there's a chance they don't process it until tomorrow though
#building-and-recc-chat
earnest olive
stoic island
Mmm
upper ore
Thank god i wasnt wrong!
I had a feeling but i didnt want to go any further and it actually being true. Because after all i didnt get into pc gaming until late 2018.
earnest olive
he probably got scammed by some prebuilt salesman back in the day lol
"yeah this gt 1030 is the latest and greatest"
latest maybe... greatest not so much
potent portal
But 1030 is 1/3 of 3090 so it gets at least 1/3 the frames right?
stoic island
3x crossfire time
cyan ravine
2x 6800 should be more than 3x 4090 yes?
reef moss
oh gosh
earnest olive
But 1030 is 1/3 of 3090 so it gets at least 1/3 the frames right?
surely 
just 3 way sli gt 1030s
numbers don't lie
earnest olive
oh gosh
at the time of the GT 1030 release, the then 2 months old GTX 1080Ti was 798% as fast as it
earnest olive
$1500 for a gt 1030 prebuilt?
wow
talk about a salesman with absolutely zero morals whatsoever
cyan ravine
Wth
earnest olive
you could have reasonably built a pc with that 8x as fast 1080ti for $1500
and that 1080ti would still be relevant today
no problem running valorant at 700+ fps paired with sufficient CPU/ram
could still run more demanding games today at 1080p-1440p
even still runs cyberpunk fine
that salesman really did you dirty
gt 1030 was a card for $300 office pcs
even 5 years ago
potent portal
Well it does no good to shame victims of scams. It makes them less likely to talk about them in the future. So I'm sorry that happened to you.
earnest olive
well, now you know never to trust a salesman
potent portal
Especially used car salesman
Just saying. I got one of those and the head exploded on the engine.
hallow glen
why isnt my windows key working
jagged nest
Imm boutta get an asus rog strix 3080 but I wanna know what’s the difference between the v1 and v2 and which one is better for gaming
potent portal
the what
The top part of the engine that seals the pistons. The gasket was so bad it was leaking raw fuel and exploded, shrapnel and everything.
earnest olive
Imm boutta get an asus rog strix 3080 but I wanna know what’s the difference bet...
the only difference is LHR which is no longer relevant for anything and was never relevant for gaming
just don't worry about it
jagged nest
So js get the v1
earnest olive
get whichever one is cheaper
potent portal
For gaming they're identical
earnest olive
The top part of the engine that seals the pistons. The gasket was so bad it was ...
that... still has to be illegal right?
potent portal
No the really illegal part was where they sold it to me with a warranty but the warranty company never heard of the car
zenith cargo
is 13% cpu usage and 43% memory, idle normal?
potent portal
Yes
zenith cargo
my chrome is very slow and laggy
potent portal
You can cut down on memory usage by closing background programs and stopping things from starting when you boot up
zenith cargo
ik
potent portal
13% cpu at idle sounds suspiciously like iCue is running
earnest olive
No the really illegal part was where they sold it to me with a warranty but the ...
💀 it keeps getting worse
i'm idling at 15% cpu with a quad core, 19 browser tabs separated into 3 windows, and discord (which is using 10% out of that 15%)
empty pollen
my chrome is very slow and laggy
sounds like chrome
zenith cargo
is it normal when like I barely open task manager for a split sec and the cpu usage is at 70 then goes back down
?
earnest olive
plus all this in the background
yes, task manager takes a ton of cpu usage at start
empty pollen
yes
zenith cargo
oh ok
earnest olive
why is discord so demanding on cpu? lol
empty pollen
even for a meaningless task the cpu kicks in
potent portal
💀 it keeps getting worse
Don't worry it gets better. The used car lot dodged paying out lawsuits by declaring bankruptcy and closing the business... and selling their inventory to themselves. Then they'd reopen on the same lot under another name.
zenith cargo
bro I updated ds4windows and its using 10% of my cpu
earnest olive
what is discord doing with so much cpu?
it's using up an entire alder lake p-core
earnest olive
Don't worry it gets better. The used car lot dodged paying out lawsuits by decla...
holy yikes
potent portal
bro I updated ds4windows and its using 10% of my cpu
It hasn't been updated in a while to support the latest OS versions I think. That's a known issue.
earnest olive
did you end up getting money back or anything?
potent portal
Nope, can't sue a business that doesn't exist any more
zenith cargo
lmao
potent portal
So yeah learn from my mistake and never trust a used car salesman lol
earnest olive
i am not in a call or anything, this is just text chat
potent portal
Luckily it was only a $3000 car
earnest olive
you and i have different definitions of luckily
zenith cargo
guys I finally got my gpu back
potent portal
I probably would have spent more on the lawyer to chase them. Lesson learned. Expensive lesson but I was young and needed to learn it.
potent portal
Ooh nice
zenith cargo
yupp
weary galleon
why is discord so demanding on cpu? lol
I think it's because of the way its built. Discord is on chromium which is meant for web browsers/apps. I'd guess the amount of features and lack of optimization is starting to stress it. Pretty sure there are other discord clients with wayyyy better performance and optimization simply because they aren't chromium.
as for the 44% usage, not sure what's goin on there
potent portal
I'm at a normal 0.1% for discord
weary galleon
mines around 1%
I do definitely don't have BetterDiscord though
I <3 Revert Rebrand
potent portal
Technically since we're a verified server we're supposed to report that
weary galleon
are alternate clients not allowed?
discord just hates that I can remove their ugly rebrand
potent portal
They frame it as they're protecting you from spyware and malware
There's a factor of "who actually cares" we have to balance with "this is a corporate server"
Agreed. Better to err to caution
I will not admit to having given links to cheap windows keys. I also won't deny it.
weary galleon
I'd guess MS makes all their licensing $ from big companies anyways
potent portal
100%
If you get into the weeds of it the only people they pursue for license issues are people that abuse volume license keys (big business infinite activation keys)
Student keys suck like a vacuum. I got a Windows 8 key I had to pay for that was only good for 7 months. It didn't even go to the end of the school year.
Maybe it's changed since I was a student, very possible since that was early 2010s
One of the neighborhood kids that my boys were playing with seemed surprised I was his dad lol
potent portal
I kinda do but I finally stopped getting carded. And yes you absolutely do look younger.
thorny flint
is this a good build i ordered all parts already https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Pg6rnt
thorny flint
yea
cyan ravine
did you look for the button?
thorny flint
nah the mobo at my other house i wont be going there till thurs ill let u know
analog hearth
you should take the PSU back for one with a higher wattage
thorny flint
if no button ill return and get vdh
thorny flint
you should take the PSU back for one with a higher wattage
but others are expensive
550 enough
i dont plan on upgrading thats why
hallow glen
amd isnt really the way to go right now but thats pretty good
thorny flint
my budget was originally 600
i already stretched it to 750
no more modifications lol
cyan ravine
I think you'll be ok with that tbh
if anything more fans for the case if it doesn't have any - never checked myself
cyan ravine
thorny flint
also the flash bios button is the white button in the bottom right of the mobo right?
cyan ravine
also the flash bios button is the white button in the bottom right of the mobo r...
that's power
thorny flint
oh then where its located
cyan ravine
give me a minute I'll look
cyan ravine
usually back of the board or top right* for some gigglybits
spice swallow
Has anyone tried to use the lian li strimer on the 4090s yet?
thorny flint
usually back of the board or top right* for some gigglybits
ok
potent portal
Has anyone tried to use the lian li strimer on the 4090s yet?
The extensions? Why would you when they have to be adapted into the 12+4 cable anyway
cyan ravine
Has anyone tried to use the lian li strimer on the 4090s yet?
you couldn't even if you wanted to lmao
i mean if you case is like 2m long sure
wide sparrow
cyan ravine
that's normally where a power button is
thorny flint
so i dont have to return it
cyan ravine
i hope my mobo has it
it has it, you just found it
potent portal
that's normally where a power button is
Power is usually by the RAM, that one's where a cmos clear button often is
thorny flint
also not relevant buttttt
why is my mobo taking so long to ship
like it shipped on sat
and it hasnt been moving for like 4 days
shipped by ups
cyan ravine
Power is usually by the RAM, that one's where a cmos clear button often is
that's where my gigabyte q flash button is 
potent portal
Shipped or "shipped" (label printed but not received by UPS)
cyan ravine
my asus boards have power down bottom right
thorny flint
no it says like departed a warehouse
in pensilvania
for like 4 days now
and on the website it said its "delayed" but no reaosn
potent portal
It's probably on a truck then, they can take time to process. Sometimes freak accidents happen like a crash between 3 big rigs that blocks an interstate for 8 hours.
elfin flame
Rommy ITX PC
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fX6rnt
Preface:
3060ti purchased during height of shortages, coping with $500+ for it in hindsight
Sabrent Rocket 4.0 was purchased in March, coping with $50 sale for it rn
B660I boards are more expensive than the Z690I board rn, don't need DDR5 or PCIe 4.0
cyan ravine
Rommy ITX PC
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fX6rnt
Preface:
3060ti purchased du...
850 GM?
for those specs I mean
future?
ok
any cheaper cooler that fits like a downdraft?
or going 13th?
that cooler is good for 13600K I think
2 nvme slots?
seems fine
just as long as you upgrade
kek
you probably would manage still a decent result tbh
run it at 80W that's a 12900K but better
repadding? wrong widths?
vaguely yeah
hallow glen
ah romulus has to explain the thing again
cyan ravine
that's just...ew
you know what I do now?
call me weird but K5 pro
It's not perfect
not the best
but screw getting the right size
it just works
hmm ok
but I just don't bother with pads now
unless I rescue them as soon as the card arrives I'm not really bothered
Oh yeah, I was recommended fujipoly
but K5 is just easy
I would stick that card in the rig tbh
when you get it back
nr200 isn't the worst case for it
oh yeah, when my main rig was needing RMA's and changes I was using the 3080 constantly
so I was in a similar boat
although not quite the same I guess
I tend to need RAM more than vram and I got a good lot of that
idk if you know the story but I went through 2 boards, a psu, 3 or 4 sets of ram and like 2 or 3 12900K's diagnosing a dodgy psu
I had some 3 months of RMA's, I first finished the build in february
and it wasn't until May that I finally managed to turn it on without something dying
the board was to what I'm believing misreading voltages or something power related because under a cpu stress test the cpu would go to like, 140W max and the cpu was pegged with every core at 100C
the board survived, perfectly fine, thanks z690, but the psu was the main culprit
turned on and worked seemingly fine but the psu was doing something extremely dodgy with power
couldn't take the 3090 out cos I'd have to take my other rig apart and didn't have time to burn like that since they're waterblocked
when I explained the story to the guy over the counter about the psu he gave me a refund without question and I was like "Don't you wanna uh, test it"
"No, I'm not touching it with a 10 ft pole" 
it's not my first bad psu either, I've had one of those P-GM bombs
but ironically that one still works
I offered, they replied but didn't want it
I mean they could keep it if they wanted to
hell I'd give it to anyone with half a brain if they want to science with it
it's just a waste of space otherwise
potent portal
I got one of the bombs too. And then I got another. And another. And another.
cyan ravine
the 850GM died and didn't take anything with it, the 750GM is still locked away in storage
potent portal
First one killed itself. Second one DOA. Third one killed itself. Fourth is in a retro pc that won't draw more than 150W.
cyan ravine
I was looking back on that today as I bought a tuf bronze
I paid 130$ AUD for an RM850x two years ago
I'm paying $130 for a Tuf bronze 750W now
potent portal
That wasn't luck that was gigacrap
BS "3090" that's so power limited it gets beaten by 3080s by 1000 pts
cyan ravine
psu prices suck here rn
cyan ravine
BS "3090" that's so power limited it gets beaten by 3080s by 1000 pts
master?
potent portal
xtreme waterforce
potent portal
I sold it for what I bought it for and stood in line at BB for a 3080 ti that immediately crushed it in every way
potent portal
you shoulda flashed xoc vbios to it
I did
potent portal
Yeah I put a 500W vbios on it but it's only a dual 8 pin so the third 8 pin was just "ghost pins" and it only pulled 325W in reality
cyan ravine
oh I did the 1000W vbios on the tuf
so I yeet it to like 660W which is like, some 480W or more
it's fine normally
I can bench it much higher for like, +15 more core
600W+ like actually
potent portal
I thought about doing the kW vbios but the memory was REALLY bad too because no active cooling on either side
potent portal
It literally throttled when gaming until I repadded, then it only hit 100C
potent portal
Rated for 110
Throttles HARD immediately when it hits 112
Like 800MHz core throttled
cyan ravine
lolol
obsidian wigeon
bruh
limber oyster
Ok that dude who keeps pinging me in #building-and-recc-chat NEEDS to stop. It's annoying
dusk ginkgo
Your soft tubing is trash do hardliners plus why do you even need two gpus
cyan ravine
You realise that's an aio there no?
dusk ginkgo
I do and it looks like garbage
dusk ginkgo
Cause it gets zero air flow lol
You might as well watercool that gpu too at this rate, but for the love of God not aio
cyan ravine
I can agree that the gpu on the riser is weird af but I don't see why harassing someone for using an aio is valid. The tubes are preset lengths for a reason
cyan ravine
You might as well watercool that gpu too at this rate, but for the love of God n...
Also no. If you've tried an eiswolf, you'll realise why you don't just go full water
Double the money sink? What a waste
dusk ginkgo
since when is calling something that looks bad harassment
You need to get a grip laf
cyan ravine
Cos you've been pinging them about it my guy
flint sapphire
When you do it in a harassing way
cyan ravine
That's harassment
cyan ravine
Instead you could be constructive like "have you ever tried fixing the tube runs up?"
Lmao
dusk ginkgo
I don't have to be
jagged ember
No, you don't
dusk ginkgo
No, I don't have to be constructive at all
If something looks crappy I'm just gonna say it as is
jagged ember
I think it's a grave
It's a 6 foot hole the size of a person
Also never heard it as a bed instead of a grave lmao
dusk ginkgo
based
cyan ravine
Also never heard it as a bed instead of a grave lmao
the english use bed 💀
jagged ember
Of course it's a British thing
flint sapphire
I’ve heard bed and grave before
dusk ginkgo
is semantics relevant at all to this channel
flint sapphire
Nope just having a conversation
flint sapphire
?
dusk ginkgo
idk I just wanted to using melting emoji
obsidian wigeon
the heck happened there lol
dusk ginkgo
the heck happened there lol
crappy aio mess discussion
dusk ginkgo
rhetorical context is a bit hard to read in text, apologies
frigid night
and i don't wanna beat a dead horse anyway kek
I'm gonna grab the bat and have a whack. @dusk ginkgo what's your setup look like? Is it so much better that you have to put other people's setups down?
dusk ginkgo
Honestly his specs are better than mine, I don't lie to myself
frigid night
I don't care about specs. What's your PC look like?
dusk ginkgo
But that doesn't make any one immune to criticism, the aio tunes are a mess and possibly restrict some air flow to mobo. Plus the rizer cable out side of the case makes not much sense other than he has no room
cyan ravine
he's on a crosshair* hero he doesn't need to worry about mobo airflow 💀
frigid night
Show us your "clean and orderly" pc.
dusk ginkgo
I don't care about specs. What's your PC look like?
I would but it's almost 2 am and I'm already in bed
frigid night
Sure
frigid night
So, while his tubes might be a little out of place, he didn't ask for your criticism. Neither for you to ping him multiple times to troll him about it. My point is, don't throw salt at someone over the look of their PC when it doesn't affect the functionality whatsoever. There are plenty worse PCs out there in terms of tube placement/cable management. That type of criticism (over nothing) is not welcome here, especially when it turns into harrassment.
flint sapphire
My setup kinda Garbo cuz keyboard 
dusk ginkgo
My setup kinda Garbo cuz keyboard <:PepeHands:968900943368319007>
Whirlwindfx?
dusk ginkgo
So, while his tubes might be a little out of place, he didn't ask for your criti...
When did I ping him
I thought I mentioned it all here
and I mean yeah didn't ask sure but the world doesn't revolve around individuals, idc if anyone asked or not, this is a build chat
flint sapphire
Seems to be a misunderstanding, someone was pinging that build in build pics and I guess chat, the recipient was complaining about it for a day+ was basically spam/harassment
dusk ginkgo
I don't recall doing that personally tbh
bronze salmon
guys, is it possible to overtighten my stock cooler screws
bronze salmon
I lost count on my criss cross, now it's jumbled Q_Q
cyan ravine
basically you screw until it's just about fingertight
cyan ravine
I lost count on my criss cross, now it's jumbled Q_Q
don't worry too much about that
just slowly keep going until it's just about fingertight
criss cross criss cross
bronze salmon
ahh, they are threaded in the bracket
I heard like, some pings when screwing in
like metal clacking
bronze salmon
by fingertight, like
bronze salmon
ahhh, like by screw
bronze salmon
ahh
cyan ravine
if you can't undo it now, take it off, try and gather the paste back up and try again
or redo the paste altogether
bronze salmon
or redo the paste altogether
I don't have paste 😭
is there a way to check the tightness of the cpu cooler
bronze salmon
ayye, so I see like, the screw ends peeking at the inner back of backplate
is that a good sign? 😳
cyan ravine
no idea, but you have likely overtightened it considering it won't loosen
once you reach that point of finger tightness the amount of strength you really need to undo it is more like an exponential rise than a simple bit of extra grunt
so it's definitely at that stage of "a bit too tight" lol
bronze salmon
so it's definitely at that stage of "a bit too tight" lol
QwQ
wait so like, kinda lose, then I finger tight it
springs kinda tough tho 🥲
cyan ravine
can, you can do it with a screwdriver too but cooler guides generally say not to unless you have limited access
example - dual tower air coolers
bronze salmon
ah, air coolers are clippy thingies right
it's my first build today so I am very nervous
cyan ravine
you're fine, imo I would undo it, order a small tube of paste and carefully try again
finish everything else in the process
if it's an am4 chip take it out, otherwise leave whatever it is in
AM4 = Ryzen 5000
bronze salmon
if it's an am4 chip take it out, otherwise leave whatever it is in
ah why ;0
cyan ravine
it can fall out
lol
don't want your new ryzen to fall and chip/chip something
again, only if it's an AM4 chip
if it's intel definitely leave it in
Ryzen 7000 too, definitely leave that bad boi in
bronze salmon
I have a 5 5600x ;-;
bronze salmon
ahh, I mean, is there problem tho if it's uneven in presure
or not likely to have a problem since it's spring mounted
bronze salmon
ohh nice nice
😳
alright, I might have overtightened a few and some parts loose, backplate didn't pop off so I guess everything is alright 😆
i'll be installing the standoffs now, not sure which screws to use, manual didn't specify 🥲
cyan ravine
just take your time
don't overcommit to anything to some stupid amount
and I mean like actually stupid like scratching up the board A LOT
most mistakes if you're careful won't do any harm
PC's are pretty robust these days
bronze salmon
and I mean like actually stupid like scratching up the board A LOT
I may have slid i around since I did not notice middle mobo stand off is supposed to hold it in place
cyan ravine
I'm very sure you're fine lol
I've done that
on more builds/pc changes at this point than you'd think
reef moss
Is learning how to build a pc pretty difficult?
I have a month to learn with 0 experience
limber oyster
I hecking hate hp
potent portal
I may have slid i around since I did not notice middle mobo stand off is suppose...
Around those holes is usually a "safe zone" because the manufacturer doesn't want you to send them back any more than you want to send it back
reef moss
Around those holes is usually a "safe zone" because the manufacturer doesn't wan...
How do I learn what parts mix with what and how to be a competent pc builder
limber oyster
"24/7 support"
reef moss
And their customer support is a pos
Now that I agree with
limber oyster
I've waited 3 hours for support
limber oyster
And this guy is taking 5 minutes to say hello and what not
reef moss
Yeah 3 works too
reef moss
I'm at work waiting for 5 30 to come
limber oyster
I missed quite a few deadlines because of this
reef moss
It's 5 21 am for me
reef moss
I missed quite a few deadlines because of this
Oh no
potent portal
How do I learn what parts mix with what and how to be a competent pc builder
You can use PCPartPicker.com to help with compatibility and pricing. As far as building just watch a few different build videos on YouTube.
reef moss
You can use PCPartPicker.com to help with compatibility and pricing. As far as b...
Oh I meant learning like what parts are better than the other and such
potent portal
Any specific questions like "do I need 4400 speed memory" we can help with
reef moss
Do I need 4400 speed memory
potent portal
If you tell us your budget and country we can get you pointed in the right direction
potent portal
Do I need 4400 speed memory
Most likely not
reef moss
If you tell us your budget and country we can get you pointed in the right direc...
Yeah I'm trying to learn how to be the guy that points people that way lol
potent portal
Charts. Every review has them. Study them. Learn their meanings.
Then the truth will be known
potent portal
It's rare someone recognizes Schrodinger
reef moss
Love hellsing
frigid night
Oh I meant learning like what parts are better than the other and such
If you check our #graphics-cards channel pins, there is a great tier list. That'll help with knowing what is better than what. From there you can use pc part licker to find a good price.
If you check #cases-psu-and-cooling pins, you'll find a link to a tier list for PSUs. That'll help determine what models are better than others and again use pc part licker for finding good prices.
You can definitely ask people here for sure, but to start familiarizing yourself with some of the good stuff, those pins I mentioned would be a wonderful place to start.
I'm not gonna even corrent my auto correct for pcpp lol
potent portal
Are you ok? Not having a stronk?
frigid night
Stronk happening for sure.
spice swallow
The extensions? Why would you when they have to be adapted into the 12+4 cable a...
Talking about card to adapter. Both are twelve pin
cyan ravine
Talking about card to adapter. Both are twelve pin
all 4090's are 16 pin
12pin is Ampere's (or Nvidia's) take on what the 16pin would be until it was certified as ATX 3.0 or 12VHPWR
which is now 16pin
runic hollow
@limber oyster dual gpu, single water cooled loop with one air cooled external case card?
tawny violet
Samsung B-die memory
Yay or nay?
tawny violet
I saw a used 2×8gb kit of DDR4-3600 for cheap, and it used those chips (GSkill Trident Z kit)
obsidian wigeon
B die isn't a must
If you want to get your hands dirty with tuning it and getting perfect perf, it's easy
But if you just run plain xmp, nah
fossil cedar
Unless it's 3600 16-16-16-38ish it's not b die anyway
empty pollen
the b-die version of those trident z are pretty expensive, not for the average joe (like 300usd for the 32gb kit)
fossil cedar
Not any more
bronze salmon
on more builds/pc changes at this point than you'd think
finally built it!
very scary for my first try, wish I didn't damage any components Q_Q
limber oyster
I just rebuilt my PC....I'm not happy with it
analog pulsar
I just rebuilt my PC....I'm not happy with it
Why
potent portal
Talking about card to adapter. Both are twelve pin
The 12 pin for 30 series FE is keyed differently from the 12VHPWR plug, it won't fit
analog pulsar
Oh
tawny violet
Unless it's 3600 16-16-16-38ish it's not b die anyway
How can you deduce what chips a given kit uses if it's not specified?
And what memory would you recommend for Ryzen 5000 of I don't want to get elbows deep into memory OCing, and just want it to work
stoic island
How can you deduce what chips a given kit uses if it's not specified?
And what m...
For b die, it's because there's certain xmp that only really b die hits, like 3600 16-16-16-36 at 1.35v
If you don't care about OCing, any random 3600c16 kit will work
16-19-19-39 is prob going to be cjr, terrible for OCing, but still works fine stock
tawny violet
I believe 3600Mhz is a sort of sweet spot for Ryzen 5000 series performance?...
Cuz clock matching and whatnot
stoic island
Infinity fabric clock
fossil cedar
yes but unless they specify cl18 or cl16 its most likely cl18 (higher CL=worse )
tawny violet
Hm
empty pollen
then any xmp kit will work just fine, get a 3600c16 and call it a day
specialized die kits are just for enthusiasts who wants to crush records
tawny violet
Tom's Hardware says 4000 is the "ideal performance" for them
Would it make sense to get a 4000MHz kit, or it's lottery
stoic island
Lottery for 2000mhz fclk to work
tawny violet
So 3600 is safe
4000 might be better but has chance of refusing to work
Gotcha
stoic island
It's 50/50 more or less but it's less guesswork if you sit with 3600
empty pollen
it will give you yout the best easy to set performance
tawny violet
Neat
empty pollen
yeah 4000 is kinda hit or miss
tawny violet
Tbf I can "downclock" a 4000 kit and set tighter timings, can I not?
empty pollen
silicon lottery on the controller
tawny violet
If the CPU doesn't like the 4000
stoic island
Tbf I can "downclock" a 4000 kit and set tighter timings, can I not?
Yes but manual tuning is annoying
empty pollen
difference could be between 1 or 2 fps tops
stoic island
And also, price
tawny violet
Ah alrighty then
So a 3600MHz 16-16-16-36 kit is the safest bet that's gonna work no matter what, right?
empty pollen
16-19-19-39 is the safest choice
stoic island
16-16-16-36 is going to cost you a good bit more if you're not going to overclock it
tawny violet
16-19-19-39 is the safest choice
Oddly specific there
Is there a reason for that?
stoic island
16-19-19-39 and 16-18-18-38 and similar are worse but cheaper
stoic island
Oddly specific there
Is there a reason for that?
It's usually cjr and cheap
tawny violet
Just trying to understand really
empty pollen
cheaper and almost same performance for the average joe
you dont need the extra unless you are going to overclock it
tawny violet
16-19-19-39 and 16-18-18-38 and similar are worse but cheaper
Wouldn't the 16-19-19-39 get downgraded to a 16-20-20-40 because of Ryzen memory control?
empty pollen
that extra will cost you at least a hundred extra bucks for almost no performance gain
what? no
stoic island
Wouldn't the 16-19-19-39 get downgraded to a 16-20-20-40 because of Ryzen memory...
If you have GDM on
If you have GDM off, it won't round
stoic island
Gear down mode is like 1.5t CR, but forces you to have some timings be even
empty pollen
if you are going for set and forget then just get the cheapest 3600c16 xmp kit either a 16-18-38 or -39, they will work just fine
tighter kits are also more sensitive to a lot of additional things, like temperature for example
tawny violet
Okay so a 2×8 3600 16-16-16-36 kit (used) is 85 bucks or so
That I can get right now
mossy venture
Okay so a 2×8 3600 16-16-16-36 kit (used) is 85 bucks or so
are you in the us?
tawny violet
Mind you this is Hungary
So new hardware has insane VAT+import taxes and stuff
empty pollen
oh
mossy venture
ah ok
empty pollen
that change things
tawny violet
So getting proper new hardware is out of the question
What kit did you post?
I wanna check what it'd cost here new
mossy venture
just look for the cheapest 2x8 3200c16 or 3600c18 kit you can find
empty pollen
im pretty sure must be cheaper kits out there
im just kinda biased to gskill kits
yeah, just like bacca said
tawny violet
Okay I can't find the exact kit you did
But a very similar (2×8 3600 cl16, but worse secondary timings) is about 80 bucks plus shipping
Honestly 86 bucks for a 16-16-16-36 2×8 is not bad in my eyes
stoic island
Tbh, just sort by cheapest 2x8 and see what you can find, or 2x16 nowadays
tawny violet
Okay so
2×8 3600 or 2×16 3200
mossy venture
can you link where you're checking?
stoic island
Okay so
2×8 3600 or 2×16 3200
Tbh you might actually see more gains from 2x16
tawny violet
Electronics online retailer
mossy venture
stoic island
Looking at the old GN 2x8 vs 4x8 testing on Zen 2
tawny violet
Iirc 2 sticks is better with Ryzen for some reason?
tawny violet
Tbf I probably wouldn't be able to not plug all 4 slots if there are 4 slots on the mobo
It'd mess with my OCD too much
tawny violet
at 3200, doesn't matter much
At 3600?
mossy venture
it could
fossil cedar
So a 3600MHz 16-16-16-36 kit is the safest bet that's gonna work no matter what,...
for most users 3600c18 is far cheaper and a decent choice too although cl16 is better sometimes its just not worth the price bump
stoic island
Iirc 2 sticks is better with Ryzen for some reason?
Nah, 4x8 had noticeable gains over 2x8, it's more about 2 ranks per channel for more bandwidth theoretically
tawny violet
Huh
So 4 is better?
Interesting
stoic island
It's less than more sticks is better
It's 2 ranks per channel
And therefore 2 sticks of dual rank sticks should do the same thing
fossil cedar
but also @tawny violet i would usually recommend intel 12th/13th gen atm instead of amd in the first place which would be perfectly fine with 3200mhzcl16 ram
tawny violet
but also <@405396333650903042> i would usually recommend intel 12th/13th gen atm...
Impossible to fit into the budget I'd have
stoic island
Import costs are wack
fossil cedar
Huh
So 4 is better?
Interesting
uh yes and no, 2x16gb of dual rank memory will be better than 4x8gb of single rank memory but if its 2x16gb of single rank technically 4x8gb wins
unfortunate
tawny violet
So yeah, I can't buy 12th or 13th gen Intel because it's just too expensive
stoic island
uh yes and no, 2x16gb of dual rank memory will be better than 4x8gb of single ra...
But with cheap kits you won't get 16gb dies so it'll basically guarantee dual rank 16gb sticks
fossil cedar
ye
tawny violet
NGL this is entirely too confusing for me at 21:30
fossil cedar
Basically don't worry to much but just get he 2 sticks unless 4 is somehow cheaper
little osprey
Thoughts on cyber monday sales for pc parts?
Any news yet
Talking old gen not brand new gen
Though brand new gen looks hella good rn
south jasper
hi people. I'm in need of troubleshooting help. Ok to ask here? newegg service isnt responding
oh awesome. thanks so much
umm my problem is that i suspect that my new motherboard is defective. I plugged the f-panel and the i\o doesnt respond. The rgb lights turn on on the motherboard but nothing happens when i press on
i don't think the case is the problem fwiw
yes
asrock b660m pro rs
it'll be the second time i return it for being defective, if my suspicion is correct. last one had ram slots 1-2 not working
but worked fine aside from that
so same board model, two different, separate issues
yes, plugged and unplugged several times
restarted cmos too
yep
no
the fans don't start, no lights come on. only the rgb backlights glow when its plugged to the psu
no sound either, just dead
elfin flame
Okay, unplug the connectors from the f-panel, use the tip of the screwdriver to jump the board on, if that doesn't work, then the board is having issues, or the PSU is an issue.
Put the tip of the screwdriver between the 2 pins for the power switch on the front panel connector. It should work and turn on.
south jasper
ok will report back in a minute
elfin flame
south jasper
btw psu was taken from another computer, worked fine, also worked fine with the other mobo (same model)
south jasper
roger
seagate 550w
umm wait no
seasonic lol
gimme a sec, im pulling up the build infor
little osprey
Thoughts on cyber monday sales for pc parts?
Nobody?
little osprey
Not many cpu/board?
little osprey
no response
Then yea board issue
Unless try to short it
Oh
Yea its DoA
Or if didnt just get dead
south jasper
yes and no. i was expecting maybe a bit less performance but definitely not just a bum board, twice
sullen spoke
little osprey
It also could be the cpu if all new parts
south jasper
fixed
little osprey
Only way to know is testing dif board
south jasper
It also could be the cpu if all new parts
cpu worked fine in the first motherboard (returned it bc ram 1-2 were defective)
sullen spoke
I might've missed it, have you tried connecting an actual power button or only shorting it
south jasper
I might've missed it, have you tried connecting an actual power button or only s...
tried with the case ya
neither worked basically
sullen spoke
you double check all the power connectors are in properly? atx, cpu, vga, and if you have any additional drives, sata. full 8 pin cpu power connector or only a 4pin or something
south jasper
ya, but fans don't even turn on
sullen spoke
also if you havent already I would try powering it on with nothing connected to the io
sullen spoke
ye no I mean like no mouse, keeb, monitor, usb drives, no anything
south jasper
no, nothing at alll
the rgb backlights turn on when it connects to the power supply but nothing else
sullen spoke
how did you go about resetting cmos
south jasper
took out the battery and shorted the 2 pins with a screwdriver
i can tell the reset works bc the rgb lights flash off
sullen spoke
you secured the cmos battery back in the slot afterward correct? also you made sure that it was in fact the power cable labelled "cpu" and not "pcie" or "vga" in the cpu power header on the top of the motherboard
also which slots on the motherboard are the ram sticks in
sullen spoke
I would start taking everything unnecessary out to see if you can get any sign of life. try taking out the drive, video card, and out of the fans only leave the cpu cooler fan in the cpu fan header, chassis fans out. but before that have you checked any debug lights or displays on the motherboard when attempting to power up
south jasper
in any case, even if it was another one of the parts that was defective, it would at least start and show a light or something. nothing starts. no sign of power aside from the rgb backlights
sullen spoke
@stoic island https://pcpartpicker.com/user/davviie/saved/#view=CZcnpg
south jasper
i3 12100f
but ya, there's just no sign of life. shorting the i\o didt work. none of the post status checker lights even turn on
fans don't turn on
no noise
stoic island
Wonder if something is wrong with the 24pin or smth
south jasper
the 24 pin worked fine in the same model motherboard (that i returned cuz ram slots 1-2 didn't work)
all the individual parts, other than mobo, worked fine on the same model before, a week or so ago
sullen spoke
yeah I hate to sound like a broken record but I would make sure it is completely inserted and straight or even take it out and replug it again, very easy to not plug that one in all the way
south jasper
yeah I hate to sound like a broken record but I would make sure it is completely...
i did that too, so many times. the rgb backlights on the mobo turn on so it's getting power, it's just not turning on
stoic island
I'm thinking like maybe only some of the 12v pins are providing power, but there's no easy way to check
Tried reset cmos with just battery method and leaving it out for a few minutes? Unplugging the PC and leaving cmos battery out, not just jumping the clr cmos header
south jasper
Tried reset cmos with just battery method and leaving it out for a few minutes? ...
ya, i left it overnight
south jasper
same problem. it's never shown signs of life (except rgb backlights)
nothing plugged in now, no keyboards nothing, just fan,cpu, ssd, and ram
oh and a vga
south jasper
I'm thinking like maybe only some of the 12v pins are providing power, but there...
the psu, like all the other parts, worked fine a few days ago
stoic island
Can you take a picture of the PC as is right now?
south jasper
i think it's just dead. i'm just surprised that it's twice now i receive a defective board. last one was the ram, this time it's the i\o
south jasper
Can you take a picture of the PC as is right now?
i can, gimme a min to lay things out nice and visible
stoic island
Tbf there's still a possibility of something else being wrong
Like maybe PSU's 12v rail is just outputting a voltage too low for the board to work
Argb can still work since it's 5v
south jasper
Like maybe PSU's 12v rail is just outputting a voltage too low for the board to ...
worked on the same model last week, all the parts booted and worked fine (i returned the board bc ram slots 1-2 were defective)
wait a min, that's poor, i'll retake it
stoic island
What GPU is plugged in?
south jasper
an older one, for now, cuz it's smaller and easier to work around. not sure the model but it booted fine last week
stoic island
Looking at it again, it has no debug led
south jasper
it does, but they're not turning on cuz it's dead.
nothing, no sound, nothing at all
sullen spoke
You are booting it with the cpu heatsink on right?
south jasper
yeah, it's just to the side right now cuz i took it off to check the cpu was well placed
stoic island
it does, but they're not turning on cuz it's dead.
Where? ASRock doesn't say it has debug LEDs
south jasper
it has a post status check light
last board at least got to boot, it was ram slots that were defective. this one shows no signs of life
and never has
sullen spoke
I saw in the manual there was
south jasper
I saw in the manual there was
there was what?
sullen spoke
I was just confirming to mr1 there is some kind of debug
south jasper
yeah, i just don't get to that point. i'm just really frustrated that I'm having to return the board a second time
high yew
anyone got any cases that look good with a micro atx board?
weary galleon
anyone got any cases that look good with a micro atx board?
My build is currently in a Sama IM01
Also sometimes known as the Tecware Fusion
It is very small though and can be a bit of a pain to build in with matx mobo
nova thorn
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yjQRyK
Any CPU and motherboard recommendations?
mossy venture
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yjQRyK
Any CPU and motherboard recommendations?
I would change most of this
what is your total budget?
nova thorn
$1500 ish
nova thorn
I had that list from someone and I didn’t think it was too great
nova thorn
are you gaming?
Yes
mossy venture
and does $1500 include monitor, or just the tower
nova thorn
Just the tower
mossy venture
if you really want the look of an aio, arctic liquid freezer ii B stock https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bfgPGL
nova thorn
What’s the compatibility warning
mossy venture
Just bios version, if it does end up coming with old bios (most likely wont) it's easy to update them
nova thorn
Oh Okay lol
nova thorn
if you really want the look of an aio, arctic liquid freezer ii B stock https://...
Is there a different motherboard worth checking out I don’t rlly want to put a micro atx
mossy venture
do you need wifi built in?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ytdrxr/asrock-b550-phantom-gaming-4ac-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-phantom-gaming-4ac if not, this would do ok
green tapir
@limber oyster
i love your build alot
i think the cerebus cards and afox do a great jobs making their shrouds, although it feels like it doesn't fit your pc
but its your pc so... 👍
little osprey
What board and cpu just for simple menial tasks like discord, spotify, and chrome? That can handle my gen 3 nvme m.2 1tb
I'd prefer under 100USD but whatever is cheapest that can handle my m.2 and 16gb ram
I dont have any currently but planning on upgrade later in the future in the occurance there comes a game that isnt a scam
frigid night
I'd prefer under 100USD but whatever is cheapest that can handle my m.2 and 16gb...
a mobo/cpu combo under $100? hm.. I know that a 6th gen cpu is able to handle that stuff easy enough.. as far as NVME support.. I'm not sure about 6th gen. There could be newer gen combo that's under $100, but I'm not sure.
little osprey
a mobo/cpu combo under $100? hm.. I know that a 6th gen cpu is able to handle th...
What if take of nvme req
As I have a 1tb hdd
frigid night
What if take of nvme req
that's sacrificing a lot of performance.
let me have a look around.
little osprey
that's sacrificing a lot of performance.
Im not planning on doing much
frigid night
Im not planning on doing much
If you already have the nvme, then you may as well use it.
little osprey
If you already have the nvme, then you may as well use it.
But is it worth the extra $
For other parts
I'll go max of 150-200
Usd
frigid night
But is it worth the extra $
yes.
frigid night
I'll go max of 150-200
This changes things for sure.
@little osprey Do you have a GPU?
little osprey
<@456226577798135808> Do you have a GPU?
Rx570
frigid night
good
frigid night
that's fine.
little osprey
Ive been struggling to get new gaming parts or rather the money for but Ive come to realize Im probably not gonna play 99% of games so its kinda a waste
Most games in modern day are cashgrabs and just not worth it
Not for me anyways
frigid night
@little osprey This will be efficient for what you want to do and if you so chose to upgrade your gpu in the future you wouldn't be limited to much by the CPU. The board IS cheap, but at the $200 mark I'm thinking this might be best value for you. It's hard to find a combo under this as even most older gen cpu want insane prices for them for some reason. You could go used (this is what I'm doing for my daughter) and get the parts cheaper.
The 12th gen i3 holds it's own in gaming.
little osprey
🤔 looks okay
Compared to this for my current use whats your thoughts? https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6511947.p?skuId=6511947 @frigid night
Do you think I could put my m.2 in there?
weary galleon
Do you think I could put my m.2 in there?
maybe. but that processor is gonna be sloooow and 4gb of ram aint gonna help things out
frigid night
Compared to this for my current use whats your thoughts? https://www.bestbuy.com...
You would regret spending that $100 on that.
little osprey
maybe. but that processor is gonna be sloooow and 4gb of ram aint gonna help thi...
It says can put a ssd in there but I dont see videos on how
weary galleon
with that cpu and ram the ssd probably wouldn't even be worth putting in tbh
little osprey
You would regret spending that $100 on that.
I dont plan on gaming anymore tho
weary galleon
it's gonna struggle to run Windows
little osprey
It would?
weary galleon
sell your rx570 and buy a better laptop if you really don't want to game
frigid night
I dont plan on gaming anymore tho
You would not be able to run spotify/discord/chrome(especially if you like a lot of tabs open)/anything else you might decide you need to run.
little osprey
What do you think it'd go for?
if I were to get 12vhpwr cable
what is another cable I should get customized?
weary galleon
What do you think it'd go for?
$70-90 i'd guess
mossy venture
I'd guess 125
frigid night
idk. I'm on the fence about that because while he doesn't game.. He does game a little yea? any laptop at the $200-300 isn't going to give him the current performance his 570 gives yeah?
weary galleon
I'd guess 125
weary galleon
idk. I'm on the fence about that because while he doesn't game.. He does game a ...
I dont plan on gaming anymore tho
little osprey
^
frigid night
ah ok.
little osprey
I might do minecraft but I have a switch for that
frigid night
Then yeah, off your GPU while saving maybe a tad more money than the $200 budget and get yourself a decent laptop.
little osprey
Any recs?
frigid night
I will leave that to someone else. I don't know a whole ton about laptops.
Stevie will probably know.
@little osprey What are the specs for your current PC?
If you aren't planning on gaming and a laptop would server you better, you could most likely part out your PC and get a good amount to go towards the laptop.
weary galleon
Stevie will probably know.
budget laptops not so much unfortunately
little osprey
<@456226577798135808> What are the specs for your current PC?
I only have case, gpu, psu, rn
No cpu or board
I got ram
3600 16gb
frigid night
I only have case, gpu, psu, rn
ah, well what are the models of all those parts?
can still sell all of it so it isn't just sitting there when it could help you get something to use.
frigid night
Rx570, 750w thermaltake (one that actually works)
The thermaltake is the brand. What is the model?
little osprey
Check this out on @Newegg: Fractal Design Focus G White ATX Mid Tower Computer Case https://www.newegg.com/white-fractal-design-focus-g-series-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352067?Item=N82E16811352067&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-11-352-067-_-10262022
Uhhh 1sec
My bad 700w
Thought was 750
mossy venture
that's known to catch fire
little osprey
Mine hasnt
Used for over 3 months
And then I messed up my cpu
And board by pulling cpu out
frigid night
Mine hasnt
it won't.. until it does.
little osprey
Had to tho
frigid night
And board by pulling cpu out
how?
frigid night
and you ruined how though?
frigid night
I'm not sure what you mean..
little osprey
Am4 slot
potent portal
The socket itself pulled out? Yikes
little osprey
little osprey
The socket itself pulled out? Yikes
Yes you saw a pic
Had someone send it
Wouldnt send for me
frigid night
Hm. And the CPU is bad because of it?
little osprey
From prying off cooler yes
mossy venture
these
potent portal
Bent pins no doubt
frigid night
did you bend pins?
potent portal
Yep
little osprey
Yea
frigid night
rip.
frigid night
sheesh
little osprey
I couldnt open the bracket
Cooler was in the way
Of the lift thing
im broke just spent 100 for cables
little osprey
Compared to this for my current use whats your thoughts? https://www.bestbuy.com...
So I could put the m.2 in this?
🤔
My m.2
I dont need to run all 4 at once btw
Just like discord and spotify or chrome a few tabs, or spotify
Not much at once
frigid night
im broke just spent 100 for cables
Was that a good choice then?
little osprey
Was that a good choice then?
If its not all at once is it fine?
frigid night
So I could put the m.2 in this?
as said before.. it's going to struggle just running windows.
frigid night
If its not all at once is it fine?
If a pleasure makes you broke, is that a good choice?
frigid night
I thought meant apps
that too. If it struggles to run windows it is for sure going to struggle running anything IN that windows.
dusk ginkgo
I don't care about specs. What's your PC look like?
Because you asked yesterday, here you go. Last upgrade I'm doing is getting a new case
I am still using this goofy ah ah Rosewill case from like 2017 iirc
rich void
If a pleasure makes you broke, is that a good choice?
Usually no
ornate condor
https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-1tb-black-sn850-nvme/p/N82E16820250161?It...
drive itself is good one but bad pricing
ornate condor
btw looking for decent 64gb ddr5 kit . would love it if its hynix die
ornate condor
I'll wait for a sale
also look for sn850x which is newer version of that sn850
upper ore
Ok
ornate condor
going to sale frequently
frigid night
Usually no
I know. I was asking to make people think.
ornate condor
cheapest 64gb 6000mhz kit https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb/p/N82E16820374415 
limber oyster
i think the cerebus cards and afox do a great jobs making their shrouds, althoug...
The cerebus doesn't fit my case no, that's why it's on the outside
torpid sorrel
why do i have to put so much force on the cpu rad to put the screws in?
i dont wanna break anything
im using the lian li galahad 360mm
ok
ok
alr i figured it out ty
velvet yoke
Looks like the 7pm show announced their first 4090 on Monday the 31st. Wonder how much it will cost. 🤔
torpid sorrel
yeah
alr i got the cpu rad installed!
what now
put in the mobo im assuming
ye
and cpu
oh crap
i switched the fans from 3 pin to 4
and i dont have 4 pin connectors
asus x570-pro prime
elfin flame
torpid sorrel
yeah
i should prob just switch back to the 3 pin
ik
well on my case theres already 3 pin connectors built into it
so i should prob connect there
lian li lancool II mesh
yeah but only 1
torpid sorrel
ok ill just switch back to the 3 pin
cyan ravine
how can i fix
Piece of padding over the dent and a tap of the mallet if you can reach
That might do it
torpid sorrel
..
torpid sorrel
i might have
torpid sorrel
yeah
well im building the pc
rn
ill just switch
no there was
but they were 3 pin
thorny flint
Piece of padding over the dent and a tap of the mallet if you can reach
nm i cant send pic but there is like a dent and the box is rlly f up
elfin flame
stoic island
if the relevant cooler mounting mechanisms are installed, go for it
upper tusk
Should i use win10 or win11 os
frigid night
Should i use win10 or win11 os
Intel 12th/13th gen, go for win11. Otherwise, win10 or win11. Most people still use win 10.
steady canyon
Ok So This is My Aio cooler and it needs replacing. how do i tell what is equal to or compatible with this aio but not this exact one to buy?
upper tusk
Intel 12th/13th gen, go for win11. Otherwise, win10 or win11. Most people still ...
Im using amd 5000 series
analog pulsar
how do i activate my screen
I unplugged it last night and now when I plug it back in it just says no signal
upbeat lake
What difference does it make to have ddr3 ram instead of ddr4, like I know kinda but like let's say I had 4 sticks of ram, all 4 same specs, but 2 are ddr3 and 2 are ddr4, what difference would there be in performance
Like I know ddr4 is better
But what does it change
mighty lantern
obsidian wigeon
You can't directly compare ddr3 platform to ddr4 platform anyway
The cpus are different
ya
merry spindle
When looking for a M.2 SSD to use as a boot drive, what kind of features am I looking for? Something like DRAM cache?
leaden mauve
potent portal
X79 💪
Considering quad channel DDR3 is about equal to DDR4 bandwidth at lower latency yeah
weary galleon
When looking for a M.2 SSD to use as a boot drive, what kind of features am I lo...
Pretty sure on nvme/newer ssds dram isn't as important.
I think for boot drives dram does help a bit
But the main thing is to not get a QLC drive
strong raft
Dram is great on sata ssds. Nvme ssds can leverage pc ram using hmb. WD SN770 is 1 quick example how good they can be even w/o dram, but indeed lots of models above around $75+/TB usually have dram.
weak grail
So I have a Ryzen 7 5700g and an EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Ultra Gaming GPU. I’m new to pc gaming and was told that it would be good for 1440p gaming. I have a 1080p 144hz monitor. Would it be worth upgrading the monitor?
potent portal
"Worth it" is up you really. Personally I like the higher level of detail you can get at 1440p, and I sit fairly close to the screen so the resolution makes sense for me.
weak grail
No, I’m an RPG player.
Yeah, I think I might. It seems like anything above 60fps would be good looking with more detail
I was looking online about bottlenecking. Didn’t understand it much, but I kind of get it now. I was thinking of upgrading the CPU, but I like the thought of having backup graphics for “emergencies”
Exactly
potent portal
The basics you should know about bottlenecks start with the simple fact EVERY computer has one.
ripe spear
Ok So This is My Aio cooler and it needs replacing. how do i tell what is equal ...
Why are the tubes so short?
potent portal
The second basic is at lower resolutions (1080p or lower) the load on the cpu increases. At higher resolutions, the gpu load increases.
weak grail
The second basic is at lower resolutions (1080p or lower) the load on the cpu in...
interesting
Got it. That makes sense
For the monitor?
weak grail
$200-$250 maybe
ripe spear
https://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VX2768-2KP-MHD-Frameless-FreeSync-DisplayPort/dp/B08ND5PHND/
or
https://www.amazon.com/Pixio-PX278-Response-FreeSync-Esports/dp/B0947D1G2B/
these you could go for or Rommy can pick something else up
second one has a 30$ off coupon
weak grail
Nice!! Thank you!!
ripe spear
That would be a better monitor but out of his price range
weak grail
Yeah. It’s a tad rich. Maybe I’ll sell my current monitor or something to recoup.
But that one is really nice
ripe spear
Ya i am aware but i assume he wanted something for right now