let me dry run some 57 runs and see how I feel
#h1-high-heat-strategies
static plover
yeah you can only view the epic achievements in game from memory it's Shift + F3 to view them
rain sedge
at least I got the achievements, I assume it's the same as steam
hmm... I know I'm a better player than when I did the 50. I could add 1 JS and CP and PL to that. If I practice EM4, that'd make it 57
static plover
yeah, the achievements you get in run e.g earn charon's loyalty card won't immediatly unlock if you did so on another copy of the game
static plover
I'm not 100% sure how much of the things from switch will carry over for epic achievements
rain sedge
it's fine, I can always redo it in hell mode save
I missed a lot of extra dialogue because switch was late in patch anyway
although running every run with JS and CP would be uh, interesting
sly remnant
the required CP point is so :puke:
formal gust
zag shield pulverizing with divine strike sounds like it would be very good
crude nimbus
Guys, I'm not sure 80% defence will help me for a 32 run. I need something to protect me from a string of 1 DMGs. The poison is brutal.
rain sedge
Broken Spearpoint stops it.
TIL
waxen relic
What's that acronym? Don't we have enough?
thorny coral
shell hound
it's never enough!
unreal pasture
the wobbles special...
But yeah, Spearpoint is very good for act4 / styx
Stops lasers and poison
mossy zinc
I expect you all to do the EM4 extra challenge for our Holiday challenge. 
solemn pulsar
?
mossy zinc
Check the pins in #h1-builds-and-combat!
mossy zinc
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit?usp=sharing
There's a submission form similar to the high heat leaderboard.
I added the link to each pinned challenge post, too.
mossy zinc
Wow, you finished your second run in two minutes after the first.
gaunt fiber
I got an Artemis exchange for the flourish in asphodel, Athena was so mad she never showed up gain
gaunt fiber
One more boon and you would have gotten Disciple of Aphrodite. <:squirtooh:45691...
Yeah that's unlucky
gaunt fiber
Wow, you finished your second run in two minutes after the first.
speedy boi
mossy zinc
Good luck! 
sly remnant
yo uhave to use sword too astaos
gaunt fiber
What is sword
mossy zinc
There's no FO.
mossy zinc
Good luck!
gaunt fiber
there are 2 challenges?
mossy zinc
Yes.
mossy zinc
You'll unlock the true ending, but you won't complete the challenge.
gaunt fiber
I see
mossy zinc
Lady Aphrodite is the goddess of love. She also wants everyone to come together for the festival of love and family, m sure.
gaunt fiber
it's sword TD2 5 sack
mossy zinc
It is.
gaunt fiber
unseeded too?
mossy zinc
It's not a competitive leaderboard, so you can do whatever you like.
gaunt fiber
Yeah I was not going to reset
rain sedge
there's challenges now?
true fable
just saw the pinned link, sorry nyaanyaa
ive been wanting to do the 10 god challenge for a while so this'll be fun
fated auth 
paper flame
theres a PHASE 3 NOOOOOO i didnt plan for this
true fable
i like that the first challenge introduces newer players to some high heat staples
like EM4 and 5 sacks
frozen lake
whats EM4.... youre telling me this game gets HARDER
mossy zinc
Check pins in #h1-builds-and-combat!
frozen lake
it doesnt explain them though ^^;
mossy zinc
Hmm? What's not explained about the challenges?
spring kettle
oh got it, try to go beyond normal cap of number of gods
mossy zinc
Extreme Measures is a pact of punishment. 4 is the max level.
spring kettle
And it's cherry on top if you manage chaos as well
frozen lake
i just don't think I've gotten to the part of the game that explains pacts of punishment
spring kettle
Have you beat the game at least once?
frozen lake
nope
frozen lake
im still trucking through beating hades once, but I'm very interested in these challenges
honest kernel
spring kettle
I find having a timer so stressful but supposedly TD1 is basically free heat since tartarus is the most difficult at least at first
For TD3 is when you start worrying about sack room count
mossy zinc
You might want to avoid this channel because this is basically the end game channel for anyone who pushes past what the game actually requires.
The challenges will stay up, so play at your own pace and try them when you get there!
frozen lake
im not a big spoiler avoider!! its ok
i know what im walkin my blissfully ignorant self into
mossy zinc
Extreme Measures offers a harder version of each boss fight.
EM1 buffs the first boss, EM2 buffs the first and second, etc.
spring kettle
You don't even get access to EM4 until after you've finished the story
rain sedge
what the hell is that first challenge lol
zag aspect EM4 is cruel even for you nya
isn't that just an ME fishing run
frozen lake
ah i see
mossy zinc
Good luck, @rain sedge!
frozen lake
and here I can barely manage through elysium.. man im gonna die lol
rain sedge
UC too!
mossy zinc
You're delivering presents, yes!
spring kettle
You'll get there
rain sedge
and here I can barely manage through elysium.. man im gonna die lol
you don't wanna hang out here, this channel is the capital of spoiler city
good luck though!
mossy zinc
zag aspect EM4 is cruel even for you nya
EM4 is the extra challenge!
rain sedge
and voluntary 5 sac? damn
rain sedge
did crepes do the thing when I went to sleep eysterday
mossy zinc
WR is still at 57.
sly remnant
some real bad sack luck on his AP2 blessed run was sad
rain sedge
some real bad sack luck on his AP2 blessed run was sad
ya I was there, even offered blood sacrifice for him to get 2 sac
rain sedge
"only 57"
well 57 won't make me king
I need to take RI3 if I want to be king and i'm not prepared for that
or AP2 which is so bad on eris
mossy zinc
You could always do 51 Heat seeded and be #1 in seeded.
rain sedge
technically my 50 heat is "seeded" since I dont have vide
mossy zinc
Technically, it's an "Unrecorded run - Victory Screen only", which is why it's under Unrecorded Runs - Victory Screen Only.
Honorable mentions.
rain sedge
nya
wanna gift me a £10 present
hades in epic store is £10 now
then I record runs :3
mossy zinc
You must be confusing me with somebody who gifts to guys rather than gets guys to shower her with gifts.
mossy zinc
not to be a living pile of garbage
Who called you trash? Was it Alecto?
gaunt fiber
Me
Perfect build for the challenge
being a clown phase 1
lost at the end of phase 3
gaunt fiber
It's not extra if it's in it
for me I mean
My second run does not even have Aphrodite
mossy zinc
Extra Challenge:
Extreme Measures 4!
Well, it's obviously mandatory for high-heat players.
rain sedge
all I hear is "reroll until you get ME"
rain sedge
Who called you trash? Was it Alecto? <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
I know someone else who calls him trash 
mossy zinc
Who? Who?
formal gust
for zag shield high heat pulverizing + divine strike seems very good
waxen relic
really high heat doesn't have builds
gaunt fiber
TD2 is the challenge. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
That's what I meant but I've never died to TD2 before lmao
formal gust
really high heat doesn't have builds
you can make a build in like, 40
and 45 even
but above that you kind of just roll with the punches
dire steppe
I don’t know why but I keep failing when trying my stupid meme build
formal gust
does zag shield take DC1 or 2
dire steppe
Which is blade dash main dps on eris 32
mossy zinc
@gaunt fiber how far did you get? Phase 3?
dire steppe
With tempest strike
dire steppe
But it’s just 32 heat. You could probably do it first try
waxen relic
does zag shield take DC1 or 2
whatever you like tbh. some go for Zeus Special and DC2.
Recently i've taken DC0 to smash them immediatly
mossy zinc
I do FO0 for pretty much all of my 32 Heat challenges. Try that.
dire steppe
it is
formal gust
on a scale of 1 to 10 how hard was 46 with zag shield
dire steppe
it’s HL5 CF1 JS2 BP2 EM3 MM UC DC2
(i think that’s 32?)
wait i’m missing something obviously
that only adds up to like 25
oh right LC4 TD2
forgot cause i never turn them off
waxen relic
on a scale of 1 to 10 how hard was 46 with zag shield
it's the hardest i completed so far
lusty mirage
<@!238040913715265537> how far did you get? Phase 3?
yeah near the end of phase 3
mossy zinc
Nice.
dire steppe
blade dash is so hard to use until you get lv3 black metal
lusty mirage
Bablo is on #48 of 40 heat all aspects streak, arthur
mossy zinc
Nice. That's two rounds of all aspects if he can make it.
@dire steppe try HL5 LC4 CF2 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM HS TD3 maybe?
gaunt fiber
<@!238040913715265537> how far did you get? Phase 3?
2 tries, both phase 3
mossy zinc
UC might be better than CF2, but I'd try CF2 first.
dire steppe
i’ve never cleared the game in under 20 minutes
gaunt fiber
Have you tried?
dire steppe
no
gaunt fiber
Settled matter.
mossy zinc
Oh, that would make things more difficult.
I guess FO1 TD2 then, perhaps?
Or maybe hmmm HL0 LC4 CF2 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD2.
dire steppe
maybe i should stop trying to be retrash
i played 1 run of rama yesterday and my timings were all off cause i got used to garbage eris builds
mossy zinc
Maybe doing that build on something like HL5 EM3 MM HS TD3 would be good practice for you.
Or just EM3 TD3 at all.
Or EM3 TD3 with any build. I think doing TD3 consistently at low heats is an essential skill for consistent high heats.
Even if you end up taking TD2 at high heats.
Don't have to do like sub 9 speedruns or anything like that.
gaunt fiber
maybe i should stop trying to be retrash
You could try to be Astaos
There is less glory but the fun is here
true fable
higher than it was last time i checked i think
gaunt fiber
I got 2 clears today
I'll let you know later
That serrated Low tolerance was so nice to play
clever otter
im trying 32 heat for real... this hurts me
mossy zinc
I don't think you wanna take AP on Malphon at all because that hammer is too good.
Explosive Upper, too.
mossy zinc
Malphon needs to be point-blank, and you can't stunlock armored enemies.
clever otter
which one do i take tho
mossy zinc
Breaching Cross just deletes armor like nothing.
Rush Kick. Quake Cutter tbh is pretty much a dead hammer.
tidal flame
Honestly if you don't have much experience with rush kick it can be detrimental.
Quake cutter doesn't do much but at least it won't hurt.
So up to you, really, Alma
mossy zinc
I guess. But I also think it's better to take Rush Kick and just learn to use it. I just view all of my runs as practice pretty much.
Breaching Cross and Explosive Upper on Demeter Aspect are so much better than any other hammer that you just don't want to take AP. I don't take AP on Guan Yu, either, for similar reasons.
sly remnant
i mean they are good but its not like malphon is hammer reliant. You'll have damage with zeus attack and arti special
mossy zinc
Guan Yu doesn't rely on hammers at 32 at least, either. But it just makes the whole run so much easier if you get those hammers.
On specific hammers, I should say. Hammers always help a lot.
Unless it's Quake Cutter.
That just doesn't do anything.
mossy zinc
lmao
mossy zinc
I think so. I don't think I can streak Guan Yu at 40 yet, but I think it's definitely possible.
gaunt fiber
My best streak is 2 lmao
cinder cave
Guan Yu relies on tempest strike
dude some people might take this stuff seriously
gaunt fiber
I'll try do make it consistent
cinder cave
think of the new guys on the HHHS block
mossy zinc
I've taken Tempest Strike on Guan Yu on serious runs.
cinder cave
and they try tempest GY
and say omg GY truly unuseable
yeah but relies is different from viable
I enjoyed double spin with divine strike and deadly reversal
clever otter
i died in elysium again :( BP greatshields
rain sedge
Taking astaos seriously
mossy zinc
@clever otter what pacts etc. are you running? Maybe I can help out. 
gaunt fiber
Taking astaos seriously <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
You're right
cinder cave
<@!277542384685023232> what pacts etc. are you running? Maybe I can help out. <:...
be wary, she's gonna recommend RI4 next
the signals evil intent
mossy zinc
No, it doesn't.
rain sedge
I see the RI4 LC4 screenshot already
Maybe we can get nya banned for real if she trolls a mod
mossy zinc
@clever otter help. They're bullying me.
gaunt fiber
I don't think it's within the realm of possibility
clever otter
this is my pact right now, and i did pretty well with it in my one malphon attempt, just died to mistakes
sly remnant
FO2 for your first 32 is alot
i'd def consider going to FO1 and taking EM3 or BP2
you could consider JS3 as well with lightning strike
true fable
the only thing i dont like about this challenge is the number of people who will discover merciful end
mossy zinc
The easiest setup imo for Malphon at 32 is HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3.
mossy zinc
Yeah, AP makes things a lot harder than they need to be.
true fable
what sort of build are you going for?
mossy zinc
BP2 isn't too hard if it's JS0 CP0 DC0 and FO0.
It's a normal amount of enemies with normal amount of HP etc. And they're not scary fast.
true fable
if you're trying for merciful end fists i'd strongly recommend you only take one of UC/CF2
mossy zinc
And with low enemy numbers, TD3 is relatively easy on Malphon.
true fable
if it's just zeus fists then JS1 CF1 is preferable to JS0 CF2
CF2 can snowball quite hard if you dont hit gold rooms early in tartarus
clever otter
athena and demeter worked for me last run so i could try that again. theres also a chance for stubborn roots if AP is kind
shy gulch
when i did 32 fists i think i did no jury and double convenience fee honestly
mossy zinc
Owl Pendant start is super reliable on Malphon for sure. I would go for Divine Dash unless the Divine Strike is Epic or at least rare if you really want a rare one.
shy gulch
no jury is just so nice
true fable
yeah i think owl pendant start is great
mossy zinc
AP0 just makes your runs so much more consistent.
true fable
since divine dash can let you pivot to merciful end or deadly reversal
@shy gulch that's fair, i just dont think JS1 TD2 is that bad
shy gulch
yeah at 32 heat i think u can skip AP
mossy zinc
Or you can just do Lightning Strike + Divine Dash, too.
true fable
and boons are good
shy gulch
ur right js1 td2 is absolutely doable
i think i just like no jury a lot personally
even js3 td2 is fine honestly, its just when u get to td3 where things get rough
true fable
my main thing with CF2 vs CF1 is that sometimes you can run CF1, get 0 gold rooms and still buy a boon off enemies and urns
CF2 that's not happening unless you get many gold rooms
i mean at tartarus midshop
then you have to sell one boon for UC
and you leave tartarus with like 2 boons
shy gulch
usually i just buy one from the endshop lol
covert hawk
do i have to studdy a book to understand all the stupid short forms you youse ? man the hades discord is more frustrating then a heaat run with all the heat -.-*
true fable
read the pins
shy gulch
lmao the acronyms are usually just pacts
shy gulch
yeah i just found my 32 heat fists run and ended up doing HL2, LC4, CF2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, DC1, TD2
covert hawk
wow there is not a single voice chat on this server ... i gues its just for lazy devs ho dont put patchnots on steam 
rain sedge
Oh cool, from time to time we get this kinda people in this channel
Luckily Alma is around here today
Also every time this happens, I regret Discord's block function
covert hawk
hahaha tell your mods , what toxic liil b you are i aasked for a voice chat and i get sass TOXIC AF
tidal flame
When in Rome do as the Romans do.
If you have feedback you can submit in #off-topic-discussion. But you sound like the type that is just looking for trouble.
cinder cave
To be fair there is a chance that the guy is actually dyslexic. Maybe give him the benefit of the doubt on that one
rain sedge
hahaha tell your mods , what toxic liil b you are i aasked for a voice chat and ...
Hey sis, maybe go back to 4chan where people like you belong? 😂
tidal flame
That's why I suggest he posts in #off-topic-discussion
cinder cave
if you want voice help, maybe actually be nice to people
sly remnant
To be fair there is a chance that the guy is actually dyslexic. Maybe give him t...
he literally said psyke after
tidal flame
But being dyslexic is not an excuse to be an asshat.
rain sedge
Oooh that's not censored
cinder cave
I was more commenting on "quit with the hos and dislexic jokes"
because it may not have been a joke
I wasn't justifying his behaviour at all
covert hawk
yellow dog is right i sugested it like a big boy
rain sedge
@clever otter you gonna ban this kid or nah?
tidal flame
warning maybe. he can tone down his overly annoying attitude. but if he has something good to say, let him talk.
don't you have a coutnry to run trump? instead of banning discord kids?
clever otter
hey all lets cool it, remember the first rule of the server and be kind.
rain sedge
Yikes can't escape from American politics
Good Christ, usually these people stay off this channel
true fable
yeah thereve been some more trolls recently
rain sedge
Did this discord get posted on a /Pol/ board to get brigaded or something
true fable
probably just game awards exposure
tidal flame
fwiw, he posted in #h1-builds-and-combat asking for 32 heat tips
rain sedge
Did Hades win?
tidal flame
wright redirected him here
rain sedge
I know it won times best award
tidal flame
so far I have seen no question regarding 32 heat from him though
rain sedge
I mean
Needs some sort of funky mental gymnastics to not see this kid as what he is, a troll
Also imagine pushing political agenda at a gaming discord, yiiiikees
One that's already over and lost, in that
tidal flame
Also imagine pushing political agenda at a gaming discord, yiiiikees
wth, that was an obvious joke lmao
rain sedge
I mean a joke is supposed to be funny? The rest of us aren't as interested in politics as others and would like to keep gaming to gaming
dire steppe
so does anyone have 32 heat tips
should i give up on eris blade dash and build gilgameshblade dash like a normal
rain sedge
Not sure what you mean by "obvious" joke, since I don't see it. Unless I'm really stupid and you're really smart
sly remnant
pick beo
put cast in shield
shield go booom
ez 32
dire steppe
no, for blade dash specifically
tidal flame
I mean a joke is supposed to be funny? The rest of us aren't as interested in po...
wth, I made one comment on a discord name as a joke. if you don't like the joke then move on? so far you are way more invested in this than i am.
dire steppe
i keep trying to build blade dash as main dps for god knows why
sly remnant
no, for blade dash specifically
pick blade dash in tartarus to help with skulls. sell in well for UC
dire steppe
:)
sly remnant
grats!
rain sedge
wth, I made one comment on a discord name as a joke. if you don't like the joke ...
I'm referring to his name, not your comment
cinder cave
i keep trying to build blade dash as main dps for god knows why
you're gonna have all the boasting rights when you beat it
cinder cave
I'm referring to his name, not your comment
I mean, isn't that just his discord name
rain sedge
i keep trying to build blade dash as main dps for god knows why
It's the retrash game
cinder cave
He'd have to specifically nick himself for this server
tidal flame
I'm referring to his name, not your comment
got it
frail crane
(I will say there is #h1-victory-boasting for that)
rain sedge
He'd have to specifically nick himself for this server
How does this invalidate any of what I'm saying?
tidal flame
(I will say there is <#725021639506526249> for that)
fwiw we usually post victory screenshot here if it's high enough heat so...
cinder cave
Is he specifically politicising something at a gaming discord if that's just his general name on discord?
rain sedge
Is he specifically politicising something at a gaming discord if that's just his...
Is this some sealioning tactic or what
Alright imma stop engaging with you people, see you back here when it's calmer
cinder cave
I'm just saying I've not seen the guy post anything untoward or mean or unreasonable. He just has his discord name as Trump 2020.
frail crane
As Fox mentioned, it is hahaha, I'm not in this specific channel as often so I didn't know that was the case
sly remnant
high heat victory screen is fine
cinder cave
Don't think he's breaking any rules here or anything
spring kettle
It looks like it’s his general discord name but he doesn’t post anything political in this discord so I wouldn’t worry about it
cinder cave
And tbh I think that's cool.
So who wants to talk about Hades again
What should I build on Gigla, I feel like I don't get this aspect yet.
sly remnant
tidal dash
cinder cave
actually? Why's that
sly remnant
yes
spring kettle
Yeah but you need another Poseidon core to enable sea storm now
sly remnant
flood shot is a cool boon
sly remnant
and lightning fists is good
true fable
you have 4 dashes that are ultra spammable with full invincibility
gilga is super duper safe
cinder cave
So just empty dash more
rain sedge
or is this bad risk reward
40 heat up maim is bait
true fable
yeah empty dash
sly remnant
ye lots of empty dashes
rain sedge
You eat damage trying to maim
true fable
until you get a good opening to maim
sly remnant
the base damage on gilga tidal dashis insane
cinder cave
sounds like sea storm gives you a billion damage anyway
true fable
i still think you can be aggro up to 32 ish heat
rain sedge
You have to high roll for sea storm now
true fable
breaking wave/razor shoals are better tries imo
rain sedge
And tidal dash at 40+ means you play kinda close and lose dashes
cinder cave
yeah i keep forgetting :P I didn't build sea storm much pre patch
rain sedge
I'd play with 3 dash, save 1 for dodge
cinder cave
I guess I've been massively underestimating tidal dash
is what i've learned from this
rain sedge
It's very high damage for what it is, and the pom scaling is great
rain sedge
2 poms and you can do something like 300 damage in 2s
cinder cave
okay, I get where you're coming from for sure
AOE with KB and supporting boons
on empty dashes
rain sedge
Not counting maim, since I pretend that doesn't exist in high heat
cinder cave
sounds pretty borked
waxen relic
But you have other better Hermes boons
what do you think would be a better boon from Hermes with that build/aspect?
rain sedge
Gilga is probably one of the worst weapon at 40+ tho
rain sedge
what do you think would be a better boon from Hermes with that build/aspect?
Well... Second wind? And I'd take dodge over +1 dash
true fable
you can go either way
rain sedge
Oh yea if you can get that, that's the best
But it's kinda high rolly
Affects your dash damage btw
cinder cave
we were talking about greatest reflex, not greater btw
rain sedge
It's super, super good
true fable
yeah i meant you can run either mirror option on gilga
cinder cave
I see I see
rain sedge
yeah i meant you can run either mirror option on gilga
Still would take more dash tbh but idk
true fable
greatest reflex can kind of be overkill but more dashes = more dmg
ruthless + second wind means youre effectively invincible from elysium on
daring hedge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/789605372075704350/20201218152839_1.jpg the hermes luck though
daring hedge
thank you!
mossy zinc
@daring hedge congratulations! Very well done indeed!
Now go do the monthly challenges pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat.
sly remnant
when's the EM4 kill?
daring hedge
wait there are challenges again?
mossy zinc
There are!
gaunt fiber
Gz Fox guy!
dire steppe
gg tail that is truly something
daring hedge
thanks all!
gaunt fiber
Carried by an overpowered aspect but it's still good I think
somber leaf
Oh I asked yesterday but didn’t get the answer
dire steppe
is tail as hot irl as his pact of punishment
daring hedge
Carried by an overpowered aspect but it's still good I think
ouch
somber leaf
Is there a way with controller to dash one direction and attack the other? I think my spear and sword play are both dramatically worse without that
dire steppe
just turn on em4 free 62 heat
true fable
jesus christ tailesque
you're an insane god gamer
but did you do the monthly challenges
tidal flame
monthly challenges would be too hard for him I bet
daring hedge
lol i need to get on these challenges
gaunt fiber
I did answer, you can dash and then attack instead of pressing the two inputs at the same time, just have to aim @somber leaf
dire steppe
https://prnt.sc/w5o5qq thank god for rerolls. smoldering air build btw
somber leaf
So dash in one direction then push stick back and attack?
daring hedge
i hope you were joking astaos because now i kinda feel worse about that 58 
gaunt fiber
Dude
dire steppe
i think i'm going to just sell greatest reflex instead of risking a worse pool
gaunt fiber
I went to see skelly with Rama
It took me 4 shots to powershot
Of course I'm kidding lmao
You're insane
daring hedge
i just have had one or two... unsavory comments on youtube before that basically amounted to:
the non joking version
gaunt fiber
I'll never diss someone like this
dire steppe
its hard to say this without sounding ironic but those people are just straight up haters
they know they could never do 50+ heat so they will just trash talk
sly remnant
the only person i'll legitimately diss is myself. i'm willing to bet thats true for most people in this server
you're an insane player
daring hedge
same tyler
tidal flame
hold up, is that a new hell save you made just for the clear?
sly remnant
i say just go straight to 62
daring hedge
kind of
gaunt fiber
So dash in one direction then push stick back and attack?
Yeah that's it. Practice with Skelly!
daring hedge
i wanted PL heat but without doing the file manip
and without getting an uploaded hell mode save
tidal flame
yeah, fair.
sly remnant
lmao
somber leaf
Will do! That sounds rough though, maybe I should try to relearn the game with keyboard and mouse? 3/6 weapons done at 32 heat but now finding I’m missing something haha
sly remnant
have you even banged meg yet
daring hedge
i'm close lmao
sly remnant
or is meg temporary but 58 heat is eternal
gaunt fiber
You'll get used to it
sly remnant
LMFAO
tidal flame
so like the last heat would be EM4 before talking about RI4 potential?
mossy zinc
i just have had one or two... unsavory comments on youtube before that basically...
I have some words for those people, too.
mossy zinc
People who don't take whatever they think is the best aspect for the job to a WR attempt are just not serious.
And those people commenting wouldn't even dare to attempt it to begin with.
daring hedge
i didn't even know it would be able to hold its own relatively well when i started using it in 1.0 really
i liked how it felt so i used it
and i still use it
gaunt fiber
@mossy zinc What do you mean not serious?
ripe crane
Rama has the highest ceiling for heat imo but is absolutely not the easiest to use
tidal flame
when retrash beat 54 on zag sword
ripe crane
There's a reason nobody else is close to what Tail's heat
tidal flame
im not sure about ceiling cap for any aspect to be honest
mossy zinc
@daring hedge just wanted to let you know that @gaunt fiber here already beat you to the EM4 extra challenge.
dire steppe
https://prnt.sc/w5ob49 Turns out 32 heat is really not that bad when you're not trying to do a blade dash build
gaunt fiber
sly remnant
its important to remember this is all "given our current knowledge"
dire steppe
tried out td3 on nya advice
sly remnant
no weapon has a cap beyond 63 heat, but we don't know how the weapon achieves it
shy gulch
I honestly don’t know if 63 is possible
sly remnant
its not
mossy zinc
My 32 Heat setups for people have like a 99% success rate.
tidal flame
RI4 is the last frontier
dire steppe
for the people? or when you run them?
mossy zinc
For the people who run them.
dire steppe
i wsa originally just gonna try to do fast with eris on like 0 heat but playing without bp2 lc4 was weird
feels wrong
daring hedge
RI4 at that level of heat just asks far too much consistent focus and keeping calm throughout the entire run and making virtually no mistakes during EM4 on top of that
gaunt fiber
I wonder how high I can get with RI4
tidal flame
sounds absolutely absurd
not really, i t just boils down to don't get hit and hit the enemies back
ripe crane
You had 30 seconds, an SD and a little health left. Is that long enough for you to beat phase 3 dad @daring hedge
mossy zinc
That's why I started the RI4 category.
dire steppe
i mean tbf crepes phase 1 and 2 of em4 also take longer
daring hedge
You had 30 seconds, an SD and a little health left. Is that long enough for you ...
probably not, especially since EM4 phase 1 takes a good chunk longer, at least personally lol
dire steppe
its not just regular hades + phase 3
daring hedge
i can be pretty slow at dodging and dealing with the summons sometimes
sly remnant
phase 3 is also just chaos
rain sedge
Hail, King @daring hedge
sly remnant
its short but its definitely a bit of an rng fest
mossy zinc
m confident that the RI4 record will eventually become the overall record, but until then, just pushing RI4 as well as general heat highet at all will get us closer.
dire steppe
also frost flourish + twin shot + chain shot from ap2 rama
dire steppe
thats pretty nice tail
rain sedge
tail and baj right now
ripe crane
Tru, that phase 1 is brutal. 60 seems very possible since your can take off CP. Even 61 with just one level less seems like enough time
daring hedge
the frost flourish was an accidental blessing when i forgot to switch off shackle and do an owl pendant start to fish for maybe divine dash and potentially DDs later
dem showed up and frost flourish actually was very nice
mossy zinc
Frost Flourish Rama broken. You heard it here first.
dire steppe
i'm bad so i always seek out frost flourish
rain sedge
do you think if EM4 was on you could've killed super dad tail?
proud jay
yo did i hear 58
rain sedge
yo did i hear 58
yes, tail is king
mossy zinc
You did hear 58.
shy gulch
owl pendant full run sounds interesting
daring hedge
do you think if EM4 was on you could've killed super dad tail?
probably not just because of phase 1 being a potential nightmare and also i get ridiculously nervous with EM4 and make mistakes pretty easily lol
also hey bablo i heard you did a double world tour in terms of 40 streak
rain sedge
probably not just because of phase 1 being a potential nightmare and also i get ...
I see, but seems like you're not that far off from it
maybe if one of us pretends we're trying 62 you'll get baited into barrel-rolling us
sly remnant
yea tial i'm totally doing 62 with beo right now
tidal flame
post that clip from Hael's stream
ripe crane
Tail, do you stream? Having chat made me less nervous at EM4 yesterday. It didn't stop me from being bad, but did make the mood lighter
sly remnant
we keep begging him to
daring hedge
i haven't yet but i'd totally be down soon honestly
sly remnant
YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS
daring hedge
i was just really busy with classes this semester
ripe crane
Also very easy to record that way
dire steppe
what major?
daring hedge
game design
dire steppe
that’s dope actually
daring hedge
Tail, do you stream? Having chat made me less nervous at EM4 yesterday. It didn'...
i hadn't thought about it like that but it totally makes sense
gaunt fiber
Sure
rain sedge
Pog
I want to read more about this on my free time tbh, do you have any good resources for a noob?
sly remnant
about Pog?
dire steppe
you want to read more about Pog
rain sedge
ping us with your recording btw when it's done
proud jay
I see, but seems like you're not that far off from it
yeah up to 48 wins. time to do something else i think
rain sedge
uhhhhhh I think people are quoting text 1 off?
rain sedge
game design
I mean I want to read more about this
dire steppe
lmao
rain sedge
also grats on 2x 40 streak bablo
you have digi-evolved now
or whatever it is called
tidal flame
so... speedrun?
sly remnant
I mean I want to read more about this
what topics specifically? or is it general?
rain sedge
yea just general game design, looks interesting
I know there's an expensive master class for it
but no way I'm paying for that
daring hedge
it's more interdisciplinary than just one big core class, at least in my case
and it's not super expensive
rain sedge
https://www.masterclass.com/classes/will-wright-teaches-game-design-and-theory
this is the super expensive class
mossy zinc
Having Nyaanyaa watching you totally eases the mind
Hmmm?
tidal flame
is game design major like a comp sci major or a design major?
sly remnant
kinda both?
tidal flame
makes sense
gaunt fiber
Hmmm? <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
I won tho, might be your doing
rain sedge
idk I want just the 101 version of it I guess? just something I'm interested in
mossy zinc
It's like a fine arts major. You have a lot of fun in university, then work at McDonalds while pursuing your dreams.
sly remnant
there are some decent books honestly on the history of board games and such
rain sedge
is board game design the same as modern PC game design?
graceful vortex
how much harder is the game without healing? seems pretty awful
tidal flame
Stubborn Defiance is your friend
rain sedge
just simple light reading ones
rain sedge
oooooohhhh
my old mentor at my previous job loaned me this book
thanks, I'll buy one now
sly remnant
its a good one
daring hedge
just simple light reading ones
the art of game design: a book of lenses is pretty good entry reading
mossy zinc
I see high heat strategies is evolving from asking for buffs to studying game design to make our own high heat games.
daring hedge
it sounds very generic but it's got useful stuff
sly remnant
for more technical stuff i'd honestly just read unity tutorials
rain sedge
the art of game design: a book of lenses is pretty good entry reading
by jesse schell, is that the right one?
daring hedge
yeah
rain sedge
got both, thanks yall
graceful vortex
ok im gonna try 32 heat for the first time lol, thought i had to go up heats 1 by 1 for bounties
daring hedge
it gives you a good idea on how to approach designing at all
rain sedge
I won't want to design, I like my job 😛 Just enjoy reading to new things
rain sedge
ok im gonna try 32 heat for the first time lol, thought i had to go up heats 1 b...
here's a general advice to get you started:
gaunt fiber
I would design a game
rain sedge
gaunt fiber
with lots of Guan Yu
rain sedge
just ask here if you need help, people are generally helpful
with some RI4 screenshots inbetween
mossy zinc
There's a lot of good articles on game design on Gamasutra and good videos on the Game Developers Conference's YouTube.
ripe crane
WHOA I don't think I ever actually said CONGRATS to @daring hedge for that FIFTY EIGHT HEAT. That's some SICK GAMING and I'm excited to see it get EVEN SICKER
proud jay
i kinda want to do the terrible 32 heat config
dire steppe
which one
proud jay
you especially know which one
sly remnant
FO2 EM4 RI4 AP2 TD3 i believe
dire steppe
i was thinking the one i posted
daring hedge
gamers be GAMING
mossy zinc
with lots of Guan Yu
So, Dynasty Warriors?
proud jay
i was thinking the one i posted
that's the one i had in mind
dire steppe
gaunt fiber
So, Dynasty Warriors?
Is Aphrodite in Dynasty Warriors?
dire steppe
for context
mossy zinc
@proud jay did you see the new monthly challenges pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat yet?
proud jay
nope
dire steppe
the worst part of the “terrible 32 heat config” is that other than the 4th point of RI it’s just an easier version of what people unironically use at 57 heat
ripe crane
I don't think I like Nyaa having challenge-making power. Now she can basically force is to run mirrorless
proud jay
that 4th point of RI matters quite a lot
dire steppe
true SD is op
rain sedge
i think HL5 is worse than ap2 with this setup
proud jay
FO2 also means you can't just cheese it with GY healing
rain sedge
you can circumvent the ap with shackle
gaunt fiber
FO2 also means you can't just cheese it with GY healing
Might be able to do it in 300 hours or so
rain sedge
oh no lc4, definitely that over ap
mossy zinc
You can probably cheese it until Elysium, at least.
dire steppe
true ri4 lc4 is deadly
proud jay
kinda want to
rain sedge
ping us if youre streaming it
proud jay
yea not now lol
rain sedge
Are you gonna attempt to dethrone tail instead
somber leaf
okay.. how do you handle a room of FO1 elite skulls who give themselves shields? haha
proud jay
speeder cloner
mossy zinc
For Savior Numbskulls, you just gotta accept the fact you're taking some damage and be aggressive. Once you killed one or two, it's gonna get a lot better.
But not aggressive to the point that you Dash-Strike right into their midst lol.
north dove
ugh lost a great 57 heat run to a 4-sack
proud jay
what u trying to 57 heat
mossy zinc
Empty dash is safe, so you can dash through them and maybe do some work with your Dash boons that way before turning around and swapping a few.
north dove
Nemesis
mossy zinc
Hangover, Lightning, and Bladerifts also help a whole lot with DC hearts in general.
gaunt fiber
Doom too
north dove
also wow did I miss Tailesque 58 👀 congrats!
proud jay
honorable mention to divine dash for dealing with DC
mossy zinc
Yeah, any dash boon definitely helps with DC.
One reason I don't really take Hunter Dash much anymore at high heat.
proud jay
hunter dash died with 1.0
daring hedge
also wow did I miss Tailesque 58 👀 congrats!
thank you!! 
proud jay
no EM4 right?
shy plinth
Oh wow grats Tail!
mossy zinc
@gaunt fiber submit your run.
daring hedge
yeah, i think i've had one, maybe two RI3 EM4 runs that made it anywhere in that fight
gaunt fiber
<@!238040913715265537> submit your run. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
working on it!
daring hedge
in terms of no extra dashes from hermes i mean
mossy zinc
Oh, you're exporting the video. Gotcha.
proud jay
oh i meant both of those exclusively
daring hedge
ah yeah
gaunt fiber
Oh, you're exporting the video. Gotcha.
The feature does not work for me
Idk why it just does not do anything
shy plinth
From twitch? Did you link it to your youtube?
daring hedge
same here bablo
proud jay
i think i haven't done serious RI3 runs since 54 heat in early access
gaunt fiber
From twitch? Did you link it to your youtube?
Yeah I think so?
gaunt fiber
I'll try that, thanks
proud jay
idk if i said it yet but big congrats tailesque
mossy zinc
That's happened to me before. I think I just used a different browser.
daring hedge
high heat RI3 feels just way too contingent on a useful hermes boon tbh
gaunt fiber
I'm using firefox and I don't know why
proud jay
giving 58 heat DC0 hestia a few tries i feel like it's quite doable
gaunt fiber
Well, well, another reason to unistall it
daring hedge
i think crepes made it really close with a setup like that a couple times as well
daring hedge
wow
mossy zinc
Crepes routes. https://clips.twitch.tv/KitschyFurryTireTTours
daring hedge
RI3 no EM4, or EM4 no RI3?
daring hedge
yeah
proud jay
but yeah i would've died to EM4 anyway
daring hedge
i think my biggest weakness with EM4 is feeling a little overwhelmed by all the pots, all the skulls, or both
graceful vortex
wow 32 heat kicked my ass
gaunt fiber
DC skulls 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
proud jay
i catch the spear with my face
daring hedge
i think i've mostly got hades himself down pretty well
proud jay
i don't think i took more than 1 or 2 pots in all of 40 heat streak
mossy zinc
@graceful vortex what's the setup?
proud jay
but there's just so much going on in EM4 fight
graceful vortex
this with hera https://puu.sh/GYT1g/09a2f0bae7.png
north dove
Phase 1 : 😕 Phase 2 : 😏 Phase 3 : 😬
daring hedge
yeah, i think greatest reflex even with RI2 is one of the absolute best boons for EM4, takes a ton of pressure off
dire steppe
i unironically think styx bracer is underexplored
north dove
why can't bracer just give +20% res without the downside
daring hedge
i feel like i would catch one too many spears in the back with bracer on
mossy zinc
I think EM4 DC2 FO2 can just put you into checkmate situations if you don't have the right build and even with the right build. Like, there are a lot of situations where you just can't avoid damage.
daring hedge
to be fair retrash has worked his way around that EM4 setup and come out victorious several times with some really odd builds
mossy zinc
Right. I think you need very particular builds to deal with that.
north dove
I feel pretty comfortable with EM4 as long as I have at least 1 athena DD
mossy zinc
And unavoidable damage doesn't mean you necessarily lose. You just need to die smore slowly than Hades.
daring hedge
knowing the fight inside and out is invaluable, even if a pot will still clip you sometimes because of course it will
proud jay
pots seem to linger on longer than the animation would suggest
daring hedge
definitely; that's most of my pot hits personally
i think it's safe to dash back to where it was
and it's not
north dove
yeah and pot range isn't always clear
proud jay
lol i've actually frame advanced one of your pot hits to see how it happened
mossy zinc
Urns lingering and Wringers grabbing you when they're already dead or you dashed well out of the way are two things that trigger me.
daring hedge
also getting forcibly shoved out of the way of a spawning pot
which isn't fully visible yet
proud jay
does that happen?
daring hedge
yes, it made me lose an SD in my 56 i think
shoved me towards the phase 3 opening wave
proud jay
huh
daring hedge
i had no clue what was happening at the time
daring hedge
does that happen?
https://youtu.be/I2o3t2MHBBs?t=1827 timestamped
mossy zinc
I have all the constructive comments today.
gaunt fiber
As always
dire steppe
i was about to make a joke about turning on FO in real life to run away but then i realized i have had forced overtime
amazon “essential workers” be like: HL5 FO2 CF2 TD3
tidal flame
there is a JS3 in there somewhere, too
rain sedge
tail, on your youtube video
you should put the clip of haelian trying to do 58, and talking about how you will snipe the 58 heat from under him
somber leaf
is Fidi not considered good?
rain sedge
is Fidi not considered good?
well, the haters here would say no, but if you're struggling at rooms I'd say take it
where are you dying?
somber leaf
I just switched from DD to SD
so... everywhere haha
just died to Theseus cuz I got clipped by the front of his carriage, I should have been fine but wasn't careful 😢
proud jay
takes a while to get hang of EM3 fight
rain sedge
nah stay meg then if you're dying at theseus
graceful vortex
Fidi?
graceful vortex
oh i see
rain sedge
ok 5000 damage don't have to me passive aggressively @gaunt fiber
gaunt fiber
COME ON BABLO DID IT FIRST
rain sedge
bablo gets a pass since he did 2x24x40 heat
rain sedge
the cool kids call it "clout"
btw I tried 56 eris just now
the buff duration change actually matters a decent bit at this heat
gaunt fiber
Eris no special challenge
gaunt fiber
ok 5000 damage don't have to <:thanthink:669246004142538753> me passive aggressi...
btw it was not I was wondering if I was missing something
somber leaf
woah, 5000 damage is a looot.. that said dropping Fidi doesn't take planning :P
also my deaths so far have largely been due to the fact that SD + LC4 requires a totally different playstyle. I generally take a lot of damage from the hydra in my normal runs, and Fidi feels great against him
daring hedge
wait ravenous will affects summon damage? nice
mossy zinc
If you're worried about dying to Lernie, just take the Acorn into Asphodel.
Or Coin Purse to get more HP or a Centaur Heart.
daring hedge
wait ravenous will affects summon damage? nice
nevermind i don't know what happened actually
gaunt fiber
losing a DD is dying to me
mossy zinc
It's not dying. You defy death.
true fable
i dont think rav will should
only sweet surrender/hunter's mark/targetin sys
afaik
wouldnt be surprised if there were some shenanigans going on though
mossy zinc
Can Thanatos still backstab or did they patch that?
daring hedge
yeah i just saw meg do over 3k and got very confused
assumed it was rav will, but it wasn't
so i'm still confused
true fable
do you have the vod yet or still uploading?
mossy zinc
Family Favorite/Privileged Status don't buff summon damage anymore, right?
north dove
I'm really digging the reworked Skull Earring
true fable
sadness
north dove
Shackle into Earring is pretty solid on 57 heat
daring hedge
yeah skull earring sounds just really good now
true fable
40% is kind of a lot
daring hedge
i haven't taken it for a spin yet
mossy zinc
You got all 10? Nice!
gaunt fiber
I got some 1k8 antos today. I ran PS but it was more likely sweet surrender
true fable
but a tempest strike triple explosive shot rama build carried me to the finish
:^)
tempest strike rama is quite bad
daring hedge
oh gross
north dove
tempest strike rama is quite bad
mossy zinc
I got 9 first try when I play-tested it, didn't bother going for 10. Did you reset a lot to get all 10?
gaunt fiber
tempest strike ~~rama~~ is quite bad
It has some uses tbh
mossy zinc
Tempest Strike Guan Yu is so unexpectedly good, actually.
You don't really heal for much with every spin, but nothing can touch you.
The knockback is huge.
gaunt fiber
Submitted
gaunt fiber
@proud jay I missed your GY run today, can I watch it somewhere?
If the build is particular or anything
proud jay
lightning strike and charged skewer with aphro special
gaunt fiber
Yeah I know that hammer lmao
proud jay
you could try to look up my most recent broadcast
gaunt fiber
I will
proud jay
@gaunt fiber https://www.twitch.tv/videos/841632442?t=03h25m12s
proud jay
figured i might as well since it's easy for me to look it up
true fable
I got 9 first try when I play-tested it, didn't bother going for 10. Did you res...
i had to reset a fair number of times
also ran fated auth
for anyone else trying remember to roll post room before you take a mystery boon
gaunt fiber
I like how you pretend to hesitate when you see charged skewer
mossy zinc
rain sedge
is the tail video up yet?
daring hedge
i haven't trimmed it yet lol, it'll be up later tonight
somber leaf
oof. is SD actually easier for 32 heat? it seems like it requires close to perfection!
gaunt fiber
It's not easier, it's something you'll have to get used to I'd say
But it gives you more room for mistakes in chambers
32 is flexible tho. You can totally ignore LC4 SD
somber leaf
yeah... it's kinda neat that I ALWAYS have to be on edge, 3 dd means I generally never die before Theseus
and Patroclus can make a failed run into an easy one
spring kettle
Patroclus singlehandedly saves runs in which you lose all DDs but get an OP build later
gaunt fiber
same goes for SD actually
somber leaf
hm?
somber leaf
yeah, but he can't turn around a run I think
I guess actually, that is ONE big heal, but... eh
gaunt fiber
it's not one
spring kettle
If you're lucky it can last until the Hades fight
gaunt fiber
It's just good if it makes you reach Hades full hp
somber leaf
true - but taking random clips definitely happens
somber leaf
hah! that's so true
so Patroclus can take an any run and make it easy with SD, if you're lucky with rooms
whereas with DD, if you can just GET to him, you win
gaunt fiber
Way easier yeah
Yeah but anyway
SD is kinda the way to go once LC4 is on
GY can use DD since you have healing but that's it
daring hedge
i think i need a new computer soon lol, tired of dealing with disk usage freezes and worrying if my game will crash outright
this happened during the 58 and i seriously thought i was gonna lose the hermes luck to a random crash
tidal flame
good luck with that!
true fable
SD actually requires less perfection if you get the athena DDs
just have to be more on point early
shy gulch
^
being able to lose DDs in regular rooms and not have it affect later rooms is quite nice later on
somber leaf
Yeah, the early bit requires a lot more work but late stuff less I think
If you lose an Athena DD, you can’t get it back, right?
gaunt fiber
Right
true fable
i need to stop watching streams and doing runs at the same time
thought i was in a non combat chamber with epic jolted and flourish on chaos 50 heat
i was not in a non combat chamber
gaunt fiber
Oof
mossy zinc
true fable
i think i walked straight off into lava and died while ellomenop died in HC
sly remnant
@true fable told @daring hedge about switching to stygian soul to help hermes pool and then he gets insane hermes luck. bright actually did 58 tailesque was just the tool
daring hedge
it's true
true fable
i will take credit i say from the bowels of 50 heat
daring hedge
58 is up now
rain sedge
does it have the clip of haelian talking about tail barrel-rolling his 58 attempt?
true fable
@daring hedge why did you reset that first run? just timer?
sly remnant
does anyone else do that thing where when they stupidly fail an erebus chamber they reset so you don't have to include it in the video?