h1-high-heat-strategies

[dry flame]

LOL

idek what that means bright

[daring hedge]

player who has practiced em4 probably more than any of us combined

[waxen relic]

Skullring requires you to be below, HC to be above, right? So the rounding made Skullring never work with SD, but HC should always work then.

[daring hedge]

wasn't a case of rounding, but moreso how HC works from its description

[dry flame]

i pretty much always take em4 on high heat nowadays

its just more fun

[daring hedge]

for all i knew it could have specified "above 80%"

[true fable]

retrash hasnt turned off em4 since he unlocked it

[gaunt fiber]

Atticor you were gold too

[dry flame]

pog

sounds like my kinda player

[waxen relic]

[gaunt fiber]

Messing with my identification process

[vital grove]

Oh

Your Yugi is playing Uno?

[gaunt fiber]

Nah he's just using uno cards

[vital grove]

'You draw 4' seems like a bad idea unless you're trying to mill your opponent

'Your turn is now my turn' would be sweet tho

[gaunt fiber]

Tbh

You just have to shout "it's my turn" and it is actually your turn

[tidal flame]

There are literally Hearthstone decks that can do that lol

[vital grove]

End your opponent's turn in HS? Eh, I guess there's the mage deck in wild sort of.

[tidal flame]

Yeah

Mil rogue and mil warrior

[vital grove]

And Tickatus is in standard for milling

[tidal flame]

I love those

Anyway

Hades

[gaunt fiber]

Thank you

[vital grove]

I would love a crossover game lol

Maybe a Hades themed Slay the Spire. Anyway, yeah Hades

[tidal flame]

How about a Hades themed Hades

[gaunt fiber]

I think you killed the mood Foxy

[mossy zinc]

What? No. Rush Kick + Demeter Aspect does 7 hits. 2 + 5 is not 10. @weak gyro

Normal Rush Kick is 2 hits just like a normal Uppercut is 2 hits. Dash-Special Rush Kick is 1 hit just like a normal Dash-Upper is 1 hit.

For a charged Special, a normal Rush Kick is 2 + 5 = 7 hits. Dash-Upper with Rush Kick is 1 + 5 = 6 hits.

[tidal flame]

I do that a lot tbh.

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, his nickname is actually FoxMoodKiller.

You wouldn't understand what a mood is, though, because you're a .

[sly remnant]

oh its 7? good to know

i did not know that

thank you for the correction

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, in terms of damage it just buffs your regular Special to 40 base damage per hit instead of 30.

Dash-Special is still 40 like before.

[gaunt fiber]

Hey.

I do have emotions and stuff

[mossy zinc]

What's up, ? You got something to say?

[gaunt fiber]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[mossy zinc]

I know. What's wrong? Getting a little uptight?

[gaunt fiber]

Lmao

[tidal flame]

So mean lol

Astaos don't say I never defended you lol

[gaunt fiber]

Thanks for this astonishing defense

[true fable]

wow so mean

i have also defended astaos

[gaunt fiber]

Dazzling

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/booooo-thumbs-down-judge-gif-15470120

[rain sedge]

I also have defended Asta... Nah I can't do it lol

[sly remnant]

i like astaos

he is good-natured about the teasing and makes funny jokes

he also happens to be good at hades

[shy plinth]

Wait are we talking hearthstone

Oh no I missed it 😦

[mossy zinc]

What teasing?

[vital grove]

I will defend Astaos for so long as he pays me with internet cookies.

[tidal flame]

oh great, @gaunt fiber can pay people with internet cookies and yet act so high and mighty when I send thoughts and prayers.

[opal token]

I despise stubborn defiance 😦

[tidal flame]

double standard smh

[shy plinth]

You can't eat thoughts and prayers

[tidal flame]

Just don't run LC4 4head

[opal token]

Isn’t that like...the standard thing to do tho?

[vital grove]

It is eventually

[tidal flame]

I have been against 32 heat LC4 since forever

I think it's unecessary

[vital grove]

Yeah I would start it on 40 up

[opal token]

Sweet lemme try that

[daring hedge]

flashbacks to that one guy who used to frequent here and react to everything with the fork and knife emoji

[opal token]

The combination of stubborn defiance, LC4, 5 min timer is super hard for me

So yeah lemme tweak that

[dire steppe]

where’s the pinned 40 heat guide

[vital grove]

You don't need TD3 if it's too close

Just do Td2 and js3

[dire steppe]

I’d much rather do js0 td3

[shy plinth]

Js3 ew

[vital grove]

I enjoy JS3 on a lot of aspects lol

Less chance to miss on attacks 🤣

[dire steppe]

there should be a heat option. where enemies also get all your mirror perks

all enemies now have SD, ruthless reflex, 50 more hp, etc

[tidal flame]

Do you want the 32 heat I use to do streaks on @opal token ?

[opal token]

Sure Fox

[shy plinth]

Bone-rakers with merciful end

[tidal flame]

I'm not as good as people here but at 32 heat I'm doing OK lol

One sec

[dire steppe]

Is merciful end a mirror perk

[shy plinth]

God's legacy is

If they have DF/Legacy/Persuasion, I dunno

[dire steppe]

Lol i think some just don’t apply

Enemies having 3 dds would be terrifying

[tidal flame]

@opal token

https://imgur.com/wduPIY8

You can pick Damage Control depending on weapon

I tend to do HL0 and DC2 on fist and rail, for example

HS can also be swapped out for LC or something idk

[opal token]

Thanks

That’s exciting

I’ve been bumming about getting brickwalled lately lol

[tidal flame]

you also have room to swap TD3 out

[vital grove]

Oh no not heightened Security don't

Trust me on this

[tidal flame]

HS can also be swapped out for LC or something idk

I rarely die to HS at this point tbh

[vital grove]

Yeh but

When you DO

[gaunt fiber]

I like you too, even if you pom pressure points

[opal token]

Hey I turned on healing and got to Elysium for the first time lol

[tidal flame]

lmao

[alpine sleet]

[surreal copper]

how are people doing 5 minutes on 32 heat? i couldn't do it on very low heats...

[sly remnant]

we have spent too much time playing a single player game

[gaunt fiber]

^

[tidal flame]

also 5 mins on 32 heat is like really really fast lol

15 mins more like

[gaunt fiber]

You have to understand your aspect (or you could play Eris, as you wish) to optimize your dps, try to kill stuff while moving towards the exist to "force" enemies spawn near you

and just force yourself to be quick. Take mid shop, chaos gates, and meet your friends

[true fable]

5 minutes on 32 heat would be the anyheat wr lol

[sly remnant]

i think he meant 5 mins/region

[true fable]

ah fair

[tidal flame]

Makes sense.

Just be fast lol

[gaunt fiber]

Help them, stingy Fox

[alpine sleet]

If you press space harder you'll dash further woth more iframes

5head

[surreal copper]

i don't have much experience on high heat, but on lower, the zeus shield has seemed super op to me, and got me a 16 heat win

[stiff aurora]

why do I suck at rama so much lol

[surreal copper]

i am tempred to try it on 32 if i ever go for 32

[stiff aurora]

I can't get used to not powershotting every time

[sly remnant]

zeus shield is very good. you have good instincts

[surreal copper]

the way i use it though looks very silly

[sly remnant]

same

[surreal copper]

basically "aaah someone help me this bladed shield is chasing me"

i don't think i blocked even once in the whole run

i got lots of zeus boons and the disc was killing everything

[gaunt fiber]

Does Chiron backstab well?

Or i'm going fiery

[rain sedge]

well I was gonna do all aspects 40

but then I tried nemesis

and I decided I'm never gonna do it

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah ngl the sword gonna be tough

[rain sedge]

how did retrash even do it at 57

this aspect sucks so hard

[gaunt fiber]

you have free crits

[rain sedge]

like I can't even dash strike consistently

[gaunt fiber]

you can afford an owl pendant start

[rain sedge]

like divine dash first boon?

[gaunt fiber]

yes

[rain sedge]

anyway, I think zag sword and arthur is gonna be even harder

so pass for me I think

[gaunt fiber]

arthur is ok imo

[surreal copper]

isn't arthur the strongest sword?

[gaunt fiber]

A bit of practice is required but it'll be ok

at lower heats people like it yeah

[true fable]

or flourish

flourish is also very good

[alpine sleet]

Arthur with DC and AP really bad imo

[gaunt fiber]

you don't take DC with arthur

[alpine sleet]

Since Arthur kinda needs highroll

[gaunt fiber]

AP1 is "ok"

[alpine sleet]

Yuh

Ap 1 ain't da worst thing

[gusty kite]

BP2 is the big spooky, next 32 attempts i'll prob try have bp1 and add heat somewhere else

I can't mentally handle cloner + speeder on wretched wizards

[north dove]

Lost to Alecto with Chiron bow 😦

Time to start over

[sly remnant]

f

what was the streak?

[north dove]

10

[sly remnant]

10 at 45 still insane

great stuff retrash

[north dove]

I'm still gonna try to streak all aspects

[sly remnant]

i know you'll get it

[gusty kite]

are they true streaks or do ya reset?

[sly remnant]

true streaks

retrash is one of the high heat gods

[ripe crane]

is it even possible to die at 45?

[gusty kite]

beast

im prob gonna aim for one 32 heat completion and go back to learning to zoom

[onyx venture]

Why not both?

[gusty kite]

well after experiencing the nightmare fuel known as cloner + speeder on wretched wizards, I'd rather not experience that on a daily basis

[gaunt fiber]

owl pendant

divine dash

witches are then nothing but bad memory

[gusty kite]

ah yes owl pendant in tartarus

I need my starting boon to get builds rolling :c

[rain sedge]

what about the project to get 50+ on all aspects retrash?

[gaunt fiber]

@rain sedge I'm at 14 aspects

[rain sedge]

cool, I've lost interest to do 40 all aspects tho

sword puts me off

[gaunt fiber]

Nah

you can do it

[sly remnant]

sword hard

[rain sedge]

enjoyment vs satisfaction ratio is a bit too low

[gaunt fiber]

you did fists?

[rain sedge]

I am of course, a very casual PC player

no I got ruined by dad a few times, it's hard to do it on fist

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah it took me some tries

I've been watching some good players too

So I had an idea on how to play malphon

Stealing knowledge is very viable

[rain sedge]

I've done all rail (typical), poseidon, GY, zag spear, chiron, hera, zag shield, chaos, zag fist

so that's 12

[gaunt fiber]

how was chaos?

[rain sedge]

it was very reliable

zag spear required any 1 of the 3 hammers that made it great

well actually there's 4-5 hammers that's great for it but some are harder to make it work

it didnt take too many resets

zag shield I mean

[gaunt fiber]

For my Zag shield I'll just heartbreak strike foes to death I think

[rain sedge]

the zeus special strat works well for me

the extra bounce hammer/explosive return/damage after catching special works with it

and you just put anything on the attack

[gaunt fiber]

Oh interesting

[rain sedge]

I mean you can also high roll for pulverizing blow but... yea

[gaunt fiber]

zeus for chaos too?

[rain sedge]

I think so, yeah. I can't remember, this was long ago

but I think dio also works? I never liked his boon mechanic though

[gaunt fiber]

I don't think it works

you have to stack hangover

I can't see chaos stacking it well

maybe I'm wrong tho

[rain sedge]

the special each gives hangover stack, right?

I mean, I think someone said it works

I just go zeus

I'm pretty sure I go TD3 too, so it's relatively fast

[gusty kite]

would you take DC on zeus flourish chaos shield?

[rain sedge]

I did

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/799452373881061395/unknown.png wasn't someone asking about lightning strike Arthur at one point?

[gaunt fiber]

A guy did, I've seen it before done too. By Peachhead

Congratz btw, fun build!

He got a good time too iirc

but the damage was tidal dash

[north dove]

oh I'd like to see his win screen

[gaunt fiber]

@green citrus Do you have it?

Your blessed lightning strike arthur

[green citrus]

Oh boy lol

I'd have to find it

It definitely wasn't 45 heat LUL

[gaunt fiber]

oh it was any heat?

[green citrus]

Yeah I think so

[gaunt fiber]

damn

Thought it was 40

almost the same for you tho

[green citrus]

I definitely did a Zeus Athur meme run cause I still don't think it's fast lol. But that's impressive for 45 heat @north dove

[north dove]

thanks, arthur feels strong enough that anything can work on it

[green citrus]

I'm glad someone agrees with me 🙂 haha

[sly remnant]

yall crazy

eff that weapon

[green citrus]

You will learn soon young padawan 🙂

[surreal copper]

doubles hp, reduces damage and slows opponents, that weapon does too much lol

[sly remnant]

if i wanted to play a claymore

i'd just play noelle on genshin

[gusty kite]

Did this man seriously 45 heat cursed slash arthur

And win

[sly remnant]

he did indeed

[green citrus]

Honestly I've done cursed slash Arthur and it ain't so bad because of the high starting health.

[sly remnant]

have you seen his 54 zag sword run

[green citrus]

Thick skin Arthur is plenty to manage cursed slash

[rain sedge]

if you see high heat with a boon/aspect combo that shouldnt work, but somehow it works, that's retrash

[sly remnant]

yall are killing me

pls stop

i'm in pain

[rain sedge]

just check his other victory screens, it's not even the best one

[sly remnant]

remember retrash's 45 heat lightning strike hestia

[green citrus]

I mean I'd definitely take double edge, shadow slash, or breaching slash first but...if you have AP2 on I get it. Even though Retrash didn't in this case LUL

[rain sedge]

dont worry there are people here that makes us who "only" cleared 50 heat feel bad

[gusty kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740189405838573638/799464369083252746/unknown.png

what's this icon?

[north dove]

Personal liability, hell mode exclusive

[onyx venture]

Removes the excessive damage shield

[gusty kite]

ah he plays on hell mode as well, of course he does

[spring kettle]

No level of approval process there either, he willingly took it instead of the game forcing him to

[gusty kite]

actually built different

[onyx venture]

Willingly took what, Personal Liability?

[spring kettle]

Cursed slash on Arthur

[onyx venture]

Oh, that ha ha

[gusty kite]

am I right it aiming for heart rend on arthur in high heat?

[sly remnant]

how high is high

[gusty kite]

the low end of high, which is an oxymoron, 32 heat

[sly remnant]

ye heart rend is absolutely fine there

[true fable]

retrash

why have you done this

again

[gusty kite]

more attempts tonight then probably, failed my first run due to some SD issues which tilted me for the other two attempts

[gusty kite]

at this rate I just want to see him try make the worst build possible and pull it off

[true fable]

he's already done heroic level 6 drunken dash

[gusty kite]

[sly remnant]

dude's just good

[rain sedge]

I just got beamed to death even though I stood in the middle of dad

is the safe spot quite small? or did I do something wrong

that was really weird actually

[north dove]

sorry bright I tainted beo again

[rain sedge]

either that or an urn spawned on top of me

[true fable]

NO

is it another special build

tbh im kinda into it

[north dove]

I tried but the heroic trade was too tempting

[true fable]

sigh

hey that's still a cast build i think

[rain sedge]

anyone? how big is the safe spot?

[sly remnant]

thats a decent beo buildi think

its not ideal but things get werid at high heat

[onyx venture]

You weren't running EM4, right? And yes, it's very small. Animation slide back can push you out of it sometimes

[rain sedge]

not EM4 yeah

ah, does casting push me back by a bit?

[onyx venture]

It does

[rain sedge]

well then

that was a waste of a perfectly good 40 achilles run

thank you for explanation 🙂

[onyx venture]

[true fable]

casting pushes you back, and you can also get shoved out by his shoulders

[tidal flame]

one time I greed a cast and die to laser

one cast for 80 damage

seems good

[gentle bridge]

omg hades prof the madman

https://youtu.be/tIaxgpOpCB8

[gusty kite]

jaysus em4 is 10 heat, was watching some arthur runs and they all run em4 and have so many other pacts not enabled it's wild

[true fable]

he truly is

a professor

of hades the game

[halcyon flame]

what are some tips to getting a good time with the blade?

[gusty kite]

weird thought process question,
would you take curse of longing here or reroll for chance of curse of nausea
https://i.imgur.com/K5i89X7.jpg

nausea I'm gonna use 100x more, but not like it's guaranteed

[languid vale]

just take longing

[gusty kite]

Mmk

[halcyon flame]

longing does better damage

[gusty kite]

Yeah but I'm running charged shot and playing hyper defensive

So not meleeing all too often

Would ya dump side hustle or call at the customs?

[waxen relic]

Since your running no TD you hae time to make use of Curse of Longing, otherwise this is the prime opportunity to get curse of nausea.

[halcyon flame]

probably call

[waxen relic]

Dump Hustle

It's only some gold if you keep it too

[gusty kite]

Lmao yeah I attempted TD but not even close with shield

[waxen relic]

Special into 2x Dash-Strike?

[gusty kite]

okay pressure time... first time against em3 heroes... in 32 heat

[halcyon flame]

dietime

[gusty kite]

yup, got asterius down and theseus off hit chariot :c

well that's a pepehands

all the characters have dialogue about elysium, IM WELL AWARE I DIED THERE THANK YOU

[halcyon flame]

how could you die at elysium smh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vital grove]

You died to Theseus?

The shame.

Better get him next time

[cedar linden]

Damn' heat 32 is tough. I somehow managed to reach Theseus in my best attempt, but I just can't clear well enough if I can't heal myself. I can't manage SD correctly, I'm still better with DD.

[vital grove]

You don't have to take LC4 on 32

[halcyon flame]

mirrorless on 32 heat just SEEMS like a really bad idea

and it is

[waxen relic]

Nah, it's really fun

Ever played Beo with 1 Cast?

[gusty kite]

if it was lc2/lc3 would you take DD & dark regen?

[waxen relic]

lc3 doesn't make much sense honestly, especially with cf2. Just too expensive for too little.

[rain sedge]

there is no such thing as LC3, LC2 or LC4 only

or yknow, LC0

I suppose if you have huge brains you can do LC3, use demeter keepsake, and get nourishing soul first boon

[waxen relic]

I could see lc2 with SD and dark regen to top up the health before a boss as a new player.

[stone coyote]

Hi guys, new here. Don't know if this would be the right place to ask and I apologize if it's not but I was wondering:
Are there any speedrunners with (or have had) WR times that use kbm?

[rain sedge]

@true fable

he used KBM for the beo speedruns, which was top for 32 heat at some point

or so I remember

[stone coyote]

oh nice!

[waxen relic]

Baj uses KBM and is king of Zeus

[rain sedge]

but no, this is not the right channel. there's a speedrunning discord separate from this one

[stone coyote]

ohhhhh

[rain sedge]

BAJ USES KBM???

[waxen relic]

yes? i thought so

it's Shield after all

[rain sedge]

why would shield make you want to use KBM?

[waxen relic]

you can see his mouse in the recordings

and it let's you peform blocking far better

[rain sedge]

I guess I wouldn't know since I don't block with shields

[stone coyote]

a man's man

[waxen relic]

I'm time after time impressed by you not knowing stuff Schad

Like standing in 360 Lasers..

[gusty kite]

he's a very casual pc player afterall

bleh this run is going nowhere, onto next attempt

[rain sedge]

it did not work consistently, okay. I lost an achilles 40 because I greeded and tried that

I really did not want to repeat achilles, it's quite unenjoyable as a weapon

but the shield block is just something I don't do because I'm a bad player

[waxen relic]

More of a thing for weapons that are at point blank anyways yeah

[vital grove]

I would take healing and DD with up to lc2

Lc3 seems pointless unless you're doing Nourished or strong Drink I guess and even then not great

LC2 strong Drink is pretty nice tho, fountains giving you back half hp after a boss fight are nice

And most importantly for the final boss

[gaunt fiber]

Any heat WR is Lili, kbm

[cedar linden]

Tried to follow pinned message guide, but clearly I felt that LC4 is too much to handle, as well as SD instead of DD. Is BP2 really a bad idea with Eris aspect, or I may have a chance?

[vital grove]

BP2 isn't a problem for me because I don't remember not having it turned on

So I find it difficult to quantify how hard it makes the game for someone who doesn't use it

[gusty kite]

man BP2 is SPOOKY to me, numbskull clones with lasers zooming at you

[vital grove]

Same for FO2

If you're doing TD2 and Eris I would consider JS3

You're just gonna plow through everything anyway

[cedar linden]

I see I see. Usually I use BP 1, I rarely use BP2, I did for heat 32. Maybe I'll train some combinations before a new 32 try.

[vital grove]

BP2 only has a few extremely difficult combos

Most are very manageable

[cedar linden]

Haha. That's precisely what I tried yesterday, I just put TD3 instead of 2, but I guess td3 was a bit too much. (and not getting a tech until Elysium, too)

[vital grove]

You can try AP1 too. It will be a bit limiting but you don't need that much boon power for 32

[cedar linden]

I tried it, never again x)

Prevented me to pick Poseidon dash twice, and Artemis special twice too,

[vital grove]

You're playing Eris?

Try a lightning attack start if you haven't

[cedar linden]

Yes, Eris is the best result I got, Chiron was a bit tough with DC2

[vital grove]

I think my favorite Eris is Zeus attack, Aphro special and Flood Shot, Tidal dash

If you can get Billowing and Smoldering together 🔥🔥

[cedar linden]

Haha that's exactly what I tried to do, just Artemis instead of Aphrodite, it's really about Pact's combinations

[gusty kite]

my best run was "play as defensively as humanly possible" with chaos shield

pity my boss kills take 20 mins each

[vital grove]

Try Zeus

[cedar linden]

Smoldering is the 5 bombs if I'm right (I play in French, so I don't know the English version), and what is Billowing?

[vital grove]

Zeus shield will let you be defensive while killing them.

Smoldering is the Zeus and Aphro duo boon.

[cedar linden]

Oh

[gusty kite]

that's actually a point... I'd have to practice zeus a bit though

[cedar linden]

I thought it was Deadalus

[vital grove]

Billowing Strength is a Zeus boon that increases your damage when you call

[cedar linden]

Ooh. Thank you

[vital grove]

So you can see the insane power of having a constant call

[cedar linden]

Guess I'll turn English mode on the game to get used to English names. c:

[vital grove]

Start with Thunder flourish

[gusty kite]

yeah im just diving in, all I know about zeus shield is go hard on zeus boons lol

[vital grove]

It's the most consistent and best way to learn it.

Then you can see about merciful End or artemis special

[halcyon flame]

curse of pain + dire misfortune could work, deadly flourish is only good if it's maxed

[vital grove]

The sneaky power of having Zeus Special is that it triggers every single time your disc deals damage which is 0.3 seconds

[gusty kite]

wait, start zeus flourish but switch to ME/artemis?

[vital grove]

And when you pick up Jolted as well

No, no

Those are different builds

[gusty kite]

ah okay

gotcha

[vital grove]

Zeus Special and Zeus boons is one thing. Merciful End is like, get doom special and divine attack, pick up ME and impending doom /dire misfortune.

Artemis special is something else entirely

I believe you try to and get Aphro attack with it and angle to a heart rend

[cedar linden]

Hmmm, I may have found something that could work I guess?
HL 2, LC 2, CF 2, JS 3, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO 1, DC 2, and TD2.

(Eris aspect)

[vital grove]

The highest skill ceiling build by far is Poseidon special which I won't even go into

Seems okay!

You could even just do Fo2 and cut away the HL and a point of CF

Fast enemies that don't hit hard are great for learning FO2

[cedar linden]

Yep, I take note, even if, I admit, FO2 is a bit too much to handle for me right now. c:

[cedar linden]

Oh

I give a try then

[vital grove]

Yeah you'll get hit but the damage is low and you have some healing

And you will learn the enemies with FO2 so you'll get hit less and less.

Just, uh, one thing

[cedar linden]

I agree

[vital grove]

One important thing

Asterius with EM3 and FO2 is something else.

[cedar linden]

Yes.

I learnt it yesterday.

It's really something.

[vital grove]

Stand near a wall and double dash through him

When he charges

[weak finch]

Don't look forward turning my heat up to that

[cedar linden]

That's the main reason I try to avoid FO2 / EM3. :D

[vital grove]

Well, give it a few runs and see how it goes.

[cedar linden]

I take note, thank you for your advices! c:

[vital grove]

Good luck

[cedar linden]

Thank you!

[vital grove]

I'm sure you'll do it soon! Maybe not on 1st try, but every run will be better

[weak finch]

The first time in Elysium and getting pounded by some sword guys was rough

But now you laugh at them

[cedar linden]

Yep, eventually I'll manage, I reached Theseus once, I can do it again. c:

[gusty kite]

weird question, does sunken treasure count as a boon you can sell

[static plover]

sunken treasure is not sellable

@gusty kite

[gusty kite]

damn that would have been 300iq

free health, coins n darkness then sell it off as customs

[static plover]

same reason why boons like premium vintage, rare crop and the like aren't sellable

they do something on pickup

it would have been a 300iq play for sure 😂

[gusty kite]

huh TIL

well that was nice, a non SD lernie fight

onto the nightmare fuel area

aaaaaaand another L, entire room of seeker bows 😄😄😄😄

[static plover]

[gusty kite]

[halcyon flame]

a room full of seeker longbows is a very scary thing to think about

[cedar linden]

I did it!! I cleared Heat 32! o/

[halcyon flame]

there's like 5 people shooting at you doing 10 damage per hit, 3 arrows at a time and the arrows also track you

yoo congrats

i haven't done 16 heat yet myself

[cedar linden]

Thanks!

[gusty kite]

v nice alu, i'll be there one day

[cedar linden]

This, with FO on. :D.

[gusty kite]

yup, literally how I died, they kept flanking as well so I couldn't even send out my shield and block :c

[halcyon flame]

oh and not to mention they all have superarmor

fun game :D

[vital grove]

Good job Alu 😎

[cedar linden]

Thank you, you gave great advices!

[vital grove]

I pass down the knowledge 😁

[weak finch]

What would a good way to build heat up? Go to 8, 16, 32 and bite the bullet everytime?

Or just add one lvl and slowly build up?

[waxen relic]

Just do Heats you wanna do. Some go one by one, others manage to jump. There's not really some objective advantage.

[weak finch]

Yeah, i am doing 1 by 1 at the moment, but the runs are really similar (difficulty wise). Would be probably more fun to take a few big steps and crank it up

[waxen relic]

You could check the pins to find some staples

[weak finch]

Yeah, have read those, but not yet put into practice. Thanks!

[halcyon flame]

em2/td1/bp1 is a good start

fo1 isn't bad but not recommended if you're using a slow weapon

[weak finch]

Yeah, i m mostly playing with Arthur. Also mentions that in the pins

[halcyon flame]

i wish there were pinned guides for anywhere between 16-32 heat, i don't think 8 heat really needs a dedicated guide since it's not very difficult but it can be intimidating

[weak finch]

The biggest adjustment is probably relearning how hard you can push

[gaunt fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGl1vVnFPsw

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/53GJCbZ

Looks like the Red Shade is the legitimate wielder of Theseus' spear

[mossy zinc]

You would know.

[gaunt fiber]

You're right

[gusty kite]

ah yes, I do love using zeus' keepsake and not getting a single other zeus boon in a run

just suicided at lernie cause I had no synergies going whatsoever

we go again

[gusty kite]

32 heat complete, thanks all for putting up with my whining

[alpine sleet]

Oooo, nice!

Gj

[upbeat cedar]

gosh, I keep trying to power through 32 heat with Extreme Measures 4 on, I'm so stubborn lmao

I really ought to not

[alpine sleet]

EM4 is rlly hard

[onyx venture]

It certainly makes it harder

[upbeat cedar]

the video above politely pointed out to me why this is hubris

[gusty kite]

I did everything possible to avoid em4

I almost tried to go down to em2

em3 wasn't too bad though, at least with my stupidly bonkers build

[alpine sleet]

EM3 is fine after you get used to it

[gusty kite]

yup, just like TD, just like BP etc

I'll probably start running EM3 just to make my runs harder and so I can practice

[upbeat cedar]

I want that last skelly prize already dangit!

[stiff aurora]

I will prohably go for em4 32 heat next

New poe league today though, so idk when I'll try it

[vital grove]

Em4 is fun but I don't like it on high heat

[stiff aurora]

I never tried it beyond 16 heat

And that's something like bp1, mm, td1

[chilly sun]

i like how at max LC stubborn defiance becomes your source of healing

zag voice oh nooooo don't kill me nooo [ abuses stubborn defiance

[surreal copper]

me at 3 heat: damn I'm so good at this game

me at 32 heat: damn i suck

[vital grove]

The game is a lot different at 32 heat, it's much harder at 40, 50 isn't Hades anymore and 60 is insanity.

[unkempt plover]

Do any of you who play on heat 30+ use mods?

[gaunt fiber]

well given my recent runs, you could think I run a "no Patty no Than 4 sack only" mod, but I do not

[surreal copper]

i've seen the 60 heat run on youtube, jeez

it has to be a pixel perfect speedrun essentially

[true fable]

just powershot lol

[shy plinth]

Tailesque is that you

[rain sedge]

tailesque has such an eerie percentage of powershot, that I had to go to the game to check if he's doing powershot or normal shot all the time

because I had such disbelief that anyone can pull it off that consistently

[gaunt fiber]

tbh the timing is not the hard part

more like when you can do it

[true fable]

^

the powershot window is very generous

[rain sedge]

• checks my powershot success rate *

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-la-noire-cole-phelps-gif-13372170

[gaunt fiber]

[halcyon flame]

getting powershots with rama is... surprisingly difficult

[rain sedge]

astaos, do you pay for discord premium just so you can use meme emotes?

[gaunt fiber]

I don't know what's wrong about that

[halcyon flame]

anyways i'm gonna go for merciful end on fists because i don't feel too good about getting a sub 18 on that weapon when i got a sub 15 with the gun

[turbid bobcat]

Powershots I find are easier with dash shots

[halcyon flame]

yeah dash shots are generally better

you get to do it frequently so of course you can easily get a feel for it

rama feels clunky though

[vital grove]

I don't use mods, it would stop being Hades.

Powershot, you get into a rhythm and then you just nail them

[halcyon flame]

except for when you don't

which is why i don't like the bow

except for chiron

[vital grove]

I can't get mad about a fair mechanic that I succeed or fail at depending only on my own skill

[true fable]

you should always be dash striking lol

except if enemies are spawning in and you arent running DC

[halcyon flame]

guess i'm one of those cases where i'm practically unable to get the rhythm right

[true fable]

practice on skelly

[halcyon flame]

except for when i get that perfect rush hammer for shield for some reason

[true fable]

you'll get it pretty quickly

[halcyon flame]

somehow i can't do it with bow but i can do it pretty well with power rush + sudden rush

[gaunt fiber]

So

I wasted 4 tries on Zeus, could not keep up with TD3

https://imgur.com/t7iYLoe

Only to get on TD3 pace with TD2

[gusty kite]

I do

[gaunt fiber]

Epic flourish start into common Curse of Agony rare cropped

[gusty kite]

why artemis start out of curiosity? if you're going ares as well

or did you keepsake the athena dash in aspho?

[gaunt fiber]

I wanted damage without duos or w/e

[gusty kite]

I think that's divine dash at least, i'm partially colourblind

[gaunt fiber]

so I went arty and athena (for the extra DD that I did not get)

[gusty kite]

ah fair just ignoring the blade rift stuff

[gaunt fiber]

I was trying Zeus build but I timed out 2 times on dad after 3-4 sack

so it got me a bit upset and I turned off TD3 and went the crit way

[gusty kite]

yo wait stubborn roots hella stronk with SD

[true fable]

astaos pretending he has emotions again

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[true fable]

🤣

stubborn roots still trash

michael its only 48 HP/minute

[gaunt fiber]

^

[gusty kite]

does it still tick when not in an actual encounter?

[gaunt fiber]

I have 2 stubborn root clears at 40 with GY

nah you have to be fighting

[gusty kite]

ah

yeah pretty meh then

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I tried to make it work as a crutch

[true fable]

its so bad lol

[gaunt fiber]

But you will either : lose time in an encounter to get hp back, delaying your death because playing safe vs a boss

[mossy zinc]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[gaunt fiber]

I will do another one with TD3.

This run does not count

How can I forget things I can do

[mossy zinc]

[halcyon flame]

i feel tempted to jump from td1 to td3

#h1-victory-boasting message

[vital grove]

If you average less than 20 minute runs then TD3 is free

If you're not quite sure then do td2

[halcyon flame]

if i actively did td3 then i'd be getting diamonds and titan blood way slower so uh no thanks

maybe if i decide to do 16 heat

[dire steppe]

hi, heat strategies

[tidal flame]

hi~~

[true fable]

hi rigged

[spring kettle]

TD2 is basically free for me, but I can’t get sub 20 minute runs consistently

Even my fastest tend to be like 10 seconds longer

[tidal flame]

just take the 50 damage

though I tuned on TD2 recently

so I can open troves and farm for darkness

damn badges takes so much darkness

[daring hedge]

what

[true fable]

LOL

[tidal flame]

What?

I mean it's legit lol

[daring hedge]

i saw barges

you can't hide it from me

[tidal flame]

Oh yeah lol

[gaunt fiber]

Barge is joining?

[shy plinth]

Not joining so much as barging in

[tidal flame]

Damn it this bot is good xD

[gaunt fiber]

I won't blame you for trying

Jere, Gus, Sure, Wat, Dem and Barge

[tidal flame]

I lost context for most of those typos tbh

[gaunt fiber]

It's not that old

[tidal flame]

Ik, goldfish memory

[gaunt fiber]

The team is too big anyway

[tidal flame]

Yeah release the pokemons

[gaunt fiber]

[vital grove]

Barging in huh?

I thought that ship had sailed

[tidal flame]

And you, you want a ban, too?

[vital grove]

I would not refuse a banana

[torn vapor]

Did someone say baaaan?

Happy weekend, you fiery group you

[mossy zinc]

And a lovely weekend to you!

[opal token]

Is it still feasible to do Erebus gates on 5 min timers? Like I just tried one and it took a full minute bc it was just a million mobs. No jury summons

Just like 6 rounds of respawns

[daring hedge]

if you're on decent pace yeah i find they're doable in tartarus or asphodel at high heat TD3

elysium though i would not bother

[true fable]

elysium there is just a chance you get hit

[daring hedge]

just a chance

[tidal flame]

So there is a chance you don't

Therefore always take Erebus in Elysium

[alpine sleet]

Double down ;)

[opal token]

Okay thanks

I’m likely just too slow still

[sullen minnow]

I beat an Elysium Erebus gate with Talos fists one time and it might have been the proudest I’ve ever been in this game

[daring hedge]

it's still situational of course, you can have a run where you're tight on time and taking the gate would put you more at risk of going overtime

[sullen minnow]

No I’m not terribly smart, why do you ask?

[daring hedge]

you learn to gauge it

[ocean kayak]

Does

EM4 hades have a limited amount of times he can heal

[true fable]

4500 in phase 2, 4500 in phase 3 i believe

killing pots stops the heal i think

[shy gulch]

even in asphodel i usually find erebus gates not worth

elysium erebus gates are kekw

[spring kettle]

Risk of getting hit by stray butterfly too high

[gaunt fiber]

I took a centaur heart gate in asphodel for my mirrorless GY

4 hp at the end of the run

[daring hedge]

yeah if i'm running RI2, erebus asphodel heart is huge and i will likely take it if it doesn't take the place of a shop or miniboss

[shy gulch]

oh yea that 50 health is massive

i love when i see a chamber 1 erebus gate w a heart

[daring hedge]

same

astaos what are you doing

[sly remnant]

he enjoys curses

[daring hedge]

oh right of course

[sly remnant]

also who in the world thought it was a good idea to make the titan blood bonus reduce a penalty

just make it scale the special or somethign

[spring kettle]

Yeah, the other titan blood upgrades generally make a weapon better, not make it less worse

[mossy zinc]

Make it scale lifesteal.

1 HP per hit at Lv.1.

5 HP per hit at Lv.5.

[sly remnant]

thats a fine change

i wonder if the initial titan blood cost makes people wary of it in the first place

[gaunt fiber]

5 hp per hit but -70% hp still pog

[spring kettle]

Just make it -50% hp from the start and have the titan blood upgrades just upgrade the lifesteal

[vital grove]

Give it a special Call where you get Liu Bei and Zhang Fei to show up so you can get drunk together

And then Zhang Fei can kill everything in the chamber before passing out, I guess.

[gaunt fiber]

[tidal flame]

are we playing the same game?

[vital grove]

Have you not gotten drunk on Ambrosia

[gaunt fiber]

It's orange juice

[vital grove]

No but true talk

Ambrosia is mead

Nectar is the brand name mead

[gaunt fiber]

It's orange juice

[vital grove]

... Sure buddy, that's what it is.

[gaunt fiber]

[spring kettle]

In Greek myth nectar and ambrosia basically are made from honey

[vital grove]

Yes, mead

[alpine sleet]

TIL draining cutter heals you when it's LC4

wtf

[edgy arrow]

yeah lifesteal still works

cursed slash and GY spins also still heal

[upbeat cedar]

gah! Got to hades but lost out on time trying to make back death defiances I lost to HC

I was so close too, agh

[alpine sleet]

what 32 heat runs do yall run?

like settings

cause I want to see for reference

[sly remnant]

are you going for completion or time

[alpine sleet]

time

Imma try speedrunning now

[sly remnant]

standard speedrunning pact is HL5 LC4 EM3 MM BP1 FO2 HS TD3

some people prefer EM3 BP1 -> EM2 BP2

[alpine sleet]

oooo

thanks!

sounds like you have to be good and not get hit smh

[upbeat cedar]

what's the setup for completion?

[sly remnant]

A lot of people refer to 32 heat as the "dont get hit" version of any heat

[alpine sleet]

ah

hmm

funkay

[sly remnant]

Completion is HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3

^I might be forgetting something obvious I haven't run it in forever

[shy plinth]

Looks about right, some people run FO1 instead of something else

[crystal elk]

I can’t imagine playing without FO lol

It’s such an easy 3 heat

[alpine sleet]

I play on fo1 since fo2 is too hard for my smoothbrain

[crystal elk]

FO2 is a bit of a doozy but 1 just feels normal

[upbeat cedar]

gosh, Lasting Consequences and Hard Labor both scare me

[sly remnant]

Don't be afraid of hard labor. Its really not bad until you crank up FO2

[crystal elk]

Lasting consequences: just use SD to heal
Hard labor: don’t get hit lol

[alpine sleet]

yuh

[upbeat cedar]

I see kasdfjsdhajk

[alpine sleet]

I feel like bp and mm are also free heat

along with UC

[onyx venture]

HL is just like having 50% less health, so not so bad

[sly remnant]

FO0 HL5 is really manageable

[alpine sleet]

aj

so is it fo2 hl5 when it get's super hard?

[sly remnant]

UC is free for completion and god awful for time

[alpine sleet]

ah

[upbeat cedar]

I'm on Hell mode, and Personal Liability is huge F

[sly remnant]

You probably have a very particular hatred for bp2 witches

[upbeat cedar]

Mmm, yeah.

[crystal elk]

I did a TD3 JS1 run once and learned that you don’t use JS very quickly lol

[sly remnant]

Js1 is fine until elysium

[crystal elk]

Yeah

I won with like 1 minute left

It was very close

[alpine sleet]

JS3 in tartarus with numbskull room is funny though

just a hoard of yellow

[crystal elk]

I kinda wanna try that now

[sly remnant]

My 50 was JS3 CP2 DC2 EM4 TD3

You can imagine how fun that was

[upbeat cedar]

aksdfhasjkdasjkdks

[shy plinth]

Not

[alpine sleet]

I thought CP was a very different CP

oops

[sly remnant]

Its an unfortunate abbreviation

[shy plinth]

Yeah everyone mixes it up with Copy/Paste

[alpine sleet]

yu p

[edgy arrow]

huh has no one done mirrorless chaos 32 yet

seems doable

here i go i guess

[alpine sleet]

I'm pretty sure people have

but not 100% sure

[edgy arrow]

yeah i'd believe it

[alpine sleet]

just 99% sure somoene mentioned doing it

[edgy arrow]

its just not on the spreadsheet

so imma fix that

[upbeat cedar]

hmm mirrorless 32 heat

wack

[tidal flame]

so explosive skewer can't backstab

:(

[edgy arrow]

what i have learned:

1. i am very out of practice with chaos
2. i am very bad at hades with 1 dash

given those two facts, i think it says something about how good chaos is for playing it safe that i still managed this on the first try

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755802335112069312/799885393633476639/Hades_16_01_2021_5_17_12_PM.png

[tidal flame]

nice run!!!

though why is the screen so dim o.o

[edgy arrow]

lol that final fight was embarrassing tho

only pulled through because i remembered that you can cheese hades with charged shot by just hiding in a corner lmao

um i honestly don't know

it isn't that dim for me, i'm pretty sure its something to do with my hdr settings

[halcyon flame]

after 20 heat i'm simply unable to get more bounties?

[shy plinth]

20 heat per weapon yes

If you do prophecies you should be able to max basically everything before you run out of bounties

[halcyon flame]

i should go for harsh conditions

it can't be that bad considering i've already crossed nearly half of it off the list

[onyx venture]

Each pact on its own is honestly pretty manageable, especially when only a single point is put into it

[halcyon flame]

not having any rerolls could be problematic but i've been off worse

just a shame i don't get as many chances for duo boons

[onyx venture]

I mean, fair, but I think most people probably get their first clear well before their mirror is complete anyway so it's not like it's too punishing

[halcyon flame]

yeah, i mean i got my first clear way before getting fated persuasion anyways

[upbeat cedar]

Gah, came so close with an achilles serrated point build

It's okay, I have Eris lined up next

[halcyon flame]

any tips for 16 heat? i have fo1, em3, td2, bp1 and mm

thinking of going arthur since hallowed ground nullifies forced overtime but i could just try merficul end on fists and go full-on "play lame win game" for the third time in a row

[edgy arrow]

i'd consider taking some HL instead of FO, other than that seems fine

FO is a good pact to avoid on arthur especially

[halcyon flame]

i could just go with hl and lc

sometimes i feel like i took one too many centaur hearts by the end of a run

[edgy arrow]

LC generally isn't used at 16 either

[halcyon flame]

i guess i could just put on hl1 and ri1

[edgy arrow]

if you don't like the sound of HL3 then UC or or some CF will be easier to manage than LC

RI1 is actually way more annoying than it looks

Dark foresight is really really good

but feel free to experiment

[halcyon flame]

i've been off worse

at least i beat hades before unlocking the last 4 mirror talents

[edgy arrow]

well i've been running RI4 for fun on half my runs lately so i can't exactly stop you lol

honestly trying out a bunch of the pacts and getting a feel for them is pretty useful anyway

[night forge]

anyone else think EM3 theseus is easier than without it

[shy gulch]

RI4 for fun, impressive

[edgy arrow]

i mean, i haven’t been winning with it regularly

it’s fun because it feels very different to “real” high heat stuff, but still interesting because there’s still a good chance i’ll die

[halcyon flame]

i wanna do mirrorless soon but i don't think i'm good enough for it

[edgy arrow]

this is actually a pretty common take, which i share

[halcyon flame]

at least i'm used to having only one dash thanks to fists

[edgy arrow]

fists don’t have less dashes?

hell, gilg has more

[halcyon flame]

i use ruthless reflex with fists most of the time

[edgy arrow]

interesting choice

[halcyon flame]

i just don't like using greater because i end up double dashing away from the enemy by accident

[edgy arrow]

good mirrorless training tho

[halcyon flame]

it happens more often than you think i swear

[edgy arrow]

i want all the i-frames i can get on fists tbh

plus greater is obviously best in slot for ME

[halcyon flame]

if i'm using a ranged weapon like rail or bow i'm definitely using greater though

i've gotten so used to being able to dash once sometimes i don't even pick greatest reflex if i'm already using greater reflex lol

[edgy arrow]

lol

each to their own ig

[night forge]

i always use LC4 even though i suck at not getting hit

when doing a 32+ heat run that is

[edgy arrow]

same tbh

most people do

well, maybe not at 32 necessarily, but past that

[night forge]

i still havent gotten past 30 haha

[halcyon flame]

me who hasn't gotten past 16 because bad rng

[gaunt fiber]

@edgy arrow proud of you

[edgy arrow]

what did i do

[gaunt fiber]

Emancipate from the mirror

[edgy arrow]

oh yeah

thanks

my next step is RI4 beo stuff, but 1 cast hurts

[halcyon flame]

i'm gonna have to do ri1 at some point because i gotta get the harsh conditions achievement

and also titan blood

[gaunt fiber]

It's nice that we see high heat interested players here

Rather the usual bunch of masochists

[halcyon flame]

imagine if hades fans were like hollow knight fans

[edgy arrow]

what’re hollow knight fans like

i played that game a bit, but haven’t really delved into its community

[halcyon flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCxBjE-xc1Q

[gaunt fiber]

I love hollow knight

Still listening to the ost

[ebon breach]

hollow knight is very fun

[halcyon flame]

the path of pain is the most fun part of hollow knight imo :)

[gaunt fiber]

Sealed vessel 💗

[halcyon flame]

pure vessel 💗

[ebon breach]

pure vessel is quite fun, but abs radiance is disgusting

[halcyon flame]

atomic radiance

:)))))))))))))))))))))))00

[shy gulch]

honestly i enjoy absrad fight a lot

[halcyon flame]

i bet you genuinely enjoyed path of pain

[shy gulch]

no i never did path of pain LMAO

i like combat challenges more than platforming challenges

so godhome spoke to me way more than path of pain

[ebon breach]

path of pain was enjoyable at the second time i went through it

[halcyon flame]

nobody tell him about ascended markoth 🙈

[shy gulch]

lul

its ok ive already done that

did i enjoy it? no. is it done? yes.

[ebon breach]

radiant markoth lmao

[shy gulch]

i also did that

so much pain

[halcyon flame]

#video-games

[gaunt fiber]

chooo chooo

[upbeat cedar]

I need to use stubborn defiance, on high heat I cant build up enough death defiances to make Cerbie's collar worth more than a skelly tooth

[gaunt fiber]

SD will be great once you'll be used to the bosses

[shy gulch]

^

[gentle bridge]

been speedrunning too much, forgot how much enemies hurt in 40h lol

[spiral drum]

What’s a good 8 heat setup?

Also, does convenience fee mean that the Styx blood/diamond is also more expensive?

[honest kernel]

Diamond and Titan Blood prices stay the same, covenience fee or not

[spiral drum]

Oh good

[gaunt fiber]

I thought Zaegis would be boring

it's not

[upbeat cedar]

Zaegis always starts out feeling wack, then turns out to be awesome

[gentle bridge]

whats a good starting build for zag shld?

[honest kernel]

Artemis attack -> Aphrodite dash

Shoot for Heart Rend

Pulverizing Blow is your main hammer

[true fable]

charged shot is a good consolation

[honest kernel]

As is Dashing Wallop

[gaunt fiber]

wow

I did not went that way at all

[honest kernel]

What did you go for ?

[gaunt fiber]

Heartbreak strike, special on doom, explosive return, dashing wallop

[honest kernel]

Interesting

But Arty attack on a base 40 damage attack/dash-attack is actually huge

[waxen relic]

Arty gets more of wallop and of getting heart rend, but Aphro attack is completely fine

[honest kernel]

^

[rain sedge]

Nice name fellow casual bright

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/XJLMtRz

God's pride 🙂

I'll try Deadly strike tho, seems fun

[halcyon flame]

i simultaneously dread and look forward to the day i do 32 heat

[dire steppe]

good morning heaters

[upbeat cedar]

I will return to lower heats until I've maxed out all the weapons, I cannot take the heat, I MUST stay out of the kitchen

now that i got the last of skelly's prizes

[halcyon flame]

i wanna max out fated persuasion and authority but i think at this point i don't wanna go below 11 heat

[rain sedge]

how many aspects is that astaos?

[true fable]

hes catching up

[rain sedge]

he's already ahead, I havent been playin

[gaunt fiber]

I'm not trying to get Zaegis with Deadly strike too, no rush

What is left is : swords, 2 spears, chaos

[rain sedge]

damn

I'm left with 3 swords, achilles, hades, 3 fists

and of course, stupid beowulf

[gaunt fiber]

I'm literally face taking rooms to go fast

[rain sedge]

oooh wait zag bow and rama too

I've been failing at the beowulf runs badly, I hate this aspect

[gaunt fiber]

I got mine first try, quite easily but blessed run

[rain sedge]

I've been kinda unlucky but inherently I'm just bad at the weapon

I've handled worse RNGs on the other runs

[gaunt fiber]

Although Tyler and Bright yelled at me for the pact

Idk it's strong

[rain sedge]

I do CF0 DC0

fist I might need FO1, kinda bad at it

[gaunt fiber]

I had CF maxed and AP1 UC

[rain sedge]

gilgamesh I have no idea what I'm gonna do

[gaunt fiber]

It depends

If you just wanna clear, go ME

I did not want to go ME for fists

Since playing ME is not playing the aspect to me

[rain sedge]

isnt the attack too slow for an effective ME run?

I was gonna retrash it up and blade dash

[gaunt fiber]

This was part of my plan

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I hate that attack too but it should work

[rain sedge]

well I'll retrash it up then high roll for ME

if I fail

meanwhile, I gotta deal with beowulf... sigh

[gaunt fiber]

Have you seen the Hadesprofessor way

This is what I did

[tidal flame]

What is it?

[spring kettle]

Hadesprofessor afaik did all aspects at 50 heat

[rain sedge]

I mean I just want an easy way since I am a casual

let me try beo one more time

you gonna push heat soon astaos?

50 GY?

[gaunt fiber]

Curse of longing passion dash Doom on special, special only

[spring kettle]

I feel like tartarus is the tightest on time using tight deadline

If I get past tartarus on TD2, the rest of the deadline is easy

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I'll do it. Don't know when tho. I'm clearing 40 heat all aspects, then prolly a bit of GY speedruns (32 or 40 imo), then maybe

I just change plans frequently for something funnier

Maybe I'll push mirrorless GY

But mirrorless requires so much energy

[tidal flame]

Interesting

[turbid bobcat]

64 GY :p
do the impossible

[gaunt fiber]

GY requires boons/hammer to be fast

64 is not gonna happen, timer too tight

[tidal flame]

Just seed it

Seed/route the first 3 chambers

[spring kettle]

Tailesque got very close

[gaunt fiber]

On GY I mean

[spring kettle]

Just need to either learn how to do it one dash or hope hermes gives you extra dashes

[gaunt fiber]

Half hp is tough btw

Like I can get aspects I've never played quite easily to 40

[rain sedge]

it's the RI4 LC4 that's the barrier

[turbid bobcat]

at least lifesteal still works on LC4

[spring kettle]

just get a healing hammer

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah and that's huge

[spring kettle]

none exist on bow

[gaunt fiber]

But spin GY is too slow

[gaunt fiber]

Even with seed, I would need more practice. Not good enough yet

[tidal flame]

Just git gud bro

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[tidal flame]

Big brain strat :D

[rain sedge]

that's a beowulf chamber 8 mirage shot

well, if this doesnt work, nothing will

[gaunt fiber]

Oh yeah mirage shot

[true fable]

are you running flood flare

[gaunt fiber]

I went crush shot Heartbreak flourish charged flight

[rain sedge]

yeah the certified bright01 build ™

I dont need hammers right

[true fable]

its not my build

as much as i hate to say it it's a wriste13 original

[sly remnant]

pretty unnecessary for hammers yea. but sudden + mino or charged + sudden

are quite good

[true fable]

charged shot in general is S+ tier