h1-for-new-players

[viscid notch]

You can increase that through Low Tolerance to 8 stacks

[leaden whale]

idk what low tolerance is and I don't wsanna get spoliers

same for doom?

can it stack?

[viscid notch]

No, Doom does not stack

[leaden whale]

yeah, it would have been broken

[viscid notch]

You can increase the damage of Doom before it goes off if you have Dire Misfortune

[leaden whale]

idk what that is either

[viscid notch]

It's an Ares T2 boon

[leaden whale]

t2 meaning?

[viscid notch]

Low Tolerance is Aphrodite Dionysus Duo Boon, the one I mentioned earlier

[viscid notch]

Requires a boon to open up basically

[leaden whale]

oh

[viscid notch]

You need a Source of Doom for Ares to offer you Dire Misfortune

If you dont have that you cant get it

[leaden whale]

I barely have 15 attempts I don't know much

is there a way to guarantee the hammer?

in the first room

[viscid notch]

Yea it's ok you're still early into it, you get to know more stuff as you play more

[leaden whale]

like with the gods

[viscid notch]

Nope

[leaden whale]

😦

[viscid notch]

You can't guarantee it

But you will see one eventually, if you're using Dark Foresight on your mirror there is a very good chance you'll see one early in Tartarus

But you might not have that yet because it's a bit of keys and darkness

[leaden whale]

is the deflect boon able to deflect melee attacks?

[waxen cave]

how many floors are there

[waxen cave]

I don't think so

[viscid notch]

Yes, there are some that you cant deflect tho

[viscid notch]

4 biomes

With a boss at the end of each

[leaden whale]

hmmm, so if I get the deflect on attacks from athena and I just stand and spam, iwll I be invulnerable?

[viscid notch]

No

[leaden whale]

considering I don't get bakcstabbed

[waxen cave]

I've gottem to the Elysium

[viscid notch]

Well some enemies might be hitting faster than you can deflect in which case you could get hit and possibly staggered

[leaden whale]

oh

[viscid notch]

And sometimes it's slow and not optimal to stand in one spot and keep attacking

[leaden whale]

yeah

[viscid notch]

You wanna use your dash more often, dash strikes are strong on almost every weapon

Having Deflect on Dash is stronger

[leaden whale]

well, right now I just spam dash and attack, I don't feel very skillful

[waxen cave]

I use a lot of specials

[leaden whale]

it works in tartarus and asphodel, but in the elyssium I lose more than 50 hp per room

anyway, what else can I do with darkness?

I have like 600 and I don't want to spend it on the mirror

[waxen cave]

the mirror's upgrades are kinda meh

[viscid notch]

You need the mirror to progress

Through death defiances, more gold laurels, boon rarity etc

[jaunty elk]

so how do i git gud 😄 no but seriously hades second phase got me off guard 😦

[viscid notch]

Spoiler the final boss

That’s the first step to get gud
The second step is practice

[jaunty elk]

[viscid notch]

The boss is hard but once you’re familiar enough with the moves and patterns they become very predictable, practice is really the only thing you can do to build up that experience, you can also watch some vods, rethink your builds etc

[wicked pagoda]

does deadly strike only affect attack crits? or does it count special crits too

[viscid notch]

Attack only

[jaunty elk]

good tips indeed but i think its hard to practice if i hardly can even get past Theseus and Asterius. but if i dont get explosive shot on my run im dead in game and inside.

[viscid notch]

If you want Special crits you’d need Deadly Flourish instead

Your attack and Special use different core boons so ye

[viscid notch]

Well then maybe that’s the boss you should get used to first

[jaunty elk]

exactly

or in other words i should git gud

[viscid notch]

Theseus and Asterius are a bit of a jump compared to other bosses because you have more stuff to be mindful of and pay attention to, you usually focus on the Bull first, Theseus will be throwing spears at you, you can notice that through sound cues or the crosshair on Zag whenever he is about to throw, if you get too close to Theseus he will spin, this one can be a bit tricky to dodge, best is to stay away unless you’re confident dashing through it, Minotaur hits have big radius so be careful where you position yourself, this one is gonna come from experience for sure, he can also charge at you when you get some distance, make sure you’re next to a wall or pillar at that point, you can also block it if you’re using shield or just use your Aid for iframes, also learning what goes well with each weapon helps because if your damage isn’t too great the fight will take longer, the longer the fight the bigger the window to get hit

[wicked pagoda]

yeah i had both, special was epic rarity but went for deadly cuz i wanna get AAA

[viscid notch]

Yes if you have Deadly Flourish you can crit with your Special

[leaden whale]

I am now about the enter Elysium and I would like some advice

usually I lose lots of hp to normal enemies

so when I get to minos i'm almost dead

how can I have cleaner rooms?

[viscid notch]

You have to be careful, some things to note, Brightswords can NOT be staggered no matter what, Strongbows are very dangerous especially Armored ones, use obstacles to hide from arrows (you can see a crosshair on Zag when they’re about to shoot), and attack when you have a good opening, the Spearmen can be tough, they have very good range so you can never be too safe around them they can snipe you if you’re not paying attention, damage can add up over multiple hits, for charging Chariots you can dash through an obstacle or dash through them (so you’re behind them), so they lose you basically, this slows them down a bit so you can attack them, rinse and repeat if they charge again, for flamewheels there are very niche scenarios where you wanna be actively attacking them, the best thing to do is to dash back and fourth through a gap or obstacle, they bump into the edges and explode without you taking unnecessary damage

Experience and practice will make you judge those rooms better, so you handle multiple of the things I mentioned all at once

[leaden whale]

thanks

[viscid notch]

Oh I also forgot Greatshields, well just know that they can spin and have projectiles too lol, butterfly balls are pretty straight forward, just kill them before they overwhelm you

[quick drum]

greatshields bad

elysium bad

[restive portal]

While getting used to Elysium I found things like Flood Shot with Rupture very useful. It pushes enemies away, and most enemies will then try to reposition which lets them take damage from the rupture effect.

[leaden whale]

what to choose for my 2nd upgrade? (I have the 9x dmg to armor)

[restive portal]

You can buy yourself space and thus time with this to focus on single enemies while also doing damage passively.

[viscid notch]

What are your offers

[restive portal]

That helps a lot with Elysium but less so after

Hammer choice depends a lot on your style and what's causing you to take damage

[leaden whale]

I already took the special upgrade for the prophecies, even if it was the weakest

[gray haven]

You actually need to deflect an attack before it hits you. If you get hit at the same time you would deflect the attack, you'll just get hit and the attack won't be deflected. So you still gotta be careful and avoid attacks.

Makes things easier, though.

[leaden whale]

crap, I died again to normal enemies

much harder than all the previous bosses

the guys with swords that transfrom into eyes

they get me

[gray haven]

That'll happen. Thankfully in Hades, the mistakes you made are often very obvious, so it's easy to learn from that and adjust your tactics.

[leaden whale]

is this upgrade good?

Your Dash-Strike deals +60% damage; added to Attack sequence.

for twin fists

[restive portal]

I find it awkward from a timing perspective

Since you dash often and don't get to the final part of the combo as often as you'd like

[brisk holly]

i dont really wanna bother brute forcing attempts since it takes so long to get there so uh i decided i might ask in here
how do i do (i dont know if i should spoiler this or not but doing so just in case) ||hades||? hes been destroying me with that second phase and i usually have to use death defiance in the first one and last time i entered with only one due to... unfortunate circumstances definitely not me just sucking and dying to hydra then to a goddamn rat
also which boons should i go for other than athena of course
this seems like the most fit channel to ask this since i havent beaten the game yet but i did stack up a bunch of playtime just getting to where i am

[grave storm]

some tips here

also yeah dying less to prev bosses would help quite a bit
Tiny vermin is pain, don't worry

[gray haven]

You should spoiler-tag the final boss and anything and everything about the fight, yeah.

[leaden whale]

I just realized

everything is a joke compared to the last boss

he's so op

[valid shoal]

The damage is no where near as high anywhere else

[sonic anchor]

hi

[grave storm]

hi

[sonic anchor]

im new to hades

its super hard

you got any tips???

[valid shoal]

What has been giving you trouble?

[sonic anchor]

the second part

meg is ez

but like the 2nd part is hard as flip man

[alpine ridge]

what do you find hard about it?

[dry mantle]

The 2nd biome? Lots of enemy projectiles ya... and lava

https://tenor.com/view/wizard101-wizard101europe-gameforge-gaming-video-games-gif-18882588

[alpine ridge]

For projectiles, remember that your attack and special can destroy them mid flight, also Athena dash will help a lot in keeping you safe

For lava, don't stand in it

for real tho for lava, learning to not overdash into lava is pretty important and getting used to all the maps will help as well

[dry mantle]

dont stand still, dont dash into traps... and dont feel bad about all of Zag's deaths in Asphodel

because the game only becomes MORE difficult after the 2nd part

so have fun with it 🙂

[fiery siren]

Ive got a question about one of the keepsakes

does the shattered shackle apply to weapons that don't have a boon, even if other ones do?

for ex. if I had a boon on my special, would my attack not get the +50%

[alpine ridge]

oh no, your attack would still get the shackle bonus

[fiery siren]

Thank you

[wicked pagoda]

is it worth escaping with all the weapons or

unlock wise

[dry mantle]

you've unlocked all 6 weapons @wicked pagoda ?

[wicked pagoda]

yeah

i escaped my first time with sword, so i was thinking of trying again with a different weapon

shield looks stupid funny

[dry mantle]

i say you should absolutely try to complete a run with each weapon

you may be surprised with what your favorite weapon ends up being once you've really fleshed em all out

[wicked pagoda]

yeah i wasted most of my runs trying to understand fists too but in the end sword imho is the easiest one to pick up the game with

[wheat storm]

my first successful escape was with fists

i was a shield player

but then the fists were the ones that gave bonus darkness

so i took them

and it was my first successful run

i beat it without using a death defied

and then i completed a fist run where ||i upped the heat||

[latent yew]

Ello on my 22nd escape attempt

Does anyone have a build? Thats basically braindead? I dont have the ares keepsake yet sadly

I have access to ||titan blood weapons if thats kinda spoiler||

[tiny hearth]

I am around my 18th escape, just got to ||hades, but I could only get to his halfway health, and then at around 3/4ths of his health, he killed me.|| Any tips or best weapons?

[mint lichen]

||The first time I killed Hades was with the bow. The second time was with the spear with Exploding Launcher. I find staying at range and focusing on not getting hit to be the easiest method||

[rich osprey]

also abusing shield invulnerability

[valid shoal]

Why doesn’t Hermes have any ||duo boons|| and when can I use my ||ambrosia I’ve been dumping all my nectar to skelly and dusa||

[faint harness]

Hermes is sort of an odd god, he doesn't count towards your god pool nor does he have any duos

ambrosia can be used after completing a characters favour

if you don't know how to do a characters favour you could always search it up

[valid shoal]

I think googling stuff is a bit lame but I hate having 13 of something I can’t use

Also for the ||25 fish achievement is talking to Poseidon just getting one of his boons||

[faint harness]

yeah, just walk up and interact with him

[viscid notch]

Ambrosia comes in later down the line because you have to do quests sort of, for each of the npcs, it just takes a bit of time

[valid shoal]

What is the point of ||dark foresight||

[viscid notch]

Dark Foresight makes you get more Gold Laurel doors, so it just makes your builds better & improves your survivability

[valid shoal]

What’s the difference between a non gold door?

I’ve noticed some doors shine and some have a skull symbol but idk why they mean

[viscid notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

[valid shoal]

So now that I have the full mirror ||keys act as re rolls||? Or will?

[viscid notch]

Not your current amount of keys, but keys that you pick up in a run with give you +1 reroll, it's a contractor upgrade, if you dont have that then you wont get anything when you pick up keys

[valid shoal]

So keys have no purpose currently other than the broker in the lounge?

[polar finch]

pretty much

[restive portal]

Doesn't count for keys you buy in a shop, only the room rewards

[sturdy sigil]

This is a stupid question but
I can't get out of the hades starting room
where's the exit

[pseudo narwhal]

bottom right

you mean out of the courtyard where the weapons are?

its the door/doorway/archway opposite where the sword/keepsakes are, near the bottom

[sturdy sigil]

tysm i was stuck for like 30 mins

[pseudo narwhal]

lol np

have fun with the game!

[quaint dove]

im new to the game any tips?

[gray haven]

My Newbie Build Guide is pinned in this channel. That might be a good starting point.

[quaint dove]

ok i just joined the server so heh

i couldnt find it

sorry

[gray haven]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883

Nothing to apologize for.

Welcome~!

If you like, you can set your server roles in #bot-commands.

Most important general advice I have is that you are invincible whenever you dash... but you lose that invincibility if you do an Attack or anything during the dash.

So make sure you use empty dashes to avoid attacks.

It's nowhere explained in the game, unfortunately, but helps a lot when you know about it.

And aside from that just do runs, upgrade your mirror, talk to everyone, gift Nectar to everyone you meet... that kind of stuff. The start is pretty rough because you have no mirror talents yet. Things get a lot easier when you've unlocked and upgraded some things.

[quaint dove]

tysm

[upper mango]

been doing better after winning the first time

won five more in a row, even using a bit of the ||pact of punishment||

my most recent run used the gun type weapon, I did win but the run was a pain

it felt like I was doing no damage with the primary fire and I mainly did my damage through the explosive special

I want to like this weapon, am I playing it wrong?

[gray haven]

What Attack boon did you have?

[upper mango]

I had one from aphrodite

[gray haven]

Hmmm yeah, her Special and Dash work a lot better on base rail unless you happen to get Spread Fire. You'll want Lightning Strike ideally, but Drunken Strike can also be fun and quite decent.

Lightning Strike start and then look for Static Discharge also from him and put a couple poms on Static Discharge.

And probably Tidal Dash with a lot of poms on that + maybe some good tier 2 boons from Poseidon like Breaking Wave and Razor Shoals.

Rail attack base damage is super low, so % bonus on Attack barely does anything. But Lightning Strike and Drunken Strike always do the same regardless of your Attack base damage... so they'll do a lot more damage.

You can also put 1-2 poms on Lightning Strike, especially if it's only common, but it's not so important. The main way to scale your damage when you have Lightning Strike is to get Static Discharge and put poms on that. Static Discharge pom scaling is really, really good.

[upper mango]

Hmm, I rarely ever used Zeus and Dionysus boons in my runs.

[gray haven]

Seems like a good time to explore what you can do with them.

[upper mango]

I have used some Zeus on the bow special, but I mainly only took them because “oh, this exists”

[gray haven]

If you want to do Drunken Strike instead, then the main ways to scale your damage are looots of poms on your Attack, Passion Dash from Lady Aphrodite to unlock Low Tolerance (their Duo Boon), and getting Trippy Shot from Lord Dionysus so that you can get his legendary. Bad Influence and Numbing Sensation are also great pick-ups in that build, but it's not so terribly important.

Also one important thing for Hangover builds is that different sources of Hangover will overwrite one another... so if you have Drunken Strike, you don't want his Special nor his Dash nor his Call because those also apply Hangover.

[upper mango]

Huh… interesting

[gray haven]

And Hangover is capped at 5 stacks anyway (8 stacks with Low Tolerance), so there's zero point in having multiple Hangover sources. Better to put something else in those slots.

[upper mango]

I believe I had a hangover run once, but I died quickly before I could see much

[gray haven]

But like I said, Trippy Shot, which is his Cast, unlocks his legendary boon if you have Drunken Strike already. So that will help a lot.

[upper mango]

I had trippy shot once, but I have the tendency to forget cast exists.

[gray haven]

And his Cast also has probably the best pom scaling in the game, so it's always worth it to put a couple poms on there.

[upper mango]

I mainly just went with doom on... anything

[gray haven]

Yeah, that's just normal if you're newer to the game. But I still suggest trying to get his Cast in a Drunken Strike build and try to be more conscious about using it... that's just how you learn to do it.

And a lot of the time when you start practicing that, only after the fact you think "oh yeah, I should have used my Cast here," but... that's how it starts, and eventually you think of using it in time, and then more often, and before you know i, it's just natural.

[upper mango]

I used aphrodite's cast more than anyone else, then forget it exists only to remember I could have made a fight much easier if I used it.

[gray haven]

I've seen a lot of new players on streams who were like.. "I always forget to use my Cast," and then they don't pick up Casts because of it, and if they do pick up one, they never upgrade it so it does no damage.

And if you do your build like that, there's like zero incentive to actually use your Cast, so you never have a reason to practice using it and it just becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy lol.

[upper mango]

I have been slowly breaking my no-cast habit, recently started using Demeter's cast

[gray haven]

Come to think of it, you could try doing a few (semi-)pure Cast builds. I wrote a general Cast Build Guide that can help with that. So pretty much once your build comes together, there's no reason for you to use anything else but your Cast.

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[upper mango]

I used to have a habit of not even taking/using calls, but realized how much it could help.

[gray haven]

Once you do a few runs like that, you'll feel weird not using your Casts in other builds because you know how good they can be and it's just natural to use your Casts in different situations.

[upper mango]

I will consider applying that when I play the game again.

Need to learn the actual names for boons, currently having trouble when people use the actual names.

[gray haven]

Oh yeah, I used to use the wiki a lot for reference when I started discussing builds in this server.

Also don't feel afraid to ask if you don't know. I don't mind clarifying.

[upper mango]

I like ||Demeter's|| and Aphrodite's casts, though my utilization of ||Demeter's cast|| is inconsistent.

[gray haven]

||Lady Demeter|| is spoilers in this channel btw.

[upper mango]

Oh, apologies.

[gray haven]

If you start Crush Shot, you want mainly just lots of poms on that and also ||Snow Burst from Lady Demeter||.

Blown Kiss is also great.

Maybe Zeus' Aid if you see him to unlock Smoldering Air (their Duo Boon).

And of course, you want all the +1 bloodstones and +% Cast damage that you can get from Master Chaos and in Wells of Charon.

Infernal Soul from the mirror.

[upper mango]

I have trouble using Zeus call, it does not have impervious or single shot damage.

Aphrodite's and Poseidon's calls are easy

[gray haven]

All Calls give invincibility on activation.

For quite a long window, too.

[upper mango]

Oh really? Maybe I misunderstood Zeus's call.

[gray haven]

Try using lesser Calls instead of waiting for a Greater Call. It works way better that way.

[alpine ridge]

and Zeus's call is a lot of damage just by itself

[upper mango]

I forget to use calls on small encounters and I never use smaller calls.

[gray haven]

And just mash it when it's up pretty much. Don't overthink it. But especially in the final boss fight, you can hold onto your lesser Calls to use them for i-frames just like you'd use your Dash.

[alpine ridge]

smaller calls are far far better than greater calls most of the time

[upper mango]

I am learning how to utilize the invincibility on dash more, Theseus fight no longer takes ages for me.

[gray haven]

If you can get Smoldering Air, that will definitely solve that. Because it caps your god gauge at 25% but also charges that in only 5 seconds. So you can use a lesser Call every 5 seconds.

Well, not exactly because it doesn't charge while your Call is still active. But you can also still build god gauge normally by dealing or taking damage.

So it can actually charge even faster than that.

Easily a contender for best Duo Boon in the game.

[upper mango]

I only encountered two types of duo boons I think?

One was Aphrodite's and Ares's doom continuously strikes weak

[gray haven]

Curse of Longing.

[upper mango]

The other was ||Demeter's cast will target foes more effectively.||

Forgot which other olympian I needed for that duo

[waxen wadi]

Hello, kinda new to this discord. Don't know if this is the right channel but i was wondering about chaos. Why some common gives lesser rewards that rare?

[gray haven]

You'll unlock ways to get a lot more boons in a run and also for better Duo/Legendary chances when you pick up a boon. So you'll have way better chances of finding Duo Boons.

[waxen wadi]

I meant better rewards sorry

[upper mango]

My least used Olympian is by far Artemis, the chance for critical hits thing was never something I was fond of for games in general.

[gray haven]

They're just different boons. Lunge (Dash-Strike damage) starts off with higher numbers than Strike (Attack damage) for example. Flourish (Special damage) also has bigger numbers than Strike.

[gray haven]

Hunter's Mark helps a lot with that and has great pom scaling. Your crits can snowball once you get one.

Since Hunter's Mark + the base crit change from your ability can put your crit chance on a marked target at 100% even.

Which means you're guaranteed to mark another target and then you get another crit, so you mark another target...

For examle against Theseus and Asterius, with some builds as soon as you get your first crit, you can keep switching targets after every hit, and every hit will be a crit.

[waxen wadi]

Oh yeah about hunters mark. Does it go away after one hit?

[gray haven]

It goes away after one crit.

[waxen wadi]

I see thanks

[gray haven]

You'd think Pressure Points at +2~4% global crit chance barely does anything, but it becomes actually pretty strong as soon as you get Hunter's Mark, especially with poms on Hunter's Mark.

Not "your build is now broken" strong, but pretty good.

And stronger the stronger your build already is.

[upper mango]

I used the bow a lot but have trouble utilizing other weapons.

Especially the spear and the fists.

For the spear I forget the about holding the attack because staying still for half a second scares me.

And I am not sure what use the special has.

[fervent moss]

special is useful for distant foes

[gray haven]

Honestly for base spear, pretty much zero use unless you happen to get Exploding Launcher.

Malphon Guide: #h1-builds-and-combat message

Well, it's for one Malphon aspect in particular, but it can work for all of them.

Ah right. Malphon = Twin Fists.

[upper mango]

I won with my first twin fists run surprisingly, carried by the hammer upgrade that gave it range.

Then accidentally got rid of that upgrade right before the end boss...

The run was generally a pain though, struggled using the weapon in general.

[gray haven]

Well.

It's not an accident if you gamble it away at the Anvil.

[upper mango]

I thought the anvil would give me a choice on what I remove.

[gray haven]

Oh.

That's also not an accident, that's Amir's will.

Thanks, Amir.

[upper mango]

Who?

[gray haven]

Amir.

Amir Rao, co-founder of Supergiant Games.

[upper mango]

Ah, I see.

In general I should be getting more comfortable with all the weapons, the bow is sort of my crutch.

[gray haven]

No such thing as a crutch. If it's working well for you, why not make the most of it? Sounds like good strategy to me.

[upper mango]

It works best for me, I like it, I just want to give everything a fair chance.

[gray haven]

There's also a prophecy for getting a clear with each weapon, so it's certainly worth it.

[upper mango]

I need a clear with sword and spear.

[gray haven]

Which aspects have you unlocked for each?

[upper mango]

Uhh... what is an aspect?

[gray haven]

You have unlocked all the weapons already, right?

[upper mango]

Indeed.

[gray haven]

In the courtyard when you select your weapon, press the same button again.

[upper mango]

I just earlier unlocked the rail and did a single run, then stopped playing.

[gray haven]

Ohhh.

Yeah, that'll be unlocked now then once you return to the courtyard.

You'll see it when you get there.

[leaden whale]

does anybody here have some free time (around 20 mins)?

I like the spear and I wanted to get better with it, but somehow I die too much to the last boss. Can somebody explain me what I am doing wrong?

[gray haven]

That's a collection of messages I've written in the server about fighting the final boss. Hopefully that'll help: https://docs.google.com/document/d/137Vqe-8fvStMJ_HMlBKWwq3SVdoOED0lOpBBSmgGwtQ/edit?usp=sharing

[leaden whale]

oh

[gray haven]

But tips aside, just do more runs and get in more practice.

[leaden whale]

I didn't mean the last boss, but the elysium boss

sorry

[gray haven]

The Evergreen Acorn from Eurydice will help a whole lot in the fight if you have it.

Ah.

Well, Acorn will also help with that one.

[leaden whale]

yeah, but I would like to take less hits because of my skill, not because of a keepsake

[gray haven]

Strategy is also a skill.

[upper mango]

I find the acorn can still help with that, it allows me to experiment a bit without suffering as much of a cost.

[leaden whale]

what can I use ambrosia for?

[gray haven]

Damage reduction, damage mitigation, and a lot of HP will typically be your best bet to get early clears when you're new to the game. That just simply allows you to make more mistakes while you're still learning the basics.

[gray haven]

Same as Nectar, but only once you've progressed a relationship past a certain point.

[leaden whale]

which is worth it?

[gray haven]

Yes.

[leaden whale]

ok, got it

[upper mango]

Any general tips on using the fists?

[gray haven]

Err.. I linked my guide for them earlier.

#h1-builds-and-combat message

There.

Be careful around armored enemies because you can't stunlock them. But abuse the stunlock on unarmored enemies.

[upper mango]

Thank you.

The range is going to be something to get used to... I keep overestimating it

[gray haven]

You'll get used to it quickly, I think.

[leaden whale]

if you have some spare time: https://youtu.be/q3aHGyV319I

[viscid notch]

I notice you’re using your Special very often for damage, it’s okay but very weak on Spear without Exploding Launcher (hammer), you picked up Flurry Jab at the start which is one of the best if not the best Spear hammer so that’s good, but you should be dashing/dash striking more often rather than standing too long in the same spot, Dashes will grant you invincibility to avoid things like arrows and relocate yourself to hit different threats, good thing to note is that Armored Archers shoot multiple arrows not just one and hitting them doesn’t stagger them unless you break the armor so be careful there, Blade Dash was also helping a bit here and there, so I personally wouldnt have swapped to a Heroic Passion Dash but that’s fine, you played quite well actually, there are a few scenarios like the Butterfly Ball room where I thought you’d take a lot more damage but you managed it pretty well, I would also say don’t be afraid to rush in, you don’t have to play aggressively but you have much better odds of staggering/killing enemies quickly given that your attack hits very quickly compared to your Special, you will get more used to enemies and their patterns through practice and experience, and you’ll get more used to the rythme of the weapons through that aswell

[leaden whale]

thanks

what about the minos fight?

[waxen wadi]

When he winds up for a swing, dash towards him so that you will be safe and then sneak a hit in. He'll jump towards you so dash towards him again to avoid it.

[leaden whale]

pro players out there, how many attempts did it take you to beat the game for the first time?

[valid shoal]

You shouldn’t worry/care too much and I am certainly no pro but I did it on my 22nd, I’ve seen people self report anywhere from 6th to 72nd

[leaden whale]

I am exactly at my 22nd atempt

and I barely touched the final boss and died

[restive portal]

Took me about 60 attempts so you're doing well

[leaden whale]

which aspect of the spear is worth my titan blood?

[grave storm]

Achilles

[leaden whale]

why

[viscid notch]

It's versatile and has a lot of strengths

[valid shoal]

The % increase is very high at higher levels

[leaden whale]

titan blood is very hard to get tho

[leaden whale]

I know nobody cares, but I just defeated meg hitless for the first time

[valid shoal]

Nice

Which character wrote the codex entries?

[leaden whale]

?

[dusty vault]

Achilles iirc

[leaden whale]

YEEESSSS

holy moly I did it

[drifting cedar]

Achilles

[leaden whale]

without using any 2nd life that is

[dusty vault]

nice

[leaden whale]

it was mostly because of this:

https://ibb.co/rwS2dsv

the double hammer plus aphrodite special = tons of dmg

[dusty vault]

charged exploding gaming

[leaden whale]

yes

bonkers

[dusty vault]

also is that epic special speed?

[leaden whale]

yes

also bonkers

[dusty vault]

beautiful build

[leaden whale]

ty

the ending was nice

[dusky relic]

Good God I've died 24 times and I keep dying to either random Chariots or Theseus & Arteus

[restive portal]

Big chariots are a pain. Big, speedy, shielded chariots can just sod right off.

[valid shoal]

When you max out your mirror does darkness become effectively useless?

[dusky relic]

I use darkness to heal

[dusty vault]

there is some cosmetic uses and one big use for ||Nyx-Chaos|| quest but yeah

outside of bonus like the +5hp with the work order or healing if you are using dark regeneration

[dusky relic]

How do I like

Get hit less

I spam my dash but in some levels the place gets swarmed

[restive portal]

Yeah eventually you'll just pile up 10's of thousands of darkness for the (darkness sink) ||Resources Director||

Learning which enemies to target first is worth thinking about. Knowing common room layouts are where to escape to helps. Obviously prioritize things like divine dash as a boon. Buy more dashes if you haven't already.

Seek out extra dashes from Hermes.

And extra dodge chance.

And most of all, learn enemy timings and patterns. They are all fairly dumb really and very predictable. Practice practice practice...

[valid shoal]

It takes a lot of getting used to but use your surroundings (walls, pillars), and run to a safe spot. Don’t spam dashes unless you have ||3 or 4 with Hermes||, learn how when and where enemies attack, they flash white when attacking but it can be interrupted if they don’t have armor.

[gray haven]

Share your victory screens in #h1-victory-boasting instead. They're spoilers here.

[leaden whale]

oh, sorry

[languid dune]

How many times do I have to talk to Artemis so I can give her the ambrosia drink?

[wicked pagoda]

What should I pick for Chiron between Chain Shot, Explosive Shot and Concentrated Volley?

[grave storm]

Conc volley

[wicked pagoda]

oh i forgot to say

i got it to level 1

if that impacts

[grave storm]

chain shot is pretty bad in general unless your first hammer is flurry shot and the other 2 are crap

[wicked pagoda]

oh i see

nah this the first hammer

what should i go for after volley?

[grave storm]

Anything that buffs the special

Though L1 Chiron is pretty weak

literally I run L1 Chiron for memes and sometimes just play it like regular bow

Or tidal dash

[heady skiff]

Hi all, I am very new so I might be asking something silly: in my last attempt, something called a duo boon appeared but the game gave me no other explanation as to what it is about. Does it explain more later?

[viscid notch]

Uhh I don't think so no

It doesn't direct explain it but you can get a later upgrade for the codex

[heady skiff]

I saw the icon was a mix of poseidon and aphrodite colors, so judging by the name is a mix of boons

Resulting in a unique one

[viscid notch]

Which shows prereqs to get Duos and Legendaries

Yea

[heady skiff]

How can I see boons in the codex?

[valid shoal]

Contractor upgrade

There you can see what the prerequisites are for each boon

[heady skiff]

Ah ok, haven't seen that one yet

Thanks 🙂

[grave storm]

yeah basically as the name implies, a duo boon can appear when you have certain boons from 2 different gods, the effects range from broken to meh

[heady skiff]

Ah cool, that makes sense. It's pretty good because it enables you to chase specific duo boons right? At least as much as possible because the god boons are random. However as far as I can tell you can still influence that somehow, maybe with the keepsakes or something

[dusty vault]

Yeah
Keepsakes/rarity bonus/know what opens a duo and what doesnt helps a lot

[heady skiff]

Yes 😄

[stone ether]

So I started like two days ago. I'm at the point where I gotta kill ||Thesius and Asterius|| just for future reference how many floors are there, what should i be Doing with my gifts primarily and how long can a complete run take

[modest storm]

furst play thrus maybe abt 25-30 minutes

gifts as in nectar ?

theres 4 floors

one more after elysium

[polar finch]

well thats in game time. rta can probably be more like 40+

[modest storm]

oh yeah try, i meant ingame time

true *

[restive portal]

My earlier runs were more in the 40+ minutes IGT and an hour in the real world. Lots of important early dialogue from god's, new things to learn etc.

[dusky relic]

Dusa is so cute btw

[drifting cedar]

True

[dusky relic]

I want a Dusa plushie now

[opal widget]

same!!

i'd also love plushies of the || cthonic companions like fidi, battie, etc. ||

[modest storm]

me too !! but the ones ive found r sooso expensive

i have this cute luttle meg pullow tho

[leaden whale]

do poison stacks the one from dionysis if i do 4 attacks will it have 4 stacks that will do x4 dmg as 1 would do and does doom from ares stack

[quaint dove]

I BEAT THE FIRST BOSS

[crystal stump]

congrats :D

[grave storm]

poison stacks to a max of 5 unless you get the Dionysus/Aphrodite duo, but if you have hangover from more than 1 source (eg from attack and dash), the new one overrides the old, so it's not recommended to do that (or take Peer Pressure)
Doom doesn't stack, but if you have Dire Misfortune, the doom hit will do more damage if you "stack" it

[quaint dove]

thx but then i died so uh does that mean i have to fight the boss again?

[crystal stump]

yes, every time you die you have to go through all the enemies and bosses again

eventually you'll get the hang of it

[quaint dove]

;-;

[crystal stump]

it can be a little tedious but its still fun and it helps you learn the controls more/get better for the other bosses

[leaden whale]

also how can you unlock hidden aspects?

[dusty vault]

check #h1-story-discussion pinned messages

[valid shoal]

What does ||boiling blood mean in the hades fight||

[grave storm]

||you receive more damage||

[stone ether]

So what does getting 100% in the game require? I recently got max % in binding of Isaac so is it gonna be easier or harder?

[grave storm]

the game doesn't track a %-count, maybe getting all steam achievements is your closest bet

the highest possible difficulty in the game is not meant to be beatable, in fact the highest difficulty that the game rewards you for isn't even a steam achievement

[bright pike]

Got this game earlier today and I'm really enjoying it so far

[drifting cedar]

Good to hear

[bright pike]

My favorite weapon is probably the Bow and Arrow

[uneven sun]

want to get "urge to sing" achievement, I already gave orpheus nectar but he wont sing after an escape attempt, any guide?

[bright pike]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe try talking more?

[uneven sun]

umm thanks but I need an exact answer

[grave storm]

it's literally talking more

[bright pike]

Oh I was right

[uneven sun]

Really? Okay thanks

[bright pike]

Nice

[uneven sun]

lol

[grave storm]

may or may not need at least 1 nectar

[bright pike]

Best I've gotten so far in the game is ||what I think is the 2nd half of the 2nd phase of the final boss||

Also I think medina did that already

[uneven sun]

I gave him like 3 or 4 nectar already

[bright pike]

Yeah

[grave storm]

That's pretty good

[bright pike]

I've been playing nonstop it's just super fun 😭

[grave storm]

the answer to most plot trigger questions is "dialogue RNG"

[uneven sun]

I already beat the main story

[uneven sun]

Ok i'll try again

[bright pike]

I mean for my 1st go at the ||final boss I presume|| it ain't bad

[uneven sun]

Really? That's great, I was killed by meg at the first attempt

[bright pike]

Somehow beat Meg 1st try

Soon died in uhh
Forgot the places name but it's the 2nd place, lava and stuff

[uneven sun]

Asphodel

[bright pike]

Right

Boss there is hydra right?

[uneven sun]

Yup

[bright pike]

Yeah I beat him 1st try then died like 5-6 rooms in on the next area

I like using the Bow and Arrows

Like it a lot more than I thought I would

[grave storm]

welcome to the bow society

[uneven sun]

Cool, I personally feel super awkward and bad at bow, my favorite is spear and fist

[bright pike]

Nice

Spear is cool just a bit weird with throwing it and calling it back for me

The dash attack for it tho

[uneven sun]

Yep the I rarely use the special, unless there is a nice hammer upgrade

[bright pike]

The special for the bow is crazy if you got the right stuff

Usually I like having the weak effect on it so I can just spray it and weaken enemies

And as for normal I just go for Artemis and get that nice damage and crit boon

[uneven sun]

Weak is great, I also like hangover by dionysus

[bright pike]

Hangover is great too

Hangover is probably my favorite dash ability, Poseidon being a close 2nd

[uneven sun]

Yeah, the cast of dionysus also nice, it's my favorite

[bright pike]

My favorite is either Artemis or Poseidon

Trying to find Zeus to try his stuff

Ares has my favorite cast ability, those huge razor blades

Iirc

[uneven sun]

I like his doom effect too

[bright pike]

Yeah it's nice

And then I go for explosive boon and hammer upgrades and oh man

I've done like 1k damage to enemies sometimes

It's crazy

[uneven sun]

Wow cool

[bright pike]

Although the slow charge does kinda hurt it but like

It's 1k damage

[drifting cedar]

Funny big number has priority ofc

[bright pike]

Yes

Also have nearly maxed out my 6 mirror of night thingamajigs

Just the Death Defiance I gotta do I think

[uneven sun]

Skelly's keepsake also add immortality

[sand oak]

whats a good build

i see yters doing insane dmg

[tired hazel]

So there is romance options in the game but I have to ask what do the 3 extra hearts mean that none of the gods (I think) have?

[dreamy tundra]

can you have 2 duo boons or can you only have 1

[tired hazel]

?

[viscid notch]

You can have as many as you want

[dreamy tundra]

[alpine ridge]

there are some duo boons that are incompatible with each other but not too many

[peak quest]

hello

i have issue someone can help me pls ? 😶

the shield of beowulf + charged shot with tempest strike from poseidon don't make my charged shoot have poseidon knockout buff 😓

[dusty vault]

name of hidden aspects are a spoiler in this channel btw
but are you sure they arent moving at all? shields have natural knockback already

[peak quest]

sorry im new i wanted someone to check if it was my game was bugged of it's me have guess the build are wrong

[viscid notch]

It should be knocking back stuff, but maybe it’s not as much as you expect it

[peak quest]

from what i can see i think they already have knockback from beowulf but there have no animation about poseidon colours effect so i dont think it workinng on

[dusty vault]

need to spoiler mark the name of the hidden aspects

[peak quest]

bcs 1 run ago i used artemis attack i had big effect of green shield area make me to able to make difference

[viscid notch]

It’s not Blue with Poseidon’s thing?

[peak quest]

yeah but i mean this time ith poseidon's i have feeling his buff are not working 😭

with artemis it worked well before

[cosmic seal]

heyo guys! im new to this game! I've got a couple of questions Icouldnt seem to find an answer on the internet

how do I unlock other weapons besides shield spear and bow? I have seen there's fists and another one too

but they dont appear on the skelly's room

also: who should I donate nectar to?

[viscid notch]

So to unlock Fists and Rail you have to unlock the Bow Shield and Spear using Keys, then the rest should open one by one everytime you come back to the House

[cosmic seal]

oooh I see now

thanks a lot!

should I unlock weapons first or do I fully unlock the mirror first?

[valid shoal]

One to each npc yoy haven’t gifted one, after that whoever

[faint harness]

I'd say weapons, long as you have mirror down to death defiance you'll probably be fine in the earlier runs

[viscid notch]

There is no set ideal order but giving each NPC their first Nectar grants you their keepsake so that's worth doing to collect all the keepsakes, some are less useful than others, so Skelly Cerberus and Asphodel NPC should give you defensive keepsakes, which can help you in rooms and bosses so it's harder to die, Olympian Gods' keepsakes allow you to manipulate builds a bit in your favor, because they guarantee that the next boon you see is from that god, so say I take Poseidon Keepsake for Tartarus, the first boon I get is Poseidon and so on.. Those are the main ones, the rest of the keepsakes are misc or very niche

Hypnos Keepsake also falls in neither category but is very good

[cosmic seal]

I see. I have donated just one nectar to athenas, just to get her dash reflect. but she doesnt always appear as my first boon. why's that?

[viscid notch]

If you are in your first runs there are certain events to introduce you to some mechanics in the game

Such as fishing or using a God's Aid etc

[cosmic seal]

wait we can fish in this game? didnt knew

[dusty vault]

You also can have a hammer start instead

[cosmic seal]

god's aid is when you charge the bar on thebottom left right?

[valid shoal]

It’s an item you’ll get soon

[viscid notch]

Yes

Poseidon will always introduce you to that no matter the keepsake you have on

[cosmic seal]

oh I have noticed hammer gives op powerups

like lifesteal on sword, doublehit on shield

[viscid notch]

And there are other scripted ones where its a Hermes start, Zeus start, hammer start etc

[cosmic seal]

I see

[viscid notch]

So yea it should work properly once you're done with all of that

But

Even if its a scripted event and say you're forced to see Poseidon first, you will still get Athena later in the biome

So it works but gets delayed a bit

So it's fine

[cosmic seal]

so things to do: gift nectar to all gods; unlock weapons, unlock mirror

whats left?

[viscid notch]

Well that should be it, try to get used to bosses/enemies/weapons when you're doing runs and just have fun ig

[cosmic seal]

aighty

ty vm for ur kindness!

[tight zealot]

How valuable is a titan blood heart?

I have an offer with the trading soul in the lounge where I can give one for 200 renovation gems

[valid shoal]

Titan blood becomes incredibly useful once you have all the weapons, as for whether to take the grade depends on how much you want the gems

[tight zealot]

Coincidentally I just walked back into the weapon room and the shield become available to examine and use titan blood on it to power it up

First weapon I can use it on

Should I save up or invest as I get it?

[valid shoal]

Use it if yoy want to use/upgrade an ||aspect||

Also it should be available for all weapons

[tight zealot]

Oh you're right

[cosmic seal]

yo guys. Ive got a diamond. I could use it to either get a fishing rod or court musician sentense to free orpheus. which one is preferable to get first in your opinion?

[valid shoal]

Both are important, I’d do rod now because I like it but you should get Orpheus soon

[dusty vault]

If you want resources get rod
If you want best boy in the house release orpheus

[cosmic seal]

what do these things do for me?

like

which resources? and what does orpheus do?

[valid shoal]

Orpheus is just a character, fishing it all the items you hold onto between runs

[dusty vault]

Depends on the area
Gems/keys/nectar/gems but better/||boss drops||
Chaos also gives darkness

[tight zealot]

Should I give nectar to the same npc twice?

I have extra but i've already given one to everyone I can so far at least

Nevermind just found out you can give them to gods/goddesses too

[gray haven]

You should give everything to Lady Aphrodite.

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[tight zealot]

Bahahaha

I just gave one to her actually

[gray haven]

Perfect.

[valid shoal]

All the %s are cumulative based on base value, right?

Like my backstab damage on my attack is 50 from the mirror 20 from ||nyx keepsake|| and another 56 from a boon then it does +126% of my base attack?

[gray haven]

Right, unless it reads base damage, which only some hammers do anyway.

[valid shoal]

I guess it’d be overpowered if it was % of each %

But it makes stuff like Artemis crits less appealing

[dusty vault]

Crits are multiplicative

[rich osprey]

and crits are 3x right?

[viscid notch]

Unless it's trippy flare

Then it's x2

[tight zealot]

How do I get more titan's blood?

I got one from clearing Tartarus but I haven't been able to get one again

[dusty vault]

Beating the first boss with each weapon gives you one
Then the final boss + after clearing first run gives you access to other way

Other than that, prophecies/trades with the broker and last area shop may sell one

[tight zealot]

Gotcha. What do you mean access to other way?

Also are there only 6 total weapons

[valid shoal]

Once you beat the game you’ll find the main source of items

[tight zealot]

Ah gotcha

[dusty vault]

Ye

Each aspects has 3 aspects more + base weapon too

[valid shoal]

Each aspect does not give bounties from bosses however

[tight zealot]

Are aspects the things you spend titan's blood on

[dusty vault]

Yup

[valid shoal]

||is the total needed 310?||

[dusty vault]

That idk

[stone ether]

So I have no clue how to gain more of the titan blood and the diamond lookin things. I can only seem to get 1 every time I kill the respective bosses with a new weapon but clearly I need a lot more

[dusty vault]

@stone ether

[stone ether]

Oh ok

[tight zealot]

Does boiling blood stack the damage boost if more than one cast crystals are in the enemy

[viscid notch]

No

Neither does Abyssal Blood

[tight zealot]

Shhh I haven't gotten there yet!

[tight zealot]

Does this similarly apply to diamonds as well?

[dusty vault]

Ye

Name of that boss is a spoiler in this channel

[heady skiff]

Ah ok, will delete my message

[tight zealot]

@heady skiff

If there is anything you are talking about that is late-game then just remember to sensor it

[dusty vault]

(channel descriptions says what to mark as spoiler)

[tight zealot]

Ah gotcha

So for the diamond should I spend it to free Orpheus?

Or save it

Eh im just gonna spend it

[dusty vault]

One diamond by beating the hydra x weapon

[icy bolt]

save orpheus

definitely do

you'll be able to unlock the other very important contractor upgrades

[cosmic seal]

what mirror specs do you guys suggest running?

[viscid notch]

@cosmic seal Check this with the few messages afterwards

[pastel tartan]

Death Defiance is a must

[celest fox]

Get death defiance, thick skin, double dash, early as possible out of the first few available mirror upgrades

Later on others become essential

Those are very necessary to survive and learn

[ionic light]

Hey what's the deal with Poseidon sword? How is it good that pulls out your cast out of the enemy body? 🤔 🤔

[valid shoal]

More casts, Artemis has a boon that does damage when a bloodstone is dislodged from an enemy

[chilly ruin]

I’d also recommend the bonus backstab damage (though can’t remember the name of it) if you like the spear. every time you use your special and recall the spear quickly, you’ll do bonus damage

[dusty vault]

normally the casts are lodged inside for 15 seconds unless you have something like quick reload from hermes

so if your cast isnt killing the enemy then you get to retrieve it asap

also a nice cast dmg bonus

[ionic light]

So basically use cast, remove from enemy, use again?

Sounds strange but ok ill try it

[steep lotus]

rinse and repeat

[dusty vault]

Yeah, thi if your cast is strong enough you mainoy wont need the dislodge
Still helps on bosses ofc

[ionic light]

But dont u want to stick your cast onto enemies and do extra damage with the mirror upgrade?

[dusty vault]

Poseidon sword is to be more focused on casts than the weapon itself
Also boiling blood doesnt help for casts

Only attack/special

[ionic light]

So u try to focus on boons for casts rather than upgrading your weapon?

[cinder tartan]

i think so

[polar finch]

if you want to. thats how the aspect was intended to be played

but other strats work

poseidon isnt a particularly good cast aspect to begin with

[cinder tartan]

achilles best cast weapon

[polar finch]

eh beo

[cinder tartan]

depends on the cast

[brazen oxide]

so I just got to the last area before the final boss for the first time

and I think I mightve kinda broken the game with how early I got there?

Zagreus is talking about ||finding persephone|| which I swear hasnt been brought up yet

[cinder tartan]

yeah the game broke

[brazen oxide]

wpgg

[cinder tartan]

or you skipped thru some text

[brazen oxide]

Nah its my

6th escape attempt?

I think

either that or my 5th

[cinder tartan]

o game broke then

[brazen oxide]

(I played the game a bit a while ago so thats why. im not completely new.)

Speaking of

Idk whether to unlock Hera or Poseidon once I unlock aspects

I only have the aris rail to unlock and then I should unlock aspects, right?

[cinder tartan]

chiron bow or achillis spear

[cinder tartan]

idk

[pastel tartan]

Yeah, some convos seem to come and go at times, for example, my run where I beat the game with the spear, I gave Hades a Nectar, but now I can't talk to him until I come back after entering tarts, so idk if I broke it or if I missed out on dialogue or what?

[polar finch]

yeah you get aspects after unlocking all weapons then doint a run

[brazen oxide]

Chiron bow is only good with levels no?

[faint umbra]

it’s not broken, ||zagreus finding out about persephone|| is revealed in a flashback, which you might not have seen yet. Either way, since it already happened, he already knows about it

[polar finch]

its okay with hangover

but hera better lvl 1

[brazen oxide]

yea I know but said flashback hasnt happened yet

[polar finch]

id prefer hera over poseidon personally

[brazen oxide]

so it does kinda come out of a left field

[pastel tartan]

Oh that reminds me

[brazen oxide]

its either I unlock poseidon and dionysus keepsake

or hera and aphro keepsake

anyways im on half hp with no DDs left

about to fight him

so

im dead

[pastel tartan]

Isn't Hera a god? I swear I haven't seen her, unless she's not in the game as anything other than an aspect

[polar finch]

uhhh hera doesn't have a keepsake

[pastel tartan]

Sorry, Goddess

[faint umbra]

that’s just how it is when you progress the game so fast :P You don’t know yet, but zagreus already does

[brazen oxide]

hera as in the weapon mate

I meant

Poseidon aspect and dio keepsake

or hera aspect and aphro keepsake

mb

shouldve clarified I suppose

[dusty vault]

why dio keepsake with poseidon sword?

[brazen oxide]

Afaik its just better on the sword than aphro

[dusty vault]

crush/phalanx are probably better
you also get to use the aspect gimmick too

[polar finch]

or just start heartbreak strike and get zeus and smouldering air

[brazen oxide]

I might just go with hera and just go crush shot

seeing as it just melts enemies

and save up to level up chiron afterwards

I mean I just got the best unlock in the game

||Fishing Rod||

sorry I meant

||Rod of Fishing*||

[cinder tartan]

bruh mirror

[brazen oxide]

wait I thought you had to beat ||hades|| to unlock ||demeter||

[valid shoal]

Nah just reach

[brazen oxide]

well damn

[celest fox]

I really like lightning phalanx on poseidon

I once even got mirage shot and bad news with it

[dusty vault]

you use stygian on poseidon sword?

[celest fox]

I think I did this time? I may be mistaken

It turned out well anyway

Oh I think it was fully loaded. Wrong legendary.

I found out the mirage shots can chain independently. Its very safe.

[tight zealot]

Is the ambrosia bottle you get from fighting the duo in world 3 worth trading or no

[cinder tartan]

depends are you close maxing a characters friendship?

[tight zealot]

I have no idea how to tell friendship level

Oh is it the hearts in the codex?

[dusty vault]

ye

[cinder tartan]

yep

[tight zealot]

No not even close for anyone. I've only gifted one mini ambrosia to each NPC to try and get all the gifts

[cinder tartan]

ok trade for what?

[tight zealot]

its too late they were the special deals that change each run and I started a new run. I'll let you know if a new run comes up

[cinder tartan]

yes sorry

ok

[modest storm]

i think itd be best to save ambrosia for later, once you can start gifting, it does run out fast

but if theres deals for titan blood and stuff like that maybe

[kind remnant]

It's only worth trading early for Titan Blood and nothing else. It's definitely worth keeping a stock later on but I traded my first 15 for titan blood and then started saving and had no regrets

[modest storm]

yesyes

[tight zealot]

Okay thanks!

Its it better to spread out titan blood or invest it all into one weapon?

I kinda wanna go all out on the shield

[modest storm]

tbh idk thats what i did, whatever weapon ur more likely to use i suppose ?

but im not sure if thats the absolute best idea, if u are looking to get the extra rewards w darker thirst and stuff

[celest fox]

There are ||hidden aspects|| that require blood in multiple weapons, then specific ones

[modest storm]

oh yeah !! that too

[celest fox]

If you want to explore the weapons, I'd suggest prioritizing that a bit

The blood you will spend really isnt much

You get a bunch through ||heat|| and prophecies

[modest storm]

yeah and trading

[celest fox]

||hidden aspects|| cost a lot more blood but are worth it imo

[kind remnant]

Invest, I started by maxing one aspect for each weapon

[tight zealot]

Gotcha

Thanks guys!

[modest storm]

np ^^

[kind remnant]

If you don't mind getting some advice I'd ask here to avoid putting it into the worst one, that's what I did lol

[tight zealot]

In terms of investing titan’s blood?

[grave storm]

Yeah, some aspects benefit more from blood investment than others

[heady skiff]

Which one would you suggest? I like to play with sword or bow

[gray haven]

Chiron requires a lot of levels to really get going. Zag Bow and Hera are pretty good even at low levels.

Hera Lv.1 with a strong build is as good as Hera Lv.5 except for boss fights. And if you do a Stygian Soul build with Trippy Flare, the level makes no difference at all.

Nemesis and Poseidon are both decent. Zag Sword is very weak even at max level.

[fervent moss]

maxing zag sword is needed ||to complete Skelly's favour|| though.

[viscid notch]

That’s true, it’s also cheap

But it’s still hot garbage

[fervent moss]

||prophesied|| hot garbo, still.

if you want to 100% the game you cant avoid it.

[heady skiff]

Poseidon seems more niche, it probably requires specific boons to be good? Nemesis looks much more straightforward

[sand oak]

theres a percentage counter ingame?

[viscid notch]

You just need a good Cast and some poms

[drifting cedar]

Exit Wounds Poseidon fun

[heady skiff]

I really like the nemesis one, it looks strong. I am new to the game so I dont know about builds a lot, but it looks like i would need a good special since i am using it a lot and something to buff maybe my critical damage?

[alpine ridge]

nemesis gets most of its damage from the attack because that's what gets crits

but a good special isn't bad, just not the focus

[neat remnant]

mainly be using specials alot with Malphon

[alpine ridge]

the go to build is usually HeartRend, the Aphro-Arty duo boon

[heady skiff]

I was thinking mainly about a curse applying special

[alpine ridge]

with fists? nah not really

[heady skiff]

That applies aoe curse, then spam attack

[alpine ridge]

most of the damage and utility from fists is the attack-dash strike infinite combo

[neat remnant]

i spam special when i have the hammer with fists

replaces it with a kick or something

i like the kick alot with athena

[alpine ridge]

the kick is a pretty good hammer yeah

[neat remnant]

yelp as long as i get the hammer with it imma be breaking my Y button on my xbox controller

[alpine ridge]

i like the kinetic launcher on Demeter, when the special is fully charged, it just sends out 5 hadoukens all at once

[viscid notch]

With Nemesis you want to get used to the rythme of Special > x2 dash strikes, your attack is what matters most for dealing damage, a very basic build is Artemis on the attack (more crits are gud), Aphrodite on your Special (mainly to apply Weak on enemies), and aiming for Heartrend to increase your crit damage on Weak foes, Strike and Lunge Chaos to increase attack and dash-strike damage, Artemis on the Dash for more dash strike damage, Hunter’s Mark Pressure points etc the rest is just accessories at this point

[heady skiff]

Wait wait! Dash-strike is a thrust, so it gets the benefits of nemesis?!

[brazen oxide]

All dash strikes get buffed by attack buffs

At least afaik

[viscid notch]

Dash strikes and thrusts are different, the Thurst is the third hit in the base sword combo when you're standing still and for optimal sword play you never wanna use that basically

[dusky relic]

What's the difference between chamber and encounter?

[steep lotus]

encounters are the ones with enemies

[restive portal]

And standard encounters are non boss / mini boss encounters.

So Chaos might give no room previews for 4 chambers, or 40% more enemies for 3 standard encounters.

You can't get 40% more enemies in Meg's fight.

[brazen oxide]

would it be worth it to just focus on farming at first instead of escaping? like unlocking the mirror fully and stuff

[alpine ridge]

sure, that's not a bad goal to have

escaping once is a good idea though

actually, you get a lot of darkness by escaping, on the subsequent runs, the final boss gives like 200+ darkness

[grave storm]

also escaping once lets you upgrade weapons a lot easier

[alpine ridge]

yep, the other kind of farming

[grave storm]

I'd say one can start trying seriously after maxing thick skin and DDs

[tight zealot]

What would you recommend for a charm to use

Im using max level lucky tooth right now

[brazen oxide]

Acorn is very good for the last 2 floors

before that either a god boon that helps ur build, athena for divine dash or hypnos for money

most likely

[tight zealot]

Whats acorn?

[brazen oxide]

eurydice's keepsake

blocks the first 3/4/5 hits from the boss of each floor

or well

hits during a boss encounter

so if lets say the mobs from the fury sisters hit you it counts as a hit for the acorn

[tight zealot]

I havent found eurydice yet

[brazen oxide]

You will soon

she's in asphodel

[frigid salmon]

y’all got any tips for the first boss?

i think i just get like

overwhelmed 😭😭

[brazen oxide]

Dodge her dashes, stay away from her when she does her spin (she has different tells for whether she'll dash after you or spin)

[tight zealot]

Slow down

[brazen oxide]

and pls dont be like me

and just run away when she starts throwing her orbs

cause I melted my hp for no reason by just face hugging her

[tight zealot]

What weapon are you using?

[alpine ridge]

you can hit the projectiles to destroy them

[brazen oxide]

true

but still

[frigid salmon]

the bow one

[tight zealot]

Gotcha

[frigid salmon]

i’ve found that’s what i’ve been best with

[brazen oxide]

makes sense

[frigid salmon]

but i dunno i’m getting like so frustrated now 😭

[tight zealot]

So just keep your distance in battle. Take time to simply focus on dodging when the black circles start coming up, or when she is doing a very hard attack

Its okay it happenns

[frigid salmon]

i’ve tried like four times now 😭

[brazen oxide]

what attempt are you on?

only 4?

[frigid salmon]

i’m not sure

[dusty vault]

Bow special works well to destroy projectiles btw

[frigid salmon]

five or six maybe

[brazen oxide]

some people are stuck on meg for like

20 runs

[frigid salmon]

oh joy

😭😭😭

[brazen oxide]

its fine

just see what you get hit by and try to adapt. if you get hit by her spin a lot

keep ur distance more

etc

I know its not that easy but yea

dont get discouraged

[frigid salmon]

yeah i’ve been better at dodging her and just like running away but she’s mean 😭

[brazen oxide]

also

if you hate meg

have fun with alecto and tisiphone

[tight zealot]

If you really hate her and just wanna beat her just bring the sheild

If you fully charge her main attack it blocks everything

[frigid salmon]

yeah i’ve been hit by like those giant ||pink thingys|| they’re like ||bolt thingys like three at a time|| that’s how she keeps getting me now

[frigid salmon]

okay thank youuuu

you guys are really sweet

[brazen oxide]

you mean the orbs she throws at you?

im kinda

so

[frigid salmon]

okay i shall not get discouraged she can eat my butt 😤😤

[brazen oxide]

Also dw the boss after this

at least imo

is way easier

and then comes the boss of elysium

[tight zealot]

Elysium easiest imo

Thats the twins right

Well not twins but

The duo

[brazen oxide]

Theseus is the major roadblock for the majority of players

at least from seeing this chat

[tight zealot]

Which one was he? ||human or boar?||

[brazen oxide]

he was for me as well

[frigid salmon]

i’m not sure there’s like these three giant pink circles on the ground and then there are pink like thingys and i take hella damage and get like stuck kinda cuz she just keeps hitting me 😭

[brazen oxide]

"boar"

hes a goddamn minotaur tf

[grave storm]

oh the floor explosions

[tight zealot]

whatever

[brazen oxide]

and theseus is the king

[grave storm]

when you see the circle, dash away

[brazen oxide]

oooh that attack

just dodge fest ur way through

[tight zealot]

yeah i swept through that battle it was the easiest

[frigid salmon]

i keep trying to and she still hits me sobs

[tight zealot]

for that don't focus on hitting meg just focus on dashing out

[frigid salmon]

i’ll probably just need more practice with it i guess

[dusty vault]

Also remember that dashing without doing any attack will give you iframes

[grave storm]

Dash attack her in a circle, then they'll mostly miss naturally

[tight zealot]

have you unlocked greater reflex?

[frigid salmon]

okay thank you

[tight zealot]

you should buy it. its the 4th ability in the mirror where you upgrade things for the purple matieral

[frigid salmon]

i don’t even know 😭 some of the things still confuse me 😭😭😭

the game has

[brazen oxide]

not having greater reflex vs having it

[frigid salmon]

so much

[brazen oxide]

is such a big difference

[tight zealot]

huge difference

[brazen oxide]

basically

[frigid salmon]

i’ve unlocked all of them except one i think

[brazen oxide]

it just gives you 2 dashes

[frigid salmon]

it might be that one’s

[brazen oxide]

instead of 1

[frigid salmon]

it’s costs like 500

[brazen oxide]

that would be second DD

[tight zealot]

oh thats second DD

[frank mountain]

here i am

[dusty vault]

Greater reflex costs 50 iirc

[frigid salmon]

ohhh then yeah i have that one at its max i think

[tight zealot]

when you dash just hit space twice

[brazen oxide]

good

[frank mountain]

i'd just like some tips for what to buy early

[brazen oxide]

space

eww

[tight zealot]

and you have a lot of iframes

[brazen oxide]

keyboard user

[tight zealot]

buy in terms of what

[frank mountain]

and also what's the best weapon

[frigid salmon]

i play on switch 😭

[frank mountain]

mirror/weapon

[brazen oxide]

best weapon is personal preference

[tight zealot]

oh

[frigid salmon]

what’s space equivalent to 😭

[dusty vault]

Whatever you are comfortably with

[brazen oxide]

but safest for a new player is probs spear, bow and shield

[tight zealot]

idk whatever your dash button is

[frank mountain]

aye fair enough

[viscid notch]

kbm supremacy

[frigid salmon]

ohhh okay yeah

[frank mountain]

i don't have any of those yet but i will

[tight zealot]

my favorite weapon is shield by far

but just make sure you try everything out first

[brazen oxide]

My favorite weapon is hera bow

and now im saving up for chiron bow

[frigid salmon]

okay i’ll just keep trying and dashing and not getting discouraged thank you guys a lot

[tight zealot]

its not a case where one won't work

[brazen oxide]

cause then I can sleep my way through runs and upgrade other things

[frank mountain]

also who should i give my nectar to when i get another one

i'm assuming they all give different thins

[tight zealot]

anyone you want

[brazen oxide]

good early keepsakes are

[fossil crescent]

whoever you like most

[brazen oxide]

Athena, Hypnos, Skelly, cerb

[frank mountain]

gave one to achilles

that's it

[tight zealot]

you'll have to give it to everyone eventually

[frank mountain]

how'd you give one to athena lmao

[tight zealot]

pro tip you can also give it to gods as well

[brazen oxide]

once her boon shows up

[tight zealot]

walk up to their power up and it promps you

[frank mountain]

like after a blessing?

ah ok

[brazen oxide]

you can click to give it to her

nah

[tight zealot]

right before it

[brazen oxide]

before taking the boon

not after

Athena is very good as a new player cause you can force divine dash

[dusty vault]

2nd area npc keepsake is good too

[brazen oxide]

which is really good when ur learning the game

[tight zealot]

How do you get image perms 😭

[frank mountain]

aight

[brazen oxide]

ye but more so for once you get to the later parts of the run

[frank mountain]

what should i spend my keys on

i bought bow and i've still got two keys

[brazen oxide]

you cant send images in this channel

[tight zealot]

Save them for all the weapons first

[brazen oxide]

mirror upgrades and the other weapons

[tight zealot]

Then invest in the mirror

[brazen oxide]

mainly weapons first aye

just cause of unlocking aspects

[frank mountain]

aight

what's an aspect

[dusty vault]

Unlocked once you unlock all weapons

[frank mountain]

k

[brazen oxide]

basically each weapon has different versions that do different things

still the same weapon but different bonuses

[dusty vault]

Send img in hosting services or orivate discord server and copy paste link

[bright gull]

I just got all the weapons and still can't access aspects, do I need to play the big gun for it to work?

[frank mountain]

oh noice

[fossil crescent]

i would at least unlock the first level on the mirror but up to you

[brazen oxide]

play 1 more run

after unlocking all of em

[bright gull]

ah k

[brazen oxide]

thick skin is pretty good to get early true

[frank mountain]

uh next question