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Just to see who is playing this weekend? Never thought you needed to be logged in for that.
It will be public when it begin. But yeah faceit have loads of problem. But Starg GG is worst (for public information, its better for small organisation and player)
A redbull mini fridge at a hcs event would be a nice touch
To see individuals on rosters, that has been the way for over a year with Faceit
Man I’m out of the loop. Ok.
I think we've had this conversation before, lol
lol maybe but with that said, app still is just freezing for me and the website still doesn’t have a keyboard. 😂
what do you mean by "have a keyboard" ?
He means this ^
Trying to search for the event for tomorrow and I click search and then I can’t type anything. 😂
🤣
Just make sure you log in
I wonder who Chang is
Thank you.
Wonder if Walshy is still sponsored or partnered with redbull since the 20th anniversary of halo 2 managed to get hooked up with 2 redbull mini fridges
Chang is Mental.
Anyone need 1 for today’s off season?
If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:
#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims
Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.
Anyone else get booted off the offseason roster? We were all checked in and then it just wiped our team.
yeah i did
Happened to Spartan's team today too apparently
Yeah I’ve been hearing a lot of teams had it happen. A lot of the ppl in my server had issues
Make your feedback known on Twitter.
Consider tagging the esports folks from Halo Studios so they can learn how pervasive the issue was.
I don’t have x unfortunately. I only use discord, twitch, TikTok, and instagram
You can post on IG
Thank you. I commented on their most recent post.
Looking for team/duo to play w
24yo lots of comp knowledge, long time viewer. Great comms.
Good pacing for Anchor or fast slaying
If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:
#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims
Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.
PSA for Competitive Halo Players
We hear your frustrations, and I want to clarify how HCS regular and off-season tournaments are structured to avoid future confusion:
- FACEIT staff sets up and manages the backend (tournament pages, structure, etc.).
- Tournament admins,
It's a big post, click into it.
PSA for Competitive Halo Players
We hear your frustrations, and I want to clarify how HCS regular and off-season tournaments are structured to avoid future confusion:
- FACEIT staff sets up and manages the backend (tournament pages, structure, etc.).
- Tournament admins, including myself as the Regional Game Lead Admin, take over operations only after the tournament link is sent to us right before the tournament goes live. Unlike community tournaments I’ve worked on (ForgeHub, Complexity, eUnited), I don’t create or set up HCS tournaments.
For context on recent issues:
- There were issues in previous 4v4 with teams missing players, and partial teams reserving spots, having an increase of AFKs and not allowing other teams to sign-up
- Off-season 4v4 tournaments are one-day events and open to all regions which causes limitations of operations
- Check-in ran from 10:45AM ET to 11:15AM ET Teams/players who don’t check in during this window are automatically removed to allow others to join last minute.
- The platform auto-removes teams that don't check in. Unfortunately, the platform does experience technical issues and bugs. The teams do their best to assess solutions once it is brought forward.
- Rosters and teams are locked 15 minutes before the tournament starts.
- Admins like myself have limited backend access (we can’t add/edit teams, resolve platform issues, or modify the bracket).
Please ensure to check the tournament page an hour before to see that your team is confirmed and checked-in for all events. If you have an issue, we suggest immediately tagging a FACEIT Admin on the FACEIT Discord for support.
We will work with the other ops teams involved to discuss this situation and assure this does not happen again. Which means check-in may be removed if teams were experiencing unwarranted kicks / not seeing the check-in button. We will make sure to find a better solution moving forward and will write on the overview page on future tournaments for any additional details I can provide to indicate any important notes and procedures.
Apologies for the inconvenience for today as we understand the frustration that this caused.
Can’t wait for him to win “Comeback Player of the Year” in 2125
Odds at +10000
not sure why he would need to cheat
Good that dude is a pos
I was watching the aPG/Kuhlect streams yesterday and apparently his 2 accounts got banned, one in april and his main on dec 19th. After that apparently he started to play on one of his friends accounts and it got banned again a few days ago
The friend's gamertag is "r1tual" and if you look at the games history on leafapp they played ranked together in 2022 for like a day and then that account stayed inactive until a few days ago basically. aPG was in the same lobby and immediately realized it was a cheater and he replied in chat "you know me Brad" or something like that and aPG also received screenshots of dms that proves r1tual was in fact monster. It was a wild stream 🤣
With that said, i genuinely hope all is well with him
Bound posted a single clip and called him out for cheating on X if you wanted to see more allegations.
i feel bad for him as a person, no matter if he's actually cheating or not it's just a...bad situation
like realistically his career or potential career might be over, half of the community already decided if he's guilty or not anyway, i hope he's fine
- monster stole money from others through online tournaments
- affected seeding for every lan he was involved with
- tricked teammates into teaming with him at lan thinking he was better than he was
- probably killed a few of the careers of other players by gatekeeping their placings
- plagued matchmaking for 3 years
who cares if his career is over?
i was talking from his perspective when i mentioned his career, i hope he's fine psycologically, emotionally, whatever you want to call it. That's my thought
this is the 2nd time he has been banned from a game for cheating, I am sure he will be fine
If he cheated, it didn't show that much on LAN.
Was he still in Ascending Baseline ?
Of course not, the idea is that he cheated online.
And therefore it affected other legitimate players' seeding going into a LAN.
Yeah but he played alright on LAN so its really strange
The difference in his performance on LAN to online is pretty large
Ok
The whole cheating situation makes me wish that competitive halo wasn't moved to pc especially online tourney's aswell
There's cronus cheat on consol too, in online tournament
It's way more rampant on pc
I understand, but the system Anti-cheat was the problem
True
Oh, and Quadrant items are finally removed.
And another team missing
(Sentinels)
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHalo/comments/1hvyiua/sentinels_items_are_no_longer_in_the_hcs_shop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
His response (it's long)
https://x.com/MoNsTcR/status/1876743941451579719?t=XezYf0bsGt9XEBV44WrM-Q&s=19
I am writing this statement because I am sick of the allegations made against me. I know there have been clips and speech raised that looks questionable and I understand that it paints a negative picture, but all I know is that I AM NOT AND HAVE NOT EVER CHEATED in Halo Infinite.
Nah he cheated 100%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEp5dNk9Gts
He gets interviewed
TLDW?
that's from aPG stream, nothing is confirmed, it's basically Bound accusing him of cheating and Monster not doing a great job trying to reply
honestly from all the clips i've seen and even entire games from his pov, nothing suggests he's blatantly cheating. There's only one clip where he's playing on his friend account and he's staring at a wall and then hitting like 3 no scopes in row. But even that it's not blatant, it's not like he's tracking people through walls or there's an obvious aimbot. Also watching clips or even games taken from Infinite theatre is a bit sketchy because you can't hear comms, you can't see if someone is checking scoreboard, for example in that clip i mentioned it's pit flag i think, he's in sword with sniper standing still, looking at a wall and peeking only after someone has spawned tower. It's sus for sure but maybe he was looking at the scoreboard so he knew someone just spawn tower.
What's sus to me is more like the fact that he's not really doing much to defend himself and clear his name imo. Even in that tweet he wrote for example he doesn't mentions playing on his friend account or acknowledge the dms aPG showed on stream for everyone to see, so i feel there's a lack of transparency for sure.
Are Sentinels done with HCS?
According to the concensus in that thread, yes they are
Glad I got all the HCS skins ahead of time, they have some clean ones
Seems like they are done
F
Hope the anti cheat improves
For online tourney's it should be on console instead of pc and the players should use a controller cam
I feel like it's ok to have pc used for online tourneys because of mnk users. Just need to figure a different way to deal with cheaters.
Which requires a lot of resources.
I wouldn't say "just as easy"
But we also shouldn't go into detail on it here
Good point
Good point, I removed it.
Fair, didn't need to but all good
Wouldn't want more of 'em lol
Bro is a lil late to the discussion
I didn’t want to say anything. 😂
Yesterday aPG announced that he will not be competing next season. He said he's not retiring but his mom has cancer and he wants to stay close to her and his family as she's going through chemo. He's probably gonna coach the team of Trippy, Penguin, Falcated and Suppressed
Kinda, but if you look at the roster and think about playstyle, I can see it.
Also, it's likely lunch is stepping out to focus on IRL
Hopefully we get the SSG announcement next
formal wearing one of those early 1900's hats, lol.
Tusk is lowkey really good at play calling. Super smart. Idk why he wasn't on better rosters
ho ho ho
When Tusk ran with Kuhlect, Cykul...those 3 were a problem.
Forgot about that and gbx
So is Tusk officially retired now that he's a coach?
You never know
Epic
Can't wait for SSG to announce the real god squad 
The instinct type
Wait where is Lucid and Trippy now anyone know yet if they're both not with Optic anymore?

Looking forward to see what the new Optic team can do.
Trippy is teaming with Pznguin, Falcated and Suppressed, they don't have an org yet. Lucid is most likely playing for SSG with Eco, Stellur and Snakebite. The one and only God Squad 😏
Guessing trippy team might get Faze
Tusk was a coach at Worlds for that team with Kuhlect that got top6. Then he came back as a player. You never know.
Any news on where Royal 2 might end up?
Shopify
Oh shoot...
Complexity announced theirs too.
Interesting Trippy, Pznguin, Falcated and Suppressed definitely would need to see how well this team will be.
If the team for SSG is Lucid, Eco, Stellur and Snakebite looks really good as well.
Definitely most interested in seeing how the new Optic and SSG team play.
So was this a HCS or all the orgs decision to split up all of the teams from last year line up, to keep things somewhat fresh? In the past there were only like a few team changes here and there not a fully brand new line up / team.
Like I enjoy seeing high level gameplay regardless of the org but it was getting a bit samey / stale seeing the same orgs / players nearly all the time.


I’m interested to see what Bubu is gonna do this season. He played the first off season tourney with Manny, Monster, and Kulect. Made it to Grand finals. Haven’t seen the dude since. That team obviously won’t work anymore with the whole Monster ban hammer debacle.
No need for new photos for any of them. 😂
Lolol
Wonder who will coach complexity
What happened to Cherished lol
It's ashes I thought. He even posted about it
Cherished is teaming with Mental, Taulek, and Soulsnipe.
Thrilled to have this squad for the 2025 @HCS season! The question now is, should I run it back coaching again? 🤔
Not having Lqgend anymore is certainly something, but Lucid coming in in his spot is wild. I sorta expected that transfer but I didn’t realize Snakebite was with SSG now. That one’s totally new to me (ofc I also stopped paying attention to hcs news for a couple months so it makes sense that I would miss it)
@hearty wave ?
Just realised there's one ashes not multiple sorry
yeah obviously Optic is a really really good team, Bound and Legend together are insane in this meta for the way they move on the map and how good they're, especially Legend, at staying alive in seemingly impossible situations. But with that said i think people are underestimanting SSG and also Shopify. SSG is getting Lucid, the season 1 mvp, they still have Stellur, the season 2 mvp, Eco that had an amazing season last year with the current meta and they're adding Snakebite a 2022 and 3 time world champion. If you also count Elamite they have more accolades than any other roster in Infinite. They're the real god squad imo, or just as much as Optic is.
in any case, I linked the one I meant
also Shopify is low key at the same level imo, Last Shot and Cykul may lack experience but in terms of skill they're up there, their damage output is wild, i feel like everytime i watch Last Shot either in mm or tourney he's dealing 2k more damage that anybody else on his team
I agree in the sense that there are enough 'god players' that if they all don't retire and are on teams with each other (not crazy split up too much) then there will always be 3 teams that could win any major.
yeah and also shoutout to Trippy's new team, i think they can do well too next season
Snipedown staying on main screen hasn't been replicated since Columbus 09
Ryanoob, Gilkey, Yakzn, and Kingnick are competing this week. Haven’t seen those guys in awhile.
temp roster
Super odd team. I hope Noob lands better than this.
people seem to just team with who they know rather than who the best free agents are
These Opens aren’t too important.
With that said I’m sad to see Noob is with Gilkey, KingNick, Yakzn.
The naming comes after the launch of the tournament ?
Faceit really removed again a fonctionnality to look easily to player nationality...
Anyone have HCS rules for controllers?
(yes they put it on google drive this time, and not on waypoint
Shopify does look very good. Cykul and LastShot are beasts.
Who won yesterday?
I know many may think it's premature to say but I'm not afraid of exposing myself, I think last shot is already one of the best in the game and I'm sure he'll prove it when the season starts
You should consider a better choose of wording. 😂 With that said I agree with you. I honestly think both LastShot and Cykul are the two better players on Shopify. It’s a VERY good team that can pull off an “upset” and win a Major this year.
I know my english is not the best 😅
Ah makes sense. I always forgot that this is a global chat about HCS. Love that Halo is everywhere. 😃
We are more than four days away, but still #soon. Vague, I know. We will announce the date we will be doing the reveal, it won't just be a surprise.
I do agree though that this will be one of the most exciting and competitive seasons for Halo Esports.
Thanks for your patience!
Here before the Midwest gets nothing again
You make it sound like you’re the only one. Most regions don’t get a Major. Having partnered orgs co host has made this even more true. SLC and Texas Majors inbound again.
KC had a major early in Infinite’s lifecycle and I’m not willing to travel outside of Chicago for events due to personal life stuff
The only CA event was in Anaheim and in person spectators were canceled that event. Couldn’t go. So you have one more than me.
Then let’s not do Dallas majors for at least 2 seasons so everyone’s happy
We hadn't had a halo event in Columbus since 2012
That’s my point. Partnered teams seem to be co hosting and likely taking on the of the financial responsibilities of the Major and/or its planning. Optic has done it the past two years in Dallas. Same with SSG in SLC. Faze and Quadrant last year in Atlanta and London. That’s why it’s likely back to Dallas (Complexity is also there) and why I don’t see a Midwest or CA event. It’s also why, if Shopify becomes a partner, we might see Toronto again.
Someone sent this to me. Not sure how accurate but it looks about right.
Players without a confirmed team for 2025 yet, sorted by average 2024 placing:
6.50 - Druk
7.25 - RyaNoob
7.83 - Rayne
8.70 - Lethul
8.70 - bubu dubu
9.30 - Sab
9.30 - Suspector
9.30 - Sceptify
9.70 - Gilkey
10.30 - Barcode
10.50 - KingJay
10.83 - Kuhlect
11.00 - King Nick
11.83 - Leuor
12.10 - Haines
12.50 - Diagram
12.50 - Manny
12.50 - Rammy
13.50 - yakzn
14.50 - Mortally
14.50 - Avenue
14.50 - Monster (lol)
14.50 - Squallaye
14.50 - HotShotGhost
N/A - Gunplexion
N/A - Naded
N/A - Cratos
N/A - FootedPanda
Definitely looks about right
Pretty sure C9 still has their entire roster signed. At least I never seen anything from them that suggested otherwise.
C9 and their players have been silent. I’m very curious what is happening there. They were really turning it on the last two events.
listing monster 😂
for this weekend at least:
Who in the world is Triple P?
he's been on Ascending Baseline rosters in the past
COVID?
correct
Figures 
Formal never played for EU. Was just fill in on Sentinels when Royal2 was suspended and then went on to Optic. EU was crushing it with the same squad for like 3-4 events before the Spartan benching himself drama happened.
That's what it was. I thought Formal filled in for 2 rosters before joining optic. I remebwr when he filled for r2 he beat optic for t6 I believe
Big news
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Hell yeah! They gotta win a major now
Would do so much for Halo!
Did moist have a halo team ever?
I don't think so
leuor might have a team
interesting
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Behold the Moist Rebellion!
i hope they are one of the partnered teams, i'll buy their skin, unless it's mega ugly lol. But next season i'm rooting for them, really want to see Cykul and Last Shot win an event
I honestly have Shopify Rebellion as the #1 team this year, lol
All the hype is with Optic this year but I don't think their team composition is as good as others
SSG, for example, has a better composition imo
With high slaying power and high IQ
Optic seem like peak level run and gun type players, fast and aggressive, but I think they lack in other areas
yeah everyone is talking about Optic but there are at least 3 other teams that are really really good. Even the team of Trippy, Penguin, Suppressed and Falcated is low key very good
Yeah! They're Faze, right?
It'll be really interesting to see how it pans out. My theory is that Optic has 3/4 of its players being all extremelyyyy similar in play-style and, because of this, will have a hard time with a handful of other rosters due to the lack of variety essentially.
Ren, Bound, and Leggend are all like "ok, go go go! Charge!" constantly, lmao. They all just want to play as fast as possible
we don't know yet, but Kaysan replied under Trippy's twitter post and he seemed interested so it might happen, i think it's the most logical and best option for both Faze and the players
Agreed! Idk much about Supressed but Falcated was playing insane in the last few off-season tourneys, they'll be pretty tough for sure
Maybe a bit better than Complexity? Idk, lol
I'm curious to see their team because Penguin is the only player in Infinite that never finished a lan event outside of top 3, Trippy i think didn't have a great season last year but he's a world champion, he won multiple events, he can be the igl now, i think he's going to be very motivated and i think he'll bounce back this year. Falcated is low key very good, i always thought he was but often he was not in the best position to prove it, this team is a great opportunity for him. Suppressed with Cykul and Last Shot one of the best up and coming young players.
Unless C9 decides to spend $ again
right, i completely forgot about C9 lol
They haven't said a peep yet, and their players too
Yeah, Falcated is a huge X-factor in the HCS this year for sure. Honestly, their whole team sounds like an X-factor. I could definitely see them upsetting a top 3 team
Or at least upsetting what we all are thinking will be the top 3 teams
something interesting: https://x.com/hastr0/status/1880379662054092886
Let's go!!!!
EnVy in halo again would be a vibe elumnite as a coach then any potential free agents
lots of possibilities
Indeed monster energy and EnVy partnership would make it complete
Give me that Team Envy skin back pretty please. Its the only HCS team skin i missed
Mental posted he is a FA now.
Damn
Is there an off season tourney tomorrow??
Yes
Bubu, manny, Sab, and Septify are competing under Cloud9.
Whoa. Suspector can never catch a break.
Yeah I thought for sure they would keep him if anyone.
It’s shocking to me that he keeps getting dropped. I’m kind of hoping, since Noob doesn’t have too many good options, that he picks up some former guys he has played with on Suspector, Descendant, and Mental. That would be solid.
I was thinking the exact same thing. He’s already teaming with former teammates this week in king nick, and Descendant.
Yea but King Nick isn’t it. Same with Rayne. At that point I’d rather it be a up and comer than him. But we’ll see.
If they place low this week he’ll probably make another change.
That team would actually be super good.
Yea that would be a dope landing spot at this point for all of them.
Hey Guys. Has there been any dates set for London this year for the HCS 2025?
Dates will be coming soon, per Tashi's tweet ^
London has not been something said to be happening for HCS 2025, FYI.
No locations have been announced.
King Nick was playing pretty great earlier, his team beat Bound and Renegade's team with Nick leading big
Complexity is also changing something, I saw breakingshot tweet saying he's f/a for next season
There is a non-hcs lan on london by EHL next sunday
Interesting
Been MIA for a bit and just respawned a few days ago but since it’s somehow Jan 19th I’ll say F/A right now for 2025 HCS stuff. Assuming the HCS 2025 roadmap isn’t just an urban legend of course 🫡
Sounds like they dropped Breakingshot to get Mental.
Agreed
That's rough
Epicc
btw in which team is bubudubu?
Cloud 9.
Ok if HCS announces in their season roadmap that Dallas gets to host more than one event this year like they did 2 years ago, I’m gonna crashout cause the CDL just announced a second Dallas event and I don’t want a repeat of 2023
It still baffles me how Gunplexxion still can’t find a decent team. Everyone says he’s “unproven”, and then refuse to give him a chance to prove himself. The dude is an FFA champion and frags out at 3000+ onyx. What else does this guy have to do?
I think that he needs to do at least one top12 during an hcs lan.
Ain’t gonna happen with the guys he’s teaming with. Not a chance.
Unfortunately, most teams are already full with experienced LAN players. There isn't much room left for him, especially since it's the last year of HCS.
There's a lot you don't know then. Sometimes it not about skill but personality and some of the things a person does in and out of the game.
And I'm going to leave it at that.
Yeah that’s fair. It’s just a shame imo. Bro is cracked at the game.
We don't know if it's the last year of HCS
Agreed that personality plays a significant role
This is basically what I’ve heard too. No one wants to team with him and it isn’t a skill issue.
European Halo LAN happening right now
https://www.twitch.tv/europeanhalo?sr=a
It's interesting to me.
He's clearly very skilled, but for the last two years I've seen him and his teams consistently not work as often as other teams.
Less scrims, less taking part in online tournaments
I wonder, were all his new teammates playing today on other teams?
They're top in EU for sure.
But I don't think Pipa played on this LAN, did they?
No, they did not, maybe they are playing the online today.
I think so
Optic played with Falcated in Formals spot. Thought if everyone got on for it he would’ve joined but I guess not.
lol, honestly I hope Shopify and SSG trade wins all year
With Optic getting second the whole time. 😂
Espc considering he was on halo last night no?
I mean, it really could be he just wants to chill before the season, and then when it starts go all-in.
I'm ready to be wrong and have Optic roll over teams.
But I think it'll be very competitive
Correct. I’m surprised after he did start playing last night and everyone else was playing today.
I feel like his heart just isn't in it anymore
I mean he's made a name for himself and would be completely fine if he just streamed as a job. It's not like he needs halo.
And it's not like Bound, Renegade and Lqgend are gonna say anything about it. They joined Optic for the branding to expand their streams and careers.
But the real question is if this Optic roster is gonna show up to the first LAN and be as dominant as they seem they are gonna be
Shopify getting these reps in the offseason surely will help them early on
I feel sorry for Shopify after what optic did in that forbidden ctf 😭
I think he is still in it, but he doesn't want to overdue it.
This is rough.
Why do people suck so much sometimes
Details from the person who did it:
https://x.com/SlayTheMinotaur/status/1883911595975233999?t=pmEcG7vM581GMKMXEtO5eA&s=19
April 8th 2023 ITB qualifies to the Paris Major.
The company experiences massive growth, a legacy and, if handled correctly, the foundation required to create a fully funded operation supporting several esport aspirations and capable of going years into the future.
Veb,
I read the ceo's tweet yesterday and I was in disbelief. He's apologizing and that's the bare minimum, but then instead of reassuring the people he owes money to that he will do what he can to solve the situation or at least try to do so, he started giving moral advices to others, as if this whole thing was already behind him and he learned from it...
Hes litterally the reason why they didn't win last year
Him and has bad work ethic
It wasn't even much of an apology.
More just an admission of guilt.
That's what I think, but any time I say something like that I get blasted.
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
https://x.com/Tashi343i/status/1884306114118050141?t=nJXBsCcdzyHQ19PCotCjRQ&s=19
In the Livestream we'll share Ranked updates coming with #OperationFrontlines and the @HCS Year 4 Roadmap. See you Friday!
This was the announcement of the roadmap in advance, as promised!
You nailed it @somber swift January 31st it is!
Finally!!! The moment we've all been waiting for https://x.com/Spacestation/status/1884325332540612876
SSG 🔥
[repost for the embed on albi's behalf]
https://x.com/Spacestation/status/1884325332540612876
My official guesses:
Dallas - May 22/23 weekend at Dreamhack
SLC again with SSG
Toronto with a new Shopify partnership.
Random guess of Anaheim or Raleigh.
Seattle Worlds in October.
I feel like we only get 3 majors plus worlds
I can see that happening. That would be lame. Even if it was three majors and an online minor or something, still lame.
I do still feel like the next Halo is coming out end of year or early 2026 and this HCS season is solely being done to keep the audience engaged in the interim. So three would make sense but it should be a full season.
Every year has had a different format so far, and year 4 is like a bonus year.
So I could see it slightly dialed back
Hcs DC would be interesting
Maybe the return of Super this year ?
Midwest HCS plz
Possibly!
Lots of issues with competitive integrity though
Never being in problem in Year 1. And with so much less player, less risk
HCS Japan 😤
I wouldn't say it was never a problem in year 1.
And I feel like as time goes on, the accusations of cheating have only increased, not decreased
Separately,
I bet that the first online tournament of Year 4 is Feb 9th.
75% chance.
25% chance it'll be the 16th.
I would bet that it isn’t on Feb 9th. First, that’s the Super Bowl. Secondly, there is a ForgeHub event that day I think in part because there was no HCS event.
I definitely did not know that was super bowl day
I change my prediction to be 90% Feb 16th, 5% Feb 9th and 5% Feb 23
Well, the Super Bowl is only for US and its the night. So other region can have on the 9th
I get that but HCS has gone more NA centric lately and there still is the ForgeHub tournament, which I’m sure they worked with HCS in putting it on.
Wish HCS would branch out. Asia, ANZ(MX should be NA imo), and EU need some love
EU came along way in competitive halo they didn't breakthrough the scene until Anaheim 2009
Last time they did a tournament during Superbowl there was a lot of backlash.
😄
Lucid and Stellur. my 2 favourite Infinite players are on the same roster now, next season is gonna be insane
There is always backlash ...
I don’t think you understand how big the Super Bowl is.
Last year it had 123M viewers. It’s expected that 16M people will call in sick the next day. Most of the year.
If that happened, I'd go a week in advance just to see the museums
Wowowowowowowowow
Rostermania hasn't been the same since Walshy was dropped from FB
This offseason was pretty epic in terms of rostermania.
Agreed
Born to be a 2008 MLG H3 kid forced to be a modern halo zoomer
Wish I got my competitive start during halo 5 pretty much
Neutral bomb? jesus
Where's Pure? Or did they disband?
still a team, not sure about their 'name' though
ho no no Europe
Nope, Quadrant quit
50 k !
lol
Your doubt has been answered @somber swift 
2 Texas
3 texas XDDDD
the fist one doesnt' really count though
its not HCS ?
❤️
hcs minneapolis
Tashi mentioned cities and all
But at the end of the day cost of venue is what will dictate this
@cinder wyvern
these graphics go hard
Apparently Texas is still tax heaven ^^
2025 marks a historic year for competitive Halo and the HCS as we enter Year 4 for Halo Infinite esports. What makes this year historic? This is the first time a single Halo title has had full esports support for four consecutive years! This is important to note for two reasons; the first being that […]
Wait if HCS is listening to community feedback on which city should host major 3, time to be so annoying advocating for it to be Chicago lol
Again, doesn’t have to be downtown at McCormick Place, do it in Rosemont at the Stephens Convention Center
Maybe LA because its where Faze is based
Utah and Seattle already fill in the west coast events
Apparently its not what they are looking
Plus we’re long overdue for an event in a different region of the US than the usual 3 (Texas, Utah, west coast)
I am going
woops sorry
New link if you wanted to update:
https://wpassets.halowaypoint.com/wp-content/2025/01/HCS_2025_Program_Handbook_v2.5.2.docx.pdf
Not sure if there will be a short version
Updated, thanks
I... don't know.
If there is a short url feel free to ping me with it
D:
looks like that's due to short turnaround with the Dreamhack ones?
very possible yes
is atriox going to return after halo infinite
So is complexity not apart of the Dallas Cowboys anymore?
Jerry Jones eSports dynasty?
i think they parted ways
nvm on the website it says throwback gear
Hasn’t been since March of last year
ahhhh that's when I took a break from gaming, hence the green heart next to my name
Also all their stuff is labeled as “throwback” cause they’re in the process of redesigning their classic logo so they’re using throwbacks as their primary until the proper rebrand
yeah I figured that's what it was. Good for them!
God I’m pumped up.
- New mode on two maps.
- New map with two modes.
- Nerfed pick ups that hopefully won’t be GA’d any more.
- Changed strafe that hopefully change the jiggle peak meta.
- More orgs than I thought with the addition of TSM plus Faze not leaving.
- Roadmap isn’t terrible. Actually think I’m going to go to Dreamhack because it sounds fun with COD and CSGO also having an event that weekend there.
- Fifth LAN to watch with the “top4” teams to start us off.
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Kind of an interesting choice to have the major on Easter Sunday. 🤷🏻♂️
GA's are over:
https://x.com/Lucid_TW/status/1885483430055411941
(For now)
Update is looking like a banger coming up on Tuesday! Important competitive aspect is with all of these changes GA’s need to be off the table until we play with everything back in. I’m picking up everything on the map day 1 🫡
I'll post up a summary for the Roadmap and the first event soon
Less org : itb and quadrant left
More orgs than I expected.
I mean, ITB wasn't partnered though
Is Native Gaming still putting a team in or are they out?
So who's carrying EU halo since quadrant left all eSports and itb dissolved
N8V is still in the scene. I saw DerangedNative post on Reddit that they should have a team announcement hopefully by the end of the month.
Did they drop Barcode?
I believe it’s a clean slate right now.
Alright.
I’m honestly hoping that Noob gets that org with the squad he has been running. They actually are doing really well in the Opens and N8V seems big on picking up well known guys in the scene with followers like Mikwen and APG. Noob makes sense there.
Yeah I agree with that for sure. Curious what Lethul and Kulect are up to right now with everything getting finalized.
Same. I think Lethul will sneak his way onto a team somehow but he could be done. Very curious about that. As for Kuhlect, I think that days of him getting a chance might be over. Guy is so talented but people seem to not like to play with him.
Lethxl would be a good teacher i think
I think C9 should drop sab and sceptify. Pick up Lethul and Kulect. Keep manny and Bubu.
They will play, but it will be difficult for us to find an org that give them a salary.
at the moment, there's still 2 strong teams - but without orgs backing them
The third eu teams, can be a top 12 team, we just have to see who is the last player on their roster
I think more like top 16, but yeah
They will be better this year, they scrim itb and jimbo's team these last months
Hope they can clutch up
They will probably won against 3 out of 4 open bracket's team
?
Open bracket team
Oh.
That doesn't mean they make it to pools guaranteed
Also, you can turn off pings when you reply to me 😊
If itb roster or jimbo roster do top 6, they will have a place in pool
Like last year
Correct!
I hope it will happen again
And they won against latam or mindfreak for the world qualification
Maybe LATAM second team?
Mindfreak went to worlds I remember
And so did main LATAM team
But yeah, it will be difficult for eu, if jimbo's team or it's roster don't have a good org to be focused at 100% on the game.
Do you think pro players will try ranked squad battle ?
Maybe for fun
Yeah maybe the 5 positioning games + 5-20 games to try at their rank.
SSG winning this weekend would be such a flex.
Are the weapons getting un-GA'd??
For now, yes
^
tomorrow gonna be good
We've got SSG, Shopify and 3/4 of Optic all playing!
Thank you so much for these updates
Made my day seeing the roadmap at work this morning
Sad about Suspector but at least he is doing something. Wish he got picked up.
The rosters are insane this year
Agreed!
Based on the Opens I would guess Bubu Dubu.
I'm very curious to see how competitive is going to evolve after the update.
It's obviously too soon to tell but yesterday in the off season tourney i think we already saw Optic having good chemistry, especially Formal and Renegade, something i wasn't able to see from Spacestation yet. But once again i was really impressed with Last Shot, he's so good right now it reminds me of season 1 Lucid for how consistently cracked he is. In general Shopify's teamwork seems to get better and better
also that grand final oddball game was crazy ||everything went wrong for Optic at the end. Formal played the ball from C balcony maybe he could've waited a bit but Royal 2 was flanking and Bound with camo didn't get the beatdown on Frosty, then Last Shot grabs and keeps ball just enough to go to ot getting the trade on Tusk too. Then R2 was able to pass the ball to Frosty in C only thanks to repulsor to win the game. It was like a crazy series of events that went in favor of Shopify lol||
Forreal
Shopify are definitely the best team in the league right now
Making Optic and SSG look over-hyped af, lol
Well...Optic looked good imo, especially if you think that Formal spent most of the off season on marvel rivals and they also played with Tusk because Legend is still in France
Ehh it's online, I'm going to give it a few weeks till a LAN or teams have more time together.
That game was insane.
I expected formal to drop the ball sooner, maybe would've been different outcome
Clutch all over again
Wonder if elumnite would've done well if he came back to coach on infinite
halo coming to ps5
Nothing like that has been announced or hinted at
Also this channel isn't for general Halo discussion, that would be #halo-discussion
ok after playing for a bit i don't think the shotguns will be unGA'd 😂 Shock is still pretty good on mnk, i can't really tell the difference. Stalker i could feel the slightly slower rate of fire but i think in the hands of the pros is still going to make a difference on Streets. The new jumps are great, especially the one on Recharge to reach glass even tough i missed them 90% of the time
Where can we watch the pro teams play more often? Like practice, scrims, etc. I want to watch SR play more often!
Follow the individual players on Twitch
It’s amazing how different Fortress and Aquarius play with bomb. Can’t wait to see the pros playing it.
It's going to be interesting
HCS Year 4 - 2025 Calendar:
SPLIT 1
Mar 1-2 Online Open #1 (Mar 2 only for EU/MX/ANZ)
Mar 8-9 Online Open #2 (Mar 9 only for EU/MX/ANZ)
Mar 15-16 Online Open #3 (Mar 16 only for EU/MX/ANZ)
Mar 22-23 NA Pool Qualifier
Mar 23 EU Pool Qualifier
Mar 23 MX and ANZ Open Qualifiers (for 1 team travel to Open Bracket each)
March 29 - SPECIAL EVENT - KAYSAN'S SHOWDOWN
FaZe, OpTic, Shopify Rebellion & Spacestation 4 team $50K invitational LAN - online viewing only
No HCS Points
https://x.com/kaysan/status/1885447481602805806
Apr 18-20 Arlington OpTic Major
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/optic-major
Apr 26-27 Online Open #4 (Apr 27 only for EU/MX/ANZ)
May 3-4 NA Pool Qualifier NA
May 4 EU Pool Qualifier EU
May 4 MX & ANZ Open Qualifier
May 23-25 Dreamhack Dallas Open
https://dreamhack.com/dallas/tickets/
SPLIT 2
June 7-8 Online Open #5 (June 8 only for EU/MX/ANZ)
June 21-22 Online Open #6 (June 22 only for EU/MX/ANZ)
June 28-29 Online Open #7 (June 29 only for EU/MX/ANZ)
July 12-13 NA Pool Qualifier
July 13 EU Pool Qualifier
July 13 MX and ANZ Open Qualifiers (for 1 team travel to Open Bracket each)
Aug 1-3 SSG Salt Lake Major
https://x.com/Spacestation/status/1885448127731425675
Aug 16-17 Online Open #8 (Aug 17 only for EU/MX/ANZ)
Aug 23-24 Online Open #9 (Aug 24 only for EU/MX/ANZ)
Aug 30-31 Online Open #10 (Aug 31 only for EU/MX/ANZ)
Sep 6-7 NA Major Qualifier
Sep 7 EU Major Qualifier
Sep 7 MX and ANZ Open Championships (1 team travel to Open Bracket each)
"Early Fall - TBD" FaZe Major
Oct 24-26 Halo World Championship 2025 - Seattle
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/2025roadmap
https://wpassets.halowaypoint.com/wp-content/2025/01/HCS_2025_Program_Handbook_v2.5.2.docx.pdf
https://wpassets.halowaypoint.com/wp-content/2025/01/HCS_2025_Code_of_Conduct_v1.0.docx.pdf
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Is there another off season tourney tomorrow??
nope
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yo do you win money for HCS majors?
perhaps
thats what i thought, but the way the picture looks only HWC has a prizepool listed lol
Yes. The Optic Major, for example:
4v4 Prize Pool: $250,000
FFA Prize Pool: $5,000
makes sense, thanks
I'll post a summary about the first major soon!
That’s awesome.
Guys. I'm looking for three experienced Halo Infinite players to start HCS training.
DM me if you want to discuss it.
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Time for Faze and C9 to announce already!
it's a start-up ?
The leftover good people from ITB as far as I know
nice
Still a shame to no have a real structure form Europe in Halo for 2025 :/
There seems to be a strong scene forming in non HCS though
Europa Blackpool was great, and EuroHalo did one recently too
European Halo league, is pretty good and strong. They just need more partners, more visibility, and having an EU team with a big organization.
Europa Halo is inactive now.... Blackpool was a goodbye
I know that.
But it built a foundation that showed what grassroots is capable of
Any updates on halo mcc
Hi
If you mean in terms of HCS, I think it's being included in some events this year.
In terms of game updates, there was one in December - #halo-discussion is the place for that
Ty
I'm guessing tomorrow?
https://x.com/Cloud9/status/1890193343872922101?t=VGZVtHq1ARAr7_HtGty2JA&s=19
Who we guessing?
If scrims are anything to go by it’ll be Manny, Sab, Sceptify, and Bubu.
Oooh
Yeah, this
Honestly is anyone even hyped for this announcement? If they only change they make is Bubudubu in place of Suspector I doubt there placings are going to change much this season.
I'm pretty hyped. Cloud 9 is partnered.
And there's some insanely good players left over still.
I mean, I'm not hyped.
But I like seeing all the pieces fall into place, so I'm interested
Lethul should be on cloud 9.
They should drop sab and Sceptify and pick up Lethul and Kulect.
I think kuhlect is doing something different this year
Bump for this tourney TODAY RIGHT NOW ^^
Any day now.🙄
Totally
Tapping buttons team has been looking really good in scrims lately. They went 5-5 against Complexity, 10-1 against Nemesis, 9-0 against Lies, and even took 5 games off of SSG. 👀
Those boys could upset a lot of teams this season.
They've always been solid online from what I remember
Then they should be better on lan since their ping online is really high.
Key word being “should”.
Akave esports did pretty good at worlds
unfortunately, the bigger playlists don't get taken seriously or end up just being a side station event, but maybe things will change.
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https://x.com/OpTic/status/1892958005886378177 Legend randomly annihilates a CoD world champion in his own game. Another proof that competitive Halo is far superior to CoD 😌
i'm not being serious btw 🤣
Hoping we get the faceit signups soon...
insert trolling phrase 🙂
Black and white is gonna go hard!
And is shopify purple and green?
Or purple and blue since moist joined?
Any chance the Faze event that is TBD is going to happen at Raleigh?
Or just in general on the east coast?
No one knows. Could be anywhere really.
Here's a history of when they have announced previous things, you can gauge from it
I'd say, they need more than 2 months notice bare minimum
Tashi said they want to announce not likeCharlotte
Interesting looking teams here
https://x.com/hcs_fantasy/status/1894007511822254151?t=lRSkuk5BPBEBO4SVwFOl8Q&s=19
Huge thanks to @OathxX024 for providing the commentary! 🎙️
Submissions are now open for a chance to be featured in the next episode: VOL.6 Ranked Arena
Triggers Down started being followed on Halo Data Hive. Lethul, Kuhlect, Descendant, Ezho. I actually like that a lot.
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#halo-discussion is probably better for this
my bad darn it
Finally
Making way for the roster announcement
Better late than never.
This is sad. C9 was better with him.
It's not a surprise though, given what we already knew
https://x.com/AscendBaseline/status/1885863012168601995?t=661ZxKWuwXpaYU3DThLKbQ&s=19
Oh for sure. I’m just saying they played in the offseason opens with Bubu once or twice and now scrimming and look a lot worse.
I guess we'll see how it all breaks down in real tournament play
For sure. Always rooting for the upset.
I wonder if it was his choice to take a break from competing
Interesting point. I do doubt financially he will do better doing content for AB as opposed to playing with C9, but it isn’t always a financial decision.
I know Ayden liked coaching a lot
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Possibly going to be a new drop today during this
https://x.com/LVTHalo/status/1894779680537890918?t=u5rcaGf5RnEKUcWrfj6dNg&s=19
Why dreamhack is an open, not a major ? What consequences etc ?

They want to put cod on halo
@somber swift
i think the game needs innovation after 4 years, even if it doesn't work i'm glad they're still trying new things
like for real if it was me i'd have an experimental playlist to test game changes like different sandbox for maps, starting weapons/equipment, new or returning maps and modes
and then based on feedback they can be added to ranked/competitive
It's new for Halo, yes, but in video games, this mode isn't new; it's inspired by CoD and others.
yes, i'm very curious to see how it plays in Halo
also the 20.000$ forge hub tournament is nice, hopefully with that prize pool we'll see pro teams in iti got this completely wrong lol, still cool for forgers though
We'll see, but I doubt the vision it gives. For me, Halo is about going out to find your loot and fighting to get it on the map, not looting at the start of the match in menus (especially since you can see in the video that it gives a camo and a rocket as loot).
And defending a point for 1 minute feels long.
yeah obviously it's too soon to judge but i'm also worried about that, i'm not a fan of picking loadouts at the start, i think it's in Halo's dna to be on the same loadout and fight for power weapons and equipment on the map. Thing is that it might be difficult to balance, i think defending teams could have a big advantage potentially, i guess we'll see how it plays out with those rules. Still very curious to see
@Mailmain_ @B1OChemist We haven't announced all the details yet, it'll be clearer in the coming weeks.
Likely, less teams, smaller prize pool, less points
There will be an open bracket ?
Normally, how many teams are they in a open bracket major ?
The open bracket could be online too prior. Also in the past when size was an issue, I believe SLC, they did some of the open bracket online and then finished the last few rounds in person.
Maybe they will just do an open bracket during the lan with only 8 to 16 teams
Normally up to 64
Do we know what the drops are this weekend?
I don't think there are any new drops this weekend.
Lvt likely will have some, but they'll probably be repeats
Question of the day
What’s something you used to dislike but have grown to appreciate over time?
Is this question in relation to HCS?
No
Gotcha. This channel is for the Halo Championship Series.
Please ask your question in #general-chat where you’ll get a bigger audience
Now I want to do the HCS version of this. 😂
Go for it
So, ANZ still only had 3 teams enter
Royal 1 might have a team!
https://x.com/Chris_Royal1/status/1895920294688370751?t=hFeX0sr3SzZVMR60SO--iA&s=19
Heard there might be some good matches today in the @HCS open series. Turning the stream on for an afternoon watch party.
Team reveal sub goal?
Ouch!
Something I disliked at first but has grown on me over time is definitely the Bandit. Wasn’t a fan at first and now I really like it.
Question of the day!
Who will win today?
This is a question for everyone that is educated in HSC Comp, Who is better bound or lqgend in y’all’s opinion? Dont just give a answer also give the reason for it
Shopify Rebellion
Can't really compare those 2 tbh
Might have to agree with you. It took me a while to get use to the aiming of the bandit as the BR has been my comfort blanket for over 20 years
That OT issue in assault is frustrating
What exactly is the issue? That it comes out of nowhere with no audio? Or that it isn't like ctf?
So there was an epic game yesterday in the finals. SR vs Optic. 0-0 and went to OT. With about 90 seconds left SR started to plant the bomb and the game ended.
Ohh that's bad
Occasionally the ball gets stuck, usually around stairs it seems, which leads to just playing for 30 seconds and letting it reset. But that OT glitch is BAD. Hadn’t seen it until the grand finals yesterday.
At least Shopify still won that game
Do you think the roster of Lies (gunplexion, Parabola, xeod, perzecute) can be in pool to do top 16 ?
Not really
that roster probably won't exist come this weekend
Id be surprised if it does
Guys why the heck the game keep kicking me
I am stuck at loading screen
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Hi @ornate crescent - do you know if 2025 points will be tracked in a Google sheet again?
Somehow there was actually 9 teams???
I somehow missed something
i fixed it by myself.
So thank you anyways
Ok, glad you got it working
@torpid beacon we have #1076327824924872755 for sharing your clips. Videos will embed there :)
Ok
March 2025 Calendar
https://x.com/HCS/status/1897398608519160254?t=i_U6VIMGBx-KEkhAfiW7gw&s=19
did lethul fall off or are his teammates pretty good? I only know hoaxer.
Descendant is 'new-ish' I think he came from Gears previously, and was on Complexity for part of 2023/2024. Kuhlect is a young gun who has been in/out most of Infinite. Ezho is moving from being a top AM into more extablished Pro.
okay, just used to seeing him with top teams.
He played in h5 as karmea i thought?
oh, I think you're right, my B
last year he sort of got dropped off the top squads and into a mid-pro team.
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Hey!!!!
Players or org?
They've been in Pools a few times
Mortally and Piggy for sure have seen pools. I think Yakzn once. I don’t think Avucy has though. But yea it’s a stronger top AM team. Top16 potential for sure.
Yakzn has
Yakzn season 1 team made pools and worlds i believe
That poster is so good🔥 🔥
There's too much Semi-pro and am team In NA that can be in pool.
😂🤙
hello
Hello
To be fair I did say he has. Not sure about Worlds. I’ve attended each one and don’t recall him playing in any. Could definitely be wrong though.
That’s kind of how it works. Those teams change a lot more and some players make it to pools sometimes but the lack of consistency is the issue.
HCS Open #2 for NA is live now:
https://www.twitch.tv/lvthalo
Follow along the bracket here:
https://www.faceit.com/en/championship/032139f7-54a4-443c-b1ad-91c2a31cf9b7/NA HCS Open Series 2 | MAR 8-9/standings/column
I just realized that one of the opens for hcs is happening between the 1st and 16th. Is it too late to join?
For this weekend in North America, it's already started.
But next weekend is still available to join!
It's a 2 day open though, Saturday and Sunday (if you make it far enough)
Here's the link for next week
https://www.faceit.com/en/championship/4c9eac13-4470-482c-af1f-45173ec62604/NA HCS Open Series 3 | MAR 15-16
Alright, thank you! Would you mind answering a couple of other questions?
- Do I need to bring a whole team or can I join the open solo?
- Is this the “Road to Arlington”, “Road to Dallas”, or “Road to Salt Lake City”?
You can start signing up as a single person to get the ball rolling on Faceit, but you'll need to find 3 more players to join you and register on your team.
There is no automatic team finder
This is the road to Arlington at the moment
You can try #lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams to get others to join you
You should also join the Faceit Halo Discord
Clutch Academy is also a good place to look for players.
I sent you some DMs
.
You'll need to have a Faceit account, and link it to your Xbox account
.
For anyone interested, EU broadcast is up right now!
https://www.twitch.tv/europeanhalo
NA Week 2 Grand Finals reset right now!
https://www.twitch.tv/lvthalo
OpTic v Shopify
v 🛒
MX week 2 is live now:
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@somber swift Is HCS or anyone posting points after the Open? Are you? I’m super curious where we are on points. Got a feeling we start to see some team changes and points will matter.
Individual player points are pinned in this channel
I also do a team seeding I keep relatively updated
Can share that with you later tonight
Hey I just found the pins on my phone. Honestly had no idea how to do it. 😂
This would be awesome.
For the Major, is it 8 NA teams from qualifier and then two more NA teams from points?
Is Sentinels not partnered anymore?
all their coatings in Infinite are vaulted, but I don't remember seeing anything about them leaving or sumn, unless I'm blind
Correct, they are not partnered anymore.
They didn't sign a roster for 2025 and didn't announce anything going either.
It was mentioned in the 2025 roadmap announcement blog by HCS though.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/2025roadmap
2025 marks a historic year for competitive Halo and the HCS as we enter Year 4 for Halo Infinite esports. What makes this year historic? This is the first time a single Halo title has had full esports support for four consecutive years! This is important to note for two reasons; the first being that […]
Oops
@sweet shuttle
Also, apparently I answered both in one post...
interesting
La la
they left the Halo scene and turned to Marvel rivals
Thank you!
Man Complexity on the fence of pools right now. Crazy.
So Native announced a merger with the recently revived Envy
Think we could see them return during the Dreamhack open or next season?
Oh?
I missed this
Yeah check Envy’s Twitter
I imagine they sign a roster in time for Arlington
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Triggers Down, reversal perfy, Tenrai
A few squads that might get signed.
Mental is chang?
I believe so
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but like the top 10 NA teams and the top 2 EU are qualified in pool, and maybe the team with travel coverage like the first mx , anz, and third EU team won in the open bracket to join the pool. There will be a place for a NA team in open bracket who will join the pool, so probably Ascend baseline or lies infrantry ?
I don't understand
12 teams directly qualified in pool (10 NA and 2 EU)
Open bracket (first anz, mx and third eu team who join the pool; and probably one more NA team who will join the pool: maybe lies or ascend baseline)
not sure who will be the NA team in open bracket that will join the pool
Ok.
But you replied to me talking about who might get signed to an org
ohh yeah
Are you saying anyone in pools might get signed?
Maybe not enough tier 1 orgs
Or were you just sorta speculating on who might make pools?
This one
Cool, gotcha!
Personally, I think it's still early to tell, we've only had 2 opens
But 3rd EU team making pools typically isn't guaranteed
Same for ANZ, mindfreak is hit or miss
MX region team has been consistent though, and with Tapping Buttons, they're even stronger
So there could be more NA teams making it to the pool stage, you think?
Possibly!
It has happened before where only 2 EU teams and no ANZ team
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Any news on what Barcode has been up to recently? Was he ever dropped by Native gaming?
For the embed, PIPA looking for an ORG
https://x.com/KronosZer/status/1900244042379579799
no news
Shame.
Last update I think was this:
https://x.com/BarcodeAK/status/1862327827288531424
Do want to repeat, still a restricted F/A (more details in dms in terms of that) and visa situation is extremely manageable :)
A note on @BarcodeAK - we came incredibly close to getting him on board; terms were no issue but too many hurdles & not enough time to make it work sadly
love you for joining into the bait buddy can’t wait to see you rock out next season ❤️
April 18-20 Arlington Major $250,0000 hosted by OpTic info:
Blog:
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/optic-major
**Tickets $50: **
Tickets: https://www.tixr.com/groups/esa/events/hcs-major-arlington-2025-hosted-by-optic-133801
No VIP
Team Passes $250
Register: https://www.start.gg/tournament/hcs-major-arlington-2025/details
Event Schedule:
https://x.com/HCS/status/1910412909517361588
https://x.com/HCS/status/1910873405815218589
Location:
1200 Ballpark Way, Arlington, TX
Format:
Qualifiers > Open Bracket > 16 Team Pool Play > 12 Team Champ Bracket
Qualifiers for Pools:
NA Top 8 from Online Qualifier
NA Top remaining 2 in points
EU Top 1 from Online Qualifier
EU Top remaining 1 in points
Open Bracket top 4
Travel Coverage for Open:
1 team from each region in top points after Qualifier or Online Open.
(NA, EU, MX, ANZ)
Pool Play + Champ Bracket Maps/Modes:
https://x.com/HCS/status/1909715720365297682
Top 4 from this tournament will lock into Dreamhack Pools.
FFA $5,000:
Infinite - Top 8 get prizing
Side Tournaments $10,000
Infinite 1v1 Showdown - $5,000
H3 2v2 - $1,000
H5 2v2 - $1,000
Infinite 2v2 - $1,500
H3 4v4 - $1,500
https://x.com/HCS/status/1907570287480287632
Where to watch:
https://www.twitch.tv/halo
https://www.twitch.tv/hcs
https://www.twitch.tv/hcs_Red
https://www.twitch.tv/hcs_Blue
Co-streams: LVT Halo
https://x.com/LVTHalo/status/1911815259943506373
Talent
https://x.com/HCS/status/1912303526891659372
Drops
https://x.com/HCS/status/1911919202187022734
Seeding (Unofficial)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YQpTTjivt2UHhMprZTUPlMNDoWSVcZJ7TIhONmaNecA/edit?gid=1096584409#gid=1096584409
Rules:
HCS: https://wpassets.halowaypoint.com/wp-content/2025/01/HCS_2025_Program_Handbook_v2.5.2.docx.pdf
Event Specific:
https://wpassets.halowaypoint.com/wp-content/2025/03/HCS-Arlington-2025-Ruleset.pdf
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Looking for team of 2 for hcs alrlighton Texas, Saturday March 15-16
uh, arlington is in April FYI?
or do you mean for both?
For both
You should check out Clutch Academy, might find people there
Okay thank you
Starting in less than an hour!
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I’ve always said something has to be off with Suspector because he is sooo good and hasn’t gotten onto a legit team really. At least not stayed on it. This video is a little eye opening. Saying his play calling was perfect and his teammates didn’t listen and that’s why they lost game five against SSG and SR. Not a good look IMO.
I didn't watch
Reading what you said though, keep in mind - this is his perspective
True. I’m sure it’s worse than what he is saying.
Side note, @somber swift was just mentioned by Tooles on stream. 😂
Oh really?
Lol, I wonder if it was about seeding? Haha
Was about roster lock. Said hopefully they can get a rules expert in like Ashaman.
Oh!
Well they are probably well past that discussion now, but I do know the answer
Yea probably.
ANZ week 3 is live now from Scoob's POV https://www.twitch.tv/scoobmeister
NA live:
https://www.twitch.tv/lvthalo
EU live:
https://www.twitch.tv/europeanhalo
Chat, Charlie is watch partying the grand finals rn 🥲
TSM didn't make top8?
nope, struggling
knocked out by ryanoob's squad
these first few tournaments were just a taste of what is to come and i can't wait for lan. I expected Shopify to be good, i thought they could give Optic a run for their money and potentially beat them but what we've seen is they're the team to beat. They're just gross at the game, it felt like they were playing with Optic in grand finals.
when i saw the maps and modes i thought they could reset the bracket but i wasn't expecting them to be so dominant in both series
that koth game on Solitude was emblematic for me, they played time when up 2-1 with a minute left on the clock and Optic saved themselves at 0 seconds, but even with that plan failing and Optic already getting time on the next hill they were able to take control of it and win without much issues
I'm definitely voting for them on the first LAN, but I'm waiting to see how they perform on LAN. I don't remember seeing a lot from lastshot on LAN.
I'm excited for the first LAN
Seedings updated
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YQpTTjivt2UHhMprZTUPlMNDoWSVcZJ7TIhONmaNecA/edit?usp=drivesdk
Is there a benefit to being 1st vs 2nd seed?
You play lower seeded opponents
How low?
Let's say there are 48 teams.
1st seed plays against the 48th, second against the 47th.
But really where it matters is how the bracket continues to unfold, as the higher seed continues on a path of playing the lower seeded winners throughout.
It's all about how the bracket gets structured
Jesus 1st seed vs 48 seed would be awful tbh. I'm sure the seeding mostly takes pmay at LANs? And for online gives higher seeded teams a bye.
For onlines it works how I mentioned it.
There's only a bye if the # of teams isn't a beautiful number that is like a multiple of 8 or whatever
For POOL Play at LANs, the seeding is determined by:
-placements at prior LAN (if applicable)
-previous qualifiers
-points
-open bracket at LAN
For open bracket at LANs, (meaning those that didn't pre qualify for pools) seeding is determined by points, and subtly by region for the top 1 team per region
Thanks GOAT!
only happens when its the online opens
'1st' in LAN open bracket still happens, but yeah, that's not OPTIC or whoever, since they're already in pools.
For anyone wondering,
Last year first tournament was seeded like this:
https://x.com/AshamanND/status/1901762280867651839?t=XR-mcJdqG4OLRcnvzxuGYA&s=19
Best player on optic Is?....
Renegade
good choice def
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Hard to say they all have their small niche.
Best in a 1v1 could be any of them besides formal( he is good but the other 3 do things differently). Renegade plays cover and has very good right stick aim.
Bound is aggressive and mixes things up but also has good right stick aim.
Lqgend uses the map to his advantage. He hits curb slide shots all the time or uses more mechanics in his fight.
Id almost say lqgend is better in 1s but they are all good in their own way.
When it comes to down to it all 4 are arguably in the top 10. Longer range I'm giving it to formal.
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I swear to God if we go into this weekend's qualifier with Faze not having announced their team yet...
Same
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@RichieHeinz @EliTheNinja @SalaciousSniper @HCS So now:
1 NA Qual (1)
2 NA Qual (2)
3 NA Qual (3)
4 NA Qual (4)
5 NA Qual (5)
6 NA Qual (6)
7 EU Qual (1)
8 NA Qual (7)
9 NA Qual (8)
10 NA Points (1)
11 EU Points (1)
12 NA Points (2)
13-16 open bracket
9-11 change up a bit.
Side tournaments!
When HCS Coatings ?
i think Tashi said they're coming during an interview on LVT but i don't think there's an estimated time of arrival, hopefully before the Kaysan event
Likely not until split 2
Think FAZE will delay drop their HCS coating? Like their roster announcement?
nah, whenever the coatings are ready from Halo Studios, they'll all drop at the same time
They finally did the thing:
https://x.com/FaZeEsports/status/1902797397757137248
Bedur isn’t their actual name?!?!?
Which team was he on again?
The top MX team, ETHR
Who replaced him?
Traded for tapping right?
If so i actually see this team doing pretty good tapping was lowkey very good.
No, leuor
Tapping has been in MX all year so far
Oh really
Yep!
I was about to say when I saw the roster Leuor definitely wasn’t on that team before. Good for him. Hopefully they win this weekend and get the paid travel and locked in with that roster.
ANZ qualifier finals on now:
https://www.twitch.tv/scoobmeister
sR optic most entertaining series ive seen in a min ngl
I think we never had 2 teams battling it out like Shopify and Optic this year. Then again it's online so we need to see how it transfers over to lan but i don't think it will be much different. (even though Shopify is always playing on higher ping on average against Optic)
I think this qualifier not only cemented Shopify and Optic as the top 2 teams but also Faze and SSG as 3rd and 4th best teams. I feel the players on Faze are so naturally low profile so people tend to underestimate them, but if you look at their Halo Infinite stats they are all really really good and play very well together. I'm a bit disappointed in SSG (i'm pretty much rooting for all of these teams to do well) because i expected them to be closer to Optic and Shopify after almost 2 months of practice
SSG seemed uncomfortable
Something is clearly not clicking right now. In the optic series lucid was going off but eco and SB couldnt quite get it going. By the end of the series eco picked it up but Lucid couldnt keep up the slaying into the the last game.
SSG is a straight LAN team lol. Those guys had the best stats each LAN
I'm curious of pool C. FAZE vs tsm. I'd almost say pool A is the hardest pool or pool D if COL gets it together.
I'm curious of pool C. FAZE vs tsm. I'd almost say pool A is the hardest pool or pool D if COL gets it together.
Super early prediction. Svspector comes back in May after point delay like he says.
Im guessing he joins COL or LG. Depending on salary maybe C9
I’m worried that you can’t have SB and Eco on the same team. That they need one more great slayer. It doesn’t seem to be working in terms of the Top4. They could be better on LAN but I don’t see them getting higher than 3rd at the moment.
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Reversal perfy potentially : envy × native ?
Or pipaa
Probably reversal perfy
Yikes pool D is brutal
Same with C
Are we sold on how good Luminosity is yet? I think online is a good indicator or what’s to come but they are the one team I question the results of.
I personally think Pool A is the toughest.
Yeah pool A is pretty nutty too. I think that Luminisity team is going to do really good and that team is going to get poached more than likely. Even top 8 for those players would be huge. But in terms of performance, I think they'll show up. Im questioning TD more than anyone and I hope im wrong, but I think theyre going to under perform. Lethul is one my favorite players but theyve been struggling lately. C9 is the real deal though, but SR wont have any issues.
C9 is the most underrated team right now. They are doing things for sure. As for TD, they are probably the widest range as the most polarizing team. Could get Top6 or Top16.
What are the do and do nots at a LAN?
What should someone bring to be prepared?
What are some things people should know?
What are some things people shouldn't do?
Ashaman can probably say it better than me. Biggest thing for me is normal hygiene stuff. That’s the big issue at each event. Also a portable charger for your phone is huge if you have one.
Faze kaysan showdown , do we have any news about this ? No ads, nothing, it's on 29th march, will be a flop probably
Why do you think it'll be a flop?
It's mentioned in the roadmap
I imagine we'll see some tweets and other social media posts tomorrow and Friday from various sources promoting it
Kaysan has a large personal following, it likely won't need a massive advertising campaign to be well watched
His personal twitch has 340K followers.
50K is wild for this
and just promoting 2 days before
Wild as in a lot of $?
Don't get me wrong, more advertisement is probably never a bad thing.
But I wouldn't sound the alarm quite yet.
For whatever reason, FaZe announces things last minute all the time.
I guess they think it's effective.
Too much, and they should do more advertisement
I don't think you would get the players out for less $
Dream hack will only be 150k for 16 teams
Do you know the distribution?
Also, it gives HCS points which is important
For everyone's reference:
https://x.com/HCS/status/1904941858905784764?t=eeBBWiuJsM96oxPmrRf3oQ&s=19
Would you argue that the teams invited to Kaysan are also very likely to place top 4 potentially at Dreamhack?
These are my absolute guesses at what the breakdown would be
I can't see any of the teams travelling to an invitational LAN for less than a $5k guarantee, when Dreamhack top 4 gets them $12k
But yeah, more advertisement wouldn't hurt
Try to introduce yourself with your screen name and irl name (if comfortable)
You’ll always be Ashaman. 😂
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So it's 8 team pools, 6 team champ bracket.
48 team open bracket.
Top 2 from Arlington lock pools.
Top 1 from each of NA and EU qualifiers lock pools (2).
Top 1 from each of NA and EU points get pools (2).
Top 2 from open bracket get into pools.
Bottom 2 from pools are eliminated.
Seems odd format for a 3 day event.
I hope with this format, the Open Bracket is more than just Friday. Hope they are more featured into Saturday morning.
The open bracket will have some VERY good teams in it. For NA, looks like everyone outside of the Top4 will be an Open Bracket team. Only makes sense to have Friday dedicated to it and Saturday morning too before Pools start Saturday mid day.
Don't hold your breath
lol true. Probably not enough room for side stations and everything will be main stage.
Yeah, it sounds like space is the main issue
Too many other things going on. I know the formst sucks, but its a dreamhack event, not a major. Lower your expectations for sure. Experience the whole event, not a sliver.
People have a hard time grasping this lol
But even still, 6 team champ bracket sounds silly
I don't see a reason it couldn't be 8
Yeah it is super silly. Part of me thinks there is a time constraint as well as space
Time isn't likely the main issue, it's still a 3 day event.
My money is on space.
@runic lodge they finally did it!
https://x.com/kaysan/status/1905312572758163579?t=58IrfsshuEqzQdx0UCdPbg&s=19
I think they can.
They changed one of the worlds formats after it was announced.
But I'm not sure they will.
not sure, and the tickets are already on sale
but the fomrat is wild: 6 teams champ brackets, and 2 teams in elimination bracket directly
i agree
and we all know, that it will be shopify, faze, optic, ssg in winner bracket. So for the elimination bracket team it will be difficult, no second chance
or maybe nemesis will beat one of this top 4 team in pool (like faze or ssg), to get in winner brackets
it's a toss up, really
What time does the event start and end at?
We don't know yet for those details
Dang
I imagine space for sure being a construct but I feel like they do have an issue for time. I remember someone saying the tournaments went by fast and started later and ended earlier.
all the recent majors have been 64 team open bracket, and 4 pools of 4 teams, with at least 12 team champ bracket.
Across 3 days
we still have 3 days, but now only 48 team open bracket, 2 pools of 4 teams, and 6 team champ bracket.
if floor space was the issue, fine - but it doesn't make sense why champ bracket would be cut down - time is the same and we've got significantly less teams anyway
here's the outlining paramaters overall:
Weird then
Suspector's choice to sit out split 1 isn't looking so bad right now, eh?
Haha I mentioned that this morning to my bro. Was like he might have seen the writing on the wall with it being a DH event and knew it would be smaller.
After Dreamhack
^ is pinned
One Major and DH. Two big events. 🤷🏻♂️
I mean is dreamhack really that big?
it gives $150K and lots of HCS points (compared to onlines)
Split 2 starts in June
My point being, Suspector decided to sit out Split 1, and feels he can earn enough points in split 2 after the first split's decay of 75% and still make worlds on a decent team.
now, given that the format of Dreamhack is so strange, it makes it even less relevant for him to miss it, points wise.
He made this choice before full details of Dreamhack were known
@somber swift do you have the ranking of all NA and EU team on the open
For Arlington?
Here's what I got
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YQpTTjivt2UHhMprZTUPlMNDoWSVcZJ7TIhONmaNecA/edit?usp=drivesdk
Based on the last Faceit tournaments in each region
I also have a tab specifically for Arlington, based on teams that have signed up so far.
More will soon.
thx
who's the team with travell coverage in NA ?
why is not ascend baseline with travel coverage ?
Kraken
they tied for points with Kraken.
I'm not 100% sure on what the tiebreaker is, but I assume it has something to do with Kraken making it further in the Qualifier online than AB did (even though they ended up with the same amount of points after it all)
Anyone who has attended HCS Worlds, how much $ did you typically spend for the trip to Seattle? My buddy & I wanted to go n we were wondering about a rough estimate for 2 people once ur in Seattle
How much money should one bring for merch?
Depends if you book a place with a kitchen or not.
Eating out gets a bit expensive
But if you can make yourself breakfast,and a late dinner every day it saves a lot
Just buying lunch out
Most booths accept card, FYI
Oooh
It is pricey. Assuming there is a flight and then hotels in Seattle are on the more expensive side. Sharing a room with your buddy is helpful some though. Besides that it’s all eating out. Venue food is not bad but not cheap either.
Kaysan event today! 
Can't wait to see the S&D game mode and also Lucid, Renegade, Legend and Stellur vs Formal, Frosty, Last Shot, Trippy, these teams are insane 🤣
as much as i'm rooting for Trippy and Last Shot i think the first team is gonna be hard to stop, 3 mvps plus Renegade that was always in the conversation, i guess we'll see, can't wait
Kaysan LAN live now:
https://www.twitch.tv/kaysan
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There's a new charm drop
Still live going on but I want the drops!
Let it sit for 2 hours with no sound and audio before I get the drop!
The budget menu is not very user friendly in the new mode
Drops obtained!
Nice
The Kaysan event was great, year 4 of Halo Infinite is shaping up to be the best one yet. Optic and SR are so fun to watch. Gotta say i wasn't impressed from what we saw of the S&D game mode, i feel that in a mode like that movement needs to be tuned down as well as the time to kill. Also the power up for competitive i don't think it should be guns, just equipment
i feel that the mode should be more tactical but with pro players you see people g-sliding around getting easy kills with bulldog or whatever 🤣
Guessing no new season skins?
The season hasn't started yet iirc
It has started
Tashi said on his last interview that the skins will be delayed until later in the year.
Which is disappointing
My guess is split 2
Gotcha! I must have missed that part of the interview, if that was the one where he was giving tje overview of the season and announcing the new partnered teams
Speaking of the grand finals controversy, it's the same thing that happens in the CDL and it's obviously unfair that Optic didn't get any advantage but i'm not a huge fan of the bracket reset as many people were asking. I think it punishes the team coming from losers way too much, especially if that team didn't lose to the team already in grand finals. Even for HCS i'd prefer a single best of 9 series with the advantage for the team that won winners finals being maps and modes vetoing and choosing on which side to start. Like for example in grand finals they didn't play oddball at all and Optic is arguably the best oddball team, if they could at least choose that it would've been more fair
Also the matchups, to avoid the team already in grand finals to wait for hours before playing again, should always be winners final, losers final and then grand finals
It was more recent than that I think?
A grand finals reset is only fair to the team that hasn’t lost yet. It’s a double elimination bracket and they haven’t lost. The team from losers has, regardless of who they have lost to. I do agree that it is a little anticlimactic but it’s the only fair way to do a double elimination bracket.
It's how HCS typically does tournaments.
But there can be other ways.
The winners team should at least be given some advantage. If it's not the benefit of a bracket reset, it really should be something else.
But also, this was just a side tournament with a small ish amount of "free money" for those players.
Not a lot at stake