cpus-mobo-and-memory

[vast meadow]

But that's not needed just makes cpu better

Should be in the oc tweaker tab

[rancid harness]

my displays seem oddly more vibrant

3200mhz works now

[rancid harness]

now i have a constant disconnecting sound

could this be the cause?

[split copper]

Go into its properties, I think it might have relevant info to that

[rancid harness]

theres no drivers

where do i download said drivers

[split copper]

Usually Windows itself

[rancid harness]

google searches mention amd chipset drivers

do i just download the latest one for my mobo

[vernal cosmos]

Check the pinned guide in #windows-ios

The update guide

[rancid harness]

nevermind somehow theres no more disconnecting sound after downloading the chipset drivers

[shy wyvern]

AMD has had that USB issue on older bios versions too that caused rapid disconnect reconnect sounds. My sister experienced it too

She ended up disabling the USB disconnect sound until they rolled out the fix LOL

[vast meadow]

That was only on x570 iirc

[shy wyvern]

ah

she has a 5800x system on an x570 tomahawk wifi

[grizzled bloom]

No it was just more prevalent on X570. I had it for a few bios versions on X470 and I saw it on a few B550 also.

[vast meadow]

Really? Interesting

[grizzled bloom]

Annoying too. When I'm playing a mmo and my mouse disconnects... Rip my dps

It's fixed now mostly. Some X570 might still get it occasionally.

[vast meadow]

That does indeed suck

[rancid harness]

i assumed it was the thing i screenshot

after downloading the chipset drivers it disappeared

[deft phoenix]

Does anyone know if NVME drives significantly affect gpu performance?

[vast meadow]

nope

[deft phoenix]

ooo okay then whats the deal with it using pcie lanes that can coincide with the pcie lane of ur gpu

[vast meadow]

they dont, they have separate lanes

[opal spoke]

I purchased the ASUS Tuf x570 plus Wifi mobo. And I would like to get the Ryzen 7 5800x gen 4. The mobo says it supports up to gen 3. Would this be an issue?

[shy wyvern]

I think I might go pick this up to do a build with, that's a great price

[vast meadow]

thats nice

[rocky beacon]

I have a B550 Gaming Carbon WiFi spare RN

I don't know what to do with it

[shy wyvern]

Idk either

I got a lot of spare ram kits

I have a 3400G too but I don't think I'mma use it

that's for testing the AM4 boards I get in

I'll probably look for a cheap 2600ish range and throw a 2gb 1050 on it and sell it as an lite gaming/esports rig

[rocky beacon]

I have a spare 3600 and 2600

[shy wyvern]

I've been seeing lots of 2600s for around $70-100 recently locally

I may just go pick up one of those

the 2600 hasn't aged the best tho imo

For gaming that is

for productivity or office work the thing is a beast

i5 8400 has somehow aged better even though it only has 6 threads

[unreal dagger]

What’s the recommended cpu voltage

And max voltage for oc

[hollow thorn]

Depends on cpu

[unreal dagger]

I9 10900k

[hollow thorn]

Not too familiar with max on 10th gen, 1.25v or 1.3v should be a good start

[unreal dagger]

Oh.. currently on 5.1 1.38…

Stable. Should I go to like 5.0 then?

And turn down my voltage

[hollow thorn]

I mean, a 'good' bin on 10900k should be able to do 5.2 at 1.3 iirc

[unreal dagger]

Wow really

System voltage 1.35

And io 1.35

[hollow thorn]

They measure voltage at a different point but anyways binning stats
https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics

That io sounds high to me, dunno though

Go check pinned in #overclocking

[unreal dagger]

Ok thank you

[shy wyvern]

Max should be around the same safe max for 9th gen considering they're on the same node I believe

[zinc aurora]

Hello im thinking of upgrading to an i5 12600k,with a asus rog strix-z690-a.And also upgrading powersupply from 650 watts to 850 w corsair rmx gold powersupply.I want a bigger powersupply so that i can upgrade my gpu when prices settle.thoughts?

[dense frost]

good combo

[grizzled bloom]

Also consider the Revo DF if you end up missing the sale on RM850x https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07P7XLVJG

[grizzled bloom]

You shouldn't be spending more on a motherboard than the processor in general. Consider this instead. You don't need top tier boards for 12600k. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GvmmP6/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-ddr4

[vast meadow]

Also bitfenix whisper M 850w is 100$ atm, personally I'd save the 10$

[vernal cosmos]

well the agf is like 2$ less so hah

[vast meadow]

It also has bad power ok signal

:/

[vernal cosmos]

but i don want ok power

i wan good power

so there

hah!

[vast meadow]

[vernal cosmos]

LMAO

[split copper]

[vernal cosmos]

ok im done being big dum

[split copper]

Oh

But I'm not

[vernal cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-carl-weathers-gif-5129663

I'm glad you understand

[naive pendant]

god dangit

[wheat kettle]

Hello first time posting. I am slowly upgrading my dell inspiron 5680, I've upgraded almost everything including the processor to an i7-8700, I'm looking for a new motherboard so I can switch to a different case down the line. Any recommendations?

Also I basically only play cities skylines these days.

[grizzled bloom]

Looks like that's got a non-standard motherboard. It's some cross between atx and micro atx, the holes won't line up with standard boards.
This means if you want a new motherboard you'll need a new case at the same time.

[wheat kettle]

Absolutely, I am more then okay with junking this dell case and mobo lol

[grizzled bloom]

In that case look for used or refurbished B360, B365, or H370 motherboards (or Z390 if you have a K processor) and pair it with something like a p400a.

[wheat kettle]

Amazing, thank you so much. I'm gonna have a look around for these boards now. I know they are pretty outdated by now so hoping I do find something at a great price..

[vale yarrow]

is the ryzen 5 5600g a good cpu to get in replacement for a ryzen 3 3100? i stream and do a few multitasking things, and am just wondering if its worth buying

[vast meadow]

Not really unless you don't have a gpu which you clearly do because you're using a 3100, 5600x at least but sounds like (if your board is good enough) 5800x might be worth a look if it's in your budget

[finite elm]

Could be based on price. Not a good alternative on AM4 for 200$ anymore.

could always save up for the 5600x which is around 40-50$ more I suppose though

[vast meadow]

Yeah 5600g is not a good option unless you need the good igpu unfortunately :(

[finite elm]

5600g and 5600x are the only 5000 cpu's that include a cpu cooler right? and the cooler should be enough for them unless overclocking huh?

[vast meadow]

Yeah as long as the case is good but honestly spending the extra 25$ or so for 3rd party is worth as they should be enabling pbo

[finite elm]

Does PBO heat up the 5600x more than the 3600x or 3900x? both of those are fine with PBO on with their respective stock coolers in my experience.

[vast meadow]

3900x?!?

3700x? And it does indeed heat up good bit more yes

Also the 3700x had better stock cooler

[finite elm]

3900x has the better stock cooler.

3700x is better too but not as good as the 3900x's one.

[vast meadow]

Uh i don't think the 3900x came with one? For ryzen 3000 r3/5 same base cooler then r7 had the chunky one idk bout 3900x

[finite elm]

3900X came with the wraith prism.

https://imgur.com/a/A7U5jzK

I just sold mine with the CPU.

You can look at this beefy boi here lol

I have my 3700x's stock cooler in my dad's PC right now. So can't show you that one.

[vast meadow]

And for reference idk what temps where like straight away but after roughly a year of use, with my 3600 with pbo on stock cooler was getting ~90c in cpu z stress test -ik not the best but good enough, after i got the id cooling se 224xt it tops out at like 70-75c now

[finite elm]

I'll check the temps on my brother's PC.

His server Pc anyways. Uses it solely to host game servers in various games.

The 3900x was really easy to cool. I think with the stock cooler the hottest it got under load was about 74°c but I could be wrong.

So a bit cooler than the 5800x that i have with a 240mm rad and a better case D; which is pretty good for an included fan I think.

[vale yarrow]

my price range is about 300 ish, but i could stretch it to 400

cad, not usd

im not sure if the 5600x falls within that

why is the 5600g not worth it?

[hollow thorn]

5600g has halved l3 cache compared to 5600x

[vast meadow]

5600x should be ~350 cad

5600g is more of a slightly better 3600

With a good igpu

[vale yarrow]

what does this mean? im a little uneducated with cache and stuff

[hollow thorn]

The specifics doesn't matter as much, it just contributes to about a 10% performance uplift in games from 5600g to 5600x

[vale yarrow]

ohhh i see

okay well thank you

ill definitely consider iot

i appreciate your advice

[hollow thorn]

You're welcome

[finite elm]

@vast meadow I checked the 3600 temps and I'll make sure its cleaned out then I'll check again and then see if it needs a new cooler. at about 30% usage it was at 60 though so not great tbh.

[vale yarrow]

ive never upgraded a cpu before. I know its the same socket, and my cpu cooler should be good enough to handle it, but im wondering if theres anything i should do prior or after installing the cpu

[hollow thorn]

For 5600x, you might need to update bios beforehand

[vale yarrow]

is that difficult to do? ive never done it before

[finite elm]

What motherboard do you have?

[hollow thorn]

Specific instructions can be found in the manual, you just download something onto a USB stick, click a few buttons in bios, and let it do its thing

Just go to your mobo's website for the newer bios versions

[finite elm]

I guess since you have a 3100 already you dont have to worry about needing a CPU to do it.

[vale yarrow]

and then download this on a usb, then when i restart my computer, plug it in and let it work its magic?

[hollow thorn]

Check your manual for specifics, after getting it onto a USB stick, shut down, turn on, press a button (usually del), to enter bios, and in bios, usually in the boot section, there will be an option to update the bios, select that, select the USB drive with the file, and it should do its thing

[vale yarrow]

okay, thank you so much

[hollow thorn]

You're welcome, also, make sure to download the latest version of bios, preferably not the beta version

[vale yarrow]

yeah i just found the beta version, ill try to steer clear of it

[cerulean wadi]

That's quite the base plate there. Mmm, copper

[finite elm]

is that good or is this sarcasm

[cerulean wadi]

Totally srs, compared to most baseplates barely bigger than an ihs (whether it'll help em or not). Plus I like bare copper

[cerulean wadi]

- 4 lbs of copper, lmao

[cursive epoch]

TRUE Copper

[naive pendant]

none of that FAKE copper CRAP.

nocap copper

™️

[burnt spear]

nocop

[limber dragon]

A real gpu heatsink

[naive pendant]

Nice

[cerulean wadi]

Yum, all that copper

[vast meadow]

Yeah that sounds a bit high

[vast meadow]

Also read through from your bios version to the most recent and make sure you don't have to update it like twice or something

[finite elm]

Would going up to a 280mm rad help my 5800x much or would I need a 360mm degree rad to really see a difference

[vernal cosmos]

Aio matters too

[grizzled bloom]

280 is good, more fins the better

[limber dragon]

its also a 5800x and only puts out 100w max in 90%+ of games

[mint pike]

thoughts on i5 11600k?

like is it a pretty good cpu for its price

[limber dragon]

its okay, depends on what you want to do with it

[mint pike]

gaming mainly

id have an aio so overclocking would be possible quite easily right>

[grizzled bloom]

As long as you're on a Z590 motherboard yeah, it should overclock well

[mint pike]

would this suffice? ASROCK Z590M PRO4

its one of the cheaper z590s

[vale yarrow]

twice?

when would i have to do that?

[vast meadow]

Meh, terrible choice in 2022 like 99% of the time

[vast meadow]

Sometimes it will say you need xx bios before going to yy bios

[vale yarrow]

ohhhhhh okay i understand

[mint pike]

is there a better option in the 230-250 range?

i have a b550 phantom 4 but cant find a cpu in the 230 range available

[grizzled bloom]

Avoid asrock for Intel 10th/11th gen, they gimped the power limits

[vast meadow]

What's overall budget for cpu motherboard (and cooler/ram if you don't already have those)

[mint pike]

so cpu would be 250 if i need to get mobo,

but i currently have a b550 phantom 4 laying around that id like to use instead of buying a new one

[vast meadow]

What's your current cpu?

Also a 5600x would be the way to go then

[mint pike]

i7 4790

Id need to update the bios

i think atleast

[vast meadow]

5600x considering you have the b550 lying around yeah

[mint pike]

ok i got some help from someone not too long ago and they said there is a small chance i would have to update the bios on the b550

because i had ordeered it ~7 months ago

[vast meadow]

Ehh it depends might might not

[mint pike]

is there an easy way to check? id assume not right

[vast meadow]

Well if the box happens to say Ryzen 5000 on it

That would mean you definitely don't

[grizzled bloom]

Does AMD still have the loaner cpu program for updating bios?

If not a local shop could do it quick

[mint pike]

i remember someone saying that, i think they said they dont do it

would they charge me?

[vast meadow]

Don't think so

[limber dragon]

also avoid for z390, as I've seen multiple vrm fires and have had to rma multiple others for being faulty in parts other than the vrm

[grizzled bloom]

Yikes, noted

No wonder they have the reputation of being the cheap brand

[limber dragon]

yes, but they require proof of mobo vendor saying that the mobo came without a supported bios for the cpu that you also have to show proof of purchase for

before they were much more lenient on the loaners, now its a "you absolutely cant update"

[vast meadow]

Ah thats fine then

[mint pike]

so if i do order a 5600x, and the bios needs to be updated, you think a local shop would do it for a small fee?

[limber dragon]

because a lot of boards have flashback, and amd wants you to actually use it instead of them possibly losing a loaner cpu

[vast meadow]

Probably, unfortunately i don't think the board has flashback :(

[limber dragon]

my shop charges $179

[mint pike]

for a bios update??

[limber dragon]

yes

[vast meadow]

WTF

[mint pike]

well

thats a kick in the nuts

[vast meadow]

Buy and resell an athalon for that price lmao

[limber dragon]

you have to remove cooler, remove cpu, use shop cpu, update bios, replace original cpu

[mint pike]

or a new mobo at that..

well

[limber dragon]

you end up spending a lot of time and having to repaste 3x over

[mint pike]

if i just bring in mobo itd be a little cheaper no?

or flat rate fee?

[limber dragon]

who knows what your local shops do, mine is a 179 flat fee

[mint pike]

was this to me?

[vast meadow]

Yes

[mint pike]

yeah, it probably wouldnt hurt to call and see my options

[mint pike]

ahh ok

[limber dragon]

and for pato, if they used the stock cooler, you also get to remove the back panel because the backplate is going to fall off every time you remove the cooler

[mint pike]

i found that out the hard way taking my old parts off 3 times

very frustrating

[limber dragon]

yeah, and that's why its 179

[vast meadow]

Well sounds like a fun shop 🙃

[limber dragon]

its not

[mint pike]

justafied

[limber dragon]

had a chiropractor approve $1200 of virus removals, os updates, and clonings for 4 computers

[vast meadow]

[mint pike]

dang

how bad was it?

[limber dragon]

havent started yet

[mint pike]

sounds fun

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah honestly just get a $20 cpu and do it yourself at that point lol

Assuming that it really needs the update to even pass post, which is unlikely

[vernal cosmos]

Wait why repaste temp bios update cpu

[limber dragon]

because after the bios updates, it'll boot itself up

[grizzled bloom]

Graphite pads would save some time/trouble/mess

[limber dragon]

and Im not going to sit there for 20 minutes waiting for it to update, and be forced to shut it down right as it posts

[vernal cosmos]

Oh? In my experience its always put up a screen saying flash successful and asking if it should reboot

[vernal cosmos]

Yeh this sounds like good idea

[limber dragon]

might depend on board, all the ones to my recollection always go to bios or boot up, and cpus do produce heat in bios

[vernal cosmos]

Thats fair yeah

But graphite sheets would be very useful

[vast meadow]

Thing about graphite sheets is you needa buy them lol

[grizzled bloom]

In the case of Fitz you can write that off as a business expense, and the time/labor saved you can reduce the cost of the service a bit, therefore more people may choose to use it.

[vast meadow]

oh yeah if youre a business its a good idea but for personal use thats not worth it imo

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that's not really worth it for individuals unless you do a lot of cooler swaps and stuff

[limber dragon]

we get like 1 bios update a month because if someone built their computer, they arent going to want to go to a repair shop

90% of our computers are laptops/prebuilt desktops

if someone comes in with a "I built this desktop and its not posting", we already know its just a free estimate and dont bother spending much time on it

[quartz oriole]

I plan on building my pc over the summer, should I go ahead and get a 5800x/5900x or wait for Ryzen 7000?

[vast meadow]

Ryzen 7000 we will have to see, no point going ryzen 5000 with intel 12th gen released

[quartz oriole]

I’ve already got an x570 so

Can’t really go Intel

[vast meadow]

Well then you can't go ryzen 7000 either, different socket

[quartz oriole]

I swear I read somewhere they would use the same socket

Well that answers that ig

[vast meadow]

Lol nope this is the first ryzen socket change

[quartz oriole]

Well if Ryzen 7000 does turn out to be as good as what people are speculating then maybe I’ll buy a new mobo

[vast meadow]

No point in waiting they're only go to down in value I'd sell your board personally if you're not gonna build right away unless you tryna get a heavily discounted

[quartz oriole]

Yeah maybe

[finite elm]

Thinking of replacing my 240mm aio for my 5800X, Should I get a tower cooler, 280mm aio or 360mm aio? the 240mm is not enough 😦

[vast meadow]

360 -280 is only if you can't fit 360 imo

[finite elm]

I can fit a 360mm on top yeah.

is there not a tower that can cool the 5800x 😛

[oblique haven]

Tbh part of me thinks that AMD won’t have such an easy time with Zen 4. They can beat the 12100, 12400 and 12900K at price parity easily, but the 12600K and 12700K are, like, 40-50% faster than their Zen 3 counterparts in multicore and it makes me wonder how AMD is ever supposed to beat them by enough to hold up against Raptor Lake

[grizzled bloom]

That's the extra cores at play helping the multicore scores

[vast meadow]

I mean that frost giant el macho thing probably could

[finite elm]

I thought NH-D15 was really good. or the Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro

[hollow thorn]

If you look at 5900x against 12700k, 5900x still tends to win, 12700k has 8 P cores and 4 E cores, adding up to 12 cores, against 5900x with 12 cores.

[vast meadow]

Not better than a good 240mm

[hollow thorn]

d15 is neat but yea, aio better

Grand Macho might beat some 240mm aios though

[oblique haven]

The numbers I’ve been seeing indicate that the 12700K is actually slightly faster, only hurt by platform cost… and technically, the 7800X is going to have to compete with it.

[grizzled bloom]

BuT tHat'S NoT a FAir CoMPaRiSoN

[hollow thorn]

depends on benchmark

Most need 12700k OCed to beat 5900x like v ray

[finite elm]

you mean this ugly thing? https://www.amazon.com/Grand-Macho-RT-fan-TY-147B/dp/B01BCLXO7Q

[hollow thorn]

Yes

its huge

[finite elm]

its so ugly

thats for a case without a window

[hollow thorn]

doesn't matter if its huge, lots of fins, lots of cooling :D

[vast meadow]

Ryzen 5000 needs a price cut, but even if Ryzen 7000 is going to be great they really limited themselves as it's going to be ddr5 only

[oblique haven]

It’s a relevant comparison given platform cost comparisons, definitely… but I honestly can’t see the 7800X (which is gonna have eight cores unless AMD has a surprise ready for us) beating the 12700K/5900X in multicore outright

[hollow thorn]

oh wait you're talking about ryzen

the whole time I thought you were talking about the i7-7800x

[finite elm]

Should I get EK 360mm or Arctic Freezer? @vast meadow

[hollow thorn]

Can't say much about 7800x atm

[grizzled bloom]

DDR5 stock is expected to be a little better by then

More mature too

[oblique haven]

I’m basically using my napkin-math skills to make some bootleg projections of Zen 4 performance

[hollow thorn]

We really can't tell

we barely know how good the 5nm node is

[vast meadow]

Arctic but EK also decent, arctic better priced tho

[grizzled bloom]

Is it even confirmed on 5nm? I thought they were talking about 4nm being a possibility

[finite elm]

are the a-rgb and non a-rgb the same quality? so I don't need to pay for RGB fans if I don't want them?

[hollow thorn]

I don't think so, I mean, tsmc doesn't have their 4nm up yet afaik

Well, I don't even think tsmc had a 4nm node, they're working on 3nm iirc

[vast meadow]

Yeah they said they delayed it for d5 stock iirc but good d4 still gonna be better for while imo

[oblique haven]

The number I’ve heard is Zen 4 is set to be about 40% faster than Zen 3, which is enough to beat roughly half to two-thirds of the Alder Lake lineup at price parity in my estimation

[vast meadow]

For Arctic yes, for EK im pretty sure the rgb one is a bit better

[grizzled bloom]

I heard they were looking at other suppliers besides tsmc, it was a big thing because they always use tsmc

[hollow thorn]

leaks are just leaks, we don't know until they actually come out

[vast meadow]

Oh really? Imagine if they moved to intel

[hollow thorn]

Really? The only people close to TSMC is either Intel or Samsung, and Nvidia was all about how switching from 8nm Samsung to 7nm TSMC was going to be a jump

[grizzled bloom]

Honestly that was a while ago I heard that, I don't follow leaks and rumors too much

[hollow thorn]

yea I mostly ignore leaks since they're wrong most of the time, mostly useless information in general

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that was it, samsung 4nm node was what I heard

[quartz oriole]

Ryzen 7000 being ddr5 only is the worst news I’ve seen all day

[burnt spear]

yeah its unfortunate and an odd choice

i wonder how itll change 5000 series prices

and what the prices for 7000 series will be

i have no doubt theyll destroy intel tbh, considering 12th gen just keeps up with amd cpus from 2020

tho to add to that 13th gen is around the corner too

[quartz oriole]

Man intel be printing these gens like cod

How is 13 already around the corner lol

[burnt spear]

havent they been releasing each year for a while?

12th genw as quick but other than that i think its been yearly

[quartz oriole]

I haven’t really been paying that much attention

I honestly didn’t even know 11th gen was out until I saw a 12900k review

[naive pendant]

uh oh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKdbU48GQg&ab_channel=TechYESCity

they're already making b660 boards lmao

actually they might've just gotten the chipsets straight from an actual source and not from dead boards like with those chinese x79 and x99 boards

[lyric cape]

Pat G is a good ceo

Actually technical

[grizzled bloom]

This is true. It's been too long since intel had someone in charge that knew how to do more than just gouge margins for profit.

[lyric cape]

Hes doing something special with RISCV

I can’t figure out what it is yet

But x86 and CISC are going the way of COBOL

legacy power hungry bank applications

[grizzled bloom]

Whatever their plans for risc we'll see it in the enterprise space first. Maybe it'll be the long awaited answer to epyc.

[lyric cape]

I almost hope it isn’t but it likely will be

AMD innovates, intel optimizes

e.g. 64bit being called amd64

i almost hope it isnt the answer to epyc because i recently bought a bunch of epyc 😅

[grizzled bloom]

Back in the day sure, but in the last decade we've seen a floundering amd almost declare bankruptcy, then miraculously get the best ceo they've had this century that not only got them back on track but competing in the enthusiast high end.

[lyric cape]

Oh yeah

Pre Dr Su was… not good

[grizzled bloom]

First gen of any major change will be painful. We've seen that already with the complete redesign of ryzen and rdna. Give it a few gens to be optimized. Like DDR5.

Even if intel managed a 256 thread riscV processor it'll be like first gen threadripper. Nice on paper.

[naive pendant]

turing moment

[shy wyvern]

Only 18.2k cinebench multicore on 12600k

Big disappointment

Stupid CPU can't be cooled by dark rock 4 for overclocking

Have to just be at 4.9ghz

[grizzled bloom]

Wasn't the dark rock one of the coolers that the washer mod helps with? Because sad bracket?

[shy wyvern]

Yeah but I'm too lazy to do it

A lot of effort

[grizzled bloom]

Only about as much as a remount

[shy wyvern]

Their bracket is too high

A remount is going to take me forever

Getting my cooler in between my CPU power and ram took me 30 minutes last time

[grizzled bloom]

Well I guess it is chonky so makes sense

[shy wyvern]

It's applying too much pressure on each lol

It barely fits

It's a CHONKER

That sits weird

The mounting mechanism requires 4 total pieces

Left bracket, right bracket, middle bar, and cooler

I've never had such a complicated mounting set up

With so many sets of screws

[grizzled bloom]

Meanwhile, amd has confirmed am5 will have the same mounting system and brackets as am4 lol

[shy wyvern]

Well they did it because they even have an lga 775 mounting kit

It literally will fit all sizes easily as long as you have the left/right brackets for that socket

It does make it easier to adapt but only it takes forever

[grizzled bloom]

How many times has amd really changed their bracket? I'm pretty sure you can use am2 brackets on am5 now

[shy wyvern]

It's for Stoopid intel

AMD is big nice

Intel takes a random number generator for cooler dimensions

[grizzled bloom]

Right? What person looks at current cooler design and says "you know what would be perfect? Let's make a rectangle ihs that's too big for current square cold plates"

[vast meadow]

Idk why they didn't make it just slightly wider

[cursive mauve]

I have an Odense 2-K mobo for an HP Envy. Anyone know of a decent upgrade replacement for this old thing? Trying to save it vs all new PC $$$$$

[lunar scaffold]

Do any of you guys have a msi b550 gaming carbon wifi with a 5600x on it

[vernal cosmos]

Ask ur question

[lunar scaffold]

I’m upgrading from a 3600 to a 5600x but I don’t know which bios to get cause on their wed site none of their bios says adds support for 5000 series

[normal breach]

hi i want a motherboard for a ryzen 5600g arround $150, any suggestions? some one told me the MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS or the Gigabyte B550 AORUS Elite V2 was fine but I dont know

[vernal cosmos]

Update to the latest

Its a good idea any way

Whether or not you upgrade cpus

[vast meadow]

As long as it's not beta

[vast meadow]

If you're in the US
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PDsnTW/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi

[lunar scaffold]

Perfect thanks

[vernal cosmos]

Indeed

[quartz oriole]

Does anyone like my ram

[vernal cosmos]

Too new

I don like

Ddr2 is cring

If its not ddr i don wan it

[vast meadow]

Pft if it's not Sdr i don't want

[grizzled bloom]

You'll probably need to get a new case to go with the new motherboard. HP likes to make their stuff slightly different from standard so you have to buy oem parts.
What current parts do you have?

[vernal cosmos]

BOI DO I HAVE A TREAT FOR YOU!

[vast meadow]

[vernal cosmos]

@vast meadow there u go

Sdram

[rocky beacon]

i have a 32MB SIMM on my keychain

One of the old 30 pin ones

[vernal cosmos]

gib

[rocky beacon]

It came from an old Macintosh

sadly no clue where that system is

[vast meadow]

[grizzled bloom]

Does the cat add more overclocking headroom?

[vast meadow]

ofc

[vernal cosmos]

Yes through emotional support and sleeping in my lap

[naive pendant]

My cat used to love sleeping in my lap when he was little, but now hes too big for that i guess 😔

[thorny cobalt]

Awww

Kitttyyyyy

[naive pendant]

i5 1035G1 vs i3 1115G4 in laptop for basic coding/programming/IT engineering

[deep spear]

ok, so they seem pretty similar with benchmarks that i've seen, it really depends if you're doing multiple or single core tasks

[cerulean wadi]

The 11gen has better igpu & clocks quite a bit higher, but personally I'd take the 10gen quad core. As OTOD said it does partially matter if the stuff you'll do only uses 2c/4T.

[dense frost]

RAMBUS or GTFO

[cerulean wadi]

🤣 All them chips.

[vast meadow]

🐐 🚌 ?

[dense frost]

must be before your time 😆

[vast meadow]

Twas

[cerulean wadi]

My 1st pc was around 2003 or so. Got to live through when the pentium 4 was common 😅 . Had a 1.7, 2.4, then ended w/ this before I went E8400.

[silk canopy]

So, I have 16gb of ddr4 3200mh ram being capped at 2400mz on a new Newegg purchase. (Pre-built) I tried running it in xmp, and it screws my whole computer over. (im assuming due to the voltage skipping to 1.35v instead of the 1.2 cap. It doesn’t give me the option to allow the 1.35 V and so the computer won’t start properly until I go back to the original factory settings. Anyone know what I can do to fix that? Happy to provide any other info needed, I’m sure this doesn’t fully explain it. Thx in advance.

[burnt spear]

Do you know what the motherboard is?

And what cpu?

[silk canopy]

Yep. Stand by.

CPU is Intel Core i7 11700F (2.5GHz) 8 core/16 thread and motherboard is ASUS Prime B560M-A

[burnt spear]

@vernal cosmos is 11700f mem locked on a b560?

[vernal cosmos]

nothing is mem locked on a b560

[burnt spear]

Thought so

Bad ram is a possibility, but idk enough about ram to give a proper opinion here, sorry j

[silk canopy]

No problem. Thanks for trying! I know it isn’t the greatest RAM, so the reviews have told me, I was planning on upgrading to 32 Gb anyways, but don’t want to of the machine can’t handle it lol

[burnt spear]

Would the ram happen to be corsair?

[silk canopy]

The current one is OLAY.

I was looking to upgrade to the Corsair vengeance.

(RGB PRO) 32 gb 3600

[burnt spear]

Corsair could be just as bad

Corsair is known for not even running xmp

That's an rgb kit, right?

Tridentz is a good alternative i believe

[vernal cosmos]

ballistix rgb

[vast meadow]

Trident z 3600mhz cl16 is actually the best priced 3600 rgb kit atm

[vast meadow]

Ballistix isn't priced great atm tbh

[vernal cosmos]

ah true

[silk canopy]

Ok great. Will pause on the Corsair and look up the Trident Z. Never heard of them, but I’m still a spring chicken in this industry 😆. I work with laptops every day for virtual/in person production, but we don’t really use high graphic etc computers. Just Lenovo think pads (t-14, 490s etc). This is my first gaming pc, and although I went a little cheap with it, I just wanted the 3060Ti that came with it, and will upgrade from there as necessary.

Not bad. Only about 65$ more (canadian) for the Trident Ram. -just a quick Amazon search though, I’ll bet I can find it cheaper than 260$.

[vast meadow]

Trident z is made by g skill btw

[silk canopy]

215$ at NewEgg funny enough..

Yeah. G Skill, Trident Z Neo. This the ones you were referring to? @vast meadow

[vast meadow]

Oh wait you're in canada?

For non rgb
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/9y848d/crucial-ballistix-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-bl2k16g36c16u4w
For rgb
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/w3FKHx/gskill-trident-z-neo-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gtznc

[silk canopy]

Yeah, near Toronto. Thanks! Forgot about part picker!

[vast meadow]

No prob :)

[silk canopy]

So we’re thinking it’s the ram? I went in to the bios, turned on the XMP from auto to XMP 2 (XMP 1 had same results). It then showed that it was calling for 3200Hz, but if I scrolled down to where it told me the Volts being used, it jumped from (in white) 1.2V to (in yellow) 1.35V. That was the only noticeable change. Upon reboot, it would no longer reboot and threw it into a kind of “safe mode” where it wouldn’t let anything run. I have a Gigabyte p650b for a power supply which, from limited research, tells me it should be fine to accommodate both voltages. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[vast meadow]

Wait what's your issue? I thought you just wanted ram

[silk canopy]

No, my 3200 ram is only running at 2400hz. It won’t let me get it’s max speed out.

@vast meadow So, I have 16gb of ddr4 3200mh ram being capped at 2400mz on a new Newegg purchase. (Pre-built) I tried running it in xmp, and it screws my whole computer over. (im assuming due to the voltage skipping to 1.35v instead of the 1.2 cap. It doesn’t give me the option to allow the 1.35 V and so the computer won’t start properly until I go back to the original factory settings. Anyone know what I can do to fix that? Happy to provide any other info needed, I’m sure this doesn’t fully explain it. Thx in advance.

(Just copy/pasted the original query)

[grizzled bloom]

What motherboard do you have?

Since it's prebuilt it should say on the board itself or you can send a pic of the motherboard tab on cpu-z

[silk canopy]

ASUS Prime B560M-A. CPU is Intel Core i7 11700F and psu is Gigabyte p650b

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah that should be capable of doing much more than 3200. B560 is fully unlocked memory overclocking, it should do 1.45v or higher on memory.
Run cpu-z and show the spd tab, maybe we can figure it out.

[vast meadow]

It should be able to do 1.35v easily, I'd try take out the sticks and put them back in, make sure they're in slots 2 and 4 from left to right as well

Sounds more like a motherboard thing tho, if that doesn't work I'd try clear cmos and if that doesn't work I'd get onto newegg support for a replacement board or something

[silk canopy]

Ok. Should be headed home shortly. The only pic o have at the moment I’ll post here. Just the bios page

Nvm. Doesn’t look like I can post here

[grizzled bloom]

DM it to me

You can't do pics until you're level 3, anti-bot and -troll measures

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/942885804160737320/942885840017817631/IMG_9533.jpg

So they're in slots 2 and 4 at least

It could very well be the memory honestly. It wouldn't be the first oloy kit I've seen that can't do xmp.

[vast meadow]

Suppose but even then Newegg should ship out a free replacement kit or something

[grizzled bloom]

Exactly. I'm just afraid they'd make you send the whole thing in. Depends on the rep you get.

[silk canopy]

Yeah, that would be a pain. What’s with slots 2 and 4? What’s the relevance? (Treat me like a noob, as I’m not far off) 🙃

[grizzled bloom]

Those are the slots that are the first in channel A and B in a dual channel system. They allow dual channel mode (faster) and have better speed.

[silk canopy]

Ah. Makes sense. Thx.

Yeah so, I just noticed on this page that the XMP toggle is right there (I was previously going to advanced mode etc and doing it manually there. Same affect though. Once I save and quit, computer reboots to a “your computer needs repair” page. And stays broken until I once again, disable the XMP.

[cerulean wadi]

Did you find any mem voltage in bios yet? Prebuilt or not, should have a setting.

[grizzled bloom]

Turns out he just needed a bios update ^

[silk canopy]

Yeah, all figured out now, thanks all who helped! And Fal for figuring it out and walking me through! Cheers!

[foggy thistle]

im noticing a lot of motherboards are having the CPU power with an 8+4 config. do you NEED that extra 4 pin cable to fully power the CPU?

[split copper]

no

[foggy thistle]

cool beans

[wind karma]

So I just swapped cpus and now my PC isn't booting

Anyone have steps to take?

Motherboard "CPU" and "dram" lights are on as soon as I press the power

[rocky beacon]

Which CPU did you swap in?

Which motherboard do you have?

[wind karma]

Went from 3600x to 5600x

X570 board

ASRock phantom gaming I think

[rocky beacon]

You need to update your BIOS

[wind karma]

Oh

[rocky beacon]

Put your 3600X back in and update the BIOS

[wind karma]

Ok ty

Was not aware that x570 needed a bios update

[grizzled bloom]

X570 is probably more likely to need an update because it came out before B550

[wind karma]

Ah

Is quick format alright for the USB I use to update?

Google says as long as it's fat32 I should be good

[grizzled bloom]

Quick format is fine yeah

[wind karma]

And do you know if I need to move the file out of the folder?

Like after I unzip

I suppose it probably won't show up in the menu if the file isn't in the right place

[grizzled bloom]

Yes it needs to be directly on the root of the drive, no folders

[wind karma]

I left it in the folder and it worked fine ¯_(ツ)_/¯

The mobo has a flash utility in the bios so I could see that it had found the right update file

Now the cap is stuck on my thermal paste tube

[grizzled bloom]

Eh, I guess some boards are smarter now about that. Took them long enough.

[wind karma]

Uhh

@grizzled bloom

I don't use bitlocker

But still not sure which to choose

Do I just try N?

[grizzled bloom]

Y

Otherwise you won't be able to use the tpm

[wind karma]

Ok

Everything seems good 👌

Thank you so much for the help

[upper rose]

tbh what is TPM useful for

it just makes things harder to repair

[vernal cosmos]

not at all

[vast meadow]

Encryption/security

[vernal cosmos]

tpm basically stores a password

saying tpm is useless is like saying encryption on a device is useless and makes things harder to repair

[cursive epoch]

It's like saying a lock on a door adds more things to fix, so it becomes harder to repair

[upper rose]

oh

nvm

my mistake by far

[limber dragon]

Encryption can suck a dong. Imagine trying to recover passwords and saved emails from a computer with water damage

[vernal cosmos]

that would fall under recovery tho not repair

it can cause software issues

not hardware ones

[limber dragon]

Yeah, you get to repair it to even have a chance of recovery

Let me introduce you to oem bitlocker

[vernal cosmos]

repair in order to recover data still is data recovery

[limber dragon]

Enabled from factory and not tied to a ms account

You cant use the machine unless you repair it to remove bitlocker

[vernal cosmos]

I see what u mean

[limber dragon]

Not to mention tpm/secureboot preventing you from booting to external devices, like a windows installation usb

[tropic mist]

on an O11 Mini what size mobo do i need to fit a z73 and 6 other fans

or can i just choose whatever and it will fit all 9

[vast meadow]

As far as i know you cant fit a 360mm radiator in the o11 mini

Nvm just not in the air mini

Any atx or matx board should be fine

[tropic mist]

alright thanks

[cerulean wadi]

11 gen prices

[naive pendant]

xeon time

https://tenor.com/view/troll-pilled-gif-19289988

[burnt harness]

Hey everyone. I have a question about a motherboard in a new case, but the power button is a physical push to turn on. I won’t be able to do that in the new case. It’s too far from the I/O. Where should I go to learn how to rewire or workaround it? Thank you

[grizzled bloom]

Is it one of those oem boards that has the button directly attached?

[burnt harness]

Prebuilt to prebuilt

Yep

[grizzled bloom]

Send a pic, hopefully the button has exposed solder points

[burnt harness]

Not worried about the front i/o as much. Okay. Of course I’m not at home. Lol

Let me check the favorites!

[violet pelican]

Anyone know how to jump fans together

I’m trying to put my radiator fans back together

[burnt harness]

Adapter?

Oh. Nvm

[grizzled bloom]

Try not to ask in more than one channel, I've already suggested something in #building-and-recc-chat

[violet pelican]

Okay Ty

[burnt harness]

Not the best pic

It’s probably something above my skill level anyway.

[grizzled bloom]

Shouldn't be too hard actually

Just a quick solder job to attach the new button

[shy wyvern]

$70 used 10105f locally rn, should I pick it up?

might be nice for a budget build with an H410M

[vast meadow]

Try talk it down a bit imo, you can get a brand new 10100 for 9$ more and they're practically the same cpu

[shy wyvern]

Maybe I will

It's a great budget cpu

[vast meadow]

I'd go b560 if you can

Even this one it least it lets you do 3200mhz ram
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dMbTwP/msi-b560m-pro-e-micro-atx-lga1200-motherboard-b560m-pro-e

[rancid harness]

hi could it be memory issue if my PC suddenly stutters for a second

like audio and video stutter randomly

id say like once every one or two sessions

[hollow thorn]

Could be many issues including memory, more likely software things though

[rancid harness]

wat software would it be

i just changed cpu

[hollow thorn]

Literally anything

Windows discord steam games

[midnight pollen]

if audio freezes sounds like memory or cpu. perhaps keep task manager open for a bit and around time of stutter see if anything is using more resources than it should

[hollow thorn]

Anything crashing can make things wacky

[rancid harness]

my usb kb and mouse just suddenly disconnected for a second

are there like IO drivers

[hollow thorn]

Check your mobo's website

There is b550/x570/sometimes b450 USB issues that should be fixed with a new bios update

[rancid harness]

already on the newest

had been hearing connections and disconnection sounds

i just turned the disconnect sound off

[hollow thorn]

Chipset drivers?

[half lava]

Said just changed CPU. Did you do a fresh windows install?

[stoic fiber]

Looking at intels cpu’s ans cant tell if an i9 is worth the extra hundred or if an i7 12700F would suffice or an i7 10700K. Open to opinions

[half lava]

12900k isn’t worth it unless you’re doing multithreaded work tasks

[stoic fiber]

My intent is to record gameplay and eventually stream

[half lava]

12700k or 12700kf is the value buy for high end

[stoic fiber]

Idk what multi threaded work tasks mean im not gonna lie

[half lava]

If you’re just gaming then a 12600k or 12700k is plenty

[stoic fiber]

Even for recording while i game? And also if you dont mind kind sir, do you know a good video card recommendation? Looking at the 3080 ranges but cant tell if a 3060 would be just as good

@half lava

[half lava]

Value for Gpu is 6600xt/3060ti

What resolution are you wanting to play at?

[stoic fiber]

Idk i was going to get a 1440p monitor and hope for the best

[grizzled bloom]

Recording isn't going to have much impact on your fps no matter what, as long as you use the nvidia encoder

[burnt spear]

12600k is more than enough for a 3090 at 1440p, let alone any other gpu

[stoic fiber]

I just dont know what the numbers mean and the video card i wanted went out of stock. It was a ASUS 3080 ti

[half lava]

Depends what GPU you can gets your hands on

For streaming you prefer a NVIDIA because it has a built in NVENC encoder

Alternatively you can get an AMD GPU and 12600k can game and x264 encode

[stoic fiber]

I want a good one, i think the second i chose was a asus dual 6700

Nvidia is a brand?

[half lava]

NVIDIA makes then design

Then sells to partners. They made some founders editions exclusive to Best Buy

Haha don’t just throw that out there

Someone will scam you

[grizzled bloom]

Nope no payments offerings here

We do parts lists free anyway

[stoic fiber]

Im gonna scam myself with my lack of knowledge

Is the amd cpu’s better than the intels?

[half lava]

Currently Intel is winning

AMD is still very good just not a value atm

[grizzled bloom]

They're pretty even on the high end but intel is better value on the low/mid range

[stoic fiber]

Alright so ill stay with the i7 and then for the video card what number would be the lowest recommended for wanting to record and stream? Like 3080 or 6700

[half lava]

3080 is hard to acquire

[stoic fiber]

But it is a good number if possible?

[half lava]

If it’s in your budget yes

What’s your budget

[stoic fiber]

2600-2700

[grizzled bloom]

You said you have a 1440p monitor right?

[stoic fiber]

Just for the pc

No im going to purchase one though @grizzled bloom

[grizzled bloom]

Ah gotcha

[stoic fiber]

Alright and if i could trouble you all with one last thing…. What number should i look for in a motherboard?

[grizzled bloom]

I'll put a list together for you, give me a few minutes

[stoic fiber]

You’re a freakin angel @grizzled bloom

[burnt spear]

p400a digital price is bad rn

why asus prime over msi a pro?

[grizzled bloom]

Cheaper

[hollow thorn]

A pro better feature set btw

[burnt spear]

theyre the same price

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GvmmP6/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z690-a-ddr4

[stoic fiber]

I think thats the one i had originally chosen too but i coulsnt tell if that was too cheap for a good motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vxKCJM

[hollow thorn]

A pro has more m.2 slots, debug LEDs, flashback, and more sata slots than the Asus board

MSI did well on the lower end z690

Oh and more USB slots on rear io iirc

[burnt spear]

also personally id go with either this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kXbkcf/gskill-memory-f43200c16d32gvk or the 3600c16 version

[stoic fiber]

All very good information, i appreciate all of you

Does pcpartpicker only supply the parts or do they have an assembly option?

[burnt spear]

they provide links to places to buy the parts

[hollow thorn]

Only for organization

[stoic fiber]

Gotcha

[fallow spire]

running a 5950x and 128 gigs of ram, along with 6 sata drives and 2-3 nvme's which board would make more sense, asus crossfire 8 dark hero or proart x570 creator +wifi or is there a better board someone wants to recommend around 4-500 usd, needs to be a x570 for added pcie lanes.

will be using raid 10 on the sata drives

[burnt spear]

ok so

whats the use for this many drives tho

at that point make an external hard drive bay

[fallow spire]

personal server all in one

I mean, I could, but that just takes up more space, and if I was to have a bunch of external usb drives I'm sure to lose them quickly, also not as easy to keep data safe/secure

im not trying to put a full on rack into a room of my house, figured around 50tb would be plenty

its going to be more like a centralized unit and I'll have everything else wired to it.

[half lava]

You already have the 5950x?

[fallow spire]

yeah

[half lava]

Creator has 3 m.2, dark hero has 2

[fallow spire]

right

I could either do 3 4tb drives at pcie 4.0 speeds (which is pointless in its own point after downloads are finished.) or 1 4 tb and 1 8tb ssd

[half lava]

Your choice here is all about features you need. Performance wise they will do the same thing

[fallow spire]

ok, so basically just go with the one with as much as I need got it, ty

[half lava]

Yep

No problem

[fallow spire]

yeah, I wasn't sure if they had any difference outside of less usb ports and a 10 gig lan port and vice versa

oh and a 3rd m.2 slot

[half lava]

Dark hero is more gaming focused but they will game the same

[fallow spire]

right, thats all that matters is performance is the same, its going to be just hidden in a closet

with some way to get proper airflow

[half lava]

Yeah performance wise a $150 board would be fine with 5950x. AMD boards have overkill VRM

[fallow spire]

ok, ill look through some other boards then

[half lava]

When looking at premium boards it’s all what feature you need that justifies the additional cost

[fallow spire]

right, I wasn't sure if it was like before, where there was actual differences with vrm quality

[half lava]

Check MEG X570 Unify from MSI

It’s cheaper and might have all you need

[fallow spire]

wont work, cant do a raid 10 without 6 satas for 50tb's

I dont think they make any hdd's above 20tb atm

yeah, prices for that last 2 tb is also extremely high

[grizzled bloom]

There's sata expansion cards that take a PCI-e slot

[fallow spire]

yeah

trying todo a hardware raid without buying a separate controller though

[grizzled bloom]

AMD hardware raid is trash tho

[fallow spire]

unless you can recommend me one that's not extremely expensive...

really?

yeah my amd buddy didn't mention anything about that

all I know was the wattage alone from the equivalent intel that just released was unbelievable and any savings would quickly get eaten away from my power bill.

[grizzled bloom]

I mean it works but raid 0 I got below regular speed instead of the nearly double I expected, no matter the drivers used

[fallow spire]

I used to love intel, but after 8th gen I started to dislike them

ah

[burnt spear]

12th gen > 5000 series

[grizzled bloom]

Honestly an old xeon workstation will work perfectly as a home server

$200 for the whole thing

Plus drives

[fallow spire]

yeah I considered that as well but I still wanted something that I didn't have to worry about other things

and I dont want to have computers laying all over the house

as one is plenty if you put the right parts in

and can do some tricky wiring

[grizzled bloom]

You'll need a pretty big case if you're planning raid 10

[fallow spire]

im doing 6 hdd's for raid 10, it can fit in a normal (albert full size.) pc case

using 18tb exos unless the 20tb's drop in price, or I can find them new cheaper elsewhere

only place I saw them that wasn't amazon or ebay was server supply, although I didn't look hard yet as I'm doing it pieces at a time

since cant buy a gpu at all, may as well just wait till 4000 or whatever Nvidia's next gen is, and just try to jump on that at launch/preorder.

[naive pendant]

you're not talking about rackmounts right?

actually nevermind, a rackmount would work great

[unreal dagger]

hey guys..

https://www.newegg.ca/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232748?item=N82E16820232748&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwordsca-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwordsca-pc-_-pla-_-memory+(desktop+memory)-_-N82E16820232748&gclid=Cj0KCQiA3rKQBhCNARIsACUEW_YLVLKIhNW44CkyP0lDMFlQQWOu7HJ0dsmpD7f7vCfJAWu_fl-lGpAaAnQuEALw_wcB

https://en.accessoires-asus.com/gl10cs-fx10cs-motherboard-68455-84085.htm

and thats the motherboard my friend has..

she needs to upgrade her ram

for more gb

obviously her ram is stuck at 2666..

but can it run cl16?

[mild jackal]

#general-chat message

[grizzled bloom]

I mean this https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z420-Workstation-MT-Intel-Xeon-E5-1650-3-20GHz-32GB-RAM-1-5TB-HDD-DVDRW-/403475993540

Which is actually the exact one I'm using for my plex / file server

[naive pendant]

Yea I had always wanted one of those but I didn't know the lga2011 ones got so cheap lol

Wow that's actually a pretty good deal

[rancid harness]

apparently other people facing similar issues claim that turning off FTPM reduced the stuttering

whats FTPM?

[grizzled bloom]

(Firmware?) Trusted Platform Module

It's used to uniquely identify your hardware, which is useful for certain security related things and is required for Windows 11 to install.

[rancid harness]

is it okay if i turn it off

because it seems to be the cause for random stuttering

[grizzled bloom]

Go for it. Windows 11 might complain if you try to update it but it's an easy toggle.

[rancid harness]

dont plan to go w11 so it shld be fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYnRL-x6DVI

this the issue

[grizzled bloom]

TPM is 100% not required for end users. Microsoft got a LOT of flak over that requirement, especially at first when they were talking about needing TPM 2.0 which is very recent and would lock out tons of computers that are only like 3 years old.

They backpedaled on that one and said TPM 1.2 is fine, which is found on Ryzen 2000+ and Intel 8000+

[rancid harness]

okay, ill turn it off then

[cursive epoch]

You can even bypass it for win 11

I did it myself on my laptop that lacks any kind of TPM

[vast meadow]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/micron-discontinues-crucial-ballistix-gaming-ram

[rancid harness]

damn

[naive pendant]

that's.... an interesting move

[hollow thorn]

Rip

[shy wyvern]

Does anyone buy RGB stuff anymore anyways?

Everyone I know is doing color themed builds instead

[burnt spear]

its not about the rgb, its about how good the ballistix ram is

[naive pendant]

Ballisdeeznuts

[naive pendant]

Benchmarking my laptop in class

Got 1268 on multi core

Around 62 degrees

Average

[mild jackal]

Nice, gonna sub it to hwbot? We have a :wegg: team

[naive pendant]

Got 703 on single

BAHAHAHAHA

[hoary echo]

how much more performance would another 8gb ram make to a laptop (ontop of the 8 i have)

[burnt spear]

with a 3060 i would highly recommend 16gb

[naive pendant]

Like a very good amount

[cerulean wadi]

Rgb is just a way to have any color option easy, but "rgb" unicorn vomit is butt ugly

[hoary echo]

👍

[naive pendant]

Yea I’m doin like orange black and wood

Copper as well

[cerulean wadi]

That might be decent. 🤘

[cursive epoch]

very good amount is just a rough estimation

[shy wyvern]

Someone in another server freaked tf out at me reccomending an i3 12100f for someone with a 3050

I think it's perfectly reasonable for a gpu of that power isn't it?

[fickle flax]

its okay

[shy wyvern]

Do people really think all quad cores are useless-

12100f is a beast

[fickle flax]

you can blame big name tech youtubers for saying 4 cores is weak

its not tho since the use case for every person is not the same

[shy wyvern]

Big tech tubers are always doubting 6 cores as minimum

Although GN gave the 12100f their reccomendation but they're also very abnormal for big tech tubers

[fickle flax]

there is a reason they are still creating quad cores

it means that theres still demand for them

[shy wyvern]

I'd call them more hardcore tech enthusiasts at GN than typical big tech tubers

[fickle flax]

GN always has a good idea on what its best for some stuff

[shy wyvern]

GN seems very grounded on lower end compared to someone like linus or jay

[fickle flax]

i wouldnt recommend the 12100f for a 3070 and up

but i will for 3060s and below

[shy wyvern]

oh I wouldn't reccomend it for a 3060ti and up

but 3060ti and up is also a "$400" gpu

[fickle flax]

kekw

cheapest 3060ti in my area is around $800

[shy wyvern]

How many people have we seen excited to find 3050's and 1650 supers

oh

3070's in my area are $800

3060ti is $650-700

I also live 20 minutes from a microcenter and best buy does in person drops in my area

[fickle flax]

last year, i bought my 3090 for around $1200

[shy wyvern]

so my used market is like really jank

I had to sell my 2060 for $375 because no one would buy it for higher LOL

[fickle flax]

its a rog strix one so its good enough for my workstation

[shy wyvern]

that's a pretty nice deal

I see some markets with $500ish 2060's and I'm like 👀

[fickle flax]

i was gonna build a second less powerful pc in late 2020

the build was around $1000 which includes a r5 3600 and 1660ti which is around $200 back then

4 months later, price of the gpu nearly doubled to around $360

[shy wyvern]

Yeah I bought my 2060 for $225 used in july 2019

and ended up selling it a few days ago for $375

great investment!

[vast meadow]

[vernal cosmos]

I want one

[dense frost]

I want to see 3 way battle royale tests with Intel and Appls silicone.

[grizzled bloom]

Sure but why are they still making dual core Celeron with no HT that costs almost as much as 12100

[cursive epoch]

holy

that batt life

that's macbook territory

[cursive epoch]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-showcases-13th-gen-core-raptor-lake-cpu-with-24-cores-and-32-threads

already raptor lake info

straight from intel

[dense frost]

big blue machine takes a while to get going, but when it does... hoo boy

[vast meadow]

Sheesh, that's 13th gen code name right?

[cursive epoch]

yes

[vast meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-secret-chris-pratt-silence-dont-say-gif-17543341

[dense frost]

🤣

[finite elm]

How was it 300$ below 3090 MSRP. But over 800 below strix 3090 MSRP 0.0

[fickle flax]

i traded in an old card

im not from the us and a local store around me sells bnew and second hand cards

i traded in an extra 2070 i had lying around

[vast meadow]

Well then you bought it for like 1700 lol

[fickle flax]

technically speaking lmao

[ember pagoda]

Hi I'm looking for some advice on choosing a memory kit. I'm planning on getting around 32gb of ram paired with a 5800x with a clock speed of 3600mhz and a Cas timing of either 18 or 16 (can't decide between the two is the issue). One of the kits that caught my eye is the g skill trident z neo ones, but the 32gb cl16 variant is about 40 USD more than the 32gb cl18 variant. Is cl16 worth the jump? Or should i look at different ram like Corsair or ballistic or something?

[vast meadow]

Well have you already bought the 5800x? It's not really worth it anymore since 12th gen came out unless you're upgrading from an earlier Ryzen version, but to answer your question, yes 3600mhz cl16 is what you want, this is the best priced kit at the moment
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zcH8TW/gskill-ripjaws-v-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

[ember pagoda]

I got the 5800x yeah. I also found a kit of 4000mhz of cl18 for 20 more than the 3600mhz cl18 but I heard a few interesting things about 4000mhz

[vast meadow]

4000mhz basically won't work with a 5800x

That's the tldr version anyway

[ember pagoda]

Ah ok

That price is pretty good I might consider that

Ty for the help

[vast meadow]

Np

But yeah avoid corsair, overpriced and usually worse than the rest

[ember pagoda]

I've heard that their ram is pretty expensive yeah

[swift roost]

12th gen prices are still too high relative to current gains especially if going with DDR5, I'd say wait and let it mature unless being on the bleeding edge is your thing. But in this stupid market, ryzen price should have lowered even more too.

[naive pendant]

we dont use that word here mr.

[vernal cosmos]

dont get ddr5

boom ur entire issue fixed

[swift roost]

by why go with 12th gen then? any future memory upgrade will require a new mb

[vast meadow]

Not really, a 12600k will run you roughly the same price, cheaper if you go with a b660 and perform better, and like rawr says ddr5 is not worth it atm

[vernal cosmos]

13th gen is going to support ddr4 and same socket

after tghat even with ddr5 its a new platform anyway

[vast meadow]

Good ddr4 is still better than ddr5 atm also these "older" boards/imc's won't be as good and might not even be able to run the higher speeds/tighter timings and 12th gen beats ryzen 5000 in everything but 5950x multicore

[vast meadow]

Sorry i meant c*rsair

[swift roost]

Not trying to fanboy, but are you using 12th gen yet? I am seeing a bunch of the tech influencer videos pushing it, which makes sense, but have not really heard any that are currently using the system yet. Most are these highend combos, but I'm fairly sure they are set pieces they put together and then recycle the parts for a new case video and the such. Would be nice if the manufacture would send me a mb, ddr5 combo. I am also interested in how the win 11 experience is, but I am not taking that plunge for a while. too much work reconfiguring after a new install. I use my systems for work, not just gaming.

[naive pendant]

every tech youtuber says the newest thing is great, blah blah

its pretty much like that every gen

like sure its cool, but it's like they dont realize it's impractical to upgrade for a lot of people, or not the best move at the time for them to upgrade

[vast meadow]

I'm not I'll probably be going 13th gen so i can bring forward my ddr4 ram but here's a vid showing how pointless ddr5 is atm
https://youtu.be/6y9s1wetr3g

Not saying you should upgrade

[naive pendant]

@vast meadow bruh

[vast meadow]

I'm saying that noone should be buying ryzen 5000 in 2022

[vast meadow]

https://youtu.be/6Y9S1wEtR3g

[naive pendant]

thanks

[vast meadow]

Idk it un capilitised a few characters on my clipboard for some reason ;-;

[naive pendant]

thats weird

[vast meadow]

Very

[swift roost]

no argument about ddr5 at the moment, ryzen 5000 is good if you already have an existing platform. go from r5 to r9 if you already have the other components. but I imagine that a lot of people have like a 450/500w psu and will need more going to a higher end cpu because then a gpu will be wanted. of course cooling is often overlooked, need for more memory and storage. I am concerned about the new psu needs for the high end components because of the new connectors going forward.

[vast meadow]

12600k is a normal ~120w cpu, and is easier to cool then the 5800x, idk what your bothering mentioned about power supplies anyway, noone with a 5800x is gonna be using a 500w power supply anyway

[mild jackal]

Only hynix ddr5 on a very nice board, e.g. unify x can beat out mid-high tier b-die

Samsung is about the same, varies by game, and micron is just..

Don't buy micron ddr5 haha

[swift roost]

Seems it would all depend on your starting point. I wouldn't be going mid range if I were starting with a 5800x, even just a 12700 would not be enough for the trouble of a complete build. I would not be wanting to go with just 500w with a 5800x and a gpu in the 3080/6800xt combo not to mention 3090/6900xt.

[vast meadow]

What lol?

12700 stomps 5800x

[hollow thorn]

Not yet, they seem to be putting effort into it though

And yea 12700k just p cores will beat 5800x multi core and win single core, then it has extra e cores

12700k is competitive with 5900x

[mild jackal]

Pretty silly to buy an amd gaming chip rn, could wait until zen3d though

[swift roost]

Not enough to build a completly new platform, just upgrade to R9.

[hollow thorn]

Hoping Zen 3d will actually be a good jump and not like 3600xt

[mild jackal]

Still smarter to go z690 + adl and upgrade to raptor imo

[mild jackal]

I think it'll beat stock alder lake, but tuned adl will still win out

[hollow thorn]

I assume they're pushing stock harder and not much more out of oced Zen 3d then

[vast meadow]

I never said you should be upgrading from 5800x to intel 12th gen i said you shouldn't be buying ryzen 5000 in 2022

[hollow thorn]

In my position, as a 3800x owner, if I'm upgrading, I'm going to 12th gen

[vast meadow]

I'm actually waiting for 13th gen but yeah same story

[hollow thorn]

Yea I'm saying if I'm buying something rn

[vast meadow]

Yeye ofc

[hollow thorn]

Prob going to wait a year first

[vast meadow]

Nice we can be twinning 13th gen

[swift roost]

well I'm maxing out now and waiting for at least intel 14th/ryzen 8000 (assuming the next gen is 7000 and not 6000). I should be retired by then hopefully and playing more golf.

[hollow thorn]

Or I'll do 12th gen later this year

Depending on how Zen 3d does

[vast meadow]

Yes but i wasn't saying you should upgrade your pc lol i even said in multi core atm a 5950x is still the best

Was talking to the other guy

[swift roost]

I'm fairly new to discord and following message flow. I still remember using BBS with dialup

[naive pendant]

I wont be upgrading from my current platform for a while

i need a new gpu though 🗿

[vast meadow]

X79 i hope

[naive pendant]

as much as I'd like to I wont 😔

[vast meadow]

Smh my head

[naive pendant]

although, if I still had my r5 2600 I'd use that 7900X i got with whatever x299 board i end up getting after finish ocing it

[vast meadow]

What you running atm?

[naive pendant]

b450 strix & 3900x

if it helps, my server is a c602 board

close enough to x79

[vast meadow]

I'll consider it xD

[naive pendant]

[quartz oriole]

They should make a Ryzen 6000 series desktop cpus

Something to compete with 12th gen and still be ddr4 compatible

[vast meadow]

They can't they work on these things years in advance

The reason ryzen 7000 is realising in q3 as amd wanted you to be able to buy not scalped ddr5

[quartz oriole]

I thought Ryzen 7000 was coming q2

[grizzled bloom]

Delayed a bit

[quartz oriole]

[grizzled bloom]

Are delays really that much of a surprise these days lol

[quartz oriole]

Not really lmao

I mean I have no plans to get 7000 anyway I just want to see the numbers and how they perform

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah the anticipation is killer

I hope they don't do embargo lift on the same day as launch like intel did

Being able to see the numbers a few days or a week in advance helps make informed decisions

[graceful elm]

I'm installing an Intel CPu for the first time and the little lever is pretty hard to push down

I'm scared to put too much pressure

Is that normal

@hollow thorn ?

Sorry for ping I just don't have much time

[vast meadow]

Give it a wiggle and look around the sides to make sure it's in correctly

[quartz oriole]

Found this little sucker in my dads garage

Google says it clocks at 50 MHz

[graceful elm]

Why does the m.2 screw have this little black thing on it

[hollow thorn]

Looks a bit like a standoff that doesn't need a screw, and you just use that piece to hold the SSD down

[graceful elm]

Thanks

[vast meadow]

[quartz oriole]

Maybe it can run Minecraft

[long yew]

need some mobo symptomology opinions: what would cause a brand new motherboard, once the system is built, to power on, spin fans at full speed, display nothing (GPU connected), and refuse to power off?

there is nothing wrong with the power supply

or the other components

I am in fact using them now lol

I really don't want to RMA

[vast meadow]

Have you tried clearing cmos?

[long yew]

I've not, but will

do you think a CPU-less BIOS update is a bad idea?

gigabyte b550 gaming x rev. 1 mobo btw

[naive pendant]

Not really? If it can update without a CPU then that's good

Just dont shut off power during the update

[cursive epoch]

^

[shy wyvern]

also amd I believe still will loan you a cpu to do a bios update

for anyone that doesn't have cpuless bios update

[small pawn]

Hey all, hope this is the right place for this question. Having boot/RAM issues. I have an I7-11700F on an Asus ROG Strix B560-G Gaming WiFi, cooled with a Noctua nh-l9x65. I was using 32 gb (4x8gb) of OLOY DDR4 RAM and it was working normally. Power supply for this system is an EVGA 650w SFX 'Supernova' because of the older 2008 case I used as a sort of sleeper build. I decided to remove it from the older case and put it in a Cooler Master N200 that already had a PC Power and Cooling SIlencer III 750w PSU. I decided to repaste the cooler and dust everything. During the swap, I removed the OLOY ram. After the swap, with everything installed, the system failed to post. There was no beep code from the buzzer, and a steady amber RAM Q-led light. I have tried the following:

I have been warned of duplicate text when attempting to post what I did? Interesting.

So much for copy/paste XD

[vast meadow]

Clear cmos? Reseat ram?

[small pawn]

Reseat RAM, try just 2 sticks, try just 1 stick, move the 1 stick to each of the 4 ram slots, try three different memory brands (Patriot, SK Kynix, XPG) while repeating the previous pattern (all sticks, 2 sticks, 1 stick, try a different slot) and even tried no ram at all. In all attempts but the last, I got a steady amber RAM Q-LED and no bios beeps codes. I did get the right beep codes when I tried with no ram, so the speaker I hooked to the mobo works. Also tried 2 different PSUs and swapping GPUs though I don't think they are the issue. Cleared CMOS too.

[vast meadow]

Also that psu doesn't sound the best, what model is it?

[small pawn]

Sorry, I was on a timer - too many infractions/got booted from server.

[keen surge]

Y'alls are not going to believe what I found 14-14-14-34 timing 3600MHz RAM in 2x16GB capacity, not overclocked

[small pawn]

I tried 2 PSUs, an EVGA Supernova 650 and a PC Powwer & Cooling Silencer 3 750

Specifically, EVGA Supernova 650GM - had to look at the box.

[vernal cosmos]

not a thing

xmp is overclock

[keen surge]

@vernal cosmos https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374215?quicklink=true

[small pawn]

More interestingly, the EVGA psu was in the old case, and had been working fine with the above mobo/cpo/ram combo prior to the swap. The Silencer 3 is in the 'new' N200 case and was working fine with the last build.

[vernal cosmos]

and 3600c14 is NOT jdec

lol

[vernal cosmos]

Yes thats overclocked

it has an xmp profile

[keen surge]

Ah. How well would it pair with a Ryzen CPU?

I use the Ryzen 5 3600 currently but plan to upgrade to either the Ryzen 7 5800X or the Ryzen 7 5800XT

[small pawn]

Pato, found it: https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-650-gm-123-gm-0650-y1-650w/p/N82E16817438149?Description=evga supernova 650 gm&cm_re=evga_supernova 650 gm-_-17-438-149-_-Product&quicklink=true

[vernal cosmos]

well

itll perform great on zen 2 and up

[keen surge]

@vernal cosmos I play games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, X Rebirth (which uses a very complicated multi-threaded game engine), and Deus Ex Mankind Divided, in addition to using my desktop for DJing on Second Life and in VR Chat. I have the MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk motherboard with the BIOS set for a 1:1 FCLK to MEMCLK ratio

For those purposes, would I see enough of a performance improvement for the $400 pricetag on the RAM to be worth the investment?

[vernal cosmos]

no

its not worth 400

get some rev e while its in stock

https://www.newegg.com/ballistix-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820164196

[small pawn]

Depends on how much you want to spend - You're looking at MAYBE a 10% overall performance boost going from a 3600 to a 5800X, I gotta agree with RAWR that there may be better places to put that $400.

[cursive epoch]

nope, not a thing no more

[keen surge]

The other one I was looking at was this, @vernal cosmos https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232860 a 2x16GB 16-16-16-36 3600MHz set

[cursive epoch]

10% over 3600 is false

But I agree to it not being worth to upgrade

[vernal cosmos]

ehh

[vernal cosmos]

3600 to 5800x is a lot more than 10%

[small pawn]

Yeah, you're right. I moisread

Sorry.

[vernal cosmos]

10% perf improvement is what i saw going from 3200c16 to 3800c14 ram

on a 3600x

[keen surge]

Right now my setup is a Ryzen 5 3600 (the 65W TDP) with 2x16GB of 16-18-18-38 3200MHz RAM on a 1:1 FLCK to MEMCLK ratio. What my goal is, is to maximize performance while I wait for GPU prices to drop

[vernal cosmos]

what gpu u got

[keen surge]

Radeon RX 5500XT

[small pawn]

I need to stick to hardwear I am familiar with - but no one needs 486 cpu advice. 😁

[vernal cosmos]

eh unless some title you play is pretty cpu intensive i wouldnt bother upgrading ram really

save up for a gpu upgrade

[keen surge]

X Rebirth is a pretty intensive multi-threaded game. It actually uses four threads, one each for AI, Pathfinding, Physics, and Rendering, but at the same time, the game engine is designed so that the AI and in-world economy continue functioning dynamically even when you're not in that particular zone to see it. X Rebirth uses the Bullet Physics Library.

If it helps, I do plan on upgrading to a 2TB NVMe drive, and am considering one of the dramless nvme drives like the WD Black SN770

In X Rebirth on my current hardware, a new gamestart on 1440p resolution gets me an average of about 80fps, but after the in-game economy has built up and there's a lot of traffic, the framerates tank to less than 30fps

And to top it off, I found out X Rebirth is one of the only games on the market that I have found, that can make use of HRTF Spatialized Audio, which is basically another way of saying true three-dimensional audio, not just simply surround sound but HRTF has to be enabled at the driver level for it to work, and the game has to support it

Difference between HRTF Spatialized audio and standard spatialized audio like your typical surround sound setup, is HRTF allows the listener to hear and pinpoint sounds above and below them, in addition to sounds around them. True three dimensional soundstage type stuff.

That's why I am considering a RAM upgrade, and possibly a CPU upgrade as well. Would it be worth the expense, though?

[shy wyvern]

Still on their website

[mortal sonnet]

hey guys do you think newegg ships the ASUS PRIME B450M-A II with the latest bios?

[small pawn]

Doesn't look like there's any info on what bios that mobo has.