td2-pvp-discussions

[grave umbra]

Maybe just maybe, be like Resurgence’s mechanic

[amber ice]

A consequence of living in Australia.

[glass notch]

Even in eu dz is pretty dead

[grave umbra]

You can target loot what you want for DZ, if ppl kill u, loot is random

2 birds 1 stone. Your actual rare item isn’t really taken away, less salty. And it prevents RMT.

[glass notch]

Ehh the vision they had was perfect, high risk high reward. Theirs no reward so no point taking the risk. The intensity of extracting the god roll piece you’ve been farming for is what makes these games.

[golden ermine]

I should be able to take any gear in yo inventory

[glass notch]

Who mentioned safe pockets. Give them a safe pocket

[golden ermine]

Matter of fact, i should be able to loot yo stash if i kill you

[glass notch]

Safe pockets, but legendary drops in dz. we’ll settle at that

[grave umbra]

Oh no! Not my 1 DZ resource dedicated to call extraction😭

[amber ice]

"I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle".

[glass notch]

• tier 2 level proto drops

[golden ermine]

I got rubber gloves

[glass notch]

Dz perk “the pickpocket”

[grave umbra]

Hey, no safe pocket in division

[glass notch]

I’m going to play dz as intended for an hour and farm some resources. I’m excited for the reconstructed caches I NEED that matador BP.

[grave umbra]

Just farm retal

I have 500+ for each faction’s resource

[glass notch]

If i could progress through dz only id only dz i like the idea of someone pulling up and wanting a fight every now and again keeps things interesting

To be fair retaliations are probably my fav pve content fast paced always be moving

[amber ice]

This is basically what a Kill Squad is, someone pulling up and wanting a fight.

[glass notch]

Easy though once level 30 expertise sadly

Mow them down with full stracks striker

[tawdry pier]

Kill squads are just prime vons looking to blow your shi smoove off

[drifting moss]

I want this too, even it slower

[glass notch]

My biggest gripe with myself in both div2 and 1 i missed the early game when everyone was working out their builds and fighting over some 50% rolled loot like it was a god roll matador.. by the time i joined both games everyone was min maxed and I had to play catch up.

[grave umbra]

So if are you one of those who supported season wipe?

[glass notch]

No

I don’t mind catch up if its possible.

Back when I was playing catch up it was only the watch I needed and I had to farm Summit for builds. Countdown and stuff came after but so did expertise n stuff. If i joined as a freshy today I dont know if I’d of made it. 😂

To be fair though theirs like 5x xp events an allsorts now so wouldn’t of been that bad

Early game of everygame is the best.. even with fps before people work out metas & the best head glitches etc I suppose its like the discovery time for everyone I always find that most enjoyable

Hopefully my hands dont give up by the time div 3 comes out I’m getting old they hurt after an hour these days

[grave umbra]

Remember. “Unintended”

Launch week, MK17 has the best feel, many ppl use it, next week nerf.

[golden ermine]

Play resurgence

[glass notch]

Nahh mobile games dont interest me

[golden ermine]

I played it on pc

[glass notch]

Yeah I downloaded it to try but meh not for me, poo graphics, poo fps

And a timed darkzone? If they do that in div 3 we better riot

[wet badger]

You can unlock the FPS, graphics aren't that bad, but timed dark zone? 🤮

[golden ermine]

Timed dz had me annoyed too tbh

[glass notch]

Stack broker in stretch goals for us, remember you saying you wanted it.

[wet badger]

Starting when?

[limber cedar]

Tomorrow

I mean after the 5h maintenance 🫢

[wet badger]

You mean the 5 hour maintenance that finishes in 3 hours that creates a wave of DELTA's only for the game to have to go down again? Oh wait that was 2 weeks ago, my bad, suuuuurely won't happen again right?

[glass notch]

Week on Tuesday I believe.

[glass notch]

The stretch goals don’t start tomorrow.

Or so a video I watched said

[limber cedar]

Oh yeah, tomorrow is just the surge and the purple flame event 🤦‍♂️

[glass notch]

Yeah starts when this brooklyn thing ends.

[wet badger]

Great so I'm gonna get this gun then striker gets nerfed into the ground

[civic stream]

When is strikers getting nerfed?

[glass notch]

Nerfing all PvP sets an talents season 2.

https://ubi.li/PTS-PvP-Balancing

16th of June I think season 2 launches.

[drifting moss]

any timeline for skills and attributes changes?

[glass notch]

No

[civic stream]

So only in PVP its getting nerfed

Oh

Im in a different chat than I thought I was, sorry lmao

[glass notch]

Yeah just PvP

[civic stream]

i got my hopes up that they were gonna piss off a ton of people and nuke the meta lol

[azure copper]

quick question what's the general consensus on core strength in pvp is it good or off meta. I'm a returning player and it seemed interesting

[craggy trench]

Super meta

[azure copper]

is it the capacitor build or just the gearset in general?

[craggy trench]

Both

[grave umbra]

Easy backbone for most builds just like tomato sauce, doesn’t go wrong with most things

[pulsar vapor]

I heard pvp changes are coming

[glass notch]

Ye nerfing most talents & gear set talents

[glass notch]

I am so bored of logging into this game an not being able to play cos cheaters.

Not even the shady kind, just straight up shoot you through a wall from other end of the map, server after server

Just kills my motivation

I’ll be back when the updates out 🤷‍♂️

[uneven bough]

Seeing is believing, they haven't done anything to cheaters, and every day you see more and more, I don't expect anything from their next anti-cheat patch

[golden ermine]

Rip

[amber ice]

They've let us know there is a dedicated team within the new PvP team that is focused solely on cheaters, just gotta give it time to be worked out.

[grave umbra]

The cheaters were infested in PVP for years already and theres an obvious surge in these past 2 years. Also, false ban wave happened, yes yes you can say the bans were quickly revoked but that happened because a famous Ubisoft partner streamer got hit in the wave. What most people who doesnt play PVP dont know is that the "revoking" action on accounts also include past banned cheaters.

And the PVP changes is obviously attempting to create a safer space for PVE players. Yes, it is good and healthy way to draw more players attention to PVP, but the priority should always have be dealing with cheaters. Busy making advertisements of making building hospitable while having a terrible rotting foundation is laughable.

Anyways, the playercount wont lie.

[summer kelp]

I’ve been hearing that team is playing conflict with “ active credit cards” aka cheats to weed out the cheaters

Heard from a very active Reddit user and great friend

[amber ice]

Us mods don't have any insight to the way the devs are working, we only hear what y'all hear.
But as long as the situation is fixed as much as it can be, then sure whatever.

[idle nest]

Does anyone have a heartbreaker pulse build for DZ that uses LMG's and ARs

[summer kelp]

I mean if you are speaking on what I said 2 wrongs don’t make a right..

Unless you are drunk and pop a hyena bag then you shoot straight like you are not even drunk. One thing I miss about drinking and gaming lol.

[summer kelp]

You want to use the technician specialization so you can use the linked laser pointer
The police m4 or lex or any AR with a long rail system and same for LMG. But you gonna want the acs12 of any kind to get the stacks it will take the linked laser aka the pulse laser if AR only is 2 UA with the holster or the UA holster and the catharsis or coyote mask
Idk hahah. Heart breaker has so many OPPs. But the main one is that bread box missile launcher for the linked laser aka pulse laser

[half compass]

You can also run bighorn if you are good with it

[barren frigate]

I saw maybe 1 or 2 intimidate adrenaline rush players in at least 200 games of conflict

[meager swift]

If it wasn't for Survivors they wouldn't have lifted a finger to update the Anticheat

[wet badger]

You're gonna need a stack broker or an acs-12 for that one, then you pick your favourite AR or LMG.

[wet badger]

c-o-n-f-l-i-c-t

[prisma fable]

lowk...everytime i do pop off and drop a few kills one or two of them come out doing the nemi thing

[barren frigate]

You would think if it was so prevalent I would see it in the only other PVP mode, and you didn't qualify why Conflict would cause players to not pick such a "popular" setup

[ocean shore]

There's only 3 users, which all 3 of those agents at close range will melt you so fast even with Regen. You would be safer putting in a firewall kit with perfect efficient and trying to face tank for the next 10 seconds

In dark zone you could be rogue in a group of 4 fighting the rest of the 8 players and will almost always have adrenaline rush active

Yeah sure you can prime intimidate with technician by holding a skill/aiming (chem launcher is a known primer for intimidate), but not taking firewall with a Regen build feels like a direct nerf

[barren frigate]

I'd argue the average player is going to deal with 1 or 2 agents when fighting in the DZ, for the most part they'll go in there to farm a certain piece or get more DZ resources. I would assume you'd structure your build to be able to win a 1v1 or 1v2 vs having a build that mitigates how badly you'll get jumped when you expect to go rogue yourself

[modern gull]

need to start using intimidate and ad rush in pvp more

been so used to efficient because of how much it’s able to save your ass lol

[wet badger]

It was quite prevalent until core strength came out, before core strength you'd see variations of this build, it's just when you only get 2 medkits and every map has wide open lanes it lends itself to high DPS 3rd person camper gameplay instead of face to face gunfights as you can force in the DZ.

Last time I checked it's just hive spam on every choke point and fire stickies.

In proper PvP servers in the dark zone it has been prevalent, maybe less so since core because... Obvs reasons

[grave umbra]

its just ninjabp cores w/ picaro and unit alloy

[modern gull]

or walker harris instead of picaro

[floral hearth]

Chill mates Core Strength it's going to be nerfed next Season... Like many other gear sets 🤣

Seems that Brand sets are going to be powerful now

[golden ermine]

Conflict tends to be ranged gameplay lol

[barren frigate]

I appreciate your viewpoint, I welcome seeing more adrenaline intimidate regardless because it is much more exciting than this hive capacitor loop

[grave umbra]

Exciting? It’s gonna be hazard headshot regulus lol

1.04^9=1.423x current intimidate amped dmg

[wet badger]

That's what technician and sticky bombs are for

[grave umbra]

1.02^9=1.195x thats the PTS version

[grave umbra]

I usually stay out of fights like that and just HW vile jam

I need cherry’s new Discord if he created a new one

[tawdry pier]

Striker turning into a 26% amp is never gonna be not funny to me

Chatter striker has got to be the most dead build out there now post patch

[wet badger]

They seem to be kneejerk nerfing striker because of the chatter stairs rubbish, i mean... it has to be right? i do welcome a nerf to strikers damage but its a rather big nerf, u get more damage from concussion and thats just a talent. Reminds me of the TP Pesti nerf, double nerfed into oblivion.

I guess we will have to just welcome it for now, the nerfs are more than necessary

[golden ermine]

I dont think striker itself needed a nerf, just chatter tbh. Striker should be high risk high reward

[craggy trench]

Striker just shouldn't stack on decoy

[golden ermine]

That too

They stopped it from working on hb but not striker

[limber cedar]

Yeah, for some reason the hologram is treated as a head hitbox.

[summer kelp]

yes it should

if you can stand behind a decoy and it blocks bullets from your opp. then it most certainly better stack your striker.....

[wet badger]

what are u even saying?

[summer kelp]

if i drop a decoy and stand behind it and you shoot me it tanks your bullets.........

like a D-drone... So if it does that yes it should stack your striker

[wet badger]

bro... sigh

[summer kelp]

you should ahve stayed retired

[shut tiger]

Hi, can someone help me with the trophy? I need to intercept an extraction in the Occupied Dark Zone. Thanks!

[wet badger]

so we're rage baiting gggggg

[summer kelp]

you didnt know you can block bullets with a decoy did you..?

[craggy trench]

I just ignore him 99% of the time

[summer kelp]

lol yall dont even know how a decoy works LOL !!!! comical, bet you didnt know about bighorn stacks and decoy..?

@grave umbra hahahhaahahahhahahaha

[wet badger]

the level of self control i am having to force upon myself is monumental

[summer kelp]

LOL!!!!!!

stay retired

[wet badger]

yeah u got it 👍

[summer kelp]

Did you know you can stack big horn on decoy..?

[golden ermine]

No fr?

[summer kelp]

IDK im to stupid to know anything

[limber cedar]

I only believe with video

[summer kelp]

thats fine dont trust me. its ok the less you know

but i mwan if you can stack striker and big horn .......... but what do i know

[limber cedar]

I was talking about the blocking bullets things, I already knew about the stacks things since WONY.

[summer kelp]

So do the math if the bullet hits the the decoy and counts as a hit mark then why would it go through the decoy..

[limber cedar]

Because the decoy is a hologram and every shooter game that has holograms (halo, Titanfall, blacklight retribution, etc) the bullet goes through because holograms aren't a physical objective, it's essentially made of just light. Call me a nerd. 🤓

[summer kelp]

then how does it count as a stack..?

But I understand your thinking there

[limber cedar]

Bad code

[summer kelp]

gotta remember this is the Division 2 lol

[craggy trench]

The fact that this takes 2 seconds to disprove is what makes it more entertaining

[summer kelp]

Ok!

I guess I’m the only one it works for lol

[modern gull]

probably because it counts as a hitbox in the game's code

[wet badger]

For the people that actually play the game.

If you shoot a player through a decoy you get double stacks.

I rest my case.

[olive bough]

can anyone offer some pvp build advice to a returning player, im only trying to get into the dark zone to do my steam achievements (1 rogue kill each zone, 1 hijacked extract)

not looking to put together the meta build just something accessible without months of farming and rng, enough to win 3 fights haha

i have st elmos engine, coyote mask, momento backpack, ninjabike messenger backpack if that helps, some other exotics but those are the noteable ones ive found

[golden ermine]

It occasionally blocks bullets but pretty sure just bad hit reg or something. I also build inconsistent stacks

[half compass]

You can just ask someone to help you in lfg, you don’t need a build for those achievements

[summer kelp]

and it still blocks bullets, I never said it blockes all the bulletsi just said it does block bullets.

[summer kelp]

that was a rhetorical question ( i think i spell that right)

[idle nest]

If I run deflector shield with the defender drone could I actually possibly build something worthy of the DZ

I don't know why but I want to make deflector work in PvP somehow

[summer kelp]

no

[idle nest]

No to running it with the defender or no to making it work at all

[limber cedar]

Shields literally doesn't work because of it's pvp 8x dmg received multiplier.

[idle nest]

So my only option for pistol shield would be bulwark if that's what I intend on doing then?

[limber cedar]

I meant all the shield, unless you wanna use those 2 pistol shot red builds.

[idle nest]

Bruh

I leave the game for 4 months and Ubisoft manages to Nerf the coolest ability in the game all right

[limber cedar]

Bro, this nerf exists for more than 2 years ago.

[idle nest]

Well then I wasn't informed and wasn't having issues when I was on PlayStation

I'm just building defender drone at this point I don't want to sit behind cover

[sullen prawn]

Doesn't it have to be an opponent's decoy? You could proc Tenacity off of someone else's decoy not your own

[grave umbra]

Shield was nerfed twice with first time quickly after release of WONY

Taking 4x damage and taking 8x damage with concussion

[limber cedar]

Almost all of the talents that involves hits are hits on enemies, so hits on friendlies will not count.

[vale canyon]

Fix the PvP in this game!

[modern gull]

what’s the healer/support build people use in pvp groups?

[wet badger]

You are more than welcome to post a clip showing this, I'm sure some of us are curious.

It's just maybe you left something else in that bong of yours

Because if I remember correctly there is an angle where if you are too close to a decoy and try to shoot the decoy your shots don't hit, it can be the red dot mechanic thinking the decoy is solid cover, all you do in this instance is shift to the side and you'll find the right angle

[summer kelp]

sadly I was told I cant post clips no more...... some shit about self promo.

if you read up you shall see it does is it intended No not one bit. but does it yes haha its ok to be wrong

[golden ermine]

No

[golden ermine]

ahem could be just bullet reg happening to me though

[neat musk]

dont have time to lpay this PTS, TLDR of pvp related changes?

[golden ermine]

Nerf

[neat musk]

english

good, bad or meh before anyone types something out

[amber ice]

It's the start of a series of PvP stat changes, skills/attributes/etc are still incoming.

I fully understand why they did the Talents first.

[meager swift]

Here is the thing the Game Director said on twitter they are adding prototype gear to one of the DZ , how the hell are they going to balance that against regular high end gear ...

[amber ice]

@meager swift Do you mean the proto cache that you can buy for DZ credits?

Currently costs 400 credits, price may change.

[golden ermine]

Proto gear wont work in any dz i heard

[modern gull]

?

[golden ermine]

4p future birdies

You can make alternatives with final measure and cav

[modern gull]

what’s the last piece

[sullen prawn]

Cav might be worth it even though its a little rng with the cycling. I think next season skills will be pretty strong

[modern gull]

?

[sullen prawn]

Regarding the proposed changes to talents in pvp - do you read it as core strength is retaining its 15% skill efficiency per "core" or that they are using 15% efficiency as the amount a yellow core equates to and thus core strength's gear bonus of 22% is applied to the 15% skill efficiency just like to the 15% weapon dmg of a red core or 170k of a blue core?

[grave umbra]

15% skill efficiency x 22% = 3.3% skill efficiency (no chest)
15% skill efficiency x 32% = 4.8% skill efficiency (w/ chest)
in pvp scenario, while having 6 skill tiers, current highest amount of non-skill-tier cores is total of 5, which means for the next season will be (15% x 4.8% x 5) = 24% skill efficiency while current season is (15% x 70% x 5) = 52.5% skill efficiency

Essentially it’s 55% nerf on the core strength

Some of their wording on talents are really confusing like French numbers lol

[sullen prawn]

Thanks for getting what I was saying. Yeah that's what I figured. I mean the fact they never changed the Lefty talent just goes to show how much effort these devs put in lol.

[meager swift]

@amber ice straight from the horses mouth

Amalgam, Echo and Atomise will be heavily used , just imagine festive delivery with atomise 🤣

[sullen prawn]

Umbra Echo 💀

[modern gull]

[olive bough]

does anyone in oce severs find people in the darkzones?

[grave sequoia]

Full trapper

[meager swift]

@olive bough Oceania is dead bro , may aswell turn them into a permanent PvE zone , get a VPN and go fight in US or EU

[olive bough]

yeh was looking to do my achievements but after farming some baseline pvp build i realised its a ghost town

[tawdry pier]

Quantum taking over dz and turning everyone to use 1 shot builds

[grave umbra]

usually chinese players vpn to oce server to farm in DZ
filipinos r there too

[meager swift]

@grave umbra dude no one come to OCE anyone as its dead , PHR used to be here until they got farmed that hard by NVS they went and hide in EU lol

[grave umbra]

i still remember PHR when i was in RAX, they were so toxic that everyone band together just to fight them LOL

[grave umbra]

might be safe haven to farm those DZ resource when the new season starts

[meager swift]

Yeah knock yourself out lol

[modern gull]

this is my current regulus build for pvp, wondering if i should change this
is crit reg better or headshot hazard reg better?

[golden ermine]

Prob hs haz for versatility in general and crit for damage

[sullen prawn]

Wouldn't contractors give more dmg than the 10% wpn dmg from 2nd yaahl?

[modern gull]

yeah but then i'd lose more hazpro

i will say i did switch this off for crit reg

let me try and show it off

dunno which would be preferable

[sullen prawn]

Got it. Yeah personal pref at that point then. If not 100% hazpro its sort of subjective how much u want.

[golden ermine]

New gearset ^

[amber ice]

So I see this is going to become a thing to post this in every channel now.
If you're going to from now on, you'll need to make it clear that it is indeed, a joke. As we've already had people genuinely ask about it.

[modern gull]

how the hell have people looked at that gear set and not think it was a joke

[sullen prawn]

For real. Like honestly how do they think its real. holy iq

[idle nest]

Ok hear me out whiplash exotic revolver plus 2 shotguns

I'm tempted to try and make it work bc I'm bored

[grave umbra]

I’ve tried it, very awkward

[half compass]

You can use the centurions holster and not need to switch to pistol

[modern gull]

hey check out this golan chest i got

what talent should i roll

also got this

[summer kelp]

Umm unbreak. But if your going regen then you was the edc perfect efficiency bellstone 1peace is regen

[modern gull]

i already have that build, perf efficient with 3 piece gila and matador

was just curious about what this could be used for

[summer kelp]

Unbreak or intem I guess. Honestly, that’s a mantelpiece if you ask me.

[modern gull]

what about this

[summer kelp]

I was toying with a a-rush intem IA fox con all blue but you’d want punch drunk

So maybe a hhf pve intem and a prov a rush..?

For fun chill challenging content..?

[idle nest]

I want to switch to pistol

[grave umbra]

If you want headshot Regulus, go for Punch Drunk, 3pc IA (intimidate chest), Matador, Picaro or Claws Out

All armor core, thats my approach, was hitting 1.2M in conflict when intimidate max stacks, considering the upcoming intimidate nerf, it might take up to 3 shots to kill any without bonus armor

[summer kelp]

Exactly. That dh is another mantle piece or pve peace

[modern gull]

right now i'm rocking this

honestly might just keep this and optimize it
3 reds 3 blues, unbreakable and 80% hazpro

i just need to get better at aiming lol

[grave umbra]

My not-so-profound-regulus opinion is that if you have reds, contractor and fox prayers r better off than 2 piece yaal gears

[summer kelp]

Yeahh 3/3 is kind umm. How do I say this counterproductive?

[grave umbra]

3/3 is triggering for me

[modern gull]

do i go contractor's or something

[summer kelp]

It’s (B/R) 0/6 2/4 4/2 6/0. that’s about it. 3/3 is just umm. Bad

[summer kelp]

I think I told you this before ditch the yawl for fox con crit crit with punch drunk in chc for that Oo damn head shot. Or go full head shot and handling

[grave umbra]

most ppl ive seen r either 0/6 or 2/4
and those who run 0/6 rnt to be fked with

personally i like 6/0, just for more armor

[summer kelp]

I have all haha. And a 2 yawl for being sneaky and f spotter builds lol

That one still 2/4 because I missing 1 yawl all red / to lazy to craft lol

[wet badger]

An empathic chest or as I prefer efficient, I run 3/3, on my healer with a tiny wee bit of haz

[modern gull]

oh i thought it would be 6 skill tiers

interesting, do show the build if you’re able i’m curious

[wet badger]

Yeah I dunno about this one... Seems like I might get relegated to 1 single DZ a day...

Nah u don't need 6 tiers, if I see a healer with that low armour he's a dead healer.

3/3 birdies perfect efficient, hazard on the high end, repair everywhere else, but maybe I rolled 1 extra haz, I can't remember, survivalist, sweet dreams, lefty for sledge, and +1 pistol with reformation

But why bother making anything now? Everything changes, that new healer set will replace future for the most part

[modern gull]

really? thought the new healer set was kind of mid

[wet badger]

It's gonna be a bit harder to use because of the range reduction but with that amount of increased healing u might be able to make a tank healer

[modern gull]

been a while since i've last seen tdi kard lol

[wet badger]

Yeah exactly like that, you just have to be mindful about jammers and preemptively drop a chem so u don't get locked out of a heal, which isn't a big issue because u can swing a corner, take a shot and hit a kit

[golden ermine]

Back just post warlords, i would cycle BTSU gloves, tech hive and that 1 chem to keep heals up through emps

[wet badger]

It was a very different game back then