td2-build-advice

[tulip charm]

i did hit a hunter for 60m before

[magic pilot]

Snipers used to be way more common

[acoustic coral]

Need to have damage numbers in chat, as the 19.789.226 is the health of the named in the shooting range

[rich lotus]

How do I enable that again

I disabled it because it was spammy asf at one point

nvm found it

Welp

I guess I was way past it lol

[magic pilot]

Is that with nemesis?

[rich lotus]

700

[magic pilot]

Should be good then

Unless I'm wrong about the health

[rich lotus]

Nemesis 1st 2nd and third

How much health does hunter have?

[magic pilot]

If you needed more dmg for whatever reason 2 Habsburg on chest and bp

[rich lotus]

Depends on if 1 tapping hunter is possible or not lol

[magic pilot]

Will mess up HH stacking though

[magic pilot]

With HH absolutely

[acoustic coral]

Was just about to ask how your nem got so high, but my nem is so poorly rolled

[magic pilot]

And he has DtooC on it

[rich lotus]

nem is my baby

[acoustic coral]

I never bothered to roll it, because I just WD (haven't gotten a proper replacement yet)

[magic pilot]

WD is fine

[rich lotus]

I rerolled it like 4 times and got both core's at like 95% and dotc maxed

Pretty much god roll lol

[acoustic coral]

I know, just want me an M700 Carbon, M700 Tactical and SR-1 with DTTOC and Determined :3

[magic pilot]

I've been using Brutus

[rich lotus]

My world sniper

[magic pilot]

Stopped using determined so I can work on my aim and also it's not allowed for glitchless speedruns now

[rich lotus]

It's considered a glitch?

[magic pilot]

According to the speedrun community yes

[rich lotus]

Weird

[magic pilot]

There was a group vote, that's why all the runs don't use it now

[rich lotus]

Could've just splitted

Det/no det

[magic pilot]

It is

[rich lotus]

Ahh then its fair

[magic pilot]

Glitchless and glitch

[rich lotus]

Just weird it's labeled as glitch but whatevs

[magic pilot]

If chopper skipping and super dragging was still easy they would do that as well ok

Idk if it's completely patched or just not worth the setup time

[rich lotus]

Time to try the build in cd

See how it goes brb

[acoustic coral]

Good thing I ain't speedrunning then.

[magic pilot]

Fair

[acoustic coral]

(and I can also aim without determined, I just prefer it as it reminds me of CS awping)

[rich lotus]

I can aim pretty well, pretty much a sweat comp player lol but det just makes it so I don't need to use my brain to farm things

Farming on this game is already boring enough

[acoustic coral]

at some point I'll get into some more nemesis gameplay, but I have a bad habit of releasing the scope button at the same time which makes the nem just not shoot, soneed to unlearn that first

[glossy scarab]

that sucks but its kinda comical

[rich lotus]

Apparently its not enough to 1tap

Golds

Maybe its 31 and not 21

[acoustic coral]

It's because I hold-to-aim in div and often wanna get back in cover while sniping/just be able to see more, so I unscope which is succ with nem

[hexed steppe]

been forcing myself to use regulus build for everything lately for the same reason. actually getting some good chains finally

[granite girder]

Guys iam looking for a memento pvp build that i can use in the DZ

[solar sable]

isn't memento more for pve?

[rich lotus]

It only isnt used on pvp due to stacking taking 30 years

If you die then you gotta repeat it again

[tawdry stream]

def for pve, super situational in DZ. you'd need to clear a landmark and hope someone attacks you

[patent fossil]

made this build for practicing my sniping aim when solo, the turret & drone help keep enemies moving unpredictably, future perfect gets them up to tier 6/OC

[tulip charm]

if you're farming memento is cool

[granite girder]

not bed but iam looking for something more up close and personal

[modern heron]

Is there a good skill build that works with memento and the morter if so wat would it be? Asking for a friend he just got the game

Or a good tank setup

[slate wedge]

tomorrow maybe

comparison between l86 and f2000 in pvp

[wise swallow]

can you send me a copy of the spreadsheet so i can try myself (and most likely fuck it up)

[hexed steppe]

You can run memento on skillbuilds but its usually less damage. If it is charged it will give 30% skill efficiency (% in every skill buckets [skill damage, haste, duration, status effects, skill health, skill repair])
Mortar or fire can double dip the damage and status effects from that efficiency.
It's just a trade off and will be missing damage until you get 30 kills.

[lyric prism]

momento is not the best for skill builds because you have to go get the 'trophy' drops out in the battlefield. long term it works if you are doing a bigger mission but there are better backpack talents to use nevermind brand/gear sets.

if they really want a skill build - go do five challenges in Summit, get them a Capacitor. If you go this route make sure you SELECT the challenges once in Summit, they do not auto apply. do them on Normal for easy run.

an easy chest talent to use until they understand the game better would be Kinetic Momentum.

[autumn pelican]

are these good stats for a full red striker build?

[lyric prism]

if you have Coyote yes

but still a little short.

[autumn pelican]

yeah i do have coyote

[lyric prism]

roll a piece or put a mod in for chc.

[upper patrol]

i got one but never gave it more than 5 minutes of gameplay, isn't it a bit slow to kill?

[lyric prism]

or make sure the gun if not an exotic has chc mods.

[upper patrol]

Like you need to charge and stuff?

[lyric prism]

roll one piece of gear to chc or change a chd mod out which is presuming you will use Elmo's for 99% of shooting.

also get a Ceska chest, not holster.

you want to have the chest talent from a high end choice, obliterate for unbreakable depending on you.

[autumn pelican]

Aight. its all i have atm 😓 still farming ceska gear

[lyric prism]

Countdown, choose loot, rain from the sky.

[autumn pelican]

yeah sadly its been avoiding me lol

[lyric prism]

challenge mode version, follow the herd, dont' solo a hunter.

yea, it will do that. what youtube is for.

sitting there and spending an hour collecting.

[autumn pelican]

yeah ik been running countdown for days now

but only this day for ceska gear 😅

[lyric prism]

yea, you will, you will do far more as you do different ways to play. few years ago it was impossible to get gear. Countdown was supposed to be the end times but Ubisoft decided to give us more to do.

yay new content.

[autumn pelican]

thanks!

[rich lotus]

Not really

Depends on how well you can aim

[acoustic coral]

Clarification if you don't know: You only really run striker chest in raid/incursion/situations where you can get 150+ stacks, but else have fun grinding ^^

[acoustic coral]

At low SHD, I get it, but once you get into the groove and get proper gear? Can't remember the last time I did challenging countdown.

Anybody looking for a blue core pristine example?

[upper patrol]

this is fucking OP, can't stop running control points with it 🥲 how can i make even better?

[patent fossil]

if you swap backpack for airaldi with regular vigilance you'll do more damage at max HH stacks, although tbf you probably don't actually need more damage

could also swap the model 700 for an SR-1 for better reload & handling at the cost of slightly lower damage

[upper patrol]

only situation that i think i would need more damage is when doing duo's with a friend on heroic Control Points

Else 26M shreds everyone, except npcs with helmet

[acoustic coral]

M700 Tactical, M700 Carbon or SR-1
And then get to maxxing your last gear pieces + consider the airaldi, but that's hardcore min-max

[patent fossil]

even in 4 player scaling you'll be one-shotting everything except bosses, and you can probably manage them with nemmy

if you really want to min-max damage, replace chest and backpack with hapsburg. Good luck farming/crafting those with the right rolls though (since you have to recalibrate the core)

[wise swallow]

Hotshot HH and determined is ridiculus. I dont even use it as a sniper lmao just run at enemy and quick scope cuz it doesnt even matter where i get them

[upper patrol]

White death for the HS damage?

[acoustic coral]

White Death was BiS pre-resolve, just haven't gotten an M700/SR-1 I'm happy with since

[upper patrol]

oh ok

yeah will need to grind for those

time for countdowns

[patent fossil]

farm up a nice adrestia for the full unicorn (it can't be recalibrated)

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, just hasn't been my focus, I've got a few ready but they need a lot of opti so considering farming more - just doing side-quests really, because I hit 26.8M with my WD, not like I need it

[acoustic coral]

Maybe when I hit 10K SHD, because I don't like TB that much

[modern heron]

Thanks for the info ill tell them

[dreamy valve]

wait, so Regulus with dtooc is better than Headshot?

same as nemesis?

[hexed steppe]

separate multiplier. reg and sniper builds stacked with hsd already

[solar sable]

How much AOK is that?

[magic pilot]

Doesn't l86 blow it out of the water?

[magic pilot]

I use bloodsucker solo

[hexed steppe]

looks to be around 50%

[wise swallow]

5.1% increase in dmg per sec

Wouldnt call it blowing it out of the water

but better

[magic pilot]

You also get an extra brand since you don't need fenris

[lyric prism]

ninja bag and...idk.

[upper patrol]

hmmm i actually took time to read the weap

i was not waiting b4 releasing

nemesis btw

[wise swallow]

assuming your build was already using contractors yea

actually no

thats already accounting for extra brand

he said fenris/groupo

so im assuming he used fenris for f2k and groupo for l86

[magic pilot]

Ahh gotcha

[upper patrol]

Question about Nemesis, is 14M a good number for the first shot?

countdown first shot charged lol

[shy willow]

💀

[magic pilot]

It's a little low

[whole sable]

can i get some advice on my build? this was made like a couple years back before i left div2 so im not sure if this is still good for up to leg missions

gonna change one of my gear core skill from skill tier +1 to armor cos with technician i already get +1 skill tier

[shy willow]

To be real:
-3pcs empress
-2pcs Hana U (w/ force multiplier)
-1pc wyvern

Build should look like that

Rigger isn't very good

Chest can be glass cannon or I think the other one people use is kinetic momentum

And swap out Scorp for capacitor

[whole sable]

it isnt? @.@

i thought the ability to instantly regen the ability back with rigger backpackwould be good

especially in legend missions

[onyx sage]

that's with rigger backpack, but no, that doesn't make it good

the gear set gives you a lackluster buff compared to what a typical high end set would give

[whole sable]

this one?

(gonna change out the weapon handling and status effects)

[onyx sage]

and the fact that you need to get to 4p rigger to be able to cancel makes it really bad

well you can't change more than one stat anyway, but even more than that you don't want that backpack to begin with

[whole sable]

oh

[onyx sage]

it has the wrong brand

[whole sable]

never mind im an idiot, i found it, is it this one? @onyx sage

also is waveform not good for skill builds?

[whole sable]

any particular named items other than force multiplier?

also should i run waveform?

[shy willow]

Yes but you'd need another copy with skill damage or haste

[shy willow]

Waveform isn't that good either

[whole sable]

ok thanks

[shy willow]

Anyone know if aegis DR stacks with pfe

[flint wave]

blue force multiplier

[rich lotus]

https://youtu.be/l2QF1hsr7tY?si=ozWcruxvzZQ-fxcV is this build worth it?

[tawdry flare]

All red force multiplier with capacitor

[wide silo]

Eclipse Backpack over Courier for a Burn Build?

[whole sable]

what chest talent do i want for a skill build

[tawdry flare]

Definitely the bag for burn build

[tawdry flare]

Glass cannon or Kinetic momentum for offensive skill builds

Glass is the best though

[wide silo]

Thank you sir!

[whole sable]

is normal glass cannon ok or perfect glass cannon?

[tawdry flare]

Normal glass Cannon on Empress is fine for most cases

[whole sable]

ok thanks

[hexed steppe]

this is how i setup turret drone. usually you wont need a ton of haste/duration since turret/drone last forever with short cooldowns.
i use protection from elite mods instead of haste.
you also have some flexability and dont need to run tech spec if you have 6 skilltiers.
20%-30% armor on kill (gunner/pallisades/mop named shotgun)
perfect glass, tech support.

[silver lark]

are there any other named gears that can give a variety of buffs like Picaro's Holster?

[shy willow]

Depends what you mean by variety of buffs

[whole sable]

where do you get protection from elite mods?

also why gunner and not technician?

[hexed steppe]

right now there is 12% pfe mods at the clan vendor just about maxed. 13% is max and a very rare drop.
i use gonner for the armor on kill, it works with skill kills as well as weapon. pallisades and mop named shotgun also boost armor on kill, so up to 30%

[whole sable]

damn i dont have clan vendor unlocked :c

mega sad

[hexed steppe]

those pfe at clan vendor are a reall good buy, i suggest 6-7 if you ever plan on making a pfe build

i have spots in mine if you need vendor access

[whole sable]

im in one with my friends rn, is there a cooldown for clan?

[hexed steppe]

no cooldown

[whole sable]

sure, thanks!

[silver lark]

potential to give multiple instances of skill tier/armor/damage in one gear piece (excluding memento and ninjabike)

[shy willow]

As a brand Brazos can be good for that

[wheat anchor]

Contractors gloves or foxes prayer

Cant go wrong with them

[pastel pasture]

Hmm theres not really a way to hit 25mil first shot dmg, unless ur using nem correct?

or is 25mil the max amount of dmg nem can do on first shot? assuming regular hotshot build w chainkiller*

[tawdry flare]

There is use Achilles

[pastel pasture]

heres my build so far

[pastel shard]

any pvp build recs the sheet has some old ones n idk if theyd still work decent

[pastel shard]

nvm went with skill build burnin people is fun

[serene flare]

This is what I've been rolling with for solo Heroic
all armor attributes set to Weapon Handling and all mods set to 12% CD
I found that I didn't care much for double MMR as I didn't have much trouble only killing with Nemesis. I mostly use the Vector for aesthetics and to beam down a few dudes that get a little too close

[pastel pasture]

yee, my build works in herioc as well, Im more inclined to legendary play/4 man leg play

I think i have those kneepads somewhere

[serene flare]

I've only done Legendary three times with this build, but it works great. Fox's Prayer is awesome, but it's a flex slot in case we ever get a sniper-based Exotic

though I'm kinda expecting a "nerf" at some point that removes Headhunter as a talent and makes Chainkiller its own Exotic if they ever wanted to slap sniper builds for some reason

[pastel pasture]

Wats your thoughts on the hybrid build craze going on in youtube?

[serene flare]

I wanted a skill tier sniper hybrid build so bad but it just sucks, at least when I tried it lol
Maybe something with Determined and Capacitor as an alt, but it's a rough time tbh

[pastel pasture]

Iv been thinking of removing backpack for Ninja, slap on a brazos, and change 1 hotshot to skill tier running with tech

My hope is to be able to use nem for starting the fights, and backup mmr for everyone else, then nem + achilles for big boys/enemies

[serene flare]

I haven't found any reason to run ST at all. The base skills are so bad that the only ones I can even justify are utilities like the drone and pulse. I use chem heal because it's the only heal I have access too unless they allow for two drones

You don't need Nemesis unless you're doing Legendary stuff. An MMR that can kill a red-bar enemy in one headshot is enough to get Headhunter going, but if you're in Legendary then it's pretty important since those Elites are chonky

[pastel pasture]

yea, I really only play in legendary unless a friend needs help somewhere, or im farming

the herioc builds can be slapped together preety quickly depending on what ur trying to do

[glossy scarab]

i would just put future perfect on the gun

[serene flare]

Which one?

[glossy scarab]

mmr

[serene flare]

def not the M700 lol

have you not used Determined?

[glossy scarab]

oh yea like, future perfect is good if youre not determineding

[serene flare]

Determined is just too good for my taste. I find it detracts from the experience.

[pastel pasture]

lol, wait till u hit headshots

determined who*

[serene flare]

I prefer Nemesis a bit more since it's a more engaged playstyle, plus it looks incredible

[pastel pasture]

Iv not really noticed this until recently but doesnt the nemesis have a suppressor on it?

[serene flare]

It does

[glossy scarab]

a big ol pringles can

[pastel pasture]

Iv noticed i can shoot someone and not get every enemy aggro sometimes

its hilarious

But yea, doing legendary 4man, nem has been the go to, sometimes i equip a shotgun as secondary, because I only need to HH like 2 people then hit a chunga

[serene flare]

Nah every enemy aggros when I shoot it

it would be kinda cool if suppressors actually did something other than give whatever stats they give

[pastel pasture]

Iv noticed if they are part of the same clump of enemies(or they can see each other as they patrol) ur gonna aggro them, but out in the open world, I can fight right next to a CP and not aggro the CP, if I pull out my m700 Im def getting hit from both sides

[glossy scarab]

for pistols a suppressor does prevent from alerting enemies at a certain distance if you compare it against an unsuppressed pistol at least. maybe not other weapon types

like if you need to shoot a lock off a door or something

[pastel pasture]

if you use determined or HH sometimes shooting a lock or anything not a head(deer) takes the talent off

[glossy scarab]

yeah that would be a dumb thing to do

[pastel pasture]

also Iv noticed in legendary if you snipe too many people, ur decoy is forgotten, But u can use the turrent and it holds aggro fairly well, even a tier 1

I have issues with aggro, if I run determined in a mission, somthing about outputting alot more dmg than my teamates

[glossy scarab]

turret duration is way better

[pastel pasture]

They usually catch back up, when I break HH or determined, but still it sucks esp since most enemies can 1/2 shot you. The grenadiers people are the worst, its like there grenades are set to explode right above ur cover, knocking you out of cover, and they usually send 2/3/4/5 ur way.

[dense hound]

so im trying to figure out a build good for melting armor and heath, i know the oxidizer is good for that so i only wear gear that gives me skill tier, but what kinda agitator mods are good for the oxidizer?

[onyx sage]

oxidizer is very niche because enemies are too mobile for it, so it's really good for catching spawns (but it is really good for that). it's not good for general use

[dense hound]

too mobile? ive seen way too many just sit there and die to it

[onyx sage]

are you playing on heroic?

[dense hound]

whats that?

[onyx sage]

heroic is the most common difficulty people are playing on

[dense hound]

dunno anything about difficulty

[onyx sage]

okay i'm assuming you're still playing through the story and not having gotten to endgame yet. once you do you're mostly going to play on heroic to get good rolls for gear

but on heroic, npcs are too smart for oxidizer to really work effectively

[tawdry flare]

More like it's so broken for spawn's that nothing can counter it

[dense hound]

so anything else that gives multiple ammo for skill tier?

[onyx sage]

besides skill tier and the +1 ammo mods, not really

the only really generalist skill build is turret drone

besides that it's just gun builds

[dense hound]

so scatter mines isnt good either?

[onyx sage]

nope

[dense hound]

welp guess im not playing this game once i finish this, since the whole thing that drew me in was the cool skills, too bad they are seemingly next to useless once end game comes around, i dont exactly like the idea of only gun play as well i dont have the best aim tbh

[wheat anchor]

Skills are more for support than offense

[onyx sage]

don't get me wrong, there are really strong builds that use skills, but they're generally not going to be damage dealing builds since that's the realm of gun builds. so these builds are mostly relegated to support roles, but they're really good at it.

eclipse protocol is an excellent support build for crowd controlling, and future initiative is excellent for healing and buffing

[wheat anchor]

Thats the reality of it

[onyx sage]

also remember, you're playing a shooter game

[wheat anchor]

Yep

This isnt the division 1 anymore

Where skills are actually relevant

Although you do have talents such as companion

Which buffs your weapon damage if near a friendly skill

[dense hound]

never played that game

and dont intend to due to what my friend told me is like full of hackers

[onyx sage]

only if you do pvp

which isn't what most people play anyway

[dense hound]

so are all npcs when it comes to heroic mode like bosses? because if so i might have a way to still make it usefull while dealing damage

[onyx sage]

no, they still mostly retain their normal counterparts but just a little bit smarter to force you to use stronger builds

also, tankier and more damaging

[dense hound]

so how do they act?

[onyx sage]

too much to describe tbh, you'll see once you get here, but it's not that hard

[dense hound]

surely you can describe it

[onyx sage]

there are too many factions and too many archetypes within each

just play the game and experience it for what it is

[dense hound]

what makes the oxidizer useless? you only said they are mobile

[onyx sage]

they dodge out of the radius instantly

and ammo doesn't regen fast enough for you to spam

[dense hound]

7 ammo

[onyx sage]

not that much

if you have to wait for it to regen to do an entire mission you're going to take hours

[dense hound]

why would i have to wait that long?

you think i rely solely on only the oxidier?

[onyx sage]

because they dodge out of the radius so they only take a few ticks, and they're tanky enough for those ticks to not do that much

well, you asked for an oxidizer build, which focuses mostly on it

[dense hound]

i didnt

i just said i know that the oxidier can melt armor

[onyx sage]

well if you want it to be effective you have to dedicate all your gear to it so you won't do much damage via other means

it's really too much to explain so just play the game and have a good experience. this is all knowledge that's only relevant when you get to endgame

before that, basically anything will work

[dense hound]

when is endgame?

[onyx sage]

when you get to lv40 and finished wony

[dense hound]

i was kinda having a good experience before you said that the oxidier was next to useless at end game, same with basically all other skills, so now im trying to think of ways to circumvent that like a new build

[onyx sage]

not really, there are good and bad skills

firestarter, riot foam, fire sticky are excellent skills for mob clearing

[acoustic coral]

Don't even think about "builds" till you get lvl 40 and finished WONY. It is pointless.
Once you get there, there is strong builds and weak builds.

[dense hound]

the only way i can stop thinking about builds is to stop playing the game, which i cant, so, im stuck thinking about builds

[urban latch]

Where exactly are you in the game right now? Like what level are you?

[dense hound]

24

[urban latch]

So your in DC and roughly speaking still need to do strongholds like district union area and Roosevelt Island?

[dense hound]

dont know about that

[bronze hound]

Hi

[urban latch]

Alright, so your still going through story, when ch is no big deal. The reason people say "don't farm a build" is because at that stage your still leveling up, and gear you get now will quickly become irrelevant. That said, that doesn't mean you can put together gear that makes sense and tries to do something specific. Since your still in story mode you don't need a build to focus on a certain thing like skills, which frees you up to run whatever and experiment with what you like

[tawdry flare]

Bye

[bronze hound]

:(

[tawdry flare]

Hi

[urban latch]

Oxy in particular is one of those skills you can't give a blanket statement on if it's "strong" or "weak". It's very situational, and basically just down to where/how your using it.

[tawdry flare]

In right scenario it's unmatched in wrong scenario rip

[onyx sage]

which is why i said it's not great for general use

[tawdry flare]

Me using open world oxis

[onyx sage]

💀

[tawdry flare]

It's fun doing it rn

[bronze hound]

Debatable

[tawdry flare]

Nope

In Right scenario there is no debate

[bronze hound]

debatable

[onyx sage]

headhunter

[tawdry flare]

Fast hands with headhunter

[frosty trout]

greetings, this build dishes out 75% SMG DMG, and should be btter with Incursion SMG (I still dont have it ) and Gunner, healer drone keeps companion up

[bronze hound]

ditch ninjabike

look at the spreadsheet it has better builds to go by

[serene flare]

Hmmm 🤔

Hybrid Skill tier build with Striker using Capacitor to get great damage and skill damage/utility

[frosty trout]

been messing around with a perfect spotter/king breaker and striker build , hits hard

[onyx sage]

just noting this is build advice channel so we're going to give advice to better your build fyi

[bronze hound]

you dont get good damage on hybrids

[magic pilot]

3 pc electrique is good in PvP but for incursion you want striker or fi healer

[bronze hound]

you get bad damage and bad skill damage, the worst of both worlds

[pastel shard]

how are people getting the burn sticky bomb todo 2 mil damage in pvp?

[bronze hound]

they arent

simple as that

[magic pilot]

Maybe in div 1 lol

[bronze hound]

when WONY first came out stickies were skill damage so probably then

[pastel shard]

is the damage thing in conflict bugged then?

[bronze hound]

wdym

where is this number coming from

[pastel shard]

I got burn stickied n it killed me n saying it did 2 mil damage

[bronze hound]

the player did 2 mil not the sticky

[tawdry flare]

Rip

[bronze hound]

and yes its also inaccurate

[serene flare]

Yeah, trying it out really makes me hope they buff them. I really love the idea of getting Overcharge and using the Achilles Pulse to mark a boss and then blow them away with a sniper, but the damage just isn't there. Capacitor feels good, but it only really feels "good" because of Striker's

[bronze hound]

they cant buff them without making them broken OP

[serene flare]

I mean they could. When your build requires you to get Overcharge and use an ability with a super long cooldown you should be able to one-tap a boss with a headshot under those circumstances lmao

[bronze hound]

you already can

not sure what youre hinting at

[serene flare]

I couldn't even kill an Elite with a headshot on my setup

[bronze hound]

what build

[serene flare]

nothing fancy or that kitted out, I was just trying it to see if it would work

[bronze hound]

thats why

youre not gonna one shot with a striker build lol

or a skill build at all, thats not what theyre for

[pastel shard]

so these numbers arent accurate right?

[bronze hound]

unlikely

[serene flare]

Yeah, I know that. I'm failing to see why I would even bother with any of these setups outside of a pure red sniper build that I always run with

[bronze hound]

if youre trying to one shot you shouldnt

striker isnt for that

[serene flare]

I mean I built up Striker all the way to full and it still couldn't do it

[bronze hound]

because you dont have headhunter

or any headshot damage period

or any damage for that matter

[pastel shard]

lmao jus the picarios

[bronze hound]

you need damage to kill a boss lol

[hazy steeple]

It took me a good few minutes to realise just how odd that build is.
Did you make it yourself or get it from a youtuber?

[bronze hound]

i doubt it

(at least i hope so)

[serene flare]

Some youtuber said it was good, but I can't remember where. I saw it recommended to me in my phone's news feed so I wouldn't be able to find it in my history

[bronze hound]

oh god we've really hit a new low with this one

[serene flare]

mf must have been playing on Normal or something

[pastel shard]

ofc a yter will say its good its their build 💀

[bronze hound]

never listen to youtubers

[pastel pasture]

Hey i need dmg to kill a boss

[bronze hound]

they are clickbaiting you

[pastel pasture]

help me out here

[bronze hound]

read spreadsheet pinned in this channel and pick a build to farm for

my suggestion being striker dps

[serene flare]

fr, I'm disappointed lol
I figured the Division's CC scene would be decent like Warframe and Destiny's

[bronze hound]

it is, youre jjust not doing it right

[pastel pasture]

I did, the dua boss smacked my ass

[pastel shard]

striker dps is the easiest and most commonly used
if it aint broke dont fix it

[bronze hound]

sorry mate thats just a skill issue then

[serene flare]

me on my way back to the ol' reliable chainkiller Nemesis build

[bronze hound]

i run 321

[pastel pasture]

wats 321?

[bronze hound]

3 hotshot 2 habsburg 1 airaldi

[pastel pasture]

some kind of soccer refrence?

[serene flare]

what's Habsburg's brand bonus?

[pastel pasture]

mmr and headshot

[bronze hound]

headshot and mmr

[serene flare]

ahh

[hazy steeple]

Honestly I've been here a while and the acronyms still confuse me too.
this place really does use too much shorthand.

[pastel pasture]

where do u put the 2 hasburg?

[bronze hound]

on the build

[pastel pasture]

hmmm

[bronze hound]

it doesnt matter lol

[onyx sage]

lol

[bronze hound]

as long as you dont put hotshot on the chest or backpack it doesnt matter

[pastel pasture]

wait u took perfect HH off?

[serene flare]

isn't there like barely a difference between HH and Perf HH?

[pastel pasture]

i must of not gotten the memo post build plz

[serene flare]

I thought that Perf just stacks up slightly faster, and it's only noticeable on like an SVD or something

[hazy steeple]

Perfect Talents are rarely required in any build.

[bronze hound]

yes

[serene flare]

and sometimes an active detrement lol

[pastel pasture]

It was easier to farm chainkiller than hasburg with 2 redcores

[bronze hound]

#ask-td2-community message

[hazy steeple]

Even without TL on, I sometimes just find multiple copies of Chainkiller in a CD run.

If I didn't know better I'd assume it pulls a Kingbreaker and has a seemingly unproven higher drop rate.

[slate wedge]

not quite because of modifier

[pastel pasture]

I think they changed the way we get gear or did a tweak. Iv noticced I get alot more Named drops for some reason

esp in Countdown

[hazy steeple]

Hunters drop named stuff, that might be why.

[slate wedge]

already calculated in there

[pastel pasture]

yea thats prop why

[hazy steeple]

although they aren't technically Hunters, they still count for their drops.

[serene flare]

Probably because there's only one Walker, Harris & Co. named drop?

[hazy steeple]

fun fact: if you need BT elite kills, run Countdown.
the "hunters" count for them.

[serene flare]

I noticed those Hunters are technically classified as Elites lol

[bronze hound]

a few named

[serene flare]

the world boss ones are all Named quality

[pastel pasture]

even still the hasburg pieces are a pain to try and farm, cause if I go to countdown, I really only see the named version hasburg. And if I farm out in the open world, I see much less loot

[serene flare]

Summit?

[pastel pasture]

I actually forgot about the summit, with the small change they made

[bronze hound]

youre saying you dont get anything except named habsburg on targeted loot?

cuz thats incredibly hard to believe

[serene flare]

I would believe it. I've had a few strings where I got nothing but named loot non-stop in Countdown.

[bronze hound]

im 100% not believing that

[hazy steeple]

That one run where I managed to snag 9 kingbreakers.

[serene flare]

Highly unlikely, but possible. It took me ages to get a regular Determined for my library lol. I kept getting the named one

[pastel pasture]

I mean, i ran countdown the last 2 days and saw alot of named pieces, not 100% all

but for the amount of time i spent in countdown I thought I would atleast see alot more regular pieces than named

[bronze hound]

TL isnt rng

[pastel pasture]

yea, I just keep running it, since the hasburg chest is you need to be "perfect" on, not like named but rolled with ur stats and talent

[hazy steeple]

It genuinely is.

[serene flare]

I'll try a Countdown for a Hab chest and knees

[pastel pasture]

tell me the % of named vs regular plz

[hazy steeple]

TL is an extra drop on top of an enemies regular loot, and the chance to get that is altered by Directives.
So getting absolutely nothing but TL in a Countdown run is almost certainly impossible, but getting a lot of it is kinda the point.

[pastel pasture]

small sample i know, but if someone can find more regular pieces, I can just run countdown till the new year

[pastel pasture]

also how do u like the brutus, compared to the m700?

[bronze hound]

stability is through the roof

• one hell of a reload

[pastel pasture]

Lol, if it didnt have the reload 1 bullet at a time I would be more happy

[bronze hound]

it doesnt

brutus is clip fed

[pastel pasture]

the m700?

[hazy steeple]

Wait, is the Brutus worse than the base gun it's based off for Reload?

[bronze hound]

brutus is clip fed

[pastel pasture]

Oh

[hazy steeple]

Yes I know, but you said that it has a long reload.
but m700 tactical/carbon really does not, since it's a mag.

[pastel pasture]

isnt the brutus based off the tactical/carbon?

[pastel shard]

is burn bugged in pvp?

[bronze hound]

wyes

[pastel shard]

it jus completely obliterates me

[hazy steeple]

The Model700 (old timey one) has a 1-bullet-at-a-time reload, but yeah the tac/carbon is a magazine.

[pastel pasture]

I need to add a brutus to my countdown list now

[pastel pasture]

cuts the reload by alot wow

[bronze hound]

no kidding

[hazy steeple]

Yes we know, that's what has repeatedly been said.

[pastel pasture]

thx for the graph I must of missed it when I was looking at the weapon list earlier

[acoustic coral]

Hey Rivens? That wasn't aimed at you, I just shared it, gave people some data.

And lethal just thanked me

[hazy steeple]

Okay?

[pastel pasture]

i think I saw 7.2 above it, and thought the rest was 7.2

[bronze hound]

also the talent gives a better initial shot

[pastel pasture]

which is usually what u need to begin HH

[bronze hound]

ye

[pastel pasture]

im curious whats the intial dmg, with dmg talent, then without?

[bronze hound]

like 2 mil i think

idk

[pastel pasture]

all good, on my to do list anyways

im preety sure it wont be able to kill an elite on leg4man, on first shot, but I should be able to hit purples

and if not, thats wat nem is for

ty for sharing!

[bronze hound]

with FI you can kill purples

[pastel pasture]

FL?

[bronze hound]

FI

FI

future initiative

[pastel pasture]

Oh

Im sitting here tryna figure out what FL was lol

[hazy steeple]

Florida build, it allows you to kill anyone wearing purple because they support a different sports team.

[bronze hound]

lol

[pastel pasture]

[serene flare]

lmao I got a lot, but not all named

let me count it up real quick

[pastel pasture]

Well theres always the beloved summit

[granite girder]

openion pls. This build is for DZ pvp

[serene flare]

6 masks
6 The Couriers 3 backpacks
3 Cherished 2 chests
2 gloves
5 holsters
3 kneepads

so I got a lot of named stuff, but it wasn't all named

[pastel pasture]

Out if the 3 bp and 2 chest how many had atleast 1 red core and was hasburg?

[shy willow]

Habs doesn't drop red

The only gear that has funky cores naturally is sysco

[pastel pasture]

Shush you

[shy willow]

But I think even Sysco is fixed

[serene flare]

I got one perfect Habs mask to drop with HSD and Weapon Handling. I can swap that out easy

I would need to get a Habs chest with Headhunter though, and that might take a while

[shy willow]

It's the ultimate unicorn

[hazy steeple]

just use Chainkiller, don't be a nerd.

[pastel pasture]

Ill see what i can move around or farm for, chainkiller was just ez

[serene flare]

I mean yeah, I'm going to continue using Chainkiller lol

I'll still keep this mask for a rainy day when said unicorn comes my way

[pastel pasture]

321 but instead of the airldi use chainkiller

Prop minuscule dps change

[hazy steeple]

frankly, you probably can't reach an extra breakpoint by changing it to 2xHabsburg.

[pastel pasture]

True it also doesnt help that I miss, alot

[hazy steeple]

although I will say, using The Gift as the BP is pretty darn great.

[serene flare]

Just use The Sacrifice :clueless:

I have a Gift but I'm embarassed of it

[hazy steeple]

Need to return it?

[pastel pasture]

Ill take it off ur hands

Trade you a hasburg backpack

[serene flare]

I Recalibrated one of the slots before I had the max value in and then I optimized it so now it has both icons making me look like an ultra dweeb

[pastel pasture]

Wait u can do that?

[serene flare]

You can only do it if you don't have the maximum value in your library

[pastel pasture]

I always thought it was one or the other

Ahhh ok

[bronze hound]

it feels nicer against named 4man leg enemies

it doesnt tip to a OS but its nicer

[hazy steeple]

Wait, what happened to the rest of them?

[bronze hound]

wdym

[hazy steeple]

or are they just giant legs like the Isle of Man flag?

[bronze hound]

?

[magic pilot]

Sell it and buy it back

[shy willow]

I think leg was taken literally

[serene flare]

I can do that??

[magic pilot]

Yes

It removes optimization but keeps recal

[shy willow]

Genius

[serene flare]

daaaaaang that's slick

[magic pilot]

Yup

[onyx sage]

taking "solo leg day" to a whole new meaning

[pastel pasture]

OS?

[bronze hound]

one sot

[hazy steeple]

I hate that day at the gym.

[serene flare]

well I'll swap the HSD over to Handling
sadly it removed MOST of the optimization I did on the damage side lol

rip to that shit
must have been like 45 SHD calibration that I grinded for

Hmm though I wonder if I don't need to do that. I might have enough handling already to keep Nemesis perfectly stable

[shy willow]

SHD calibration ain't no Biggie you get a bunch

[serene flare]

yeah, but I'm only at lv 800

[hazy steeple]

1 per SHD level if you buy it with scav points, that's post 1k of course.

[serene flare]

Oh sick I have enough handling that I don't need to change

[pastel pasture]

I tried to get WH to a degree but pieces havent dropped for me, without sacrificing HSD

[bronze hound]

optimize?

[serene flare]

sweet, I can just keep HSD on my Gift instead

[bronze hound]

gift kinda sucks imo

[hazy steeple]

free HSD and 3 seconds instead of 4.
it's not super optimal compared to an airaldi or whatever, but it's fiiiiine.

[shy willow]

It's nice to have if you're running a prov backpack anyway

[bronze hound]

not really free if you have to compromise

[shy willow]

But if not, perf vigi doesn't seem much better than normal vigi

[serene flare]

They'll buff it to make it take 4 seconds but be like a 35% damage boost lol

[tawdry flare]

If gift had 30% twd it would have been very good

[warm socket]

I need more health.. What do i do without destroying the Whole Build?

[tawdry flare]

I wonder what they are gonna do with perfect obliterate

[bronze hound]

What are you using it for

[warm socket]

Pvp

[lyric prism]

don't worry about your health.

[warm socket]

But players Are melting me:/

[bronze hound]

Your biggest issue is having nothing expertised

[warm socket]

Wdym?

[hazy steeple]

What are you using as an alternate? assuming you aren't saying 2xhabs since that also alters the chest slot too.

[serene flare]

RIP selling and re-buying my Gift also removed all of the Proficiency upgrades lol

[pastel pasture]

I thought u were supposed to hit 1k watch points then work on expertise?

[shy willow]

Don't expertise your armour it's worthless

[lyric prism]

no. expertise is independent of SHD levels.

[bronze hound]

Drop a habs to fit ck

[serene flare]

Why not? I have the resources after all lmao

[acoustic coral]

hey now, that extra armor core is like 1/10th of a bullet

[shy willow]

Spend it on weapons not armour

[pastel pasture]

I need every bit of dmg man

[serene flare]

??? They use completely different resources

[bronze hound]

And?

[warm socket]

What Can i do so players dont melt me lol

[lyric prism]

expertise on armor only give armor. if you are running a regen or aok set, I could see the exp levels on gear but otherwise sort of not needed.

[pastel pasture]

Hide

[serene flare]

Why does it matter if I spend resources on my armor's Proficiency upgrades if my weapons take completely different resources to upgrade?

[warm socket]

XD

[pastel pasture]

And use other teamates as body shields

[warm socket]

So true

[pastel pasture]

I found that works in legendary as wel

[shy willow]

Because it's resources you could be spending on other things

[serene flare]

Spending on what exactly?

the weekly exotic cache project?

[shy willow]

Requisitions optimisation whatever

Recal even

[lyric prism]

do you have your expertise levels themselves maxed on all groups of brand sets and pieces? that is where you want to spend the resources if you got extra, not on direct expertise levels on specific pieces you wear.

[pastel pasture]

Iv been crafting so im low on resources

[lyric prism]

unless you are maxed at 25? levels.

[warm socket]

Do Anyone have anything to say, so i could make My Build, better..?

[serene flare]

I'm not lv 1000 yet so my optimization bottleneck is SHD calibration
I don't have anything to recalibrate myself because my Nemesis is already where I want it to be

[serene flare]

If Printer Fillaments work better I'm just going to do that farm

[shy willow]

I'm shd 1k and the only shit I've been running out of is tac assessments and recon data

[pastel pasture]

By any chance did u get melted by a oreo?

Ouroborous*

[lyric prism]

for grinding expertise levels on your expertise bench, yes.

[warm socket]

No the iron lung

And ouroboros

[pastel pasture]

Yea not sure how u got melted by iron lung, with range on ur gun. I can fully understand someone melting you with an oreo tho

Ouroboros*

[warm socket]

Oh

[shy willow]

In honesty might be a skill issue

[serene flare]

if I can get to Expertise lv 25 with just printer filaments I'm gonna just do that and save the resources for upgrading my gear

[lyric prism]

I recently started grinding expertise levels on anything I don't normally use just to get more expertise levels on the gear subslots on the bench to get the expertise bench higher. I'm at 18 right now and it will take a while to get to 25 but might as well. If you have skills/brand sets you don't use often, equip them, mangle to stats you need and go do stuff.

[pastel pasture]

I would test the dmg, vs what people usually bring into pvp im no expert but if u lack dmg, people will just push you super hard since you tickle them

[lyric prism]

byu the time you do that you will lose your mind.

[shy willow]

Could also be sweatlords with all their shit expertised to the max

[pastel pasture]

That as well

[serene flare]

I just want the number to go up lol

[shy willow]

Donate all the junk you get in countdown and it goes faster

[serene flare]

It's rare to have a game with this much vertical progression, so I wanna engage with it

[pastel pasture]

My friend who pvpa alot, had me go in without ouroborus and with ouroborus, and I can say its alot of fun with that gun

[shy willow]

You'd need an obscene amount of SHD points to do it with just filament

[lyric prism]

proficiency levels, 10 on any piece of gear/weapon/skills, you become 'proficients on the specific set or whatever. you need 100 proficiency levels to get 1 expertise level, which maxes at 25.

[serene flare]

Yeah, just make a new char, do Warlords and then get all of the filaments from the watch once you complete the campaign

[lyric prism]

you don't need SHD points. You need a lot of mats.

[pastel pasture]

Any good mat farms?

[hazy steeple]

well, currently maxes out at Lvl 25.
It expands as more stuff gets added.

[shy willow]

By obscene I mean in the hundreds of thousands probably

[pastel pasture]

Besides a new character?

[serene flare]

at lv 2000 you'll have so much resource requisitions that you can power your way through very quickly

[magic pilot]

Unbreakable chest

[shy willow]

None are as efficient

[acoustic coral]

I hope you guys are annoyed by this ❤️

[shy willow]

Depending on SHD of course

[magic pilot]

No only because it didn't cost exotics

[serene flare]

the Reddit build

[hazy steeple]

new skills are available at the BoO

[pastel pasture]

Figures, well im about 300 watch levels from 1k, should be able to get it in a couple of days farming cps

[lyric prism]

yea a lot of people do level characters in WoNY in a couple hours and spend the points on filaments or whatever on the SHD salvage. this is a grindy but probably quickest way if you want filament.

[shy willow]

[glossy scarab]

im almost shd 5000 and i spent around 2000 points on printer filament and gained 1.5 expertise levels

[acoustic coral]

Ofcourse not, not yet

[magic pilot]

Wony run should take an hour and 40 with a carry

[acoustic coral]

Huh??

[hazy steeple]

You should actually be above SHD 1k to do a WONY run for mats, 1500+ is normally recommended.

[acoustic coral]

Shhhhh

[pastel pasture]

Oh

[magic pilot]

It takes 140 scavenging points per proficient item

[shy willow]

That build is pretty standard for regulus idk what kind of Reddit build applies that much brain power

An actual cohesive build

[magic pilot]

If you buy mods and break them down

[hazy steeple]

please don't break me down.

[pastel pasture]

Atleast it doesnt have memento

[shy willow]

Won't that take about a century

[magic pilot]

We are working on it slowly

[serene flare]

I throw on all of the Directives to make it faster

[magic pilot]

Skill mods auto decontrsuct now

[acoustic coral]

I would have to buy you first.

[pastel pasture]

Yea i need to modify my sniper build for that, and save the loadout

[shy willow]

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, I dunno how this is a reddit build, it's literally in the sheets lmao

[pastel pasture]

So what ur saying is grab a build in the sheets go on reddit, profit

[hazy steeple]

"i hope this annoys you" kinda implies that it's bad in some way.

[pastel pasture]

I see no wrong with that

[acoustic coral]

Yes, because they were talking about expertise on gear :3

[shy willow]

Expertised armour 😔

[hazy steeple]

with Expertise costs having been halved, who cares? go crazy with your levels.

[shy willow]

You might actually be able to tank another bullet there

[serene flare]

I really shouldn't care about how much armor I have at all, but I still want the number to go up

[acoustic coral]

I got 50k armor

[serene flare]

running around with 750k armor
I might as well not run any at all

[shy willow]

Ready to facetank hunters

[acoustic coral]

Anyways, back to countdown purgatory

[serene flare]

at Expertise 25 I think I'd max out at 912k armor
not even a million

[shy willow]

I have 0 motivation to do countdown anymore tbh

There's not much left for me to farm for except stuff for proficiency/library and unicorns

[serene flare]

is Heroic Countdown any better to do for loot?
I just do Challenging

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, it equates to about 1 armor core

[acoustic coral]

I'm only in there rn for recal lib, because I cannot really be bothered with other goals

[shy willow]

You get more countdown requisitions and slightly better on average loot

[serene flare]

what does Countdown Requisitions do?

[hazy steeple]

credits at the store, basically.

[serene flare]

there's a store??

[hazy steeple]

tl;dr Heroic is great if you have a team, Challenging is better for matchmaking.

[shy willow]

Bro is missing half the appeal of CD

[serene flare]

most of my enjoyment of CD is just bum rushing Hunters lmao

[hazy steeple]

I never noticed how much that looks like Des2's rat king before.

[shy willow]

True hunter experience is coney island

[serene flare]

where's this Countdown vendor?

[hazy steeple]

BoO, laptop near the outside store

[tawdry flare]

Regulus design is so well made

[serene flare]

TRUE hunter experience is Survival in TD1

[hazy steeple]

next to the Seasons people.

kinda near the chopper

[serene flare]

I have 350 credits lol

[bronze hound]

i hated survival

[shy willow]

Dread edict crying in the corner

[shy willow]

Only if you didn't get high end gear

If you have golds they become a joke

[serene flare]

Survival was fun beause you could visit the manhunt camping spot since it used the pre-nerf map

stupid exotic cache gave me a Nemesis ffs

[bronze hound]

"i like survival because it lets me play unfairly" is one of the opinions of all time

[serene flare]

it's just memories lmao
I only used that spot once in the DZ

[hazy steeple]

Survival sucked IMO, but I'm not allowed to admit that on here because some people are still super into it.
but whatever, they can have their battle-royale mode.

[shy willow]

I really enjoy survival but I only know the solo experience

I genuinely love the atmosphere of it all

[acoustic coral]

Me, matchmaking heroic countdown and pretty much always extracting

[shy willow]

And the mechanics are quite cool

It gets less fun the better you get at it though

[serene flare]

It would be neat if we could have some of those Survival mechanics back as options to play with in the main game
like food, water, and all of that

[shy willow]

Introducing, the division heartlands

[serene flare]

I don't know if I can get invested in that lmao

[shy willow]

It's survival if it was it's own game

So if you liked survival it's certainly worth a try

[serene flare]

Dark Zone is already my least favorite part of this game
I'd rather not lol

I only did Survival to screw around, and never anything serious

[lyric prism]

Your heretical speakings will be ignored for the sake of your soul and SHD points.

[dull ermine]

You mean descent? 😭

[bronze hound]

I admitted that lol

[bronze hound]

I hate survival too

[rich cosmos]

Survival is overrated but, considering div 3 will most likely be set in snow, and div heartland isn’t survival 1-1
Div 3 could try making at least have an entirely pve only survival

[lyric prism]

Div1 has a pve only Survival.

[acoustic coral]

That's really gonna depend on in which timeframe Div2 DLC will be set, because we're already in late october-november in-game (some small weather changes would be nice Massive) -> Div 2 DLC would be November-December if not later -> Div 3 is then after

[rich cosmos]

Its multiplayer still

I mean just one player

[rich cosmos]

The dlc couldn’t be set in December, and Id doubt on November

Keep in mind, currently the furthest point in the timeline is the latest div book

They wouldn’t bring back something like snow for a dlc

As well, heartland is set in fall

Where as div 2 is still set in summer

[rich cosmos]

To add on, if it were to come back, it would break immersion entirely from going to different open world maps set in completely different seasons

Especially when the dlc is likely Brooklyn

[acoustic coral]

Small weather changes: The current date in the game is past 18th Oct, because that's when The Recruiter Manhunt happened. There's annoyingly no date on the current Vanguard Manhunt, but it's ofc after.
I'm not gunning for snow, I'm talking subtle changes so it's not "Summer" weather - Div 2 Weather is based on June-July-August.

Green Poison was release on Black Friday, November 23rd (if it goes by real world calendar that has to be either 2012 or 2018 or 2029)
Div 1 is in the Winter following that November.
Div 2 is in June-October the following year.
Recruited book is set in the year after Div 2

[rich cosmos]

I feel like you forgot the reason I even typed that out but whatever

[acoustic coral]

That Div 3 is most likely set in snow? I'm just saying I don't think that's likely due to the timeframe we're working in

[rich cosmos]

Half of Divisions aesthetic was from the snow, as well its one of the more requested things that people want to return, as well as the game engine literally made for division being called snowdrop and on top of that, around 4 to 5 years of content without snow

[acoustic coral]

Engine: It's named after the flower, which has a lot of symbolic meanings - none which has to do with snowfall.
I get that it's requested, I liked the aesthetic too (although, heavy rain/storm in div 2 is pure meditation for me) - but we're post 18th October in-game, DLC will be after so late October-November or even December (depending on when Vanguard is revealed to take place + there's 2 seasons and manhunts planned before the story dlc)
Div 3 would then most likely take place after that, so guesstimate is atleast January if not later.

[hexed steppe]

I thought I was reading #division-universe for a second...

[acoustic coral]

#takeover

[modern heron]

What pairs well with st elmo's engine

[acoustic coral]

Enemies to use it against (You thinking build? Or secondary?)

[hexed steppe]

Dps builds

[modern heron]

Secondary weapon

[acoustic coral]

Assuming it's on a striker build, personally I have a Lefty there - but most of the times I just forget I have other weapons.

[strange wigeon]

coyote doesnt stack, right ?

[modern heron]

Sweet thx ill see if can get lefty

[acoustic coral]

Can't have two of the same range coyote buffs, but I often see all 3 range of coyote buffs in my hud in countdown

[acoustic coral]

ACS, Lefty, Rock'n'roll - it's primary use is for faster stacking, but I don't personally use it much.

[modern heron]

Ill see wat i can find thx for the info

[acoustic coral]

No probs, it's the same base weapon. It's usually recommended because every pellet of a shot stacks striker, but you have to get up close for it to be efficient - and personally, by the time I get up close, I would've gotten the stacks at range with my elmo.
It's also theoretically higher dps, but it lacks in total ammo.

[chrome remnant]

Hey guys, I am back to the game after quite some time and I saw a lot has been changed. I play solo and my current 'build' is just something I put together because thats what I had. The build currently is 4 pcs of striker with Chamelon and SIG MPX.

I was hoping to get recommendations on builds for solo playthrough. I play on Challenging difficulty and plan to go up to Heroic once I have a build in place. I also have directives active if that matters.

I was not sure which build on the spreadsheet would be the best for solo play as I am dont like to play CQB as much as someone of the builds I saw were good at.

[granite girder]

openion pls this is for DZ pvp

[acoustic coral]

From the spreadsheet: Aces n 8 sniper, sniper setups, strikers, heartbreaker is gonna do you well in solo heroic - fastest to get together is a strikers build (you're basically there)

[lyric prism]

you already got the strikers, Chameleon is what it is so use it or get a F2000 together. Picture removed, see Cmd picture. The exotic is St. Elmo's Engine and has become the defacto AR for most things but there are better for certain builds.

[acoustic coral]

believe it was commented on earlier, but memento is hit or miss for pvp because it's only good when at 30 stacks. Don't understand why you have a ceska with skill tier or run technician

[acoustic coral]

Don't shoot for that picture. If anything, shoot for this:

(it's the spreadsheet basically)

[lyric prism]

yea I looked at the pic after, do what Rudolph put. Adapt what you have now. if you feel squishy put a blue core or two on.

[granite girder]

lol

[lyric prism]

i read after the DZ part.

two wholly different needs.

[granite girder]

iam runing česká with skill core to get some more drone dmg since iam usualy runing that in there + foam chem

like that i can get to tier 3 and get decent value out of them

[lyric prism]

I run this on heroic open world. For me, it works with potato aim.

its a personal setup I keep changing a bit here and there.

if doing anything in a group I have the Striker cheese meta, EP cc, ND, etc.

[acoustic coral]

I'm no pvp expert, but I'd think 3 dedicated red, 2 dedicated blue + memento and the gunner (or one of the others with pulse resistance, could be gunner too) would be better - but again, no pvp expert. Try posting at different times or ask down in #td2-pvp-discussions - there's some more pvp nerds in here

[acoustic coral]

I just slightly vomited at the palisade, but more power to you. I'm a "offense is the best defense" kinda guy and 35% damage loss cuz no striker bp is rough

[lyric prism]

and that is why it works for me practically and not you.

[acoustic coral]

me drama ? 🤨

[lyric prism]

voice translation.

[acoustic coral]

I'll just nod and pretend I understand

[lyric prism]

its not a recommended thing and I know the 'dps is my shield' works but yea its a me thing I am willing to take the loss on. The ramp is not as slow and encounters I hit usually don't need max dps. In a group that is another story and I run the usual builds for those.

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, just twisting your nips ^^

[modern heron]

This a good setup

?

[acoustic coral]

No. But you can probably still clear heroic, it's striker afterall

[tulip charm]

Its actually not bad

only change I would make is run ceska if you dont have chc bonus from shd watch

[hexed steppe]

Not max damage but workable. SMG may have you close quarters and hunters fury in place of the striker may synergize better

[acoustic coral]

Not bad and me saying no to it being good is kinda the same thing.

[hexed steppe]

Hf also buffs smg/shotgun so your chest can be ceska like suggested above

[modern heron]

Thanks for the feedback ill see wat i can do

[chrome remnant]

if I do continue with strikers build, is the ACS-12 a compulsory pick?

[patent fossil]

no, it lets you stack quickly if you get within very short range of an enemy, but it's really not essential

[acoustic coral]

Personally never pull out my acs

[lyric prism]

compulsory no, its aides getting Striker stacks up. You are free to choose something else.

I don't use one, stacks come fast enough

[acoustic coral]

You can stack faster - but you need to be closer.
If you're primarily solo, you're gonna be shooting enemies way before you get close enough for the shotgun to stack faster.

[chrome remnant]

so if I run St. Elmo's with a MPX, is that viable?

[acoustic coral]

Yeah, but realistically you just shoot the elmo ^^

[lyric prism]

the St. Elmo's alone will do all the stacking and damage to be honest. You have one?

[chrome remnant]

i plan to farm for it in Countdown. Additionally, I assume the Crusader Shield no longer is viable if I dont run a shotgun?

[lyric prism]

its very viable. works with all AR/shotrun/subgun, not with lmg or mmr.

[chrome remnant]

For exotics I currently have: Capacitor, Lady Death, Chameleon in AR/SMG category

Is Preservation a good perk on a MPX or do I go for Strained or Fast Hands?

[hexed steppe]

Strained or fast hands

[acoustic coral]

A lot of ARs will do well after the recent Project Resolve. I mostly use my elmo's, because it has good damage, good rate of fire, good mag size and good mods. Shock is also nice.
But lately I've been dipping into using the honey badger because I always like the gun

[chrome remnant]

ill be totally honest here: I low how St. Elmo's looks. Same goes for Chamelon. I love LVOA-C in general.

are the attributes okay? or do I need to farm for all reds?

[hexed steppe]

You need chc chd attributes on dps

Crit chance to 60,
Rest of the attributes into crit damage

Ceska chest for sure, replace wyvern

Looking for obliterate as chest talent

[chrome remnant]

how do I check what my crit chance and crit damage is? Is the Mask okay? or do I farm a Ceska there as well?

[hexed steppe]

Hit i, then stats at the top

Hold g to swap weapon stats to secondary, pistol

[chrome remnant]

how?

[hexed steppe]

Ideally you want grupo or coyote exotic mask. Walker ok till something drops

[lyric prism]

Stats, upper right

[chrome remnant]

ahh, okay! I went to that tab but didnt scroll down. My bad!

[lyric prism]

2nd icon down on the Stats menu will scroll to the dps section.

you can also just scroll the whole thing.

[chrome remnant]

so I need the attributes to be either chc or chd or both right?

[lyric prism]

you want both but chc to 60% which is the max the game will use. chd as high as available.

[acoustic coral]

^ that is the general rule, but to properly determine, multiply chc with chd

[ancient dune]

Rough rule of thumb is twice as much CHD as CHC

[chrome remnant]

time to farm for better attributes then!

[acoustic coral]

Example:
52% CHC × 148% CHD (52×148) = 7.696
58% CHC × 136% CHD (58×136 - trading 12% CHD for 6% CHC) = 7.888

[chrome remnant]

thats the best I can do right now.

which isnt really good

[ancient dune]

It'll get there :))

[chrome remnant]

does the stats take into account the points from SHD levels?

[ancient dune]

Ye and mods on your gun too

If you highlight the stat iirc it shows all the sources it's calculating from

[acoustic coral]

On my striker (fully optimized, the one I sent earlier) I have 52% CHC (then you get 10% from coyote mask buff) and around 170% CHD

Cannot remember the exact CHD value

[flint wave]

173

[ancient dune]

Prob 173%

Jinx bestie

[flint wave]

🤝

[acoustic coral]

[flint wave]

I got them elmo values memorized

[chrome remnant]

so current order of business:

1. Get St. Elmo's (cause it looks cool)
2. Farm chc and chd armor.
3. ??
   4, Profit.

[ancient dune]

Ye maybe a bit of watch stat farming somewhere in there

Try max out your watch CHC first

[acoustic coral]

I wouldn't expect otherwise tbh

[flint wave]

1. put all red watch points into chc and nothing but chc
2. Profit

[ancient dune]

After that the other 3 stats are pretty equal you can do whatever you like

[chrome remnant]

is Summit still good for farming focus guns?

because Countdown needs 7 more people

[acoustic coral]

#td2-general-chat message

[ancient dune]

You mean summit? You'd be better off queueing challenging countdown

Countdown queues pop pretty quick

[chrome remnant]

thanks for all the help guys. Appreciate it!

[acoustic coral]

Outside of this, game knowledge is important.
You've got the build page open. You know what gear you need. Then look at this linked power list and enjoy your time.

[hexed steppe]

If you havent recalibrated your striker gear yet, you can recal attributes to chd

[chrome remnant]

i did, and it was lacking sadly.

[hexed steppe]

when you get elmo it comes with 20%chc 20%chd 20% stability mods. makes it a bit easier to hit high numbers. your current chameleon gives 20%chc 50%chd as one of its buffs (30 headshots)

[dense ledge]

700k

[lime quarry]

what is the best build for DZ, i dont want anything glass canon

[wise swallow]

too many variables

theres no blanket best build

Whats your playstyle? What are you looking for, higher surviability? Any utility you want such as haz pro, regen etc? what guns do you like the most? are you playing in a team or solo? if yes, who do you typically play with/what kind of builds do your guys typically play with? are you looking for a skill build or a weapon based build? what builds have you tried? what did you dislike and like about each one?

[lime quarry]

i believe that

[lime quarry]

i like to play cover to cover but i dont wanna die if I am one on one with an elite NPC. no Skill build. Looking to be Hybrid between tank and dps. I own Ouro SMG with ok roll and St elmos engine

i play on Heroic everything solo atm

[wise swallow]

uhh so this is mostly for NPCs?

[lime quarry]

well i also wanna hit the DZ

[wise swallow]

PVE and PVP non skills builds dont really overlap

[lime quarry]

ok makes sense. ill gladly take the PVP suggestion

but id like to not be one shotted by NPCS in the DZ also

[wise swallow]

well the easiest would be a 4pc striker set up using striker backpack, ceska (unbreakable or obliterate as the talent) and coyotes. you could farm striker and get one set up that has all blue core striker pieces and 1 set up with all red core striker pieces. youd be effectively farming both builds at the same time that way

roll all with CHD so you can flex it for ouro and elmo without having to recal

thatll do very well in a PVE and PVP setting

[lime quarry]

ok does strikewr ever drop with blue core?

[wise swallow]

No

[lime quarry]

ok

TY

[wise swallow]

now striker does take a bit of getting used to in a PVP setting but if your shooting a decent amount of NPC's it should be too hard to get stacked

[lime quarry]

my buddy was talling me about an armor regen build

is that any good if you know it

[wise swallow]

an alternative to striker for PVP would be coyote, metador (walker with adrush), fenris, picarios, ceska and foxes. 3-5 reds. Unbreakable chest talent

[wise swallow]

I am a big fan of efficient regen builds

but I dont like momento in a PVP setting and almost exclusively use big horn to compensate for lack of DPS.

idk if you feel comfortable using a HSD only build

[lime quarry]

hsd?

[wise swallow]

headshot dmg

[lime quarry]

oh lol, i mean i do try and head shot as much as I can

[wise swallow]

if you dont think your able to hit at least 60% of your mag on the head your gonna be doing pee shooter DPS.

[lime quarry]

any suggestions for this

[wise swallow]

what i run is yhaal, 3 golan, Everyday carrier (named belstone chest with perfect efficient), picarios/fen/prov

adrush on the backpack

all Haz pro and HSD

if you want more regen swap pic/fen/prov for emperors guard.

big horn and L86

foxes might be better then pic/fen/prov but i dont have one good enough to test

someone can chime if they have tested

all blue btw

[lime quarry]

all blue core?

if you ever wanna share some picks(im a visual person) if I am asking too much no stress at all. ima try this. ty my man

[wise swallow]

every piece has a blue core attribute (170k armour)

[lime quarry]

ty

[wise swallow]

Whenever i say blue i mean 170k armour core attribute. whenever i say red i mean 15% weapon dmg core attribute

for reference

[lime quarry]

understood ty

[muted hare]

Hey guys hopefully everyone is having a blessed day

I have a question so for a DPS build without using striker would running an obliterate and clutch be good talents to run?

That’s also you having all the watch levels upgraded to max and run all red cores? How would the build be?

[flint wave]

clutch is mid

[dense ledge]

Yep. Get fried way too fast to use that trash

[covert meadow]

Is it OK to run wave form with 3 Empress and 2 Hana on skills, until I can get that 3rd Empress it seems really tough to get?

[lyric prism]

run countdown on challenging, set loot when on the countdown map to Empress.

stuff will fall from the sky.

[versed summit]

Waveform will be fine temporarily. I think you worded it wrong, but optimally you’ll have 3 piece empress, 2 piece Hana u, and one piece Wyvern/Waveform. Assuming drone turret build.

[covert meadow]

@versed summit yes ty, I have been trying for that Empress Holster a good while, and I'm not connected to play Countdown, I haven't tryed Summit is it possible there?

[night snow]

Any1 got versitale build for fresh players ? Im lvl 60 watch, no gunner or firewall leveled (leveling technician). I have Elmo.

[dull ermine]

I’d say the easiest thing to farm for is probably 4 pc strikers or

3 pc providence, ceska, grupo, fox prayers kneepads until you can get your library up

Or negotiators / umbra bc of native crit

[night snow]

I mean i need something that can do decent amount of damage, have decentt survivability and can be used in most gamemodes (open world, story missions, countdowns). Or justt countdowns, cuz im focusing on library rn.

[pine monolith]

Don't have either yet so probably gonna build off whatever I get first but in people's opinion here what's a more "beginner friendly" endgame setup for a person who hasn't dipped into incursions/raids/legendary yet. Lady Death Hunter's Fury or St Elmo Striker?

[lyric prism]

St. Elmo's Striker.

HF/LD setup is a close quarters variety it helps to know how to game works first.

Elmo Strikers is the meta in use by 99% of people w/ a ceska chest and coyotes mask (or a grupo if not coyote). You point Elmo's, you shoot. Easy done.

like such, including skills.

[pine monolith]

Fair enough. So probably best I spend these global stars on exotic caches over optimization then?

[lyric prism]

secondary weapon is usually an ACS shotgun for stacking Striker stacks but really whatever you like.

if you want coyote yea. otherwise just matchmake to countown challenge mode or run Jefferson Trade Center which seems to be the favored one to get Coyote to drop from the end boss.

[pine monolith]

Actually just got a coyote from the exotic reward for the global, so really just missing elmo's and probably a good rolled striker set.

[lyric prism]

I would just spam countdown for the challenge level matchmake and get it that way. the pieces will come quickly.

the ceska chest is needed.

[pine monolith]

Ceska chest is countdown only?

[lyric prism]

no.

high end brand set. it has 10% chc on the first level. Strikers has no crit on its 2/3 piece bonuses.

[pine monolith]

Ah gotcha gotcha. Thanks for the info.

[lyric prism]

with Coyote aim for just over 50% chc. Most encounters are in the mid area for Coyotes so the 10%chc to max at 60% comes from there.

[night snow]

This good on countdowns?

[lyric prism]

you want to see builds check the spreadsheet pin.

[lyric prism]

its good on everything. its like the staple Striker meta.

[shy willow]

It's good everywhere

[night snow]

TThx. Im takin it

[shy willow]

Bread n butter of DPS

[lyric prism]

if you are new and don't have your SHD points above 1000 or the crit at 10% chc yet then you will need to reroll gear stats to accommodate but its an easy setup to get together.

[night snow]

Well, thats what im running rn. Survivability is decent bbut damage is low i think.

[pine monolith]

That's not Striker's, you're running Heartbreaker.

[night snow]

Ik m8

I must farm the stuff for sriker 1st

[pine monolith]

You said "That's what I'm running rn" when we were talking about the Striker setup. Thought you were referring to that, my b.

[night snow]

Ahh

my bad too, my english isnt perfect xD

[pine monolith]

All good brother.

[night snow]

But im happy anout one thing

[shy willow]

If you want more damage you can always swap some of the blues for reds

[pine monolith]

Is best way to lvl expertise to just increase proficiency with everything? Still confused about how that works exactly.

[night snow]

Donating junk

From what i know

[shy willow]

Use items/donate to their proficiency to level it up

Every 100 proficiency levels increases your expertise level

You can apply expertise upgrades on pieces up to your current expertise level

[pine monolith]

So literally just everything that hasn't been increased to 10 proficiency yet just spend to level that item.

[shy willow]

Spending can be quite expensive at low shd

Better to donate junk

[night snow]

Whatt are perfectt atttributes and mods needed here?

CC on everything?

[fickle light]

strikers parts- crit damage
high end parts- crit chance and crit damage
crit chance mods until 55 or so, then crit damage mods

[night snow]

k

[rich lotus]

Technically yeah but I avoid using coyote's in 8man content since there will always already be at least 2 people using it

[night snow]

Memento then?

[rich lotus]

100% up to you, I go for the highest damage possible because I find countdown enemies to be the most bullet spongie of the entire game sometimes

Memento is nice for that 3.0% passive regen I only ever use it for that lol

[night snow]

So

Tell me what else to use?

If its sttacked it also gives +30% damage

[rich lotus]

Yeah but the 5s buff is barely noticeable unless you're always up on someone's face which could work technically

[rich lotus]

Its up to you lol, do you need more damage or surviv?

[shy willow]

Grupo

[rich lotus]

And which guns are you using

I find maintaining stacks in countdown p easy so I use strikers chest often too

[night snow]

Elmo and now running with sg

[rich lotus]

Sorry what one is the sg

[night snow]

Its the most rare weapon type: SHOT GUN FFS xD

xD

[rich lotus]

Oh kk, just never see people calling it sg

[night snow]

xD

[rich lotus]

Which one specifically?

[night snow]

Mostly sasg-12

[rich lotus]

🥹 div1 flashbacks

Ngl I havent tried sasg in div2 ever

[night snow]

Never played

[rich lotus]

That gun was a menace at one point on div1 with strikers

[rich lotus]

Also this

[night snow]

Idk, will see when ill finish build xD

[shy willow]

Swap over to Lefty/ACS12

Rock and roll is usually good but it's been hit hard by bugs

[rich lotus]

Dont remind me of it again

🥹

Day 27 rock n roll on the bottom and 39 glitches left and right

[shy willow]

At this point I might just keep the lefty preset permanently

Shit ton of support players don't even bother sledging on incursion

[night snow]

Heres what im running rn

[night snow]

And heres what i wanna run

[rich lotus]

MOOD

[rich lotus]

That isnt bad per se but like I said you will be gaining coyotes benefit regardless if you have it on your build or not

I think highest striker is this

[shy willow]

I just sledge now because I use bloody knuckles anyway

[rich lotus]

Idk about elmos obv

[shy willow]

Consistently hit for 3m with full stacks it's great

[night snow]

Thats wht i pinged it. Gimme alternative t ocoyote fitting that build

[rich lotus]

Hot swapping to it helps so much

[rich lotus]

Btw which one would you say is better damage wise, GS + Ceska or Fox's + ceska?

[rich lotus]

Above would prob be somewhat your aim for highest daamge, as long as you can keep stacks up and running

[night snow]

And i will most likely use SMG

[rich lotus]

Do you have oreo?