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somber swift
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Our team has been focusing on making sure that our SLC Halo event is a unique and memorable experience for everyone.

To the pros and fans who plan on attending or those watching the broadcast. What can we do to make this experience the best for you?

All suggestions welcome,…

noble field
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100% but seeding does help. Last event for example Quadrant go 3rd in pool and had a harder road to the Top4 than Sentinels, which got 2nd in the Pool. Could be dumb luck but it is true. Open bracket this is even more true.

somber swift
somber swift
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they SHOWED UP

tall mural
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NOOOOOOOOOO

candid badger
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Bruhhhh

haughty talon
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That’s tough

somber swift
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whelp - I guess he's not coming back to the USA

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And I think some people got that inside info at Arlington and have known since then

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Aleks' tweet seems to imply he thinks he'll be able to get entry into the US again without much issue - while N8V's seems to imply they don't have that same confidence.
(I won't link it, because he curses in it)

quiet prairie
candid badger
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Think pros will move to usa

somber swift
quiet prairie
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No EU scene from HCs is the reason. am I surprised ? not at all... Split 2 is only qualifier :/

tall mural
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hcs instability go brr

somber swift
somber swift
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Everything keeps getting downgraded and cut

tall mural
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ah yeah

quiet prairie
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ANZ might be the one getting cut.
MX possible
EU there is going to be at least 1 team I think

somber swift
somber swift
somber swift
quiet prairie
quiet prairie
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Even their Grassroots got dormant in ANZ...
That's not the case in MX and EU

somber swift
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(and therefore no support for travel etc.)

quiet prairie
somber swift
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I guess it all depends on if MS gives them another similar budget or not

candid badger
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How can 343 improve hcs next season? I know a lot of it will be money issues, but let's say they have the same budget. How can they spread the budget to improve hcs?

quiet prairie
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The fact that there is still question in the community if there is going to be a season 6/7/8/9 too....

somber swift
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Thanks Merty

quiet prairie
candid badger
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Would an EU lan help? How can we improve the the hcs in mx and ANZ?

quiet prairie
candid badger
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Idk I'm pretty certain an eu lan would help. And let's say quad hosts it. Instead of having 3 Texas majors, have 1 of them be in eu? I would love to say hold a lan in mx or anz but I don't foresee that ever happening with how hcs is there. EU has a chance though.

quiet prairie
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If HCS and Microsoft doesn't do any agressive marketing and networking, an EU LAN is useless....

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(and that mean putting more money...)

candid badger
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Money is the biggest issue which sucks. However, they could at a bare minimum acknowledge the issues bring them to light and say they are trying instead of promising.

quiet prairie
somber swift
quiet prairie
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🫡

tall mural
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where is juziro nowadays

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last I saw was when he was with CoL now idk

somber swift
somber swift
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He hasn't played since probably Charlotte?

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F/A. Time to break the top 8 curse, my skill ceiling when im playing the game everyday is limitless. Im a winning player and always looking at the bigger picture when it comes to playing winning halo. Serious inquiries only let me show a team what I can bring to the table 🤝🏻 HMU

tall mural
somber swift
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maybe native white

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Navi tournament is starting to get some names:

somber swift
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ghost ping?

quiet prairie
tall mural
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🤔🤔🤔

somber swift
cold kayak
still socket
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Is the [HCS] ATHLON helmet part of a upcoming twitch drop?

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Because it’s the only helmet that we never got during season 3

somber swift
still socket
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Ok thanks

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My guess is we’ll get another set of drops for the ssg event

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The reason why I say that because I believe major was the death hex coating, ember hex was dream hack and recently optic was covenant frontline coating

somber swift
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You are correct

noble field
somber swift
# noble field Now that I think about it, SQ did say they wanted to sign a team to a four or fi...

Few things to put out there as a learning esports org owner alongside an update:

  • the @TeamStatusQuo Halo roster contract is ending soon & I want to wish the sQuad the best of luck. If they don't find another option, they may still represent sQ moving forward.
  • I'm very proud…
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still socket
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I’m guessing plaza and QT will be in the map rotation during the ssg event next month

somber swift
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QT yes, dunno about Plaza

abstract herald
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Finally I’m back

noble field
# somber swift QT yes, dunno about Plaza

Correct we don’t know but I would be shocked if it isn’t. Partly because we need more maps but also partly because he has QT and I think they want to push that. Aquarius and Argyle only get played so often.

quiet prairie
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Solitude is going to be in the rotation yes. It was announced multiple time by HCS and Tashi on twitter and waypoint

still socket
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I wish 343 bring back Catalyst for HCS because that’s a fun map

noble field
still socket
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I wish they add the QT on recharge as a temporary power equipment until the sword and hammer get fix

noble field
still socket
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Who else feels like the Threat Seeker will be amazing on recharge

abstract herald
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I think the time came to invest outside of NA

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And I hope HCS isn’t removing our 2 Open Bracket slots in 2024

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Because it will only kill the scene even more

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We need Regional LANs to be back in 2024, that’s a priority

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2nd priority would be to bring back the EU 6 slots to NA Majors (2 in Pools for Quadrant and NAVI and 4 in Open Bracket), like year1

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ANZ Halo already died because of bad decisions, MX and EU won’t survive 2024 if changes aren’t made

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( + several pro players decided to leave the game, and they’re not coming back… I think more to announce is coming in the next weeks on Twitter)

quiet prairie
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Vaktor, you really don't know Microsoft, Xbox and 343 Policy on regionalisation...

torpid beacon
abstract herald
torpid beacon
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Pros are leaving now since they hate playing halo Infinite

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To have a good Esports you need a good game

abstract herald
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HCS decisions are

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Jlingz specified it very clearly in the tweet

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HCS abandoned EU

torpid beacon
# abstract herald Game isn’t the problem

The better the game the more viewers the halo streams get and people attending events which generates more money 🤑💰. And it shows people are interested in it. So orgs are more likely to invest. Creating a good Esports. But that doesn't happen when 98% of the playerbase leaves the game and viewership plummets just like halo Infinite did

abstract herald
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And servers are awful

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And Infinite launch has been awful

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But JLINGZ didn’t leave bc of the game

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Same for Aw0babobs

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Same for Acend and Vexed before

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And Same for BLVKHVND

torpid beacon
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@abstract herald It's a sad fact that Halo Infinite failed to deliver

abstract herald
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Ik exactly why the org left

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That’s why I’ve been asking 2 measures which are priorities rn to change

candid badger
quiet prairie
abstract herald
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  • also NAVI not reaching top7/8 at Arlington (which made Jlingz not qualified to SLC)
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But they wouldn’t have left, if we had an EU Lan

candid badger
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So an EU lan will fix everything?

tall mural
quiet prairie
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True but 343 doesn't have any network and doesn't how to use it

tall mural
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Ascending Baseline made a roster move

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Now Breakingshot, Posey, Artic, and SuperCC

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Envore and Juziro still free agents ☹️

somber swift
abstract herald
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Priority should be to bring back Regional LANs (and conserve those 3 Majors + 2 Global Invitationals)

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  • bring back EU 6 slots (2 pools + 4 OB)
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That’s the priority

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But if we’re talking of what need to change :

  • bring back Pro Series (and conserve Open Series and 4K Series)
  • bring back HCS Online Supers
  • bring more visibility and players
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Actually Visibility and Pro Series are the most important thing to fix after the 2 priorities I told just before

tall mural
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<-> Breakingshot from Proton

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Interesting to see how it’ll play out. Breakingshot has talent

somber swift
tall mural
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They still have Common and Haines I think? Not 100% on that

somber swift
gloomy bridge
noble field
noble field
abstract herald
tall mural
arctic quiver
abstract herald
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but not publicly

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I'm sure you can understand that sharing these kind of information publicly isn't professional, and isn't good for what I'm working on

somber swift
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The point is - it's not a positive social look to state something is a fact in a public forum if you are unable to substantiate it.
Just frame it differently 🙂

abstract herald
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but I won't justify why, because you already know what it'd cause on what I am doing

somber swift
abstract herald
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btw you should see some roster changes in EU in the next days/weeks

somber swift
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I look forward to it!

arctic quiver
# abstract herald but not publicly

Then I'll repeat again. Do not make claims or state facts on this server if you are unable to back them up. You won't be warned about this again

abstract herald
arctic quiver
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Please turn off the ping/tag when replying

abstract herald
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my bad, you're right, sorry

arctic quiver
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If you wish to discuss it further, DM @proud summit

abstract herald
somber swift
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Sentinels and Optic are adopting a 'take no chances' approach

I don't think they need to register for this.

noble field
somber swift
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G1 also signed up - they needed to though

noble field
somber swift
abstract herald
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NAVI dropping Snakey and signing Glory (no need to tweet about it, before NAVI announcing it officially)

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  • there's also some roster changes in Orgless but won't talk about it, you know why
abstract herald
somber swift
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any word on what the other 3 players are doing yet?
Still going to compete?

abstract herald
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I can only tell Lumizur/Syaiir is stopping undefinitely (bc of the reasons I mentionned)

abstract herald
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won't talk about the others bc, some things are coming

abstract herald
tall mural
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nice

somber swift
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so that's the last time this squad will play together?

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the first Navi summer series?

abstract herald
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yes

somber swift
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quadrant obviously isn't changing

abstract herald
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obviously not

somber swift
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sounds like rather than having 4 top EU teams, it might consolidate to only 3 high level teams?

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navi clearly needed to do something to catch up

abstract herald
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nah we still can get 4 EU teams

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but it'll depend on the offers I get/find

somber swift
abstract herald
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as I explained to you, it's pretty hard to find orgs

abstract herald
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i'm talking of the EU top3 and 4

somber swift
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quadrant stays
Navi poaches someone from orgless, unkown for remaining players
Jlingz up in the air

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would barcode seriously consider EU?

abstract herald
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I don't think he will

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rosters are already locked for the top4

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and Barcode isn't part of it

somber swift
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I guess we'll see in a couple of days for them

abstract herald
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if things go well, we might have something tomorrow

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I really hope to

somber swift
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no one from international has signed up for faceit yet for this weekend, only NA

abstract herald
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EU will sign up in few days

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we should get something like 16 teams

somber swift
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I wonder if the recent announcement about 'playoffs' for Worlds at Ft Worth for MX and ANZ are making those top teams really consider their roster options.

somber swift
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qualification for Worlds for ANZ and MX won't matter for points.

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it will only matter about who is the best team in a head to head at Ft Worth

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so those regions just need to focus on the potential of winning that head to head, and past points earned mean 0.

abstract herald
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we'll see

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What I'm concerned about right now, is the difficulties to bring new orgs (bc of the reasons I mentionned) and the fear of remaining orgs to leave

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DivineMind, 95X, MindFreak won't stay for ever in ANZ

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6K won't stay for ever in MX

somber swift
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I honestly think that the 'best' teams in MX and ANZ area actually very close to each other in skill - it's just been that seeding issue before where 1 makes it to pools.
Now for MZ and ANZ the points won't matter for worlds - they just need to beat their regional opponent at ft worth in a special playoff.
I think it's REALLY exciting.

abstract herald
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if LG is playing, LG will win

somber swift
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6K has shown that they can beat them though

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and bittersweet, mindfreak and divine mind aren't that far apart.

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I don't know about 95x - probably not a contender

abstract herald
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6K isn't far from LG

somber swift
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totally

abstract herald
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but ANZ teams are too far from them right now

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but there're still 3 months before Worlds

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things can completely change

somber swift
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ANZ teams need to only compete against other ANZ teams, not against MX

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(for worlds spot)

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top 2 teams in points from MX will play each other.

Top 2 teams in points from ANZ will play each other. And since there are 3 teams near the top, that'll be interesting.

abstract herald
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That's sad, but that's what I talked about for months

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This actual circuit made orgs and players to leave

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We went from 8 EU Pro Teams in year 1 to 2 EU Pro Teams right now

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from 128+ teams at first HCS cups to 16 teams right now

somber swift
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🙁

noble field
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Side plot twist, Boam signed up for the qualifier with N8V White. So Mikwen, Kuhlect, Tapping Buttons, and Boam.

somber swift
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I had a feeling this was going to happen, and I think I wrote it earlier, not sure where I did though

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I wonder if that means Druk is ready to go?

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Oh wait, wow

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So red is looking for a new 4th?

noble field
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Correct. Will be interesting to who they have in mind. I kinda like Karmea there for a young fast paced slayer.

somber swift
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Could be!
I guess we'll know shortly.
I wonder if they lose their pool spot?

tall mural
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native gaming is in shambles 😦

noble field
noble field
somber swift
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A bit of a shake up though for sure

somber swift
tall mural
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feels bad for druk; that native team hasn’t had a chance to show what they’re really capable of since worlds last year

tall mural
somber swift
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Ah

tall mural
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Suspector is really underrated ppl forget he had the #3 k/d ratio at worlds with eunited

noble field
# somber swift Where did he play in Arlington?

Yea Incognito was Suspector, Karmea, Sab, Mortally. Really underperformed. Not sure they were really in it mentally. Should’ve been a good team but was more of “the four guys that didn’t get picked up but should’ve.”

noble field
candid badger
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Big swish and sus fan. With elis help this team could place well just have to grind it out

torpid beacon
somber swift
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I meant what team, but that was answered

somber swift
somber swift
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Lol

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It is also possible that some players may have in the past chosen to obtain a tourist visa to enter the USA, and if the gov finds out they actually played and earned $, that really makes it hard to get a proper visa in the future.

quiet prairie
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Maybe, but it should'nt block anything. its just 1990' US laws 🙂

somber swift
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If you enter a country under false pretenses, and they find out later, it's gonna be real hard to get allowed back in.
Not saying this occurred, but if it did - it would explain their difficulty.

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also, looks like native red will get to keep their spot at SLC

somber swift
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placing top 12 means they actually earned it.
Top 16 is just a gift from being 'top 2' in their own region.

abstract herald
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but they would reach top13/16 by open bracket if they weren't top2 EU

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With Glory it should be better

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new Orgless roster will probably be better too

quiet prairie
somber swift
somber swift
somber swift
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my point was - if you enter the USA on a tourist VISA, but you are actually earning money and they find out - that's not good.
No matter how long it is.

abstract herald
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  • when we see C9 and COL runs in OB, NAVI can reach it too
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but anyways we'll see what they'll do with the new roster

somber swift
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top 16 shouldn't be their goal regardless - I'm hoping they break the top 12 🙂

abstract herald
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they should have already break top7/8

somber swift
noble field
abstract herald
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not they will

abstract herald
somber swift
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Acid and Strikey previously placed on 6K

Drift and noblc were on Luminosity

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I wonder what happens to 6K the org now?

tall mural
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🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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My little ponys just dipped?

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Mqgico Bullet Atzo Sepstars Leours and the odd ones out here

somber swift
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We'll see what happens for MX

somber swift
tall mural
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Chat is saying it’s supposedly suppressed

somber swift
tall mural
somber swift
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i think you're rght

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unfortunately, COL hasn't updated their website in awhile

somber swift
tall mural
somber swift
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Did we lose this channel?
Did the tweetshift stop working?

arctic quiver
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Another case of blame Elon

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We set it up and the very next day there were breaking changes to the API

somber swift
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Oh man, what a mess that app is becoming

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Looks like it hasn't worked in my server since the 29th, either.
Go figure

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At least I can still get the pushes from this server's announcements

candid badger
somber swift
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I always get those names mixed up, tbh

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I'm probably mixed up

candid badger
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Ok

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And rip col if suppressed signed lol

somber swift
astral linden
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oops wrong channel

quiet prairie
abstract herald
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3x250,000 = 750,000
3x125,000 = 375,000
100,000 + 75,000 + 50,000 + 25,000 = 250,000
75,000 + 50,000 + 25,000 + 15,000 = 165,000
1,000,000
=$2,540,000 Circuit (without HCS Opens, 4K and FFA)

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(Reminder : actual circuit is $2,500,000)

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So it wouldn’t be that much expensive in term of prize pools

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(But I think it would be more expensive in term of lan organisations, staff, etc…)

somber swift
abstract herald
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Yeah my bad, I still need to adapt to the non replying thing

merry mortar
abstract herald
tall mural
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no matter what the game is unstable

abstract herald
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For big viewership

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That’s why it’s been created initially

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And orgs are looking for big viewerships

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That’s why I had asked about the return of HCS casted Pro Series or of Online Supers

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Bc it’s highly important

somber swift
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Too many cheaters to allow for online supers

quiet prairie
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in that case we just dont play at all online....

abstract herald
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I need to think about turning it off

somber swift
abstract herald
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But online cups with big viewership has been something asked very often by orgs

somber swift
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No online supers until cheating is more under control

abstract herald
abstract herald
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The goal is to bring viewership

somber swift
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players don't want to play in online supers.
If they are vocal enough about that, the viewership will stay away, making the supers not worthwhile

abstract herald
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And to have the best orgs (like Optic, SSG, Faze,…) competing in it

abstract herald
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Idk where you’ve seen players complaining about Online Supers

quiet prairie
abstract herald
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But never seen it.

in Europe, people were very happy to play in a 16-teams pool play then champ bracket and earn thousands of dollars

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(Tbf they were just happy of the thousands of dollars 😂)

somber swift
quiet prairie
abstract herald
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Anyways we need online cups which can bring viewership

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HCS 2k and 4K dont

somber swift
abstract herald
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(Mainly bc HCS does not stream them and does not communicate enough on them)

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We need some kind of cups streamed by HCS

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Maybe streaming 4K Series could be a start

somber swift
abstract herald
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And we already know all the players

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So it’d be almost impossible to have a cheater without knowing it

quiet prairie
abstract herald
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Something like :
75k NA Online Super
50k EU
25k MX
15k ANZ
Could be great

somber swift
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the debacle of monstcr showed how bad the players' mentality is surrounding cheating right now.
whether or not he was cheating, every type of person suspected him of it, and there was no realy way to prove it one way or the other.
Even APG was suspicious

That's terrible for the scene

abstract herald
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If we ensure there’s no cheater

somber swift
abstract herald
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So each day a new cheat is discovered, it’ll be patched the same day

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And it’ll be very boring for cheaters to download everyday a new cheat

somber swift
somber swift
abstract herald
quiet prairie
abstract herald
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I don’t think HCS has the money to make more LANs (even if I’d like to see more)

quiet prairie
somber swift
abstract herald
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Anyways, there’s 2 priorities to bring new orgs to the game :

  • Regional Circuit (not only HCS Opens 2K and 4K)
  • Regular High Viewership (2K and 4K don’t bring visibility)
abstract herald
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So Regional LANs and/or Online Supers can fix it

somber swift
abstract herald
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But HCS needs to get the budget for it

abstract herald
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Nah this is not a good solution

somber swift
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and yet here we are

abstract herald
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There’re other ways to bring viewership

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Because orgs won’t like that

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But the lack of regional circuit make it very difficult to negotiate with orgs

abstract herald
somber swift
abstract herald
somber swift
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so you mean:
The lack of regional circuit makes it very difficult for players and managers to negotiate with orgs

quiet prairie
abstract herald
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He’s talking of average viewership

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And what he said is right, but it’s not a good solution for orgs

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Everything should be streamed, just need a better communication and marketing to bring viewership

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That’s how everything works

quiet prairie
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Not open bracket

abstract herald
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But for this point I was mainly talking of online cups

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(Bc the orgs, even huge ones, are okay with the actual lan viewership)

abstract herald
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This should be a priority too for LANs

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Like COD is streaming their Challengers LANs

tall mural
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Kinda just gave money away in a seemingly illegitimate tournament cough g1 placing second over c9 cough

quiet prairie
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Now other regions have almost nothing

abstract herald
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they had 5 LANs in NA

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while EU/MX/ANZ had only 1

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  • MX and ANZ Online Supers were only $50k and not 125k
abstract herald
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in EU, teams which placed well at the Online Super, placed well at the Regional Lan

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Acend got 1st at both
Quadrant got 3rd at Online Super and 2nd at Regional Lan
NAVI got 2nd at Online Super and 3rd at Regional Lan
etc....

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btw NA complaining does not matter, because they already have a kind of "Regional Circuit" bc every LAN is NA

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I am mainly talking about EU/MX/ANZ

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no event in those regions

tall mural
abstract herald
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he cheated months after he got dropped on non-HCS online cups (+ it was after HCS 2022 Worlds, during the off-season)

abstract herald
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  • i have been asking for the return of Regional Lans
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but actually HCS doesn't have the money for it

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Online Supers are cheaper to make for HCS

somber swift
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2 anz teams so far, one more is likely (mindfreak) and not sure if bittersweet needs to sing up for this or not

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Lots of NA top squads not taking the chance, and just signing up

somber swift
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so unlikely bittersweet or mindfreak will have changes

abstract herald
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and I think there won't be any ANZ in 2024, HCS will probably announce their departure from ANZ region

somber swift
abstract herald
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the ANZ scene already died

somber swift
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well, there's still at least 4 pro level teams

abstract herald
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  • 4 pro teams is ridiculous
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  • 2 of them are for sure not paid, idk for the 3rd one, but I don't think they are too
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2024 is the year for HCS to comeback

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to make a great comeback

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a huge one

somber swift
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Hope is good.
High expectations aren't good.

Striking a balance there is really important

abstract herald
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let's make a legendary circuit, bring tons of new teams, sponsors, visibility, invest massively :

=> if it works, biggest moove in esports of all time
=> if it does not, let's close Halo Infinite and forget it, it failed

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there's no utility in continuing that way

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let's try a moove, if it works, that's huge, if it fails, let's close the game

somber swift
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everything needs to work together.

HCS can't simply make a big move if the general game isn't ready for it.

abstract herald
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I'll not wait for ever

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the game needs to be ready at 01/01/2024

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if it's not, close it

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a game should be ready at launch

somber swift
candid badger
abstract herald
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idc if the game's ready or not

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LANs are fun and competitive, let's make a huge circuit for 2024

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and invest massively

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more LANs, more Cups, more sponsors, more orgs, more teams, more players, more visibility, pay medias, pay orgs, pay tv channels, pay sponsors, bring visibility to Halo

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and make it the n°1 competitive game of 2024

candid badger
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Gears of War

abstract herald
# somber swift https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

2024 :
Worlds (NA)
3 Majors (NA)
3 Global Invitationals (NA)
12 Regional LANs (3 per region)
12 Online Supers (3 per region)
Weekly Pro Series (1000 HCS Points)
Weekly Open Series (2000 HCS Points)
Monthly 4K Series (with real $4000 prize pool and 4000 HCS Points)
Bi-Weekly FFA Series
Bi-Weekly Double Series

At least 8 new International Orgs
New Sponsors
visibility, viewership and marketing

Worlds : 20 teams
Majors : 24 teams
Global Invitationals : 28 teams
Regional Lans : 16 teams
Online Supers : 16 teams
Pro Series : 16 teams
4K Series : 16 teams

candid badger
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How much does the budget need to increase for this?

abstract herald
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but we're talking of a game supposedly supported by the 2nd biggest society of the World (after Apple)

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so I think they should be able to find a way to fund this

candid badger
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Then why is the hcs budget so low?

abstract herald
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idk I'm not working at 343

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but they need to fix it

candid badger
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If they keep the budget they have, what is one thing they need to do to fix hcs and halo?

quiet prairie
abstract herald
candid badger
abstract herald
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Majors are probably something like 800k/1M of budget

candid badger
candid badger
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Why

abstract herald
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i want more, not reorganisation/trade

candid badger
abstract herald
abstract herald
candid badger
#

Why is that?

abstract herald
somber swift
#

I wonder how year 1&2 of infinite compare to year 1&2 of Halo 5?

candid badger
#

Is there a way to find out?

abstract herald
abstract herald
#

but Infinite year1 was pretty good

abstract herald
#

and then compare it to current circuit

candid badger
#

Bruh don't be that person

abstract herald
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don't be lazy

somber swift
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And maybe having a list of total prizepools etc

tall mural
somber swift
#

I think they have more than 1 team

tall mural
#

sounds like them

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Mexico city flashbacks

candid badger
tall mural
abstract herald
somber swift
abstract herald
somber swift
#

I know that

abstract herald
#

but year1 was 3M + crowdfunding
and year2 is 2.5M without crowdfunding

somber swift
#

not sure why loading responded with that

abstract herald
somber swift
#

me neither.

noble field
somber swift
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meh, that's just his opinion, and that's fine.

I'm just curious if we heard from like 50+ people that followed both, what the consensus would be

abstract herald
abstract herald
#

from people who played in both

tall mural
abstract herald
pure obsidian
#

what was H5 and Halo Infinite HCS peak viewership anyways

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cause all I can find is HCS Peak Viewership is 267k for the 2021 Raleigh Major and then the next 2 years were like 140k but can't find much on Halo 5

noble field
somber swift
#

From the top 8 in Arlington, only Complexity and Native red haven't signed up for this weekend yet
I don't think that's a coincidence

noble field
somber swift
#

that's what I'm hinting 😉

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well, Native red was scrimming yesterday with someone

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probably just sorting out the deal in the back end

noble field
#

Sounded like it might be Supressed, which would explain why Complexity is in flux too. If that happens I hope Karmea gets on Complexity.

somber swift
gloomy bridge
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Imagine if infinite had proper support

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It’d probably be top 10 most played

torpid beacon
#

@vestal wind Hello

abstract herald
tall mural
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I miss best of 7 semifinals and stuff like halo 5

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I just miss halo 5 in general

craggy burrow
#

Just bought tickets to the Finals. Heck yeah, once more with feeling

craggy burrow
merry mortar
#

It's still up there and receives much recognition

tall mural
#

^

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on steam it’s verifiably dead

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imo

craggy burrow
#

Well yeah, PC ports of consol games tend to do that

tall mural
#

I’m rewatching Kansas City rn this hits different

torpid beacon
torpid beacon
gloomy bridge
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Waiting 4 seasons out, far too late

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That said a gud number still play

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200k+

merry mortar
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200k a day????

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buddy 😂

torpid beacon
# gloomy bridge 200k+

200K. We recently got the exact amount of players daily on halo Infinite and that was 15K on Xbox and 3K on PC. So only 18K a day

tall mural
#

200k unique players monthly

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That’s from the same info that loading has

gloomy bridge
#

Or as often as u

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220k monthly is decent

craggy burrow
#

Timezones exist too

quiet prairie
#

Removal : Slayer on Empyrean
Strongholds on Streets
King of the Hill on Streets

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Hope Strongholds on Solitude is going to be as good as Streets, because its so much fun to watch

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"If the first half of the season was any indication, we’re in for a very exciting second half" : heuuu ok

torpid beacon
gloomy bridge
#

U know that right

merry mortar
#

The whole difference in movement and play from both games will make a dramatic difference tho somewhat

gloomy bridge
#

Halo api which ur citing probably

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Also stated 220k + monthly users

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The same post u cite, I’m also citing

abstract herald
#

200k unique monthly = dead game

silent venture
#

monstcr, this guy, ik people are even acting up in rec league of all places

gloomy bridge
winged cradle
still socket
#

So Slayer on Empyrean,
Strongholds on Streets and King of the Hill on Streets got removed for HCS

noble field
#

I was about to post this too. Made room for Solitude Slayer, SH, and KOTH.

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I like this. Would wish for one Streets and one Recharge instead of two Streets, but that is just me.

still socket
noble field
#

Could have kept Slayer Emperyan too and have no maps with four gametypes, but I get it. Emperyan Slayer can be the worst to watch but sometimes it has amazing endings.

noble field
still socket
#

Oh idk why they added that then lol

noble field
#

So four Live Fire, four Recharge, three Solitude, two Streets, two Aquarius, one Emperyan, and one Argyle.

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Definitely could have removed one Live Fire and one Recharge and had one more Streets and Emperyan back. More variety.

still socket
#

Yeah, I want to see if the pro players will use the halo 5 callouts for Solitude

grim forum
#

They need to remove starboard from ranked play it's horrible

still socket
#

How’s it horrible

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You can’t say a map is horrible without giving a reason lol

astral linden
astral linden
still socket
#

Will the Threat Seeker replace the threat sensor in some game modes for HCS

merry mortar
noble field
noble field
velvet bough
#

I actually had my first taste of someone cheating in infinite the other day. This guy was an unranked player playing high diamond and onyx players in ranked arena (first red flag). This guy literally had 20+ kills in the first few mins, I mean the rest of us on his team didn’t even have to help it seemed like. I tried talking to him during the game but had no mic, and I looked him up after the game thinking he was probably a 2000+ onyx in previous season but his gt didn’t exist in halo infinite stats (2nd red flag). By the end of the game, we won 250-17 in strongholds. He nearly had 50 kills and less than 5 deaths. the rest of had maybe 7 or 8 at the most and his accuracy was off the charts 76% (3rd red flag) Plus the game still had tons of time remaining at the end. I still can’t believe it happened I mean I would like to say maybe he was a undercover pro but even then there’s just no way. He was far off from playing a bunch of noobs ha. What y’all think?

still socket
#

I would suggest watching that players recent matches and see if he’s cheating or not

velvet bough
somber swift
#

Official

gloomy bridge
somber swift
#

Yeah he can't get into the USA anymore

gloomy bridge
#

BRO im so mad for him lol

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thats legit tragic asf

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i wonder wut changed

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did he do something sketchy or

abstract herald
#

can't we do the same thing and bring back players

misty pendant
#

What's this Sunday's tourney for? Seeding for the SLC invitational?

quiet prairie
misty pendant
#

gotcha, thanks!

hushed fractal
#

Bruh Ive seen some crazy aimbot

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i literary got shot around a wall by this guy and straight headshotted him with a sniper and it didnt even do damage, and it was well after he had respawned

somber swift
#

So now we're really just waiting on Ace's team?

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And maybe Darkest hour?

somber swift
# somber swift

removing the 7 NA teams that auto qualified for SLC from this, who are the top 12 that will get a bye to the ACTUAL qualifier next week?

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Removing:
Faze
SSG
Optic
Sentinels
Cloud9
Complexity
Native Red

Then 12 more teams will get a bye to next week, I'm guessing:
G1
Rebellion
Native White
Carpe Noctem (old SQ)
Tenacious
SnakedandHeated
Lies?
Derfgang?
Evil?
Gsquad?
and then 2 more still!
That's gonna leave next to nobody playing this weekend, lol.

noble field
#

That’s an odd format. I thought it was just two chances to win a spot and winner from each qualifier got it. Is it just four teams advance to the second qualifier for a mini 16 team qualification tournament?

somber swift
#

SLC is a 16 team tournament
8 teams pre-qualified from the last LAN in Arlington.

#

the remaining 8 teams are made up from:

5 teams from the SLC qualifier (2 NA, 1 each from remaining regions)
3 teams based on points after the qualifier (2 NA, 1 EU)

somber swift
#

The qualifier works as follows:
Top 12 teams in NA in points that sign up for the pre-qualifier this sunday, get pushed to next week.
Remaining teams signed up this week play until top 4 - and then the 16 teams play out next week

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Same format for EU, ANZ, MX, but only 8 team next week (with 6 from this week getting pushed through automatically)

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so.
If we don't get more than 8 teams signed up in the international regions this week, those regions won't even have a tournament at all this sunday

somber swift
quiet prairie
somber swift
#

oh yeah, that's true

#

This weekend (if it plays out as originally written) is gonna have some really 'low tier' teams playing, if at all.

noble field
#

I should sign up. lol

quiet prairie
somber swift
#

And MX

quiet prairie
somber swift
#

It's possible there won't even be 8 teams for NEXT week in those regions!

somber swift
noble field
somber swift
#

won't matter!

tall mural
gloomy bridge
#

so yall think optic can rebound or

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have top teams figured them out

somber swift
somber swift
somber swift
#

Hopefully Neuronical finds the support he needs

noble field
#

That’s crummy. Hope he is good. Got a feeling we will see him back soon enough.

abstract herald
#

MD/Ph.D Student

abstract herald
somber swift
#

he's asking if other top teams have figured out how to counter Optic.

abstract herald
#

every top teams know and learn how to counter specific pos

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not optic specifically

somber swift
#

It would seem that in the second half of year 1, most teams hadn't figured out how to counter Optic properly yet.
Perhaps now they have.

abstract herald
#

you learn how to counter a push, not a team

abstract herald
#

all teams know how to counter

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it's all about mistakes you make in game

#

Acend knew how to play against NA Top teams

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it doesn't mean they won them

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bc they were making mistakes

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every mistake you make has a consequence

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so it's not about countering a team

somber swift
#

ok

#

https://twitter.com/RichieHeinz/status/1679923617453449216
Confirmed that this weekend the top 7 NA pre qualified for SLC, along with the remaining top 12 in points, won't play this Sunday.

Gonna be an interesting tournament.

@AshamanND @MagickMoonshot @Danimalz8 @LVTHalo @Tashi343i @DIV360 @MuggsyLT The top 8 from Arlington are signed up for the pre-qualifier to verify that they have kept 3/4 of their roster and maintain their pool play spot at the global invitational event.

gloomy bridge
abstract herald
#

C9 year1 was already better or almost better than OpTic

gloomy bridge
#

explain that part

abstract herald
#

they had won Raleigh, Anaheim and reseted OpTic in GF Worlds

abstract herald
#

bc they formed the best EU roster ever made, and they got the opportunies to bootcamp in NA

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the only reason why OpTic is not doing good placings is because they loose against Quadrant

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and why Quadrant is winning ? Because they are probably the team which trains the hardest

abstract herald
#

Even if it's hard : https://twitter.com/ZippyDose/status/1679945403297411079
He's saying the truth.

Since 20 months, the game is unplayable for us (Europeans), but completely broken.

20months is way too looooooong... This should be fixed in 1 month max, it should be n°1 priority of the game (content, store, skins, etc... is secondary).
Make the game playable in ranked and in customs/cups/scrims is priority

#

We've been waiting during 20 months

#

and we're still waiting...

#

Idk if I can ping you @tame sandal (Ik we can't for admins), and I hope I don't disturb you : I don't aim to btw 🙂

But that's why I was asking for it in my questions

#

(Btw I'm not Zippy, I wouldn't have said it that hard, but I think he's bored)

tame sandal
#

Tbh, the topic of this Spartan Chatter was about Ranked and not other stuff like networking, I can see why it wasn't brought up past the mention of the Trello board.

Two events ago the same question was posed to Ske7ch and he said someone with better technical skills about the topic such a team engineer would be better suited to talk about it. Maybe it'll happen another time.

abstract herald
#

Thanks for details, I understand better

somber swift
#

The return of Monstcr

still socket
#

I’m glad that catalyst is returning to rank

somber swift
#

(already signed up for this weekend's qualifier)

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in NA

tame sandal
#

That makes me realize

#

How are their chances looking for Worlds? Or Native White's chances since they've got Tapping Buttons?

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Wait...

#

These are all American players 🫢

somber swift
tame sandal
#

So how does N8V White making it to Worlds look?

somber swift
#

If somehow they miss that, they're pretty much guaranteed to be top 2 in points afterwards (which also qualify)

tame sandal
#

I'll buy an extra Mexican flag before Seattle then

#

Hopefully Tapping Buttons will also be there

somber swift
#

oh hang on

tame sandal
somber swift
#

I just assumed it was SLC

tame sandal
#

I do not like the sound of that...

somber swift
#

So, Worlds depends almost entirely on how they perform at Ft. Worth

#

It's possible that N8V White makes it into the top 8 in Ft Worth.
If they don't though, it's HIGHLY unlikely they don't at least come in the next top 4 NA in points.

I think unless they implode in the next 2 events, seeing N8V White at Worlds is likely.

tame sandal
#

I'll be rooting for them on future streams

somber swift
#

(They won't have to play this sunday because of their points)

#

Did you see their current roster?

#

Boam replaced Barcode

tame sandal
#

Do you think that was for the better?

candid badger
somber swift
#

Considering Barcode cannot reliably enter the USA, yes

candid badger
#

But it had to happen

#

The latter is true though.

tame sandal
#

I thought Druk was the one with Visa problems?

Unless I'm talking about another team

somber swift
#

Druk's started sonner though, Barcode's are more recent

#

kinda crazy

candid badger
#

Also on the conversation of optic, most teams know how optic plays, where they rat before a push, where they setup, how they push, etc.

This year if you watch faze and ssg they play scrappy and very unpredictable.

This year if you want to be the top you have to adapt, play very unpredictable, and no mistakes can be made.

A lot of teams work extremely hard.

Look at quad vs sen this last lan.

Sen was dominating. Quad adapted and made moves on their mistakes.

The biggest mistake sen made was not playing for time when they were 3-2 on KOTH live fire. That was the most pivotal moment in the series imo.

somber swift
#

Anyone have any clue what Proton gaming are doing, or Darkest Hour?

still socket
#

Since solitude going to be added to HCS will pro players use the halo 5 call outs

somber swift
#

with a few slight adjustments

still socket
#

Thanks

somber swift
#

Not sure what the casters will do - but I imagine many of them are familiar with the H5 callouts, so will use them too.

#

we finally got Orgless signed up for this weekend

#

kimbo and respectful are different though?

#

this was who they were at Arlington

#

seems like things are shaking up in EU too

#

and then they were this at the last NAVI/EUROPA tournament

noble field
somber swift
#

Maybe they should stop being loose, and start tightening up?

#

😉

somber swift
abstract herald
somber swift
#

You missed my joke

abstract herald
somber swift
#

good thing I'm not american

noble field
abstract herald
#

we need HCS Lan in Europe

#

please

somber swift
somber swift
abstract herald
#

no circuit in Europe for 2024 => remaining orgs and players leaving
+> no new orgs/players

winged cradle
winged cradle
abstract herald
winged cradle
#

jokes are funny. and not insulting.

abstract herald
#

@noble field my friend did i insult you ?

abstract herald
somber swift
noble field
abstract herald
#

when Infinite launched, and I saw +128 teams at first EU cups, I really had hopes about Halo... But now it's already all gone

#

and we're getting no support

#

which led us to 3 teams in EU, 2 teams in ANZ signing to the SSG Qual

abstract herald
somber swift
#

Didn't Luminosity take some of their players?

somber swift
#

Luminosity dropped 2 players and took 2 from 6K

somber swift
abstract herald
#

so let's sum up the situation of this HCS year 2 :

  • VertexESC (ANZ) left
  • JLINGZ Esports (EU) left
  • Aw0babobs (EU) left
  • Several Pro Players are steping away from comp
#

and more orgs and players will left HCS after Worlds

somber swift
#

The game is getting a lot better every update.

#

it's entirely possible to fix the competitive cicuit, if the money gets invested.

The game feels better and better

abstract herald
#
  • No LAN in EU/MX/ANZ
  • No Major Online Competition
  • No more Regional Lans
  • No more Online Supers
  • No more Pro Series
  • Less Open Series than year 1
  • Less Competitions than year 1
  • Less Team Travel Coverage for Majors
  • Less Prize Pool than year 1
  • Less viewership and visibility than year 1
abstract herald
somber swift
#

That would be a first.

abstract herald
abstract herald
# somber swift That would be a first.

After talking to more than 150 esports organisations, more than 20 tournaments/lans/competitions organisers and esports societies, and after all the negative answer I got, I think it's over

#

I'll continue to do what I do during the rest of the year anyways

somber swift
#

I think it's pretty unlikely there is no official HCS next year.

abstract herald
#

But there's something I can leak right now : if there's no new org before Fort Worth, other Pro Players will be leaving

#

(and I'm not only talking about Orgless)

abstract herald
#

and I think they'll also remove the Online Circuit, it will be something like 4 lans, no online cup, (3 majors and worlds) all NA, with 1.75M prize pool

#

or maybe even less

#

The game is in a catastrophic state

somber swift
#

The game is in the best state since we had the BTB problems shortly after launch.

The competitive scene is hurting though.

#

Not sure who these guys are, but good to see another one sign up in EU

abstract herald
abstract herald
#

and HCS will be dead after Worlds

torpid beacon
abstract herald
#

I just hope HCS team to be transparent before leaving orgs and players without job

abstract herald
torpid beacon
abstract herald
#

you're being weird at reacting to all my messages

#

(don't take it personally btw)

abstract herald
#

pro players are definitely leaving

#

in h5 they were still competing

torpid beacon
abstract herald
#

no it's about they don't find orgs, and they have lives

#

and in real life you need money to live

#

so if they can't compete, they need to leave to work and get some money

#

and why do they find no orgs ?

#

because the game's visibility is 0

#

and why the game's visibility is 0 ?

#

because 343i and MS marketing teams are doing nothing

#
  • because the game is unplayable : desyns, lags, packet losses etc etc etc etc etc..........
torpid beacon
abstract herald
#

And I also have some information about why orgs didn't join HCS in early 2020 when HCS was negotiating with them

abstract herald
#

it's the same base engine

torpid beacon
abstract herald
somber swift
abstract herald
#

HCS began to negotiate with orgs in end2019/early2020 (maybe before, but I don't have any information before those dates)

abstract herald
#

and we'll discuss after

torpid beacon
#

Just calm down dude @abstract herald

abstract herald
#

i am being calm lol

#

i already gave up

#

i know everything's over

arctic quiver
#

Then this conversation is over

torpid beacon
#

Then why are you here ?

abstract herald
#

HCS 2024 will be the last year of infinite

silent venture
#

k

arctic quiver
#

Ok

#

Moving on

abstract herald
arctic quiver
#

If the majority of your conversation is now "it's over, HCS is dead", no you're done here.

abstract herald
# arctic quiver If the majority of your conversation is now "it's over, HCS is dead", no you're ...

if it's not, then explain me how we went from 128+ EU teams / 512+ NA teams at the beginning to 4 EU signing and 2 ANZ team signing to the cup ?
And explain me why more than 25 Pro esports org left Halo since Infinite launch ? And why pro players left and are leaving?
And also why we're getting no LAN outside of NA ?

How do you consider it as "not over" ? I want honest response from you, if you're willing to give me one (but can't force you). I just try to be objective.

still socket
#

Bro needs to learn to claim down and listen to the mods lol

abstract herald
#

Anyways I don't want to argue more, and I'm sorry to have disturbed you stckr, have a nice day 🙂 (I'll read your message btw, just not respond)

arctic quiver
#

I have no comments to add about the state of the game or HCS. My only concern here is keeping constructive discussion flowing in this server.

"everything's over", "last year of Infinite", etc. There is nothing constructive here.

arctic quiver
somber swift
somber swift
quartz kite
#

Hey yall, if anyone in the oklahoma area is looking to compete competitively for a college team hmu i can give you more details (any level of college and must be fulltime at our school)

arctic quiver
candid badger
noble field
candid badger
#

How will they qualify though lol

tall mural
tall mural
somber swift
somber swift
viral igloo
quiet prairie
abstract herald
#

Get IDA Pro, you can find lot of documentations about blam! engine on the web, and look by yourself

#

When you don't about something Lematth88, don't claim it as fake news pls

#

H:CE => Blam! 1st gen
H2 => Blam! 2nd gen
H3, ODST, Halo Online, Reach => Blam! 3rd gen
H:CEA Campaign => Saber3D 1st gen
H4 => Blam! 4th gen
H2A Campaign => Saber3D 2nd gen
H2A Multiplayer => Blam! 4th gen
H5 => Blam! 5th gen
Infinite (Slipspace) => Blam! 6th gen

craggy jolt
#

While it uses some of Blam stuff, is still a very heavily modified version of it to the point that it kinda considered a new engine

#

Same goes with Tiger Engine

quiet prairie
quiet prairie
craggy jolt
#

I saw that gdc, it is a very interesting one

quiet prairie
#

And I think 343 at the time didn't follow those advices :/

craggy jolt
#

That's how heavily updated engine works

#

It's the same with Unreal and people will go and say it's a new engine

abstract herald
craggy jolt
#

Read slowly again

abstract herald
candid badger
#

I would not imagine 343i investing time and money in a new engine when they had an engine that they could revamp. And that I'd exactly what they did. Stripped blam!, and built it from the foundation up. According to the video in the reddit and multiple sources.

abstract herald
candid badger
craggy jolt
#

The point of slipspcae is to replace most of the code, modify and modernise the engine to the point that it's considered a new one
Of course there are some blam stuff, if it works well in some areas of the game during development why replacing it

abstract herald
#

Slipspace use the same engine strucure, same cache file structure, the debug menu is even the same, all base cache tags are from H5 etc...

abstract herald
abstract herald
#

this is just a name change, base engine is the same

abstract herald
#

(because that was the main question I was answering @craggy jolt )

astral linden
abstract herald
#

the languages I know and I use :
Web : html, css, javascript (expert)
C/C++ (basic)
R (intermediate)
Python (basic)

#

Engines I worked on : Blam! 3rd gen

astral linden
#

you know this is the hcs channel

#

why are you talking about game engines

abstract herald
#

Am I a programmer, no. Am I a modder, no. I don't have the knowledge or the abilities to mod Halo for now.
But I know where to look for information and who to ask

abstract herald
#

and I corrected the missinformation

astral linden
abstract herald
#

i think the discussion is closed anyways

candid badger
abstract herald
candid badger
#

Anyways what are predictions for top 4 at ssg invite?

quiet prairie
candid badger
quiet prairie
abstract herald
#

pls B1OChemist tell him

candid badger
# quiet prairie what ?

Look up 2018 c7 corvette vs 2019 c8 corvette. In theory, they are 2 different cars, however they have the same frame and other things but look completely different. Does this make or a corvette or a totally new car?

abstract herald
#

anyways, it's not even a debate

#

the majority of slipspace is blam, so...

quiet prairie
quiet prairie
candid badger
#

I sent you a dm of the 2 cars, since I couldn't post photos here. If you agree that it's a corvette still, then you would literally have to agree slipspace is blam! 6.0. If not you are being very hypocritical(gotta be a better word this one doesn't feel right).

quiet prairie
candid badger
#

Did you look at the photos?

What happened between blam and slipspace, is the same thing that happened to the corvette lol. New power terrain, new body style, new engine mount, went from front engine to engine car. The frame is basically the same but even it had to change.

Slip space still has the framework of the blam! engine and many things from blam!. In this sense, slipspace is more blam! Than a c8 corvette, is a corvette.

quiet prairie
candid badger
#

Ok

quiet prairie
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But the problem with your comparison is the main material : the branding and sources
Devs + brand says its a new engine. Why then telling somthing else ? What contradict that its considered a new engine with blam at its base ?

candid badger
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Wish I knew, but why did GM call it a corvette instead of something new? Was it a business move?

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Things I probably won't know for 100.

quiet prairie
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But they look similar too.
For Slipspace, devs says it doesn't look the same

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See my point ? Devs's telling have priority over our own external interpretation. We are not in 343

candid badger
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Imo it more resembles a Lamborghini than a corvette.

Therefore, I cannot see your point.

These 2 comparisons are very similar in the matter and each company did the opposite. And consumers reacted the same way.
"It's a corvette"
It's not a corvette"

"It's Blam! 6.0"
"It's not Blam! 6.0"

fallen tiger
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You know how the Goldsrc engine is basically an heavily modified Quake engine? That's the closest comparison i can find for Blam!/Slipspace.

quiet prairie
candid badger
arctic quiver
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Back on topic please

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You can continue this in DMs

candid badger
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Like top 4 teams?

quiet prairie
candid badger
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Like how will everyone place

quiet prairie
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we still miss 4 NA team + 2 EU + 2 ANZ and MX team. And roster are still unstable. Too early to tell

abstract herald
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we miss no EU teams.
EU is for SLC :
Quadrant : Sica - SLG - TchiK - Lqgend
NAVI : Glory - Snipedrone - Jimbo - zMighty
Orgless : Kimbo - Mose - Phluxr - Respectful

(and don't ask me to source...)

torpid beacon
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Kimbo, Respectful, Mose 3/4 of Infused

torpid beacon
somber swift
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Navi actually signed up for their our tournament hosted by Europa Halo!

abstract herald
somber swift
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Is anyone from Vuelta streaming today?

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MX gets a second contender team signed up

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The leftovers from Bittersweet signed up in ANZ.
Scoobmeiester made it onto mindfreak

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I don't think we'll get 8+ teams signed up in MX or ANZ

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We have exactly 8 in EU right now.
Not sure about the old jlingz players, @abstract herald ?

abstract herald
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at this point idk if they'll continue to compete

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it's hard to live without salary in 2023

tall mural
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every time I check this channel 💀💀💀

somber swift
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Vuelta

abstract herald
somber swift
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Just not signed up yet

noble field
still socket
somber swift
somber swift
noble field
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Whoa BreakingShot went from moving up the food chain to … that team.

somber swift
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Monstcr's team is no longer signed up

noble field
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Damn! Wanted them to win it all.

somber swift
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Hehe

noble field
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The dramedy that would’ve followed would’ve been fun.

tall mural
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Hmm

abstract herald
candid badger
somber swift
quiet prairie
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ANZ is 6 teams

quiet prairie
abstract herald
# quiet prairie https://twitter.com/bluepanda_casts/status/1680027893144113154 (its one of the c...

actually his tweet is incorrect. Here is the complete list.
Those are all the Professional Organisations (where the players were paid or rewarded at events) which left because of HCS decisions :

EU :

  • Acend Club
  • Vexed Gaming
  • Method2Madness
  • BLVKHVND
  • Aw0babobs
  • JLINGZ Esports

NA :

  • G2 Esports
  • Fnatic
  • Team War
  • Kansas City Pioneers
  • XSET
  • Oxygen Esports
  • Eastern Media
  • Built By Gamers
  • The Guard
  • Torrent
  • UYU
  • Louisville Red Wolves

MX :

  • Pittsburgh Knights
  • Team Cruelty
  • Timbers Esports
  • Six Karma

ANZ :

  • ChiefsESC
  • Dire Wolves
  • VertexESC
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(I may have forgotten some ones, but I think I got them all)

abstract herald
tame sandal
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Pittsburgh Knights was sold to SpaceStation Gaming, and their roster later ended up divided.

noble field
abstract herald