general-chat

[tranquil pebble]

can be done with swords and stuff too via attributes

worst of all you can save such items to the hotbar thing and bring them into any creative server

yeah its bad

[storm narwhal]

LMAOO

Me finding a game breaking exploit but the devs are too lazy to fix it

[tranquil pebble]

Theres even a chest exploit that puts so much nbt data into someones inventory that they can no longer log in to the server until they get their inv deleted by an admin

[tranquil pebble]

I had personal experience cleaning up the aftermath of this being used on a server I ran

not to mention books that execute commands when clicked it being used to trick admins to accidentally running nasty commands

Minecraft is just a mess

Creative mode has no safeguards on what you can spawn

[storm narwhal]

They're just releasing 3 mobs a year now

[tranquil pebble]

nah Im not the one using it on others anyways quite actually I was trying to stop these on a server

[storm narwhal]

Meanwhile the April fool's beta was the biggest and best update they did in years

[rancid juniper]

Ah ok

Minecraft does the bare minimum in updates

It's whatever ig

[tranquil pebble]

its not an issue if you dont play on public servers

but if you do, and its creative mode... best watch out for other players

[rancid juniper]

XD

[tranquil pebble]

at that point its almost like theyre taunting their players

[storm narwhal]

Just to let you know we could do actually good updates but we won't

Because people are content buying the stupid cosmetics in bedrock

There's so much advertising in bedrock it hurts

[tranquil pebble]

Bedrock is just Minecraft: MTX edition

[north crescent]

Dont forget those are updates with zero QA in bugs or balancing

[mental yoke]

Heh

Taken from my iphone 13

From the backseat of my car

[dusk knot]

Wonderful

You know we have #photography

👀

You wouldn't want your photo to be lost in a sea of conversations

[mortal grail]

Buh

[dusk knot]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-sheep-scared-gasp-omg-gif-13118156

[idle nexus]

heck I didn't know there was 5000 grit sandpaper

[dusk knot]

very fine

[idle nexus]

lol I used a 240 grit nail buffer on my IHS

need to step my game up

[dusk knot]

ye

[idle nexus]

https://www.amazon.com/Buffer-Professional-Polishing-Manicure-Natural/dp/B07KWY16TT/ref=sr_1_14?

the nail things are good cuz they keep their shape

easier than sandpaper at least ig

[dusk knot]

this do be the truth

sandpaper wears down fast depending on how much force and speed you use

[idle nexus]

& hard to apply pressure evenly

[dusk knot]

very hard

[sinful blade]

There are 5000 packs of ladybugs you can just buy

[dusk knot]

unless you have those handheld thingies

[idle nexus]

like a belt sander or something?

[idle nexus]

not sure I follow lol

[sinful blade]

https://www.amazon.com/Clark-Co-Organic-3000-Ladybugs/dp/B087NHC4Z7/

You can get actual ladybugs

But they’re costly

[fair onyx]

I wanna end it allllll lmaoooo

[dusk knot]

You're COOKING today!

Stay hydrated and stay indoors

🙏

[velvet summit]

watesiggma

spontaneous combustion

[dusk knot]

Spontaneous incineration

One step outside and you'll find his burned shadow mark on the ground

[fair onyx]

It gets worse

Our whole house AC is out. So our house is 94 :3

[dusk knot]

That happened to me once

It was like 97 in the house

I had to walk around shirtless

[fair onyx]

Luckily, my boss just paid for me to have my window AC installed so I can work during the summer and not have a heat stroke

So I was able to block off our hall with a curtain rod and a heavy blanket, and keep my room and my mom's room habitable

[dusk knot]

Sorry to hear that

That's seriously dangerous

[fair onyx]

We are cleaning our our second house and it was 96 upstairs. AC has been on for like 2 hours

[dusk knot]

Damn

Global warming is getting serious now

[fair onyx]

We live in the Mojave desert. Same one as last Vegas and Arizona, so it's just naturally insane

Just glad we aren't in palm springs or furcae creek

Furnace Creek just broke multiple heat records. Might actually break its own record for hottest place on earth pretty soon

[dusk knot]

Rip

One of these days you're going to see 140°

[fair onyx]

Furnace Creek is close to 130

Highest ever was in furnace Creek death valley for 136 in 1913

[dusk knot]

scary

[velvet summit]

living up to its name

[idle nexus]

maybe I'll try to sand the die on 13900KS when my 2000 grit sanding things get here

what could possibly go wrong? lol

[dusk knot]

Go finer

[idle nexus]

5k sounds like it would be better you're right

one time I tried using rubbing compound (for cars) to get liquid metal off

it actually worked fairly well but unfortunately I had already scratched it to heck before that

[dusk knot]

youch

[plain stone]

uhh which?

[mortal grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282917696495026177/1259930780143190097/d2300bda21de6fdd0dd0c1a010c804ce.mp4?ex=668d797a&is=668c27fa&hm=85bafa769995db2546e62b55a7f90e20f6d2805d613d8845976c1dfb08a5e8c2&

[plain stone]

no freaking way LMAO

diesel powered pc

[idle nexus]

tightening the screws helps

[mortal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/lastv8-mad-max-blower-interceptor-gif-26211982

[idle nexus]

all IHSs are copper if you try hard enough

it's a little rough tho but when my 2000 grit sanding thing gets here on Wednesday I'll smooth it more I hope

[storm narwhal]

LMAO WHAT

[somber skiff]

Flatness match to the cooler coldplate is more important than finish

Lap both, with a real lapping plate

[storm narwhal]

Real

[idle nexus]

wym? I am a lapping plate

jk what's that look like?

[somber skiff]

ihs mirror selfie or fake

[idle nexus]

lol it's under heatkiller now

[somber skiff]

For those who dare

[idle nexus]

those who dare to ruin their IHSs

but don't dare to invest in a pot for real OC glory

I think that's the unabridged version iirc

[obsidian berry]

All CPU’s can have direct die contact if u sand hard enough

[mortal grail]

All cpus are sand if you try hard sand enough sand

I don't like sand

[plain stone]

help #overclocking

[idle nexus]

but CPU is sand so you don't like CPU

[mortal grail]

Correct

I still have unify nightmares

[proud jackal]

its ok, it cant hurt you

[idle nexus]

me neither. 12-14th gen was not a fun experience

[proud jackal]

yet

[idle nexus]

& by fun I mean easy

but kinda fun

so nothing

I mean nothing

I'm gonna take my nail file & go home lol

[grave hatch]

is this server active?

[obsidian berry]

Objection, its fancy sand so it’s no longer sand but a silicon that conducts electrons very well

[obsidian berry]

Somewhat

[idle nexus]

used to be super active like 3 years ago

[grave hatch]

out of these mobos which do you think is better at gaming
Gigabyte X670E AORUS PRO X ATX AM5 Motherboard
MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard

[proud jackal]

[obsidian berry]

The cheaper one

[grave hatch]

im getting them both for the same price

[obsidian berry]

I’m Not sure then

I’d check io and if it has enough nvme slots for storage to decide @grave hatch

But if there the same ig u could check the vrm setups, shouldn’t really matter tho for gaming

[mortal grail]

Neither, they're not gaming boards

They're for heavy storage, workstation or server usecases

For just gaming a lot of B650 (and even a couple A620's) are more than enough for people who just want to play games and nothing else

The higher tier board doesn't mean better performance, it means more features for things like

More usb, extra gpu slots, specific headers for certain devices, overclocking niche features brands paywall that don't really do anything

[grave hatch]

wait what are they made for?

[mortal grail]

[proud jackal]

get whatever has better memory support and isnt a pain in the butt

[mortal grail]

Brands will label them as "gaming" to make you pay more

[grave hatch]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/R9DdL9 can u find a really good gaming motherboard for this?

[mortal grail]

Could save a fair bit here

Do you like overclocking @grave hatch

[grave hatch]

yes!

[mortal grail]

Ok

[grave hatch]

getting high fps in games is the content i make

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

@grave hatch prefer white yes or no

[grave hatch]

u pick

[grave hatch]

what ever is the most powerful

[mortal grail]

I'm weighing up a few options is all

[idle nexus]

I can vouch for X670E Taichi as a pretty good board but it's also the only AM5 I've used so there's that

[grave hatch]

is it for gaming?

[mortal grail]

What's your max budget mate

[grave hatch]

for the mobo?

[mortal grail]

How much were you roughly aiming for

Ye

Mobo or total

[grave hatch]

up to 500

[idle nexus]

it games just fine lol

[grave hatch]

mobo 500

[idle nexus]

$500? heck maybe X670E MEG ACE. I think Crosshair might be a little more than $500

[grave hatch]

500 aud btw

[idle nexus]

heck X670E Crosshair Hero is $650 US so I dunno how many kangaroo bucks that is

[grave hatch]

best way to represent australian currency lmfao

[grave hatch]

spider money

[idle nexus]

lolol

tbh we mostly trade in Big Macs here anyway

[grave hatch]

how many burgers do americans consume per hour

[idle nexus]

I think like 8-12 per day so you'd have to do the math lmao

[grave hatch]

host humble racism

[mortal grail]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/VLFLGP
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zrRxwg

Second list is a fair bit better

[mortal grail]

Are you streaming a lot

Might change what I got here

[idle nexus]

hows 7900GRE in terms of value? isn't it pretty good now that memory OC is available?

[grave hatch]

yea i will

[idle nexus]

I know it was a bit lacking in the memory bandwidth department

[mortal grail]

GRE nice but if you're spending the same vs xtx it's a big drop

It has wild memory variations

Some do 2600

Some 2300

[storm narwhal]

Oh gre vs xtx for same price?

[idle nexus]

GRE is cheaper

tho offhand, I dunno by how much

[mortal grail]

Might put an nvidia card here then if you don't like using obs

[grave hatch]

btw what is the better one the intel or amd

[storm narwhal]

Nvidia still good for obs no?

[grave hatch]

can u?

[mortal grail]

Actually you know what

[idle nexus]

is 7900GRE better than 7900XT? iirc GPU core is but memory I don't remember

[mortal grail]

Nevermind

Wtf with the price discrepancy

[idle nexus]

I mean it's a golden rabbit so it has to be fast

[mortal grail]

It's $150-$250 to change to the equivalent nvidia

Wtf is this

[storm narwhal]

AMD has av1 natively which is good

[storm narwhal]

The hell

[mortal grail]

4070 super and GRE are not 50 apart

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

They're 200 apart

[mortal grail]

Similar if good bin

Marginal

@grave hatch I changed my mind not recommending new nvidia at all. Horrendous value for AU. I didn't know it was that bad

The markup is far worse than anywhere else I remember

[idle nexus]

hardware unborked complains about nvidia prices in Australia lol

[grave hatch]

ah kk, btw which one gives higher fps the intel or amd build that u made?

[mortal grail]

Depends

What's your main games

[grave hatch]

fortnite, mc, gta, cod

gmod

csgo

people playground

[idle nexus]

nvidia is better for RT & arguably, has better software stuff (DLSS, etc.) but AMD is impressive for raw power

& better in terms of value

[mortal grail]

Intel will have better minimum fps but will overclock like ass in equivalence to dragging the redbacks out from the corners of your stairs.

Meanwhile amd will have longer mobo support and albeit bit worse minimum fps, but much lower power and runs dead easy. Like having daddy long legs that actually do their job and pay rent

Intel has better multicore, but doesn't matter for games

[idle nexus]

Intel CPU or GPU?

[mortal grail]

AMD will run more efficient

[mortal grail]

CPU

Well

[idle nexus]

ah okay

[mortal grail]

Wait

No cpu

I brain died

[storm narwhal]

True

[mortal grail]

GPU kinda applies

[idle nexus]

was gonna say Intel CPUs OC really well, especially for memory--if you're willing to make overclocking your part-time job lol

[grave hatch]

ok can u build me a 2590 aud build thats good fr builds and it will have long support and really good overclocking capabilitys?

[mortal grail]

The ones I linked have all of that

I even found a gen 4 SSD that's better than a 990 pro for a fraction of the price mate

Christmas has come early

[grave hatch]

ok

[mortal grail]

One other thing to note @grave hatch btw

If you go amd

That ram kit

Manually set it to 6200

[grave hatch]

ok

[mortal grail]

It's a realllyyyyy good kit

But running it at 7000 on amd is worse than 6000-6400

[idle nexus]

6400 ez if you wanna make that your part-time job lol

[grave hatch]

btw can u put a better mobo and cheaper gpu?

[mortal grail]

This is due to a memory clock syncing feature

[mortal grail]

Both mobos are great

[idle nexus]

did I tell you BIOS update unborked 6400? oh wait ya I did & you thought I was crazy running c28 lmao

[mortal grail]

Is there something you need?

[grave hatch]

nah its good

[mortal grail]

Well I mean check it

If you think you need something lmk

But that's about as reasonable it gets for a 7900XTX build

[grave hatch]

atx mobo?

[storm narwhal]

they both are still good lol

[mortal grail]

Ah ok

[storm narwhal]

ah, atx for more expansion

[mortal grail]

I need to pursue this line of thinking

What are you looking for to use on the atx mobo?

Cos the atx version is the same, just less slots

All of which are pcie 1x btw

[grave hatch]

wdym

[mortal grail]

Unless you spend like

$500 usd?

[grave hatch]

wait cause can u find me a mobo that is compadable on pcpp cause i dont wanna go in bios and update it for the cpu

[mortal grail]

All the extra atx slots on am5 are cut down

[idle nexus]

many X670Es are EATX no?

iirc taichi is

[mortal grail]

They'll be 16x slots but only capable of 1x

So they're all effectively just wifi card slots

[storm narwhal]

physical x16

actual x1

[mortal grail]

Yep physically 16 in size, reality 1x in bandwidth

[storm narwhal]

important if you want to install more things that require higher bandwidth

[mortal grail]

Gotta ask, bios updating is like the basics of basics for overclocking mate lol

It'll be compatible out of the box

Pcpp has false positives for warnings

[storm narwhal]

probably the very first thing you need to know haha

[grave hatch]

oh ok

[grave hatch]

i changed the mobo to https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/qRnBCd

hol lemme find a black gpu

[mortal grail]

Kinda makes that list not worth it tho

Like again, it's just slots you basically can't use

[grave hatch]

oh ok

[mortal grail]

I could put a smaller case so it looks nice

Would you prefer that

[grave hatch]

sure

[storm narwhal]

oh is he worried about the look of matx in an atx case

[mortal grail]

There's some really nice small form factor cases here for that price

Yeah it's fine

Understandable concern

[storm narwhal]

fair

i figured he just wanted more x1 expansion haha

[grave hatch]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zrRxwg how much fps would i get on fortnite from this?

[idle nexus]

best OC mATX is Crosshair Gene? 2-DIMM?

[mortal grail]

A lot

Almost tied with 4090 if you set it up correctly

One sec

[grave hatch]

can u estimate the fps?

[idle nexus]

depends on resolution too

[storm narwhal]

8k

(I will get 1 fps)

[mortal grail]

Cannot

[grave hatch]

hd

[mortal grail]

Watch this vid

#graphics-cards message

[idle nexus]

1920x1080?

[mortal grail]

You'll want a much nicer display imo for that

[grave hatch]

yes

[mortal grail]

If you're gonna stay on 1080p, going above like, 7700xt, 6800 non-xt is diminishing returns

You'll be playing but only using a handful of the gpu at all times

[grave hatch]

so the specs are unnessicarily high to run on hd

[idle nexus]

1080p relies more on CPU to a certain extent

[mortal grail]

Yes

Way high

We brought a ferrari to a subaru meet mate

[storm narwhal]

great analogy

1440p would be a much more appropriate target resolution

[grave hatch]

ah ok lol

[storm narwhal]

unlike 4k

[mortal grail]

Now while we're on the topic @grave hatch do you like a nice looking case, a no nonsense case, a simple nice case, or a fantastically small but versatile case

Also would you prefer to stay on 1080p or go up to 1440p

[grave hatch]

not sure i just want really high fps cause im gonan make video of like pushing games to the limit

[grave hatch]

i want a reasonable case

[mortal grail]

Reasonable like

Just does it's job?

[storm narwhal]

reasonable is very ambiguous

[mortal grail]

Affordable?

They're all affordable

[storm narwhal]

it could mean any number of things haha

[mortal grail]

The ones I'm thinking

[grave hatch]

yea but i also want it to look good

[storm narwhal]

i figured i used the term wrong

I did

anyway

[mortal grail]

Cheap and nice

Cheap and easy

Small, really small but very versatile and expandable

[grave hatch]

can u add it to the list

[mortal grail]

The halfway between small but does everything

(assume black)

[mortal grail]

Which do you like

[grave hatch]

can u pick one with good lookng rgb?

[mortal grail]

It's very easy to add rgb fans

You're just after fans?

Or something else

[mortal grail]

All cases can look like this for rgb if that's what you're seeking

[grave hatch]

idk lol, can u pick for me?

[mortal grail]

Lol

[grave hatch]

btw can u pick a cheaper gpu and a better mobo?

24gb is unnessicarly high for what im gonan use

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

Important question, do you want a better monitor

What's your fps of your current one

[grave hatch]

165 i think

[mortal grail]

For mobo this little msi is like one of the best for budget, but if you want a different flavour I can

[mortal grail]

Would you want to go up to 1440p or nah

I can make it fit

[grave hatch]

ill buy a monitor later i dont want a better monitor rn

[mortal grail]

Ok

[mortal grail]

And this?

[grave hatch]

yea can u add a mobo with better performance?

[mortal grail]

It's already max performance

[grave hatch]

oh thats good then

[mortal grail]

As I said, performance is not affected by the mobo

[grave hatch]

true frfr

[mortal grail]

I could teach you why this does matter in certain scenarios but that'll take a while

For your situation this is overkill and maxed

[grave hatch]

ok good good nice i wanted that lmfao

so out of the box https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/zrRxwg the cpu is compadable with the mobo?

[mortal grail]

Ok give me a bit

I'm tidying it up

[grave hatch]

ok

im going for an anti rgb build i decided that

wait no rgb looks beautiful

i see that a fellow arch user is typing

[grand kernel]

💀

[grave hatch]

never got to install a graphical enviourment cause idk which one to download

[mortal grail]

I can do either or here

Lmao

Last question, color preference

[grave hatch]

white

[mortal grail]

Ok

Mmmmmm

Might leave the board not white

[grave hatch]

yea

[mortal grail]

Or hang on maybe intel

[grave hatch]

erm...

u choose cause i have no computer knowlage

[mortal grail]

Ah

I know how I'll do this

[grand kernel]

cyrix

[mortal grail]

It'll look almost completely white too even with the board

[grave hatch]

alr

wait btw r u making a pcpp

[mortal grail]

@grave hatch took me a minute but this will look basically completely white
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Y7Z7VW

Save for a small bit of the mobo appearing here and there

[grave hatch]

ok

[mortal grail]

Room in the budget for 1440p

[grave hatch]

can u add an msi board

wait no

tuf gaming looks good

[mortal grail]

Oh yeah I saw a much nicer one

The $15 worth for the little addons

[grave hatch]

saw what?

[mortal grail]

The mobo

B650e is not normally this cheap

$15 is worth it

To give a little context btw, this pc case is like, slightly bigger than an xbox

[idle nexus]

btw Felix, quick question that I've been finding difficult to answer: not factoring in price (I have both already), would you put a 2080ti or a 3070 in a build with a 13600K? it's not to sell, just to use

[mortal grail]

It's small but fits almost everything current gen

[mortal grail]

Ofc I would

[idle nexus]

2080ti or 3070?

[mortal grail]

That's like asking me if I prefer apples or oranges

[idle nexus]

both are waterblocked

[mortal grail]

Lol

[idle nexus]

it's like, damn 3070 is faster GPU but 2080ti has more vram

& isn't thaat much slower than 3070

[mortal grail]

2080ti is slightly faster and more vram

[idle nexus]

I've been leaning towards 2080ti

[mortal grail]

You can yeet a 2080ti on power, 3070 you cannot

[idle nexus]

oh ya 2080ti is crazy

when I ran it with stonk XC2 or whatever vBIOS, it was alright

[mortal grail]

Build, power, perf, 2080ti

[idle nexus]

when I put KP vBIOS on it

[mortal grail]

Rt? 3070

[idle nexus]

heckin thing jumped to TJ so easy

crazy those cards are limited by PL & not the usual nvidia starves it for voltage hecking

lol RT isn't a major consideration

lol I barely use RT on 4090

[mortal grail]

Ikr

So we both agree then

2080ti all the way

Lol

[idle nexus]

maybe if I played CyberPunk on 4090 but I was still using 3080ti then

lol okay thanks

that's what I was leaning towards anyway

8gb vram makes it hard to commit to 3070

[mortal grail]

I mean 8gb works you just need to think when you use it

[idle nexus]

ig I'd use a 3070 over a 1080ti but 2080ti nah

[grave hatch]

yo btw apprantly the msi mobo has better vrms than tuf

[mortal grail]

Same vrm, both 8+2

[grave hatch]

ok

[mortal grail]

But tuf has more io and better slot features like gen 5 m.2 (when they get affordable and you need it later)

[grave hatch]

what is the msi better at than tuf

[mortal grail]

MSI doesn't have a poor record on AM5 💀

I mean it's up to you if you want to change

I consider both decent

[grave hatch]

no i dont want to

[idle nexus]

heck I might've gotten MEG ACE if it wasn't so expensive

I kinda have a love/hate thing going with MSI tbh

[grave hatch]

im gonna buy the pc december christmas as a gift formyself will it be outdated by then?

[idle nexus]

Zen 5 coming soon

lol

[grave hatch]

wait what

[mortal grail]

@grave hatch to give context asus had a scandal with warranties on am5, also their prime motherboards are actually bad. Tuf afaik is fine

Asus in AU is ok tho

[idle nexus]

I think in the next couple months the 9xxx AMD CPUs should launch no?

[mortal grail]

The...

The whole thing will be outdated

[grave hatch]

oh ok

[grave hatch]

can u give me a list on december lmfao

[mortal grail]

Come back at Christmas

[idle nexus]

dammit I refuse to beta test Arrow-Lake this time around

[mortal grail]

We can make a list in december

[grave hatch]

alr

[grave hatch]

bet

[mortal grail]

I think the only thing not outdated will be the case

[idle nexus]

as much as I want CAM memory & stuff

[mortal grail]

Z20 is goated

[mortal grail]

I'm not even considering it

I will probably go dual am5 later

Intel lost me at 14th gen lol

[idle nexus]

dude 12-14th was just exhausting

[mortal grail]

Arrow lake would have to be super convincing

[idle nexus]

like I don't even have 14th anything but it's pretty much 13th so I'm confident including it

beta testing DDR5 has been exhausting lol

[mortal grail]

Well yeah

I'm same

It's just 13th

But my point entirely

[idle nexus]

memory OC on Z690 Dark with 12900K/m-die was like... almost broke me lol

[mortal grail]

Intel gotta work for their future

I'm not buying into stagnation

Amd all the same

If they get complacent I'll jump back

[idle nexus]

13900KS was pretty meh so when 14900KS dropped I didn't even give it a second thought

[mortal grail]

Pretty much

[idle nexus]

I ordered 13900KS like the minute it was available on Newegg

I was there refreshing

I was so excited ngl

6.0ghz was cool but like

between the near impossibility of cooling it & Unify-X's crap memory

instead I doubled down & ordered a freaking Apex out of Germany

I tried 37 different BIOS on Apex

you know that whole thing about trying the same thing over & over but expecting different results? lol

[mortal grail]

Mate at the end of it you became a genius at ddr5 tho

LOL

[idle nexus]

I don't think I've tried 37 BIOSs on every other motherboard I've owned combined lol

[idle nexus]

lol it sure as heck doesn't feel like it

ig DDR4 was just so mature when I started messing with it that it was predictable

i.e., easy

[mortal grail]

You became the master of arranging about 11 numbers and 4 voltages mate

You killed it

☠️

[idle nexus]

at what cost? lmfao

some people can stabilize 8200 on Unify-X

imagine how many hours of throwing spaghetti that took

"enable lucky mode 5; advanced interleave on; training config: [enable/disable like 8 things]; set voltages blah blah; do hokie pokie; turn yourself around; test for 4 days; then you're good to go np"

[mortal grail]

Mate things like that keep me in bed

[elfin mural]

lmao

[tranquil pebble]

I recently realized that when you program an Arduino you're basically writing firmware for it

albeit with a bunch of support libraries that make that easier

[sinful blade]

This would be a poor trade

[plain stone]

if i have a fan hub

that connects to one fan header right

then it also connects the psu for power, the little "L" looking plug

if all that is correct, will i still be able to control each fan rpm/rgb independently?

[elfin mural]

yes

no to that

it will control everything at once

[plain stone]

oh it seems like it connects to sata

[elfin mural]

ya

a lot of fan hubs use sata for power

cuz sata can supply up to 50w

[plain stone]

thanks

[elfin mural]

don't ever think about powering a gpu with that tho

dangerous idea

[tranquil pebble]

guaranteed electrical problems

which can result in releasing smoke and possible burning

[plain stone]

i have a friend thinking about getting molex to sata for his hdd

[elfin mural]

yeah

[plain stone]

will that work

[elfin mural]

heck no

that's asking for issues

[plain stone]

he did some research, dunno where he got his info from

let me ask here for him

[tranquil pebble]

do things properly if you dont want issues

[tranquil pebble]

probably reddit or 4chan

[elfin mural]

molex itself is fine, but

it has no standard

[tranquil pebble]

aka terrible sources

[elfin mural]

and a lot of cheap molex are crap

[plain stone]

what should he do?

[tranquil pebble]

use the appropriate cables

[plain stone]

he doesn't have enough sata ports for another drive

[elfin mural]

something like a 6pin pcie to sata

would be safer

but appropriate cables would be best

[tranquil pebble]

and sata pcie cards exist

[elfin mural]

not having one more drive space is better than electrical issues

like ones that could burn the pc down

especially if the psu isn't exactly good

[tranquil pebble]

^

[elfin mural]

or is not good and old

[plain stone]

lol

[tranquil pebble]

typing on a JIS keyboard rn and its interesting

[plain stone]

he has the worst case scenario ig

gotta tell him

[tranquil pebble]

no, worst case scenario is he follows some bad advice and starts a fire

dont let him do that

[plain stone]

exactly

bad psu not certified, small ass case everything cramped, wants to add another drive; said he'll solder lol

[tranquil pebble]

hell no

soldering + psu is bad

[tranquil pebble]

honestly should get a more suitable system

[plain stone]

he's working on it

just jank

[elfin mural]

yikes

[plain stone]

gonna scroll through hardwaregore to cope

[elfin mural]

i hope he doesn't kill his stuff

judging by the way he's approaching this

[tranquil pebble]

or cause a fire

[elfin mural]

he'll lose money

[plain stone]

thanks for the concern

we've been talking tho

[worthy tapir]

Has the newegg app been awfully slow lately for anyone else?

[sinful blade]

Yes

[sweet phoenix]

The newegg app has been horrible since I got it two or three years ago

It's slow, the search system is horrible, filter system is horrible, the layout was not adapted from a desktop site properly

[sinful blade]

@sweet phoenix look what someone offered me for the Xbox

[sweet phoenix]

Lol

I mean

Value is probably not far behind lol

[safe cape]

why do you want a pc ?

[sinful blade]

Found one on eBay for $30

[sinful blade]

Cuz I haven’t had a pc for a while now
And I figured I’d trade/sell my old Xbox one S for one

I know I ain’t getting anything good

But something’s bound to show up

[safe cape]

yeah pc is cool

but for gaming you have gamepass in your console

a lot of good games

[worthy tapir]

It's always been sluggish. But last few weeks it's been almost non functional.

[sinful blade]

I’ve been out of gamepass for a while

I don’t play enough games to warrant it

Plus I wish to go back to modding oblivion

[safe cape]

you need a gpu for it

[devout forum]

I'm wondering

What's the absolute cheapest CPU to pair with a 4090?

if someone exclusively plays 4k (so CPU bottleneck kinda doesn't matter)

[sinful blade]

I know

[sinful blade]

7800x3D usually

[modern imp]

probably a 13600K/KF (DDR5)

[devout forum]

Is it too dumb to want to go lower?

[modern imp]

I wouldn't consider anything cheaper

[sinful blade]

Maybe a 7600x

[devout forum]

7600
Maybe a 12400F

[modern imp]

a stock 12400f isn't enough at all

[devout forum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXshQYomKF0
Considering this is a thing apparently

[modern imp]

maybe for a 4080

but not a 4090

[devout forum]

Now yes he tried it in exclusively 4k

1440p that CPU would suffer

But the thought experiment is definitely very interesting

7800X3D allows it to soar at any res yes
But you can get away with a lot less if all you care for is GPU horsepower (even if doing that is a bit silly)

[grand kernel]

if you can afford a 4090 you can afford to not gimp it

I did run a 12100 with a 3090 at 1440p for a while though

as a temporary CPU cause I wanted to get off of my r7 5800x immediately but wanted to wait for 13th gen

held up surprisingly well

(my 5800x had usb dropout issues)

r7 5800x to i3-12100 still the biggest upgrade I've ever done

[sweet phoenix]

7600x

[devout forum]

Yeah fair

7600X scrapes by, 7800X3D works out perfectly

[sweet phoenix]

7600x is solid with it, I just wouldn't do lower

[grand kernel]

pretty sure you can still encounter CPU bottlenecks with 7600x 4090 at 4k

even with 7800x3d 4090 sometimes

[sweet phoenix]

Oh for sure

[grand kernel]

in any case I don't think it makes sense to go lower than a 7800x3d to pair with a 4090

if you have 4090 money you have 7800x3d money lol

the 7800x3d is not that expensive

[sweet phoenix]

True

[grand kernel]

not like a 14900ks or something

[sweet phoenix]

I'd still much rather a 7800x3d/4080 super with a 1440p OLED

[grand kernel]

meh if you got money you got money

$3000 is a rounding error to some people

[devout forum]

I mean yea

Now flip it on the head

[sinful blade]

$299 on Amazon with a $20 coupon

Or $319

[devout forum]

Which is the cheapest GPU you'd pair with a 7800X3D

[sweet phoenix]

7900 gre/4070 super preferably

[sinful blade]

^

[devout forum]

I know, I'm a pedantic POS asking these questions but the thought experiment is fascinating

[sinful blade]

Wouldn’t go anything lower than even a 4070

[sweet phoenix]

Assuming it's a fresh build anyways

[sinful blade]

Probably 12400k or 7600x if it’s anywhere below that

[devout forum]

7800X3D+7900GRE is like the "meta" 1440p PC lately, truly crazy

[modern imp]

no it doesn't

[sinful blade]

Yeah it do

[grand kernel]

7800x3d with integrated graphics 🙂

[sinful blade]

7800X3DG

[grand kernel]

that statement is demonstrably false lol

you can even see cpu bottlenecks with 7800x3d at 4k let alone "any res"

you realize "any res" includes 240p yeah?

[devout forum]

I mean fair
It's more about resolutions that people actually play at

[modern imp]

nothing can feed a 4090 consistently at 4K or lower

[sinful blade]

2k or so

[devout forum]

And it's unironically not good enough for 8k lmao

[sinful blade]

If you need 8k for anything

[grand kernel]

people actually play at 720p

[sinful blade]

You’re a creative media student

Lemme play destiny 2 on a dual 4090 7950X3D setup

[grand kernel]

there are people playing at 640x480 on 4090s

[sinful blade]

…what

[devout forum]

🧢

[worthy meteor]

Csgo gamers?

[grand kernel]

csgo

[sinful blade]

Bout to say

[grand kernel]

4:3 stretched gaming

[worthy meteor]

Real stretchy

[devout forum]

I don't think even they go down to 480p

[worthy meteor]

They need that 1000+fps on cs2

[grand kernel]

ah but they do

[modern imp]

regardless the closest you are getting to consistently feeding a 4090 is either any of the raptor skus and/or zen4x3d depending on the game

[sinful blade]

https://youtu.be/VbL1LhCePOo?feature=shared

Destiny 2 gaming

[grand kernel]

anyone else playing maplestory at 800x600 on a 4090

[sinful blade]

This is my master plan

[modern imp]

that's pretty underwhelming

[sinful blade]

Destiny 2 on a 4090

[modern imp]

Raptor can get fairly close to 300 in D2

regardless that's not a good thing

since last I checked the player damage is tied to framerate

so you take more damage the higher the framerate is

[grand kernel]

💀

[sinful blade]

That’s no longer the case

For mostly everything

[grand kernel]

what kind of scuffed programming is that

[sinful blade]

I think one enemy is tied to it still

[grand kernel]

you take damage for every frame the attack is colliding with you?

lmao

[sinful blade]

But the game is 7 years old already
They’ll need a new game eventually

[velvet summit]

guh

internet down for some reason

and it doesnt appear to be an outage

[grand kernel]

high refresh gaming was already common 7 years ago crazy they were still tying game logic to frame rate in a PC game

[sinful blade]

No
Some just have issues colliding with player models
Hits for more damage if it takes longer to hit through model I think

[grand kernel]

💀

[sinful blade]

It’s built off of a 10 year old engine

They’re using a heavily modified BLAM engine

[grand kernel]

just set a flag that the attack already connected and skip the damage calculation man

[sinful blade]

Effort

[velvet summit]

10 years ago they already realized that it was dumb to tie things to cpu clocks or framerates

[grand kernel]

people were definitely doing >60 fps gaming 10 years ago

[sinful blade]

100%

[grand kernel]

10 years ago was 6700k 980ti

[sinful blade]

God I feel old

[modern imp]

imagine not doing OCed haswell-E instead smh

[grand kernel]

did haswell-e beat skylake in 2014 games?

I didn't know anything about computers until like 2020 lol

[modern imp]

Haswell-E was probably the last gen of HEDT that had no downsides over client other than price (if you did OC)

Broadwell-E started doing multi ring which slowed the uncore, and skylake-X did mesh

[safe cape]

is there a limit of emojis in the server ?

[modern imp]

Skylake wasn't even that much better than haswell other than memory improvements iirc

like 10% ipc uplift?

[grand kernel]

I would think the skylake architecture advantages would overcome oced haswell-e

[modern imp]

and AVX512 didn't come like it was originally planned

[grand kernel]

hmm maybe quad channel was making more difference with early ddr4

[modern imp]

I mean nowdays it would win mostly because of the better AVX2 implementation and less painful security mitigations

at the time that wouldn't really matter

[grand kernel]

was good b-die even around back then?

[modern imp]

games didn't even really require sse4.2 at that point

[grand kernel]

think people were paying huge amounts for like

4x4gb 2133 14-14-14 xmp

[rancid juniper]

p

[grand kernel]

$200+

[rancid juniper]

c

[sinful blade]

People still try to sell it for that much @grand kernel

[rancid juniper]

https://youtu.be/gV3fDDLr918?si=EH_lZr_CCHy0KaaJ

[grand kernel]

I mean maybe a few random idiots on facebook marketplace but that's definitely not the norm

[rancid juniper]

feeling a bit itchy since i couldn't hit 3700mhz cl16

even if it can boot and whatnot same goes for 3800

stopped tuning

[grand kernel]

nice laggy pc you got there

[rancid juniper]

🗿

[grand kernel]

time to upgrade

[rancid juniper]

you and felix finding ways to roast my pc

[grand kernel]

imagine not dailying 9600c28 for optimal frametimes in genshin impact

unsubbed

[safe cape]

[rancid juniper]

genshin impact more like felloff impact

😂

my 1% - 0.1% lows stays at 60fps frfr no cap bruh

.__.

[grand kernel]

I heard the game is gonna get a graphics update

[rancid juniper]

wut

[grand kernel]

I managed to make 4080 fall below 60 fps in it

[sinful blade]

My 1% lows are on an Xbox one s

Except when I’m on my series x

[rancid juniper]

skill issue

😏

[rancid juniper]

all BUTTER???

[grand kernel]

like 40 fps average

[rancid juniper]

what resolution

[grand kernel]

yes

[sinful blade]

Butter

[rancid juniper]

crazy

[grand kernel]

lol

4080 can render most of the game at 8k60

just some specific places where it can't keep up

[bitter solar]

@solemn gulch are you playing FH4 on steam or xbox?

[grand kernel]

lost ark briefly maxed out my 4080 the other day

there's only one map that can do that

[rancid juniper]

hmmm ok, well its been too long since ive played genshin so i have no clue how it runs on my 7800xt

you kept playing lost ark lately

[grand kernel]

normally my 4080 is only running 180-220 watts in that game

the entrance map for the new raid pushed it to 400 watts

[rancid juniper]

play sonic unleashed i dare ya

[sinful blade]

[rancid juniper]

heck maybe forba glitchersport 8

[grand kernel]

yep I have once again ruined my life by allowing friends to rope me into an mmo

[rancid juniper]

☠️

[worthy meteor]

Next stop, raid shadow legends

[mortal grail]

I've been autoing a game in the background while I work at 1080p

[sinful blade]

I unironically enjoyed sonic unleashed when I got it on release

[rancid juniper]

oh no

[mortal grail]

WOW I JUST GOT HERE

[sinful blade]

Game was fun for me

[mortal grail]

ASS

[rancid juniper]

lol

[mortal grail]

[sinful blade]

Doc

I got some problems

[mortal grail]

Bro saw a storm and let slip his emotions

[mortal grail]

Here's 600mL of acetone

[grand kernel]

the map that pushed my 4080 to 400 watts

[mortal grail]

Take hourly

[sinful blade]

LMAO

[mortal grail]

That'll be $70

[rancid juniper]

UI GO CRAZY BRUH

as expected of an mmo

[mortal grail]

Fun fact my system still doesn't even bother to turn the fans on with this and all my other work going

[sinful blade]

My inhalers are free
I’ll be DAMNED if I pay for nail polish remover

[mortal grail]

I need to authorise this script through the NHS sir

It costs money to serve medicine

[sinful blade]

Run it through the discount card

[mortal grail]

I can't afford my lexus without it

[mortal grail]

Hmph, okay

[rancid juniper]

ps4 emulation actually exists

wowie

[sinful blade]

Fiancé is a pharmacy tech so I actually know a fair bit about pharmacy stuff now

[rancid juniper]

hehehheehheheheheh

[sinful blade]

Are you okay Mr John computer

Gg

[rancid juniper]

am i? AM I??????? THIS IS AN ACHIEVEMENT, WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO GETTING GAMES LIKE BLOODYBORNE AND PT ON PC

[pliant berry]

this place is pg language only

[grand kernel]

I've definitely seen worse tbh

[sinful blade]

Bloodborne gets 1 fps on pc rn

[grand kernel]

I could also hide a good amount of it if I wanted to

[pliant berry]

ye

[rancid juniper]

🤔

[sinful blade]

Runs like a dream

[bitter solar]

BBQ at Theo's

[proud jackal]

[worthy meteor]

Does it come with the bell pepper

[grand kernel]

isn't that really cheap for 11 pounds of a5

[velvet summit]

11 pounds for only 800?

[proud jackal]

Bell pepper not included*

[worthy meteor]

Damn

[velvet summit]

scammed

[sinful blade]

@proud jackal can you make some chicken too

[grand kernel]

damn the bell pepper was like $400 of it

[velvet summit]

no bell pepper

[grand kernel]

unlucky

[velvet summit]

real

[grand kernel]

but yeah I'm pretty sure that's a crazy deal on a5

[sinful blade]

YO
SWEAR
BAD

[rancid juniper]

im telling the teacher

[worthy meteor]

I'd just worry about actually eating all of it

[grand kernel]

yeah for sure

[sinful blade]

Tell the principal too

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-24011443

[pliant berry]

stop

[worthy meteor]

How long can you eat wagyu before you get bored of eating it

[rancid juniper]

10 minutes

[sinful blade]

9

[velvet summit]

buh

support queue is so long

been sitting for 10 mins and only 3 down in the queue

still 25 remaining

[grand kernel]

pov you updated nvidia drivers on linux

[rancid juniper]

lol

[sinful blade]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-breakin-windows10-windows-computer-gif-21384541

[velvet summit]

24

[pliant berry]

should be the other way around

[sinful blade]

Typing Linux into tenor search really just

[velvet summit]

one is a crime
one is saving somebody's computer

[sinful blade]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-linux-user-open-source-gif-26342988

https://tenor.com/view/cat-linux-ubuntu-fork-bomb-funny-gif-26955144

What’s that do

[velvet summit]

23

22

seems to be speeding up a little bit now

21

https://tenor.com/view/21-gif-20187208

damn

sudden drop to 18

[velvet summit]

8

[sinful blade]

@velvet summit gettin crunk on support

[velvet summit]

been waiting for half an hour

more than that

[mortal grail]

35 minutes?

[velvet summit]

more like 45 mins

or actually

50 mins ish?

55 mins?

idk if im mathing right

oh hey im finally first in the queue

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

omw to hug u platonically

[velvet summit]

what if it wasnt platonically

[sinful blade]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-bromantic-love-theres-a-hug-amount-of-bromantic-love-tom-hiddleston-gif-3990236

[solemn gulch]

I play on steam but i do also have it on my xbox

[bitter solar]

Did you pick up the free dlc for the game? Mitsubishi and Sunbeam cars?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1443082/Forza_Horizon_4_Mitsubishi_Car_Pack/?curator_clanid=39804040

[solemn gulch]

i know i got the Mitsubishi car pack i don’t know about the Sunbeam car pack

[bitter solar]

Okay, I'll find a link

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1443010/Forza_Horizon_4_1979_Talbot_Sunbeam_Lotus/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1443011/Forza_Horizon_4_1967_Sunbeam_Tiger/

[sinful blade]

Scam time

Any mods wanna delete that

[tranquil pebble]

Did this on my phone and had to reboot lol

[remote geode]

I wonder, is this UPS good for like, 90 USD?

https://www.cyberpower.com/global/en/product/sku/ut1500eg#specification

:curious:

[velvet summit]

http

that being said, it isnt obviously malicious, though it still seems sus

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchitherock-hitori-gotou-ぼっちざろっく-anime-gif-26895031

[velvet summit]

yeah it's almost certainly phishing or at least some other scam

opened it in a sandbox enviroment in a browser sandboxing service (so it doesnt run on my pc) and then also used a temporary email to sign up

[remote geode]

did you get tuna

[velvet summit]

it's not bad but it also isnt pure sine wave

[remote geode]

yeah

pure sine wave models are like

180 usd

so

well, i can't afford it

[velvet summit]

some electronics might not like the simulated sine waves

[remote geode]

like what usually?

[mental yoke]

I just ordered some tall plants for the front of my house.

[velvet summit]

computers

specifically ones with smaller smoothing capacitors afaik

[remote geode]

i mean

does my psu matter for that

[velvet summit]

yes

i meant the psu specifically

also psus with pfc will also not like simulated sine wave

[remote geode]

i just want it to not die when the power surges or dips

and turn my pc off

[velvet summit]

also lab equipment especially hates simulated sine waves

[remote geode]

womp womp

[sinful blade]

I may have a pc trade

I am excited

[velvet summit]

hmm it only has 150 joules of surge protection

(this is like dollar store surge protector level lmfao)

[surreal kernel]

wait whast that one app called

to check ur ssds health

[remote geode]

yeah i might flip it and get a new one instead

[proud jackal]

Crystaldiskmark?

Crystaldiskinfo?

[idle nexus]

ugh I forgot Apex did this crap. Everytime it's training memory it sends fan speeds to the moon

which is very loud with 3 140 & 3 120mm Noctua HD 3k RPM fans

ig I gotta swap P14/12s in

dammit

[opaque sedge]

So we had pc builds first then keyboard builds and now mouse builds 💀

https://youtube.com/shorts/oVplg2Yt2K4?si=AB6hGNVYFIoULbNt

[idle nexus]

I blame YouTube

[opaque sedge]

What do u think is next custom monitors?

Oh wait somebody’s probably done that already

[idle nexus]

someone will buy some used Intel machines & make their own CPUs who knows lol

[opaque sedge]

https://youtu.be/8mFUTpvetjM?si=lcN29CTDK2CMcX1R

….

Kill me

[dusk knot]

Y

[idle nexus]

as long as likes, shares, & comments cause ad revenue, they'll keep it going

this looks so bad ass lol https://www.amazon.com/Alphacool-U-shape-Water-Cooler-8-fold/dp/B0CV6YGZH2/ref=sr_1_8?

must be such a mission to install tho

[opaque sedge]

Wait rams need cooling too?

[idle nexus]

it depends

for the most part no

for overclocking it, occasionally

[proud jackal]

Cheaper on titanrig directly with their promo code

[mental yoke]

Im so alone, nowhere feels like home, im so alone, tryna find my way back home to you ☹️😅

[sinful blade]

intense edm music follows

[mental yoke]

Yes

[idle nexus]

lol once I get a TR, I'll consider it

[mental yoke]

Hi ggood

Im sorry, I forgot what you wanted me to call you

Mind putting your contact in my phone so we can chat more?

[idle nexus]

sorry do what now?

was running 3070 on 3dmark06

most exciting thing ever

[remote bough]

Can someone help me find the best deal online for an Apple M1 laptop? My budget is $1,000. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[mental yoke]

WALMART SELLS PC PARTS

OMG

I saw a 4090 in there

[idle nexus]

iirc Apple does student discounts from their website but I know nothing about Apple products tbh

[idle nexus]

so does GameStop lol

[mental yoke]

Stores are upgrading their stock

I saw 2 4090’s in there

5 rtx 3060’s

Power supplies

Etc

[idle nexus]

heck, if it sells, they'll stock it

[sinful blade]

Used is the best way to go

[idle nexus]

wth gamestop. Nvidia's website does this to me too occasionally

[sinful blade]

But if you are a student
Buy new

[sinful blade]

VPN?

[idle nexus]

nope

it might be uBlockOrigin but I dunno

[sinful blade]

Probably

[idle nexus]

checked this? https://www.apple.com/us-edu/store

lol GameStop's website is a little misguided

[random osprey]

"Portable Computer Gaming"

[idle nexus]

oh snap GameStop has a 4090 for almost MSRP lol

[sinful blade]

Could get an M2 MacBook Air for $999

New

[idle nexus]

watch, GameStop will become relevant when K|ngP|n starts dropping KP PNY cards lol

[mental yoke]

Lol

Yes they could

[icy ore]

Surprising coming from GameStop lol

[unreal trail]

How to buy framerate for smoother game

[errant helm]

I’m gonna get a pc for Christmas can someone help me on some best all around prebuilt PC

[sinful blade]

It’s not really the best idea to buy prebuilts. Are you able to build one yourself?

[errant helm]

Yeah I’m just kinda lazy and I’ve never built one b4

[sinful blade]

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