hcs-chat

[somber swift]

Share your thoughts:
https://twitter.com/Unit_Shawn/status/1677021749655875584

Unit (@Unit_Shawn)

Our team has been focusing on making sure that our SLC Halo event is a unique and memorable experience for everyone.

To the pros and fans who plan on attending or those watching the broadcast. What can we do to make this experience the best for you?

All suggestions welcome,…

Twitter · Jul 6, 2023, 6:28 PM

[noble field]

100% but seeding does help. Last event for example Quadrant go 3rd in pool and had a harder road to the Top4 than Sentinels, which got 2nd in the Pool. Could be dumb luck but it is true. Open bracket this is even more true.

[somber swift]

Oh, seeding can influence things 100%.
But it's not the most important thing.
The most important is how each team shows up.

[noble field]

100%. Cloud9 agrees. 😂

[somber swift]

they SHOWED UP

[quiet prairie]

https://twitter.com/nativegaming/status/1677068580184027139?s=46&t=tqN5LdNWM6qwHzu7H6g_xw
ha !

[tall mural]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[candid badger]

Bruhhhh

[haughty talon]

That’s tough

[somber swift]

whelp - I guess he's not coming back to the USA

And I think some people got that inside info at Arlington and have known since then

Aleks' tweet seems to imply he thinks he'll be able to get entry into the US again without much issue - while N8V's seems to imply they don't have that same confidence.
(I won't link it, because he curses in it)

[quiet prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-be-bruh-beluga-gif-25964074

[candid badger]

Think pros will move to usa

[somber swift]

this thread hurts my heart
https://twitter.com/SoulSnipe_/status/1677112290561212416

Native | Soul Snipe (@SoulSnipe_)

Incredible how hard it is to get paid out by tournaments in the HCS. @FACEIT, we’ve reached out to you guys many times, it’s been 4 months with no answer 🫣

Twitter · Jul 7, 2023, 12:28 AM

[quiet prairie]

https://twitter.com/JLINGZesports/status/1677269595982376960?t=Wk35hgtHe2qHvZUmHWDQQw&s=19

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-and-another-one-gif-13250129

No EU scene from HCs is the reason. am I surprised ? not at all... Split 2 is only qualifier :/

[tall mural]

“While JLINGZ Esports is stepping away from competitive Halo, we will continue to explore other opportunities and invest in titles and scenes that offer a more stable and promising future for our organization.” sticks out to me

hcs instability go brr

[somber swift]

This year might be the last real Worlds.
If you're a Halo fan that hasn't experienced it yet, grab a ticket and see what it is, before it's all gone.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/halo-world-championship-2023-tickets-668248879387

[tall mural]

wdym by last real worlds?

[somber swift]

Everything keeps getting downgraded and cut

[tall mural]

ah yeah

[quiet prairie]

ANZ might be the one getting cut.
MX possible
EU there is going to be at least 1 team I think

[somber swift]

Tickets for EuropaHalo Blackpool, November 11-12:
https://store.wintergardensblackpool.co.uk/webshop/webticket/bestseatselect?eventId=2036

[tall mural]

it’s sad

[somber swift]

@tame sandal - might be worth a pin?

[somber swift]

What do you mean by getting cut?

[quiet prairie]

Its is...
Truth is that HCS does have a choice for ANZ :/

[quiet prairie]

No more HCS there + not going to be at worlds via HCS

Even their Grassroots got dormant in ANZ...
That's not the case in MX and EU

[somber swift]

Oh so you mean you think next year, HCS won't offer any official online tournaments for ANZ?

(and therefore no support for travel etc.)

[quiet prairie]

exactly.
If cut there is to be they are going to be the first and its going to be big.
The MX and EU might get cut but I don't know how deep its going to be.

[somber swift]

I guess it all depends on if MS gives them another similar budget or not

[quiet prairie]

haha. Nope

[candid badger]

How can 343 improve hcs next season? I know a lot of it will be money issues, but let's say they have the same budget. How can they spread the budget to improve hcs?

[quiet prairie]

The fact that there is still question in the community if there is going to be a season 6/7/8/9 too....

[somber swift]

Thanks Merty

[quiet prairie]

To me : they can't...
They can only "rationalize"

[candid badger]

Would an EU lan help? How can we improve the the hcs in mx and ANZ?

[quiet prairie]

Again, I'm not an optimist so for me : nothing would help now...

[candid badger]

Idk I'm pretty certain an eu lan would help. And let's say quad hosts it. Instead of having 3 Texas majors, have 1 of them be in eu? I would love to say hold a lan in mx or anz but I don't foresee that ever happening with how hcs is there. EU has a chance though.

[quiet prairie]

If HCS and Microsoft doesn't do any agressive marketing and networking, an EU LAN is useless....

(and that mean putting more money...)

[candid badger]

Money is the biggest issue which sucks. However, they could at a bare minimum acknowledge the issues bring them to light and say they are trying instead of promising.

[quiet prairie]

Its not how 343 handle things ...

[somber swift]

https://twitter.com/natusvincere/status/1677256090151428099?t=8sx5xd8INkZuxdN5nXKfFQ&s=19
Only 5 teams so far, and no Quadrant or Navi

NAVI (@natusvincere)

The first tournament of the NAVI x @EuropaHalo summer series is set for tomorrow. Any team from Europe that wants to test their strength can take part in the tournament.

📰 https://t.co/zo7xLjrshT
#Haloinfinite #navination

Twitter · Jul 7, 2023, 9:59 AM

[quiet prairie]

🫡

[tall mural]

where is juziro nowadays

last I saw was when he was with CoL now idk

[somber swift]

Happy to see SR sign up for next week already:
https://www.faceit.com/en/championship/785e88f0-45a7-42cb-ab70-28ea2c2cc078/NA HCS SSG Pre-Qualifier 07-16/teams

[somber swift]

FA still I think

He hasn't played since probably Charlotte?

https://twitter.com/Joeyhoey_/status/1676016475717636096

Juziro (@Joeyhoey_)

F/A. Time to break the top 8 curse, my skill ceiling when im playing the game everyday is limitless. Im a winning player and always looking at the bigger picture when it comes to playing winning halo. Serious inquiries only let me show a team what I can bring to the table 🤝🏻 HMU

Twitter · Jul 3, 2023, 11:54 PM

[tall mural]

someone pick him up 😭😭 he can slay he showed it at worlds

[somber swift]

maybe native white

Some good news:
https://twitter.com/TeamVUELTA/status/1677403679052247041

VUELTA E-SPORT (@TeamVUELTA)

🔥 TIME TO ANNOUNCE OUR COMEBACK IN @HALO 🔥

Welcome to our new roster which will represent us in the 🏆 @natusvincere x @EuropaHalo Summer Series :

@Valkyrie_HCS
@DeZireTB
@ShabbyIDagger
@Batchford_

See you tomorrow in 📺 https://t.co/6xGGRPNWfL !

Twitter · Jul 7, 2023, 7:46 PM

Navi tournament is starting to get some names:

https://twitter.com/AshamanND/status/1677409563170185216

AshamanND (@AshamanND)

It would appear that the hinted at Ft Worth Qualifiers might be starting to get listed:
https://t.co/rtTsmGMsMk

Twitter · Jul 7, 2023, 8:09 PM

[somber swift]

ghost ping?

[quiet prairie]

https://twitter.com/BarcodeAK/status/1677072728430444547
do it

[tall mural]

🤔🤔🤔

[somber swift]

https://twitter.com/KingJayJS/status/1677724486412521472?t=kdTjNYdRg9-q1xDdMUAdZw&s=19

sQ Jay (@KingJayJS)

Our contract with @TeamStatusQuo has ended, wanna thank the team and Mike for everything he did for us. With that being said we are looking for a new home;

We are currently the 11th seeded team & We placed 9th-12th at the last major making it out of open, into pool play, and…

Twitter · Jul 8, 2023, 5:01 PM

[cold kayak]

[still socket]

Is the [HCS] ATHLON helmet part of a upcoming twitch drop?

Because it’s the only helmet that we never got during season 3

[somber swift]

Not yet known when it will be available.
My guess is for Worlds

[still socket]

Ok thanks

My guess is we’ll get another set of drops for the ssg event

The reason why I say that because I believe major was the death hex coating, ember hex was dream hack and recently optic was covenant frontline coating

[somber swift]

You are correct

[noble field]

Now that I think about it, SQ did say they wanted to sign a team to a four or five month deal when this team was signed. Not sure why just half a season but that was the original plan and looks like it didn’t lead to anything else.

[somber swift]

https://twitter.com/Flamesword/status/1677750344787320832?t=YoVHqelaM7JcUoy-H5sSvA&s=19

sQ Flamesword (@Flamesword)

Few things to put out there as a learning esports org owner alongside an update:

• the @TeamStatusQuo Halo roster contract is ending soon & I want to wish the sQuad the best of luck. If they don't find another option, they may still represent sQ moving forward.
• I'm very proud…

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Twitter · Jul 8, 2023, 6:43 PM

[still socket]

I’m guessing plaza and QT will be in the map rotation during the ssg event next month

[somber swift]

QT yes, dunno about Plaza

[abstract herald]

Finally I’m back

[noble field]

Correct we don’t know but I would be shocked if it isn’t. Partly because we need more maps but also partly because he has QT and I think they want to push that. Aquarius and Argyle only get played so often.

[quiet prairie]

Solitude is going to be in the rotation yes. It was announced multiple time by HCS and Tashi on twitter and waypoint

[still socket]

I don’t mind seeing Aquarius and Arglye but seeing different maps would be nice

I wish 343 bring back Catalyst for HCS because that’s a fun map

[noble field]

I like those maps too. I think HCS wants QT to be played as much as possible and those are the only two maps with it. I think they partly add Solitude because it has QT.

[still socket]

I wish they add the QT on recharge as a temporary power equipment until the sword and hammer get fix

[noble field]

Never thought of that. Would be cool where repulse is but that kind of power up needs to be map center so it isn’t for the team that spawns long hall to grab it off the rip.

[still socket]

I mean swap the power up in the middle of the map my bad

Who else feels like the Threat Seeker will be amazing on recharge

[abstract herald]

Could we get support from HCS ?

I think the time came to invest outside of NA

And I hope HCS isn’t removing our 2 Open Bracket slots in 2024

Because it will only kill the scene even more

We need Regional LANs to be back in 2024, that’s a priority

2nd priority would be to bring back the EU 6 slots to NA Majors (2 in Pools for Quadrant and NAVI and 4 in Open Bracket), like year1

ANZ Halo already died because of bad decisions, MX and EU won’t survive 2024 if changes aren’t made

( + several pro players decided to leave the game, and they’re not coming back… I think more to announce is coming in the next weeks on Twitter)

[quiet prairie]

Vaktor, you really don't know Microsoft, Xbox and 343 Policy on regionalisation...

[torpid beacon]

They won't they didn't do that in H5 when halo Esports is in a similar state now in 2016

[abstract herald]

H5 esports in Europe was in better state than actual Infinite one

[torpid beacon]

That's because halo 5 was actually liked unlike halo Infinite

Pros are leaving now since they hate playing halo Infinite

To have a good Esports you need a good game

[abstract herald]

Game isn’t the problem

HCS decisions are

Jlingz specified it very clearly in the tweet

HCS abandoned EU

[torpid beacon]

The better the game the more viewers the halo streams get and people attending events which generates more money 🤑💰. And it shows people are interested in it. So orgs are more likely to invest. Creating a good Esports. But that doesn't happen when 98% of the playerbase leaves the game and viewership plummets just like halo Infinite did

[abstract herald]

Infinite is good in its base, it’s just full of bugs and glitches

And servers are awful

And Infinite launch has been awful

But JLINGZ didn’t leave bc of the game

Same for Aw0babobs

Same for Acend and Vexed before

And Same for BLVKHVND

[torpid beacon]

That's because halo Infinite playerbase had dropped by 98% after 2 months. Most of the orgs when to invest in other Esports that are way bigger than halo Infinite population and viewship wise

@abstract herald It's a sad fact that Halo Infinite failed to deliver

[abstract herald]

Jlingz didn’t leave bc of that

Ik exactly why the org left

That’s why I’ve been asking 2 measures which are priorities rn to change

[candid badger]

Why did they leave?

[quiet prairie]

#hcs-chat message

[abstract herald]

Mainly bc HCS is not investing in Europe :
No Regional Lan
HCS reducing EU spots in Majors

• also NAVI not reaching top7/8 at Arlington (which made Jlingz not qualified to SLC)

But they wouldn’t have left, if we had an EU Lan

[candid badger]

So an EU lan will fix everything?

[tall mural]

EU lan means more prize money for EU orgs and also more viewership of EU orgs specifically

[quiet prairie]

True but 343 doesn't have any network and doesn't how to use it

[tall mural]

Ascending Baseline made a roster move

Now Breakingshot, Posey, Artic, and SuperCC

Envore and Juziro still free agents ☹️

[somber swift]

who was their 4th before?

[abstract herald]

Not everything but it will considerably help

Priority should be to bring back Regional LANs (and conserve those 3 Majors + 2 Global Invitationals)

• bring back EU 6 slots (2 pools + 4 OB)

That’s the priority

But if we’re talking of what need to change :

• bring back Pro Series (and conserve Open Series and 4K Series)
• bring back HCS Online Supers
• bring more visibility and players

Actually Visibility and Pro Series are the most important thing to fix after the 2 priorities I told just before

[tall mural]

Envore

<-> Breakingshot from Proton

Interesting to see how it’ll play out. Breakingshot has talent

[somber swift]

posey was on proton before too, yeah?
Seems like that proton roster had quite the split

[tall mural]

Yeah

They still have Common and Haines I think? Not 100% on that

[somber swift]

I doubt Haines sticks around

[gloomy bridge]

its more halo is nearly ded in eu

[noble field]

I agree with this more than any other statement you have ever said.

[noble field]

Agreed! Good for BreakingShot as this is a better team. Too bad for Envore. I like him a lot and I didn’t think he needed to be replaced. I thought Posey was the weak link but I don’t know too much about him to be fair.

[abstract herald]

all my statements are true and sourced. I just can't share

[tall mural]

Envore deserves a better team. Team WaR and worlds and Fnatic and Anaheim/KC proves he has talent but idk what’s going on

[arctic quiver]

If you can't or won't provide sources for your claims, don't spread what you say as fact

[abstract herald]

I can, and sometimes I do with @somber swift

but not publicly

I'm sure you can understand that sharing these kind of information publicly isn't professional, and isn't good for what I'm working on

[somber swift]

The point is - it's not a positive social look to state something is a fact in a public forum if you are unable to substantiate it.
Just frame it differently 🙂

[abstract herald]

I'm asking publicly HCS/343i to make changes

but I won't justify why, because you already know what it'd cause on what I am doing

[somber swift]

this is fine 🙂

[abstract herald]

btw you should see some roster changes in EU in the next days/weeks

[somber swift]

I look forward to it!

[arctic quiver]

Then I'll repeat again. Do not make claims or state facts on this server if you are unable to back them up. You won't be warned about this again

[abstract herald]

What is wrong in asking HCS to bring back Regional Lans ? This is just something we want and something we need. I never said something bad on HCS

[arctic quiver]

Please turn off the ping/tag when replying

[abstract herald]

my bad, you're right, sorry

[arctic quiver]

I never said anything was wrong with this or made comments on it. There is nothing wrong with looking to get or wanting things to return.

My point was clear but I'll repeat it again. Do not make claims or spread information as fact if you cannot or refuse to back up your claims

If you wish to discuss it further, DM @proud summit

[abstract herald]

I do understand. And I understand you taking time to reply. Thx 🙂

[somber swift]

Sentinels and Optic are adopting a 'take no chances' approach

I don't think they need to register for this.

[noble field]

It takes two minutes. Might as well be safe.

[somber swift]

G1 also signed up - they needed to though

[noble field]

I assume no roster changes on any of the sign ups, correct?

[somber swift]

https://www.faceit.com/en/championship/785e88f0-45a7-42cb-ab70-28ea2c2cc078/NA HCS SSG Pre-Qualifier 07-16/teams

so far

correct

[somber swift]

has anything been shared on twitter or otherwise publicly yet?

[abstract herald]

no. but since Phlux talked about it, I think, I can tell you

NAVI dropping Snakey and signing Glory (no need to tweet about it, before NAVI announcing it officially)

• there's also some roster changes in Orgless but won't talk about it, you know why

[somber swift]

glory was on awobabobs, yes?

[abstract herald]

yeah

[somber swift]

any word on what the other 3 players are doing yet?
Still going to compete?

[abstract herald]

I can only tell Lumizur/Syaiir is stopping undefinitely (bc of the reasons I mentionned)

[tall mural]

gloryggs?

[abstract herald]

won't talk about the others bc, some things are coming

[abstract herald]

yes

[tall mural]

nice

[somber swift]

so that's the last time this squad will play together?

the first Navi summer series?

[abstract herald]

yes

[somber swift]

quadrant obviously isn't changing

[abstract herald]

obviously not

[somber swift]

sounds like rather than having 4 top EU teams, it might consolidate to only 3 high level teams?

navi clearly needed to do something to catch up

[abstract herald]

nah we still can get 4 EU teams

but it'll depend on the offers I get/find

[somber swift]

vuelta making another move?

[abstract herald]

as I explained to you, it's pretty hard to find orgs

[abstract herald]

nah not vuelta

i'm talking of the EU top3 and 4

[somber swift]

quadrant stays
Navi poaches someone from orgless, unkown for remaining players
Jlingz up in the air

would barcode seriously consider EU?

[abstract herald]

I don't think he will

rosters are already locked for the top4

and Barcode isn't part of it

[somber swift]

I guess we'll see in a couple of days for them

[abstract herald]

if things go well, we might have something tomorrow

I really hope to

[somber swift]

no one from international has signed up for faceit yet for this weekend, only NA

[abstract herald]

EU will sign up in few days

we should get something like 16 teams

[somber swift]

I wonder if the recent announcement about 'playoffs' for Worlds at Ft Worth for MX and ANZ are making those top teams really consider their roster options.

[abstract herald]

wdym?

[somber swift]

qualification for Worlds for ANZ and MX won't matter for points.

it will only matter about who is the best team in a head to head at Ft Worth

so those regions just need to focus on the potential of winning that head to head, and past points earned mean 0.

[abstract herald]

we'll see

What I'm concerned about right now, is the difficulties to bring new orgs (bc of the reasons I mentionned) and the fear of remaining orgs to leave

DivineMind, 95X, MindFreak won't stay for ever in ANZ

6K won't stay for ever in MX

[somber swift]

I honestly think that the 'best' teams in MX and ANZ area actually very close to each other in skill - it's just been that seeding issue before where 1 makes it to pools.
Now for MZ and ANZ the points won't matter for worlds - they just need to beat their regional opponent at ft worth in a special playoff.
I think it's REALLY exciting.

[abstract herald]

if LG is playing, LG will win

[somber swift]

6K has shown that they can beat them though

and bittersweet, mindfreak and divine mind aren't that far apart.

I don't know about 95x - probably not a contender

[abstract herald]

6K isn't far from LG

[somber swift]

totally

[abstract herald]

but ANZ teams are too far from them right now

but there're still 3 months before Worlds

things can completely change

[somber swift]

ANZ teams need to only compete against other ANZ teams, not against MX

(for worlds spot)

top 2 teams in points from MX will play each other.

Top 2 teams in points from ANZ will play each other. And since there are 3 teams near the top, that'll be interesting.

[abstract herald]

ok, they just talked about it publicly too, so I can tell you, Snakey retiring from comp too

That's sad, but that's what I talked about for months

This actual circuit made orgs and players to leave

We went from 8 EU Pro Teams in year 1 to 2 EU Pro Teams right now

from 128+ teams at first HCS cups to 16 teams right now

[somber swift]

🙁

[noble field]

https://twitter.com/nativegaming/status/1678556699215503362?s=46&t=k0OtERRoEKly6AAEvMUQqg

Side plot twist, Boam signed up for the qualifier with N8V White. So Mikwen, Kuhlect, Tapping Buttons, and Boam.

[somber swift]

I had a feeling this was going to happen, and I think I wrote it earlier, not sure where I did though

I wonder if that means Druk is ready to go?

Oh wait, wow

So red is looking for a new 4th?

[noble field]

Correct. Will be interesting to who they have in mind. I kinda like Karmea there for a young fast paced slayer.

[somber swift]

Could be!
I guess we'll know shortly.
I wonder if they lose their pool spot?

https://twitter.com/NoobComboCom/status/1678560846413275137?t=J6O5awVh_75Ne8ft3M2jXg&s=19
G1 slightly different

NoobCombo.com (@NoobComboCom)

🔍

Twitter · Jul 11, 2023, 12:24 AM

[tall mural]

the heck 😭😭

[tall mural]

did you see something?

native gaming is in shambles 😦

[noble field]

He didn’t click the tweet I posted until afterwards seeing Druk dropped.

[noble field]

Damn that is a good pick up. I think Suspector is very good. This team could be legit.

[somber swift]

I wouldn't quite say that

A bit of a shake up though for sure

[somber swift]

Where did he play in Arlington?

[tall mural]

they’re made a bunch of unexpected roster moves; diagram, boam, kuhlect, while dropping barcode and druk

feels bad for druk; that native team hasn’t had a chance to show what they’re really capable of since worlds last year

[somber swift]

Diagram?

[tall mural]

Druk’s sub at charlotte; I’m just pointing out how things have not been going their way

[somber swift]

Ah

[tall mural]

Suspector was with Incognito

Suspector is really underrated ppl forget he had the #3 k/d ratio at worlds with eunited

[noble field]

Yea Incognito was Suspector, Karmea, Sab, Mortally. Really underperformed. Not sure they were really in it mentally. Should’ve been a good team but was more of “the four guys that didn’t get picked up but should’ve.”

[noble field]

This! Guy crushed it last year but then had a bad go with G1 and Sentinels. Everyone forgets now.

[tall mural]

Ong

[candid badger]

Let's go sus

Big swish and sus fan. With elis help this team could place well just have to grind it out

[torpid beacon]

25th

[somber swift]

I meant what team, but that was answered

[somber swift]

As I said, don't blame Native gaming, blame US customs
https://twitter.com/DerangedNative/status/1678674235827572736?t=8nFByxmRXT8iIVsH1dAl2A&s=19

DerangedNative (@DerangedNative)

Native and the visa issues:

Even with MANY people helping (both legal and not) our visas weren’t approved. This was a huge let down and one that we tried a few times to get an approval. Each time with more help and evidence. Including help from HCS/Microsoft. But our…

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Twitter · Jul 11, 2023, 7:55 AM

[quiet prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[somber swift]

Lol

It is also possible that some players may have in the past chosen to obtain a tourist visa to enter the USA, and if the gov finds out they actually played and earned $, that really makes it hard to get a proper visa in the future.

[quiet prairie]

Maybe, but it should'nt block anything. its just 1990' US laws 🙂

[somber swift]

why wouldn't is block anything?

If you enter a country under false pretenses, and they find out later, it's gonna be real hard to get allowed back in.
Not saying this occurred, but if it did - it would explain their difficulty.

also, looks like native red will get to keep their spot at SLC

[candid badger]

That's cool

[somber swift]

I hope Navi can start placing higher - would be great to see them in the top 12 globally.

placing top 12 means they actually earned it.
Top 16 is just a gift from being 'top 2' in their own region.

[abstract herald]

yeah ik

but they would reach top13/16 by open bracket if they weren't top2 EU

With Glory it should be better

new Orgless roster will probably be better too

[quiet prairie]

except its not a full job, its just 1 week

[somber swift]

I agree, they could probably reach top 16 if they had to go through open bracket.
But we don't know for sure, since they haven't had to do it.

[somber swift]

if you enter the USA for the purpose of earning money, they look at it differently

[quiet prairie]

my point

[somber swift]

my point was - if you enter the USA on a tourist VISA, but you are actually earning money and they find out - that's not good.
No matter how long it is.

[abstract herald]

Orgless reach top17/18 with perfecting everyone, and lost to SQ which is a top9/12 team

• when we see C9 and COL runs in OB, NAVI can reach it too

but anyways we'll see what they'll do with the new roster

[somber swift]

top 16 shouldn't be their goal regardless - I'm hoping they break the top 12 🙂

[abstract herald]

top5/6 should be their goal

they should have already break top7/8

[somber swift]

a lot of work for them to reach this point still.

[noble field]

Is one of those true and sourced statements?

[abstract herald]

I said they should have

not they will

[abstract herald]

yeah

[somber swift]

MX has a team signed up
https://twitter.com/NoobComboCom/status/1678827995111256074

NoobCombo.com (@NoobComboCom)

😲

Twitter · Jul 11, 2023, 6:05 PM

Acid and Strikey previously placed on 6K

Drift and noblc were on Luminosity

I wonder what happens to 6K the org now?

[tall mural]

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

My little ponys just dipped?

Mqgico Bullet Atzo Sepstars Leours and the odd ones out here

[somber swift]

We'll see what happens for MX

[somber swift]

Native red scrimming against SR with their mystery 4th on a smurf
https://www.twitch.tv/taulek

[tall mural]

😧😧😧

Chat is saying it’s supposedly suppressed

[somber swift]

where was he recently?

[tall mural]

Complexity? I forgot

[somber swift]

i think you're rght

unfortunately, COL hasn't updated their website in awhile

[somber swift]

He's signed up with G1 - but we've seen that stuff change last minute before...

[tall mural]

neither have a lot of teams

[somber swift]

Did we lose this channel?
Did the tweetshift stop working?

[arctic quiver]

Another case of blame Elon

We set it up and the very next day there were breaking changes to the API

[somber swift]

Oh man, what a mess that app is becoming

Looks like it hasn't worked in my server since the 29th, either.
Go figure

At least I can still get the pushes from this server's announcements

[candid badger]

Sauce, cause I thought is was suspcetor?

[somber swift]

I always get those names mixed up, tbh

I'm probably mixed up

[candid badger]

Ok

And rip col if suppressed signed lol

[somber swift]

This is the kind of thing that could make HCS year 3 work
https://twitter.com/MrAdamAp/status/1678914295185154061?t=W5NrDg58URMvpPMSHb1fxQ&s=19

Adam Apicella (@MrAdamAp)

Tick tock

2.0 is being dreamt up now.

Twitter · Jul 11, 2023, 11:48 PM

[astral linden]

oops wrong channel

[quiet prairie]

Could be yes.
NOt in the wolrd but in NA surely yes

[abstract herald]

Or :
3 Majors (NA)
3 Global Invitationals (1 EU, 1 MX, 1 ANZ)
4 Regional LANs (1 NA, 1 EU, 1 MX, 1 ANZ)
4 Online Supers (1 NA, 1 EU, 1 MX, 1 ANZ)
Worlds (NA)

3x250,000 = 750,000
3x125,000 = 375,000
100,000 + 75,000 + 50,000 + 25,000 = 250,000
75,000 + 50,000 + 25,000 + 15,000 = 165,000
1,000,000
=$2,540,000 Circuit (without HCS Opens, 4K and FFA)

(Reminder : actual circuit is $2,500,000)

So it wouldn’t be that much expensive in term of prize pools

(But I think it would be more expensive in term of lan organisations, staff, etc…)

[somber swift]

Please remove the @ when replying to me

[abstract herald]

Yeah my bad, I still need to adapt to the non replying thing

[merry mortar]

Halo doesn't have that much money tbh with you 😂

[abstract herald]

It’s only 40k more cash than the actual circuit 😂

[tall mural]

online supers are a bad idea imo

no matter what the game is unstable

[abstract herald]

It’s a solution less expensive than lan

For big viewership

That’s why it’s been created initially

And orgs are looking for big viewerships

That’s why I had asked about the return of HCS casted Pro Series or of Online Supers

Bc it’s highly important

[somber swift]

Too many cheaters to allow for online supers

[quiet prairie]

in that case we just dont play at all online....

[abstract herald]

Btw sorry for the ping, forgot to turn it off

I need to think about turning it off

[somber swift]

we can still do smaller scale tournaments, for seeding and placements - but to do it for large sums of money is a mistake

[abstract herald]

That’s another issue

But online cups with big viewership has been something asked very often by orgs

[somber swift]

No online supers until cheating is more under control

[abstract herald]

Unfortunately the orgs care about the visibility they can get , not really about the cheaters state

[abstract herald]

Then it needs to be casted by HCS, with a good communication on social media

The goal is to bring viewership

[somber swift]

players don't want to play in online supers.
If they are vocal enough about that, the viewership will stay away, making the supers not worthwhile

[abstract herald]

And to have the best orgs (like Optic, SSG, Faze,…) competing in it

[abstract herald]

Players do want to play in Online Supers

Idk where you’ve seen players complaining about Online Supers

[quiet prairie]

that, i can agree with.

[abstract herald]

But never seen it.

in Europe, people were very happy to play in a 16-teams pool play then champ bracket and earn thousands of dollars

(Tbf they were just happy of the thousands of dollars 😂)

[somber swift]

maybe internationally they do

[quiet prairie]

If there is no LAn extra-NA, its not enough to keep those region involve

[abstract herald]

Anyways we need online cups which can bring viewership

HCS 2k and 4K dont

[somber swift]

oh, i agree, but online supers aren't the answer - not until cheating is controllable

[abstract herald]

(Mainly bc HCS does not stream them and does not communicate enough on them)

We need some kind of cups streamed by HCS

Maybe streaming 4K Series could be a start

[somber swift]

an online invitational with larger money, like the snowdown, would be less risky from an integrity standpoint

[abstract herald]

I mean only the pro teams will get to the 16 teams pool

And we already know all the players

So it’d be almost impossible to have a cheater without knowing it

[quiet prairie]

Understanble with those arguments

[abstract herald]

Something like :
75k NA Online Super
50k EU
25k MX
15k ANZ
Could be great

[somber swift]

the debacle of monstcr showed how bad the players' mentality is surrounding cheating right now.
whether or not he was cheating, every type of person suspected him of it, and there was no realy way to prove it one way or the other.
Even APG was suspicious

That's terrible for the scene

[abstract herald]

If we ensure there’s no cheater

[somber swift]

if you asked every pro if they'd rather compete in a LAN for that prize or an online super, they'd rather it be a LAN.

[abstract herald]

That’s why we need a good anti-cheat, updated EVERY day

So each day a new cheat is discovered, it’ll be patched the same day

And it’ll be very boring for cheaters to download everyday a new cheat

[somber swift]

even though that prize pool is small, they wouldn't want a lan just for that amount - but they'd probably rather cancel any online super for that amount and just have it added to another LAN prizepool.

[somber swift]

boring is not the right word

[abstract herald]

Yeah but LANs are very expensive for HCS to make.

A 75k prize pool LAN is something like 300k min to organise

[quiet prairie]

yes, giving hard penalties could be done easily (another thing that HCS doesn't do too much in talking about :Shaady for exemple)

[abstract herald]

I don’t think HCS has the money to make more LANs (even if I’d like to see more)

[quiet prairie]

If we could get cheating out of the way in order to take care of doped players (adderall for exemple), that would be good indeed

[somber swift]

and yet you propose more LANs here
#hcs-chat message

I agree with you, they don't have the budget

[abstract herald]

Anyways, there’s 2 priorities to bring new orgs to the game :

• Regional Circuit (not only HCS Opens 2K and 4K)
• Regular High Viewership (2K and 4K don’t bring visibility)

[abstract herald]

Ik x)

[abstract herald]

That’s the 2 issues I’ve been facing the most

So Regional LANs and/or Online Supers can fix it

[somber swift]

#2 - is part of why Tashi decided to not broadcast every pool play match - he's trying to keep the 'average' watch count higher.

[abstract herald]

But HCS needs to get the budget for it

[abstract herald]

And what if the org you’re trying to bring doesn’t get streamed ?

Nah this is not a good solution

[somber swift]

and yet here we are

[abstract herald]

There’re other ways to bring viewership

Because orgs won’t like that

But the lack of regional circuit make it very difficult to negotiate with orgs

[abstract herald]

Actually, orgs I have been talking to consider HCS as a niche esports

[somber swift]

who negotiate with orgs?
HCS?
They aren't talking to orgs

[abstract herald]

You know I am

[somber swift]

so you mean:
The lack of regional circuit makes it very difficult for players and managers to negotiate with orgs

[abstract herald]

Yes

[quiet prairie]

I don't understand the logic here ? To have less stream in the same time ? To let down some organisation that will not be broadcasted ? That's less people watching, not more

[abstract herald]

He’s talking of average viewership

And what he said is right, but it’s not a good solution for orgs

Everything should be streamed, just need a better communication and marketing to bring viewership

That’s how everything works

[quiet prairie]

Not open bracket

[abstract herald]

But for this point I was mainly talking of online cups

(Bc the orgs, even huge ones, are okay with the actual lan viewership)

[abstract herald]

Yeah Open Bracket should definitely be streamed by HCS or LVTHalo or EuropaHalo

This should be a priority too for LANs

Like COD is streaming their Challengers LANs

[tall mural]

I think I remember snakebite or Lucid put out a tweet after the na super and said it seemed “irresponsible” to be playing for 125k in an online tournament; snipedown’s rocket is an example of this

Kinda just gave money away in a seemingly illegitimate tournament cough g1 placing second over c9 cough

[quiet prairie]

Its because they have lots of LANs too...

Now other regions have almost nothing

[abstract herald]

yeah completely

they had 5 LANs in NA

while EU/MX/ANZ had only 1

• MX and ANZ Online Supers were only $50k and not 125k

[abstract herald]

it happened only in NA

in EU, teams which placed well at the Online Super, placed well at the Regional Lan

Acend got 1st at both
Quadrant got 3rd at Online Super and 2nd at Regional Lan
NAVI got 2nd at Online Super and 3rd at Regional Lan
etc....

btw NA complaining does not matter, because they already have a kind of "Regional Circuit" bc every LAN is NA

I am mainly talking about EU/MX/ANZ

no event in those regions

[tall mural]

It’s just indicative of the fact that the game online is highly scrutinized. EU had an online cheater as well (Shaady from Acend if I remember correctly) so my only point is that large scale online events should be avoided where possible in favor of LAN; although this would be difficult for HCS with their limited budget

[abstract herald]

Shaady never cheated while he was on Acend

he cheated months after he got dropped on non-HCS online cups (+ it was after HCS 2022 Worlds, during the off-season)

[abstract herald]

if it's lan, then it does not solve the "online cup viewership" issue

• i have been asking for the return of Regional Lans

but actually HCS doesn't have the money for it

Online Supers are cheaper to make for HCS

[somber swift]

2 anz teams so far, one more is likely (mindfreak) and not sure if bittersweet needs to sing up for this or not

Lots of NA top squads not taking the chance, and just signing up

[somber swift]

looks like no changes to these 2 rosters

so unlikely bittersweet or mindfreak will have changes

[abstract herald]

there's no more ANZ

and I think there won't be any ANZ in 2024, HCS will probably announce their departure from ANZ region

[somber swift]

what do you mean there's no more ANZ?

[abstract herald]

no more teams, no more players

the ANZ scene already died

[somber swift]

well, there's still at least 4 pro level teams

and there's some hope:
https://twitter.com/ToolezCasts/status/1677399142103146496

Garrett O'Toole (@ToolezCasts)

I want to do a grassroots tournament for Aussie Halo 🦘

The tournament starts at sundown and ends at sunrise to maximize viewership. I think it's important to have grassroots tournaments to help nurture talent in the region. If any Australia TOs are interested, bang the line.

Twitter · Jul 7, 2023, 7:28 PM

[abstract herald]

not for long

• 4 pro teams is ridiculous

• 2 of them are for sure not paid, idk for the 3rd one, but I don't think they are too

2024 is the year for HCS to comeback

to make a great comeback

a huge one

[somber swift]

Hope is good.
High expectations aren't good.

Striking a balance there is really important

[abstract herald]

let's make a legendary circuit, bring tons of new teams, sponsors, visibility, invest massively :

=> if it works, biggest moove in esports of all time
=> if it does not, let's close Halo Infinite and forget it, it failed

there's no utility in continuing that way

let's try a moove, if it works, that's huge, if it fails, let's close the game

[somber swift]

everything needs to work together.

HCS can't simply make a big move if the general game isn't ready for it.

[abstract herald]

you're telling me this since 1.5y now

I'll not wait for ever

the game needs to be ready at 01/01/2024

if it's not, close it

a game should be ready at launch

[somber swift]

yeah, I know, and I don't control that, haha

[candid badger]

Name 3 games ready at launch since 2015

[abstract herald]

name 1 major game which has a worst esport than Infinite?

idc if the game's ready or not

LANs are fun and competitive, let's make a huge circuit for 2024

and invest massively

more LANs, more Cups, more sponsors, more orgs, more teams, more players, more visibility, pay medias, pay orgs, pay tv channels, pay sponsors, bring visibility to Halo

and make it the n°1 competitive game of 2024

[somber swift]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[candid badger]

Gears of War

[abstract herald]

2024 :
Worlds (NA)
3 Majors (NA)
3 Global Invitationals (NA)
12 Regional LANs (3 per region)
12 Online Supers (3 per region)
Weekly Pro Series (1000 HCS Points)
Weekly Open Series (2000 HCS Points)
Monthly 4K Series (with real $4000 prize pool and 4000 HCS Points)
Bi-Weekly FFA Series
Bi-Weekly Double Series

At least 8 new International Orgs
New Sponsors
visibility, viewership and marketing

Worlds : 20 teams
Majors : 24 teams
Global Invitationals : 28 teams
Regional Lans : 16 teams
Online Supers : 16 teams
Pro Series : 16 teams
4K Series : 16 teams

[candid badger]

How much does the budget need to increase for this?

[abstract herald]

idk I'm not HCS

but we're talking of a game supposedly supported by the 2nd biggest society of the World (after Apple)

so I think they should be able to find a way to fund this

[candid badger]

Then why is the hcs budget so low?

[abstract herald]

idk I'm not working at 343

but they need to fix it

[candid badger]

If they keep the budget they have, what is one thing they need to do to fix hcs and halo?

[quiet prairie]

communication ?
or organization to lose less money ?
make more partnerships to have more money, local one included ?
construct a network from other regions, that can be share across all of Xbox, with local organization of fans, or grassroots or equivalent from other communities ?
Choose one ^^

[abstract herald]

you'd need to know their budget and their expenses to answer to this question

[candid badger]

You know how many lans and events there were and the prize pool. So go off that.

[abstract herald]

prize pool is only a small part of the cost of a lan

Majors are probably something like 800k/1M of budget

[candid badger]

Yeah but wouldn't you want to trade 2 NA Lans for one in the EU and 1 another place?

[abstract herald]

no

[candid badger]

Why

[abstract herald]

i want more, not reorganisation/trade

[candid badger]

But what if we don't get more? What could they do?

[abstract herald]

I'm sure they can get more

[abstract herald]

if they don't get more, the game is dead

[candid badger]

Why is that?

[abstract herald]

Have you not noticed players and teams leaving since Infinite launch?

[somber swift]

I wonder how year 1&2 of infinite compare to year 1&2 of Halo 5?

[candid badger]

Oooh same

Is there a way to find out?

[abstract herald]

Nah, H5 year2 was in better state than Infinite year2

[candid badger]

Proof?

[abstract herald]

but Infinite year1 was pretty good

[abstract herald]

google "Halo 5 esports"

and then compare it to current circuit

[candid badger]

Bruh don't be that person

[abstract herald]

bro, you're asking a simple question, you can get the answer you want in 2min

don't be lazy

[somber swift]

I'm just thinking from people who were closely following the scene about their opinions

And maybe having a list of total prizepools etc

[tall mural]

cintanegra???? aren’t they mx?

[somber swift]

I think they have more than 1 team

[tall mural]

sounds like them

Mexico city flashbacks

[candid badger]

Not laziness, I want to see you back it up with credibility

[tall mural]

splitgate was just weird

[abstract herald]

😢 https://twitter.com/DIV360/status/1584655608741244929

[torpid beacon]

WTF ?

[somber swift]

it's a tweet from the end of year 1.
What's your thought?

[abstract herald]

the tweet was saying year2 to be better

[somber swift]

I know that

[abstract herald]

but year1 was 3M + crowdfunding
and year2 is 2.5M without crowdfunding

[somber swift]

not sure why loading responded with that

[abstract herald]

maybe bc they reduced between year1 and year2? idk to be honest xD

[somber swift]

me neither.

[noble field]

He has sources that H5 year two was better.

[somber swift]

meh, that's just his opinion, and that's fine.

I'm just curious if we heard from like 50+ people that followed both, what the consensus would be

[abstract herald]

bruh :/

[abstract herald]

join EU sauna, and ask, you'll get the same answer than mine

from people who played in both

[tall mural]

Infinite viewership was (emphasis on was) higher than H5’s ever was

[abstract herald]

i'm not talking of viewership but of the comp itself

[tall mural]

100% valid

[pure obsidian]

what was H5 and Halo Infinite HCS peak viewership anyways

cause all I can find is HCS Peak Viewership is 267k for the 2021 Raleigh Major and then the next 2 years were like 140k but can't find much on Halo 5

[noble field]

I’d be curious too on this. H5 didn’t hold my attention like Infinite does. Never really watched.

[somber swift]

From the top 8 in Arlington, only Complexity and Native red haven't signed up for this weekend yet
I don't think that's a coincidence

[noble field]

That’s because both don’t know their roster yet. 😂

[somber swift]

that's what I'm hinting 😉

well, Native red was scrimming yesterday with someone

probably just sorting out the deal in the back end

[noble field]

Sounded like it might be Supressed, which would explain why Complexity is in flux too. If that happens I hope Karmea gets on Complexity.

[somber swift]

The cheating accusations continue, this time in ANZ
https://twitter.com/wrycee/status/1679098223548575744

95X Wryce (@wrycee)

"Maybe he wasn't hacking on controller... BUT HE IS DEFINITELY HACKING ON MNK!!!!!"😡😡

Twitter · Jul 12, 2023, 11:59 AM

[gloomy bridge]

Year1 was hype

Imagine if infinite had proper support

It’d probably be top 10 most played

[torpid beacon]

@vestal wind Hello

[abstract herald]

Year1 was pretty good yeah. And I had believed we would have got more for year2, but we got less

[tall mural]

I miss best of 7 semifinals and stuff like halo 5

I just miss halo 5 in general

[craggy burrow]

Just bought tickets to the Finals. Heck yeah, once more with feeling

[craggy burrow]

I mean it was top 5 for a while, I think its still top 6

[merry mortar]

It's still up there and receives much recognition

[quiet prairie]

• on Xbox

[tall mural]

^

on steam it’s verifiably dead

imo

[craggy burrow]

Well yeah, PC ports of consol games tend to do that

[tall mural]

I’m rewatching Kansas City rn this hits different

[torpid beacon]

It's not even in the top 20 now

[torpid beacon]

Halo Infinite isn't even in the top 20

[gloomy bridge]

with average day1 features it cudve

Waiting 4 seasons out, far too late

That said a gud number still play

200k+

[merry mortar]

200k a day????

buddy 😂

[torpid beacon]

200K. We recently got the exact amount of players daily on halo Infinite and that was 15K on Xbox and 3K on PC. So only 18K a day

[tall mural]

200k unique players monthly

That’s from the same info that loading has

[gloomy bridge]

Not everyone plays at the same time

Or as often as u

220k monthly is decent

[craggy burrow]

Timezones exist too

[quiet prairie]

Infinite is not a port at all, it was made for Xbox and PC at the same time....

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/hcs-year-2-map-rotation-update

Removal : Slayer on Empyrean
Strongholds on Streets
King of the Hill on Streets

Hope Strongholds on Solitude is going to be as good as Streets, because its so much fun to watch

"If the first half of the season was any indication, we’re in for a very exciting second half" : heuuu ok

[torpid beacon]

That's daily 🤥

[gloomy bridge]

U can measure things monthly

U know that right

[merry mortar]

SH on plaza in h5 was very entertaining to play and watch, hopefully it transfers to infinite

The whole difference in movement and play from both games will make a dramatic difference tho somewhat

[gloomy bridge]

Halo api which ur citing probably

Also stated 220k + monthly users

The same post u cite, I’m also citing

[abstract herald]

that's pretty ridiculous

200k unique monthly = dead game

[silent venture]

there's just been a lot of cheating shenanigans this past month alone ngl

monstcr, this guy, ik people are even acting up in rec league of all places

[gloomy bridge]

doomers on that c o p i u m

[winged cradle]

https://discord.gg/pAs878Xt?event=1129130319275110571

[still socket]

So Slayer on Empyrean,
Strongholds on Streets and King of the Hill on Streets got removed for HCS

Here’s the full deals https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/hcs-year-2-map-rotation-update

[noble field]

I was about to post this too. Made room for Solitude Slayer, SH, and KOTH.

I like this. Would wish for one Streets and one Recharge instead of two Streets, but that is just me.

[still socket]

They removed recharge because there was an issue that was causing instability

[noble field]

Could have kept Slayer Emperyan too and have no maps with four gametypes, but I get it. Emperyan Slayer can be the worst to watch but sometimes it has amazing endings.

[noble field]

They did just for last tournament. It is back now.

[still socket]

Oh idk why they added that then lol

[noble field]

So four Live Fire, four Recharge, three Solitude, two Streets, two Aquarius, one Emperyan, and one Argyle.

Definitely could have removed one Live Fire and one Recharge and had one more Streets and Emperyan back. More variety.

[still socket]

Yeah, I want to see if the pro players will use the halo 5 callouts for Solitude

[grim forum]

They need to remove starboard from ranked play it's horrible

[still socket]

How’s it horrible

You can’t say a map is horrible without giving a reason lol

[astral linden]

https://twitter.com/MilesTheRoss/status/1679172546875256833

Miles Ross Jnr (@MilesTheRoss)

Sup @Halo

Likes

564

Twitter · Jul 12, 2023, 4:55 PM

[candid badger]

^

[tame sandal]

Who that

[astral linden]

cod caster

[still socket]

Will the Threat Seeker replace the threat sensor in some game modes for HCS

[merry mortar]

monstcr is for sure cheating 😂

1 out of 10 people cheat in the competitive community I'd say

[noble field]

How many people do you think are playing ranked and part of the “competitive community” right now? 5k? More or less? If 5k, you think 500 cheaters playing? Honest question, I have no idea, just feels high.

[somber swift]

Source?
Trust me bro
😉

[noble field]

65.8% of stats are made up on the spot.

[velvet bough]

I actually had my first taste of someone cheating in infinite the other day. This guy was an unranked player playing high diamond and onyx players in ranked arena (first red flag). This guy literally had 20+ kills in the first few mins, I mean the rest of us on his team didn’t even have to help it seemed like. I tried talking to him during the game but had no mic, and I looked him up after the game thinking he was probably a 2000+ onyx in previous season but his gt didn’t exist in halo infinite stats (2nd red flag). By the end of the game, we won 250-17 in strongholds. He nearly had 50 kills and less than 5 deaths. the rest of had maybe 7 or 8 at the most and his accuracy was off the charts 76% (3rd red flag) Plus the game still had tons of time remaining at the end. I still can’t believe it happened I mean I would like to say maybe he was a undercover pro but even then there’s just no way. He was far off from playing a bunch of noobs ha. What y’all think?

[still socket]

What is your source bruh

[still socket]

Was that player on pc or Xbox?

I would suggest watching that players recent matches and see if he’s cheating or not

[velvet bough]

Yeah should’ve investigated more, I meant to save the game in theatre but never did ha

[somber swift]

Official

[gloomy bridge]

bro druk fr gone wtf

[somber swift]

Yeah he can't get into the USA anymore

[gloomy bridge]

BRO im so mad for him lol

thats legit tragic asf

i wonder wut changed

did he do something sketchy or

[abstract herald]

Why this always happen for other games, but not for Halo ?
https://twitter.com/MoiDawg/status/1679454267231330305

can't we do the same thing and bring back players

[misty pendant]

What's this Sunday's tourney for? Seeding for the SLC invitational?

[quiet prairie]

no its the qualifier for the qualifier for Seeding at the SLC

[misty pendant]

gotcha, thanks!

[hushed fractal]

Bruh Ive seen some crazy aimbot

i literary got shot around a wall by this guy and straight headshotted him with a sniper and it didnt even do damage, and it was well after he had respawned

[somber swift]

So now we're really just waiting on Ace's team?

And maybe Darkest hour?

[somber swift]

removing the 7 NA teams that auto qualified for SLC from this, who are the top 12 that will get a bye to the ACTUAL qualifier next week?

Removing:
Faze
SSG
Optic
Sentinels
Cloud9
Complexity
Native Red

Then 12 more teams will get a bye to next week, I'm guessing:
G1
Rebellion
Native White
Carpe Noctem (old SQ)
Tenacious
SnakedandHeated
Lies?
Derfgang?
Evil?
Gsquad?
and then 2 more still!
That's gonna leave next to nobody playing this weekend, lol.

[noble field]

That’s an odd format. I thought it was just two chances to win a spot and winner from each qualifier got it. Is it just four teams advance to the second qualifier for a mini 16 team qualification tournament?

[somber swift]

yeah

SLC is a 16 team tournament
8 teams pre-qualified from the last LAN in Arlington.

the remaining 8 teams are made up from:

5 teams from the SLC qualifier (2 NA, 1 each from remaining regions)
3 teams based on points after the qualifier (2 NA, 1 EU)

[quiet prairie]

told it ...

[somber swift]

The qualifier works as follows:
Top 12 teams in NA in points that sign up for the pre-qualifier this sunday, get pushed to next week.
Remaining teams signed up this week play until top 4 - and then the 16 teams play out next week

Same format for EU, ANZ, MX, but only 8 team next week (with 6 from this week getting pushed through automatically)

so.
If we don't get more than 8 teams signed up in the international regions this week, those regions won't even have a tournament at all this sunday

[somber swift]

told what?

[quiet prairie]

that there was not going to be enough team to be a good format

[somber swift]

oh yeah, that's true

This weekend (if it plays out as originally written) is gonna have some really 'low tier' teams playing, if at all.

[noble field]

I should sign up. lol

[quiet prairie]

ANZ and EU clearly not going to

[somber swift]

And MX

[quiet prairie]

evereybody has a chance now (almost)

[somber swift]

It's possible there won't even be 8 teams for NEXT week in those regions!

[somber swift]

you should

[noble field]

I’m so bad. 😂 My arthritic hands aren’t what they used to be.

[somber swift]

won't matter!

[tall mural]

old sQ

[gloomy bridge]

so yall think optic can rebound or

have top teams figured them out

[somber swift]

correct

[somber swift]

top teams HAVE figured them out.
Doesn't mean Optic still can't shift and rebound though

Now we know why Suspector joined G1
https://twitter.com/Neuronical_/status/1679899470832578574

Danimals (@Neuronical_)

I will be stepping away from competing……

Twitter · Jul 14, 2023, 5:03 PM

[somber swift]

Hopefully Neuronical finds the support he needs

[noble field]

That’s crummy. Hope he is good. Got a feeling we will see him back soon enough.

[abstract herald]

don't worry he's the goat

MD/Ph.D Student

[abstract herald]

this sentence has no sense

[somber swift]

he's asking if other top teams have figured out how to counter Optic.

[abstract herald]

every top teams know and learn how to counter specific pos

not optic specifically

[somber swift]

It would seem that in the second half of year 1, most teams hadn't figured out how to counter Optic properly yet.
Perhaps now they have.

[abstract herald]

you learn how to counter a push, not a team

[abstract herald]

C9

all teams know how to counter

it's all about mistakes you make in game

Acend knew how to play against NA Top teams

it doesn't mean they won them

bc they were making mistakes

every mistake you make has a consequence

so it's not about countering a team

[somber swift]

ok

https://twitter.com/RichieHeinz/status/1679923617453449216
Confirmed that this weekend the top 7 NA pre qualified for SLC, along with the remaining top 12 in points, won't play this Sunday.

Gonna be an interesting tournament.

Richie Heinz (@RichieHeinz)

@AshamanND @MagickMoonshot @Danimalz8 @LVTHalo @Tashi343i @DIV360 @MuggsyLT The top 8 from Arlington are signed up for the pre-qualifier to verify that they have kept 3/4 of their roster and maintain their pool play spot at the global invitational event.

Twitter · Jul 14, 2023, 6:39 PM

[gloomy bridge]

if that were true explain optics decline

[abstract herald]

other teams training harder + optic making mistakes

C9 year1 was already better or almost better than OpTic

[gloomy bridge]

yes but why now and not earlier

explain that part

[abstract herald]

they had won Raleigh, Anaheim and reseted OpTic in GF Worlds

[abstract herald]

Quadrant

bc they formed the best EU roster ever made, and they got the opportunies to bootcamp in NA

the only reason why OpTic is not doing good placings is because they loose against Quadrant

and why Quadrant is winning ? Because they are probably the team which trains the hardest

[abstract herald]

Even if it's hard : https://twitter.com/ZippyDose/status/1679945403297411079
He's saying the truth.

Since 20 months, the game is unplayable for us (Europeans), but completely broken.

20months is way too looooooong... This should be fixed in 1 month max, it should be n°1 priority of the game (content, store, skins, etc... is secondary).
Make the game playable in ranked and in customs/cups/scrims is priority

We've been waiting during 20 months

and we're still waiting...

Idk if I can ping you @tame sandal (Ik we can't for admins), and I hope I don't disturb you : I don't aim to btw 🙂

But that's why I was asking for it in my questions

(Btw I'm not Zippy, I wouldn't have said it that hard, but I think he's bored)

[tame sandal]

Tbh, the topic of this Spartan Chatter was about Ranked and not other stuff like networking, I can see why it wasn't brought up past the mention of the Trello board.

Two events ago the same question was posed to Ske7ch and he said someone with better technical skills about the topic such a team engineer would be better suited to talk about it. Maybe it'll happen another time.

[abstract herald]

Thanks for details, I understand better

[somber swift]

The return of Monstcr

[still socket]

I’m glad that catalyst is returning to rank

[somber swift]

https://twitter.com/CintaNegraGC/status/1679943851958493184

CINTANEGRA Esports (@CintaNegraGC)

We're very excited to be joining the #HCS2023 Fort Worth Major! See you on September 🫡

🔸 @ItzTheLastShot
🔸 @Schlayygs
🔸 @maceskii
🔸 @Lerskey_

📸: @ElZeno_

Twitter · Jul 14, 2023, 8:00 PM

(already signed up for this weekend's qualifier)

in NA

[tame sandal]

That makes me realize

How are their chances looking for Worlds? Or Native White's chances since they've got Tapping Buttons?

Wait...

These are all American players 🫢

[somber swift]

Yes, welcome Merty 🙂

[tame sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-john-krasinski-the-office-confused-what-gif-15724164

So how does N8V White making it to Worlds look?

[somber swift]

I think they get top 2 in the qualifier

If somehow they miss that, they're pretty much guaranteed to be top 2 in points afterwards (which also qualify)

[tame sandal]

I'll buy an extra Mexican flag before Seattle then

Hopefully Tapping Buttons will also be there

[somber swift]

oh hang on

[tame sandal]

[somber swift]

I completely ignored that you said worlds

I just assumed it was SLC

[tame sandal]

I do not like the sound of that...

[somber swift]

So, Worlds depends almost entirely on how they perform at Ft. Worth

It's possible that N8V White makes it into the top 8 in Ft Worth.
If they don't though, it's HIGHLY unlikely they don't at least come in the next top 4 NA in points.

I think unless they implode in the next 2 events, seeing N8V White at Worlds is likely.

[tame sandal]

I'll be rooting for them on future streams

[somber swift]

first chance to root for them will be weekend of 22/23

(They won't have to play this sunday because of their points)

Did you see their current roster?

Boam replaced Barcode

[tame sandal]

Do you think that was for the better?

[candid badger]

No

[somber swift]

Considering Barcode cannot reliably enter the USA, yes

[candid badger]

But it had to happen

The latter is true though.

[tame sandal]

I thought Druk was the one with Visa problems?

Unless I'm talking about another team

[somber swift]

both Druk and Barcode had visa problems

Druk's started sonner though, Barcode's are more recent

kinda crazy

[candid badger]

Also on the conversation of optic, most teams know how optic plays, where they rat before a push, where they setup, how they push, etc.

This year if you watch faze and ssg they play scrappy and very unpredictable.

This year if you want to be the top you have to adapt, play very unpredictable, and no mistakes can be made.

A lot of teams work extremely hard.

Look at quad vs sen this last lan.

Sen was dominating. Quad adapted and made moves on their mistakes.

The biggest mistake sen made was not playing for time when they were 3-2 on KOTH live fire. That was the most pivotal moment in the series imo.

[somber swift]

Anyone have any clue what Proton gaming are doing, or Darkest Hour?

[still socket]

Since solitude going to be added to HCS will pro players use the halo 5 call outs

[somber swift]

100% yes

with a few slight adjustments

[still socket]

Thanks

[somber swift]

Not sure what the casters will do - but I imagine many of them are familiar with the H5 callouts, so will use them too.

we finally got Orgless signed up for this weekend

kimbo and respectful are different though?

this was who they were at Arlington

seems like things are shaking up in EU too

and then they were this at the last NAVI/EUROPA tournament

[noble field]

This is my favorite sentence of all time. “They are only losing because they aren’t beating the team that is beating them.”

[somber swift]

Maybe they should stop being loose, and start tightening up?

😉

[abstract herald]

I have a gift for you : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_cell

very instructive

[somber swift]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-gif-26329300

[abstract herald]

they are working on it, they're champs

[somber swift]

You missed my joke

[noble field]

Damn!

[somber swift]

https://tenor.com/view/upset-walking-sad-gif-5488754

[abstract herald]

frenchy can't get english spoken humour 🙂

[somber swift]

good thing I'm not american

[noble field]

This is what I get when I Discord and drive.

[abstract herald]

we need HCS Lan in Europe

please

[somber swift]

🙂

[somber swift]

Make sure you take the corners nice and tight.

[abstract herald]

no circuit in Europe for 2024 => remaining orgs and players leaving
+> no new orgs/players

[winged cradle]

Can download the latest episode or toss it up on YouTube from here:

#announcements message

[winged cradle]

you haven't really learned have you?

[abstract herald]

we're just joking

[winged cradle]

jokes are funny. and not insulting.

[abstract herald]

@noble field my friend did i insult you ?

[abstract herald]

we're just joking, there's nothing insulting between us

[somber swift]

It's hard because seeing only 3 teams signed up for the SSG Qualifier, and only 8 for the Europa online isn't promising 😦

[noble field]

You’re my favorite frenemy.

[abstract herald]

We both know what made us to this situation

when Infinite launched, and I saw +128 teams at first EU cups, I really had hopes about Halo... But now it's already all gone

and we're getting no support

which led us to 3 teams in EU, 2 teams in ANZ signing to the SSG Qual

[abstract herald]

https://twitter.com/SixKarmaEsports/status/1679974034807685121

[somber swift]

Didn't Luminosity take some of their players?

[somber swift]

yes

Luminosity dropped 2 players and took 2 from 6K

[somber swift]

looks like we have an answer to this
https://twitter.com/SixKarmaEsports/status/1679974034807685121

Six Karma | Ola 🌊💚 (@SixKarmaEsports)

COMUNICADO OFICIAL DE SIX KARMA RESPECTO A NUESTRA DIVISIÓN HALO:

OFFICIAL STATEMENT ABOUT SIX KARMA'S HALO TEAM:

Twitter · Jul 14, 2023, 9:59 PM

[abstract herald]

so let's sum up the situation of this HCS year 2 :

• VertexESC (ANZ) left
• JLINGZ Esports (EU) left
• Aw0babobs (EU) left
• Several Pro Players are steping away from comp

and more orgs and players will left HCS after Worlds

[somber swift]

The game is getting a lot better every update.

it's entirely possible to fix the competitive cicuit, if the money gets invested.

The game feels better and better

[abstract herald]

• No LAN in EU/MX/ANZ
• No Major Online Competition
• No more Regional Lans
• No more Online Supers
• No more Pro Series
• Less Open Series than year 1
• Less Competitions than year 1
• Less Team Travel Coverage for Majors
• Less Prize Pool than year 1
• Less viewership and visibility than year 1

[abstract herald]

I personally start thinking there won't be any HCS circuit in 2024

[somber swift]

That would be a first.

[abstract herald]

that would be the last

[abstract herald]

After talking to more than 150 esports organisations, more than 20 tournaments/lans/competitions organisers and esports societies, and after all the negative answer I got, I think it's over

I'll continue to do what I do during the rest of the year anyways

[somber swift]

I think it's pretty unlikely there is no official HCS next year.

[abstract herald]

But there's something I can leak right now : if there's no new org before Fort Worth, other Pro Players will be leaving

(and I'm not only talking about Orgless)

[abstract herald]

There'll probably be a smaller NA centralized one

and I think they'll also remove the Online Circuit, it will be something like 4 lans, no online cup, (3 majors and worlds) all NA, with 1.75M prize pool

or maybe even less

The game is in a catastrophic state

[somber swift]

The game is in the best state since we had the BTB problems shortly after launch.

The competitive scene is hurting though.

Not sure who these guys are, but good to see another one sign up in EU

[abstract herald]

it's an old roster coming back

[abstract herald]

best state but still unplayable + we lost 90% of our playerbase, so it makes no difference

and HCS will be dead after Worlds

[torpid beacon]

There's less viewship because people hate the game

[abstract herald]

I just hope HCS team to be transparent before leaving orgs and players without job

[abstract herald]

bro stop talking to me, you were the guy saying on EU Sauna, H4 to be a good game

[torpid beacon]

Halo 5 lost 90% of its playerbase and HCS still survived

[abstract herald]

you're being weird at reacting to all my messages

(don't take it personally btw)

[torpid beacon]

I wasn't

[abstract herald]

it's different this time

pro players are definitely leaving

in h5 they were still competing

[torpid beacon]

That's because nobody cares about the game just like halo 4

[abstract herald]

no it's about they don't find orgs, and they have lives

and in real life you need money to live

so if they can't compete, they need to leave to work and get some money

and why do they find no orgs ?

because the game's visibility is 0

and why the game's visibility is 0 ?

because 343i and MS marketing teams are doing nothing

• because the game is unplayable : desyns, lags, packet losses etc etc etc etc etc..........

[torpid beacon]

That's because of the game engine and they can't fix that. So halo Infinite will continue to fail. This is why they need to go back to older halos

[abstract herald]

And I also have some information about why orgs didn't join HCS in early 2020 when HCS was negotiating with them

[abstract herald]

Splispace is basically Blam! 6th gen

it's the same base engine

[torpid beacon]

That wouldn't matter since COVID was right around the corner

[abstract herald]

it was unrelated to covid

[somber swift]

I will disagree when you say:
"best state but still unplayable"

[abstract herald]

HCS began to negotiate with orgs in end2019/early2020 (maybe before, but I don't have any information before those dates)

[abstract herald]

try MX/ANZ/EU servers

and we'll discuss after

[torpid beacon]

Just calm down dude @abstract herald

[abstract herald]

i am being calm lol

i already gave up

i know everything's over

[arctic quiver]

Then this conversation is over

[torpid beacon]

Then why are you here ?

[abstract herald]

HCS 2024 will be the last year of infinite

[silent venture]

k

[arctic quiver]

Ok

Moving on

[abstract herald]

we're both all 3 respecting the rules (loading moove on dm if you want to continue the discussion, apparently we can't chat here :/)

[arctic quiver]

If the majority of your conversation is now "it's over, HCS is dead", no you're done here.

[abstract herald]

if it's not, then explain me how we went from 128+ EU teams / 512+ NA teams at the beginning to 4 EU signing and 2 ANZ team signing to the cup ?
And explain me why more than 25 Pro esports org left Halo since Infinite launch ? And why pro players left and are leaving?
And also why we're getting no LAN outside of NA ?

How do you consider it as "not over" ? I want honest response from you, if you're willing to give me one (but can't force you). I just try to be objective.

[torpid beacon]

Stop attacking him

[still socket]

Bro needs to learn to claim down and listen to the mods lol

[abstract herald]

I follow the #rules-and-guidelines and I try to follow the truth and the reality, not the mods. A mod can be wrong, as I can be wrong, and as you can be wrong, and as anybody can be wrong.

Anyways I don't want to argue more, and I'm sorry to have disturbed you stckr, have a nice day 🙂 (I'll read your message btw, just not respond)

[arctic quiver]

I have no comments to add about the state of the game or HCS. My only concern here is keeping constructive discussion flowing in this server.

"everything's over", "last year of Infinite", etc. There is nothing constructive here.

[arctic quiver]

I refer back to this and we can move back on topic ^

[somber swift]

https://twitter.com/NoobComboCom/status/1680000008370757637?t=tUin0Vmb7QyMKtfG-Wcxsg&s=19

NoobCombo.com (@NoobComboCom)

❕

Twitter · Jul 14, 2023, 11:43 PM

[somber swift]

So this team doesn't exist anymore?

[somber swift]

Toni dropped for Juziro here

[quartz kite]

Hey yall, if anyone in the oklahoma area is looking to compete competitively for a college team hmu i can give you more details (any level of college and must be fulltime at our school)

[arctic quiver]

Check out #lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams or #lfg-competitive

[candid badger]

Are they trying to Qual for ssg?

[noble field]

They are. I was really curious if someone would team with Monster again thinking they can get a spot with the online god himself. 😂

[candid badger]

How will they qualify though lol

[tall mural]

lowkey w move

[tall mural]

this very interesting

[somber swift]

Everyone is

[somber swift]

Top 2 from the qualifier gets to go to SLC

[viral igloo]

Wrong I'm never wrong only sometimes right though 😆

[quiet prairie]

Can't let this pass: that is totally not what we know of Slipspace. It is a new engine. With only some line of code from Blam... don't know where you got that fake news but its certainly nothing official and sourcable

[abstract herald]

lol

[abstract herald]

let me say it again : lol

Get IDA Pro, you can find lot of documentations about blam! engine on the web, and look by yourself

@quiet prairie here are some sources from Lord Zedd btw :
https://twitter.com/zeddikins/status/1428788080681668618

When you don't about something Lematth88, don't claim it as fake news pls

H:CE => Blam! 1st gen
H2 => Blam! 2nd gen
H3, ODST, Halo Online, Reach => Blam! 3rd gen
H:CEA Campaign => Saber3D 1st gen
H4 => Blam! 4th gen
H2A Campaign => Saber3D 2nd gen
H2A Multiplayer => Blam! 4th gen
H5 => Blam! 5th gen
Infinite (Slipspace) => Blam! 6th gen

[craggy jolt]

While it uses some of Blam stuff, is still a very heavily modified version of it to the point that it kinda considered a new engine

Same goes with Tiger Engine

[quiet prairie]

yup, exacly what is officially said in 2018 on Facebook Gaming by 343 (at the same time splitscreen was achieved)

[quiet prairie]

still no trustable source but ok...
Don't even know who this Lord Zedd is. Why he is trustworthy ? Did he worked at 343 after 2015 ?

[quiet prairie]

On Tyger Engine : https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1022106/Lessons-from-the-Core-Engine

[craggy jolt]

I saw that gdc, it is a very interesting one

[quiet prairie]

And I think 343 at the time didn't follow those advices :/

[candid badger]

@abstract herald @quiet prairie

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/i0zp56/slipspace_engine_built_on_top_of_the_previous/&ved=2ahUKEwi1jo791pCAAxUNkmoFHW-7BCIQjjh6BAgYEAE&usg=AOvVaw0obph8-FKBJhpdIZuc1yR3

[craggy jolt]

That's how heavily updated engine works

It's the same with Unreal and people will go and say it's a new engine

[abstract herald]

and Blam! 5th gen is a very heavily modified version of Blam! 4th gen

[craggy jolt]

Read slowly again

[abstract herald]

he's one of the most known modders for more than 15 years but ok

[candid badger]

I would not imagine 343i investing time and money in a new engine when they had an engine that they could revamp. And that I'd exactly what they did. Stripped blam!, and built it from the foundation up. According to the video in the reddit and multiple sources.

[abstract herald]

mate I know more about Blam! than both of you

[candid badger]

^

[candid badger]

Probably not a good idea to assume

[craggy jolt]

The point of slipspcae is to replace most of the code, modify and modernise the engine to the point that it's considered a new one
Of course there are some blam stuff, if it works well in some areas of the game during development why replacing it

[abstract herald]

Slipspace use the same engine strucure, same cache file structure, the debug menu is even the same, all base cache tags are from H5 etc...

[abstract herald]

not "some" blam stuff, but majority of it is blam

[craggy jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/cortana2-cortana-halo-halo-infinity-gif-21956391

[abstract herald]

there's more modifications between Blam! 4th and Blam! 5th
than between Blam! 5th and Slipspace anyways

this is just a name change, base engine is the same

[abstract herald]

So NO engine is not the issue

(because that was the main question I was answering @craggy jolt )

[abstract herald]

github.com/VaktorTV

the languages I know and I use :
Web : html, css, javascript (expert)
C/C++ (basic)
R (intermediate)
Python (basic)

Engines I worked on : Blam! 3rd gen

[astral linden]

you know this is the hcs channel

why are you talking about game engines

[abstract herald]

Am I a programmer, no. Am I a modder, no. I don't have the knowledge or the abilities to mod Halo for now.
But I know where to look for information and who to ask

[abstract herald]

someone asked, I answered

and I corrected the missinformation

[astral linden]

move it to #halo-discussion ?

[abstract herald]

i think the discussion is closed anyways

[candid badger]

What did you work on?

[abstract herald]

look at my github and see (can't talk about it on this discord)

[candid badger]

Anyways what are predictions for top 4 at ssg invite?

[quiet prairie]

same sources that i said yes, it has some framework but it is too much modified to be a continuity

[candid badger]

Do you know what a corvette is?

[quiet prairie]

what ?

[abstract herald]

it's a continuity

pls B1OChemist tell him

[candid badger]

Look up 2018 c7 corvette vs 2019 c8 corvette. In theory, they are 2 different cars, however they have the same frame and other things but look completely different. Does this make or a corvette or a totally new car?

[abstract herald]

anyways, it's not even a debate

the majority of slipspace is blam, so...

[quiet prairie]

source : trustme. As always with you

[quiet prairie]

Don't see how it can be compared. This is two cars that are linked by the same gobal design.

[candid badger]

I sent you a dm of the 2 cars, since I couldn't post photos here. If you agree that it's a corvette still, then you would literally have to agree slipspace is blam! 6.0. If not you are being very hypocritical(gotta be a better word this one doesn't feel right).

[quiet prairie]

Again don't see how it can compared to two very different situation.
The corvettes are linked by a global design and a line "corvette".
Slipspace has been rebranded and take blam from scratch to rebuild it entirely to the point where devs says that "its a new engine". I'm not making stuff up, its in the video

[candid badger]

Did you look at the photos?

What happened between blam and slipspace, is the same thing that happened to the corvette lol. New power terrain, new body style, new engine mount, went from front engine to engine car. The frame is basically the same but even it had to change.

Slip space still has the framework of the blam! engine and many things from blam!. In this sense, slipspace is more blam! Than a c8 corvette, is a corvette.

[quiet prairie]

yes i did look that's why i said they are not that different

[candid badger]

Ok

[quiet prairie]

But the problem with your comparison is the main material : the branding and sources
Devs + brand says its a new engine. Why then telling somthing else ? What contradict that its considered a new engine with blam at its base ?

[candid badger]

Wish I knew, but why did GM call it a corvette instead of something new? Was it a business move?

Things I probably won't know for 100.

[quiet prairie]

But they look similar too.
For Slipspace, devs says it doesn't look the same

See my point ? Devs's telling have priority over our own external interpretation. We are not in 343

[candid badger]

Imo it more resembles a Lamborghini than a corvette.

Therefore, I cannot see your point.

These 2 comparisons are very similar in the matter and each company did the opposite. And consumers reacted the same way.
"It's a corvette"
It's not a corvette"

"It's Blam! 6.0"
"It's not Blam! 6.0"

[fallen tiger]

You know how the Goldsrc engine is basically an heavily modified Quake engine? That's the closest comparison i can find for Blam!/Slipspace.

[quiet prairie]

Yeah, well. If you think that we can't argue with each other....

[candid badger]

So many people agree with this, but you are right we are at a stand still in our convo. So who are your top 4 for ssg invite and why?

[quiet prairie]

what top 4 ?

[arctic quiver]

Back on topic please

You can continue this in DMs

[candid badger]

Like top 4 teams?

[quiet prairie]

at the event or going to the event ?

[candid badger]

Like how will everyone place

[quiet prairie]

we still miss 4 NA team + 2 EU + 2 ANZ and MX team. And roster are still unstable. Too early to tell

[abstract herald]

we miss no EU teams.
EU is for SLC :
Quadrant : Sica - SLG - TchiK - Lqgend
NAVI : Glory - Snipedrone - Jimbo - zMighty
Orgless : Kimbo - Mose - Phluxr - Respectful

(and don't ask me to source...)

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Kimbo, Respectful, Mose 3/4 of Infused

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1. Faze 2) SSG 3) Quadrant 4) Optic

[somber swift]

Only 1 and team

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Navi and orgless still need to play this weekend/next weekend to make that official

Navi actually signed up for their our tournament hosted by Europa Halo!

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yeah and they will both qualify

[somber swift]

Is anyone from Vuelta streaming today?

MX gets a second contender team signed up

The leftovers from Bittersweet signed up in ANZ.
Scoobmeiester made it onto mindfreak

I don't think we'll get 8+ teams signed up in MX or ANZ

We have exactly 8 in EU right now.
Not sure about the old jlingz players, @abstract herald ?

[abstract herald]

no

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they may/may not sign up

at this point idk if they'll continue to compete

it's hard to live without salary in 2023

[tall mural]

every time I check this channel 💀💀💀

[somber swift]

Are they not playing tomorrow either?

Vuelta

[abstract herald]

they are

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Just not signed up yet

[noble field]

😂

[still socket]

Same here

[somber swift]

https://twitter.com/AshamanND/status/1680238503052050433?t=nw7kbgdgKUGZs7QHxpZJ5Q&s=19

AshamanND (@AshamanND)

The @EuropaHalo / @natusvincere Summer Series #2 is live right now with the Winners Finals between Navi and BH3-Esport.
Come check out the new roster!
https://t.co/FWUPY2BJsO

Twitter · Jul 15, 2023, 3:30 PM

[candid badger]

https://twitter.com/NoobComboCom/status/1679996514238705667

[noble field]

Whoa BreakingShot went from moving up the food chain to … that team.

[somber swift]

Monstcr's team is no longer signed up

[noble field]

Damn! Wanted them to win it all.

[somber swift]

Hehe

[noble field]

The dramedy that would’ve followed would’ve been fun.

[tall mural]

Hmm

[abstract herald]

https://twitter.com/xL3G3ND6/status/1680160256985374720

[candid badger]

https://activeplayer.io/halo-infinite/

[quiet prairie]

ANZ is 6 teams

[quiet prairie]

https://twitter.com/bluepanda_casts/status/1680027893144113154
(its one of the caster from ANZ who casted HCS in 2022)

[abstract herald]

actually his tweet is incorrect. Here is the complete list.
Those are all the Professional Organisations (where the players were paid or rewarded at events) which left because of HCS decisions :

EU :

• Acend Club
• Vexed Gaming
• Method2Madness
• BLVKHVND
• Aw0babobs
• JLINGZ Esports

NA :

• G2 Esports
• Fnatic
• Team War
• Kansas City Pioneers
• XSET
• Oxygen Esports
• Eastern Media
• Built By Gamers
• The Guard
• Torrent
• UYU
• Louisville Red Wolves

MX :

• Pittsburgh Knights
• Team Cruelty
• Timbers Esports
• Six Karma

ANZ :

• ChiefsESC
• Dire Wolves
• VertexESC

(I may have forgotten some ones, but I think I got them all)

[abstract herald]

🇪🇺 WeLoveBTB Open Cup 🇪🇺

23 July, 13:00 CET

** https://twitter.com/WeLoveBTB/status/1680518636895899648 **

[tame sandal]

Pittsburgh Knights was sold to SpaceStation Gaming, and their roster later ended up divided.

[noble field]

Any org that wasn’t in Halo for more than six months I don’t count. Like UYU picked up an Orgless team for one event and that was it. You could argue a lot of those teams weren’t ever really in Halo.

[abstract herald]

ik all of this. I'm talking about why orgs left, and i know exactly why