halo-discussion

[neon wedge]

hey guys sorry for stupid question
is there plenty server to play halo multiplayer? b4 i purchase those games from steam?

[glacial tartan]

Probably not. The more that time passes the less likely it is.

[glacial tartan]

Yes

[stoic beacon]

We're not missing much tbh

Don't forget ODST

[proper bane]

chat service down for anyone else?

[solid canopy]

It really is a shame the campaign fell so short because Halo 5 really did deliver on most other aspects

Regardless of how you feel about the alterations made to mechanics, I do believe 5's multiplayer to be genuine fun

I also think it is fair to say that 343i's improvements to Forge are among the things they undeniably surpassed Bungie on

(I have been screwing around with 5 multiplayer lately- or rather, Warzone Firefight and Custom Games)

Had the campaign been better received, I think Halo 5 would've been considered to be where 343i was able to come into its own on all fronts (except theater womp womp)

[solid canopy]

I am kind of dreading Halo Campaign Evolved's release because I know the discussion around it is going to be a storm of annoyance. I really want it to beat the odds, but I'm not holding my breath. The prequel missions might be the real saving grace

[stoic beacon]

the prequel missions are going to be how 343 will test their campaign making skills. I hope they will actually use the feedback this time

[winged hazel]

you spelled halo studios very wrong buddy

[stoic beacon]

oh I'm sorry, I meant "halo studios"

[lost trellis]

It’s already a storm of annoyance. Literally all the problems of CEA are returning because shrugs No one is upset with HS because they want them to fail. It’s like watching your buddy comeback from rehab then start hitting a roach. So obviously you’re going to smack it out of his hand. The reason 343i rebranded is because they wanted to put the the last 10 years behind them and be hopeful to a better future and sadly it seems like their first project as HS has the exact same issues as their first project as 343i. It’s sad to see them go “we’ve changed!” Then literally make the exact same mistakes.

[lime forge]

"problems"

If that what you call problems in your life let me tell you i envy you

[stoic beacon]

they are problems with the game. is this your way of defending 343?

[lime forge]

I'm not defending 343, i'm the first one to trash talk about H4 and H5

But from what we've seen about the CE remake there is absolutly no issues at all

[lost trellis]

Well I’m a wounded vet so don’t get too excited yet kin lol.

[plucky flicker]

Avoid Twitter for three weeks and it'll be fine, methinks

[lime forge]

Just a way of talking

[lost trellis]

I know I’m just messing

[stoic beacon]

just don't use it at all. that's even better

[plucky flicker]

That's fair.

[solid canopy]

I'm not on Twitter to begin with

[crystal iron]

its honestly sad seeing people throw a temper tantrum over something as simple as a soda collab, so im also sort of scared to see how people will react once the game actually releases

[spice quest]

The Fanta skin is honestly just a neat side thing, there has been confirmation there will be no in game store, and people could have taken it as a sign that there will be different skins available and earnable in game.

[lime forge]

And that's fun

[spice quest]

Yeah! People really got way too pressed about it

[lime forge]

I'm tired to wait personally i want to play 🙁

[dusky junco]

This is halo bt dicord right

[civic sundial]

I imagine they'll be skins tied to doing things in the campaign, such as beating it on legendary, finding the terminals and stuff like that

Honestly, I think it'd be neat if they had the skin for finding all the terminals be a Marathon reference, whether that be slapping on the Security helmet to Chief's Mark V or just simply mimicking the colours of the Security Officer

[inland minnow]

this is the official discord server for the Halo series owned by Microsoft, developed by Bungie and 343i/Halo Studios with help from Certain Affinity, Blur, and Gearbox, and non-game content produced by a range of individual artists. is that what you mean?

[civic sundial]

(Or if possible, something straight from Marathon if they can get Bungie on board with it)

[dusky junco]

Halo bt

What game do ypu guys play

[civic sundial]

Halo is a game franchise, which is what this Discord server is about

[dusky junco]

O my god wrong server

Kick me out

[lime forge]

I would like to see personally skins of the original Mac Halo game

Like we had in the digsite content

[civic sundial]

I wouldn't be surprised if they reused the Orion armour from Infinite for that

Since well, that is the Macworld demo armour

[inland minnow]

we dont need to kick you, you can leave without punishment. or you can stick around! we dont mind franchise newbies here (:

[dusky junco]

No

How can i leav

[coarse dagger]

https://www.howtogeek.com/754542/how-to-leave-a-discord-server/

[lost trellis]

If the 25th anni celebration on Destiny was anything I think both ms and Bungie’s are willing to play ball.

[civic sundial]

There wasn't an official collaboration between HS and Bungie for that

[lost trellis]

It doesn’t really have to be official. At the time Destiny just hit gamepass, the collab very clearly marketted Halo content and no one went on a witch hunt for it. MS has done hunts before it before so stopping the Buck there was telling. Not everything needs a light upon it to be seen.

At the least it’s probably better to say it’s a collection of Easter eggs lol

[civic sundial]

No like, when Bungie made the Bungie anniversary stuff for Destiny 2, nobody from Microsoft or Halo Studios had any involvement in the creation of that content. It's why the designs for the weapons based on Halo weapons are not 1 to 1, because legally they couldn't

It was not a collaboration in any sense with Halo

[fallow arch]

Guys will there be a new race in ce evolved

[brisk agate]

Probably not

Especially not the promithiens

Idk if it’s spelled that right

[civic sundial]

Prometheans wouldn't make sense to appear in any game set before Halo 4 unless they decided to make a game set during the Forerunner-Flood War, but I doubt we'll see that (Also not sure why you specifically pointed out the Prometheans)

[stoic beacon]

Good

[celest heron]

they might be adding different flood forms, but that's all we know.

[stoic beacon]

the new post is kinda nice. at least reach is mentioned and it's not put in "other"

[crystal iron]

just found out halo reach is like 10 bucks on steam, i havent played it in years so i might get it

or would it be recomended to buy MCC instead, i dont have either

[civic sundial]

Buy the whole of MCC on Steam honestly

[crystal iron]

havent really touched reach/halo since i had an xbox one

[crystal iron]

alr

[stoic beacon]

mcc goes on sale for 10 bucks every now and then

but if you can't wait just buy it now

10 bucks for all of halo is a steal

[crystal iron]

from what i saw the next sale is in like 84 days

i dont really want to wait 12 weeks lol

[stoic beacon]

right. the spring sale just ended

[crystal iron]

yeah sadly

[stoic beacon]

go ahead then

[crystal iron]

rad

[stoic beacon]

I've never used it

Well, I only used it to accept a friend request

But other than that there's no need to use it

[lime forge]

Isn't that obvious for anyone that if all the marines died in the pod in the end the Pillar of Autumn mission is because Chief had not a seat and splashed everybody during the drop ?

[lost trellis]

The pilot mentions an air break failure. That's the part I think MC had a hand in. He was likely pulled hte craft overweight since his armor was an extra 1000 pounds. Either way those marines were cooked because going through a crash just to have an enemy dropship on your head not even 5 minutes later is a certainly a death march.

[lime forge]

I was just joking

I saw a funny Tik tok about it

Never think about that and found it fun tho

[hollow mortar]

Anyone else have the problem in halo infinite where if you scroll past the haunted rubulette coating, the game instantly crashes?

I'm on xbox

[solid canopy]

The reports of outsourcing for Campaign Evolved could be totally overstated and Abstraction could just be handling specific functions of the game. On the other hand it is worth speculating that if Abstraction is doing a lot of work on the remake while Halo Studios acts as co-developer and overseer of the project. In many ways it does kind of sound like what people floated (false) rumors about 343i not developing games anymore and just being franchise maintenance

Obviously to a lesser degree as Halo Studios is still making stuff

But still it does make me wonder about the vision for the series moving forward with things spaced out like that. Now it does bare mentioning that outsourcing is nothing new for this series since 343i took over- The Anniversary games being made by Saber, Certain Affinity's involvement in Halo 4 War Games' development, Digital Extremes handling Halo 4's post launch content, the multiple studios behind MCC's PC port and content additions (Splash Damage, Abstraction, Ruffian Games, ect.), and Halo Infinite's many cosmetics and maps being produced by other studios and contracted talent

Halo 5 seemed to have the least amount of outsourcing for its development with as far as I know Liquid Development being contracted to design and/or model armor variants and props

Games got more complex

Hell, Bungie even had contract workers and outsourced Map Pack development to Certain Affinity

Sure, but what I'm getting at is production levels have grown massively from 25 years ago

Calling in support studios is not an uncommon practice nowadays and while I do have my concerns when it comes to a project's vision or who is in the saddle, we don't fully know all the details

It is totally possible Halo Studios has bigger fish to fry in regards to their projects

Outsourcing isn't inherently a bad thing, time will tell how this turns out

[young oriole]

Do we know who deployed Joyeuse to Zeta Halo, if it wasn't Chief?

[solid canopy]

#lore-and-universe is probably the better place to ask

[young oriole]

Thanks mate

[compact marlin]

And to add on to that if we want to get technical: Not all Halo Games were made by Bungie, 343 or Halo Studios either. A lot of people keep forgetting that the Halo Wars Series was made by a different company. So yeah, this is nothing new

[stoic beacon]

I wonder what kind of game 343 will "take influence from" for halo 7

[plucky flicker]

I'm not joking when I say Kwan's Theme is one of the most warm and memorable tracks in Halo. If you haven't, I recommend listening to it.

[left snow]

Outsourcing is fine... as long as it's to the right companies (like many of the ones you mention).

And I think Halo Studios handling the story, engine, and assets - but farming out the levels to other companies could be a good set up.

That is certianly one way to get multiple projects up and running at the same time - with a good degree of consistency between them all.

[rapid wharf]

I BEAT HALO CE! FOR THE FIRST TIME!

[blissful shard]

My first message here has got to be about H5 campaign, I'm doing my legendary runs and I have to say soloing Halo 5 is pretty painful..
So! Any tips?

[lime forge]

Suffer

[civic sundial]

Noob combo is your best friend against the Covenant. Don't rush and focus on keeping yourself alive above all else, your squadmates can die but they will respawn

Also any time you can get your hands on a Binary Rifle or Incineration Cannon, pick it up

Oh and make sure you pick up the SAW variant on mission 13, it'll tear through the final encounter of that level

[celest heron]

all those warden fights on legendary sound abysmal.

[civic sundial]

Thankfully you can skip the final one

[solid canopy]

When fighting the Warden ground pound the ever living crap out him and hit him in the back

On a side note, I have never played Halo 5 with four people and I wonder how much better it would wind up playing

[civic sundial]

It'd make it easier to hear some alternative versions of some dialogue, such as if Vale is the one to reach the core you destroy at the end first, she has her own version of the dialogue Locke says

[lost trellis]

I thought the only game 343i had heavy outsourcing on was MCC?

[solid canopy]

Outsourcing/collaborating has been present in all their games

[solid canopy]

As I said here

[civic sundial]

Pretty much every AAA game for the past 16 years or so has some work outsourced to other studios. Heck, I worked with a company in India on one of the games I worked on at my old job (Which was making mobile games). It's not an uncommon sight for multiple studios to work on a project

[lost trellis]

I knew they had help from other groups but you kinda make it sound like they did next to nothing but hire other people to do their work.

[solid canopy]

That wasn't my intent

[lost trellis]

My bad then

[solid canopy]

It is why I listed the specific things those studios and teams worked

Obviously I can see how that might sound like 343i didn't do anything because I didn't really detail what they have done

[plush bridge]

[stoic beacon]

My favorite Cortana design is the Halo 2 one. Idk why

[lime forge]

Me too

That's clearly the peak Cortana

[feral vale]

All Cortanas Matter. Except the one in the Paramount show.

[lime forge]

🤮🤮🤮

[solid canopy]

At least Jen Taylor did the voice

The CGI design from the first season was really uncanny, but I didn't hate the Live Action actress they had to play her in season 2

Even if the ADR felt a little off

[winged arch]

Is halo 2 the hardest one? Currently on 10/15 on the levels on legendary, does it get ANY easier after halo 2? 😭

[civic sundial]

Things do get easier. Halo 2 in general is not the most well polished of the franchise (Due to multiple factors during development leading to them not having enough time to properly playtest)

But the games after are much better (For the most part) in terms of balancing and polish

[winged arch]

Thank god🙏 im tired of the sniper jackals and elite ultras tanking 2 rockets directly😩

[civic sundial]

Like sometimes in Reach you'll get one shot by an Elite doing a back kick or in Halo 3 you'll be pinned down by a Flood Ranged form, but those are much more manageable than stuff like the Jackal Snipers, Elite Ultras and Brutes of Halo 2

[winged arch]

Yeah, you have alot more of a chance when youre not getting 1 tapped by a jackal from such a long distance, and isnt halo 2 the only halo where you cant respawn in co-op?

[civic sundial]

If I recall, Halo 2 turns Iron on by default when playing legendary in co-op (I haven't played it in co-op on legendary so I can't confirm)

[winged arch]

Iron?

[civic sundial]

It's one of the skulls, it's the one which reverts you back to the start of the mission in solo and reverts to previous checkpoint in co-op

[winged arch]

Il check if its activated! Just caught me off guard when in reach and CE we could respawn of each other.

Appreciate the help❤️

[winged arch]

Iron isnt on and yet it still has the no respawn thing😩

[outer stag]

Halo

[lime forge]

I helped someone to do the Fanta collab thing on the site for him to have the Fanta skin
And he told me that worked because he could see in the history "fantastic spartan"

But i found it strange because when i did it at the beginning of the event in the history i had "millenium burst"

I did it again today and now i have the "millenium burst" and the "fantastic spartan"

Are they then two différent thing?

[civic sundial]

One's an emblem for Halo Infinite, the other is the armour skin for Campaign Evolved

[lime forge]

Lol so everyone who did it first day only had the emblem?
Or is it random?
Cause on a other discord server i saw lot of screenshot of people showing their "successful" unlock and it was all millenium burst

[civic sundial]

I've not done it yet (Not found a bottle) so I don't know

[grave vortex]

i kid you not arbiter he turned himself into a pickle

and calls himself pickle rick

[feral orbit]

Good point.

[winged arch]

holy, the difficulty difference in halo 2 vs halo 3 odst is actually insane! its so much easier on odst 😭

[coarse dagger]

Muppets?

I was close

[civic sundial]

I think I'd rather have the Muppets honestly

[summer hinge]

[lime forge]

Do you think they are gonna change what 343 Guilty Spark look like in the Remake ?

[celest heron]

maybe they'll make him more detailed.

[tulip tusk]

do u mean the lightbulb or the campaign mission

[umbral trail]

This time he’ll be a cube and have Minecraft skins available.

[spice quest]

Cortana is gonna tell him to be there or be square and he will NOT be there

[umbral trail]

Fr tho, I do wonder if they will do any changes to the dialogue.

[heavy raptor]

Is anyone here more informed about the current controversy regarding the CE reboot? I've seen headlines here and there about what is going on but I'm more interested in a conversation than a YouTube video or something on the topic

Is the release of the game itself going to be affected by whatever is happening?

[shy eagle]

No

[civic sundial]

I don't think that we can discuss that topic here

Also, Campaign Evolved isn't a reboot, it's a remake. They're not resetting the canon

[flint tiger]

Yal think Campaign Evolved gonna include Alpha Base?

[lime forge]

For what?

[stoic beacon]

There will be no new missions between the original ones, so no

[errant cairn]

The prequel missions?

[flint tiger]

Awh

[latent acorn]

There is going to be prequel missions in the CE remake.

[civic sundial]

Should be noted the prequel missions won't be covering events we've already seen in any of the novels as well

[lime forge]

Prequel missions as called prequel cause they take place before the original game

[errant cairn]

Well yea he said there’ll be no new missions. So I was asking about the prequel missions

[lime forge]

He said there will be no new missions between the original ones

[vale swallow]

Top 5 Rage-Bait Weapons : Halo Infinite

1. Commando
2. Ravager Rebound
3. Vestige Carbine
4. Pulse Carbine
5. Shock Rifle

[civic sundial]

I don't know anyone who feels rage-baited by either of the carbines

[random cobalt]

Starting my halo replay with Reach

[shy eagle]

W

[lime forge]

No

You start with CE.

[random cobalt]

I’m going in chronological order not release order

[winged hazel]

i like both carbines unironically

but i mean this is coming from the same person whose spartan mains the serpin armor

[lime forge]

That's an orden

[lost trellis]

I wonder how many ships were are still out in the void avoiding contact fearing the humanity got destroyed.

[nova basalt]

The world is healing ❤️‍🩹

[icy moth]

Hi, so I’ve been trying to tweak the firefight settings in ODST to be as lore accurate as possible. I know you probably can’t get it to feel 100% lore accurate (some weapons might do too much damage, or not enough). Legendary difficulty is the best imo because it has the best ai, but obviously enemies are bullet sponges so boost the player damage. I’m just wondering if anybody has any suggestions to help. Also I’m not sure if this is the best discussion for this question but i figured

[summer hinge]

[stoic beacon]

With Reach

[lime forge]

Don't even talk to me

[simple bison]

try modding

[cold yacht]

Hi, i have a problem with Halo infinite on xbox app. The game crash in the startup loading at mid way. I have my drivers up to date, really good pc, i tried to reinstall the game, verify the game integrity, roll back the nvidia driver. Nothing work. Plz help me i wanna play

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[thorny lantern]

starting with ce makes more sense im with you on thaf

[idle plover]

Anyone have any advice for the Shock Rifle achievement "Watt Say You"? One of the Two PvP achievements I still need to do

[lost trellis]

Yes, lay down and cry because you're using the shock rifle.

after you've weep the proper amount, everything will just fall into place. GL

[nova basalt]

I would play super husky raid. Small map, the enemy is just rushing at you in a group, and the super variant of the shock rifle is very easy to get kills with.
And the randomization makes you more likely to find/spawn with a shock rifle than in regular slayer or BTB

I think that’s better advice than “lay down and cry”

[vale swallow]

Using the commando makes me very angry, as a controller user. I guess it was meant for mkb players?

[north kernel]

Sounds like a skill issue tbh

[subtle vale]

hi guys! who plays halo infinite?

[civic sundial]

Well, they did claim it was a "Rage-Bait" weapon the other day

[subtle vale]

yall just ignoring me?

[lime forge]

Game is dead

[nova basalt]

Yes

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[errant cairn]

It’s pretty easy man

[vale swallow]

I haven't felt this level of disdain for a weapon in any of the previous halos

My only guess is that they were all console-first

[errant cairn]

What does this mean? The commando has a ton of aim assist

It used to be so bad that they had to nerf it

[vale swallow]

I think for a small duration I liked it, but since 2020, they've been nerfing and buffing and re-nurfing and buffing, so who knows which version exactly, but altogether just a total rage-bait of a weapon to use, IMO ofc.

[errant cairn]

I see. It takes a bunch of practice to use. Gotta use short, steady bursts

[celest heron]

it has a a lot of recoil plus the way they made the reticle friction in general combined with the strafing mechanics is probly why it's harder for you.

[sleek hatch]

3 tap, 3 tap, 3 tap.
Easy 9 shot

[celest heron]

were it so easy

[keen scaffold]

i missed a bunch of coatings, charms, and the action pose stance. i didnt even know they came and went in a single day

thats lamr as hell. i was waiting for some kind of announcement or message but i missed tthe stuff i wanted by a month

how is that fair

[nova basalt]

From what? A twitch drop?

[keen scaffold]

yeah,

[celest heron]

the #hcs-chat will usually post links of hcs events that have drops in them. This account will also post when drops are available. https://x.com/HInfiniteNews

[lost escarp]

Hey does anybody wanna play like five minutes?

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[lost escarp]

Ok I just want to play some halo on line for the first time not my first time I’ve played all the campaigns just first time playing online cause I finally got the halo master collection on sale today

[pseudo crescent]

That’s what I say to the people who cry about my noob combo

[celest heron]

yes, you might have a skill issue if you're relying on the noob combo.

[lime robin]

More like nuke combo

[lost trellis]

I think the saddest line in all of Halo is when Truth is talking to the Arbiter about how he thinks the elites were never truly of the faith and Gravemind replies "Lies for the weak, beacons for the deluded!" because, it's true. He's literally had millions of covenant minds formed into his own after infection, He knows all of their deepest darkest secrets and he knows how they all feel. They were either lying to themselves because their faith made them feel powerful or were so corrupted by their faith that their just did what it said because it was a driving force in their life. Nearly none of them truly believed in the faith, only what it did for them, which makes all the pain and suffering it caused so much worse when it's confirmed that next to no one truly cared and only saw the power.

[oblique gyro]

Seamoth

[lime forge]

You know what actually would be a crazy feature ?

That the flood by killing your friends in coop could be able to infect them and that you would then fight them

[honest plaza]

Going through the Halo games chronologically, I do not have an Xbox so Im wondering if its worth it to pay for a month of Xbox cloud gaming to play Halo 5, or should I just skip it when I beat halo 4 and move on to Infinite

[lyric mason]

infection mode on halo infinite

[civic sundial]

Infection in multiplayer isn't really the same as your co-op buddy dying and having their corpse turned into a Flood combat form (Which is a feature in MCC ODST's Flood Firefight)

[lyric mason]

now that would be awesome, but infected spartans are immpossible according to lore, i think their suits blow up

[fathom plaza]

They also drop a nuke I think

[lyric mason]

they are a nuke

[civic sundial]

That's only after the events of the original trilogy that they had that protocol in place in Mjolnir armour. So if Chief hypothetically fell during CE-3 to the Flood, he would've been turned into a combat form

[lyric mason]

well that is terrifying....

[civic sundial]

Good thing he didn't die

And was the only active Spartan in 2552 to fight Flood (As far as we know), since the only other Spartans to have encountered the Flood by that point were Red Team in Halo Wars 1 but they were busy napping on the Spirit of Fire

[lyric mason]

jerome did

he beat them with a chair lol

[civic sundial]

He wasn't active in 2552 when he did that

Like, the incident with the Flood on the Spirit of Fire happened before then

And afterwards he went back to bed

[lyric mason]

i do not know 100%, the spirit of fire timeline is odd lol

[lime forge]

I'm obviously refering about campaign

[civic sundial]

Ok, so the Spirit of Fire was drifting with no Slipspace Drive from 2531 to 2559. In 2537 is when there was the Flood incident on the ship, which is when Jerome was woken up to deal with it

[lyric mason]

so 15 years later

[outer stag]

Halo

[plush bridge]

[sturdy wadi]

Hi by any chance does anyone know anyone from the mandalorian halo community?

[celest heron]

yeah, I'm sure that won't cause any issues..

[glacial tartan]

You also have to account for hops! Its never a straight line, and even large edge routers will add some kind of latency

[celest heron]

yeah, but you're basically putting a spotlight on it when it otherwise might not of even been known during encounters. Even your example was a negative one.

[celest heron]

every area doesn't have fiber either and a lot of people aren't on the best connections.

[civic sundial]

Well there's not gonna be a multiplayer component beyond co-op campaign so I don't think there's much point in having a custom games browser

Like, nobody is gonna want to use a CGB for co-op campaign when they can just grab a friend instead

[civic sundial]

The key part of what I said is that there's not going to be a multiplayer component

[winged hazel]

if they continue on this path i'd reckon halo 7 will probably be on playstation too

[glacial tartan]

There could be campaign matchmaking again. That would be pretty interesting. Especially if its dedicated servers, which seems unlikely but still. Im hoping for dedicated servers either way

[spare finch]

since Collection Conquer hasn’t shown up for me for months, I replayed halo 3 legendary on the playlist instead of mission select

and I still need to do two more legendary playlists iirc

[jade pebble]

This was a really big bummer for me :/

[civic sundial]

The fact campaign matchmaking was only in Reach on 360 annoys me

What?

[civic sundial]

Eh, I imagine it's so it isn't immediately overshadowed by the next project they release, which likely will include a multiplayer. H2A MP had a similar issue (Alongside also being overshadowed by all the issues MCC had back in 2014)

[nova basalt]

I would be happy if the new ce had multiplayer, but no customization and forced team colors

I love customization but it would be authentic

[jade pebble]

Yooo even just that would be cool halo CE is my favorite in both campaign and multiplayer so I feel kinda burned but o well :/ like its multiplayer should be just as celebrated especially since it’s coming out this year and they’re making a big deal about halos 25th

[civic sundial]

You got it the wrong way round, the next major project's multiplayer would overshadow the CEmake's multiplayer

Like, most people don't remember or H2A's multiplayer because that was overshadowed by Halo 5 being on its way, the multiplayers for the other Halo games within MCC existing and all the issues MCC had at launch

A similar thing would happen for a CEmake multiplayer since it's highly unlikely they would plan to support it long term

[celest heron]

curious if they would leave in sprint or take it out of mp since it's optional.

[civic sundial]

What would you be searching for in a CGB in Campaign Evolved?

Like, there would be no custom games

Most people aren't going to be using a CGB to find people to play campaign with

Like, they're gonna want to play it with people they know 9 times out of 10

And just because they're using UE5 to make the game, that doesn't mean they'll be adding in any multiplayer maps to Campaign Evolved

If it has Blood Gulch and Hang 'Em High and nothing else, people are gonna complain they didn't put any effort into the multiplayer

I'm going off of my experience playing other games which allow you to play their campaigns in co-op and feature a CGB-like feature. Nobody was using those features to play campaigns

You and I both know that joining a custom games lobby in MCC isn't joining someone else playing campaign

[prisma meadow]

Ikr

[flint coral]

game servers down? I'm stuck on the multiplayer menu loading screen

matter of fact I can't get access to either game's servers.
Can't load infinite nor MCC

[hard skiff]

H2A mp was the future of modern, classic halo sadly

[fathom plaza]

What do y'all think the new 3 prequel missions in Halo Campaign Evolved will be? I lwk have no idea what they could fit between Reach and The Pillar of Autumn

and apparently entirely new enemies? maybe Huragok are gonna be in it finally?

[civic sundial]

The missions were confirmed to be focused on Chief and Johnson and set before Reach fell

[fathom plaza]

that sounds exciting

[civic sundial]

My bet is they'll be set in the 2540s as there's plenty of room there to fit in a story about the two working together, especially since they've also said the missions aren't going to be retelling any of the novels

[fathom plaza]

Like on Reach?

or pre-Reach

[civic sundial]

Before Reach

We just don't know the exact when or where yet

[sudden saffron]

What skins would you like to see in a Halo x Overwatch Collab?
My Predictions are:
Emre-MasterChief
Soldier-Fred
Ana-Linda
Sojourn-Kelly
Echo-Cortana
Torb-Grunt
Winton or Reinhardt-Tartarus

[brisk agate]

Apex collab

[brisk agate]

.

[sudden saffron]

not really a response to my question so idkh to replay.

[digital crag]

Hey guys im trying to install halo 4 in master chief collection im currently playing roblox while waiting for it to download but its not downloading should I be on the screen waiting for it to install?

[glacial tartan]

Confirm you have enough space for it

[digital crag]

well I do it was installing but when I closed it and open it it stopped downloading

[sleek hatch]

Had a friend deal with this.
Wouldn't let him install.
If you are on PC, verify the game files, press windows+R, and then type wsreset and press enter. Then reset PC.
If that doesn't work. Uninstall-reinstall

Dm me if you need help

[digital crag]

Ok I’ll try that

[stoic beacon]

I know how 343's games could have been better. Instead of giving everyone Sprint they should have given everyone Armor Lock. YES! And make Sprint a separate armor ability. Does Halo 5 even have armor abilities? Wait, who cares about Halo 5 anyway.

[civic sundial]

Plenty of people care about Halo 5

It's definitely more than 6 people

It's not as simple as that

Much of Halo 5 was designed to run at 60fps as much as possible, which means it's a bit trickier to make a PC version. Had Microsoft decided to do their push for games releasing on PC again a year earlier, I imagine we would've had PC Halo 5 day one

If only it was as simple as someone saying that

And the older Halo games didn't get put into MCC with the hopes of potentially making a PC version years later. Remember, MCC originally released in 2014 on the Xbox One

It was only years later after plenty of fan demand that 343 and Microsoft decided it was a worthwhile project to bring MCC to PC

Halo 5 came out before they started bringing games to PC again, not after

[hard skiff]

Funny thing is someone modded h5 forge to be able to run at 120-240 fps. It’s possible, 343 don’t want that tho

They don’t really make benefit from an h5 port

[civic sundial]

It's not as simple as finding a way to bump up the frame rate, they would need to playtest the whole game multiple times to make sure they've found any and all bugs which would arrise from doing so

[hard skiff]

The only bugs is shooting rate, jumps being changed, etc

[civic sundial]

You would hope, but having tested games in the industry, I can assure you, plenty more bugs would likely be there too

And you really don't want to have a situation where someone has an advantage because they can jump higher or shoot faster based on having a different framerate to someone else based on how powerful their PC is

[hard skiff]

I 100% agree

[latent pasture]

yall how old is noble team im genuinely curious

[civic sundial]

They vary in age, since the team is made up of multiple S-IIIs from two different companies and a Spartan-II, Jorge

[latent pasture]

ah reason i am curious cause i herd noble 6 was a kid when chief was active

[stoic beacon]

I know that noble 6 is 22 during the game

[latent pasture]

wow i thought he was younger since i heard spartan 3 are young in lore

[civic sundial]

Carter was 32, Kat was 22, Jun was 28 (But he also lived so he's older now), Emile was 29, Jorge was 41 and Six was 22

[latent pasture]

wow

i never knew that i gotta look for more noble team lore

[civic sundial]

There really isn't much beyond what's in Halo Reach

Like, we got a Waypoint Chronicle a few years back set before the Reach live action trailer where Thom dies but not much else before or since

[sturdy kernel]

Dang
I am sharing the same age with Six and Kat

[spice quest]

It would be neat having them in a story that had an actual plot and everything, a novel or a comic or something

[civic sundial]

I do think it is a missed opportunity to give them a full novel back in 2011

[spice quest]

Or at any point since!

[quick bone]

Excluded from Halo BTB vc

Wtf

[digital crag]

Hey I solved it just for a note the game has to update and it will fix

[sleek hatch]

Are you on xbox app or steam?

[digital crag]

steam

[autumn forum]

should Halo need to be on mobile? I mean Android and iOS
and no, not in the sense of bringing back Spartan Assault and Spartan Strike

[unborn stirrup]

i need help, my Halo MCC is stuttering and isnt smooth despite hitting 400+ HZ, im on a high end PC, 5090, 64 GB DDR5 Ram, i9 13900k, even if i turn everything to low, it stutters, i have fixed it before but i forgot how, idk what changed, its really annoying, anyone know a fix?

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[cunning widget]

Hey, I presume I'm a massive outlier in this but recently I've started really disliking Halo Reach's multiplayer. I used to love it when I was a kid and I know its regarded as one of the best Halo games and is extremely beloved however every time I'm in a match I simply don't enjoy it. (Not speaking of the Campaing nor custom games, just online matchmaking) The way the game feels just isn't satisfying to me and compared to other titles the maps in Halo Reach are pretty lack-luster. I am aware my opinion on this is quite unique however I've recently been wondering why more people don't feel this way (at least openly).

Does anybody here empathise with this? I'm curious because a large amount of people on most online halo groups that I see generally project that Halo Reach's multiplayer is absolutely amazing etc but I just don't see the enjoyment, at least anymore.

[sullen owl]

Enjoyment waxes and wanes. Have you recently played something that excels in an area where you see Reach lacking? Most, not all, feelings of lack luster have a comparison point to draw those feelings from. Even if you don't recognize it actively, it's bouncing around in your head somewhere. Could also simply be boredom of having seen every nook and cranny too many times to count.

[glacial tartan]

I did the Inheritor grind twice back on Reach's release. I really don't enjoy the multiplayer now. It may be directly related to how easy it is to play other games in the collection simultaneously, I'm sure the context matters for me. But its hard for me to enjoy how asymmetric almost every game of Reach feels 😄

[cunning widget]

Halo 3... every time I play Halo 3 multiplayer it's just an absolute blast. It's fun, it's cool, it's exciting, I laugh, I find it easier to play competently simply due to the way the game feels. Whenever I play Halo Reach's multiplayer I just get annoyed and don't feel as much satisfaction when I do well or appear on the top end of the scoreboard. It's like I only feel the negative parts of it because I don't find the game as engaging to play in general - the maps are much less interesting in terms of layout, graphically and the actual idea of the map, the guns feel quite sluggish and I think the way the projectiles act feels more random. I don't know how to explain it exactly but I just think the game feels less enjoyable compared to Halo 3, it's like I'm trying to get my spartan to do stuff where as in Halo 3 my spartan just does the thing and it feels natural. It could also be due to the UI and the moving crosshair, maybe its tricking my brain into thinking the guns are less accurate or something

The physics are less arcade like in Halo Reach as well and I'm not a huge fan of that, and I think the armour abilities aren't as cool or fun to use as the powerups and equipment from Halo 3

[sullen owl]

That's fair. Halo 3 was the capstone to a trilogy where each game was more polished than the one before it. Halo Reach was a bit more experimental, and in a lot of ways those experimental changes didn't appeal to Halo 3 enjoyers.

[cunning widget]

Yeah literally Halo 3 is just flawless and it will never not be enjoyable, it's like the perfect Halo experience, having said that I remember really liking Halo 5's multiplayer but you could argue that Halo Reach - Halo 5 is the progression equivalent of Halo CE to Halo 3 in terms of gameplay

idk though I spent loads of hours on Reach as a kid and I loved it, but as an adult it just doesn't hit the same - perhaps Halo 3 is just more timeless due to the design being more solid and grounded and Halo Reach's less orthodox nature as a game was only great for a time?

Ironically I think Halo Reach's campaign has become more enjoyable for me as an adult at least in terms of the artistry and storytelling of it as I have a deeper understanding of the lore and am more emotionally intelligent than my childhood self lol

[sleek hatch]

The aiming and movement 60Hz or greater makes the game feel weird. Is Bloom there still?

[sleek hatch]

Dm me

[elfin cradle]

Halo 3 was the Peak of the experience, 4, 5, and Infinite are completely different games that rode the hype of CE, 2, and 3 until nothing original was left. honestly the Cursed Halo mods are more faithful to Halo because they actually are Halo.

you know what, here's some controversy, Red vs Blue's Freelancers are the most accurate post Halo 3 Spartans in the series.

[waxen spire]

ok

[civic sundial]

And what about the post-Bungie Halos makes them "Not Halo"? Because last I checked, those games all have Halo on the cover and are based around the same core concepts as those older Halo games in terms of gameplay. They just try different things, which is a good thing because if a series cannot experiment with its formula, it risks dying much faster from stagnation

[civic sundial]

Look, I have allot of love for RvB, but the Freelancers are very much not the most accurate Spartans in the series (Not sure what you mean by post Halo 3, Red Vs Blue isn't canon to Halo, never has been)

[elfin cradle]

opinion. not fact

[civic sundial]

No, it's a fact that Red Vs Blue isn't canon to Halo

Like, at the end of the day, Red Vs Blue is basically Halo fanfiction to try and explain why there's two teams fighting in the multiplayer

[swift radish]

I think halo 4 was the last game that still felt original, after that the rest felt like either bootlegs of other popular games or trying to mimic the originals

Halo 5 definitely tried to mimic movement shooters like titanfall

And infinite was totally trying to go back to the bungie style but flopped

[digital crag]

Lowkey idk why reach is even in mcc ngl they should add halo infinite and replace it with reach

[swift radish]

Games in mcc are ones that aren't supported on their own anymore

So games from the 360 and before

[digital crag]

Ohhhh ok

Makes sense appreciate it

Wb halo 5?

[swift radish]

Halo 5 was released on the xbox one after mcc had released

[digital crag]

Ohh ok

[swift radish]

I believe mcc released 2014, and Halo 5 2015

[digital crag]

Yea haven’t played it since it’s only on Xbox so I would have hopes it was on mcc or at least pc for me to buy

Ig reach makes sense then

Ty

[swift radish]

No problem

[digital crag]

Ima let my friend know that too

I’ll let him know when we play

[celest heron]

A lot of the maps are made from forge so they're all grey and there's also lighting bloom on some of them which can annoy the eyes. The weapons have bloom so it's literally random where your shot will land if you're not pacing and the abilities break maps and can get really annoying if someone takes advantage of that.

It was fun back in the day on the 360, but when you have other options now that don't have those issues, it can be less appealing.

[cunning widget]

There's no way you can say Halo 5 mimicked Titanfall but Halo 4 was original? Halo 4 literally copied call of duty by adding kill cams, killstreaks, a loadout system & sprint. It was so obvious and it got a lot of scrutiny for it.

I think Halo 4's multiplayer is pretty good and Halo 5's multiplayer is really good, but I don't consider them as Halo games - I think they excel as sci fi games but the are so completely different that they don't feel like Halo at all.

[cunning widget]

Yeah that too there's barely any real maps since the game relies on Forge creations with half of them being remakes of maps from other Halo games as well. Don't get me wrong Reach has a great selection of maps, it just absolutely pales in comparison to Halo 3 or even Halo 2

[cunning widget]

I agree with the second half of this and your next message as well, and the bloom explains what I'm feeling about the guns/spartan not "playing ball" so to speak

[civic sundial]

What makes a Halo game "a Halo game" then?

[wooden jackal]

Its a halo game if you're playing it with me right now. Anyone want to join halo 2 custom match?

[swift radish]

Yeah gameplay wise h4 was a massive rip of cod but storywise it still tried something new and still had a halo feel to it

[civic sundial]

What about the gameplay made it a rip off of COD?

[swift radish]

I think if H4 didn't have prometheans people would look back at it more fondly and consider an installment in the halo franchise

[cunning widget]

I literally explained it in the previous message you replied to bro xD

[swift radish]

Pretty much the entire multiplayer

[civic sundial]

Kill cams, loadouts and sprint are things which have been in plenty more games than just COD. None of those really make a game "COD". Unless you're gonna try convincing people that Battlefield is actually COD now? As for kill streaks, I assume you mean the ordinance drops? Which were only weapons and powerups like the Overshield and Speed Boost. Last I checked, we didn't gain the ability to call in an airstrike from using ordinance or activate a UAV or summon an attack dog or use an AC130 in Halo 4

Like, in the sense they rewarded you getting more kills, sure it's a similar mechanic, but outside of that, it's pretty different

[idle plover]

Been out of the loop for MCC's PvP, but for challenges and achievements that say "in matchmaking/matchmade games", are they strictly bound to matchmaking? or was there some change I may have missed?

[cunning widget]

I had a hunch that you were going to make the "but other games have these features too" point and I feel like it's a pretty weak argument because while other games such as battlefield have a class system, they do it in a different way that is intrinsically a staple point of battlefield in terms of the classes being more role based, whereas in Halo 4 343 did their class/loadout system EXCACTLY like the way it is in call of duty where you can just make whatever you want that you have unlocked.

Besides that isn't inherently relevant here because the elephant in the room relating to the "cod copy" criticism is that 343 industries was purposefully created with employees who HATED Halo and wanted to drastically change the franchise (which is what happened) and remember that in 2012 Halo had just come from its absolute peak of influence within the gaming industry and in popularity off of the back of Halo 3 & Halo Reach, and the only other shooter game that had that level of reverence was Halo's biggest competitor, the Call Of Duty franchise.

https://www.imdb.com/news/ni65685562/

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/making-i-halo-4-i-a-story-about-triple-a

It's so obvious that those mentioned features are a direct influence of Call Of Duty. And on your counterargument on the kill streaks/ordinance drops, you've not actually addressed what I was getting at at all - the fact that the actual kill/score rewards are different in Halo 4 than they are in Call Of Duty (even though there are very comparable kill streaks that you didn't mention such as getting a grenade launcher or a death machine being akin to getting a power weapon or damage boost) have nothing to do with the actual system of getting rewarded for breaching a certain amount of points or score which is an identical premise between Halo 4 and Black Ops 2 (which came out in the same year). Even though they are executed in slightly different ways, the core idea of the score-streak system is the same.

[civic sundial]

Ah, you're using the misquote about how they supposedly hired people who hated Halo. I see where this is going

[cunning widget]

The differences you pointed out are more to do with the game being different in general and being a different kind of experience such as Call Of Duty being more Hollywood and fast paced than Halo, but having said that there are undeniably similarities in the way that Halo 4's multiplayer was constructed and in the way that Black Ops 2's multiplayer was constructed which are those things that I mentioned.

Put it this way, if it wasn't for the call of duty franchise, do you think that Halo 4 would have those attributes? Especially when you consider the 343 hiring people who hate halo thing

[civic sundial]

Halo Reach added loadouts first, it was an idea Bungie wanted to add all the way back in Halo 2. The natural next step to a loadout system is to give players custom loadouts

[coarse dagger]

Here's the full context of that "we hired people that hated Halo" quote

"We had people who we hired who hated Halo because of 'X,'" says O'Connor. "But what that really meant was, 'I feel like this game could be awesome because of 'Y input' that I'm going to bring into it. I want to prove it, and I'm passionate about proving it.' So we ended up with a bunch of people who were genuinely passionate about the product. That is a huge advantage, and that helped in hiring and forming our team."
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/making-i-halo-4-i-a-story-about-triple-a
Hated was more than likely a much stronger word that Frank meant to use at the time, but you rarely get to follow up / clarify these things before they're cemented in

[cunning widget]

No, I cited 2 articles that literally say exactly that and DIRECTLY quote Frank O'Conner, the Franchise Development Director at the time of Halo 4's creation who said and I quote "We had people who we hired who hated Halo because of 'X". They also literally said this outright in multiple videos

[cunning widget]

Halo Reach's loadouts were select starting points that could not be changed by the player outside of creating a forge map/gamemode and are more unique to that game and aren't a particularly violent change which Halo 4 was imo

[latent acorn]

That has been taken out of context too many times. If fans had paid more close attention in context then there wouldn’t be “we hired who hate Halo”

[civic sundial]

Again, the natural evolution of the system in Reach was giving players custom loadouts. 343 didn't make the decision to give players custom loadouts because they wanted to copy COD. It was seeing where Bungie left off in Reach in terms of the gameplay and systems and going from there. Like, this can be seen with a majority of the gameplay design in Halo 4, which is in many ways just a more refined version of Reach

[cunning widget]

Well was it too-strong a word? These interviews will have been meticulously planned out and scripted and if he used the word "hated" I don't think that it would have been entirely inaccurate to the opinions of the colleagues he was referring to at the time

Look at how drastically different Halo 4 was from the original trilogy or even Halo Reach, the weapons, the sound effects and overall sound, the music, the art style, the status quo of the master chief as a character, added QuickTime events, the way the enemies behave and the AI, the literal retconning of the original forerunner lore.

They completely and undeniable overhauled the franchise with Halo 4 and went in a totally different direction from the Original trilogy, you can very clearly point out how Halo 4 is a drastic and violent change of direction and I think it falls very in line with the Frank O'Conner quotation.

[cunning widget]

Can you explain because Frank O'Conner literally said this directly and it's by definition not taken out of context

[coarse dagger]

Frank provided the context

[cunning widget]

Yes I read the whole thing, they hired people who hated halo but had specific reasons for their dislike of the franchise that they genuinely felt would make the game better

[civic sundial]

Halo 4 didn't retcon Forerunner lore. If you're talking about humanity being Forerunner, that was disproven back in Halo 3 via the Terminals, which were signed off by the team leads on Halo 3. If they didn't agree with that being in the game, then they would've changed it

[coarse dagger]

If you think that everyone in a dev studio is going to agree on everything and be on the same page about everything over the lifycycle of a project, you're pretty heavily mistaken. People are going to disagree and want to see their ideas take form, while they iterate through developement. They'll like things and dislike things, it's pretty rare that people will like absolutely every single part of a project

[civic sundial]

Can confirm from experience with that. The games I worked on had plenty of decisions I didn't like

[latent acorn]

Frank did provide the in context. The fans who hate Halo was poor choice of words and taken way out of context.

[cunning widget]

I think the Forerunner thing is more up to interpretation, Halo 3's terminals were left quite ambiguous imo. You can look many things that point out the original intention with the Forerunners being human such as the cutscene with 343 guilty spark the start of two betrayals in CE where he mistakes the chief for who would later be written to be the iso didact, the fact that all of the forerunner technology is exclusively accessible by humans in the original trilogy, at the scrapped ending for Halo 2 that shows the original intention with the lore and ultimately it was 343 who took the initiative on making the Forerunners not human.

Even if that point of them retconning the forerunners is completely indefensible etc, it's only one thing I mentioned off of the top of my head and there are many points that clearly identify Halo 4 as being very different in terms of direction for the franchise and it's absolutely undeniable.

[winged hazel]

speaking of being taken out of context!

i don't remember it ever being implied that humans equal forerunner or vice versa

[cunning widget]

I also don't think this really adds a lot of value to this particular discussion as it's debating on whether or not Halo 4 took inspiration from the Call Of Duty franchise and the fact a large team of people working on a project might have different outlooks on what may be best for that project would actually be more in line with what my point in the sense that they purposefully hired people to make the opinions of their workforce more diverse and in particular had something they felt strongly negative about in relation to the previous Halo games. I never for once denied that people are going to be people and if you have a bunch of them working on something that they're gonna have different ideas on how that thing should be done.

[civic sundial]

People within Bungie had differing takes on whether Forerunners and humanity were one and the same or not, ultimately the terminals revealed they were different

Wait? I think I accidentally replied to the wrong person, my bad

[cursive crypt]

Whether or not the Forerunners were retconed is not the most interesting question to me. Ask yourself if the Retcon was good.

If the Forerunners are Human then we are to believe that Ancient Humans once roamed the stars, build gigantic Halo rings, the whole ark, created AI's like Guilty Spark that lasted 100,000 years and then we forgot all of that to bang rocks together for 90,000 years. How do you explain how Humans were devovled? How do you explain how we lost all of that knowledge? There had to be some explanation and I haven't heard a good one yet.

[winged hazel]

yeah but still, halo 4 didn't exactly retcon anything meaningful if at all, if that makes sense

[civic sundial]

Indeed, it's not like anything big was lost by humanity and Forerunners being different

[cunning widget]

I presume you meant to reply to my message then? This doesn't really refute what I was saying anyway with the terminals being left more ambiguous because the terminals are a reflection of the workers having different takes at the time

[cunning widget]

Yeah I think I agree with this because the original forerunners thing can't for sure be known due to the complicated nature of the way Bungie left it

[latent acorn]

Humanity are not Forerunners. H3 never had a proper writer doing the story. Had Joseph Staten been involved in the writing of H3, it would be the same “Humans and Forerunners are two different species. If H2’s original plan went through ending the story as part two (if more developement time was made to come out in late 2005 or 2006) it might’ve been a different story outcome as maybe (but no guarantee) human and forerunners are the same. But it would be seen and viewed as anti-climactic. Not the way would come out as. So it is good thing both Humans and Forerunners are two different species, not the same.

[civic sundial]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the skeleton seen in the cut ending storyboard was simply just the artist drawing a skeleton for the sake of going "There will be a body in there, it's a human one in the storyboard because I know how to draw one but don't know what direction we're going for the Forerunners"

[spice quest]

Besides the hands I imagine Forerunner skeletons would look pretty similar to humans

[solid canopy]

I mean based on comments from Bungie devs reflecting on things, humans and forerunners were intended to be the same species. Obviously visions on this changed over time with how that would actually work with things like the idea of them being humans uplifted by the Precursors, that idea would shift and evolve over time into what we got with the Forerunner Trilogy

I do wonder how much impact Chloe Bear suggesting Bornstellar having a human sidekick impacted things

Ultimately I am fine with how things worked out as I think
A: it doesn't really ruin the story for me
B: Greg Bear's writing is outstanding
C: I think it was probably a better direction to go with things long term

It is pretty heavily hinted at that Humans and Forerunners are two branches on the same tree, so to speak, so really- humans are forerunners, they just branched off somewhere down the line

Which even then goes back to the Bungie notion of Forerunners being "uplifited" humans

The Librarian makes reference to Earth containing the keys to the Forerunner's own past, which would suggest a shared origin with humanity. So running with that idea it is totally possible Forerunners were a specific group of humans which got pulled away to what would become their home-planet, Ghibalb. Eventually the two groups would run back into one another when the Flood arrived and Humanity was running

[hasty hedge]

What if we had the ability to holster both our weapons, have a whole animation of reaching back, and when unarmed you get a speed increase?
Call it double time. (Reach reference)

Just hold the switch weapons button to holster it and you'll get the speed boost that's noticeable than sprinting but the draw back is slower sprint to fire speed.

[livid cobalt]

Will Halo remake be good?

Any fortune tellers welcome

[civic sundial]

Infinite had an unarmed state which was used only in the firing range and the multiplayer tutorial, but never really had any application elsewhere in the game (A shame as I think having the campaign start us off with no weapons could've been a really fun way to spice things up). Honestly, I think it's a shame it wasn't an option in custom games or something we could get to by dropping both weapons by holding the weapon swap button (Infinite only allows you to drop one weapon once you've picked one up)
Not sure that I agree with the idea of us gaining a speed boost when not holding any weapons in our hands. I know they do something similar in other games like NuMarathon for when you're running with the knife out but I don't think being unarmed needs to give us a speed increase

[hasty hedge]

Right the Academy area.
I don't mind it being a setting to test out whether the speed boost is favorable or nah in matchmaking

[left snow]

Yeah. It will be good. It's not my cup of tea but it will do well and increase the Halo fan base (Playstation). And lead to a succession of remakes that all come together in a new Unreal Engine MCC type collection.

And you will live well into your mid-90's - ultimately passing in a weird marshmallow tragedy.

Oh sorry - you didn't want to know your fortune...

[civic sundial]

You saw the weird marshmallow tragedy in someone's future too?

[lime forge]

Terminals were made by a spécific team

Joe Staten admitted indirectly various time that forerunners and human where indeed the same

I mean you just have to listen to Guilty Spark lines

[civic sundial]

They still had to be approved by other people at Bungie

[lime forge]

Joe Staten already told what the real end for Halo 2 was supposed to be and what Arbiter would have encounter in the arch

[lime forge]

I don't remember well the detail but i think they were made really lately in the développement

[sturdy kernel]

Guilty spark was rampant saying that Chief are forerunner

[lime forge]

Ok and he was rampant in Halo CE also?

Hé always had strange référence and lines through the story

They don't make sense if humans weren't forerunner

And if i'm wrong i'm sure we we'll see those Line in the remake right ? 🙂

[fallen wren]

Hello guys

[vivid turtle]

Hello

[light hinge]

hi :]

[cursive crypt]

I could tell you the Librarian was rampant when she revealed the Humans and Forerunners were different in Halo 4.

[civic sundial]

That wasn't when we learnt they were different

Also, even if you didn't read the Terminals in Halo 3, the Didact being very distinctly not a human is a very clear indicator in Halo 4 that humanity and Forerunners are not the same

[stoic beacon]

So you're really saying that two paragraphs that Frankie wrote outweight the rest of Bungie's lore?

[lime forge]

I wasn't sure that he was behind the terminals but i heard that Somewhere i knew it

[civic sundial]

No. What I'm saying is that regardless of who wrote it, humanity and Forerunners being separate is something which was confirmed long before Halo 4 via Halo 3's Terminals. As I have already said, people at Bungie had differing takes on what Forerunners should've been, because contrary to what some people think, not everyone agreed on things within Bungie during the development of the Halo games. If the confirmation in the Terminals was an issue, the people who approved what was written in the Terminals would've asked for it to be changed

[civic sundial]

Multiple people wrote the terminals, not just Frank

[lime forge]

No but he was part of it

Anyway what this guy or this guy think about it doesn't matter, what really matter was the intent of the main writter of the saga

We saw what happened when he wasn't involved in H3

H3 was bad in comparison with the before games

[civic sundial]

Frank O'Connor, Damian Isla, Robert McLees and Rob Stokes wrote them, Bungie management still vetted them

[fallen wren]

Say that again please

[lime forge]

You can't deny that in term of storytelling H3 is the worst of the first trilogy.

Some point of the story were handled very bad

[fallen wren]

Ok

[lime forge]

And some characters even worse

I'm just talking about the story, in many other aspects the game is better than the others

[civic sundial]

This is the one thing I will agree with you on, Halo 3's storytelling is the worst in the original Halo trilogy

[celest heron]

Will likely be good, but will leave people wishing more things were in it.

[cursive crypt]

.....

I don't even know how to respond

[lime forge]

I was talking in a story aspect

Not overall

[lime forge]

Lol this is not the case ?

[spice quest]

I think it was about how information was handled in each game. In CE the mystery was everything, so it was fine that we got a more limited view on what the enemy was doing. But then Halo 2 giving us a Covenant point of view gave us antagonists and pretty interesting and compelling ones at that. Halo 3 could have continued that better by showing us more about what Truth and his faction were doing, more than in just his last moments with Johnson.

[lime forge]

But Truth is handled poorly

Is seems like a crazy and sénile character, nothing like he was in the second game

[spice quest]

If there were like 4 or 5 cutscenes with him showing that he isn't always like that, or that show how he gets there, it would be a much better story.

[cursive crypt]

Halo 3 Prophets were better. And Halo 3 stands on its own as a terrific game. It doesn't need Halo 1 or Halo 2. That is just backstory. Halo 3 works fine on its own.

Within the first 3 missions H3 recaps pretty much everything from the first 2 games and it covers these plot points better than H1 and H2 did.

Truth's introduction in H3 is way better than his intro in H2. I don't know how you can think differently.

Within 1 minute we are introduced to Johnson and the Arbiter with their best lines in the entire series. We get that Humans had been at war with Elites but are allied now. Then Truth introduces himself in Crow's nest and the plot never stops to take a breath. The pacing is so much faster and action packed.

The H3 tank missions are better than the tank mission in H1 and H2. All of the vehicle missions are better, including the Hornet. And honestly, I prefer the early missions where we don't have Cortana. It is annoying to have a little blue voice constantly telling me what to do and where to go. It reminds me of how annoying Navi is in Ocarina of TIme.

One of the reasons so many people love 343 Guilty Spark from Halo 1 is that Cortana is gone and not trying to tell me how to play the game anymore.

[civic sundial]

You must've played a different Halo 3, because I do not remember the game featuring a recap of both Combat Evolved or Halo 2 beyond Miranda briefly talking about Truth arriving at Earth at the end of Halo 2

[cursive crypt]

It recaps all of the important points. Everything else is filler.

[civic sundial]

I wouldn't call "Miranda briefly talking about Truth arriving at Earth" recapping the important points

[lost trellis]

To be fair it overall does. At that point in time what else really matters other then the Flood at High Charity and that gets explained later in Halo 3 by the reinforcing elites. “halo was stopped, truth came to earth and knocked out everyone who stayed.” The older games didn’t really care for the books nor did they have some extremely over the top plot that goes nowhere or trying to be overly emotional like today’s Halo games. It was very “point me to the bad guys and give me a gun to shoot them.” Not eve joking that’s literally even apart of the plot of Halo 2. Thel just wants enemies in his sights and doesn’t at all think about what’s going on around him until he’s starring down a hammer. Dude eve said “oh the Prophets are gonna get you for the Tartarus!” He wasn’t paying attention at all lol

[wise olive]

So I had a thought about a topic that could be discussed, but 1st of all, how much info do we have on Ancient Humans?

[vale swallow]

I am all for an early halo camp-e release. It is the right move if it gets decided to be so.

[spice quest]

We got some

[wise olive]

I'm listening.

[spice quest]

We know about their leadership (the Lord of Admirals and Yprin Yprikushma), some worlds they had (like Charum Hakkor), some of their tech (ships powerful enough to fight Forerunners and sterilize worlds against the Flood), and generally what they were capable back before they got in a war with the Forerunners (with their alliance with the San Shyuum they were the second power in the galaxy after the Forerunners). We know that they liked feeding weird stuff to their space dogs lol.

Generally they are really cool and I'm glad that the decision to separate Forerunners and Ancient Humans gave us characters like the Lord of Admirals, he's straight up the second or third coolest character of the Flood War era.

[wise olive]

Gotcha! Thanks.

[stoic beacon]

"No but actually yes"

[placid galleon]

So, how DID the Covenant find humanity, and Earth? (Idk much lore)

[rugged quartz]

For lore questions remember there's always #lore-and-universe but regret found it using a luminary on meridian

[placid galleon]

Ahh, Thank you!

[small cradle]

After playing every campaign on the MCC + Spartan Ops, I have decided that 2, 3 and Reach are my favourite games

3 would be above 2 but they took away my dual wield needler combo I use specifically on Grunts I don’t particularly like, plus I liked playing as Thel in 2, his levels were a bit of a slog but very worth it
3 has its merits, the one segment with the Hornet was one of them
ODST felt very lonely, which was very fitting, but also made me feel a bit wrong when I wasn’t playing one of the flashback levels and was just in Mombasa
Combat Evolved was alright. The later Flood levels were painful to go through, though
Reach’s campaign was fun in an adrenaline-hit sort of way, only real gripe I have is the lack of starting customisation for multiplayer
4 was…okay? I liked it, loved the look of it (reminded me of Doom 2016), but something just felt off about it to me

Shame 5 and Infinite’s campaign aren’t included in the collection though, I’m hooked

i think i will try Infinite’s multiplayer next

[cursive crypt]

I am hecka addicted to Halo Infinite's Classic Firefight

[cerulean thicket]

Very true

[lost trellis]

The classic campaigns are IMO too iconic to properly rank because they're all so good that it boils down to your exact personal preferences. It's not like 4, 5 and Infinite where there are two stories that are actually trying and one that is feels like it's actively trying to get you to drive your head into a wall.

[pseudo crescent]

Infinites campaign is so buns

[winged hazel]

i'm liking it so far

[lost trellis]

One thing that I noticed and loads of other people seem to have as well is that it's cutscenes are very clearly mocapped in a studio. Everytime one starts the scenes never do anything then just have people walking around and talking to each other. It's weird and really takes you out of the game once you notice it.

[pseudo crescent]

Infinite is a soulless game, if it wasn’t the best platform for me to play spartan barbie it’d have 0 redeeming qualities. That’s just me tho

[lost trellis]

totally fair. IMO I can't stomach playing Infinite because of the store. Something about it just drains the soul out of me.

[pseudo crescent]

The multiplayer is okay, just doesn’t feel like halo. I’m admittedly a sucker for the store but thankfully the prices are enough to keep me away. Only bought 2 armor sets and 1 battle pass (still about $60 btw)

Love mcc but I wish more people queued for games other than reach and h3

[pseudo crescent]

I just do not care for the story at all. I’m a little sour about all the forerunner retcons from h4 but once I met the librarian I completely lost interest

Not the librarian, the harbinger

[winged hazel]

there were no forerunner retcons

[pseudo crescent]

Erm…

Who’s gonna tell him…

Practically everything we know about them gets wiped clean in h4

[whole glade]

i get alot of h2 matches

[brave gust]

Yes but the cool thing about the older Halo games is they still left it up to your imagination. We were never supposed to see what the Forerunners looked like

Yeah the Terminals made them seem different but then again all the monitors called the human characters reclaimers

[rugged quartz]

What?

[rugged quartz]

Never supposed to? Says who? How so?

[civic sundial]

You know that they used mocap for cutscenes in other Halo games as well, right? Such as in Reach, 4 and 5. Like, mocap isn't the reason the cutscenes in Infinite are the way they are. It was a specific decision made by the story team for Infinite's cutscenes to be that way, not a limitation of mocap. If you're gonna critique the cutscenes, at least get things right about mocap before doing so

[civic sundial]

The series was building towards revealing what Forerunners looked like back when Halo 3's legendary ending teased a Forerunner planet. Plus, ex-Bungie devs have talked about how their plans for Halo 4 before they decided to instead make Reach would've played out pretty similar to the Halo 4 we got

[civic sundial]

Reclaimer isn't a term the Monitors used for Forerunners, it's one they used exclusively to refer to humans post Halo's firing

[brave gust]

My point is that while maybe they were supposed to be different species, the biggest thing about them was their ambiguity. Leaving the answers up to you. Just enough evidence to claim they were human or not but not enough to factually prove it. And with Halo 4 it was all gone

[lost trellis]

Not what I mean. I was talking about how obvious it is that they’re acting in a studio. That’s why it’s immersion breaking not the mocap itself. A huge part of acting is making people forget it’s fake and Halo Infinite fails to do this in 99% of its cutscenes. I think the only one that feels solid is Chad Loki’s introduction before his fight. All the others are like watching a B movie.

[pseudo crescent]

Read it again lil bro

[wise olive]

What class do y'all think the Mark-VII — Gen 3 armor is to Guilty Spark?

Mark-V — Gen 1 was class 2.

[steady ravine]

Got hit with the random brainbug to replay the Halo games. Haven't played them since the OG Xbox and Xbox 360 days. Are the MCC servers still active?

[winged hazel]

i've already talked about this. forerunners were never human. humans were never forerunner. guilty spark means to say that being a reclaimer means being worthy of inheriting forerunner technology, not outright being forerunner

[glacial tartan]

Yes. MCC is the most populated Halo multiplayer right now. Hop in and have fun!

Some things will be less populated - especially certain ranked lists (Invasion, Squad Battle, etc) 😄

[steady ravine]

So long as I can get games in big team battles I will be happy

[glacial tartan]

It may be a couple hours from now when they are much more consistent. But as long as you dont search only CE for example you'll be good to go

[foggy thistle]

Yes. Only Demetrius can go forward on this topic.

[pseudo crescent]

Did bungie tell you that?

It’s a bunch of 343/fan made copium

343 said screw what you know, this is the story now

[coarse dagger]

It's also a conversation that has been done to death at this point. They're separate and have been for well over a decade now, so let's move on to a new topic

[nova basalt]

Larp

[lost trellis]

How is this larp?

[pseudo crescent]

U learned that word on tik tok lil bro

[lost trellis]

Imo I do t understand why people defend the change so religiously. Halo 3 at multiple points says human are Forerunners. But in one point made by Franky, it was said otherwise yet that’s the idea we go to the future with?

The devs on the terminals have said a few years ago that no one really cared what was put into them. It really was just a piece of lore franky threw out and ran with.

[coarse dagger]

let's move on to a new topic

[pseudo crescent]

Chief being a weapon that was waited on for millennia is also cringe

[lost trellis]

If you’re sick of the topic, imagine How we feel. This was very clearly a retcon but people for over a decade have been telling us it wasn’t even when devs themselves have spoken out about how the terminals are very clearly flawed.

[coarse dagger]

This still isn't moving on

[pseudo crescent]

How much is 343 paying you

[coarse dagger]

$0

I don't work for them

[lost trellis]

You know if you don’t like a topic you could just not engage in it. No one is making you discuss this with us

[pseudo crescent]

Then why u tryna censor us

[coarse dagger]

I'm not repeating myself again

[pseudo crescent]

Don’t then✌️✌️😭

[sturdy blaze]

halo 2 magnum is goated

[lost trellis]

Cool, anyways. I think Franky just wanted to set a new mood with the forerunner change honestly. Add more to the lore without trying to take from it. Hence why the precursors were made. They’re basically super forerunners

I highly doubt he was malicious, it’d be insane to think he was.

[solid canopy]

You know, if you did any digging on the writing of The Forerunner Trilogy you'd know this isn't the case at all

Bungie was running with the notion that "Forerunners are a set of humans uplifted by the Precursors" which is more or less what is hinted at in the story

[pseudo crescent]

Nah bro you’re wrong

[sullen owl]

Bring some receipts. Back up what you're saying.

[solid canopy]

Alright

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/886628457692401697/1494500499263721585/Screenshot_20260416_195031_DuckDuckGo.jpg?ex=69e2d58d&is=69e1840d&hm=a123a5183aed84c04f2aade8d66fd56c2ea5679643b3c03876b47408f62cbcdc&

This is a quote from Paul Russell, one of the artists who defined the look of the Forerunners throughout the Bungie era and came up with the name Halo

I think his voice is about as good of an authority as any

He states here the explict intent of "Forerunners are an uplifted set of Humans" the termimal team was running with. Based on the development of the cancelled Halo MMO, Titan, this was an idea also shared with Ensumble Studios- so it stands to reason that this was not an isolated idea

Greg Bear's Forerunner Trilogy details the rise and fall of the Forerunners and shows Humans and Forerunners as two separate groups. However, it is very heavily implied that they were once one and the same- the Librarian herself states that Earth holds the answers to the Forerunners' origins

[spice quest]

It's pretty much confirmed in the newer books with Spark that they are imo

That way both "teams" can have their cake and eat it too

[spice quest]

Honestly the concept art for Forerunners from that cancelled game was incredibly underwhelming (they seriously look like the Buzz Lightyear cartoon from the 2000's lmao) so I'm glad that in the end the current visual representatiom of Forerunners was chosen.

[solid canopy]

The Precursors brought life to the Galaxy, they wanted to hand off their position as caretakers to one of their creations. Now, the Mantle of Responciblity is a test of character for a civilization, it something to be shared rather than kept for yourself. Forerunners failed this test pretty badly, and rebelled against the Precursors who wer planning on handing the Mantle to humanity. Now it is not that huge of a leap in logic to assume the god-like Precursors were able to divide humanity into two separate groups as a test for the Mantle.

Obviously, hundreds of thousands of years have passed when these two branches of the same tree cross paths again. Much of this ancient history is lost and only revealed by the Precursors/Gravemind towards the end of the Forerunner-Flood war

[solid canopy]

Yeah. I kind of just wish Ensumble Studios was able to make their own IP

The concept art for the game, while not bad, does feel like a weird mish-mash of ideas and styles

I will say that the concept art depicting a Forerunner city is stunning

[spice quest]

Their own scifi franchise with as much creative liberty as they had with Age of Empires or Age of Mythology would have been pretty neat

[solid canopy]

Thats what they were trying with Halo Wars before Microsoft told them to make it a Halo game

I have no idea if Titan also started out life as its own thing or it was intended as a Halo game from the start

[pseudo crescent]

Okay so here’s the thing

They are humans

[solid canopy]

Thats what I said, yes

All they did was flesh out the ideas Bungie was already going with

[inland minnow]

hey folks. stckr's asked multiple times now for this topic to end. if you wanna keep discussing/debating/deliberating over this, please take it elsewhere

[solid canopy]

Alright. I think thats all that needs to be said on the matter

[pseudo crescent]

That is so cringe

[balmy wind]

I’m playing halo bruh

Btw

[stoic beacon]

I'm not convinced on this

[solid canopy]

Why would he be malicious?

Like, O'Conner was a writer for the series during Halo 2 up to Halo Reach. He was wasn't sitting in a corner secertly plotting the destruction of some (nonexistant) sacred master plan Bungie had. More importantly, he was one of the lore people during the Bungie era.

Also from a purely buissness oriented perspective, why would somebody choose to try and intentionally ruin a series they work on and helped create an entire studio to make media for

[stoic beacon]

"The" lore people?

Wasn't he the social media manager? All his work on the lore was writing those two terminals.

And that comic I guess

Fair point I guess. Maybe the malicious thing was that he wasn't fired after 4. Or that he was promoted to such a high position. Or that MS hired people who hated Halo.

[civic sundial]

Oh here we go again

[coarse dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sigh-gif-5895699729383201961

[civic sundial]

Me too Elmo, me too

[solid canopy]

O'Conner was also the guy in charge of maintaing the Halo Lore Bible which defined a lot of the series' mythos. Per a former Bungie dev, lots of people at Bungie wore different hats. Frank O'Conner was one of them. Bungie had nobody in the community manager role so the title fell to Frank O'Conner when that became of the many hats he wore.

[sturdy blaze]

longest topic of all time

[solid canopy]

Unfortunately

Also the topic with the most BS surrounding it

Anyway

Halo 4 Boltshot or Halo 5 Boltshot?

Personally, I think the Halo 4 Boltshot has a much cooler function but the Halo 5 version is really satisfying to use

[dire viper]

But poket shotgun tho

[placid galleon]

What's the BEST HALO-Game to you?

[lime forge]

Did you really played Halo 4 at the time ?

Halo 4 boltshot was as hated as Halo Reach armor lock

And that mean a lot

[stoic beacon]

This is kinda tough. I'd say either ODST or Reach

[foggy turret]

23

[stoic beacon]

What?

[glacial tartan]

Either they meant Halo 23. Or 2 and 3

[foggy turret]

2 - 3

[sullen kiln]

For server moderation concerns, please send a direct message to @upbeat plover.

[stoic beacon]

right

[sullen kiln]

For server moderation concerns, please send a direct message to @upbeat plover.

[celest heron]

and it was abused to death.

[wind meteor]

honestly, I like 4 and anniversary better than the others

[solid canopy]

The loadout system ruined the gun's reputation for sure. I am purely talking about the weapon on a functional/gameplay level

[livid cobalt]

Why is he called Lord Hood?

[coarse dagger]

It's his name and title: Lord Terrence Benjamin Hood

[livid cobalt]

Sounds kinda gangsta ngl

[steady ravine]

Best way to grind exchange coins in MCC besides dailies?

[coral orchid]

Halo 4 bolt shot. It having the shotgun secondary fire made it unique to the other Promethean weapons.

Halo 5 it legit just feels the same as the suppressor with less ammo

[left snow]

Timezone dependent... but we're 50 days from the Xbox event in June.

We'll hopefully get a really good look at CE there. And maybe something about the other Halo projects (eg. multiplayer). Fingers crossed.

And I think Take Two have their "earnings call" in a few weeks (mid-May). People are speculating that this is where they will confirm if GTA VI is still on track to release in November. And after that we'll see all the other games start to commit to their own release dates. ie. Halo CE.

[oblique gyro]

A-

[left snow]

B+

[glacial tartan]

There arent dailies, but there are weeklies/monthlies. There is no answer besides that. You get one per level, but the levels take exponentially more XP at a certain point. The first 100ish are relatively easy levels though.

[steady ravine]

I guess I get to play until the heat death of the universe to unlock everything

[sullen mantle]

Yo I need some fire music to listen to when im playing Halo, anybody got suggestions?

[steady ravine]

Whats your tastes?

[sullen mantle]

I listen to many things, mostly rock though

[celest heron]

it's best to kind of strategize so you can knock out sp challenges with the least amount of games. For example, if you played h2a/h4 koth, that would be doing 3 specific challenges for this week in one game assuming you can get medals and then 5 total if you win and stay positive.

[steady ravine]

Oh there no way in hell I am staying positive. My last H3 big tema slayer match was 20 deaths and 4 kills.

[rugged quartz]

I almost never go negative

[weary pier]

I just suck at Halo lol. 🙂 But hey I love Halo all the same!

[undone rock]

Me too

I’m terrible at LASO

[mystic summit]

i need a second opinion:

when i first played halo reach on MCC, on the Pillar of Autumn mission, i remember there being a radio broadcast (from i think the downed semi at the beginning) about a woman trying to save a guy and being walked through medical procedure by another man on the radio (maybe the host or a military person) and at the end the woman says something along the lines of “It’s too late, he’s dead.”

i haven’t heard it ever in a second playthrough. does anyone know what i’m talking about or am i mandela effecting myself out the wazoo?

[civic sundial]

I've not personally heard of this specific radio transmission, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's random. Do you hear anything on the radio when you walk up to the truck and stay there for a little while?

[mystic summit]

i mean, i might’ve gone afk for a minute, but i remember it playing right when i got there.

[mystic summit]

saying you’re terrible because you’re bad at LASO is like saying you can’t paint because you aren’t Claude Monet

[sturdy kernel]

You can play Infinite LASO
It's way easier than other LASO challenges

[signal spade]

I don't want to break the Family Friendly rule, but...

Why did Halo 2 have promotional ||condoms?|| Was there an actual reason or did Microsoft just go "hey why not"?

[undone rock]

That’s true but I’m still terrible anyway

[celest heron]

h3 btb is probly not the best choice if you're not a good player due to how a lot of the maps are designed. my suggestion would be to try h2a in 4's cause there are a lot lower skilled people that play it and or do more casual modes like action sack.

[mystic summit]

pretty much lol. halo 2’s marketing was wild, and i think that the company actually reached out to microsoft offering to do it. end of the day, free marketing’s free marketing.

[glacial tartan]

+1 for action sack!

[opaque shuttle]

halo infinites multiplayer is good and all, but the amount of money just for customization is... not cool :C

[whole glade]

Is there a way for auntie dot to come back

Like make another version of the ai without it actually being auntie dot from reach?

[open sierra]

ts would be lit

[whole glade]

I miss her gang

[solid canopy]

Conker's bad fur day on the n64 did the same thing

[signal spade]

Well, Conker's Bad Fur Day is an NSFW game.

Halo is, well, Halo.

[uneven bison]

Is that a joke

[latent acorn]

Conker is a different and interesting story. It was called originally, “12 Tales of Conker”. But the developers (Rare) felt it was to similar or like the other titles on 64 was to kiddie, so they reworked Conker by making it a more mature and adult focus theme which became “Conker’s Bad Fur Day”.

[solid canopy]

Yes I am aware Conker was a kids game until Rare pivoted to R raited humor and violence

Conker was the only other game I can think of doing that as a promotional item

[latent acorn]

That is true. But back then in late 2000 to early 2001, Conker had a very limited but restricted market at the time. Like Nintendo power didn’t put it on it’s own magazine, promoted on adult magazines, KB Toys or Toy R Us wouldn’t sell it, ads showing at late night and coming out late and near the end of N64’s run.

[lost trellis]

Crazy, yeah I remember that back on the 360. I wouldn’t be shocked if it got removed on MCC for download space or if that was something 343i couldn’t get from Bungie or something like that.

[civic sundial]

I don't think they removed a random radio conversation from the game for the MCC version

Something like that wouldn't save much space if removed anyway

[wise olive]

How many shots from armor piercing rounds can each generation and mark of MJOLNIR armor can take?

[winged hazel]

if i had to guess, the shields would probably be the real bottleneck here

[fickle ocean]

I am bad at multiplayer in any halo mcc game, help pls

i want tips to rekt other players, not getting rekt by other players

[glacial tartan]

I have a playlist of videos on tips for stuff like this. I need to add more to it (work in progress)

Play action sack! It has a lower skill ceiling and lets you explore the games maps/sandboxes with less 50-2 pub stomping.

[placid galleon]

How did the Covenant form?

[civic sundial]

The Prophets encountered the Elites and had a war, neither side was winning and they decided to form the Covenant due to their shared worship of the Forerunners and their technology. They later recruited other species like the Grunts, Jackals, Hunters and Brutes

[stoic beacon]

Travel back in time and start playing when the games released

I mostly play firefight

[sleek hatch]

Cover, cover, cover, and don't ego. @glacial tartan did a VOD review for me. You should check it out.

Wouldn't really effect it tbh

Dm me. Could be a plethora of things

[glacial tartan]

I dont remember exactly when, maybe....Mid 2022 ish? They did some network change that resulted in lunge related actions doing this weird rubber banding effect. See it mainly w/ Sword/Hammers.

[fickle ocean]

Maybe i should play firefight, i like wave gamemodes in fps games

[fickle ocean]

guys, in mcc, i always just find wierd matches in multiplayer instead of normal modes

[inland minnow]

what modes are you searching to begin with? like what options do you have the search set to

[fickle ocean]

idk, i just find wierd modes, like warthog racing and it is hard to find normal stuff, like deathmatch, firehouse, yk, normal base game modes

[glacial tartan]

Are you accidentally quick matching in the custom game browser?

[fickle ocean]

wait, there is a normal server browser?

oh snap, i guess i had a grunt playing drums inside my skull i guess

[glacial tartan]

Multiplayer -> Social Games instead of Multiplayer -> Custom Game Browser 😄

Then you reach the composer, which has the different Gametypes, Team Sizes, and Games (titles)

[brazen pasture]

Hi guys

Does anyone know where I can get halo ghost of onyx audio book free with a trail in the uk?

Been looking for hours

[wooden mauve]

Spotify has the Halo audiobooks!

[gloomy rampart]

hey im downloading the mcc collection im just wondering where are the seperate games downloaded in the files ? i cant find them i wanna know where theyre located

[glacial tartan]

Steam?

If so most of the MCC files you may be interested in will be here: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Halo The Master Chief Collection

Oh they left

[civic sundial]

I don't think they just left, it gives me an error message when trying to check their profile

[celest heron]

shows for me, but doesn't say they're a member here.

[fickle ocean]

i try but i cant find a match with the matchmaking

[glacial tartan]

What are you searching for?

[fickle ocean]

action sack

wait i found

also i still suck

[glacial tartan]

😂 it’s a process

[fickle ocean]

nah but the enemies always have a big skill level that prevents me from progressing

[glacial tartan]

If you really arent comfortable with multiplayer, I would suggest still doing the composer but playing Firefight - thats you and other players against waves of covenant 😄

[sleek hatch]

You got this, "today you suck, but tomorrow, you suck less. in the future... who knows."
If you want some advice dm @glacial tartan or me(panda is really good at Halo and probably the most helpful person here).

[thorny island]

So for halo7 why no multiplayer

[celest heron]

do you mean the ce remake?

[civic sundial]

I was about to say, I don't remember Halo 7 being announced

[lost trellis]

Wow I just realized Infinite was Halo 6. IDKY but it feels like we pasted “6” a but ago. Maybe the time difference between 5 and Infinite is what’s making me feel like we should be on 8 right now.

[spice quest]

They would need to change their work culture A LOT to make that happen.

And prioritize keeping and developing talent instead of short term contracts.

[lost trellis]

From recent news sounds like they need a change regardless

[spice quest]

Yeah, a lot of changes would need to be done from the top down and sadly a lot of it depends heavily on Microsoft, who have proven to be cheap and encouraging of toxic work practices.

[lost escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/night-gif-11903772527551398573

[lost trellis]

Times like this make me happy my wife made a chibi version of "Sad Mandalore" from the KOTOR comics for me so I can show my eternal disappoint for the state of affairs.

[winter sky]

@valid vortex get on mcc son

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[steady ravine]

What the hell I got banned

[steady ravine]

I'm losing my mind I keep getting temp banned and I can't join any matchs

[glacial tartan]

Can you elaborate? 😄

[steady ravine]

Okay so I am playign on linux

I join a matchmaking game, my game crashes, then I restart my game, and I get a temp ban

[glacial tartan]

Anytime the game crashes and you dont reconnect to the lobby thats a ban

[steady ravine]

Great

[glacial tartan]

Only way to avoid that is to rejoin. and oh hey thats been broken for over a year

[steady ravine]

I also don't think i'm on the most recent update either by the looks of it

Isn't it supposed to the mirage armor refresh soon? It's been stuck on 7 hours and 7 minutes for like 2 days for me

[glacial tartan]

Youre on the most recent update if you see the exchange as a ton of sections that extend to the right

[glacial tartan]

This is a UI bug. They update at the start of each quarter (Jan 1st, Apr 1, July1, Oct1)

[steady ravine]

Oh got it

[glacial tartan]

Copy/paste of comment I've left elsewhere on the quit ban thing thats weird as an FYI:

MCC calls a service called the banprocessor whenever you queue for matchmaking - it happens around the time you see that “checking for rejoins” prompt. Normally this tells you right away if you’re banned and for how long.

However, it can also be stupid.

Bans are typically determined at the time a game ends. So here’s a scenario.

I’m in a game of Team Slayer on Snowbound. Out of nowhere my game crashes. Okay, I’ll go reconnect; but the rejoin feature doesn’t work, and I’m prompted with the matchmake button. I take that matchmaking option, and now we are in a game on Narrows.

If my crash/quit happened before over 50% of my team had quit (meaning I’m ban eligible), I will be banned WHEN THAT GAME ON SNOWBOUND ENDS.

That could take up to 12 minutes AFTER my crash. The game let you go queue for a new match, and while playing on Narrows the Snowbound game ends. So now you’re actively in matchmaking and the banprocessor has RETROACTIVELY banned you for a prior issue it sees.

This starts your first quit ban timer of 5 minutes.

Narrows game ends, you don’t back out, you queue again. But you didn’t check with the banprocessor because you never went to lobby, so that ban check doesn’t happen until you attempt to load the next game. This could be seen as you attempting to circumvent the ban (which you’re not) which triggers another ban. And repeats.

OR, maybe you did go to lobby but didn’t try queuing matchmaking and instead went to the CGB and tried joining a game. You’re banned but don’t know it, so it kicks you out.

TLDR: Ban system is dumb, sometimes because of a combination of actions it doesn’t show you that it temp banned you in the past. Restart game and wait out the full timer.

Also hey Halo Studios if you read this you can kill two birds with one stone - the quit ban system is overtuned and the rejoin system can be fixed (I sent you the client side changes needed) cheers 🙂

[sleek hatch]

On bazzite. I had to load up a custom game browser of my own after waiting 10 minutes before I could play multiplayer

So I switched back to windows.

[wise olive]

So how advanced is Forerunner technology compared to UNSC so far?

[spice quest]

Orders of magnitude more advanced for most things

[wise olive]

Dang! So even Mjolnir stands no chance against in comparison to Forerunner armor?

[spice quest]

In a fair fight it wouldn't

[wise olive]

And it's not even close?

[stoic beacon]

nope. in ce spark says that the mk5 is a level 2 armor compared to the level 12 that the forerunners used to contain the flood

[spice quest]

If we put the Chief and the Didact in a gladiator arena with their armor and a standard rifle of their factions, and we had them charge at each other while shooting and then switching to hand to hand combat if they ran out of ammo, the Didact would beat the Chief like 99 times out of 100 I think. But in a smart, unfair fight (and with his signature luck on his side), the Chief can (and has) won against the Didact.

[sullen owl]

If Cortana wasn't there he would have lost.

[rugged quartz]

Cortana controlling the ship and a Monitor controlling the teleportation grid are how john "won'. John and the other spartans lost the fights otherwise. Cortana immobilizing the Didact and a pulse grenade pushing him off the bridge, but otherwise surviving and immediately destroying a spartan-II team. And then the other fight blue team got beat but the monitor teleported him out, then John calmly makes that halo section fall off and gets teleported out. Basically, it's control of the environment that 'defeats' the Didact, rather than actual fight

[wise olive]

Right.

[wise olive]

Gotcha, thanks.

[spice quest]

Exactly! In a fair fight the Promethean would win

[dry basin]

Has anyone received any special invites or flights to play any beta version of Halo: Campaign Evolved? I’d pay some money to get early access right now

[coarse dagger]

Nothing has been publicly announced for flilghting so far, anything like that will be posted on Halo Waypoint / #announcements

[dry basin]

I hope they allow flighting for this and I hope I get selected

I have the series x and a high end pc I would love to test on both.

[lost trellis]

NGL, I've always hated the whole "The Covenant or immataive not innovative" line because literally one of the first things we ever hear about the Covenant doing which is their reverse lifeboat boarding thing in CE is a smart thing to do with even Cortana calling it clever. I feel like all that line has done is given the community and writers cassus belli to just say the Covenant is full of stupid warlords who've only gotten by on advanced tech and numbers.

[winged hazel]

do halo infinite credits ever go on sale? a dollar per hundred is just way too much when some things are priced as high as 2.2k and i'd rather wait for a sale

[celest heron]

I think it's fine if it's something they like and equip it. if they're just doing it to have everything, then yeah that'd be a different story.

[nova basalt]

The only thing we should have to buy is the game

HOWEVER, it should not be as expensive as games are nowadays

[warped pollen]

[foggy thistle]

You can have mine when I'm done with it. Not many brain cells left though, unfortunately.

[coarse dagger]

Paid map packs were absolutely terrible. While the content itself was good, it sucked for anyone that couldn't afford to buy them. People got locked out of so many playlists because they didn't have the necessary content installed, horrible experience.

Optional cosmetics are clearly better in this respect, as they don't lock you out of enjoying any part of the game - you don't need to buy them and it won't harm your experience if you don't.

[left snow]

Nothing different to any one else's brains.

Whatever brings you joy.

[proven basin]

Hey guys what's your favourite version of the Ruuhtian, i like the way infinite's ones look a lot

[smoky wave]

You can have a paid game and having free update content like a lot of games does nowadays?

Like we are not in 2010 anymore

[fickle ocean]

Halo 5 sucks

[waxen pilot]

hey guys. I need elbow grease and headlight fluid. anyone got any?

[coarse dagger]

Yet nobody seems to be bringing that up about the Halo 2 and 3 days, when it was the exact same situation

And when people were actually being locked out of content

[glacial tartan]

In those days there were enough concurrent players that while divisive, it wasnt THAT divisive

If you divide 1M concurrent into a few baskets, its much different than today where we have like a few thousand at best

[coarse dagger]

It was never 1m concurrent from the data I've read

[glacial tartan]

Whatever number we want to say, its still orders of magnitude higher than anything in our current decade/era (even if what was displayed in game were aggregates for example, that would also still be orders of magnitude apart from current)

Basically its a really hard comparison to make nowadays. Perfect? No. But horribly crippling? Clearly not

[civic sundial]

Maps bring changes to the gameplay by virtue of being new environments to fight in, the cat ears don't do anything to the gameplay

Like, I've played Halo both before and after we got DLC maps for free, I would rather have free DLC maps

[compact pier]

How do you guys feel about the idea of a Halo extraction shooter?

[glacial tartan]

If game is fun, much happy. If game is bad, much sad.

[compact pier]

Fair. I like the idea of Halo spinoff games in more genres (in addition to mainline campaigns, of course) but extraction shooter doesn’t sound like an interesting one for Halo at all to me. (Or to be honest in general? It’s not a genre I particularly like.)

I’d love a survival horror Halo spinoff, or a Forerunner Era RPG, or Halo Wars 4, or maybe even a cool retro side-scroller game where you play as, like, a grunt or something lol

[celest heron]

It's like another br. We don't need to follow trends.

[glacial tartan]

Careful! I’ve been told on repeat many times that Halo has always followed trends!

[compact pier]

Yeah, agreed. Both battle Royale and extraction shooter are oversaturated markets and even if they weren’t, neither sounds fitting for Halo. The latter especially.

I don’t care much if they follow or set a trend, to be honest. The latter is better of course, but either way, as long as 1. The trend being followed or set makes sense for Halo and 2. It’s done well, then cool.

[glacial tartan]

Basically my previous sentiment. I am exhausted of hearing about ideas and concepts. Deliver on a good game, that’s the end goal.

[compact pier]

Well, I do very much mean both of those points are key. Like I said, it still needs to fit Halo—especially if it’s a mainline entry.

Also, for the love of all that exists, please bring back campaign split screen.

That’s the beauty of Halo Wars 4. It’s so intense, it skips over 3.

True, but we got plenty of time to get to 7.

Ugh. So silly that we can’t use mild language in a discord dedicated to a mostly M-rated franchise lmbo

Anyway, I agree. It sucks that the one and probably only new halo game we get this whole console gen had to be shackled to such old hardware.

IMO, no Halo game should ever be cross-gen at launch, but always exclusive to the newest hardware. Maybe ported up to the next console if it happens to come out at the butt* end of a generation, like Halo 4 did.

The language thing or console thing?

[glacial tartan]

iirc the language is a microsoft/xbox tos alignment.

[compact pier]

I think it’s silly there, too, to be honest.

But yeah I always kinda got the impression Infinite was meant to be Xbox One only originally but development took long enough that series x was added to the lineup, but it had already been originally revealed for Xbox One. I don’t know if that’s exactly what happened, but it was always the impression I got when the game was on its way.

I don’t have to imagine it… I lived it 😂

[celest heron]

you could make an argument that most games have followed a trend at some point, but I'm more referring to blatantly obvious ones like what's the big thing happening now and we have to put it in our game.

[glacial tartan]

Yeah I of course agree with you 🙂

[compact pier]

Can’t believe we haven’t gotten a non-forge Blood Gulch since Halo 2.

[glacial tartan]

Do you include H2A? And I guess you arent including Reach even though its not really forge?

[celest heron]

yeah, just speaking in general.

[civic sundial]

We got this in 2014 with the release of H2A MP

[celest heron]

the sniper's dream

[civic sundial]

It really is

[compact pier]

Yeah, true, tho still halo 2(a) lol

[compact pier]

I’m not including hemorrhage because even though it was in the base game, it’s still a map made with forge stuff.

Depends on the map, I guess. Either way, I just what is arguably the most iconic map in the franchise to make a return and not have it be an afterthought lol

[civic sundial]

So by your logic, all these Forge maps have no soul? Because a majority of the Forge maps in Infinite are built on the skybox maps

Have you actually messed about with Infinite's Forge?

[compact pier]

I wish we could have basic and advanced tools in force.

I love how versatile forge is, the maps made in it can be so great looking that a skilled forger can make a map almost indistinguishable from a dev map.

But it also means forge isn’t as fun. I spent a ton of time in Reach and 4 making maps I thought were cool at the time, but I also loved making them with a friend and the process of messing around, like killing each other with grids and stuff.

The tools are too advanced forger me to spend time learning them properly now, and they’re not fun to just casually mess around with.

I wish I had the option to enable “basic tools” à la Halo Reach/4/2A or “advanced tools” à la Infinite.

Been asking for this for years lol

I think it could be as simple as an option in-game, to be honest. I don’t think console players should be locked out of the more advanced tools and I don’t think it should be a separate application, but it should be switchable for the players who just wanna play around with it.

I’ve seen some amazing forge maps in Infinite that I would’ve never guessed weren’t dev maps. Those maps also take A LONG time to make, though, and a lot of skill that I don’t have the time to hone.

That said, regardless of how good forge is, and while I love the idea of great community maps making it into matchmaking, it shouldn’t be a replacement for new dev maps either.

[celest heron]

maybe a hot take, but I don't think it's great.

[lost trellis]

I think the 343i Forge was better for Forgers but no one else. I've seen some insane things done with it but I've not touched in in years. Honestly, I think it'd be cool to have a classic Forge and a Builders mode (just to forerunnermaxx) where classic Forge is a very simple map editor while Builder Mode is Minecraft Creative but with more space lasers.

[left snow]

Having lived through that era - I can confirm that it wasn't that pretty.

It was definitely a case of the haves and have nots.

I can't remember exactly. Such is the passage of time. But I don't think I actually bought the later packs as it was pointless if your friends didn't have them.

[celest heron]

with the h2 map packs, I literally just bought them when they came out. It didn't even cross my mind that people would be locked out of maps cause everyone I knew bought them as well and there was no shortage of people. guess I was a bit more naive back then.

[compact pier]

I have conflicting thoughts. It’s nice to not split the community between having vs not having map packs, but I also am tired of live service and MTX, and I’d happily just buy every map pack that came out if it meant a fuller experience somehow or another.

[lost trellis]

Not to mention the people unable to buy the content were almost always kids who technically shouldn't have been playing Halo 3.

[compact pier]

Me lol

Luckily I owned all the map packs in Reach because it was brother’s xbox and he didn’t take it with him when he moved out (until he moved back in and took it back 😔) but once I got my own Xbox 360 and played a bunch of Halo 4, I was bummed because I didn’t have all the map packs I wanted.

[lost trellis]

Fair, NGL, I was buying DLC for my friends back then who had to beg their parents for stuff. I remember one squeaker who actually couldn't get his parents to buy it for him and once their saw the mature rating stopped him from playing online entirely.

[compact pier]

Ooof. That’s rough.

My mom never cared too much about what I played haha I was playing San Andreas when I was in, like, 1st grade lol so by middle school, she def didn’t care at all that I was playing Halo: Reach.

And to be honest, once I was playing Halo 4, in hindsight I probably could’ve just asked her to buy me those map packs, but at the time I figured if I was gonna ask her to buy me something like that, I’d rather just get some cheap indie game for my 3DS than a map pack.

And we also didn’t have much money

Deleted that, meant to message that to another server 😂

[left snow]

A friend with cat ears and a mild case of the flood is just that. I can still play with them anytime and anywhere. So yep. It's better.

Paid DLC was very annoying, It may have only been three months... but it was a very loooooong three months. 🙂

[left snow]

I don't think it's anything "internal".

The financial benefits of microtransactions has long been researched / recognised.

And we now have generations of working adults who grew up with the model - and are very comfortable buying whatever gives them a dopamine hit at the time.

[left snow]

I'm not sure anyone is "moaning" about paying for the DLC. Just pointing out the problems that we all experienced. It was far from smooth sailing at the time. Especially for those who played with friends who weren't as motivated / financial.

As for MTX and what anyone does with their hard earned pocket money - meh. Whatever floats. If they get their dopamine hit AND pay for my upcoming content. It's a win-win for both of us.

Disclaimer; I've bought the cat ears. 🙂

[left snow]

That is a lot of stereotypes and assumptions in your statement.

But you are right - the game companies would know full well about their paying demographics.

But still - if little Johnny down the road wants to do the hard work and convince his mom to buy him some new shiny armour - and that helps to keep the Halo Infinite servers turned on when I get home tonight - yay!. I'm not fussed if he had to wash the car, get an A+ on his Maths, or beg like his life depended on it. Good boy Johnny.

Sounds like it's time for a game of squad battle then.

[left snow]

And that, of course, depends entirely on how young Johnny goes with his mum's credit card. 😄

C'mon Johnny. You can do it.

[civic sundial]

The servers have been fine for me whenever I play. You're phrasing it as if they still have the issues they had at launch

[coarse dagger]

No discussion of leaks under any circumstances, please and thanks

[civic sundial]

Chief, the missions are set before the events of Reach

[celest heron]

The end of the last mission will probly be him going into the tube.

[valid sinew]

can we agree that reach has some of the best overall grunt designs?

they actually look menacing and somewhat serious compared to the usual cannonfodder they are in other games

[spice quest]

Halo 2 grunts honestly are kind of adorable

[civic sundial]

Well, it's a remake, it'd be weird if they didn't include the Jenkins helmet footage

[civic sundial]

I think I honestly prefer how they look in Infinite over Reach, especially with all the variations for their masks and details on their methane packs

Campaign Evolved is a remake, yes, but that doesn't mean they're completely changing the events we see in the game. Remasters is not same game but newer, it's when they update an older game's graphics and add quality of life changes, like what MCC or the Mass Effect Legendary Edition does

Also, do you really think people would be ok with the original Flood reveal being completely changed in a remake?

[dense arch]

Aren’t they expanding the original weapons sandbox and adding a few new missions? I think I saw something about that

[wooden mauve]

3 new missions, but they're prequels to the main game.

[civic sundial]

And weapons like the BR, Needle Rifle, Sentinel Beam, Energy Sword and Fuel Rod will be useable in the remake

[hallow plover]

Remaster means you're altering the original to modern standards
Remake means you're recreating the original starting from scratch

At least that's what it should be

[warm flint]

hey guys im really new to steam and i just downloaded the mcc as my second game, but it wont let me in because it says "Easy Anti-Cheat is not installed" can someone tell me where i find that please?

[signal spade]

Why does Halo Infinite have a cartoony artstyle?

It's like everything is made of plastic, except it looks like the actual material.
Like, Master Chief looks like he's wearing a big plastic costume that's painted and coated with some kind of texture coating.

[lost trellis]

I think it’s an attempt to go for a classic look but finding it hard to perfectly emulate it. Classic Halo and most OG shooters really, were colorful but not toylike. How? (Shrugs). I think in the mid 2000s a lot of games realized they were getting toylike but hid it under a dark as the tic like Gears of War. It might be a lot harder then we think to land that old look because it couldve be done very unintentionally

[civic sundial]

I wouldn't really say Infinite looks cartoony

Heck, I'd argue Halo 3's materials look more plasticy. Just look at how the Spartans look in Halo 3, Infinite's don't look anywhere near as plastic

[low wind]

Servers on MCC are nonexistent 😩

[lime forge]

He was just talking about remade the reveal, all cinematics are indeed remade

Just look the introduction of the silent cartographer, completly different

They are obviously gonna do something différent for the reveal of the flood
Or you just want to see the marines standing still with infection form doing nothing at their feet ?

[civic sundial]

You've misunderstood what I and they said

I'm not saying I want the cutscenes to be 1 to 1 with the original CE

Desert Bus seems to think that because Campaign Evolved is a remake, that means they're going to change the story

[lime forge]

They are indeed going to change some side of the story

[civic sundial]

Given what we've seen so far and what has been said, while yes, the cinematography and choreography of scenes may change, that doesn't mean they are actively removing or replacing elements of the story. Like, Silent Cartographer still opens up with Chief being dropped on a beach, it's just not presented exactly how it was back in 2001

[lime forge]

They must change Guilty Spark lines because they don't fit with their canon

[civic sundial]

Wait, you're one of the "Bungie's canon is better" people, aren't you?

[lime forge]

Not necessarily
343i canon could had be great if well handled

I'm just saying that some dialogue in the story wouldn't fit now

[civic sundial]

You do know the canon under 343 is still the same canon, right? Like, they carried on from where Bungie left off, no clean slate when they were given the reigns of the franchise

And CE had inconsistancies with other parts of the canon since the early days, that's because it was the first game

And that's not even getting into how over the course of a franchise existing, there's bound to be some inconsistancies anyway. That's not because of some intentionally malicious decision, sometimes a detail is forgotten or doesn't fit with what is established later

[lime forge]

Yes it's the same canon indeed, but i think we can indeed both admit that some line can lead to missunderstanding

That's why i would not be surprised if those lines aren't there anymore

Especially knowing they are recording all the dialogues again

[civic sundial]

Which lines are you referring to?

[lime forge]

Well i always have in mind the talk that Guilty Spark have with Chief going back to the control room

And his attitude toward him

When he says for example that he was aked by him before if he would do the same if he had the choice to activate the ring

And he seems to believe that Chief should be aware of the protocol

[civic sundial]

There's already an explanation for that which has been round for ages now, Spark is rampant and was confusing Chief with the Iso-Didact

[lime forge]

And wdym saying for ages ?

That doesn't change what i'm saying

I would think that 90% wouldn't know who is iso didact, and would not understand those lines

Especially new players to the franchise

[civic sundial]

As in, it's been known Spark was going rampant by the time Combat Evolved happened for over a decade

[lime forge]

Was that something adressed before anniversary?

[civic sundial]

Have you considered that was the point? That the line is meant to get the player to question what Spark meant?

[lime forge]

And so if that's what it is wouldn't be better if that would lead to something actually interesting to the story better than .. nothing ?

Cause what's the point then ?

[civic sundial]

To evoke a sense of mystery

Like, yes, we have the answers to that mystery now but at the time that line was written and recorded, the team at Bungie didn't have an answer. And just because we have an answer now, that doesn't mean the line needs to be changed

It'd be like changing the story in Resident Evil 2 for its remake because we learnt in a later Resident Evil project who Ada was working for during that game

[lime forge]

I assume the initial tough behind it was to just hint the human forerunner plot potentially and that could lead to a payoff

But just trying to find and explanation to retcon that as 343i try to find for everything sometimes without even sense isn't interesting
If you're retconning just to give a useless explanation like the nano thing in Halo 4 then better don't give one

[civic sundial]

There's no real reason to change that

[civic sundial]

You're the one claiming they will change the line...

And the nanomachine thing was thrown out in an interview because the person was being pressured about why Chief's armour looked different, I don't think it was intended to be taken seriously

[lime forge]

Because as now that doesn't matter, that not interesting to know that Guilty Spark think Chief is iso didact

And also that actually doesn't even make sense

[civic sundial]

My dude, they're not gonna change the line

[lime forge]

As we know by the first terminal, Guilty spark know that they are human, so why would he think Chief is the iso didact?

[civic sundial]

Because Spark is rampant, which I already mentioned

[lime forge]

Idk and i honestly wouldn't mind i like the line how they are

[lime forge]

Rampant seems to be an easy take to explain everything

[civic sundial]

Rampancy affects how AI functions in Halo, including their memories. This is true for human-made AI and Forerunner intelligences

Like, this is lore dating back to the early days of Halo

[lime forge]

Yes indeed and that's used to explain every inconsistancy everytime
Spark don't seems that rempant in Halo 2 and 3 except when he get crazy for loosing a second time his ring
He doesn't even seems that crazy in Halo CE

[civic sundial]

Define crazy

Because you know that people who are going crazy can still pass as if they are completely sane, right?

[lime forge]

He seems lucid

All way long

[civic sundial]

Like, going crazy is not like a lightswitch

[lime forge]

He act with sense and reason all 3 games
He is always consistent in this explanation and when talking with anyone

[civic sundial]

I also wouldn't call Spark humming while the Flood is swarming Chief "He doesn't seem that crazy". Nobody sane would calmly hum during a zombie outbreak as someone else is being attacked unless they weren't a little crazy at least

[lime forge]

He is because he has what he need

He follow the protocol and he as a reclaimer to process
He know how to deal with the situation

He just need to retrieve the index and activate the ring
And he already know at this time that activating the ring is a viable solution because he has the proof that this solution has worked

[civic sundial]

You were acting as if they were going to change it

You even said "a remake can either add or remove stuff"

Within the context of what the conversation was yesterday, you were acting as if they were going to change the Flood reveal

When there has been no indication that they were changing that story beat

[civic sundial]

Nobody was talking about Infinite

[lime forge]

Wth

Is it normal to find a alive marine in 343 Guilty spark before going up?

https://xboxclips.com/Vmvms/e00e9749-4dce-4a73-adc1-6f15463416cc

[celest heron]

did you see the two marines before that (suicidal one and the one fighting the flood)?

[lime forge]

I did let Alive the suicidal one

[celest heron]

hmm, not sure. maybe one of them glitched.

[cloud pebble]

i am playing odst and IS THERE SOME KIND OF HIDDEN MAGICAL HP BAR FOR THE ENGINEER

WHY IS IT WHEN I PUSH TO THE END IT SUDDENLY POPS LIKE A BALLOON

AFTER VERONICA SAYS THE SHIELDS ARE UP

[nova basalt]

Drop wall in everything except husky raid sucks

[coarse dagger]

You're better adding feedback like this in one of the dedicated forum topics
https://discord.com/channels/471722331820130324/1255601725902160015

[celest heron]

It can give everyone shields when you're near it, but the engineer can still take damage. If it takes too much it will die.

not really a fan of equipment or abilities that can excessively slow or halt gameplay in mp.

[nova basalt]

This is a great idea
Going out in the open alone is usually a death sentence, that would change it up a little

[celest heron]

yes, halt which does happen with them like armor lock for example. Even with your first one, it would be a staring contest for however long which slows/stops gameplay until someone pushes. we could probly describe multiple situations each in our favor, but what I described is something that I'm not a fan of even if it can be beneficial in certain situations.

[celest heron]

I'm not saying they're the same, but more they have several traits and one of them is similar.

[manic fog]

Anyone on MCC on PC through the Xbox app unable to load into a match? It gets into a match, but sits on the loading screen. I backed out once and restarted the game and found out it BANNED me for 5 minutes

Welp, I tried again, it still wouldn't load, so this time I DIDN'T back out and it banned me for 15 minutes. This is so broken.

[celest heron]

can't say I've heard good things with that. I'd suggest doing steam instead if you still want to play it. I wouldn't continue trying or else you might get longer bans.

[manic fog]

I have it on both Xbox and steam. I'll have to uninstall and reinstall on steam to see if that fixes it

[sleek hatch]

@glacial tartan could help, he did a network fix. He has a github for it.

[stoic beacon]

Armor Lock is soooo cool though

[civic sundial]

I don't think I know anyone who thinks Armour Lock is cool

[stoic beacon]

The people you know are lame then

[lost trellis]

Reach in many ways has bounded back, largely from younger fans who don’t seen to have been around during launch. They don’t have such a negative opinion on certain things and yeah Armor lock is one of them. They don’t get why it was hated and see it as a cool way to do all the things long time players hated.

[stoic beacon]

I am a new player, yeah. But it's not like people that prefer the changes 343 made also like these quirks that Reach has, so it's not necessarily a newer player thing, right?

Also the TU Armor Lock isn't even that powerful. They should have kept some of the cooler, more overpowered things like Armor Lock and the Spartan Laser only in the singleplayers and firefight so people wouldn't complain.

[glacial tartan]

Reach has remained relatively popular since its launch, not sure what “bounding back” they think it would need.

[glacial tartan]

TU unironically saved Reach. I was there at launch and without those changes it was….lets just say bad.

[stoic beacon]

I never understood how the "no armor bleedthrough" worked. Could you not one shot people back then?

I mean obviously not because power weapons wouldn't be that powerful

[glacial tartan]

Basically if you meleed someone with 1 shield the melee would do 1 damage. You wouldn’t hit their underlying hp at all. It felt horrible

And that’s just that one mechanic they changed, obviously the armor lock and bloom changes were huge too

[stoic beacon]

Lmao. Well, that obviously needed to be changed.

[sleek hatch]

Honestly I hated the jetpack more than armorlock.

[nova basalt]

Jetpack=awesome=good

It’s a basic scientological fact

[whole mauve]

I just got done with chapter 8 of Halo Reach. This game is just full of doom and despair

[hollow ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ITLnPnslp4

Saw this and my only thought about the final design, is "hydra if built for UNSC infantry instead of spartans."

[civic sundial]

Pretty sure the Hydra wasn't built only for Spartan use. It's just the version in Halo 5 didn't see widespread adoption by the wider UNSC forces beyond Spartan Operations. Like, we see crates of them on Argent Moon in Halo 5, which was an ONI vessel, I don't think it had any Spartans serving as regular crew members

[hollow ore]

Ok, let me put it another way, the hydra is to bulky for a standard soldier in most situations.

[nova basalt]

Yeah I would never want to carry that around

It looks super heavy

[celest heron]

yes, they sued ms over it a few years ago.

[civic sundial]

Pretty sure it was only Marty who sued

You're phrasing that as if more remakes than just Campaign Evolved is happening

Or they want to see how well this remake does before greenlighting more remakes

[uneven bison]

Well let’s just hope it does

If people don’t wan remakes there needs to be a line in the sand drawn

[sleek hatch]

Multiplayer wise, which sniper is the hardest and easiest to use. In your opinion?

[sleek hatch]

I love the H3 sniper.
For my personal opinion 5 is the easiest and CE is the hardest.

[rugged quartz]

That's due to non hitscan stuff right?

[sleek hatch]

To my knowledge, no main Halo was hitscan

[glacial tartan]

Easiest is almost definitely 4. I cant think of an argument otherwise

[glacial tartan]

This is very much a point of semantics. Compare CE and 3 to H2

Technically H2 isnt HITSCAN but instead the bullets are just REALLY REALLY FAST.

Where does Hitscan begin 😄

People will point to the plasma rifle in H2 which needs to lead its shots, but.....I can point to the spartan laser in H3. Which is basically hitscan but "ITS NOT HITSCAN" because in reality its just a REALLY REALLY FAST projectile

[sleek hatch]

Ahh yes, no descope

[glacial tartan]

No descope, huge reticle, its almost easier to noscope in that game than it is to scope and snipe lol

[sleek hatch]

The sentinel beam is also projectiles right*

[glacial tartan]

Thats why you have to step back and look at the games more broadly. CE/3 were more aligned, 2/Reach

Exceptions in both, "none of the games were hitscan", but look at the main parts of the pools and its clear there was some difference

[sleek hatch]

So what is the hardest in your opinion?

[glacial tartan]

I think it will be between Infinite or CE. CE is incredibly hard to use because of how far you have to lead at long distances and the existence of the pistol, compare how long you have to shoot during 4BR shots in H3 vs 3 pistol shots in CE.

I will admit my infinite opinion comes from playing prior to those changes they made, I vaguely remember them making it easier to use, so could be wrong there 😄

[sleek hatch]

They reduced the spread/randomness of the hip fire.
So basically made the cone tighter, iirc

[sleek hatch]

Which is the most fun to use?