cpus-mobo-and-memory

[burnt spear]

And is a lot cheaper, while being better

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C888TW/thermalright-frozen-magic-scenic-v2-69-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-frozen-magic-360-scenic-v2-d1-g2

There's a 240mm too

[winged marsh]

thank you

seems like my bf has steered me wrong. . .

[burnt spear]

It's not his fault, a lot of people "know" brands like nzxt and corsair to be good

But in reality it's just their marketing and brand name, they're really very often terrible value

And bc of how many people believe that, it's just circulated again and again

[burnt spear]

Hey this is random, but do you need a monitor too?

There's a really good sale on one that just popped up

[winged marsh]

I have a monitor in mind already but plan on probably getting it after I secure all the main components

thank you though 🙂

[vast meadow]

Damm so random what are the chances

[sudden creek]

Does 14900K support much better ram oc versus 13900K?

[grizzled bloom]

The jury is still out on that one

Early results indicate it's easier to stabilize up to about 8000 but no one has maxed the frequency yet

14th gen is looking like the new 11th gen, where the only real advantage is slightly better memory. And I mean slightly.

[sudden creek]

I see.

What's the average perf gain on 14th?

[burnt spear]

Nonexistent

Aside from 14700k

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[compact zenith]

That's good to know.

[sudden creek]

Would you guys say 13900K vs 14900K is worth the $30 difference for ram overclockers?

[grizzled bloom]

It's too early to tell

We've only seen preliminary results and it's still possible those results were on a golden sample, we don't know yet

[cerulean wadi]

Almost might well do 14700K, more ecores than predecessor so doesn't seem too far from the i9, same 8 Pcores I think?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah same 8p

[sudden creek]

Different E-cores?

[grizzled bloom]

Only 4 extra on the 14700k. The other 14th "gen" chips are identical to 13th.

[sudden creek]

Just higher clock speed right?

[grizzled bloom]

Yep

[sudden creek]

Will 13900K be able to use features on the newer boards?

[grizzled bloom]

What new features are there

[sudden creek]

Noticed things like Wifi 7.

[grizzled bloom]

If there are any, then probably since it's the same architecture.

WiFi is totally independent of the CPU

[sudden creek]

Oh, thought the cpu had to support it?

[grizzled bloom]

You can put a WiFi 7 card into a PC with a 2600k

It's just PCIe

[sudden creek]

Oh.

Is there any difference with the new boards then?

[grizzled bloom]

None that I've heard because I haven't seen any concrete details from good sources.

[sudden creek]

The Tomahawk Max looks really nice visually and feature wise, but about $40 more than the Aorus Elite.

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[olive totem]

so nvidia is making desktop cpus now?

[cursive epoch]

no

but server cpus

[olive totem]

going to be making*

[cursive epoch]

they're never gonna do it really

as far as i know

[empty phoenix]

Still no

Server and mobile/IoT

[timber scarab]

I am hoping someone can help me with this. I need to know if these are compatable. https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145418R?Item=N82E16813145418R and https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i9-14900k-core-i9-14th-gen/p/N82E16819118462?Item=N82E16819118462

[grizzled bloom]

Yes they are compatible. I wouldn't recommend getting a 14900k, though. It's just a slightly overclocked 13900k.

[timber scarab]

@grizzled bloomThank you. I agree, unfortunately I already bought it prior to knowing all that 😦

[grizzled bloom]

Oof. Well it's compatible at least.

[timber scarab]

Thank you for your help

[sudden creek]

Welp, at least you get bragging rights.

[delicate iris]

is it ok to mix two different dual channel memory kits into 4 slots? like I have a G.SKill 16gb kit and a Corsair 32gb kit both have the same max frequency as well.

[grizzled bloom]

It may or may not work depending on a few different factors

The memory die used being the primary one

[upper aspen]

Don’t they just default to jedec?

[grizzled bloom]

Even then they might not work

I tried mixing my b die kit with a c die kit and it wouldn't even post no matter what I did

[delicate iris]

hmmm, maybe i'm better off just pulling the 16gb kit entirely and just using the 32, just to play it safe, is there a way to check die types on the manufacturer page?

[grizzled bloom]

G skill has the 042 code that will tell you the die, and corsair has a version number

There's no real way to tell what die they use without the sticks in hand, at least not without spending a bunch on specific timings and speeds

[sudden creek]

Z790 Aours Elite X D5 vs Z790 Tomahawk Max D5 which is better? Same price.

Use is overclocking and productivity with light-medium gaming.

[dull flint]

B760m pg riptide

[sudden creek]

Require at least 4x4.0 M.2 slots.

[grizzled bloom]

"Overclocking" was a requirement lol

[dull flint]

It does overclock

Bclk oc is overclocking

[grizzled bloom]

Does it have the external clock gen at least

[dull flint]

Yes

That's exactly why I said it

And like a 15 phase vrm

[grizzled bloom]

Well there's that, but it's far less convenient and more restrictive

[dull flint]

It's a z790 but it's not

Meh it's better than some z690s

Kekw

Ask about any biostar z board on google and you'd know

[grizzled bloom]

Biostar more like biohazard when magic smoke

[dull flint]

Those things consider 5.2GHz on any lga1700 a miracle

They don't give you the option for higher

[grizzled bloom]

At any rate why not something cheaper like https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=162&sort=price&E=4,7&mt=ddr5&X=0,21047

[dull flint]

How about less M.2

You don't need 4

Get a hyper m.2 card

Or just use bulk sata

[sudden creek]

Let me clean up my asks, also thanks for helping. Also I'm in Mexico, so I can only use amazon.com.mx.

CPU: 13900K or 14900K depending on price in MX.

Needs:

• at least 4x4.0 M.2 slots
• 8+ USB slots
  Wants:
• Good overclocking support, I like to OC as a hobby
• Black and Silver/Gun metal aesthetic

[sudden creek]

Sata is to slow.

Budget: $350 max.

[dull flint]

Not in raid it's not

[sudden creek]

Considered those, but wouldn't that interfere with the gpu since I don't think I can fit that and a 4000 series card on the same board.

[dull flint]

No

[sudden creek]

second reason is I travel a lot. lugging all those extra drives around is a pain in the arse. I'd like to avoid sata as much as possible.

Just a bad experience with them for me most of the time.

[dull flint]

Sata ssd's weigh nothing

[sudden creek]

space.

[dull flint]

Bruh

[sudden creek]

Not weight.

[dull flint]

Bruh

[sudden creek]

I know it sounds like excuses, but please understand that I do not wish to use Sata if it can be avoided.

[dull flint]

Just get a laptop if you're worried about space

Get a 13900hx and 4090m

Stick a 4TB ssd in it

4TB xs70 would work

[grizzled bloom]

Honestly just pick what you like at this point. Or wait until you're in a more favorable tech country.

[dull flint]

We do these lists every time with no outcome

[sudden creek]

is the MSI A or P model better? A is more visually pleasing.

[grizzled bloom]

A should be ever so slightly better for overclocking memory

But P has an extra USB 3.1 header

[dull flint]

They'll both be the same unless the pcb layers are differed

Also dk why space is an issue here, you're picking an atx board instead of itx, and you'll need a thick and heavy 360 aio as well

There's far better ways to skin this cat

[sudden creek]

I have a LS720 already.

So I can find the MSI Pro A on Amazon.mx for $5000 peso. Z790 Aorus Elite AX is $5700, does the Gigglebit offer much better ram oc? I've heard mixed answers.

[grizzled bloom]

The officially supported memory speeds on the QVL are slightly higher for the Gigabyte (7600 vs 7200) but you're much more likely to be IMC limited at that point

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[dull flint]

Mhm

Apex are you ready to buy these like, this week?

[sudden creek]

Is QVL guarenteed from the board manufacture just curious?

[dull flint]

QvL is mostly a meme

[grizzled bloom]

QVL means they've tested the memory kits to work at that speed, but we don't know what kind of a CPU sample they used to make the list

It also doesn't mean they stability tested them

[sudden creek]

Assuming all goes well in two-three weeks. Hopefully I stop running into problems costing me $.

Business is looking pretty good.

[grizzled bloom]

For all we know they used a top 0.1% IMC chip to bin the boards

[dull flint]

Alright, let's revisit this in 2-3 weeks then

Sales will change in that time

[sudden creek]

Wouldn't that still mean the board is able to handle it?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes but so could the MSI using the same CPU in that case

[sudden creek]

Gotcha.

[scenic solar]

I'm trying to find two cheap motherboards that also come with some nice features, just need two that on average go for less than 40€ either used or new.
Requirements for both:

• lga 1151 & am4 socket
• at least 2×16x pcie slots
• in alternative 1*16x and 1×8x or 4x
• one 1x pcie
• any form factor
• at least one 4pin fan header
• am4 has to support older 2nd/3rd gen amd G processors
• a decent I/O

[grizzled bloom]

You'll have a hard time finding any AM4 board for 40 Euros, besides maybe OEM ones that don't fit ATX cases without modifications

[olive totem]

can someone explain (gaming performance wise) why the 7800x3d out performs the 7950x3d while costing half as much basically

cpus confuse me

(like everything pc wise lmao)

[dull flint]

Dual ccd has a latency penalty vs single ccd

That extra 8 cores carries a deficit basically

If you run them both as 8 cores only tho the 7950x3d should be as quick or a little faster

[cursive epoch]

and if you do tune 7950x3d right

it goes nyoom

[burnt spear]

Why doesn't my cpu go nyoom

[amber canopy]

my i5 560m is the fastest in the world

[eternal helm]

False, my i5 560mks is definitely faster

[hard leaf]

False, my e5200 is the fastest of them all

[vast meadow]

7950x3d costs more because it has 16 cores whereas 7800x3d has 8, on ryzen currently the max amount of cores on a die (ccd) is 8 but they effectively slap 2 of them together and use a high speed bridge to link them, but still going between them has a delay

The 7800x3d only has 1 ccd so there's no latency delay going from one to another

[long geyser]

7800x3d is one group of eight people that has 10 pages to write down random data for their math calculations. While the 7950x3d is two groups of eight people, but only one group has 10 pages while the other has 1 page to write down random data for their math calculations. People inside the group can directly talk to eachother, but if a group want to communicate with another group they need to message them online.

Basically, if communication happens between the two groups there will be much higher latency compared to communication inside the groups. There is also the potential scenario of the 1 page group noticing the data isnt inside either group (CPU cache) and needs to read from a whiteboard around the corner of where they are (system memory), which will happen more often then the 10 page group.

There is more manpower (CPU cores) but now with a chance that the data will likely be in the high page group (CPU core cluster with higher cache).

[sudden creek]

So to figure out if my ram is unstable I swapped back to my old kit and for some reason I am not able to run XMP?

Any ideas why?

[grizzled bloom]

Cleared cmos?

[sudden creek]

forgot to do that.

can not clearing cmos cause the computer with a new kit of ram to crash?

[grizzled bloom]

Absolutely

[sudden creek]

Gotcha, will clear cmos and try with the old kit again later today.

[scenic solar]

What model is this mb?

[amber canopy]

whered you get that photo

ebay listing?

[amber canopy]

looks like a z690-f strix?

[scenic solar]

Yes

Non working motherboard

Description is always the same from this seller so it just says non working mb, possible water damage/physical damage, missing parts etc...

It would be €10 with €15 shipping. Would it be worth it in any way? Or shouldn't I risk it... Maybe it's PCB dead and can't be easily repaired who knows

[scenic solar]

I didn't notice this

They have many non working motherboards for just €10 (starting price for the bidding)

[burnt spear]

yeah i wouldn't trust that, and if it is real i doubt they're fixable

sounds like they buy mobos to repair them and now they're reselling the ones they couldnt fix

[scenic solar]

Also lga1700 nah... I'd have to buy a compatible CPU in order to repair it, if possible

It'd make more sense to try the b550 tomahawk because it's easier to get am4 cpus for cheap

Maybe another day I'll think about it

[amber canopy]

send me a link

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/vertcoin-vtc-ocm-gif-25528000

[amber canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/daftpunk-daft-punk-explosion-epilogue-gif-20482285

[scenic solar]

I saw the mb and it was like 15min before the end of the auction. Here's the seller's account https://www.ebay.com/str/dreial?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=YldVF9WnQAG&sssrc=3418065&ssuid=3ufiywmmsac&widget_ver=artemis&media=

They sell only broken stuff

[grizzled bloom]

Which means they probably have a second account to sell the non broken stuff

Or some other way to sell it

[sudden creek]

Does the Z790 MSI Pro-A support PCIE Bifurication? I can't find a answer.

[hard leaf]

unlikely, the z690 pro-a doesnt, so the z790 should be the same

[sudden creek]

ahh okay.

Anyone know what the difference is between the DDR5 T-Create Classic and T-Create Expert dimms?

[grizzled bloom]

The heat spreader. That's it.

[naive pendant]

@burnt spear it it worth upgradinc from a 16gb ram to 32gb

[vast meadow]

Depends

[naive pendant]

On?

[sudden creek]

Modern games I'd say yes.

Especially if you also run browsers, discord, and other stuff in the background.

[naive pendant]

Ohok if I was to buy a 32gb ram can I leave the 16gb ram and add the 2 16gb into it

[burnt spear]

yes but if you're gaming there's no point

and it would also complicate things, since you would have to make sure that the die of the ram matches

ie hynix, micron, or samsung

[sudden creek]

Best to get a 2x16 then 2x8. If the ram's controller doesn't match then you'd have complications.

[sudden creek]

Ehhh, depends on the game but yeah for older titles mostly no.

[burnt spear]

no, i mean using 2x16 and 2x8 together

[sudden creek]

Oh okay.

[burnt spear]

2x16 there's definitely a point

[sudden creek]

My bad, misunderstood.

[burnt spear]

no youre good

[sudden creek]

How's your day been? I just got off work.

[burnt spear]

what cpu do you have

[burnt spear]

ntb, haven't really done much

mostly just sat at home

[naive pendant]

Ryzen 7 5700g

[sudden creek]

Neat, we're brothers in computations xD.

[burnt spear]

do you care about looks, like do you want rgb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Rdstt6/mushkin-enhanced-redline-stiletto-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl16-memory-mrf4u360gkkp16gx2 this would be the most I'd spend, 3600c16

[vast meadow]

Do you use near the max amount of ram, your cpu, how likely you'll be to upgrade your cpu etc, your gpu if you game

[naive pendant]

🤝

[burnt spear]

and cheapest 3600c18 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cxnypg/mushkin-enhanced-redline-stiletto-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-mrf4u360jnnm16gx2

[sudden creek]

5700g should be able to do 4000cl16 if he cares about that, xD.

[vast meadow]

Personally I'd keep 16gb with the 5700g should be fine

[burnt spear]

yeah but diminishing returns for cpu perf

[naive pendant]

I was looking at getting a white on with rgb but don't know if that matters tbh

[sudden creek]

True.

[burnt spear]

i think a gpu is being run with it

[vast meadow]

Poor price and meh

[vast meadow]

Still

[burnt spear]

i mean, there's plain white https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XgtLrH/timetec-pinnacle-konduit-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-pkmd4u36c18fnhw16gk2

[sudden creek]

Was mostly joking jeez.

[naive pendant]

I have no plans in the nearest future to upgrade it

[vast meadow]

I'm still using 16gb on my 13600k

[burnt spear]

white rgb is $80+, not really worth

[vast meadow]

What gpu are you using?

[sudden creek]

👀 might just be the games I play or my workload but 16GB definitely doesn't cut it for me anymore.

[vast meadow]

Probably

[sudden creek]

32GB isn't enough lmao at least not when I do video editing, and such.

[vast meadow]

Cod gets close to using it maybe but never notice a problem

[burnt spear]

16gb doesn't really work for me either anymore

[naive pendant]

Gtx 1650 atm but getting a 3060 ti (no hate pls)

[vast meadow]

It's the video editing

[sudden creek]

I play mostly MW2, Minecraft, and Ark.

Ark and Minecraft hit my ram the most.

[sudden creek]

Yeah I'd imagine so.

[burnt spear]

i mean, how much you spending on the 3060 ti?

~300 is fair

[sudden creek]

No hate from me, just curious why a 3060?

[naive pendant]

Iv forgotten it gonna be a gift tho

[burnt spear]

ah

dope

[naive pendant]

Bot coming out of my pocket

Not*

[sudden creek]

Ahh okay.

Oh, @burnt spear 🤞 all goes well work is looking very promising and I should be able to upgrade to 14900K, Z790 PRO-A, and 64GB of DDR5 next week or sooner!

[burnt spear]

nice!

[sudden creek]

Man am I looking forward to that power and a smooth Adobe AE experience.

[naive pendant]

The link to the newegg Web is dead

[burnt spear]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16820226989?Item=N82E16820226989&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-sKQ1VqShbwZoHdozT1uNNA

[naive pendant]

What's 4000cl16?

[sudden creek]

Ram specs.

I am board limited unfortunately.

B550 DS3H

[sudden creek]

Higher frequencies with smaller timings results in better 1% and 0.1% lows but there is a diminishing return beyond 3600cl16.

[naive pendant]

Oh the one I have currently is DDR4-3200 DIMM CL16 Dual Kit

[sudden creek]

Average kit, not horrible, not great. Gets the job done.

[grizzled bloom]

Could probably overclock that a little and get higher fclk if on Ryzen

[naive pendant]

Honestly my pc isnt that good but it runs all the games I play

[mystic inlet]

Which is better 96 gigs of 8200 or 192 gig at 6600? Want 4 sticks for looks

[split copper]

get dummy sticks

[vast meadow]

None of those are going to work, too fast and high capacity, like maniac said get dummy sticks, and what's better depends on your use for the pc

If gaming, 2x24gb kit at like 6600 or something if you wanna be overkill

[mystic inlet]

Thanks, using it for gaming and the wife uses it for teaching. Seeing as it's a new build for this end of gen, want to max it out

[hard leaf]

sometimes maxing things out doesnt work as well as you think. If you cant justify the huge amount of ram then your pc will be slower for no gain

its like having a huge storage depot 90% empty, but you as the warehouse employee must have to check every inch of it... everytime....

[vast meadow]

That analogy isn't perfect but it gets the point across well

[zealous pond]

Should I upgrade to an I9-9900KF or should I go with the Ryzen 7600 build? My current CPU is an I5-9600k

[burnt spear]

What gpu?

9900kf would hold back anything above like a 3080/6800xt at 1440p if I had to hazard a guess

[zealous pond]

6700xt

[burnt spear]

9600k would be fine, I'd just stick with that

[sudden creek]

Has anyone here tried running a Modded MC server in the background on Windows? If so, could you let me know what your experience has been like. Please ping when replying, thanks.

[burnt spear]

Depends what you're trying to host it from. I normally just host it using essential, which just requires me to be on the world

Which is easy enough

[sudden creek]

mid size pack about 100 mods, Forge and around 5 players.

[grizzled bloom]

Should be fine if you have enough cores to go around

[burnt spear]

Worked easily for my friend on a 9700k and 32gb ram, you should be fine on the 5700g

[sudden creek]

aight.

[mystic inlet]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144639?Item=N82E16813144639&SoldByNewegg=1

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145475?Item=N82E16813145475&SoldByNewegg=1

Which of these two would be the better option?

[cursive epoch]

none of those

what do you do with your pc?

[burnt spear]

1k on a mobo is just plain stupid

Unless you're doing ln2 ocing on a 14900ks on liquid nitrogen chasing every last point for overclocking, never spend over 250 on a mobo. Even 250 is too much

[sudden creek]

What Bacca said except I personally cap out at around 300-500 depending on how long the socket will last generation wise.

[vast meadow]

Anything over 250 is only worth for a very niche reason like thunderbolt native support on amd etc

[burnt spear]

Yeah, $190 on am5 gets you great vrms/io, 3-5 m.2s, ATX if you care for it

Lga 1700 had a couple z790s on sale for $160 with the same features

[sudden creek]

Neat.

Yeah anything over $300 for me is indeed for very niche reasons.

[limber dragon]

even then, apex is like $700-800

[sudden creek]

How's next gen for Ryzen looking?

[grizzled bloom]

A lot better than 14th gen.
We're looking at about 15% IPC plus a clock speed bump so about 20% performance boost over 7000 overall.

[sudden creek]

nice.

[grizzled bloom]

Whatever Intel calls their next gen (core ultra whatever) is expected to be able to compete with ryzen 8000, but will come about 9 months after.

[sudden creek]

oh boy I see.

[grizzled bloom]

Easy win for AMD this year

[mystic inlet]

Was looking for a higher amount of a rgb connections ( more than 2 which I currently have) the one mb extreme looked like I could get their 5.0 SSD with the big heat sync and put that on the board but not sure if I need the heat sync with a SSD going over 1000MB or not.

[grizzled bloom]

One rgb header can handle at least 4 fans, and 5.0 drives can be worse than 4.0 because of heat issues. Size doesn't matter, the controller does. Do you even need 5.0? They're really for things like editing long 8k videos or massive unreal engine projects.

[vast meadow]

Tbf it's also not looking like it's coming out til 15th gen time lol

[quartz zinc]

Resetted the bios and the time is all screwed up and I can’t change it

Also can’t boot into windows

[burnt spear]

Clear cmos

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[grand elk]

Pc won’t post. Black screen, vga and boot light are on, what have I missed here. Any suggestions?

Installed new cpu, motherboard and ram into existing build

[burnt spear]

What cpu mobo and ram

And did you double and triple check all of your connections

[grand elk]

I’m checking connections again right now

[burnt spear]

Sounds like gpu might just need to be reseated since it's vga light

But if cpu has igpu then it should still boot

[grand elk]

I7 14700kf, asus tuff z690, t force 6000

[grand elk]

Done this multiple times and still the same result. No picture

[burnt spear]

Oh have you updated bios

Z690s will very likely need a bios update before running a 14th gen cpu

I believe the tuf has a bios flash button

[grand elk]

On the back or on the board itself?

Nothing on the back

[burnt spear]

One sec

Ah, unfortunately it doesn't look like it has one

So there's two options, either borrowing someone's or buying a cheap (potentially used) 12th gen cpu, or returning it for another motherboard

A used pentium I don't think would be that expensive, and you could sell it again afterwards

[grand elk]

No way to boot it without flashing it?

Tried googling usb methods but wasn’t sure it would work

[burnt spear]

It doesnt look like it sadly, only way is if it had a flashback button

[grand elk]

So it won’t post because of the cpu? Just trying to get a better understanding here

[burnt spear]

Mobo doesn't have the correct info to support the cpu

Needs an older cpu to boot currently, then you can update the bios which would give it the info it needs to run the 14700k

[grand elk]

Any suggestions what cpu to buy or does it matter

[burnt spear]

Any 12th gen, I'd say just look for the cheapest used

[grand elk]

So I should be able to use the 12th gen cpu, then update bios and swap back to 14th?

[burnt spear]

Yep, just do the latest version

Gotta go to the manufactures (asus) page for that mobo and download drivers from there to a USB

There'll be instructions on the page

[grand elk]

I appreciate your help. Thank you

[grand elk]

Now I’m getting a red light lol

[grand elk]

Red light on cpu now. Any suggestions?

[limber dragon]

did you update your bios?

[grand elk]

I couldn’t get to that point before. The light is still on but I was able to start setting up windows

[grand elk]

Ok, update for those who care or who are following along. Lmao. Got it to boot, booted OS from ssd so old windows install

Updating drivers now

[candid tusk]

how long do motherboards usually take to restock? I'm specifically looking for the ASRock B650E PG RIPTIDE WIFI

[grizzled bloom]

No one here could tell you. We don't work for newegg.
It could be a day, it could be a month, it could be never.

[limber dragon]

Newegg sometimes says "backordered, eta date"

[bleak cedar]

What are some good free stress test and benchmarking software for Intel CPUs or CPUs in general?

[grizzled bloom]

3dmark time spy demo

Stress testing depends on what exactly you're testing

[candid tusk]

oh ok thank you

is there a way to get a notification when its back in stock?

[lethal parrot]

Probably a stupid question, but i'm checking out the ABS gaming desktop model: SA13700KF4070TI-2. It says it has Kingston Fury RGB 16 GB DDR5 5600 MHz (2 x 8 GB). I want to buy and then upgrade it to 32 GB using the same Ram model.

Is the Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 RGB 16GB (2x8GB) 5600MT/s DDR5 CL40 DIMM the same one?

The one on Newegg doesn't say Beast, but all the markets selling RAM individually have Beast in it

[grizzled bloom]

Only if there's the "notify me" button on the page

[candid tusk]

ah alright thank you

[grizzled bloom]

It doesn't have to be the exact same model. It doesn't even need to be the same brand or anything. As long as it looks good to you and is a reasonable speed for the CPU it's fine.

[lethal parrot]

Ah thank you, but best case would be to get a DDR5 with 5600MT to match the one in the PC? Not mix and match DDR4 or a 3200MT?

[grizzled bloom]

DDR4 will not fit into a DDR5 motherboard

You could up the speed to 6000 and still expect it to run perfectly fine

I only mention that because 5600 and 6000 are so close in price right now

This would be a good option that balances cost and performance https://www.newegg.com/geil-32gb/p/N82E16820991046

[lethal parrot]

Ahh, I didn't know you could use different MTs

thanks i''ll check that out

[stoic pasture]

Can someone please recommend a RAM kit that will work well with a 7800x3d and an MSI MAG B650? I messed up and bought a non-EXPO enabled kit and need to swap it for something different

[stoic pasture]

Or can I use my XMP kit with no issues

[grizzled bloom]

XMP should still work fine, EXPO just has an extra timing set and the other timings are slightly different

[stoic pasture]

Thank you

[cyan raft]

I would just get a 2x16 kit, will run faster and is still about the same price

8GB dimms are just plain bad

[lethal parrot]

Would there be any problems with having 48 gigs?

[cyan raft]

I mean fully replace the ram

Replace the 2x8 kit with a 2x16 kit

Also with a 13700k you probably could get an XMP of 6000MT/s or higher without issues

Or if you want to manually set an overclock you can get that teamgroup 2x16 JEDEC kit which is guaranteed A-die (I’m doing 8000MT/s with it but that’s not guaranteed)

Depending on the motherboard you probably could get around 7000MT/s out of it

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Create-Classic-PC5-44800-Supports/dp/B0BPHRVYX9

[lethal parrot]

Trying to keep the budget at a set amount this holiday. Only really one ram kit is what I'm thinking of buying.

Would having a 8+8 and then adding a 16+16 cause any issues?

[cyan raft]

4 sticks do not work well on DDR5 at all

You will be limited to very low frequencies

You only want to be running 2 sticks

[lethal parrot]

Ahhh, gotcha thanks

[cyan raft]

If you want to spend the time to manually set frequency and timings, I’d get the kit I sent

If not I’ll look around at other kits out there

Also budget for a kit?

Manually setting everything up will get better performance over an XMP

Just takes a bit more time

[lethal parrot]

https://www.newegg.ca/abs-sr77x470ti-2-stratos-ruby/p/N82E16883360395?Item=N82E16883360395

This is the computer I'll be purchasing, so if I want to upgrade it to 32GB of Ram, it would be better to take out the 16GB of Ram and pop in 16x2. Correct?

[cyan raft]

Yep!

[lethal parrot]

Understood, do i need to stick with the Kingston, or would TEAMGROUP be better for Ram?

[sudden creek]

Brand doesn't matter. The Teamgroup kit he listed is recommended however since it's guarenteed to have a Hynix memory controller which usually tunes (overclocks) better.

[cyan raft]

The kit I sent is better

[cyan raft]

IC not memory controller

Mem controller is solely on the CPU

[sudden creek]

My bad.

Thought it was the otherway around.

[lethal parrot]

Thanks for all the help. One last question cause i'm a total newbie. I know replacing the Ram is simple as pop in and pop out, but is there any configuration or boot up I would do when the new RAM is placed in?

[sudden creek]

Reset the cmos then you're good to go.

[cyan raft]

Basically you’ll need to setup frequencies and timings if you want

You can keep it at default speeds but youll be losing out on performance

It’s simple enough in the form of, set basic voltages, set frequency, test for stability, set timings, and then test for stability

We can help with all of that down in #overclocking

[plain vortex]

Hello, I'm thinking of upgrading to a 5800x3D. I currently have a 5600x3D on a b550-F (WiFi) with 16gb of ram and a 3070. I play at 1440p and I notice I get some stutters and frame drops when playing games like Spiderman Remastered. I'll also soon upgrade to 32gb of ram. Would that be a noticeable upgrade? Or should I just stay as is?

[sudden creek]

Up to you if it's worth it but the games are very small.

I'd recommend upgrading to a 7800x3D or better gpu for a meaningful upgrade.

[plain vortex]

@sudden creek I thought about the 7800x3d but I'd have to also change the mobo and get ddr5 if I went that way. Is it that much better than the 5800x3d?

I plan of upgrading my GPU but I'm thinking of waiting for next gen since Nvidia doesn't look that good this gen and everything went so much more expensive.

[sudden creek]

AFAIK, it's around +15% faster on average.

give or take depending on the game.

[plain vortex]

I see, that's vs the 5800x3d no?

[sudden creek]

yes.

So it'd be a larger gap against the 5600x3D by about give or take 3%.

If you're just gaming a gpu upgrade would be more suitable I think.

[plain vortex]

Also what's the current sweet spot for ddr5 speed and latency rn? 6000mhz cas30?

I really haven't been up to date with this current gen.

[sudden creek]

Unless you like to play large open world games.

[sudden creek]

Depends on if you're with intel or amd.

[plain vortex]

That's basically what I play. The only online game I play is R6 and that runs on a potato lol

[sudden creek]

AMD is around 6000cl34 I think?
Intel I can't say for sure, but I see a lot of people hitting over 6400c34 or better just fine.

[sudden creek]

Ahh cpu would be a good upgrade then.

[plain vortex]

I just want to be able to buy new AAA story based games and just keep not worrying about bad performance lol

[sudden creek]

Don't know what R6 is but in my experience, open world games love cpus.

[plain vortex]

Rainbow 6 siege

[sudden creek]

I play stuff like Ark, Halo, Minecraft, and some other open world games.

[plain vortex]

Any good recommendations on mobo?

[sudden creek]

really any b650 should be fine.

They're all for the most part overbuilt.

[plain vortex]

I have a Asus b550-f but I don't like Asus crappy software

[sudden creek]

Gigabyte is a goto for ram from what I've heard.

I would avoid asus though.

otherwise msi and the others are fine.

[plain vortex]

Really? Not gskill?

[sudden creek]

gskill makes ram not boards.

[plain vortex]

Oh you wrote ram lol

[sudden creek]

If you're fine with a bit of tuning (overclocking) you can buy a 2x16 kit of DDR5 that usually overclocks very well for a good price.

[sudden creek]

No, my bad I should've been clearer.

[plain vortex]

No problem

[sudden creek]

Gigabyte boards this time around seem to handle better ram clocks better on average.

[plain vortex]

Have they fixed their reliability and QC this gen? Before I always read bad reviews from their mobos.

[sudden creek]

Seems so.

[plain vortex]

Oh you answered it as I wrote it sorry

All I know is that I'm definitely not going Asus again lol

[sudden creek]

I can imagine.

But yeah, heard a lot of good things for gigglebyte this gen for intel and amd.

[plain vortex]

My past b550 board arrived with a dead USB 3.1 slot lol

The case one

[sudden creek]

MSI or Asrock would be my next picks after gigglebyte.

[plain vortex]

I had to replace the board after I built the whole system

[sudden creek]

rip

[plain vortex]

Yeah for past gens I had read many good things from MSI and Asrock

For ddr5 the general consensus seems to still be gskill right?

Also would 64gb be overkill for just gaming?

[sudden creek]

Gskill or Teamgroup. Teamgroup is the one I recommend.

[sudden creek]

Yeah it would be. 32GB I find to be the sweet spot if you want to game and have other stuff in the background. 64 is if you work with 3D software or do video editing/effects.

[plain vortex]

Okay, 16gb is starting to feel like it's not enough these days lol

I've noticed that I've been running out of ram a lot lately

[sudden creek]

I do video editing and i've learned the hard way that 32gb barely cuts it.

[plain vortex]

With just discord a game and a light app in the background

[sudden creek]

that and MC which loves ram lmao.

[sudden creek]

Relatabled.

[plain vortex]

I'm thinking of just getting a set of 2x16gb 3600mhz cas 16 for now until I get my tax refund early next year

I can find it cheap enough

If I do upgrade all of that, I might just leave that CPU, mobo and ram for Plex lol

[sudden creek]

Alright.

[plain vortex]

Get a cheap GPU and a couple of big HDDs and just make a media server

[sudden creek]

Well anyways, best of luck to you and hope you get to do what you want 😄

[plain vortex]

Thanks for the help

[sudden creek]

Np.

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-hide-you-didnt-see-anything-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-15123878

[lethal parrot]

Quick question, currently viewing a PC with Intel i9 13900K. Core is 3.0 GHZ, but max is 5.4 ghz.

Does the core speed matter much? Or will the computer automatically go higher when gaming? Would I need to set it to utilize the higher GHZ.

And does the number of cores matter in gaming at all? It's got 8 performance and 24 efficient cores.

[regal bear]

Question 🙂 Would a Ryzen 7 5700 work with a aorus ultra gaming x470? I got the bios to 63b do i need to update bios again?

[burnt spear]

Are you just gaming?

[burnt spear]

Don't know if you need to update bios, but yes it supports it

[lethal parrot]

Yessir

[burnt spear]

Then you wouldn't want to to go 13900k

Either 13600k, 14600k, 7600, or 7800x3d

7800x3d outmatches the 13900k in gaming

13600k/14600k are within a few percent of it

And 7600 is like 5-8% worse than 13600k

[lethal parrot]

Are they sizeable differences? I plan on running 1440p resolution with high framerates

[burnt spear]

With what gpu?

And do you already have a build/have you bought any parts, or are you making a whole new build

[lethal parrot]

GeForce RTX 4070 Ti

Buying a prebuilt

[burnt spear]

7600 would be plenty, but if you want intel 13600k or 14600k

What country?

And what's the price?

[lethal parrot]

Canada, 2800$ CAD

[burnt spear]

Alright few min, I'll see what I can find. You should be able to get a 4080 in that budget

[burnt spear]

Would you be fine with upgrading ram and adding more storage yourself?

[lethal parrot]

Upgrading ram would be fine, I'm not as comfortable handling other technicalities, haha

Hence the pre built

But ram is easy enough

[burnt spear]

Ssd would be pretty easy too, I'd say just as easy as ram

Either just put it on the motherboard and screw a small screw in, or connect a sata cable to the motherboard, then the ssd/hdd and then connect the sata power cable from the power supply

But if you don't want to ill look for a different option

Would be the difference between 4070 ti and 4080, which is pretty significant

[lethal parrot]

Understood, if it's that easy I'll look up some guides. I'm it's as easy as Ram, it should be fine

[burnt spear]

Kk, then this build https://www.newegg.ca/lenovo-90v7003nus-gaming-entertainment/p/1VK-0003-1MK27?item=9SIAXCYJUY4247

And I'll grab you ram and ssd links

Would you rather save money and add a 1tb ssd, or go 2tb

2tb is I think 105

1tb is 50

And do you want rgb on ram or nah? Costs an extra $20

[lethal parrot]

Hey a 20$ upgrade would be fine

Thank you for the help

[burnt spear]

Here's both ssd options and both ram options, it's up to you https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/QTRQyg

Also, if you ever plan to ram tune I'd spend a bit more on ram

[lethal parrot]

Essentially, I would be buying the prebuilt and then just doing a quick addition on storage and ram?

[burnt spear]

Or go for a different non rgb kit

Yep!

All you'll need is a small screw driver, and actually I don't know if the pre built will have the extra screw needed for the ssd. If it doesn't you could get a lil kit on amazon with them for like 10 cad

If you do want to ram tune, this kit https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Gk88TW/adata-xpg-lancer-blade-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ax5u6000c3016g-dtlabbk

If you do need the screw, would just search m.2 screws on amazon or another site

If the pre built comes with them, it would already be on the motherboard most likely

[lethal parrot]

Thank you for all the help 🙏

As of now just looking at storage adding videos

Hope it's as easy as adding ram

[burnt spear]

Yeah np, if you've any questions or would rather add a sata ssd/hdd let me know

[regal bear]

Ty brotha

[mystic inlet]

For memory what is the speed is it the first number after tre ddr5 like 8200 or is it the second number pc6400. For Corsair the 8000 MT/s is like the first number after ddr5? Speed is the second number like pc 6400?

[grizzled bloom]

It's both. They're equivalent speeds measured in different ways.

[mystic inlet]

Thank you

[mystic inlet]

Debating between the 96gb 6600/5280 vs 48gb 8200/7560

G skill trident z5 rgb vs dominator titan. Pretty sure I can get 2 dummy sticks for the titan not sure on the trident z

[burnt spear]

What cpu?

[mystic inlet]

I 9 14900K

[burnt spear]

Gaming?

[mystic inlet]

Gaming and wife uses it for teaching

[burnt spear]

If not, what workstation tasks

Teaching howso

Like zoom?

And Google stuff?

[mystic inlet]

Yes

[burnt spear]

48gb

[mystic inlet]

Zoom Google

[burnt spear]

Also the 14600k games within like 4% of the 14900k, if you're not overclocking on ln2

Even then it's like 7-10% with both oced

It's even closer if gaming at 4k

[mystic inlet]

Not over clocking it

[burnt spear]

The 14600k or 7800x3d

14700k is OK value too

7800x3d beat all of the above in gaming, but I'm assuming you want intel

[mystic inlet]

Was told the 7800 was better for gaming

[burnt spear]

Yeah

In which case you'd want 48gb 6000mhz

Or 32gb, 48gb still not needed in gaming

Won't be for a good while

[mystic inlet]

Yes just for the MB or would go and

[grand elk]

Anyone know why I can’t see the UEFI firmware settings?

[burnt spear]

Alr got mobo?

And what parts overall do you already have

Imo for ram I'd just do
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RV4Zxr/gskill-ripjaws-s5-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f24gx2-rs5k
Or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WmCZxr/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-48-gb-2-x-24-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-f5-6400j3239f24gx2-tz5rk for rgb

The higher speeds don't help it much, you'd get better performance by going to bios and changing a few settings in like 5 min

(For ram timings and speed)

[mystic inlet]

Doing a total new build. I love my case and fans but the fans don’t play well with others. Probably take my strimers and coolmaster tube sleeves as well

[burnt spear]

Ah so definitely a looks person. What're you going for? Do you have any case in mind?

[burnt spear]

(Looks person meaning someone who cares about the looks of the pc)

[mystic inlet]

Current lol

[burnt spear]

Looking for black with rgb again?

[mystic inlet]

Yes

[burnt spear]

And yeah I see what you mean, the rgb looks a bit funky

Any specific case you wanted or nah?

I can grab a few recommendations and see what you like

[mystic inlet]

Look at the coolmaster HAF EVO,

[burnt spear]

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Customizable-Breathable-Sickleflow/dp/B09TL7Z2DZ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?adgrpid=58803899449&hvadid=675782322409&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9003205&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=3518116849155877982&hvtargid=kwd-298730217518&hydadcr=20103_13445635&keywords=cooler+master+haf+xb+evo&qid=1699573677&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.2b70bf2b-6730-4ccf-ab97-eb60747b8daf that?

[mystic inlet]

That’s the case I am looking at. Was one or two others but like that case the most

[burnt spear]

Mind if I link some options? The haf evo is basically always $500 while performing worse than some $60 options, let alone some nicer cases in the $80-120 area

[mystic inlet]

Sure.

[burnt spear]

Not as good airflow wise as some of the other options, but might like the look
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6qFKHx/corsair-icue-4000x-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011204-ww

Also a 5000x for bigger

I like the g360a but it's not as clean of a look https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pqzhP6/phanteks-eclipse-g360a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec360atg_dbk02

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tXhv6h/phanteks-nv5-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-nv523tg_dbk01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdXYcf/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dbk
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/69stt6/phanteks-eclipse-g500a-drgb-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec500ga_dbk01a
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JBKKHx/lian-li-lancool-ii-mesh-c-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-lancool-ii-mesh-c-rgb-x

Sorry for the link spam

[mystic inlet]

Thanks, was looking a Corsair if I went with their link stuff

[burnt spear]

Wdym?

[mystic inlet]

The fans and pump, they have a system that connects everything with less wiring

[burnt spear]

Ah

Fan controller or something else?

[mystic inlet]

Linking the rgb

[burnt spear]

Also if possible I'd try to avoid corsair, icue is especially buggy, and their ram/fans should generally be avoid

Ram because it has some issues any other company doesn't, and fans bc they're terrible value but if you like the look a lot more than other options that's fine

Do you like the 5000d airflow?

Or 5000x?

[mystic inlet]

I have TT fans and love the look but your stuck at 500 if you don’t use their software or I would use those fans

[burnt spear]

Tt Thermaltake or thermalright

Also have you tried openrgb?

[mystic inlet]

Tgermaltake

Using signaling

I like it

[burnt spear]

What about arctic fans?

P12 rgb

[mystic inlet]

Haven’t looked at them

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ6p99/arctic-p12-pst-a-rgb-0db-488-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-acfan00232a customizable

[mystic inlet]

Thank you will look at those

[burnt spear]

If you like them, they perform better than corsair fans are cheaper

And quieter too

[burnt spear]

Also as a side note, what're you looking to spend on the build?

[mystic inlet]

https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-cl-f088-pl12sw-b-case-fan/p/N82E16835106624

Was looking at around 4K without video card

Those are the fans I currently am using

[burnt spear]

Well it's hard to spend that on a build without wasting money you won't notice (not talking about aesthetics)

[mystic inlet]

Was happy with old build just time to upgrade

[burnt spear]

If you're set on the fans go for them, but just so you know they're worse than the p12s performance wise

[mystic inlet]

Not set still looking at most things. Don’t want to run into the fan low rpm thing again

[burnt spear]

Also did you say you alr have a mobo in mind or no?

[mystic inlet]

Yes looking at around extreme X

Around

Arous

[burnt spear]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/D2jRsY/gigabyte-z790-aorus-xtreme-x-eatx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-aorus-xtreme-x that?

[mystic inlet]

That’s it

[burnt spear]

Opinions on this? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hhGhP6/asrock-z790-nova-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-nova-wifi

Or maybe https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HP9wrH/asrock-z790-riptide-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-z790-riptide-wifi

[mystic inlet]

Have to see how many rgb headers it has, looks pretty good though

[cursive epoch]

can always use an rgb controller

[burnt spear]

I left case/fans out https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fWYV4M

That's already overspending in a good few places for gains you won't see though

[mystic inlet]

Last build even using multiple controllers and daisy chaining they needed another header lol

Thanks for that list

[burnt spear]

Also mobo won't really be seen much, so I'd take a look at almost any z690 $300 or lower

Spending beyond like $220 is either paying for stuff you won't use, or paying an absurd upcharge for a few extra m.2s and io ports

[mystic inlet]

O ok thanks for the info on that

[burnt spear]

Also it has 6tb of ssd storage, more than most people need but included it for the memes and in case you wanted it

I should stop starting my sentences with also

Especially when it's multiple sentences

[mystic inlet]

lol thank for the help and suggestion much appreciated

[grand elk]

Would using too much thermal paste on cpu cause temps to be inconsistent and sometimes throttle and randomly shoot up temps?

[grizzled bloom]

Too much, no, but an uneven mount will do that

[grand elk]

Ah ok. I think that could be my problem. I mentioned once before about buying a thermal pad

Would something like this work?

[grizzled bloom]

Graphite no, graphene yes. They do have their own downsides, it's usually still best to use paste. The pads are best for things that you expect to use for more than 5 years with minimal servicing.
Downsides of the pads include slipping, uneven coverage due to the curved shape of the IHS and cooler, and overall less performance than paste.

[grand elk]

Thinking the paste I bought. Corsair XTM50 is bad. This stuff isn’t spreading well at all. It’s clumping while trying to spread it

[cursive epoch]

buy arctic mx-4 next time

[grand elk]

Did the best I could for now.

But now I’m getting yellowish light on mobo and no picture

[cursive epoch]

which debug led is on?

sounds like cpu post code

[grand elk]

Dram

[grizzled bloom]

Update your bios using flashback if you can, and make sure the ram is securely seated.

[spiral echo]

Question

I was rescrewing my ssd and the screw got stuck in standoff, any ideas how to remove it?

[grizzled bloom]

Pliers gripped on the edge

[grand elk]

Ram is good. In order to update bios I need a 12th gen cpu to flash it back

[grizzled bloom]

What motherboard do you have

Most modern boards have a flashback feature that lets you update with it totally powered off, no CPU or RAM required.

[grand elk]

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-z690-plus-wifi/

[sudden creek]

Has there been any reliable benchmarks on 14900K vs 7950x3D for either productivity and gaming?

I noticed that Black Friday is coming up so I am gonna hold out to buy the parts then.

[cursive epoch]

just find 13900k tests

it offers basically no difference than the 13th gen, remember that

[grizzled bloom]

Go home Asus, you're drunk

[grizzled bloom]

Sadly that board is indeed one that does not have the flash button. And it needs to be updated to support 13/14th gen CPUs.

So yeah you need to find a cheap 12th Gen chip to update the bios with. You can resell it after for as much as you bought it for usually if you buy used.

[cursive epoch]

haha

x570 in z690 product page

[sudden creek]

Okay, ty I've made up my mind. Now to wait for Black Friday since there's no rush to spend more money then needed.

[grizzled bloom]

14900k is just a 13900k +200MHz, the only potentially redeeming feature being improved memory stability at high speeds, but that's yet to be proven.

[sudden creek]

Noted.

Does having a contact frame being made of copper make any difference?

https://www.amazon.com.mx/BIBABLYKE-AM5-contacto-7950X7900X7700X7600X-soporte/dp/B0CKMXXBLS/ref=mp_s_a_1_5_sspa?crid=L7K20U5JC5V6&keywords=am5+frame&qid=1699685374&sprefix=am5+frame%2Caps%2C97&sr=8-5-spons&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.4e545b5e-1d45-498b-8193-a253464ffa47&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfbXRm&psc=1

Wondering because I came across this.

[grand elk]

Yeah, did not realize this last week. So I went to bestbuy and bought a i5 12600k, updated everything and then returned it. But now I need a 12th gen again lol

[grizzled bloom]

Oh did you already update the bios? What version?

[grand elk]

I had to in order to get the 14th gen cpu to work. 2802 I think, something like that. But I think removing the cpu to clean the thermal paste to reapply reset the bios again

[grizzled bloom]

Ok 2802 is the latest version. The bios is separate from the CPU, changing one doesn't affect the other. What could have happened is uneven mounting pressure causing the ram channels to drop, which is fixed by replacing the ILM with a contact frame.
Before that, clear your cmos first.

[grizzled bloom]

?cmos

[silk jungle]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[grand elk]

If I clear that I won’t need a 12th gen?

[burnt spear]

Flashing bios again won't help, bios don't revert versions randomly

Fals saying it's a separate issue, and to try clearing cmos

[grand elk]

Got it. Do I need to remove any of the pc parts prior to clearing it?

[grand elk]

Do I need the contact frame prior to fixing the pc? Or can I clear the cmos and retighten the aio to fix it?

[sudden creek]

How does the 7950x3D handle the CCDs for different apps? Wondering because of what Jay mentioned in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZGiBOZkI5w

[sudden creek]

How common is the memory instabillity issue mentioned?

[cursive epoch]

it's pretty rare

and probably depends on the ram kit used

if he's running corsair then im not surprised it's got issues

[grand elk]

Does anyone have any suggestions how to clear DRAM light on mobo? Have an asus tuf z690. I have cleared cmos following the mobo instruction manual, I have tried using 1 ram stick, using both 1 at a time. I have checked both cpu and cpu socket and do not see any damage

I have also tried a brand new i7 12700k and can’t get past the DRAM light

[sudden creek]

It was a kit of G.Skill 6000mh AMD expo.

[sudden creek]

Take it with a grain of salt since this is pure guesswork, but have you considered trying a differentotherboard or separate ram kit?

[grand elk]

No to both. It was working before, went to reapply thermal paste (I used a little too much and/or it was uneven, causing temps to shoot up)

After reapply paste I believe I tightened the aio too much and now I can’t get past the DRAM light

[hard leaf]

sounds like a socket issue, yeah tightening too much cause dimm channels to act weird

its a common issue with the contact frames on 12th/13th gen

[grand elk]

So what’s the fix? Do I need a new mobo?

I have tried 12700k and 14700k and neither work

[hard leaf]

loosening a bit the aio should do the trick, if not then is hard to guess, you said it worked before the reapaste and now doesnt, so i dont think the ram kits are the problem, but the socket itself... check for bend pins on the socket

[grand elk]

I didn’t see anything damaged on the cpu or the socket. There was some paste on the socket but it has been removed

[grizzled bloom]

How exactly did you remove the paste from the socket

[burnt spear]

They didn't damage pins in the socket, that I can say

[grand elk]

With a baby soft toothbrush

[grizzled bloom]

Oh did you see a pic of the socket? I'll accept that then.

[burnt spear]

Yeah they dmed me one before they were asking here, pins all looked good

[grand elk]

I think the mobo is fried

[sudden creek]

Yeah that seems most likely.

[grand elk]

Gonna send it back and buy a new one. Will have to put my old parts back in the pc until I get new mobo

[sudden creek]

Aight.

Anyone here have any experience with using a 7950x3D?

Doing as much research as I can on the CPUs before I pull the trigger on Black Friday.

[cursive epoch]

felix would be able to answer that nut he's not around anymore

[vivid lynx]

So my friend bought some new ram and it doesn't seem to do anything or work any ideas?

[cursive epoch]

what's their cpu, mobo, and ram

is there any debug leds lit on the board?

[vivid lynx]

3900x, msi b550 a pro and the new stuff is 3600mhz 32gb cl18 corsair SL

White led light on next to cpu stays solid so then he changes back to the old ram and its fine again

[cursive epoch]

hm

maybe update bios

then test the new ram

if it doesn't work imma say the kit is faulty

corsair is known for selling poopy ram so

[vivid lynx]

His bios is from 2020 so pretty old

[cursive epoch]

yeah

that needs to be updated

might be all he needs

[vivid lynx]

I'll get him to try that if not corsair is poopy😅

[cursive epoch]

ye

[grizzled bloom]

Corsair ddr4 is indeed poopy, there's a lot of kits that fail to run xmp

[wise lintel]

Question. So I have an asrock b650m pro race WiFi mother board with Radeon 7900 xtx video card and amd ryzen 7000 series processor. It came with oloy 32 ( 2x16) x2 ddr5 ram pc5-48000 6000mhz I wanted to put oloy 64 ( 2x 32) 6400mhz pc5 -51200 in as they were on sale. Is there any benefit to this ?

Pro rs. Not race

[grizzled bloom]

^answered in #building-and-recc-chat

[summer marsh]

Hi is there a difference between msi pro b650 matx and asrock b650 matx? other than it has 2 more ram slots the msi, as you can see asrock is cheaper

[burnt spear]

whats the price diff and what cpu you using?

the hdv is nicer, it also has better cpu power delivery

[summer marsh]

r5 7600

the msi ?

[burnt spear]

wait

can you show the model name?

[summer marsh]

yes

https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baza/asrock/b650m-h-m2-plus/

[burnt spear]

ah not the one i thought it was

[summer marsh]

https://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baza/msi/pro-b650m-p/

[burnt spear]

is there a620m pro rs, b650m pro rs, or b650m hdv/m.2?

[summer marsh]

idk wait

a620m pro out of stock

b650m pro rs out of stock

and the hdv out of stock

damnit

[burnt spear]

ah alr

are there any mobos similarly priced to the other two?

[summer marsh]

why is it

[summer marsh]

the only 2 i could find for matx

AM5

Many Atx are out of stock for some reason

[burnt spear]

did you alr buy anything for the build?

[summer marsh]

i bought the asrock but i can return in no problem

i bought it bcs i was afraid it would be out of stock

[burnt spear]

anything else?

[summer marsh]

A seasonic gm 750 gold

got it cheap

[burnt spear]

alr, and what's your budget for the rest?

[summer marsh]

m2 kingstone 2tb

pretty much got everything

16gb ddr5

r5 7600

rx 6700xt

only monitor

i need

[burnt spear]

ah alr

[summer marsh]

and im questioning myself if the mobo is good

[burnt spear]

then looks fine, main thing is the ram though

is it 2x8 or 1x16?

[summer marsh]

2x8

[burnt spear]

so with 8gb ddr5 sticks, they perform about 40% worse than 16gb sticks

but 1x16 is almost as bad

so with d5 the cheapest option that isn't bad is 2x16

[summer marsh]

so should i het 2x16?

get*

[burnt spear]

yeh

yeah*

ideally 5600mhz+ and cl32 or lower, but im assuming prices are pretty bad there

[summer marsh]

but why is that

[burnt spear]

they have half the banks of other capacity sticks

[summer marsh]

oh

didnt know that..

[burnt spear]

yeah its annoying

[summer marsh]

ill buy 1x16 and when i get more money ill buy the other one

and the banks, what is that

[burnt spear]

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/product/hMLFf7/kingston-fury-beast-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl36-memory-kf560c36bbek2-32 how much more is this than the 2x8 kit?

[burnt spear]

that to be honest I don't understand

i was given the explanation i gave by felix and pato and I've seen how it affects performance

[summer marsh]

50 dollars more

79 2x8 and 129 2x16

[burnt spear]

that would very much be worth it if you can

[summer marsh]

ill try..

thank you for helping

man you learn so many things

its tough building a good pc

as a newbie

[burnt spear]

this would also be fine btw, it's a lot worse than the other kit but still a lot better than 2x8 https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/product/YBWzK8/corsair-vengeance-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-5200-cl40-memory-cmk32gx5m2b5200c40

[summer marsh]

ok, ill see if its cheaper

[pulsar vapor]

Is 5600 cl28 better than 6000 cl30? Both ddr5 for 7800x3d

[grizzled bloom]

The 7800X3D does not care

Either will do great

Just for laughs though, what are the other timings?

If the other timings are like 36-36-36 that's samsung memory and should be avoided for future overclocking, when you eventually need to in 4+ years

You want higher on the other primary timings to get much better odds of getting hynix

[pulsar vapor]

Ty
Do 670e mobo support nvme5 and 4090 at the same time?

[grizzled bloom]

Depends on the individual motherboard how well that works

[dull flint]

6000 is better but both kits sound like hynix so you could get the cheaper one and then use the 6000 XMP if you wanted to

Also yeah X3D doesn't really care (it helps a tiny bit)

[dull flint]

Yes but there's literally zero reason to get an x670e

Unless you spend all day encoding or working on large edit projects for work I'd stick to B650 or select A620M

[pulsar vapor]

Why, wouldn't games be installed faster?

[dull flint]

No

[pulsar vapor]

Hmm

Why?

[dull flint]

You're limited by your internet when you install games

And any half decent nvme will install at the same speed as any consumer internet speed

[pulsar vapor]

How? Steam loads files and installs them offline, no?

[dull flint]

And will run at pretty much the same speed

[dull flint]

Not in any noticeable capacity

[grizzled bloom]

The extraction part after the download is CPU limited

Really, for gamers a 3.0 drive works perfectly fine, hang on I have a couple comparisons

[dull flint]

Windows is also limited by iops so you can't leverage anything beyond even a Sata ssd really in anything that's not video editing (scrubbing) or loading windows

[grizzled bloom]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102614680338456/1115505510154768404/image.png

[pulsar vapor]

So only benefits of having gen5 for a gamer is boot and in-game load speed?

[dull flint]

Not even game load speed

Just loading big video files and windows basically

Think of it like

[grizzled bloom]

Nope you get near zero improved load times, except in games designed to use DirectStorage which you can count on one hand

[dull flint]

The difference between the 4090 on pcie gen 3 vs gen 4

It'll run basically the same

But it's just the tiniest, meaningless difference quicker due to higher bandwidth

[pulsar vapor]

Is there the most future proof am5 socket mobo? Bakka said future proofing is unnecessary but is it possible with mobo choice?

[dull flint]

AM5 has a funny quirk

Where the IHS (the part that has the name label and details on it) is the, entire bottleneck

[grizzled bloom]

Future proofing is impossible due to the nature of technology

If you bought a 9900K when it launched 5 years ago hoping it would hold you over for 7-10 years you're cursing yourself by now

[dull flint]

The result with a tl;dr is that, due to what AMD has done

You can buy almost ANY board for a 7800x3d

And subsequently a large number of future AM5 CPU's will also work

[pulsar vapor]

Ok that makes me feel better

[dull flint]

Realistically

[pulsar vapor]

Ty

[dull flint]

Boards that run all cpus comfortably

Start at 100$

With known tests

A620M Gaming X can run a 7950X or 7950X3D all day without throttling

I'd try and stick to the 125-150 mark for your motherboard

[grizzled bloom]

A620M Pro RS is one of our most recommended boards

[dull flint]

Then grab a nice cheap SSD that's gen 3 or 4

Realistically (and I can tell you this as I'm on x670e and gen 5)

The difference is basically 0

[pulsar vapor]

Ok I'll save money than

[grizzled bloom]

I have a gen 3 drive as well and I have no desire for faster

Gen 4 is nice to have if it's only like $5-10 more (and it isn't the NV2)

[dull flint]

Yeah, sticking to cheap options like

P41 Plus

MP33 or A60

M371

M450

Those are all decent options

Then like, B650m hdv m.2, or a620m/b650m pro rs wifi or msi b650m pro wifi

Or a620m gaming x

All reasonable choices that get you the 99% experience

But you spend under 200 combined for both

[pulsar vapor]

Wow okok

[dull flint]

It's significant cos most people think they need a 200+ mobo and the best ssd they can get, and spend 400$+ when that extra money could go to, say, a gpu upgrade

Or monitor upgrade

[grizzled bloom]

And you won't miss the overclocking support on the A620 boards because you can't overclock the X3D chips anyway. That's the only notably missing feature.

[dull flint]

Pretty much

I tried overclocking my x3d btw fal

Hopeless

[grizzled bloom]

eclk didn't do it either?

[dull flint]

Even when you pay for the options, it doesn't want to

The moment I step off 100 bclk it just went wild

[grizzled bloom]

Ouch, yeah. Oh well, it still beats a 13900k at 1/3 the power at stock.

[dull flint]

But think of it this way @pulsar vapor what you had before with a budget for say, a 4070Ti, now you can do a 7900 XTX, or if you do things right, a 4080

Or upgrade your 500$ monitor, to say, a $700 OLED

[grizzled bloom]

4080 sounds like a step down to me from the xtx

[dull flint]

Because you didn't chase that 1% cpu performance and instead put your gains elsewhere

[pulsar vapor]

700 oled?

[grizzled bloom]

Unless you really like squinting at light rays

[dull flint]

In the right places yeah

[pulsar vapor]

Is 4090 best gpu?

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

[pulsar vapor]

Ok I'll get that

[grizzled bloom]

But it's also almost 2k

[pulsar vapor]

Yeeeeah...

[olive totem]

xtx gang

[dull flint]

4090 is the cream of the crop, it's another case like AM5, where overspending is nearly pointless

[pulsar vapor]

Enlighten me please, maybe I'll save even more

[dull flint]

You stop at MSI suprim for 4090, and go no higher, spending more is a downgrade or sidegrade

But all the cheap options perform basically the same

40 series Nvidia is voltage limited, so they all run at basically the same performance out of the box

Any extra oomph is barely noticeable as none of them are locked under their limit

[olive totem]

felix and falcie i want opinions in #cases-psu-and-cooling

[dull flint]

I'd personally just get the cheapest one that isn't a gigabyte

[pulsar vapor]

2900 cad

[dull flint]

And anything cheaper? Or rather, what's cheaper

[grizzled bloom]

The cheapest in cad is $2359 https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_559&item_id=237104

[pulsar vapor]

Msi gaming 4090 $2300

[dull flint]

Gaming X?

Gaming trio?

[grizzled bloom]

That's only slightly above msrp, downright reasonable right now

[pulsar vapor]

Ok so it can be any 4090, doesn't have to be msi suprim?

[dull flint]

No it doesn't have to be suprim

[grizzled bloom]

They're all overbuilt

[dull flint]

A gaming trio is just as good

[grizzled bloom]

Even the Dell 4090 cools just fine

[dull flint]

Yes, when you pay up, you'd be paying for features that only really show up when you tear the thing apart and run it in subzero conditions

[pulsar vapor]

I understand what you mean now. Sorry I'm slow 🐌

[dull flint]

It's all good

Mate, I get these questions all the time

Marketing is made to make everyone* think like this

[grizzled bloom]

"Bigger number better"
"More expensive, must be better"

[pulsar vapor]

That's why I chose to diy

Too much upselling in electronics dept

[dull flint]

My best advice would be simply, pick a good power supply everyone recommends

750-1000W should work for your spec, ideally 850W from a good brand/model

Sorry I was brain dead for a moment, not all psus from a single brand are good. They all have great ones and explosive ones

[grizzled bloom]

This has saved lives https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

B tier or better is good enough for your system

[dull flint]

Nothing is better invested in a pc than the one device that supplies power and protects from it

[grizzled bloom]

The whole RM series is A tier, good unit

[pulsar vapor]

Amazing price for A tier

[olive totem]

except mine makes annoying noise under load

[pulsar vapor]

Can weak PSU kill any other part?

[grizzled bloom]

The RMe is consistently a good price south of the border here

[grizzled bloom]

Yes

When power supplies fail they can fail dramatically

[pulsar vapor]

Hmm

[dull flint]

Yes, but RMe is pretty hard to do that with

[grizzled bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/gigabyte-psu-explodes-gamers-nexus-power-supply-gif-23202345

[dull flint]

Trust me, I've tried it with RM

They're good units

[grizzled bloom]

Oh yeah no that's what the tier list is for

The higher tier, the better the protections

[pulsar vapor]

Great

[dull flint]

139 CAD is just over or near 100usd too, which is a good price really

[grizzled bloom]

You can power a 7800X3D with a 4090 on the RM750

[pulsar vapor]

Ok personally I got no concerns about psu killing anything. It's just local salesman who said 850 isn't going to be enough

[grizzled bloom]

Yep they're trying to upsell you again

[dull flint]

I've run 1000W on much, much worse

For a long time at that

[grizzled bloom]

Most A tier units especially can handle running far above their rated spec for a fairly long time

[dull flint]

4090 is a typical like, 410W even when it's dialed up, and the 7800X3d is a some, 50-60W nominal cpu

[pulsar vapor]

I even had to request price for 2 different systems. 1 - pc by Bacca, 2 - whatever they think I need

Because it's easier to just ok everything

[grizzled bloom]

Bacca has the list making down to a science, I stopped double checking them ages ago because they were always perfect lol

Min/Maxed to perfection

[pulsar vapor]

I'm impressed

[grizzled bloom]

Even the spikes are much contained this gen. Maybe a peak of 500W for 5ms. Compared to 30 series where you had the 3080 spiking to near double the nominal draw and tripping power supplies that had well above the needed capacity. Luckily that's been patched too.

[pulsar vapor]

Choosing mobo...

[grizzled bloom]

And I'll now observe a moment of silence for all the burned 3080 TIs that New World killed in combination with those spikes

[pulsar vapor]

Good price, no wifi?

[grizzled bloom]

Meh, I'd at least get something with a heatsink on the VRM. Doesn't need to be big.

[pulsar vapor]

Also how do you think 4090 prices will look like in the next 1-3 months? Should I hurry any but it first?

[dull flint]

It'd work but I agree with Fal, aim a little higher

[grizzled bloom]

Canada's prices should be much more stable than US for the 4090 so I don't see a need to rush

[dull flint]

Probably worse, probably better, no clue

[pulsar vapor]

😂👌

[dull flint]

We aren't psychic lol

It is november though, biggest sales month of the year

[pulsar vapor]

Well, definitely more experienced in all things tech

[dull flint]

That's all I'll say

[grizzled bloom]

US prices are wack right now, cheapest 4090 is officially $2000 USD and we won't see a light at the end of that tunnel until maybe March-April

[dull flint]

Yeah not until the export ban is in full swing

[pulsar vapor]

Interesting. I'm too high time preference, can't wait so long

[grizzled bloom]

That's 3140 for my aussie friends and 2762 for the canadians

[dull flint]

Jeez

[grizzled bloom]

So it might actually be cheaper to import a 4090 from canada right now
What a reversal

[pulsar vapor]

Back off shush lmao

[dull flint]

Lol

[pulsar vapor]

Cheapest b650m wifi

[grizzled bloom]

Not worth

[pulsar vapor]

Hmm. What's good?

I mean. I'll try to find it cheaper

179 by asus?

Or should I look for full size mobo?

[grizzled bloom]

Maybe more like https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/fMcgXL/gigabyte-a620m-gaming-x-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-a620m-gaming-x

Ooh there's this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Dq4Zxr/asrock-b650m-hdvm2-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-hdvm2

I consider 2 memory slots a plus if anything, DDR5 is unstable with 4 sticks anyway

There's an actually nice set of features on that board, 2.5Gb LAN, flashback, 2 M.2 slots

And a M.2 wifi slot so you can add one in easily

[pulsar vapor]

Ok, is ethernet faster than wifi6? Because I might just look for no wifi mobo and potentially save more

[grizzled bloom]

Ethernet is ALWAYS faster than wifi, and more reliable

[pulsar vapor]

Sweet

[grizzled bloom]

Man it even has the header for front USB C, not something I expect at that price

Even at the 163 cad before rebate this is a nice looking board, but 133 after rebate?

[pulsar vapor]

What cat cable should I get later? I see there is 8 and 7

[grizzled bloom]

cat6e

cat 7 is for 10Gbps networks which you likely don't have

[pulsar vapor]

Ok. Was checking, it's 10$

[grizzled bloom]

And the cables suck to work with

[pulsar vapor]

Why?

[grizzled bloom]

They're super rigid because of the extra shielding

They don't like to bend at all

[pulsar vapor]

I'll drag it under the wall heater. Hopefully it's safe