building-and-recc-chat

[jagged ember]

what cpu?

[prime plover]

ryzen 5 3600

[jagged ember]

okay so its def not bios version

[prime plover]

with the base fan included

[jagged ember]

is there any sign of life when you turn the pc on?

[prime plover]

the cpu fan studders, but other than that pretty much no

[jagged ember]

have you plugged in that cable labeled CPU into 1 yet?

[prime plover]

My gpu is a baby gpu so it probably isn't taking up much power.

[jagged ember]

doubt its that tbh

[prime plover]

Yeah so the 8 pins on the right are plugged in. The 4 on the left didn't seem to be needed.

[jagged ember]

okay so that's good

[prime plover]

Let me go replace the ram real fast.

Yeah replacing ram didn't do anything either.

It's a 650 watt power supply

gold

[jagged ember]

hm

you're plugged into the gpu port for your monitor right?

[prime plover]

I am using display port.

I am connecting the cable from the monitor to the gpu.

[jagged ember]

just checking; monitor is on and works?

[prime plover]

Monitor works just fine

[jagged ember]

okay

is the back fan spinning when you turn it on?

[prime plover]

no, neither is the front

[jagged ember]

okay

[prime plover]

I just have the back, front, and cpu fan.

[jagged ember]

try replugging the 24 pin connector

[prime plover]

ok

[jagged ember]

the fat one labeled 1

[prime plover]

Should I unplugg it from the power supply as well?

Or just the motherboard.

[jagged ember]

no, just the motherboard for now

[prime plover]

k

[jagged ember]

put some force into it, too

not like smash it into the motherboard, but a firm insert

[prime plover]

Yeah so pulled it out, put it back in with a firm click, same stuff.

I will say, the top right screw holding the motherboard in place keeps falling out when I replace the motherboard strip, but I have the rest of the 8 screws so I dont think that's the problem.

[jagged ember]

probs not

while you're at it, check all your other connections to

just make sure everything plugged into your psu is fully in, same for motherboard stuff

[prime plover]

So I doubt this would cause a problem, but I have my front fan plugged into #2 on the diagram. And I also have my cpu fan plugged into #2.

[jagged ember]

ones an aio pump

the other is a chassis fan

[prime plover]

that would be a problem

Oh wait no none of them are plugged into the aio pump.

there are 4 #2s in the diagram

[jagged ember]

shouldn't be a big problem, but i'd plug into this one instead

the 2 at the bottom there

[prime plover]

k

[muted patio]

Whic CPU power do you have plugged in? I see a CPU power plug floating in the breeze here

[jagged ember]

hi vintage pls help this mans pc isnt booting

[prime plover]

I have the 8 pin plugged in.

Let me go rerout my front fan real quick.

[muted patio]

What's the plug hanging out in your picture here?

That says CPU?

The plug in the upper left?

[prime plover]

Let me check...

🤣 It was the cpu. Plugged it back in with a click. Same problem still though. 🤣 I swear it used to be plugged in.

[jagged ember]

still doesn't boot?

[muted patio]

Single ram stick goes in slot A2, not B2

[prime plover]

Ok let me go fix that.

[jagged ember]

isnt a2 the one farthest to the right?

[prime plover]

yeah it was in a2.

[muted patio]

DO you have the 4 pin AND 8 pin CPU power plugged in?

[prime plover]

I checked the cords that came with the power supply and it doesn't seem like it.

[muted patio]

Upper left of the motherboard, check it. Both will make it not boot

[prime plover]

Oh well yeah the 4 ping doesn't have anything, can't find the cord that would go with it though.

I have another cord that is the same as the one I have right now, should I try it instead?

[muted patio]

What cord?

[prime plover]

The one labeled CPU that has 8 pins on each side.

Not on each side of the thing, but on each end of the cord.

I will say, the 24 pin motherboard connector connects to the power supply, but there is another connector that doesn't seem to have a purpose.

[muted patio]

Well, the 24 pin to the power supply will have two ends on the power supply side

It will be more than 24 pins

[prime plover]

Yeah..

[muted patio]

What power supply is this?

[prime plover]

Do you want watts or an actual name?

[muted patio]

Model name

[prime plover]

k

MSI 650GT power supply. 650 Watts.

80 plus gold certified.

[muted patio]

EVGA 650GT?

MSI power supplies are MPG

[prime plover]

MPG

Oh wait mistyped. A650GF

Sorry.

[muted patio]

The 24 pin power cable, where is it plugged in on the power supply?

[prime plover]

On the super long one.

Let me see if I can get an exact labeling

[muted patio]

I have a picture of the PSU up with the connections on the PSU

Typically the 24 pin power cable on the power supply side has two connectors

[prime plover]

Yeah.

I only plugged in the longer one.

[muted patio]

Well, you need both plugged in

Looks like it should be top 18 pin slot and the bottom motheboard slot

another 10 pin connector

[prime plover]

Oh I need both plugged in?

[muted patio]

If the motherboard power cable has two ends for the power supply, yes

[prime plover]

0 cents says that was the problem.

I thought that the smaller one was for like an atx mini or something. I don't really know power supplies.

[muted patio]

Both on the right, Motherboard side, have to be plugged in

[still roost]

CausticBanjo247#0247 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[prime plover]

It works.

That was a dumb problem on my end. 🤣 But at least I learned something. Next time I build a pc that will be the first thing I check.

[muted patio]

Excellent

I haven't even had my first cup of coffee yet XD

[prime plover]

Sorry. 🤣

[muted patio]

No worries

[prime plover]

I haven't had breakfast either.

[muted patio]

Go eat

[prime plover]

PC takes priority over health.

[muted patio]

Start windows install and have breakfast

[stoic island]

Breakfast time

[lyric thistle]

Mm yes

[muted patio]

coffee time

[lyric thistle]

I am eating wheat thins with chipotle almond sauce

[prime plover]

Thanks so much btw.

[muted patio]

YW

[muted patio]

It is, my bad. We got em though.

[jagged ember]

oh nice

another tip to add into my pc troubleshooting list

"check the actual psu plugs"

[last moat]

the GPU pricing on Alibaba is nuts man..

[jagged ember]

ew, ventus

[muted patio]

O.o

I wouldn't trust that

[jagged ember]

from personal experience i can definitely tell you the cooling will suffer

also, i wouldn't trust that

[muted patio]

RTX3080 for $400

[jagged ember]

it's probably a picture

[muted patio]

Yeah

That's a scam of some kind

[jagged ember]

if it's too good to be true...

well, you know

[honest ferry]

what

rtx 3080 for 400$

[muted patio]

Nah, it's a scam

[honest ferry]

the rtx 3070 my brother bought it for 500 euro

that means like 550$

[rich helm]

Imagine if it was some really rich dude that was going to set up mining rig with like 80 gpus but then Bitcoin and eth went down and decided to sell them all for under msrp

[honest ferry]

yes but why rtx 3080 for mining money

[muted patio]

Cuz it'll make you 10-12 dollars a day IIRC

[rich helm]

Cause it’s the most efficient

[muted patio]

3070 will do $6-7

[honest ferry]

per day

[jagged ember]

but why sell it on alibaba kek

[rich helm]

80*12 = 960 a day

[honest ferry]

🤓

[honest ferry]

i dont know

[muted patio]

My numbers might be off tho, I gotta double check

[jagged ember]

i don't know the first thing about mining

[rich helm]

Sounds about right

[honest ferry]

what 960$ per day

its not exist at some point

[rich helm]

If you had 80 3080s then you could make that much

[jagged ember]

someone i remember has 30 3000 series cards

all of them used for mining

[rich helm]

Some rich guy in Nevada had 78 3080 pny cards

[jagged ember]

a waste, i say

why not have them run cyberpunk in 16k

[rich helm]

I don’t think sli works like that

Mining is pretty epic

[jagged ember]

sli died

[honest ferry]

its money dude they do evrything for money 😅

[jagged ember]

hm, maybe 16k gaming on like 50 3080s won't work

[rich helm]

I have made 1/10 of my gpu cost back already

With very easy mining

[muted patio]

I made almost all of my 3070 cost back by selling my 2060 lol

[rich helm]

Not most profitable but easiest to do

[honest ferry]

i am having now llike 3k dollars to buy nice pc setup

[rich helm]

Got my hands on a 2060 right as they stopped production and returned it cause it didn’t fit in my case now I wish I didn’t lol

Good one too

[muted patio]

Right?

Mine sold for almost $500

I was floored

[rich helm]

Yeah I could of made like 200 buck profit

[rich helm]

Nice

[honest ferry]

im waiting to restock to get an rtx 3080 and an i9 11th gen

[rich helm]

3k with or without monitors

@honest ferry

[honest ferry]

no with evrything

[rich helm]

Oh I was gonna say if you didn’t need monitor s you could get 3090

In that budget

[honest ferry]

after month from now it will be 4500$

i want that pc fast because my potato pc making me MAD

[muted patio]

3090 isn't worth the premium over the 3080

So much more for so little performance

[honest ferry]

i know thats why i want 3080

because 3090 its waste of money

[haughty furnace]

Hey, guys at what components parts that will allow you to do live streaming, recording, and editing to make videos on YouTube?

[prime plover]

Windows is about to be installed.

[uncut pelican]

3700x and 3070 will do you good or a 5 5600x

[tacit pendant]

i use a 1060 6gb and 3600xt and its fine, although the editing part is a bit terrible to do with specs like mine

because the video preview always lags and sometimes not often though u can get out of vram errors

[remote kelp]

is it normal for an 8-pin pcie cable to only have 7 functional wires?

trying to reattach psu and just noticed the 8th wire on the pcie cable doesnt exist

[stoic island]

Might just be one of the ground for the 8 pin

[near garden]

What you guys think

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qvLGDc

[stoic island]

uh

@near garden 330$ for a 3060ti?

you sure you have the right price?

Should also change out the PSU

CXm has some interesting coil whine issues

[near garden]

Yeah

[remote kelp]

ah, yeah that's a definitely a ground pin

[near garden]

Do you know any good power supply?

[honest ferry]

all rtx 3000 series out of stock

demit

😡

[little osprey]

rip

[honest ferry]

i have a 2 week waiting to get an rtx 3080

[little osprey]

I got my 3070 and 3060 😎

newegg shuffle is best

[honest ferry]

how

i want to get an rtx 3080

[little osprey]

if you have microcenter around its your best chance

then bestbuy drops in every 2 week which is I never could grap one lol

[honest ferry]

iam just want an rtx 3080

[little osprey]

and newegg have better idea with shuffle and it's monday- thursday

[honest ferry]

ok

[little osprey]

https://www.newegg.com/product-shuffle

[honest ferry]

k

[stoic island]

@near garden that's a 3060 not a 3060ti

lol

And for the power supply, Phanteks amp 650w if that fits in your budget

[honest ferry]

🤓 you are genious

[stoic island]

If not, Segotep 600w/650w works

gp-g and sg-g are built on the same platform, both will do very well

[honest ferry]

[stoic island]

[honest ferry]

i am just waitiing for my new pc

[formal cosmos]

guys i really need help

my pc stutters after some time of playing video games

[stoic island]

yes

[formal cosmos]

it shows high fps but it feels like 40

when playing

[stoic island]

Those are frametime spikes

what parts

[formal cosmos]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rnm7ZZ

[stoic island]

Did you enable xmp? What game

[formal cosmos]

valorant

everything actually

but to fix it all i do is restart my pc

but that gets annoying

and my mouse has alittle delay when it happens

[stoic island]

Well, time to use afterburner+rtss and watch what happens when it does happen then

And did you enable xmp?

[formal cosmos]

idk what that is

and on nzxt cam

[stoic island]

ew cam...

[formal cosmos]

it says that my cpu is always on 4199mhz clock

is that normal?

[stoic island]

But go enable XMP for your ram in bios

that's 95% chance just cam being dumb and reporting boost clock if it keeps saying 4199

[formal cosmos]

is it hard to enable xmp

[stoic island]

no

it's like go into bios, go into memory section, find the xmp setting, click on it, select profile 1 and on, reboot, done

[formal cosmos]

ok

i’m here

and now confused

where should i go now?

is it already xmp?

it says a-xmp profile 1 and 2

[stoic island]

I don't remember simple MSI bios, go into advanced rq

[remote kelp]

i have another theory about my gpu issue .-.

that giant 24pin psu connector is ridiculously hard to get to clip into place

[stoic island]

Overclock settings iirc

[stoic island]

@remote kelp 24pin is notoriously hard to plug in, you'll need some force on it

Alright, that looks about right then

wack

[remote kelp]

my thumbs are like literally dead from making sure the psu got back in place

[stoic island]

my thumbs hurt every time I have to pull out the 24pin lol

piece of crap :P

[remote kelp]

lol i have literally meddled more with that 24pin in the last hour than since the day i first built it

[formal cosmos]

it literally gets so annoying when that problem happens

[remote kelp]

90% sure it didnt go in right the first time cuz i kinda just jammed it in

still kinda not going in right cuz i can just pull it straight out with some twiddling

[little osprey]

maybe temp problem 🤔

if it happens after playing little while

[remote kelp]

Did i do it right

Please say i did it right my thumbs literally have numb spots ;-;

[little osprey]

it looks like

[stoic island]

Looks right

[remote kelp]

Yaaay

[little osprey]

lol

congrats 😂

[prime plover]

Whats that graphics card over ther?

[remote kelp]

inb4 it still crashes

oh 3070

minecraft makes it crash and then it crashes all the time and apparently it's not the card's fault so either im missing software or something else is dying

[honest ferry]

you have an rtx 3070 and minecraft crashing

[little osprey]

OCCT test 🤔

[honest ferry]

whatttttttttttt

[remote kelp]

i legit dunno what's going on

it might be java cuz it tries to write in some null memory position and jumps off a cliff

occt test? o.o

[stoic island]

Go use OCCT, probably run the memory test first

[desert gulch]

Is the little latch on the 24 pin clicked in?

[remote kelp]

i think so? i heard some thud

and it's straight

[desert gulch]

Ok good

[honest ferry]

🤓

[little osprey]

probably driver issue or power issue . I recommend ddu driver and do OCCT test

[remote kelp]

im hoping it was cuz the 24pin wasnt plugged in properly the first time so power surge under load made it go kerblam

[stoic island]

https://www.ocbase.com/

[remote kelp]

i ddu'd the driver multiple times already x.x

it's weird cuz ive tried several benchmarks

[little osprey]

oh then run occt

[honest ferry]

what is this

[remote kelp]

it either crashes or it's amazingly perfect

[desert gulch]

You have cpu power plugged in?

[remote kelp]

there's no in between

not yet

[stoic island]

OCCT

[remote kelp]

still need to put everything else back together but i shall try occt

[stoic island]

It's a good stress test tool to test failures

[remote kelp]

im tilting toward driver or missing software but like, i've tried 457.51, 460.40 and now 460.71

[stoic island]

Only thing it's bad at doing is being a power virus, p95 and furmark can usually draw a good bit more power than it can

But OCCT will show you where the failure likely came from

[remote kelp]

meanwhile the rma guys tested 460.4 and said it was fine

kay i will give that a try

[stoic island]

Fair

[remote kelp]

for the minecraft thing, i tried something i googled which apparently helps you determine the crashing dll

and it's apparently the x64 opengl driver

assume it's trying to write to memory but it's null and instead it jumps off a cliff

[desert gulch]

Ig it could be psu problems

Do you have another psu?

[remote kelp]

nu but it's a corsair rm850

[desert gulch]

Im more leaning towards psu imo

Hmm yeah that's a good psu

[remote kelp]

that's why i reconnected it just now

couldve been bad connections

like, i heard the cpu connector click in properly the first time ever today .-.

[desert gulch]

Did you check connections to the psu?

[remote kelp]

i literally like unplugged everything the psu was plugged into and replugged

and made sure everything was like either thunking or clicking

cries in trying to get 24pin to click 10 times

[desert gulch]

Hmm

[remote kelp]

im still like in the process of putting it back together so

not sure if it'll crash again or not

it's weird cuz the day i got it back from rma and put it back in the pc i did 15mins of furmark and it was fine

then tried minecraft and it went downhill from there (i think)

[quasi hemlock]

Could anyone explain what a bios update for motherboard/cpu compatibility is. This is my first build.

[narrow sedge]

anything you guys wished you knew before getting a pc?

[wanton cliff]

what CPU/Motherboard do you have/plan on getting?

[quasi hemlock]

Do you mind if I just give you the full list?

I am revising it currently

[wanton cliff]

the parts are a lot stronger than people give them credit for, so dont worry too much about destroying them. This, however, does not give you permission to just destroy the parts.

[wanton cliff]

no

[quasi hemlock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MW3xj2

[wanton cliff]

I wouldnt get that board

or that CPU for that price, for that matter

lemme remake it for you

[quasi hemlock]

If you would like, go ahead

[prime plover]

Anyone know why Im having such GPU spikes? I only have discord and microsoft edge open?

The temperature is pretty stable, but the gpu usage is really high.

[narrow sedge]

tyy

[prime plover]

Another image.

[wanton cliff]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2mTQYg

[quasi hemlock]

Thanks

I had already gotten the case and ram, but thanks for the advice

Got them for the aesthetics if I’m being honest

[wanton cliff]

thats the worst reason to get a computer part

dont expect to be able to overclock well with that RAM

or have the greatest airflow with that case

[lyric thistle]

Well this isn't #overclocking so it's probably not a huge issue

[wanton cliff]

not the point

this is build chat

we recommend and anticipate for these things

im not going to go to #graphics-cards to recommend a GPU

or #cpus-mobo-and-memory

to recommend any of those

[remote kelp]

replugged everything back, so far so good, at least 6 heaven benchmarks and a furmark and nothing has offed itself yet

gna try occt now

[worldly seal]

I have a pc that's cycling fans exactly 3 times everytime it gets turned off bad psu? Also not reading boot drive (bad mobo)?

This is a cheap boot drive so could be the boot drive

[desert gulch]

M.2 or 2.5 inch ssd or 3.5 inch hdd?

[small osprey]

in terms of what

speed?

price?

amount of storage?

[worn wave]

What?

Did you read the post above?

[small osprey]

oh wait

read it as a separate question lmao

[worn wave]

lmao

[desert gulch]

Lol

I was wondering what drive they had cause I was gonna tell them to switch cables

Or mounting point

Or ports

Depending on what drive they goot

[stoic island]

uh

I was reading whoever wrote that before deleting

[worldly seal]

Team t force l5😋

[brittle tinsel]

how can you tell if a fan will daisy chain without buying em first?

[wanton cliff]

I think all 4pin fans can be daisy chaines

but just get a fan controller

easier

[brittle tinsel]

Fractal Design Define 7 Light ATX Mid Tower Case
this cases website specifications doesnt say it supports a rad but I was told it did.

the fans in question are
ARCTIC P14 PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fans

I am trying to avoid all this extra cost, time and difficulty as I am a first time pc builder

[wanton cliff]

those will daisy chain

[remote kelp]

oh

oh god

occt finding a ton of vram errors

and 3d test randomly gets cancelled like 7 seconds in

is that the test messing up or the gpu messing up .-.

[muted patio]

Mmmmm, I'm at odds with OCCT.

I can run prime 95 no problem yet the OCCT CPU test freaks out

[remote kelp]

it got to the point where occt shut itself down and i started getting artifacts

had to restart

[latent anvil]

hey uh hows this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nytvcT Trying to go for low 700 - mid 600. No cpu *yet bc prices are wack

[muted patio]

Yeah, the GPU test results aren't good

What's the GPU?

[remote kelp]

that 3070 i rma'd

and they said it was fine

so they sent it back as is

[muted patio]

-_-

re the fans ramping up?

[remote kelp]

if benchmark doesnt crash

then fans work

[muted patio]

what power supply?

[remote kelp]

corsair rm850

i literally reconnected the entire psu earlier

to eliminate bad cable connections

[blazing aurora]

gpu prices are worse then cpu prices

[muted patio]

At that price point

Intel 10400F and B560 MB

[blazing aurora]

I'd get a different psu

[muted patio]

more perofrmance than Ryzen 3600

[latent anvil]

ok

[muted patio]

B560 motherboards aren't in PCPP yet though

Have to add it manually

This should be really close to your budget with a GPU https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZtL8vf

With a 1 TB NVME too

[hollow grail]

owo

wher gpu

[muted patio]

That's up to them

They had one listed for $189 so...not sure where they gonna get it

[pine kayak]

the ram could be cheaper

[hollow grail]

the ram could also be better

[pine kayak]

10400f doesnt support 3200

[hollow grail]

silicon power is kind of a meme tbh

[muted patio]

yes it does

Bet

[hollow grail]

like some of their stuff is okay but for the most part its meme

[pine kayak]

@muted patio

[muted patio]

AMD doesn't support faster than 3200 either

🤷

But it works

I'm telling you, it will support 3200 no problem

If don't believe, go check benchmarks lol

[hollow grail]

no like why not just use 2666

[latent anvil]

huh

[muted patio]

wat

[stoic island]

It doesn't "support" it natively, but it will work

[muted patio]

AMD doesn't support fast ram natively either but it's a thing

[hollow grail]

oh wait did intel stop doing the chipset limitation thing with b560

[stoic island]

@hollow grail look at GN testing, really big hit to performance

[latent anvil]

honestly the market is so fuckied i will probably just wait a few months

[stoic island]

Yea

[hollow grail]

oh pog

[muted patio]

YES

[stoic island]

B560 no limito ram freq

[pine kayak]

@latent anvil better of like that

[muted patio]

Not really, can build a really decent system still

Just GPU is PITA

[pine kayak]

@muted patio i just look and ryzen 5 3600 support speed is 3600

[stoic island]

Lol what

[muted patio]

"
System Memory Specification
Up to 3200MHz"

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-3600

Check it

[stoic island]

AMD says up to 3200mhz lel

[muted patio]

Bruh, you can run faster ram with Intel and it makes a big difference

[stoic island]

Yet basically everyone uses 3600mhz

[muted patio]

Trust

[pine kayak]

oh ok your right

[stoic island]

Look at the difference from GN testing of 2666mhz vs 3200mhz
https://youtu.be/csFwlKgZCzM

[muted patio]

Although INtel after 3200 is diminishing returns

[stoic island]

With 3200mhz the 10400 beats 3600, with 2666mhz it like trails behind 3300x lel

[muted patio]

Yep

And with B560

There are no more ram restrictions

[stoic island]

Good times

[muted patio]

Cuz B460 yeah, it won't go faster than 2666

Intel so confusing

Some B450 AMD boards restrict it too but only the really cheap ones

[brittle tinsel]

how would one get amd to run 3600 mhz? i thought amd only supports upto 3200

[muted patio]

Nope

[brittle tinsel]

or would a b550 support 3600

[muted patio]

Just get 3600 mhz ram, make sure MB supports 3600 mhz, plug and play

[stoic island]

I'm running 3600mhz ram on a b450 board for a 3800x atm

So yea

[muted patio]

Most B450 and all B550 do

SOME B450 doesn't tho

[latent anvil]

will prices/stock etc be back to semi normal by like june?

[muted patio]

Check specs

[muted patio]

Literally no way to tell

[latent anvil]

ugh

[stoic island]

@muted patio tho it's not chipset limitation, just board being bad

[muted patio]

I understand

Doesn't change the fact that some B450 boards won't do 3600 tho

[stoic island]

Did a520 have a cap?

[muted patio]

Mebbe?

Doesn't look like it

Checked Aorus and Asrock, they didn't

[stoic island]

Alright

[brittle tinsel]

my board only says 5100oc but 3200jedec, any translations for a noob

[muted patio]

JEDEC is just standard ram speed

XMP is overclocked, which is the 5100 speed

A lot of DDR 4 ram is 2133 JEDEC for example

But XMP is 3600

Or 3200

[brittle tinsel]

so MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard isnt 3600 plug and play since the jedec is 3200?

[muted patio]

@stoic island Here for example. matisse CPU, max speed 3200 "AMD Ryzen series CPUs (Matisse) support DDR4 3200/ 2933/ 2667/ 2400/ 2133 ECC & non-ECC, un-buffered memory" https://www.newegg.com/asrock-b450m-steel-legend/p/N82E16813157868

Asrock is particularly bad about it

Yes, it IS plug and play

[muted patio]

yes it's plug and play

Disregard JEDEC

Forget it exists

Go here: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B550-TOMAHAWK/Specification

[brittle tinsel]

ok but I dont know how to go into bios to do xmp or set it to 3600, my currently build doesnt even have xmp

[muted patio]

It should

[stoic island]

@muted patio uh it says 3533+ oc

[muted patio]

matisse bro

[brittle tinsel]

its some off brand board for a i5 3570

[muted patio]

Ryzen 3000

[brittle tinsel]

prebuilt I bought 4 years ago

[muted patio]

OH, boards that old may not

[stoic island]

The heck

[muted patio]

yeah man

[stoic island]

Isn't pinnacle ridge Zen+ now I think about it

[muted patio]

yes

Old stuff

That's what I'm saying, gotta read carefully lol

[stoic island]

Why does older gen support higher mem freq

Wat

[muted patio]

I know

I don't get it either but it is what it is with some boards

[stoic island]

Everything but matisse can do above 3200 wth

[muted patio]

I've seen this on a few occassions now

Only the really cheap boards

Mostly Asrock

Not something we'd typically recommend

But it exists

[stoic island]

Weird

Might need to look into it later

[muted patio]

Overall the board still won't hit 3600 no matter what CPU it has

[little osprey]

does notcua Noctua NH-U14S have clearence for vengeance pro ? 🤔

[stoic island]

@little osprey should be just fine, shouldn't even hang over the slot

[little osprey]

corsair have 51mm height

but couldn't find sizes of notcua lol

[stoic island]

It doesn't hang over the ram slot, or shouldn't

Soo technically infinity

[hollow grail]

@worn wave curious what youre using that workstation for lol

[worn wave]

Solidworks

and for fun

[hollow grail]

threadripper builds r fun

yeee

what are the final specs gonna be?

[worn wave]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/psBXNP

[little osprey]

my rams are taller lol

[stoic island]

@little osprey look at right side

See how it doesn't hang outside of the "AMD socket zone"?

[hollow grail]

lmaooooo radeon pro

[stoic island]

Or whatever socket you use

[hollow grail]

good meme

[worn wave]

ikr

[hollow grail]

what are the actual specs gonna be

[worn wave]

Most likely RTX 4000

[little osprey]

oh my mobo is z490

[hollow grail]

oh nice

[still roost]

Zagdrath#5577 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow grail]

kek

[stoic island]

Doesn't matter

[worn wave]

maybe the W5700 because I would like to mess with it

[hollow grail]

also for some reason i thought that was gonna be a threadripper build

[worn wave]

depends on whats in stock at the right price tbh

[hollow grail]

im too high

[stoic island]

Point is, the heatsink doesn't hang over the ram

[hollow grail]

and no dont use amd for any kind of actual work

[worn wave]

lmao

[hollow grail]

you will regret so hard

like fr

[little osprey]

thanks mate . i joining into air cooling gang lol

[stoic island]

:)

[worn wave]

This 100% is not the best for Solidworks but I am just building with parts I wanted to

[little osprey]

RMAd air cooler xd

[worn wave]

Intel and Nvidia is better for Solidworks

[hollow grail]

yeah but amd gpus are best at nothing

[gusty pasture]

uhh

[hollow grail]

except if your pc build goal is getting laughed at

kek

[gusty pasture]

6900xt is like a 3080 oc

[worn wave]

Hopefully I can get a RTX 4000 for a decent price

[hollow grail]

except its bad

[gusty pasture]

y

[hollow grail]

at literally any kind of actual work

but ppl with tiny gamer brains only care about fps

[gusty pasture]

like waht

[worn wave]

Nvidia has always and will always be the king for Workstation tasks

[hollow grail]

amd gets bodied hard by nvidia

for any kind of productivity

[gusty pasture]

their not as bad a s they used to be u have to admit

[hollow grail]

no ur right

theyre actually worse now :))

[worn wave]

For workstation and productivity tasks though, its a different story

[stoic island]

Intel does have some more features than AMD

[hollow grail]

back when a lot of stuff wasnt cuda optimized

amd actually was not the worst choice

[gusty pasture]

im just saying amd gpus arent TERRIBLE for games

[hollow grail]

but now that most things are

[worn wave]

We are not talking about gaming that much here

[gusty pasture]

oh

[hollow grail]

amd is just terrible

[gusty pasture]

nope

[worn wave]

Yes, in terms of GPUs

[hollow grail]

found the amd gpu owner

[gusty pasture]

yes

[hollow grail]

[worn wave]

They work but Nvidia is pretty much better

RX 570 and RX 580 was a banger of a budget GPU when you could get them for super cheap though

[stoic island]

What's the latest workstation focused AMD gpu?

Does vii count?

[worn wave]

W5500 and W5700

Radeon Pro VII also exists

[stoic island]

Fun

[junior crescent]

I'm looking for a parts list for Ultra settings 1440p Gaming, Streaming and 1440p editing, My budget is 2000 Usd, I don't want any RGB

[stoic island]

@junior crescent including monitor or no

[still roost]

mahd sadq#0671 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[worn wave]

P2200 beats the W5500 alot in pretty much everything for about the same price

[gusty pasture]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQD98_HFT68&t=730s

[junior crescent]

No @stoic island

[stoic island]

Quadro p2000?

[worn wave]

P2200

[stoic island]

Hm

[worn wave]

Updated version of P2000 for solidworks

and other applications

[stoic island]

I remember a p2000 but not a p2200

[worn wave]

https://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-p2200

[hollow grail]

cody u should buy my msi

[worn wave]

MSI what

[stoic island]

@junior crescent can you assume you can get GPU at msrp?

The company duh

[hollow grail]

p3200 and i9 8th gen laptop

[worn wave]

nah

[hollow grail]

[worn wave]

I use a older Dell workstation laptop

[little osprey]

omg this emoji is so cool lol

it makes me laugh xd

[hollow grail]

ikr

[stoic island]

[worn wave]

4th gen i7, 32GB RAM, some Quadro K2400 or something idk

[little osprey]

rip xd

[worn wave]

kinda forgot i had it

[stoic island]

Welp, onto editing a list on mobile

@junior crescent this should do well, ASSUMING YOU CAN GET CPU AND GPU AT MSRP
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HXqCkX

If you can't grab the cpu, you can swap for a 10850k+z490 mobo

[brittle tinsel]

are there any good 140mm fans preferably without rgb that I can get ahold of atleast 6 maybe 8 or 10 for $60 usd?

[stoic island]

Hm

[worn wave]

This is a 5 pack

[stoic island]

P12 is 120mm

Not 140mm

[worn wave]

wrong link

meant to post P14

[stoic island]

P14 pack is out of stock on amazon

But yea, Arctic p14 is your best bet

[worn wave]

https://www.newegg.com/arctic-cooling-acfan00125a-case-fan/p/N82E16835186221

[brittle tinsel]

p14 is what I have in my list but the price is 45.99, for 5 my pc has 6 slots and I wouldnt mind an extra incase of a fan error

[wanton cliff]

think Totally Accurate BattleGrounds could realistically run on a 1650Ti with alright pef? at least 60 fps on 1080p?

[stoic island]

Well, you don't have to fill up every fan slot, and you actually shouldn't just always aim to fill all of it up

[brittle tinsel]

ugh those are fluid, not magnetic too

[worn wave]

Sometimes it can be bad actually

[stoic island]

You sure? I'm pretty sure p12/p14 was ball bearing

[small osprey]

fluid dynamic bearings are good

[worn wave]

maglev fans will be expensive also

[small osprey]

nah they’re fluid

[stoic island]

NVM it's the p12/p14 co that are DBB

[worn wave]

Continuous Operation model aint sold in 5 packs tho

[brittle tinsel]

Fractal Design Define 7 Light ATX Mid Tower Case
is what I have,it says it has 9 fan slots, doesnt say anything on their website about radiators but I was told I could mmount a 360 in the top

[worn wave]

For the Define 7 I would recommend 2 140s in the front and 1 120/140 in the back

[brittle tinsel]

Ive heard if there mounted in the specific way these will be in, dust will cause issues

[worn wave]

Just dust your system

[small osprey]

really?

[worn wave]

Which you should be doing anyway

[brittle tinsel]

will that maintain cooling? because this build will be used extensively everyday only break it gets is when I go to sleep

[worn wave]

They should not collect dust unless the motor is exposed

[small osprey]

what does that have to do with the bearings tho

[worn wave]

Dust inside bearings is a big no no

It will dry the fluid

[brittle tinsel]

the dust gets in the fluid bearing and screws em

[junior crescent]

Does the Asus x570-f support a 5900x and be able to oc??

[brittle tinsel]

but I dont think dusting the system will help that

[worn wave]

It will

[small osprey]

why would dust get into the bearings tho

[stoic island]

found specs for radiators btw

[worn wave]

The hubs aint exposed

They wont get into the bearings anyway

It's only a problem in industrial enviroments like sawdust

[elder wren]

Should I get an MSI B550M Mortar WiFi over the MSI B450M Bazooka Max WiFi? (100 CAD price difference)

I am plan on using a Ryzen 5 3600 with it. Being said, the B450M Bazooka does not have an M.2 SSD heatsink which is apparently pretty important?

[brittle tinsel]

is that the Design Define 7 Light

[junior crescent]

Does the Asus x570-f support a 5900x and be able to oc??

[stoic island]

It's the Define 7

[worn wave]

If you really are that worried about dust then go Noctua Industrial PPC lmao

[stoic island]

@junior crescent it'll do fine

@elder wren what pricing do you see for both of em?

[junior crescent]

Ok, Thanks

[brittle tinsel]

dude those are 30 per fan

[worn wave]

exactly...

so stop worrying so much

[elder wren]

110 CAD for the B450M and 210 CAD for the B550M Mortar Wifi

[small osprey]

the m.2 heatsink is NOT important

[muted patio]

UNless Gen 4

Then it's important lol

[small osprey]

but if you’re gonna buy those mobos then you prolly dont have gen 4

[muted patio]

Gen 4 drives get hot, Gen 3 is fine

Right

[stoic island]

@elder wren what about the B550m Pro-vdh wifi at 144cad?

[elder wren]

Plan on using a WD SN 750

[muted patio]

Just throwing it out there

[small osprey]

its fine

[stoic island]

Just sounded like a really big price difference between b450 and b550 to me

[small osprey]

you dont need heatsink for that drive

[stoic island]

https://www.vuugo.com/msi-motherboards-B550MPVDHWIFI.html

[worn wave]

PRO-VDH WIFI is much better for the price

[elder wren]

Is that motherboard much better?

Also that retailer is apparently not trustworthy

[worn wave]

For the price its much better.

[stoic island]

Who said it's not trustworthy..?

It should be trustworthy enough if it's on pcpp

[brittle tinsel]

is 120mm or 140mm better

?

[stoic island]

bigger fan = mo better generally

[worn wave]

Depends on the fan though

[muted patio]

Hmmmm

[stoic island]

It's p12 against p14 so

afaik

[muted patio]

Reviews aren't great for Vuugo

[worn wave]

and blade size and if its airflow or pressure optimizsed

[stoic island]

@muted patio nor are reviews for wegg

[muted patio]

Yeah but their low prices are offset with ridiculous shipping

[brittle tinsel]

im reading this arcticle and it says the size doesnt matter if the 120 has more RPM than its gonna have better airflow

[stoic island]

interesting

@brittle tinsel well, it's the same fan in the case of the comparison

[worn wave]

high RPM 120mm will be similar to a low RPM 140mm generally

[stoic island]

should be similar rpm

[worn wave]

or did i get that backwards

[brittle tinsel]

ah

[worn wave]

something like that

[brittle tinsel]

wondering cauese I can get 8 120mm 1200 rpm fans for $34 plus $.99 shipping

[worn wave]

What fans

[brittle tinsel]

COOLER MASTER R4-S2S-124K-GP Silent Case Fan

[stoic island]

hm

[worn wave]

They aint PWM and they look very old

[brittle tinsel]

pwm?

[stoic island]

wacky fans

Looks kinda sus ngl

can't really find testing for it

[brittle tinsel]

ive got $63.27 to spend on fans, and I would prefer 140mm and anything but fluid bearing, I have 6 open fan slots and I dont know what to get

[stoic island]

and rpm doesn't exactly tell you anything about actual airflow

[brittle tinsel]

I could just get the actic but those are fluid bearing

[worn wave]

Fluid Bearing is fine

[stoic island]

I mean, fluid bearing isn't bad at all when the fan is good

[brittle tinsel]

its really dusty here bro

[worn wave]

You dont need to worry about dust or anything getting in the bearings unless you are literally in a woodshop

[brittle tinsel]

....

for the time being I pretty much am

[worn wave]

You have woodshop level amounts of sawdust being thrown around your computer

Do you realize the Define 7 has filters for a reason right

[brittle tinsel]

I mean, we are in the middle of remodeling to sell and move

[worn wave]

Filters exist on cases for a reason, I promise you it wont be a level of damaging to the fans

[brittle tinsel]

alright, but I was just trying to ensure this build lasts longer than my prebuilt did

[worn wave]

If you are so worried about reliable fans why would you buy some generic crappy ones

[stoic island]

If you're really concerned, grab some Arctic P14 co

those are dual ball bearing

[muted patio]

What are P12's, fluid?

[worn wave]

normal ones are

[brittle tinsel]

p12 and p14 is

[stoic island]

I guess so, I never really checked

[worn wave]

CO are continuous operation

[brittle tinsel]

are those daisy chainable?

[worn wave]

Not afaik

Fans rarely are

[stoic island]

I thought they were PWM PST co

one sec

yea they are PST

[worn wave]

Unless your computer looks like this your fans will most likely not die

I am telling you this from experience, I have worked on many computers that were used in woodshops and never cleaned for multiple years.

[little osprey]

how????

[worn wave]

Great question

[little osprey]

the fans shouldn't have been able to run that long

tfg

tf

[stoic island]

maybe just dusty place and not being used

[brittle tinsel]

im talking like I can take the glass panel off after a week, blow it out with some air and boom looks like a sand storm

[potent portal]

I've literally seen a computer this bad. It was a Windows 98, the motherboard was dying. With all the cat hair in it and orange (smoky) dust I'm surprised it lasted so long.

[eager chasm]

how did you get my childhood computer? lol

[potent portal]

That wasn't even the worst part, the company I worked for did house calls mostly for repairs. The rest of their house looked like the inside of that computer except with the addition of cat feces mixed in.

Might not have looked so bad if it wasn't wood floors

[crude totem]

Does anyone know if I take the memory and GPU out of my Alienware aurora r7 for a new build will cause problems or not, I’ll eventually put the parts back in the Alienware, but it’s hard to get a modern gpu for a fair price, and I’m still saving up for ram

[stoic island]

Should be able to, but it'd still have to be compatible, i.e. ddr3 ram won't be going into a ddr4 ram slot

[crude totem]

Nah, it’s DDR4 ram and a 1080 Ti, I was just gonna use them to get windows installed and see if it’ll post. It’s my first build so I’m a bit impatient/excited to get it going

[stoic island]

Should be fine

[muted patio]

No reason you can't

The RAM is probably slow tho

Considering it's a prebiult

[crude totem]

Right, just trying to get it to boot and act semi normal. I'll have the RAM in about a week and it'll be a lot faster

Thank you though!

[muted patio]

YW, should be good to go

[little leaf]

https://www.amazon.com/Omnidirectional-Bluetooth-Wireless-Wildlife-Thinkcentre/dp/B08FLGM3T3/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=TREADALT-TEC&qid=1614311504&sr=8-6 will this work for the https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-MAX-WIFI/Overview

[worn wave]

Yes

[little leaf]

K just making sure

[muted patio]

is it WIFI 6 though?

[little leaf]

Dont know would have to ask him bu i doubt it

[muted patio]

Ah, nevermind

[little leaf]

His internet is pretty old

[muted patio]

Those antennas are good for hte AX/AC spec

[worn wave]

Thats a B450 board

That is not WiFi 6

[plush flame]

hello, I'm looking at building my first gaming computer and I'm looking for advice on GPU/Motherboard. Would https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-tuf-rtx3060ti-o8g-gaming/p/N82E16814126471?Item=N82E16814126471 and https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144305?Item=N82E16813144305 be a good combo? Should I look for a motherboard with PCIe 4.0 instead?

[muted patio]

that'll do just fine

NO difference between Gen 3 and 4 with GPU's

Unless you're mining

[plush flame]

ok cool, thank you

it says 2.7 slot width, I should be good there too with that motherboard?

[little leaf]

Yes

[potent portal]

PCI is a standardized size

[plush flame]

what's the slot width exactly then?

[little leaf]

Thats more of case

How wide it is

[plush flame]

ah gotcha

[potent portal]

Oh you mean the height of the gpu

[plush flame]

ya

[potent portal]

Meaning it would take up as much space as roughly 3 of the PCI slot covers on the back of a case

[plush flame]

👍

[uncut pelican]

So

How are you guys today

[wanton cliff]

eh

its been a day

pretty good relatively speaking but compared to your average day it was much, much worse im sure

[uncut pelican]

I got my depression/anxiety meds today

I am friggin terrified for monday

We go back to school like to the build

[ornate solstice]

Does anyone know why my pc crashes while playing games

[stoic island]

BSODs or just shut off?

[wanton cliff]

im calling it now

its a driver issue

[stoic island]

I mean

80% chance it's software in general imo

[wanton cliff]

im calling drivers in general

[hexed hull]

Yo who can help me figure sum out?

[potent portal]

Any number of us depending on the problem

[hexed hull]

My aio arrived and the pump power is 3 pin and not 4 pin

[potent portal]

It'll still work but might be a touch louder

[little osprey]

How good is a 3060 for a little for ediiting and mostly gaming?

[hexed hull]

It says its supposed to be 4 pin

[potent portal]

3 pin works on 4 pin, and vice versa

[hexed hull]

Yeah but the deepcool installation guide video said it was 4 pin

[wanton cliff]

its meant to be a budget editing GPU, what with the 12gb VRAM and all

gaming is about 2060s/2070s level

[potent portal]

It tends to fall between a 2060 super and 2070

[potent portal]

That's fine, not all guides are updated for every possible model variant, it'll still work

[ornate solstice]

What does that mean? It restarts while I’m playing

[little osprey]

Im planning on entering the shuffle and im gonna try to go for the 3060 series.

[potent portal]

It just goes right to a black screen and reboots? Or a blue screen first?

[wanton cliff]

a BSOD is when the screen turns blue and the computer restarts. A crash can mean any number of things

a BSOD technically is a crash but its the most well known type of crash

[ornate solstice]

It goes black then restarts

[stoic island]

BSOD stands for Blue Screen of Death, it's crashing, but it's more of a 'soft' crash, since windows can tell you what's up, and points more towards software issues

When it just shuts off (goes to black) , there is a higher chance of there being something hardware based that I'd check first

[ornate solstice]

How do I check

[stoic island]

Checking things one by one to find the fault

[ornate solstice]

Ok man it usually only does it while playing cod

And that’s the game I play the most

[potent portal]

That's a power vampire game for sure

[stoic island]

So, first things to check would be CPU/GPU/Ram, like using OCCT to run through the CPU test, GPU test, and the Ram test

and then I'd check GPU drivers for sure, and check other mobo drivers

[potent portal]

Specs are a good start too

[wanton cliff]

especially PSU and GPU specs

[ornate solstice]

Idk what psu I have

[potent portal]

You can take pictures of the sides where it says the brand/model and the white sticker

[wanton cliff]

do you know the wattage at least?

[ornate solstice]

650w

[wanton cliff]

with what card

[ornate solstice]

5700xt

[wanton cliff]

and potentially CPU as well

[ornate solstice]

R7 3700x

[wanton cliff]

not so different from my setup a couple weeks ago

you should be fine as far as wattage goes then

perhaps your RAM? Try reseating it.

[ornate solstice]

Ok

[potent portal]

It could still be the PSU if it's a bad model. Some are known to literally catch fire.

[wanton cliff]

yeah but thats usually because of bad OCP

and cheap caps

but a 650w PSU with a 5700 XT will be absolutely fine

even so, PSU model number cant hurt

[potent portal]

The devil is in the details in the computer world

[wanton cliff]

very true

especially when troubleshooting

hey, we blew up B!

[sacred turtle]

Hi anyone know what a good intel lga 1151 cpu is to put in a build with a 1650??

[potent portal]

At what budget?

[wanton cliff]

isnt Socket 1151 super dead?

[sacred turtle]

£250

@wanton cliff idk

[potent portal]

GBP? Or Euros? Forgive this American

[sacred turtle]

Uk

So I think gbp

[potent portal]

i7 7700k is the best you can do with that

[stoic island]

You can pretty easily test OCP by just using p95 smallfft and furmark at the same time

Power viruses op

[sacred turtle]

Alright would I be able to put a better graphix card in later down the line?

[wanton cliff]

yes

of course

[stoic island]

Graphics cards don't quite care about motherboard or cpu in terms of compatibility

[wanton cliff]

as long as both the board and the card are Personal Computer Interface Express compatible (which all GPUs and motherboards made in the last decade or more are) then they will be fine

expect bottnecks later down the line though

[potent portal]

I should warn you also, you might be able to buy a new motherboard and 10100f for your budget too

[sacred turtle]

I3 or i5?? I curently have a i3 9100

[wanton cliff]

10100f is i3 but the only thing that matters in this case is socket

10100f is better than a 7700k, arguably, and has a much better upgrade path

[potent portal]

Which is exactly why I suggested it, performance on the lowest new chip is the same or better than that generation's top chip

[sacred turtle]

What motherboard??

[full atlas]

How likely do y’all think it is that someone would trade a 3600 for my 2700x???

[wanton cliff]

i think its unlikely that anyone would even be willing to trade

[potent portal]

https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/p/2MG-000K-000T4?&quicklink=true
plus
https://www.newegg.com/global/uk-en/intel-core-i5-10400f-core-i5-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118132?Description=10100f&cm_re=10100f-_-19-118-132-_-Product&quicklink=true

[sacred turtle]

thx

[potent portal]

Happy to help

[ornate solstice]

@stoic island I found out why it kept crashing

My gpu hits 107c

Can you help me figure out why it gets so hot like I have good airflow in my case

[potent portal]

Get a can of compressed air and blow out the radiator

[stoic island]

What case?

Which exact GPU?
plz no msi ventus

[ornate solstice]

Cougar mx 330-g air

It has a mesh front panel

[worn wave]

Are your fans facing the right way

[muted patio]

InB4 5700xt

[ornate solstice]

Yes it’s facing the right way

Just checked

[potent portal]

Like this?

[stoic island]

@ornate solstice what GPU?

Which exact model?

[ornate solstice]

Msi rx 5700xt gaming x

[wanton cliff]

Msi cring

no wonder your card gets so hot

[potent portal]

🤣 Vintage called it

[ornate solstice]

Please help

[potent portal]

Undervolt

[muted patio]

What's the fan curve set at?

[wanton cliff]

put a triple layered zip locked bag of snow underneath the ard

works for me

[ornate solstice]

How do I check

[ornate solstice]

Sure I’ll do that in Cali

[muted patio]

I'm not familiar with the Radeon software but I would presume in the Radeon control panel

[wanton cliff]

crushed ice then

[wanton cliff]

doesnt exist

it appears in Adrenalin tho

right click your desktop, open adrenalin, go to the performance area

[ornate solstice]

Ok I’m at the performance area

[wanton cliff]

I dont remember exactly where it is but try and look for something along the lines of 'fan speed' or 'fan curve'

[ornate solstice]

This?

[wanton cliff]

@muted patio does that look important?

It doesnt look like that can be set though...

[muted patio]

Yeah, IDK how to set fans speeds in Adrenalin

[wanton cliff]

idk if you can

i know you could in Trixx but thats a sapphire exclusive software

as far as i know at least

[muted patio]

That's MSI afterburner

[wanton cliff]

there ya go

[muted patio]

However, Adrenalin may override that

IDK for sure

But move 100% fan speed to 80C

IMO

[ornate solstice]

Ok

[muted patio]

However, how comfortable would you be taking the cooler off and making some changes?

IE, replacing thermal pads and paste?

[wanton cliff]

he likely doesnt have those on hand

[ornate solstice]

I don’t

And I’d be too scared to mess it up

[muted patio]

Hmmmm