also peaks at 59 dB which is insanely loud, and 46 dB under normal conditions which is still too loud for most people.

[upper quiver]

b tier rating cool and all, but it did just effing blow up in his build

so

lol i guess

[dense merlin]

I wouldn't buy a cv, when the g5 650 is $65

Or asus tuf gaming is cheaper, not sure exactly how much

But modular vs non modular, just depends what you care about

[sour wadi]

Cv
https://c.tenor.com/RvWIf6kYd0oAAAAM/thumbs-down-you.gif

[upper quiver]

cv650 good enough for that build

plus its 41

cant beat that

[upper quiver]

thats like 25 dollars more lol

[dense merlin]

not worth putting a bad psu into a build

$25 for safety of the rest of the pc is worth it

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RkjBD3/asus-tuf-gaming-b-550-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-tuf-gaming-550b could also just do this

[upper quiver]

its not a bad psu...

[dense merlin]

C tier

and i really dont trust it, considering the 550 and under is D tier

[upper quiver]

yeah, but ive looked into actual trusted reviews

550 and under dont use DC-DC converters for lower voltages

so yeah they junk

650 is actually decent

in this case, at least

[dense merlin]

the asus tuf is high pri B tier tho for $8 more

[upper quiver]

oh yeah lol its way on sale on amazon rn

regardless, cv650 is a regularly cheap, decent unit for most systems with low power gpus

but yeah, if you want to ping or dm that guy with a link to this other unit be my guest

[dense merlin]

@solar solstice

[small carbon]

[dense merlin]

you'r

dw about it

[upper quiver]

cry abt it

[olive wadi]

i hate storage

[dense merlin]

Well storage hates you

[minor sun]

you've turned to the dark side

[open gazelle]

Your guide baby is crying from all the hate its father is giving it. Damn bruh.

[molten swallow]

Hey folks i need some help with a product a just purchased from Newegg. It's a 2 bay RAID enclosure. I already had the drives from a previous enclosure that died on me. This new one worked fine. I was able to use Superduper to migrate the data over to the two drives - which i had previously formated - and it was running fine. Now it won't stay mounted on my Mac for longer than a minute.

Any ideas? It seems as though the drives are fine. I've tried mounting it on two other computers and the same behaviour happens - it unmounts after about a minute.

[sharp folio]

I'm looking to upgrade my game drive, does anyone have recommendations for 2TB SSDs that last?

[sour wadi]

Country? Do you have spare m.2 slots or does it have to be sata?

[sharp folio]

United States, M.2 and SATA would both be fine

[sour wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C3xbt6/team-mp33-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6002t0c101

[sharp folio]

Thanks

[sour wadi]

Np

[reef pebble]

So I'm having this weird problem with macrium reflect during the final stages of the cloning it'll only get to 60% done my monitor will turn black, at first I thought it was doing something related to when you update a graphics driver so I waited for around an hour to see if it would turn back on, and it doesn't I've searched and haven't found anyone with the same issue

[open gazelle]

Any error in Event Viewer?

[reef pebble]

no

[open gazelle]

Seems like a pretty strange issue.
Did the PC turn off, or did the display turn off/stop having a connection?

[green wharf]

I was wondering would the Sk Hynix gold p31 would be a good boot drive or should I use a different ssd

Ik someone said it would be good for games, but what about it being a boot drive

[dense merlin]

p31 is great

[open gazelle]

Great drive, but its rarely worth the extra cost over a MP33 for the average consumer.
Perfectly fine to use as a boot drive. Could be used as a boot/game drive too for example.

For the most part, can used used for whatever you want.

[cyan needle]

I personally went with p31 over the mp33

[heady marten]

Hello, I have a prebuilt pc and I just recieved an MX500 SSD 2.5 inch. The case can hold another HDD slot but I was wondering if my motherboard which is the Acer aspire gx-785(kbl) has enough cables or which ones do I need to connect.

[dense merlin]

Just needs a sata cable

[blazing musk]

2.5 inch sata drives need power and data

[dense merlin]

Also make sure you can find the Sata power cable from the psu

[heady marten]

Man I would send a picture since I have no clue where would I plug it

The power and the sata

[blazing musk]

sata power

sata data

Power goes to the PSU, data goes to the motherboard header

Header looks like this, could be a different angle though

[heady marten]

Perfect thank you

[steady talon]

What would y’all consider the best of the best Gen 3 M.2 SSD?

I know there’s the P31 but is there anything even better?

[blazing musk]

P31 is really the one that punches above it's weight class, not many others can touch it in most workloads.

[dense merlin]

mm, for the price def mp33, but aside from that there's none that i know that stand out

[small carbon]

$140 for mp33 2TB is good, but realise $10 more was my 970 evo plus. Love those crazy 1 day sales. "Cost" me $20ish but I switched from the Sammy, lol. Hynix isn't the best ram but their ssds are fantastic. They don't even do the crap of having a gen 3.5 drive & calling em gen 4.

[hallow owl]

can someone tell me what the best/fastest gen4 m.2 NVME drives are.

[blazing musk]

P41 Platinum hands down

[dense merlin]

s70 blade is nice depending on prices of it and other drives

[hallow owl]

im liking these specs

[hallow owl]

actually pretty banger price

thanks.

[livid cargo]

I am trying to find an M.2 drive that is budget friendly but I really want one with DRAM on it, does anyone have any recs?

[dense merlin]

dram doesnt determine performance

that aside, if p31 is still on sale on amazon thats a great choice

$170 after clipped coupon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099RHVB42?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[livid cargo]

huh really I always was told it did matter thats good to know might widden my choices a bit

[dense merlin]

mp33 2tb is $140 atm

thats also a good choice

tho between the two imo id go p31 for the extra 30

[livid cargo]

thank you ill definitely look into it

[blazing musk]

DRAM is only used for caching metadata, it doesn't have anything to do with transfers

[small carbon]

Yep, non-dram ssds usually use host ram a bit anyways. SN770 is 1 that proves dram-less is a non issue. btw kodebi the P31 w/ it's really good latency/"rnd" performance is better than some gen 4 stuff in certain tasks. @hallow owl S70 Blade is probably within $20, I sort of suggest just doing the extra for a P41.

[hallow owl]

alright sounds cool

[real lava]

dramless with hbm is nice

[kind sierra]

Okay, I'm tired. I got very confused trying to think of an SSD with hbm 🤣

[minor sun]

lol

hmb

[real lava]

wait

hmb i meant

my morning brain is dumb

[red jay]

whats the best ssd on the market right now? Looking for 2-4 tb

[small carbon]

Depends on use, but obviously haven't been paying much attention
https://www.amazon.com/SK-hynix-Platinum-Internal-Compact-dp-B09QVD9V7R/dp/B09QVD9V7R

[blazing karma]

is the samsung 980 1tb a good deal?

[sour wadi]

No

Depends on country but it rarely is

Usually mp33/mp33 pro or sn550/sn570 are better options

[small carbon]

$63 SN750se 1TB is decent at gamespot currently https://www.gamestop.com/pc-gaming/pc-components/hard-drives-ssds/hard-drives-storage/products/wd_black-sn750-se-nvme-ssd-battlefield-2042-game-bundle-1tb---pc/303493.html

[red jay]

i use floppy disks

[sour wadi]

So you're that guy in me and @pallid orchid 's COD games

[red jay]

i dont play COD

[pallid orchid]

[sour wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-amy-santiago-you-do-now-now-you-do-b99-gif-24903433

[pallid orchid]

freaking 8 years to load map

[red jay]

fr i dont play COD

[pallid orchid]

then someones using ur pc bruh

[wispy jungle]

excluding stuff like Optane because it's unfair... it's a fight between stuff like (alphabetical order)

• Crucial P5
• Samsung 970 evo plus
• SK Hynix P31
• WD SN750

but even SM2262(EN)/SM2263/E12(S)/equal would hold up very well in the top end of PCIe 3

[glad oxide]

what does this error mean? MEMORY_MANAGEMENT

[sour wadi]

bit more context, did you get a blue screen of death or something?

[blazing musk]

If that's from a blue screen then something has gone wrong with your memory. You get that a lot when you overclock. If you're not overclocking turn off xmp and see if it still does it. If it does you might have a bad stick of memory.

[glad oxide]

yes

[glad oxide]

it usually happens when the HDD sounds like failing

[blazing musk]

What sounds? Can you get a video?

[glad oxide]

of it spinning up and stopping, all over again

and it happens randomly

it usually just crashes once then its fine for the rest of the day

[olive wadi]

sn750 random performance in the toilet

lol

[kind sierra]

And the 970 evo plus isn't quite as good after the controller swap

[wispy jungle]

The one to elpis or back to phoenix?

[half flint]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/samsung-seemingly-caught-swapping-components-in-its-970-evo-plus-ssds/

P sure he's mentioning this one

So yeah the elpis

[small carbon]

Kind of overblown for general use, but part of why I switched it for a P31.

[real lava]

oof

no more Samsung's own controller

[small carbon]

It was a temporary supply issue in Texas afaik. Not sure if they went back to the Phoenix controller, but no cares giveth. @olive wadi were you talking about only sn750, or also 750se? I might almost regret getting the latter, although $64/TB seemed pretty good. Shall I sell/return it?

[kind sierra]

It's storage, it's cheap

[small carbon]

Hah, true. Felt overall much better boot drive than sn550 I have, maybe. The sn550 or old mx300 could be my cheap/small forks OS bench drive. Lookie what else I got to stop using lil 1TB hdds. Glad I didn't already have the X300 Toshiba now I think.

[shrewd stag]

hey guys. I need two 2tb gen 4 PCIe SSD cards for my laptop. I can't seem to locate any sticks that will for sure fit in my new machine. hoping for some suggestions and appreciate your help ahead of time. Also, feel free to dm me if needed. here is a link to the laptop: https://www.newegg.com/titanium-blue-msi-ge-series-raider-ge76-12ugs-033ca-gaming/p/N82E16834156133?Item=9SIAFVFHCE3271&Description=GE76&cm_re=GE76-_-9SIAFVFHCE3271-_-Product&quicklink=true

[blazing musk]

Do they need to be gen 4 for some reason? What are you doing that needs that speed?

[shrewd stag]

I guess they don't have to be, but because it is capable of that, I am fine with spending the extra money for gen 4.

hopefully totaling around 500 if I am lucky

But if the read/write speeds are not significantly improved, and/or the machine can actually take gen 3, then open to suggestion

[blazing musk]

If you're just gaming, then the P31 Gold actually beats some gen 4 drives because gaming prefers random and mixed I/O, and not raw sequential speed.

It's also a very low power model so it should help your battery life a little over a gen 4 drive.

[shrewd stag]

got it, ya

not for gaming, its for music content creation

not sure if that changes things

[blazing musk]

Ah now that actually can use the sequential speeds when it's loading plugins at least

[shrewd stag]

ok cool

any exact stick recommendations I can take a look at? hard to search on new egg or amazon for the exact specs like gen 4, PCIe, etc

[blazing musk]

These are a good price right now https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4KRYcf/western-digital-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t3x0e

Another option, removable heatsink if it doesn't fit https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qCqPxr/adata-xpg-gammix-s70-blade-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-agammixs70b-2t-cs

[small carbon]

I suggest that S70 Blade, or a similar cousin. True gen 4 instead of sort of gen 3.5 like the sn770 is, at least if you'll use those speeds.

[shrewd stag]

Ok big thanks to you and everyone for all your help over the past few weeks to make this decision. I am going to go with https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/solid-state-drives/980-pro-pcie-4-0-nvme-ssd-2tb-2-pack-bndl-1634758157946/?cid=sem-mktg-pfs-mms-us-google-na-03242022-140976-&ds_e=GOOGLE-cr:0-pl:293204744-&ds_c=FF~Product+SSD_CN~ssd_ID~na_PH~on_MK~us_BS~ms_PR~ssd_SB~msmul_FS~lo_CA~kew_KS~ba_MT~exact-&ds_ag=AG~SSD+980_ID~na_MK~us_AT~ta_MD~h_PK~cpqlh_PB~google_AI~n-&ds_k=samsung+980+ssd&gclid=CjwKCAjwk_WVBhBZEiwAUHQCmU9O37HL0K6r-NOOejeL8mX_RwPW6QbcTY9UQSRmnN7ABcuqby9mKhoCGGkQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

and

https://www.newegg.com/titanium-blue-msi-ge-series-raider-ge76-12ugs-033ca-gaming/p/N82E16834156133?Item=9SIAFVFHCE3271

@small carbon @blazing musk any issues with this?

[blazing musk]

Besides being more expensive than it needs to be, no issues

[shrewd stag]

Ok cool. I know it is slightly more expensive, but samsung offers a deal for a 2 pack so its only 500 for both on their website

not too bad and samsung has the best ssd's generally no?

[blazing musk]

The 980 Pro is a S tier drive for sure so the performance will be there, but doesn't offer much more than another S tier drive would

[small carbon]

980 Pro is if you're writing 500+ GB at once all the time, for reference. Hmm, $250/ea isn't bad tbh but idk. Still $100 over dual S70 Blades.

[blazing musk]

The S70 blade is also a S tier drive is what I'm saying

[shrewd stag]

got it

only concern is that the reason i can't put two 4tb drives in there is because the heat sink wont fit. wouldn't the same be true for the blades then?

[blazing musk]

The heatsink is removeable

Only the non-blade S70 is non-removeable

[shrewd stag]

hmmm ok

[small carbon]

It's not just removable, the S70 blade heatsink isn't preinstalled. I know because I have 1. Also, if you were taking use of the 980 Pro by writing 500+ GB in a row, most gen 4 ssd would be getting quite warm & probably throttle a bit in a task like that.

[blazing musk]

It's for music production so mostly burst reads/writes sequential with mixed otherwise

[small carbon]

Oh too bad the 15% off for P41 gone. Samsung also good warranty/service, but S70 Blade seems to have a decent track record.

[shrewd stag]

dang

ya that would have been nice

[blazing musk]

P41 is the most epic drive we've seen yet

[shrewd stag]

@small carbon can you link ?

@blazing musk

[small carbon]

The P41? Oh it's just on Amazon but back at $260. Hynix P41. Also I forgot there's a new open box S70 Blade on r/hws for like $190 shipped so you could maybe get that 1 too & save $20-30 at least

[blazing musk]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QVD9V7R

[small steppe]

!ce#0022 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[shrewd stag]

full sends only. going with the platinums @blazing musk @small carbon

[blazing musk]

Yolo

[shrewd stag]

fax machine

[small carbon]

[small steppe]

!ce#0022 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[shrewd stag]

JUST FULL SENT BOYS AND FEMALES!!! thanks again for all your help!!! ❤️

[blazing musk]

Too many hearts lol

[shrewd stag]

haha im just excited

[blazing musk]

Happy to help

[small carbon]

Can't go wrong w/ what's basically the best ssd currently.

[shrewd stag]

basically.....

you tell me this now haha

[small carbon]

Nah I'm under selling how good it is.

[shrewd stag]

hahaha

ok scared me

thanks again though fr fr fr fr fr fr fr fr fr fr

now just praying the laptop doesn't show up in two months.....

bought through new egg as well to show support to the fam

maybe a mod can help expedite the shipping

[small carbon]

Eh, says within 22 days usually.

[blazing musk]

I would if I was actually employed there lol, mods are volunteers. Only admins are employees.

[shrewd stag]

ah i see

[small carbon]

Plus we don't work at usps or whichever is sending the laptop.

[kind sierra]

Sn770 gen 3.5? Say what now?

[real lava]

lmao

[kind sierra]

Sure it doesn't have super fast sequential speeds, but we all know those are mostly just marketing. The sn770 swings with the 980 pro and sn850 where it counts

[small carbon]

. Gen is sort of about the stated sequentials. 5500MB/s or less isn't true Gen 4 to me. Last part of my msg is why I would say skip the sn770 (in their case). !ce can maybe make use of those higher sequential speeds.

[kind sierra]

I guess they don't have to be, but because it is capable of that
Also laptop

So no need for high sequential speeds, just standard day to day usage, but definitely need for low power

Long story short: sn770 for cheaper option, P41 for higher end. Saying that the sn770 isn't true gen 4 is just silly

[blazing musk]

It's not day to day usage, it's music production they're doing. The sequential speeds help when you're loading 30x 500MB+ plugins.

[safe fog]

i have an external hdd is there a way to put it inside the pc?

[kind sierra]

Usually yes, look up to see if your model can be shucked. If so, you can open it up, take the physical drive out of it, and use it like you would any other hdd

[safe fog]

ok thx

[steady talon]

What is the external HDD?

[pallid orchid]

Ehhhh bob handled it

no need to add anything extra

[safe fog]

wd passport i guess

[quiet gust]

Chonk boi

[worn prairie]

Is the micron 2400 a good ssd? Could get a 2TB version for 169

[sour wadi]

Never heard of it, probably an oem drive or something, but not worth you can get a team mp33 2tb for 155 iirc

[real lava]

it is an oem drive

absolutely no reviews

so i wouldn't trust it

ew it's qlc

yeah nope, get mp33

[steady talon]

For the same price you can get a P31 2Tb rn

https://www.amazon.com/SK-hynix-Internal-3500MB-Compact/dp/B099RHVB42

[cyan leaf]

is this a good ssd? i’m looking for more storage and I was advised to get an ssd instead of a hdd

[dense merlin]

if you dont currently have an ssd, get an ssd and put windows on it

the difference is night and day

[cyan leaf]

right now i only have a one TB HDD and i only have 20GB free on it lol

[dense merlin]

100% get an ssd for windows

that p31 2tb for 170 is a great sale

its the best gen 3 ssd

if you want a 1tb ssd, p31 or mp33 would be what id go for

mp33 is cheaper, and still a good ssd

[formal tusk]

you're gonna be amazed how many seconds to minutes to hours you save on every little thing with an ssd

[cyan leaf]

Thank you for the advice

does this help with boot up time for the computer?

[dense merlin]

yes

download time too

launch time for everything

basically everything

[cyan leaf]

i’m about to shed tears

thank you i didn’t know i was missing out this much

no more eternal loading screens

wait

isn’t prime day

soon?

do you guys think I should wait till then to buy it or is rn already a good enough deal?

[dense merlin]

p31 2tb is on a great sale, if youre going to buy that one id just go for it

[cyan leaf]

Okay

[open gazelle]

P31 is one of the best gen3 drives. Getting it for cheap is a nice deal for sure.

[red jay]

Heya guys, got a question.

I have two motherboards, one with an i5 4600k, one with an i5 6600k (I know this sounds like a question for #cpus-mobo-and-memory but hear me out)

My old CPU is more powerful, being overclocked. My new CPU's motherboard has an M.2 slot (which is currently populated.)

I kinda want to go back to my old CPU, for the power, and the fact that I want to use two GPUs and my old motherboard has two 16x slots. (One is only 8x but still a full size slot) however this presents an issue.

My boot drive is an M.2. I have a SATA SSD.

Here is the speed of my M.2 SSD:

And here is the speed of my SATA SSD:

The write speeds aren't too far apart, however, the read speeds aren't even comparable.

Is it worth using my SATA SSD for a boot drive and going back to my i5-4690k purely for using two GPUs and gaining the faster CPU, or would sticking with the M.2 be my best bet?

If neither is a very good choice, is there a way to use my M.2 (maybe not to it's full potential, but at least FASTER than my SATA SSD) in my older motherboard without M.2 support? Maybe in a PCI-E 1x slot?

I'm unsure of what to do.

[real lava]

Wait

How is 4690K faster than 6600K?

Even with an oc it won't be as fast

[quiet gust]

With a really good oc it can

OC

[real lava]

Then that's not a good comparison

lol

Oh well

[red jay]

We're talking an i5-4690k running at 4.6ghz all core

[real lava]

ah

[quiet gust]

Ooh

[red jay]

Over an i5-6600k in a non-overclockable motherboard

[real lava]

That's definitely the better one

tbh going down to sata isn't too bad

[red jay]

Limited to 3.9ghz lmao

[real lava]

It won't be too slow

[quiet gust]

Max boost for the 4690k should be 3.9ghz

Yep

[real lava]

Unless you really want to use the m.2 ssd, but it won't be possible as boot tho

[red jay]

I've like, just adjusted to being able to have my PC turn on fully before my monitor has powered up

But idk if it's worth losing that for the CPU

[real lava]

As the cpu doesn't have support for booting with nvme drive

[red jay]

Yeah but is it worth that

Like

My other motherboard only has DDR3 memory too

I'm on DDR4 rn

But they're the same size anyway, both have 16gb

Actually

What I will do

Is I'll clone my M.2's data to the SATA SSD

And I'll just try it out

If it's better then I'll stick with it

If not then, I can still go back

[blazing musk]

Is the 4690k on a Z97 board? If so it supports booting from nvme. If it doesn't have a m.2 slot you can just get an adapter. It worked on my AMD FX and 970 chipset that way.

[red jay]

Not sure, I'll look

[kind sierra]

Even if not you could use the old days as boot and just have the nvme chilling for extra storage, right?

[blazing musk]

Z87 seems to support nvme but only as a storage drive without modded bios

Looks like a lot of Z97 boards came with m.2 slots also but only at gen 2 or 3 x2 mode, so a PCIe adapter would get you a lot more speed anyway.

[red jay]

Yeah but I wanted to use the speed as a boot drive

Like I currently do

[red jay]

I mean right now I can't find a program that will actually clone my M.2 to the SSD without trying to charge me a ridiculous amount of money

[real lava]

macrium reflect has free edition

[red jay]

I just caved and bought a licence for Aomei Partition Assistant

[small carbon]

Many of us don't suggest cloning, but some people have no issues. Also sata for boot is barely slower tbh, maybe a few seconds.

[red jay]

I broke the motherboard.

During the re-installation of the heatsink, I managed to scratch through a motherboard trace to the first two RAM slots. Rending them inoperable.

The old board is dead.

The old CPU is now useless.

I'm back to my M.2

Damage assessment:

Note to motherboard manufacturers: PLEASE DONT PUT IMPORTANT TRACES RIGHT NEXT TO MOUNTING HOLES TO THE CPU HEATSINK

[quiet gust]

^ discussion brought to #cpus-mobo-and-memory

[jolly schooner]

Could be possible a local tech shop could solder the traces back together

[jolly schooner]

Not to be rude but it is rare when stuff like this happens

[pale violet]

Which is faster? Mp33 or sn550?

[sour wadi]

They're both similar, mp33 is usually better priced tho, I haven't seen sn550 in a while(in the us at least)

[kind sierra]

Idk how much I would trust a high frequency differential pair like that if it had been soldered back together

[red jay]

Unfortunately it doesn't matter.

During the mounting procedure of the graphics card once I was able to get the system running again, something shorted out inside the main chip controlling input and output to the bios (such as the power switch, reset switch, etc) and the board has since died. I actually burnt my thumb on the chip it got so hot.

[olive glade]

Is there a better deal for a 8tb? Ssd or mvme

[small carbon]

Of course not, do remember it's qvo if that's an issue. The 4TB evo is also $350 currently, for anyone looking specifically for a 4TB ssd.

[olive glade]

O trying to find 8tb

O ok thrn

[small carbon]

Probably fine for "storage", idk.

[olive glade]

I have games on a 8tb hdd 😅

[real lava]

qvo is fine

for games and storage

[olive glade]

They dint have a 8tb Evo

[real lava]

ofc

the density of qlc allowed this at the first place

evo version would be stupid expensive

[olive glade]

But maybe I should wait a few years and keep my hdd

[open gazelle]

QVO <=2TB be pretty unappealing (unless insanely cheap) due to lack of dynamic SLC cache and QLC. 4/8tb be okay options tho. Use an 8tb as secondary in main PC, its okay.

[fathom blaze]

Anyone know how to recover data from a deleted partition without buying some overpriced program?

[kind sierra]

Yes, I can get you some links in the morning. In the meantime, don't let your computer write anything to the disk

[quiet gust]

Recuva

[fathom blaze]

appreciated

[fathom blaze]

it's set as raw so I don't think it can use the partition

[quiet gust]

I recovered 140 photos with it in a few minutes

:)

[fathom blaze]

this is 968gb my dad somehow messed up

lol

[quiet gust]

Oh god

[fathom blaze]

otherwise I'd try to do macrium or something

ya I had it scanning for 5 days only to error out

[quiet gust]

That's gonna take a while

[fathom blaze]

& the program wouldn't let you recover without finishing the scan unless you dropped $70 for a one year sub

the drive was over USB 2.0 too

terrible

[quiet gust]

What a scam

[fathom blaze]

I removed it from the external HDD thing & put it directly into the computer so hopefully it'll run faster this time

ya some program called recoverit

probably works well if you shell out the cash for it

[quiet gust]

Maybe
But if you want free programs it's easier

[kind sierra]

@fathom blaze https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/recover-partition-files-testdisk

[fathom blaze]

thank you very much

[red jay]

Ayyy its ya boi

Back again with another issue

So I'm trying to transfer Civilization VI to my SSD

But when I try to move it there from my HDD (it's 29gb)

The transfer finishes INSTANTLY and CIV 6 does not actually transfer to the new drive

Crystal Disk Info is telling me the health status of the drive is Caution - But I can still play CIV 6. It still launches and runs off of that drive with no issues, only it loads slowly (Which is why I want it on my SSD)

Here's a screenshot:

So uh

Yeah how do I get stuff off of the drive is it won't allow me to move them?

[keen slate]

If the game is on steam you'd have to do the transfer through steam itself which is also a lot easier

[red jay]

That doesn't work either

I'm gonna have to reinstall

[keen slate]

Well it is only 29gb

[red jay]

Yeah but that's like 3 hours with my internet

I was thinking of using 7zip to create a .zip file on my SSD from the install directory and then just extract it from the .zip on the SSD

But 7zip said it's a corrupt directory

But... Surely if it's corrupt, I wouldn't be able to launch the game

Welp

Imma just keep using the drive until it dies and then replace it when it does

"D:\Games\Sid Meiers Civilization VI New Frontier Pass Portugal\LaunchPad
The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable."

Just shush and do the thing 7zip

Watch it be like

One readme file that's corrupt

That's preventing the whole directory from being moved

[red jay]

When you put your game on the SSD and somehow it loads slower than on the broken HDD

[blazing musk]

Run chkdsk to repair what can be repaired. Easy way is to go through the right click drive > properties > tools to scan it

[red jay]

Yeah the drive is dying

Old age

[blazing musk]

Yeah but the scan will help your pull what you can off it

[pale anvil]

anyone know the cheapest 1tb sata ssd you can find right now thats actually good?

[minor sun]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078211KBB
But if you have a m.2 slot
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08GM8N3DB

[dense merlin]

or if you just need dirt cheap storage https://www.newegg.com/team-group-2tb-cx2/p/N82E16820331573?

not a great ssd though

low end

[minor sun]

pretty bad, would not call good, but ig if you really need storage

[dense merlin]

ye

[real lava]

tfw im using wd green ssd

i would say it's fine for storage

[blazing musk]

I got 2 and put them in raid 0. They perform better than the equivalent size blue drive.

[real lava]

dang

im using mine as boot drive

works fine honestly

[vagrant hemlock]

Hi, Bought a Samsung SSD shipped from Foxconn China (870 EVO). Samsung Magician says it is not Genuine, Samsung SSD firmware update tool refuses to talk to the SSD (sees it but won't update it) and Samsung Canada tells me they can't offer any warranty nor repair services if ever need. Has anybody every encountered this? Any technical solution to update the firmware on the drive? (I'm not a unix/linux person)

[dense merlin]

It's likely fake or used for chia

[vagrant hemlock]

Hoping it is genuine (performance level and SMART data seems up to par), but I believe you're right: its target market is China (model code end with /CN). I did not expect the SSD and its software to be country aware, but this seems to be clearly the case. I was hoping I could at least update the firmware (it's V1). I will obviously not want to deal with Samsung China !!! Worst case, I'll return it. Not warrantied in North America!

This is not exactly an ideal situation although I've had several Samsung SSD and never had any issue whatsoever with them. But you never know!

Samsung Canada could not find the model number in their database and were unable to verify the Serial Number. Not totally good.

[kind sierra]

@vagrant hemlock wouldn't be the first time foxconn has done forgeries

If Samsung can't find the serial number, I'd say it's almost definitely fake

[real lava]

^

[cyan needle]

For gaming, is there any discernable difference between a mp33 and p31? I'm looking at getting a 2tb (I know I should have grabbed one during prime day, but I'm a lamo and didn't think about it)

@small carbon

[small carbon]

Normally I'd say P31, but the MP34 is currently a decent $157 https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-Internal-Compatible-Desktop-TM8FP4002T0C101/dp/B095PMX6JS (and 970 evo plus currently $180, but those often run pretty warm at the least.

[cyan needle]

The mp33 is 145 for a 2tb on newegg. Is that mp34 better than the mp33? I know it's a higher #, but that doesn't always mean much

[small carbon]

Yea I know often we don't worry about the sequentials, but it's $12 to go r/w 1800/1500 to 3500/2900 of the MP34. plus MP34 does have dram I think even if that isn't a big factor to performance sometimes.

[cyan needle]

oh ok

that's "twice" as "good"

I can't remember what dram is anyways. I'm just needing it to put my games on

[small carbon]

hehe: EDIT --- definitely a solid game drive right now I figure.

[cyan needle]

Plus, it's on amazon and it looks like it'll show up the same day my GPU if I order in the next 30 min.. might even be in same box

[cyan needle]

I.... knew that lol. my bad. I just woke up and realized I needed another storage device.

[vagrant hemlock]

Thank you for this input. You know what, you may be right, and you'll see why below.

I'm not sure the Customer Center was up to the task. They said they could not locate the model # nor the model code # in their North America system. Very surprising given these codes appeared valid. Maybe an issue with the Service Center Agent, who appeared slightly junior. I didn't want to start arguing with him - he appeared to try to be as helpful as he could. Given what he said, I was not too surprised he could not locate the Serial Number.

The second part: because I wasn't going to live with a drive that was not under warranty in North America and that couldn't be updated (firmware), I asked for an RMA. The drive is already shipped back. In the mean time, I've got a replacement and right off the bat, it is clearly faster. Where the "faulty" 870 could only achieve 525/475 MB/sec (read and write speed), the new one (with 2nd version of the firmware though) is totally up to spec: slightly above 560/530, neat! Is it a firmware issue, or a fake situation? Can't tell.

I first assumed the somewhat poor performance could have to do my system, which is not new but still excellent. I'm starting to believe the drive was possibly at fault here and possibly not fully genuine. Hard to tell.

I didn't like the fact I was never told that my drive would have to be supported and warrantied thru China. And that I would not be able to burn a new firmware. Two reasons to ship the drive back. I tend to hate having to send something back - what a waste of resources.

Bottom line, maybe the drive was fake after all! I will never know. The new drive is behaving superbly!

Thank you for your input!

[kind sierra]

Maybe, I wouldn't be too worried about those speeds though. They were within a reasonable margin of the expected performance

[vagrant hemlock]

I tend to agree with you - it was not that bad. Had I been able to have it work in Magician or if at least, I could have managed to update its firmware, I might have kept it. After all, I've never had to use the warranty for a Samsung SSD. I've had a few over the years (they are the only SSD I've used) and they all have been fast and reliable. This one possibly on the low side in terms of performance, but still, its performance wasn't awful - just nothing to write home about!

[glad oxide]

best sata SSD for not more than 70euro?

500gb is fine, 1tb would be optimal

[small carbon]

Idk about price but lookup 870 evo & mx500, those are 2 great ones. Could check pcpartpicker. I'm not familiar with most sata options.

[blazing musk]

What country?

[glad oxide]

germany

nearby electronics store must have them

[blazing musk]

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/ft8j4D/crucial-mx500-500gb-25-solid-state-drive-ct500mx500ssd1

[glad oxide]

I can order online, but I dont want it to be damaged while shipping

[blazing musk]

It's extremely unlikely that a SSD would be damaged in shipping. They're not vibration and shock sensitive like HDDs.

[glad oxide]

also wouldnt a samsung ssd be better or is there no difference?

[blazing musk]

Functionally the MX500 and 870 Evo will both push the limits of the SATA interface

[glad oxide]

price wise?

[blazing musk]

Evo is 7 euros more

[glad oxide]

is it worth it?

[blazing musk]

Imo no but if you're a brand loyalty kind of person maybe.

[glad oxide]

eh, whole PC cost me like 180 euro anyway

my steam account is probably worth more

[blazing musk]

Both drives would easily last 10+ years barring any physical damage like electric shock

[glad oxide]

idk how old my HDD is

but its slower and slower

[small carbon]

I'll say I'm happy w/ my MX500, & have 3 of them.

[glad oxide]

2 weeks no starting and its even slower

[blazing musk]

5 years is often the point where HDDs lose performance because of things like demagnetizing and motor wear.

[glad oxide]

this one is probaly like 7-10 years old

[small carbon]

Ah, makes sense why my 160GB won't even show in disk management. Edit: no loss. The 80GB is still working though. - edit: It spun. I've long since copied stuff to multiple other hdds though.

[glad oxide]

found a 7200rpm, 500gb HDD in a vista PC but it died before i could even get all the stuff set up

[blazing musk]

That's a bad controller

Unless the motor is so worn that it doesn't spin and the controller doesn't start

[glad oxide]

mx500 it is then

huh?

84,99 💀

same with 870 evo

[blazing musk]

Check other stores if the sale prices are wrong

They don't update very fast when things change on pcpp

[glad oxide]

its also a phisical store nearby I can go to

if theres something wrong I can go there instead of waiting

[blazing musk]

Ask if they'll price match when you go in

[edgy ginkgo]

My windows is installed on my drive but I want to move it to another drive is there a way to do it without uninstalling windows

[keen slate]

Use a cloning software

[edgy ginkgo]

It’s actually in the military

We don’t have acsess to that

Do I just uninstall windows with it

Then set boot priority to the drive I want

[sour wadi]

Only way is to use a cloning software or do and uninstall and reinstall

[keen slate]

Depending on the type of drives could also use a 2 drive dock

[sour wadi]

Huh?

[keen slate]

You can clone hard drives/2.5" SSD's with this

[sour wadi]

But you still need a cloning software

[keen slate]

There is one for M.2's but i forgot what it looks like lol

With those you don't need software

Take this one as an example which you can see there is a clone button and a progression indicator

[sour wadi]

Oh never seen one with a built in clone function that's cool

[keen slate]

This is the one i use https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_679&item_id=209645

button on the front of course is the clone button

I have a 120gb HDD with windows installed with no key/account to it which i would use for other people's systems to clone over

[cyan needle]

Thats cool.

[proven wren]

what ssd should I get

my pc is out of storage

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=20-156-275%2C20-147-767%2C22-184-961&compareall=true

if there is another ssd or hdd that I should consider let me know

[real lava]

why external?

[glad oxide]

how do I set up an SSD correctly?

just bought a 500gb MX500

[real lava]

make a storage volume out of it

through disk management

[glad oxide]

I would like to have it as the main storage, OS, games

the old HDD for other stuff

[real lava]

you can clone your storage, but i don't really recommend it

[glad oxide]

I dont want that either

fresh start

should I get a windows key?

[real lava]

nope

[glad oxide]

hmm

I could install windows to the ssd using the hdd

can we go in a VC once my pc boots up?

anyone else?

[glad oxide]

alright, thanks for the help

[proven wren]

I dont really know how to add storage to a pc and just decided it will be easier

so what would be better?

https://www.thesource.ca/en-ca/computers-tablets/hard-drives-storage/external-hard-drives/seagate-one-touch-stkb1000400-1tb-portable-external-hard-drive---black/p/108095395

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=20-156-275%2C20-147-767%2C22-184-961&compareall=true

[glass nexus]

I have a crucial X6 1TB that I love!

[proven wren]

ok

Anyone else have an opinion

[proven wren]

how long have you had it

[sour wadi]

It's really easy tbh takes about 10 seconds with an nvme drive

[proven wren]

whats that

also do you have a storage thing that you would recommend

[small carbon]

Pato it's an mx500

[proven wren]

whould I have to remove the storage thing in my pc

because then I would lose my data right?

[lime jasper]

my 980 pro was acting up so i put it in a different m.2 (not pcie4) and got this, any ideas whats up with it?

also its not being detected by samsung magician

[blazing musk]

4.0 x4 tops out at 8 GB/s so it seems like something is bugged or else you have a ram cache set up like Intel rapid storage

Try it in another PC

[lime jasper]

this is another pc, i got it from a buddy who said it isnt working for him and he gave it to me

i thought i might be able to troubleshoot it

chances are its toast but if its possible to troubleshoot it im all ears

[blazing musk]

Well if it's doing similar things on two different computers and not showing in Samsung magician then yeah it sounds like the controller is done

[minor sun]

Also, check if that's in rops instead of mb/s for some reason, that doesn't look right for mb/s

[blazing musk]

If by "doesn't look right" you mean "is 5x expected values"

[lime jasper]

precisely

i would expect 3500 in a pcie3 spot

[formal tusk]

I've never seen CDM glitch out but Cinebench does this and you can get runs saying you have millions of points in single or multi core lol

[lime jasper]

lmso if the controller is toast it makes sense

[blazing musk]

Also are those 0 scores after it tried doing all the write tests?

Or were just the read tests done?

[real lava]

No

You don't lose data by unplugging your storage lol

[proven wren]

ok

[sour wadi]

? This guy was looking for recommendations on external drive and hadn't bought anything

[small carbon]

someone else.

[sour wadi]

Almost any desktop pc will have around 4 or more different drive possibilities

Yeah wasn't replies to them tho

[small carbon]

hmm I got mixed up at the time, all the green names.

[proven wren]

So I cab just add another storage drive?

[sour wadi]

If it's a laptop maybe if it's a desktop yes you can

[proven wren]

It's a gaming pc so yes

I have one tb right now but what storage drive to you recommend

[sour wadi]

Do you have any empty m.2 slots for you know? If you don't you can link the pc you have and we can find out for ya

[hallow juniper]

WD red plus or Ironwolf?

both are 4tb

but wd is 70 dollars in best buy pick up today

and seagate is 82 amazon

[real lava]

What's the use case for these drives?

Nas?

[hallow juniper]

nas

[real lava]

hm

I would do wd

[hallow juniper]

but performance wise which one is better?

[real lava]

It doesn't really matter unless it's smr

smr is slower than cmr

except in zfs

[hallow juniper]

Both of them is cmr

Qnap flashed wit truenas

[sour wadi]

Would grab the wd for 70

[sleek creek]

anyone know the spindle speed for the Kingston FURY Renegade PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD

[small carbon]

Spindle speed is for hdds.

[sleek creek]

OOOOO

tysm

[sleek creek]

what would be the speed for ssds?

like the indication name

[small carbon]

Spindle is 1 of the movings parts in a hdd & their discs rotate at mainly 5400 or 7200rpm. Ssds have no moving parts. They're often measured/listed in their sequential read speed, which is up to 3500MB/s for gen 3 & up to 7000ish for gen 4. The "random" file performance is why ssd is so good VS a hdd.

[sleek creek]

ok ty

[proven wren]

https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali560/p/N82E16883360190?Item=N82E16883360190

[blazing musk]

So yes you should have m.2 slots open. There's probably one under the GPU.

[cyan needle]

Just got my mp34 in the mail, I was wondering if there was anything I need to do besides just installing it in the mobo?

[blazing musk]

Before installation? No

After installation, open windows disk management to initialize as gpt and create partition(s)

[cyan needle]

Alright cool.

[proven wren]

K

[proven wren]

what storage drive should I buy ?

[blazing musk]

For what? Game storage and OS? This is probably your best bet
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101

[cyan needle]

creating a partition.. When I right click it says New Simple Volume?

[blazing musk]

Yes

[cyan needle]

and I just alocate all the space to the one partition right?

[blazing musk]

The defaults for those prompts are usually fine, you can change volume label if you want

Yep it'll take the whole drive by default

[cyan needle]

ok cool. Thank you

[proven wren]

I have a 1 tb ssd rn

I am also newer to doing things to pcs so will this be a challenge

the only thing I changed on my pc is the cpu cooler

[real lava]

it's easier than replacing cooler

[proven wren]

ok

do you have a good youtube vvideo or should I just find one

[blazing musk]

You literally just put it in the slot and put in a screw

It only fits one way

[sour wadi]

Since you're in Canada here's the Canadian link
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101

[sleek creek]

Whats a commonnly used hard drive for gaming pcs