all the way down you find graphics settings
#graphics-cards
plain gate
then you set the app you want to high performance
you can dial back the power settings
desert mural
plain gate
xD yw and sorry
fluid star
vital gale
@sage oak may I get an invite to that notification server por favor senor
sage oak
no problem
lone pond
Can someone link me a cheap 2060 or 2060S EU or UK website?
sage oak
Can someone link me a cheap 2060 or 2060S EU or UK website?
for the price of a 2060 super you might be able to get a 2070
sage oak
no problem
spice prawn
a 2060 Super is basically a 2070 @sage oak
following is from the launch of the 2070s/2060s
sage oak
Most of the 2060 supers are over 450 thats why
spice prawn
thats vendors being silly :)
lone pond
I need a 2060S or 2070
spice prawn
the channel is fairly dry, because nvidia hasnt released the next card yet
sage oak
@lone pond
sage oak
if you were down for it @lone pond , you could find a great condition used 2070 super or even 2080 for around the same price on ebay
lone pond
my ebay acc is suspended
sage oak
oh
lone pond
idk why
sage oak
you can still look tho right?
lone pond
no
and I cant buy anything
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ncmwYg this is my budget list
sage oak
its about 170 more than urs at the moment
and its buy now so you dont have to worry about bids
sage oak
just make a new one
lone pond
yes but I keep getting suspended
oak sky
Its ur IP?
sage oak
haha true
lone pond
stop breaking rules then
bruh i didnt break any rules g
oak sky
Make a new account from ur friends house.
spice prawn
that is between you and the site you keep getting suspended from @lone pond
sage oak
yes true it might be your address
lone pond
idk
oak sky
could be a myriad. How much do u trust ur friend not to gank your new card? 👺
oak sky
They have evga 3090s you can queue order on evga website but looks like evga cooler cant handle the raw power of the 3090 like FE can. Cheapest 3090 FE rn is $2000 including tax. I am not doing that!
lone pond
I am getting annoyed
everything I see is out of stock
I prob gotta wait for new GPUs to come out
spice prawn
have patience, read a book, watch a movie or 10 :)
ripe ivy
Seems like it's just flat out not worth getting the behemoth of a power sucking graphics card that is the 3090 
oak sky
im thinking 3080 ti when it comes out. Want more than 10gb Vram.
lone pond
could someone make me a 1k pc part list
sage oak
i couldnt wait that long and got a 2080 ti for 490
oak sky
@sage oak seems legit, yknow. Was it used?
sage oak
nah
oak sky
Oh
lone pond
could someone make me a 1k pc part list
sage oak
guy bought it not knowing new cards were coming out
lone pond
please
oak sky
That beats the 3070 right.
sage oak
it wa for his son so he didnt know how much to resell so he put it up for 525
lone pond
could someone make me a 1k pc part list please please
sage oak
brand new only box was opened
lone pond
oak sky
@lone pond Linus tech tips makes such videos.
sage oak
just use one of pc part pickers defaults and edit it
lone pond
what
oak sky
@sage oak Lucky
lone pond
sage oak
yep, if i hadnt have seen it i could've spent easily 750
sage oak
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hnQmCz
my man, you'l be lucky to get one of the things you want from the cpu and gpu
you might be waiting months or more
lone pond
FFS
oak sky
He said swap out those parts.
lone pond
ok
sage oak
basically yeah haha
lone pond
I am having anxiety attacks rn
ima go work on a pc part list later
this is so stressful
sage oak
just use a prebuilt list and edit it to ur budget
oak sky
consoomer anxiety. Dont worry. In 6 months we can get, probably
@lone pond i have a older radeon gpu rn which is just barely enough to run Zoom meets, steam wallpaper engine, piano midi visuals rendering, xsplit streaming software, and youtube, simultaneously. it renders 4k video maybe at a 1:3 time ratio. It's literally just enough to meet my needs. Do you currently have an older card rn, or completely lack?
muted isle
im thinking 3080 ti when it comes out. Want more than 10gb Vram.
you dont need more than 10gb vram dude, but the 3080 ti will be better than the 3080 since they'll increase cores
the RX6800XT vs 3080 benchmarks just proved that for 4K
sage oak
only need 10gb if you want to play at 4k
oak sky
@muted isle i thought maybe i could use the extra vidya memory for editing longer videos in 4k. WYT?
muted isle
The 3080 wins in the majority of the scenarios even in 4k against 6800XT without the extra 6gb
sage oak
<@231879610067845122> i thought maybe i could use the extra vidya memory for edi...
you would benefit from that
but if you wait you can get even more
oak sky
Yeah. U think ti will have both more cores and more vram? i heard priced at 1000 usd.
ripe ivy
It's allegedly a 3090 die, if it's cut down slightly I suppose that's possible
sage oak
they wont add more than 6gb more vram
muted isle
the 3090 is dead since the 3080 ti will be perhaps 5% slower
sage oak
if the rumours of the 3060 ti are true, that will provably have 10gb
even though the 3070 has 8gb
muted isle
the 3090 gets the 24gb gddr6x for 8k still tho
sage oak
which they shouldve improved imo
muted isle
but who has that much money to play at 8k
sage oak
true
oak sky
The 3080 ti partner cards could handle quiet cooling ythink? cause AIBs air cooling solution on 3090 look to leave a lot to be desired, or hit or miss
ripe ivy
Vram count is tied to memory bus, you'll only see 12gb on a 192-bit or 384-bit bus
sage oak
hahaha imagine
sage oak
The 3080 ti partner cards could handle quiet cooling ythink? cause AIBs air cool...
i think so, depends on the amount of fans and the price point
ripe ivy
If the 3080Ti keeps the 320-bit bus consistent like with the 3080, then it's gonna have 20gb
That's how it is, it won't have anymore bandwidth though
sage oak
i feel that the 3070 should have had 10gb minimum vram
oak sky
I have 3900x cpu. What card to pair with it without bottleneck?
muted isle
the RTX 3080 ti was rumored to have 20gb GDDR6x
sage oak
I have 3900x cpu. What card to pair with it without bottleneck?
any really
ripe ivy
Don't worry about bottlenecking, get the best card you can afford
sage oak
maybe 3090 would be restricted a little
oak sky
Cool dudes. Thx for knowledge!
muted isle
I have 3900x cpu. What card to pair with it without bottleneck?
it's one of the best CPU's out there, dont worry
spice prawn
@spare relic hmm?
spare relic
it's a simple photoshop of a 3070, I think it's meant to accompany an article about the 3060 being an ITX card
spice prawn
ahh
ripe ivy
Generally people have a black and white view of Bottlenecks, but the reality is that a bottleneck is inevitable. The ideal situation you want is the graphics card being the bottleneck; and in most cases as long as you're above 1080p that's generally the case. Really with most properly optimized games that's the case.
spare relic
but it embodies more a 50 rather than a 60 in my eyes xd
ripe ivy
Like at this point a CPU bottleneck will only be substantial if you're pairing a brand new card with a pretty old CPU
oak sky
the 3090 is dead since the 3080 ti will be perhaps 5% slower
Guess this is why they named 3080 series as "flagship". Just waiting for ti.
sage oak
the 3090 is dead since the 3080 ti will be perhaps 5% slower
they did say the 3090 was this gens titan
muted isle
well that can be done
they just need to update the drivers
so we can use the titan drivers on them
ripe ivy
Not a titan until it has those drivers
sage oak
tbh, the memory on these cards was dissapointing
valid sundial
Saw on r/pcmasterrace yesterday someone picked up a 3060ti
sage oak
they shouldve given the 3070 10gb, the 3080 16gb and left the titan with 24gb
ripe ivy
Uh yeah that's not really how that works though
sage oak
Saw on r/pcmasterrace yesterday someone picked up a 3060ti
they have been on sale in china apparently
sage oak
Uh yeah that's not really how that works though
i know lol, but if it could thats how i would have done it
ripe ivy
Though tbh, them using GDDR6X was completely unnecessary I think
muted isle
But the 10gb of GDDR6X is enough for 4k in the RTX 3080
The RTX 3070 is the only one in the shorter end
oak sky
im confused about radeon SAM (smart access memory) requiring zen 3 to utilize. Somebody said the tech isnt really new or proprietary for team red. Nvidia purportedly working on its optimizations. will nvidia implementation be a software upgrade, and would it work with my zen 2 architecture? Even if not, Radeon rdna 2 is still a poor man's card against nvidia. Not tryna be fanboyish, i never owned nvidia, and am new to pc building. Features just seem superior in team green.
spice prawn
@valid sundial you mean someone used the east european retailer photo to claim they got one?
sage oak
whats the difference with gddr6x
ripe ivy
They could have put the 3080 on a 384-bit bus and gave it 12gb of GDDR6
muted isle
since it doesn't have the new memory GDDR6X
spice prawn
@sage oak its BAR
sage oak
what does that mean
muted isle
whats the difference with gddr6x
It can be up to twice as fast as GDDR6
sage oak
It can be up to twice as fast as GDDR6
oh ok
ripe ivy
That would be roughly the same, technically higher bandwidth than what they did give
Thanks to the wider memory bus really
muted isle
Yes and that increase the performance potential of the GDDR6X by a significant amount
valid sundial
<@!630814300147286017> you mean someone used the east european retailer photo to...
Idk just saw it on Reddit
It wasn’t the leaked gigabyte one tho
It. Was a totally different brand
sage oak
the 3060 ti would go for 400 i assume?
sage oak
ok
they have said there may be a 6gb version of the 3060
i think that its a bit useless
valid sundial
6gb is still useable
sage oak
yes but for this gen its kind of a let down
valid sundial
Yeah
spice prawn
@sage oak BAR or what the tech means?
sage oak
bar
valid sundial
I mean 2060 was 6gb
spice prawn
Base accesssible register or something like that iirc
valid sundial
It’s either gonna be 6 or 8
sage oak
I mean 2060 was 6gb
yes, but many people thought that an upgrade from pascal was useless to that, as its ray tracing wasnt exactly the greatest
among other factors of course
sage oak
Base accesssible register or something like that iirc
thanks
spice prawn
hmm, could also be Bus Accessible Register
spice prawn
considering its memory related tech we are talking about
valid sundial
You still get like 60fps with the 3090 in minecraft sonic ether shaders on
sage oak
but minecraft is very cpu intensive
valid sundial
30fps with max render distance and sonic ether shaders
valid sundial
but minecraft is very cpu intensive
Lmfao not really
You can run minecraft on pretty much everything
sage oak
on my friends pc he has a 3080 and a ryzen 5 but he only gets around 50 fps
ripe ivy
Java is bad with that yeah
valid sundial
on my friends pc he has a 3080 and a ryzen 5 but he only gets around 50 fps
Yeah he’s probably using shaders
sage oak
Minecraft is more CPU dependent because most GPUs have no problems running it, it's not very graphically demanding unless it's involving raytracing. The lower the load on the GPU, the higher the load on the CPU because the GPU is requesting more frames to be prepared by the CPU for it to render those frames.
oblique estuary
Minecraft is surprisingly demanding with mods
ripe ivy
Vanilla Java Minecraft with those specs would probably see 600 FPS or something insane 
sage oak
yes true
valid sundial
I have a friend with a prebuilt that has a 1650s and a i5 and gets like 300+FPS
Stock minecraft
oblique estuary
I only get 100 fps with my 1660 ti and Ryzen 7😂
sage oak
im not sure then he must be running loads of mods
spare relic
I get nearly 100 fps with this i5-2450M + HD 3000 with very low settings 👅
stone raft
Crypto mining for what
@spare relic Eth
spare relic
meth?
terse bloom
if you're talking about nowinstock, I'm already signed up.
sage oak
Oh ok haha, its a good server
remote cargo
asus dual 3070 o8g for 280$ good deal?
remote cargo
on newegg
srry
i meant 480
cuz its 530 and i have a 10% promo
im just waiting for it to even be in stock
timid willow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60De2fxBeuQ oh man this ones got a stripper pole too
"Colorful iGame GeForce RTX 3080 "
lone pond
BRUH
eager timber
watched
dreamy dragonBOT
Ojii#1707 has been warned
timid willow
pretty disappointed that he doesnt use the pole i wanted to see how ridiculous that 'stuff' looks
fluid star
"Oh look, another 30-series card we can’t buy."
red leaf
iam targeting 144hz 1080p gaming should i purchase a 5600xt or an rtx 2060 NON super
vocal plaza
I’d go for the 2060
It’s just the card I’ve used the most and have had the easiest time with
timid willow
tbh you should be able to hit that with an older card
if you look around for used cards you can often get some screaming deals
ripe ivy
Either is fine, go for the best deal you can find
timid willow
like i saw a 980 for a 90cad in a pawn shop a week or so after i bought my 1070ti for like 600 cad
vocal plaza
Yeah, I wish my area had that big a price jump
There still is one just not nearly that much
timid bolt
yo I just bought a 5700 xt, where do i find the coupon code for WOW shadowlands?
eternal locust
@timid bolt you'll get an email with a link from AMD
You have to register and prove you have the hardware
ripe ivy
If you got it off Newegg, then I think it's Newegg that send you that when you make the purchase right?
timid bolt
alright thanks
eternal locust
Might take 24 hours to get the link and code for unlocking but they shoot you an email
With a code to use on the amd site then you use some software to prove you have the hardware on the computer you're using
upper mural
My code for Far Cry 6 is showing as expired
spice prawn
talk with your retailer
eternal locust
If you don't redeem it within a given time it expires and you lose it
upper mural
ya it was literally 3 days after purchase
ripe ivy
Unlucky
eternal locust
It doesn't really matter if you just bought it if the date was close to the expiration date and it expires when it's supposed to then that's it
high granite
I am trying to decide if I should get a 2060 or a 5700 xt.
fervent obsidian
5700xt is a lot better for pure gaming perf
fringe horizon
Hello - someone can give me the equivalent or slightly better than this: Asus GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB DUAL MINI OC Video Card
its out of stock everywhere and I need something to finish out my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z99sYg
spice prawn
because not much else is around that price. IF you want to stick with nvidia that is
red leaf
is the 5600xt still having driver issues
dreamy dragonBOT
Big Dilf#7704 has been warned
eternal locust
Nah they fixed that crap*
hasty shore
did anyone get the ltt gpu
i got as far as checkout with it
the one they were giving away
ripe ivy
I remember ltt was giving away a pc with a 3080, and a 3090 on its own. Is that what you're referring to?
static rock
ripe ivy
Powercolor? What?
Powercolor only makes Radeon cards so
Ah it's Colorful
Well fair enough
livid heart
Tomorrow is cyber Monday right?
hasty shore
i think
livid heart
Should I wait to buy a new GPU or wait?
For like black friday
If therr is much difference
hasty shore
what do u have
ripe ivy
Cyber Monday is next week
At least I think so, I always remember it happening after Black Friday
hollow zephyr
Cyber Monday is next week @livid heart
tidal zenith
Hey guys I keep turning on my computer but it won’t load up on my monitor any ideas
hoary forge
Got my EVGA 3070 FTW3 Ultra backorder in today
I gave up on trying to wait for stock to be actually in
plain wagon
so did you have the card in-hand, or you waiting for card to arrive?
plain wagon
ouch
hoary forge
CAD*
plain wagon
but if they got your credit card info... then it should get to you (eventually).. better than the rest of us, still dreaming about a new card 😉
i'm hoping to score a 3090 turbo at some point
plain wagon
yeah, not holding my breath
2070 super i got a month ago seems to be ok for now... i was training a machine learning model and it crapped out (ran out of ram).. would be nice to have 24GB to work with instead
pseudo gale
Oh well that’s only at the low price of $1,500 USD
livid heart
I just want something better then a 1650
livid heart
Not much of a upgrade
livid heart
stiff delta
does the rtx part mean ray tracing in an nvidia gpu
hoary forge
I'm upgrading from a R9 290 to the 3070 pretty big difference for me lol
burnt parcel
does the rtx part mean ray tracing in an nvidia gpu
Pretty much
hazy glacier
Personally, I think of it more like the naming of their GPUs, like GTX and GT
naive temple
I really wonder how well a GTX 1080 will handle cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p
ripe ivy
I think you're underestimating the 1080
So those are the system requirements for the game
If I had to guess, a 1080 would be fine for 1440p High settings
hollow zephyr
ya the system requirements arent much
hoary forge
Dont worry guys the game wont come out until well after all the GPU shortages is over 😆
hollow zephyr
^
ripe ivy
They're building the game to work on Ps4 and Xbone
So the treatment of the game being like the next Crysis a bit overblown
It's really just the RT requirements that are steep
hollow zephyr
i wish it was tho
ripe ivy
Well that's going to Microsoft Flight Simulator
crude hornet
How do i send image?
ripe ivy
Either drag and drop it into discord, or copy the image and paste it in
crude hornet
Im using discord on a phone
And the option image that usually i send it through is greyed out?
warped osprey
r3 3100 or r5 2600 for rx 5600 xt?
hollow zephyr
3300x
warped osprey
best for gaming and performance
ripe ivy
Between those two I would get the 2600
hollow zephyr
^
warped osprey
whats the difference?
hollow zephyr
which ones lmao
ripe ivy
Sure it does when certain games are more reliant on a single thread
hollow zephyr
^
ripe ivy
But you're not gonna have that at all times
warped osprey
ah
warped osprey
ok
ripe ivy
Oh yeah actually that's something people don't even look at
wicked hound
I'd say basically same gaming perf
ripe ivy
The 1% lows
granite juniper
just get whichever is cheaper usually
ripe ivy
That can be more important than the averages at times
It could mean the difference between a smooth experience or a stuttering mess
warped osprey
1% lows?
ripe ivy
The absolute lowest framerate that you will see 1% of the time
warped osprey
which one handles 1% lows better?
ripe ivy
The 2600 since it has more threads to work with
wicked hound
percentiles graph, for understanding what it is
ripe ivy
And you can see for yourself, don't just take my word for it
warped osprey
aight
crude hornet
Why my graphics card score is lower than the review?
ripe ivy
Uh what?
ripe ivy
What are you comparing to, resolutions and overall specs?
ripe ivy
Do you have the same specs though?
wicked hound
cpu, ram, thermals, background processes - all can affect gpu score
crude hornet
Do cpu and ram affects the gpu score?
ripe ivy
I wouldn't be concerned with a 300 point difference in a synthetic benchmark either
wicked hound
slightly, yes
crude hornet
I thought that only affect the overall score
wicked hound
gpu test still slightly relies on the CPU/ram
not a lot
but enough to see gpu score change from cpu/ram things
crude hornet
I'm using 5600x
And the reviews using 10900k
So that's why there is a big disparity?
hollow zephyr
ya
wicked hound
probably not, disparity seems too large
hollow zephyr
you're gonna need to get 5000mhz ram 
wicked hound
I'd say background processes or different 3080 model
hollow zephyr
^
crude hornet
I got the pny 3080
wicked hound
and what 3080 are you comparing it against?
grim edge
Does any one now if you buy a 3080 on Amazon will you get call of duty
ripe ivy
It should mention it on the product page in the info if there's any such promotion
grim edge
On Nvidia it says that Amazon USA is a participating partner but does not say anything on the order
ripe ivy
You bought the card already?
crude hornet
and what 3080 are you comparing it against?
The founders edition one
wicked hound
cant compare two different models, they have different target temps, target freq, volt/freq graph, etc
grim edge
Ya I got it
ripe ivy
Well we don't know what PNY's factory settings are compared to the FE, it could be that the card just isn't boosting as high because it doesn't have as much of a thermal headroom
That might be all it is
The FE cooler is pretty solid, and not much will compare to it
grim edge
So nobody know about cold war
night vault
@grim edge
zenith lagoon
The default curve might make the card get to hot and then throttle down clock speeds.
night vault
when they come in stock it will tell you that it comes with a certain game
zenith lagoon
That may be ur issue.
And is your voltage locked at a certain point? If ur clock is staying really low this might be why.
I dont know know what PNY has their defaults set to, but you should check those settings out.
sinful crater
My 1050ti will smoke your 3080
warped osprey
i3 10100 vs ryzen 3 3100?
hollow zephyr
@warped osprey go to #cpus-mobo-and-memory chat pls
crude hornet
Send a picture of it please.
Its the only stock they have :(
zenith lagoon
That's not a bad card.
Trust
Nothing wrong with the card
Did u monitor temps
While running the benchmark
Do the fans ramp up?
To like 100%
When you benchmark?
crude hornet
Not yet
zenith lagoon
Installed
Ok
Well you can try and unlocking the voltage
Well ur card is obviously different from the founders edition
So its gonna have different settings, thats for sure.
But it's not a bad card.
crude hornet
But it's not a bad card.
Pinky promise?
zenith lagoon
Promise.
Its just
The voltagr
And target temps, frequently, etc are different.
There's nothing wrong with the card
crude hornet
Ah thank you
zenith lagoon
Np
crude hornet
That was a relief
zenith lagoon
😀
crude hornet
I thought i got a bad card because it was cheap
zenith lagoon
Nope
Its a fine card
Just a different company
How much did u get it for?
Used or new?
zenith lagoon
Nice
crude hornet
Too expensive?
fervent obsidian
could've been worse, but hey you got it
pseudo gale
True
crude hornet
What prices the 3080 over there?
signal rover
all sell it over 1k
light ivy
upper crown
nice!
upper crown
i agree: the 5600xt is kinda sex-c
hollow zephyr
core clock isnt everything lmao @warped osprey
teraflops, cuda cores
optimization etc.
lone pond
oh 6800xt where are you
fluid star
U guys liked friday discounts??
tranquil pelican
Hi guys
My friend has had a new pc with the ryzen 5 3600 and 3070 zotac
the thing is hes just getting 100-130 fps on lowest settings in warzone. is there aything wrong ?
tranquil pelican
if u can just mention me it'd be great
pure egret
@tranquil pelican check thermals
jovial goblet
@tranquil pelican did he update drivers?
tranquil pelican
I dont think he updated drivers
jovial goblet
tell him to update drivers, usually does the trick
tranquil pelican
and what do u mean by thermals @pure egret
jovial goblet
the temps of the cpu and gpu
jovial goblet
that shouldnt be the case with his gpu and cpu
pure egret
Temperature 🌡️
timid willow
why don't they just sell graphics cards at scalper prices on release to combat scalpers and then lower it shortly after
lone pond
I bought the RTX 3090 for 300$ from alibaba
I have my mouth open from the day it arrived
How the hell did they sell me legit rtx 3090 for 300$
founders edition
scarlet lance
shell mesa
why don't they just sell graphics cards at scalper prices on release to combat s...
they dont do that because normal people also want the card and when they drop the price scalpers will just buy them and sell them at an even increased price
lone pond
Rumors 3rd party ex 6800 cards could drop today? Or did they officially confirm them for Wednesday?
bold tulip
hey question for anyone that can help me. my system is a ryzen 5 3600 and a radeon 5700xt. im getting random green screen crashes that force my pc to restart. does anyone know how to fix this issue or do i need a new GPU?
jovial goblet
hey question for anyone that can help me. my system is a ryzen 5 3600 and a rade...
Have you updated your drivers?
lone pond
@lone pond is the card legit?
dense prairie
yeah the issue with that @jovial goblet is that there aren't any 30 series cards or even 20 series cards that are white that aren't overpriced
bold tulip
Have you updated your drivers?
yes drivers are all up to date. did a clean install of them after safe mode DDU and still get the green screen crashes. no idea why havent found anything that fixes it. card isnt overclocked and ive got a 750 watt gold rated PSU so i dont think its a power issue.
high granite
is the price of a 5700 xt worth getting instead of a 5600 xt?
bold tulip
@high granite tbh i dont think so. the 5600xt is literally a down clocked 5700xt from what ive found. only reason i went 5700xt was because i was able to get the model i wanted with the triple fans from PowerColor even though it barely fit into my case xD
also what card are you upgrading from?
high granite
i am building my first pc lol
i just know the 5700 xt is overpriced right now so i’m not sure if i should wait or get a 5600 xt because it’s like $100 cheaper
bold tulip
ah fair point. uhm yea just look at the performance comparison from trusted reviewers and make the choice based off of that. but between my system and my friends which is identical other than hes got the 5600xt its not a big different
i built both mine and his system and the only difference between the two are the cases, psu(same wattage different brand) and the gpus. his has a xfx thicc 5600xt and ive got a power color red devil 5700xt.
green harness
<@!776660604936912906> tbh i dont think so. the 5600xt is literally a down clock...
If you look at the card specs you will see they are physically different in several ways
bold tulip
the actual spec wise yes but in gaming there isnt a very big difference in performance to make for the 100 dollar difference in price
green harness
Best to accurately state that if it's what you think then
Taking a quick look at a review from GN it looks like the 5700xt was getting around 10-15% more fps with the 5700xt seeming to have better margins in 1440p. TBF that's just one review and a quick look. Also, whether that's worth the added cost is a legit question
ripe ivy
So it's simple, if you're sticking to 1080p the 5600XT will be the better value; the 5700XT does better at 1440p and it will for longer since it has a wider memory bus and more Vram.
hybrid pebble
how do you guys feel about the 5600xt thicc II?
or in general the most reliable gpu for 300 usd
ripe ivy
Should be good, they really only had problems with their 5700XT version of that model when initially released
hybrid pebble
i heard something about crashes?
ripe ivy
So there was issues with the 5600XT launch in general because of the last minute Bios change that affected the speed of the Vram, I don't know if that caused crashes but that certainly isn't a problem anymore
As far as the Thicc IIs legacy, it had thermal gripes with the 5700XT pretty much and I think weird bios bugs with it's fan curve or something like that
weary flax
ok so I don't really feel like waiting for a 3080. I'll just get one next year.
Should I just buy this as a placeholder? Currently I have a 1050Ti
https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-2060-zt-t20600k-10m/p/N82E16814500495?Description=ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 2060 6GB GDDR6 192-bit Gaming Graphics Card&cm_re=ZOTAC_GAMING GeForce RTX 2060 6GB GDDR6 192-bit Gaming Graphics Card-_-14-500-495-_-Product&quicklink=true
hybrid pebble
So there was issues with the 5600XT launch in general because of the last minute...
oh i see thank you, do you think there is any better gpu for that price or should i just stick with it?
ripe ivy
The only other card in the same price point is the 2060, which someone just posted a link to one there actually. They're identical in performance, the differences come down to Raytracing support for the 2060 and they have different software support in general
The raytracing is honestly nothing special for the 2060 though, it's really only worth it in the high end at the moment
night vault
^
ripe ivy
There's more in depth differences like Cuda support for Nvidia, there's a lot of programs that utilize Cuda for the best performance, that doesn't really apply to games
Nvidia's video encoder is pretty useful for streaming apparently 
ripe ivy
Right, Cuda. I have a buddy that pretty much got a 2060 Super cause Cuda and Blender
hybrid pebble
I dont understand this deep level stuff but in simple terms which one is more reliable for like 144 fps preferrable gaming on apex legends/valorant
ripe ivy
I would guess they will be about the same for those games, just look for whatever is cheapest at that point
Within reason of course, don't want to get a thermally deficient card
hybrid pebble
there are so many versions of both 😫 how to find
i'm sorry i am such a noob at this
ripe ivy
It's not a big deal, just consider the prices of the cards and any special offers that come along with them
hybrid pebble
oh in general the 5600 is like 100 usd less than the 2060
i think
u say they preform about the same?
ripe ivy
Well the 2060 is more popular so if you're seeing $400 ones it's either the 2060 Super or it's an inflated price from a third party seller
ripe ivy
That Zotac one linked earlier is the only one that's at a reasonable price
Everything else is out of stock or from a third party seller
cerulean swallow
hey what do guys think of the Gigabyte Radeon RX 580 8 GB GAMING 8G Video Card im on a budget of about $200
ripe ivy
Look at the 5500XT instead, it's a newer architecture, roughly the same performance and uses less power. Around the same price too
cerulean swallow
by radeon?
ripe ivy
That's right
ripe ivy
Oh that's the 4gb model, I would say avoid those
cerulean swallow
ok so 8gb?
ripe ivy
That linked to a blank list
cerulean swallow
rly?
ripe ivy
You need to get the link that's here just above the list itself
cerulean swallow
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VMHyK3 lol yeah
I also already have a 500gb hardrive i own @ripe ivy
ripe ivy
You're gonna have to consider a different motherboard and possibly cpu as well, cause the 3300X might as well not even exist with how seldom in stock it is
Though this isn't for the channel should go to #building-and-recc-chat
cerulean swallow
whoops ok
ripe ivy
Probably, but for the $369 price I'm seeing on newegg from a third party seller it is absolutely not worth that
lone pond
yeah i need a gpu but cant find any reasonably priced ones😔
fervent fjord
ripe ivy
Nice it was in stock earlier
fervent fjord
don’t know if i should just go with a 1660 super though, save some money, and then wait for the possible rtx 3060/3060 ti
yeah it was but i hadn’t made up my mind by then and i’m starting to regret it a bit lol
ripe ivy
Everyone's having that same idea right now, so it looks like all of the graphics cards 300 or less are selling out
So you can secure something now or wait even longer
fervent fjord
yeah lol. is it a smart decision though? or should i just get the card i linked if it goes back in stock?
ripe ivy
Thing is I have no idea when it will come back in stock, could be next week or next month
If you can get something now, maybe do that or just wait till next quarter. It looks like stock is gonna be thin in the holiday season overall
fervent fjord
yeah, i think i’ll get it if it somehow goes back in stock before the sale ends, if not then i guess the 1660s is it (if i can get one lmao)
ripe ivy
5600XTs are still available last I checked
fervent fjord
how are the drivers rn?
haven’t heard good things about amd drivers, don’t know if any of the issues have been resolved with them
ripe ivy
Well that's how it is, yeah the drivers have been fine for a while now.
Honestly the bulk of the issues were hardware on the 5700 launch, or atleast from what I understand of it
fervent fjord
i’ll probably look into it, if they seem stable then i might as well go with that since performance is good compared to the gpus i’m looking into
eternal locust
Pretty sure all of that has been resolved
Some people talk about tweaking voltage in some cases
shut jasper
i was told to upgrade from an rx580 to a 1650 ti i believe does that sound right i just need a refresh
ripe ivy
1650 Ti only exists for laptops, an equivalent would be the 1650 Super on desktop I guess? And that's not an upgrade, it would be a side grade as they're about the same performance
shut jasper
ahhhh i see now ok yeah my mistake with the ti
rich oasis
@ripe ivy the 1650s is better than the 4gb 580 in most cases
ripe ivy
I don't doubt that, but if you already have a 580 getting a 1650 Super in place of it is sort of a pointless thing to do no? I understand if you're picking between two cards for a new build, and tbh the 580 is really old as it is so it probably shouldn't be considered outside of used options
oblique estuary
Did newegg raise the price for the RX6800s?
I don't remember seeing a $829 rx6800 in my wishlist
In fact I thought it used to be $789???
ripe ivy
When it sells out from Newegg, it defaults to a third party seller
viral elbow
took me forever to just get the 5700xt, hopefully the parts all work together
oblique estuary
Congratz and good luck
viral elbow
thanks a lot mocco
lone pond
anyone know when ups picks up from newegg
viral elbow
ups usually picks up business days if i remember correctly(from my job experience), but newegg is pretty quick for shipping from my experience
weary flax
just bought a 5600xt
its a stand in because no one can get a 3080 these days
300 dollars for twice the performance I have right now. I'd say that's worth it.
spiral drum
any alternatives for a rtx 2070 super? the msi 2070 is sold out everywhere
ripe ivy
The only thing that would be remotely close is the 5700XT
And I think everyone is pretty much buying out GPUs
viral elbow
yea, this year has been terrible for pc building compare to last year
spiral drum
im probably just gonna wait it out then
viral elbow
but you wouldn't know how long the wait will be though
spiral drum
true 😞
viral elbow
of all we know there might be a war outbreak and then boom, no supply anywhere, manufacturers hop on supplying for war effort 
ripe ivy
I mean personally I'm good with my 580, I just ordered a new high refresh monitor which will work fine in general. I'll see about an upgrade in the next quarter though
viral elbow
580 is still solid gpu for 1080p
weary flax
@spiral drum what I did was just buy a standin. I got a 5600xt for the time being until the 3080 comes in stock
ripe ivy
Yeah it's why I got it, $170 brand new last year
viral elbow
that's decent price for 580
spiral drum
yeah I might just do that, all im missing is just the gpu so why not
viral elbow
i got a 570 for about 150 earlier this year
ripe ivy
Hopefully things are looking up for pc prices next year
viral elbow
yea, the past couple of years since the mining era has been bad except for 2019
hopefully next year will be better
plain wagon
anyone know where to get an MSRP for Gigabyte 3090 Turbo card? I dont see anything listed officially... its listed at $2400 at memoryc.com (in stock) and $1875 at CDW backordered. I thought it would be less expensive (MSRP-wise).. is the $1875 a fair price? seems high
green harness
3090 msrp is 1500usd, given that's a blower style card I'd be surprised if it's msrp was much above that fwiw
paper depot
wow i really just got a 3070
ripe ivy
Nice
warped osprey
whats the best rx 5600 xt i can buy?
ripe ivy
Probably the Sapphire Nitro+, I mean that's just blanket any AMD card tbh
That's always one of the best ones
The Pulse from Sapphire is a solid cheaper option, but those are all gone I know that for sure
I actually can't find a Nitro 5600 they might have discontinued it
paper depot
thx guys 
bold tulip
@warped osprey look and see if power color has a red devil or red dragon anywhere. when it comes to AMD cards i stick by power color. my red devil 580 is still kicking and rocking it hard today in a friends pc. he needed an upgrade over his nvidia 960 xD
sterile dawn
Is it still worth getting an rx 5700xt now? How long would it last for someone who enjoys playing the latest titles?
bold tulip
im using a 5700xt and the only issue i have is random green screen crashes but im thinking its my card itself that has an issue but i think ive fixed it
but im playing all my games in 4k 60 fps so
ripe ivy
It's most comparable to a 1080Ti in terms of gaming performance, though I think I've seen it overtaking it on benchmark charts lately
sterile dawn
I see
ripe ivy
It's safe to say it will age nicely alongside it's successors
sterile dawn
@bold tulip which version of it do you use?
abstract seal
@paper depot how much did it run ya? and where'd you manage to get it from?
bold tulip
ive got the red devil 5700xt 3 fan big boy card
sterile dawn
I see. Thanks!
bold tulip
not yet. but im assuming its just going to be a reference cooler with different stickers on the fans
ripe ivy
No no, the Red Devil not the reference cooler
bold tulip
i mean the reference looks pretty damn good imo
ripe ivy
bold tulip
hahaha its not gunna fit in my case... RIP me
ripe ivy
bold tulip
my 5700xt barely fits xD
ripe ivy
Yeah it's pretty big
bold tulip
actually wait its almost the same size as mine looking at it
ripe ivy
LMS
bold tulip
now the question is... 2 8 pin pcie power or 3?
ripe ivy
It's 2
paper depot
<@!296464578231926794> how much did it run ya? and where'd you manage to get it ...
was in a combo on newegg, the card alone was 550
bold tulip
imma still need a bigger psu i think lol
bold tulip
ive got a 750 but i like having more than needed
ripe ivy
Sure, efficiency curve and all that I guess
bold tulip
esspecially cause i like trying to overclock so more is always better
bold tulip
depending on everything you have in your case. fans and all
ripe ivy
I can't find the dimensions for the new red devil
bold tulip
if its just cpu mobo ram ssd on an open air bench yea im sure a 650 would be enough
but ive got 6 fans 2 spinning drives 1 ssd fan controller and other crap 650 would be close i think
ripe ivy
They'll be gone in 2 minutes
chilly bison
really?
ripe ivy
I don't know but it sounds right to me
ripe ivy
The ones I'm seeing here are priced like 3090s though
ripe ivy
Yeah that's not being sold by Amazon
ripe ivy
They're bundling it, and processing it through Amazon
chilly bison
yes
ripe ivy
But if you see there it ships from "uShopMall Fast Shipping"
ripe ivy
Hardly counts as in stock if it's just some third party seller most likely flipping for a profit, a 200% profit at that
dreamy dragonBOT
msmash190#6808 has been warned
chilly bison
i didnt say anythign what
ripe ivy
Sure, everyone does it seems. It's why everything is going out of stock
chilly bison
anyways
i have a 1060 and i cant even stream liek apex
my cpu is constrantly at 100%
twilit mulch
LOL
chilly bison
no
1060 6gb
also this running val for creying out loud
not even a demanding game smh
twilit mulch
what cpu?
ripe ivy
Yeah those esports games are typically CPU bound in most cases
chilly bison
i5 8600k
chilly bison
yea streaming is very tough
ripe ivy
Well oh while streaming?
chilly bison
like phasmaphobia broke my pc one time lol
ripe ivy
Yeah that's not gonna work out unfortunately
chilly bison
whats not gonna work out
ripe ivy
You need more threads
ripe ivy
For streaming
ripe ivy
Otherwise the 1060 is still fine for 1080p gaming for the most part
chilly bison
yea
ripe ivy
I don't know when you got your pc, but 6 threads was a bad call
chilly bison
but i want a better one so maybe i can actually stream apex or warzone
twilit mulch
any idea when the third party 6800xt is coming in stores
ripe ivy
AIB 6800 cards are coming out on the 25th
chilly bison
i started streaming like a month and a half ago
ripe ivy
Look out for Sapphire, Powercolor and XFX
They're gonna have the most
I'm pretty sure Asus, MSI and the like won't have any until next month
twilit mulch
dang
ripe ivy
Sapphire and Powercolor are the best choice for Radeon though so
I wouldn't even consider Asus for a Radeon card, all they do is botch the cards
twilit mulch
which rtx 3080 card should i get for good overclock
chilly bison
oh damn i forgot u could even overclock gpus
also how do i overclock my cpu thats not the damn AI overclocking that my mobo has
ember quail
What’s the best gpu for 600 cad??
hoary forge
2060 super is the most you will get for that price range at this time @ember quail but if you wait it out there is rumors that Nvidia will have a new 3060 option for around that price range
lone pond
Can someone send me a link to a cheap 2070 or 2070S UK or EU link please 🙏
ember quail
Aight thanks
pseudo gale
Honestly i wouldn’t be buying a graphics card right now prices are all jacked up on last gen and latest gen cards. I’d just wait out the storm
lone pond
I might as well get a 2060S it would serve me well tbh
little crow
will a 1660 hold up on apex?
daring tusk
yeah
pseudo gale
What settings and what monitor
steel smelt
I'm looking at used graphics cards. It's tempting to grab one but I've always bought new and dont want to run the risk of getting something that has been burnt out or OC'ed for the past year or two. Any advise on buying used?
little crow
60hz
monitor
maybe medium
I will upgrade to 144hz ik
but for now
what can I get
@pseudo gale
little crow
yes
pseudo gale
Yea the anything above the 1650 should get you solid performance
little crow
ok thanks
low sequoia
What are some good 1660 super cards
little crow
There is prob a chart I can look at also
hardy wind
low sequoia
Ok
little crow
idk about this chart, what do you think @pseudo gale
but im not gonna get that much fps
just seeing what I can get when I upgrade to 144
pseudo gale
Well a 2060 super would get you at 144
However
I would get a weaker card like a 1660 so you can have good performance now and when you get your nee monitor upgrade your card and sell the 1660
Because lower end 30 series cards will come out for a lot better preformance to price
pseudo gale
mhm
hybrid pebble
how do u guys feel about the rx 5600 xt Thicc ii pro?
hybrid pebble
is god fall good?
i am just looking for a really good gaming pc build for 1000 bucks
something that can run apex and like val on high settings 144 fps+
ripe ivy
It will do that easily
lone pond
5600xt is phenomenal
ripe ivy
We talked about this yesterday didn't we?
hybrid pebble
i just wanted to recheck cuz i saw it listed as the worst 5600xt there
lone pond
I think it has heat issues
hybrid pebble
sapphire pulse better right?
ripe ivy
Um I only heard of the 5700 Thiccs having thermal problems
I would hope XFX would fix these issues for later releases
hybrid pebble
so for that money the sapphire 5600xt is the best right?
lone pond
Demoncolor or whatever it is makes one too
lone pond
Oh yeah thats what im thinking of lol
I had the budget for a 5700xt but I heard there was a lot of driver issues still
Was gonna snag the Nitro+ while on sale
ripe ivy
It's the same drivers if your 5600XT is stable than the 5700XT would be to
lone pond
But im gonna wait and see if the 3060ti is decent or if AMD makes a successor to the 5600xt and buy that cause I only have a 1080p 144hz monitor
True true
No problems with the 5600xt so far. Stays cool and works hard
ripe ivy
Honestly I would probably pick up one of those Phantom Gaming cards from Asrock, or at least consider it
hybrid pebble
No problems with the 5600xt so far. Stays cool and works hard
which one do u have?
lone pond
Sapphire Pulse
lone pond
Nah just the regular one
Depends on the game. Dayz on high I get 144 in wilderness and like 110 in cities
CSGO I get like 390
hybrid pebble
😳
okay okay i think i might go sapphire 5600 xt
i heard everything is pricy rn but will go down after christmas?
hybrid pebble
do u feel like its worth tho?
lone pond
buy a 5700 xt for 350
hybrid pebble
i get anxiety looking at these types of things since i dont even know what they do/mean
lone pond
if you're already at 300$ range
hybrid pebble
im trying to go lower but if a 5700 xt is really worth
lone pond
5700xt is a solid card
I only didnt buy it cause people were compaining of drivers but idk if thats true or not
Its overkill for 1080p tho IMO
If you are waiting till after Christmas anyways see what AMD brings in January
paper depot
Overkill is better than underkill
subtle cradle
anyone play borderlands 3 on a 2080Ti? what sort of framerates can I expect? I don't know if these benchmarks that I am seeing are up-to-date
oh, at 1440p
lone pond
I only didnt buy it cause people were compaining of drivers but idk if thats tru...
been long fixed for a bout 6-8 months now
Damn thats pretty bad actually
lone pond
anyone play borderlands 3 on a 2080Ti? what sort of framerates can I expect? I d...
just look at 3070 benchmarks
Same exact card without RTX
Considering it came out last summer
wait no
im dumb
its been fixed since june last year
Ah ok that makes more sense lol
i keep forgetting its not january
undone wolf
I'm just waiting for a 3060 or a 3060ti before I build, but that might be a while... And then there's going to be no stock 😂
hoary badge
am i the only one waiting till the 3080 got restock ?
wicked blaze
I'm waiting for the 2060 to restock for a decent price
hoary badge
I have an 1070 but waiting for the 3080 Strix, i cant wait anymore 😖
subtle cradle
5700/xt are in stock around me
hoary badge
6800xt better
wicked blaze
like the 6800xt is better?
subtle cradle
much
hoary badge
Yep
subtle cradle
...because it's a newer generation
wicked blaze
sorry I'm building my first pc soon so I don't know a ton
hoary badge
It is comparable to an 3080 but with a fake rtx
wicked blaze
ah
subtle cradle
not fake rtx, really
wicked blaze
what's the price range on it?
hoary badge
yee
subtle cradle
and non-XT is like $450
wicked blaze
is too high for me
subtle cradle
6800 is $50 more than its competitor, 3070, and 6800XT is $50 less than its competitor, 3080
wicked blaze
My budget for my graphics card is around $350
subtle cradle
but if you don't care about realtime raytracing maybe look at the 5700 (non xt)
wicked blaze
Yeah I don't really care about raytracing, just performance
hybrid pebble
My budget for my graphics card is around $350
yooo same
subtle cradle
here
oh, whups
radeon rx 5700 (non xt) is comparable to 2060 (non super) at a similar MSRP
actually, same MSRP
hoary badge
Frl i have a GTX1070 and it's a tuff boy for the price
hybrid pebble
tbh i just need something that is not "intel uhd 617"
subtle cradle
lol
wicked blaze
Thanks for the help it's much appreciated, I'll check out the 5700
ripe ivy
The 5700 is actually closer to the 2060 Super in terms of performance, and I'm pretty sure they stopped manufacturing it anyway. The 5600XT is basically in its place
hoary badge
😂
subtle cradle
oh, 5600XT ?
hoary badge
Yeah but 6gb
subtle cradle
2060 also has 6gb
ripe ivy
Okay, I mean it's fine for 1080p and it should be for a while.
subtle cradle
oh wow 5600XT is pretty fine
and MSRP is $279
but if you're getting a radeon 5x00 card, get a sapphire or a red devil one
viral elbow
I'm just waiting for RTX 4080 and RX7800xt to come out so I can get 3080 or 6800xt
subtle cradle
those are the best models afaik
hoary badge
I don't know why but i always look to Nvidia when i'm looking for a graphic card but know with the 6800xt i am confused
subtle cradle
nvidia has been in the lead at the high end
but mid-low end it's pretty competitive
but if you get a radeon rx5700, you can flash the XT bios on it for basically free performance
steel smelt
but if you're getting a radeon 5x00 card, get a sapphire or a red devil one
But You might be able to snag a MSI 5600 MX for $250, before mail-in rebate of $20, compared to the Sapphire for $280
is the Sapphire worth the extra?
subtle cradle
yeah, I am not too good with the specific models, the red dragon and sapphire pulse are just the ones that I heard recommendations for before :p
god damn why the hell is a 5600xt like $700 on amazon
i can't wait for gpus to go back to regular price 😂
hoary badge
2021🙏
subtle cradle
but sapphire pulse, I guess, is smaller than msi gaming x, but also has better memory clocks and bandwidth
god damn, if you can't find a graphics card for MSRP on an e-tailer, try checking with local hardware stores
ripe ivy
I would hope MSI fixed the memory spec post launch
Cause that was embarrassing on everyone's part
subtle cradle
the micro center by me had an evga 3090 and 3070 in stock for at least a couple hours
rather than sold out instantly
but it was in-store only
ugh, why are 1030s and rx 550s even manufactured?
pretty sure you're better off with integrated graphics 😂
ripe ivy
When they came out, integrated was pretty bad. They're only good now cause AMD put the effort into making it pretty good
Also finally gave Intel the push to improve on their graphics too finally
torpid thicket
Lets goo, just got a 3070 from newegg. Cant wait. Good luck to everyone
crimson dagger
So I got an amd 7 and the Radeon gpus are supposed to be optimized for amd cpus. Should I wait for the rx6800 or just grab a 3080 or just go for whichever one I can get first?
torpid thicket
@crimson dagger which ever one. Amd on amd has been proven to not do much
They both will be great
crimson dagger
Thanks
ripe ivy
So that comes from the Smart Access Memory that works with the CPU, Nvidia is allegedly gonna add something that's basically the same thing. It's actually more so to do with the PCIe spec than the cpu if anything apparently so
crimson dagger
AsRock is a good brand for 6800s?
cold spire
RTX 3070 on Amazon for$1100 if anyone needs one desperately
sacred crow
Lol feed the desperation
cold spire
Lol
lone pond
<@456226577798135808> is the card legit?
Yes
ripe ivy
I think Asrock has made strives since they started making graphics cards, they're pretty good now.