graphics-cards

[odd siren]

Most things won't work

The slots are basically ewaste outside of a sound card or wifi card

If it's an aesthetic choice that's fine, just throwing my two cents out there

Most people don't look and assume these boards have somewhat serviceable slots

When they're really cheap af in fact and mostly useless

[clever aspen]

why arent you considering the superior msi pro-s wifi

or whatever its name was

[solid glacier]

I was gonna get this one

Is the 5600? Good what’s that over locked to?

6?

[clever aspen]

but the msi pro-s wifi is alot cheaper

better deal

[odd siren]

It'd do 6 but I changed it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q4Y2pB

Something quite different again but still saving money

[odd siren]

That board is garbage

Throttles on 165W

[clever aspen]

you lose an m.2 but you get a better vrm and its 20$ cheaper

[odd siren]

Do you see the vrm there clearly overheating

[clever aspen]

bruh

[odd siren]

It's absolutely not better

[clever aspen]

sorry i got bad wifi

your messages didnt load in

yea the board sucks

[odd siren]

It's ok as long as we're on the same page

[clever aspen]

the vrm looked so nice

guess it sucks

[odd siren]

The heatsink is underwhelming for the spec

Sadly this is not a pg lightning in msi clothing

[clever aspen]

but the other board also throttles

so its just a bad vrm

[odd siren]

Yes the two mATX "Gaming" boards are absolute rubbish

Cheap vrm, 1 m.2

Never touch them

[clever aspen]

look at the prime

its a whole new level of bad

[odd siren]

If you want cheap cheap cheap end AM5, b650m/a620m pro rs, a620i lightning, b650m pg lightning

Those are really only good 4

[clever aspen]

i agree

[odd siren]

A620 boards are bios moddable now too for b650 oc so the "no oc" excuse won't carry these days

Same pcb, different chipset, but unlockable

[solid glacier]

So do I not get

The eagle b650 ax? Lol

[odd siren]

If you don't care for the aesthetic change then I wouldn't bother with extra slots no

But that's up to you

We're dealing in chump change changes on looks here so most of these choices are fine

I'm kinda digging the pop air list ngl

Dan a3 one is pretty modest too

More appealing than my usual hyper budget choices

[wide widget]

does this mean my gpu is dying?

before i did the benchmark i did undervolt my rx6700xt

my reason for the undervolt is my monitors randomly disconnect. somehow it kinda fixes my problems. also my game crashes.

[odd siren]

Try ddu with safe mode

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[odd siren]

Redo the benchmark stock

[wide widget]

i also did reinstall my drivers somehow the same result monitor kept on black screen

[odd siren]

Did you do it via ddu or acu

[wide widget]

both ddu with safemode and amd utility

I've done it yesterday

[odd siren]

Ok then undo the undervolt and redo the test

[wide widget]

okay but can it fix if i repaste my gpu?

[odd siren]

I can help with random monitor disconnects, space invaders I cannot

It won't be repaste

[wide widget]

what are the signs of a dying gpu?

i got a bit worried since I don't have money to buy another gpu for 1440p gaming.

[odd siren]

Space invaders

But I can't tell if it's legit space invaders if you're undervolting

[wide widget]

what are space invaders

[odd siren]

Blue boxes on screen

[wide widget]

ohhh

😦

if it did happen again does it mean my gpu is dying?

[odd siren]

Possibly

You'd need to try ddu again and rerun it with one screen only

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[wide widget]

my paste looks dry

[odd siren]

It wasn't the paste

But ok, you can try repasting it

You might luck out and the retensioning helps the vram if they are improperly pressured

[wide widget]

are my vrams good? or is there a way to tell that it's burnt

[odd siren]

No way to know

Not unless the card literally exploded in the last 24 hours

You have to follow through on repasting now that it's open

[wide widget]

this is actually my 1st time repasting it

[odd siren]

Well you need to cover the die completely

Pea dot won't work, nor line nor cross

It needs complete coverage to avoid genuine paste issues, it's not like a cpu

If a little bit is exposed then that little bit cooks and dies

[wide widget]

i wanted to remove a few dye on the sides but idk if its bad to touch

[odd siren]

Around the edges can be left alone

Those are smds and don't contribute to the heat much if at all

The shiny core is what needs to be clean then covered in paste

[wide widget]

this is the paste i only have

is it any good?

[odd siren]

It's actually pretty poor but it's better than nothing for now

You can buy a $6 tube of MX-6 if you don't want to open it up again

[wide widget]

i had an artctic 4

[odd siren]

Mx-4 is way better

[wide widget]

ohhh

[odd siren]

I hope you meant arctic mx-4 and not silver 4

Silver 4 is bleh

And conductive, not recommended for gpu

[wide widget]

dang i should've bought arctic

mx4

this one

[odd siren]

Yep

[wide widget]

i wasted 10 dollars for this gelid

[odd siren]

If you want to only do this once, yoy can order the new paste now and wait - I wouldn't consider GC 4 for this tbh

[wide widget]

i watched reviews on youtube saying they're good

[wide widget]

so meaning gc-4 is bad for gpu?

[odd siren]

Well it'll work

But it's not gonna be grand

[wide widget]

Oof

like it will dry easily?

[odd siren]

Blue line up top is gc-4

[wide widget]

wow

[odd siren]

Mx-4 will be a little better, mx-6 will hang with the rest

[wide widget]

i wasted money for this

[odd siren]

It's not that great

It'll work but

It's not great

Up to you

[wide widget]

D:

now im disappointed about my life choices lol

[odd siren]

You can still repaste for the test

But your choice if you'd leave it or redo it with better paste later

The paste won't affect the result

[wide widget]

okay

i will repaste momentarily

if the gpu is bad that's a huge problem

[odd siren]

Well the paste won't affect this result

Bad display cables, poor bga to vram chips, bad drivers

Those will be related to your problem

[wide widget]

my display cable came from my samsung Odyssey

from samsung and asus

they're both brand new too

[odd siren]

I've had brand new cables from all brands and plenty of duds and faulty ones involved

LG, samsung, gigabyte, dell, you name it

Brand doesn't matter

[wide widget]

alri im done repasting im going to put everything back in place

this good?

sorry if i ask too many questions

[odd siren]

The edges aren't fully covered

[wide widget]

okay

[odd siren]

Yes it needs to be flawless lol

I've had the smallest bits missed and still not covered after putting it back together

And remember to screw evenly

Little bits at a time on each screw

Not all on one screw then the next

You can crack the die doing that

[wide widget]

wait do i need to include these sides?

[odd siren]

No just the shiny silver square

[wide widget]

okay

like this?

[odd siren]

Beautiful

Pop it back together

[wide widget]

booting up my pc now

checking if it will still happen

there's no more blue boxes

i set my adrenaline to default tune

could it be it lacks voltage?

[odd siren]

Yes

[wide widget]

it finished my benchmark

[odd siren]

Bad undervolt can give space invaders

[wide widget]

i also removed these

[odd siren]

Hah

Yeah that'll do it

Those are literal fire hazards, don't use them

Very possible those were the source of the problems

[wide widget]

OMG YES

i found the issue!!!

it's melted!

[odd siren]

That was really lucky then

Yeah never use those

They will start a house fire

Doesn't matter the brand

[wide widget]

oh!!

so that's why it shuts off randomly

[odd siren]

Yeah that'll do it

Very dangerous things

If it's all better now then you found the problem on your own, nice job 👍

[wide widget]

i got it from here

[wide widget]

thanks to you! i have learned how to repaste and analyze things

thank you!

[odd siren]

I haven't met a single brand to date where those things haven't turned from a fire hazard to a fire happen

So yeah, those things are dodgy lol

[wide widget]

oh good dodge i guess

[odd siren]

I mean happy to help but we did the really roundabout way of finding this lol

[wide widget]

luckily my pcie isn't burned down

[odd siren]

Ya

If the card is ok you got off super lucky

[wide widget]

both psu and gpu

life saver!

also how do i darken my display

it's not that bright before

[odd siren]

Monitor menu or go to windows settings > display settings

[odd siren]

You can adjust brightness there

Ye in there you can have an option

Or the monitor itself if not hdr

[wide widget]

oh it's eye protection

turned on

[odd siren]

Ah

I didn't know the g5/g7 had that

All fixed

?

[wide widget]

yes

thank you! again

[odd siren]

No worries

[wide widget]

okay now i think my gpu is now running it's full potential

you see my psu was Corsair CX750

and im using only 1x 8pin+8pin Pcie

when it has 1x 8pin+8pin pcie and 1x 8pin pcie

i used the 8+8 pcie

so it's probably the reason why it melted in the first place

the 8+8 pcie probably cant supply enough power to my gpu

so i used now 1x 8pins and 1x 8pin both

for reference i used only these

the twin pcie

[odd siren]

No it definitely would've been those 180° adapters

The 8+8 would've been fine

[wide widget]

i see

[solid glacier]

Guys

Idk what to do

The ryzen 7 7800x3d is 600$

[livid idol]

cad?

[solid glacier]

usd

[forest oasis]

pass

[solid glacier]

huh

i need a ssd

[forest oasis]

600 usd isnt a deal
600 cad would be good, but there's been sales for even lower before

[solid glacier]

yea ik im nt gonna buy that cpu for 600$ i bought ifor like 213$ my last build so oim gonna wait for it to become in stock

[livid idol]

419 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-8-core-16-thread-4-2-ghz-5-0-ghz-max-boost-socket-am5-unlocked-desktop-processor-black/6537139.p?skuId=6537139

[forest oasis]

ngl idk what you are asking about

this is the graphics card channel

and you say that you bought the cpu for 213 before?

[livid idol]

The lowest I've seen the 7800X3D is $335 back in June

[solid glacier]

Yea i used like newegg credit to get it for 213

[livid idol]

It'll go down again in a few months when the 9800X3D comes out

Probably around black friday

We're at the point in the tech cycle where companies raise prices so they can later reduce them and call it a sale

[solid glacier]

Whats a good ssd for 100$ or less

[keen nacelle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hrLdnQ/teamgroup-t-force-g50-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8ffe002t0c129

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Gs7G3C/team-mp33-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpd002t0c101

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hQ4BD3/sabrent-rocket-q4-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sb-rktq4-1tb

[forest oasis]

you should probably move to #building-and-recc-chat or the more specialized channels like #storage-devices for these kinds of questions 💀

i dont think there's a rule requiring you to do so, but it is kinda weird to be asking for ssd reccs in the gpu channel LMFAO

[random walrus]

chat does a 15C hotspot delta mean i need a repaste?

[odd siren]

No

[random walrus]

It also used to be more like 10C from what I remember

[odd siren]

Still no

[random walrus]

ok

[odd siren]

Come back when it's like 25C

Lol

[random walrus]

ok thisisfine

[odd siren]

Ramp the fan a bit as well if possible

Small delta isn't bad contact it's poor transfer/ventilation

[random walrus]

yeah it's a small 2 fan card in a very cramped case

fan was maxing around 90% but I can up that to 100. Noise isn't an issue when I have my headphones on

[odd siren]

Try a deshroud and 120mm fans @random walrus

Sounds like a woeful card

[random walrus]

evga xc i think

pretty small

[craggy pier]

I wonder if its even possible for integrated to match top performing dedicated

In the future ofc

Im curious how youd go about that

[odd siren]

Ventus XC

[odd siren]

It's definitely possible just hilariously expensive and ridiculous

[random walrus]

It's also the cramp[ed case. I've ran the card in a big case and it doesn't get as hot

[odd siren]

You need the die from one place

[craggy pier]

Lol i bet

[odd siren]

A ridiculous power delivery

And a lot of bespoke engineering

[craggy pier]

Cpu would cover 90% of the mobo

[odd siren]

You want a good example? Go look at nvidia server architecture

[craggy pier]

Not to mention cooling

[odd siren]

Hopper systems are insanely dense

H100+grace cpus or whatever just filling this one small board with vrm everywhere

Very expensive

[craggy pier]

Once i saw a server cpu that went for 10k i just died inside

I think it was the threadripper

[odd siren]

Probs

[craggy pier]

Idk amd has insane cpus over there

I saw one that went for 28k

Not the grace h100

[forest oasis]

Threadripper is mainly workstation
You're probably talking about like a 128 core epyc
Though that is probably worth more than 10k

Intel also had a few like around that price point

I'm not sure if there's a threadripper cpu that costs 10k

Insane amount of lanes though

[livid idol]

It takes a while for integrated to match high end, but vs just a few generations ago, the 8700G currently matches the 1050 ti on average

It really thrives on faster memory too

[quartz gull]

I hope the 5090 has more than 24GB of vram because 24GB isn't going to be enough for long with COD using 18GB

[odd siren]

Their game won't last very long if they're asking for more vram than over 90% of pc gamers in 2024 according to steam survey

Well over 50% if you only *consider 8gb

Happens too often nowadays, game launches with poor optimisation, within a few months, patch update rolls out that greatly fixes vram utility

Multimillion dollar games can't survive when they demand more performance than the market can afford

But you'll be happy to know there's a rumour floating around that one nvidia die is considering higher vram counts

Whether this becomes a 5090 or 5090 Ti we won't know until release

Survey for context, turns out I'm being conservative with my estimates lol

[livid idol]

It won't because then it will cut into the server and AI cards they charge 10x more for

I'm guessing the CoD issue is a memory leak that will be patched

[quartz gull]

Idk if it's a memory leak over bad optimization

Because it instantly fills up to that

And just sits there?

[livid idol]

Hmm yeah that's not leak behavior

[quartz gull]

Right?

Which is what has me so blown away

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500103141900025857/1282606039371481129/image.png?ex=66dff775&is=66dea5f5&hm=e3131a3f1e40ce5e92502bf236efda040476e9808fba5fac543a0289231280bb&

This is insane like there's not even things like hardware Ray tracing going on?

The game uses online texture streaming, I almost wonder if it's just streaming the entirety of the UHD textures at once and storing it?

What else would it need 18GB for??

[livid idol]

Possibly, in a "you have the space so fill it" kind of thing

[quartz gull]

It's using more vram than most people have Dram in their builds 😂

[livid idol]

CoD is infamous for poor optimization at this point. What was the issue with the map sizes, every map was rendering at once?

[quartz gull]

Speaking of ram this game uses 20GB without any other programs open too, that's crazy

[quartz gull]

Because instead of separate maps, they were all on the same level with just different coordinates

And the culling didn't work so it rendered literally all the maps at once

[livid idol]

Laziest possible way to do that

[quartz gull]

Right?

Do different levels??

[odd siren]

There's no way it'll stay like that

I will eat my hat

I will leave the server 😂

If it stays

[quartz gull]

It's actually went up since the first beta weekend

Although General memory usage went from 24 to 20

[odd siren]

That's a bug or bad code

Ain't no way

[quartz gull]

First beta weekend had my normal ram at 24GB with nothing else open I looked at that and went "Memory leak???"

And then it didn't increase any further

[odd siren]

You need to understand 2% of the gaming market have 24gb and can afford 24gb

[quartz gull]

I KNOW

[odd siren]

People who play cod are way more than this

LOL

Now

[quartz gull]

7900XT has what? 20? 4080 super 16

[odd siren]

If this was fifa

....

I wouldn't be surprised

Those dudes are cash cows

Cod however has tons of brokies

[quartz gull]

"Must use FIFA limited edition Nvidia A series workstation GPU to run"

[livid idol]

Re-releasing the same game worse than Ubisoft

[odd siren]

Where's the factory assembly line meme...

[livid idol]

I swear every Ubi game is on the same engine now and it hasn't changed one bit

[quartz gull]

Honestly this is the best release since 2019 MW I'm enjoying it a lot

[odd siren]

Interesting

[quartz gull]

The movement definitely carries the game, and also assists giving you full kill points is great

[odd siren]

Shame only 15 people will play it

The other 3 million are broke or not interested

💀

Or want their kidneys

[quartz gull]

My dad was playing it on his 4060 laptop and kept complaining about hitching and I'm like

[odd siren]

Guarantee that'll get patched

[quartz gull]

*It should be running well at 1080P with a 4060M????"

[odd siren]

Ya

[quartz gull]

And he was running on the basic preset

[odd siren]

This is an fps game

I will bet my tv 😂😂

[quartz gull]

But on Xbox?

It's like 1400P 120fps

It's actually crazy pretty on series X

[odd siren]

Yes cos xbox has 16gb unified ram

[quartz gull]

And smooth af

[odd siren]

The gpu and cpu work on the same ram

[quartz gull]

I have actually been playing more on my Xbox than my PC

[odd siren]

Makes sense

Why play a game optimised for console on pc

[quartz gull]

Because PC keeps having matchmaking errors and crashes that are driving me crazy

[odd siren]

Ye

[quartz gull]

Wireless keyboard and mouse as the coffee table

I have a 120hz TV and honestly

The difference between 4K and 1400P isn't that much?

The 120hz frame rate carries definitely

[odd siren]

Well you're also probably sitting 15ft away too

Which helps with ppi

[quartz gull]

I wonder if it's using FSR or something to upscale

Because I've played certain games on PlayStation with 1600P resolution that have been noticably bad

[odd siren]

Not really sure

I haven't been taken to a game like cod in years tbh

[quartz gull]

Honestly I skipped MW3 until it dropped into Gamepass because I played a little of it and returned the game disc

BO6 movement and gunplay and then actually fixing the score streak system from cold war is phenomenal

[random walrus]

It absolutely is. Consoles aggressively upscale to hit fps targets

[quartz gull]

It doesn't look like just normal upscaling. Or the disgusting checkerboarding (Looking at you PlayStation)

I'm thinking it may be FSR

[random walrus]

Also cod really likes AMD gpus which combined with the upscaling is probably why the series x is faring better than the 4060m

and actually the series x gpu is probably just flat out faster than 4060m

Since XBSX ~= rx6700
4060m ~= 4060 desktop << 6700

Maybe a 30% raster diff

[random walrus]

Forgot to redo my undervolt when I reset windows 🤦‍♂️

This card UVs quite a bit, 20% power drop with maybe 2% perf decrease

[coral yew]

Has anyone had any BSOD issues after the latest AMD GPU driver update? I updated first then played a game and noticed my GPU was at 98 degrees in game and my fans weren't spinning so I restart my PC and get 2 bsods

Well now I'm getting a memory error which I did add new RAM recently but it was working fine

[livid idol]

Memory_management?

[coral yew]

no but also issues fixed now recovery mode ended up fixing an issue for once for me

it was IRQ or something like that

[odd siren]

IRQL not less or equal

That's ram

[coral yew]

yeah

first two errors i couldnt see but then the last one was that error

[odd siren]

You "added" ram. As in you put two more sticks in?

[coral yew]

yeah

[odd siren]

Yeah don't do that with ddr5

Run 2 sticks, never add never mix

[coral yew]

i didnt have any errors though till i updated my drivers

well its working fine now

[odd siren]

It'll bsod again

[coral yew]

and i made sure it was the same kit

[odd siren]

Bsod IRQL means it's very unstable

It wouldn't matter if you buy the exact same sku

Brands shuffle oems

So the sticks underneath will be different revisions, different brands they bought from

Running completely different natural behaviours

Mixing is just no good

The fact you are even managing it in itself is impressive

But this will also degrade your game performance when it's unstable

Average fps might look the same but you'd have more stutters, less consistency, bigger 0.1% lows

It's going to all trace back to the ram

[coral yew]

fps is better and have had 0 stutters

[odd siren]

On top of that you can risk destroying your instal

Windows will suffer entropy over time with unstable ram

IRQL bsod is textbook unstable

Highly suggest you swap to 2 sticks of the same capacity or take one kit out altogether

[coral yew]

probably eventually just buy a new kit ig

[odd siren]

Up to you whichever way you want to do it, but I would suggest running 2 sticks for now

Advice is optional but amd gpu drivers get quite a lot worse with unstable ram

Would also encourage a ddu to amend the instability with an sfc scan

?ddu

[neat venture]

DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) Guide by Pato
https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

[coral yew]

alright

[solid glacier]

might order this to get the cpu

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-32-Thread-Unlocked-Processor-Motherboard/dp/B0BRPGNXWK/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&sr=1-9

[keen nacelle]

Not worth

At all

And that's 7950x non 3d

20% worse in games

[solid glacier]

oh lowkey thought it said 3d lol

[odd siren]

That motherboard is terrible

Sorry there's two motherboards there hold on

That motherboard is terrible

[keen nacelle]

How long do you think a 2060 can handle 1080p 60+ fps for any game for? I know it's an 8ball question

[random walrus]

For any game?

I'd say 0 years

It's well below reccomended specs for many AAAs releasing around now

Well I guess it depends if you count rtx and dlss

Dlss is pretty dookie at 1080p

[keen nacelle]

That's what I thought, just wanted to confirm

Ty

[random walrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1erihuAFzng

Actually here this is better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG2I3tUK5Xg

I would also expect 6gb vram to start becoming more and more of a problem just a year or two out

[livid idol]

Even 8GB of VRAM is becoming an issue in games at 1080p

<=4GB we're seeing games refuse to even start

[odd siren]

6GB still works

8gb is still fine too, just temper fidelity expectations

Once again, for the hundredth time. Over 50% of the pc gaming audience is on 8GB or less vram

New games asking for more than that mean half their audience can't play the damn game which is a huge revenue stream issue

Over 12GB and you have like, under 10% of people

24 at 2%

Vram requisites and the mindset of this is vastly overstated, these games get patched and the problem goes away

Until the market makes a real shift beyond 8gb finally, games will still be very accessible at 8.

Context:

[livid idol]

They get patched to where the game runs, but textures pop in and out or low res ones used instead. See Halo Infinite.

[odd siren]

But panicking does no one any favours

You can't just turn around to people on the low end at sub 800 to say "Btw none of the new games work" it's contextually wrong

8gb won't last a lot longer, the last two years have seen a big shift already, however it's not doomsday protocol, far from it

[livid idol]

I only said it was "starting to become a problem"

[odd siren]

Not you

And not throwing shade btw, just clarifying the drama behind it

Even HUB reversed their statements in a review vid over vram just over a month ago

After spooking half the enthusiast market with "8gb is doom" posts for years

They started it and gave us the 4060 ti 16gb and 7600 xt

Those would have never existed

Damn things can't even use all 16gb on the bus

I will say 6GB the writing will be on the wall by now, but 8GB still has a fair bit of time left

[solid glacier]

Cpu still not in stock 😭

[livid idol]

7800X3D? There has been a bit of a shortage of those. It's driven the price back up closer to msrp.

[solid glacier]

Yeaa

or even the ryzen 9

but i wont get this til end of septmeber

[odd siren]

New statistical data from Sony regards "3 out of 4 people choose performance mode over high or ultra graphics".

Seems my "9 out of 10 people don't care about RT" statement tracks pretty well in some places

[random walrus]

The whole PS5 pro debacle has taught me that console gamers either 1) don't care about image quality or 2) are just blind

I've seen multiple videos of people watching the Sony presentation and being like "Oh I DoNt sEe a DifFerEncE"

[livid idol]

They're the same people that say 30 fps is fine

[random walrus]

Meanwhile I'm watching their compressed recording of a stream and can still clearly see a leap in fidelity across most of the image

[odd siren]

Most people actually don't care about the image quality over gameplay tho

In some regions this new console costs up to twice the price of the vanilla PS5

Mine included

I can buy a PC for the same price and better performance here. With new parts, unlike the US where you game the system a bit with old parts but still turns out comparable

The main issue is the price

The ps4 pro had a performance leap yet still costed the same price as the ps4 at launch

[random walrus]

Gameplay is king but it ain't really up to the hardware manufacturers

[odd siren]

Ofc

[random walrus]

Yeah manufacturing costs aren't dropping like they used to

[odd siren]

But the main cause of the debacle is people are upset the price trend is bucked

It's now cheaper to buy something else that the point of a console had a reason to exist for

[random walrus]

I think the most valid criticism is that it doesn't come with the disk drive, and iirc it's like $80 usd more?

[odd siren]

The lack of a disc drive is the big one for most. You can't even use it as a blu ray player

Yes it's ridiculous

[livid idol]

Sony is doing it because they can. M$ decided that consoles weren't worth it any more so they didn't launch the Series X Elite. Sony now has no competition so they can say "the best console for playing GTA 6" in their marketing when it launches late this year.

[random walrus]

Best console for VR as well... Not that that hits a very large demographic

[odd siren]

That price won't stick imo

Even when the ps5 launched, no one wanted the digital

That's how I got one so cheap mid pandemic, but back then it was justifiably valuable

[livid idol]

Doesn't matter if it sticks or not, they don't need to sell it. This is also testing the waters to see if people will accept a higher console price for the PS6 later down the road.

[odd siren]

Sure

Japan won't accept it

That one is already proven

[livid idol]

If M$ really does pull out of the console market entirely like it seems they want to do then it doesn't matter if people accept it or not, they don't have a choice any more.

[odd siren]

MS has a loss lead in consoles

But the software they sell at almost pure profit

They absolutely will want to pull out

They've reached the point where people can play the games via streaming services or pc's, they've captured a major foothold of the gaming market

Dial back 10 years and they wanted to sell every disc they could

Way more profit for them if they don't sell the console

Sony on the other hand never had the home field advantage microsoft did, and frankly, with what, 1 exclusive title at this point

Hardly think it's worth it tbh

Given enough time switch and other handhelds will probably take a bigger rise. Sony should consider the psp again lmao

[hexed forge]

There's rumors that they are going to step back into the handheld market soon

[odd siren]

They should

More value prospect for everyone when they sell a 780m handheld for $400 than a custom SoC for $700 and no special quirks like a disc drive

[hexed forge]

The problem is they need to have good support. Vita sold well initially but lacked many good titles and they never did much with it. If they do that again it will just fail again. And sony sucks at that stuff

[odd siren]

Their problem is nintendo

That's all it is

[livid idol]

The handheld market has never been better. They'd be crazy not to try to tap into that.

Yeah Nintendo has a chokehold on handheld consoles

[odd siren]

Thing is, if the next switch is competitive with the current handhelds, that'd frankly throw a psp out the window

[hexed forge]

nah cause psp sold and did real well despite nintendo having pretty much a monopoly in the handheld market at the time. They just gotta build a more powerful handheld with more enticing exclusives

[odd siren]

They would want to have a handheld in japan that is distinctly different

[livid idol]

It's not

[odd siren]

We don't know yet

[hexed forge]

Supposedly, the next nintendo console will be portable but with the power of a PS4 according to some rumors I saw floating around

[odd siren]

Old ampere rumours are several years old now lol

[hexed forge]

but that's a lot of relying on rumors lol

[livid idol]

PS4 Pro specifically, but only in raw tflops

[odd siren]

Which would be genuinely better than a lot of available hardware rn

Take a switch, flash steamos to it

Lmao

[livid idol]

PS4 Pro = 4 tflops
780m = 8.3 tflops

[hexed forge]

The thing with nintendo is, they don't really need the power though. More power than switch, sure. But they don't need modern performance power because they have a long line of exclusives that people will buy no mater what they put out. If playstation puts out a more powerful handheld with a more exclusives they could easily take a chunk of the handheld market, but it will rely heavily on exclusives.

[odd siren]

780m is like a handful of the soc's available

Go look at every ayn, every razer, all these others using snapdragon custom soc's

[livid idol]

I know, but it's on the market, and not the only one that far exceeds the PS4 Pro in fp32

[odd siren]

Nintendo puts time into a fun game rather than necessarily looking great

As annoying as the premiums are, switch has aged well.

[hexed forge]

I agree.

[odd siren]

It's genuinely vexing looking at the current AAA market and feeling like it's worse than what we had 4, 5 years ago

[livid idol]

Covid and all the mergers had a huge hand in that

[hexed forge]

I'm just saying sony (and microsoft too, for that matter if they wanted) could get into the handheld market and take a sizeable chunk if they put some of their good IPs on there as handheld console exclusives. Exclusives are really the only thing that sells consoles nowadays for the most part

[odd siren]

Absolutely agree

[solid glacier]

769$ before tax’s worth?

[odd siren]

Pretty much most of my discussion points in the last 40 minutes lmao

[odd siren]

Nope

[hexed forge]

ah I havent been here for the last 40 minutes I only saw the bit I chimed in on 😂

[livid idol]

Better be actually new games and not a re-re-re-release of Crash Bandicoot too

[solid glacier]

I could get it Saturday that’s why I was considering it

[solid glacier]

Know any other bundles that’s worth it then?

[hexed forge]

as much as I do actually enjoy rereleases, that's not an exclusive. I don't care how pretty you make it 😂

[livid idol]

It's a Sony IP but they have done PC and licensed out certain games

[odd siren]

New games, new handheld, sony should move on if they think the console future is this expensive

[hexed forge]

I should put an asterisk on that, I enjoy it in certain situations. Like nintendo I'm okay with it cause it puts console games in a portable format so it's worth it to me and if you give me a means to not pirate it, I won't pirate it lol

[odd siren]

Yeah agreed

The portability to me is immensely worth an extra

I willingly bought a switch and I like it, as old as it is, ps5 would be worth nothing to me if GT wasn't a platform exclusive (Won't be for much longer I've heard)

[livid idol]

I just wish Nintendo games would go on sale once in a while instead of never. Even old ones like Smash Ultimate are still $60.

[odd siren]

Also agree

[hexed forge]

yeah agree. That's why I want used game stores to come back with a vengeance lol

[odd siren]

But if it means nintendo keeps making good games like this, I think they got something good going

[plush garden]

Would a 3060
Be good enough to pair with my ryzen 77800 x3d?

[livid idol]

Gamestop is selling used smash for $55

[hexed forge]

you can get better bang for buck with AMD GPUs

6700 XT I think is the equivelant? right?

[plush garden]

Not sure but aren’t nvidia better though ?

[hexed forge]

or maybe 6600xt

[livid idol]

6700 XT is more like a 3060 ti

[solid glacier]

That bundle is the only thing I see with it

Worth it

[livid idol]

Only in ray tracing and VR, which you shouldn't be doing on a lower end GPU anyway

[odd siren]

Vastly imbalanced unless all you play is like 1080p low overwatch

[hexed forge]

beat me to it. I was having trouble remembering the name "Ray Tracing" 😂

[hexed forge]

I would imagine VR is ok on 3060. Haven't tried it yet but it was usable on my 970, and did real well on my 2070

[odd siren]

Ah yes the thing that doesn't really work on more than half of nvidia's stack

Ray tracing

[livid idol]

Depends on what you play. Half Life would destroy it.

[odd siren]

What are you building this pc for doing

[hexed forge]

Really? I've never played half life alex, but the only game I couldn't play on 970 was No Man's Sky VR, but it ran great on 2070

[odd siren]

Alyx is one of the hardest vr games to date

[plush garden]

So what gpu should I go for then

[hexed forge]

Well now I wanna try it but I don't have the space lol.

[solid glacier]

gaming

[odd siren]

What's your budget more importantly

[livid idol]

NMS is 10 years old lol, ofc it runs on a potato

[odd siren]

7800x3d then

You don't need a higher tier unless it's justifiably cheaper

[plush garden]

Like 300 range 350 ish

[odd siren]

More cores is not more better

[solid glacier]

thereason i was getting that bundle is bc its the only cpu in stock lol unless i wanna overpay for a cpu and then get a bad mobo

[odd siren]

Whole pc not just the gpu

[plush garden]

I got everything else

Just need gpu

[odd siren]

That bundle is overpaying tho

[odd siren]

Used 6800/XT then tbh

[plush garden]

Ok bet

[odd siren]

That should be near 350-ish

[solid glacier]

oh

[hexed forge]

I mean it still hard on VR lol. Maybe hla is worse, idk. But of all the VR games I have, NMS is the only one I couldn't play with 970. That's all I'm sayin lol.

[solid glacier]

?

[odd siren]

7800x3d is the bar, if the 7900x3d costs even a dollar more or a bit less and you only play games, not worth it.
If 7950x3d is same price and you only play games, it's somewhat worth it

$750 is not worth it

I'll give you an objective

Find a combo deal around 550 for both x3d cpu and board

Or up to 650 for x3d cpu, board and ram

[solid glacier]

those the only 2 bundle deals on amazon and theres none on newegg lol

[odd siren]

Try micro center

[solid glacier]

none near me

[odd siren]

Well if you can't meet those targets then buying separate is cheaper

7800x3d + great mobo is only 550 before tax

570 before tax if you want extra features like usb

Any higher and it's a rip off

[solid glacier]

bet

ty

[olive bobcat]

Any new performance based gpu ranking charts?

[odd siren]

Tom's hardware 1440p ultra or 4k ultra is good

[solid glacier]

no cpu yet D:

[plush garden]

so i have my gpu but the cord that goes to it does it need to be plugged in straight to the motherboard or into the power supply its self into then into gpu?

some one help

[odd siren]

????

Gpu to power supply

[plush garden]

let me send pic one sec

[odd siren]

Psu to motherboard

[plush garden]

gpu

[odd siren]

Gpu to power supply

It's never not this

[odd siren]

I know what the gpu plug looks like

Gpu to psu

[plush garden]

where does this end need to go to

so psu

[odd siren]

If that's the other end of the plug yes

[plush garden]

ok

[odd siren]

There is no where on a motherboard to plug that to

Make sure it's plugged in completely on BOTH ENDS

They can't be out a little bit

That's a really bad situation if they are

Make it the last thing you do

[forest oasis]

gas leak

[plush garden]

What if this is like this

Why is there two

But I only need one

[odd siren]

Wait

What gpu is this

[plush garden]

4060

[forest oasis]

that's regular pcie power

[odd siren]

So

Ok wait

This is, the other end of that cable?

[plush garden]

No it seems like this is a hole separate cable

[odd siren]

Ok

Well that first cable you sent then, you won't need

[forest oasis]

are the connectors on the gpu the same size as the one in this image, or smaller like the one in the first image you sent

[plush garden]

This I don’t know what this is

It’s its own thing

[odd siren]

That's for a gpu you don't have

💀

[plush garden]

Ok

[forest oasis]

does any 4060 even have this type of connector

would definitely be a bit overkill lmfao

[plush garden]

Can I just plug one side in to the gpu ?

[forest oasis]

you can plug either one in

just pick one

[plush garden]

Ok

[forest oasis]

well, ideally, you do the one that isnt hanging off of the other one

but it doesnt really matter much

the 2nd one is just there for gpus that need 2 8 pins (or you can remove 2 pins to make it a 6 pin)

[odd siren]

@plush garden make sure the psu side goes to psu, gpu to gpu

[plush garden]

screw wise what do it use?

[forest oasis]

which

[plush garden]

the ones itake off from the plates i have to remove for the gpu?

[forest oasis]

yeah you use the same screws from there

[plush garden]

ok

This look right ?

@odd siren ?

[plush garden]

?

[forest oasis]

yeah looks fine

[plush garden]

ok

bet

[plush garden]

What does this mean

[forest oasis]

something is wrong either in the cpu or ram

did you plug in the cpu power as well on the top left corner of your board

couldnt see from your previous image

[plush garden]

well the lights went away and now its on

[plush garden]

so what that mean now?

[forest oasis]

ah

must have been ram training

if they're off, then it's not an issue

[plush garden]

ok

@forest oasis so why when those two lights go off when it finally shows picture why does the pc sound louder

[forest oasis]

because the fans are spinning faster

[plush garden]

Ok

[ivory herald]

The debug leds flash in sequence when pc is turned on. ram & maybe cpu led will sometimes temporarily be lit for a minute like when ram training is going. If the led labeled boot goes on, it's a non-issue if windows isn't installed it.

[plush garden]

😂😭

Now I need help because I’m trying to fix my dual monitors but my mouse won’t show up on my second monitor to drag this down what do I do 😭😭

@ivory herald @forest oasis

Fixed it lmao

[plush garden]

is this going to always show two gpus since my cpu has intergrated graphics ? @ivory herald

[ivory herald]

Some places will. I have igpu and TM doesn't show it. I might've disabled in bios. btw, 1st pic has your email in it, top left.

[plush garden]

One sec

[plush garden]

One more question i already have my games and stuff imma use downloaded but now when i turn off the pc and turn it back on it shows those mob lights then it goes away after like 80 seconds then I get picture how can I stop that

@frigid anvil

what ya think i can do

[forest oasis]

This is normal behavior

[plush garden]

so is it going to be likr that forever

[forest oasis]

I'm assuming you meant the LEDs you sent earlier

Yes

[plush garden]

oh

[forest oasis]

It only happens during boot

[plush garden]

yea

[forest oasis]

Yeah, I'm saying that it will only happen during boot

[plush garden]

OK

[livid idol]

Those are diagnostic lights. They can help a lot with certain hardware or BIOS issues.

[frigid anvil]

idk why I was the chosen one but that's normal stuff.

https://tenor.com/view/animation-movies-disney-pixar-quotes-gif-14842157

[plush garden]

lol because u are online

[frigid anvil]

I'm special I know

[plush garden]

lol

[solid glacier]

still no 7800x3d in stock

[livid idol]

Still not the CPU channel too

But yes there's less stock every day for the places that had it

I think microcenter is the only one left with it at a relatively reasonable price

[forest oasis]

tfw channel just 1 below

press alt + down arrow

[lone pond]

is the i7-11700 bad

[livid idol]

Not necessarily, but it is a few years old at this point. It's no better than the 10700 and sometimes worse, though. It's still powerful enough for any game at least.

[tough plinth]

my gpu doesnt have ray tracing, so how does it render reflections?

[forest oasis]

quite a few gpus are able to proccess ray tracing

been doing it for years

real time ray tracing on the other hand, requires specialized cores

as for normal games with reflections, most of the time, they arent actually doing any ray tracing, but using some techniques to make it look ray traced

they may also pre-bake ray traced lighting into the game, like portal 2 has

which is why portal 2 holds up so well even over a decade later

[livid idol]

I just wish portal 2 was longer

One of my favorites of all time

[odd siren]

Still looks nice

[latent cove]

im going to install a new gpu should i use ddu after the installation or before?

[livid idol]

Run DDU, using the uninstall and shut down option.
When it shuts down, that's your time to swap the GPUs.
Then you boot up and install the new drivers. It might take a little extra time to start the first time.

[forest oasis]

if it doesnt post, then clear cmos
i had to do that when swapping gpus for some reason, idk why

[livid idol]

BIOS does store some of the VBIOS data, mostly just a basic identifier and capabilities

[latent cove]

ok ive got an issue that i dont know where to go from here. Last march my msi 6700xt was causing issues where it would freeze for a few seconds then shut down. i switched it out with my old gpu (1660 super) which is what ive been playing on since. The 6700xt was under warranty so i sent it in, it came back and i tried to use it and its doing the same thing. I call MSI and they say that they found no issues with my gpu and it could be my other components? any idea what i should try?

[forest oasis]

shut down as in a graceful shutdown? or as in a crash?

either way, try reinstalling your drivers

uninstalling with ddu first

[latent cove]

i have done that. its a black screen and it restarts

[forest oasis]

oh yeah you were here yesterday

hmm

have you tried checking if your windows system files are fine? with sfc and dism, or just by reinstalling windows

if even reinstalling doesnt fix it, it's probably a hardware issue of some sort
perhaps a psu issue? considering that your 1660 super is fine, but that's a lower power draw

[keen nacelle]

What psu do you have

That def sounds like a psu issue

[latent cove]

I have done that

I just updated by bios so I’ll see if that helps

[latent cove]

I’ll have to check I’m on my way back from classes right now

[latent cove]

i have a 650

pcpartpicker shows my estimated wattage at 394

[keen nacelle]

What model

[latent cove]

corsair gold

[keen nacelle]

Some rm variant, so that's fine

[latent cove]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/PVzZxr/corsair-txm-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020132-na

[keen nacelle]

I'd make sure to check all connections, if the gpu has multiple 8 pins use separate cables instead of two connectors on the same cable

[latent cove]

ill try that

[keen nacelle]

Txm is still solid, but if it's old that could be the issue

[latent cove]

yeah i have had it for a while

[keen nacelle]

How long?

[latent cove]

the cable im using is 2 8 pins, i built the pc in 2020

[keen nacelle]

Gpu typically wouldnt cause shutdowns unless it's psu related

Especially the way you were describing

[latent cove]

yeah i have been trying to figure it out for a couple months. i just updated the bios so im going to try that. my psu box is at home so ill have to wait to try that

[long oracle]

does anyone know where I can get a PCIE to thunderbolt adapter?

tryin to boost my macbook lol

Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! $124.29 | egpu thunderbolt 3/4 to pcie Graphics card external bracket stand by 7900XT/rtx4090 ATX power supply can be installed
https://a.aliexpress.com/_omDGrqj

solid?

[craggy pier]

Ordering the 7900 gre powercolor red devil later today, is it worth undervolting?

[cerulean rover]

eGPU for a macbook..? need to be very careful with compatibility

[livid idol]

Only the Intel based macbooks work with eGPU, none of the M series chips do. You're also limited to the GPUs listed on this page. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102363

If you do some modifications you can technically get other ones to run but you will likely lose warranty support, if you still have it, among other risks.

[long oracle]

yep already figured allat

cussed apple a few times and went on with my day

[solid glacier]

Hey do we gatta install windows 10 pro first on a usb or can we download windows 11 on usb? bc when i first tried it on windwos 11 usb it wouldnt work

[forest oasis]

you just need to make a windows 11 usb if you're planning on installing windows 11

also this is the graphics card channel

this is a question for #building-and-recc-chat or #windows-ios

[mellow glen]

is the 12VHPWR connector compatible with a 3080ti ?

[forest oasis]

depends on if the 3080ti has the 12vhpwr connector, or if it's just using the old standard pcie power
founders edition definitely is
iirc the strix isnt

[mellow glen]

it is a founders edition, 12pin connection

just wasnt sure if its backward compatible

[ivory herald]

3090 Ti is the main 30 series w/ 12vhpwr port, although rest of founders 30 series should be able to use a 12vhpwr cable. The sense pins wouldn't be used for ya, but this might not be a factor.

[forest oasis]

yeah, the 4 extra connectors on top are for the sense pins

not needed for 30 series

but if you have a cable without those sense pins, it wont work on 40 series

[livid idol]

Without the sense pins connected the cable is limited to 150W, or 0W if it's the new 12V-2x6, assuming the power supply is properly built.

You can bypass this by jumping one of the sense pins

Jumping sense0 will get you a 450W limit; jumping sense1 will get you 300W. Both of which are definitely enough for a 3080 ti.

S3 is sense0, S4 is sense1, I know it doesn't make sense (hehe)

So you can jump S2 with S3 and get a 450W limit at the cable

[solid glacier]

Uh oh

Enough cpu paste?

[livid idol]

Plenty

If you're nervous about it you can spread it in a thin layer

[wind sable]

You gotta 3 whole packs bro

(Jk)

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-nutella-nutella-chocolate-thermal-paste-meme-gif-24395210

[solid glacier]

Okay sooo

My gpu is on

But nothing is displaying on my montior

Anyone?

[livid idol]

How long did you wait? It can take 5-10 minutes to train the memory the first time

[solid glacier]

Like a few secs

[solid glacier]

It didn’t even show screen on first boot though

Iv never had to wait for the ram to train in any of my builds lol that’s why I think it’s a connection issue somewhere

[livid idol]

Yeah, it takes 5-10 minutes for that

[solid glacier]

There is a red light on my bios

Under it says DRAM

[livid idol]

Because it's training the memory (DRAM)
Unless the bios version is too old to recognize the X3D processor

[solid glacier]

Yea I think the bios needs a update a lot of reviews are saying that

[livid idol]

Which board did you end up with

[solid glacier]

Gigabyte aurous x670 elite AC

AX

[livid idol]

What revision? It's on the bottom left of the board, by the audio header

[solid glacier]

1.3

[livid idol]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X670-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-13/support#support-dl-bios

You have "q-flash plus" so you can flash it without it booting first

[solid glacier]

How without having any signal, doesn’t that red light mean that my ram is faulty or not seated correctly aswell?

[livid idol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHa46UoM0A

It can also mean that the CPU is not able to communicate with the RAM, which can be caused by the CPU not working correctly from the outdated version

[solid glacier]

Oo okay

So I download the latest one

[livid idol]

Correct, at the top of the list

That'll also include the performance improving agesa patch

A nice little 5% overall bump is always fun

[solid glacier]

Hopefully this works

Well it won’t let me rename it

[solid glacier]

Do I extract it

[livid idol]

Yes

[solid glacier]

I renamed it but mine didn’t turn glued

Blue like his

[livid idol]

That's fine you don't have a program that knows how to handle BIN files

Not needed here

[solid glacier]

That or get rid of the FB3B

Wait should I turn the pc on while flashing or

[livid idol]

It should only be "GIGABYTE.BIN" exactly, it won't read otherwise

[solid glacier]

Alright

It’s flashing now let’s I wait and see if it helps

If this doesn’t work I’ll take cpu cooler off gonna have to reposts repaste cpu and then reseat ram

[solid glacier]

It’s done flashing the Bios

Now what

[livid idol]

Try to boot again, waiting a few minutes for the RAM again

[solid glacier]

So shut pc off?

And reboot?

Rebooted still no screen now I wait 4 mins

Just got a feeling I have faulty ram lol

Ubless I did something wrong in the bios flash process but I don’t think I did

The reseating ram is gonna be so annoying bc I have to take everything out

The USB goes under where it says bios right bc that’s where I put it

Ok so yea nothing yet

Gonna reseat ram

Fml

[livid idol]

Correct

Sometimes flashing can take a few tries

And sometimes it won't like your USB and you need to try a different one

[solid glacier]

I clicked the Bios flash nothing is happening

So I think it worked?

But still no signal

[solid glacier]

Can I leave the cpu cooler off when I take it off when I reseat the Ram and see if the issue still persists or do I need to put the cpu cooler back on

[livid idol]

At least set the cooler on top so it makes contact

There does need to be a certain amount of pressure on the CPU for it to make proper contact with the pins too

[solid glacier]

Alright

Wait I might of did it wrong

For the folder extracted

Do I include the full folder or just the contents inside of it

Do I put that whole folder in the USB? Or do I open the folder rename it and then put what’s renamed on the USB

[livid idol]

Only the file that was renamed needs to be put on the root of the USB drive

[solid glacier]

Ight I’m trying it again

Let’s see what happens

[solid glacier]

So to reboot it I Jsut hold power button down and then return it on ?

[livid idol]

Or flip the power switch on the PSU

[solid glacier]

Oo ok

Remove the usb drive when I switch psu off?

[livid idol]

If you want, not necessary

[solid glacier]

Alright rebooted now timer for 5mins

If that doesn’t work reseating ram it is

[livid idol]

It can take as much as 10 minutes

5 is just closer to the average

[solid glacier]

Ight il wait 10mins

I’m like 99% sure my ram is fitted in correctly

[solid glacier]

Still nothing

Gonna reseat

I only had to remove a fan think goodness

@livid idol Reseated arms

Ram

Still solid red

Brand new set

Ruined lol

Nvm

My tam isn’t in

Double checked yes idk

Not working one but

Bit

Faulty ram or fault mobo

Idk what else to try

Time to buy new ram yippie

@livid idol tried 1 stick at a time both different sticks to see if I cns rule one or the other out

Still so loud red

Tried new slots on mobo still a issue

[odd siren]

Frosty did you strike out again on a whole new pc?...

Do you have like a microcenter nearby?

Or rather any pc shop?

Take it in to them, pay them a 50 to get them to finish setting it up for you

Any pc shop will have a service for that

I think at this point @solid glacier it'd be better to let a professional help, lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place

[solid glacier]

Cpu and cpu socket is fine

[solid glacier]

Reseated cpu

Ram

Gpu

Tried different slots

Isn’t

Has to be bad ram

[solid glacier]

Yea idk

Brand new build and getting no display signal yay me I reseated CPU checked to make sure no pins were bent, cpu is perfect, reseated ram 4 times tried1 stick at a time didn’t work tried a different SLOT and still didn’t work. tried CMOS didn’t work. Tried BIOS reset didn’t work

[solid glacier]

This bundle a lot of people are getitng a DRAM issue problem

[livid idol]

Sure but that's usually after enabling xmp

Because the CPU can't always handle the RAM speed with the fclk synced

It should have no issues at jedec

My suspicion is that the bios didn't get flashed correctly

Not that it's your fault or anything, it's not a great system

[solid glacier]

I tried flashing 4 times lol

[livid idol]

Like, how are we supposed to know what the different flash patterns mean

It could be saying "error can't read" when we think it's flashing

[solid glacier]

Yea so what do I do at that point lol

[livid idol]

You got the microcenter bundle right? Might as well take it to them, I know they have a service that can help.

[solid glacier]

Yea but the closest one is 4 hours away

I work over the weekend aswell

If it’s a faulty
Mobo do they replace it for free

[livid idol]

Try a different flash drive maybe

[solid glacier]

I tried that aswell

[livid idol]

For them to replace anything they'll need to figure out what's faulty

It's FAT32 right

[solid glacier]

No idea tbh

Idk how to check

[livid idol]

Right click the drive and select properties

[solid glacier]

Yea it’s fat32

If I can’t figure it out I’ll prolly just take the drive down there Ik it’s a faulty board has to be

[solid glacier]

The usbs fat32 it works

[solid glacier]

But

Can’t even go to a micro center store to return them

[vital oriole]

It's normal tho

Not their product

Wait nvm

I didn't read the rest, mb

[keen nacelle]

Why would microcenter warranty a product they didn't sell

[solid glacier]

I bought it as a bundle from microcenter

Sold by Amazon though

[vital oriole]

Oh I get it

Amazon has some weird rules about that

[solid glacier]

I’m gonna try on board graphics didn’t know I had to remove the gpu and then plug the pcie cable into mobo to see if n it works

Honestly prolly won’t lol

[odd siren]

You return via amazon then

Not microcenter

Yes, even though they sold it

Just take it to an MC and get them to take a look at it

[solid glacier]

Yea gonna return the whole bundle since I can’t just return mobo