halo-discussion

[ashen rune]

I feel like it's just there to show off their 3d level design but it's so random and unnecessary

[tulip tusk]

how about more jumps

theyre fun

[solemn portal]

It's obviously there to teach people how to drive around corners.

[ashen rune]

ok that's fair

[solemn portal]

That whole area is a short tutorial for the Warthog, and it doesn't happen ever again.

[ashen rune]

oh wait does it actually include tutorial messages in normal mode

[solemn portal]

Maybe when initially get on the Warthog (it's been a while), but the whole ramp area is there for you to learn the basics on your own.

[ashen rune]

heroic is so much more fun than legendary lol

difficult but not stupid

[rotund slate]

Is the halo book series any good?

[pliant plinth]

Cortana is the most annoying lv in halo history

[solemn portal]

She's fine in Bungie Halo.

[tidal trench]

Echo 419 was a real one

[sleek hatch]

Its good. A few books standout

[civic sundial]

They were talking about the level in Halo 3, not the character

[solemn portal]

Well, it's still a fine level.

[onyx latch]

🙄

[solemn portal]

Yes, Cortana, the level, is better than the entirety of Halo 4, 5 and Infinite.

[hexed vessel]

Cortana the level has the coolest design of every halo mission

[solemn portal]

Let's not go that far. It's a just the second half of Floodgate with an High Charity label.

[hexed vessel]

Second half of floodgate was cool too. I kinda liked the scenery looking all fleshy and gooey. Not really smth you'd find in other missions which makes it stand out imo

Let me clarify when i say design I purely mean looks

[sleek hatch]

My personal favorite is Halo. Or long night of solace
Or The Pillar of Autumn

[celest heron]

it gave them a nice spot to put a terminal

(the later version)

[rotund slate]

Thx for reply

[solid canopy]

The Shock Rifle was easily one of my go-to weapons in Infinite.

The chaining effect was super useful

[solid canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

[ashen rune]

Beam rifle is one of my favorite weapons and that's largely because I HATE drones

[frosty condor]

They are buggers indeed

[uneven bison]

Reach pillar of autumn right

Because CE is literal maze runner

My favorite is the storm in 3 or metropolis

[cobalt mantle]

hey guys, I'm interested in getting all achievements for each halo game. I know it's a lot but any idea if any of them is unobtainable?

[glacial tartan]

Some in MCC may take organizing (like the Skunked Achievement) but they are all still obtainable there. Guess it depends on what you mean by Each Halo Game 😄 I know if you're talking 360 there will be a bunch of challenges

[sleek hatch]

Both tbh

[uneven bison]

Fair

Reach one is my favorite in the campaign

[cobalt mantle]

Thanks. I'm just talking MCC, 5 and Infinite

I know 5 is kind of the black sheep but I didn't hate when I played it a couple years ago lol

[sleek hatch]

Thats a tough one. Reach I hold dear in my heart as I got my first xbox when it came out and it was the first Halo I didnt have to go to a friend's house to play.
Every mission from Reach is a 10/10 for me.

[uneven bison]

They’re all above 7/10 at least for me

Long night of solace gets an 8 because the saber section wasn’t great

And I don’t like the second half of the package

[rotund zenith]

Not a fan of sword base

[uneven bison]

Second time around when it’s flooded and gloomy is much better

[celest heron]

the vehicle splatters and environmental ones in h2a might take a long time if you play solo.

[dusty relic]

Hey guys I was curious if anyone knows when the next infinte arena rank reset will happen?

[sudden saffron]

I had an idea for balancing Weapons Up Sprint. Allowing players to shoot while sprinting would lead to a feeling that it's useless; since there's no reason not to sprint. What if sprinting had heavy movement acceleration, sliding H:CE levels of acceleration. but Regular strafing has near zero movement acceleration, giving you way more control over your dodges

almost og DOOM inspired

[mortal star]

Since people seem to be discussing favorite Haloe levels mine is a coin toss between Ark and The Covenant from H3. (Note I didn't play Halo until H3 was given to me with the special xbox as a gift as a teen and only played H:CE and H2 Recently)

the second to last level of Reach was good as well but I was really bitter about reach back in the day is colors my opinions still

[cobalt mantle]

Why are you bitter about reach?

[mortal star]

TLDR I read the "Fall of Reach" Novel several times long before the game was even announced and excited for an adaptation of that story. Even getting over the story being it's own thing I largely dislike how bungie handed the invasion/fall of reach. also Bloom but that's a dead argument since they did a title update reducing it admitting to some extenent if quietly they overdid it

the story on Noble team and 6 is great. but the greater narrative was exceptinally weak in my opinion

[turbid charm]

I'm poor

What's a free halo game?

[sturdy kernel]

Halo Infinite
(Multiplayer)
Xbox app or Steam

[turbid charm]

Thx

[short flower]

🌎WORLDS WEEK🌎

[cobalt mantle]

the halo ce demo on mac

[short flower]

Big reveal this Friday, and I hope it’s good. Very large optimism.

[cobalt mantle]

What are you hoping for?

[short flower]

Maybe the new title, I would like to have an unreal combat evolved game we’ll see

they’ll have a full deep dive on Friday

[cobalt mantle]

id hope for mcc on ps and switch 2 but they seemed to have abandoned that game

[sleek hatch]

Even though it has better numbers than infinite?

[cobalt mantle]

Does it? I don't follow any of the stats

[mortal star]

i mean, to alot of people it feels like MCC has been more or less abandoned

[glacial tartan]

They have still continued to fix bugs over the years and introduced a ton of new features. It will heavily depend on who you ask. Its definitely not in active development anymore 😄

[mortal star]

yeah thats nice bud

[sleek hatch]

I am mostly talking about how it has 2x or 4x more players on it than Infinite(according to steam charts).

[glacial tartan]

Not just steam charts, now Xbox too (but we dont know scales there)

[sleek hatch]

What makes you say that?

[cobalt mantle]

Does 5 still have players?

[celest heron]

Yes, but only in certain playlists.

[glacial tartan]

You can look at the Xbox most popular titles list which doesnt show numbers of players but ranks them

[jovial relic]

I let my Game Pass expire and now it won’t let me play Infinite.. it’s F2P so this is some sort of bug, right?

[sturdy kernel]

Multiplayer is free, but campaign is not

[jovial relic]

I don’t have the campaign installed, trying to get on the MP

I’m on PC so I tried closing out the Xbox app and restarting but no go

[sturdy kernel]

Try to reinstall the game

[sleek hatch]

Its a popular title on xbox?

[glacial tartan]

MCC? Why wouldnt it be

[sleek hatch]

Good question

[ashen rune]

only possible reason would be a generational thing

[cobalt mantle]

so if plasma pistol + accurate weapon is a noob combo then what's the pro high skill strat?

[ashen rune]

plasma pistol

In Halo 1 anyway

[cobalt mantle]

like just the plasma pistol?

[sleek hatch]

Repulse 360 snipe

[ashen rune]

pew pew

[celest heron]

it's not really that bad in infinite if that's the game you're referring to. that originated in h2 cause of how much the overcharge shot tracked. high skill strat would just be a good strafe and hit your shots, lol. maybe a repulse for style points.

[cobalt mantle]

what's a repulse?

oh nvm

[cobalt mantle]

you guys are going to hate me but I love how CE:A looks

[viral kayak]

I don't see that as a bad take. Though some just prefer the older graphics.

[cobalt mantle]

older one is great too, that's what I grew up on

if only the shield damage was more visible

[kindred sky]

I agree with you. The only issue I have with it is mainly master chiefs crappy armor and how some objects don’t line up with the classic graphics

Which sucked when you were trying to hide lol

[cobalt mantle]

lol yeah

[crystal iron]

https://www.halopedia.org/VK78_Commando#Gallery
bottom left of commando gallery, the reavian tooth commando at the weapon bench
what coating does it have

[cobalt mantle]

a ue5 remake seems kind of silly still considering how poorly ue5 runs on everything and more often than not looks completely different

[ashen rune]

Same, but I will admit that the original graphics have a darker feel that I think contributes well to mission 6's general atmosphere

[glacial tartan]

Have no idea what the new game is going to be, wouldnt stress over it

[pearl helm]

Halo studios has dismissed me!!

They deleted the chat I had with another person in another subchannel. Twas a discussion about customization!

Cross core knee pads, wrists attachments, waist attachments, and gloves!!! Give players more customization!! More freedom to express themselves!! Do not raise the shop prices! And allow us more than one helmet attachment! 3 at maximum!

And a coating creater! Where we are allowed to choose one primary color out of the cadet coatings, one secondary out of the cadet coatings, and one tertiary out of the cadet coatings! The primary color is most of the body. Secondary is shoulders and part of the helmet and part of the thighs armor. And tertiary is the trim! Have this option be free. For those who are new to the game and already play the game. It allows us more player customization! More social features! And give us an undersuit texture changer, where we have a few different options for the undersuit. Not too many, 10 at most. Have the coating creater be an a coating inside of the coating selection, where it would be the coating symbol with a plus in the center, because you are adding a new coating to the game! It would give your game more value.

And armor preset! We need a way to save armor presets, have this function inside or the kits category!

Halo infinite is great. But it could be better.

After all, halo is a party game, social features are desperately needed. Proximity chat, pregame lobbies and post game lobbies. Physics, halo is not a competitive shooter. Nor is it a graphical showcase! It is a party game!!!

Graphics and balancing should come last. If a game is not fun, no one will buy or play it. If It has the name of a game like halo, then it needs to live up the the expectations it has. If you are able to get the feel of halo down, then you need to get the formula down. It needs to be a game to make memories, to build a childhood, to have fun with friends and family. It needs to be a game you are proud of. A game that everyone knows and loves. It needs to be halo. It needs to look like halo, feel like halo, play like halo, and most importantly, behave like halo.

I'm ranting lol

[shadow turret]

Honestly same
I much prefer CEA graphics

[short flower]

So I think this sanctum defender gives the needler a classic finish. Top that off with the 2001 model of the gun with the pro team playoff bundles. Boom.

Dang that’s a lot of spartan points…

[hasty hedge]

Yep cater to what people enjoy in Halo and build onto it.

[left snow]

A great post... But I think it's important to remember that Halo is all things. To all people.

It is social. It is customs. And it is competitive.

Hopefully they can come up with something that keeps everyone happy.

[left snow]

We definitely need more social features.

Proximity chat is never coming back though. 🙂

We definitely need the ability to group up or rematch post game.

And bring back clans (Spartan Companies).

[foggy raptor]

bring back halo 5

[serene wave]

Hello! Has anyone played Ruby's Rebalanced Halo CE? I have a doubt.

[solemn portal]

?

[serene wave]

Okay so

||I'm replaying rebalanced halo ce. I got to 343 guilty spark - enabled all B1 containment stuff and enabled the B2 locks. I also saved the engineer and found Johnson. My question is, is the engineer supposed to activate that panel in the room? Cause it aint activating it. It's the containment breach for B2.||

^ spoilers for Ruby rebalanced halo ce

[solemn portal]

Might have to ask someone in Ruby's community for that one.

[serene wave]

Do you have a link? It would be great

[solemn portal]

Go to his Youtube page. The bot doesn't like when you post links.

[serene wave]

Thanks for the help!

[onyx aurora]

Hm

[versed wren]

It's absolutely ridiculous that Halo Infinite ranked has no rejoin option.

I cannot name a SINGLE game with ranked without a rejoin option.

[sleek hatch]

For real. They should do what mcc does for leaving a game.
If you join back... you dont get banned. You dont join back... you are banned?

Well maybe

[versed wren]

Rejoin should be a thing for every mode but slayer

In ranked

[glacial tartan]

Agree but it would be nice if they fixed the rejoin feature. It broke 8 months ago

[muted yacht]

the fact that ONI did flood experiments on humans is unforgiveable.

[white birch]

Thas ONI bro

[loud pier]

who’s tryna play

[sullen kiln]

If you're looking for other Spartans to join you in battle, check out our LFGs:

#lfg-competitive – For ranked/competitive matchmaking
#lfg-social – For social/casual matchmaking
#lfg-campaign - For campaign co-op
#lfg-forge - For map/mode building and testing
#lfg-customs - For custom games
#lfg-other – For firefight, spartan ops, etc
#lfg-español – Para jugadores hispanohablantes en cualquier categoría de juego
#lfg-hcs-scrims-or-teams – To help you find a team or secure some scrims

Don't forget to check out #lfg-and-voice-chat to learn about the !lfg bot, how to use it, and how to create your own voice channels.

[ashen rune]

I think Chips and Sarge have survived every mission I've seen them in so far in my heroic run, so it actually makes sense that they survive the events of halo 1 lol

which really makes ya think... the captain is really dumb

[winged hazel]

ever end up getting stuck on a particular part of a campaign mission for so long that you end up accidentally completing the "weekly warriors" quest trying to get out?

(the sole thing that inspired this question was the fact that i just did)

[short flower]

Gonna continuously NOT believe rumors and only listen to what gets confirmed. Fingers crossed for Friday.

[lucid prairie]

Yes it is

[civic sundial]

Wait until you hear about what they did to make the Spartan II and Spartan III programs

But also, you draw the line at the Flood experiments from Mona Lisa? And not the countless other human rights violations ONI does on the regular?

[muted yacht]

Those were undeniably terrible violations but getting infected by the flood is possibly the worst fate in the halo universe.

[delicate raptor]

Any idea when Halo 5 is coming to the Master Chief Collection?

[grizzled ruin]

HALO NEED TO TALK

Report: Generative Al is being heavily used to make new Halo games, including Halo CE Remake

@signal ivy

[sturdy kernel]

No info about ce remake
You fell to misinformation, wait till tomorrow(Friday)

[grizzled ruin]

@civic sundial

[civic sundial]

Why are you tagging me? I don't work on Halo (Neither does Aegis)

But also, the only things I've seen claiming AI is doing the work is people spreading misinformation

[grizzled ruin]

haelo

[weak eagle]

My sources tell me the new halo game will feature some sort of plot with gameplay mechanics

[thorn raven]

rebs is not a reliable source \

[atomic glade]

Hot take: I don't mind the next Halo game supposedly being a Combat Evolved remake/reboot. Though there are things that if happen I will heavily hate on that game.

[civic sundial]

What kind of things?

[atomic glade]

The AI stuff they mentioned, possibly sprint isn't being a mechanic, possibly Steve and Jen not being casted. And I want that game to heavily be based on Chief just like Infinite is. Also, I hope gameplay mechanics are advanced and it's not just walk and shoot.

[thorn raven]

has there been any info whatsoever about Steve and Jen not being cast? am i out of the loop

also all the AI stuff was literally just unfounded rumors which were mostly disproven by Jez Corden

[nova basalt]

Fake
Misinfo
Disinfo
False
Lies

[atomic glade]

Some Halo oldheads just got shocked by reading this

A father of 3 who used to play Halo CE in 2004 just got ptsd by reading that

[atomic glade]

There are huge rumors and controversies going on like a chaos and this is one of them. Plus I can't say that one thing I want to say here

It's a possibility, you know, this type of stuff happens.

[thorn raven]

fair enough. best bet is to just go on what is official. ive learnt to take rumors and leaks with a MASSIVE grain of salt

[civic sundial]

The Steve and Jen being recasted thing is something from over a decade ago which never happened. I don't get why people are acting like this is something which is about to happen, especially when last I checked, Steve has given no indication of any friction between himself and HS

[atomic glade]

I told this is a possibility and not confirmed yet.

[civic sundial]

My advice, stop listening to baseless rumours

[short flower]

T-minus 1 day until THE BIG DAY.

And worlds…

[cunning oyster]

I think Halo Studios should remove the ban penalty for leaving matches in the MCC. I think it would curb the sweating crisis we’re seeing.

[feral vale]

the rumor mill runs endless and people get caught in the undertow.

[glacial tartan]

It should definitely be reworked in some way. Fixing the rejoin bug would also help, since now we once again have no way to recover from crashes which sucks

[celest heron]

then people will complain about everyone always quitting which was why the ban was implemented originally. can't really have it both ways, but I do think the rejoin feature should be fixed.

[glacial tartan]

Banning on every single quit is way too heavy-handed, no?

If I quit once a day who cares.
If I quit multiple times a day every day maybe there should be some action.

Though I agree the reference point in 2025 is way different in terms of number of players etc

[celest heron]

maybe one freebie, but the current setup isn't that bad. Although, I think it should be changed so if the enemy team has quitters then you should be able to quit without penalty. I think it's currently just if your team quits unless I'm misremembering.

[glacial tartan]

Youre right with some nuance. Its if 50% of your team leaves - in Infinite RANKED its if 50% of EITHER team leaves.

Rejoining does totally break this though. Because if half your team leaves and you leave, but your teammates come back - now you're retroactively banned which is...dumb.

[onyx latch]

I'm so annoyed that the state of journalism is so thoroughly riven through by grifters and charlatans.

[celest heron]

seems like an oversight which should be changed.

[glacial tartan]

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with their comment? (I agree w/ what you said in concept but want to make sure im interpreting the direction correctly)

[onyx latch]

I do not like people pretending Rebs is trustworthy, so that should narrow it down.

[celest heron]

and people eat it up

[glacial tartan]

Okay based

[onyx latch]

Halo has a very staggeringly poor info environment because people just let their youtubers say crap without pushback even when they lie, or get things wrong, frequently.

[glacial tartan]

The last "bombshell" I saw from that person was about how there is huge problems between workers and management and my first thought was this person has never worked in any professional environment ever

Because thats like the most totally normal and expected thing ever

[onyx latch]

None of them have! They all made their damn money grifting on youtube!

[glacial tartan]

I havent figured out how he'll make a post and 12 seconds later its an article from someone totally different proclaiming it as true

But thats the times we live in I guess

[short flower]

10 years of Halo 5 on Monday…

[versed holly]

It’s why I don’t bother with “content creators” for Halo. The majority of the time it’s them yapping for 15 minutes on head canon, repeating the same thing over and over in vids, and wildly speculative rumors that likely came from a troll.

[tulip tusk]

so what do you guys think leave your comments below

[onyx latch]

I wanted to, but I realized that me both being trans and actually being a stalwart defender of 5's campaign as the most misunderstood campaign in the franchise was likely going to get me doxxed and harassed.

[versed holly]

Sorry what’s the connection between you and content creators? Not understanding what you’re trying to say 😅

[tepid arrow]

[onyx latch]

I wanted to actually work on Halo related content creation.

[versed holly]

Ahhhh

[onyx latch]

Had scripts and everything, was even halfway through making a video.

[versed holly]

Gotcha. Well don’t let your dreams be memes, hope it works out for you mate

[tepid arrow]

Go for it

You got this

[versed holly]

Don’t mind my cynicism

[weak eagle]

I am actually in the process of making some halo stop motion stuff. Will probably create a simple scene first

[misty sand]

Seconded, social matchmaking shouldn't have ban penalties and in an ideal world would have join in progress too

I'm all for leaving quit penalties in place for ranked, but social should be drop in drop out

[ashen rune]

I don't believe you

[wooden briar]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-wyatt-parks-and-recreation-requiem-requiem-for-a-tuesday-powerpoint-gif-15998010

[left snow]

There is a lower level of Hell reserved for Quitters.

They deserve everything we throw at them. And more.

[uneven bison]

I think halo studios should up the ban penalty because quitters suck and ruin games

There I countered the horrible take

[winged hazel]

you know there's also the people who quit and then use cheats to give someone else the resulting ban

or at least i think that's how that works, need to observe it more closely

[winged hazel]

usually too busy not dying (and failing miserably)

[lucid prairie]

That sounds possible but someone who cheats wouldn't quit a game I imagine

[short flower]

So like 15 hours until worlds? Man I wish I could’ve made it.

[lunar lintel]

Hey, is there a link I can use for UNSC ships? I’m playing a mod on Stellaris but I don’t know ship references/names well enough to fit them

[signal ivy]

https://www.halopedia.org/Category:UNSC_ships

[versed holly]

What time is the next halo project reveal?

[tulip tusk]

1pm PT

[versed holly]

Ty

[sullen kiln]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/471727594392256513/1430317778803495052/G3ajqTLW4AAggQd.png?ex=68fca27c&is=68fb50fc&hm=77645fa9cfe8f2fa0bd8283049354a08a1fbb40fcedc6e5e745d5505f7239801&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1383&height=778

[whole cloud]

4 hours and 15 minutes

[coarse dagger]

Less

[sullen kiln]

Games begin at <t:1761332400>
Announcement at approx. <t:1761336000>

[whole cloud]

oh right it is 3 hours

no one ever posts when it starts in central standard time

this event will either keep me in the halo community a lil longer, or it will make me leave the franchise all together

[celest heron]

4 hours til we know the future.

[short flower]

CE music all day in celebration

[icy spindle]

I know we still got a bit longer with Infinite, but new games are going to start coming, and HCS Infinite is winding down. I am legitimately going to miss Infinite. Barring the really terrible first year, I have had great memories with Infinite.

[whole cloud]

I'm glad it's almost over tbh

no more fomo events or feeling like I'm being forced to play the most boring modes to grind the next pass before it expires

[icy spindle]

If you own the pass it doesn't expire, anything you didn't get if you didn't buy it ends up in the exchange, there's other things to complain about, that isn't one

[sleek hatch]

Except the last few passes.
I have noticed a lot of players going to MCC

[cobalt mantle]

I quite enjoyed infinite

[whole cloud]

but I don't feel like giving halo studios any money

and there isn't much else to complain about because infinite doesn't have anything else that interests me tbh

I'm not that into pvp so i don't touch those modes, firefight while not as stressful as pvp gets boring and repetitive after a couple of matches, and the only reason I still played the game was to get the free cosmetics because i like trying to collect or earn items, but I'm just tired of doing the same stuff over and over again

[icy spindle]

That seems less like an issue withg the game and more you are just not a multiplayer person

[whole cloud]

yeah...

I'm a halo fan for the story and lore

and the last 3 years of halo was just shop updates and multi-player maps...

[icy spindle]

I like both aspects of Halo, though Firefight is far and away my favorite part of Infinite

[whole cloud]

ig but it gets repetitive real quick...

[icy spindle]

I want more campaigns though. They really should consider a single live service multiplayer so they can release campaign without needing to release a multiplayer every time.

[whole cloud]

they "allegedly" are planning to do that maybe

but my expectations are still honestly low

[icy spindle]

Rumors are one thing, and I haven't seen enough people corraborate that yet for me to put stock into it

Like today being a CE remake annoucement seems likely because every insider and their mother are saying it

[whole cloud]

tbh idk what they can do with halo narrative wise to get me interested again besides going full ramake...

like before infinite released my expectations were kinda high, maybe too high, but i was still excited for the campaign, and before the game came out, i read like over half of all the halo novels and comics to get ready, replayed every game, and watched every relevant lore video

and after playing the campaign... i felt like i wasted so much time and effort...

[icy spindle]

So, Halo 7 I am really interested in, and the last thing I want is for them to just throw out everything Infinite did.

Give me Atriox, give me the Endless

Halo Infinite is weird in that it was clearly finishing Halo 5's story while also setting up a new story, so if they just decide to chuck the new story out and start over.....again, I'll roll my eyes way too hard

[whole cloud]

the created plot being unsatisfyingly dropped completely, cheif and cortana only getting some half butt closure, atriox just pleacing out, the banished just feeling like a reskined covenant, a brand new villain that promises will be something big when we might never see them in a game again... and I'm just tired...

like it feels like most of the lore i want to see in a game is in book purgatory now...

[icy spindle]

The Created is an interesting aspect. I think Infinite really needed Prometheans.

There's a way to fix all of this, which is simply, Halo 7 actually continuing Infinite

That's all they need to do, have Halo 7 continue with the Banished, Atriox, the Endless. Hell, once Atriox returns, have the Created(who are still around) go after the Banished for "killing" Cortana

[whole cloud]

like halsey, blue team, Osiris, the infinity, pretty much everything from halo 4 and 5 and in between, even halo wars 2, i feel like all that stuff doesn't mean anything now, along with anything infinite tried to set up

I'll have to wait for the 20 novels to get some closure to any of that, and frankly I've read enough halo books...

[icy spindle]

That's a little melodramatic.

I am not convinced they are going to throw out Infinite's story yet

And Infinite tied up Halo 4 and 5

Created still being around, not withstanding

[whole cloud]

in an unsatisfying way

[icy spindle]

I partially agree and partially disagree with that sentiment

The Chief and Cortana stuff was plenty satisfying to me. Having the Infinity go down right at the beginning of the game wasn't so satisfying to me

[whole cloud]

okay ik 5's plot 2 wasn't good, but they could've tried to make something good out of it... not just essentially have 5's conclusion happen off screen and you just having to headcanon from what happened before infinite from the bits and pieces it gives you

[icy spindle]

And again, I feel like Zeta Halo should've had Prometheans on it

[icy spindle]

It's not headcanon? This is a legitimate story telling technique, the whole thing about Infinite is learning about what happened, you piece it together through the story and audio logs.

[whole cloud]

I know that

[icy spindle]

How they told Infinite's story just works for me

[whole cloud]

but it wasn't what i wanted and i didn't find it satisfying

[icy spindle]

That's different than headcanoning things

That's subjectivity

[whole cloud]

it poorly executed being a sequel, and it poorly executed setting up a new story

[icy spindle]

I disagree with both of those points actually. Halo 5 being concluded in a way where everything went to hell and you have to figure out what happened resonates with me, seeing the aftermath.

It did plenty fine setting up the new story, the only question that remains is if Halo 7 actually continues with it

[sinful nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/arbiter-were-it-so-easy-halo-difficult-gif-16171194

[whole cloud]

then ig the franchise is dead to me

unless they do something radical

[icy spindle]

Or you find you actually like the Endless.

[whole cloud]

i want to like the endless

but there's nothing to them rn, and idk if we will ever know

it's just nothing be set up to a sequel that might not exist

like amazing spider-man 2 or force awakens, nothing but potential but without that they have nothing of substance or value

[mortal star]

the endless are a vauge nothing burger that they hitned at in the most non commital terms possible all game and tried to pull that "worse than the flood" BS when the flood nearly devoured the entrie galaxy the endless is a farce and waste of time and now that campaign updates aren't happeing likely yet another abondoned plot point to add to the list of dropped plot points in halo

[whole cloud]

exactly

[icy spindle]

You understand this mindset is putting Halo Studios into a situation where they will never make you happy right?

I said they should continue Infinite's story with Halo 7 and you said the franchise is dead to you in response.

Then you say you want to like the Endless but you don't think we will ever learn.

So damned if they continue with the Endless, damned if they scrap it.

[mortal star]

Show, don't tell. Simple

[whole cloud]

best case scenario it gets resolved in a book

[whole cloud]

and infinite was the complete opposite

telling us about the stuff that would've made a great halo game, instead of showing us

[whole cloud]

they should've made a good game then

[icy spindle]

.....Are you actually serious? 343 made an okay game, but that's irrelevant to what Halo Studios does with Halo 7. Honestly you should just leave the fandom, because you are never going to be happy with it again, two to three years out and you have already decided you hate Halo 7

Which is fine, but why still be here?

[mortal star]

"You should leave the fandom because you don't like what the studio is doing" and the people wonder why the actual fandom is shrinking year by year

Love how all airing of grieances ends in "you're not a real fan then if your critical of things"

[icy spindle]

They don't know what the studio is doing and the two options, continue with Infinite's story or abandon Infinite's story and the only two options, and they decided they hate both options

[whole cloud]

I don't like the story of infinite, and while i hope it tries to make up for infinite in the next game, the truth is that i just don't believe in halo studios i just don't

there's a good chance steve downes will retire or pass away before we get any proper conclusion to chief's story... and I'm just afraid and sad that that's a possibility

[icy spindle]

So what other solution is there but to just leave the fandom?

[mortal star]

They also have a long history of pivoting their heels with every new game, never commiting to a story line and setting things up only to resolve them elsewhere or not at all. People are allowed to be a fan of a franchise and not like the direction it is being steered in by corpos and their defenders

They didn't commit to showing chief's humanity and keeping cortana dead in 4, they didn't commit to their plot at the end of 5

[icy spindle]

Okay so option A, which is continue Infinite's story should be the preference, but they made it clear they don't like that option either..........................

[mortal star]

why should anybody expect them to commit and do anything with the endless?

[whole cloud]

like i genuinely want halo to be good... but i don't think halo studios has the time now before either steve goes away or xbox as a whole crumbles

[icy spindle]

Xbox consoles may crumble, but as a game development company it will be fine

[whole cloud]

let's think about this

their next game is maybe the ce remake, and they also maybe have a multiplayer game

how long will it take for halo 7 then if those 2 are real?

[icy spindle]

Well if we're basing things on rumors, those two would both be 2026. Halo 7 with be 2027 or 28

According to the rumors

[whole cloud]

halo 7 i don't expect until maybe like 2029 or 30

[icy spindle]

Based on?

You might be right, but is there anything you're basing that on

[whole cloud]

or l9nger

[whole cloud]

there was a 6 year wait between 5 and infinite

a 5 or possibly more between infinite and this new game

and you expect a halo 7 with a whole new campaign to be the year after this next game?

[tulip tusk]

im surprised there arent dumb ai robot soldiers in halo maybe thats a good thing. i think closest are prometheans but theyre like digital robots that seem to need a sacrificial being to be digitized

[icy spindle]

Because Halo 7 has been in development for a year or two now. Halo Infinite had a lot of development issues in 6 years, the game we got was more of a three year development window.

[whole cloud]

where's your source?

[mortal star]

do you have a source on "Halo 7 has been in development for at least a year now"?

[whole cloud]

I'm pretty sure they're focus is on the remake and the new multiplayer live service standalone

[icy spindle]

Job listings, rumors, reading between the lines with what Halo Studios themselves have said

[mortal star]

ah the oold reliable "Trust me bro"

[whole cloud]

but still, i don't think halo studios is somehow working on 3 separate games at once, after everything that has happened with all those layoffs the past couple of years, it just isn't realistic

[icy spindle]

No it is what I just said, there's a paper trail you can follow. Could I be wrong? Obviously, I don't work at Halo Studios. But piecing things together, Halo 7 probably started development at some point in 2024 ish

[coarse dagger]

Reminder that we don't allow discussion of leaks - real or fake.

[whole cloud]

and xbox is on a roll with making bad decisions, if what they got cooking up isn't great and under preforms, halo might be done for

[icy spindle]

Fair enough, am I able to talk about job postings and things Halo Studios said, or just move on

[coarse dagger]

Things that have been officially announced, or publicly talked about by studio employees is fine. Job listings are fine, but you're not always going to get much of a picture from a job listing.

[icy spindle]

Okay, thank you.

In that case, Halo Studios within the last year have been hiring people, they also said they are working on mutliple projects, which means more than one. Unreal is easier to develop with than Slipspace or Blam. Certain Affinity has a history of working on Halo, and they based on things their employees have said on Linkdin(And I also believe they have said publically) are working on Halo right now.

So my guess is the Halo game they're announcing today is CE related, based on the tech demo from last year which was full of CE assets. Then Halo 7 in 2027 which if I am right that it started in 2024 would give it three years of development, which is roughly what Infinite got without restarting development and with a much easier to use engine.

[versed holly]

well its confirmed. Check the xbox website for the upcoming game

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/store/halo-campaign-evolved/9N683TDT5M7R/0010

[solid canopy]

It looks cool

Ig

Some things look way too shiney/bright

Maybe it's just it being an early version of the game or the virtue of it being on Unreal 5, but half the time it felt more like a mod than an actual next game

The HUD feels a little too Halo 5 for my liking

[mystic idol]

looks good but damn i thought there were multiple projects

[scarlet shuttle]

If people never played Halo CE or any Halo since its existence, I doubt they are excited to play Halo on Playstation 🤔 They would have done it at one point or another in the past 25 years. The only people excited so far are the one that says byebye Xbox 🤣 knowing they can leave for Playstation and enjoy the only game that was keeping them on Xbox.

[lost trellis]

So...are we calling this remake "Halo CE2" just to distinguish it from base, PC, and CEA?

[solid canopy]

Xbox is obviously moving towards becoming a publisher over a console manufacturer

[mystic idol]

how u only gonna drop campaign

[sinful nymph]

Very whelmed all I can say. I expected H3 on krack but alas

https://tenor.com/view/arbiter-were-it-so-easy-halo-difficult-gif-16171194

[solid canopy]

It being campaign only doesn't bother me that much

[mystic idol]

bro is so out of the loop lmao

[scarlet shuttle]

There won’t be any multiplayer?

[sinful nymph]

Duck a campaign give me multiplayer good refreshing OG experience no sprint bs go back to your roots GOD

[scarlet shuttle]

They should have created a multiplayer for upcoming remakes, 1 for all, with new maps each time a campaign is released.

[lost trellis]

Sadly gone are the days where we can expect a game to have a good MP and campaign.

[signal blade]

Why does staff delete opinions

[mystic idol]

yeah waiting for the entire year only to be given campaign leaves a bad taste in mouth ngl ahh man

[sinful nymph]

THE BAR ISNT ON THE FLOOR, ITS BURIED 10 ft DEEP AND THEY KEEP BURYING IT FURTHER....

[solid canopy]

Having to build a new dedicated multiplayer exprience for every major game is not practical

Especially if they have multiple games in development

[scarlet shuttle]

1 for 3.

[sinful nymph]

Its so frustrating man, its like cmon... GIVE ME A REASON TO GET AN XBOX AGAIN

[solid canopy]

Xbox obviously isn't interested in that

[coarse dagger]

Items that get removed are removed because they break the rules. If you want to talk about a message of yours that gore removed, feel free to DM @upbeat plover

[scarlet shuttle]

Don’t need, Xbox consoles are over.

[solid canopy]

If they were, The Initative wouldn't have crashed and burned like it did

[signal blade]

DM sent

[sinful nymph]

Yeah i can tell they just whacked themselves in the foot it hurts to see. Like positives sure restart it all fire everyone to sun but just open ur eyes go back to your roots.

Crowbat, Dunkey that one guy with Halo marketing campaign, they literally served the company EXACTLY what they need to do FOR FREE. Its like they forgot what made Halo, Halo and trying to copy the COD, Fortnite and co when WE SET THE STANDARD DAMMIT

IM DONE just take me out back

[scarlet shuttle]

They will probably release a pre-made PC by Xbox, and might even release some sort of modular Xbox PC so you they’ll be able to sell for many price point and let you upgrade when you are ready to.

[mystic idol]

k guys ill be back in another year when they reveal multiplayer mention me guys jkjk

[solid canopy]

What the hell are you going on about

[mystic idol]

xbox has been dead since series X

[solid canopy]

(2013)

Really before that

They stopped pushing as hard as they did and began to coast by on the same three reliable series of "Halo, Gears, Forza" and alienated their core base and developers with the focus on Kinect

[sinful nymph]

I just don't understand man. And likely never will. Master Chief doesn't deserve this ship man Im absolutely past the point of giving a ... But it's just so insane to me that they keep dropping the ball over and over again, they need to make a documentary on the downfall of this franchise. Fun fact: they just confirmed it has sprint just like the OG CE bahahahha

[solid canopy]

During this time Sony managed to rebound with major game releases, console revisions, and by the time of the Xbox One announcement, managed to hit Xbox in all of it's weak spots

After that Xbox managed to recover, but for multiple reasons ranging from being out of touch, incompetence, or just being unable to manage a games studio, Xbox never regained quite the level of success or notoriety they had between 2001-2008

If the amount of cancellations for Game Pass Ultimate are any sign, Microsoft's vision for Xbox clearly isn't sticking with their core audience. They will likely continue to exist primaraly as a publisher and to manage the IPs they deem "important" enough to keep around

[coarse dagger]

You can disable sprinting in campaign to make it work just like classic CE

[paper garden]

Disabled or not, it occupies valuable controller button real estate. Feels like a fundamental misunderstanding of classic halo.

[mystic idol]

how are u half of u critiquing sprint and not the fact we didnt get multiplayer

[solid canopy]

Because this is a Halo CE remake and not Halo 7

[vivid hemlock]

How do we all feel about the Halo CE remake? Just curious to see what the community has to say.

[short flower]

Looks good!

[solid canopy]

Somebody here described their feelings as "Wealmed" and that about sums it up for me

[cosmic dome]

I think it looks good, it's an early build as they said so there are still some problems

People desperately want to hate and they use any cope imaginable

[coarse dagger]

It looks and feels like Halo (having played the build), visually it's stunning - I honestly can't wait to see how much better it looks in a year's time

[solid canopy]

Some of it is cool like the new levels. Some of the visuals look off. I'm not sure if I'm in love with every level being built for 4 player co-op, especially with Halo 5's less than stellar attempt at it.

I'll see where it is in a year

[cosmic dome]

The comments on the video are an actual cess pit.

Just "duh 343 bad", "halo is dead " "you are creativity bankrupt" "you added nothing new"

Notice how all of this isnt even actual criticism

Another one is "looks like a fangame"

Which I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean. I think these people legitimately believed a remake would just be Ce with better graphics

[potent pewter]

Ignore them, slme just like to complain

[lone basalt]

Please please please redo the library mission to make it less tedious that’s all I’m asking

[low bloom]

Genuinly this remake needs delayed if theres no multiplayer because there needs to be, especially as this game is providing a new sandbox experiance not found in the original

[onyx latch]

I mean, I can agree with one to a point.

[jolly cypress]

Captain America Civil War is happening rn.

[broken raft]

the remake is gonna look bad

[gleaming lantern]

Agree!

[onyx latch]

Three are stupid or baseless, but... A remaster? In 2025?

That's not exactly using your creativity glands.

[jolly cypress]

Just show me a Halo 7 teaser or something...

[broken raft]

"we gotta remake everything under the sun because idiots will pay money for it"

[jolly cypress]

Or Halo Wars 3.

[spice orchid]

Animations look bad

[onyx latch]

I'm sure the actual game will be fine. I find it extremely questionable to go with this as the angle though.

[white lichen]

from the looks of it already i see nothing but problems and no signs of solutions for those problems with this "remaster/remake/retreading"

[broken raft]

the pic just looks like halo infinite and i bet thats what the remake is gonna look like lol

[onyx latch]

343I hasn't really managed to make a game that was mechanically bad yet, even with the game that was built on Reach's skeleton.

[lament steppe]

Would you guys think Campaign Evolved would be Unreal Engines version of MCC? Hence the name Campaign Evolved they can use the same assets and continue to remake OG Halo titles until Reach as DLC's. Just a thought I had.

[spice orchid]

I was very pro ce remake but this looks closer to another remaster with how it plays than a proper remake

[onyx latch]

Because this is basically the definition of 'playing it safe'.

[cosmic dome]

They are adding new missions, that's definitely not just doing the bare minimum, + new weapons from 2,3 and reach

[broken raft]

the gameplay doesnt need to be remade duh

[white lichen]

they've introduced sprint, hijacking and are allegedly also introducing weapons from the successive entries (battle rifle, needle rifle etc)

[cosmic dome]

What do you want then? They are adding new content

[broken raft]

unreal 5 sucks

[cosmic dome]

• 3 prequel missions

[onyx latch]

Conversely, I think that is what should be considered the bare minimum.

[white lichen]

basically you're paying howver-much-they'll-price-this for a nintendo hire this man mod of CE

[onyx latch]

Well, preferably, them to actually commit to a storyline instead of what this is.

[cosmic dome]

It's a hybrid engine, so its not just 5

[cosmic dome]

Its probably just a fall of reach adaptation

[onyx latch]

IDK. I was initially a lot more pissed.

Right now I kinda just... Don't really care all that much. Like, cool, whatever. I guess it's fine.

[white lichen]

i'm already at the point of acceptance, i'm just going to let the franchise regurgitate and fail to actually innovate beyond making skinwalkers of the original trilogy

[onyx latch]

I'll problably just get it on sale in a few years and wait for the next thing.

[cosmic dome]

Should be but definitely isn't. They could have just done the basics of making it play a little differently and having the exact same content

They're doing enough to actually make it its own separate game

[onyx latch]

I'm sure it'll come out that this was a whole Microsoft-side push for some stupid reason.

I'll give the studio itself the benefit of the doubt here, because frankly, making a CERM right now just strikes me as so... Corporate.

[broken raft]

what do you mean 343 has always been crap

[red roost]

So for the new halo game just announced. Am I the only one getting weird AI generation vibes?

[onyx latch]

Nah.

[broken raft]

they just grabbed random people from the industry to create it

[white lichen]

nah, you aren't. this was literally warned about

[onyx latch]

Again, no.

[white lichen]

there's def. gonna be some of this stuff in there. it's just not obvious

[fringe hedge]

Yeah it unnerved me

[onyx latch]

Oh, as for the AI, I literally only want that to be untrue because I find Halotubers insufferable.

[sudden pecan]

I'm once again excited for Halo, hopefully the remake is signs of good things to come

[broken raft]

right because they needed a higher up from ea sports to be a higher up for halo games

[white lichen]

this wasn't just warned about or covered strictly by "halotubers" tho

[onyx latch]

rebs is a Halotuber.

[white lichen]

this was legit how some of the laid off staff exited

[onyx latch]

And he was the source for most of the places pushing this.

I question Reb's judgement and veracity.

[white lichen]

what level of source tho. is it a first hand source or a second hand source

[onyx latch]

Shockingly, people who work in a specific field, tend to keep working in that specific field.

[onyx latch]

I doubt Rebs would say what his source is.

Beyond vague theatrics that keep an audience listening.

[broken raft]

do you not understand why it was a bad idea

[onyx latch]

... To have someone who works in the gaming industry, usually for decades, to continue working in the gaming industry? No, I don't see how that is any worse of an idea than having a guy working in the gaming industry to continue working in the gaming industry.

[broken raft]

different genre of games dawg

[onyx latch]

...

[broken raft]

not to mention its also ea games so full of experience of lootboxes and bad decisions

[onyx latch]

That's the issue you were going for? I was taking it as an EA bad, not "Oh my god this guy worked on sports games".

Also, Valve was more the avatar of the lootboxing gaming trend, they just get less flack for it because they let you resell your crap.

I say, with about $250 in my Steam Inventory.

[broken raft]

???? i wasnt saying theyre the creators of it

[magic loom]

what about the spartan laser? i thought it was a new weapon for infinite or is that coming

[quasi nexus]

this game is gonna run like oblivion remastered. you can already see drops in their demo

[onyx latch]

Neither was I.

[broken raft]

ANOTHER 6 BILLION TO UNREAL 5

[quasi nexus]

i had to refund obilivion over those frame drops haha

[glad juniper]

what i miss

[magic loom]

picture has a spartan laser it looks so great but whats up with that? is it gonna be added to infinite as a new weapon or just for show?

[quasi nexus]

an unreal 5 halo ce remake

[whole cloud]

i really hope the game is actually optimized and playable on launch

[placid narwhal]

Look at that sprint is optional for all the people who cry about that

[glad juniper]

oh boy

i guess they're still 343

[placid narwhal]

You can literally just turn it off that’s good

[magic loom]

Sprint is cool I dont mind it, you can even disable it too which is awesome

[placid narwhal]

Exactly

[quasi nexus]

surprised it wasn't halo mcc ported to playstation instead of whatever this is haha

[winter vessel]

They said they are

[placid narwhal]

I’ll play with sprint cuz I don’t care but if u wanna throw a fit then turn it off

[white birch]

sideways momentum

[glad juniper]

this is what i thought they were gonna do but microsoft's leadership keeps fumbling the ball lol

[quasi nexus]

i agree but i can still play mcc so i'm good.

[magic loom]

I dislike the library mission but hope they keep it how it is, if it had to change maybe just add more enemies types or do what ruby rebalance did

[winter vessel]

I always liked the library but they did announce they would we tweaking it

[broken raft]

you dont need sprint in an arena like game

[gleaming lantern]

Halo an arena shooter???

[cosmic dome]

What even is your argument lmao.

[placid narwhal]

you dont need it but you can have it lol its not the end of the world

[distant mulch]

Fireteam Raven story campaign please? :D

[gleaming lantern]

I always think of quake lol

[distant mulch]

I want to play as an ODST in a new game

[broken raft]

no but it takes ques from it

[uneven bison]

For multiplayer. Campaign less so.

[broken raft]

or at least it did

[quasi nexus]

sadly i sort of agree. i'm well beyond disappointment now. i kinda just know it's gonna go down this way every time now haha/ hate to be negative but this was a huge misfire

[cosmic dome]

Oh no problems in an old demo for a game that's nine months away from release!

[broken raft]

now everything has to be homogenous and codlike

[distant mulch]

Halo hasn't like copied COD since Halo 4

[magic loom]

We gonna get multiplayer theres alot of maps to remake to be fair. it may come out much later after camapign stuff is done

[white lichen]

what is your justification for this to exist

[gleaming lantern]

I do think they could cut some of the library portion

[uneven bison]

At this point fans who compare everything they don’t like to cod are worse than cod fans themselves

[glad juniper]

that classic arguement. it never improves much. look at halo 6. they took 7 years and laid an egg lol

[whole cloud]

genuinely surprised we aren't getting a new multiplayer next year

[cosmic dome]

The last one is legitimately garbage.

[vivid hemlock]

What do you guys think they meant by “prequel” when they were talking about the 3 bonus missions?

[broken raft]

halo infinite

[quasi nexus]

you're not really wrong honestly

[white lichen]

and this one that is showing some of the same pitfalls as that last one is different how?

[magic loom]

I would not mind that

[cosmic dome]

Because they spent more than half of that developing the engine?

[quasi nexus]

halo 6 did not copy cod at all

[whole cloud]

especially since i think halo studios said after 2025 hcs is done with infinite, so i assume updates would stop too

[onyx latch]

I mean, as long as we're pointing fingers, it started with Reach.

[broken raft]

sprint, ads and such

[glad juniper]

instead this is a dual engine with ur5 having a consistent frame drop issue

[distant mulch]

Halo Infinite doesn't play like Call of Duty at all

[white lichen]

at least the last one only had the misfortune of being an ugly reskin but still playing the same. this one is an ugly reskin and hamfisting mechanics in to 25 year old levels that were not designed with them in mind

[onyx latch]

Hell, I'd say ODST was technically the first shot.

[quasi nexus]

the industry as a whole drove that. cod set that standard 20 years ago. it was also only certain weapons

[low bloom]

Crazy they are adding more content to the sandbox but not giving us a multiplayer to try it in at all, the same multiplayer that was so beloved it spawned red vs blue

[broken raft]

true but it was only a selectable ability

[low bloom]

No unreal blood gulch

[cosmic dome]

They have plenty of time to make nee models,.that's why they said it was an early build. We haven't actually seen the dark parts yet so we can't judge anything on that.

Do you even know why the last one was bad?

[onyx latch]

Oh, no, it copied more than just abilities.

[low bloom]

They better have plenty of time to add a multiplayer mode

[broken raft]

halo didnt need to copy cod to be successful

[onyx latch]

The picatinny grunge aesthetic, the modern war style camera and story direction, the "Dark and gritty" approach to plot.

[distant mulch]

A lot of other games also have those mechanics and none if them play like COD still. Also ADS with scoped weapons have been a thing since CE and other weapons just give a zoom, something Quake 3 also have

[onyx latch]

Good thing it didn't unless you only play CoD and Halo.

[white lichen]

#halo-discussion message

[broken raft]

but not almost every gun

[quasi nexus]

there's a difference between using industry wide mechanics in some forms to copying. battlefield 6 is an example of copying call of duty. not halo 6

[cosmic dome]

They said already they redid the levels a bit. It's not one to one

[glad juniper]

bf6 does play a lot like mw2019 bro

[broken raft]

theyre both examples of trying to appeal to as wide of an audience as possible and incompetency

[distant mulch]

I said exactly what I said. Weapons with scopes to ADS are a thing since CE and every other weapon just has a zoom

[quasi nexus]

halo 6 was a lot more like older halos than like halo 4 or cod. sio much so it kinda made it feel dated on arrival

[distant mulch]

BF6 has vehicles in big maps and squads and a lot of team mechanics, MW 2019 pretty much isn't anything like Battlefield

[broken raft]

lmao "dated"

[glad juniper]

it did look and feel kinda old on release

[distant mulch]

I am also convinced none of them actually play the games they talk about either

[glad juniper]

maybe it was the 2 years of netcode issues but it never really felt like a AAA halo

[magic loom]

only things I didnt like was the AR didnt have the 60 ammo, no more gold elites but just reuse the elite general from infinite. health bar missing for vehicles and marines. energy sword was dim looking. other than those things Im loving this remake

[broken raft]

this kind of thinking rots the brain

[glad juniper]

okay mr buzzword

[quasi nexus]

no need to get upset man

[broken raft]

you know people who use words that arent neutral doesnt mean theyre upset

[quasi nexus]

insulting people over their opinions does tho. relax bromie

[glad juniper]

😂

[magic loom]

hey geist what did you like about the ce remake did you see it?

[whole cloud]

I'm just glad they didn't recast the actors or replaced them with AI

[glad juniper]

bro been defending this way too hard people just discussing it

[winter vessel]

I’m also disappointed about the AR but it’s probably because they want to make it play like the newer games

[quasi nexus]

a positive considering how hard ms is pushing ai

[quasi nexus]

the sounds are kinda bad. they gotta improve some of them

[magic loom]

with that thinking Im alright with that direction, even the health bar matches the halo 3 one and later ones too

[whole cloud]

yeah, but there might be ai in other places we don't know about yet like in art, gameplay, or misc voices for the enemies or marines

[broken raft]

expecting games to arbitrarily push graphics is unreasonable

[quasi nexus]

i'm expecting games to not have frame drops and that's what i'm most concerned with. it happened in the video they showed us lol

[broken raft]

im talking about what fez said

[whole cloud]

yeah... my biggest fear now is if the game is actually Playable to begin with

given the how infamous UE5 is

[quasi nexus]

it said it looked and felt dated which is mostly opinion but he's pretty correct. both were complaints at launch

he even said maybe it was the netcode making it worse

[quasi nexus]

i'm worried based off of 2 things. 343's track record and microsoft's last dual engine UR5 game oblivion having some of the worst frame drops i've ever played.

[glad juniper]

is it a dual engine??

[whole cloud]

absolutely yeah

[quasi nexus]

someone confirm that i was told this by my brother. i only watched the demo level m

[coarse dagger]

It's UE5 with legacy code and systems running underneath

[whole cloud]

especially since there's a good chance the devs might be crunched and are being forced to rush this out

[quasi nexus]

ty i didn't wanna spread misinformation

[glad juniper]

all i can say is ugh

i may have bought mcc on PS but idk about this one. i'll just -play mcc on pc forever haha

[magic loom]

It seemed to have run fine, makes me wonder how many enemies could run around before the game starts slowing down

[white birch]

Then do so

[broken raft]

it looked okay, i expect them to make areas too bright and miss the look the original was going for like with ce anniversary

[glad juniper]

a halo 3 visual upgrade would have made most sense but hey it's 343 😄

[gleaming lantern]

MCC could still come to PS

[coarse dagger]

The build plays really well tbh, and it looks fantastic.

[broken raft]

regardless ce didnt need a second remaster

[magic loom]

the remake did seem less brighter than the CEA one. cant wait to compare the two

[onyx latch]

It looks like a tolerable experience. New missions are fine.

[glad juniper]

i'd love to get it just for the sake of getting trophies again

[gleaming lantern]

I want it on Switch 2 lol

[glad juniper]

ifdk if i wanna pay AAA prices for severe frame drops though

[broken raft]

fez you never wanna pay AAA prices

[quasi nexus]

i'd definitely buy it immediately on my switch 2

[glad juniper]

i did buy silent hill f on day one this year

[magic loom]

these halo cosplayers holy hell, halo armor is done so well by them they could make that in real life and seems to practical

huge props

[coarse dagger]

Any frame issues you're seeing with current builds and very unlikely to still be happening by release. It's still early in development

[broken raft]

doubt

[glad juniper]

we were told that about obivlion too

and that had the worst frame drops of this gen (that i know of)

[coarse dagger]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lost trellis]

told this by every game that released in a bad state.

[glad juniper]

"just trust us" dice sweden on 2042 😄

[broken raft]

i dont get how people can be so naive about aaa studios

people just dont think and appeal to it because "giant corporation must mean theyre competent"

[glad juniper]

something we agree on 100%

[lost trellis]

Just very idsappointe with sprint being there. Apprently you can disable it but that just means so much more now. It still takes up an input, it still changes map flow and gameplay. It's weird no matter how you slice it, disabled or enabled.

[gleaming lantern]

I’m absolutely gonna be sprinting lmao

[glad juniper]

it's just story mode

if it were mp too i'd say adding sprint would be silly but it's also a remake, not remaster

adding sprint is one of the best things oblivion remastered did

[quasi nexus]

definitely true

[lost trellis]

I'm aware but that doesn't change how it's impact. Story mode or not, it's still a full input on a controller which is already pretty bad for option real-estate.

[glad juniper]

what action are you thinking you're gonna be missing out on by havving a sprint button?

[gleaming lantern]

Ok that’s sounding like a personal problem

[lost trellis]

possibly endless, that's how that works. I'd much rather it be a flat "If you move while not in combat, you sprint" and not have it take up an input on a controller

[glad juniper]

unless they're adding new ones idk what it could be

i don't get what you mean really it sounds like a stretch. not trying to be rude

[lost trellis]

To explain it better, a controller only has so many buttons, those buttons can only do certain things without clashing together. I.E. Pressing B to melee, holding B to eat a hamburger would kind of clash together. That's one of the major disadvantages of console versus PC, a keyboard just has far more options for functions a player can do with adding double presses, twin tapping and so on, on to a control scheme. If sprint isn't a button, that button can be used for something else like equipment, special interactions or something entirely new that the devs came up with.

[coarse dagger]

I'm sure you'll be able to remap

[glad juniper]

yeah i don't think that was a problem with any of the halos but i could be wrong.

[gleaming lantern]

I don’t think it’s a problem at all lmao

[glad juniper]

halo 1 only has so many inputs to begin with too

[lost trellis]

that isn't the point. The fact that it's there already reduces the options.

[lost trellis]

now this is the point. I want alot more to come from a full on remake like this, not "we have sprint". There's alot more they could do. No reason sprint shouldn't just be a passive.

[quasi nexus]

i get what hes saying but i don't think it sounds like it's gonna be an issue. also you can remap on playstation at least. i think xbox too

[lost trellis]

I just find it annoying is all. One of the biggest gripes I've always had with console games is pointless button inputs. Things that should just activate or be a passive will often be a button and often times a bad button choice too. Like how some games will have the button to open a door be your melee. Meaning if you're in a fight and trying to open a door, you'll often just melee instead. It's just very bad optimization that shouldn't be an issue.

[versed holly]

is it just me or do the weapons in the reveal sound muted?

[lost trellis]

Probably done on purpose because of the music IMO

[quasi nexus]

they do sounds really soft and honestly kinda bad.

[versed holly]

especially the plasma rifle and spnkr

[vague nebula]

the pistol sounds terrible

[magic loom]

i heard the infinite chain gun sound I think used for the AR not sure how I feel about it

[quasi nexus]

lol pretty much all of them do too but i think the plasma is the worst

honestly i think they should shelve this for awhile. it needs work. i don't believe 343 can have this ready in 9 more months

[versed holly]

guess im going on a long halo hiatus

[gleaming lantern]

They honestly should just stop Halo!

[versed holly]

honestly im just tired

[quasi nexus]

the formula was already there. port mcc to playstation and switch 2 even

[vague nebula]

its looking like a money grab 🙁

[tulip tusk]

sentinel bubblebeam on cosplay show

[vague nebula]

not even multiplayer

[quasi nexus]

at least i'm not the only one disappointed. the general reception appears to be negative.

[vague nebula]

next they gonna drop a f2p multipler only game

[magic loom]

halo 5 one I wanna see what they do with that game, pc port Id like alot alongside some new additions

halo 5 mcc would be great too

[quasi nexus]

i would prefer a remaster of 3 over that but wouldn't mind that coming to mcc

[versed holly]

Not trying to be a pessimist on this, but I don't know how many people would be interested in this. Assuming it costs what the average game costs these days (say $70) for just a campaign, no MP, basically a 2 decade old game reskinned (yes I know its a REMASTER, but its still basically CE with better graphics and some plot point changes).

Yeah its coming to PS, but idk how PS players feel about this

[quasi nexus]

i assume they're gonna charge $50 like oblivion

[gleaming lantern]

Trend is going up my friend $$$

[versed holly]

what would the replayability of this even be, I can't imagine there'd be much aside from being run on nostalgia

[quasi nexus]

i would have instantly preordered mcc on ps5 just to trophies but this no way. maybe on the month a year i have gamepass if it's on there

[magic loom]

after looking at the quality of 2 anniversary and the CE remake yeah wouldnt mind if that was a thing, then just add mod support on top and i think everyone is happy

[vague nebula]

yea its cooked i aint getting it

[quasi nexus]

343 always has the blueprint to success and they never chose to go that route haha

[versed holly]

I saw some people saying that mods would be difficult for UE5?

[hasty hedge]

They mentioned 3 new missions

[exotic ridge]

better level design, new weapons, new look, different cinematics etc

[magic loom]

might be easier, think i had seen many modders make models for halo games on unreal

[versed holly]

I had that on another channel on discord lol

[sullen kiln]

For server moderation concerns, please send a direct message to @upbeat plover.

[maiden cloak]

Who wants to help me with this spiritual successor? I need all the help I can get.

Personal DM me.

[gleaming lantern]

Not me! Peace!

[quasi nexus]

there's 0% chance 343 is gonna improve level design. that's absurd

[glad juniper]

how do you improve level design that basically already perfect???

this is halo 1 were talking about haha

[quasi nexus]

that' what i was getting at haha

[lost trellis]

oh, i just realized the elites are speacking english. I was wondering what felt off, that's it, they're not speaking "Alienese" anymore.

[exotic ridge]

343 is gone

[quasi nexus]

no they're not

[exotic ridge]

yes they are bro

its a different staff now

[quasi nexus]

they did what facebook did. they changed their name. still the same band of goofballs

and for that matter the same thing ea did with dice sweden pretty much

[coarse dagger]

Keep it respectful please

[lost trellis]

saying 343i is gone is like saying the First Order has no relation to the Galactic Empire.

[exotic ridge]

its a different team, different people

[quasi nexus]

that's true for most of the last few halos

[coarse dagger]

Not entirely

[versed holly]

Do you not want peace, stability, and order to the galaxy?

JK, I know what you mean

[quasi nexus]

they rebranded themselves and cleared out some people

[exotic ridge]

wdym?

[quasi nexus]

my company just did that same exact thing

[glad juniper]

yeah they're still 343 imo

[lost trellis]

Those are all cool but I'd prefer them without a Hux's speech. That was a wild thing for him to say before killing BILLIONS!

[exotic ridge]

hahahaha

[coarse dagger]

343 rebranded the studio into Halo Studios. Some people have since moved one, new staff have come in, a bunch of staff stayed

It's not an entirely new studio

[quasi nexus]

what battlefield did with battlefield studios

[exotic ridge]

yea but not the directors

[versed holly]

HEY hey TECHNICALLY they ARE different now, if we assume MS's practice of having contractors come and go is still a thing :3

[coarse dagger]

They were gone long before the rebrand

[quasi nexus]

trying to distance themselves from previous work is the strategy. many many companies have used this

[exotic ridge]

not before infinite

[quasi nexus]

half were temps before halo 6 though

[coarse dagger]

No

[quasi nexus]

(i'm joking sort of) haha

[exotic ridge]

ok dont buy the game bro

[quasi nexus]

i likely will not but what does that have to do with anything

[glad juniper]

lol

[exotic ridge]

the game isnt even out yet and youre crying already

[glad juniper]

this classic arguement

[lost trellis]

NGL dude you're being rude for no good reason.

[quasi nexus]

yeah idk what happened i have been pretty civil here

[glad juniper]

weird

[exotic ridge]

its the truth, he is not even giving halo studios a chance

[glad juniper]

lolol

[exotic ridge]

even though i told him this was a different team working on halo

[quasi nexus]

we established it's not

[lost trellis]

Even if it is, no reason to be rude about it. If you can't be nice to your fellow community member then why are you here?

[exotic ridge]

you can say whatever u want about halo studios AFTER the game is out, let them do their thing first

[tulip tusk]

can someone post that image of the flood model in here, looks really cool and bloody

[glad juniper]

he's just arguing to argue i think

[exotic ridge]

how is it being rude lol

[quasi nexus]

yeah i guess i got baited

[heavy edge]

So did they just asset drop all of Infinites models to this "remake"

[lost trellis]

you're just blatantly being disrespectful. No one here should have to deal with that, not you or anyone you speak too.

[quasi nexus]

feels like it kinda

[heavy edge]

Why is the radar on the top right

[quasi nexus]

i appreciate you bro

[exotic ridge]

is the word "crying" that offensive

what word would you use in this case

[quasi nexus]

the goof doesn't end

[glad juniper]

💀

[lost trellis]

It certainly doesn't.

[quasi nexus]

gonna hop in some mcc tonight i think

just got it on ssteam instead of pc game pass so i'm gonna try some mods finally

[lost trellis]

I just wouldn't be passive aggressive or disrespectful in the first place to be honest. There's alot of reasons to be those things to certain people but randoms here you're likely never to talk to again who're just members of a community you choose to join is a very bad setup if you ask me.

[gleaming lantern]

You can change!

[exotic ridge]

i will talk like that to toxic people who dont listen

[heavy edge]

It looks so weird not being on the bottom left

[tulip tusk]

u can edit the ui placements

[glad juniper]

you're the only one being toxic

[gleaming lantern]

You can edit them back!

[exotic ridge]

he was going full conspiranoic mode and used his job as an example... that was funny btw

[glad juniper]

the rest of us were laughing at you after you got all weird about nothing

[lost trellis]

NGL i have no idea what you're talking about here.

[quasi nexus]

also used multiple companies as an example

[exotic ridge]

rest of us = 2 randoms

[exotic ridge]

read chat log

[glad juniper]

she's not gonna stop being weird

[exotic ridge]

im a man

[coarse dagger]

Why don't we just move on from this now

[quasi nexus]

lol dang don't let this person get you muted

[lost trellis]

I feel like that last comment was enough of a statement

[quasi nexus]

yes please. ty

[glad juniper]

sorry bro they just kept badgering us. didn't mean to engage lol

[quasi nexus]

anyway. halo mcc guys

[lost trellis]

what's up with it?

[quasi nexus]

it's awesome

[lost trellis]

lol fair

[quasi nexus]

gonna play with some mods for the first time now that i got it on steam

[onyx latch]

"Well, did it work for those people?"
'No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but... But it might work for us.'

[quasi nexus]

sometimes it does work sometimes it doesn't. i'm not fully sold on it yet myself

[formal seal]

its still the same old 343 industries it was a year ago, and a decade ago

[exotic ridge]

its like they share one brain

we got gravemind irl

[lost trellis]

What really matters is that if they are a different company then they can't do the exact same things 343i would do. Adding sprint into Campaign Evolved feels very 343i.

[formal seal]

give me anything that shows its not true
they havent once shown off that they get what made halo so great

[onyx latch]

Oh, are we beating that stupid dead horse again?

The sprint one.

[formal seal]

shouting at people that are exhausted after 2 decades of this is asinine

[exotic ridge]

Halo Studios has just 1 single year of being active

[gleaming lantern]

lmaooo their concern it’s taking button restate for sprinting 😆😆😆

[exotic ridge]

Halo CE remake is going to be their first game omfg

[formal seal]

yeah man you right, its a brand new studio thats never done anything before, because they changed the name

typing 343 industries redirects to halo studios on wikipedia
lol

[exotic ridge]

it has new head leaders, its a different studio, yes

[formal seal]

its a rebranding

[exotic ridge]

what did i just say

[lost trellis]

again, if you think the First Order is a totally separate and new thing then the Galactic Empire, the there is no 343i. If you don't then Halo Studios is just 343i but 2020's version.

[exotic ridge]

first order and the empire are the same thing they do the same things, halo studios hasnt even launched a single game

[gleaming lantern]

I mean yes because first order is run by a bunch of wannabes

[formal seal]

wikipedia shows they have launched 11 games with an upcoming remake

[exotic ridge]

yes son, its a rebrand but it has a different team, its different people making games now its not the same 343 from h4, h5 and infinite

[lost trellis]

Do you think that 10 years down the road Halo Studios with its current people wouldn't take the same routes 343i would've or do you think they're going to do something totally their own that 343i would never have done?

[exotic ridge]

i dont know!!! because they havent launched their first game!!!

[formal seal]

my brother theyre gonna take the same routes 1 year down the road, i cannot wait to see how butchered 343 guilty spar (the level) is, just like on anniversary

like arguing with a dog that thinks theres another dog behind a mirror

[exotic ridge]

these people know the future damn

[lost trellis]

It's just a hypothetical question. Are you really unable to say at all?

[exotic ridge]

my answer is i dont know !!!

[lost trellis]

that's not really an awnser but I imagine you're not the kind of person to expand on anything.

[exotic ridge]

id like to think that halo is making its comeback because i actually like halo, if thats what youre asking me

[formal seal]

I know the past, the past 14 years of laughable business and game design decisions as i watch a studio drive the greatest series ever into the dirt in front of my eyes
but they repainted the building so its a new location

[exotic ridge]

yea im not even going to answer you id be saying the same thing over and over

[tulip tusk]

really wanna share the flood model here, looks sick

[formal seal]

god when it comes out that its rated T im gonna die irl

[tulip tusk]

its not T for sure lol, look at flood model and the blood

[lost trellis]

I just don't get why they named their Studio after one of the most hated villain of the franchise. Imagine if the new Mortal Kombat devs named themselves "Shao' Khan's Slave Army" it'd be a eyebrow raiser

[crystal iron]

What do you guys think of the CE remake footage?

[exotic ridge]

yea i saw it, im want to play 343 guilty spark

[tulip tusk]

flood head is bloody broken in half

[exotic ridge]

hahaha bro yall are funny

[lost trellis]

It's weird. The infinite assets and sounds feel like a cop out, sprint returned and elites speak english threw me off.

[exotic ridge]

elites dont speak english in the remake

[formal seal]

yes they do

I just pulled up a random moment in the gameplay reveal and it shouts out "focusing fire on me"

[tulip tusk]

they do! like halo 1 so i like it, i think u hear one elite say coward at one point

[exotic ridge]

yea ur right i didnt notice

[formal seal]

classic english lines like Ezmostawmezididle

[lost trellis]

To be fair, they technically always spoke English. It's just, comprehensible now.

[exotic ridge]

elites have been speaking english since halo 2, i dont mind

[tulip tusk]

and the classic grunt run awaaaay is prob in there

[formal seal]

they spoke backwards english lines

[lost trellis]

yep, I think the only games they don't is Reach and 4. CE feels weird with an elite not laughing at me in an alien tongue.

[formal seal]

theres a couple english ones i think are taken from the files themselves because they just sound like johnson

[tulip tusk]

i luv the halo1 elite death sounds i havent carefully listened for them all yet

they got elite ruuun

[junior marsh]

Has anyone heard anything about HS using ai garbage for topography generation? I really liked the trailer for Halo: CaE, but I’m staunchly opposed to ai, so I’m understandably concerned about talk that HS been using ai for map development or something?

[native orbit]

Guys are we getting a new halo or just another ce remake?

[coarse dagger]

There are multiple projects being worked on, they have only announced the CE remake so far

[native orbit]

Ok. Thanks. I was concerned that was all that was coming out which woulda been real disappointing.

[north kernel]

That rumour is not real, the article that made it more popular was misusing the term AI for procedural generation that existed for decades.

[near frost]

did foehammer have a canon design prior to this reveal?

[junior marsh]

Ok, that’s reassuring, thanks for the clarification. 🙂

[north kernel]

No problem 👍

[twin crow]

Hi please bring Halo to Switch 2

[magic loom]

think the halo 5 talk was just awful, nah...that gave me so many vibes

[deft thorn]

Absolutely FURIOUS about the Halo CE remake coming to PS5

[coarse dagger]

Do you not want more people being able to enjoy Halo?

[deft thorn]

Halo’s always been Xbox and Windows, it has never, NEVER belonged anywhere else

[magic loom]

halo is really going to different platforms now its interesting looking back

[coarse dagger]

Halo should be allowed to be enjoyed by anyone

Gatekeeping is lame

[deft thorn]

Veteran Halo fan by the way

So you don’t think the series’ legacy is being harmed?

[coarse dagger]

Nope

I think it's great that a new generation of gamers will be able to experience and enjoy Halo like I did when I was a teenager

[magic loom]

Halo was the killer app of Xbox and a reason to own one. I can see why some would be sad it going on other platforms but thats how things are now, tons of games might be going full multiplatform from now on

[deft thorn]

It would just be nice to have things stay the same

[magic loom]

Console rivals those were fun times

[signal ivy]

I'm glad it's going to playstation. It's about time

exclusives are dumb

[deft thorn]

With so many changes with Xbox, it’s just different for me to see Halo going multi platform

I’ve always seen it as an Xbox/Windows series

[magic loom]

Thats fair they did this sort of thing earlier with mcc being on PC now , it did more good than harm looking back

[mortal star]

every single sony exec would laugh in your face

[signal ivy]

cool

[icy spindle]

The Switch 2 would actually explode trying to run Campaign Evolved

[twin crow]

Hater 🚨

[magic loom]

id laugh if they put mcc on switch, excuse to add samus armor to infinite hell yeah id be hype

[icy spindle]

This doesn't make you right. But I'm also a veteran fan, gatekeeping is lame, I couldn't experience any Halo after Halo 2 because Microsoft had taken it off of PC until MCC came.

[mortal star]

gatekeeping is cool

[icy spindle]

What about the one that approved Helldivers 2 releasing on Xbox?

[tulip tusk]

i too am a hardened halo veteran grrrr rawr

[deft thorn]

I’m not saying I’m right. I’m just giving my opinion and how I feel about it

[mortal star]

you meant when a sony property did so well microsoft went sucking up to them for recogniztion? Yeah I'm sure they felt really good about that

[coarse dagger]

Chill

[magic loom]

I wish I had bias Im hater of all the halo games in some way im soooo sorry guys XD

[deft thorn]

Halo 4 was never my favorite

[icy spindle]

You can have an opinion, but you need to understand that you are saying "No, you don't get to play my game, because you didn't buy the same computer I did"

It's anti-consumer

[autumn thistle]

Someone playing Halo on a PlayStation has no tangible impact on my life whatsoever.

[magic loom]

halo 4 was chaos it was tons of fun, bolt shot was such a great troll weapon

[icy spindle]

It does on mine, I have a couple of friends who haven't gotten to play Halo, because they didn't want to drop another $500 on an Xbox

[autumn thistle]

I should clarify. No tangible negative impact on my life.

[uneven bison]

There is no realistic reason besides nostalgia, that halo, as a property, be restricted to one platform

[icy spindle]

Ah, yeah, it will probably give you a positive impact. More people playing, larger fanbase, more people in Halo 7 multiplayer.

[deft thorn]

Maybe this is just a hit against nostalgia for me

I do apologize. The announcement shocked me

[autumn thistle]

Whatever helps drown out the folks screaming that Halo is dead for 15 years.

[deft thorn]

Not trying to pick a fight

[icy spindle]

Halo's been dead since 2001 smh

[uneven bison]

It probably is. And that’s ok, since you recognize it. There is every reason to put halo on ps5 in my eyes

It’s ok to have nostalgia

[magic loom]

Im sure there are advantages to having it being on one platform but how games are nowdays its really just how things are now. im just happy if i ever get a playstation now i can still play halo

[icy spindle]

Speaking as someone who got to experience Halo's return to PC, it was a great feeling not being shut out anymore. I know my friends are feeling the same thing

[magic loom]

thats good hope they enjoy playing the ce remake

[icy spindle]

CE Remake is the perfect start for PS5 players

[magic loom]

might green light halo 3 for a remake next, not sure about 2

only of halo 1 does very well i think

[icy spindle]

They'll probably do it in order, Halo 2 next, then Halo 3. Though I fully expect Halo 7 to release in between this and a Halo 2 remake, Resident Evil style

[icy spindle]

Oh it will, everyone wants Halo to do good, all Halo Studios has to do, and all 343 had to do, was not screw it up lol

Halo 5 did very well, and frankly so did Infinite even if 343 unfortunately had issues which led to a massive player base drop

[deft thorn]

Halo 5 and Infinite were both really good

Might be a little surprised they didn’t put Infinite on PS5 if they’re trying to improve the player base

[icy spindle]

Infinite has my favorite Halo multiplayer, it's just the first year screwed things up badly, but it is a great game today. I love the campaign too

[magic loom]

Infinite has AI in forge and 28 player lobbies and has forge firefight, freaking incredible

[icy spindle]

Makes more sense to focus on new things, and to introduce Halo to a new audience with the first game

[deft thorn]

True

[whole cloud]

i don't think halo studios has the manpower to pump out whole games like that so quickly, especially because xbox makes them use temporary contractors and not full time employees, causing production to not go smoothly most times

i wouldn't expect the next campaign to release until 2030 at the shortest

[icy spindle]

Halo Studios has support studios like Certain Affinity and Virtuos(Who is helping with Campaign Evolved)

They're not doing it by themselves

[whole cloud]

true but they also have their next multi-player too, and that requires a lot too

[icy spindle]

Sure, but with UE5 the production will go a lot smoother, especially since contractors already know UE. Also Halo Studios has been built for multiple projects, since that was the announcement last year

[magic loom]

Im hoping they add the spartan laser to infinite, they have a thumbnail in the video for it that has to mean something

[whole cloud]

but now I'm worried about the quality of these future games if true, since we know that UE5 is infamous...

with leadership prefering tp rush out UE5 games without proper optimization and Q/A

[icy spindle]

UE5 can be used to make great games, studios just don't bother to optimize it. Now will Halo Studios optimize their games? wellllllllllll I have no idea lol

[icy spindle]

Halo Studios last year actually launched an Q/A/Play test department which is something that was missing at 343

[whole cloud]

what are the odds that stays that way...

if something goes wrong with either halo studios or xbox as a whole, we know where layoffs will target first...

[icy spindle]

No idea, but the guy in charge of Halo Studios was the guy in charge of fixing MCC so, decent track record

[dim knot]

CE remake is fine. Halos audience has grown older and fewer. Reintroducing Halo, at a high fidelity, to more audiences is what it needs. I've had friends, as well as seen people not play MCC, due to the fact that the games "look old". Some of us may not care for the graphics, but it means potentially more fans, more money, more Halo.

[icy spindle]

Same reason sprint is important. It's a modern feature that people expect in a game like Halo(Also you know, it's been in Halo for years and years)

[whole cloud]

i hope we see engineers in the remake

or more references to 'the flood' book and other lore that was happening during CE

[icy spindle]

I hope the BR is one of the weapons added

[dim knot]

Exactly, I would have preferred it if people spoke about the lack of sandbox Infinite started with, or the lack of service record or other social features.

[dim knot]

It is confirmed to be coming, I read it somewhere

[whole cloud]

like i want them to reference that whole B plot of that sergeant of the odsts at the autumn and how he hates chief, with him trying to go to a covenant cruiser while the flood is going rampage

[unborn stirrup]

the reload animations look stupid

looks so soulless

[magic loom]

Im hoping they just add in all the weapons from the multiplayer like the flamethrower and the usable fuel rod with its original CE look but updated. rocket hog too, maybe the scrapped grenade launcher AR

[unborn stirrup]

and there is microstutters in UE5, people arent gonna be able to play this even with god tier PC

[whole cloud]

we can nitpick yes but halo fans are desperate...

[unborn stirrup]

the new cinematics arent that great either

[whole cloud]

this remake doesn't actually look that bad

[unborn stirrup]

it could be a lot better

[icy spindle]

The remake is fine

[whole cloud]

also worse, so so much worse

[coarse dagger]

There have been playtest labs at the studio for years

[dim knot]

Not going to lie, the remake looks quite good to me personally, even the menus are a callback to the originals. A far cry from what we saw from Halo 4 and Halo 5

[unborn stirrup]

looks like crap

the magnum reload is awful

[whole cloud]

which it isn't

and that's good enough for me

[icy spindle]

I must have been misinformed, because Xbox last year ran an article talking about how Halo Studios opened a play test lab

[unborn stirrup]

i think remasters of games are really unecessary, the original is always better

[icy spindle]

I'll see if I can find the article

[dim knot]

I thought that was about the in-house test lab, where the Devs all play the game together from different departments and get to share ideas?

[unborn stirrup]

the original oblivion is better than the remaster, even the anniversay remake of halo ce is better than this new remake

[icy spindle]

Halo 2 Anniversary. Argument is over

[unborn stirrup]

whoever was playing in the demo also sucks at playing halo

[coarse dagger]

Maybe a revamped section of the studio, but they've definitely had playtesting space for ages. I used it back in 2017 and 2019

[magic loom]

Only things I didnt like was the missing health bar on the warthog and marines, AR is lacking the 60 mag count. the reused elite general from infinite when elites are not suppose to look like that. some sounds could be better but everything else looks fun playing in my eyes

[dim knot]

@unborn stirrup great ragebait ngl

[icy spindle]

I believe you, I'll see if I can find the article

[unborn stirrup]

theyre just gonna put this crap on game pass and no one is gonna buy it

[whole cloud]

debatable, the remaster made some great changes i think to the gameplay to make it a lot better and approachable, like archery, lvling, sneaking, harvesting ingredients, ect

you can even sprint now

[unborn stirrup]

not a rage bait

[magic loom]

halo 2 anniversary was damn good holy hell what an experience that was

[unborn stirrup]

sprint is dumb, dont need it

[unborn stirrup]

nah, the remake is literally worse

[coarse dagger]

You can disable sprint

[whole cloud]

but yeah it isn't that well optimized and artstyle could've been better, but those are like the only main gripes for an alright remaster

[unborn stirrup]

you cant even play UE5 games on PC even if you have a god tier pc bc the engine runs like crap

[dim knot]

No sprinting in my super soldier game in 2026 💔🥀

[unborn stirrup]

wtf is this soulless bland magnum reload animation

[whole cloud]

people said this about og oblivion back in the day...

[unborn stirrup]

whos idea was it to make the ar mag smaller

makes 0 sense

[dim knot]

W ragebait, critiquing weapon animations and mag sizes. I think the franchise has bigger problems chapo

[icy spindle]

Before this conversation keeps going, can we quickly explain the difference between a remake and a remaster?

A remaster is something like CE Anniversary or Halo 2 Anniversary. A remake is something like the RE2, 3, and 4 remakes

This game is a remake

[whole cloud]

yeah, they've said so, plus they're re-recording everything, redoing the cutscenes, adding new content, ect

more book references pls...

[magic loom]

RE3 Remake oh god that failure I never forgot that screw up, theres levels to remakes isnt 3 like a whole reimagining ??? its too different

[icy spindle]

I think you were right, it was a Linkdin post talking about them expanding their playtest lab

[dim knot]

The only reason why the game is not a considered a remaster like the Oblivion Remaster. Is due to the fact the blam engines only significant contribution is the physics. Where as the oblivion remaster, the original engine in that game had a hand in every in-game system and mechanic.

[icy spindle]

A remaster is taking what's already made and giving it a face lift. A reamke is making the game again from scratch

[dim knot]

Exactly, I'm just clearing up any confusion as they are both games that are using hybrid UE5 engines.

[latent acorn]

RE3 Remake is a remake. One major problem for that game was Capcom gutted too much corners of the game. The Clock Tower was supposed to be explored and several enemies got
gutted out and including several areas of Raccon City. That’s why it is now.

[tulip tusk]

Too many energy drinks today

[icy spindle]

Yeah, I can see Blam being used for physics with Halo 7 as well

[whole cloud]

one thing i can say from the trailer is that it doesn't... feel real, idk how to explain it, maybe it's just the fact it's in unreal now

it reminds of of those fan games people make to post on yt using UE like "I remade Halo in Unreal!" and you can tell it's just halo but like "rtx on" and can tell it was done by one guy

that's what the trailer reminded me of

[icy spindle]

It look 1,000% better than fan made ones

[whole cloud]

like it feels and looks more like a fan game more than an official aaa developed game

[icy spindle]

Except for the hud, which I'm sure will be tweaked in the next year

[magic loom]

fans did some things better than the CE remake, I saw someone do the marines and the classic elites but made them even cooler somehow

[coarse dagger]

It's still about a year out from launch, this was a stripped down pre-release build

[magic loom]

not to bad the ce remake but I do see some things that make it more closer to ce

[icy spindle]

I would also like to make everyone feel even better. This looks way better than Infinite's one year out demo

[tough compass]

Good point actually, i suppose unreal 5 will have that effect

[coarse dagger]

100%

[whole cloud]

you think they'll actually add modern driving controls in the remake?

like hold rt to accelerate

[icy spindle]

I fully expect the Warthog to control like it does in Infinite

[coarse dagger]

There's a lot of detail you don't see from the demo, it's actually a solid build.

[tough compass]

I hope you have to physically move the right stick to change gear lol

[magic loom]

we gonna see breakdowns for the ce remake on youtube soon halotubers are gonna go nuts

[onyx latch]

I mean, that's fine though. That's pretty useful.

[onyx latch]

Ugh. Not looking forward to that.

[icy spindle]

8 minutes in and Mint Blitz said "Imagine the trick shots that I'm going to be able to do on this"

[whole cloud]

how come the driving has stayed the exact same in almost 25 years?

[tough compass]

If it ain't broke

[magic loom]

I never had a problem with how the vehicles controlled, best I think was halo 5 I felt like I could do anything it was so smooth

[icy spindle]

Because it feels like Halo

[whole cloud]

ig but the driving has always felt kinda dated tbh...😅

[magic loom]

halo does not have much thats iconic anymore i think, remember when they tried to replace the iconic rocket with the green one?

[whole cloud]

that's like the one thing I'd hope they'd change or update after all these years

[magic loom]

artstyle, things get changed so much

[icy spindle]

Needler

[tulip tusk]

Halo 1 driving, Warthog in particular is pretty unique compared to later hogs. U can do stunts u cant in others

[tough compass]

Like the 360 on The Maw

[magic loom]

I thought the spartan laser was iconic alongside the plasma rifle think they were the elites main weapon, they gone in infinite

if the vehicles control changed as well i think that would interesting

[icy spindle]

Fair, but I'd also say the AR is iconic and that was missing in Halo 2.

[tough compass]

The Master Chief is pretty iconic

[dim knot]

Missing in Halo reach 🕊️🥀

[tough compass]

And he was barely in 5 🥀

[dim knot]

Unless you do the cut scene flick or get the MP armour

[icy spindle]

Spartans are iconic and were missing in ODST

[dim knot]

Multiplayer was missing in ODST 🥀

[dim knot]

Don't remind me lmao

[icy spindle]

Multiplayer is missing in Campaign Evolved too 🥀

[dim knot]

And firefight lol. But would be interesting if they could add firefight in and just reuse some of the levels?

[icy spindle]

I really want to see what some flood level are going to look like

[icy spindle]

Honestly that could be a fun way to pass the time until Halo 7 lol