#h1-high-heat-strategies

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shy plinth
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There are other spots on the mirror that are way more important

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Fam fave/Dark foresight obv

forest token
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But you generally don't aim to get backstabs on bosses unless you're really lacking dps

wispy blade
true jewel
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trust me its way easier to accidently backstab a boss then it is too do anithing usefull with +75% for one hit

true jewel
forest token
true jewel
wispy blade
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🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿

forest token
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I mean 50% of a base 15 atk isn't doing a lot lmao

true jewel
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even accidently

wispy blade
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no way i got 7 more damage on my attack

true jewel
forest token
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Fiery isn't like that much helpful past tart tho if you're min maxing

wispy blade
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dawg you are not getting 81 damage

forest token
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Maybe Ely eyeballs

wispy blade
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not from a bakcstab

true jewel
bleak grotto
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I think even with Malphon I'd go Fiery to get the jump on the billion small mobs

wispy blade
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a backstab will net you 7 damage

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on standing strikes

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no more

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unless u have backstab boosts

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in whcih case it might instead be like

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10

true jewel
wispy blade
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??

bleak grotto
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For the record, vetbaitednv is a WR-setting player

shy plinth
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Yo adgor, so just to make sure we understand how best to help you - what kind of advice are you looking for? We're happy to provide advice on what's worked for us at 32+ heats and what's worked for other people, but also, if you wanna just play your way, nothing wrong with that and we wish you luck. We're here to help if you need it, but it's a bit tough to understand what you're looking for

true jewel
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ok so first double that with expose then the +40% and a lot more dont even remember tbh XD

shy plinth
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The regulars in this room have cleared at 40-50+ heats and/or are speedrun record holders. We're happy to share what consistently works

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But if you don't want that advice and you wanna do things your way, more power to you. You can rock that. It's just gonna be tough to engage with that if you're set on your choices as they stand now

true jewel
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tbh i was just looking for heat thats it

shy plinth
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For context, I've cleared every aspect on 32 heat and would consider myself one of the least skilled regulars of this channel

wispy blade
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ok so with an epic lvl4 blinding flash which is already a build mistake

shy plinth
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You have a LOT of knowledge available to you

wispy blade
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you get 25 more damage from a backstab

forest token
shy plinth
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Yep, I shared my pinned post with heat progression and mirror choices too

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Your guide is the best resource there but I think adgor is only doing 16 right now

true jewel
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yeah i didnt survive that high damage glove run so i dont have my build

shy plinth
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You can look up your runs in the admin chamber

true jewel
broken echo
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Fiery helps you hit breakpoints on trickle rooms and in general so you have more time to play safer on bosses

forest token
wispy blade
true jewel
broken echo
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Why do you have blinding flash

bleak grotto
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Opportunity costs! Opportunity costs everywhere zagpls

broken echo
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Is this a fist build?

wispy blade
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yes

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its very confusing

broken echo
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🗿

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If you’re going for heat, start zeus and force Athena into aspho

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Look for static discharge

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That is the build

wispy blade
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they had a naked doom i believe

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and ddash

broken echo
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Oh

wispy blade
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but did not seem to be going for ME

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for some unknown reason

broken echo
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Don’t know how it works maybe?

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I didn’t

bleak grotto
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Probably hasn't experienced the ludicrousness of ME. I didn't appreciate it for the longest time either

true jewel
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it was less a build and more trowing crap at a wall till it works and managing progression at the same time

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heh nice my "wierd" build just killed thina in 10-20 seconds

sly cove
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@forest token what did i miss

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i think i was last here in like january

quiet acorn
forest token
sly cove
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64 gy is crazy

forest token
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Guan Yu was before rama

sly cove
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seeded?

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who did it

forest token
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Also both of those records were the same person

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Playad

sly cove
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new person?

quiet acorn
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Regular modded

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Not seded

forest token
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Vaguely? Idk he's been working on 64 for a while

sly cove
quiet acorn
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I mean that too

sly cove
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o

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ig that is a seperate mod ig

forest token
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First boon epic is standard for 64 lmao

quiet acorn
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Ii kinda just assume that as regular modded for heat

forest token
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Also Athena spin build btw lmao

sly cove
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sheist

forest token
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Aether did 60 first with that build and proved that it could work

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And then playad did it on 64

sly cove
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was rama straight to 64

forest token
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Also double hammer reliant, needs massive spin for damage

sly cove
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i swear 62 wasnt even done when i left

forest token
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62 was done tho

sly cove
forest token
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Healing did kinda matter tbf lmao

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But yeah that happened

quiet acorn
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Yeah. Strong drink

sly cove
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i was checking other day but sheet is useless

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idk why i thought it wouldnt be

forest token
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Someone made a new leaderboard for heat

sly cove
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o

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any new 60s or anything?

forest token
broken echo
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Soon...

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quiet acorn
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Soon 😩

broken echo
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yeah

sly cove
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we had zagbow right

forest token
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Timothy did Chiron 60 iirc

broken echo
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oh playad got 59 AP0 eris

quiet acorn
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When

forest token
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Oh based

quiet acorn
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Wtf

broken echo
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few days ago

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yeah

forest token
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Fairly recent

quiet acorn
sly cove
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eris 64 when

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LOL

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dyno as garbage as ever

quiet acorn
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@willow kindle 🤓

sly cove
forest token
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Poshboy also cleared modded 64 Zeus as well

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Explosive return aphro special is chunky damage

sly cove
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have u guys played hades 2 yet

forest token
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Can't I have finals next week lmao

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And so many projects

broken echo
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played a bit yeah

quiet acorn
sly cove
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i wonder how rusty im gonna be

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i just downloaded it

quiet acorn
sly cove
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ye

quiet acorn
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Windows privilege

sly cove
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what do u use

quiet acorn
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Smart fridge

sly cove
quiet acorn
sly cove
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can i submit my old runs to board lol

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or do u need video

broken echo
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You need a video

sly cove
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L

forest token
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Oh yeah speaking of mac

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There's a fun bug with Athena deflect on rocket bomb and guan Yu spin that deflects all projectiles on screen when released lmao

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Does happen a few times in playads run but it doesn't do anything meaningful

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And he also proceeded to redo it without he bug using a VM or something and beat it hypermoddes for second hammer lmao

true jewel
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my build is "has % = take it" XD

forest token
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That's not good for fists attacks lol

sly cove
broken echo
sly cove
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dash only with ddash 🧌

broken echo
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atleast you're safe

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% is doodoo unless you have heavy knuckle

forest token
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Iirc Sophie cleared fresh file with ddash only

forest token
broken echo
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ooop

forest token
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Iirc colossus is the sturdy one

broken echo
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yeah that sounds right

ashen garnet
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Heavy backstab works, but it's defo not the fastest (yet v satisfying somehow)

broken echo
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i was thinking of you 🙏

ashen garnet
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Also shadow presence much better than fiery on low dmg multi-hits: thinking abt dps/combos, not pure damage/hit (not sure but both fiery and shadow mirror perks only apply to base damage ?)

true jewel
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wait does lasting consequences four just straight up mean the only healing i get is is death?

broken echo
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yeah

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thats why stubborn defiance is used

true jewel
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but it says until 32 and stuborn after

sly cove
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if u wanna use lc4 for 16 u can

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i only switched to lc4 for 40 lol

true jewel
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makes sense

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yo guys i have a great joke:
nourished soul lc4

broken echo
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yeah

true jewel
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ok guys i have 30 seconds too beat the furies wish me luck

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yeah i didnt make it XD

ashen garnet
true jewel
ashen garnet
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Underworld Customs, on top of being almost useless on LC4, nourished soul is unpurgeable

true jewel
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still dont remember what that is

ashen garnet
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Wait NS could actually be useful on GY if the healing is not rounded thanthink

lucid scarab
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stubborn roots?

broken echo
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i think SR still works with LC4

lucid scarab
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oh ok then

sly cove
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sr works yeah

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i couldve sworn the inbuilt healing worked too

wispy blade
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live nonpommable reaction

broken echo
sly cove
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from gy and that fist hammer

broken echo
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Oh yeah both of those work

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GY cleared 64 because of that

true jewel
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...i lost against hades becouse a vase decided that its a good time to deal 3 times the normal amount

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...why? why the hell did it deal 150 when it always dealt 50 and no i wasnt aflicted by boiling blood then

left prism
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Is counted as a trap

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Heightened security moment

true jewel
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...no...nooooooooooooooo

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i lost my god run becouse of a 1 heat thing?!

left prism
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Yuuyp

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Is why is not really recommend

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"just don't get hit" until you do and eat an entire revive

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Just for 1 heat

true jewel
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...everywhere else i get why its 1 heat but that is pure pain in hades fight

forest token
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it also normally does 30 damage

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so hightened security makes it deal 5x not 3x lol

true jewel
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but you know what is funny?! both my goddamn death were from the trap

true jewel
forest token
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nah

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no trap does 50 damage

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the styx ones deal 25

true jewel
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dang

shy plinth
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Yep, it's a very punishing 1 heat that will be particularly painful towards the end of runs

true jewel
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but i hate the fact that i lost a godrun becouse of a 1 heat

forest token
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it do be like that

shy plinth
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Yeah, I avoided it in the heat progression chart I linked you for that reason

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It's just a sudden "welp guess I'm dead"

true jewel
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it was all okay for me until hades, how was i supose to know the vase is a "trap"

shy plinth
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You found out the way the rest of us found out

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"welp guess that was a trap"

true jewel
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that was like...20+ minuts to hell

forest token
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lmao yeah finding stuff out the hard way

shy plinth
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I think generally speaking the advice you've gotten is meant to spare you this kind of experience

forest token
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i also wrote about that in my guide

true jewel
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...yep and just to rub the wound in with salt this was the exact sentence i stoped scroling at XD

shy plinth
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Bananas is smart

true jewel
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sigh well lets see what looks better

summer spire
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Got to elysium on 52 zeus

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had 39 seconds left after asphodel, taken all skips so far, used skull earring in asphodel, should I use it again in elysium or acorn? Running RR for damage boost too

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got zeus special, no jolted, clouded judgment, athena call, second wind (all boons purple) for survivability with ~200 max hp so far

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and purple dio dash

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I changed my mirror around, tried everything maxed out with RI off with EM3

true jewel
left prism
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Sounds fine yeah

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Is this 32?

true jewel
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yes

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im just trying to not do the 5 minuts

summer spire
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I just got jolted (white) before champs, only got 42 seconds, wish me luck

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ugh I lost. Should've rerolled for jolted when I was offered purple clouded judgment earlier in the run

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if not for time would've won

true jewel
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...why do i feel like i wont get the 32 heat win for another year? (get common boons while holding a god trinket 11 times in a row)

left prism
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What build are you running

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Most don't care about rarity

bleak grotto
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32 heat shouldn't take a year, but you do kinda need to care about your mirror, your boons, your choice of pacts, etc

true jewel
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I go for a lot of DPS with gloves, so thing like thunder attack/that one Arrow barrage thing and then just stuff to boost that, so like better crits or lighting

left prism
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Yeah rarity doesn't really matter then

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Static discharge at epic is cool but even common with poms work well

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Just take that common zeus atk

true jewel
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I just meant it as a bad sign

left prism
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Oh lmao

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My bad

true jewel
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And i also dont seem to be able to leave the first area anymore

broken echo
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Also I generally try to aim for finishing aspho with 2 minutes left and leaving 3 minutes for heroes on EM3

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but yeah no/low level jolted will def make it rough to do anything

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I like athena into aspho because sure footing is really really nice to have even at common rarity

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you could do RI2 with one level less of AP and 1 less of JS/CP or RI2 with JS1, CP1, and one less HL or HS

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Also idk if you’re on hell mode but that’s a “free” heat you might as well use

summer spire
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yeah I'm using hell mode

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all pacts on max except em3 and no RI

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got to elysium with 1:42 left on clock, got heroic thunder flourish (lv1), purple jolted, blue double strike lv4 (poms keep hitting this one instead)

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lower hp though, not sure if skull earring or acorn, though I got jolted before elysium this time, plus an extra minute rn iirc

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I try acorn this time

broken echo
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Alr

summer spire
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OFF TO STYX

broken echo
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Nice!

summer spire
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19:40 left on clock, didn't take damage vs heroes so acorn was a wash lol

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lesson learned for next run at least (if this one doens't make it)

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fountain didn't screw me over either so I have 1 reroll left for styx

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didn't get patty this run but I still believe

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went from like 130ish to 275 hp in elysium

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tunnels are ares (I only have ares call), miniboss zeus (I alreayd have thunder special jolted and double strike), upgraded heart, coin, pom

shop is all poms, hermes, one dio boon

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I know I'll do heart 2nd, but is zeus worth it at this point over trying to luck out and get pom to hit the special or jolted?

left prism
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I'd do zeus mini cuz its faster tbh

summer spire
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yeah that's what i did

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i got the cast

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fast way to spread jolted so that's good

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pom was a miss but at least i tried

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2:55 for dad LFG

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on HS is it just the vases that deal increased damage or the shockwaves from the skulls too?

sly cove
summer spire
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I lost 😦

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I s2g I had him and got instabursted out of nowhere and there wasn't a vasse in sight

broken echo
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Real

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Vod helps in those cases just to see what you’re taking damage from

summer spire
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yeah, certainly should'ev been recording lol

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lesson learned, I'm done for tonight but next grind sesh I'll record them

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I should've just saved my ares calls to clear the vases

broken echo
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Oof ares call

summer spire
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ap2 baby

true jewel
true jewel
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Mhhh now that i think about it, is it bad that im trying 32 without plushies?

quiet acorn
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they help a lot but its most definitely possible without them

hardy garden
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Theyre mainly timesave

true jewel
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...i just oblitirated sneak in like 10 second with only a lv2 rare thunderstrike

true jewel
true jewel
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alright im back at hades again

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i died becouse of a vase...AGAIN!

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question, does life affirmation go before or after LC4?

left prism
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Life affirmation is for max hp stuff so LC doesn't interact with it

true jewel
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oh...

true jewel
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i wonder would cursed blade be a straight handicap?

quiet acorn
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yes

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9 times out of 9 it is

true jewel
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ok becouse i dont belive they made it so that the heal of this specific one actualy heals even more since its a set amount and not a procent based one

summer spire
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Anyone know what the odds of getting patroclus on a run are? Any way to increase odds?

true jewel
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what?

quiet acorn
ashen garnet
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Thought it was 50/40/30% for story rooms in tart/aspho/ely thanthink

quiet acorn
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i rmember asking this and someone linked me to a message in speedcord putting it around 50%

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i could be remembering incorrectly

true jewel
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well great i lost too hades again

summer spire
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I had a stretch where I got him like 8 times in a row last week when doing 32 heat runs with various aspects

summer spire
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Also, in which regions are miniboss skips possible?

wispy blade
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all of them

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in tart if you see 3 minibosses and dont take any you get no more

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aspho also 3

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ely 2

forest token
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it's more likely you can skip tart and ely than aspho

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ely is pretty skipable, tart a bit less so, but aspho tends to shove it down your throat

quiet acorn
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theres no reason to skip them really

wispy blade
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i had the saddest situation recently involving a miniboss skip

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i got an ix in ely but the next room wasnt shop for some reason

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and then on the doors in that room was shop and midboss but i took the chaos

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and then in the chaos there was 2 miniboss and a fountain

forest token
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it do be like that

sly cove
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why would u skip midboss

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midbosses are so free

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unless ur running unmodded

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but idt barge is that much slower than a regular room

remote oriole
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Best way to kill amored numbskulks in erebus with 40% forced over time?

quiet acorn
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shoot them

remote oriole
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Or should i swap

remote oriole
quiet acorn
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did you unbind everything else or whar

remote oriole
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Unbind?

remote oriole
quiet acorn
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keep it

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earlier you get used to it the better

remote oriole
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Aight

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It’s just numb skulls my problem lmao

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In Erebus gates

quiet acorn
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they were probably superelite or whatever it called

forest token
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Like midshop vs miniboss and then fountain/patty vs miniboss

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Delaying for a better god is risky bc of that but it is something you can do

sly cove
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they meant intentionally

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i assume

forest token
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Oh intentionally shouldn't happen generally lmao

broken echo
remote oriole
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I only take them when next reward isn’t that valuable (gems darkness

broken echo
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Eh even then the Erebus takes longer

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And I don’t think you’d get an in run reward in Erebus if the other rewards are meta game

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Erebus forces gold laurel rewards if it spawns as one

summer spire
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time to grind 52 for a bit this evening

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gonna actually record this time

summer spire
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got to champs first run with 1 minute on the clock but didn't have dps because I got hit with heroic aph special while I had 0 rerolls left in mid-asphodel

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got jolted and double strike too smh

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and epic greatest reflex

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pre-lernie shop, somehow rare cropped static discharge heehee

broken echo
summer spire
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yeah but that was the first time I ever used it so I had to get used to it

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but I think this run rn might actually make the distance, it's crazy good

broken echo
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Oh fair enough

broken echo
summer spire
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just got purple double strike, hnnnnng

broken echo
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Good stuff!

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You got this, focus on playing now

summer spire
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miniboss chamber, is that 2 or 3 then satyr?

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gotta patty reset it

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that's my only question before dad

broken echo
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Uh

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Reset on 3rd chamber

summer spire
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I'm doing it on 2nd just in case

broken echo
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Solid protocol and what I usually do

summer spire
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VICTORY

broken echo
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AYYYY

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nice

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54 now bouldy

summer spire
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if I decide to push it higher I think I might go for 56 / EM4 next

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was worried about vases but I bursted him down so fast + meg that he didn't get to call them in lol

broken echo
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That’s fair

summer spire
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video to come some time later after I cut out the pauses

broken echo
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I considered that but ended up maxing out everything except RI and EM

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56 was EM3 RI2 and I think it was reasonable

summer spire
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yeah that's what I did, except 0 RI

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I feel like the first and last RI are by far the worst 2 mirror removals, no?

broken echo
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Hmm

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First one is marginal on Zeus since you’re really only looking for a few boons total

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And modded gives you the first one

summer spire
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yeah but the extra rerolls from the start are so clutch

broken echo
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You should save rolls for jolted +really bad chaos anyways

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Yeah rolls are nice

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But with AP2, they only help marginally tbh

broken echo
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And I was playing aphro special mostly until 56 so rolls were a nonissue

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Btw if jolted rng ever gets irritating, aphro special with more ER is a perfectly viable alternative

forest token
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Second ri is difficult bc you lose 50 hp and free damage from ff/ps

summer spire
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Yeah I rerolled once for jolted on tart midboss

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rerolled once for billowing in elysium and once for each hermes boon iirc

broken echo
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And you can do hourglass ely if there’s a jerky in the well

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Which is fun

summer spire
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yeah, but by the time I got aphro on that previous run I already had jolted and too many boons to reliably go for poms on special (it was lv1)

broken echo
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Yeye I’m talking about in general

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Losing rolls is rough for jolted acquisition

summer spire
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I also forgot, got a chaos boon for +57% special damage after 2nd chamber on this run too

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I'm guessing that would be additive with something like aphro special?

summer spire
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I did that find double strike is worth taking and not using more rolls for jolted instead

broken echo
sly cove
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everything is additive

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except crit/base

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and movemenr speed

forest token
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Trap damage

sly cove
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i forgor abt that

sly cove
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so not rly a point

broken echo
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They do lol

sly cove
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wait

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sheist

broken echo
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That’s why you can clear hades pacifist ish

forest token
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All traps work against enemies

sly cove
forest token
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They just have too much HP to see a meaningful number

broken echo
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I think his rings also damage

forest token
sly cove
forest token
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I could be misremembering but I've seen him with hangover without me having it and him summoning it

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I could be wrong but I do remember having that realization lmao

sly cove
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so if u stack like 5 whatever the 500% trap item is

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wait

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is it 300%

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can u oneshot dad

forest token
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You can do a ton lmao

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There's a clip somewhere

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Pseudo prob has it

sly cove
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did the 64 gy use it as hesty lite

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or did it spin too

forest token
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60 and 64 guan Yu were both Athena spin

sly cove
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o

forest token
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Charged skewer doesn't work bc of dc2

sly cove
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oh yeah

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ngl why doesnt someone just grind out hesty with tdash start

forest token
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Bc the problem is getting another dash or hyper sprint after that lmao

summer spire
forest token
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And also a good attack

sly cove
summer spire
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Like special +10%

forest token
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Hestia bossing sucks ass

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And ely

summer spire
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(I had that in my run)

sly cove
forest token
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So you actually need a good atk

sly cove
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what abt uh

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62 dc0

forest token
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Yea that's theoretically possible

summer spire
forest token
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No one wants to do that tho lmao

sly cove
forest token
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You just throw it out faster

sly cove
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zagshield?

forest token
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The 10% technical increase works for cshot zag shield spam tho

sly cove
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eris with extreme highroll?

forest token
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More people are grinding that

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Namely like 1 or 2 lmao

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Also delta chamber good

sly cove
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why isnt heat lb pinned here

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btw

forest token
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Idk

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Zag shield dc2 sucks ass tho

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Genuinely horrible

sly cove
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uh

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achilles

forest token
forest token
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Also hades fight takes ages

sly cove
forest token
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Special is useless for breaking shields at a meaningful rate

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Also the 15 less is actually a lot

upper juniper
forest token
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Even tho it doesn't effect the cshot you still actually hit the atk

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It's like a good % less DPS overall someone did the math

upper juniper
#

+15 base damage is enough for breakpoints

forest token
#

Prob pseudo lmao

broken echo
#

Eris got a 59 AP0 btw

sly cove
#

frickin ares beo LOL

broken echo
#

So absolutely can work routed/lucky

sly cove
forest token
#

What

broken echo
#

Everything except approval process

forest token
#

Ap2 is 5 heat lmao

sly cove
#

wait

broken echo
#

64 heat but just get the boons

sly cove
#

ap is 2 into 3

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nvm

broken echo
#

Yeah

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All g

sly cove
#

i thought it was 2 2 fsr

summer spire
sly cove
#

despite still having a legendary

forest token
#

62 has sd

sly cove
#

ap2 is actually so disgusting

forest token
#

59 doesn't lmao

summer spire
forest token
#

Cshot

sly cove
forest token
#

Cshot everything

#

Try and land the initial atk as well

summer spire
#

Ooh so it's basically bow

forest token
#

Yeah

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But better

sly cove
sly cove
summer spire
#

Yeah the shield's block is busted against dad and asterius in particular

forest token
summer spire
#

And flamewheel buttholes

sly cove
#

ap0 vs ap2 is literally mirage gr vs failing to get ps active

broken echo
#

59 is more insane than 62 imo

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Ps sucks anyways

sly cove
broken echo
#

Except for aphro Zeus shield

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Ok and that

summer spire
#

My 52 clear I really felt like I would've cleared em4 had I been running it, I had plenty of time and hp to boot

broken echo
#

That was my 54 lol

sly cove
#

theres 3 good spots for the chill

broken echo
#

But yeah, go for em4 if you feel like it

sly cove
broken echo
#

Idk force dio

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Don’t need chill

forest token
#

Dio has less pstatus spots than dem

summer spire
#

At the same time I feel like I used all my luck on this run

sly cove
#

dio is both worse and harder to get ps up

broken echo
#

Attack spec and dash

forest token
#

Dem has snurst

broken echo
#

Oh fair

sly cove
forest token
#

And beo doesn't use spec

sly cove
forest token
#

And yeah Mistral dash is better than nasty too

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Bc it goes forward

sly cove
#

nasty dash is so garbage

forest token
#

Also dem% for atk is nice

sly cove
#

yeah

broken echo
#

True true

sly cove
#

and chill >>> hangover

broken echo
#

Ehh imma say no to that

sly cove
#

in the context of beo? what

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chill helps u live so much

broken echo
#

Yeah

sly cove
#

hangover does zero damage

broken echo
#

You have a shield

sly cove
#

ok but still

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there are multiple things attacking u

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getting shield up takes half a sec

broken echo
#

Hangover does good accessory damage esp with pstatus

sly cove
#

its doing zero damage

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maybe 2

broken echo
#

5 stacks on bosses and minibosses wdym

sly cove
#

it goes away pretty fast

broken echo
#

But you keep attacking the same enemy to refresh lol

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What’s the highest heat you cleared on beo

sly cove
#

50

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i grinded that so long too ☠️

broken echo
#

Understandable

forest token
#

51 💪

broken echo
sly cove
#

i think my pbs are like 50 beo, 40 rama nem achilles eris hesty dem, 32 most aspects

forest token
sly cove
#

actually

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i prolly did 45 rama

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but idr

broken echo
#

I mean that in the most friendly way possible

forest token
#

Lmao yeah ik

sly cove
#

idg how ppl run zeus

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controlling it is so hard and not being murdered by td is awful

broken echo
summer spire
#

Nasty dash?

forest token
sly cove
forest token
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Or cshot lmao

summer spire
#

Oh yeah it sucks

forest token
#

Cshot Zeus is funny

broken echo
#

Ehh cshot sucks tbh

sly cove
#

nasty dash = drunken, titan toppler = ddash

summer spire
#

Good for charging call but that's it

sly cove
#

is there any other funny names

summer spire
#

Useful on weapons that can't deal with savior either

sly cove
#

meh

broken echo
sly cove
#

blade dash

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im actually such a blade dash simp

summer spire
#

Blade dash is the one I call trash dash

sly cove
#

blade dash goes crazy

summer spire
#

Never found it useful

sly cove
#

that was me at first

#

its actually so good

summer spire
#

But then again I never built around it

sly cove
#

every tick is a tidal dash

#

think about that

forest token
#

Blade dash is tdash at home

#

It's like

broken echo
#

It’s actually not terrible on Zeus since you’re dashing near enemies to trigger ER

forest token
#

Not bad lmao

broken echo
#

I end up selling usually tho lol

forest token
#

Yeah

broken echo
#

Eats poms just like everything else in the game

sly cove
#

like its genuinely better than every one other than tdash ddash and sometimes hdash

forest token
#

Good for soup

sly cove
#

ye

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i think i ran it on luci or dem

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and i was like

#

"wait why is this good"

broken echo
sly cove
#

idk

broken echo
#

Ignore the attack

sly cove
#

i havent played in half a year

broken echo
#

Fair fair

forest token
#

I gave up learning Zeus and decided to do cshot zag shield and I've been blessed

sly cove
#

based

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wait bananas a 60 chiron run happened right

#

i feel like i remember that

broken echo
#

Timothy yeah

broken echo
#

Feels so…uncivilized?

sly cove
#

are the only 60+ non 64 aspects still just zagshield and level 0 zagshield

forest token
#

Cshot gaming

#

It's pretty easy tbh

sly cove
#

oh and eris

broken echo
#

Eris yeah

forest token
#

Dc2 is the hard part

sly cove
forest token
#

Fun times

#

Dc2 zag shield is worse imo

sly cove
#

ngl why does killing mirror force infernal soul

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its so dumb

#

i feel like if it didnt surely beo 64 would be done by now

#

level 0 stygian with chaos highrolls

forest token
#

True but it still kinda a pain in the ass

#

Bc of dc2 lmao

sly cove
#

obviously but like

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its beo

#

someone should mod that

forest token
#

They're too busy playing hades 2 lmao

sly cove
#

im too busy playing hadeez 2

broken echo
#

Infernal isn’t the base cast

sly cove
#

i used level 0 stygian for the longest time

broken echo
#

Oh hm

sly cove
#

also

broken echo
#

Interesting

sly cove
#

the type of rolls u get is affected by mirror

broken echo
#

fair point

summer spire
ashen garnet
summer spire
#

Gonna level up the rest of my keepsakes to lv3 for the achievement- any stupid fun meme builds to try while doing it?

broken echo
#

🤔

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Easiest way is to start tdash hestia and play on autopilot for the whole game and take the keepsakes you want to level starting aspho

quiet acorn
#

arty attack eris

broken echo
#

Spread fire^

quiet acorn
#

no

#

🤢

summer spire
broken echo
#

yeah

#

but mentally also on autopilot

sly cove
#

just clicking

cold kiln
#

is stubborn roots an exception to lc4?

cursive portal
cold kiln
#

DAMMIT

dire steppe
#

what does stubborn roots do again? is that the one that regens hp when you have no DD?

dire steppe
cold kiln
#

i sold my stubborn roots in a 32-heat run due to UC

dire steppe
#

couldn't you have just noticed whether it was working

cold kiln
#

because the other two options were greatest reflex and hyper sprint

cold kiln
dire steppe
#

oh i mean honestly i probably would have sold it anyway then

cold kiln
#

i never died in battle until styx

dire steppe
#

timer?

#

oh

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you did it basically hitless (except centaur hearts) for most of the game?

cold kiln
#

not hitless

dire steppe
#

i'm usually going out of my way to die at the end of every chamber

cold kiln
#

i died out of battle several times

#

intentionally

#

to heal from sd

dire steppe
#

can you do that besides elysium?

cold kiln
#

but stubborn roots doesn't activate when you're out of battle

cold kiln
dire steppe
#

oh yeah ofc

#

i haven't played this game in a while but i dunno how i forgot i did that also

cold kiln
#

but facts are facts :(

dire steppe
#

even though I claim to be best at rama, my highest heat run is with... zag fists

cold kiln
dire steppe
#

no, im not that good, 40

cold kiln
#

oh yeah i forgot to post my 32-heat achilles clear

forest token
#

Stubborn roots is like okay on lc4 sd

#

The real use case would be if you lose SD early in the room

cold kiln
#

and that made me actually survive the timer

#

I had 9 seconds remaining before Styx, but 40 seconds remaining after dad

#

kind of a close call

forest token
#

Yeah no time to actually use the heal lol

cold kiln
forest token
#

lmao it do be like that

broken echo
#

takes too long

sly cove
summer spire
#

doing guan yu 45 rn, somehow got lrod before sisters, already have jolted too lmao

#

and i died smdh

#

I shouldn't have had RR on

summer spire
#

In my efforts to beat 45 with spear I switched to achilles. Accidentally clicked ambrosia delight instead of refreshing nectar, proceeded to get vicious cycle followed by hunting blades in the next 2 rooms.

Then immediately died to Lernie after using my ultimate ability - skill issue.

open gazelle
#

Well this is embarrassing

solemn agate
#

I am inclined to believe I need to use "less boons to choose from" in 50 heat, but it is just SO FRUSTRATING.

verbal vortex
#

where to write about bugs?

clever otter
verbal vortex
marsh current
#

50 heat is crazy

#

What's the max possible?

bleak grotto
#

🔥64🔥

marsh current
#

That's pretty high

#

Maybe I'll get it before Hades II releases though haha, that would be fun

forest token
#

ap2 you can avoid at 50 but you'd have to take em4

#

or ri

forest token
#

40 is what's considered doable by most people if they push for it

marsh current
#

Yeah I figured it's basically impossible haha

broken echo
#

50 is a good big goal to shoot for if you’re interested in heat

forest token
#

it's been done like 5 times or something

broken echo
#

Anything above that the game starts to get less and less fun

forest token
#

by a handful of people

marsh current
#

Do you need to be in hell mode for 64?

forest token
#

yes

#

normal mode goes up to 63

broken echo
#

There’s like atleast 30 64 heat clears

#

No that’s a lie

#

20

#

Mysterra has a bunch

marsh current
#

Can I transition my save to hell mode

forest token
#

oh yeah lmao

marsh current
#

Or do I have to start a new one

forest token
marsh current
#

Rip

forest token
#

most 64 clears were done with the speedrunning modpack, which can toggle that

marsh current
#

Makes sense

#

I'll worry about that later if I ever get that good haha

summer spire
#

for whenver I decide to start grinding 56 attempts, any recommendations on how to practice em4?

#

I'm thinking just attempt some runs with FO2, EM4, etc on, but stuff like HL off to just get the feel of it, but not sure if there's better advice on that

bleak grotto
#

Save state. Back up a save file before the fight and keep on reloading it

sly cove
#

which i guess is functionally equivalent but they also did that before angelic did 64 iirc

surreal heron
sly cove
#

i remember they ran all specials w fake 64

surreal heron
#

yep, Mysterra did like most specials at 64 during zeus week (during feb)

#

As I understand it if you count 63 heat as max heat (modded) then Mysterra predates Angel (although 索方索 also predates both I think, and Baj did it routed first)

#

not that the order matters much, they're both good runners.

surreal heron
sly cove
#

so it was essentially 64

sly cove
#

i swear that was a huge thing

forest token
#

im pretty sure bai was first

#

angel did it a bit afterwards

#

it was a huge thing bc angel was just more well known in the community lmao

forest token
#

bai is the first one, angel was months afterwards

sly cove
#

oh

#

damn

#

wait

#

wasnt it first boon epic seeded

forest token
#

might've been a different 64 tbh lmao

#

but they both just use a mod for that later anyways

sly cove
#

fair enough

forest token
#

there's this one lmao

sly cove
#

true

surreal heron
#

Also Baj (different to Bai) predates all of us by years with his seeded run XD

cursive portal
#

I should have been zagcry

#

this genuinely gloomed over me for a year until I did the modded and unmodded runs finally

#

from august 2022-july august 2023

#

I seriously had 0 motivation in this period

#

I retired like 3 times LOL

surreal heron
cursive portal
#

it was

summer spire
#

45 eris / 45 bow attempts did not go well for me over the weekend

#

I was trying Rama, got to phase 2 dad once but got hit for like 150 damage in under 1 second and died (had personal liability on).

Might try hera instead but not sure

gray karma
#

is there a speedrunning server for hades btw?

wispy blade
lyric cargo
cold kiln
#

I don't understand why Hera is the "Queen of Speed"

#

it's supposed to instaphase bosses, and yet, well, it simply doesn't? what am i missing

left prism
#

For heat it falls off more

#

Cp/bp makes it annoying

#

Boss you either have quick reload or learn wall bug

#

Or insane global dmg

cold kiln
#

i sadly did not have quick reload in my 32 heat run

#

but yeah qreload is quite nice for hera, i agree

#

especially qreload + exit wounds

left prism
#

Eh, ig

cold kiln
left prism
#

Shoot to enemy at an angle between a wall and the cast won't lodge

cold kiln
#

what the absolute ****?

#

nice tech

jaunty falcon
#

Not every hera build will instaphase

#

But it’s relatively one of the easier aspects to do so

#

It’s probably a better idea at 32+ heat to go for more safety so you likely won’t be close to instaphasing

summer spire
#

Can someone explain that angle thing to me like I'm 5

#

Also I've never understood why do people pick infernal over stygian with hera/beo? I get that it's harder to get stygian going at first but the ceiling feels soooo much higher

wispy blade
#

the ceiling is exactly the same except ur missing 2 stones

forest token
forest token
#

also the 3 sec regen timer is slower than picking them up again

#

unless you launched your casts into the void

#

sure you can get the reload boon from hermes, but then you'd rather have +dashes or hyper sprint/rd from hermes

#

the reason why stygian works with dio beo is bc dio's cast lasts for 5 sec on the ground, so you need the regen in the long run and find more casts

#

for better damage at least

#

if you dont get any more casts, then infernal is gonna be better but also the run is gonna suck lmao

dapper schooner
#

yeah dio cast is the only reason to take stygian on beo, since the casts dont lodge themselves youre simply nerfing your damage output by 2 casts if you choose stygian on pos/aphro

broken echo
#

i run stygian on hestia, as do many others, for this reason

summer spire
forest token
#

I mean yeah that kinda sucks but that happens much less often than one bursting everyone throughout the run

#

And it's still the much more consistent option overall

sly cove
summer spire
#

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'll try to do 45 with hera instead then

#

I already did it with 43 so this shouldn't be too bad

#

With hera should I run ap1, ap2, or ap0 if I go aph cast and just pom the crap out of it? Not sure how preferable it is to deal with cp1/2 as well, or if ap isn't wanted in favor of mirage shot/hermes/etc

broken echo
#

Not really trying to get big burst stuff

summer spire
#

Flurry cast I take it?

left prism
#

Can't get flurry on hera

summer spire
#

Did you mean Rama?

left prism
#

Did you mean flurry shot

summer spire
#

Yeah flurry shot

left prism
#

Then yeah I'd take it

broken echo
#

Yeah flurry still

summer spire
#

Flurry cast, flurry jab, flurry shot, any others lol

broken echo
#

Flurry slash

left prism
#

Maybe for high heat there's more consideration for twin/triple?

broken echo
#

Yeah I think twin first

remote oriole
#

Twin is good

broken echo
#

Because you want attack damage with such a low chance of QR

#

second hammer is whatever I think

#

You could also reset for 1-2 stones in tart and play dio flare

#

AP1 and more CP

remote oriole
#

Triple shot can be great with something like Tempest strike

broken echo
#

And JS

summer spire
#

Yeah true at least with twin I still get great damage even when all the stones are lodged

remote oriole
#

What cast are u using btw

broken echo
remote oriole
#

SORRY

summer spire
#

Also for hera, do all lodged casts immediately deal damage at the same time as the initial shot or is there a delay between?

remote oriole
#

IM thinking of charged volley

remote oriole
#

with the triple shot

left prism
#

Arrow hits first then the casts iirc

summer spire
left prism
#

Unless you undershoot

forest token
#

i think there's like a slight delay btwn casts but the delay is so short it's basically instantaneous?

remote oriole
broken echo
forest token
#

sword is flurry slash lmao

#

spear is flurry jab

remote oriole
broken echo
#

Oh

#

Tempest strike is Poseidon

#

Not arty

remote oriole
#

No I meant something else

broken echo
#

Am I tripping

remote oriole
#

Like charged volley

#

with tempest flourish

broken echo
#

Ohh

remote oriole
#

Accidentally said that with triple shot

broken echo
#

Yeah that’s decent for room clear

summer spire
#

So there's flurry:

Shot
Jab
Slash
Cast

Any others?

remote oriole
#

I don’t think so

forest token
#

rail has one doesnt it

#

flurry something i can't remember the name

left prism
#

Flurry fire?

forest token
#

yeah

#

i thought it was that but it didnt seem right lmao

wispy blade
#

what? rail only has 1 hammer

broken echo
#

Ricochet yeah

wispy blade
#

what is ricochet

#

do u mean spread fire

broken echo
#

Nah I mean the hammer that doubles dps

wispy blade
#

40=10*4

#

spread fire quadrupler

broken echo
#

I wish spread fire hestia made the empowered shot do 600 damage in a small area

summer spire
#

Which one is spread fire again?

bleak grotto
#

Turns the rail's attack into a jackhammer

summer spire
#

I think I used that one for my zag rail 32 run

#

Like a shotgun right?

sly cove
#

spread fire is sheist

summer spire
#

Anyone got any recommendations for a free video editing software to just cut out the pauses / alt tabs from my run?

summer spire
#

Whelp, had a 4x stone (infernal) run, had crush shot purple level 5, mirage shot, lost in elysium becuase I suck at dealing with the shield dudes

sly cove
#

i use davinci resolve but thats probably od

broken echo
#

heads up that alt tab isn't leaderboard legal

forest token
#

alt tab is legal as long as the game screen is still showing

summer spire
summer spire
#

I think I have my game set to borderless windowed, not sure why it always minimizes when I alt tab to my other monitor

broken echo
summer spire
#

Yeah for some reason the AMD recording software makes me enable desktop recording to record as well

#

Guess I gotta use osmething like streamlabs instead

cold kiln
#

oh btw, Bananas
why Dio/Zeus Special on Zag Shield?

#

or are the special boons more for Chaos Shield or smth?

#

oh i reread your guide

#

and i'm bad

#

sorry

forest token
#

Lmao all good

summer spire
#

Those two specials are still v good even if you do get those hammers

#

Chaos on special with explosive return is particularly good

summer spire
#

45 on hera has not been going well for me. Still haven't been able to make it past heroes even after like 5+ hours of attempts

#

At least with Rama I made it to dad twice and skill issued one of those two losses

gaunt fiber
#

No shame in making a practice save file for this boss if you feel like getting to elysium in the first place is exhausting

#

I even practiced Lernie back in the day :')

broken echo
#

Can confirm. Savestates are Goated

near turtle
#

?stick This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

#

?stickspeed 2min

summer spire
gaunt fiber
#

Do what's fun for you, grinding high can genuinely be difficult mentally

summer spire
#

Yeah it usually is except the time I got pb 52 (from 50) didn't take that long

#

All the rest of my pb grinds were brutal

broken echo
#

yeah the grind gets really rough ngl

#

it is healthy and normal to take breaks

slow swan
#

For my first 32 Heat Run (not going to be for a while tbh) I’m expecting I’ll try the Zeus Shield. I would imagine Zeus on the Special is going to be my best bet for DPS?

bleak grotto
slow swan
#

Sweet, thanks :> I’d love if I could potentially get Merciful End to work, but I’ll go with what’s going to get me an easier clear

bleak grotto
#

Merciful End works well with Zeus. You want to reverse what goes where: instead of Athena Special and Ares Attack, you'd want Athena Attack and Ares Special

slow swan
#

And just Pom the Special right? Plus try to get Impending Doom

bleak grotto
#

If you can get the shield hovering over any enemy that stands still, they're dooooooomed ahahahahahahahaha

#

Yes, boost Doom

slow swan
#

I’ve gotten that set up in lower heats and it’s easily my favorite for Zeus Shield

#

But if it doesn’t work out for the first couple runs I’ll switch it over to Zeus boons

#

For Hammers I imagine I want Explosive Return, the one that lets dash hit twice, and maybe sudden rush?

broken echo
broken echo
#

If you get Zeus on spec ER is really nice

marsh current
#

Any tips for tight deadline 3?

#

Td 1 and 2 are pretty free, but 5 minutes per zone starts to, in fact, get pretty tight haha

broken echo
honest kernel
#

Has anyone beaten max heat yet?

forest token
#

yes

honest kernel
#

Damn

forest token
#

has been done twice

#

and multiple times with the speedrunning modpack

honest kernel
#

Wait im stupid i thought this was for Hades II 😭 so sorry

forest token
#

idk someone prob did too lmao

honest kernel
#

There isnt a high heat chat for H2

#

Im close

forest token
#

there's one in the speedrunning discord

honest kernel
#

Ohh

#

thank you!

forest token
#

they're more likely to have done max heat stuff

#

or heat stuff in general

inner patrol
honest kernel
honest kernel
marsh current
#

What's the max in 2?

#

Out of curiosity

jaunty falcon
#

This channel (and category) is for discussing the first Hades game. Please go to #h2-discussion to talk about Hades II.

marsh current
#

Yeah I just figured it was kind of relevant since they were discussing it up there

#

I apologize though

near turtle
#

Hi all, just a quick note that I am updating the channel names here & in the Hades II category, you'll start to see those rolling out shortly. There are no other changes beyond the channel names being updated. 👍

shy plinth
#

Thank u Caitlin big fan btw

narrow terrace
#

wait who's Caitlin

#

oh is she a dev

shy plinth
#

She does Studio and Community support at SGG and has been doing so for a long time!

#

She's an inspiration of mine tbh, I didn't really understand how much work being a CM was until I started doing the job myself and holy crap it's a lot

gaunt fiber
#

Wydm just tweet from time to time Mr Hat

pine dirge
#

Hi!
I’m trying to finally beat 32 heat on Demeter Fists. Any advices? I usually go for Zeus attack and then just hope for the best lol.

hardy garden
pine dirge