cases-psu-and-cooling

[sonic lake]

I still think I am going with a phanteks nv5 mk2

but its weird how much ive changed my stance on rgb

[serene siren]

I'd take an nv5 over a h6

While some nzxt cases have ok prices my stance on their rental program behaviour gives me a different charged feeling on how I should treat the brand

I have long put a lot of their stuff pretty low on the list but that was a real nail in the coffin for me

To that end I'd suggest anything else over a H6 now

[sonic lake]

if i can ever get one of these stupid gpus i can get started

[neon walrus]

can someone help me find a cable. I can’t seem to find one (esp one that’s not cheap crap)

I need a 6p/6p PCIe5 cable

Male to male

I’m not sure what’s a good cable brand now days

[long sphinx]

#build-pics message

it looks bigger than it actually is imo

cable management can be tough with lots of rgb

i struggled with my cable management

[sonic lake]

That is a gorgeous build

[serene siren]

You can't just buy any old pcie cable

You must use ones compatible with your psu which only come in the box unless asus advertised them separately

[neon walrus]

so how do I power something when they don’t provide the cable?

[serene siren]

Since I can't tell at first glance which asus that is and I am busy today hopefully someone else can help you work out if it's a seasonic unit or not (I do not know this unit)

[serene siren]

Do you have daisy connectors

i.e 8+8 pcie cables

[neon walrus]

I’m not sure tbh, I know these fans run high power tho

It’s just to power the dang fans ugh it’s all I have left

I know I have two power to cpu

[elfin trout]

BTW, those empty 6 pins will NOT work for PCIe power, the peripheral connectors are physically wired differently from PCIe cables, the peripheral connector uses 12v, 5v, and 3.3v when PCIe is 12v only

[neon walrus]

Three 2 gpu

[serene siren]

Ah good spot @elfin trout

I wasn't paying attention

Yeah those 6 pin slots aren't for pcie

They're for sata

[neon walrus]

So how do I power my qx120 fans?

[serene siren]

Do you have any pcie slots left?

[elfin trout]

What do they use for power? SATA?

[sand atlas]

You have 4 pcie connectors

[neon walrus]

Theh use pcie weirdly for the hub

[elfin trout]

are you sure it's PCIe not SATA? Which hub do you have?

[neon walrus]

Everything is filled but the peripheral

[serene siren]

Qx120

[elfin trout]

isn't that the fan not the hub

[serene siren]

It's whatever the hub is for qx120

Lol

[sand atlas]

The hub supposedly uses up to 100W or something, each fan is 1.02A

[neon walrus]

It’s the hub that comes with qx120 icue system hub

[elfin trout]

oh corsair system hub

[serene siren]

@neon walrus what cpu do you have

[neon walrus]

Ryzen 7 9800x3d

[serene siren]

Did you use both cpu cables or 1

[neon walrus]

Both

[serene siren]

Take one out

[neon walrus]

O-o u sure

[serene siren]

Plug that open connector to a pcie cable and then you can use the fans

[serene siren]

I mean I own the chip and know it well

[sand atlas]

The second CPU cable is for extreme overclocking

[neon walrus]

does it have the same pins as a normal pcie for power n stuff

[serene siren]

You can trust the smart guy

[serene siren]

If that's what the manual says

[elfin trout]

my recommendation in general would be to return those fans and get something else and save your money lol

[serene siren]

If they say pcie power for it, do what I said cos cpu&pcie share pinouts

[serene siren]

I did recommend this

[neon walrus]

I got them for 40$ tho hahaha good discount

[serene siren]

There are better fans tbh

[neon walrus]

that’s the only reason I’m not inclined on getting diff

[sand atlas]

$40 for 3 fans or all of them

[elfin trout]

you could resell and make a profit and get something else lol

[neon walrus]

true

for 3 fans

[serene siren]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-australia-upside-down-gif-26847241

[neon walrus]

I rly badly want to use my new pc tho 😦

[elfin trout]

but if Corsair is doing PCIe/CPU, that means they're using the same pinout on the PSU side

[sand atlas]

That means each one of those fans costs more than a 3 pack of fans I recommend

[neon walrus]

da fuq

welp hmm

[sand atlas]

Thermalright fans are nuts

[neon walrus]

is there a way I could use my pc temp and then get new fans?

[serene siren]

Yeah tbh, the thermalright fans can clock in pretty cheap

3 pack for 12

[elfin trout]

What CPU cooler do you have rn

[neon walrus]

I wanna use it today so badly bro hahaha I got everything working fine

I’ve got the Asus AIO ARGB

[elfin trout]

then you don't need those fans

just run it as is

[sand atlas]

You can use it without the case fans plugged in

[serene siren]

HOW MUCH

[elfin trout]

fans on the aio double as case fans

even if you have no other fans it'll be cooling still

[neon walrus]

I got it price matched for 170 lol

[elfin trout]

oof

[serene siren]

That's actually better than expected

But still oof

[neon walrus]

yeaaahh

I love the screen they have tho

[sand atlas]

I can buy 3 420mm AIOs for that price lol

[neon walrus]

sadly

wtf lol

[serene siren]

You can get a 360mm screen aio for $90

That beats it even

[neon walrus]

Where

[serene siren]

Lol

[sand atlas]

Thermalright again lol

[serene siren]

Thermalright

Comes with noctua fans even

[sand atlas]

They've been killing it for a couple years now

[neon walrus]

How tf

I’ve never bought thermaltake ever

[serene siren]

Let's talk dj rq

[neon walrus]

They’ve always been popular tho

Okok

[serene siren]

Is the aio new

And the fans?

[neon walrus]

Yea

[serene siren]

Ok

Can you try to hook it all up first

But then

If you're still having trouble with 1 less cpu cable

Let's return that aio

Sell those fans

[neon walrus]

O-o

[serene siren]

Go adopt thermalright for half the price

Fix your pc cable problem

I get that you want it all up and running but the corsair fans are potentially compounding to a new problem

[neon walrus]

Hmm wdym

[serene siren]

So let's figure that part out first

[serene siren]

If you don't have a way to hook them up, you need new cables right?

If not even a new psu?

I'm guessing that psu is also new but I don't mind for overkilling the psu

We can keep that

Just make sure you get your 8 years out of it lol

[neon walrus]

true

I got a killer deal

not horrible

100$

I will def return the fans

[serene siren]

Wow

That's kinda amazing value ngl

[neon walrus]

I don’t think I have a choice if I literally can’t hook it up

XD

[serene siren]

Just sell them

You'll make money

[neon walrus]

I can’t get money off a qx tho no?

[serene siren]

Qx120 sets are like $80 a piece

[neon walrus]

Yikes damn

[serene siren]

You got 2 sets of 3

So you'd make money back even if open box

But see if you can hook it all up first

[neon walrus]

like do the switch out cable method?

to turn the computer on or-

[serene siren]

Switch out the 2nd cpu cable ye

And put a pcie one in it's place

If you can do that you can get the pc up and running

[neon walrus]

o:

That won’t hurt it at all?

I’m def not oc it

so I’ll get the dude running

then what

I get thermaltake fans?

[serene siren]

You can use it for a bit

Then consider this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NjGv2x

[neon walrus]

I mean I need a exhaust fan anyways

[serene siren]

Ah

One sec

Lemme edit

[neon walrus]

so I can get all thermaltake

Sorry

[serene siren]

Ok check the list now

An example of the price

[neon walrus]

Okok also

[serene siren]

If that's compelling enough for you to switch go for it cos you'll make money off the fans

[neon walrus]

I got Corsair rgb cable thingys

But that stuff is only a cover

So dumb

[serene siren]

Like rgb strips?

[neon walrus]

Yeah

I wanted my cables for my gpu to have leds

[serene siren]

Those connect to something else right

[neon walrus]

yeah

[serene siren]

Oh those

[neon walrus]

but they’re kinda janky for being 50

each

lol

[serene siren]

Honest opinion

Those things tend to cause stability problems

Specifically the lian li ones

I'm not too sure about the corsair ones but rgb is rgb

[neon walrus]

the rgb cables do?

[serene siren]

Yeah

What happens is

[neon walrus]

I mean it’s just a cover, so it doesn’t touch any cable stuff

atleast the ones I got

[serene siren]

Quick lesson then I REALLY gotta go

[neon walrus]

Okok I’m sorry

[serene siren]

No need to apologise

The rgb power cables cause something called vdroop

[neon walrus]

Can u do me a huge fav and text me the partlicker list u sent

as well as what to do with the cable to get it turned on

I’m at work so my brain is out of wack I’m sorry

[serene siren]

That vdroop is what makes the gpu or cpu crash when you do work on the pc

It can sometimes go very low

So low it trips something called undervolt protection

So I mean, my take is not to use them, but if you like that look there's not a whole lot of choices out there

[neon walrus]

that’s fair

not worth the leds

but the covers I got won’t cause that right?

[serene siren]

That just go over the current cables?

[neon walrus]

It just covers the top of them (so the cables are still what came with my PSU)

Yes

With clips

[serene siren]

Ah

Those are better

[neon walrus]

Oh thank god lol

[serene siren]

Here's the list again

[neon walrus]

Somehow I found something decent

[serene siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NjGv2x

[neon walrus]

DD

[serene siren]

So see if you can get it to work now

[neon walrus]

wow wtf

how is it so cheap lol

[serene siren]

And consider the thermalright after

But if you can't get it to work today

Order those today

[neon walrus]

I’m sure there isn’t really much difference in cooking

[elfin trout]

Do note that I think the problem with the lian li ones is that it's argb and it's pulling a significant amount on the 5v rail, since basically nothing modern uses the 5v rail, voltage regulation on the 5v rail tends to be bad and therefore it's easier for just argb on fans to make it droop enough for UVP to trigger

[serene siren]

Sell the fans return the aio tomorrow

[serene siren]

It's minimal difference tbh but way cheaper

[neon walrus]

I kinda like the vibe of the aio even tho it’s kinda overpriced

[neon walrus]

better value for your product

[serene siren]

It's two pronged

You can cause the drop from extensions in general

Lian li just seems to be a common factor for it

[serene siren]

It is but I assumed you wanted rgb so I picked the unfortunately slightly more expensive one

Ok I gotta go now tho

[neon walrus]

Which power plug for the cpu do I switch out? Either work or

[serene siren]

Farther left

[neon walrus]

Thank u sorry…

Ty for all your help g sorry

[serene siren]

Stop apologising you're fine lmao

[neon walrus]

been a while 4 me, lots have changed

[elfin trout]

Afaik it's only the argb trimmers that actually trip anything, the regular extensions can cause the voltage droop on the GPU end and cause instability but I'm not sure if that ever trips the PSU

[neon walrus]

like lots hahahahaha

[serene siren]

I've seen both

[elfin trout]

Ah fair I've only seen the argb ones trip

[serene siren]

It's why I really like native sleeved psus now

Cos that's way less likely

[elfin trout]

Yea it's all designed to work that way without any added complexity

[serene siren]

[neon walrus]

wahgg

I don’t think I’ll be able to hookup the fans 2 the cpu plug thingy

[elfin trout]

oh yea if there isn't an extra pcie cable you won't be able to do that with the 4+4 on the other side

[elfin trout]

Right now, don't you already have the AIO with its fans installed? You can boot as is without the extra case fans, play around with it, then work on replacing the Corsair fans

[neon walrus]

:((

I just don’t wanna ruin it is all

so expensive

I mean it’s all completely open rn

[neon walrus]

yeah I do

they only needed to plug into a fan headed thank god lol

why tf did Corsair make a fan that takes so much power and need its own power supply cable lol

and how tf was that the one I picked XD

[elfin trout]

classic corsair being crap lol

[neon walrus]

so salty bruh

now i gotta get new fans --

probably shouldn’t play any games on it yet til I get the fans Saturday eh

[elfin trout]

should be fine for the time being considering you have AIO fans still

just play some games to make sure everything is working

[neon walrus]

okii sry ty homie

[sonic lake]

What should I be searching for when looking for these types of PSU cables? Doesnt have to be white

[wide parrot]

Strimmer cables

[elfin trout]

Are you looking for like sleeved 8 pin extensions or are you looking for cable replacements?

[sonic lake]

To be honest, I am not sure. I want my cables to be cleaner for my next build to avoid this.

[elfin trout]

Oh are you looking for the clips?

[sonic lake]

no, the smaller cables, I think strimmer cables is it

[elfin trout]

And I meant to say individually sleeved cable but yea

And I'd recommend against the RGB/argb strimmer cables when possible, they can cause instability and trip your PSU

Extensions in general are added complexity that can add another possible point of failure

Some PSUs come with individually sleeved cables that look better without needing extensions

[sonic lake]

yeah i wont be doing colored cables, just going to look for black ones to make it look more clean

I have an older EVGA psu so still using the ugly cables

[elfin trout]

Yea I used to have a G3, the cables are pretty bulky and hard to bend

[sonic lake]

yeah thats why mine look like doodoo in the pic i posted 😄

[viscid patrol]

those arent strimmers
those are just regular individually sleeved cables

[wide parrot]

What's the difference?

[viscid patrol]

strimmers is lian li's RGB cables

[wide parrot]

Ah

[sonic lake]

I'll have to do some more research, hopefully my PSU is even compatible

[sand atlas]

Extensions are universal

Replacement cables are where compatibility comes into play

[serene siren]

Please avoid strimmers

I'm on a bit of a kick rn but they're tied to a lot of system instability I've found due to poor vdroop

Call it pedantics but I would suggest one's that cover existing cables rather than extensions

[sonic lake]

How would you recommend making the power cables look cleaner? I intend to use the same PSU and cables

[serene siren]

You can buy ones that cover current cables

If not extension kits or replacement kits for specific models from places like cablemod or moddiy

EZ-DIY FAB for example does decent 16awg extensions

The catch being I recommend 16awg cable clips from elsewhere (Theirs are a little poopy)

[sonic lake]

Is the idea to cut the existing sleeve and replace it?

[serene siren]

No, no cutting

Just plugging, unplugging at most lmao

Extensions onto the ends of existing psu cables, cable replacement kits completely replace existing psu cables

Cable covers go over existing psu cables

Cutting would be chaos lol

Ima dip but others will be online soon

[sonic lake]

no worries, i need to get started at work anyway 🙂

[cobalt nymph]

Guys my psu power cable is type c (rm750e) and i need uk plug can i just buy another one and how can i know if its compatible with my psu ?

[elfin trout]

RM750e is type 4 24pin and type 3 everything else, Corsair's pinouts on the PSU side is unlikely to work with any other company's pinouts, best to get cables straight from Corsair

[cobalt nymph]

This one

[elfin trout]

Oh the kettle lead? Best to get it from Corsair, but literally any old kettle lead that's 16awg or better will work

Thought you were trying to replace internal cables

[cobalt nymph]

Lol np mate

[cobalt nymph]

Can you suggest me some?

[elfin trout]

Don't really have suggestions, but you have tons of options either going to the store, buying online, or just grabbing one off something else in your house

It's just some solid wires, there's no electronics in a kettle lead

[cobalt nymph]

Cool so is it alr if i use my old pc’s cable?

[elfin trout]

Should be fine

[sand atlas]

If I need one of those I grab it from a local thrift store for 50 cents

It's a super standard cable

[sonic lake]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DFXSJJD6/?coliid=I26TE963H25CQ6&colid=3XYCBB100HT8&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it

How do you usually control the color on a fan like this?

[sand atlas]

Through the motherboard by using software

I prefer openrgb

[long sphinx]

@blissful thistle question

iirc i think felix recommended me this but i cant remember

https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-Edge-Serie-EG1000G-BH/dp/B0DN16HS1L?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1

but this is a solid psu?

mainly want it for sleeved cables

[blissful thistle]

Yeah its good

[long sphinx]

actually ykw i forgot the tier list exists sorry

but it should be quiet under load hopefully? my corsair rme is noisy i think im done with corsair products moving forward

[blissful thistle]

I believe so but I'm not sure

The RMX is quieter than the RME

The rme is like a "barebones" (using that term very loosely, considering it's still A tier) version of the rmx

[long sphinx]

honestly something is probably wrong with my rme but bestbuy just doesnt recognize that i bought it from them

did i tell u about that

[blissful thistle]

Thats stupid

Nah idt you did

You should be able to warranty it through corsair tho

[long sphinx]

it was the single part i bought in person from my first build in 2023

i ordered it from best buy and picked it up in person from the one not far away

and when i tried to like return it thru best buy

my account didnt work so i had to call their support, get back into my account, and like my purchase history is just empty lol

[long sphinx]

cant be bothered

maybe i will once i get my 1000w psu

can give it to my sister when i help her build her own this summer

it honestly might just turn into my old one at this point lol

she has my 6700 XT already in my prebuilt

[blissful thistle]

Thats a good idea

[sonic lake]

Remind me, what are the criticisms of NZXT cases?

[sand atlas]

🔥

The H1 would literally catch fire due to the riser short circuiting

As for the other models, the ones with solid front panels have zero ventilation and cause even low end parts to throttle

The mesh front ones are just ok, not good but not bad. Too expensive for a mid case.

[sonic lake]

i think i might spend a little more and get another Lian Li

[chilly path]

I can recommend Montech

They're like goated for value lately

[long sphinx]

My H6 seems fine lol

[chilly path]

They allegedly fixed that issue later

[long sphinx]

I’m mad I got my h6 after the NZXT controversy

Probably wouldn’t of supported them if I knew about it beforehand

[sonic lake]

I was looking at the H6 but I dont want to use 140mm fans on the bottom

[long sphinx]

I love that design honestly I love how they are like flush with the case

Bugs me that I couldn’t find matching fans but it’s fine

[sonic lake]

yeah i do too, but the fans im using dont have a 140mm variant so its fine

and im going for a specific look so the next step is up much more expensive fans

[sonic lake]

I was looking at Phanteks but then I saw they want $70 for their add-on RGB kit and I bounced

I can just pay the same price as the case for the Lian Li and it already has the RGB built-in

[wide parrot]

Or buy a case with no rgb/fans and put thermalright c12cs in it

[sonic lake]

Is there any concern with psus being older? I'm planning a new build with my EVGA g+ PSU from 2020, any reason to think it would be unreliable? Never had any issues or anything

[sand atlas]

2020 is fine

10 years old or older is generally the recommended point to replace a unit

[sonic lake]

I'm purchasing a cablemod set of new cables as well so the cables should be fresh hopefully

[sand atlas]

Depending on the quality of the capacitors used, a power supply can lose 5-10% of its rated maximum load every 5 years or so of regular use.
That G+ uses good caps so it'll be on the lower end.

[sonic lake]

Nice, I think I've got just about everything squared away

[bleak holly]

What are some nice cases like the:

• Phanteks NV9
• Gemini Cougar X

[viscid patrol]

you can stand on anything

some things only once

[acoustic goblet]

lol

[long sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-with-me-now-meme-gif-15503099966413958634

[sonic lake]

Those cablemod sets are $100, I wonder if I should just order the cables that will actually be visible instead of a whole set

[bleak holly]

I am debating for my next pc case if I should make it myself.

If I do, are there sources where I can download the schematics for like where all the holes should be drills?

[tame cape]

finally after 4 years of being unavailable i found my dream case again: the montech air 900 mesh

[wide parrot]

solidworks sheet metal tool? idk exactly what you're asking for here. You want to make your own case but have someone else's design and drawings?

[bleak holly]

not the design but more so where to find details regarding things such as where motherboard holes should go relative to each other.

[wide parrot]

ah

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmods/comments/1chkph/i_made_an_atx_motherboard_mount_template_would/

updates in comments

also https://cdn.instructables.com/ORIG/FS8/5ILB/GU59Z1AT/FS85ILBGU59Z1AT.pdf

[woven thunder]

Any recommendations on cheap test benches?

[chilly path]

Motherboard box

It's literally included with the mobo

[bleak holly]

Just noticed this, thank you! I will take a peak at it later as soon as I have some time.

[acoustic goblet]

ordered this https://linus3d.de/products/lian-li-a3-front-panel

for $35 it seems good

comes with the screws

[lapis plover]

Pretty

[acoustic goblet]

def

it costs $25 to print myself

so i thought just spend $10 for the assurance of probably better printing job and the screws

[lapis plover]

Nice

Never really been one for itx stuff tbh

[wide parrot]

Upgrade your Lian Li A3 mATX case with a custom 3D-printed front panel

[lapis plover]

Oh I'm slow

Looks like itx from that angle

[acoustic goblet]

whut?

oh yeah

its one of the smaller mATX

[lapis plover]

Very small

[acoustic goblet]

but ive done a pretty good job with it

[long sphinx]

My room is dark since it’s 2 AM but it came when I was at work today

@serene siren

[serene siren]

EG 1000 G

The true egg psu

[long sphinx]

It is very heavy it is dense for sure lol

I’ll probably take a few hours and work on it Sunday when I’m off

[long sphinx]

Oh I didn’t even realize lmao

Makes even more sense now

[serene siren]

Destiny as it was foretold

[long sphinx]

Excited to own a lian li product I’ve wanted something from them for a long time

Maybe whatever my next case is I might look into them if they aren’t super expensive

I can’t justify the premium on their fans lol

They look nice but that’s about all they have going for them imo

[chilly path]

I'm still amused how I can get a 1000w SFX-L A-tier PSU for less than Corsair SFX-L 850W one

[sonic lake]

Curious to see how this build ends up turning out, the GPU only has 3 inches of extra space for clearance. It's almost the same length as the whole case lmao

[long sphinx]

What’s your full build

Like do u have a pcpartpicker list

[sonic lake]

Yes, but I am not especially in the mood to be ridiculed for it 😉

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3vpCgn

[long sphinx]

Ryzen cpu and thermalright fans/cooler I’m not gonna bother you about that lol

That’s what I’m running I love their fans

[sonic lake]

People criticize my case, gpu, and motherboard choice. Rightfully so to some extent. But I got tired of overanalyzing every component and just picked something to be done with it all. I can talk myself out of every choice.

I think I will end up regretting the GPU more than anything

[long sphinx]

PC community is like that it seems like

Lesser extent in here but

You can always do something a better way but it’s your money and build yk

[sonic lake]

I dont think anyone can show me anything that will make me regret the motherboard or case, but the numbers from the 9070xt is already hitting me in the feels

The irony is I had multiple 9070xts ordered at $750-850 but got talked out of buying them cause they werent MSRP so I cancelled the orders. Then ended up buying a $899 70ti that is likely going to perform worse

Once I have them it will be fine, but I also kinda regret getting cables from MODDIY since they come from hong kong, had I known that I would've ordered them weeks ago

It's crazy how customizable this 011 case is

can reverse the orientation, move IO ports, different motherboard heights

[lapis plover]

Noice

[sonic lake]

Also love that all the fan/rad mounting locations have a bracket you can remove to mount those items to the bracket first then easily secure it in the case with a single/two screws

It's definitely an expensive case, but it feels like a lot of the features are represented in that cost

[lapis plover]

Yeah

Which version did you get off it?

[sonic lake]

011 dynamic evo RGB

[lapis plover]

Nicee

[sonic lake]

My dust filters came from south africa and got here in less than a week, my psu cables will be 2-3 weeks lol

[chilly path]

Honestly the only thing I have real problem with is the mobo, and even that is mostly the price lol

5070 Ti is basically a 4080 V3 after all

[sonic lake]

I think there's been a few benchmarks shown here that show the 9070 xt will likely beat the 5070ti with the right settings in everything but RT

[chilly path]

I mean the price is right

You bought it lol

[sonic lake]

indeed

[chilly path]

I'm not gonna give you crap for that

it'll serve well

and clearly you like the fishtank of the O11

[sonic lake]

I haven't seen much data on OC'ing this card, so maybe once I OC it itll be less in the back of my mind

[elfin trout]

5070ti has up to around 10% gain from average OC it seems

[robust burrow]

Im thinking of giong for the cooler master MWE Gold 750 V3 for a pc im building

But Im wondering, are the other power supplys just as good, can I save money here by going for one of the cheaper ones pretty much

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Hsdhkf

thats the part list so far, I dont expect the gpu to be anything crazy, maybe a 5700xt or so, but id like the psu to be 750 at least for future proofing

[blissful thistle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/dbCZxr/msi-mag-a750gl-pcie5-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a750gl-pcie5

This is good too, but non modular so cables will be very annoying
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/VHfxFT/asrock-challenger-cl-850g-850-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-cl-850g

And for your storage question
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/XB9wrH/teamgroup-t-force-g50-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8ffe001t0c129

[robust burrow]

Thanks

so how do you know which one is better

Im interesting in knowing what the differences really are between the power supplys and the storages

like power supply theres the rating system, and then theres differences between modularity, also general design ig, some queiter than others or whatever, but other than those things, are there any real difference?

and power ofc

[blissful thistle]

Psu, we have a tier list pinned in this channel

Ssd isn't too important, there's just some models to avoid, like the kingston nv2

[robust burrow]

so why not go for the cheapest one, or is the cheapest one also one of the ones to avoid

[blissful thistle]

The ud90 is the cheapest atm id suggest

G50 i believe has dram, which will make some small differences over the ud90 but nothing really noticeable for a gamer

For like $5 cad I just say why not lol

[robust burrow]

fair enough

overall tho it mainly just matters that it isnt one of the ones to avoid

[blissful thistle]

Yeah, kingston nv2 has a few different versions with varying lifespans and quality

There's other to avoid too, like the crucial p1/p2, among more, but those are the ones that come to mind for me

[robust burrow]

so what makes them ones to avoid, is it just lifespan and quality or is it also speed

[blissful thistle]

Sometimes speed, if i remember right the p1 is often worse than most sata ssds

Mainly lifespan and quality

[robust burrow]

so how long does a g50 last for example vs a kingston nv2

[blissful thistle]

Look at the TBW rating on an ssd for an estimate of the lifespan

The nv2 is probably around 250tbw with the swapped parts if I had to guess

G50 i think is 400-600

Someone else like mr111 or maybe fal can explain ssds a lot more in depth than I can

[robust burrow]

Youre doing a good job lol, makes more sense

[blissful thistle]

Theyve just got a much larger knowledge base than I do lol, but ty

[robust burrow]

id def want to get the longer lasting ssd, especially if price isnt that much more

but at same time I dont want to pay extra for something when something else will do the exact same thing for cheaper

[blissful thistle]

100%

Were a big advocate of that in this discord lol

[robust burrow]

ye, like im building this pc for my sister, but tbh the specs are way higher than any games shell play

but good for future proofing ig

Thanks for your help once again

[blissful thistle]

Np

[robust burrow]

Quick question, if you guys had to recommend a budget case what would you recommend, idc about looks or anything im just trying to find something cheap

Like does anything come to mind immediately as "the go to" budget case

[blissful thistle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/wdbypg/diypc-argb-r1-atx-mid-tower-case-argb-r1-bk

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/M7Z9TW/montech-air-100-argb-microatx-mid-tower-case-air-100-argb-black

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/sPCZxr/sama-3509-atx-mid-tower-case-3509bk

[robust burrow]

Thanks, I just wanted to see some options for new items

[sonic lake]

My cables from MODDIY have been moving around Hong Kong for 7 days now, was not expecting their shipping to be like this

[serene siren]

That's actually kinda crazy

My own kits were pretty quick

[sonic lake]

im getting quite annoyed tbh

[serene siren]

Arrived at spaceship facility what

Dude did it go to space

What the hell is the HK postal system doing

[sonic lake]

The size of the package is also puzzling to me, feels like it's too small and light for a full set of cables

[serene siren]

Good question

But moddiy is good brand

It may have shipped in a bag

[sonic lake]

I'll find out in a month or two when it finally shows up

by then I will already be in full regret mode for doing a new build

[serene siren]

Maybe email moddiy about it

That redirecting is not normal

[sonic lake]

it says 2-3 weeks shipping for their free shipping option, i probably should've paid more for better shipping

[serene siren]

Just email them I think

Ask what the heck is going on

Why did it go to space for a bit

[chilly path]

@slate creek I demand explanations on the Meshroom S

WHY IS THE POWER BUTTON ON THE BACK BY DEFAULT???

How on Earth can you mount a GPU in so many places?

Why is it such a mechanically genius design???

[slate creek]

Yeahhh the back power button took some getting used to it but it's so convenient for the front IO once you get used to it

[chilly path]

I'd unironically never be able to get used to it

Because my desk is placed super awkwardly
So reaching the back of the case is an exercise in alpinism

So I'll likely just gonna get the extender bracket and have full IO at the cost of a TINY bit of desk footprint lost

[slate creek]

There are also aftermarket kits that can replace the default IO with a power button iirc

[chilly path]

I like their extender tbf

Lots of USB ports, separate audio jacks, power and reset switch

[sonic lake]

I emailed them, this was their entire response 'These custom cables are shipped from Hong Kong'.

[sonic lake]

It's a miracle, this week is a possibility after all

[sand atlas]

Oh good it's back on the planet

[sonic lake]

now itll sit in san fran for 3 days like at the hong kong airport

[long sphinx]

@serene siren my lian li psu is still sitting happily in its box on my dresser lol

i opened it up to look but it is super nice

idk why im so excited over a psu

quality feels better than my RMe, cables seem really nice

[serene siren]

I would believe that

[long sphinx]

when i actually have time to do the psu swap later this week is it literally just take all the old psu cables out and put the new ones in

like is there anything else

[sonic lake]

this is the most painful shipping ive ever seen lmao

[long sphinx]

what have you been ordering

i havent directly commented on this but i swear ive seen SSs of this order for the last like week

[sonic lake]

Custom PSU cables from MODDIY

[sonic lake]

if i ever order anything from them again ill pay the extra $10-20 for faster shipping

all this waiting and watching it go nowhere for days has completely killed my hype for the new build

i cheaped out on $10, they wouldve been here by now otherwise

[tulip depot]

My fans got delayed by over a week, and my hype is still up since I should finish it this Sunday

[visual fjord]

Its not gonna matter trust

Shipping speed will still be EXACTLY the same

Expedited shipping almost always never works

Unless you're Amazon and can make your deliverers suffer

[sonic lake]

my build is completely bricked so far, so im regretting all of it

[viscid patrol]

Skill issue

Back in my day we had to wait a full month for stuff to arrive most of the time

[sonic lake]

Well now I'll get to wait even longer as I'll likely be returning or rma'ing several components

[sand atlas]

Be me and pay for expedited knowing it'll only arrive 1 day faster, so you can refund the shipping and still get it a little faster

Works best November-January when shipping is clogged

[viscid patrol]

you can refund shipping?

[sand atlas]

If they fail to deliver on the promised day, yes.

[viscid patrol]

damn

[lime oriole]

Can anyone help me with a diagnostic question? My pc has started shutting off and turning back on on it's own when playing balders gate but the weird thing is that the fans and rgn are still running. Anyone know what that might be or how I could troubleshoot it? I'm unsure if it's the psu or gpu or something

[sand atlas]

No blue screen? Could be another case of GPU driver failure

What GPU and driver version do you have?

[lime oriole]

Yeah no blue screen

3060 12Gb

[sand atlas]

3060 is one of the known affected models with recent driver problems

It's all 30 and 40 series cards for that matter

[lime oriole]

So what i need to get a new GPU or just fix the driver?

[sand atlas]

What driver version do you have first

[lime oriole]

I did get this computer pre-owned so i expected something to break lol

Lemme check

I'm assuming i find it under GeForce app?

[sand atlas]

Another possibility is thermal safety shutoff on the CPU, which is easy enough and cheap enough to fix

Yes you can find it in geforce app

Under driver

[lime oriole]

Its an omen so i know the cooling sucks ass

2 vents with only 1 fan not including the cooling fan

[sand atlas]

Oof

[lime oriole]

Yeah so I'm gonna have to replace a lot on her pc

The case means the motherboard and the psu doesn't have a safety switch which really stresses me

[lime oriole]

572.83

[sand atlas]

aha

572 is a known problem version

Not saying it's definitely the cause of this specific problem, but it could be impacting it

[lime oriole]

Can i downgrade?

[sand atlas]

Yes

One sec

Are there any recently launched games you play, from the last 6 months or so?

If not this is the version I've been using and it's been solid https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/details/232539/

You'd use DDU to uninstall the current version and then install that one

?ddu

[final patio]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[sand atlas]

You'll be able to install the nvidia app and tell it to not check for updates too

[lime oriole]

Monster hunter, bg3, lethal company, Sims

[sand atlas]

The new monster hunter?

[lime oriole]

Yeah

[sand atlas]

ok that's from february

572.60 is the version with optimizations for that, dang

Ok we'll table that idea for now

How are your CPU temps?

[lime oriole]

How do i check those?

[sand atlas]

You can run OCCT CPU tests and it will track it for you

ocbase.com I think it was

The free version allows up to 1 hour per test

Plenty of time to heat up

[lime oriole]

Stable or test version?

[sand atlas]

Stable

[lime oriole]

Do i just run a game while it's testing?

[sand atlas]

No, just the test so we can narrow down variables

It'll load the CPU up 100%

So you can see the worst case scenario for cooling

[lime oriole]

Currently my temps

Pretty high i think

[chilly path]

Are you kidding?

What CPU do you have?

[lime oriole]

Intel i5 12400 6core

I realize it can get up to 80 lol

[chilly path]

Ah

[lime oriole]

I didn't see the max on the left

[chilly path]

It's not high temps ye

[sand atlas]

80 peak isn't terrible

[chilly path]

Those are really good temps

[lime oriole]

No it's peak is 70

So far

[chilly path]

That's perfectly fine

[lime oriole]

Hm

[sand atlas]

Right, next try the power test

[lime oriole]

Does this app test the driver at all?

[sand atlas]

It'll stress everything 100% to see if the power supply can handle it

[sand atlas]

Not directly

[lime oriole]

Just set it to auto?

[sand atlas]

yes

[lime oriole]

How long should i run it for?

[sand atlas]

Give it 30 minutes or so to heat everything up

[lime oriole]

No errors have been detected

[sand atlas]

Ok so it's probably not heat or power

Is BG3 the only game with the issue?

[lime oriole]

So far yeah

[sand atlas]

I'd say we narrowed it down to drivers or the game itself then

[lime oriole]

That's good at least

Its also a new problem too. I've played it a lot but until recently after 100hrs

[sand atlas]

You can run ddu and install driver 572.60 and see if that helps

DDU can solve a lot of problems

[lime oriole]

I'll definitely have to try that and Dr

See

Thanks for the help

[sonic lake]

those cables still havent moved either, 4 days now just sitting in san fran lol

[fervent yarrow]

has anyone bought the Seasonic Prime PX-1600 1600W from newegg recently? i want to know if it will ship with the 12V-2x6 cable. i confirmed with Seasonic support that newegg has this stock (as does Amazon, there are recent reviews where customers have gotten the cable there too) but just wanted to know if anyone could confirm they got it from newegg

[orchid lichen]

Was looking at PSU's today. Was looking at the 1000W Seasonic as it has very good reviews.

Wondering if anyone has experience with that PSU.

[elfin trout]

Which exact model?

[orchid lichen]

Looking it up....

Seasonic USA Vertex GX-1000 80 Plus Gold ATX fully modular

[elfin trout]

It's a good unit in general, but quite expensive for what it is

[orchid lichen]

Was initially looking at the Lian Li EDGE 1000W as I bought their OD11 Evo RGB case. Some reviews said it could get loud.

[elfin trout]

It's a little louder at 700w+, quieter under 500w

[orchid lichen]

Appreciate the information @elfin trout

[viscid patrol]

Huh that's an interesting shape

🐮

[elfin trout]

lol

[sand atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/im-texas-spongebob-patrick-stupid-gif-14268848

[lapis plover]

As a native Texan i take deep offense to this

[sand atlas]

Blame Nickelodeon then

That was the first thing that popped into my head

[lapis plover]

😔

[limpid hedge]

I have an AX1200 PSU and I need the cables for a GTX 2080..

[sonic lake]

It's a miracle, the cables are slated for delivery tomorrow

[sonic lake]

Cant decide if I want to leave the PC on the desk or put it back on the floor

[bleak holly]

Desk

less dust accumulation and you get to see the fruit and labor of your work every day

[sonic lake]

Less dust accumulation would be nice, especially with how bad the dust is for me living on a dirt road. I will say there's a light humming that comes from the PC sometimes that annoys me a lot, so I'm tempted to put it on the floor for that reason. But still haven't decided

I've got an air purifier in there now trying to reduce dust, but even after only a few days I could see accumulation already inside the case

[bleak holly]

new fans also try loosing the existing ones as tightening them to much can cause humming

[acoustic goblet]

Now I got airflow for the PSU in front

[wide parrot]

+airflow
-colormatching

[acoustic goblet]

yeah lol

[acoustic goblet]

Maybe I can spray paint the 3D print to look better

Also a protective coat

[quick glade]

Im looking at getting the Lian Li DAN A3, is the case any good and does it have major flaws. Do you guys have any other reccomendations for cheap(ish) MFF or SFF cases that can support an ATX PSU and 340mm gpu. The case should be readily available in England or Macedonia although

Oh any i use an M-ATX mobo so must support that aswell, ping me for a quick response aswell

[chilly path]

SSUPD Meshroom can even take an ATX motherboard and PSU

Though you will need a very long riser for that

And use a low-profile air cooler (or a 280 AIO, 360 with their separate bracket)

But it can definitely be done

The only real difference between the Meshroom S and Meshroom D is that the D is oriented like the A3
While the Meshroom S is designed to stand vertically

mATX will work just fine tho

[quick glade]

Cant find this case locally nor in england

Doesnt seem to be a choice

[chilly path]

You can just order it from their website and they'll send it to you worldwide

Way cheaper than with middlemen

[quick glade]

Not when the shipping costs as much as the case

[chilly path]

It doesn't?

[quick glade]

thats 160 euros

[chilly path]

Check for Britain

[quick glade]

cant get it shipped to england

I have a truck driver who can bring it all the way here from there

Doesnt actually live in england

And the GPU is a tight squeeze

[quick glade]

If you have any other suggestions im open to hear them

[chilly path]

Corsair 2000D is good but ITX Mobo and SFX PSUs

Same with like most

A4-H2O maybe?

[quick glade]

Sadly im taking my current build and putting it in a new case

Thats why it has those requirments

[chilly path]

Tbf I'm not exactly the most versed with like mATX cases

You can go like

An mATX midtower

But that's kinda weird too

[quick glade]

My gpu is longer than that case 😭

[chilly path]

Then idk

[quick glade]

A3 looks like a good case want to know the downfalls on it though

Cheap too

[chilly path]

Sadly those that could've helped better dipped so shrug

Don't know that case inside out

[quick glade]

They left or is it late for them?

[bleak holly]

late.

Wait, where's Felix?

[quick glade]

I can wait lol

[bleak holly]

oh shoot, they actually left.

@chilly path any ideas what happened?

[bleak holly]

what's the case name? I can take a look at the specs in a bit.

Lian Li A3 right?

[quick glade]

It's a bit above but it's Lian li Dan a3

[bleak holly]

0.o it looks nice, reminds me of the Fractal Terra.

[quick glade]

Specs all fit tho

[quick glade]

It's a lot bigger

Closer to a mini North

[bleak holly]

I see. I usually purchase Full/Super Towers so it felt weird to me the other day when I say a mid-size case.

I run a Fractal Torrent.

full size.

Looks like the PSU is mounted on the front panel with the AIO (360mm) located on the top panel in a pull config. Beware if your AIO or PSU is to long it will interfere with other components, see this image. @quick glade

[quick glade]

I'm using an air cooler but with all the checking ive done

Should be able to fit a 340mm gpu

Though non modular PSU gonna make it a pain

[bleak holly]

Oh then your likely fine. YIKES, I feel you there.

[quick glade]

But that's what mesh side panels are for

[bleak holly]

Be sure to cover cable tips with something so it doesn't cause a short.

[quick glade]

To hide the nasty 🤣

[bleak holly]

Unlikely, but possible.

[quick glade]

I'll get some tape on em or smth

[bleak holly]

interesting, the mesh variant allows for fan installation on the side.

@quick glade max cpu cooler clearance is 165mm (no side fans or cables).

[quick glade]

It also allows PSU side moujt

[quick glade]

I have a 90mm tower it's fine

[bleak holly]

Yeah honestly I don't see why you'd run into any issues.

Just cover up the tips of the unused cables and your fine.

make sure whatever you use is non conductive

this case actually is pretty cool, thank you for bringing it to my attention

[quick glade]

I'm looking at options tbh

See if there's any other sff or mff towers that I should get

Got recommended a few sff options that work although all way to expensive

And most other mentioned towers didn't have the 340mm GPU clearance

[bleak holly]

iirc the Tower 300 series might be interesting.

reasonable pricing and comes in some cool flavors

[quick glade]

GPU length limited

And motherboard limited

Surprisingly

[bleak holly]

500 shouldn't be a problem but that's borderline mid tower range sooo

[quick glade]

Also costs about my left kidney

[quick glade]

Also length limited with the power cover

[bleak holly]

You should value your kidneys more

I am sure you can exchange it for a 5090

[quick glade]

Well don't want to spend more on a case than what my CPU costed lol

I have the ultimate sleeper build rn but my thermals are suffering

And the PSU is the ultimate victim cause it sucks in 330 watts of hot air as it's intake

Top mount PSUs should be a crime to humanity especially when they intake air from inside the case

[bleak holly]

what cpu?

I am curious

also brb like 10m

[quick glade]

5600x

Did a pretty nice upgrade with only a budget of 400

100 for a 5600x

And 300 for a 6800xt

Am4 is a miracle

1300x to 5600x

[bleak holly]

oh pretty solid!

[quick glade]

Well quite the upgrade getting 5x the vram

It's amazing not having to worry about settings

1060 3gb was struggling

[bleak holly]

my 8gb is still having a tough time on occasion

[quick glade]

I've somehow seen 15gbs of vram usage

On 1080p

[bleak holly]

yikes

[quick glade]

Probably windows borking itself or something

[bleak holly]

what games

[quick glade]

Usually around 9-10gb

[quick glade]

Cyberpunk 2077

[bleak holly]

i am not surprised anymre

that game treats vram like minecraft does with ram

Give it extra? Sweet, we'll take it.

[quick glade]

Yeah full ultra with RT is no slouch

I got the same amount of ram as vram lol

But graphically it is stunning

With a bit of fsr quality magic I can make it run on ultra 4k

And assassin's creed Valhalla runs natively at 4k

AC at like 90fps CP at 80

[quick glade]

No RT though obviously

[bleak holly]

Very solid.

[quick glade]

300 bucks for a GPU shipped across europe

That's isn't even 2 years old

I will not be complaining

[bleak holly]

that's actually impressive

[quick glade]

Barely been used too

Friend basically said it was a web browsing machine for 1.5 years

He got into proper gaming a few months ago and decided to upgrade to a 7900xtx

Anyway good night I'm going to bed

[chilly path]

Controversy

[bleak holly]

Do you know what it was about?

[chilly path]

Long story, don't wanna get into trouble for talking about it

[bleak holly]

Understood.

[strange void]

does anyone know of a 60$ or so mid tower case that's good

[bleak holly]

What are your system requirements? I assume you have a ATX size motherboard but idk what your cooler size and GPU length requirements are.

[tame cape]

is it worth getting a lian li Dan a3 matx case? *for 75€

it looks really good, nice size case, the one with wood panel is even better despite the extra 15€

[bleak holly]

I haven't tried it myself but it looks like a very capable case.

$75 euro definitely looks like a fair price though

[lapis plover]

Corsair 3500X ARGB review- go

[scenic lance]

Do I need an ATX 3.1 for a 5080 or is 3.0 ok?

[bleak holly]

So long as you have a 12VHPWR cable it will work. A 12VHPWR to 8PIN adaptor also works.

[plucky halo]

If you were buying a PSU today for a 13600K and RTX 5080 with some future proofing, what would you recommend?

[bleak holly]

If you wanted to future proof then an A-Tier 1,000W psu would be recommend. Check pins for PSU tier lists.

+1,200W PSU if you plan to upgrade to a power hungry monster like the 5090 in the future.

While a 1,000W psu works for that personally it feels sketchy.

[plucky halo]

I already have a 850w so 1200w would be more of an upgrade.

[tame cape]

I just fixed the rog motherboard pcie slot :)))
I assumed it was dead but apparently I just hadn't bent back enough a pin on the socket

[bleak holly]

congrats and good job!

[tame cape]

thanks!!

[atomic zealot]

what is the origin country of TRYX

[lapis plover]

China

[spiral flower]

I bought a secondhand case and it didn't have any standoff screws in it for the mobo so I got a cheap screw kit off Amazon and I was wondering if I am supposed to put the little rubber washers in between the case and the standoff screw or the standoff screw and mobo or if I even need to use them at all.

[kind island]

Not at all

[kind island]

Its mainly for decor

[viscid patrol]

You don't need to
Mobos are designed to be mounted on the metal standoffs directly

So there's at most just a ground plane where the standoffs are placed

[spiral flower]

Thanks, was also wondering, if I have an old case that has a front I/O panel with a ground wire coming out of it. Do I just connect the ground wire to the case or am I missing a piece. I did buy the case second hand so I'm not sure if it's missing anything important. It also had a redneck molex daisy chain thing going on for a built-in "fan-speed controller" which, from what I can tell, just turns the fans off and on.

[wide parrot]

I haven't seen a loose ground cable on a case but yeah I'd assume it just goes on the metal of the case somewhere

If it's long you could put it on the (outside) of the PSU

[weary pine]

Burned my psu up today

Nice.

I guess it's better to run 2 separate pcie cables from the psu to the gpu. I had a single pcie 8 pin to the dual 8 pin outlet for the gpu. Fried it after a year of use or so

To edit. It's a xfx 6950xt and was on a Thermaltake gf-a1 1050w

[lapis plover]

yes that is generally a smart move😭

[weary pine]

Yeah I honestly never even thought about it before

Glad I caught it before it did more damage to anything else

[lapis plover]

i need to get another cable for mine as well

[weary pine]

Cooked it lol

[lapis plover]

or get cablle estensions'

[weary pine]

Wonder if Thermaltake will do any warranty for it. Never OC or anything just gaming

Could I still use the other pcie slots? Lowkey can't get a new one until next week

[tame cape]

I'm basically on the same configuration, now I'm scared

[wide parrot]

don't use daisy chain cables for a 350w gpu and you should be fine

[tame cape]

GPU and psu manufacturers often include a manual that specifically tells you to use two separate cables for gpus with higher power consumption

[tame cape]

I use separate ones + extensions, just the fact that they had my same gpu+psu config made me wonder if mine would end up doing the same

I'm always careful with psu connections so I should be fine

[wide parrot]

very unlikely. With separate cables each is only doing about 150W which is in spec

pcie slot does 75W iirc

[tame cape]

as usual: check proper connections, avoid tight bends and don't daisy chain too much

[weary pine]

Well i had the psu in that configuration for a year and a half. No over clocking or anything so it held up well imo. And yeah now it will be ran with 2 cables.

[tame cape]

yeah, bout that, in hwinfo you can check those values, 6+2 on my card sometimes exceed by a few watts but nothing worrying and still within safe range

[weary pine]

Honestly just never thought to use 2 cables when I did the build. Definitely know better now lmao

[tame cape]

is the psu totally fried or just the connector melted?

[wide parrot]

yeah 150W is kinda the bare minimum spec, most cables should do more. But 300W through one is danger territory

[tame cape]

everything else survived?

[weary pine]

I'm assuming just that connector. It still worked when I took it out earlier

[tame cape]

just look at 4pin eps, rated for 144w, meanwhile for the gpu you need twice as many pins for the same rated power output

[weary pine]

Ive been having random crashes for awhile. They'd come every other day or a month. And I said yk what I'm checking thermals and did a stress test on gpu and cpu together. And thats when I smelled it lol

[tame cape]

which means they are likely well below their actual limits

[wide parrot]

well 8pin is actually the same amount of power pins as 6pin

don't remember exactly what teh extra 2 pins do

[tame cape]

isn't it 150 & 75?

[wide parrot]

wait I don't think I was remembering correctly

[tame cape]

that's odd, might have actually been a psu issue then, maybe too much current near the same spot, in this case the burnt one

[weary pine]

Yeah I'm assuming if I had 2 cables it may have been fine. But it's done it since I was recommended that psu from here lmao

[wide parrot]

yep they're 2 extra ground pins

[tame cape]

I had to replace this same psu because it had problems with standby power / power_ok signal... maybe they're not such good quality after all

[wide parrot]

The technical spec difference is actually 2 more ground pins(one used as a sense pin) and an extra +12v pin.

The 6-pin, according to the official spec, only uses 5 of the 6 pins. 3 ground pins, and the two outer 12v pins are used, the center 12v pin is listed as "no connection".

[tame cape]

I got a different revision as replacement, been running fine for about a year

[weary pine]

Yeah if they dont rma it. I'm just gonna use it until I can afford to get another next week

Obviously 2 cables and other slots lmao

[tame cape]

oh that explains the sense pin I always saw on diagrams, never bothered checking what it was for

[tame cape]

I got lucky I paid my unit 60€ because of a price error mmmhh

[weary pine]

Lol

[tame cape]

maybe some info can be found on the updated psu tier list, too messy to check tbh

[weary pine]

Lol true

Idk, if i have to get new. I may go corsair or seasonic

[tame cape]

just trust what connecitons they recommend on the manuals.
because of how much paranoid I am with psu stuff I usually pick two connectors far from each other if possible

might even be better to split load to different rails if labeled

afaik this one's single rail

[weary pine]

That's true. And yeah I never read any manuals and just never thought to use 2 cables. Atleast it didn't mess to much up and I can learn from it now

[tame cape]

stuff happens... manuals have a lot of useful info but not much of it is relevant for the build. except those few hidden things you hardwares life depends on

[weary pine]

Yeah true

[weary pine]

Well they're going to warranty it. Thankfully

[atomic zealot]

sorry for mega posting: any advice for high-end mid-tower rgb/cooling gaming case and the best high-end/quality psu for 5080

[atomic zealot]

4 years ago the newegg discord server was very active, but now...

[wide parrot]

You would get better engagement if you posted a budget and requirements in #building-and-recc-chat rather than asking all the chats separately

[bleak holly]

High end and mid-tower are two things that don't fit into the same box perfectly because by going with a mid tower on a "high end" build, you are ultimately sacrificing expandability and cooling options.

Full Tower Cases that I recommend include:

• Fractal Torrent
• Fractal Design North XL
• Phanteks NV9
• HAF 700 or HAF 700 EVO

Check pins for A tier Power Supply Units.

Any A tier 1,000W PSU will be good. 1,200W if you plan to upgrade to a RTX 5090 or RTX A6000 if you have deep pockets.

[wide parrot]

I would beg to differ. You can absolutely make a high end build in matx or even sfx form factor

Also mid tower might even refer to a smaller ATX case now that I think about it

[bleak holly]

I agree that high end parts can be used in smaller cases but not without itself negatives like expandability for example being limited to a 240mm AIO vs a 420mm, likely not being able to install a NVMe AIC to have more expandability or having extra SSD slots for cold storage.

I as a personal opinion believe that with top of the line parts, if your system has any functional limiter that it immediately falls into the upper mid end side of things. It can perform just the same but due to having limiting factors it drops it position on my tier list.

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Again I wish to emphasize that I do agree with you that top of the line parts such as a 9950X/9950X3D/Threadripper/285K, 7900XT/5090/5080 etc can be used in a small case. Just that it has to be done with limiters and or inconveniences whether minor or severe.

[wide parrot]

I as a personal opinion believe that with top of the line parts, if your system has any functional limiter that it immediately falls into the upper mid end side of things.
I guess i just don't see this the same way. I think a 9800x3d + 5080 build is high end, even if you're limited to a 360mm rad and 3 nvme slots

[elfin trout]

You can fit 360mm in most mid tower cases, any mid tower case I would recommend at minimum can fit 360mm, usually support for 360 top and front mount. There's nothing really stopping you from adding a nvme aic in basically all cases, it's dependant on your mobo. In general, it really doesn't matter if you get a mid or full tower, just get what fits what you want, and having a bigger case when you don't need it adds nothing but extra weight and harder to fit. For example, G500a is a "Mid tower" with all of the "Full tower" features you'd expect, it can support up to 10 3.5in drives AND 3 2.5in drives at the same time, support 420mm rad and 360mm rad at the same time, fits some EATX boards, supports dual system, etc.

[bleak holly]

Fair you have me at the G500A case and I agree with you regarding getting what you need.

If all you need now and the foreseeable future is say a 240mm aio then there is no need to purchase a case that supports say 360mm. I fully agree with that logic.

[bleak holly]

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I think we all agree that smaller cases can work for ones needs if that is all they require.

[elfin trout]

I really don't think that's a point against mid tower cases when every mid tower I'd recommend supports a 360mm rad

Very very few nowadays are limited to 240

That's generally just itx

[wide parrot]

I wish thermalright made 280mm rads

[lapis plover]

Not sure we can help with that

[late crystal]

fell asleep on my keyboard lol, my bad

[subtle lodge]

https://www.newegg.com/fractal-design-atx-mid-tower-meshify-3-steel-pc-case-white-fd-c-mes3a-04/p/N82E16811352227

New fractal

[quick glade]

Are there any major downsides with the CH260? What would be the best airflow config and how many fans would it need.

I wanted to get the Lian li Dan A3 but not only is it more expensive it's also more of a hassle since I have to import so ive decided on the ch260

[coarse ruin]

So I'm running a 13600K and an RX 6700XT on an enermax revolution d.f. gold 650w psu. My pc crashes immediately under cpu+gpu load, does it make sense to upgrade or is there a different issue

[elfin trout]

So it crashed immediately without any bsod if you run OCCT power test?

If so, blame the PSU

[coarse ruin]

Not under power test, but running cpu + gpu stress test at the same time crashes it; they both do fine on their own

so basically yeah

[elfin trout]

Relatively safe to assume it's the PSU as long as CPU and GPU temps look fine before crashing

[coarse ruin]

yep! thanks!

[coarse ruin]

do you think 850w would be enough, or should i go for 1000w?

[elfin trout]

850w should be more than enough

[tawny oxide]

This channel is the new home to #cases-psu-and-cooling . The previously used and now archived #old-cooling can still be looked at, and the pins are still available if you'd like to look!

[bleak holly]

Any meaningful differences between A tier and A+ on the new PSU tier list from SPL (pins)?

[bleak holly]

$140 for A tier or $230+ for A+.

[wide parrot]

Go for the A tier

[elfin trout]

as long as the A tier unit has been reviewed before

[maiden rune]

hey yall I got a PC that I haven't used in like 2 years. I stopped using it because it wouldn't boot to bios OR windows; it just turns on then off. Could this be a PSU problem or is my motherboard the culprit?

My PSU is a Silverstone ST50F and my motherboard is an ASUS A320M-K

[elfin trout]

Easiest potential fix is try getting a new cmos battery and replacing the battery

[maiden rune]

I've done that too

[bleak holly]

Well I think I finally know what my next PC case is going to be.

I am going to save up and get the HAVN 420 (Horizontal Layout) and setup a positive pressure system. Top/Bottom/Rear intake with the Side set as exhaust which is where I will mount my AIO.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DDCMHXW1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A2HK4V9Z70WYZE&th=1

[bleak holly]

Watched J2C's video on the case is why. It has a lot of nice features.

[sacred otter]

hey guys I’m looking for a cooler for the 9800x3d, would something like a ID Cooling a620 pro se or Thermalright peerless assassin be enough?

[wide parrot]

Peerless assassin is great but this is even better

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KhgZxr/thermalright-royal-pretor-130-black-8188-cfm-cpu-cooler-royal-pretor-130-black

[coarse ruin]

I’m about to replace the psu in my system, do i have to do anything other than just switch it and the cables?

[tawny oxide]

Nope. Make sure everything is unplugged, switch, then plug it back in

[coarse ruin]

sick, thanks!

[bleak holly]

Does anyone here have experience with TG's Krypsheets?

I would like to lower my 9950x3D's temps for some extra overclocking headroom. Currently after a 12hr stress test my temps peak at about 70c. I am currently using TG's PTM7950 the full 50x40mm sheet with it molded to the top and a little to the side of my IHS to lower temps.

[wide parrot]

If you're maxing at 70c I don't think cooling is the limiting factor

[bleak holly]

I'd like to drop the temps some more before I get to tuning the CPU because from my experience with the 7950x3D and 7950x, it's going to get hotter.

[wide parrot]

I guess? but those chips are designed to hit 90C so it seems like you already have a ton of headroom

[bleak holly]

I noticed during my Karhu runs that my CCDs can boost to x amount at x temps:

5.45Ghz < 64c
5.4Ghz < 66c
5.375Ghz < 70c

[wide parrot]

huh

[bleak holly]

It seems right below 65c is about the sweet spot.

[bleak holly]

These are numbers from CCD0 which is the one I want to tune the most. CCD1 exhibited very similar behaviors.

Temps are currently at 68c after 9hrs of stressing the CPU and RAM.

Small spikes to 71-72c when the tests are starting a new iteration.

[sacred ember]

what do u guys recommend to cool an i7 14700kf

[bleak holly]

What power limit?

[wide parrot]

Thermalright something' something

[sacred ember]

850w bro

[elfin trout]

uh pl1 should be 125w and pl2 should be 253w unless you limit it further

as is, prob want a thermalright aio, depending on what you can fit in your case

[bleak holly]

A 360mm Thermalright Frozen Edge AIO for $55 should be able to handle that reasonably well.

[bleak holly]

https://www.amazon.com/AZZA-CSAZ-812-Innovative-Included-Computer/dp/B0DX5Q5LWN/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.qF0n1ccOa5jngjk-Ibj1nGdFqqlYQdUvEAS7Cb6z8OTqfMNDgMvOxYESvVZ-esHN3YfSzL4UXTWGRUHWhW6rMJ20gEI0p5xbpORMS9fDxrYaAj0Z_HGaEt44Wu2Q6n4ZNbkrxCAPM_uiG-T1VP4eBQvEkp6MSPjOX7vViyvJiW1kYtQFmfb49sRSoyH-23HXQmWTNKZmvITFwCt-8Rc2eA.T1vfD5uSZvr0uweDmgerpMqpDu1HhUc-GZQL4vjMh6Q&dib_tag=se&keywords=diamond+pc+case&qid=1750997060&sr=8-2

AZZA's new Diamond Shape Display Case.
@ruby oak, @drowsy dock, @wide parrot, @fringe granite

Overpriced but interesting case

[drowsy dock]

not very space efficient

[bleak holly]

Agreed.

[mild gale]

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-atx3-1-pcie5-1-1300-w-cybenetics-gold-power-supply-black-pg-1300g/p/N82E16817955004?Item=N82E16817955004&_gl=1*1u40yur*_gcl_au*NTAxMjAyMTg3LjE3NTA0ODc0NDY.*_ga*ODcwNjE0NzQxLjE3NTA0ODc0NDc.*_ga_TR46GG8HLR*czE3NTEwNTA0NzQkbzIyJGcxJHQxNzUxMDU0MjA2JGo2MCRsMCRoMTE4ODE3MDM5OA

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D8SN6MP1/?coliid=I16FEGIQYMAX2Z&colid=3Q4GKTPGYIEI4&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_gv_ov_lig_pi_dp

Which is better

[cyan bone]

Is 750w enough to power a 7900xtx/9800x3d

[bleak holly]

Barely. You will want at least a good 850W PSU.

I recommend the Montech Century II 1050W PSU, it's a quality psu with plenty of wattage for $110 last I checked.

[spiral flower]

Hey guys, I'm trying to build in an old dell dimension case and I was wondering if it was fine to use a newer psu with the fan on top or if I need to find an older model psu with the fan on the plug side? Not sure if psu fans are intake or exhaust either.

[vocal tree]

What model is the computer case?

PSU can be installed in two different orientations to make sure the fan gets an open space

[vocal tree]

https://beebom.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/psu-getting-screwed.jpg?w=640

It can be installed upside down, with the fan facing up and drawing air down and out, or normally with the fan facing down, drawing air up and out

Older case design has the PSU above the motherboard, which usually means the unit should have the fan face down as well

[spiral flower]

@vocal tree its a Dell Dimension B110 case. Thanks for the info, I wasn't sure if the PSU was going to exhaust hot air over my CPU cooler , but now that I know that an intake fan its all good. Now I have to find a way to properly cool the build since it has no top/front/or side ventilation.

[vocal tree]

Yeah not sure if there's really a place to mount a front intake fan of any size

I was lucky with my Lenovo H50 case, there was a 70mm fan mount! So much intake

One thing you could do is flip the rear fan to make it into an intake, but it's really close to the PSU exhaust so idk how good that would be

[spiral flower]

I think i figured out a possible "solution". I think if I take out the hard drive enclosure thing at the front of the case it can hot glue a 92mm fan against the side facing the front of the case. Only two 1 inch gaps underneath the front plastic cover over the front I/O but I guess it's better than nothing.

[vocal tree]

You could probably forgo hot glue if you can find some decent rubber screw replacements

The kinda thing where you pull one end through the fan screw holes, and then the other end through the case holes, then it's attached

[wide parrot]

Zip ties can work pretty good as well

[pallid isle]

My friend has a small case so that he can move his computer easily, he has a Noctua NH-L9i right now, but it's thermal throttling with his 7900X. Is there anything better with a low profile?