it's probably fine as is on such an old platform
#cpus-mobo-and-memory
split copper
scenic iris
aight how should I do it i dont wanna blow my pc up
scenic iris
it says the timing is 7-7-7-20
split copper
that would be this timing
which means it's running at the second slowest timing I think
scenic iris
oof
split copper
or, well, the second fastest too
do you want to get 2x2gb sticks like you have or 2x4?
scenic iris
prolly 2x4 so that I'll have 12gb in the overall
scenic iris
and how much would a 2x2 run me
split copper
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002TISFCG?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 27 bucks looks like
different kit, cheaper on amazon than from corsair store for this one
scenic iris
aight imma prolly go with that
scenic iris
aight do i do that in my task manager?
split copper
nah, get a browser plugin for that
scenic iris
aight thanks man
scenic iris
edge cus its linked with my windows key
split copper
there should be a plugin that does that for what you use but idk about anything other than chrome or firefox
ah
scenic iris
Would it still be as effective to have no tabs open?
split copper
I guess so
tab sleeper plugin just lets you use as many tabs as you want without it affecting ram too much
scenic iris
aight man thanks for helping me
split copper
yw
more ram shouldn't really give you better performance in mc but it'll at least let you play it 
4gb is tight 😔
scenic iris
yeah cus my ram keeps peaking and hitting 100 percent of the 2gb i give it
split copper
you might want to check your ram settings in your bios to see if you can set it to 666.7 (1333) 9 9 9 24
scenic iris
whats bios
split copper
basic input output system, it's the firmware below your operating system that holds basic computer settings
scenic iris
aight how do i access
split copper
if you have a manual for your motherboard it should show you what key to press when starting up the computer to get into it
scenic iris
nah my uncle gave me his old computer and he has it all custom
dusky totem
Try delete
grizzled bloom
F8 F10 and F11 too
limber dragon
1: its nearly midnight PDT, so early am for most of the US
2: looks are subjective
3: "budget" is also subjective ($50 budget, $100 budget, $150 budget etc)
$50 will work for some am4 cpus, $100 should get a board that works with most, $150 will get a decent looking board that works on all of am4's cpu
livid flume
Who has a b450 steel legwnd?
tawdry pebble
Sorry
tawdry pebble
Who has a b450 steel legwnd?
Well i suggested that and people said i shouldnt
livid flume
I have a 360mm aio and it comes with a fan splitter for the 3 fans, can I use the fan splitter and connect it to the cpu fan header?
Asrock emailed me saying that it is not but people are saying they are doing it and it's working fine
tawdry pebble
Maybe watch a video?
limber dragon
I have a 360mm aio and it comes with a fan splitter for the 3 fans, can I use th...
that's fine
limber dragon
150 i mean
and what cpu?
tawdry pebble
Is the ASRock B550 Extreme4 a good mobo for 150
vast meadow
Is the ASRock B550 Extreme4 a good mobo for 150
You cant use it no bios flashback
tawdry pebble
Wdym
vast meadow
For Ryzen 5000 the motherboard needs bios flashback otherwise it won't work
Bios flashback means the bios can be updated without a cpu in it/a newer cpu that the bios doesn't support
tawdry pebble
So wich chipset do i need
tawdry pebble
Bios flashback means the bios can be updated without a cpu in it/a newer cpu tha...
So this Just means i would have to buy a new one in the future
vast meadow
Chipset is right
vast meadow
So this Just means i would have to buy a new one in the future
No it means you cant use that one as Ryzen 5000 isn't supported out of the box
And you would have to buy a new one in the future anyway because the motherboard is end of life
tawdry pebble
No it means you cant use that one as Ryzen 5000 isn't supported out of the box
oh ok thx
vast meadow
B550
tawdry pebble
b550 is the best?
vast meadow
Not all b550 boards have flashback tho that's the problem
Yes
Technically x570 but it's a waste of money
tawdry pebble
Taichi dummy expensive
most of the are
tawdry pebble
i look at all of them
vast meadow
Well that's just a baseline
Ds3h is on there and its like 70€
Msi pro vdh wifi
Also cheap
tawdry pebble
but they look cheap
vast meadow
Cuz they are
vast meadow
Good mobo
tawdry pebble
or MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS
vast meadow
Sure
tawdry pebble
the gaming plus is cheaper
30 cheaper
sho wich one?
oh its even cheaper on amazon
135
ok thats the one
thx a lot pato ur a hero
vast meadow
@tawdry pebble you better be putting a decent cooler on that btw
Also no igpu
So gotta wait for gpu
tawdry pebble
<@709694675459506218> you better be putting a decent cooler on that btw
but what cooler
tawdry pebble
for a 5600x
what a chonker
what are the requirements for the cooler
like rpm and stuff
vast meadow
like rpm and stuff
Rpm means f all
Just how fast the fan goes
Nothing to do with how good of a cooler it is
vast meadow
what are the requirements for the cooler
I told you the 5600x is toasty
vast meadow
Just ask for recommendations here or ask ppl here if they are good
The other number(tdp) is also an arbitrary number
vast meadow
There can be good cheapish coolers and good expensive coolers
vast meadow
Ek basic aio
tawdry pebble
really?
tawdry pebble
ok thx
tawdry pebble
i have them in the nederlands
vast meadow
It's not on pcpcarpicker
tawdry pebble
yes
tawdry pebble
pretty expensive ngl
and rgb coolers are sexy
Cooler Master MASTERLIQUID ML240L RGB V2?
hollow thorn
...
tawdry pebble
how are you 3 guys always online
tawdry pebble
Cooler Master MASTERLIQUID ML240L RGB V2?
?
vast meadow
Cooler Master MASTERLIQUID ML240L RGB V2?
No, bad
tawdry pebble
ok
vast meadow
and rgb coolers are sexy
They are way more expensive, only good rgb aios are ek aio and arctic rgb and lian li galahad
tawdry pebble
i assume every liquid cooler cools enough
vast meadow
No
tawdry pebble
but the quality is different
vast meadow
Some are 💩
tawdry pebble
yeah thats what i meant
vast meadow
Well the ml is known for leaking
vernal cosmos
i assume every liquid cooler cools enough
some are worse than air coolers
vast meadow
Bad performance compared to an air cooler that's cheaper
vernal cosmos
120s are in general worse than air coolers
vernal cosmos
Worse than stock most of time
nah not that bad
they perform better for gaming and stuff
nothing thats a sustained load on multiple cores tho
vast meadow
nah not that bad
They probs perform gammaxx 400 lvl for gaming
But under sustained
Just as good as stock
vernal cosmos
They probs perform gammaxx 400 lvl for gaming
Yes
vast meadow
Fair yeah
vast meadow
Nope
vernal cosmos
ans prism on anything that is an r5 or lower
tawdry pebble
ok lol
vast meadow
That's the gunk one
vast meadow
ans prism on anything that is an r5 or lower
Yeah
tawdry pebble
tawdry pebble
vast meadow
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tvJmP6/thermaltake-th240-argb-sync-5928-cfm-liq...
Nope, and stop looking at us pc part picker use https://nl.pcpartpicker.com
Cuz you're from Netherlands not us
vast meadow
Nope, and stop looking at us pc part picker use https://nl.pcpartpicker.com
@tawdry pebble
tawdry pebble
yeah i know but i dont know how i used the us one
vast meadow
Idk
vernal cosmos
yeah i know but i dont know how i used the us one
its the default
vast meadow
Yeah
vernal cosmos
you have to manually select if you want for another country
vast meadow
its the default
I linked them the nl one before but idk
tawdry pebble
you have to manually select if you want for another country
i did
anyways
Antec Neptune 240 ARGB
vast meadow
Arctic, ek or lian li galahad
vast meadow
Because it's good
vast meadow
They are
But you'd have to mount it at the front
Because your case doesn't support 360 on top
vast meadow
280 is 100 yeah
240 is 80
280 arctic is possible if not 240 to save the money if not fitting in budget
tawdry pebble
yeah i think 240 is a better idea
vast meadow
Won't be as good but will do
vast meadow
<@!191276897227898880> ?
A tiny bit in temps but won't be noticeable amount go hurt perf
vernal cosmos
will it hurt the performance
what cpu?
tawdry pebble
5600x
tawdry pebble
Is there anyrhing i need to know about ssds
tawdry pebble
Why
vernal cosmos
Is there anyrhing i need to know about ssds
tawdry pebble
But pato said it is alrighr
vernal cosmos
But pato said it is alrighr
alright =/= optimal
pbo on ryzen 5000 is good enough to see some more performance on a 280 aio than a 240 one
vernal cosmos
in general the most recommended drive here is an sn550 for low budget and a mushkin pilot e for a little more
vernal cosmos
Yes
vast meadow
Get a mushkin pilot e
Nah it's not available at a good price in eu
Sn550 is fine
Ohh nvm it's decent price in the Netherlands
vast meadow
Sn550 for 100
It's 105 for an sn550 it's worth the extra 15€
If you don't really care tho just get sn550
tawdry pebble
No i dont lol
I almost never download games
For ram those trident things right
2 x8
vast meadow
400 for 2x8
Wtf
tawdry pebble
Oh nevermind
vast meadow
What are you looking at
tawdry pebble
These are 104 with rgb
vast meadow
Ye
vast meadow
113 with rgb btw ?
tawdry pebble
You know what i dont get is that keyboard companies make their keyboards beutiful and the ruin it by making it membrane or bleu switches
tawdry pebble
113 with rgb btw ?
Yes
vernal cosmos
Where are good membrane keyboards
404 error
vast meadow
Where are good membrane keyboards
They're there just like 300$
vernal cosmos
They're there just like 300$
far superior mechanicals available for that price
vast meadow
Agree but just saying there is good membrane
vernal cosmos
Agree but just saying there is good membrane
price to perf no good membranes
hollow thorn
Lol what
Only good membranes I can think of is like IBM bois
Otherwise, basically nonexistent
vast meadow
price to perf no good membranes
Keyboards that come with the pc for free, infinite price to performance😉
vernal cosmos
Keyboards that come with the pc for free, infinite price to performance😉
true true
vast meadow
price to perf no good membranes
Never said good value tho xd
vernal cosmos
included cooler also best price to performance
tawdry pebble
Do you guys now a good keyboard
hollow thorn
pliant whale
Can you point me in the right direction for putting together the necessities for cpu, motherboard, and case while I have a PSU and GPU on-hand? Thank you!!
elfin warren
#building-and-recc-chat Use PCPartpicker to list the things you already have
And post the link to your items there
pliant whale
<#589689072692494356> Use PCPartpicker to list the things you already have
THANK YOU!!!! I appreciate it!
grizzled bloom
Some new data from hardware unboxed that reinforces what we've been saying, 5800X still faster than 10700k/11700k in almost every game. Both Intel chips are nearly identical to each other in gaming performance.
In short, if you're looking for pure performance 5800X is a decent choice at $430 currently, beating the $400 11700k, but the 10700k is much cheaper and nearly identical to the newer model.
limber dragon
IME going from a 5800x to 10900kf, 5800x has slightly higher highs, but avg is the same because of stutters
grizzled bloom
But were you using a 3090/6900XT for that comparison? Anything less could be a factor, they used a 6900XT in the video
grizzled bloom
Fair enough
In all practicality, the difference between 170 and 165 peak fps is completely negligible anyway
limber dragon
just as an emphasis on whatever they're doing is wrong, 10900k does better in SotTR than 5800x
5800x
10900kf
they're both run at 800x600 lowest, so its purely a cpu comparison
grizzled bloom
They might be using different settings from your testing
Wait one of those screenshots says 1440p
limber dragon
yeah, you can change the res after the run to make it more readable
grizzled bloom
Ah ok just making sure
limber dragon
10900kf is ahead in min/avg/95% by a solid 5%, but 5800x has higher max
last lynx
Yo dudes if anyone could help me it would be greatly appreciated, so recently my brother bough a pre built system that was somewhat kinda already garbage but had a decent gpu and cpu in it, we swapped out his proprietary parts for better ones, but now hes experiencing preference problems. for example before we switched out his parts on his prebuilt system he ran modern warfare at 120fps+ at medium, now his gpu is struggling to keep it at above 60, we made sure to install the drivers but upon restarting it afterwards hes still having these performance problems. anyone know why?
grizzled bloom
What parts were changed out?
Did you reinstall windows? That's usually recommended if you do major hardware changes.
vast meadow
Make sure you have xmp enabled for your ram as well and check the settings if some are auto that could be different settings
last lynx
well yea we did reinstall windows, his windows key was lost during transfer, also we changed out the mobo, psu, and we got him a cooler master cpu cooler
also we tried enabling xmp, but i dead dont know how to on his mobo
grizzled bloom
Which motherboard?
vast meadow
That should easily run xmp
vast meadow
Do you have the ram in the right slots, from cpu left to right empty, ram, empty, ram?
last lynx
oh i took the ram out of the pre built, its 1 stick of 2666mhz kingston ram
i installed the ram on this slot
hollow thorn
2&4
vast meadow
But 1 stick of ram
vast meadow
I think but not familiar with which slot is best for single channel ram
But that shouldn't be a difference that much anyway
last lynx
should i consult the manual?
vast meadow
What cooler are you using for what cpu?
vast meadow
should i consult the manual?
It might say but might not idk
last lynx
oh its a coolermaster hyper 212
last lynx
i5 10400 f
vast meadow
Should be fine
last lynx
so i should try and enabling xmp right?
grizzled bloom
Yes that's a good first thing to do
quasi moon
hey so i had this opportunity to upgrade my cpu , im now going with a i9 9000k , the thing is idk if my motherboard will like it, i have a Asus prime z390-A , im sure it wont be enough for overclocking but will it be enough for normal usage , like will it gives enough power to it ? thx
limber dragon
hey so i had this opportunity to upgrade my cpu , im now going with a i9 9000k ,...
for just gaming, its plenty
long renders or projects might need some airflow over the vrm
quasi moon
alright thank you
untold jay
hey so i have a small problem
i was here a couple months ago about a problem with my ryzen 5 3400g and i just got a second one today and my problems seem to be persisting
every time i seem to try to play a game or just anything to put the graphics under load after a little bit the screen will go black for a couple seconds and when it comes back the amd bug report thing will come up and itll say a driver timeout has occured and most of the time the game that im playing crashes
the only thing i can really do at this point is roll back the driver until it stops
limber dragon
tried DDU and fresh drivers?
untold jay
cause thats what i did with my last cpu/gpu and it worked for the most part but i later found out there was more issues than i thought which was related to hard ware
untold jay
tried DDU and fresh drivers?
already did that and did that but rolled back the drivers one version since that seemed to help the last time went through this process with my last cpu
im gonna do it again
i ended up finding a kinda sweet spot in the drivers which kinda helped my issues last time but other than that idk what else to do
everything is compatible with eachother i just dont know whats going on now
elfin warren
Stock cpu cooler?
untold jay
yep
i dont even get to actually play the game
its kinda the same issue i had last time if you still remember what all i had done with it
elfin warren
Id be checking cpu temps and doing a ram test as well with memtest86.
untold jay
ok
its really weird when it crashes everything on the screen freezes except the mouse i can still move it but then the mouse stops and then the screen goes black and then it comes back with a driver timeout
also its gone through 3 loops of memtest and no errors
im gonna use occt to stress test and check temps
idle rn my cpu is at 20-37 Celsius and gpu sits at 25 Celsius
ok just stress tested it and no crashes no nothing and the temps for the cpu got to about 67 Celsius max and gpu was at 40 celsius max
full silo
Is B560 or H570 better?
grizzled bloom
For gaming purposes, they're identical
grizzled bloom
Is B560 or H570 better?
H570 has 8 more PCIe lanes (doesn't matter), can have 2 more USB ports (varies by model), and supports RAID (limited usefulness with fast single drives)
full silo
Ok, thanks, im probably going to go with whatever the cheaper option is
full silo
and do you think its worth it to get the i5 11500 over the i5 11400?
last lynx
Alright, in the bios of my brothers PC, how do I enable xmp?
It says xmp profile but doesnt allow me to click it
I set the dram frequency to ddr4 2666, was that it?
elfin warren
Exit advanced mode go backbtonez mode with f7
naive pendant
What do you recommend?
gloomy gorge
B550m pro4 or b450m mortar max?
vast meadow
What do you recommend?
Revolution df, rmx, msi mpg, or anything else a or b tier in pins of #cases-psu-and-cooling
vast meadow
B550m pro4 or b450m mortar max?
B550 any day
vast meadow
and do you think its worth it to get the i5 11500 over the i5 11400?
If you are gonna be gaming with the integrated gpu for a while yes, if not not really
brave crystal
ive been having bios issues
vast meadow
Clear cmos?
brave crystal
I change "primary video device" from "ifgx" to "pcie video", but it always reverts after I save the settings
Bios will always load on my secondary monitor unless I unplug the second monitor
vast meadow
The bios screen whichever it loads on is pure luck afaik
peak flax
Seeking recommendations on mobo and memory for amd ryzen 9 5950x.
(also cpu cooling)
Just acquired the cpu so ready to start shopping for the rest.
I want at least 2 nvme drives, but capability for more is better
I have read about some timing issues with 3600 memory on the taichi mobo
This will be for a personal VM host.
Not a gamer so video speed not so important, but there will still probably be a video card for multiple monitor support.
There will be multiple nvme, ssd sata, and spinning sata drives. Once I settle on mobo and memory, then I figure power supply will be next.
Not an unlimited budget, and I will want a "good value for the money", but don't want to go too cheap that I need to replace stuff too soon. I have historically kept a computer for almost 10 years with only disk or memory additions. Because lifetime of the system is important, I have never overclocked anything. While I expect that trend to continue, I may need some advice on appropriate memory speed.
vast meadow
Seeking recommendations on mobo and memory for amd ryzen 9 5950x.
(also cpu cool...
Okay well how much memory do you want btw?
Start with that
Mobo recommendations will depend on region as a lot of it is price related but some good motherboard with 3 m.2s are asus tuf b550 plus, msi b550/x570 gaming edge wifi, msi b550 gaming carbon wifi if you're in the US, if you're elsewhere some of the motherboards might be more/less expensive
peak flax
I'll probably start with 32 but likely add to 64 if it is not sufficient to start with. I suspect that 3 years from now I will swap out to 128
ripe bone
ayo so there are 2 options i ahve rn for cpu/mobo
both the r5 3600, 11400, and 10600k are the same prices.
i need a wifi motherboard and can get 150 dollars for both the r5 3600 and 11400.
is it worth the premium for a z490 wifi board
vast meadow
I'll probably start with 32 but likely add to 64 if it is not sufficient to star...
I would start with 64gb then or you'll have to throw the original 32gb out
vast meadow
ayo so there are 2 options i ahve rn for cpu/mobo
both the r5 3600, 11400, and 1...
11400 and b560m Asus tuf wifi
Or msi pro vdh wifi(something along those lines)
ripe bone
Or msi pro vdh wifi(something along those lines)
oh yeah idrc as much but do you think it will look weird in the p360a case
cause matx
vast meadow
Nah
ripe bone
kk
vast meadow
Rgb is a mess in general but i think so
ripe bone
Rgb is a mess in general but i think so
i. need cool lgihts for better fps
vast meadow
Yes
ripe bone
isnt it aura sync
vast meadow
Afaik
elfin warren
Well
Aura sync is bundled with armoury crate now
Crappy move by asus because armoury crate can cause issues
vast meadow
@peak flax i would do something like this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DNJsNP
As a baseline
You put in whatever gpu you're gonna use
peak flax
Something I did not mention, and probably does not matter, network will be hard wired so wifi not needed. (but might be like buying a phone without a camera. Comes with the package whether I need it or not)
vast meadow
Something I did not mention, and probably does not matter, network will be hard ...
yeah this is the cheapest decent motherboard with 3 m.2s, it just happens to have wifi lol
peak flax
Also don't care about case lights or other aesthetics. Box goes under a desk/table and is not very visible. Noise reduction might be a +
vast meadow
Also don't care about case lights or other aesthetics. Box goes under a desk/tab...
its a very good case that happens to come with lights thats all lol
peak flax
I case case lights are becoming like phone cameras 🙂
vast meadow
sometimes its just a good case for the price though
peak flax
<@731989864978841771> i would do something like this https://pcpartpicker.com/li...
Thanks for the pcpartpicker list. That list will really help me as a good start.
Since the 3rd m.2 on the asus tuf gaming b550 is an E key, then I guess this MB will limit me to 2 nvme ssd's (which is probably enough and all that I would start with anyway, just no option for a future 3rd drive)
sleek gust
Anybody have time to chat about boot options in the bios?
I can't get my new build to stop the cycle of power on and off several times and boot to the bios. I have windows installed on my m.2 and it's the priority for boot but for some reason it still does the power cycle then loads to bios.
Asus prime z390-a mobo
vast meadow
Thanks for the pcpartpicker list. That list will really help me as a good start....
Youre welcome. Ahh i didn't realize it would limit the amount of nvmes but you're welcome, I'm sure you'll be able to find another b550 or z570 3 nvme slot board
vast meadow
Alright this is just me being curious but would running an i5 11400 on a b560 board with a stock cooler with power limits be better than removing the power limits because of the limited cooling capacity and would it throttle quicker, getting higher boosts but most likely worse performance after an hour or so? What do people think?
brazen crater
Guys why do intel moboa are expensive?
elfin warren
B560 isnt bad. Z series is because overclocking
brazen crater
asking for a friend so his question was, "Can I overclock i5-11600KF with an asus Z590 prime pro-p?"
But I do think he need some top of the line mobo there idk
wispy estuary
Whats better in performance, a i7 10th gen or a amd ryzen 7 3700x
vernal cosmos
asking for a friend so his question was, "Can I overclock i5-11600KF with an asu...
Yep
any z490(as long as there is a bios update to support 11th gen) or z590 board can be used to overclock an 11600k. Just avoid asrock boards tho.
vernal cosmos
Whats better in performance, a i7 10th gen or a amd ryzen 7 3700x
depends what you gonna be using it for
livid sparrow
Just get an i5, a Ryzen 7 and i7'd only make sense if your are doing something more than just gaming.
chrome canyon
o11 mini has a usb 3.2 gen 2 cable
my motherboard (x570 plus) doesnt have one
what to do
silk ice
my motherboard (x570 plus) doesnt have one
You might be able to get an adapter but one moment, but that's an Asus x570 plus? Or what brand?
chrome canyon
with wifi
silk ice
ok one moment
chrome canyon
Asus tuf gaming x570 plus wifi
It has a usb 3.2 gen 1 connector
can it run just off that?
i dont think i can buy an adaptor either cause theres only one usb 3.2 port
silk ice
Oh yea, the gen 2 cable will run at gen 1 speeds but will work, however I don't think that motherboard has a header anywhere for that usb-c port on your case
wispy estuary
I dont like my game to look crap
and btw I have a 1660
so a i7-10700k and 1660
around 90 to 100+ fps in cod prob
its cheaper than the ryzen 7 3700x
so
hollow thorn
hm
hmmmm
@chrome canyonlooks like 3.2 gen 1 and gen 2 are different headers
it's 20 pin vs 19 pin
silk ice
oh they are different headers? from all the sources i was able to fidn they looked like they were both 19
hollow thorn
3.2 gen 2x1 says 20 pin for me
silk ice
hmm the graphic I found from this cable manufacturer must be wrong
hollow thorn
from MSI, looks like the 20 pin
oh well
if they have the board and case, they can tell us
silk ice
This is what I was looking at it looks like it depends what header type they used? idk
silk ice
from MSI, looks like the 20 pin
Turns out you were right from the O11 Dynamic's manual it says 20 pin
hollow thorn
wacky
hollow thorn
This is what I was looking at it looks like it depends what header type they use...
ye if you look at 3.2 gen 2 at the bottom, the Key A and Key B look to be 20 pin
Key A looks like the one I'm usually familiar with
silk ice
Yea I think I more got thrown off by the bit in the middle with the familiar older usb 3 header that were both 19pin
That I do realize is captioned "USB 2.0" on further inspection lol
hollow thorn
lel
silk ice
That said there did appear to be adapters online not that I would know if any of them were from reputable companies
sleek gust
Any body have expireance with an asus prime z390-a mobo? I'm trying to figure out why the rgb on the board doesn't shut off after I shut down the pc unless I flip the power switch. I was told it might be in one of the power settings in the bios but I've not found said power settings in the bios.
grizzled bloom
Asus might have it under
advanced->onboard devices configuration->RGB led lighting->in sleep, hibernate and soft states
sleek gust
In the bios correct?
grizzled bloom
yes
sleek gust
Ty. I'll check it out
sleek gust
Asus might have it under
advanced->onboard devices configuration->RGB led lighti...
Your the man! I dug for a long while last night trying to figure that out hahaha
Thanks!
grizzled bloom
Happy to help!
viscid perch
i just got an evga 3070 ftw3. what cpu do you think would pair best with it? im currently looking at the ryzen 5 5600x but i have a intel 10700k that came with the bundle. should i keep the intel or sell it and get a the ryzen 5? or just get a different cpu for the 3070
silk ice
i just got an evga 3070 ftw3. what cpu do you think would pair best with it? im ...
It probably makes the most sense to keep the 10700k I would think since you already own it. what resolution do you plan to play at?
dense frost
i just got an evga 3070 ftw3. what cpu do you think would pair best with it? im ...
10700k will be fine
viscid perch
It probably makes the most sense to keep the 10700k I would think since you alre...
i want to play it at 1920x1080
dense frost
yeah, that 10700k will be perfectly fine
viscid perch
yeah, that 10700k will be perfectly fine
thank you!
dense frost
get a Z490 motherboard and 3200mhz ram
viscid perch
i currently have a x570 mobo so thats why i thought about going to ryzen. my problem is either i sell the mobo and buy a new one. or i sell my cpu and get a new one.
dense frost
oof
viscid perch
its a brand new aorus x570 i got for like 160
dense frost
make and model?
viscid perch
aorus elite wifi
dense frost
ok. sell the 10700k and get a 5600x
viscid perch
okay thats what i was thinking but i wanted to get other imput on it
i just got it for a really good deal so selling the mobo made it a tough decision
dense frost
I mean you have everything but the CPU, so it makes sense. if you only had the GPU and CPU, it would have been a different story
you gonna have a sweet machine. best of luck!
viscid perch
thank you so much dude!!
any suggestion for case though?
actually ill ask that in the case channel
vast meadow
what did mobo psu and cooler did you put in
hollow thorn
What
No
@blissful flower I'd wager it's a windows thing, and you might want to clean install windows, since windows doesn't usually like changing motherboards
Also, dual channel ram?
cyan raft
So I just updated the bios on my mobo and now there’s no video output
It ain’t bricked since everything else works
dense frost
Maybe the PCIe slot mode was screwed up...?
good point. Do you have a rise cable, Alec?
hollow thorn
Good to have 2 sticks either way, might be worth an upgrade later, stick in slot 2?
Do slot 2
hollow thorn
Nope it’s plugged directly into the mobo
Plug into GPU
Keep it in slot 2
Oh wait, misread
@cyan raft board has flashback?
cyan raft
I meant the gpu is plugged in directly to the mobo
cyan raft
<@480883524203839508> board has flashback?
Not sure, it’s a crosshair VIII Hero
hollow thorn
It does have flashback
dense frost
Not sure, it’s a crosshair VIII Hero
dude, that mobo has a readout that will tell you whats wrong
cyan raft
Oh yeah I forgot about that, my radiator kinda blocks it lol
It’s alternating between B6,14, and 15
And C8
What does SCSI Detect mean?
hollow thorn
Scsi is just some bus
14 and 15 look to be standard initializing something
Can't figure out c8
dense frost
Can't figure out c8
yeah, are you sure its C8?
dense frost
yes
dense frost
hold on...
cyan raft
Wait 36 just came up
hollow thorn
CPU initialization
cyan raft
Ahh ok
hollow thorn
I wonder if it's slowly booting
dense frost
I wonder if it's slowly booting
this
hollow thorn
Gonna try to find 8c
dense frost
Should I try reflashing the bios?
I think it may be time for this
hollow thorn
Looked it up
8C - OEM DXE initialization codes
cyan raft
What does that mean?
hollow thorn
Dunno
cyan raft
Damn all this because I wanted smart access memory
hollow thorn
Sam doesn't do much btw
But I'd re-flash it
Remeber you have to rename bios file for bios flashback
cyan raft
It ain’t letting me flash it
It flashes for 5 seconds, then it becomes solid
What should the format of the USB be?
grizzled bloom
fat32
cyan raft
God I’m a moron, the first time I did it, I installed the bios for the Crosshair VIII Hero (WiFi)
cyan raft
The mobo boots up and all that just doesn’t output video
cyan raft
GPU video
Oh thank god it’s actually installing this time
Nevermind still doesn’t output
echo dome
i5-9600KF for €155
Or
i5-10400F for €180
vast meadow
11400 is 180 id get that
but dont get 9600
you need a z390 board
so get 10400/11400 and b560
cyan raft
How necessary is the piece that keeps the GPU in the PCie slot?
It got stuck in place so I had to snap it off
cyan raft
The only way I was getting the GPU out was by snapping it off
livid sparrow
...Theoretically, if enough 'downward' force is constantly applied it should theoretically still be fine?
Theoretically?
hollow thorn
that only holds one side and does not prevent it from sliding out
I mean the tab
does the tab go back in
The issue isn't the GPU coming off
the issue is the GPU sliding off just a bit where a few of the contacts aren't touching
cyan raft
Not sure
Oh cool looks as if it’s meant to be able to come off
Looks like reseating the GPU didn’t fix my no output
elfin warren
Try another PCI-E x16 slot?
That one may be damaged from breaking the retention mechanism out
cyan raft
Nah it ain’t that
I had no output even before snapping the retention off
It happened after I updated the BIOS
echo dome
11400 is 180 id get that
Where lol
echo dome
NL
vast meadow
1 sec
echo dome
Okay
cyan raft
Lmao I had this mobo for 2 years and I never took off the plastic on my m.2 drives heatsink
vast meadow
Woops
cyan raft
Anyone have any clue what could be causing the no gpu output after the BIOS Update?
hollow thorn
???
that has nothing to do with windows itself having weird registry entries and such from swapping mobos
:P
and reinstalling windows fixes a ton more possible things
@cyan raft Flashing still doesn't work?
hollow thorn
remembered to use the renaming tool?
vast meadow
It was probs a beta bios?
cyan raft
Nope I tried the 3 most recent ones
hollow thorn
fun
cyan raft
Rn it’s saying BIOS is updating LED firmware
hollow thorn
bugs are not unheard of from supposed stable bios updates
vast meadow
Mb just use the 5th most recent or something instead?
cyan raft
No point really because the whole reason I did this is so I could use smart access memory which was introduced in the 3rd most recent one
vast meadow
Ohh
cyan raft
Nevermind, still doesn’t work
grizzled bloom
Sometimes, if you're really out of date, you need to jump up versions in increments. Try updating to the newer ones again once it finishes.
cyan raft
I just realized now my keyboard also doesn’t light up
And the black screen still is there even after I installed the original version
cyan raft
Original version I started out with also doesn’t work
Please can someone help me out I really need this build to work and I can’t really afford to buy a new mobo
hollow thorn
reset cmos via battery method again?
cyan raft
Tried it
Didn’t work
On a time like this I really wish I had integrated graphics
Nevermind my motherboard doesn’t even support them
cyan raft
Gotta love none of the damn bios versions working for my MOBO
cyan raft
@elfin warren Any ideas about the boot loop?
Sorry for the ping thought might as well to bring it down here
elfin warren
What is using 100% cpu
honest dragon
it soped i think i had a virus i just scanned and got 3 results i removed them
stoped
but its still only using 4 cores
when my cpu has 8
how can i fix this?
oh nbm
nvm
dark rivet
whats better ryzen 5 5600x or ryzen 7 3700x?
dense frost
whats better ryzen 5 5600x or ryzen 7 3700x?
better for what?
dark rivet
gaming
and other stuff
like schoolwork and gaming
at the same time
with disc
and a lot more of other programs
dense frost
the 5600x
dark rivet
the 5600x
how
it has 2 less cores
sorry i dont really know much about this type of stuff
dense frost
the 5600 has newer architecture, so the cores do more work
in production (video / 3d) the 3700x is slightly better, but only slightly. but in everything else, the 5600x kills it
hollow thorn
I love this chart
rough moth
Guys can i add 1866mhz on my mobo 1600mhz?
bronze kayak
What is the expected lifetime of a Ryzen 7 3700x? Is 5 years too ambitious?
(Purchased in around March 2020)
dense frost
if you used proper cooling, it should last decades. I still have a Phenom ii x4 945 that still works. Thats chip was launched in 2008
bronze kayak
maybe the better question how long will the CPU be relevant for before becoming obselete?
elfin warren
Should be good for a few years yet
oblique crown
Quick one. I have all pieces for the new PC, and the 5090 CPU is on the way. While waiting for it, do I have to purchase the cooler paste separately? I got an arctic liquid 360. So I don't have to wait then for the paste 😄
5900
If I do, what should I purchase?
As a note, the cooler is still boxed up, so I have no idea if it has paste. Everything is boxed for now.
brave crystal
I have 16gb of ram running at 3000mhz, but I also have a set of 16 that run at 2400mhz. Is it better to use 32gb at 2400mhz or should i stick with my 16 at 3000mhz?
i have an amd 2400g if it makes a difference because im told amd works better with faster ram
oblique crown
If you need more than 16gb, use 32. For most users tho 16 is enough, therefor the 3000 should be good.
@brave crystal
brave crystal
I think that I will keep 16 because of the better clock speed. If I find that I use up 16, which is rare or never, I might add the other sticks
cyan raft
Quick one. I have all pieces for the new PC, and the 5090 CPU is on the way. Whi...
It comes with it
It comes with Arctic MX5
gritty meadow
very late reply, but not as late as it could be :)
Reading/watching lots and lots of Hot-chips material,
hollow thorn
very late reply, but not as late as it could be :)
Reading/watching lots and l...
Much thanks, I've also been thinking about signing up for the virtual hot chips this year, thoughts?
hollow thorn
Hmm
gritty meadow
and while i remember, rwt is also a site you might like :)
hollow thorn
Rwt?
hollow thorn
Hmm
gritty meadow
the forum is the main reason
but his articles are ALWAYS worth a read
he just doesnt produce all that many of them
hollow thorn
Side note, found a very useful series of articles from Samsung on semiconductor manufacturing that was quite useful that I wanted to share.
https://news.samsung.com/global/category/products/semiconductors/page/46
But I'll take a look at him when I have time later today :)
hollow thorn
:)
gritty meadow
David Kanter is very much like Anand from Anandtech
his articles have this annoying habit of being good years later :)
hollow thorn
I only know Ian from Anand so far :(
gritty meadow
remember the SSD article ?
also, Anand works for Apple now
he left the site a good number of years ago :)
hollow thorn
Interesting
gritty meadow
the one that gets silly levels of technical for a consumer-ish article
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2829 <- that one too
its also very very easy to see why Ian trived working under/with Anand over the years
hollow thorn
Hm
Interesting to see some of the things on the first one
That old SSDs sucked in random perf compared to hard drives, and how nowadays it's the opposite
gritty meadow
aye aye
at the time, the focus was on different things
the Anthology article is especially interesting in that regard
gritty meadow
aye, its interesting in the frame/context of: Where we (the industry) have come from
hollow thorn
Definitely
oblique crown
It comes with it
Yup, thank you. I thought the CPU needs to come with it, not the cooler.
All the previous CPUs I used came with a cooler and I ve never bothered to change it
brave crystal
i cant get my ram to run above 2800mhz. r5 2400g, asus prime b450m-aii, corsair vengeance LPX 16gb 3200mhz
boots into safe mode and reverts at higher speeds
grizzled bloom
You'll probably need to play with some voltages to get things stable
brave crystal
i could do some research and play around with that tonight
My CPU is not intended to run with ram above 2933mhz but i know people have used the same one with ram speeds at 3200+mhz so i may push it to that if i can
grizzled bloom
Yeah 2000 series should hit 3200 even though its specs say 2933
brave crystal
Yeah 2000 series should hit 3200 even though its specs say 2933
i hope so
I got a 2400g for 50 and its honestly just a placeholder until I can afford a better cpu
possibly a 5600x
grizzled bloom
Silicon lottery
Sample size for 2400g is too small on there, no data shown
hollow thorn
@grizzled bloom no, I'm saying it's the silicon lottery whether the IMC can take it lol
Silicon lottery doesn't have data on imc either way
Only how high the core clocks
hollow thorn
Yeah 2000 series should hit 3200 even though its specs say 2933
Although like half the people can't, and 2400g might have Zen imc, not Zen+ imc, and Zen imc is absolute crap
grizzled bloom
possibly a 5600x
That's a great CPU once you get it, prices are going down a bit too.
For overclocking zen+ set SoC voltage to 1.05v, VDDP to 0.8v or 0.9v
grizzled bloom
Yeah that's why I didn't go straight for the highest settings, just in case. Other Zen+ chips can do 1.125v SoC and 1.05v VDDP.
grizzled bloom
Why would they rate the CPU for 2933 in the official specs if it couldn't hit that at a minimum?
quartz zinc
there was this weird metal thing that came with my motherboard. Anyone know what it is?
grizzled bloom
Looks like an adapter for a power supply so you can use SFF power supply in a standard slot, if I had to guess. Weird the mobo would come with it.
split copper
maybe it's an itx board
grizzled bloom
Could be, that would make sense actually
carmine lynx
been looking at getting new ram and I saw a good deal on newegg for 4000 mhz ram but the issue is, is that my motherboard supports up to 3533+ so does that mean I could run 4000 mhz or is it just 3533?
vernal cosmos
been looking at getting new ram and I saw a good deal on newegg for 4000 mhz ram...
motherboard and cpu?
vernal cosmos
and what speed ram?
humble wasp
3200
vernal cosmos
b460 limits ram speed to 2666 on i5s
carmine lynx
motherboard and cpu?
b450 steel legend from asrock I believe and a ryzen5 3600
humble wasp
Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory
vernal cosmos
so the 3200 kit wont woek at xmp
vernal cosmos
i know but for future
itll run VERY slow on current system tho lol
like at 2133MHZ
carmine lynx
wait is that why I can't enable xmp on my pc?
humble wasp
y?
vernal cosmos
wait is that why I can't enable xmp on my pc?
you have a b450 board?
carmine lynx
you have a b450 board?
yea
humble wasp
yes
vernal cosmos
b460 does 2666 for i5s
humble wasp
ops
vernal cosmos
and 2933 for i7 and i9
vernal cosmos
its an AMD board
so b450?
grizzled bloom
I was confused for a second because B450 is AMD lol
vernal cosmos
b460 is an intel board
grizzled bloom
I think you meant B460
humble wasp
yes
vernal cosmos
I have a b450
b450 can 100% do xmp
humble wasp
he is answering both
vernal cosmos
what ram you got?
carmine lynx
b450 can 100% do xmp
rn I have 3200
humble wasp
so i dont buy that ?
vernal cosmos
rn I have 3200
Ok did you enable xmp in the bios?
vernal cosmos
what motherboard exactly?
carmine lynx
b450 steel legend by asrock
grizzled bloom
Now I'm even more confused lol, questions for both B450 and B460 at the same time 😫
vernal cosmos
b450 steel legend by asrock
Oh yeah that for sure has XMP
humble wasp
lol
humble wasp
Now I'm even more confused lol, questions for both B450 and B460 at the same tim...
answer me plz
vernal cosmos
Now I'm even more confused lol, questions for both B450 and B460 at the same tim...
Im answering them at 1am in the night mate
vernal cosmos
answer me plz
ask something then...
grizzled bloom
answer me plz
Hang on let me catch up
humble wasp
i buy Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory for my spec
or what i should buy
cuz now i only have 8gb 2666
on stick
vernal cosmos
@grizzled bloom ealsaad wants to get a 3200 kit for b460 i5 to "futureproof ram"
there you are caught up
grizzled bloom
If it's the same price as slower speed sure go for it, if not it's wasted potential
humble wasp
but my mb will support ddr5?
grizzled bloom
Yeah first gen DDR5 will be about as fast as the best DDR4 sticks
vernal cosmos
If it's the same price as slower speed sure go for it, if not it's wasted potent...
Its a b460 board tho. and he wants to get 3200 ram... itll run at 2133 unless he configures
carmine lynx
sorry for the trouble but I got another question, So um I was thinking on getting new ram and I saw a decent deal on newegg for 4000mhz 32gbs of ram and I was wondering if I got xmp to work could I actually use the 4000mhz because the board itself says 3533+ mhz for ram I believe
grizzled bloom
but my mb will support ddr5?
No, by the time you upgrade your CPU you'll need to upgrade the motherboard too anyway
vernal cosmos
Yeah first gen DDR5 will be about as fast as the best DDR4 sticks
yes but different soceted motherboards
humble wasp
i will not upgrade
vernal cosmos
so no new chips will support ddr4 tbh
vernal cosmos
sorry for the trouble but I got another question, So um I was thinking on gettin...
one second
Can you boot into the bios right now mate?
humble wasp
so what i do now?
vernal cosmos
so what i do now?
nothing
grizzled bloom
i will not upgrade
In order to use faster memory, you will NEED to upgrade the motherboard eventually
vernal cosmos
2666 is the fastest your motherboard can run anyways
vernal cosmos
Can you boot into the bios right now mate?
@carmine lynx
carmine lynx
Can you boot into the bios right now mate?
yes I can without turning on xmp
carmine lynx
but the last couple of tiems I have tired turning it on
vernal cosmos
yes I can without turning on xmp
then do it and send me a pic
humble wasp
only need more gb size
grizzled bloom
i dont need that fast i am only playing one game
Then there's no reason to buy new memory
carmine lynx
it will get to a boot screen and either stay there or freeze
vernal cosmos
Ill walk you through switching on the xmp
humble wasp
i only run one stick of 8gb
vernal cosmos
it will get to a boot screen and either stay there or freeze
thats not the bios then mate
grizzled bloom
only need more gb size
Then buy another stick with the same timings
humble wasp
i dont know
vernal cosmos
i only run one stick of 8gb
I would get another 2666 stick
vernal cosmos
Then buy another stick with the same timings
wouldnt worry about that tbh
humble wasp
now i have XPG ram
vernal cosmos
as long as its 2666 it should work
grizzled bloom
Mixing dies is bad tho
vernal cosmos
Mixing dies is bad tho
not like theres a lotta die options at 2666
humble wasp
so i but 2 pack of 2666
vernal cosmos
so i but 2 pack of 2666
single stick
humble wasp
they dont sell single
vernal cosmos
you buy a pack of 2 and ur back into single channel
carmine lynx
thats not the bios then mate
I'm able to turn on xmp and and try to get the pc started but it won't get to the desktop so idk I'm probably just going to have to mess with it a little
humble wasp
and it is hard to find this brand
grizzled bloom
I'm able to turn on xmp and and try to get the pc started but it won't get to th...
Probably need to adjust voltages
vernal cosmos
they dont sell single
I find the fact theres no single stick of 2666 ram in ur area very sus
vernal cosmos
and it is hard to find this brand
doesnt mater
buy any stick of 2666 eam
same capacity tho
vernal cosmos
Nah
humble wasp
ok
vernal cosmos
the stick with faster timings will run at the speeds of the slower stick but thats it
wont make much of a difference
carmine lynx
Probably need to adjust voltages
I asked about this a while ago when I tried turning it on and people said do the configuration yourself but I don't trust myself to do it anyways
vernal cosmos
thank yooou so much
No problem!
vernal cosmos
I asked about this a while ago when I tried turning it on and people said do the...
not all timings
just voltage
carmine lynx
yea
vernal cosmos
falcie 1.35 good for most modules right?
grizzled bloom
I asked about this a while ago when I tried turning it on and people said do the...
Leave DRAM voltage at the auto XMP level, 1.05v SoC voltage, 1.0v VDDG (both IOD and CCD), 0.95v VDDP
grizzled bloom
falcie 1.35 good for most modules right?
1.35v is safe for all DDR4
grizzled bloom
1.4v is max jedec spec for XMP, except b-die which is 1.45v max
vernal cosmos
samsung really built the b die different huh
carmine lynx
Leave DRAM voltage at the auto XMP level, 1.05v SoC voltage, 1.0v VDDG (both IOD...
alright next time I'm in the bios I will try and copy that
grizzled bloom
Yeah with proper cooling B-die is good up to around 1.7v
vernal cosmos
Yeah with proper cooling B-die is good up to around 1.7v
Holy -
Tiny noctua whirring intensifies
grizzled bloom
I'm running my set at 1.52v with no additional cooling except my airflow, got 3800c14
vernal cosmos
I'm running my set at 1.52v with no additional cooling except my airflow, got 38...
Great stuff
I run my c die at 1.35 3600cl18
grizzled bloom
Pretty good for that die
carmine lynx
thats a lot of numbers and letters
vernal cosmos
thats a lot of numbers and letters
thats all the numbers and letters I had to edit in bios lol
grizzled bloom
That's the stuff you need to look at for overclocking lol, it gets complex until you break it down into smaller parts
grizzled bloom
grizzled bloom
Yup, any higher and my fclk freaks out and throws WHEAs
grizzled bloom
I can get it lower too, 140 ns probably
vernal cosmos
Mine freaks out below 565