building-and-recc-chat

[earnest olive]

sounds completely doable

[brittle tinsel]

honestly with all the research I have done, 4 capture cards totally seem doable. but I am not clear as to if they take the encoding job, so im scared you will need a $800 or more processor to handle that job if not more

[celest horizon]

HD60's can be well under $100 ebay

[brittle tinsel]

i was talking about cpu to handle the encoding. the plan is to use pcie capture cards

[celest horizon]

Idk, you can find a 9980xe for <$500, 3950x for $300, 5950x for 400

Any should be able to handle the encoding easily

Yeah, the hd60 pro is pcie 1x

[brittle tinsel]

for less than $100?

[celest horizon]

I bought one for 90, another for 100 I think, a friend got one for 60

msrp is only $150

[brittle tinsel]

an alterantive we have looked into are quad capture cards, its like 4 captures in one but $800 of something like that. maybe 4 seperate cards is ideal

[celest horizon]

Yeah, like an avermedia blackmagic

But I assume you need passthrough? Duplicating displays should be fine though

[brittle tinsel]

probably passthrough unles you can split a splitter?

[celest horizon]

Splitters could cause you more headache, I would avoid

But using 4 HD60's takes up a lot of pcie slots..

Why do the gaming rigs have so many displays?

Even something like a w9100 can do 6 4k displays

[brittle tinsel]

well, its more than just gaming. each rig suits a different need.
I use unity and prefer different tabs on different screens. 2 use photoshop and 1-2 will be using modeling softwares. we just added monitors as the gaming rigs so far suit most of our needs except for the ddr3 and i5 4570 could use an upgrade, bit slow, but get the job done

[celest horizon]

You could virtualize all of that from a single 5950x rig tbh

Run unraid/esxi or something

[brittle tinsel]

all 4 rigs are used for gaming as well

we spend the first half of our days doing different things depending on what is needed. then we spent the rest gaming

[celest horizon]

Tbh - usb capture cards aren't awful, lots of folks have had a good experience with the HD60S

Since streaming isn't the main use case here

[timber slate]

Does anyone have suggestions for cases with good thermals for a 3070ti and Ryzen 7 5700x and a good water cooler. I currently have, Lian Li LANCOOL 215 ATX Mid Tower Case and Cooler Master MASTERLIQUID ML240L RGB V2 65.59 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler as a possibility but I am not 100 percent on either since this is my first watercool build

[celest horizon]

$85 ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/313979716270

[celest horizon]

Check out gamersnexus reviews

Can't imagine your current case is an issue though

[earnest olive]

the case should be fine, that cooler should be fine but for a 5700x I'd just save money with a cheap air cooler unless you really want aio tubes in your system for looks lol

[viral ore]

also coolermaster aios are not the best

[earnest olive]

yeah

also really not a fan of rgb (non-argb) fans

[celest horizon]

Refurb LF240 is $61 rn

[brittle tinsel]

like, twitch/youtube streaming? that is planned. where we will be housing the equipment has internet capable of it. so we are getting a roadmap setup while we prepare to build on that land.

[earnest olive]

they kinda suck at reproducing some colors

[timber slate]

Ok, thanks!

[desert gulch]

plus shipping tho

[celest horizon]

Yeah I'd still go with new for really not much more

The argb options are cheap as well

[desert gulch]

shipping was a crap ton iirc

if you only bought the bstock lf240

[earnest olive]

refurb aio sounds sketchy

[celest horizon]

To clarify - you want to combine the streams of 4 pcs into one? or run 4 separate streams

[earnest olive]

wouldn't do it to save a few bucks

given the standards that products labelled refurb are often held to

[brittle tinsel]

all into one, how they will be orientated we will work on later, but yes. 4 gameplays on screen at once

[brittle tinsel]

mine is refurb, it was missing one screw was all. quick call to arctic and they sent a replacement pack of screws

[celest horizon]

I'd think using a 4x hdmi avermedia or equivalent and just duplicating displays from the gamer rigs is probabl the play here

[earnest olive]

I'd go for used over refurb tbh

[brittle tinsel]

I have thought about an alternative like that, first hearing about avermedia but I heard elgato was good. tbh some sounds like elgato fanboying but I have an elgato camera and it isnt bad. I have never used any others to compare though

https://www.pcnation.com/web/details/6DC231/avermedia-1080p60-hdmi-4-channel-pcie-video-capture-card-w-low-profile-cl314h1?dfw_tracker=110924-6DC231&mkwid=s_dc&pcrid=524019285072&pkw=&pmt=&plc=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwyMiTBhDKARIsAAJ-9VsReQ6o1y9UluRf8ZPfqTJetiWzJow7yuaSHhFVJsK-cowlm1Smrf8aAnxOEALw_wcB

this? seems like
https://www.amazon.com/Magewell-Capture-Quad-HDMI-Video/dp/B0178DV064

would be a bit better

unless you mean 4 seperate captures just avermedia over elgato I may have misread

[celest horizon]

I would google around reddit to see people experiences with either of those quad hdmi cards

[brittle tinsel]

thats the problem, I normally find 1 or 2 partial articles or subreddits on it. quad captures seem very very light in terms of demand

2x meaing 2 in 2 out or 4 in 2 out?

[celest horizon]

I misread, I think it's just 4 in

Guessing you don't need 4k capture?

[brittle tinsel]

probably not, non of us use anything over 1080

[celest horizon]

What about trying obs-ndi first?

[brittle tinsel]

never heard

maybe

we typically have the rigs 2 to a router though to avoid ping issues and packet loss.
so not sure how that would go

[celest horizon]

I know this guy runs an avermedia blackmagic with two mirrorless cams, hdmi from the test bench, then sometimes a webcam https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1426283890

I've never used ndi, but would definitely hard wire all machines

I think he only uses a splitter because he doesn't want to duplicate displays for his use case

As for the stream rig - something like a dark hero + 5950x for $700 is a good bet

[brittle tinsel]

It doesnt seem impossible just difficult.
now one thing to mention is that we all rock DP for our main monitor (the one that would have the game on it) that might be an issue

[celest horizon]

If you'd be duplicating displays, that'd be ideal as the hdmi port on the cards would be free for the capture card

[still roost]

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[jagged ember]

https://c.tenor.com/IMxo52auIV0AAAAM/okay-smile.gif

[spice crown]

There has been like 3 newegg pcs I've been looking at but the bot won't let me post them

[mossy venture]

because youre sending too many links

[jagged ember]

it does say duplicated text

[mossy venture]

whats your budget

[spice crown]

1500 i want a 3060 ti

[mossy venture]

aight easy enough

give me a few min

in a game

[spice crown]

Ok

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali568/p/N82E16883360198?Description=3060 ti abs&cm_re=3060_ti abs-_-83-360-198-_-Product

can add more storage pretty easily

[spice crown]

What about this one https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali570/p/N82E16883360205?Description=rtx 3060 prebuilt pc&cm_re=rtx_3060 prebuilt pc-_-83-360-205-_-Product&quicklink=true

[mossy venture]

oh i didnt see that one, thats great

means you have plenty left in your budget for a good monitor, keyboard, mouse and more storage

[spice crown]

Good and better than what you suggested?

[mossy venture]

the one you linked is better

yeah

oh wait

it comes with a free monitor apparently?

thats sick

great deal

[spice crown]

Good have you gotten a pre-built from newegg before

[mossy venture]

not personally but many here have

ABS is great

[spice crown]

I'll look at reviews thanks

[spice crown]

Quick question heard things that windows isn't activated how would I fix that?

[mossy venture]

@spice crown i read the name wrong

the gpu is a 3060

non ti

the one i linked would be a better idea imo

gpu is like 25% better

[spice crown]

Thanks cpu still good seen 11400 or 10400

[mossy venture]

yeah, but gpu more important for gaming

id do the 3060 ti one

[fossil cedar]

if you dont mind open box
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali605-master/p/N82E16883360270R
if you dont want open box
if this one stays at 1300
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali568/p/N82E16883360198
if the one above doesnt stay at 1300
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali565/p/N82E16883360195

[ornate condor]

I wouldn't recommend open box from newegg lol

[brittle tinsel]

has 4 perspective streams been done before or is that far fetched? I know twitch has team streams and some people stream discords as a window. but like 4 people hooked to one stream pc, I cant seem to find much about it. anyone else?

[little osprey]

why not

[ornate condor]

Couse I heard bad experience with open box a lot

[tight moat]

Im thinking about making my first build, any advice? this is the list i have so far: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

my friend said i should wait unitl i find a good cpu and gpu on sale and then base my build off those

for the price i think the one i mocked up is pretty good, i want to play games like R6 and elden ring with good fps

[mossy venture]

whats your budget

and where do you live

[tight moat]

california and aorund 1500 but less if i can

[fossil cedar]

Also that's not the right list, need to send the one in the yellow box

[mossy venture]

kk

few min

[tight moat]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wV4JyK

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/szgqRv this is one or https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VDyQPX this one

[mossy venture]

please no

[tight moat]

lol

is it bad?

[mossy venture]

very

very bad

[tight moat]

what abt the cpu and gpu

[mossy venture]

both the lists i made have better gpu and cpu performance

and every other part is better price/perf as well

[tight moat]

oh okay

will the ones you sent have high fps on high settings in bigger games

[mossy venture]

they have better overall performance

[tight moat]

what abt the cpu, the i5 oinly has 2.5 Ghz

[fossil cedar]

@tight moat https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qb6ygb

[mossy venture]

better option than the ones i made

^^

[tight moat]

Yea I like it

[ornate condor]

12600k > 11900k

[fossil cedar]

actually id do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z6VbLs

[ornate condor]

idk why I dont like mp33 lol

maybe couse its name or looks

[fossil cedar]

Bruh

It's a great chip ssd

[ornate condor]

yeah I know its good for its price but idk why I dont like it lol

I think they should give it better name and make it more cool

[fossil cedar]

Wat

[ornate condor]

btw I always wonder if I should remove that cover on ssd or not lol

[fossil cedar]

A heatsink?

[ornate condor]

I mean cover that have model number etc on it

when I put it under heatsink

[brittle tinsel]

the sticker?

[ornate condor]

yeah whatever it is

[tight moat]

Is intel better than AMD for CPU’s or what

[fossil cedar]

[ornate condor]

for now intel have better price performanse

[brittle tinsel]

I mean I feel like they wouldnt put it there if the sticker would get in the way of cooling

[fossil cedar]

12th gen has better performance full stop

[strong raft]

Ssd sticker doesn't effect cooling, at least the ones that are "copper".

[brittle tinsel]

why do m2s run hotter than 2.5 ssds?

[ornate condor]

so I don't see anything wrong with removing it ?

only as they mention voiding warranty lol

[brittle tinsel]

I dont personally, id say use something to clean the leftover residue off

what brand?

[ornate condor]

I have lots of them lol

[brittle tinsel]

oh nvm then, I thought you were referering to a specific one

[ornate condor]

no I usually removing them but I always thinking about it if I should remove it or not lol

[strong raft]

Then don't remove. Sticker basically doesn't effect temps, lol.

[desert gulch]

Much smaller

[strong raft]

Open a sata ssd & you'll see how small it is . Nvme stuff is also warmer because 3+ GB/s vs 500-550MB/s.

[desert gulch]

Yea I've opened them, but I count those 2.5" sata drives as bigger since they got that massive case, which is like a heatsink

[fossil cedar]

They'll run faster usually, less surface area

[rich helm]

Can someone build me a 1000 dollar gaming pc list? Im out of practice and I have a friend who is curious

[mossy venture]

yeah in a few min

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZXjbLs

@rich helm

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YFQh3y

[rich helm]

oh thanks! remind me what the comparison is of 6600 vs 3060

[mossy venture]

patos list is better

ignore mine

[fossil cedar]

6600 is about 5% less than 3060

But i managed a 6700xt for 1020 which is worth it

[rich helm]

6700xt vs 3060ti?

[fossil cedar]

Bang in the middle of a 3060 ti and 3070

[rich helm]

ok cool

my orchestra teacher is thinking about getting a pc and wanted me to check it out for him

[fossil cedar]

For gaming i assume lol?

[rich helm]

yeah he plays a lot of souls games and battlefield

[fossil cedar]

Oh afaik battlefield heavily prefers the amd architecture too

[potent portal]

Yeah they partner with AMD traditionally

[rich helm]

I wish i could snatch another fe 3060ti, i have a couple people who could probably use one

[potent portal]

Those things are really hard to get these days. Miners still bot the BB site. Super efficient.

[rich helm]

or a 3080 even tbh and then sell my 3060ti for msrp

[potent portal]

3080 FE is the same deal

3070 ti FE is much easier

Since the 70 and 80 ti are all LHR

[rich helm]

I have so many things i want to buy but no job lol

im thinking of getting a steam deck, im kinda intrigued by water cooling and/or itx builds.

[potent portal]

ITX is fun as a challenge. You really have to do more with less.

[tight moat]

whats a good graphics card around 600 or less that will preform well on high end games?

[mossy venture]

3060 ti, 6700xt

[tight moat]

im looking at the rtx 3070

[mossy venture]

3070 if you can find it at that price

[tight moat]

is their huge difference with the 3070and the 3060 ti

[mossy venture]

not much

10%

[sharp temple]

@fossil cedar How do the integrated graphics on an i5-11400 compare to those of a 1660

[fossil cedar]

1660 CURB STOMPS the igpu

[sharp temple]

Is it worth it though?

[mossy venture]

depends on the price and what you do

[sharp temple]

Run rust

[tight moat]

i found an RTX 3070 ti 8gb for 699, is that good?

[mossy venture]

1660

[mossy venture]

not bad

average price rn

[pastel wasp]

as time gets closer to Sep, I feel like price will level more

but if they paper launch... they will go back up

[sharp temple]

Is it worth $60 more for a 2060?

[mossy venture]

id say so

but again

depends on the price

how much is it?

if its a $500 2060 vs $440 1660, no way

if its a 240 vs 300, sure

[sharp temple]

330 for asus tuf 1660
389 for asus dual evo 2060

[stoic island]

There was an in stock 3060 on wegg for like 420$ earlier

Meh it's 440
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3060-gv-n3060gaming-oc-12gd/p/N82E16814932433

[sharp temple]

@mossy venture

[mossy venture]

theres one for 410 earlier iirc

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pD8bt6/msi-geforce-rtx-3060-12-gb-ventus-2x-video-card-rtx3060ventus2x12goc

very much worth over the 2060

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G9ytt6/gigabyte-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-eagle-video-card-gv-r66eagle-8gd or

[sharp temple]

Should I get the cheaper i5 then?

[mossy venture]

whats your budget for the whole build

ill make you a build list

[sharp temple]

900

[mossy venture]

aight

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YFQh3y courtesy of pato, if you can bump budget a bit

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xCpFsL if you cant bump budget

[sharp temple]

Hmm 6600xt

Alright

[mossy venture]

6600xt beats 3060

by like 5% iirc

maybe a bit more

[jovial root]

Question: Looking to do a fully new build.

Play things like BeamNG, Kerbal, Diablo 3, want to get into Flight Sim and racing sims.

Also want to be able to stream what I'm playing, and use things like OBS to spit consoles streams out.

Currently using a potato laptop so probably the only thing I'm bringing over is a mouse.

Budget is about $2k.

Thoughts / advice / "Do it yourself, kid"?

[stoic island]

Fun, will you need keeb/headphones/monitor included in the budget?

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8RN28r

if the 2k is fully geared for the tower

could go cheaper on the ssd if you need to stay under 2k

[stoic island]

P31 1tb saves that 80$

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9G3dH2 indeed it does

[stoic island]

But if monitor keeb and headphones included in budget, will have to strip it down more

[jovial root]

Headphones, no. Keeb possibly, if I can't bring my old Logitech gaming one back from the brink, monitor yes... But can hold off there if needed, just using the TV.

[mossy venture]

ah kk

12600k still a good choice

[stoic island]

Prob like a M27q or equivalent, and a keychron board as placeholder

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xgXFsL and $100 lest for keyboard

ohh

monitor

alr more has to go

[stoic island]

Prob 3070 time

[jovial root]

Yeah, sorry... Probably should've been a smidge more specific.

[stoic island]

P31 price went up, check if s50 lite is cheaper atm

[native lynx]

very

its a great card too despite only being slightly better than the 3070

[ornate condor]

3070 with gddr6x memory

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hfrWtn

[ornate condor]

I would go for better cooler

nvm its 12400 . thought its 12600k

I mean I still would go for better cooler anyways

[mossy venture]

more than enough for a 12400

its enough for a 12600k at stock

[spice crown]

@mossy venture the pc you suggested me is the cpu cooling good enough? I've seen a lot of bad cpu coolers on prebuilts and idk how to install a new cpu cooler

[mossy venture]

and would be borderline enough with 12700f

[mossy venture]

i dont remember which that was

oh right

yeah its fine for a 10400f

and has good airflow overall, so itll be fine

[jovial root]

@mossy venture Thanks. I'm pulling these lists up. But I'm noticing the Intel / Nvidia theme. Is that the go-to nowadays?

[ornate condor]

I ended up adding 240mm aio to 12600k . its hot boy

[mossy venture]

cpu isnt hot anyways

[mossy venture]

currently 12th gen is better price/perf

12400 beats 5600x by a little bit and is cheaper

same with 5700x to 12600k, 12700k and 5900x

[ornate condor]

12600k is beast cpu

i5 line finally catched up

[mossy venture]

12400 def no slouch

enough for a 3090

[spice crown]

Is cpu cooling good enough on this build https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali560/p/N82E16883360190

[ornate condor]

its 11700f hmm

I don't like those kind of coolers anyway

[mossy venture]

it wont be insane, but isnt the best

11700f not worth anyways

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali629/p/N82E16883360294?Description=3060 ti abs&cm_re=3060_ti abs-_-83-360-294-_-Product

great price

12400= 5600x

[ornate condor]

stock cooler eww

[mossy venture]

better cpu perf, and easy to change

all in all itll be cheaper than the 1500 one

and have better cpu perf

case looks terrible though

[ornate condor]

yeah of course this one is better

but yeah case and cooler is odds

looks like no intake fans as well

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali586/p/N82E16883360221?Description=3070 abs&cm_re=3070_abs-_-83-360-221-_-Product this also exists

[spice crown]

Out of the 2 you suggested what would be better to get by price cpu and cpu cooling

[mossy venture]

gpu is more important than cpu for gaming

the 12400f one is cheaper, but temps on both cpu and gpu will be pretty bleh it looks like

and it looks like it cant fit that many fans

[ornate condor]

theres some cpu heavy games but mostly yes

[mossy venture]

looks like it can fit 3 on the bottom as intakes...

which would actually be fairly good

are you aight with open box builds?

[ornate condor]

eww buying open box from newegg

[spice crown]

What one would you suggest for a plug in and play bc ik nothing about putting cpu cooling or fans in also heard bad things about cpu cooling in pre-builts

[mossy venture]

theyve fixed their issues

[spice crown]

Rather not open dont trust it

[mossy venture]

alr few min

[spice crown]

Ok thanks

[calm oyster]

hey guys im building my first pc soon, i know what the components do and everything cus ive watched a lot of videos, but my main fear is mixing up the cables from the power supply, do you guys find that hard and what was your first build attempt like?

[mossy venture]

its easy

they are verty clear

whats your budget?

[calm oyster]

about 2k

2.2 is fine

[mossy venture]

aight few min as well

[mossy venture]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali568/p/N82E16883360198?Description=3060 ti abs&cm_re=3060_ti abs-_-83-360-198-_-Product id just do this

if you need to, you can change the heatsink. It isnt difficult

[mossy venture]

is that including monitor and stuff or just the tower

[calm oyster]

yeah. i picked all my parts from new egg with a monitor and keyboard + thermal paste for about 2k

just a little over

[mossy venture]

i would not do that

give me a few min

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dccmDq

[ornate condor]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/brxt78 I made that nonsense list lol

[mossy venture]

bruh

please no

[ornate condor]

12700k

[mossy venture]

$135 850w psu, 3080 10gb instead of 12gb, overpriced 4000d airflow, 2tb ssd with no point, c18 ram, and that aio...

and no mobo in that

[spice crown]

Whats heatsink

[still roost]

IGNITE#6969 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mossy venture]

cooler

[calm oyster]

sorry

thank you for that

[mossy venture]

mm

[ornate condor]

oh forgot mobo lmao

[ornate condor]

2tb ssd is fair for today ( thanks warzone lol )

[spice crown]

Idk anymore like I don't think I'll be getting a pre-built bc there is no one that's plug and play you always have to upgrade or replace something like the cpu cooler or the heatsink

[mossy venture]

the one i linked is plug and play

it wont be terrible high cpu temps

but if you want lower, than you can replace it

and it isnt very hard to change a heatsink

its 4 screws out, wipe paste off, put new paste on, 4 screws back on

[spice crown]

I would rather have a 1tb drive and a little better of a cpu but I guess that one will do

[mossy venture]

adding storage is also easy

two cables and youre done

or can always do an external hdd, if you really dont want to do those two cables

[ornate condor]

if it's nvme its more easy to build but little complex to replace couse you have to pull gpu out for room

[spice crown]

Whats wrong with the one I suggested its too expensive for the cpu

[mossy venture]

yes

overpriced for a 3060 ti build

[spice crown]

And also im really sorry if I'm being rude or arguing about this its just its so confusing on what to buy

[mossy venture]

youre fine

[spice crown]

Would it be worth it to pay a little more for a i5 11400

[mossy venture]

not really

10400f is good to pair with a 3060 ti, and 11400 builds are like $100 more

unless theres one that has more storage as well, then thats fine

[spice crown]

Btw here are some games I play 2k, fortnite, apex, valorant, gta, f1, forza, teardown, rocket league

[mossy venture]

what i said stands imo

[spice crown]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali583/p/N82E16883360218?Item=N82E16883360218&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-218-_-05032022

[mossy venture]

looks good

has a better heatsink too

[spice crown]

Is it better than what you suggested and more worth it

[mossy venture]

yea

with the extra storage, probably

[spice crown]

How about the cpu cooler

[mossy venture]

.

[spice crown]

Nvm sorry thanks for your help I've decided im gonna get the one I suggested good reviews thank you for everything

[little osprey]

😂 wtf

[high yew]

can anyone recommend a 240 aio that's white, doesn't have a huge rad, and and is compatible with a lga1700?

meaning that the cooler comes with said bracket

[viral ore]

lian li galahad

[high yew]

like $300 after taxes for cad, i should have mentioned. apologies

[viral ore]

whats 300 after taxes

https://www.amazon.ca/Lian-Li-Galahad-Liquid-Cooler/dp/B09P1D8HQ1

[potent portal]

https://www.newegg.ca/p/2YM-002Y-00007

[viral ore]

white tho

[potent portal]

D'oh

There's a white one out of stock

[viral ore]

only reason i suggested galahad

is there another white one?

couldnt recall off the top of my head

[potent portal]

Yeah they have a version with uni fans now

[viral ore]

huh

well i sent the amazon link for 176 + whatever tax ends up being @high yew

[high yew]

searching up galahad 240 there's about 4-5 diff ones that pop up, what's the difference between them all? different fans?

[viral ore]

fans, sizes, colors

the one i sent is what you were looking for

[frank stirrup]

the number at the end will be size

like 240 or 360

them they wil say colour

[high yew]

i know that, i meant different sizes of 120mm fans

WAIT

LMFAO

i meant different versions of 120mm fans

[frank stirrup]

and fans will be mentioned at the end only if unifan model

otherwise its the normal fans

[normal pagoda]

i got i7 1th gen radeon 6600x and 16 gigs ram 500ssd and 1000 gigs hdd
that good

[potent portal]

If by 1th gen you mean 11th gen then yes those are respectable base specs assuming the models aren't terrible.

[analog hearth]

@unborn mesa what case is that? it looks surprising modern for its design
#build-pics message

[unborn mesa]

Antec p120 ill send you link in a min

https://www.antec.com/product/case/p120-crystal

[analog hearth]

thanks

[unborn mesa]

Its on newegg if you check

Black is like 20 dollars cheaper

[analog hearth]

it’s interesting because I haven’t seen another case that’s so modern with a PSU shroud on the top of the case

[unborn mesa]

If you do get it i recommend 6 intake on bottom and back then one exhaust in rear

Its better looking compared to my other case

[spice crown]

@mossy venture I found another one for $150 more I can get a 3070 with an i7 11700f and a free monitor here's the link https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali581/p/N82E16883360216?Item=N82E16883360216&quicklink=true

[mossy venture]

Looks like a good deal

With the monitor added on that's great

[spice crown]

Better than yesterday's one I was gonna get?

[mossy venture]

Yeah

$250 more for a 3070 and that monitor is very worth it

And the better cpu too

[spice crown]

Only 150 more

[unborn mesa]

NexiGo Quantum-Flux Black ATX Mid-Tower Desktop Computer Gaming Case, Translucent Tempered Glass Panels with 6pcs 120mm LED RGB Fans Pre-Installed, and Remote Controller, 360mm Liquid Cooling Support https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081MWWQ65/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Y587HATE51HFRHJSGCZH?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Is this decent price for this case?

[humble zephyr]

Hello should i debloat my ckmputer

[idle citrus]

can someone find a great gaming pc for 1k?

[mossy venture]

Can you build yourself or do you want a pre built

[idle citrus]

doesn’t matter i prefer prebuilt but whichever one comes out best

ill do

[mossy venture]

Can do this for custom https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZPQBLs

Best you can do for pre built is 2060 or open box 3060

https://www.newegg.com/abs-computer-technologies-ali416/p/N82E16883102994?

[frigid night]

def build yourself 😛 it's quite fun and feels very rewarding.

[tight moat]

i changed a few items in my build idea, can some one review it give advice. i want to keep it cheap(disregard the monitor in the list)https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RHM6Dq

[fossil cedar]

That case is if you turned a p400a into an oven so no

[mossy venture]

Overpriced psu, rmx 850 is same price, and bitfenix formula gold 750 is same tier and $90

Other than that looks good

[fossil cedar]

We made you a list yesterday

[tight moat]

i have no clue what case to get lol

[mossy venture]

P400a digital is fine, albeit it a lil pricey

Could do p360a

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZW4jH2

[desert gulch]

doesnt that have teapo’s?

[tight moat]

thats a micro atx motherboard and it has no wifi

[fossil cedar]

Teapos?

[fossil cedar]

Nothing wrong with micro atx

[desert gulch]

ye

Thought it did

[fossil cedar]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JJMDZw

[tight moat]

is their a benifit to using a micro otx motherboard in an atx case?

[desert gulch]

cost

[fossil cedar]

What's teapos?

[desert gulch]

just a brand of caps

[tight moat]

does it make the build look empty or is it not a huge difference?

[fossil cedar]

It doesn't

[tight moat]

oh, thats sick

thanks

why doesn't everyone use use a micro atx then?

[desert gulch]

cxf is a couple bucks more after mir, id grab that instead

[fossil cedar]

Ehh mir is a pain, same tier

[desert gulch]

tier isnt everything

like look at amo, stock focus but A tier. Wouldn’t even use with most of ampere

plus cxf is a full mod which is nice

[fossil cedar]

Higher end boards usually aren't matx as much, some people think it looks weird without it for some reason, some people think you have to use an matx board with an matx case?

[tight moat]

can i get a micro atx case then?

[desert gulch]

if you want

[fossil cedar]

You can but there's not really good matx cases

[desert gulch]

building is a little tighter too

[fossil cedar]

And atx cases have better airflow potential

[desert gulch]

Mhmm

and upgrade potential for future huge gpus

[tight moat]

mid tower is okay

?

whats the best tower for its price

[fossil cedar]

The one in the list i sent @_@

[south cliff]

I just got my thermal paste and put it on my cpu now it’s turning on then off

Do I need to plug this front panel connector in?

The one to the left

Well I took one of the ram sticks out and it turned one of my monitors on

It goes to dram to cpu

The debug light

It seems to be a bad ram stick

[fossil cedar]

The only one you need is the power switch

But make sure it's in the right spot

[south cliff]

I took one out and I’m in the bios

[fossil cedar]

Just put take out the ram and put it back in, happens sometimes

[south cliff]

But it says boot failure

And something with the bios

Maybe I have to update it

I mean I restarted it and it says getting devices ready so

[desert gulch]

you dont

[south cliff]

I’m in

I’m going to put my other stick of ram and see if it’s that

[desert gulch]

What slots is the ram in?

like, the one currently working stick

[south cliff]

4

It’s not working with the other stick

[desert gulch]

if slot 2 wont work, try slot 3 with your second stick

[south cliff]

Ok

[desert gulch]

that would help narrow it down off the cpu’s imc

[south cliff]

Yeah when I put that stick of ram in it blinks dram cpu on debug

And doesn’t post and I put it in slot 4 the working one

[desert gulch]

hmm

So slot 3 wont work?

[south cliff]

And when I put the “working one in it posts

Should I clean it?

Or try to

Because

[tropic olive]

My pc literally doesn’t want to connect to my wifi and it was working fine until now and it just says “no internet, secured” any solutions?

[desert gulch]

idk

i gtg to class but another techie will probs help you, vader

[unborn mesa]

Whats a decent 2.5” ssd 2tb

[desert gulch]

im guessing its a bent pin thing or mounting pressure issue but hopefully not

[south cliff]

Ok

I will try to figure it out

[unborn mesa]

@south cliff whats not working

[south cliff]

Ram stick

[unborn mesa]

Is it not reading it or is the stick just nor working

[south cliff]

It won’t post when I put it in

But when I put the other one in it does

[unborn mesa]

Maybe faulty ram stick

[south cliff]

Yeah but I had it

[unborn mesa]

It was working before?

[south cliff]

Yes

[unborn mesa]

What ram stick is it

[south cliff]

Xpg 16 8x2 3000 cl16

[unborn mesa]

?

[south cliff]

No

[unborn mesa]

Not seeing it

[south cliff]

https://shop.xpg.com/xpg-gammix-d30-desktop-memory-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-3200mhz-cl16-red/

These but different spec

[south cliff]

Weird thing just happened I tried going to 3000 mhz and it doesn’t boot anymore

I’m going to take out the cmos

Nvm it didn’t work

[strong raft]

Mx500 is a good one. Deals are random for it. Once in a while the 2TB is $150-160.

[sharp temple]

How much of a hit would my performance take if I got gen 3 pcie riser vet gpu mount with a 3060?

[potent portal]

None

You'll just need to toggle the slot to gen 3 before installing the riser

[sharp temple]

Yeah I know that, but what is the difference between g3 and g4?

[frank stirrup]

bandwidth that the 3060 wont need anyway

[sharp temple]

Oh OK, so if I had like a higher Bw card then it would take a hit

[frank stirrup]

the physical slot is the same across generations of pcie

a few percent

[sharp temple]

Like a 3090

[frank stirrup]

not enough to worry about'

the only card that takes a decent perf hit from gen 3 is the 6500xt

[sharp temple]

Then why have a gen 4 or 3?

[frank stirrup]

all other cards are fine on gen 3

[frank stirrup]

GPUs arent the only things that run over pcie

[sharp temple]

Oh true

[strong raft]

Gen3 only limits something like 3090 or 3080 ti & it's less than 4% afaik

[frank stirrup]

pcie gen 4 is quite useless for most consumers, but the extra bandwidth is very nais for datacenter and server purposes

[sharp temple]

Ok, ok I somewhat understand now, thanks guys.

[strong raft]

It's partly just typical advancement. Z690 I think has a gen 5 slot, but pssh.

[frank stirrup]

gen 3 HEAVILY limits a 6500xt

[sharp temple]

Isn't there something like a gen 5 psu port?

Or something

Like in the making

[strong raft]

Yea, we weren't gonna talk about that pos.

[frank stirrup]

atx 3.0

[sharp temple]

Huh?

[frank stirrup]

there is no gen 5 psu port

the new psu thing is atx 3.0

[sharp temple]

Oh ok

[strong raft]

Up to 600w through 1 cable for gpus

[sharp temple]

What's it used for?

[frank stirrup]

gpus as of now

or rather will be used for gpus

[sharp temple]

Oh it's a better pcie port?

Essentially

[frank stirrup]

nope

power not data

[sharp temple]

I meant the 8 pin pcie

[strong raft]

Yes. That's the difference between port and slot rawr.

[frank stirrup]

kinda yeah

[sharp temple]

So then there will be this new port specifically for gpus and then the regular 8pin pcie for other devices?

[strong raft]

"Pcie" power is generally only for gpus anyways. That's why the cables are often labeled pcie

[sharp temple]

So they will be removed? Or will newer gpus have a different port?

[strong raft]

Idk but I figure maybe the psu GPU ports will just be changed a bit so old normal 8pin cables can't be hooked up.

[sharp temple]

OhOK, that make a bit more sense

[strong raft]

The port on most 40 series will be 2x6pin I think. That and the new cables good for up to 600w, lol. No doubt there'll be adapters to use w/ current psus.

[potent portal]

The next generation of GPUs will all use the new 16 pin (12+4) cable and will come with adapters. This new cable allows even high power GPUs to only use a single cable, instead of having to do 8+8+8 pins.

[stoic island]

They'd probably coexist again

Like how FE this gen had some 12 pins

And aib still went 3x8 pin

[potent portal]

Not if they want to be up to PCIe 5.0 spec, the new cable is required

[stoic island]

Dunno, we'll see, I'm expecting aibs to half still use 8 pins for backwards compatibility

[strong raft]

Ah not 12pin, my bad. 1 cable but it's still 16pin. Although it is neat since the old 2x8pin stuff generally just good for 300w. Too bad EPS wasn't used on gpus, idk if all the pcie sense wires were actually a big deal.

[potent portal]

I think the problem with the old cable is on the 8 pin connector, only 3 pins are used for power and the rest are ground or sense pins.
On the new connector, the 4 pins take care of the sense, so the 12 pin can have 6 12v and 6 ground for power. It's also a thicker gauge than the old standard.

[celest horizon]

I welcome our new cable standard overlords

[frank stirrup]

Me too

[broken sail]

im getting bored of everything and want to sell my pc

ryzen 5 2600
msi gtx 1660
asus b450f gaming
corsair 8x2 3200 rgb ram
wd nvme ssd 500gb
evga 650w b5
lian li 011 d
6 decent arctic fans

how much does anyone think i can get?

[celest sun]

$400-500 depending on build quality

[twin berry]

...?

actually

yeah thats not that far off tbh

@fossil cedar would probably be better at appraising it though

id say more 6-700

[celest sun]

you could always... give it to a less fortunate friend

[twin berry]

fr

[broken sail]

moneys tight

[strong raft]

Step 2: acquire friend (s).

[twin berry]

:(

[celest horizon]

Dress it up with some rgb and try your luck on facebook marketplace / craigslist

[broken sail]

hm noted

[south cliff]

I will be friend

[strong raft]

I now have 4 m.2 ssds & 3 mobo slots. Idk if I should try to sell 500GB sn550, keep for future use, or use in a pcie slot m.2 adapter. Curse those other ssd deals! Gonna be enough "fun" getting used to 4+ GB instead of 1.2GB & putting stuff on 2 drives other than the boot.

[south cliff]

i would keep for furture use

[south cliff]

i just ran my 12600k on cinebench r23 and i already did with my 9600k and wrote down th escore for multi core.my 9600k got a score of 6067 and my 12600k got 16871 thats a big improvment

but i was running 80 degrees on the 12600k so im going to make a fan curve\

[mossy venture]

What cooler?

[celest horizon]

What's wrong with 80c load on a 12600k

[mossy venture]

^

[south cliff]

kraken x73

but i had all my fans set to silent

i just put them on normal and see if that helps

[south cliff]

only at 4.5ghz tho

i wanna try and get 4.9 5ghz

[celest horizon]

So you're overvolting and underclocking? why?

[south cliff]

no its stock

havent done anyhting to it

[celest horizon]

12600k all core is 4.5?

[south cliff]

ye

[celest horizon]

oof

[south cliff]

4.5 4.6

between those

but as i said i had my fans on silent mode

i dont even know how to oc ut i will figure it out

[naive swan]

You could probably get the people over in #overclocking to help you with that

[strong raft]

Is this or something similar what you all might suggest when m.2 slots are full? https://www.amazon.com/M-2-Adapter-Aluminum-Heatsink-Solution/dp/B07JJTVGZM

[frigid night]

With a Arctic LFII 360 you could possibly get 5.2p 4.0e 1.28v around 88°c. I can at least.

[fossil cedar]

Prolly like $550-600

[unborn mesa]

Whats a asus rog strix rtx 2060 8gb worth atm

[fossil cedar]

Like ~280$

[unborn mesa]

Is it a decent card for its price?

[fossil cedar]

Depends on how much you can get it for lol

[unborn mesa]

Dudes asking 350 but ill probably offer 280 for it and see if he takes

[frigid night]

Try 250 first and then see what his answer is.

When haggling, try to start lower than the price you are willing to pay.. that way if they "meet in the middle" its closer to what you are willing to pay.

[unborn mesa]

True

[fossil cedar]

LOL

For 330 you can get an rx 6600 thats like 5% worse than a 3060

[unborn mesa]

6600 is at 380 atm where i lice

Live

6900xt and 6800xt are msrp

[mossy venture]

Are you in the US?

[unborn mesa]

Yea

Im guessing its only my microcenter

Unless prices have dropped in the past two weeks

[mossy venture]

One sec

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wdvdnQ/xfx-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-speedster-swft-210-video-card-rx-66xl8lfdq

[unborn mesa]

Would prefer buying microcenter since the guy im finding parts for cant buy online

[mossy venture]

Thats... stupid

[unborn mesa]

Dude doesnt have a bank account so🤷‍♂️

[mossy venture]

I'm not even gonna ask

[forest lava]

Can anyone help me find out why my PSU is running like a single turbine jet engine?

Every day I just get moments where it's just an irritating buzz sound

I wouldn't mind it if I didn't need to have it on my desk since my floor is carpeted

But I feel the vibration in my hands when I game

[unborn mesa]

Yup rather not

[forest lava]

I only get small moments of peace out of the day where the PSU is actually quiet

It's not blocked

[stoic island]

What PSU

Cx-m?

[forest lava]

Or filled with debris like dust

[forest lava]

Some EVGA 80+ white

[mossy venture]

What gpu and cpu do you have?

Sounds like that ain't a good psu and you might want a new one

[stoic island]

Probably a good idea to just replace it if you have a w1

[forest lava]

3050 single fan and a 5600x

[mossy venture]

Do you want room to upgrade gpu?

Or just function well right now

[forest lava]

I'm perfectly satisfied with the GPU and the overall performance of the PC as of now

It's good for 1k144hz

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3Hwkcf/corsair-cxf-550-w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020216-na

If you're fine with a rebate

[forest lava]

I'll get it when I'm not broke

thanks

[mossy venture]

If you dont like rebates there's this as well https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dn8bt6/asus-tuf-gaming-650-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-tuf-gaming-650b

[mossy venture]

There's a 3070 for $650 rn

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jKcG3C/evga-geforce-rtx-3070-lhr-8-gb-xc3-ultra-gaming-icx3-video-card-08g-p5-3755-kl

[gritty rover]

I got whiplash reading all of that but that’s a bomb pc

[mossy venture]

All of this hurts me

[gritty rover]

128gbs of ram

NASA wants to know his location

1600w psu…

[woeful fossil]

haven't bought anything yet, budget ~1500, use python modeling\maching learning - graphics applications

[mossy venture]

If the budget isn't a hard limit,
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JhVRKp

If it is https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cWNTY9

Or maybe 12700f 3070 build

[fossil cedar]

Id probably do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p2pJyK

[analog pulsar]

Pcpartpicker has this now

[unborn mesa]

Whats the price on all that

[sharp temple]

Wait there's a android app!!!!!

[gritty rover]

Probably at least $6k or something

[sharp temple]

For PCPP

[gritty rover]

He didn’t say

[unborn mesa]

I mean graphics alone 2k

[gritty rover]

True

Dude probably spent like $10k on it

[sharp temple]

Since when was there an android app!

[analog pulsar]

No

That's web

[gritty rover]

Plus the threadripper

[sharp temple]

Oh it looks funny...

[unborn mesa]

15tb of storage..

[gritty rover]

I have no clue what he gonna be doin

Maybe run a minecraft server

[analog pulsar]

Pcing duh

[gritty rover]

💀

Who pcing that much for 15tb of storage

[unborn mesa]

Minecraft with every mod ever made

[gritty rover]

Yup

[unborn mesa]

Nahh

Roblox

[gritty rover]

Fortnite in 16k

[analog pulsar]

Imm buy it

[gritty rover]

You do you

[unborn mesa]

The storage or that pc build

[gritty rover]

…

💀

[analog pulsar]

My internet slow so I like to download every steam game and epic game and other games on to my pc so when I wanna play them they are downloaded

[unborn mesa]

Ohh

[gritty rover]

Ooohh

[unborn mesa]

Makes sense

[gritty rover]

Fair

Mhm

[unborn mesa]

I got a 500gb ssd

[analog pulsar]

Also if he's yputube creator videos take a lot of storage

[gritty rover]

True, he’s a streamer and streams daily

[analog pulsar]

Linus even has a PB server going

[gritty rover]

What’s a PB

[analog pulsar]

Pedibyte

I think

[gritty rover]

OHH

[analog pulsar]

https://youtu.be/eCz-IixxR_k

Petabyte

[gritty rover]

Lookin pog

[unborn mesa]

How many drives did he use to get there

[woeful fossil]

I7 clock is 2.1 I5 is 3.7 How does that make sense?

[fossil cedar]

You're looking at the base clocks, they'll boost roughly to the high 4ghz if not 5ghz

[fossil cedar]

Except the messed up the ram part 😭

[analog pulsar]

[ornate condor]

This is what I need lol bored of buying 2tb ssds

[woeful fossil]

I'm curious, why set the base clock so low (2.1)?

[strong raft]

To save power & wear when it doesn't need to be 4+ Ghz. Turbo boost is a lot smart now than past setups.

[woeful fossil]

Thanks...

[frigid night]

@teal wraith What is that?

[teal wraith]

???

[teal wraith]

God speed and beyond https://youtube.com/shorts/6pZiSM86mKY?feature=share

[potent portal]

Servers basically, in a desktop form factor

[teal wraith]

Technically a tower form factor not a desktop

Due to the weight easily capable of breaking actual desks

[potent portal]

Sounds about right. Those 4 giant heatsinks plus all the drives, not exactly light

[teal wraith]

I mean this chassis with no hardware is already 130lbs

[teal wraith]

But Atleast it's built well unlike almost every gaming case I have seen

Real low guage aluminum

When your chassis is built well enough that you can comfortably use it as a step stool without any risk of damage or any deformation

Then it's built well

[rich void]

Uhhh there is such a thing as a product being overbuilt

Most people don't need a weight-bearing PC case

[potent portal]

Not when you need 99.9999% uptime

[rich void]

I'm not saying it's bad for a specific application I'm addressing the "gaming cases are built poorly" angle

You build a thing for an application

[unborn mesa]

Msi rx6600 8 gb for 350 new? Usd

[mossy venture]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wdvdnQ/xfx-radeon-rx-6600-8-gb-speedster-swft-210-video-card-rx-66xl8lfdq

[unborn mesa]

Seems better

[analog hearth]

bruh

why do you need 50 VMs

it really depends on what you're doing with the VMs

If I can ask, what kind of bots?

[stoic island]

Guess you're gonna need epyc or if Intel gets new xeons

2 cores or 2 threads per vm

Oh boi

What's your budget? Just a guess? @little osprey

[analog hearth]

damn who's paying for it

[stoic island]

Epyc won't be cheap, 9000$ per 64c chip and you'll prob want 2 chips

That kinda thing

Could prob do dual 7763 if you want

[analog hearth]

don't forget that Threadripper CPUs also have 64 cores and also cheaper (idk if that's an option though)

[stoic island]

No dual socket tr options

Some epyc chips will do 2p

[analog hearth]

oh yee

[stoic island]

Course it's more expensive

If you can afford to do 2 separate systems TR will prob end up cheaper

side note, you'd prob have to get it from SI for epyc systems

won't be building them

[sand falcon]

Cluster time

You could get all of that on a single server, but I think you'd be better off with something like kubernetes, where you have a collection of containers that you want to run and it automatically distributes it across multiple systems

https://www.advancedclustering.com/
This is my personal go to. They have really good customer support, just drop them a line, describe your application, and they'll get you a quote

[stoic island]

Just to fulfill my curiosity, it can cost like 30k$ for a dual 7713 system lol
https://www.thinkmate.com/system/a+-ultra-superserver-1024us-trt

[mossy venture]

seems reasonable

[stoic island]

But go listen to Bob, it'll most likely be much cheaper to get it from elsewhere

[celest horizon]

wrx80 could work. trx40 chips are cheaper, but you're limited to 256GB memory

[sand falcon]

Yup, people do that

https://geraldonit.com/2020/02/24/building-the-worlds-largest-raspberry-pi-cluster/
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/university-builds-cheap-supercomputer-with-raspberry-pi-and-legos/
https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/build-a-raspberry-pi-cluster-computer

[unborn mesa]

Is a 6700xt red devil for 400 usd decent?

[mossy venture]

thats great, id be weary of it being a scam

[unborn mesa]

In person buy

[mossy venture]

make sure you can test it

[unborn mesa]

Any idea how?

[mossy venture]

have a pc you can test it in

[unborn mesa]

Have mine but dont really wanna lug it across town and have to take out my 6900xt

[mossy venture]

$400 is a low price

sounds like scam price

[unborn mesa]

Yea i figured

[mossy venture]

not worth taking if unsure its working

[unborn mesa]

Because its retailing for 600 at microcenter

[mossy venture]

$500 on amazon or smthn

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8HBG3C/asrock-radeon-rx-6700-xt-12-gb-challenger-d-video-card-rx6700xt-cld-12g

[unborn mesa]

Yea its on discount for 559 instore but none instock

[snow obsidian]

I just started to save up for a pc Will take a while but for what it want, the long wait is worth

[little osprey]

would it make more sense to put a water cooler on the top or on the side

of the PC

[strong raft]

top = "better" (for the pump/rad), overall not a huge difference long as part of rad is above pump so air stays out of it. Of course there's the part of how top rad is usually exhaust and side mounted rad is probably intake. Rad as intake gets it the lowest temps but (slightly) effects case temps for, no issue really,.

[fossil cedar]

Either is fine, go for the largest your case fits imo rather than worrying about position too much, except bottom, that should only be used for custom loops n stuff

[celest horizon]

I really like top mounting aios, not a fan of running the hot-ish aio exhaust into the gpu

The effects of convection are insignificant for any pc use case

[mossy plaza]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7wxt78

anyone know what motherboard thats best for this build on a budget?

[obsidian wigeon]

That case is not good right at the beginning

[mossy plaza]

how?

[obsidian wigeon]

It doesn't have any vents for good airflow

But for mobo, you can get something like msi a-pro

The b550 of course

[mossy plaza]

it has a top n the back tho

[mossy plaza]

gotcha

[obsidian wigeon]

Eh, still not quite enough tbh

The optimal way is front intake

[mossy plaza]

thats all I got in my pc n it works fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯

hm

[obsidian wigeon]

mx330-g air is cheaper btw

It has mesh front

[mossy plaza]

hm alrighty I think im gonna stick with the case I have now though since my friend likes it n he doesnt like any rgb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RhrYcf/msi-mag-b550m-mortar-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-mag-b550m-mortar-wifi

this motherboard look nice?

[vague oracle]

Why focus on what your friend likes if it’s your build? Especially when you can get something functionally a lot better for cheaper

[mossy plaza]

nah its his build lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qL8Xk9

[obsidian wigeon]

You know, the rgb could be turned off

[mossy plaza]

this is the one for myself

[obsidian wigeon]

But that case doesn't have rgb afaik

It's got blue led only

[mossy plaza]

true but idk

either way its his choice n his money but yea ty

[obsidian wigeon]

Alright then

[south cliff]

rgb= overrated

[mossy plaza]

I only like a tiny bit tbh lol

[south cliff]

yeah but it gets annoying at night

[mossy plaza]

on the ram it looks kinda nice tbh

yea

[south cliff]

if its next to you

ram is fine with rgb

i dont really like rgb fans

[mossy plaza]

man especially if your pc fans are loud as hell

[mossy plaza]

same

[south cliff]

the only things rgb on my pc are my aio pump and my motherboard

but soon getting some trident z royal neo ram

[mossy plaza]

epicc

[obsidian wigeon]

rgb isn't overrated when you can just turn it off lol

i like rgb myself, but i just turn it off cause i use my rig to mine

[south cliff]

true

[obsidian wigeon]

can't have it bright in my sleep

how to "turn" rgb off is basically set it to black

and it just turns off

[south cliff]

but i dont like having rgb on every part of my setup

[obsidian wigeon]

you can still selectively turn one of rgb components on or off

[south cliff]

just my opinion

[mossy plaza]

this a good motherboard tho?

[south cliff]

yeah its good but i think a little pricy

what is your cpu

[naive swan]

I mean its an ITX its going to be somewhat pricy

[mossy plaza]

eventually my friends is gonna be https://pcpartpicker.com/product/g94BD3/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-37-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000065box

[south cliff]

so your cpu is the 5600x?

[mossy plaza]

prtty much

[naive swan]

Id recommend the 5600 instead tbh

[south cliff]

get a 5th gen ready motherboard

[mossy plaza]

why's that?

[south cliff]

i think its like a 20 -30 dollar diffrencew

[naive swan]

Basically same performance for cheaper

[south cliff]

but has lower frequncy or smt

[obsidian wigeon]

5600, oh yeah

essentially same perf, literally

it's only 1-2% behind 5600x

[mossy plaza]

alrighty gotcha

any suggestions on the motherboard tho?

[obsidian wigeon]

and puts out less heat

[potent portal]

https://youtu.be/ifI9nnmW5sg

[obsidian wigeon]

that b550 mortar is ok tbh

but how about intel?

[mossy plaza]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PgcG3C/amd-ryzen-5-5600-36-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000927box this one?

[obsidian wigeon]

12400 is even cheaper

[naive swan]

ya

[south cliff]

yeah intel has some good chips now

[obsidian wigeon]

and it's not dead end platform

am4 is at its end

[mossy plaza]

gotcha ty

[potent portal]

Ryzen is usually only recommended for upgrades and not new builds at this point in time

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[south cliff]

yeah becaseu new platform coming out?

[obsidian wigeon]

it's best to get intel rn

for new builds

[south cliff]

i have always had intel

[potent portal]

AM4 has run its course and AM5 is later this year, as well as 13th gen Intel

[south cliff]

i had a i5 2400 then a i3 9100f then a 9600k and now a 12600k

[obsidian wigeon]

13th gen intel is gonna use same socket as 12th

so that's a nice thing

possibly 14th too

[mossy plaza]

whats best for budget with intel?

[south cliff]

12400

[obsidian wigeon]

12400/12400F

[viral ore]

def not

[obsidian wigeon]

either that's cheaper

[viral ore]

intels not that nice kek

[potent portal]

Yeah at least they're sticking to their "2 gens per socket" thing so far, we'll see for 14th gen

[obsidian wigeon]

it is possible, if intel turns a good leaf idk

rn it's just a rumor

[south cliff]

haveing one stick of 8gb of ram sucks

[obsidian wigeon]

im gonna take it with a grain of salt

[naive swan]

Do you need the ITX case btw?

[south cliff]

thats a matx mobo

[potent portal]

AMD proved their "socket needs a refresh every 2 years" argument was total BS so now they might be forced to do 3-4 gens on a socket

[obsidian wigeon]

amd changed their mind and let x370 have 5000 support bios

[mossy plaza]

nah but my friend wants somethin not too big

[obsidian wigeon]

and even a320

[mossy plaza]

I just guessed ITX would suit him well but idk

[obsidian wigeon]

they promised that all am4 mobos will support any am4 ryzen

but at one moment they lied about it lmao

[potent portal]

Eh, Asrock kinda went against that and released 5000 series beta bios on some 300 boards

[obsidian wigeon]

true

asrock has always been against the rules

[mossy plaza]

pc partpicker doesnt even have intel cpus on it rn lol

[obsidian wigeon]

huh

remove mobo first

if it's still in your build

[mossy plaza]

oh alr

[south cliff]

aslo i havent reintalled windows yet since i got my new stuff

[naive swan]

is there a reason for the 650W PSU?

[potent portal]

Just like how they don't follow the official Intel spec for 12th gen, where PL1 is supposed to equal PL2; they reduced PL2 instead and put cheapo VRM lol

[potent portal]

650W is usually where the stuff worth buying starts at, any lower and they get really low quality and tier rating

Plus it leaves room to upgrade later

[obsidian wigeon]

^

[naive swan]

I was wondering because there wasn't a GPU in the build yet

[obsidian wigeon]

650w is where best bang for buck starts

anything lower isn't that worth it

[mossy plaza]

it was a recommendation and I'm prob gonna get my friend a fairly high gpu n not somethin low end

[mossy plaza]

too expensive and we're still not sure on it

its sorta just still for thought tbh

[potent portal]

A 650W can handle up to a 3070 ti, just fyi

[mossy plaza]

yea

[turbid vector]

Looking for recommendations on Monitor Arms, preferably with cable wells capable of thicker cables. 3 Monitors Total, SBS configuration.

[naive swan]

probably should ask in #old-monitors-and-tv

[snow obsidian]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GqsfyK Need opinons I'm constantly editing it tho so

All ssuggestions appreciated tbh

But the case is what im deadset on

[mossy plaza]

what motherboard should I pair with the Intel i5 - 12400F?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7fn8TW/cougar-mx330-g-air-atx-mid-tower-case-mx330-g-air

I paired it all with this case

[south cliff]

you dont need to spend alot of money on a mobo since you wont be oc

[potent portal]

Something B660 that isn't Asrock, MSI B660A-Pro is a good choice

The micro ATX model too if you're pinching pennies

[south cliff]

can someone help me oc my 12600k?

[mossy plaza]

damn

[south cliff]

pc part picker might not have it onb there sight

[mossy plaza]

yea they have others tho

[potent portal]

Nah they do I just might not have the model name exactly right

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KKbTwP/msi-pro-b660m-a-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660m-a-ddr4

[mossy plaza]

ohh

alrighty ty

[potent portal]

Full size https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FsfnTW/msi-pro-b660-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-b660-a-ddr4

[snow obsidian]

No opinions ?

[potent portal]

Is that a new build or do you have some of those parts already?

[mossy plaza]

that all look good?

[south cliff]

yeah i think it looks good

[snow obsidian]

It's a template. Once i have a dead set template, imma slowly buy everything

[south cliff]

wait is the 12400 a 6 core 12 thread?

[potent portal]

Ok, to start I'd avoid AMD and especially X570 right now

[potent portal]

yes

[south cliff]

get 12700k very good bang for the buck cpu

[snow obsidian]

Okok lemme make notes

[mossy plaza]

should I make any changes to this one or does it look solid so far?

[snow obsidian]

Okok what else

[south cliff]

can i see list again?

[snow obsidian]

Okoki