division-universe

[gaunt ice]

take the L bro

[torn shoal]

i mean, is that surprising that a main bad guy is stupid ?

[gaunt ice]

“hur he can he just didnt do so because he’s stupid”?????

[torn shoal]

have you seen anderson ?

have you seen mcmanus

have you seen half the bad guys ?

[gaunt ice]

so your logic is that the bad guy IS stupid by default therefore what Ellis did makes sense?

[torn shoal]

the writers arent some 5d chess players too btw

[gaunt ice]

or its just a massive plot hole you’re trying to justify

[torn shoal]

there is no plot hole tho ?

[gaunt ice]

or, and hear me out
he was a fraud all along

[torn shoal]

whats your proof ?

[gaunt ice]

Ellis has power over Division yet did not execute them

[torn shoal]

if isaac says he is president, why would you doubt that

[gaunt ice]

so he’s a stupid donut, its a big plot hole, OR he has no power

[torn shoal]

if he isnt president, why would bt care about him ?

[gaunt ice]

cite me where ISAC says you need to capture him

[torn shoal]

if he has 0 power who cares about him ?

[gaunt ice]

he’s a puppet raised by them

[torn shoal]

faye manhunt ?

[gaunt ice]

why care about McManus then?he’s not next in line

[gaunt ice]

cite the line

[torn shoal]

literally the objective given by isac on top of the screen, also the entire dialogue with manny ?

idk man, why would he be a puppet ?

a puppet for what purpose ?

he has 0 power

he was held by heynas for what purpose ?

this make 0 sense and completely nullify 50% of the campaing and manhunts

if you disagree with me and have another theory thats fine, true or false, but please, dont act like we are stupid

[gaunt ice]

they’d push him to be the legitimate president despite that not being true?that he was the last official alive therefore justifying his position?

[torn shoal]

if he is the last oen alive, he is legitimate tho

[gaunt ice]

they’re a bunch of crackheads and they pulled some random guy out of the wreckage who claims to be President

[gaunt ice]

last KNOWN to be alive

[torn shoal]

yes thats how gov work, if you're presumed dead, nobody will have you as president

[gaunt ice]

well technically last until they invent McManus anyway but eh

[torn shoal]

so until you find someone higher in the chain, you're stuck with ellis

[gaunt ice]

ISAC doesn’t recognise his power tho

[torn shoal]

it does, thats why we couldnt kill him

isaac is literally coded to obey president

[gaunt ice]

its in our interest to take Ellis alive, not that ISAC stops us from killing Ellis btw

[gaunt ice]

and yet he didn’t tell ISAC to disband the Division or tag them al as rogues, strange

[torn shoal]

its not in our interest, our interest is to have him dead

[gaunt ice]

its almost as if he cant

[torn shoal]

cause he didnt receive the order ?

almost as if ellis was stupid to side with bt in the first place

[gaunt ice]

he was in the white house for like 1/4th of the game bruh

[torn shoal]

yeah, to prepare for bt arrival

get them the antiviral

[gaunt ice]

even if he wanted to side with BT he definitely should’ve had the power to legitimise BT’s position

he didn’t

he cant

[torn shoal]

he coudlnt do that yet

bt wasnt in power

[gaunt ice]

couldn’t do that yet or ever

[torn shoal]

just relisten to the audio logs

[glad spruce]

Or maybe Chairs is an annoying goddamned moralist

[torn shoal]

wasnt that already acknowledged ?

people really confuse morality with legality

[gaunt ice]

they couldn’t recover him from Division

they need him to take the briefcase first

[torn shoal]

almost as if he was president and not some random guy that said he was president

[glad spruce]

So?

[torn shoal]

xd

[glad spruce]

Chairs, you have an annoying obsession of wanting characters to be smart

[torn shoal]

and in div, they def are everything but smart

[gaunt ice]

i forgot whats in the briefcase
my point is that he’s either a nitwit or its a massive writing oversight(just to assume that people are gonna think he’s stupid to slide)
OR, he has no real power to begin with

[torn shoal]

you still didnt say why he would have 0 real power

[glad spruce]

Access to the BSAV facility under the White House

[torn shoal]

beside he isnt ellis

[gaunt ice]

he has no power over Division thats my point

[torn shoal]

he is president, he has power over everything

thats litterally the role of president

[gaunt ice]

didn’t use it on Division though

[torn shoal]

eithe he is president and has the power, or he isnt, but you gotta prove he isnt

[gaunt ice]

its almost as if he doesn’t

[torn shoal]

so again

prove he isnt president

[gaunt ice]

he’s stupid then

[torn shoal]

if you cant prove he isnt president, after all thoses years, thats cause he is

even flat earthers have less weird theories xd

[gaunt ice]

so we’re just all gonna collectively agree that Ellis is as dumb as a rock

[torn shoal]

or better yet

we can agree he is poorly written

same as half the people in this game

[gaunt ice]

that at least we can agree

so we cool then?

[torn shoal]

hold on, if you agree with me you gonna get the end of the world coming

thats no good

[gaunt ice]

nah as long as we dont talk politics ig we cool

[torn shoal]

aight

[gaunt ice]

🫂

[glad spruce]

I just remembered that tomorrow's the update, so this week's Descent/Manhunt comm is gonna be a little later

[wild crag]

My bad I got busy

I think ultimately it would be possible for the government/black tusk to label the division as rogue as a tactic to get people to turn on them

And then we get a choice of “do you stay in line and follow their orders to keep your watch orange, or do you do the right thing”

[sick lantern]

so… why didn’t they

ellis is either brain dead, or couldn’t

[wild crag]

Well I guess it just hasn’t gotten to that point idk

I came into the game late so I missed all of the seasons while they were happening

But to my understanding it seems like the division is currently just on its own with nobody to report to

So like, what’s the goal now

[sick lantern]

it changes nothing

spent the whole first game and a good amount of the second with no presidential oversight

the majority of the second actually

the SHD is an autonomous agency capable of carrying out its mission in a variety of circumstances in which normal chains of command or support networks are incapacitated

[wild crag]

Yeah but we’re supposed to be preserving the government but the government has either decayed or betrayed us in some way

So aside from stopping stuff like Keener’s terrorism what’s the end goal for us now

Does the JTF become a new government faction that holds power in the US or do we just maintain the status quo as long as we can

[sick lantern]

un-f__k the USA so ppl stop dying in the streets, is the first and foremost objective

[wild crag]

Right but there’s absolutely no infrastructure anymore

[sick lantern]

having a functional government comes after that

[wild crag]

I’m not trying to be a doomer I’m just struggling to see a positive endgame in all of this

I mean obviously they can write in whatever

But at this current moment it seems pretty bleak

[sick lantern]

two people in the government* have betrayed the SHD, and one of them’s dead, and one of them has limited influence in remaining government institutions
remaining institutions such as the JTF (and if the presence of supply drops is anything to go by, the Air Force lol), and the remnants of most legitimate organisations such as the Molossi, are more or less aligned with or cooperating with the SHD

[wild crag]

I haven’t heard of the molossi

It’s pretty hard to keep track of all the story stuff since I came in late lol

The manhunt replays don’t really explain much

[waxen sonnet]

The Molossi are a Militia/PMC Styled organisation featured in Thomas Parott's "Tom Clancy's The Division: Compromised" Novel, and a little bit in It's follow on Book "Hunted", Lead by a former Colonel, the Molossi function as a Private Military Company come Security force, Protecting an still functioning Oil Refinery from The Reborn, another faction in the book which are Ecological extremists who believe against any modern technology that damages the planet

Fortunately for you, they're only so far mentioned in very slim passing in the game, so you're ok to learn more about them at a later date!

[wild crag]

I see

[ornate gull]

What about... iirc there are logistics group that transports good through highway call Hoarder

[stiff sparrow]

I know, but think about it. Stalker, and Resident Evil got their own events, and their not a Ubisoft title. I just think we got screwed.

[sick lantern]

Freighties- good lorry drivers
Roamers- evil lorry drivers who are basically loan sharks for vital supplies

[waxen sonnet]

To add, despite being in the books, they're referenced in game too:

Freighties are mentioned to help bring supplies into DC For the settlements, I think if I recall correctly they're mentioned by Eva during Propaganda broadcasts.

Roamers are mentioned during the General Anderson Manhunt, in a Collectible during that season we learn they loosely work with the BTSU, shipping supplies for them, seemingly taking payment in shipments of Spice.

[sudden mortar]

Do you know if the comic books have something important to the lore? Like that ||"mantis"|| that is mentioned on one of agent Johnson comms

[stiff sparrow]

Does anyone know where the supply drops come from, or are they just a game mechanic?

[ornate gull]

Supply drop in Div1 are from SHD as i know

Which is why Cleaner,Rioter,LMB,Riker have hard time cracking it open

It also self destruct when Agent retrieved them

[stiff sparrow]

What about in Div2 because, anyone can open them now?

[wild crag]

I guess it’s possible to just brute force the crates open

Or maybe SHD tech from dead agents has circulated enough that enemy factions can open the crates

[stiff sparrow]

I’m gonna go with the force open possibility because your average squad of Hyenas are not going to take down an average Division Agent.

[wild crag]

the hyenas actually kill two of the agents we see die in the game lol

for a bunch of crackheads they're surprisingly adept

[stiff sparrow]

But they’re no match for us.

[stiff sparrow]

Let’s do some speculation here. Could anyone imagine if the Hunters were their own faction, and they also left McManus?

[gaunt ice]

a severely undergeared agent with no tech and outnumbered that doesnt have plot armor

its almost free

[sick lantern]

Mantis was a BT operative involved in their support of an LMB remnant in NYC, she got captured so Wyvern assassinated her so she wouldn’t talk
this was in the Extremis Malis comic which takes place between Division 1 and 2, featuring Johnson, Caleb Dunne and Heather Ward, it ends with them arriving in DC in response to the signal (as portrayed in the cinematic trailer)

[wild crag]

honestly they'd probably just be guns for hire

[wild crag]

reminds me of that agent you save from the outcasts

she’s like “help me I’m defenseless” like she isn’t a division agent

[gaunt ice]

tech support team bruh

[torn shoal]

i mean a lot of agents have died vs worse opponents

[glad spruce]

Ah, dammit

[sudden mortar]

This manhunt comm: upload

||Theo tells Keener that the simulation is a bit choppy, but the simulation is still realistic enough to not look like a simulation. And Keener says that he need ISAC to make sure the area is secured so Theo can take on "big boss".||

[sudden mortar]

Now it's a race to the nemesis, Arabic cat

[waxen sonnet]

You beat me by 12 minutes

||So we're baiting someone into a trap after all||

[opal oar]

To all of my fellow Division Agents, which AI do you think is best? ISAC or ANNA? Personally I’m an ISAC fan.

[glad spruce]

ANNA

[waxen sonnet]

ISAC Supremacy and I will die on that Hill

[opal oar]

Interesting

[opal oar]

Do you trust ISAC?

[glad spruce]

Descent Comm, Log 78 titled Birdie.

||Aaron Keener asks Bridgette Douglas about recruiting Birdie Malik. Douglas thinks its a bad idea cuz while she's briliant, she has no filter and her adopted brother Vikram being an a-hole. And Natalya Sokolova loves Birdie, that she'd go any measures to take her back. In addition, Douglas informs Keener that Birdie was sent to the Castle by Manny, so that was during the events of Y5S2.||

||Keener decides that maybe its best to not recruit Birdie nor Vik, with Douglas remarking Vik as a complete a-hole||

[waxen sonnet]

***Manhunt: Shades of Red - 03/12/2024 Weekly Scout 6 Collectible "Upload" Complete Script ***

||Theo Parnell: It's a little choppy, the movements aren't as natural as I would like, but as long as there are enough other visual disturbances, I don't think anyone would know its a simulation, not a person trying to kill them,||

||Aaron Keener: As long as they have the contact||

||Theo Parnell: Yeah, anyone else will just think you're high as **||

||Aaron Keener: Just another reason to make sure ISAC has you secure the area before you take on the, uh, "big boss".||

[sudden mortar]

Damn it, 😫 not fast enough...

[glad spruce]

Well, I started Descent before you, so there's that 😛

[waxen sonnet]

||We are so using the Descent to trick someone into an ambush aren't we folks,||

||Unless its us 👀 ||

[glad spruce]

||More likely, Nat and her Black Tusk||

[waxen sonnet]

|| I Wanna go extremely left field crazy and say, Calvin Mcmanus||

[opal oar]

In my opinion, I think we should keep gathering intel on both Theo and ANNA to find out what their true motives are.

[glad spruce]

That's why we're doing the Scouts. We're following Theo's trail while learning more behind the scenes and try to ascertain his agenda

[opal oar]

Exactly

[sudden mortar]

I wonder if is gonna be a comm about ||Keener and Bridgette discussing if they should recruit the Sheriff||

[stiff sparrow]

ISAC hands down. ISAC is a classic.

[opal oar]

Agreed 100%

[glad spruce]

||Glancing at the locked comms gives a brief description of the comms for a milisecond. And they mostly involve Keener and Bridgette discuss recruiting members of the Castle settlement that we rescued back in Year 5 (I.e Mari, Cindy, John Yazzie, Eva Garcia, Jack/Mel Arnold, Mitchell Billings, etc...)||

Although, I do think this week's Descent comm ||confirms Bridgette Douglas survived the assault from SHD Agents back in Season 4 using the simulation technology that Theo Parnell tweaked||

[sudden mortar]

|| on my game, they are just testing the warhounds on the next three descent comms||

[glad spruce]

Oh, those? They were released back in Y5S3

[sudden mortar]

|| Running, Stairs and Evolution comms?||

[glad spruce]

Yes

[sudden mortar]

Didn't complete those back in that season.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, you missed out

[waxen sonnet]

Oh god not again.

[sudden mortar]

Hornet's syndrome again

[glad spruce]

Honestly speaking? They ||wouldn't' have featured Viper this much since Y5S3 if she wasn't gonna return||

[waxen sonnet]

||I think I'll disagree on that, They Just chose Viper as a returning VA to get a better elaboration of how keener Understands BTSU/Hunters Operations from the sidelines||

[glad spruce]

||Fine, disagree all you want. I don't care||

[marble dawn]

Wonder if ||Trig is alive as well. As much as I hate these resurrections they've been doing I might forgive that one.
They should've let Faye and Scheffer whatshisname in on this lol||

[glad spruce]

||Faye and Schaeffer wouldn't have been able to get this without being compromised. Besides, Schaeffer is alive, just unconscious because we wounded him heavily back in late August (Season 3 finale)||

[waxen sonnet]

That is very passive aggressive

[glad spruce]

I tend to have a problem with other people's opininons.

[waxen sonnet]

Someone get Hawkster a Job in Buisness Management that is the perfect position for that

Or HR

[glad spruce]

😛

I hate business management and HR

Also, it wasn't hard to put the two and two together in the first place, but this week's Descent comm does explicitly confirm that Birdie was adopted.

But honestly, I feel like some people talk about Keener like they're gonna have a stroke

So, here's my understanding. Keener and Theo went to D.C at some point to procure a copy of the simulation program. Theo tweaked the simulation so they could simulate a person, with the first upload a little choppy. Theo tweaked further, making the simulation feel very similar to reality.

And in WONY, Theo and Keener used the simulation to trick the agents, believing they killed both Rogues while in reality they both escaped SHD/BT's wrath.

[late void]

Imagine being parent to both Vikram and Birdie as kids. That must have been hard work.

[sick lantern]

ISAC

[glad spruce]

I feel like ANNA would be fun to converse with

[coral flume]

Damn Keener, he made us believe that the Liberty Island missile had some kind of "Eclipse" charge and it was really just a red smoke with some drug to facilitate his "Death"... is even Eclipse "real" or even that is a big Lie?

[waxen sonnet]

Eclipse was very real, Proven by the attack on City hall, Castle Clinton and in DC When Hornet uses it at Tidal basin as a means to slow us down

[coral flume]

The Descent protocol simulate real enemies,weapons, explosions, status effects, even SHD habilities using SHD Movile Servers and ANNA as the IA control system but requires more to trick a well trained agent, so they use a Fake Eclipse smoke to Drug Agents in Liberty Island , also they Trick Rhodes wit the ID recognition of ISAAC (or maybe he is working with Parnell, after all he "unlock" the SHD keener Watch for us, but never told us about ANNA's Back UP) , probably use the smoke in Pathway mission to test the smoke drug on US, and probably Vivian Conley use a similar Trick when she "burns" his body and ISAAC declare as death agent but maybe was another death body ...

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I doubt Vivian Conley faked her death. Keener further confirms it in Y5S3 comms that she was too far gone

And given her devotion for the Cleaners, it's likely Viv refused using the sim technology to fake her death

[sick lantern]

I legitimately thought this was a joke at first

[sick lantern]

all those people who died? just a drug fuelled hallucination

where are they now? still lying there, very devoted method actors

[glad spruce]

I should mention that the Manhunt comm from this week remarked that only people who has the Scantek Lenses (aka SHD Agents) would be tricked by Theo's simulation gizmo. Anyone else? They'd think you're being high as f

It should be rerquired to listen to the comms before talking about them. That's my ot take

[coral flume]

in all misions in NY only the Division Agents participate (Sherif, Kelso and Law...), Rhodes, Ortega and Benites just listen Voice Coms and saw SHD drones video... even the Blask tusk soldiers use the Diamond system... Diamond works same as SHD tecnology but without ISAAC or ANNAs IA system so they cn be Hacked as The division Agents.

[glad spruce]

Okay...

That doesn't mean the Eclipse, the people died from it, and what happened in WONY were fake.

You jumped to conclusions, mate

[late void]

There were survivors in city hall and castle Clinton who saw it first hand without shd contact lenses

[glad spruce]

^

[coral flume]

Ok Eclipse is real, Tchrenenco Actually did the worst version possible of Dolar flue and become into a weapon, Whoever recobery Keener's "body" from liberty Islad work for him, Law wasnt working for Sokolova(at this point star even questioning her death), Shaeffer who know what is really happend is in coma, and we ar playing Hansell & Grettel fairy Tale ANNAs game for what? Answers?

[plain junco]

and to add didn't keener literally release some of the eclipse in the area where we had to fight him?

i may need to replay just to be sure

[late void]

yeah there's patches of it in the area that damage your health if you stay there too long (although you could argue that your health depletion was just a HUD trick due to hacked contact lenses, but it is possible to die from it so eh)

[sick lantern]

you hallucinated dying

[glad spruce]

Okay, that's enough drugs, gramps. Time to go to bed

[sudden mortar]

People are putting a far cry 6 plot here

[wicked gorge]

Maybe the Eclipse virus is the friends we met along the way

[late void]

Outside of Descent, we're not wearing those 'haptic feedback' suits to simulate actually getting shot/gassed/burned/whatever, so I find it very unlikely they could genuinely convince the agent they were in a real fight using illusion alone

unless the agent really was that good at avoiding incoming damage

[surreal hearth]

I got a feeling the government has marked us as rogue agents, and that’s why they allied themselves with the black Tusk, and this whole cabal are giant benefactors that keep funding the black tusk, and their newly ally the true sons

Potentially this Cabal faction that existed in over 100 years ago

[ashen jungle]

*for over 100 years.
but yeah, that's not a theory, that's pretty much the stated plot (of every tom clancy thing ever, the dude had a limited range)

[surreal hearth]

A plot that deep conspiracy knew about but remained far fetched

[ashen jungle]

You're going to have to retype that one.

[surreal hearth]

Remember the “black tusk collaboration With the government”

And the whole “investors happy” by nat

[ashen jungle]

No I mean, I can't understand the way you typed it. I think it's missing about 5 words.

the mixing of tenses doesn't help.

[surreal hearth]

Oh

I suck at typing the words together properly

[ashen jungle]

If you're trying to say that div2 has a conspiracy theory plot: yep, that's the plot.

[surreal hearth]

Deep conspiracy plot yes

[ashen jungle]

Yep, we're well aware. The current "bad gys" are basically the illuminati (called "Cabal" in this game).

[surreal hearth]

Super obvious

[ashen jungle]

It's a video-game plot, they're rarely that complicated.

[surreal hearth]

I just hope the Illuminati appears in comms again

Most likely a shadow government

[storm axle]

What

[ashen jungle]

Just go with it, they're enjoying themselves.

[waxen sonnet]

What did I just come back to 👁️👄👁️

[glad spruce]

One dude schizoposting that the events of WONY were simulated by Keener (total BS). And Agent Parnuox talking about The Cabal

[sick lantern]

every cliche conspiracy plot ever*

[glad spruce]

Every plot is a cliche, there's nothing new under the sun

[glad spruce]

And frankly, originality is overrated

Just like sanity

[sudden mortar]

I guess most of the shooters are.
Like: you're an agent, a swat member, an army soldier, anyways the point is: you are part of an organization and you have a gun, the game's lore? Shoot people from another organization, either because the are bad guys (or at least they are flagged as it) or just because you have been told to do so

[waxen sonnet]

Admitedly, this late into the franchise, The Cabal needs a lot of introductory work to be set up in the DLC If they're going to go ahead with it

[waxen sonnet]

What tired Jack meant to word it as is because so far it's only featured in like, one sentence in one collectible (iirc) if it doesn't start appearing soon more often if they reference it in the DLC, I think many people are going to feel like it came out of nowhere.

Anyway I'll double check references to the cabal later, I'm about to crash learning how roundabouts work

[glad spruce]

As always, the subreddit is insufferable when it comes to discussing the story

And their evangelization of Div 1

[gaunt ice]

justifiably

you should open a r/divisionlore idk

[glad spruce]

If I did, it'd be constant meltdowns and tantrums over the idea of working with Keener

[gaunt ice]

dw i dont have a reddit account

reddit just seems to be insane Keener fanboy i saw someone saying maybe the rockets were holograms the other day😭

also side note Descent gives 4 comms from the weekly project now

[glad spruce]

Sorry to disappoint, but that's a visual bug. I only get 1 Descent comm per week.

[wicked gorge]

Yep, Keeners rocket full of a deadly bio weapon was “totally” a hologram

Its amazing how much conspiracy theories can work to keep a character from looking like a complete bad guy

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I doubt the Eclipse rocket was a hologram. Only Keener and Theo were holograms when we fought them in NYC

[wicked gorge]

Everything around us is a hologram

[late void]

It seems quite possible to me that these tasks we're doing to answer Theo's riddles are something to do with testing/calibrating/data gathering for hologram application. Could be like 1 in 5 enemies we kill aren't really there...

[wicked gorge]

I can’t wait for us to kill sokolova and a year later, comes back and says she was a hologram the entire time

[glad spruce]

Phoenix

[waxen sonnet]

I Get the feeling we've already got the system up and running, I feel like Theo's got it saved to pull a trick on the final manhunt target, and send us in to finish them off in there confusion

[torn shoal]

dont we get more if we got some coms missing ?

like if i got 0 coms cause i dont do descent

[glad spruce]

Yes, but only if you're catching up

[glad spruce]

For example, when I did my first Descent clear, I got 4 comms as a catch-up. The next week and few after that, I only got one per weekly reset.

[stiff sparrow]

If you think about it, the Outcasts are essentially a combination between the Rikers and the Cleaners.

[glad spruce]

Yeah

[wicked gorge]

Did I do a bad?

[glad spruce]

No

[coral flume]

Was the ligt in the entrance of White House after pass the lobby always Blue?

[waxen sonnet]

After pass sorry?

What do you mean by that

Do you mean the UV Lighting in the front of the doorway leading into the Whitehouse?

[sudden mortar]

I love how ANNA cut ISAC off when he is about to say something like:
ISAC: safe are--
ANNA: priority objective available!

[waxen sonnet]

ANNA Likes to just sortta be like a *** to Isac

[pulsar rune]

At this point you have 2 voices in your head

[sudden mortar]

Now we know why Alexander and Claire are perfect for each other

[torn shoal]

in lore or ingame ?

[glad spruce]

I can't help but feel the Descent comms involving experiments for Warhounds walking on two legs are an inside joke from the devs.

Like there was a bug in the game that made Warhounds walk on two legs

[gaunt ice]

"was a bug"
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/1h4nrt5/new_warhound_archetype_sighted_on_coney_island/

[wicked gorge]

They’re evolving…..

[sudden mortar]

the autobots are among us

[ornate gull]

Then gone maverick

Free will come with price

[torn shoal]

free will doesnt exist anyway so its fine

[wicked gorge]

Plot twist: Anna becomes evil and uses the horrifying concept of warhounds on two legs to carry out its goals

[torn shoal]

i wish

anna can step on me anyday

unlike isac which is boring

[wicked gorge]

Lyfe…..GO SIT IN THE CORNER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU DID

[torn shoal]

if anna goes rogues thats not on me

ok maybe a little

[sudden mortar]

I think I will make a giant controllable warhound with a cockpit and fight an intergalactic war with a faction called IMC

[ornate gull]

Warhound mech with large amount of Dinergate and Super Dinergate to swarm any target

By ramming and small plasma turret on their back

[sour perch]

I second this.

[torn shoal]

Fun fact the imc already exist we just dont call it that cause reasons

[sick lantern]

likely reason, they are earthbound and not interstellar

[cold bramble]

can someone explain to me what the Castle is all about, why they are suddenly fully expanded after the invasion, have mortar artillery and satellite technology although poison gas was dropped there beforehand

are there any German-language Lore videos on this? or at least a Wiki fan page on why and why, that makes no sense at all

[glad spruce]

So, decontamination efforts were made to rid of the DC-62 after the Castle got bombarded by it. Then, Manny invited a number of civilians to help rebuild the settlement

[glad spruce]

Also, tomorrow's the weekly Manhunt/Descent comm. Just thought to let you guys know

[torn shoal]

idk about german video, but if your english is ok, ngn videos are on point

[sick lantern]

you can’t access it anymore i don’t think, but the Castle Rebuild was a gameplay thing in season 11? iirc

[waxen sonnet]

Iirc even if you missed it the Castle will still get the upgrades now automatically, my newest character was post season 11 and you just automatically get the upgrades given right away

[sick lantern]

yea that’s what they said, it just goes from shagged to un-shagged cus the Rebuild happens fully offscreen now

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah no I was just trying to explain what happens post season 11 now

[glad spruce]

Yeah, the rebuild happened when Y5S1/Y5S2 were active

Each time we rescued the civvies, we got a small cutscenes vignette showing how much the Castle settlement got rebuilt

[waxen sonnet]

Wait actual Broad Spectrum Antiviral Serums exist

I Thought that was Just a Division thing

[glad spruce]

Heh, that's cool

Where did you learn this, btw?

[waxen sonnet]

I've been watching a series on Urban Survival, and it was the episode on Virus outbreaks, natural and green poison style, and it was talking about how BSAV's are actually very real and being worked on in the real world by governments>

So I looked it up and being British I easily found the GOV.UK Public release on a hearing from March this year on how the United Kingdom needs to encourage science groups within the Country to create one.

[cold bramble]

oh...kay that's some info, i'll do a search with that

[waxen sonnet]

Did you just need like an overview of how we're back using the Castle as a settlement, because thats not too hard to give you a quick write up if it helps

[cold bramble]

it's more about why the castle is being used as a settlement again, how it came about, according to the story the gas is DC-62 whose half-life is supposed to be - according to Ubisoft - eternal, so who cleaned the place, how did they come up with the plan to recolonize the castle and so on, and above all where did they get the artillery, the whole place seems so . ... unused, much stronger defense and weapons, and then the Truesons' firecrackers walk in front of the door (that gets on my nerves with every settlement anyway*) Oh yes, and where did they get the technology from and how did they get it there?

a flashback would be nice, I haven't found anything yet

If poison gas came down there, you're hardly going to build a new settlement there weeks later

*While I find it really funny how the more-A-than-I ignore each other

[glad spruce]

....

You weren't listening, were you

[waxen sonnet]

Alright, I'll answer that in A Bit:

The DC62 attack was early on in terms of events in DC, a few months after DC fell into a collapsed state and at the height of the True son's power. By now many months have passed. The Decontamination process was carried out by the JTF And Civilian's over a period of months, not weeks, Before the settlement was rebuilt you could still travel to the settlement, and find a JCB Digger and biohazard bags/body bags removing any contaminated materials (Indicating that a Decontamination was underway).

With the other settlements and JTF facing overcrowding, as well as the fact they wanted another settlement available to Civilian's in DC, it was decided they needed to reclaim the Castle. Recolonization was carried out after the Decontamination, taking place during Season 11, as we learn key characters involved in that season used there speciality knowledge to create Infrastructure key to the rebuilding, Mari for example created the fish farm for a steady food supply, Vikram Malik and his sister created multiple renewable and stable power grids while Cindy handled job taskings to the settlers.

Other implemented things, such as the artillery, is repurposed and captured BTSU Mortar systems, as seen on the BTSU'S Hovercrafts and ground platforms such as when it was used on Coney Island. They are capable of being transported either by vehicle or helicopter and are short range, multiple shot heavy mortar systems, likely with the purpose of short range defence against hostiles

[cold bramble]

Especially the mortars are a huge thorn in my side, there is this checkpoint in front of it, but nobody uses this technique (Ubisoft shouldn't tell me that it can't be staged, I've seen it much better from the fan side in other games).

I'll have to look again later to see if I can find videos for season 11

thank you very much for your time and effort, it helped a lot to understand a bit better

[waxen sonnet]

The mortar's only need to be crewed when reloaded, whenever they fire at us or at a target like they do in the Tidal basin mission, or on Coney Island. This plus the technological element of a lot of BTSU's weaponry being on par to the SHD's and the fact they have there own system like ISAC ( BTSU DIAMOND) means they're automatically operated likely by a computer system so you dont see anyone around them

[wicked gorge]

Isn’t the castle restoration apart of the campaign tho?

[glad spruce]

Only in Season 11, Y5S1 and Y5S2

[waxen sonnet]

Any newer character just gets the castle as is straight away

[glad spruce]

Theater is packed up as it is. And Campus won't accept freeloaders, so Castle is for new people

[wicked gorge]

Dang, didn’t know that

[late void]

Think the BT attack on the white house during the stovepipe manhunt was also a factor in setting up a second fortified base of operations

[waxen sonnet]

Who needs an excuse to have a mortar in the front garden

[wicked gorge]

#patriotism at its peak

[gaunt ice]

Castle being a settlement is also from popular player request so

[true tide]

hey there.
I'm very behind on the division lore since I took a break from it (the devs and Ubisoft just neglected the game). my question is... what do we know about the other parts of the world (like, just the world outside the U.S).
Thanks beforehand

[glad spruce]

We do have a set of comms that deals with that. NGN, the lore Youtuber, made a video about it

[glad spruce]

Descent Comm, Log 79 titled Lauren.

||Aaron Keener and Bridgette Douglas discuss about Lauren Fong. Douglas doesn't recommend recruiting Lauren because she's too much baggage and would never go anywhere without her girlfriend Amanda, unless Keener is looking to open a taco shop in Dumbo. Keener remarks by saying Aquaponics at the Bridge, then Douglas said if he wants to set one up, he's better off asking ANNA for schematics and raid a pet store||

[glad spruce]

Manhunt Comm, Log 7 titled Prototype.

||Theo Parnell reports to Aaron Keener about the results of the first test from the Descent simulation program he volunteered for. He first reports that the decoys are great, and they were made so that it didn't make glitches to the Nemesis.||

||Though Theo admits he feels he needs to talk to a therapist as it can't be healthy for him to fight infinite hologram copies of himself and then spend all the free time he has getting himself killed over and over. Keener remarks to Theo if he keeps doing that, he'd be going to the dark place.||

||Which made Theo realize he made himself a fractal (metaphorically speaking, obviously)||

[sudden mortar]

which is kinda not true gameplay-wise, the nemesis will get agro on the decoy most of the time

[gaunt ice]

Theo just sucks smh

straight up 1 tapped lil bro the other day

[glad spruce]

I dunno if anyone noticed yet, but they changed the total number of weekly Manhunt scouts that need to be accomplished to 16.

Which... kinda makes sense, cuz I feel they'd only give us 4 comms in the Manhunt Climax mission.

[waxen sonnet]

Two more weeks added to the season?

[glad spruce]

Nah, its still 21 weeks last I recall. I think it was an oversight when they put 14 total Manhunt scout weeks

And most of the time, Manhunt Climax missions only drop 4 comms

[glad spruce]

Would it be too far to say the Castle's goal is to ensure SHD has a backup Base of Operations in case Black Tusks succeeds in completely takes over the White House?

[waxen sonnet]

Nope, I 100% believe that was the reason, especially after the brutal wake up that the last attack on the WH was.

[glad spruce]

Here's also the link from the wiki where it has the audio logs and their transcripts

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Comms/Langley_Reports

[wicked gorge]

I wish the gear sets had little lore tidbits like in div 1

[glad spruce]

Doubt most players cared enough to read flavor text on gear sets

[sick lantern]

I did

it’s called flavour text for a reason

[wicked gorge]

Hawkster, it’s for us only, the true division agents

its like how they stopped doing the exotic weapon attachment descriptions, it’s sad but I understand

[waxen sonnet]

Wait, they did?

[glad spruce]

Not sure, but I'll check on Strega's attachments when I have time.

[wicked gorge]

They did after season 4 for a lot of the exotic guns, I know they’ve been slowly adding more flavor text to certain attachments again

[waxen sonnet]

@kind hare Regarding your new video, I just wanted your opinion on the question:

Do you think we'll find out that because of Keener's closeness (Friendship even) pre-outbreak with McManus, he's aware of more information on the Cabal than what we're already slowly discovering for ourselves, Much like how he's already leap's and bounds above us in terms of his knowledge of the Hunter Program, or do you think we'll find out the Cabal is even out of the scope of Keeners intelligence networks?

[wicked gorge]

I don’t think they were friends but more of contractor friends (I could be wrong though, I haven’t focused on the LORE lately)

[torn shoal]

not focused on lore ? shame

[wicked gorge]

Well life stops for no one comrade and every moment I get some free time, it’s something new popping up

[torn shoal]

but division lore

its more important than life

lets be real about it

[wicked gorge]

Maybe

[glad spruce]

You know, I just realized something. There have been two weekly scouts for each area in D.C. Scout 1 and 2, Foggy Bottom. Scout 3 and 4, West Potomac Park. Scout 5 and 6, Constitution Hall.

And given this Tuesday's Scout is in Federal Triangle, I expect Scout 8 (which is next week) to be at Federal Triangle as well.

[waxen sonnet]

By that logic, perhaps we can figure out the area that'll be the last week, relate it to the mission or stronghold, and that'l figure out where Theo is for the final fight

[cold bramble]

hey sorry if wrong channel but quick random question? which chambers do we go into in the capitol building mission? house or senate? or both?

[torn shoal]

best way to find out would be to visit capitol directly

[sweet crypt]

I think it would be House, because you go through the Old Hall of Representatives on the way there. The semi circlular room.

[past wagon]

Those chambers arent on public tours

I think it's supposed to be the senate chamber based on the size though

The house chamber is huge

[wicked gorge]

Besides me actually going to the capitol, everyone in the Discord has been in the capitol building silly

[torn shoal]

yes we did

[loud pilot]

So like is there a valid lore reason why weapons have exotics or why certain armor sets like striker increase weapon fire rate as you hit targets

Like with some exotics how does Scorpio shot electricity or how does Strega do more damage the more times you kill a group of enemies in a large group?

Just curious cause like I’m a destiny fan and they create lore reasons why certain weapons work the way they do but if they don’t in the division that’s fine

[sweet crypt]

I recall Div 1 had some small explanations in the item descriptions, but I don't think I have seen anything like that in Div 2.

[loud pilot]

Ok thanks I’ll look for the d1 explanation

[sick lantern]

“Optimized ISAC tracking and prediction code through rapid machine learning predictions for immediate combat parameters. Due to large data intake and processing limitations, memory dumps must be handled quickly.”- how Striker’s functions

[loud pilot]

Alright

[torn shoal]

magic

[waxen sonnet]

Scorpio's write up little description thing actually states it was produced as a DARPA Experiment, Including literal venomous rounds, but was not allowed to be used in war's due to the Geneva convention and so did not get approval

[loud pilot]

I was kinda just using as an example because of all the different debuff ans status effects it procs but I didn’t know that I’ll have to look into all that more

[waxen sonnet]

The older one's will have them, they changed the newer exotics to just a quote, normally from a main or side character

[loud pilot]

Okay thanks

[near totem]

Is there any point in retaking NY right now? Is there anything left for us to use?

[torn shoal]

well, for starters, there are still civilians

your job is to save them after all

[glad spruce]

And considering Keener established a settlement in Brooklyn and that the upcoming DLC is set in Brooklyn.

[near totem]

But arent there better places to live than NY? Places that have more land that you can grow food on, more clean water. We "can" evacuate them there.

[sick lantern]

that means establishing new infrastructure for power, water, displacing hundreds if not thousands of people from settlements, leaving behind X amount of stuff you can't move

also that however many bridges have straight up collapsed

[near totem]

So now they are technically the best situation they can be in

[sick lantern]

a better situation than taking all those risks for sure

[near totem]

At first i thought that NY is worthless now because there are only few settlements and some leftover equipment that is stolen or destroyed, but now i see that those settlements are the most valuable, because where else do they have power, running tap water and can feel somewhat safe

And in the current state of the country, people are the most valuable resource and we kinda have to defend them

[ornate gull]

I kinda wondering

Why NY Agent Sticky Bomb Launcher don't have Stun Sticky Bomb

Hunter have them

[sudden mortar]

if you are part of a classified elite team that is designed to eliminate a less op classified team, they shouldn't have more tech power than you.

like, imagine being a hunter, heavy armed, trained and ready to kill, and then you get shocked and killed in the lamest way possible lol.

[near totem]

Maybe somebody just thought that we wouldnt need them because 90% of our encouters end up as a competition who kills the other one first

[torn shoal]

people dont want to just survive, they want to live

there is a fully functionning infrastructure in cities if you get rid of thoses factions

better to fight for your future than wait for doom

also you cant really travel if there is no vehicules

also you cant really move away from your food before growing some more, thoses settlements provide for everyone, if you wanna leave, you need weeks/months of supplies

humans are socials, you cant really go out by yourself or you gonna die

and if you go as a group, where you gonna go ? how ? how do you know you gonna find food/water/shelter/etc

[past wagon]

But that happens all the time to hunters 😂

[sudden mortar]

Most of the gameplay hunters aren't canon, so no, lore wise this doesn't happen all the time

[past wagon]

How are they not canon

[glad spruce]

Cuz the story never brings up any Hunters we defeated through the open-world puzzles, summit, or even Countdown.

As far as we know, canon-wise, there are only three Hunters we've defeated. Deceit in Season 3 (Schaeffer Manhunt finale). The Recruiter in Y5S2. And Freedom in Y5S3

[waxen sonnet]

Do they count Greene in Hunted too?

[glad spruce]

I was more talking about Division 2's story, but sure. ||Greene in Hunted|| counts awell

[sick lantern]

and at least one in Survival

[near totem]

In the lore point of view, is there only one player agent in the dc doing missions and manhunts or a group of 4 agents doing all of those things?

[waxen sonnet]

@near totem we were trying to figure this out end of last month, if you click the link to my reply you can catch the conversation there were we tried figuring it out

[near totem]

Gonna check it out, thanks Jack.

[sick lantern]

I would say the later in the game it takes place, that's when more agents can show up

Div 1 has "The Agent" and Div 2 has "The Sheriff" recognised as being present for most major events

[glad spruce]

Considering how Keener and Theo procured a copy of the Descent simulation program to use the hologram tech to fake their deaths, I can't help but ask myself this.

What if Cal and his Hunters manage to procure a copy of the simulation's Holo tech for their own uses? Could be a dangerous weapon against us Division agents

[waxen sonnet]

I work on the theory we'll develop (and by we I mean probably Theo) a way to counter false projections, almost like a firewall in your smart lense

[cold bramble]

What are the possibilities that could be achieved?

[near totem]

If we are gonna fight more and more hunters and BT, shouldnt we limit the use of our eye lenses? I know we would be very limited with our gear without them but its one thing less that can affect us and possibly get us killed, just like in hunted || when the hunter hacked the lenses and basically agents lost their vision||

And knowing BT they will do anything just to get rid of us and they wont pass a chance like this

Maybe Theo and Keener will do something about it

[torn shoal]

sssssshhhhhh

dont give massive ideas to revive every single fker

otherwise soon BT will have that too

[glad spruce]

Only people who faked their deaths are Keener, Theo, and ||Bridgette||

[torn shoal]

could you imagine faye coming back ?

[torn shoal]

hold on

since when the last one was a fake death ?

i missed a lot

[ornate gull]

Im also been wonder

Are SHD run out of supply of those enhance drug that agent use?

And use armor plate to replace those medkit

[torn shoal]

i dont think so, its just a gameplay thing to nerf medkits

[glad spruce]

Descent Comm 79, where Keener and Bridgette discuss whether to recruit Birdie for Keener's settlement. Bridgette mentioned Birdie and her brother are settling in Castle Settlement, which happened in Year 5 Season 2.

There's no way she could've known unless she was given the simulayion tech from Theo or Keener and used it to fake her death when we confronted her in Season 4

[ornate gull]

I mean lore wise, div1 are still early phase of outbreak so SHD must have lot of supply for those specialized medkit

[glad spruce]

IIRC, during Season 9's livestream, the devs confirmed that Faye Lau is dead for real

And if nothing else, Manny's dialogue from Y5S3 finale mission confirmed that Faye was cremated after her body was recovered to Haven settlement

[torn shoal]

i mean, it could just be an error from writers ? wouldnt be the first

[glad spruce]

Considering that Bridgette started out a subtarget with minimal lore, then got expanded over the years, I highly doubt that

[ornate gull]

Probably by div2, material need to make those medkit are hard to get or out of stock so they decide to use armor plate as replacement

[torn shoal]

yeah, but considering the writing for the franchise, i would bet on her staying dead xd

[glad spruce]

Okay, what ever helps you sleep at night

[torn shoal]

or at least should be dead until they need to revive another rogue

[near totem]

I dont think we ran out of them, plates are cheaper and work better. The stims help you recover after you get injured but it still takes a day or two for you to heal so they dont have a big use in combat, but the armor plates on the other hand can stop those injuries from even happening so we just switched to a much better option

[solemn sentinel]

so...|| How are people feeling about the holo tech that have popped up a lot in lore?||

[glad spruce]

||It does illustrate the dangers of using holo tech if it falls to the wrong hands||

||Besides that, Descent's comms went a lot in establishing the holo tech and what they were used for initially||

[sudden mortar]

Cool but not so versatile, seen that you need an entire room and a suit to perfectly simulate people and situations, and the decoy can only project a "static" replica of someone.

[sick lantern]

dislike

[glad spruce]

Of course you do

[sick lantern]

im just a hologram, hawkster

im not real so the writers can do whatever they want with me

[glad spruce]

Right

[sick lantern]

i could even rise from my grave like a zombie

do a lil jamboree
from times square to the statue of liberty

anything is possible when you say "it was just a hologram"

[glad spruce]

Okay, that's enough schizoposting

[torn shoal]

the point is valid tho, its lazy writing at best to revive character on repeat

like having it happen once without real explaination other than "i tricked you ackhtually" is already bad, but 3 times, its just too much

[glad spruce]

Ok

[torn shoal]

i know they didnt have enough time to work on that, i dont really blame them, but it just reflect on the story

[glad spruce]

Sure.

[near totem]

Wouldnt it be better if Keener came back as a part of ANNA? Maybe theo could put him in the code somehow and he would be the voice in our ear. It can be too scifi but its easier to explain than coming back from the dead

[sick lantern]

The Division: SOMA

[torn shoal]

maybe im just too demanding with the scenario, its not that deep, but still, it bothers me

[drifting lotus]

It was I, kael’thas.

Have to say, it was hella jarring before this update when I came back on PS5… to take down keener and then suddenly see that he’s the Manhunt target.

[past wagon]

👀

[cold bramble]

Yep 😂

[glad spruce]

Descent comm, log 80. Titled Mari

||Aaron Keener and Bridgette Douglas continue the discussion from previous, where Douglas suggests that if Keener really wants to have a fish farm in his settlement, he should consider recruiting Mari Singh. Keener is apprehensive, considering Mari is Manny's pregnant girlfriend, though Douglas emphasizes that if Keener wants a fish farm, he needs to recruit an expert on fish farms, which is Mari Singh in that case.||

||Keener thinks the only way that can work is getting Manny on their side, though Douglas warns him if he touches Mari, Manny would put on a bounty on his head. Keener muses that Manny can't be that insecure, but Douglas tells him that Manny is insecure, overprotective and has an army of agents at his disposal, which is a dangerous combo||

[sudden mortar]

Okay, my turn now

Manhunt comm, Titled USB

||Agent Hoskins hand over a USB stick to Parnell with "a list of the world's most dangerous people. And theo is just like: this tech was in a plastic USB stick, in your pocket for 3 weeks? And Hoskins is just like: yup.||

||Agent Hoskins also tells theo that it wasn't easy to leave [redacted] (silver creek obviously) with all the McManus reinforcements in the area. Theo tells her that they shouldn't have known that it was Hoskins that got the data since Theo wiped the servers that Hoskins put the data from. And Hoskins says that they knew that it was an agent who got the data but they don't know which agent was. (They knew that because the explosives that Hoskins used to open the secret entrance was SHD tech.)||

[waxen sonnet]

Probably explains why Hunter's became far more aggressive towards the player character, they probably think it was us who got that information

[sudden mortar]

||Doubt it, McManus already gave his thoughts about how Faye Lau and Hoskins might be a liability to his plans, and the sheriff was never mentioned by him, not even when he mentioned that one of his Hunters was KIA on Coney island.||

[waxen sonnet]

True, I just feel like thats an oversight on the script Mcmanus's VA Was given instead.

[sudden mortar]

Yeah and we also need to remember that Cal is stupid too

[glad spruce]

If you're talking about him neglecting the NSA analyst's warnings about Amherst, it should be kept in mind that Cal is associated with the Cabal and didn't do anything about Amherst cuz they saw his Green Poison as means to power

[waxen sonnet]

Cal Is Arrogant, and seemingly while he remains in a position of Power, its not through ability he got there in the first place,

[glad spruce]

I wasn't here during Season 11 finale, but were people pissed how it ended?

[sudden mortar]

And this:

Claire: ANNA is smarter than ISAC
Cal: chooses ISAC
Wounded Agent gets marked as rogue and loses his turret
also Cal: Alex, why did one of my agents die!?!? I thought this AI was supposed to be smart!

[waxen sonnet]

** Sparkles man.

I Hated that finale purely because of Sparkles.

To be honest I didnt mind that season, the ending plot twist was ok, but not the greatest but other than Sparkles I didnt see any major issue to hate on it

[glad spruce]

Got that Descent comm. Hell's bells, I was off my game today

[stuck sphinx]

Did the division resurgence get cancelled

I can’t find it on App Store anymore

[glad spruce]

No idea

[near totem]

I think they wanted to release it in 2025

[torn shoal]

isnt it cancelled ?

[late void]

Heartland was cancelled, resurgence is still in development afaik

[wicked elk]

(cough) *murdered (cough cough)

[wicked gorge]

Executed is a better word

[sleek plover]

Butchered

[cold bramble]

Yeah, I’m not seeing resurgence on App Store anymore

[sudden mortar]

Or what nat says: agent executives, execute.

[waxen sonnet]

You probably wont if it remains in closed beta testing

[glad spruce]

Time feels slow when browsing this channel. Cuz I'm already anticipating what Descent/Manhunt comms are offering over the next several weeks

[cold bramble]

Exciting stuff? 👀

[wicked gorge]

Lores been a bit slow lately

[cold bramble]

Facts hope it picks up with Brooklyn

[cold bramble]

||any chance we may go after the people on the roster in the Brooklyn dlc?||

[glad spruce]

||Doubt it. The Hunters roster feels like a long-term problem than a short-one||

[true fox]

Only hunters on this USB right?

[sudden mortar]

||it's probably the Cabal, the Hunters don't fit like "the world's most dangerous people."||

[true fox]

Probably, but before it was clear that it was just them

[glad spruce]

Until its 100% confirmed, its best to assume the USB's roster is of the Hunters

[near totem]

Is the BT warhound a better version of the one we see in Future soldier?

[glad spruce]

No idea, tbh. Any similarity between the two games are purely coincidental

[wicked elk]

no it's just a robot dog painted black with a Berret M82 slapped on top using duct tape lol

hence why we don't have predator missiles and artillery shells from the BT warhounds

[near totem]

And being on the predator topic, what is the chance that BT wont use them against us?

[sick lantern]

if they could they would have i guess

i’d say the BT had to skirt around outright mil-spec equipment cus it’d draw too much heat

[wicked gorge]

Consider the division is set in an alternate timeline, but it’s set in 2016 and future soldier takes place in 2028 I think? The vast time difference would make the future soldier ones more advance

[near totem]

Well the Future soldier one is in a size of a small truck and has integrated mortars and guided missles while the BT one is much smaller and agile, and uses atleast a mortar

Or other heavy weapon

[wicked gorge]

I haven’t play future soldier in awhile so I have no clue what they look like or work, but seems like the fs ones are more for heavily assaults

[near totem]

Well it provided a good cover because of a big steel plate on the side

[ornate gull]

Im kinda glad BT Hound are not rusher type

Imaging dealing with them if they rush you and ramming you

[nocturne arrow]

Say that again about the Minigun types, I swear they know they wanna flush us out of cover.

[ornate gull]

The cover: Im immortal

Even if the cover is super thin layer of metal

[gaunt ice]

honestly it might be it
having less armor makes it more mobile, same firepower, cheap enough to be mass produced compared to the future soldier counterpart

its not like there's a confirmed link between these 2 games but as a comparison the future soldier warhound seems more suited for big battlefields vs BT warhounds being shockingly flexible and agile for urban combat

[strange pecan]

like they do in No Mans Sky..

[wicked gorge]

My anger would have me charging at it and trying to push it back

[tepid ibex]

Just smack their snout, they'll require some training

[ornate gull]

Without risking breaking my hand bone? No thank you

[vivid horizon]

trying to get division1 to load lookig for help

[glad spruce]

Wrong channel

look for #unofficial-troubleshooting

[vivid horizon]

thx

[tepid ibex]

gots to protect your hand bone

[glad spruce]

Okay, so I've done some little math about the Manhunt Scouts. We have 2 scouts for each area (Scout 1/2 = Foggy Bottom, Scout 3/4 = West Potomac Park, etc...). And the total number of scouts is 16

So from the looks of it, we'll be trekking across 8 zones for the whole Manhunt. And starting this Tuesday, it'll be the fifth zone we'll play in.

[waxen sonnet]

You're in the wrong place for that, this place is where people ask questions about the story and we help them out, You'll probably want #td2-general-chat

[waxen sonnet]

Doing the maths do you think you can work out the last place we go too, might indicate which landmark the climax takes place at

[ornate gull]

I was thinking

Should winter ever come to DC and snowstorm. DC practically can't be travelled normally?

[glad spruce]

Can't say I can. But considering the places we've gone to during the Scouts so far, we've kinda went West (Foggy Bottom), South (West Potomac Park), North (Constitution Hall), and East (Federal Triangle)

If I had any bet, the location for the Climax mission would likely be a political landmark

[gaunt ice]

capitol building manhunt is overdue

[glad spruce]

Well, we did have Capitol Building where we rescued Jack Arnold back in Y5S2.

But that's not a Manhunt Climax mission, so yeah

[waxen sonnet]

Given it's Parnell, I think they'll tie it to some sort of location with a technical background, at first I thought JTC, Given the SHD Server room there, but that was already done with Captain Lewis, so second bets I'd go with somewhere like the TV Station who's name I've promptly forgotten despite doing twice last week

[glad spruce]

Viewpoint Museum

[waxen sonnet]

Thats the one, thank you.

[sudden mortar]

Would be funny if the next manhunt will be on camp white oak for the third time lol.

[waxen sonnet]

Maybe they'll do it at the descent simulation building 🤔

[glad spruce]

Underground NSA facility that houses the simulation. But that's semantics

[sudden mortar]

Since one of the entrances is below the castle, it would make sense, they could use the simulation to make sure if the agent can be trusted or not. I mean, if theo don't do the same plan as keener like: hey ANNA tell the black tusk my location so the sheriff can try to save me.

[glad spruce]

Descent comm, log 81 titled Cindy.

||Aaron Keener and Bridgette Douglas discuss about recruiting Cindy McAllister, with Keener mentioning Cindy's actions back in Coney Island as a potential incentive. Douglas mentions that since that event, Cindy was grounded and put to therapy by Manny. Keener thinks this was unwise as it's a waste of her talent, though Douglas retorts that Manny is trying to put people's bad behaviors in check.||

||Keener, on the other hand, thinks bad behaviors equals potential skillset. Douglas mentions that Cindy is a normie, not an agent, but Keener argues that all SHD agents were normal people in the past. Douglas argues she was never normal, with Keener retorting that not "all of us were born with a golden bullet in the chamber."||

[glad spruce]

Manhunt Comm, log 9 titled Bunker.

||Theo Parnell and Melanie Hoskins discuss about the secret room in the Hunter bunker in Redacted (obviously Silver Creek) that the latter went there. Hoskins admitted that she blew up the entrance to not let it fall in enemy hands, which Theo found it a dumb move. However, Hoskins wasn't willing to find out what killed the Hunters who were in that secret room (This is a reference to last season's batch of Descent comms that involves a cell of Hunters that got infected by mutated Green Poison).||

||When asked by Theo if she managed to go further inside the secret room, Hoskins admitted she couldn't as she didn't have Classified clearance. Theo sarcastically congratulates Hoskins as the first person to be tech blocked by ISAC at a Hunter bunker.||

[waxen sonnet]

I still wonder what lies behind that virtual locked door that is the classified clearance, figuratively but at the same time I wonder if unlocking access to it via Theo will give us Hunter's skills

But the fact they levelled the building is sensible given the extreme threat whatever strain of the poison it was, Best incinerated or buried

[sudden mortar]

I would guess that they have some kind of top-secret level facility to train the hunters and manufacture some of the classified tech that is not available for ordinary SHD agents.

[waxen sonnet]

True, But I think what we're discovering is the Hunters recieved training at the NSA Simulation building.

[sudden mortar]

And btw, after you mentioned how this fight happened in one of the books, I assume this kind of "place" could have some crazy sci-fi experiment to make some kind of supersoldier. Because if you think about it, even if you are the most muscular guy with the best military painkillers, ||there is no way somebody would be that resilient to survive after getting all of those shots and everything else that happened in the fight|| I just think that the tech and the NSA training aren't the only thing that hunters have to fight us.

[sudden mortar]

I don't think that is much of a surprise since we know that Johnson and Conley have already been in the simulation before. I wonder if Conley could have become a hunter if she didn't join the keener's team.

[wicked gorge]

Doubt it, iirc, the division recruiters found her too mentally unstable and obsessive on a objective

[sick lantern]

i think u need a wee bit of mental instability to be willing to go around chopping hands off

between the recruiter thinking we're the rogues and the schaffer manhunt one growling like a 14 year old, I think Hunters are a bit delusional in general

[sudden mortar]

Of course they are delusional, it's called patriotism

[glad spruce]

Well, nobody said our enemies are sane.

They're f'd in the head

[sudden mortar]

Especially the Schaeffer BTSU lieutenants that we killed.

[wicked gorge]

Nah

[wicked gorge]

I don’t think hunters cut hands off

[sick lantern]

they do tho

+impale corpses on rebar

[wicked gorge]

Where does it say that in the lore? I haven’t seen that before or is it in the books?

[sick lantern]

it's in Survival

[obsidian jay]

Observe the bodies when entering the Survival mode darkzone and when approaching the extraction

honestly I wish they kept the whole ambush thing
I like the manhunt hunters because they actually hunt you
the puzzle ones don't seem very motivated other than you touching their precious items of interest and wanting to beat you up because of it.

[obsidian jay]

has anybody realized how the Div2 agents are more like the hunters than the Div1 agents?

[glad spruce]

Can't say I have. Any reason you think that way?

[sudden mortar]

How so?

[obsidian jay]

Div1 agents don't have an EMP scanner, Div2 agents do, and OUR emps work on the hunters.
Div2 agents have two strap backpacks
Div2 agents have a thing for collecting trophies, the hunter masks are the trophies.

the rest are mainly cosmetic

I like to think the Puppeteers season reward, Bloody Red outfit, is our own Hunter outfit considering how it doesn't pop up anywhere else

I'm just rambling tho

theres probably more comparisons

[sudden mortar]

Most of that stuff is gameplay and character design, they are not necessarily canon.

[obsidian jay]

I just like looking at small things

don't quote me on that

oh and some Div2 hunters use the agent cosmetic neck piece swat brace

you know what they say
Hunt me Hunt you.

[surreal hearth]

What the hell

An ANNA AI here?!

[gaunt ice]

hawko got tired of people crapping on Keener so he made an AI to help him

[wicked gorge]

It’s been awhile Parunox, most of us agree that Keener didn’t do anything wrong and he’s gracefully given us a AI for the lore chat to confirm his goodness

[ornate gull]

There literally corpse of SHD Agent missing their hand at wrist. More of corpse are show as you closer to Extraction Location in NYC DZ Survival

[wicked gorge]

I haven’t touched survival in awhile and when I did, I was goofing off with one of my friends and didn’t notice any details

[ornate gull]

Iirc, you see Agent corpse at East Entrance near Library landmark

West entrance don't have any iirc

Most disturbing corpse probably Parking Garage Extraction zone

[sick lantern]

nah

[ornate gull]

Also if get execution by Hunter from side, they have crash axe cut our hand

[torn shoal]

"didnt do anything wrong" is kind of a wild take lmao

even for most keener apologists

[wicked gorge]

Nah, he didn’t do anything wrong silly

[torn shoal]

Aside from Killing civilians I guess ?

[gaunt ice]

lots of them

he puts jack the ripper to shame ngl

[glad spruce]

Mhmm

[tight jacinth]

mf wanted to eliminate the whole second wave before they even get to nyc

the same guy that destroyed all of our bases in midtown while killing thousands of civilians

they NEED to somehow give an explanation for that (idk how??) otherwise i shoot him in the head when I decide to load into my game again 😈

[wicked gorge]

I just want to clarify that I’m joking and not being serious

[tight jacinth]

lucky you...

[ornate gull]

Also the same guy get himself manhunt by entire NYC

Riker,Cleaner,LMB,Rioter,Division,JTF.

[tight jacinth]

yep

and then he realises the division arent that bad as he thought or what... i think they should have used this season to show us why, what was in between and whats his plan instead of these tests

[glad spruce]

Just wanna let people know that I'm on a travel trip this Sunday and will be back by Friday, so I won't be able to summarize next week's Manhunt/Descent comms.

[waxen sonnet]

I Can handle Season Comm for the week sometime Early afternoon UK Time.

We'll work out a way to get the Descent comm too Im sure.

[obsidian jay]

Is there any update on the newest NYC hunter mask?

[late void]

The extra hook in haven? Yannick said on live stream that it wasn't a hunter that the community hadn't found yet, so it's likely relating to future season or maybe Brooklyn dlc

[waxen sonnet]

Iirc that's not entirely correct, Yannick actually said that it was for a Hunter previously intended for live release, but they couldn't get the mechanics working in time and had to cut it, I'm pretty sure he said there are no outstanding unclaimed Hunter's

[late void]

When did he say that? I agree he mentioned we weren't missing any hunters but I don't recall the first bit.

[waxen sonnet]

One of the more recent Livestreams, Im going to see if I can see if they've kept a copy of the last stream as I think it was either this direct last one, or the one before it

[late void]

I was trying to moderate the latest stream chat at the same time though so I might have just been distracted tbf

[waxen sonnet]

Im gonna have a listen back to the Q&A Now, If I find it I'll timestamp it for you guys and let you know

[waxen sonnet]

@late void @obsidian jay
https://www.twitch.tv/thedivisiongame/clip/HealthyCorrectChipmunkEleGiggle-G-5ojzZjYV0lZoro

-Last stream, 1 hour 12 mark in the Q&A

[obsidian jay]

buh

[sonic holly]

anyone still play div 1

[sick lantern]

#td1-lfg

[sonic holly]

no access cant seee that mate

[sick lantern]

go get the role for it then

[glad spruce]

id:customize

[wicked gorge]

Maybe we’ll get snow for the new DLC, it is getting close to winter time in the timeline

[tight jacinth]

omg that would be so great

i just began with the theo manhunt, did you guys figure these quests out? Am I so dumb? lmao

[sudden mortar]

there is always someone that says what is the weekly objectives, the serve just didn't pinned a message like that yet.

[tight jacinth]

yea thanks, just trying to figure it out on my own but guess like that wont happen xd

[potent bear]

Hey all. Decided to pick up Division 2 again after not playing for many years.

[tight jacinth]

yoo welcome back

[sudden mortar]

is kinda easy, just interpret the quotes and figure it out if is a CP, activity, bouty of that region.

[tight jacinth]

so no main missions?

[sudden mortar]

they are also present, for example, one of the lastest objectives was talking about TV and radio, where it would be a good landmark for that? view point museum. It Isn't a resident evil level of enigma so you are gonna manage it just fine

[tight jacinth]

ah ok ty

[waxen sonnet]

And if you struggle, Youtubers make weekly vids on the Tuesday's to help clarify it if you get stuck, like some idiots 🙋‍♂️

[wicked gorge]

Some of the hints are easy, then there’s some that don’t make sense

[late void]

If you tag the clues on your hud, the numbers you have to reach give you a clue (eg if it shows 0/1, it'll be a mission, CP or bounty, if it's 0/15, it'll be a 'per enemy' type deal like headshot kills, etc)

[wicked gorge]

So is the BT security officer outfit basically they’re MP uniforms cause that’s the vibe im getting

[mint citrus]

Yup

[waxen sonnet]

Military Police meets Internal security department sorta vibes, I also note they choose White tusk uniform vibes as apposed to the standard BTSU black/grey, probably indicating some level of special forces training.

Of course, all store based items are non-canonical minus very, very few.

[sudden mortar]

This week manhunt comm: ||holiday||

||Keener and theo decides that ANNA should "take the day off" and don't get the manhunt and descent since it's December 31, leaving Agent Barsetto up to the task ||

||Just kidding lol||
||This week manhunt comm: network.
Conley told Theo that trig was having problems with ISAC network security, so Theo and Trig discusses this problem. Trig says that the network has a lot of "back and side doors" to access, it has too much data and it can be accessed with little effort. Trig also says that ISAC leaves too much to be desired and that they should have chosen ANNA and that is Cal's fault.

They also discuss that it might be intentional about ISAC being bad. and Trig says that it's not like Claire, and she wouldn't make an AI like ISAC, because she is a genius.||

[glad spruce]

||The backdoor protocol that Cal requested, I take it||

[sudden mortar]

||I'm not IT guy but it probably has more than one single backdoor, no wonder ISAC network has poor security and the rogues and BT managed to access it. And make sense the guy who approved the project (Cal) having a backdoor access privileges or something like that.||

[sleek plover]

BT stands for black tusks.

But it also stands for ||Butt ticklers||

[waxen sonnet]

Depends on how far down the backdoor is put into the core functions iirc, if a backdoor lays in the software used by all three systems, you'd only need one Backdoor planted there to access the rest of the three systems

Though admitedly my Computer Courses were the physical repair side of parts, where as this is more Scripting/Coding so a little out of my understanding

[sleek plover]

Thus BTSU stands for ||Butt Ticklers Society of United states||

[waxen sonnet]

Kindly, shut up. Its not funny, ya Just being weird.

[sleek plover]

Damn I hate LMB

[sudden mortar]

Why

[sleek plover]

search from: me

ive made my career in this server hating lmb

[sudden mortar]

Still, it doesn't answer the question

[sleek plover]

uhhh...considering the hate chats i did for like almost a decade now...it...kinda does?

[glad spruce]

Anyways, there's still this week's Descent comm to account for

[sudden mortar]

Working on that, Deltas aren't helping today.

[sudden mortar]

Basically this week descent comm: ||Keener tells theo about the events at the Meret state, saying that Mack was rescued by Kelso agents and that Wrirght was one of Cal's hunters involved, providing the cleaner equipment and SHD tech. Keener says that he has no idea where wright got that and Theo suggests they start to prepare an inventory.||

[glad spruce]

||Yeah, and the fact there are Cleaners operating in Long Island as well||

[wicked gorge]

Wouldn’t that be BTSUS tho?

[gaunt ice]

BT SUS

💀

[ashen jungle]

@potent bear This channel is just for talking about the lore, you're looking for #ask-td2-community

[lyric topaz]

What about the guys from legendary mode?

[glad spruce]

They're called White Tusk

[wicked gorge]

So out of curiosity, anyone think Hornet is still alive and we got played again

[glad spruce]

No

[sour perch]

Nah

[glad spruce]

And now that I'm back from the trip, I've already catched up with Descent and Manhunt Scout

[ornate gull]

I been wondering

Ever since the attack of Mid Manhattan BoO in WONY, are most civ go to Lower Manhattan or to Metro of Mid Manhattan?

[wicked gorge]

Most probably flocked to Haven or there’s other smaller communities in lower manhattan

[gaunt ice]

they treat the player agent like a 2 bit donut so there's a non 0 chance he created a simulation or some crap to fake his death(again)

and you cant claim otherwise because thats how Keener came back to life

[glad spruce]

Until we know wheher Keener gave the sims to his fellow Rogues, I'm gonna assume only him, Theo, and Bridgette used it

[wicked gorge]

Only reason I’m asking is because Hornet was Keeners closest friend. I know Keener is well Keener, but I don’t really see him abandoning his closest friend just for him to die

[marble dawn]

maybe at that point keener considered hornet's bioterrorist acts too far gone for his own bioterrorist acts

[waxen sonnet]

Keener seems to have used and had tidied up any elements of his Rogue Network he couldn't trust to stick to his vision, given Hornet was questioning why Keener saved the Firefighter and his family for example, might have been the wake up call to Keener that as his plan for the future in Brooklyn came forward, Hornet would not be a reliable choice to guarantee he'd stick by his plan

[sudden mortar]

we could say the same about Dragov, Kajika and ,maybe Conley too

[ashen jungle]

I mean, that aspect of the story isn't even a guess, it's literally stated ingame that is what he's done.

Keener may be a villain, but he's not extactly hard to understand.

"keener uses people" is kinda his whole shtick

[sick lantern]

📠

[waxen sonnet]

-SLAPS DESK- HE PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE

Also hi rivens glad to see you back you been disappeared for a while

[glad spruce]

That's how I see it. And at the very least, his chronic tendency to use his own prople

[wicked gorge]

Hasn’t he been doing that since div 1?

[ashen jungle]

@sleek plover This is starting to get towards an actual warning, tone down the hyperbole.

[obtuse arrow]

What if the hunter with the patriot mask was Agent Dunne

[glad spruce]

He's not

[gaunt ice]

...yet😉

[waxen sonnet]

He's not, I don't think Heather or Dunne will return as anything else but SHD Agents, if they were going to return related to Hunter's they'd have done so with Johnson's reveal

[glad spruce]

Anyways. Descent Comm, Log 83. Titled John

||Despite the title, Aaron Keener and Bridgette Douglas actually discuss about recruiting Rodney Bishop (One of the civvies who was rescued by Keener and was featured in Y5S3 comms). Douglas teases Keener that Bishop is in love with him and would take a bullet for the Rogue Agent. Where Keener retorts that Douglas would do the same, while she doesn't deny she'll take a bullet in the shoulder for him, though she'll have to take a bullet in the leg for him.||

||Keener doesn't take well with the notion with Rodney Bishop is in love with him, in which Douglas argues that Bishop is obsessed with Keener and thinks of him like a prophet. With that in mind, Keener believes Rodney Bishop is the perfect candidate to spread the gospel of the Noble Rogues.||

[glad spruce]

Manhunt Comm Log 11, Titled Change.

||Theo Parnell talks with Melanie Hoskins, asking about her husband and child and how did Melanie knew her husband was the person she wanted to spend the rest of her life with. Melanie correctly deduces that Theo is in love with Maral McCarthy (the civvie that Theo rescued twice and was featured in Y5S3 comms). ||

||Theo was in denial at first, but Melanie encourages him to ask Maral on a date given he rescued her twice and the woman finds him cute. She also advises Theo to make Maral feel special and give her a moment of normal and kindness, and he'll get her as his girlfriend||

[sick lantern]

is this the division or a tv drama

[glad spruce]

It's The Division

I'm surprised you didn't complain about Y5S1 comms considering a lot of it involved the civvies and Manny scoring a date with Mari, then getting her pregnant

[sick lantern]

that was pretty dumb too in more of a straight up disinteresting way

I still don't know what the supposed issue with Cindy using rockets is, that was stupid

and you know, fish tacos

[glad spruce]

Mari is the only person in the Castle who knows how to make Fish Tacos.

Also, Cindy used to have a tendency to be dissociated with real life. Not only because of Coney Island, but also because she was enthusiastic over the explosive action Kelso made in Grand Washington Hotel when we rescued Eleanor Sawyer

[sick lantern]

a meaningful dive into the psychological effects on a drone operator and their distance from their battlefield would be considerably more interesting than whatever this is
I understand it's filler either way but it reads like a lame fanfic

[glad spruce]

Sure, but this season is about Theo. So I don't see how a character have a romantic relationship is bad fanfic.

Unelss you're one of those people who think any kind of romance or love is cringe

[waxen sonnet]

Making Characters as shallow as "We're super bad all the time with no friends of family and our goals are just to be evil 24/7" doesn't work, Yes, there are Problems with some of the elements of how they're adding elements of the characters development, but its better to have something than Just "Keener Bad" or "Mari Fish lady"

[glad spruce]

^

[sudden mortar]

I wonder if ANNA is reading a script, or if she was genuinely questioning the riddles given by Theo on the manhunt.

[glad spruce]

She sounds confused. Cuz by the end of this week's Scout, she says it like Theo is in Cryostasis and we need to bust him out

[wicked gorge]

Character development works in mysterious ways my friend

I personally liked this week’s comm, shows even after the end of the world, life still thrives and there’s people who have no clue what to do with it

[gaunt ice]

they’re still dodging the whole Keener bad thing though.
theres not an inherent problem of him not being super omega evil like wony, but them not addressing his past crimes/outright ignoring it in favor of painting him as some sort of vigilante for like 2 seasons now just sounds like whitewashing and devalues the whole “working with the lesser evil” element here and makes it more of a cop out(granted reviving past dead villains is just as a cop out but it could’ve been executed better)

what his character is rn feels more in line with his div1 version where he did some good(saving people here n there) and a lot of bad(siding with LMB, killing agents) which leaves enough room to push his character to an anti hero trope more, instead they made him a mass murderer in wony and is now trying to scrape all of his past crimes away because he built a settlement and help some people!!!!!

[strange rock]

I just ask for a proper explanation as to why we're rogue on our chain of command and who actually runs the division
But yeah whitewashing Keener because "we need to defeat the hunters" and ignore the events of warlords and division 1 is taking the lazy way out. Also his and Theo staged death is still very poorly explained and I'm not sure why it's only applied to them and not every antagonist

We'll see what the dlc adds to the story since I'm guessing it's going to be more story driven

[wicked gorge]

We aren’t rogue technically, Divisions agents are given executive power and don’t need to respond to anyone except POTUS. Since Ellis did side with the Black Tusk, We’d technically would be considered rogue but since Ellis would be flagged as a traitor, it would nullify his power

[ashen jungle]

As far as we know, Ellis was never formally sworn in, right? Unless there's been something I've missed that happened recently.
So since Ellis is dead and probably wasn't even sworn in, who would technically be next in line? That joke about Manny in the base-campaign probably isn't that far off by this point, assuming no one else in the executive branch is still alive.

[wild crag]

While us being rogue is a debatable topic I do think our mission has changed a lot from what it was to begin with

Instead of preserving the government we’re pretty much just in a faction war as our own independent faction instead of acting as the government

We have nobody to report to, we’re just on our own desperately fighting the other groups

I don't think there's anybody left that can even declare us as rogue

[ornate gull]

Time change everything

Even through nothing much change

The old return to dust, another one replace it

[glad spruce]

Cool

[glad spruce]

Maybe Calvin McManus could declare us as one since he's the Secretary of Homeland Security

[wicked gorge]

Iirc, Ellis was sworn in at Raven Rock before flying to DC

[strange rock]

Who declares POTUS as traitor? Manny? Kelso? ISAC with all its loopholes?
I do agree, at this point we're just another faction

[waxen sonnet]

Was he not sworn in in the bunker that kept him safe, before he then travels to the White house?

Oh wait Phoenix beat me to it

[full parcel]

Is division 3 a real thing? Are they in the midst of making it?

[glad spruce]

Yes, Division 3 is a real thing. Yes, it's currently in development.

And this is a lore/story channel

[wicked gorge]

I guess the remnants of congress or Manny and the active JTF structure in D.C? At this point, there’s more questions with answers

[wicked gorge]

Hehe >:p

[sick lantern]

vaguely maybe sorta kinda

[sick lantern]

with the collapse of the central government it’s anyone’s word against Ellis’, but the people working against him are the actual continuity of the government or legitimate government agencies (SHD, JTF, Molossi kinda)

I know “common sense” isn’t a legal precedent, but it is common sense

[strange rock]

That's a more reasonable explanation but those agencies are under the administration's orders. If there was an alternative government official in the story trying to rebuild the US government and restore order vs McManus and Sokolova that would make things more credible. It's been what 2-3 months in game timeline since Ellis died and we don't know who's POTUS

[glad spruce]

Does it matter who would be POTUS at this point? As far as I'm concerned, anyone in the government who's still alive, I consider them the enemy

[waxen sonnet]

I'm am going to smack the pair of you so help me god be normal.

[glad spruce]

Guess Rivens deleted them

Anyways, I do enjoy the fact that ANNA started getting frustrated with Theo's riddles in this week's Scout

[waxen sonnet]

Suit yourself, I find it a bit uncomfortable in a way ANNA can even get annoyed with who she's supposed to "work" for

Goes to show the difference in her behaviour via her Artifical Intelligence

[late void]

Can't trust anything she says or implies though, she could be faking the frustration knowing that we feel that way so we think she's on our side. Likely she knows exactly where Theo is.

[waxen sonnet]

I Mean I dont trust all Involved, Regarding Keener, and Parnell, but also ANNA, who Unlike ISAC Doesnt seem to have the best interests of the agents at heart, Just whatever benefits her more so.

[late void]

Yeah we have no idea what her agenda truly is, could easily be manipulating all of us including Keener

[waxen sonnet]

Then again, I dont trust keener to not just be using us to help get the bigger threat of his back and turn around and betray us.

It'd be quite funny in a way to see if Keener tries it, only to realise he's been played by ANNA, Who backstabs him, Though that's entirely theoretical.

[sudden mortar]

yeah, I'm surprised that to this day, she didn't delete the joke I made about the 9/11 in this channel.

[glad spruce]

Let's keep in mind that ANNA was created by Claire Ortiz, so we should expect the AI to be wicked and sarcastic.

Then again, Claire seems to be the type of techbros who doesn't care for the ethics of her work

[late void]

That is very much his MO. Even these riddles are probably serving their purpose in one way or another (perhaps testing our ability to distinguish simulation enemies from real ones in the field)

[glad spruce]

And the Greek Mythology references across the trials in last season

[late void]

Although without the haptic feedback suits from descent, not sure how they'd mimic the 'getting shot' bit without raising suspicion.

[waxen sonnet]

Wouldnt surprise me if this isnt some form of elaborate delaying tactics, sending us on a goose chase for Theo while he's been put slap back right in the heart of not only our BOO, Barely a corridor over from the SHD Server room.

[sudden mortar]

It's possible, considering that Keener (or an unnamed rogue) managed to enter Haven to deliver a modified SHD watch to Kelso.

[ashen jungle]

Or she was given it during one of the dozen or so times she went on a mission, there's no reason for a Rogue to be so careless as to walk into an enemy stronghold.

It would help explain her nearly AFK activities whilst we had to draw all the gunfire.

[waxen sonnet]

Or when she got Electrocuted

The Irony of a "What if" that Kelso just came around from the shock and put a bullet in Keener

[wicked gorge]

See that would be logical but nah

[cold bramble]

so in the base of operations for new York, what is the new area called on the left of the base next to the weapons and gear where the civilians hang out and stay while the guy who gave out quest is standing.

[glad spruce]

Are you talking about Haven or the Div 1 BoO?

[cold bramble]

the Div 1 BoO

[tepid ibex]

The rewards claim vendor?

[ashen jungle]

You asked this question before, it's the GE area.

For the future: this channel is specifically to discuss the lore of The Division, 1 and 2, Unless you have a lore question about that room, keep it in the appropriate channel.

[cold bramble]

ok

[waxen sonnet]

Are you able for future reference to just change the subtitle element at the top of the channel tab to that?

Would solve so many issues with just that one line

[ashen jungle]

That is locked to the Admins, we're just the day-to-day managers.

[torn shoal]

bold of you to assume people read channel names even xd

so, i was out for a while, what did i miss ?

[glad spruce]

More discussions between Keener and Bridgette Douglas regarding the civilians they consider recruiting for his settlement in regards to Descent comms

Theo talking with Melanie Hoskins about the Hunter bunker in redacted and for advice

[torn shoal]

sounds juicy

i still need to get through the scouts

[wicked gorge]

The civilian area

I don’t think there’s an actual name for it

[gaunt ice]

honestly thats a given imo
his entire stitch is that he’s a selfish snake, it’d actually go against his character for him to not be playing the long con and no amount of “redemptive” acts he has done will ever wash that stench away from him(well not really, they might just write him to be a god damn hero at this point who knows)

no one should trust him is the point here

[midnight bluff]

Might be a stupid question but do we know who was the owner of the memento backpack who was hunting and killing hunters and rogue agents and collecting their axes and rogue watches as trophies?

[glad spruce]

Unknown. Could be a Division agent. Could be a rogue agent. Who really knows

[midnight bluff]

Aw, ok. I was just hoping there was maybe some info I might have missed because the rogue agents and especially the hunters were always this scary. So having a division, or maybe even a ggod rogue agent hunt the Hunters, who are known to hunt us and other division agents, is a really badass story concept.

[cold bramble]

yes

[glad spruce]

Reminder that tomorrow, we'll be getting the weekly Manhunt/Descent comm as per every Tuesday

[wicked gorge]

So what we wanna speculate the next comm is about

[sick lantern]

The Real Housewives of Brooklyn at this rate

[strange rock]

What a waste of a manhunt comm 🙄

[glad spruce]

I guess characters with their own lives is a waste of time

[glad spruce]

FWIW, next week's Manhunt comm will not involve Theo's personal life as there's only three comms related to that for Week 14/15/16

[true fox]

The recruiter insurance started working again out of nowhere, starting at the castle at night.

[glad spruce]

Descent comm, Log 84 titled Billings.

||Aaron Keener and Bridgette Douglas discuss whether to recruit Mitchell Billings, the psychiatrist. Douglas doesn't recommend recruiting him as she sees the doctor as loyal and too ethical to his oath. Moreover, Billings serves the community, takes care of anyone who needs help, doesn't care for politics when the whole struggle is political. Douglas thinks that the best case scenario is that the doctor would convince Keener to call off his ops against Natalya Sokolova and bend the knee before more people get killed.||

||Keener decides to not go forward with this, though Douglas still recommends recruiting Billings if Keener wants a psychiatrist to talk him down and make him emotionally healthy for the first time in his life.||

[glad spruce]

That's nice. Means players who missed out can get them now

[true fox]

yes

I'm also thinking they must be tweaking or testing something for the legacy

[glad spruce]

You mean Legacy Manhunts?

[true fox]

Yes.

I hope they are tweaking things, I wish I could provide feedback.

[glad spruce]

Well, I would love to have Legacy Manhunts make the entire Manhunt playable, not just the finale mission

[waxen sonnet]

**Manhunt Collectible Comm- Week 12 -"New" - TLDR Jack Edition **

||Theo Parnell Reports back to Agent Hoskins that her advice on how to approach the girl he liked worked, While Hoskins finds it sweet, she wanted to instead hear back that the Rogue Network had been completed. Theo insists "tomorrow" in response and goes back to thanking Hoskins for her advice on Romance so far, with Hoskins retorting she wasn't exactly an expert and just learning from her own past mistakes, while reminding him to prioritise his relationships more than his work.||

[wet cedar]

What happened to EU and the rest of the world guys?

Like the plague is only within the states or it’s a global event?

[glad spruce]

Global. There's a whole comms set where a CIA analyst makes status reports on the rest of the world while dealing with the Green Poison

[wet cedar]

So how’s the geopolitics? I mean in which situation they are?

I don’t think it’s like after a nuclear war for sure

[glad spruce]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Comms/Langley_Reports

[wet cedar]

So a world scale terrorist attack

[glad spruce]

I guess?

[waxen sonnet]

Same with any Viral Outbreak, Black death or COVID 19 for example, when you've something that doesn't show symptoms Immediately like the Green Poison doesn't, It gives perfect travel time for anyone infected to unknowingly cross borders and infect others, It's highly likely Amherst probably counted on that occurring when he was planning his actions, and by then it was up to the varying infected countries to respond as best as they could, to as @glad spruce points out through the Langley reports is a wildly mismatched response on a country or Contient basis

(Sorry for the Ping Hawkster I didnt meant to @ you there)

[glad spruce]

No worries. I should've been asleep by now xD

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, Sorry buddy!

[waxen sonnet]

Still wonder what Agent Edwards did to get wacked by a Hunter, I Helped a new player earlier do side missions including that one, and It's odd, Even for Hunters brutality to torture then demonstrate an Agent like that is unprecedented. I Get the feeling given Edward's death and the taunting the Hunter did to us it was nothing more than some form of twisted physiological warfare example to make agents jumpy

It's so entirely against the normal Hunter MO, The whole appear, Kill, disappear,

[glad spruce]

It's speculation on my end, but I reckon that Edwards got too close about trying to find out about the Hunters. So the Hunter tortured Edwards and taunted us as intimidation tactic.

[undone verge]

This is what happens when you get nosey. He was made as an example that you'll meet his fate if you try.

[gaunt ice]

some hunters have shown to be more brutal and sadistic than others so im not surprised tbh

he was also playing around during our encounter with him, could’ve easily axed us from the shadows or when he shocked us but nope just bolted out, like letting someone live to tell the story

[sudden mortar]

I remember back in the day people theorizing that we would be recruited to be a hunter.

[wicked gorge]

I thought the Hyenas were responsible for Edward death and torture then the hunter used his distress signal to lure in another agent

Plus I don’t think the hunters are the most sane people, also fear tactics are smart

[waxen sonnet]

He mentions in his radio call for help an Overrun control post, which leads me to think he Just thought he'd need backup on retaking a location, only for it to be an Ambush, the question is why an seemingly normal Agent got ambushed and brutally killed

[true fox]

I would also like to know. Additionally, finding his missing daughter would be a mission I would accept without a second thought.

The data he might have left behind could also be a possibility for exploration and connection.

[ornate gull]

No.... more like worldwide purge in the name of Mother Nature by Armherst

As he stated in Div1, he created the virus the weed out the corrupted,greed and overpopulated

"If you survive, then Mother Nature deemed you worthy"

[wicked gorge]

I was always disappointed we never got a follow up mission about his daughter cause I thought it was a Chekhov’s gun situation but never happened

[waxen sonnet]

Well yes, but we're not talking a natural disaster, we're talking a man-made intentional disaster, which would be terrorist

[wicked gorge]

Then he infected himself to see if he would be strong enough to survive

Me personally I wanna see the Dark Zone have a bigger importance in the division 3 besides PVP

[ornate gull]

Come to think of it

What long for NY Dark Zone to fully decontaminated with amount of corpse present?

[wicked gorge]

Hard to say, since by the Division 2 the virus has been mostly wiped out besides samples and groups like the outcast. The virus probably dies 1-2 weeks after the infected’s death but groups like the cleaners could speed up decontamination. If I had to guess, the DZ would be decontaminated in a few months but would take government structure to be restore before a actual clean up could happen

[waxen sonnet]

Depends, Nobody's really going to clean it out as it stands given the danger of the DZ in terms of actual in fighting between factions and rogues however

[wicked gorge]

Least the cleaners attempted to, even tho they killed a lot of innocents

[opaque glen]

so the only manhunt rogue i can name offhand is Jupiter. I have no idea what she did for the story, nor do I know what any of the other rogues did respectively. can someone give me a brief rundown of the manhunt targets and what they did to move the story forward?

(for reference I started playing during the faye lau season)

[glad spruce]

Manhunt Jupiter: Jupiter and her cell (aka team) alongside their Cleaners allies were planning to use EMP jammers with a built-in modifier developed by Vivian Conley to disrupt Division agents and their SHD Tech. We stopped them.

Manhunt Hornet: Hornet and his cell alongside their Outcasts allies were planning to use their own batch of Eclipse Virus to unleash terror on Washington D.C, but Division agents stopped that from happening.

Manhunt Schaeffer: BTSU Commander Bardon Schaeffer and his team of Rogue Agents were planning a proxy war against the Division. However, during the Manhunt, we see a Hunter. while we were eliminating Schaeffer's lieutenants. When we fight our way to Coney Island, the Hunter kills a bunch of Rikers and was persuaded by Schaeffer to fight us. We fought off the Hunter and killed him, then eventually captured Schaeffer after we wounded him. We also get introduced to Natalya Sokolova, the CEO of Black Tusk.

Manhunt Faye Lau: Faye Lau and her lieutenants came on the Division's radar and were planning something. After eliminating her lieutenants, we fight our way in Camp White Oak to eliminate Faye Lau. But half-way through, Lau kills President Ellis, then eventually manage to find her and kill her. The last two comms hinted that Lau's defection to Black Tusk wasn't out of loyalty to them, but something else.

That's all of Year 2 Manhunts storyline summarized.

[glad spruce]

Manhunt Hidden Alliance (Season 9): Agent Kelso discovers that Faye Lau left a series of encrypted audio logs as insurance policy while Division agents deal with resurgent True Sons led by General Anderson in D.C and focusing efforts on Captain Fred Lewis and his lieutenants. After eliminating his lieutenants, we find Captain Lewis at Jefferson Trade Center and work together against Black Tusk. During the fighting, we discover a Hunter dubbed The Recruiter and a BTSU Operative Jack Bonney is in the area for a "test"
After we kill Bonney, we discover he had a Smart Watch with a Classified status. Lau's encrypted audio logs reveal many things: Calvin McManus, the Secretary of Homeland Security, is allied with Natalya Sokolova. The Hunters work for Homeland Security. Lau and Bardpn Schaeffer were working secretely together, to warn the Division. Hence, how we managed to capture Schaeffer at Coney Island as he was acting as bait.

Manhunt Price of Power (Season 10): After the events of Season 9, General Anderson decides to re-establish the alliance between the True Sons and Black Tusk. Captain Lewis wants nothing to do with this alliance, so he reaches out to the Division and his former friend Manny Ortega to help disrupt this. While we eliminated Anderson's lieutenants, Captain Lewis and a number of True Sons defectors were captured and sent to Pentco Fairview Power Plant (the setting for Countdown game mode).
We managed to rescue Lewis and kill Anderson's escort, but General managed to escape and officially re-establish True Sons/Black Tusk alliance. Despite that, we got a number of True Sons defectors, Lewis, and Wally as allies.

Manhunt Reign of Fire (Season 11): After Season 10, Natalya Sokolova comes out of the shadows working for her own agenda. A team led by EoD specialist Stovepipe are making moves in D.C. And with rumors about Saint Louis that got peppered with dirty bombs (See the Recruited novel for details), the Division decides to take action against Stovepipe and his squadmates.
Throughout the hunt, Stovepipe learns the truth about the dirty bombs and gets angry at Sokolova. We go to Coney Island to deal with Stovepipe, but we find him dead and walked into an ambush. After dealing with the ambush, including a prototype flamethrower Warhound, we go back to D.C to repel Black Tusk's assault on the White House. After that was done, we learn that Black Tusk used a countermeasure to disrupt SHD Network/Tech during the assault and that Captain Lewis was killed by a Hunter.

And to add more salt to the wound, Natalya Sokolova leaves a recording from a Hunter drone. In that recording, she taunts Manny and proclaims that Washington D.C, the US, and the whole world belongs to "them" and that "they'll take what's rightfully theirs". Worse, the Black Tusk kidnapped civilians of the Castle Settlement, which included Mari Singh, Vikram Malik, Cindy McAllister, etc...
Sokolova tells Manny that if he wants Mari, he should give up the White House to Black Tusk

That's all of Year 4 Manhunts story summarized.

There's still Year 5 to summarize, so I apologize for the long essay

[glad spruce]

Manhunt Broken Wings (Y5S1): We go across Washington D.C to rescue the first group of civilians kidnapped by Black Tusk (John Yazzie, Eva Garcia, Lauren Fong, Mitchell Billings, and Mari Singh). Throughout the rescues, we learn that Natalya Sokolova had her Black Tusk treat the civvies humanely and allowing them to work based on their backgrounds, which puzzled Manny. We eventually rescue Mari at Manning Zoo, and have her reunite with Manny, who reveals that they have a daughter on the way. Long story short, both Manny and Mari started a relationship and Mari got pregnant before she got kidnapped. We also get to introduced to the first series of Year 5 Descent comms which details the secret history between Ortiz Robotics, The Division, and Black Tusk.

Manhunt Puppeteers (Y5S2): Again, we rescue the second group of civilians kindapped by Black Tusk (Cindy McAllister, Mel Arnold, Jack Arnold, and Vikram Malik) so we could find and hunt down The Recruiter. After Vikram Malik, we go to Camp White Oak to go rescue his adopted sister, Birdie. During the fighting, we learn that The Recruiter is a Division Agent working for Calvin McManus. With Birdie's help, we managed to defeat the Recruiter

However, the revelation that a Hunter is embedded as Division agent brought quesitons, mainly if Agent Kelso can be trusted. Additionally, we go to Meret Estate to help repel the Cleaners assault led by a Hunter named Wright and a pair of Cleaner couple called The Lovebirds who were using Rogue SHD Tech. After that was done, Mackenzie Meret and the survivors of her community settlement were sent to Haven to recover

Manhunt Vanguard (Y5S3): We got New York to follow Agent Kelso's trail after she went missing. During the trail, we learn many things. Cassandra is the codename for Faye Lau as she was working secretely working with Aaron Keener to infiltrates Black Tusk and undermine both the PMC and the Hunters. Bridgette "Viper" Douglas is a Hunter. And that Theo Parnell managed to fake his death during our encounter with him in WONY by deceiving ISAC and using a copy of ANNA.

While we follow Kelso's signal in the Stranded Tanker, we eliminate True Sons/Black Tusk forces including a Hunter who was out for vengeance against us for killing the Recruiter. We enter the tanker, and try to open a crate, only to be given a shock therapy. Aaron Keener, supposedly back from the dead, copies ANNA system from his old watch we have on us to his current one and opens the crate, taking a Mobile SHD Server. He, Theo, and Kelso leave New York via a van with Kelso now marked as Rogue.

After this, we go back to Haven where we learn that Keener left a recording for us. There, he explains that his "death" in Liberty Island was a deception, his crusade against Natalya Sokolova and Calvin McManus, and wanting to parnter with us now that Kelso is working with him.

There, Year 5 Manhunts summarized

Once again, I'm very sorry for the long essay

[glad spruce]

If any mod or manager of this server can pin my summaries, I'll owe you big time

[true fox]

If you don't need to apologize, this channel is special.

Can anyone tell me if the watches that hunters carry on their bodies are for decoration, rewards, etc. or...

Are they used in any way?

[late void]

Trophies

[true fox]

Even the recruiter uses it, are there 3 under his cover, or is that concept art just... Conceptual?

[glad spruce]

I think it's concept art. Cuz we don't see any watches in his outfit in the game

[true fox]

Understood

[sleek plover]

Actually cleaners made it harder to develop the cure because they destroy all the samples while viruses, being viruses, are destined to mutate.

[waxen sonnet]

Also in one of the older Season trailers, multiple captured Watches are connected up to the BT network, Presumably those watches are some of those claimed by Hunter's,

[waxen sonnet]

No BRICK either

[glad spruce]

Yep

[glad spruce]

Season 11 launch trailer, I believe

[waxen sonnet]

https://youtu.be/gefdNytrmuc?t=36

42 (give or take) SHD Watches

I was wondering last night, given that on one side we've Agents Working with Keener, and On the other you've the reveal Hunters are not only SHD Agents but working under Mcmanus for the BTSU, What the hell kinda position that's left the three node's in, esentially stuck in the middle.

[glad spruce]

Y'know, I've always seen the in-engine cutscene from those launch trailers as a preview to what the season's storyline brings.

Not counting the in-engine that shows loot and content, of course

[wicked gorge]

Off topic but I hate I noticed when the rocket launchers were firing, their covers were still on

[sudden mortar]

Some of those cutscenes are kinda inconsistent with the time they are set. Like, the stovepipe one (when our agents were show on Coney island) and Schaeffer manhunt make sense because that is the place you're gonna be on the mission, and others take place way before the manhunt itself but doesn't show an exact time, like the Captain Lewis and maybe Theo manhunt also.

[wicked gorge]

We don’t believe in logic anna, just stupidity and dumb luck

[flint nimbus]

Just caught up on all the legacy manhunts with my buddy and holy shit, does the story ever take a wild turn!

[glad spruce]

Imagine how it felt when we went through Season 11 expecting a W, only to be jebaited

[gaunt ice]

i think its agreed generally that trailers aren’t very canon

[midnight bluff]

I have a question. Is or agent doing all the missions solo, or are we always in a group. I know we are called sherif, but are we ever acknowledged as this unstoppable force that always seems to defy the odds, or not because gameplay wise we may be alone but lore wise we are always in a group?

[waxen sonnet]

S P A R K L E S

I Retain a near life long hatred of that Robot.

That last one against Keener was awful too, and dont get me started on Johnson's immune to damage drone.

[ashen jungle]

Actually, the game has vaguely hinted at both us being solo, and in a group. So I guess it's the same as what happened to our div1 agent: grey canon.

[midnight bluff]

Does charachters ever acknowledge in coms or lore bits how unstoppable out agent actually is. I heard someone say that Natalia in a comms interaction specifically wanted the sheriff gone from the white house because the black tusk raid would have been a massacre for their own otherwise, but I can't seem to find it.

[glad spruce]

I don't think there's a comm for that.

I know one comm from Profile: Agent Kelso mentions us as doing what needs to be done. But any comm that mentions our terrifying prowess? I don't think so.

[midnight bluff]

Aw man. Thanks for info!

[glad spruce]

The final comm from Y5S3 aka the recording that Keener sent us to Haven after the climax mission basically acknowledges has him us as survivors and the whole reason why he wants to partner with us in Y6S1 cuz he knows how powerful we are.

[midnight bluff]

That's really interesting! Thank you for some more info!

[wicked gorge]

I like the idea of WONY aside from keener and Theo faking their deaths but also a trial to see if there was an agent strong enough to combat the bigger problem

[ashen jungle]

That's all about 4 years past WONY, just an FYI.

WONY ends with Keener trying to commit mass genocide and then not-dying.

[wicked gorge]

I know that, but isn’t the whole lore now that Keener wasn’t actually gonna bomb New York with the eclipse missile

Also wdym four year past? My brain isn’t braining atm

[sick lantern]

not established yet

[sick lantern]

as in the wony dlc is over four years old

two months til five, actually

[wicked gorge]

I hate that I didn’t understand that

[ashen jungle]

@merry matrix This channel is for discussing the lore of the div games, you're looking for #lfg-playstation. GL Agent

[waxen sonnet]

What's the Theory with Stalker Hunters, I'm assuming they're almost an Advanced Scout or Reconnaissance Intel gathering for McManus, I Just witnessed one Just sitting atop a building at the Washington Monument Just watching True son's below him, and it's just....Strange to see compared to what we all Know hunters to be like

[kind hare]

They can't stay in a bunker all the time... gotta stretch the ol' legs

[waxen sonnet]

Too true, Avid Birdwatchers I'm sure. But seriously it's strange we see them Just watching specific areas or target's but then flee rather than engage us, they could easily ambush us (And I'm sure after we took out Johnson we're certainly a high value target) yet it all seems like just intimidation to show they can find you.

[waxen sonnet]

I mean depending on the player Agent we've killed about 30 so you'd think the Stalkers would be reassigned to more important roles or taskings

[storm axle]

Sup

One thing in div 2 doesnt make sense to me

Okay two

Why president ordered JTF, to exacuate from DC and why JTF font secure this old camps between White House and Washington Monument

Ok

[waxen sonnet]

The JTF We see in the Division 2 are a small force, with most of the JTF, especially its High command and officer's, being away from Washington DC, Manny Ortega receives orders from them and provides Updates on events within the Capital via Radio communications, as we learn via the "JTF Comms" Collectibles you can find in game.

With Elements of the JTF forming into the True sons, and the chaos caused by Outcast and Hyena attacks, the JTF Were suffering heavy losses of people and equipment they couldn't afford, so most were pulled out of DC and sent elsewhere

Which is also what leads to the Camps falling, Simply, the shortage in manpower made them easy targets to the other factions, which were growing in strength until the arrival of the Division Agents such as the player's characters significantly changed the odds back in the JTF/Civilian Militia's favor.

[storm axle]

Makes sens now

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah, so there's three or so important parts of the JTF Comms you can find in game that help explain why they're not all in DC:

"JTF MAJOR: I'm working on it, but everybody's been hit hard by disease and desertions. And we can't just ignore border security and viral installations."

"JTF MAJOR: We're lost contact with outposts all over the country. I'm honestly not sure we'll make it through this one."

JTF COMMANDER: Yeah, you don't know half of it, son. I got a clusterf of a botched quarantine to clean up, and a full-bird colonel to arrest. President Mendez seems incapable of deciding what fing socks to wear every morning, let alone what to do about our country falling apart. And in the meantime, the streets are burning.**

[glad spruce]

Man, some of those White House/JTF staff weren't really fond of President Mendez, huh?

[waxen sonnet]

Nope, which is Ironic given his loss brought us Ellis.

Who arguably is worse.

[brazen orbit]

Anybody that has a good long video: or playlist of videos that compiles the full division story and all seasons (chronologically) somewhat detailed? would love to catch up on all i missed and jump in when the new story dlc drops fully caught up.

[sudden mortar]

just check NGN channel on yt

[waxen sonnet]

NGN Will be your go to guy for that. I've got you some links to help you out.

You've got his quick Synopsis of each storyline from season 1-11 here (16 minutes):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unuvZMPRr4Y&pp=ygUcTkdOIERpdmlzaW9uIHNlYXNvbiBjYXRjaCB1cA%3D%3D

Or his much Longer complete In depth Season 1-11 here (4+hours)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSZ8H3QEDV4

You've also his Division 1 and 2 Complete storyline here, But it is now two years old so may miss elements of the story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv25EcYVfLs&pp=ygUcTkdOIERpdmlzaW9uIHNlYXNvbiBjYXRjaCB1cA%3D%3D

You'll also find his more up to date Season's content on the channel that don't yet feature in a Long format video.

Anything you get stuck on with any of the newer stuff or the references to the books etc we can help fill you in on it too.

[brazen orbit]

I made the mistake of juming in on TD2 and completing the story there and now i'm only doing TD1 playtrough. i had a really random side mission/echo of aaron keener shooting someone in TD1. I wonder if his backstory get build upon more.

[waxen sonnet]

So I did something similar, I have never played the Division 1 and Only TD2, What I will strongly say however is learn yourself either through playing or Watching The Division 1, as Character and Plot points reoccur in The Division 2 that you will highly benefit from understanding.

[sick lantern]

this ECHO is an absolute enigma

[sick lantern]

he really just shoots some guy in an alley

only time we ever hear from the First Wave Commander

[glad spruce]

Good thing tomorrow's the maintenance cuz I'll be in my part-time work

[waxen sonnet]

What week is it tomorrow, the 12th?

[glad spruce]

The 13th

[kind hare]

I'm working on a more up to date version of the full story now, should be done in the next week or two.
It's looking to be about 4 hours long, but I'd still consider it as a brief overview of the story.

[waxen sonnet]

Quite the Project, Will you include recent elements such as the storyline's elsewhere in the US we're seeing tied into cannon slowly, such as Silver creek through Descent Comms or the Operation Crossroads books?

Either way, I dont envy you for such a mammoth task

[kind hare]

Sadly no. I not actually that happy with how the Seasonal/manhunt portion has ended up.
Too summarised.
I plan on updating this over time. There are 10 hours worth of comms alone, just in the seasons and Descent - both of which I didn't go too deep into.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, even the admins in the wiki are aware how giant it is to write transcripts for Descent comms

[kind hare]

Whoa, they do that?
I hope they're using an online transcriber - would save them a lot of time!

[glad spruce]

Yep. I've done transcripts for Year 5/Y6S1 Manhunt comms through watching videos by a Youtuber named rogue_agent.

[waxen sonnet]

You should check out here on Tuesday's, one of us here will normally transcript the season and descent simulation comm of the week to discuss as a group

[kind hare]

RG is a good dude, and he's fully up to date with the descent comms

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I usually do summaries for Descent comms whenever they're released

[kind hare]

Doing the lords work!

[glad spruce]

Thanks!

[kind hare]

A labour of love

[glad spruce]

Though I owe it to your videos and getting back to the game during the final month of Y5S2 to start this out 😄

[waxen sonnet]

Not RG, Its actually a smaller Youtuber (https://www.youtube.com/@rogueagent2477/videos) called Rogue Agent, who used to do a lot of the Descent Comms weekly's were he'd simply record the audio log for players such as myself who dont play the mode to keep up to date with the lore from it!

Unfortunatley I think he stopped recently as I've not seen him upload much anymore.

[glad spruce]

He still uploads the videos, just on his secondaary account

[waxen sonnet]

Ah, Here you go @kind hare this ones the up to date one of his Channels https://www.youtube.com/@Rogue_Agent-s4w/videos
Might be super helpful for you just to help cut down editing time by getting a transcript without needing to run it yourself

[kind hare]

Oh I wasn't aware, I'll look him up.
I don't watch a lot of Division youtube videos funnily enough. I mostly only watch smaller channels 😅

[waxen sonnet]

Yeah. he's a smaller channel but pretty Invaluable to myself and others given I dont play Descent well enough to grind the Comms

[kind hare]

It CAN be quite a drain doing it every week. Thats why I'm about 4 weeks behind

[glad spruce]

Well, I'm one of the few who's up to date lol

[kind hare]

Good effort

[waxen sonnet]

Thats because you overwork yourself unhealthily my guy I keep telling you to let others take some of the weight off you, Considering you do the weekly Descent Comms, Sometimes season Comms and then write ups of entire seasons for your new role at the Wiki.

So help me god you're going to have a break even if I have to fly to the UAE To make you

[glad spruce]

Maybe, but I haven't written the Manhunt comms transcripts for Y6S2 considering we don't have them all yet 😛

I'll let someone else take that

[waxen sonnet]

Wouldn't worry about it until we get the finale anyway.

[glad spruce]

Exactlyt

[waxen sonnet]

I still don't think I've an solid theory of the finale right now, I'm assuming, or at least Theorising, with the heavy use of Holograms in the seasonal promotion trailers, Theo's going to use his Holograms to trick someone into an encounter, only to trap them until we are able to arrive.

[glad spruce]

Considering the launch trailer and the seasonal keyart emphasizes use of holograms, your theory might hold some water

[waxen sonnet]

We've sortta established how the Holographic simulations work now, and how good Parnell is at creating them throughout the season, so its Likely been put in place as an explanation to something we'll see in the future (Season finale) as well as an explanation into his past survival (Events of WONY)

[wicked gorge]

The thought of a hunter just swinging at a hologram and it disappears and another one turns on across the room is a priceless thought now

[waxen sonnet]

Honestly as a tactic its brilliant too, a Hunter being put off balance by not having the biggest tricks in the room anymore, angered, potentially panicked they've fallen into an ambush and acting out, tiring themselves out even before your agent fights them.

[brazen orbit]

awesome, can't wait. Will that include TD1 and then all the way up to TD2 and the season we are currently in?

[kind hare]

Start of TD1 until now.
But like I said earlier. More of a brief overview.
If you frequent this channel - you already have more information 🙂

But given my last summary video was only 38 minutes long, and was from a couple of years ago, this is still more information for new and returning players than before

[waxen sonnet]

Week complete, stand by for Transcript.

[waxen sonnet]

Y6S2 -WEEK 13 Season Comm Collectible "Nemesis" 21/01/2025 - Transcripted by JackBarsetto
"Nemesis - "Theo Parnell Asks Trig about the Nemesis Program"

|| Theo Parnell: "So, tell me about the Nemesis." ||

|| Mathias "Trig" Schneider: "What do you want to know?" ||

|| Theo Parnell: "Can it render anything or just humanoids?" ||

|| Mathias "Trig" Schneider: "Anything you can scan, it can render. But the animations may get strange. A shark swimming on land, It breaks the realism of the simulation." ||

|| Theo Parnell: "But it was fun, right?" ||

|| Mathias "Trig" Schneider: "You've never lived until you've been murdered by a jackalope." ||

|| Theo Parnell: "That's amazing, Can we spawn friendlies?" ||

|| Mathias "Trig" Schneider: "In Theory." ||

|| Theo Parnell: "Could I fight with Bigfoot?" ||

|| Mathias "Trig" Schneider: "Theoretically, but, I doubt Claire would go for it" ||

|| Theo Parnell:" Working with Bigfoot would be Awesome." ||

|| Mathias "Trig" Schneider: "You'd have to find a perfect scale render, data gets weird under copyright and may be too difficult, but anything that the lens scans could be reproduced in the Simulation. So if you find Bigfoot, then you could make him a squad." ||

|| Theo Parnell: "So, all I would need to do to render my team would be to look at them and ask ISAC to upload the asset to the Simulation?" ||

|| Mathias "Trig" Schneider: "ANNA, You would need ANNA to do it, but, you find a Mobile SHD Server and access her backdoor into the Simulation and anything is possible. ||

@kind hare If you need yourself the written transcript for any Subtitles or script work on YouTube for a video on this weeks Season, be my guest to Just copy and past my write up here as you've mentioned written transcripts would be helpful for you.

[glad spruce]

So, in simpler terms, Keener and Theo ||faked their deaths using a copy of the simulation and ANNA's backdoor access to the Nemesis program, I'm guessing||

[waxen sonnet]

I think the implication is we're learning now || Just how easy they're going to be able to replicate things and people in the present and future, if all it requires now they have the mobile SHD Server is just a visual range scan via a Smart-tek lenses ||

[glad spruce]

Oh yeah, ||that'd be a good psychological weapon against Black Tusk troops, for instance||

[waxen sonnet]

Absolutely. As a tool for Imitation, It's going to be second to none.

And clearly we're getting in depth descriptions of the mechanisms of the system likely with the understanding that now we know how it works, we can expect to see it used either for something singularly big (Perhaps in the DLC), or multiple times throughout the close future (The ending for this season).

[torn shoal]

sounds kinda busted tbh

i mean what is the counter even

[waxen sonnet]

Any form of EMP Pulse I would imagine can counter it, as its produced electronically, Disabling or capturing the Mobile SHD Server, a system like ANNA Who can seemingly create the decoys must be able to identify holograms from real targets etc.

Whenever you create electronic or Cyber warfare, all that happens is shortly after you'll get some form of Counter warfare, I assume it'll be no different soon enough given the Hunters or BTSU technology.

[glad spruce]

Descent log 85, titled Bishop.

||Bridgette Douglas discusses with Aaron Keener about having Rodney Bishop in charge of his settlement's supplies. as Keener considers Bishop trustworthy and loyal. Douglas thinks Bishop is a fanboy and believes he has a crush on Keener. which the rogue agent finds ridiculous, then clarifies that Bishop isn't out to have [redacted] with Keener, but is in love with the idea of who he is. Keener remarks that it is part of his charismatic leadership.||

||Which makes Douglas ask Keener if he's building a cult, with Keener answering he's building a community, but clarifies there's a fine line between a community and a cult. Douglas states that having someone like Bishop to spread the ''gospel'' of Keener doesn't hurt either, which the rogue agent agrees.||

[torn shoal]

||Cant wait for the church of keener||

[ember vector]

Keener is in league with Joseph Seed then!

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I'm convinced that Descent comm 83 has the wrong audio cuz it makes no sense to have the comm decribe John Yazzie while the audio talks about Rodney Bishop.

[shell parrot]

How come they can’t just drop the entire glasses manhunt I have two left

[sudden mortar]

Because it's weekly

[glad spruce]

It's currently 13/20. So we have 3 Scout weeks left and 4 comms to get from the finale mission.

[waxen sonnet]

Febuary 11th is the end date iirc.

[glad spruce]

Yep

And February 25th is the final Descent comm, at least for this season

[shell parrot]

It sucks

[torn shoal]

it was kinda the same before tho

[glad spruce]

Yeah, you had to wait a whole month for 4 comms.

[torn shoal]

yeah, it was kinda worse, you used to play every 3/4 weeks thats it

[glad spruce]

@feral tusk
(#division-universe message)

[feral tusk]

I see now

This shit is like if the mgs series got addicted to crack

[glad spruce]

I haven't even got to summarizing to Y6S1 yet, as I'm still waiting on the finale mission for the current season (Y6S2)

[sick lantern]

true

[sudden mortar]

I don't know if this is canon or not but if you get down while fighting BT on the ferry upper deck with Kelso, she is gonna use a defibrillator to get you up. While the civilians use syringes in control points. This makes me wonder if the SHD provided defibrillators to some agents during activation.

[waxen sonnet]

Which is also a standalone because our agent's reviving other agents by doing nothing but doing some form of beep boop beep on the smart watch instead of a defibrillator

Honestly,they likely just reused the animation to save time from the likes of the true sons medic ncp

[true fox]

A little worrying, just 20 collections is enough to explain all the plans that Theo participated with Keener? Still nothing about Missil Eclipse for example.

[true fox]

Honestly, I wanted you to have a slightly more realistic help animation, the orange circular loading kept, but the physical of helping a companion like Ghost Recon for example would not be bad.

[glad spruce]

We're still 3 weeks away from the finale mission, and that finale mission itself will have 4 comms

I bet 500 Polycarbonate that the Eclipse Missile area was simulated.

[ashen jungle]

If that's the case, I want a refund of WONY.

[true fox]

my God...

I don't think I'm ready for it and ready at the same time, I don't know the right word, but as I will explain such a thing to other people.
Obviously starting (if it's real) because Manhattan was a target in the first place.
Theo may say some since the season is his but ..
Sometimes I think it would be great to have an explanatory introductory video of Aaron Keener (like that video before season 9) saying everything in the interrogation and Kelso as well, as his trial will come from her.

[glad spruce]

You probably should've asked for a refund by the end of Y5S3 😛

[glad spruce]

A story recap for Year 4, 5 and Y6S1/S2 would be nice

[waxen sonnet]

Ok but hold my beer (so to speak)

The Eclipse Missile was real, but the TARGET was the lie, Keener will probably now say he was targeting BTSU Or Hunters with it

[ashen jungle]

Theo+Keener still being alive did almost trigger the refund request.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, that makes more sense