archived-hdrp

[barren goblet]

want to learn DDGI

[turbid matrix]

afaik Nvidia rebranded DDGI as RTXGI: https://developer.nvidia.com/rtxgi

there's UE4 fork for this already, no idea on Unity timing - if it's even happening

FAQ on that page said "We are working closely with Unity to bring RTXGI support to their engine as soon as possible. Stay tuned!" but that could have been changed already

[barren goblet]

does the SDK include source code ?

it looks difficult to apply

[turbid matrix]

if it were trivial to apply, it would be here already

[barren goblet]

1spp hybrid raytracing always just single bounce

[signal osprey]

Probe volumes?

[iron flame]

yea Probe Volumes

[signal osprey]

Look like grid of lightprobes

They told me they were working on true light volumes, like bakery

[slim cairn]

does anyone know how to enable node snaping in shadergraph?
i see the blue lines but the nodes don't snap to them, this happens on any project with shader graph

[turbid matrix]

this is merged on master now https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/4030

[eternal laurel]

So is this RTXGI(DDGI) or a new way to place and bake lightprobes?

[iron flame]

probe volumes is a baked GI type for now. In the future, it can turn into DDGI with ray tracing acceleration.

[eternal laurel]

So whats the difference with just baking with the PLM ?

Or does this replace lightprobes

@iron flame

[iron flame]

probe volumes is like Light Probe Proxy Volume component, which automatically places the probe.

[eternal laurel]

I was under the impression that proxy volume defined a custom bigger volume for sampling light probes

There is a free asset on github that auto places light probes in a volume that I have been using for a couple of years

[iron flame]

Not from a single point like a light probe. There is a 3D light blending.

[eternal laurel]

So this is lighprobes and proxy volumes rolled into one and works for all objects? Even if they dont have a proxy volume on them ?

[iron flame]

exactly

[eternal laurel]

Very cool light set up

So if you are playing with it hows the performance so far compared to regular stuff

Also is the wall using the probes or is it regular bake ?

[iron flame]

I did not notice any difference in performance.

everywhere is illuminated with probes

[eternal laurel]

Very cool. Bake times are probably lower as well huh? Sorry for all the dumb questions I just dont have time to play with it

[turbid matrix]

I'm not all that excited about changes like this https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/4514

I get there can be issues if the module isn't there but surely that's on the people who removed the module from their project

to prevent this they now force terrain module on all HDRP users who don't even want terrain?

[iron flame]

bake time is now longer. May be incompatible with AMD GPU (6900 XT). Graphics card usage is very low(%5) and takes a long time to bake. holding it after bake finished. 1fps for 5-6 seconds, probes loading and 180 fps.

[turbid matrix]

is it using gpu for that bake?

I mean, I wouldn't take that for granted even if you have gpu plm selected

[iron flame]

Baking with progressive GPU. Cpu usage is low. so yes it seems to be bake with gpu. When I choose a progressive CPU, the CPU usage is 60-80%.

[eternal laurel]

I'm getting a very low GPU usage with the GPU PLM too. Especially with baking with a second GPU device

for the second device its like 5% GPU usage and its like 15-30% on the first one if I bake with it

[iron flame]

Bake duration is longer than lightmap in both modes.

With progressive gpu, lightmap finishes at 1000-400 mray in 1-3 seconds.

probe volumes bake time 5 min

[iron flame]

and this is result

[turbid matrix]

@iron flame do you use HDRP that has this fix? https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/4247

that was merged 3 weeks ago so would assume it to exist only on last alpha if even there - unless you use this from github directly

[iron flame]

I use HDRP from github.

[barren goblet]

@iron flame what algorithm the probe volume baking is using ?

[iron flame]

It needs to be a progressive lightmapper. It doesn't matter if it's a GPU and a CPU. It does not work with Realtime Enlighten GI.

[turbid matrix]

I'm mainly interested on the memory footprint it requires for open world kinda usage

you'd obviously try to keep the probe density as low as possible for places that are not that densely populated with objects but I can imagine it would still be notable figure

[eternal laurel]

Im still interested in why they scrapped the network distributed baking

[barren goblet]

unity raytracing shader, I have 2 different material shader with "closesthit", but only can be invoked, why ?

@turbid matrix

no, same shader, with 2 different material data, but only one of them appear.

CBUFFER_START(UnityPerMaterial)
           half4 _Color;
CBUFFER_END

[turbid matrix]

no idea

meanwhile, these got merged to master now:
https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/3747
https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/4500

[ember breach]

@turbid matrix yeah I want it for open world, but I was trying it first it was introduced, it took 10 min for baking at area of 10x10x10m which was absolutely bad with ton of artefacts, now its around 5-10min for area of 30x30x10m

Not better at all rly, still ton of artefacts making pushing walls to be more than 0.5m to 1m

On other side tried DDGI, on 1070, area of 30x30x10 cca, no artefacts and runtime baked 🤷‍♂️ it seems like they are pushing resources to another tool that is far from being even on the same level

[dawn sorrel]

hey

Graphics: Added: Unity.External.NVIDIA APIs to expose NVIDIA-specific plugin functionality (for controlling DLSS and other features). These APIs are available by enabling the NVIDIA native package on the package manager.

this sound cool XD

its in alpha 17

[weary fog]

any reason why baking probe volumes take so long to bake? light probes take a very very short amount of time to bake for me, aren't probe volumes essentially an automatic grid of light probes?

[dawn sorrel]

@weary fogits still in early stage? or maybe its a volume baking not UV baking

[dawn sorrel]

@turbid matrix

[dawn sorrel]

am using dlss 🙂

[turbid matrix]

I'm not on my dev computer for a while so can't test this stuff atm 🙂

@dawn sorrel was that with HDRP they shipped or from github?

it doesn't really make much difference though since it's merged on github side too, so even if it's not there yet, it will be in future releases

[dawn sorrel]

so i cloned the entire graphics repo then used the hdrp stuff on my car game

worked fine 🙂

[turbid matrix]

it should, unless there's some api changes that are not in current alpha yet

[loud leaf]

@dawn sorrel is DLSS working for you and are you seeing any gains?

I wasn't seeing any performance improvements and playing with the settings seems to break it.

(latest master)

I lose about 40 fps and a tiny copy of my game view renders in the bottom left 😄

If I turn off "optimal settings" I don't get the double game view, everything seems to render as it should, but it's still about 10 fps less than DLSS disabled.

If you are measuring performance, please ensure that you are looking at GPU time, using the GPU profiler, and not the CPU profiler. Note too that DLSS wont make your frame run faster unless your scene is highly bound by gpu draw calls.

That could be it, there will probably more info in the next few days.

[dawn sorrel]

now i am more interested in quality , which is good so far. sharp and steady aliasing 🙂

[loud leaf]

I lose some small details compared to native + TAA, which I think is expected behavior from the maximum performance mode.

I just tried the spaceship demo and also lose about 20 fps there, interesting 😄

[loud leaf]

If anyone can find a scenario where DLSS performs better than native I'd love to open the project on my system, it could be a windows/driver issue

Edit: forgot to add, I'm on a RTX 3080

[keen pivot]

i see GPU baking has come up recently

seems i cant GPU bake anymore since i went to 2021.1

like, at all, just throws it out as no opencl device

is this something anyone else is dealing with too?

2020.3 is fine (as fine as it gets)

(HDRP btw)

[dawn sorrel]

@keen pivotwhat gpu do you have ?

[keen pivot]

1070 Max-Q 8GB

[dawn sorrel]

@loud leafhttps://youtu.be/x6mAtE1Y8y4
i want him to share those cars and also test dlss, nice project to have

🙂

[barren goblet]

hi, is the lightmap including direct lighting?

how do we know if we should add direct lighting in the shader ?

and if the lightmap only contain diffuse, we should add direct specular

[iron flame]

https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/4418

[iron flame]

You need to use mixed lighting
Realtime light + Lightmap

[indigo summit]

i think the reason they didn't going forward with DDGI is to make it hardware agnostic, especially since now DDGI is an RTXGI

[keen pivot]

the default HDRP template works, so 2021.1 must be allergic to something in my project

[keen pivot]

well identical setting dont work on my project

i guess there is a log file somewhere

[opaque trail]

can't seem to click a world-space UI button in HDRP. I've set the event camera to be the correct one
but it isn't doing anything when hovered over or clicked

really big problem

[glad tartan]

It's nice coming back to see a lot of cool features/changes in HDRP.
Will be messing around with all of that for sure.
I see 0lento still on top of things.

[glad tartan]

Ayy, it seems we now have Shader Graph Tessellation (HDRP Change log on Master Branch)
https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/blob/master/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition/CHANGELOG.md

[nocturne stone]

Hi i was wondering if anyone could help me 🙂 my scene currently has a lot of lights in it, as its a stage and they're all mostly spotlights, but with URP im limited to 8 lights, is there any other pipeline or something I can do to achieve more lights?

[iron flame]

finally I can do water wave shader 😄

[long wagon]

@glad tartan There's no reaction gifs

[glad tartan]

Got it

[torpid horizon]

after installing urp, my post processing effects have disappeared and my shadows are really pixelated...any tips on how to fix this?

[eternal laurel]

You are limited to 8 per object not per scene. However if you really need a single object with more than 8 point lights then hdrp or the build in pipe will do the job

You can split your stage mesh into several chunks and go on in urp

[bleak otter]

Olento just shared Forward+ for URP, so more flexibility on the lighting side should come soon https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/4500

[distant garnet]

Hey guys, doing some tests here. I'm using 2021.1.6 with HDRP. I'm trying to draw 3200 cubes, same Lit material, same scale. Suprisingly, making them static yields worse results that having them not static, both in terms of CPU and GPU time. Pass count stays the same. Anybody can help me figure this out?

[rich spade]

probably the same reason you don't set trees to static, also have you baked occlusion culling. It's not exactly a good test imo, real situational tests are going to yield more sensible results for comparison purposes 🤷

[distant garnet]

I'm just trying to understand the logic here. I felt like static batching was generating combined meshes, which ultimately ends up one single draw call of 40k tri, which is nothing really. I'd expect static batching to be as fast as drawing 1 object with 40k tri.

And this is pretty much a real test. We're trying to draw a bunch of static low poly count elements. All sharing the same material.

I don't understand either why the CPU cost is higher.

probably the same reason you don't set trees to static
afaik, this is more of a memory problem, which i don't monitor in these tests

[rich spade]

but it's something to keep in mind that it will increase game size on disk and space in memory, not to mention increase build times considerably. You may want to look at different approaches for handling this use case scenario.

[tacit slate]

any possibility to change the graphics API on a build?

Vulkan support on some devices is pretty bad and I'd like to switch to OpenGL on those devices

at run time

[nocturne stone]

how do i do that?

[dawn sorrel]

hey guys i submited a new idea for unity light baking; gpu baking using the path tracer 🙂

[broken lichen]

Can you see in the Frame Debugger how it's drawing the cubes when they're not static?

It must be batching somehow, either with the SRP Batcher, dynamic batching or GPU instancing

[glad tartan]

You need to enable post processing on the Camera (There's a checkbox there for URP) and you need to go in the URP pipeline asset and setup how you want the shadows to be. By default they are set to a lower quality/resolution. Spend some time learning about and getting familiar with URP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6YqTrwjpP0

[torpid horizon]

ah thanks! turns out i needed a volume within my hierarchy and that was what fixed it. thanku for the video though, ill check it out!!

[glad tartan]

Ah ok, I assumed you were still using Post Processing V2 (instead of the URP version/V3) so you didnt need a new volume in the scene.

[torpid horizon]

dsjkgd probably. this stuff is very confusing for me

[distant garnet]

SRP batched (GPU instancing with SRP batcher off yields pretty much the same results)

[dawn sorrel]

@loud leaf

i appreciate your project on forum 🙂

thanks

[loud leaf]

You're welcome 👍

[dawn sorrel]

man am happy for unity its been along ride since 2014 and i think it reach the realism i was looking for since then 🙂 ❤️

[zinc mountain]

How do I get my camera to render post processing?

[dim maple]

I managed to put lighting on the player, but I wanted the scenery to be dark around, how can I do this with URP?

Now I put the lit in the background, but I want too the tilemap dark

[strong summit]

I don't know but
I hope these 2 videos can help you

https://youtu.be/nkgGyO9VG54
https://youtu.be/6Q0FnPy9Orc

[viral ingot]

my models have many wavy stripes on Android when I use URP

i posted a thread but no one help me, anyone know how can I fix it. Thanks:

https://forum.unity.com/threads/models-have-many-wavy-stripes-when-play-on-android-while-editor-is-normally.1109024/

[sand saffron]

It may be caused by camera's far clipping plane being too far, or near clipping plane being too near

[strong summit]

I think it's the shadow
you need to maximize shadow resolution

[dawn sorrel]

i get really bad fps caused by rendering

[whole seal]

Hey. I get this error in URP two times when i press play:

Invalid editor window UnityEditor.FallbackEditorWindow
UnityEditor.EditorApplicationLayout:FinalizePlaymodeLayout()

And it also make the game paused and every time i press the pause button to resume, it gets paused again. But idk whats the matter.

[barren goblet]

is it ok to use AO denoiser for screen space shadow noise ?

[dawn sorrel]

megascan plugin don't work with alpha 17, all fine just missing material shader. 😦

[dawn sorrel]

i am optimizing

my models vertices with some plugin

[vapid delta]

Can some one please help me, I can’t figure out how to fix this mesh so it renders properly. What am I doing wrong 😦

[swift halo]

anyone, how can i fix this wierd shadow lines on the edge?

[vital oracle]

HOW DO I FIX THIS?

[long wagon]

@vital oracle Don't cross post. And it's unreadable.

[vital oracle]

oh sry

it says that forward renderer data is deprecated

i just created a new URP Project

and as soon as it opened, it gave this error

did u understand it now?

[long wagon]

Did you lookup the error online?

Also the manual is pinned in this channel.

[vital oracle]

i did

i didnt get a solution

thats why i came here

[waxen lantern]

@vital oracle this is a known issue with the URP template not being up to date with the advancements in the latest Unity 2021.2 Alpha pre release (it will be fixed before final release.) You should use a final / stable release like 2020 LTS or 2021.1. Stay away from Alpha or Beta releases --they are a work in progress, so bugs and issues like this are expected.

[lethal ridge]

unity is very hard

[robust wren]

Please anyone can help me

[waxen lantern]

https://dontasktoask.com

[robust wren]

?

When in webgk i get all the time this input prompt

[long wagon]

@robust wren How is this related to Unity even?

[robust wren]

Is unity

[waxen lantern]

it's a PHP script, not Unity

[robust wren]

Because is in web

[waxen lantern]

and certainly not anything related to render pipelines

[long wagon]

@robust wren Inquire at whatever host service you are using how to use their API. It's not related to Unity.

[robust wren]

WHen i start the webgl is shows up a prompt that is apprantely created from unity

When i build i get that prompt without web code

[waxen lantern]

okay, maybe it is unity then. either way #archived-code-general is the channel to discuss this, (not this channel.)

[fallen monolith]

Many users claim URP is faster than Builtin. None of them provide any more than vague assurances that this can be done by changing some of its settings. Is there some kind of repo somewhere of what to do to make URP be VERY fast and light on Mobile?

[cobalt crater]

I've just released a new version of my mobile game (30k+ monthly players)

I'll share you the performance in a week @fallen monolith

in the beta tests i found out that URP was not doing 'worse' on medium to good devices

on budget devices performance seemed to be either slightly worse or slightly better but not much.

[bleak otter]

The primary source for me has been https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPQdm1T7aRs [How the Universal Render Pipeline unlocks games for you], but a newer source would be nice.

[waxen lantern]

this is a benchmark repo unity tech made for comparing universal rp vs built-in rp performance on mobile specifically https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/PotatoBenchmark

[waxen lantern]

you might also find this helpful: https://youtu.be/NFBr21V0zvU

[keen pivot]

cant say my experience with URP was fast, by the time i had it looking reasonable it was about the same speed as HDRP, which looked better

@waxen lantern i did want to talk to you about that VFX thing you were working on, is this an asset you are building or for a private project? there is a certain application i'd like to try it in, maybe we can discuss terms if thats an option you are open to? i can't DM you first but drop me a line if we can chat about it.

[fallen monolith]

@keen pivot agreed. That's been my experience. URP plus lights was slow. Without lighting, it wasn't faster than Builtin. Some of URP's batching tricks reduced draw calls, but its culling mechanisms balanced that out, by being expensive. When Builtin is streamlined to run unlit somewhat efficiently, it's far faster, for me, and I have done nothing about optimising shades, yet.

*shaders

[iron flame]

Please can you test this. HDRP motion vector doesn't work as it should.

Build a cube inside the camera and put it a little forward. Move the camera. Open the Motion Vector debug window

Expected result: Black motion vector since cube is fixed inside camera.

actual result: cube is colored as if it were moving.

[thorn yacht]

Hi, I am creating a game with a map editor where players can put hundreds or even thousands of objects on the map. I have a question regarding Batching. Is there a way to batch the meshes together when all the objects should stay movable during the game?

[elder merlin]

Yes, but dynamic batches are limited to max 300 vertices https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/DrawCallBatching.html

[dawn sorrel]

So I'm having a bit of a problem here.

So basically, I have a blit render feature of a CRT shader I downloaded (will give credit in the end game credits), and I am using a render texture to display Edward behind the UI elements. My problem is that the camera I am using to project from is also passing over the blit, meaning that it is rendering the same shader twice. Just look at the bottom screen and notice how it seems to be layered. Is there a way that I can disable the blit for just the render texture camera?

[broken lichen]

You can have multiple renderer scriptable objects in one URP asset, so you can make one with the blit and one without and change which renderer each camera uses.

[dawn sorrel]

I actually tried that already and it didn't seem to work. Do you have any idea how I specifically could do it?

Here's where I got stuck. As you can see on the left, and in my Project files view, I have another RP asset, but it's not allowing me to select anything.

[waxen lantern]

I recommend to paste this information in a bug report, this is exactly the QA team's job to test these scenarios https://unity3d.com/unity/qa/bug-reporting

[waxen lantern]

sure, but a URP to HDRP performance comparison isn't currently relevant to mobile, as mobile devices have significantly different GPU architecture and features than desktop and console GPUs that can run HDRP at all. with that in mind, testing benchmarking will need to be done on builds running on the target mobile platform. performance scaling on a desktop or laptop workstation can be wildly different @fallen monolith.

[keen pivot]

indeed, i didnt try any mobile hardware

[winged acorn]

I need some help with some weird layering issues using Sprites in 3D.
They only render properly when MXAA is turned on the the Render Pipeline, but since I'm working with pixel art, I don't want any anti-aliasing.

[spring heath]

URP can't upgrade the built-in default diffuse material. What do?

[whole juniper]

I'm using HDRP 10.4 with Unity 2020.3.7f1 and I had been using DirectX 11 but I just switched to DirectX 12 and now everything including the UI is a lot darker. Any idea why everything got darker? I'm using realtime lighting with Enviro HDRP so I'm not using any baked lighting.

I've been messing with my post processing effects volume and nothing is making the UI lighter like it was with DirectX 11.

[whole juniper]

Its not darker in the editor during edit or play modes but it is darker in the build.

[turbid matrix]

@whole juniper it is a bug. I cant remember which settings made it lighter again. Something related to resolution/fullscreen mode

Pretty sure it has been reported to Unity but not sure if they ever could repro it

It has been broken like that for like year+ now

There was some notes on some recent 2021.2 alpha that they might have fixed that but it also could have been something else

[dawn sorrel]

What should i do to draw grass on terrain while using HDRP. It says the current render pipeline doesnt support detailed shaders. Please help me solve this issue

[quiet quest]

Is shadergraph being added to build in pipeline

https://forum.unity.com/threads/shadergraph-for-built-in-pipeline.1108391/

[maiden linden]

is there a way to use the built in unity tree with the urp? it fails converting the shaders

[north rover]

Hey guys 🙂 I'm currently trying to create some custom behaviour involving point lights for someone. His idea was to use a point light in the scene and write a custom shader, which checks, if the vertices (or I think what he actually means is the fragments/pixels) are hit by this light. And then depending on whether the fragments are hit by light do something with it depending on another value, which is fed to the shader via the inspector.

His basic idea was to use Light Layers and inside the shader check, whether the light is coming from this layer or not. I'm very new to writing hand-written shader and just started to learn the very basics. Ideally I want to use some HLSL scripts in a custom node inside ASE, which does this checking stage, but I'm not really sure how to go about it at the moment.

I have read here that Light Layers are a feature for HDRP (https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@6.9/manual/Light-Layers.html) , but my client sent me this ShaderLab code (https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/blob/master/com.unity.render-pipelines.universal/ShaderLibrary/Lighting.hlsl) which is obviously a URP shader. If you ctrl + f "IsMatchingLightLayer" you can find it being used. I'm now a little bit confused, are the two not related at all? I didn't find any information about Light Layers being accessible in URP.

[broken lichen]

@north rover Light layer support was apparently added to URP just 28 days ago, probably for the new deferred renderer.
https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/commit/3da4810dee704e6301c423bd0c51c6708507ac4d

[north rover]

@broken lichen Ah, very interesting. Where can I see which URP version is required to use this?

[broken lichen]

@north rover If it's not in the latest release, then it's probably not public yet.

[north rover]

@broken lichen Ah. There is no central point for this kind of information? Something like "Added in URP 10.X.X:" and then I could check, whether Lighting Layers are listed in there?

[broken lichen]

Not that I know of

[fallen monolith]

have been trying all my tests in builds, on the best Android and iOS devices. URP can be made faster than default Builtin. A little work with Builtin, making steps to minimise its activities to only that which matters, and it's far faster than URP, for similar (or better) quality, with better and more features. URP is seemingly not being researched and developed with the intent of being light and fast and capable, merely as a replacement for Builtin.

[fiery marsh]

The URP docs usually list a few major changes. There's also a changelog, e.g. https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.universal@12.0/changelog/CHANGELOG.html
That mentions light layers is a v12 thing, but as MentallyStable mentioned that's probably not public yet

[trim ridge]

Has anyone encountered nullref errors and gray sceneview/black game view when enabling any raytracing effect?

I'm on a GeForce 1060 with backported DXR, and it's worked in previous versions of Unity. This is happening to me in 2020.3.6 and 2020.3.8 with HDRP 10x

[indigo summit]

what is the HDRP version in the latest alpha release?

[glad tartan]

It's still HDRP 12 but the current master branch on GitHub is for alpha 18

[indigo summit]

ah, i'm just gonna wait for alpha 18 then. Somehow i just don't want to setup the project manually with the repo 😅

at least at the moment

[waxen lantern]

what devices i'm curious? you say the best so I guess relatively recent. a Unity Tech dev on the forum mentioned URP optimization favors newer mobile device architectures, and because of that Built-in is better optimized and URP in many cases for many old mobile device architectures. but i'm not sure what the device age timeframe is on dev focus.

[upper patrol]

hi
umm i need help if u can please?

- Library\PackageCache\com.unity.xr.management@4.0.5\Editor\XRGeneralBuildProcessor.cs(83,52): error CS0117: 'BuildPipeline' does not contain a definition for 'GetBuildTargetName'

idk what to do to this thing and i cant rename anything its just wont let me

[tranquil dock]

I'm not entirely sure where to ask about this, so I'll ask here since the folks ought to know something about this issue.

I'm using URP on 2020.2.7f1, and I have lots of copies (about 27k) of an object with a custom shader. The object is a trivial quad with nothing special attached to it (no scripts modifying the mesh or material).

The material only uses 1 texture and has GPU instancing enabled, but still there are a bajillion batches, what am I missing?
(screenshots follow)

the scene with the objects visible

and without

and the inspector of one of the copies

oh yeah and the material

[long wagon]

It's been mentioned that statistics window doesn't work well with URP and especially batching information is not shown properly and Frame Debugger should be used instead.

[tranquil dock]

Oh, that is good to know. So I assume this is the actual draw call count?

[long wagon]

I haven't had the need to use the tool yet myself 👀

[fiery marsh]

I think those numbers just count the number of events (as a child to that heading). When a SRP Batch group is selected it should display the draw call count on the right of the window, unless it's just a single object.

[tranquil dock]

it doesn't show anything at all on the right of the window

[fiery marsh]

Hmm, maybe the game view needs to be visible too

[tranquil dock]

ohhh that does it

yeah i see it. but i have to step through each batch group and add them up?

[fiery marsh]

I don't think the total draw call count is that important. From what I understand, it's better to have as few SRP Batches as possible containing more draw calls to get the most performance out of the batcher. It's the setup between the batches that is expensive.

[tranquil dock]

i see

because there sure are a lot of them

well, thanks for the help and clarification! fog and cyan

[dawn sorrel]

hello so i'm using HDRP and i made a day/night cycle system. But when it's night the sky color doesn't change. Is there a way to fix that?
and when it's night the sky color is still blue
it should be black

[glad tartan]

Yea, hopefully by then master branch isn't on a19 or a20

[verbal wind]

Hi as of Unity 2019.4.20f1 Unity lighting is broken for us. I noticed this same behaviour in the 2020.x streams when doing test upgrades of our project. Now this issue has found its way in to the 2019.4 LTS stream which really! surprises me.

When looking at the editor log between the two versions 2019.4.18 and 2019.4.20 for example I see this new log entry
00:00:03] Enlighten: Builtin Sky manager started.
Thread -> id: 38c4 -> priority: 1
Thread -> id: 98f4 -> priority: 1
Thread -> id: 3fc0 -> priority: 1
Thread -> id: 9fcc -> priority: 1

I can see our lighting looks okay for a brief second or two as the scene opens up but then some switch is flipped and the scene becomes over bright

Anyone else experienced an issue like this?

[long wagon]

Sometimes upgrading can reset default environmental ambient lighting settings. Check them out.

[verbal wind]

I wanted to move the project to 2020 early on but was prevented because of this problem. I thought I would be safe on 2019.4 😦 This project has been upgraded many times in the last two years 2017, 2018 and now 2019. The issue is definitely repeatable goin g from 2019.4.19 to 2019.4.20. I guess I am going to be filing a bug report. 🙂

[verbal wind]

found the issue seems to involves the intensity multiplier

[keen pivot]

i thought it was just me suffering from that!

[carmine orbit]

I'm really struggling to get HDRP pipeline setup. Can't even see a cube. In all the tutorials I see, they click on this wizard thing and it fixes everything. For me it just flickers and the errors remain.

[glad tartan]

Seems you are updating a current project to HDRP. The process is pretty simple. In the HDRP Wizard you have open, you just select Fix All and it should take care of everything. After that you select the first button of the three at the bottom of the window to upgrade all your materials. It only works with the Standard Shader from the Default Render Pipeline, for materials with other shaders applied you will have to take care of those manually.

[carmine orbit]

@glad tartan If I click fix all it just flickers for half a second and nothing changes.

If I click top button of the three, nothing changes. I've applied a new standard shader to the cube using standard shader, still can't see the cube.

[glad tartan]

@carmine orbit
Are you in a new project adding HDRP? meaning you created a new project just to add HDRP or
Are you converting an existing project something you have done a lot of work in and want to upgrade it to HDRP?

[carmine orbit]

@glad tartan Yep, new project. Starting from scratch.

[glad tartan]

In that case just make an HDRP project. No need to be going through an upgrade process.

Create a new Project and Select HDRP as the Template and you have everything setup when it opens

Same for the Universal Render Pipeline.

The 3D Template it defaults to is for the Default Render Pipeline

[carmine orbit]

Tried it, same issue. Still can't see a cube.

[glad tartan]

That doesn't look like a new default project. The reason for a new project is to rule out where the issue is.

so if you made a new project and it's all good then it's something in your other project that was the issue and if the new project behaves the same then it could be your hardware compatibility with HDRP

HDRP is for Compute Capable devices so your PC should be able to run compute shaders to be able to use HDRP

so mostly older Integrated or Dedicated GPUs might not run HDRP well or even render

[carmine orbit]

It is a new project via the hub, it's on a remote pc. It's pretty high end but it could be the remote aspect that is causing the issue. Will look more into it next week, thanks for the ideas.

[glad tartan]

@carmine orbit Also check if it's because you have the project build settings set to Android instead of PC/Windows that it's not working

[worn lodge]

Hello. HDRP volumes. How do I change the sky?

HDRI

with HDRI

Doesnt seem to work

added HDRI Sky override....but the sky doesnt show

also fog doesnt work. but chromatic abbration and film grain are fine

I need sky and fog

[whole fossil]

add visual environment also

[carmine orbit]

@glad tartan Hey, Yeah it was the build settings. I had it on Android. Converted it to PC/Windows and it worked!

[glad tartan]

Sweet, glad it's all good now. Now I also know the build settings affect it as well.
Although HDRP should be able to support Android with Vulkan as it does IOS with Metal, or maybe they haven't gotten around to the Android side of things yet but it works on IOS devices that support compute.

[glad tartan]

Under Visual Environment, you need to change the sky type there to HDRI as well and set Ambient Mode to dynamic as that would be easier for you to work with.

[mighty aurora]

so i just learned that default rp forward has to do two depth passes to get depth normals and depth buffer. i don't need to render the geometry, but i need both depth buffer and depth texture, anyone know how i could accomplish this efficiently?

[full trail]

i need help

why is global illumination missing from my add override options in raytracing

[fallen monolith]

Current model Samsung flagships, and a few Chinese flagships. And current and last gen iOS devices. I've seen the same comments from Unity devs, always when replying to someone not testing on current gen flagships, seemingly in the hope that will allay fears that URP has no benefits in terms of mobile performance. Think about it critically, never take anything that comes from Unity's social facing devs at face value. THINK - how could it be better optimised on more recent devices in a way that's not going to show some kind of benefits on older devices AND lesser Android devices? For several years, Android devices have not gained massive improvements in rendering or cpu performance. Incremental updates only.

My game aims at 120fps and up on Android phones that have these faster rates, and on iPads with these faster screens, too. My CPU game logic does not generate garbage, and I use a very pared back way of using Unity. No Animators, only Legacy Animation, no post processing, no lights, no delegates, no Interfaces, no Actions, no Asset Store assets, and only Timeline (unused), Cinemachine and TextMeshPro Packages.

Absolutely everything ever used comes from a pool, that's managed like polyphony on synthesizers, carefully pinching and reusing the longest active if any pool ever runs out of objects.

[fallen monolith]

somewhere in 2019.4.20+ there are all sorts of weird things. Sorry to see you're getting this kind of weirdness. Am getting other oddities. Have tried all the 2019.4.2x's so far, none have been good enough to budge off 2019.4.16 - something fundamental was changed.

[elder moth]

Any thoughts on this. I want to use the universal pipeline renderer for 2D in 2021 and when I bring in a blender model it strips away all the shading. I'm pretty new to both blender and the rendering so I'm not sure what I need to change to fix it.

[whole girder]

anyone got an idea how to fix this error?

[carmine orbit]

Trying to build a HDRP scene again, this time on my personal PC instead of remote. I just get this, any idea what's going on?

[pastel fiber]

Seems like Unity is also compiling forward shader variants even though my game only uses deferred, any ideas if I can turn that off ?

[worn lodge]

thanks

[lunar cargo]

You want to use for 2D? But you are working with a 3D Asset? Or was just a typo?

First thought is that your object might be using a Unlit shader material. If that is the case, you could change for the Simple Lit or Complex Lit from URP materials.

[heavy ice]

Don't mind me, I like clouds https://youtu.be/YPTzsbxzSTY

[drifting vault]

looking cool.
Will come examples for cloud mask?
Tried clouds in 21.2b and some reason can't figure out why my custom cloud textures not working yet 😄

[heavy ice]

We will eventually provide samples for you guys to start from yes

[turbid matrix]

I'm still kinda puzzled how all these fancy feats will play with URP and cross-SRP goal. We still have wildly different sky on UPR and HDRP, even without these cloud systems

mainly wondering if there's some grand goal for bringing the HDRP sky stuff to URP eventually or if it stays the wild west kinda deal it is now

[shrewd canopy]

I don't see why so many people go to hdrp for their games

Hdrp is specifically for movies and high end games

Has there even been a decent game out of hdrp out there?

[trim bone]

i think oddworld uses it

[barren goblet]

Hi, need help,

why a empty scene, cost 8ms CPU time a frame ?

[true zealot]

Profile it

[barren goblet]

the pipeline is empty.

it shows the editor use the most.

why unity account the editor time into the total time ?

[bleak otter]

Would be odd to have low FPS due to editor overhead while the stats window shows low ms

[barren goblet]

?

[dim saddle]

hey i switched to URP and now, when i build to android, the screen is just black. Any ideas how to fix it?

[outer carbon]

If the app was already installed on your phone and you're just building to replace it, try first clearing the cache/app data for it.

[dim saddle]

alright

rip removed the old one and installed under new name but same issue

Does anyone know where that AR feature option went?

i only have these 2

are they still the same but changed the name to screen space ambient occlusion?

NVM i upgraded my packages and fixed it

rip still black screen

[dim saddle]

also a new URP project build to android renders black

[dim saddle]

i found the problem

once i select cardboard in XR management settings its black

[waxen lantern]

THINK - how could it be better optimised on more recent devices in a way that's not going to show some kind of benefits on older devices AND lesser Android devices?

You seem talented and passionate about this so i'm sure you didn't mean it this way but please save us the condescending all caps "THINK" --we are all thinking critically here, sharing ideas, and working together to find solutions.

GPU architecture varies significantly especially in the mobile space recently (the gap between mobile GPU tiled rendering arch vs more desktop like GPU arch is shifting and blurring) In any case, optimizations do not apply to every device equally. nor does performance scale equally across different use cases the same. It never has.

That said, in terms of how that applies to URP vs BRP exactly I really have no idea. I don't have empirical data on with a large enough statistical sampling size of devices and use cases to draw any conclusions. and I don't have some agenda here to think or convince anyone URP is better optimized in all cases. Nor do I just take Unity's word for it. That's why I suggested running one's own benchmarks. Some Unity devs have even admitted that Built-in is easier to optimize for some devices and use cases right now.

I'm also curious when and where this line is drawn in terms of what use cases and architectures are being optimized for and getting development focus versus those that haven't. That line certainly moved and focus became blurrier after LWRP became URP with a much larger scope of features, but to what degree and exactly what the development balance on URP optimization vs new features is i don't know aside from glancing at pull requests. There is also a new Forward+ path coming in 2021.2 as well and i'm curious how performance scales across platforms there.

[dawn sorrel]

its any way of baking light in rooms where they are pregenerated? i mean map made from seed

[fallen monolith]

It's not condescension. It's yelling over your Unity fandom in an attempt to get you to see that the claims of Unity haven't been borne out by reality in a very long time.

[waxen lantern]

I appreciate the clarification. There's no need for yelling in that case either. But I get where you are coming from and the impression that you got from my previous message. I tend to lean towards optimism in general these days but I'm not part of some Unity fandom, though is what i meant to make clear. i use Unity due its popularity and that it helps me find work, not because I just like Unity or the way it's built 😅. Similar reason why I use Microsoft Windows right now. It's ubiquitous, but not the best. I've been working as a software engineer and focused on graphics programming for many years, but I only started using Unity in my work heavily in 2018 to broaden my career options, And i'm regularly re-evaluating the industry and the frameworks / engines are out there to see where I might go next. so I value your perspective, and I assume you've been working with Unity for some time longer than I have.

[waxen lantern]

not anything out of the box in unity. i think your best bet is to explore real-time global illumination techniques. and i doubt it but there might be some sort of 3rd party "bake are runtime" light baking solution?... it's not strictly impossible just not that practical or a very high demand for it, --there would be quite a lengthy load time depending on hardware.

[fallen monolith]

Sadly, there is a need to yell over the faux positivity surrounding SRPs and URP in particular. Real people lose real time working under the (often false) belief that Unity's claims of performance in URP and delusions created by its former name of LWRP, and because of their claims that it's production ready. There is a need to counter false optimism, as they've shown no indication they should be given ANY benefits of any doubts. There are no meaningful tests demonstrating the supposed/claimed performance advantages of URP over Builtin. There are still significant limitations to URP that are increasingly looking like they can't be overcome without performance issues. Yet folks like you cheerily parrot Unity's claims.

[waxen lantern]

I hear you, that's a valid criticism and i agree with you on many points. There is still a significant gap between the marketing and the reality. So I'm not the one to yell at by that logic, you are preaching to the choir, so to speak. But regardless of our stance on a topic, we need to be careful about our etiquette here, so I was just giving you a heads up about how counterproductive insulting people's intelligence, intentional or not can be.

[fallen monolith]

I'm not insulting you, and IF you feel that is what's occurring, that's on you. Not me.

[waxen lantern]

I'm personally don't feel that way, i don't think you had negative intent / i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but it's borderline

[fallen monolith]

I am not, nor will I ever be, responsible for someone else's feelings. This is mutual.

[waxen lantern]

yeah I get that, it's just hard to read tone in text and there are ways to avoid coming across in a way you don't intend

[fallen monolith]

as I say, I'm not responsible for other people's feelings. And I won't attempt to shape my words as though I am. So you best ban or block me now, if that's what you're alluding to having the power to do.

[waxen lantern]

Not, i'm not a mod and I'm not trying to report you. just a friendly heads up for the future --a lot of people are more sensitive than I am and could involve mods in the future.

[fallen monolith]

I don't care.

[waxen lantern]

ok

[fallen monolith]

There are vastly more important things to worry about than the supposed feelings of others. Like their time and energy, and getting things done in the best ways possible. When Unity misleads its users, and when some of those users don't check those claims but then parrot them without skepticisms or criticisms, nor having truly put them to the test, that's further wasting the real time of real people. This is objectively true, not some subjective feelings. This cycle needs to be broken.

[turbid matrix]

Only thing report worthy I see here is that your talk about feels isnt really on-topic here. URP and built-in def have their own merits, if one doesnt suit your project I see no issue why you couldnt just use other, not all projects are alike. I mainly see some perf gain myself on built-in if comparing relatively empty scenes but that doesnt matter at all to me. And there are different painpoints on both beyond perf considerations

I dont do mobile dev though, I've seen people struggling more on mobile front while using URP (esp on older phones)

[eternal laurel]

From my humble experience Urp performs better for VR than build in

Mobile vr as well

[eternal laurel]

I have no idea how to use Realtime GI with the latest 2021.2 alpha with HDRP. Can someone tell me the steps ?

[iron flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXbAUKkbEc&t=403s

[fallen monolith]

Hear more than you ever wanted to know about Render Pipelines and shaders here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1036327620

[eternal laurel]

so anyway any news on if Unity are still doing their own realtime GI or has that path been abandoned ?

[iron flame]

Yesterday I tested Lumen and I was very jealous.
I don't think we could see anything like this in Unity for a long time 😢

[upbeat badger]

yeah, they don't even working on this

i honestly don't thinks they will. I guess we will have to choose between enlighten and raytraced GI in a long run and only raytraced GI in a future

i mean hardware raytraced

[dawn sorrel]

Lumen is OK, but the game changer is nanite imho

you can speed up a low poly game just by enabling it

its not just for high poly stuff, anything that doesn't need to deform benefits from it

[polar tree]

I just switched to HDRP, and previously, I could adjust fog so I couldn't see past, let's say, 20 units. Can I set a max fox depth with HDRP? It seems a little more different than the normal RP fog.

Oh, and I'm tired of answers being "why do you need HDRP" / "Why not use URP or the standard RP" that's not the discussion here. I feel like I'm asked that too often when I have HDRP questions lol

[eternal laurel]

There is a fog override for the volume

[eternal laurel]

Nanite is just mesh shaders right ?

[waxen lantern]

not exactly, the rendering tech of nanite is similar in concept and can use mesh shaders, but it doesn't depend on them, either.

[dawn sorrel]

its like a software version of mesh shaders, but nanite is the comprehensive implementation of it to the engine

you literally just tick one box and everything works

[eternal laurel]

Interesting. How did you learn this?

[waxen lantern]

this is because mesh shaders are just a formalization of what can already be done with compute shaders and indirect draw, with a few hardware optimizations. ue5 nanite devs also said in a eurogamer article that they used AMD primitive shaders for hardware optimization, since the PS5 doesn't have mesh shader support, but it's basically just a different way of doing the same thing.

and yeah as @dawn sorrel is saying, the rendering tech is only one part of Nanite, a lot of it is the 3d model asset import LOD generation and stitching, normal map generation, editor workflows and tools, the disk to CPU to GPU streaming system, etc

[eternal laurel]

The quixel integration is kinda sweet yeah

[dawn sorrel]

btw, speed up is quite real for the low poly projects. there's an image on reddit that shows rendering went from 12ms to 8ms. It also reduced the build size on a low poly marketplace project from 170ish MBs to 130-ish MBs

stylized graphics benefit from nanite too

[waxen lantern]

nanite is currently limited to opaque materials and static meshes however. but that covers the majority of most scenes, and it blends with non-nanite rendered meshes

[eternal laurel]

Am a bit jelly of nanite. We can only hope unity have a answer haha

By static meshes you mean non skinned or really static like dont move at all?

[dawn sorrel]

I'm sure they've been working on their own alternative, because nanite is really amazing. I'm sure Unreal would gobble up the archviz market completely if Unity doesn't come out with an alternative

[eternal laurel]

No they can move cause the said the robot thing was made with nanite

[dawn sorrel]

static as in non-deforming

moving stuff is all fine

no vertex movement at all

[eternal laurel]

Yeah yeah I remembered

[dawn sorrel]

You can't use nanite for skeletal meshes, but you can use sockets to attach nanite meshes to the bones

the big boss from the demo works like that

[waxen lantern]

and yeah unity and every other engine will or already is working on something similar, it's where the industry has been headed for many years. unity technologies just isn't as focused or agile as epic is, unity's development is slow, has a lot of human concurrency issues. they have so many offices working on making unity be everything to everyone.

[eternal laurel]

The old two steps forward one back and 2 sideways form of development yep

[waxen lantern]

epic just has one office in north carolina with a tightly knit culture that focuses on meeting the needs of a focused selection of industries and use cases.

anyway render pipelines

that's part of why unity has so many right now lol, trying to be everything to everyone

[dawn sorrel]

epic has many offices. Sound guys work at seattle for example, there are multiple offices in europe, japan, and china iirc

After UE4 epic invested huge into everything

not china but korea*

[waxen lantern]

oh okay. i got the impression the majority of engine development still happened in north carolina, though?

of course epic makes games as well not just the engine

[dawn sorrel]

asian studios contribute to the engine a lot. And sound guys are all in Seattle, though Seattle might have other engineers too, I don't really know. Main AI guy was working in Germany iirc. He and his team is responsible for all navigation and ai features

I'd imagine a big chunk is still being done in NC though

I think the main difference between Epic and Unity is the former dogfoods their product.

[waxen lantern]

yeah true that's a huge factor

[eternal laurel]

Dogfoods ?

[indigo summit]

battletesting

[waxen lantern]

when a company uses their own product "eats their own dogfood"

[eternal laurel]

Ahhh

[waxen lantern]

so they have an internal incentive to improve it and don't need as much feedback from external customers

[eternal laurel]

Did not know that idiom hah

Ive always been saying unity ahould try to make a commercial game with their own engine and feel the pain points haha

[indigo summit]

and i always wondering why they seems to against that

[dawn sorrel]

culture issue. tim sweeney is a software engineer at heart, and puts great value to products

unity, not so much. most of their revenue comes from ads

[eternal laurel]

Anyway i just remembered @waxen lantern you were working on a fluid sim right? How did that go ?

[polar tree]

Yes, sorry, but I mean, I can't figure out how, or if you can set a max fog limit like you can with the standard RP, and maybe set the start distance as well

[indigo summit]

change the attenuation distance

[eternal laurel]

Well im afk right now. When I get home I can fire up a hdrp project and help you out

[eternal laurel]

You are using this right ? https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@12.0/manual/Override-Fog.html

[polar tree]

Yes, that's correct.

[eternal laurel]

Well you can read what each thing does and make the fog you want. Its just a more complex type of fog so there are more things to set up

[polar tree]

Yeah, I've messed with it a lot these past few days, but I might have to mess with it more. I'm sure I can find a sweet spot that I like haha

thanks man!

[eternal laurel]

yep it sure is a whole bunch of things to mess with. This is why lighting artist is a full time position haha

[waxen lantern]

some tips that may be helpful in this thread: https://forum.unity.com/threads/2021-2-hdrp-enlighten-realtime-gi-not-updating-with-emission.1099639/

[eternal laurel]

I dont even get the realtime maps when I bake

I will try the auto generate and scene reload tips from the thread tomorrow

[waxen lantern]

well the 3d fluid sim that i'm using is fluvioFX, a VFX graph modification which is not my project though i've done a bit of work on it to keep it running on current versions. The majority of my work has been in the fluid rendering side of things. And it's still a work in progress though I have prototypes running in Built-in and HDRP. i'm integrating it into a game right now.

[eternal laurel]

ah right you were using fluvio to drive a sdf to render the fluid right or Im conusing several other projects

[waxen lantern]

yeah that's the gist of it

[wind robin]

guys, help me understand this profile result here please.

would SRP help me in this case?

this looks so bad.

50% on Camera. Render :(

[pulsar panther]

Are you profiling in the editor?

[wind robin]

yeah

is that bad? o:

[pulsar panther]

Make a build and profile it instead

[wind robin]

how can i profile after build? o.o

[pulsar panther]

Go to Build Settings, make sure you check "Development Build", then "Autoconnet Profiler" and just hit Build and Run

[wind robin]

hmmm

[pulsar panther]

If for some reason it doesn't connect properly you can go to Window -> Profiler, then where it says "Playmode" in top left, just click enter IP and put 127.0.0.1

[wind robin]

let me see, but i think the issue reported will continue to pinpoint that DrawCall

[pulsar panther]

Btw, what platform are we talking about?

[wind robin]

Windows standalone.

building now 🤔

this is a 2018.2.10f game project, it is a bit old.

[pulsar panther]

Understandable, although I do agree that it's oddly slow

[wind robin]

super heavy stuff :(

[pulsar panther]

Do you maybe have like really high res shadows?

[wind robin]

trying to find the culprit

hmmm....i can check.

[pulsar panther]

Seeing as it's under Shadows.RenderShadowMap

[wind robin]

yeah its curious.

i really didn't expect that to be my issue honestly.

i was expecting like, geometry and stuff

but never shadows.

i saw online that SRP could help with this, but i am not sure i can just flip this on, in this old project.

[pulsar panther]

Should be fine, might have to upgrade shaders.

[wind robin]

oof

:(

[pulsar panther]

It's automatic, but might not work if you have custom shaders.

[wind robin]

tons.

i can try 🤷‍♂️

i am not the creator of this, i just parachute into this lmao

🪂

just trying to optimize it somehow. :P

still building. 🙄

lmao.

building again, it failed xD

[wind robin]

hey same result @pulsar panther

[pulsar panther]

In the profiler?

[wind robin]

yeah Shadow is still the big boi

the game is crashing if i alt tab to unity to work the profiler but

as far as it records....it is still the same.

ofc turning shadows off is a solution but oof

[pulsar panther]

Try tweaking shadow render distance and resolution

[wind robin]

can you remind me where that setting is?

camera itself?

[pulsar panther]

What render pipeline are you using?

[wind robin]

good question

looks like standard

[pulsar panther]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/class-QualitySettings.html

[wind robin]

Allow HDR is on

Shadow distance is set to 40

Medium Res 🤔

wait

its different for each quality profile :P

this is the fantastic one ^^

let me try the Good quality to see

[pulsar panther]

Well it might just be heavy, so probably best you can do is lower settings.

[wind robin]

yeah less quality reduced the draws

oh well.

it sucks that the game is not using the GPU at 100% tho

30% cpu 50% gpu

[dawn sorrel]

I don't know how to do it in srp, but you could try to exclude smaller objects based on range to increase performance

That's my go-to trick for shadow performance. If you have contact shadows that can also help

[wind robin]

hmmm thx, i will investigate. 🤔

[signal osprey]

hey guys

do you know what witchcraft is required to get videoplayer showing some video & audio?

I think my settings are correct

[signal osprey]

solution: delete timeline 😄

timeline is such a disappointment

[true zealot]

surely the solution is to not have the alpha be 0

[digital spire]

https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/4689/files surprise, shadergraph will support built-in now

There is also this sneaky X-Pipeline. From the commit, Unity is trying to unify HDRP and URP.
https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/commit/c475020348c94190bf6638dac70e5f953012cbf7

[eternal laurel]

This xpipeline sounds like a really dumb idea

[digital spire]

I'm not exactly sure though. So let's best not judge too quickly.

[turbid matrix]

I love that they work on it

I have been doing proof of concepts for same project including both urp and hdrp and it has been pain

hdrp doesnt work well at all on medium spec hardware or in vr even with high spec gear (yes we have dlss now but it's still limited to new nvidia gpu's)

In my books, what is silly is that Unity let it go to current state where different RPs require wildly different setup

In any other engine out there you setup the scene same way regardless the renderer selection. Sure you may pick different values/feats based on it but they dont have renderer specific setup for things

This is one reason why I'm wondering about the hdrp sky stuff because it again drifts hdrp away from urp

Main goal of x-pipeline is not to have same project being able to runtime swap between urp and hdrp though. The goal is that you can author same project for urp on some build targets and hdrp for others without having to redo everything

Would be handy too if you decide to swap the RP in middle of development too. Today it is pain

It should just be toggle and small tweaks here and there

What I dont get is why Unity doesnt unify most PP related volume overrides that can have identical setup even today, like tonemapping etc

[dawn sorrel]

If they were to dogfood their own engine, they would quickly end up fixing many, many issues like this one. Instead, they seem to be fond of management based development where they choose the option that sounds the best during reports.

Unity is the most common indie engine for PC developers, and one thing that PC devs needs to be on top of constantly is scaling the game from low end hardware to the high end. It's immediately obvious why you would want the same game to leverage both URP and HDRP depending on the hardware setup...

[turbid matrix]

Yeah can completely agree with that, hence prototyping that kind of setup in past

I dont really think Unity even assumes people would ship pc-only titles with HDRP as it doesnt really scale well enough for that

[dawn sorrel]

Where am I supposed to find the new features of the alpha related to URP?

I am getting lost in the forums 😢

[iron flame]

https://portal.productboard.com/unity/1-unity-platform-rendering-visual-effects/tabs/3-universal-render-pipeline

[dawn sorrel]

Thanks.

Now if only someone would drag the Forward+ card over to the Released section 😩

[iron flame]

My Forward+ experience 😄

[eternal laurel]

I bet someone somewhere is trying their best to produce a glitch effect like that haha

[barren goblet]

Nanite is already open, when can I see it in unity ?

[eternal laurel]

in like 2 years 🤣

[turbid matrix]

definitely not in 2 years, unless Unity implements dx12 mesh shaders

[eternal laurel]

your thinking more ?

[dawn sorrel]

nanite touches many parts of the engine, not just rendering. I can't even think how Unity devs would coordinate such a massive effort in the short term.

If it doesn't work with a simple tick box like in UE5, I don't think anyone would use it. It'll end up being a tech demo

wait, thats... something unity might do actually 🤔

Sorry if I jinxed it, everyone!

[indigo summit]

also epic spend like 10 years RnD for it i think

[eternal laurel]

I still think its just mesh shaders strongly implemented in the engine 🤷‍♂️

if Unity focused on making DOTS the default and really usable and get mesh shaders in that rendering it might actually be better idk

[glad tartan]

Yea, it's like mesh shaders but with a custom rasterizer you can also run it on DX11. They basically made meshes store as textures and let the GPU read that instead of the raw vertex. Kinda like how you can use textures to do vertex animation. Which is why you can visualize nanite Geometry as vertices or triangles, just the colored textures as each triangle. They have a lot of tech that was implemented over the years running it as well. Same goes for Lumen, (Realtime GI and reflection) and Virtual Shadows. Things such as Distance Field Meshes, and HLOD they all rely heavily on.

I wonder if URP will get physical light values with Cross Pipeline or how they would sort out switching lighting between both

[dawn sorrel]

nanite is the whole pipeline around mesh shaders. it handles stuff like io, materials, content editing etc all seamlessly.

I can see how unity could implement mesh shaders in a demo and end up with occlusion probes 2.0 situation

[static helm]

Hi everyone, Im searching on a lot of sites and its impossible for me to find something, im having an extremely CPU usage in a HDRP project, also using Low resolution on the quality settings. I have only like 15 lights, occlusion culling and other things. On the profiler it seems to be playerLoop, renderPipelineManager.DoRenderLoop_Internal() and Inl_HDRenderPipelineAllRenderRequest what is consuming all the CPU taking me to +60 ms only with these 3. Im using an i5 9th generation at 2,9GHz and it should be way better. If someone can help me it will fix me a lot of problems, thanks

[chrome hawk]

A generalised answer: Stuff that looks like CPU is often actually GPU (CPU is waiting for GPU tasks to complete). Also HDRP has some basic overheads regardless of scene complexity.

[turbid matrix]

@static helm HDRP is often CPU bound so I wouldn't really be that surprised of the results, if you are using "older" unity/hdrp version, I'd check if it helps if you can upgrade to newer unity and hdrp as there's been a lot of optimizations on the light loop

I mean, this applies if you are using say, HDRP 7 with 2019 LTS, HDRP 10+ should be faster in situations like that

60ms does sound a lot though

it could still be your gpu stalling it, you didn't specify your gpu model, if it's integrated intel then just forget about hdrp

[static helm]

Thanks for replying, we do a test with an app for seeing the CPU and GPU usage and GPU was at 100% and CPU at 70% with two instances, also we have a GTX 1050ti and Unity 2020.3.f1, we thought the drivers should be updated or something because it is so weird to have 115ms on CPU with an I5 and 1050ti

So we will check that on Monday with the team, thanks for the help

[dawn sorrel]

Speaking of HDRP. Is it suitable for targeting low end hardware? My own PC only has a 1050 Ti so I obviously would like to be squeezing stable 60-100 FPS in a game with small level sections.

[waxen lantern]

Nanite rendering does not rely on Mesh shaders specifically but it is similar in concept and ideology. and Nanite will almost certainly will take advantage of Mesh shader capable hardware if it isn't already. UE5 nanite devs confirmed months ago in eurogamer that they utilize compute shaders + AMD Primitive shader extension (proto Mesh shaders) hardware on PS5.

Mesh shaders are really just a domain specific wrapper around Compute shaders with a bit of Primitive shader like hardware acceleration for GPU culling.

Nanite as a product is not just a rendering tech, though as others have mentioned. it is a sizable collection of tools and workflows that all work together. 3d model asset import, LOD gen, normal map gen, adaptive streaming, multiple LOD stitching, Editor UIs, etc
that said, from a bare API and engine feature set point of view, all or most of Nanite's features could be implemented into Unity as editor and asset import tools, streamed, stitched and rendered with compute shaders and a custom pass in HDRP. it would be a lot of work but not impossible. adding Mesh shader support would only standardize the way the Compute shader code is written and provide a relatively small performance boost on the latest gpu architectures.

[waxen lantern]

And yes this would hypothetically be more performant than what UE5 offers for a set of certain scenarios / genres at least

[waxen lantern]

depends on what you consider low, mid, high end. generally the word is that URP has a broader scope of focus on low to mid end, HDRP focuses primarily on just high end.
my rough estimates of these categories:

• low end meaning mobile and integrated GPUs
• mid end meaning less powerful or 1 - 2 gen old dedicated GPUs (like your Nvidia 1050ti) and last gen consoles,
• high end being current gen GPUs and the latest consoles.

[dawn sorrel]

Well, my GPU was bottom tier of budget GPUs 3 years ago 😅

[waxen lantern]

@dawn sorrel one source of info being: https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/render-pipelines-overview.html
URP is for "a wide range of platforms"
HDRP is for "high-end platforms"

[waxen lantern]

I have a laptop with a 1050Ti 4GB and even though it's not really what Unity has in mind for HDRP, i'd say it's still in the realm of being able to target with HDRP, optimizing performance would just be more difficult than with URP, especially for 60fps you would need to make a lot of concessions and sacrifices in features and quality settings that it would start to look a lot more like URP anyway, with a lot more performance overhead

@dawn sorrel So, by Unity's recommendation and my own I would start with URP for targeting / optimizing for low and mid end. URP's Deferred, Forward+ that is soon to be released will make a big difference for projects with many real-time lights, which is by my estimation the biggest thing URP is missing right now for scalability. (Only HDRP and BRP currently have deferred path)

[dawn sorrel]

Alright. If only HDRP could be as perfomant as Frostbite 🥲

I think on demand shadow rendering could also help.

I really liked this trick in Mirror's Edge Catalyst.

If the player isn't in the bounding box, shadows aren't updated. Or something.

[waxen lantern]

performance and features aside, Frostbite has its share of flaws and frustrations. To the point that many EA games are now using Unreal Engine due to extreme demand from the devs problems with Frostbite... If it makes you feel any better 😁

[dawn sorrel]

But muh renderer 🥲

[waxen lantern]

this? released 2021.1, i haven't tried it myself though https://portal.productboard.com/unity/1-unity-platform-rendering-visual-effects/c/197-mixed-cached-shadow-maps

[dawn sorrel]

Well, HDRP had on demand shadow mode even before that I think. This is just an improvement.

[silk chasm]

Can i use HDRP without nvidia videocard?

[eternal laurel]

yes

[silk chasm]

thanks

[inner parcel]

deferred might appear sooner for urp. its already there in 2021 alpha

[upbeat badger]

it was released way earlier, you can enable it in 2021.1 with ENABLE_RENDERING_PATH_UI scripting define

[waxen lantern]

@inner parcel @upbeat badger true, i'm just setting expectations as (using Unity's own terms) it's still in pre-release alpha and hasn't reached a proper production ready release. So it might not work well or at all, have bugs, missing features that are still being worked out. more info: https://blog.unity.com/technology/a-new-package-manager-experience-in-unity-20211

[inner parcel]

i just said deferred might come early. never told anything about stability which is obvious cos its in alpha version

[waxen lantern]

no worries, my response is really just a follow up for others reading these past few messages and may not be fully aware of what an alpha or pre-release is (there's a lot of less experienced folks in this discord just reading / soaking up info.) obviously you understand all this already, so while i pinged you and Lowlet i don't mean to come across like i'm "correcting" you. just adding some extra context, in case someone reading along isn't aware. this release cycle terminology unity is using is very new as well, i only recently became aware of it.

[analog meteor]

hi! i just upgraded to hdrp from urp and for some reason my sky is doing this?

also theres a border where the shadows do not appear between planes

[analog meteor]

i fixed this, it was the exposure post process
but i still have a problem with the shadows

[exotic plume]

ok I know it may be taboo to talk about this here - and believe me I have fought going this route for a long time now .. but Damn Im impressed with the results of LUMEN in UE5....

When is Unity going to get some GI tech like this????

[broken lichen]

@exotic plume I've seen very impressive demos of it, but a lot of it has temporal artifacts. Shadows and lights not appearing and disappearing immediately. Are there settings to reduce that?

[true zealot]

This isn't an Unreal discord

[waxen lantern]

yeah we better stick to this side of the topic. Unity HDRP has a number of options for real-time global illumination including Enlighten Probe based Real-time GI (returning soon in 2021.2), Screen-Space (SSGI) and Ray-Traced (RTGI) in order of performance cost and fidelity. (with only the last technique requiring real-time ray tracing hardware.)

and Enlighten Real-time GI is actually available for all render pipelines again. BRP, URP, HDRP.
EDIT: this is not yet released, only in alpha / pre-release for 2021.2
There is also a next gen scalable GI replacement being developed in-house by Unity Tech. it's just taking longer than expected and I suspect they really want to make sure it's impressive. (so that's why Enlighten real-time GI is being brought back in the meantime to fill in the gap.)

[carmine orbit]

Still trying to get HDRP working on my machine, cube is white. HDRP-Lit material. Build = PC. HDRP template scene. HDRp asset hooked up to quality settings etc. Any ideas?

[drifting vault]

Over expasure?

[carmine orbit]

@drifting vault I don't know how to adjust that but I don't think it's that. I'm just clicking on new scene (3D) and I don't even see a skybox in there

Oh that's because I didn't have skybox enabled. When I do, it's just white

Really confused because any time I follow a tutorial for hdrp setup it just works. Is it my graphics card being too old? I have a Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 Ti

[true zealot]

No, it should be fine. Check that there are no errors or warnings in the console when you restart Unity. Make sure Unity's not locked thinking about compiling something in the bottom right of the editor.
Check the project settings and make sure there is a HDRP asset assigned in the graphics settings.
Perhaps check the Frame Debugger to see if there are any clues

[true zealot]

Oh, that is "Basic Built-in"... for the built-in render pipeline

If you're using HDRP, select the Basic Indoors or Outdoors (HDRP) ones

[carmine orbit]

This is what I get when opening the outdoors scene

Do I need to make a volume?>

[true zealot]

Uh, if that's not working I'm not sure what the problem is, try my previous suggestions, if none of them work perhaps someone else has a clue

[drifting vault]

create a new volume and add inside Exposure settings. try to play with then

[carmine orbit]

Ah yeah, that's it. So this is it with a new volume and low fixed exposure (default) (also an error in console?)

and this is when I increase it

So THIS was the initial problem, the default sky and fog volume was set to automatic hitogram as default, setting exposure to fixed and around 13 resolved the issue.

So it works on my home PC. Now I'm trying to get it to work on a remote PC, that's the next step. On that I see nothing in scene after setup, not even white. I do get these errors about an API but not sure what to do with it.

[hidden flax]

Hey, I am trying to create a skybox with 6 faces (cubemap), and I tried using the Standard/URP way of creating it, which is 6 passes, each pass takes care of a face, I am using the same shader (converted to support HDRP), but it doesn't work there, I am trying to output the colors of the skybox based on the face ID (which is sent to the Fragment function from the pass that is rendered), and all the faces seems to be the same ID

Does HDRP stopped supporting this "feature" (was it even a feature with 6 passes?)?

[carmine orbit]

Also this

[digital scaffold]

guys I need help!

quick recap of the thing we have : 2 cameras - 1 Unity main cam, second one for video streaming - we have a real webcam texture on the renderer on the far plane of the second camera,so that it looks like the second camera streams the webcam and the Unity scene additivly. It has a poor perfomance

Now to the proposed solution (or sort of it)

We need a custom render feature (to be enabled on and off at the runtime)

so that the same "feel" could be achieved with only 1 camera

is it possibly and how to do it properly?

[digital scaffold]

By switching to the custom render pipeline you are switching the whole render process and shader language /features

It means - if you forget to switch to the right model/material - just one object on the scene

Your scene will crush the gpu

Same thing happens in builds when you switch one serialized type reference onto the other type - but the forgetting to set the new component - Missmath Type in your serialized reference - it will crush even if one reference in not of the right type

Try build incremental- separate scripts from the assets

Build incremental one scene with assets one by one - not everything at once

[drowsy prawn]

How can I change the colour of the post process bloom in URP?

Bloom bloom = postProcessVolume.profile.GetSetting<UnityEngine.Rendering.PostProcessing.Bloom>();

"The type or namespace name 'PostProcessing' does not exist in the namespace 'UnityEngine.Rendering' (are you missing an assembly reference?)"

And VolumeProfile does not contain a definition for GetSetting

[fiery marsh]

URP does not use the PostProcessing package/namespace. It just uses scripts found in UnityEngine.Rendering and UnityEngine.Universal. Example : #💥┃post-processing message

[drowsy prawn]

Perfect, works now. Thank you!

[inner parcel]

enlighten realtime gl is still in alpha stage for hdrp

would love to see it post release

check if unity version is the same or not
also mentioning which unity version and which hdrp version would be better
also try clearing cache folders like Library, Temp and reimport project if youre able to atleast start editor

even if you're talking about a build, its built using unity.
anyway are you guys using any DllImport stuff?

you can look up for the Player log to see whats wrong

2021.1?

look for something in player log

unity is a vast engine and anything could go wrong for anyone since no one knows whats inside the build

you can try out 2020.3 LTS to rule out engine bugs

[waxen lantern]

oh i forgot this is only in alpha / pre-release. thanks!

[ripe quail]

Are custom passes supposed to circumvent camera's culling masks?

I am working on a split screen multiplayer game and it seems that custom passes do exactly that... I need certain things to appear only on certain player's cameras

Oh my word... well... one solution, although not a great one, appears to be making the custom passes local instead of global, putting a 1e-05 radius sphere collider on it, and nesting it in the camera

I... don't think this is a great solution but it is a solution

[lofty ivy]

urp works on the scene but not in the game

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/497874004401586176/848641872209248316/unknown.png

Does it not apply to canvases?

[digital scaffold]

So what was it?

[lofty ivy]

Any clue why the post proccesing doesn't work?

[digital scaffold]

if you are using the custom renderpipeline - make sure to enable it under the render pipeline asset - e.g. Universal Pipeline asset

[lofty ivy]

It works on another scene

I just copied and pasted

[digital scaffold]

than add post process feature onto the main camera - it is a camera based feature

[lofty ivy]

Its already on

[digital scaffold]

when in runtime - can you clikc and preview if the feature is on or off on the main camera?

[lofty ivy]

wdym

[gloomy gale]

Could anyone help me with an issue I am having?

Having a hard time with shadows

I am working on a 2D project in URP. Unity Version 2020.3.9f1

I am using a Point Light 2D, and the sprite has a Shadow Caster 2D.

In the Scene View it looks decent, but in game it looks like crap.

Any help is much appreciated.

Thank you.

[bleak otter]

@ripe quail Depends on what you are trying to do, but one option could be messing with stuff on each Camera's OnPreRender and OnPostRender

[true zealot]

the game view is scaled 3.5x, so one would presume it would look the same as the scene view if it was scaled to 1

[glad tartan]

Is that Linux? Either way it seems your Graphics API is set to OpenGL and not DirectX 11, 12, Vulkan, or Metal (if you're on Mac) which are the only APIs that HDRP works with. Not sure whats up with your PC though to default to the craziest graphics APIs that HDRP doesn't support. So just change the API to one that works with HDRP, preferable DX11 if you're on PC (This works the best in terms of Performance), or the Graphics API for your OS.

[stone elm]

So, what's up with URP? Empty scene, forward renderer, no renderer features, no post processing, no lights, nothing fancy. Getting 10ms CPU spikes on desktop build for DoRenderLoop_Internal.. my actual scene with 3 renderer features (using stencil buffers) but no lights or post processing gets 20 or 30ms spikes. Is that just what URP is or is something very wrong with my setup?

[grizzled fractal]

My scene view goes fully gray whenever I use the HDRP, does anyone know hot to fix?

(My game view is completely black)

[stone elm]

Well, I updated from 2020.3.2 to 2020.3.10 (which updated urp from 10.4 to 10.5 I believe) and the spikes are magically gone, sooo, ignore what I said. Even if none of the change logs I found really said anything about performance

[dawn sorrel]

hello people, I have a problem that I will post in this video, and I can't solve it... I tried changing the camera's culling plane

[long wagon]

I tried putting the camera futher away... but it didn't work till I made the camera REALLY fat from the object
Don't forget this part as well.

[dawn sorrel]

will do, thanks for trying to help me

oh I thought we were in the other channel

[long wagon]

I would be solving it just experimenting and testing different assets to find out what's happening. But yea, someone might know the possible cause from experience.

[dawn sorrel]

the thing is, the actual case is worse, because the camera should have its position upper than in the video, in the video i just put it in the same place as its parent

@long wagon what happened to cinemachine channel , I can't see it

[long wagon]

@dawn sorrel Unroll the subcatigory or open server settings and toggle hide muted channels. (if it is on)

[dawn sorrel]

it was hidden thanks

also I have another question, is it possible for a camera to not see an object but will cast its shadows?

[long wagon]

Yes, I think culling accounts for possibly rendered shadows. Someone here might know.

[dawn sorrel]

any other way?

[dawn sorrel]

seriously people, anyone who can help with that problem , it is VERY APPRECIATED

[eternal laurel]

This might be a shot in the dark but if the hands are skinned their bounds might be wack and causing this. If they are skinned and you set them to update when offscreen what happens?

[dawn sorrel]

What do you mean

[eternal laurel]

Are the hands using a skinned mesh renderer?

[keen pivot]

is object motion blur already in HDRP or is it only currently planned for URP?

[dawn sorrel]

I'll check

[dawn sorrel]

Idk what that means

And sorry was busy irl

[dawn sorrel]

Yes.. Skinned mesh renderer

[elder merlin]

Try toggling 'Update when offscreen' and 'dynamic occlusion'

[dawn sorrel]

thanks will try

YES!!!

THANK YOU

Update when offscreen alone did the trick

14 hours

seriously thank you all @elder merlin @keen pivot @eternal laurel aaaaaand last but not least @long wagon 😄

[eternal laurel]

You need to fix your mesh. It should not be doing that.

[dawn sorrel]

what should I do to fix it, what is its problem

also the solution only works after I look down

when the hands show for the first time, that's when it will stay

[eternal laurel]

Not sure its only happened with cloth sims to me where the bounds of the mesh get really huge or small.

Its something to do with scales and how its imported

You should see a boundig box around your meah when you select the object

[dawn sorrel]

in the unity inspector?

[eternal laurel]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/SkinnedMeshRenderer-localBounds.html read this

[dawn sorrel]

thanks will do

and seriously I appreciate the help

[eternal laurel]

When you select the hands from the hierarchy you should see a box around them. If you dot see it its either very big or very tiny

[dawn sorrel]

do you mean i should just separate the hands in blender?

[eternal laurel]

Mm no but maybe during some animation the box will go crazy.

[dawn sorrel]

What's the solution to that

[eternal laurel]

Im not really sure. Perhaps during a animation a bone or a rogue vertex gets "flung" really far away that makes the bounding box huge and makes the camera think its not seeing the mesh anymore. Did you check how the bounding box behaves when the animations run ?

[true spoke]

Anyone knows how to access the current volume settings experienced by a camera in HDRP?

[dawn sorrel]

idk what you mean by the bonding box, but I looked from the inspector, every thing is in its place, only the camera wont show the hands... which is why I am now editing the blender file now, if it works then the problem was from the box in the last picture

[eternal laurel]

bounding box*

it is that box in the last picture

it expands or contracts to cover the entire mesh

look at the hands in the scene view when animations are playing

[dawn sorrel]

I did, they are in their place... like nothing is wrong

on the character on the left, I still had tolook down to get the hands shown in the beginning

[sudden comet]

my hdrp world seems like it's way too dark

all of the objects in the picture have materials

[outer carbon]

@digital scaffold Please don't spam crosspost.

[elfin aurora]

I need some help with occlusion culling

Objects behind walls get rendered

Can I somehow create an invisible object that is an occluder?

I tried this but didn't work

[dawn sorrel]

is there a way to make a particle system stop when hitting a collider

[dawn sorrel]

So, the URP thing can't actually have different volumes applied to different layers? e.g. I have 2x cameras in the scene. A base, B overlay(added to stack). On camera A i have bloom, chromatic ab, color correction, film grain etc., on the second one I only want to have bloom enabled and nothing else, but this is not possible the way I see it, not even if you apply the right culling and layers...

anyone found any kind of solution?

[waxen lantern]

it's been in HDRP already for a while

[waxen lantern]

truly physically based lighting and materials as used in HDRP takes some extra care to set up. it's likely that your intensity and/or exposure values need adjustment. i also recommend starting with the HDRP template as a reference https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@11.0/manual/Physical-Light-Units.html

[sudden comet]

okay thank you

[grizzled fractal]

since no one noticed me yesterday, I'll try again today

[rich spade]

perhaps a bit more context is required, is this a new project or existing etc.
Have you tried a new project with the HDRP template, does that work?
If not, is your computer or more specifically gfx card capable etc.

[grizzled fractal]

it's a completely fresh project.My computer has a 2070 so that shouldn't be a problem.

I have tried removing and installing the HDRP multiple times already

[rich spade]

have you followed the guide pinned to this channel for configuring HDRP?

[abstract cedar]

Where's the guide pinned in this channel?

[rich spade]

The documentation is not perfect but it should guide in right direction, with either SRP you need to ensure that you have created the correct RP assets and assigned them in Project Settings->Graphics. For HDRP there is a wizard tool which checks you have everything enabled, but it's not perfect for all situations. upgrading existing projects often requires a lot of manual adjustment / fix's.
https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@11.0/manual/Getting-started-with-HDRP.html

[abstract cedar]

Thx,I see

[keen pivot]

so to make sure i understand it correctly, object motion blur could mean i have a static camera, and move an object around quickly and have it blur (what i'd like to achieve)? or does it mean if i have a specific object and move the camera around, only those objects blur when the camera moves? (not what i'm trying to achieve)

[keen pivot]

looks like no, i think this is just the way i understood the terminology.

i thought OBJECT motion blur was a different thing

[iron flame]

Object motion blur (my edited URP)

Camera motion blur

camera motion blur. It does not know whether objects are fixed relative to camera. so if the camera is tracking an object. this way it will be blurry.

[keen pivot]

so in picture one, your camera is not moving?

the car is driving past a static camera?

[iron flame]

In both, camera follows the car and is moving.

[zealous dune]

Hi i'm using URP

On every launch of my project i have to consistently upgrade project materials

without fail everytime.

Otherwise everything is pink

Does anyone know a way for me to not have to go through this process everytime i launch the project

[keen pivot]

have you downgraded recently or something?

so it thinks they are wrong but in fact are newer

[zealous dune]

Project started as a URP project and i then added some assets from the asset store.

Everything is fine once upgraded.

But the problem has persisted since the start.

[dawn sorrel]

hey guys whats the best way to send vray max projects to unity hdrp without doing materials and textures ?

in unreal there is datasmith , i hope there is something for unity.

[warm hound]

hello.
HDRP has Camera-relative rendering and it really helps with floating point error in our project, but it doesnt seem to work with text or text mesh pro. is there a way to stop 3d text from jittering?

[waxen lantern]

yes, that's correct. object motion blur is distinct from camera motion blur. see this excerpt from the HDRP documentation:

HDRP can now render motion vectors. If you enabled object motion vectors, be aware that, by default, new Mesh Renderers write object motion vectors. To change this behavior, select the Mesh Renderer and, in the Inspector, change the value of the **Motion Vectors **property.
• Camera Motion Only: HDRP only calculates camera motion vectors for the area of the screen this GameObject fills.
• Per Object Motion: HDRP calculates motion vectors for this GameObject if:
The GameObject moves and the camera does not.
The camera moves and the GameObject does not.
Both the GameObject and the camera move.
• Force No Motion: HDRP does not calculate any motion vectors for the area of the screen this GameObject fills.
https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@11.0/manual/Motion-Vectors.html
https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@11.0/manual/Post-Processing-Motion-Blur.html

[lethal carbon]

@iron flame
I think that is the exact example I am looking for. 🙂

• There is a moving 3d character and the camera follow it.
• Only the surrounding background is applied with motion blur.
• motion blur not applied to characters.

You said edited URP, is this impossible in URP in a normal way?
Could you provide more detailed information?

[iron flame]

I applied the changes in this rp to my own URP package. but then i gave up on it. I no longer use per object motion blur. but the images are very close to it. I wrote a custom motion vector transition for car and wheel and added it to the camera motion blur effect.

so even if I give you my own local package, it won't work as you want.

Object Motion Blur is in the Planning section. You can provide feedback that this is critical.
https://portal.productboard.com/unity/1-unity-platform-rendering-visual-effects/c/133-post-processing-object-motion-blur

[lethal carbon]

@iron flame
Thank you.
Of course I thought this would be implemented. That's a surprise.
Based on what's posted on the 2020 Jul...
It seems difficult to expect this to happen.
Anyway, i'll send a critical request...

[iron flame]

forgot to add this.
https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/tree/urp/motion-vectors

I guess there was no support for skinned mesh.

[exotic fable]

Hello

My scene spot lights stopped working all of a sudden

Any possible troubleshooting strategies?

HDRP

they were in realtime. I switched them to baked (and tried to bake them) and then they stopped working. I switched them to realtime and they continue not to work

point lights work though

[eternal laurel]

Clear your baked data

Lights should reset

[indigo summit]

aw. . . ProbeVolume are not included in alpha19 😦

[iron flame]

included

[indigo summit]

wait this one ?

[iron flame]

yes it shows warning but it works.

[indigo summit]

how do i bake it?

in V1 there's a bake button in the component

[iron flame]

Baked with Progressive Lightmapper.

[indigo summit]

hmm lemme try it

[iron flame]

Probe Volume 🙂

[indigo summit]

Hmm. . . . why i got no GI at all

ambient still black

[indigo summit]

Hmm i don't think it's the latest version as in github

[indigo summit]

@iron flame any chance you can confirm probe volume are included? maybe it's just me being dumb

[abstract cedar]

Hey. I'm new to shader. I followed the tutorial on YouTube

It basically use screen depth subtract screen position

Idk why uses this

does the screen position mean all mesh vertex?Then what does screen depth mean?

[waxen lantern]

i recommend moving this to the #archived-shaders channel. and post a link to the youtube tutorial you followed along with your question.

[regal tulip]

Hi, so i am using URP and I just started learning Terrain. I had just added trees, but the only problem is when a tree goes to the side of the view, the tree disappears before it is fully of the screen. When I look up, the tree disappears when the bottom of it hits the bottom of the tree. How do I fix this? I have also baked occulusion culling.

Nevermind, figured it out. I added a capsule collider to the tree prefab and fit it to the tree and it fixed this problem.

[signal osprey]

is there a way to freeze the render of a camera that's in a stack without using rendertexture and one big quad?

[spiral ginkgo]

can someone tell me what this means in URP? I didn't get it in older versions of unity
Reduced additional punctual light shadows resolution by 2 to make 114 shadow maps fit in the 4096x4096 shadow atlas. To avoid this, increase shadow atlas size, decrease big shadow resolutions, or reduce the number of shadow maps active in the same frame
I'm constantly getting these logs

[spiral ginkgo]

could this also be related to getting slightly less fps than previous versions, at least in the editor

[spiral ginkgo]

hm guessing the fps must be something else. anyone know why this would happen when upgrading from 2020 to 2021 and urp 10.2.2 to 11.0.0
the lower fps one is the 2021 one.

this is the exact same scene, litterally copy pasted the project and converted it to 2021

how can just upgrading to a new version increase the tris, verts, and shadow casters? very strange?

[dawn sorrel]

Oh damn, forward+ got merged into URP????

[inner parcel]

its still in progress
https://portal.productboard.com/unity/1-unity-platform-rendering-visual-effects/tabs/3-universal-render-pipeline

[dawn sorrel]

I know, but it's at least there in a glitchy barely working state 😳

[dawn sorrel]

@spiral ginkgohey

the lower fps one has higher vert and tres count ?

did you notice it, so some objects didnt load on second one.

[spiral ginkgo]

@dawn sorrel yes i noticed it. but can you tell me why?

is there some changes that makes the newer versions draw more objects in the same situations when compared to the old ones?

[dawn sorrel]

@spiral ginkgoits be cuz the second one didnt import some models , are you missing some prefabs ?

[spiral ginkgo]

@dawn sorrel no. its the other way around, the one with the higher poly count is the copied one

anyway i did more testing and it seems the performance seems to actually be the same or almost the same, the stats showing much higher poly counts is still happening though. I wonder if perhaps they just changed the stats algorithm or something.

[dawn sorrel]

hey whats most stable unity version for hdrp dxr ?

[hidden flax]

Hey, I am trying to render a 3D object on top of the UI, I am using HDRP for that, I tried the Graphics Compositor which doesn't seem to work (+ found a lot of bugs in it).

Camera Stacking is not in HDRP, Custom Pass doesn't let me tell Unity to render it after the UGUI pass, and I am not sure if editing a new shader for this would work (it could, if i'll pass a mask texture or use stencil, but I don't know how will Unity behave when its in two different render passes)

Any idea how to achieve this effect in HDRP?

[sterile cairn]

Have there been any significant updates to the 2D URP since 2019.4.16f1?

Namely things like shadow casters

[sterile mesa]

What is the smallest resolution a modern gaming card can hit?

x/y

I know 1024 was the 1992 standard

I mean what is the smallest resolution modern video cards/monitors do out of the highest resolution cards can do.

Basically I'm trying to NGUI anchor a full screen

and I don't want it to be bigger than someone's best resolution.

Guess it is: 1920 x 1080

And it goes up from there, cool cool

Thanks guys, I'm in and out

[waxen lantern]

Find in Page: 2D https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.universal@12.0/changelog/CHANGELOG.html

[waxen lantern]

what version of Unity are you using? in any case, you can render a 3D object on top of UI if you use a suitable injection point, e.g. Before Post Process

HDRP renders UI during the transparent pass, before post-processing. This means that you need to create Custom Passes and custom Post Processes to achieve typical visual effects for UI.
https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@11.0/manual/UI-Best-Practices.html

@hidden flax See the Custom Pass Injection Point doc as well here that includes this diagram of the HDRP frame graph: https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@11.0/manual/Custom-Pass-Injection-Points.html

[sterile cairn]

ah damn, thanks. i didn't even think of the changelog

[waxen lantern]

using fixed resolutions when placing or anchoring UI elements is unnecessary and discouraged for most use cases, in favor of a responsive UI that scales relative to any resolution. but it's not a fitting topic for the render pipelines channel here anyway, better suited for #📲┃ui-ux or NGUI's own support forum

[elfin crown]

Hello everyone! I'm currently trying to learn creating artstyles for my game and improve my skills on making my game look good.
So I recently played Divinity original sin and I really liked the style and I analyzed it. I started trying to recreate one scene that I took a screenshot of to see if I understand what the process is.

Here is the screenshot that I took from Divinity Original Sin:

In Unity I first tried to recreate the scene with some assets that I got from the asset store (so does not look exactly the same obviously). Here is my scene currently

and I'm working with URP and as you can see the overall rendering is really different

I wanted to ask what I need to improve/change in order to get a similar rendering to Divinity. One thing I noticed is that the objects have a contact shadow (or maybe it's just the ambient occlusion). I baked global illuminations and I only used a very small amount of post process effects

Is it even smart to use URP for that? Would it be way better to use HDRP?

would be great if I could get some tips and help on how to improve my result

[turbid matrix]

@woven sonnet been meaning to ask for a while, is this old diagram still valid for HDRP 12 Render Graph? https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.render-pipelines.high-definition@12.0/manual/images/HDRP-frame-graph-diagram.png

also it does feel "wrong" that the image is titled frame graph diagram when HDRP doesn't have frame graph anymore?

[long wagon]

Assets are much more detailed in the original, they have a lot of built-in shadows. I think only difference in actual rendering here could be matched with post processing to create similar color tone.

[elfin crown]

What exactly do you mean by built in shadows? Does the shader of the objects allow increasing the amount of shadows the objects has (such as self shadow etc.)? So is that a matter of shader to recreate the shadows? Because my scene has just a small amount of shadows

[long wagon]

Built-in as in drawn on the texture. You can see there ambient occlusion is not present where objects meet the ground, but it is everywhere on the models. So it's texture not rendering.

[elfin crown]

oh I see

[woven sonnet]

It's still valid, RenderGraph didn't changed the pass order or the pass culling we had before (if the feature is disabled in HDRP asset, we don't do the pass). The main gain right now is memory, because we manage correctly the lifetime of the resources in our passes. Note that with the RendererList changes, we now have a better dynamic pass culling, but it still don't change the diagram 🙂

also it does feel "wrong" that the image is titled frame graph diagram when HDRP doesn't have frame graph anymore?
IIRC, Render Graph was called like this before we rename it. Yes, we should rename the image.

[hot vale]

Anyone know how to enable "...the NVIDIA native package on the package manager"? (full quote: Graphics: Added: Unity.External.NVIDIA APIs to expose NVIDIA-specific plugin functionality (for controlling DLSS and other features). These APIs are available by enabling the NVIDIA native package on the package manager.)

lol after a few hours of looking around, and literally minutes after posting above, I found it. Directions here for anyone curious: https://github.com/Unity-Technologies/Graphics/pull/3484

[next crystal]

Why is my skybox not working in URP? It just ends up showing black and whatever gets rendered on it doesnt get cleared

[hollow elbow]

A HDAdditionalLightData light can set its intensity, but cant find the parameter of temperature in code, HDRP 11.0. anyone know it?

[spice sparrow]

im at a loss with this

im on URP

yes im calling camera.render but idk what else i should do instead

i HAVE to call it

i found this but i have no idea how to implement it

[rich spade]

for URP you probably want to look into Custom render feature, depending on use case requirement. But as you've not mentioned what your trying to achieve, just a guess 😉

[spice sparrow]

@rich spade i was trying to render a single frame manually, but ive figured it out now

{
        UniversalRenderPipeline.RenderSingleCamera(context, portalCam);
RenderPipeline.beginCameraRendering -= UpdateCamera;
}```

whenever i want to render a frame i do RenderPipeline.beginCameraRendering += UpdateCamera;

which could be shortened into a Render() function probably

and at the top i need using UnityEngine.Rendering; using UnityEngine.Rendering.Universal; using RenderPipeline = UnityEngine.Rendering.RenderPipelineManager;

[jade drift]

hey guys im having a problem with post pro in my 2d project
im using WLRP
and i tried all the solutions that i found online and none work for me
hope if you face the problem or might have an answer you can ping me
thx alot 💙

yay

[unborn vapor]

I have a question about pipelines.

We are making music asset packs and it asks which pipelines it is compatible for. It's just WAV files, so would it be compatible for all pipelines?? Please ping or DM, thankyou. 🙂

The asset pack is released for "built-in" and we're keeping it that way until we know it's safe to check the rest of the boxes for additional pipelines.

[spice sparrow]

ouch

[main panther]

Working in HDRP and I'm replacing the base texture of a material in script. Works completely fine in the editor, but in the standalone build I get this:
Material 'Standard (Instance)' with Shader 'Standard' doesn't have a texture property '_BaseColorMap'

[eternal laurel]

I would say that sound files have nothing to do with the render pipelines so its safe to mark it as compatible with all.

[unborn vapor]

@eternal laurel Thankyou for your help. 🙂

[next crystal]

is URP and SRP the same thing?

[bleak otter]

No, SRP is a framework of sorts for creating render pipelines. Unity ships with 2 pipelines, URP and HDRP.

[next crystal]

so SRP package can be safely removed if im using the URP?

[bleak otter]

I would expect that URP and HDRP would depend on SRP, but I haven't looked into it

[next crystal]

yup apparently urp has dependencies on the library

in fact, urp has quite a lot of dependencies....like physics, shader graph, physics(but not physics 2d somehow)

[bleak otter]

Yea I recall there being discussion about physics being a dependency. It might be some really minor thing that you can get rid of and probably something Unity should make optional

[inland halo]

Hi, I'm running into troubles with unity's HDRP not working. I can't seem to get the upgrade project materials feature to work. It only actually upgrades when I use the upgrade selected materials. Also sprites just won't render at all now which is a bit of a problem as well, not sure what I'm doing wrong here

[next crystal]

the packages should have a bit less dependencies; some things make no sense - if i want to get rid of imgui, i should be able to keep the damn ugui, no?

[trim bone]

@next crystal wonder if that dependency is as simple as needing the BoxCollider for the postprocessing volumes

[next crystal]

Does it need it? even if its a 2d one?

not sure if 2d can interact with 3d colliders

but if it doesnt, why isnt the 2d variant a dependency

[trim bone]

I dont touch 2d so not sure about that but for 3d yeah thats how it goes, if you want a local volume you need a physx collider attached to your postprocessing gameobject. seems a bit shoddy imo

[next crystal]

they couldve just disabled the post processing if its that the only dependency and just have a little message what it needs

[spring heath]

What's that, Unity? Timmy's stuck in a well?

Unity: "I'll take an L, Pat."

[true zealot]

My shadergraph permanently looks like this

Zoom right in and it's still crunchy

[spring heath]

that letter's a texture quad

you can see all the texture quads

[long wagon]

Have not tried 2020.3, I think it's fine on 2020.2 I have last installed and latest alpha I'm using.

[next crystal]

im running 2021.1.10f1 myself, seems fine; even the annoying loading bar every time i press play in the editor seems to be gone

[spring heath]

if you choose anything from a dropdown in the Graph Inspector, the graph inspector gloms onto your cursor and goes for a ride until your next click

UX Guy: YOU HAD ONE JOB

[spring heath]

with HLSL, we get Cull Front, Cull Back, and Cull None. Why do we only get Cull Back and Cull None?

Did they forget something? I keep finding crucial missing features!
I've had the rug pulled out from under my feet so many times they might as well place carpeting on a treadmill for me to sprint backwards on

[random jackal]

heh, well, the tool still gets better and better over time. The changes in the past 2 years have been epic

still, yeah, there are some surprisingly ground-level things they skipped over while they were busy giving us some of the really advanced stuff

no "reflect" node is surprising

[floral pagoda]

Trying to diagnose why ComputeShader.DispatchIndirect is not being called (according to renderdoc) on a Radeon 5870 and (I think also) a GeForce 1050Ti, whereas on a GTX 980 it IS being called. I'm struggling to find any info on how to investigate this further. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?
(edit): using standard render pipeline, but these are compute shaders
(edit2): on 2020.3.11f1 LTS and newer versions, I haven't tried older versions of unity

renderdoc saves comparing the working vs non-working states:

[dawn sorrel]

Is there anyone here familiar with Ray Tracing in HDRP?

Just curious, I have a 6800 XT. Enabled RT and i'm noticing when I use RT Global Illumination the CPU bogs down. I thought it was supposed to be for GPU not CPU? Or does the GI its self do a lot of CPU work? I've noticed it's only GI that does this.

[scarlet hull]

Hum, all the raytracing effects are using nvidia RTX, so require at least a gtx 1060 6gb card.

[dawn sorrel]

They work with the 6800 XT. Just for some reason GI is done on the CPU. RT Reflections and such work perfectly fine. (E.G. - Can look straight down at a puddle and it reflects the ceiling above)

[scarlet hull]

There might be a small cpu overhead (after all, it's adding more commands), but it's done on GPU

[dawn sorrel]

Yeah it's going to like 45 ms on CPU lol

This is on the sample scene - perhaps there's some strange thing with sample scene.

Or perhaps simply it's like docs say - only nVidia cards are 'officially' supported and AMD is neglected lol

Works but eh lol

[scarlet hull]

I'm trying to gather information, but to be honest, we're lacking testing raytracing on AMD hardware

[dawn sorrel]

Yeah I hear ya, if ya have any questions I might can help ya with, with information gathering let me know.

[floral pagoda]

Update to my query above (#archived-hdrp message) - also observe the black screen bug on a Ryzen 5 3600/RX580 machine Miscommunication, it works on this machine!

[vale cedar]

Is it using the same API?

[floral pagoda]

all DX11, exact same shader

[vale cedar]

Make sure that the dispatch indirect parameters are actually inside the buffer

you can inspect resources in renderdoc

if I may ask, what is the reason for dispatch indirect? Only real use I've had for it yet was particle systems and some multi stage culling 😛

but it may just aswell be a driver bug

especially if it works on one machine but not on the other

[floral pagoda]

I'm raymarching with a wave-front setup. I generate a ray per pixel up front in one kernel, pass these to a pathing kernel, then shade these, and generate reflections as required and cycle through for the number of reflection depths

In between each cycle, I need to know how many rays I have to compute in the next pass and I keep all of that on the GPU instead of shuttling it backwards and forwards

new update, miscommunication, it works as expected on the RX580/3600G, so it's just the 1050Ti and 5870 so far to work out

[waxen root]

Not sure where best to ask this, is there any way to have positional based fog rather than camera based?

eg. I have an area with a bunch of blocks, and after a certain distance from 0,0,0 in any direction they start to fade into the fog?
So I can move around within that spherical volume and the fog isn't based on where the camera is
With current fog, if the camera is at 0,0,0 the effect would be correct, but as soon as you move away from 0,0,0 the fog moves with you since it's camera based.

So from top down the fog I would want would be based around a central point in the scene

With the camera free to move around

Whereas the standard fog option moves with the camera

[sweet vault]

How do I use compute shaders in URP?

on render image doesnt work and i tried using this prject https://github.com/ryanslikesocool/URP-Compute where i copied the code exactly but when i add the render feature nothing happens

This is my code https://pastebin.com/bhFF4XgE
Again it works in the project from git hub even with my code but not in my own project. What settings am i missing?

[broken lichen]

In forward rendering, fog is calculated per-object in each shader. With a custom shader, you can change that fog calculation to be the distance to some arbitrary point you pass into the shader instead of the camera.

This means the entire scene would have to use your custom shaders however

[waxen root]

Do you know of any resources that give further info on this?
ahhh, even objects within the center area of the fog? Or would they be able to use regular shaders?

[broken lichen]

Are those objects always going to be in the center area of the fog?

[waxen root]

ie. things that will never get close enough to the fog 'wall'

Yeah

[broken lichen]

Then they can use regular shaders

[waxen root]

Cool that should be doable I think, does this require shader code or is it possible via shadergraph?

[broken lichen]

It should be doable in Shader Graph, but it's probably not possible to disable the default fog implementation, so you'd have to Unity's fog and do something custom

You could either hardcode the fog parameters in the shader or pass them from script using Shader.SetGlobal____

[waxen root]

Cool this is useful info, I'll start looking into it and see what I can accomplish, thanks 🙂

[spring aurora]

Is Dynamic resolution working on windows standalone?
Followed the https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/DynamicResolution.html documentation, which says it should work, but it does not in my case. Most likely missing a setting which is not in the documentation and ScalableBufferManager.ResizeBuffers does not do anything and the camera (set like in documentation) returns allowDynamicResolution as false.

Tried both on builtin and URP pipelines. For the URP I tested in 2020.3.11f1 and 2021.1.10f1.

[cursive depot]

Question, so i Upgraded a 2d project to URP and now my skyboxes arnt working

I made sure that the skybox was compatible and then applyed the material in the lighting menu

[next crystal]

Do i need something special for having a 6-sided texture skybox in URP when switching from the legalcy RP? It seems its bugged

[spring heath]

go home RenderObjects.cs you're drunk

[spring heath]

sounds like you need a fog cylinder

or a circular mask

Your initial pass would be a fogless pass.
You blit that into a render texture (Clean Pass)
Then you can apply fog the whole thing
You then use the RenderObjects pass to render a circular object with a shader that blits that clean pass on top

[cursive depot]

^ same problem as me

[floral pagoda]

https://forum.unity.com/threads/computeshader-dispatchindirect-not-called-on-some-hardware.1123213/
I've reached the limit of my debugging abilities so far on this and need some help with where to look next. I can see roughly what is happening but have no clue as to why!

[floral pagoda]

^^ RESOLVED, linked thread contains the details if anyone else has this issue

[chrome locust]

Try vulkan. DRS for URP only works on vulkan , and not all graphics cards.
DRS on HDRP is more complete. Hope that helps.

[spring aurora]

Will check it out. Thank you. I think my gfx can handle it (ori and the will of the wisp has it working and is done with Unity)

[random violet]

Does anyone know how to remove to line between each "dirt with grass" cube?

[static locust]

Does anyone know if there's a way of avoiding PostProcessing volumes from stacking?
basically what i want is to have the local volumes be the only volumes active, when a camera is inside them, i dont want them to be stacked on top of the global one

[broken lichen]

Looks like realtime shadow artifacts. Do you need realtime shadows?

[random violet]

yes i guess?

[broken lichen]

Take a look at this page
https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/ShadowPerformance.html

[silk wadi]

My cube object became invisible when I upgraded the project to the universal render pipeline.(I chose the Lit material for my cube)

How can I fix this?

[analog meteor]

is there a way (in urp) that i can render a specific layer of object over another specific layer of object?

for example, i have this fake decal shader i found online

it fakes decals by rendering within the bounds of a cube

whatever other object goes inside that cube gets covered by the decal

i want some items to not be able to be covered by the decal

so render on top of only that object, cause i dont want the other object to render through walls

[unborn mountain]

Hey,
I have recently been doing some exploration and research in the SRP world. I have decided to write my own custom Scriptable Render Pipeline and after I got everything working, I thought it would be cool to have a working ShaderGraph with my Custom SRP.
I soon figured out that I am unable to set the "Active Target" under the settings in shader graph.

I also searched the web for some documentation or tutorials on how to get shader graph working with your custom SRP, but didn't find any.

Has anyone tried this and got it to work? I presume I somehow need to define the master node for shader graph so it knows how to construct the shader? Thanks in advance! 🙂

[heavy summit]

what is the most efficient way to use material property block when I'm only gonna change the material at start and never during frame updates? I saw somewhere that I shouldn't use PerRendererData, that's why I ask.

[unborn mountain]

You can check out this script. It holds one static reference to a MaterialPropertyBlock instance and is reused across different renderers - https://pastebin.com/uaiKjVxk
Attach this to a few different renderers using the same material and you can set different colors for each one without any overhead. Beware, this breaks the batching process.

[unborn mountain]

Also, regarding the mentioned [PerRendererData] . As far as I am aware, this is only used to grey-out / disable a shader property visually, indicating it is controlled through a MaterialPropertyBlock. You can still change it manually through material in the code though 🙂

[heavy summit]

Thanks!

nevermind, just read it here

[unborn mountain]

If you have SRP batching enabled, you can also have different materials with the same shader and still have all those objects batched.

[delicate creek]

Hey, I'm making a game and I recently decided to start using URP, which broke all my trees (which I fixed) and makes fog work differently than it used to...